| sfllaw | I hate to bother you guys. | 12:19 |
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| sfllaw | But what's the user-interface for approving members to a team? | 12:19 |
| sfllaw | Or even changing their status? | 12:20 |
| sfllaw | Oh, I see. I got logged out. | 12:20 |
| jkelly_ | is there any malone xml rpc integration available in python at the moment? | 12:37 |
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| jdong | quick question, what happened to the "request backport in" button on launchpad? | 12:43 |
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| somerville32 | jdong: Who knows whats going on with launchpad, lol | 12:51 |
| somerville32 | So many changes - hard to keep up | 12:51 |
| jdong | I have no idea, that's for sure :) | 12:51 |
| somerville32 | I get used to one way and the next day the link is gone | 12:51 |
| jdong | I'm looking for a way to mark a bug as fixed in Feisty but needs fixing in Dapper/Edgy | 12:51 |
| jdong | options in Launchpad change faster than Beryl options | 12:51 |
| jamesh | jdong: "nominate for release" | 12:58 |
| jdong | jamesh: ah, ok, thanks | 12:59 |
| jdong | jamesh: nominations can't be marked with a progress/status individually anymore? | 01:00 |
| jamesh | jdong: the nomination needs to be accepted by one of the developers | 01:00 |
| jamesh | at which point it becomes a bug task that can have an assignee, status, importance, etc | 01:00 |
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| jdong | oh | 01:05 |
| jdong | :( | 01:05 |
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| jamesh | jdong: the Ubuntu developers don't want random people creating tasks to fix bugs in Ubuntu Warty, for instance ... | 01:13 |
| jamesh | jdong: the nomination feature keeps track of who requested the backport, and if the nomination gets rejected, who rejected it | 01:13 |
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| ryanakca | how would I show all the Critical bugs in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs? maybe even all the High and Critical bugs? | 02:11 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78384 in malone "Can not add comments to bug 78282 (release management related?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78384 | 02:15 |
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| jamesh | apparently the Brazilian Embassy only takes telephone requests about visas from 9am to 11am eastern time | 02:32 |
| jamesh | which corresponds to 7am to 9am western time ... | 02:33 |
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| jkakar | I'm a bit confused about "Releases" and "Release Series" on Launchpad. | 02:49 |
| jkakar | This is my first time releasing anything on Launchpad. I created a release series first: https://launchpad.net/framework/release-0.2 | 02:50 |
| jkakar | I've bound my release branch to it and a link is listed on the series overview page to it--nice. :) | 02:51 |
| jkakar | What I don't get is what the point of a release within a series is. It seems like random metadata without a link to a branch...? | 02:51 |
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| poolie | jkakar: hi? | 03:18 |
| jkakar | poolie: Hi. :) | 03:18 |
| poolie | jkakar: i think a release can have a package built from it | 03:19 |
| jkakar | poolie: How does the package builder know which branch do use? | 03:19 |
| jkakar | poolie: There appears to be no way to bind a branch to a release. Only to a release series. | 03:19 |
| poolie | and perhaps have bugs attached etc | 03:20 |
| poolie | jkakar: sorry i don't know | 03:20 |
| poolie | um | 03:20 |
| poolie | jamesh may know? | 03:20 |
| jamesh | currently a ProductRelease is just metadata, an optionally a link to some files in the librarian | 03:21 |
| jamesh | (the librarian linkage stuff isn't exposed in the UI | 03:21 |
| jkakar | jamesh: Ah I see. Thanks! | 03:21 |
| jamesh | jkakar: if you configure a glob for releases for a particular product series, the releases should get registered automatically | 03:21 |
| jamesh | it'll scan for tarballs | 03:22 |
| jkakar | Oh. I've been binding bzr branches to my release series. | 03:22 |
| jamesh | you can do both | 03:22 |
| jkakar | Huh, cool. Thanks. | 03:23 |
| jdong | jamesh: Who should I contact if I want to make a case about why I should have developer-level abilities with nomination? | 03:28 |
| jamesh | jdong: w.r.t. Ubuntu? | 03:28 |
| jdong | jamesh: yes | 03:28 |
| jamesh | jdong: currently you need to be a member of ubuntu-core-dev to be able to accept nominations or directly target bugs to distro releases | 03:30 |
| jamesh | (I think) | 03:30 |
| jdong | oh, ok :-/ | 03:30 |
| jdong | back to using dapper-backports/edgy-backports products for the backports tree then :D | 03:31 |
| jamesh | jdong: BjornT should be able to answer questions about the LP side of things | 03:31 |
| jamesh | jdong: as for team membership/permissions, that is something for the Ubuntu developers and community to decide on | 03:31 |
| jamesh | we've always got the option of modifying Launchpad if it can't correctly model the permissions Ubuntu needs | 03:32 |
| jdong | mmm | 03:33 |
| jdong | ok, I'll keep that in mind | 03:33 |
| jdong | in the future if the new system becomes a problem for me, I'll approach the tech board guys about it... | 03:33 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78395 in malone "Support Google Code's issue tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78395 | 04:05 |
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| Bhaskar | jamesh: i have translated schooltool via launchpad, download po,mo file and update translation but the problem is : in the leftside of schooltool i e leftside menu(with hyperlinks) is not translated in Nepali pls suggest me why this happens | 04:42 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: have you asked the schooltool guys about this? | 04:42 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: in case there is something special you need to do to get those links translated? | 04:43 |
