[12:16] <Lure> fdoving: ;-)
[12:19] <MidMark> Bug #78374
[12:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78374 in kde-guidance "user password is not read every time you open an user, results in password overwritten" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78374
[12:25] <nixternal> argh, the daily-live installer also crashes :(
[12:25] <MidMark> guys is there a plan or a date for solving the data loss bug for removable device?
[12:25] <nixternal> why don't you want me installing feisty :\
[12:26] <fdoving> nixternal: they know you'll find more bugs.. makes more work :)
[12:26] <nixternal> seems like it :)
[12:42] <fdoving> nite.
[12:45] <Lure> fdoving: nite
[01:39] <nixternal> anyone seen a split screen (1/2 blue/gray, the other half pink) when doing an apt-get upgrade recently with Feisty?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nice!  :D
[03:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ty
[03:13] <Hobbsee> awww
[03:52] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell
[04:00] <nixternal> crimsun: i take it the latest 2.6.20.5 kernel didn't get the sound fixes as well for conexant drivers
[04:03] <crimsun> nixternal: no, it requires a manual addition of one file and fairly invasive changes to two others
[04:03] <crimsun> you probably weren't reading when I said that
[04:03] <nixternal> sure i was
[04:03] <nixternal> or maybe not
[04:04] <crimsun> I'll try to cross-port them this week
[04:04] <nixternal> cool
[04:04] <crimsun> man, it sure would be nice if people helped.
[04:04] <nixternal> for the time being i have plugged in amplified speakers :)
[04:04] <crimsun> it sucks having to triage an entire subsystem by myself.
[04:04] <nixternal> well, if i knew wth i was doing with sound stuff i would help
[04:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You here?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yep :)
[04:39] <manchicken> How long is the meeting going to be.
[04:39] <manchicken> ?
[04:40] <manchicken> IIRC, 2200UTC is 1600CST...
[04:40] <manchicken> I'll still be at work at that time.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: not sure - couple of hours, maybe
[04:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: reckon you can irc from work?  :P
[04:40] <manchicken> I'm thinking of working from home tomorrow though.
[04:40] <nixternal> manchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu?action=show#head-3eaefbc2eac3713873d872f82862c5f675244eee
[04:40] <nixternal> ;)
[04:40] <manchicken> I can IRC from work, but I'd miss the time from the trip home.
[04:40] <nixternal> yay for short header links
[04:41] <manchicken> heh
[04:41] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you could always leave late :P
[04:41] <manchicken> SWEET!!!!
[04:41] <manchicken> That's awesome.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's nice to see changes made.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:41] <Hobbsee> that guidance isnt in kubuntu yet though
[04:41] <nixternal> Hobbsee: leaving late is not an issue when working in the City of Chicago, it is the traffic that is the issue, which means in order to not fight rush hour, you leave work at 3pm (early) or 7pm (late)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true.....
[04:42] <nixternal> oh wait, i forgot, i am, but i take the train ;)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> same in most countries, i think
[04:42] <manchicken> I'm going to be moving to Bourbonnais here soon.
[04:42] <nixternal> 1 mile walk/drive to the station
[04:42] <manchicken> I'll be taking Metra to and from work.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: nice :)
[04:42] <nixternal> then i hop on the good ol' red and brown line
[04:42] <manchicken> nixternal: Where you stay?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'd suggest going home late, and taking something into the office for dinner, etc
[04:42] <nixternal> bloomingdale
[04:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'm hoping the meeting will bring lots of interesting things
[04:43] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I think I might just work from home tomorrow.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> that works too :)
[04:43] <manchicken> I'm hoping that there will be smaller changes that are needed that will make big differences.
[04:43] <manchicken> This software-properties proggy will be nice to port over, but I'm concerned it might not make code freeze.
[04:45] <nixternal> manchicken: usability wise the tabs in system settings are great!
[04:45] <Hobbsee> manchicken: when's code freeze?  feature freeze?
[04:45] <nixternal> i will admit that i did not notice the advanced portions at first with the Edgy layout
[04:45] <nixternal> for Herd2? it is like soon/now i believe
[04:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, right.  do it for herd 3 then
[04:46] <Hobbsee> there are 6 herds - plenty of time
[04:46] <nixternal> Hobbsee: kaudiocreator and kscd are being removed I take it?
[04:46] <manchicken> I thought it was 2007.02.08
[04:47] <manchicken> Riddell said that was freeze date, ready or not.
[04:47] <manchicken> Though I may have misunderstood.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: dunno, are they?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: oh yeah, feature freeze. that just means "get a section of the code in, it doesnt have to work yet"
[04:48] <nixternal> it is Feb 8 for feature freeze
[04:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: submit semi working code, then keep fixing it as fast as you can :)
[04:49] <manchicken> This software-properties work is going to need some work.  heh.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> manchicken: hehe.  i'm glad that you're doing it :)
[04:49] <manchicken> heh
[04:49] <manchicken> I'm going to separate the bloody backend from the front.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mind you, as for why i want a menu box to say "it's done" giving me 2 boxes to click out of, i'm not sure.  change the text of the first menu box, and make the second "done" one vanish
[04:51] <manchicken> The Qt port is first ^_^
[04:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:51] <Hobbsee> that's a bug in the gnoem one :P
[04:52] <manchicken> nixternal: You know where there's a changelog?  I want to show off to my dad ;)
[04:54] <nixternal> hehe
[04:54] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com   and locate the feisty-changes one, it will be somewhere in there
[04:58] <nixternal> what package is system-settings part of?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> kde-systemsettings, iirc
[04:59] <Hobbsee> apt-cache showsrc system-settings
[05:04] <nixternal> manchicken: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/?rev=619933&view=rev
[05:04] <nixternal> errr
[05:04] <nixternal> ya that's it
[05:08] <manchicken> Sweet.
[07:31] <highvoltage> Riddell: ping
[11:12] <Tonio__> hi
[11:12] <Tonio__> ;)
[11:13] <crimsun> wb
[11:14] <raphink> salut Tonio__
[11:14] <raphink> hi crimsun
[11:15] <Tonio__> yo raphink, banan !!!!!
[11:15] <raphink> bananier, bon sak!
