[12:26] <PriceChild> maxamillion: i just stumbled on your automatix in ubuntu by default comment :P
[12:27] <maxamillion> lol, yeah ... we posted at almost the exact same time because when i clicked "reply" yours wasn't there
[12:27] <PriceChild> +1 :)
[12:27] <PriceChild> just merged the threads now
[12:28] <maxamillion> arnieboy?
[12:28] <nalioth> where is this blog?
[12:28] <PriceChild> nalioth: pricechild.co.uk
[12:29] <PriceChild> it appears on planet.ubuntu.com with forum summaries each week
[12:29] <PriceChild> and I've also got a spot on beryl's planet :P
[12:29] <maxamillion> nice
[12:29] <PriceChild> maxamillion: he's the author of automatix
[12:29] <maxamillion> lol
[12:29] <PriceChild> maxamillion: you must have heard about "the automatix wars"?
[12:30] <maxamillion> no, but they are slowly starting to look like gnome v kde wars
[12:30] <PriceChild> maxamillion: it kinda ripped the forums apart.... not that I pretend to know much about what went on at all
[12:31] <maxamillion> bleh ... automatix is alright, it should be offered in the repos but not default
[12:32] <nalioth> maxamillion: no, it shouldn't.
[12:32] <PriceChild> hehehe :)
[12:32] <maxamillion> PriceChild: oh, so ... what's with all the hype around sabayon or whatever?
[12:32] <PriceChild> watch your step maxamillion 
[12:32] <PriceChild> maxamillion: not a clue, never used it personally... might download it on tuesday... but it has beryl as standard, and that's why beryl have made it their official distro
[12:33] <maxamillion> i actually don't care .... only reason i know that software exists is because i have seen threads about it on the forums and i went to read about it
[12:33] <nalioth> please do not let the dutchman catch you talking about autocrapix in here
[12:33] <maxamillion> nalioth: lol, fair enough
[12:33] <nalioth> PriceChild: your blog isn't acting right, i can't visit older pages
[12:34] <PriceChild> nalioth: hmm odd... how do you mean?
[12:34] <PriceChild> doesn't the scroll thing work for you?
[12:34] <PriceChild> it needs javascript
[12:34] <PriceChild> (i think)
[12:35] <nalioth> the "older" button isn't doing anything
[12:35] <PriceChild> works fine for me...
[12:35] <PriceChild> i'll disable the fancy scrollbar for you
[12:36] <Hawkwind> nalioth: It's working here for me as well
[12:36] <nalioth> nah, i've already gone on
[12:36] <nalioth> not seeing an automatix post
[12:37] <PriceChild> nalioth: we were talking about on the forums :P
[12:37] <nalioth> ah, 
[02:23] <PriceChild> ping maxamillion 
[02:24] <maxamillion> PriceChild: pong
[02:24] <PriceChild> maxamillion: check this log out grrrrrrr
[02:25] <maxamillion> ooo, link me!!! :)
[02:25] <maxamillion> .... errr, that sounded bad
[02:25] <PriceChild> :)
[02:48] <somerville32> gnomefreak, maxamillion: Thats not true. 2.6 dropped a lot of old hardware support. 
[02:50] <maxamillion> somerville32: yeah, i know ... learned the hard way ;)
[03:48] <somerville32> seveas: ping
[03:48] <somerville32> @now amsterdamn
[03:48] <somerville32> @now where seveas lives
[03:48] <somerville32> @ Amsterdam 
[03:48] <somerville32> gah
[03:48] <somerville32> @now amserdam
[03:49] <PriceChild> somerville32: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[03:49] <somerville32> @now amsterdam
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: January 07 2007, 03:49:31 - Next meeting: Ubuntu New User's Network in 15 hours 10 minutes
[03:49] <PriceChild> 3:50 am
[03:49] <PriceChild> lol there you go
[03:50] <somerville32> We need more ops in -offtopic
[03:50] <PriceChild> :P
[03:51] <PriceChild> somerville32: whoa! - just read yipe's comments
[03:51] <nalioth> why more ops?
[03:51] <somerville32> Because -offtopic is out of control almost all the time
 somerville32, shut up and go away, you're not an op, you're just annoying
[03:54] <PriceChild> elkbuntu had a problem or two earlier in -offtopic earlier today (I think probably yesterday for him/her)
[03:55] <elkbuntu> yeah, he's a resident minor troll
[03:55] <somerville32> He talking about how much he wanted to have a girlfriend and kiss them and hold them and crap
[03:55] <somerville32> I asked him to stop
[03:56] <PriceChild> it got a little worse than that somerville32 
[03:56] <somerville32> Yeah
[03:56] <somerville32> They started talking about anal intercourse
[03:56] <somerville32> And if yipe said shutup to Seveas or someone, yipe would have been kbed by now
[03:57] <somerville32> I think he should be muted for a little while as this is not the first time I've had to steer the direction of the discussion in the opposite direction with yipe.