| Bhaskar | james ya but nobody suggest me | 04:43 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: pls how | 04:43 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: i m sending schooltool.po pls check and suggest me | 04:46 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: yeah. it doesn't seem to be getting through one of our firewalls | 04:47 |
| jamesh | can you put it up somewhere web accessible? | 04:47 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh:mail pls , i m sending via mail | 04:47 |
| jamesh | preferably with an up to date PO template too (probably called schooltool.pot | 04:47 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh" your mail pls | 04:48 |
| jamesh | james@jamesh.id.au | 04:49 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh:pls check my mail | 04:53 |
| Bhaskar | james:from Bhaskar<b_bprimal@yahoo.com> | 04:54 |
| jamesh | I don't see it yet | 04:54 |
| jamesh | will probably have to wait til it gets retried due to greylisting | 04:55 |
| Bhaskar | james: pls there is attachment, i think takes little time for download | 04:58 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: got your mail now | 05:05 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: do you know where I could see an up to date PO template for schooltool? | 05:07 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: pls check another mail, i send a localized screenshot os schooltool in nepali, where u can see my problem | 05:07 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: see https://launchpad.net/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool | 05:07 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: the PO file you sent me seems to have some form of conflict markers | 05:08 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: for update po template where u can see for nepali language: my name also | 05:08 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: i have merged two po so | 05:09 |
| jamesh | there are translations that contain stuff like "#-#-#-#-# a.po (schooltool) #-#-#-#-# [one translation] #-#-#-#-# ne.po (schoolbell) #-#-#-#-# [a second translation] " | 05:09 |
| jamesh | that looks incorrect | 05:09 |
| jamesh | you probably need to combine the two files with msgmerge | 05:10 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: ya when merging ie msgcat | 05:10 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: if you can wait, danilos or carlos will be up, and may be able to help you | 05:10 |
| Bhaskar | james: i used msgcat so this was happining | 05:10 |
| jamesh | they are the main rosetta developers, and know a lot more about the details of the gettext utilities than me | 05:11 |
| Bhaskar | james: here in Nepal it is 10:pm, i am in my office | 05:11 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: no no 10:am | 05:12 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: u get my 2nd mail? | 05:12 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: both Carlos and Danilo are on European time (+0100), so should be around for your afternoon | 05:13 |
| jamesh | I got your second email | 05:13 |
| jamesh | some of the untranslated strings seem to appear in your PO file with those weird conflict markers | 05:14 |
| jamesh | other ones don't seem to be in the PO file at all | 05:14 |
| Bhaskar | james:see the localised gui, i am trying to localized | 05:15 |
| jamesh | yepo | 05:15 |
| jamesh | yep, even | 05:15 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: i think the template given by launchpad, is not containing all the string that are used in schooltool application | 05:17 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: right. The schooltool guys need to upload new PO templates as strings are added/changed | 05:17 |
| jamesh | if they don't, then the PO files generated by rosetta won't have full coverage | 05:18 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: they put 3 template, confusing, one is schooltool main, 2nd is schooltool2006,and 3rd one is schooltool in Ubuntu Dapper package "schooltool" | 05:19 |
| jamesh | that does sound confusing | 05:20 |
| Bhaskar | james:which one is to be used?? so i have merged 1 and 2 and compile | 05:20 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: the merged PO file you sent me references schooltool and schoolbell | 05:20 |
| jamesh | from memory, schoolbell is a subset of schooltool only containing the calendar code and not the other school management bits | 05:21 |
| Bhaskar | james: ya schooltooll template they provided is not containing whole string, so i have mersed schoolbell also, some strings are in schoolbell also | 05:22 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: i think they should provide only final one template | 05:26 |
| jamesh | no argument there. | 05:26 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh:well how can i solve my problem?? | 05:29 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: I don't know how to solve your problem. The people who'd have a better chance of helping you will be up shortly (a few hours) | 05:30 |
| Bhaskar | james: thanks | 05:31 |
| Bhaskar | james: what is your profession | 05:31 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: i think you are also programmer or...... | 05:32 |
| jamesh | Bhaskar: I am also a Launchpad developer, but I don't work on the Rosetta parts much | 05:32 |
| Bhaskar | james:well so you know python, zope.... | 05:33 |
| jamesh | yep | 05:34 |
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| poolie | is there still a calendar feature in launchpad? | 05:41 |
| Bhaskar | poolie ya | 05:45 |
| Bhaskar | jamesh: i think you can aslo discuss with your team for such problems | 05:53 |