[11:16] <Tonio__> hehe, merde il connaissait la suite ;)
[11:16] <Tonio__> how are you ?
[11:16] <raphink> goude sankiou
[11:17] <raphink> testing svn-buildpackage
[11:17] <crimsun> hi raphink
[11:17] <raphink> happy new year crimsun
[11:17] <Tonio_> hello crimsun
[11:17] <raphink> or api nouillre :)
[11:17] <crimsun> & you
[11:18] <raphink> :)
[11:19] <raphink> anyone uses svn-buildpackage here?
[11:36] <Riddell> highvoltage: pong
[11:39] <raphink> anyone knows how to build a source package with svn-buildpackage?
[11:39] <raphink> -S doesn't seem to be taken in consideration by svn-buildpackage
[11:44] <highvoltage> Riddell: do you know who maintains kubuntu.org?
[11:44] <Riddell> highvoltage: me
[11:45] <highvoltage> Riddell: great. is it possible to add more mirrors to download instructions?
[11:46] <Riddell> highvoltage: mirrors should be in launchpad
[11:46] <Riddell> then I have a script somewhere to update automatically
[11:46] <highvoltage> Riddell: ah, ok. hmmm... I see the mirrors are listed in http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[11:47] <highvoltage> Riddell: Znarl asked me earlier why it only links to cdimage.ubuntu.com, but I see he was mistaken
[11:49] <Riddell> the download page is generated from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[11:49] <Tonio_> hello Riddell
[11:50] <highvoltage> Riddell: ok, thanks. I'll just point Znarl to the downloads page if he asks again :)
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: since II've not been there for a month, can you make me a short resume of kubuntu's todo work and priorities ?
[11:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: update kmplayer
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: otherwise I'm working on update tool this week
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also fix a few things in gtk-qt and systemsettings, desktop files etc....
[11:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: you have multimedia simplification and samba fixing assigned to you
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know for samba, multimedia is about finished
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: also you have getting upstream to fix kwin-style-crystal on your todo
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: done this morning
[11:52] <Riddell> oh?
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: my todo is still there, I was just talking about the things I've missed last month :)
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've send the fix upstream, I don't have a package right now, I'm waiting for the response
[11:53] <Riddell> perfect
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm starting, let's go !
[11:54] <Tonio_> first is to finish multimedia spec and kmplauer
[11:55] <Tonio_> and getting jabbin reviewed for the sip spec
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: no freeze at the moment afaik right ?
[11:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer uploaded
[12:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: your friends openwengo together with KDE at http://www.kde-france.org/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,56/id,solutions_linux_2007/
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[12:43] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee, might be an idea to send a reminder to kubuntu-devel about the meeting incase there's confusion
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  i've jsut gotten home from a horrible shift at work
[12:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at the supermarket?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when my boss is in a *mega* bitchy mood....argh...horrible....
[12:47] <Riddell> you have people below you?  does that mean you're a boss too?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> which made everyone else mega-stressed, etc
[12:47] <Hobbsee> no, i'm not
[12:47] <Hobbsee> well, not usually
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[12:50] <Riddell> you're our boss
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *puts boss hat on* - what are we goign to do about this removable media data loss bug?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whenever i act as the boss, i get into trouble :P  so i try not to act as boss...much...
[12:51] <hunger> Hobbsee: *My* boss would have said "what are *you* going to do about" ;-)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe :)
[12:52] <Riddell> which removable media data loss bug?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hunger: well, i cant code the stuff, so Riddell or someone else will have to fix it - the "me" part of it might be finding someone to code that fix :P
[12:52] <hunger> Hobbsee: Of course we all got that you actually meant that;-)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bug 61946
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[12:53] <Hobbsee> which is in feisty as well, presumably
[12:55] <Riddell> is there an upstream bug?
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe indeed
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, as long as wengo network is not a real sip one.... :)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's a side effect of moving to dbus for it.  quite probably
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just surprised wengo and kde look close; since wengo isn't a real kde app and not really an open one
[12:57] <Hobbsee> jdong: poke
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: someone from wengo got on the gnome foundation board
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> hunger: so you'll code us the fix, right?  :P
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nope. I'm trying to code something else right now.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hunger: awww :p
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hunger: what are you working on?
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: And that is with me being on vacation:-(
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ouch :(
[01:03] <Hobbsee> what's vacation?
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: Doing some demos for decibel.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[01:04] <hunger> Hobbsee: And "improving" stuff I do not have time for at work.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:09] <Hobbsee> seaLne: likely :P
[01:11] <Jucato> wow. didn't realize the meeting is just 10 hours away :)
[01:11] <seaLne> getting excited? :)
[01:12] <Jucato> no. setting my alarm clock :)
[01:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you e-mail the people who have tried to join kubuntu-members?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yay :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not yet.  i need to figure out how best to do that
[01:13] <jsgotangco> ahh i miss those meetings that make me crazy that I'm living in +8 timezone
[01:13] <jsgotangco> NOT
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh wait, the people who are trying to join, or hte people already there?
[01:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the ones who have tried to join but aren't in
[01:13] <Jucato> jsgotangco: lovely, ain't it? :)
[01:14] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+members  the proposed members
[01:14] <jsgotangco> i dont miss it one bit
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not an admin of the team
[01:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee hey :)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!!!!
[01:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee I'll be there toonight at the meeting fyi
[01:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you can still see that page though?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd probably decline them from within LP with a message about how to apply for membership
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: mhb, iirc
[01:21] <Jucato> ah ok. he didn't add it to the agenda...
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds like a list of bluetooht people would be a good thing to get at the meeting tomorrow :)
[01:24] <gnomefreak> tomorrow? you mean todays meeting?
[01:24] <Jucato> tomorrow for Hobbsee and me :)
[01:25] <gnomefreak> ah good point its late afternoon there :(
[01:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: meeting may not be the best place for that, just on the mailing list would have more potential people
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.....
[01:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah.  s/tomorrow/today
[01:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: probably best to refer to "the meeting" rather than "the meeting <insert time here>" :P
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:29] <Riddell> the meeting in 9.5 hours
[01:30] <Jucato> that works too :)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> argh, i want sleep first :P
[01:43] <pinheiro> back
[01:43] <Jucato> moin pinheiro!