[03:57] <elkbuntu> somerville32, i know, but that would involve two hours of crap in here
[03:57] <elkbuntu> and with the new rules you incited, i wouldnt be able to ban him from here, someone else here would have to
[03:58] <elkbuntu> you wouldnt be able to act either
[03:59] <somerville32> This is different though because he attacked me after I engaged
[03:59] <somerville32> If he randomly insulted me, then it would be necessary to ask someone else to review the case.
[03:59] <somerville32> If a police officer pulls you over and gives you a warning and you tell them "Oh just shut up and go away, I wasn't speeding."
[03:59] <somerville32> Do you think things would escalate?
[04:00] <elkbuntu> somerville32, wrong. if i was to kb him from offtopic, he'd come in here and bitch and howl for a few hours, until one of the other ops had time to deal with him, as neither you nor i, as instigator and banning op, would only be able to speak/act to defend ourselves
[04:01] <somerville32> Ah, that business.
[04:01] <elkbuntu> this is the situation your whinging the other week has put us in. enjoy it.
[04:01] <elkbuntu> things worked perfectly fine before
[04:01] <somerville32> The new rule (which I didn't propose nor discuss with anyone since I wasn't at the meeting)  isn't permission to flood this channel with crap
[04:02] <nalioth> somerville32: do you know what "whinging" is ?
[04:02] <somerville32> protesting?
[04:03] <elkbuntu> in a 'but why' fashion
[04:03] <nalioth> somerville32: 'whinging' is the way Australians say "whining"
[04:03] <elkbuntu> yeah, we added a 'g'
[04:04] <somerville32> It's too late now but I don't think anything that happened last moth has anything to do with what just happened
[04:05] <elkbuntu> somerville32, no, but it affects how we get to deal with it
[04:05] <somerville32> Ok, lets "pretend here" that you did mute him.
[04:06] <somerville32> Lets say he wanted to complain
[04:06] <somerville32> He comes in here and states his complaint.
[04:06] <somerville32> If he spams/trolls then he gets the boot
[04:06] <somerville32> If there is no one here to deal with the issue, then he'll wait
[04:07] <somerville32> However, it was explicitly stated that we CAN defend ourselves but it would be best if we let another op handle it to make the process more transparent and to avoid unfairness
[04:08] <somerville32> What came about from my "whining" was a more transparent process and more accountability for op actions.
[04:10] <somerville32> We also examined how we were dealing with things - it was noted that we were too easy to ban people and now we've started using other methods to deal with instigators.
[04:10] <elkbuntu> no, it's created a channel where we cannot talk openly without situations that are sensitive, and we have to second-guess and jump through hoops
[04:10] <elkbuntu> things. worked. fine. before
[04:11] <somerville32> I disagree.
[04:11] <somerville32> But oh well
[04:11] <elkbuntu> how long have you been in a mod/op role?
[04:11] <elkbuntu> not just with ubuntu
[04:11] <somerville32> Few years
[04:12] <nalioth> mod/op with a CoC, is what elkbuntu meant
[04:12] <elkbuntu> nalioth, yes
[04:12] <somerville32> Few years
[04:12] <nalioth> ##php and #debian ops/mods are terrors
[04:13] <elkbuntu> i've been in mod/op roles with community behaviour 'policies' for 7 years, somerville32. you dont get *anywhere*
[04:13] <elkbuntu> you dont go ranting and want people banned for saying shut up, that's what ##php and #debian ops do, not here, not in other places i've mod/op'd
[04:14] <somerville32> 1. I didn't ask for him to be banned
 And if yipe said shutup to Seveas or someone, yipe would have been kbed by now
[04:14] <somerville32> Right
[04:14] <elkbuntu> a rose by any other name
[04:14] <somerville32> I said that to emphasis that I felt that action was unduly being delayed
[04:15] <elkbuntu> what he is doing in the channel is simply being himself
[04:15] <elkbuntu> he's an 'emo' whiny lonely kid. this is the internet. those two things are not mutually exclusive
[04:15] <elkbuntu> emo whiny lonely kids are allowed to use ubuntu
[04:16] <somerville32> Sexuality is not an accepted topic of discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:16] <elkbuntu> people talk about girlfriends allt he time
[04:16] <somerville32> And thats fine
[04:17] <elkbuntu> but?