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| Bhaskar | poolie: any problem | 05:54 |
| WebMaven | jamesh: Are you at all familiar with Zope3/SQLAlchemy integration via ZAlchemy? | 05:56 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: never used SQLAlchemy, so no. | 05:56 |
| jml | poolie: hi | 05:56 |
| WebMaven | jamesh: do you do RDBMS development with Zope3 at all? | 05:57 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: yes. Launchpad stores most of its data in a Postgres database | 05:57 |
| jamesh | (we also have a file based storage system called the librarian, rather than storing big files as blobs in the db) | 05:58 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: we are currently using SQLObject | 05:58 |
| WebMaven | I tried SQLObject (and SQLOS) but got stuck on it's insistence on one db connection. | 05:59 |
| WebMaven | Also various annoying bugs. Meanwhile, ZAlchemy and SQLAlchemy look pretty good, but the examples are non-existent. | 06:01 |
| jamesh | we have been looking at switching over to a new ORM | 06:01 |
| WebMaven | jamesh: check your pm | 06:02 |
| WebMaven | jamesh: so, is there anyone else who does know anything about SQLAlchemy and ZAlchemy? | 06:04 |
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| jamesh | WebMaven: I don't know. Perhaps ask on the SQLAlchemy list? | 06:07 |
| WebMaven | When I ask in #sqlalchemy, I get told "don't use Zope", which isn't helpful. | 06:08 |
| jamesh | what if you ask on a zope list or IRC channel? | 06:09 |
| WebMaven | "don't use an RDBMS" | 06:09 |
| jamesh | haha | 06:10 |
| WebMaven | it's OK, I know who the maintainer of ZAlchemy is, I'll catch him in IRC sometime soon. I was just wondering if I there were any other experts I could find. | 06:10 |
| WebMaven | expert users, that is. | 06:11 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: if your problem is SQLAlchemy specific, I can't really help. If it is more of a "using ORMs with Zope" I might be able to help. | 06:12 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: niemeyer may be able to help out a bit too -- he was using SQLAlchemy for another project | 06:12 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. I think it's ZALchemy specific, at least my current problem is. | 06:13 |
| jamesh | I don't know if he was using ZAlchemy | 06:13 |
| WebMaven | Huh. OK, I'll keep an eye out for him then. | 06:13 |
| WebMaven | Well, if he was using something else, I'd like to know that too. I tried using Alchemist recently, but it's currently too focused on Five and Plone. | 06:15 |
| WebMaven | for that purpose, it is very nice, but I'm working on a Zope3 app. | 06:15 |
| WebMaven | jamesh: are you a Canonical employee? | 06:16 |
| WebMaven | Ah, I see you do. Are you or any other Canonical folks coming to PyCon? | 06:18 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: I'm not going to PyCon. Don't know about anyone else | 06:20 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: I'll be at linux.conf.au next week if you're in the area :) | 06:20 |
| WebMaven | Hah. I'm in Las Vegas. | 06:21 |
| jamesh | that's not too far | 06:21 |
| jamesh | you'd probably only need to change planes once | 06:21 |
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| WebMaven | Well, sure. Who's buying the ticket? | 06:23 |
| jamesh | it is a bit late this year, but if you are prepared to speak you can get linux.conf.au to pay for the ticket | 06:24 |
| jamesh | watch for next year | 06:24 |
| jamesh | 's call for papers | 06:25 |
| WebMaven | Just the ticket, or hotel too? | 06:25 |
| jamesh | both | 06:25 |
| jamesh | LCA takes care of its speakers | 06:25 |
| WebMaven | Cool. Are they interested in Zope-related talks? | 06:26 |
| jamesh | there is usually a large mix of papers presented at the conf | 06:26 |
| WebMaven | And is Zope part of that mix? ;-) | 06:27 |
| jamesh | we've had Rasmus give tutorials on PHP, so Zope can't really be out of scope :) | 06:27 |
| WebMaven | Heh. OK. | 06:27 |
| WebMaven | OK, what the heck is gnome-vfs-obexftp? | 06:27 |
| jamesh | the talk would need to appeal to a fairly broad audience though -- you wouldn't be able to expect all attendees to know about the Zope 3 component model for instance :) | 06:28 |
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| jamesh | WebMaven: OBEX FTP is a file transfer protocol implemented by most phones that support bluetooth | 06:29 |
| WebMaven | Ah! All becomes clear. | 06:29 |
| jamesh | WebMaven: gnome-vfs-obexftp is a module that lets you browse your phone's file system with gnome-vfs aware apps, such as Nautilus | 06:29 |
| WebMaven | Cool. | 06:29 |
| jamesh | So I can take photos with my phone, hit reload in Nautilus and instantly view the photo on my laptop | 06:30 |
| WebMaven | v. cool. | 06:30 |
| jamesh | (there is no change notification, so it is necessary to reload) | 06:30 |
| WebMaven | so, do bluetooth devices just appear on the desktop as a device, like a USB device you plugged in? | 06:32 |
| WebMaven | I mean, auto-magically? | 06:32 |
| jamesh | not quite | 06:33 |
| jamesh | you need to pair the device with your laptop | 06:33 |
| WebMaven | OK. 'cause, that would be an interesting vuln. | 06:34 |
| jamesh | then if you go to the URL "obex:" in Nautilus and you get a list of the paired devices that support obexftp | 06:34 |
| WebMaven | very, very cool. | 06:34 |
| WebMaven | Hey, thx for explaining that. | 06:35 |
| jamesh | it beats transferring photos off the phone as MMS messages, or sending them individually from the phone to the computer | 06:37 |
| WebMaven | I'll bet. | 06:38 |
| jamesh | there is also a "Wireless USB" protocol in thw works, so the next digital camera and laptop you buy may be able to communicate in the same way | 06:41 |
| jamesh | it also introduces yet another radio protocol for computers to implement ... | 06:41 |