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hey pinheiro!
[01:45] <pinheiro> heya
[01:46] <pinheiro> meeting?
[01:46] <Jucato> topic
[01:47] <pinheiro> so its today?
[01:47] <pinheiro> 22.00
[01:47] <Jucato> depends on which timezone, but basically, yes :)
[01:47] <pinheiro> greenich time
[01:47] <pinheiro> my time
[01:48] <Jucato> oooh :)
[01:48] <Jucato> right in the middle of it all
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: would you like have a look on kchmviewer on ppc?
[01:49] <Riddell> freeflying: not today I'm afraid, I'm in feature mode not bug mode
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what feature?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> freeflying: what's wrong with it?
[01:50] <freeflying> Hobbsee: it keep crashing from dapper on ppc
[01:50] <freeflying> Hobbsee: but the same version works fine in sid
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dist upgrade tool
[01:51] <pinheiro> will be there
[01:51] <freeflying> Riddell: you've add im-switch to language-selector-qt?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ah
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which?
[01:52] <Jucato> the one about #kubuntu
[01:52] <Hobbsee> oh, the one from ages ago...
[01:52] <Jucato> but reserve your talk for llater :)
[01:52] <Jucato> later*
[01:52] <Riddell> freeflying: yes (well, I just copied whatever was in the gtk one)
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: the gtk one is writen by mvo?
[01:55] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[01:55] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[01:56] <freeflying> Riddell: need we test it for you?  :)
[01:56] <Riddell> freeflying: yes please
[01:56] <freeflying> Hobbsee: the meeting time is too early here, I can only be there for about 30 m
[01:56] <Hobbsee> yay, kde :)
[01:56] <freeflying> :)
[01:57] <freeflying> Riddell: where they stands?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying: fair enough
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying: it's in feisty
[01:59] <Hawkwind> The meeting is during precious nap time here...... :-)
[02:01] <Jucato> heh
[02:01] <freeflying> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop dosen't depends on language-selector-qt now
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: nap early :P
[02:02] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Tell the 4 year old that!
[02:02] <Hawkwind> Hah
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: you said gwenview is unmaintained now ? did upstream talked that ? last version is one month old only
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Hawkwind> Unfortunately, he's a *sick* 4 year old right now :(
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ah :(
[02:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes he did
[02:03] <Jucato> Tonio_: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37647108
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay so we'll have to discuss this in the meeting.....
[02:04] <Tonio_> very annoying since showimg looks unmaintained too
[02:04] <Riddell> freeflying: it does here
[02:11] <Lure> Riddell: btw, did you find out why I do not see Language install/select buttons in Regional&Language?
[02:11] <Lure> does anybody else have this problem ^^^
[02:14] <Riddell> Lure: still no looked at it (since my apt is still broken), I hope the changes havn't been lost
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: did you upload the change or was screenshot from your local build?
[02:15] <Riddell> Lure: hmm, I can't see it in the kdebase changelog so maybe I didn't upload
[02:15] <Riddell> or I uploaded and it got overwritten
[02:15] <Riddell> hmm, that's not good
[02:15] <Lure> Riddell: :-(
[02:15] <freeflying> Lure: I can't find it too, so just ask Riddel about it :)
[02:17] <Lure> freeflying: thanks, I was already thinking that I was going mad not seing it ;-)
[02:19] <allee> Tonio_: hi, happy new year ;)
[02:19] <allee> Tonio_, Riddell: Gwenview changed again from unmainted to short-of-time-please-help: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31356273&forum_id=1210
[02:19] <allee> so it's not that critical anymore
[02:20] <Tonio_> allee: good news
[02:20] <allee> yeap
[03:08] <Lure> Riddell: btw, when can we expect kubuntu- specs to be approved for feisty?
[03:08] <Lure> we are working on unapproved specs... ;-)
[03:17] <Riddell> Lure: I doubt anyone will get to approving the rest of the specs
[03:18] <Hobbsee> so the plan is just to implement them anyway?
[03:18] <Riddell> so long as I think they're sane, of course :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:19] <Lure> Riddell: I have marked the development status at least
[03:20] <Riddell> Lure: which spec are you thinking of?
[03:20] <Riddell> ah, -laptop and -network
[03:21] <Lure> Riddell: yep
[03:27] <Hobbsee> this is...neat :)
[03:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which kde doc?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> http://developernew.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Programming_Tutorial_KDE_4/
[03:28] <Hobbsee> the "i can code bits of C++ but cant code a thing in kde" one
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you may want to ask Riddell to give you a wake up call, btw
[03:28] <Jucato> aah the wiki. yeah :)
[03:29] <Jucato> heh no need. my mom's awake by 4:30 AM. :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> oh right, so that's a wiki
[03:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'll be taking a look over those tutorials over the next few weeks :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yay :)
[03:31] <Jucato> I just haven't reached that "i can code bits of C++" part :P
[03:32] <Jucato> which is strange, because I made 2 very simple KDE patches lol
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, neither can i...
[03:33] <Lure> sebas: 04:50	Riddell	http://alioth.debian.org/~modax-guest/13_preserve_perms_for_passwd_group_shadow.diff  current patch from debian for guidance user module
[03:33] <Lure> sebas: this looks useful improvement, but would make sense if you review it and apply if Ok with it
[03:39] <Hobbsee> argh, how's it 1.40am already?
[03:39] <Jucato> :D
[03:48] <Hobbsee> zigovr3: please disable your away message
[03:48] <Jucato> !away > zigovr3
[03:55] <manchicken> Hobbsee: So yes, I will be at the meeting.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yay :)
[03:55] <Jucato> kool
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hey Zerlinna
[03:55] <manchicken> Damnit, I don't think there's any coffee in this house.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> manchicken: quick!  go find some!
[03:57] <manchicken> I've got plenty of beer...
[03:57] <manchicken> But I think I'll wait for the meeting on that.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <Zerlinna> hi Hobbsee :)
[03:58] <Zerlinna> ...and hi everybody else ;)
[03:59] <Jucato> grrr! spilled tea over my shirt... :(
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:02] <Jucato> good thing it wasn't that hot anymore...
[04:03] <Jucato> I was drinking and something buzzed by me, thought it was a bee...