[04:18] <somerville32> People don't want to hear him talk about how he wants to have a girlfriend and how he wishes this imaginary girl and himself could engage in certain risque activities
[04:19] <somerville32> And then they started to talk about anal intercourse
[04:19] <somerville32> Thats when I tried to redirect the discussion to something more acceptable
[04:19] <elkbuntu> somerville32, the butt sex where the 'butt' was a typo of 'but'
[04:19] <somerville32> Thats when he attacked me personally and a mute was necessary. 
[04:21] <elkbuntu> there's personal attacks of various grades 24/7 in that channel, most extremely minor like 'shut up'. we're adults, we can ignore and get over this sort of taunt. if we were to mute/ban/kick for ever incident, we'd be worse than ##php and #debian.
[04:22] <elkbuntu> you have no special rank in the channel anyway, why should telling *you* to shut up be any different to someone telling yipe himself to shut up
[04:22] <elkbuntu> (which happens about a thousand times a day)
[04:23] <somerville32> There is a difference between telling a friend to shutup and attacking someone
[04:23] <somerville32> the goal of the mute would be to demonstrate that the behaviour he had been exhibiting was inappropriate.
[04:24] <elkbuntu> the mute would have achieved nothing of the sort
[04:24] <somerville32> Could you elaborate on why you feel that would be inappropriate?
[04:25] <elkbuntu> because it would only *amplify* his behaviour
[04:25] <nalioth> do you know yipe, somerville32 ?
[04:25] <somerville32> nalioth: Just from what I've seen in the channel and he has demonstrated trollish tendencies as outlined in Matthew's guide to trolls.
[04:26] <somerville32> elkbuntu: How so?
[04:26] <elkbuntu> somerville32, because he'd come in here, and make the same arguements im making, but in a less coherant, and louder fashion
[04:26] <nalioth> "Matthews guide to trolls" ? URL ?
[04:26] <somerville32> PriceChild, ping
[04:26] <PriceChild> hi somerville32 
[04:26] <somerville32> elkbuntu: And what is your argument exactly?
[04:26] <elkbuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1032104&postcount=2
[04:27] <somerville32> :] 
[04:27] <elkbuntu> somerville32, that you're oversensitive, and easily insulted and think that insults against you are worse than insults against any normal channel user
[04:29] <somerville32> elkbuntu: You're saying that yipe shouldn't be reprimanded _because_ I'm oversensitive to insults? (disregarding the latter comment as it isn't true)
[04:29] <elkbuntu> {u,ku,xu}buntu-*  channels arent hippy love channels. they are channels were we're allowed to act like normal people. normal people disagree. normal people debate. normal people do occasionally tell other to shut up.
[04:30] <elkbuntu> c'est la vie
[04:30] <somerville32> Right so lets just stop right here because we're not going to resolve anything and I don't want to compromise our relationship by arguing.
[06:36] <hybrid> OH NOES Jucato !!!
[06:36] <Jucato> hi hybrid! :)
[06:37] <hybrid> how goes it Jucato ?
[06:37] <somerville32> moo
[06:37] <Jucato> doing fine... about to take an afternoon nap when you buzzed :P
[06:37] <hybrid> ah sorry
[06:37] <Jucato> heh no apologies. it's ok. :)
[06:38] <Jucato> heh just a bit tired... slept at 3am... couldn't actually get decent sleep because of mosquitos... then woke up at 7am :)
[06:38] <hybrid> yuk
[06:39] <somerville32> mosquitoes?
[06:39] <hybrid> sleep is over rated
[06:39] <somerville32> All our mosquitoes are dead
[06:39] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:39] <Jucato> some of them had the unfortunate fate of dying when I rolled over them :P
[06:40] <somerville32> Thats... disgusting.
[06:40] <somerville32> You have mosquitoes in your room and in your bed?
[06:40] <somerville32> Where do you live - in the mountains?
[06:40] <Jucato> doesn't bother me... I was asleep :)
[06:40] <Jucato> tropical country
[06:42] <nalioth> :)
[06:42] <somerville32> Oh right, I'm on IRC.
[06:42] <somerville32> Sorry
[06:52] <DBO> in the name of killing mosquitoes, all blood must be banished
[06:57] <elkbuntu> eep. who's bringing the mozzies?
[06:57] <Jucato> they're following me around...