| WebMaven | Well, while thats inconvenient in-and-of itself, eventually the weight of these protocols will tip the balance toward software defined radio. | 06:43 |
| WebMaven | for forward compatibility, if nothing else. | 06:44 |
| jamesh | you've got WiFi, WiMAX, Bluetooth, Wireless USB, GSM, CDMA, etc | 06:44 |
| WebMaven | and they're coming along faster and faster.... | 06:45 |
| WebMaven | we're approaching the market limits on custom ASICs for radio protocols, devices are being obsoleted at an incredible pace. | 06:46 |
| jamesh | a number of wifi chipsets _are_ software defined radios these days | 06:47 |
| WebMaven | device manufacturers are being backed into a corner, and the only way out is going to be reprogrammable hardware. | 06:47 |
| jamesh | some of them run their firmware on decently powerful ARM CPUs | 06:47 |
| WebMaven | Yes, but not general purpose ones, yet. | 06:47 |
| jamesh | how do you know? :) | 06:48 |
| WebMaven | I mean, one chipset, all protocols (all *possible* protocols). | 06:48 |
| WebMaven | but that's the way it's converging. | 06:48 |
| jamesh | what I mean is: do you really know what the full capabilities of your wifi chipset are, assuming you were able to write custom firmware | 06:49 |
| WebMaven | And then, some really wild things will start happening... | 06:49 |
| WebMaven | OK, fair point, but if the chipset were *completely* flexible, it wouldn't just get used for wifi. | 06:50 |
| WebMaven | just diddling the frequency and power doesn't count. | 06:50 |
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| WebMaven | One chipset to rule them all... | 06:56 |
| WebMaven | AM, FM, UWB and maybe PM. | 06:57 |
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| jamesh | BjornT: earlier, kees was having trouble adding a comment to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/78282 | 07:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78282 in vnc4 "vnc4server does not start Desktop environment after security update" [High,Confirmed] | 07:00 |
| jamesh | the +addcomment form gives a forbidden error. | 07:01 |
| jamesh | the +addcomment form for either of the distrorelease bug tasks works okay though. | 07:01 |
| BjornT | jamesh: yeah, i saw that in the backlog. i'll take a look at it today, i think there's an easy fix for it. | 07:03 |
| jamesh | BjornT: I filed a bug about it (bug 78384) so it doesn't get forgotten | 07:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78384 in malone "Can not add comments to bug 78282 (release management related?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78384 | 07:04 |
| BjornT | thanks jamesh | 07:04 |
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| mpt | BjornT, did guided-filebug require updating anything in sourcecode/? | 07:42 |
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| jamesh | mpt: I was just doing a quick fix for the alignment problem with the "Launchpad" menu at the top of the page | 07:56 |
| jamesh | mpt: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileJJM7iL.html <- does that look okay to you? | 07:56 |
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| poolie | hello | 07:56 |
| mpt | jamesh, yep, that looks fine | 07:56 |
| mpt | poolie, no, no calendar any more | 07:56 |
| poolie | the fonts in the beta look very small to me | 07:56 |
| poolie | or is my browser just confused? | 07:56 |
| mpt | poolie, yes, that was an executive decision | 07:56 |
| jamesh | mpt: is the top menu gone from the beta UI? | 07:58 |
| mpt | jamesh, it no longer has any icons in it, so the problem doesn't occur | 07:59 |
| jamesh | mpt: weird. I don't see any menu on beta.launchpad.net | 08:00 |
| BjornT | mpt: no, guided-filebug shouldn't have required any updating in sourcecode/. i did a commit to sourcecode/sqlos a while ago, though, so make sure it's up to date. | 08:00 |
| mpt | jamesh, that's because the menu is currently accidentally hidden by my initial unsuccessful attempt to make it look like a menu | 08:01 |
| jamesh | fair enough :) | 08:01 |
| mpt | BjornT, yes, since asking that question I discovered that sqlos was out of date and have just updated it :-) | 08:01 |
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| mpt | hadn't quite finished testing whether that was the problem | 08:02 |
| mpt | hooray | 08:04 |
| mpt | thanks BjornT | 08:04 |
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| carlos | morning | 08:15 |
| jamesh | carlos: Bhaskar was around earlier with some questions about using some translations he'd done in Rosetta with SchoolTool | 08:19 |
| carlos | jamesh: ok, thanks | 08:19 |
| jamesh | I helped him as best I could, but you might have better luck | 08:19 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: hi | 08:19 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: thanks for jamesh and hi | 08:20 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: what could I do for you? | 08:20 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: i have problem in translation | 08:20 |
| carlos | What kind of problem? | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:I have translate: | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | 1. SchoolTool Series: main Translation template "schooltool" | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | https://launchpad.net/schooltool/main/+pots/schooltool | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | 2. SchoolTool Series: 2006 Translation template "schooltool" | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | https://launchpad.net/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | 3. SchoolBell Translation overview | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | https://translations.launchpad.net/schoolbell/+translations | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | And download po and mo and did: make update-translations but i could not get all the string to be translate in nepali . | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | My quarries: | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | 1.which template should be used for translation?????? | 08:21 |