[04:03] <abattoir_> hi all :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir!
[04:04] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will you give me a wakeup call tomorrow please?
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya
[04:10] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:10] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:11] <Hobbsee> OK, bedtime for me
[04:11] <Hobbsee> see you later, for the meeting
[04:12] <Jucato> see yah!
[04:33] <Lure> sebas: ignore - I have seen latest commit ;-)
[04:38] <jdong> Hobbsee|NotHere: <mock> contentless pong </mock>
[04:39] <Jucato> er.. contentless ping :P
[04:40] <jdong> Jucato: she pinged me last night with "poke" :D
[04:40] <Jucato> aaah
[04:40] <Jucato> so it's payback time :)
[05:02] <zigovr3> sorry what's about my away message ?
[05:02] <zigovr3> anyway I'm not away anymore :)
[05:03] <Jucato> !away
[05:03] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[05:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee|NotHere: sure
[06:04] <manchicken> I'm excited about the meeting.
[06:04] <Riddell> I hope it doesn't disappoint you :)
[06:04] <bddebian> Excited about meetings?  Sicko ;-P
[06:05] <manchicken> It's my first time actually being involved enough in a project to give a shit about the meetings ;)
[06:05] <bddebian> hehe
[06:06] <manchicken> Riddell: That Qt port will happen, but I'm not sure if it's going to make code freeze.
[06:06] <manchicken> I'm having to separate backend from frontend a little bit since nobody thought of that before.
[06:07] <manchicken> Anybody know if Perl-Qt bindings will ever be complete?
[06:07] <bddebian> Sure, when you write them ;-P
[06:08] <sebas> Probably not
[06:09] <manchicken> heh
[06:09] <Riddell> manchicken: just do what you can, I'll probably look at it a bit before feature freeze anyway
[06:09] <Riddell> manchicken: what's incomplete about perl-qt?
[06:10] <manchicken> Almost none of the networking side of Qt is impletmented.
[06:10] <manchicken> QHttp, etc.
[06:11] <manchicken> I was working on a Podcast app in Perl-Qt... when I tried to use QHttp as my bitch for threaded HTTP requests, I found that QHttp wasn't actually being called.
[06:12] <Riddell> gosh, someone who still programmes in Perl
[06:14] <manchicken> That's my bread and butter man.
[06:14] <manchicken> I hack perl for a living ;)
[06:14] <manchicken> And it seems to be a rather sought-after skill.
[06:14] <manchicken> People keep offering to move me around the country.
[06:14] <manchicken> (US)
[06:17] <manchicken> Perl with embedded C is considerably useful.
[06:18] <manchicken> I wrote an interface to libmtp in Perl with Inline::C.
[06:18] <manchicken> Quite nice.
[06:21] <manchicken> Which reminds me, we need to update the standard amarok build to include libmtp.
[06:21] <manchicken> I'm tired of maintaining my own build ;)
[06:21] <manchicken> <-- lazy
[06:22] <Riddell> amarok in feisty does depend on libmtp
[06:23] <manchicken> Good ^_^
[06:23] <manchicken> Is there a hopeful release date for feisty?
[06:25] <Riddell> you must have seen the scheudule
[06:26] <Riddell> you were just talking about freeze dates
[06:27] <manchicken> I have seen no schedule.
[06:27] <manchicken> If there is one, I'm interested in seeing it ^_^
[06:29] <Riddell> oh well, FeistyReleaseSchedule is what you're after
[06:33] <manchicken> Ooh, just in time for tax season ;)
[06:33] <manchicken> I wonder if I could write off my kubuntu hacking time on my taxes ;)
[06:33] <manchicken> heh
[06:33] <manchicken> That'd be an interesting audit.
[06:34] <manchicken> "Well sir, I value my time at about $150USD/hour, and Ubuntu is a non-profit, so my contributions of 300 hours are all tax-deductable."
[06:34] <manchicken> heh
[06:35] <Riddell> hmm, can you really do that for voluntary hours?
[06:35] <Riddell> in general I mean, Ubuntu isn't actually a charity in the US
[06:37] <manchicken> Oh?  I thought it was 503c.
[06:37] <manchicken> My bad.
[06:56] <mhb> abattoir_: hey
[06:57] <mhb> abattoir_: around?
[07:06] <\sh> Riddell: happy new year friend :) could you check out https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bug/55973 it should  fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/42169 ...
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42169 in wine "winecfg dies when clicking the "Audio" tab" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:51] <mhb> !meeting
[07:51] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[08:03] <manchicken> Meeting is at 2200UTC
[08:03] <Riddell> Lure: wiki says it's this week
[08:04] <Riddell> \sh_away: have you tested that it helps?
[08:19] <Lure> Riddell: true - it is on Thu! :-(
[08:20] <Lure> Riddell: when does the freeze start?
[08:20] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[08:22] <Lure> [20:21]  <Mithrandir> Lure: tomorrow.
[08:27] <toma> ow tomorrow there is also a meeting? great! looking forward to that ;-)
[08:28] <Lure> sebas: seen this proposal: http://hughsient.livejournal.com/11986.html
[08:29] <Lure> sebas: not sure if it makes much sense though (at least not before full kde4 with dbus instead of dcop)
[08:37] <Tonio_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51DyWl_q0c
[08:37] <Tonio_> I know this isn't the purpose, but that's one of the most incredible thing I've seen in my life !
[08:38] <Tonio_> nature is so incredible
[08:39] <mhb> abattoir_: ping
[08:41] <sebas> Lure: current powermanager takes exactly the same amount of clicks to accomplish this
[08:41] <sebas> Not sure how many people want yet another systray icon
[08:41] <sebas> Or isn't this for brightness only?
[08:42] <sebas> Looks like it is
[08:43] <sebas> UTC is CET -1 right?