[06:58] <Jucato> thanks y'all :)
[06:59] <Jucato> are those the lamp-like things that fries mozzies when they get close?
[06:59] <DBO> no food... no prey =)
[06:59] <Jucato> lol
[06:59] <Jucato> no blood... no Jucato :)
[06:59] <Jucato> hm.. sounds good
[07:00] <DBO> thats only a minor oversite
[07:00] <Jucato> heh, but does sound good :)
[07:02] <nalioth> yes, with the great sizzling sounds and bright flashes :D
[07:03] <Jucato> for some odd reason, mine didn't work last night...
[07:33] <nalioth> !flash
[07:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:22] <ubotu> In ubotu, somerville32 said: no, revu is <reply> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU and http://revu.tauware.de/
[09:22] <somerville32> hmm...
[09:22] <somerville32> %whoami
[09:22] <ubotu> somerville32
[09:22] <somerville32> %editors
[09:22] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul
[09:22] <somerville32> seveas: You forgot to re-add me : P
[10:12] <gnomefreak> what is the command to turn umode +i off (if thats the one that hides channels your in?)
[10:13] <somerville32>  /mode gnomefreak -i
[10:14] <gnomefreak> somerville32: /whois gnomefreak   how many channels do you see?
[10:15] <somerville32> You're in #ubuntu-xgl and I
[10:15] <somerville32> 'm not
[10:15] <somerville32> so it worked.
[10:15] <gnomefreak> thats not the right command
[10:15] <gnomefreak> it only shows 18
[10:16] <somerville32> If you're in an invisible channel
[10:16] <somerville32> You'll have to change the mode on the channel
[10:17] <gnomefreak> i do whois and it shows all 20
[10:18] <gnomefreak> its not showing #ubuntu-nun nor #ubuntu-mozillateam
[10:18] <gnomefreak> but it does for me
[10:20] <somerville32> Both channels are secret channels
[10:20] <somerville32> ie. +s
[10:20] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:33] <Seveas> somerville32, muha
[12:09] <Seveas> somerville32, I've just read the backlog in here
[12:09] <Seveas> somerville32, may I suggest that you step back a bit and see how we do things before trying to start a revolution?
[12:09] <somerville32> Seveas: I think that would be a good idea.
[01:49] <elkbuntu> Seveas, wtf was with me being opped and deopped before?
[01:50] <Seveas> hobbsee was having fun
[01:50] <Seveas> or ompaul
[01:50] <Hobbsee> wasnt me
 I'm in Australia, obviously... why else would the Australian's be trying to hard to troll me? :-) <-- gee i wonder what this is about
[03:15] <Hobbsee> somerville32: you do know that you should expect to be insulted as an op, etc, and cop more crap than anyone else, dont you?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> somerville32: and that getting people to the point of hating your guts is bad
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mainly because it's very hard to stop them
[03:19] <geoffb> uh, apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm having a wierd problem with an #ubuntu* channel, can I have some help with it pls?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> !ask
[03:20] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:21] <geoffb> ok, sorry, a bit nervous about it all right now. it's taken me 20 minutes to figure this out... as far as I can tell, I've been kicked/banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for saying "geoffb: irc has ad breaks?"... I can't rejoin the channel in any case
[03:21] <geoffb> did I break an unwritten rule with that or something?
[03:22] <Seveas> geoffb, you were given an IRC break ;)
[03:23] <geoffb> uh... <tap><tap> anyone here? is this thing on?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no
[03:24] <geoffb> Hobbsee: ?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no, this thing is not on :P
[03:24] <geoffb> lol
[03:25] <geoffb> so no idea about the kick/ban then huh?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> you got unbanned again
[03:25] <Hobbsee> [01:03]  *** Seveas removes the ban on *!*@ppp244-69.static.internode.on.net.
[03:26] <geoffb> well, removing a ban doesn't really matter... what was it that I did to get banned in the first place?
[03:28] <mc44> geoffb: the ban was removed right after it was put on. Can you still not join the channel?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> a delayed ban for excess flooding last night, would be a start, imo..
[03:28] <Hobbsee> but i didnt set it
[03:29] <geoffb> mc44: no, I cannot.
[03:29] <mc44> Seveas: ^
[03:29] <geoffb> Hobbsee: ? flood protection is 'on' here, I didn't flood, unless freenode is more sensitive to it than others?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> geoffb: i believe it was in -au
[03:31] <geoffb> ohhhh, ok, you're probably on about that thing where one of the ops got upset about a bunch of us trying to deal with a potential suicide case in channel... no worries...