| Bhaskar | 2.i think all above template given by launchpad is not containing all the string used in schooltool, schoolbell. | 08:22 |
| Bhaskar | 3.there is confusion in template 1 and 2 (given above), i think launchpad should mersed both of them with containing all string used in schooltool (people are always in confusion which template should be used) | 08:22 |
| Bhaskar | Note: the attached localized gui, i mersed two po ( schooltool and schoolbell) so some of string is seen in nepali otherwise hard to see from only schooltool.po | 08:22 |
| Bhaskar | So please suggest me , how to proceed further. | 08:22 |
| carlos | hmm | 08:23 |
| carlos | well, we don't handle those templates directly | 08:24 |
| carlos | Schooltool developers do | 08:24 |
| carlos | so they decided to use that layout | 08:24 |
| carlos | from what I see there | 08:24 |
| carlos | seems like the template you should work on is https://launchpad.net/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool | 08:24 |
| carlos | at least is the latest one | 08:25 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: did you try to ask at #schooltool ? | 08:26 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: i have many try with them but could not get proper ideas from there | 08:27 |
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| carlos | Bhaskar: then, could you try to contact with someone from https://launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners (except for Mark Shuttleworth) ? | 08:29 |
| carlos | they are the ones using launchpad for Schooltool so they should give you a hint on it. | 08:29 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:i also used https://launchpad.net/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool but not success, see i have translated | 08:30 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: how do you try to use those translations? | 08:31 |
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| Bhaskar | carlos: simply i have translated in launchpad, download po and mo file then compile with make update-translations | 08:33 |
| carlos | oh, so you put it back into your schooltool tree | 08:33 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: I don't know how is that handled, did you check that it doesn't require that you add Nepali language to any Makefile ? | 08:35 |
| carlos | I'm assuming that you added that language and it didn't exist before in the SchoolTool tree | 08:35 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:i copy those files on src/schooltool/locales/ne/LC_MESSAGE/schooltool.po,schooltool.mo | 08:35 |
| Bhaskar | carlos> in configuration there is a provision to add language | 08:37 |
| carlos | I guess that means you added it, right? | 08:38 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:in schooltool.conf file you can add your language | 08:41 |
| carlos | that's on run time, right? | 08:41 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: so i also add my language :ne | 08:41 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: i set in default | 08:42 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: could you check that update-translations installed your translations into your system tree? | 08:42 |
| carlos | or are you executing it from the source code tree? | 08:42 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:ya | 08:42 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: make pudate-translations | 08:43 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:make update-translations | 08:43 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: then run localhost | 08:43 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: then no idea, sorry, you will need to check it with Schooltool developers... | 08:44 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:there is 3 templates, which one to be used? | 08:45 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: from my point of view the '2006' one | 08:45 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:but i think this template not containing all the string | 08:47 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: then it's a problem with SchoolTool developers that didn't upload latest template from their source tree | 08:47 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:i think so | 08:48 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: are you doing work in schooltool | 08:48 |
| carlos | no, I'm not | 08:49 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: where r u from | 08:49 |
| carlos | I'm just a Launchpad developer and helped them to use Rosetta to handle translations | 08:49 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: from Spain | 08:49 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:i think in spain the schooltool project is ongoing, have u any info about this | 08:51 |
| carlos | no, sorry. I'm not in touch of anyone deploying it | 08:52 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: ok | 08:53 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: are u programmer.... | 08:53 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: yes | 08:53 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: c c++ java, python which one ???? | 08:54 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: me also | 08:55 |
| carlos | C and Python, but also have knowledge of java | 08:55 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: are u engineer | 08:56 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: how can i start to learn python, share me ideas | 08:56 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html | 08:58 |