[08:43] <Lure> sebas: I meant more about dbus interface link: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnome-power-manager/trunk/docs/dbus-interface.html
[08:44] <sebas> Lure: Reading
[08:44] <Lure> sebas: btw, I have sent you an e-mail about some refactoring I plan to do tonight and would like to get your feedback first
[08:45] <Lure> sebas: CET-1 or CET-2 - depending on daylight saving
[08:45] <sebas> Lure: I'll read it in a bit
[08:45] <Lure> sebas: ta
[08:48] <Riddell> s/dbus/hal/
[08:49] <sebas> Right
[08:52] <sebas> And it's UTC+1 here
[08:55] <Riddell> Zerlinna: sysadmin made the domain transfer request today
[08:55] <Riddell> Zerlinna: and he just turned up on the kubuntu-events list
[09:07] <sebas> Lure: I've replied
[09:07] <mhb> Jucato: I did add the meeting agenda point
[09:07] <Riddell> Lure: that should be kdebase language installer patch installed now
[09:12] <nixternal> how large is the entire KDE trunk checkout?
[09:15] <Lure> sebas: thanks - so you think that we could just remove list values from .ui and dynamically add items (conditionally) from code with fixed index numbers?
[09:16] <Lure> sebas: I can try that, even though having keywords might be nicer
[09:20] <Lure> sebas: does not work - if index is higher than max, then it is appended - so index is always sequential (no gaps)
[09:20] <Lure> sebas: even worse - if you use too big index, you get
[09:20] <Lure> QComboBox::insertItem: (PoweredIdleCombo) Index 3 out of range
[09:21] <Lure> sebas: will implement keywords...
[09:25] <manchicken> Chocolate and tequila go quite well together.
[09:26] <manchicken> My buddy brought me back some tequila chocolates from his parents' home town in Mexico... quite good.
[09:26] <manchicken> Highest proof candy I've ever had.
[09:30] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell sorry i was afk...
[09:31] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I've seen his mail on kubuntu-events
[09:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: dunno, just a sec
[09:34] <nixternal> i have been checking it out all day i think. i just got my account
[09:34] <ryanakca> nice... you don't need an account to check it out, do you?
[09:34] <ryanakca> (asking in #kde-devel)
[09:35] <sebas> Lure: I agree that having keywords might be nicer, but it also breaks the config
[09:35] <Lure> sebas: will go with option 2 - properly handle old IDs
[09:35] <sebas> Ok, didn't know about the too big index thing (hoped it would be smarter) :-)
[09:35] <nixternal> ryanakca: nah, just to commit
[09:35] <sebas> Ok
[09:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: meh, wouldn't be much use to me at the moment, all of KDE is in C++/Qt iirc
[09:36] <nixternal> and others
[09:36] <nixternal> there is some ruby in there, some c# i think, lots of xml as well :)
[09:39] <ryanakca> lol
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: btw, "Lock screen" in for lid is misleading ;-)
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: it does blank the screen actually (now when we have lock optionally)
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: also notification is "blanking screen"
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: should I change it to "Blank screen"?
[09:39] <ryanakca> looks like a good beginner language and all... and System Settings is coded in python along with most of the Ubuntu/Canonical stuff...
[09:41] <manchicken> What's to learn?
[09:41] <manchicken> system settings is in C++...
[09:41] <ryanakca> hmm... well, rephrase that to a couple modules?
[09:42] <manchicken> kde-systemsettings is C++ with .desktops and ksycoca
[09:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: might want to update your wiki page... looks like you still aren't a member yet :)
[09:42] <Lure> ryanakca: guidance modules are python
[09:43] <nixternal> ya, i need to update it one of these days
[09:43] <manchicken> Don't "try" to learn a language.  Just get in there and make the magic happen ^_^
[09:43] <manchicken> You'll learn along the way.
[09:43] <ryanakca> Lure: that's probably what I'm thinking about
[09:44] <ryanakca> manchicken: my definition of learning is reading a bit from my python book, and then making a small app based on the last chapter I've looked at and looking at the book for reference :)
[09:45] <manchicken> Why make a small app when there are existing apps that you could just work off of?
[09:45] <ryanakca> should I try just downloading a python app and writing stuff in it? (I still haven't gotten to the part on figuring out what classes are)
[09:45] <manchicken> You'll learn faster if you're making small changes to code than if you're writing it all from scratch.
[09:45] <manchicken> Then your examples are all around you.
[09:45] <mhb> ryanakca: if you don't know stuff like classes at all then wait
[09:46] <ryanakca> manchicken: have an example of an existing app I should work on?
[09:46] <manchicken> Ask Riddell for a low priority task in Python.
[09:46] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:46] <manchicken> I'm sure he's got something.
[09:46] <mhb> ryanakca: if you know classes in other languages, it's easy to learn them in Python
[09:46] <ryanakca> kk
[09:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do you have a low priority task in Python? that I can work on now that I'm frustrated with trying to merge keep?
[09:48] <manchicken> What's frustrating you in merging keep?
[09:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: I can bounce you an e-mail with something, what's your address?
[09:49] <ryanakca> ryanakca@gmail.com
[09:50] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[09:51] <ryanakca> manchicken: ok, I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging . It says to 'less ubuntu.debdiff' . I'm looking at the changes. some of them I have no clue why, or what is happening
[09:51] <manchicken> Then walk through the code and find out.
[09:52] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:52] <ryanakca> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), cdbs, kdelibs4-dev, docbook2x, automake1.9         should be the same in both packages... however it doesn't appear to be so
[09:52] <manchicken> Maybe go skim mailing lists, etc.
[09:52] <ryanakca> the ubuntu one has more dependencies than debian
[09:52] <ryanakca> kk
[09:52] <mhb> ryanakca: by the way, I hope you're going to use another email address from now on ... wish you good luck :o)
[09:52] <manchicken> That might just be that ubuntu is tighter than debian ;)
[09:53] <ryanakca> lol
[09:53] <manchicken> heh
[09:53] <manchicken> That's right.
[09:53] <manchicken> There are web logs of the channel.
[09:53] <manchicken> heh
[09:53] <manchicken> Let the spamming... BEGIN.
[09:53] <ryanakca> mhb: meh, GMail has a good spam filter, and if anything gets threw, I have spamassassin
[09:53] <mhb> ryanakca: I don't think you understood what I meant
[09:54] <ryanakca> manchicken: my email is already on the web, REVU has it :)
[09:54] <ryanakca> mhb: ?
[09:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: e-mail sent
[09:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, ty
[09:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: chances are nothing actually needs merged for keep, it probably is fine with a sync from debian.  what other build-deps do we have?