[03:31] <DBO> IRC is a bad place to deal with potential suicide cases
[03:31] <geoffb> I *thought* that the most important thing was to help out the person in trouble, I guess I got that wrong.
[03:31] <Seveas> geoffb, there are no bans on you so you can join. If you cannot, then that's gods sign that you should not try to join
[03:32] <DBO> =P
[03:32] <Seveas> geoffb, and please don't reiterate old discussions
[03:32] <geoffb> DBO: you're right, sometimes you've just gotta do whatever you can!
[03:32] <Seveas> geoffb, this channels is for operator matters. So there's nothing for you to do in here
[03:32] <DBO> geoffb, we can take this elsewhere, because this isn't the place (PM is fine), but the right solution would have been to call the local authorities if you really thought it was honest
[03:33] <DBO> PM me your response if you wish to continue =)
[03:34] <geoffb> no, sorry... I was just looking for help with the ban, if that can't be fixed, that's no worries... thanks all y'all for your help, sorry to bother ya :-)
[03:34] <DBO> elkbuntu, sorry im not really into pokemon
[03:35] <elkbuntu> DBO, if he mentions me in PM, let me know
[03:36] <Jucato> pokmon...
[03:36] <elkbuntu> apparantly my destruction is his life goal now
[03:37] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, im on his /ignore list now :D
[03:37] <PriceChild> damn!
[03:37] <elkbuntu> i kept speaking in the channel i 'followed' him into
[03:37] <DBO> elkbuntu, what did you do to him?
[03:39] <elkbuntu> DBO, someone pasted a private conversation of said suicide attempter into -au, i told said person it was a bad idea, geoff went ballistic, crapped on about how i was evil and flexing op evilness, pm'd me that my destruction is his new life goal, then i spoke in offtopic, not realising i was replying to him
[03:41] <DBO> elkbuntu, you ARE evil, we all know this
[03:42] <elkbuntu> yep, so evil i even restrained from banning him
[03:42] <DBO> taking care of suicide on IRC is like trying to diffuse a bomb while blindfolded
[03:42] <elkbuntu> s/restrained/refrained/
[03:43] <mc44> DBO: with a hammer
[03:45] <mc44> DBO: cant touch this
[03:45] <Seveas> STOP
[03:45] <Seveas> Hammer Time
[03:47] <DBO> we're all going to hell it seems
[03:47] <DBO> or at least, if my grandfather (rest his soul) is to be believed...
[03:47] <DBO> as MC Hammer is one of the many forms of the devils music
[03:47] <mc44> Seveas: http://thefunniest.info/top.html number 4 :)
[03:48] <Seveas> mc44, I know
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !meeting
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <Seveas> there are many more
[04:25] <somerville32> Hobbsee|NotHere, People... hate me?
[05:09] <Seveas> somerville32, probably
[05:09] <somerville32> Yeah, lol, probably
[05:14] <somerville32> @lart 28 somerville32
[06:22] <jenda> http://photos-453.ak.facebook.com/ip006/v20/144/123/11759/n11759_30488453_3716.jpg
[06:42] <jenda> Just why does that sound like Ubuntu's t1ts?
[06:44] <PriceChild> jenda: tut tut
[09:17] <nalioth> who in the hell keeps removing the goddamned factoids?
[09:18] <PriceChild> !-xincludes
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xincludes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <maxamillion> hiya PriceChild 
[09:20] <PriceChild> hey  maxamillion 
[09:20] <PriceChild> so doesn't that mean that xincludes didn't exist ever?
[09:20] <nalioth> it existed, i put it in.
[09:20] <PriceChild> well yeah lol
[09:24] <nalioth> !xincludes is <reply> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[09:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that, nalioth
[10:30] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Swig0FreedomMilk said: ubotu, what is your favorite color?
[10:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, nickspoon said: ubotu, what is the meaning of life?
[12:19] <nalioth> hi ompaul 
[12:19] <ompaul> hi nalioth 
[12:20] <gnomefreak> hello
[12:20] <ompaul> hiya john
[12:23] <gnomefreak> someone type ping gnomefreak please i want to see if i got the new version hacked right
[12:23] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak ping
[12:23] <gnomefreak> even
[12:24] <ompaul> gnomefreak ping
[12:24] <ompaul> is that what you want
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yeah
[12:24] <gnomefreak> but it didnt work
[12:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:24] <gnomefreak> guess that means i got work to do tomorrow like i wasnt busy enough :(
[12:25] <ompaul> k