| carlos | that's a tutorial to introduce yourself in python | 08:58 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: for schooltool customization i need the programming skill in python | 08:59 |
| carlos | right | 09:00 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: where are u working? | 09:02 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: in Canonical | 09:03 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:well , i think u are also engineer | 09:03 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: what type of project are in canonical | 09:04 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: launchpad.net | 09:05 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: well , so u know the launchpad template for translation, | 09:06 |
| carlos | Bhaskar: there is not such template (yet) | 09:06 |
| Bhaskar | carlos: i mean schooltool template?? | 09:08 |
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| carlos | as I said, we helped them to import it into launchpad | 09:10 |
| carlos | but the SchoolTool developers are the ones that do the upload into our system | 09:10 |
| Bhaskar | carlos:why this is happening? | 09:12 |
| carlos | what? | 09:13 |
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| === ..[topic/#launchpad:matthewrevell] : Developer meeting: Thu 11 Jan 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
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| jamesh | spiv: bazaar/launchpad meeting? | 10:03 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: Do you have time for a call today? | 10:04 |
| jamesh | matthewrevell: sure. But I've got one meeting now and another next hour. | 10:04 |
| jamesh | some time after that? | 10:04 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: Yeah, that sounds great, thanks. I've just got a few questions about the Zope migration. | 10:05 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: Do you want to ping me when you're available? | 10:05 |
| static | hey stub, bug 76854 has me modifying trusted.sql to teach the stored procedure for validating URLs about the bzr+ssh scheme. Is there any special technique for modifying this code so that it goes into production smoothly? | 10:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 76854 in launchpad-bazaar "Launchpad does not understand bzr+ssh: urls" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76854 - Assigned to Elliot Murphy (emurphy) | 10:05 |
| jamesh | matthewrevell: sure. | 10:06 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: Thank you :) | 10:06 |
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| xdatap | hi there | 10:15 |
| xdatap | there's any launchpad admin here? | 10:15 |
| xdatap | today karma calculation don't work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/78411 | 10:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78411 in launchpad "Arithmetic error on Karma calculating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 10:18 |
| spiv | jamesh: already? I'm getting forgetful in my old age... | 10:18 |
| jamesh | spiv: it is on irc.canonical.com | 10:19 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78411 in launchpad "Arithmetic error on Karma calculating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78411 | 10:25 |
| lifeless | review meeting in 32 minutes | 10:28 |
| matthewrevell | xdatap: I'll see if I can find an answer for you. | 10:29 |
| xdatap | matthewrevell: ok :) | 10:30 |
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| Bhaskar | jinty:hello | 10:41 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78415 in rosetta "UTC_NOW usage for review and translation time broken for submission with errors" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78415 | 10:45 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, hi | 10:49 |
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| Bhaskar | jinty: i have mailed you about all problems that i found when localization | 10:50 |
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| cprov | good morning ! | 10:51 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: pls discuss with your team | 10:52 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, I have about 100 mails in my inbox, it might take a little time. Most discussions happen on the mailing lists, you might get a better response posting there. | 10:53 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: well i will poste there | 10:54 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, great! | 10:55 |
| Bhaskar | jinty:well we always follow your suggestion | 10:55 |
| lifeless | review meeting in 2 minutes | 10:58 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: make well planning for better improvement on schooltool | 10:59 |
| lifeless | who is here for the review meeting? | 11:02 |
| BjornT | me | 11:02 |
| spiv | me | 11:02 |
| lifeless | == Agenda == | 11:02 |
| lifeless | * Roll call | 11:02 |
| lifeless | * Next meeting | 11:02 |
| lifeless | * Queue status. | 11:02 |
| lifeless | * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick | 11:02 |
| jamesh | me | 11:03 |
| SteveA | hi | 11:04 |
| lifeless | I'll be a little disorganised tonight, my laptop is fucked and I'm using lynnes | 11:05 |
| lifeless | sorry | 11:05 |
| lifeless | ok, next meeting - we've now got a idea of reviewers availability | 11:06 |
| lifeless | I have not analyzed that to see if we have another, better slot yet. | 11:06 |
| lifeless | * Queue Status | 11:07 |
| lifeless | right now, we've got post holiday backlog | 11:07 |
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| lifeless | I'm keeping all reviewers with 3 pending reviews, the backlog seems to be shrinking. | 11:08 |
| lifeless | any concerns or comments on the status? | 11:08 |
| spiv | Our developers should stop working so hard ;) | 11:08 |
| lifeless | I like that there are a lot of small branches. | 11:09 |
| spiv | That's true. | 11:09 |