[09:55] <mhb> ryanakca: if you were accepted as a member you could consider to use another email address .o) that's what I meant
[09:55] <ryanakca> mhb: oh, lol, thanks :)
[09:55] <manchicken> Are you all handing out ubuntu addys?
[09:55] <ryanakca> and hour and 5 minutes
[09:56] <manchicken> Nobody tells me this stuff.
[09:56] <manchicken> heh
[09:56] <sebas> Lure: Hm, I think it's lock screen, still.
[09:56] <Riddell> members get addresses
[09:56] <sebas> blank screen doesn't make sense when lid is closed - you can't see it.
[09:56] <manchicken> What does it mean to be a "member"?
[09:56] <manchicken> And a member of what?
[09:56] <Lure> sebas: it saves battery
[09:56] <manchicken> Some secretive kubuntu kult?
[09:56] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:56] <ryanakca> lol
[09:56] <ryanakca> wiki, just a sec
[09:56] <Lure> sebas: locking is just optional feature of actions
[09:57] <Riddell> manchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewMemberHowto
[09:57] <Riddell> manchicken: we'll be reviewing new members at the meeting in an hour
[09:58] <ryanakca> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[09:58] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you think I should put anything in there?
[09:58] <manchicken> I'm not sure I have made a "significant" contribution yet.  heh
[09:59] <manchicken> I pretend to have done so, but in reality I don't believe I have.
[09:59] <Riddell> manchicken: we usually ask for a couple months of contributions before going for membership, look in on the meeting tonight and if you want go for it at future meeting
[10:00] <manchicken> Does that disqualify me from participating in anything, or does it just mean I don't get the nifty addy?
[10:00] <sebas> Lure: Hm, right, blanking is useful for the idletime thing, although that is screensaver's task in principle
[10:00] <manchicken> I don't really care if there's no real impact on what I want to do ^_^
[10:00] <Riddell> manchicken: doesn't disqualify you from anything except uploading to the archive
[10:00] <manchicken> I'm happy with my notsosoft email ^_^
[10:00] <manchicken> Oh.
[10:00] <Lure> sebas: true - we are overlaping with Display module too (DPMS settings)
[10:00] <Riddell> manchicken: (which means going to tech board after membership)
[10:00] <manchicken> In that case, I'd prefer to let you be my shit umbrella for the time being ^_^
[10:01] <Riddell> manchicken: but only members get the @kubuntu.org addresses
[10:01] <manchicken> I'm okay with that.
[10:01] <manchicken> As long as I still get to participate in the development and direction if I had an idea that didn't suck.
[10:01] <Lure> sebas: issue is that it depends for lid: if I have it docked with lid closed, then if I blank in clone mode - I do not see external monitor; this is where do noting makes sense
[10:02] <Riddell> manchicken: certainly, membership is mostly just a badge to say you've been helping for a while
[10:03] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:03] <manchicken> Makes sense.
[10:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... can't seem to find it...
[10:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: find what?
[10:03] <sebas> Lure: Aye, didn't think of such a case
[10:03] <ryanakca> the email?
[10:04] <ryanakca> wait, nevermind...
[10:04] <ryanakca> hmm... GMail thought it was spam...
[10:04] <Riddell> damnit gmail, I am not spam
[10:04] <nixternal> lol
[10:04] <ryanakca> lol
[10:04] <nixternal> Riddell: nice new section as well == blah == :)
[10:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, classes make up modules or something of the sort, and they can then be imported?
[10:11] <mhb> ryanakca: if you don't know classes, read the book :o)
[10:12] <ryanakca> lol
[10:12] <mhb> ryanakca: it's quite easy to learn a new programming language by doing, if you know the basics (of programming)
[10:24] <manchicken> I've heard rumors of the existence of a glade-to-qt-designer proggy out there.
[10:24] <manchicken> anybody know of such an animal?
[10:28] <Lure> Riddell, sebas: what are good defaults for powermanager actions (need to be flexible, depending on what HW supports) - I suggest:
[10:29] <Lure> CriticalBattery: hibernate, suspend, shutdown
[10:29] <Lure> PoweredIdle: nothing
[10:29] <Lure> BatteryIdle: suspend, hibernate, nothing
[10:29] <Lure> LidClose: blank
[10:29] <mhb> I've made some mockup images for my Kmilo pop-up agenda point. Check them out if you want: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/KmiloPopup
[10:30] <Lure> Riddell, sebas are you ok with this?
[10:30] <ryanakca> Lure: The average user doesn't know the difference between suspend and hibernate,  do they? unless you put a little 'alt' tag when you put your mouse over it...
[10:30] <Lure> ryanakca: it is just order in case if HW does not support something
[10:30] <fdoving> Lure: does hibernation work out of the box on lots of laptops?
[10:31] <Lure> fdoving: yes, and if it does not you can disable it in powermanager config
[10:31] <fdoving> .. my laptop can go to hibernation-sleep just fine, but it doesn't weak up.
[10:31] <ryanakca> same here... well, my mom's is like that
[10:31] <fdoving> Lure: ok. would like some sane defaults that does something that works by default. and let the user select something more 'advanced'.
[10:32] <ryanakca> mhb: ooh, I particularly like the last one on that page
[10:32] <Lure> fdoving: yes, you are right - probably "nothing" then, maybe only for CriticalBattery
[10:33] <Lure> fdoving: but the only safe one is shutdown (on critical battery)
[10:33] <fdoving> Lure: maybe 'if nothing is selected by the user' -> popup and ask?
[10:33] <Lure> fdoving: they get warning twice, so they should do it manually
[10:34] <fdoving> Lure: i agree. that's the safe one. however, shutdown will kill open-not-saved documents. hibernate/suspend -might- save your work if it works.
[10:34] <fdoving> Lure: well.. some users might ignore the warnings.. or not know what to do about it.
[10:34] <allee> [22:32]  <pusling> allee: ..and you can ask hobbsee to pull kommando from experimental if she cares.
[10:34] <Lure> fdoving: it looks like "nothing" is the best choice (safest)
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: if they own laptop and do not know what to do on critical battery level, then we cannot help them ;-)
[10:35] <fdoving> Lure: i'd say 'shutdown'. it stops some services and syncs the devices.
[10:36] <fdoving> atleast that syncs unwritten data to the disk.
[10:36] <fdoving> 'nothing' leaves it running empty and just die.
[10:37] <Lure> fdoving: true that, but it is very drastic operation...
[10:37] <mhb> nothing's the best
[10:37] <mhb> IMO
[10:37] <fdoving> Lure: to shutdown when the battery is very very close to empty?
[10:37] <fdoving> i'd say that is sane.
[10:37] <mhb> because on my machine the information are not quite correct
[10:37] <Lure> mhb: right, but I still need to put something in ;-)
[10:37] <fdoving> mhb: that's a good point.
[10:38] <Lure> fdoving: if I think again, we should trust HAL - if it claims suspend/hibernate is supported, we should use it
[10:39] <Lure> fdoving: that way users will at least report bugs ;-)
[10:39] <fdoving> Lure: yes, good point.
[10:39] <fdoving> Lure: atleast something is better than nothing.
[10:39] <mhb> Lure: I think users want a system that work, not report bugs
[10:39] <mhb> Lure: s/work/works
[10:39] <Lure> fdoving: I still think that we should to nothing on idle (battery or powered) - play it safe here...
[10:40] <Lure> fdoving: and most users may probably hate idle actions anyhow...
[10:40] <sebas> Lure: Does the blank unblank if lid is opened?
[10:40] <mhb> Lure: if it works worse when we trust HAL (even just in some cases), I'd say don't trust it too much
[10:40] <sebas> It looks all good though
[10:40] <fdoving> Lure: i agree. nothing on idle.
[10:40] <Lure> sebas: I think so
[10:40] <sebas> (It's actually pretty much what I've set it to do, so you won't break _my_ config ;-))
[10:41] <Lure> ok, so we will have:
[10:42] <sebas> I'd say use what HAL provides and have bugs fixed in HAL (also black / whitelists)
[10:42] <sebas> The whole idea of HAL is to have it in one place
[10:42] <Lure> CriticalBattery: hibernate, suspend, nothing (in this order dependant on HW)
[10:42] <manchicken> Anybody have any idea how to convert glade to designer without manually creating it in designer?
[10:42] <Lure> Idle: nothing
[10:42] <Lure> Lid: blank
[10:43] <sebas> CriticalBattery hibernate, shutdown (suspend might crash just a couple of minutes later, or not be able to resume
[10:43] <manchicken> (glade 2.0 that is)
[10:43] <sebas> shutdown at least keeps the filesystem from breaking
[10:44] <sebas> And hibernate doesn't need any power while suspended
[10:44] <Lure> sebas: ok, will do hibernate, shutdown then
[10:44] <sebas> ok
[10:45] <mhb> I fear HAL does not work well on a lot of machines ... so it may result into more users complaining about Kubuntu
[10:45] <mhb> which is not exactly the desired result
[10:46] <mhb> and another thing: is this the same thing that Ubuntu desktop does when battery is critical/lid is closed-opened ? We should keep that consistent.
[10:46] <sebas> Why should we keep that consistent?
[10:47] <sebas> I see a point in keeping the safest settings, though.
[10:48] <mhb> a) because we're not a separate system b) because they must have had this discussion before
[10:48] <Lure> mhb: I think it is the same as gnome/ubuntu
[10:48] <sebas> mhb: We are a separate system, as to b) they have different target users, so their decision is based off different assumptions
[10:49] <mhb> sebas: no, we're not
[10:49] <sebas> I'm all for 'makes most sense' rather than 'gnome does'
[10:49] <sebas> mhb: Arguable, why do users choose Kubuntu then? :>
[10:49] <mhb> sebas: UI != system
[10:49] <sebas> Well, defaults are in the UI
[10:50] <mhb> sebas: yes, arguable :o) but that's not my point
[10:50] <sebas> I'm with you on safest is best
[10:51] <sebas> But I'm not with you that we should do whatever GNOME does, I'd say let's do what makes most sense to us
[10:51] <mhb> sebas: what I think is that they are a larger development team, and we both solve this particular problem for the common user
[10:51] <mhb> sebas: so hearing their arguments could help
[10:51] <sebas> I don't think they're a larger development team
[10:52] <toma> meeting takes place in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[10:52] <ryanakca> yep
[10:52] <sebas> toma: y
[10:52] <Tonio_> toma: yup
[10:52] <fdoving> we can have a look at what gnome does, but if it doesn't make sense for us, we must do something else. if we don't we're doomed.
[10:52] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:52] <mhb> if their solution is totally wrong then we should do something different, I agree
[10:53] <Riddell> ** meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:53] <ryanakca> if it worked, might as well take what works, but no point making the same mistake twice if they're methode didn't work
[10:53] <ryanakca> *method*
[10:53] <mhb> but I guess it's not ... but before we can decide that, we should hear their arguments and think about them
[10:53] <mhb> a good thing is that this decision is easy to change
[10:54] <mhb> so we can decide now and finetune later in the development cycle, am I correct?
[10:55] <sebas> Not quite, you don't want to change the behaviour every week
[10:55] <sebas> If I rely on my machine going to hibernate, I don't want it after an upgrade to just plain shutdown
[10:55] <sebas> That's asking for dataloss.
[10:56] <sebas> And of course the other way round with suddenly switching on a suspend mode that doesn't work and freezes the system
[10:56] <manchicken> I find that suspend and all of that works just fine as long as I'm not using binary drivers.
[10:56] <fdoving> .. but that's kinda HALs problem, if it reports suspening to work.. and it doesn't..
[10:57] <manchicken> ATI's binary gfx drivers disrupt my system greatly.
[10:57] <mhb> fdoving: no arguing about that
[10:57] <Lure> manchicken: suspend/hibernate is not supported by ubuntu team if you use binary drivers
[10:57] <manchicken> The nvidia ones seem to be less so, but still not good.
[10:57] <manchicken> Lure: I never use binary drivers ;)
[10:58] <manchicken> I'm far too much of an FSF zealot for that ^_^
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: but we still cannot presume it's 100% working
[10:58] <fdoving> Lure: i don't use binary drivers but that's interessting.