| lifeless | I suggest that reviewers try to do 2 reviews a day until the backlog is gone | 11:09 |
| jamesh | okay | 11:10 |
| spiv | Sounds good. | 11:10 |
| lifeless | * quick branch review | 11:12 |
| lifeless | Any more ideas or thoughts in this area ? | 11:12 |
| jamesh | I've haven't looked at implementing the diff generation for multi-part branches in pending-reviews | 11:13 |
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| markvandenborre | is there a way to check the history of a launchpad team? | 11:14 |
| jamesh | when that's done it should make multi-stage branches easier to manage and review | 11:14 |
| lifeless | jamesh: cool. | 11:14 |
| lifeless | has anyone tried using interdiff to see how branches evolve ? | 11:14 |
| markvandenborre | I mean, like seeing when it started, when members were approved,... | 11:14 |
| jamesh | not really. | 11:14 |
| lifeless | That was discussed in the november IIRC. | 11:15 |
| lifeless | should I send a reminder to the list ? | 11:15 |
| BjornT | i haven't used interdiff yet | 11:15 |
| spiv | Nor me. | 11:16 |
| SteveA | markvandenborre: there is the "members" page that tells you some of this, like when people joined. | 11:17 |
| markvandenborre | SteveA, thx | 11:17 |
| SteveA | markvandenborre: there isn't a page that gives a list of events in chronological order, though | 11:17 |
| lifeless | ok, I'm very interested in whether it works for you or not, because this will influence what thumper is asked to do in the review module for launchpad | 11:18 |
| lifeless | so, please start saving the diff you review locally, and playing with interdiff - for reviews that you bounce for further work. | 11:18 |
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| lifeless | is that ok ? | 11:19 |
| BjornT | lifeless: are you interested to know whether interdiff works, or whether reviewing only changes made since the last time works ok? | 11:20 |
| lifeless | BjornT: I'm interested in whether you prefer: | 11:20 |
| BjornT | lifeless: people usually sends a diff of the changes the did, which makes it a lot easier to review. and since they send the diff, i haven't bothered with interdiff yet. | 11:20 |
| lifeless | * seeing the old merge-diff and the new-merge-diff or | 11:21 |
| spiv | I record the revno in the subject of my review emails, for similar reasons. | 11:21 |
| lifeless | * seeing the incremental diff on the branch - which may include changes from trunk | 11:21 |
| lifeless | * seeing the new work done on the branch (via interdiff) gives you the best basis to work from | 11:21 |
| BjornT | lifeless: i definitely prefer the last option, seeing the new work done. that's how i usually review today (without interdiff, though) | 11:22 |
| lifeless | Now we can do even more fancy work with bzr to get new-on-branch without trunk and so forth, but interdiff is essentially a cheaper version of that | 11:22 |
| SteveA | I like the idea of reviewees being responsible for their own diffs | 11:23 |
| BjornT | for large branches with a lot of review comments i sometimes do a full re-review of the new diff, though. | 11:23 |
| lifeless | BjornT: right. So I guess I'm speculating that we've got folk sending these diffs ni by hand, because we dont have a workflow for the reviewers to generate that. | 11:23 |
| SteveA | because I think reviewees should self-review before asking for a code review | 11:23 |
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| SteveA | that shows pride in one's own code, and means that code reviewers aren't wasting time reviewing simple things | 11:24 |
| SteveA | like print / debug statements left in code, or lack of appropriate docstrings | 11:24 |
| lifeless | SteveA: I agree with the self-review consideration. We need to consider how the review-in-launchpad mechanism will work for this too though. | 11:24 |
| spiv | SteveA makes a good point. I know I like to at least skim my diffs before sending them for review. | 11:24 |
| SteveA | I encourage reviewers to simply send back reviews that have obvious issues like this | 11:24 |
| SteveA | and ask for the code to be self-reviewed before submitting again | 11:25 |
| lifeless | imagine in launchpad, that when you say 'I'd like a review now', it offers you the current new-on-branch diff - the interdiff - to vet, before it gets sent to a reviewer. | 11:25 |
| lifeless | thats encoding this best practice of self review. | 11:25 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78418 in launchpad-bazaar "mark products that officially use Bazaar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78418 | 11:25 |
| jamesh | okay. | 11:25 |
| jamesh | I guess we should try out interdiff to see whether it does the job then. | 11:26 |
| lifeless | SteveA: I think we are in agreement on what good review practice is. I also encourage reviewers to simply bounce obviously un-self-reviewed code. | 11:26 |
| lifeless | ok. any new business? | 11:27 |
| SteveA | lifeless: I think there should be a "do a self review, and how to" on the agenda of the next lp meeting | 11:28 |
| lifeless | SteveA: I agree. | 11:28 |
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| lifeless | jamesh: Can I ask you to present that ? | 11:28 |
| jamesh | lifeless: okay. | 11:28 |
| jamesh | will you add the item to the agenda, or should I? | 11:29 |
| SteveA | added | 11:29 |
| jamesh | thanks. | 11:29 |
| lifeless | thank you all for coming. And happy new year! | 11:30 |
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| jamesh | matthewrevell: I'm getting some dinner now. I'll ping you about the call afterwards | 11:31 |
| matthewrevell | matthewrevell: thanks | 11:31 |