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: better - we should make sure everything works even if it doesn't work on 100%
[10:58] <manchicken> I would think there'd be a variety of unsupported functionality when using non-free drivers.
[10:58] <pinheiro> heay all
[10:59] <mhb> fdoving: everything = KDE settings, it = HAL
[10:59] <fdoving> mhb: well.. we most rely on some info. it's not like we can wait till everything is perfect.
[10:59] <Lure> pinheiro: hi
[10:59] <Lure> pinheiro: could you (or kwwii) make one icon for powermanager
[11:00] <pinheiro> one more?
[11:00] <Lure> pinheiro: ac-adapter one is old style (not the one from uds-mtv)
[11:00] <pinheiro> wre is it?
[11:00] <Lure> it is in playground/guidance/powermanager/icons/
[11:01] <Lure> pinheiro: there are .svg for other icons, but this one does not match others
[11:01] <Lure> pinheiro: ac-adapter.png
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: it's not a decision that will make the system twice as usable, though
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: so we can wait with this one
[11:01] <Lure> ups, meeting time...
[11:01] <pinheiro> can you send me an emils with taht stuf
[11:01] <Hobbsee> morning all
[11:01] <pinheiro> i will see what i can do about it
[11:02] <pinheiro> morning Hobbsee
[11:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:02] <pinheiro> nuno@oxygen-icons.org
[11:11] <Lure> pinheiro: will do after meeting or tommorow (with Cc to kwwii) - it is no urgency
[11:11] <pinheiro> oki
[11:11] <pinheiro> cool
[11:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you have a blog?!?! :O
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes, but there's nothing in it
[11:18] <Jucato> heheh :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: when you add something share the link with us :o)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: i think it's hobbsee.blogspot.com
[11:20] <Jucato> you think?
[11:20] <Jucato> :O
[11:22] <Jucato> ryanakca: http://developernew.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Programming_Tutorial_KDE_4
[11:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: ty
[11:22] <Jucato> heh you're up next, I think :P
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: let the grilling begin :P
[11:23] <ryanakca> eeeps!
[11:28] <Jucato> marinate, grill, then eat! :)
[11:28] <manchicken> KDE4 is nice.
[11:28] <manchicken> Qt4 obsoleted some stuff that I disagreed with though.
[11:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:35] <Jucato> is there a sort of "tour" of Launchpad's features? Including Malone and Bzr?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> not yet
[11:36] <Jucato> ah... it is definitely in need of one :)
[11:37] <Jucato> from #kubuntu <silya> Hi all! There is many mistakes in russian translation in kubuntu 6.10 :/ Who coordiantes it?
[11:37] <Jucato> is there an i18n team? or is it covered by the doc team?
[11:38] <manchicken> Damnit, I'm gonna have to just recreate this UI in designer.
[11:39] <Jucato> manchicken: have fun :)
[11:39] <manchicken> Yeah.  Keep laughin' ;)
[11:39] <Jucato> I ain't laughing
[11:39] <Jucato> just jeering you on
[11:39] <Jucato> er.. cheering
[11:39] <manchicken> if (sys.user == "jucato"): sys.exit(1) ;)
[11:40] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:40] <Jucato> at least you know how to use desginer...
[11:40] <manchicken> True.
[11:40] <manchicken> That doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer to have a converter though.
[11:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: i swore you were a member beceause you are on the Kubuntu Team, I thought the Kubuntu Team was the next step, that's why I applied back in August
[11:42] <nixternal> shows you how much i know
[11:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh, nope
[11:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: kubuntu team is just a team to subscribe bug reports to, iirc
[11:43] <ryanakca> lol
[11:43] <nixternal> heh, im subscribed to all boogs already
[11:57] <imbrandon> bah
[11:57] <Hobbsee> heya imbrandon
[11:57] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[11:58] <Jucato> moin imbrandon!
[11:58] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[11:58] <mhb> Lure: how can you trigger the amarok pop-up?
[11:59] <Lure> mhb: play a song
[11:59] <Lure> mhb: it displays song info
[11:59] <imbrandon> uninstall
[11:59] <imbrandon> err
[11:59] <imbrandon> brb
[11:59] <imbrandon> steam on linux == developers worst dream
[11:59] <ryanakca> steam?
[12:00] <imbrandon> game purchaing service
[12:02] <Jucato> nixternal: would CustomizeKubuntu be a good title for the guide I made or ThemingKubuntu or something else? (they title the KDE version of the guide as customize-desktop)
[12:03] <nixternal> they both work
[12:03] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[12:03] <imbrandon> Customize works better imho
[12:03] <imbrandon> bbiab , halo time
[12:04] <Jucato> imbrandon: you ain't attending the meeting?
[12:04] <nixternal> nice, one osd for all
[12:04] <imbrandon> its not today is it ?
[12:04] <nixternal> no
[12:04] <nixternal> huh
[12:04] <nixternal> ya
[12:04] <nixternal> lol
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's on now
[12:04] <nixternal> imbrandon: we are in it now
[12:04] <nixternal> lol
[12:04] <Jucato> :)
[12:04] <imbrandon> jesus, how many times did it change days
[12:04] <nixternal> 4 or 5 easily ;p
[12:04] <Jucato> 3 times I think...
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, soryr :(
[12:05] <Jucato> oh worse :P
[12:06] <Jucato> imbrandon: hm.. ok CustomizeKubuntu it is :)
[12:08] <Jucato> manchicken: afaik, K3b's and amarok's OSD's are not similar
[12:08] <manchicken> Ack, you're right.  It's just konversation and amarok that are similar.
[12:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're sick? :(
[12:09] <Jucato> yep. looks like it
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm slightly hypoglycaemic - it's hitting
[12:09] <Jucato> ouch...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> been goign to work too much again
[12:10] <seaLne> Tonio_: in what way? changelog etc you mean?
[12:10] <seaLne> k
[12:11] <Lure> pinheiro, kwwii: what is the name of info and warning icon in kde3? I thought messagebox_info/warn, but does not have warn in crystal...
[12:12] <pinheiro> lure check hicolor
[12:14] <Lure> pinheiro: nothing useful there... :-( and messagebox_info is only in oxygen I use currently
[12:15] <pinheiro> im now working on the core action icons so probly tomorow i will come to that one