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| seb128 | hum | 11:48 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/malone/nnnnn stopped working? | 11:48 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: i think there are incomplete strings in template in schooltool template, please | 11:55 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, specifically, which strings? | 11:55 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: i think there are missing of strings in schooltool main template | 11:56 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, could you give an example of a specific string? | 11:57 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: i will send a list in mailing list tomorrow, i am finding some... | 11:58 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, thanks, that's exactly what we need. | 11:59 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: I always help for schooltool team | 12:00 |
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| Bhaskar | jinty: we are going to deploy, so we are in speed in localization of schooltool | 12:01 |
| Bhaskar | jinty: see i have translate all the template provided by launchpad.net | 12:01 |
| jamesh | matthewrevell: ping. | 12:02 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: pong | 12:02 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: SteveA was hoping to join us but he's afk for a bit. | 12:02 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: I understand it's getting late where you are | 12:02 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: How long are you around? | 12:02 |
| jamesh | matthewrevell: yeah. we can wait | 12:02 |
| jamesh | it's 8pm now -- not too late | 12:02 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh: Ah, nice one :) | 12:02 |
| jinty | Bhaskar, I see, it's a very good first step:) | 12:03 |
| Bhaskar | jinty:thanks, i need help from your team for customization of schooltool | 12:03 |
| jamesh | matthewrevell: I've got two more hours of overlap than the eastern states guys | 12:03 |
| lifeless | cause we're lame | 12:04 |
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| jamesh | seb128: use https://launchpad.net/bugs/nnnnn | 12:24 |
| seb128 | jamesh: ok, thank you | 12:24 |
| jamesh | that's the URL Ubugtu has been pasting since forever :) | 12:24 |
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| jamesh | SteveA: l, | 12:34 |
| jamesh | SteveA: please ping when you're ready for the call | 12:34 |
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| salgado | matthewrevell, around? | 12:53 |
| matthewrevell | salgado: I'll be available in five mins, I'll ping you | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | matthewrevell: email works now, thanks :) | 12:56 |
| jamesh | salgado: the openning hours of your embassy in Canberra suck | 12:56 |
| matthewrevell | salgado: Hello, back now :) | 12:58 |
| matthewrevell | Hobbsee: Cool! Glad to hear it. | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 12:58 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78434 in launchpad "product page layout broken in konqueror" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78434 | 12:58 |
| SteveA | jamesh: ping | 01:01 |
| salgado | jamesh, that doesn't quite surprise me, but what are the openning hours? | 01:01 |
| jamesh | SteveA: we should do the call | 01:02 |
| salgado | matthewrevell, hello. I wanted to check you why some bugs are being tagged with fix-it-friday. is it just to make it easier for people to find bugs to fix on fridays? | 01:02 |
| jamesh | salgado: for visa enquiries, it is 9am to 11am eastern time, which corresponds to 7am to 9am western time | 01:03 |
| SteveA | salgado: to answer questions like this, look on the page about tagging bugs on help.launchpad.net | 01:03 |
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| SteveA | https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs | 01:03 |
| matthewrevell | salgado: Yeah. It's partly to help me track what people are working on, so I can report anything public-facing, and it's to help developers who are looking for something to do as part of FiF | 01:04 |
| SteveA | that page needs updating, as the fix-it-friday tag was approved last week | 01:04 |
| jamesh | SteveA/matthewrevell: who should host the skype call? | 01:05 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: I'll sort that | 01:05 |
| SteveA | done already | 01:05 |
| SteveA | I'll host the call | 01:05 |
| SteveA | and I'll call now | 01:05 |
| salgado | matthewrevell, ah, I see. I asked because bug 66787 and bug 2422 were tagged but they're not actually f-i-f bugs --they were fixed as part of some refactoring and/or fixing of other bigger bugs | 01:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66787 in launchpad "Membership emails need cleaning up" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66787 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) | 01:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2422 in launchpad "A (non-team) person can still set an emblem" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2422 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) | 01:06 |
| matthewrevell | jamesh, SteveA: Yet again, Skype is causing me problems and is ignoring my headset | 01:06 |
| SteveA | ok, I'll try calling you again | 01:06 |
| SteveA | do you want to do the echo test first? | 01:07 |
| SteveA | ping me when you're ready | 01:07 |
| matthewrevell | matthewrevell: yeah, just a sec | 01:07 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: I'm going to have to restart Gnome, back in a minute. | 01:10 |
| SteveA | matthewrevell: ! | 01:10 |
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| matthewrevell | SteveA: Okay, it seems to be working now. | 01:15 |
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| kiko | Fujitsu, ping? | 03:57 |
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| Hobbsee | kiko: likely asleep. it's 2am here | 04:04 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, you guys need to get a 10 hour DST shift or something. | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: haha, yes, i wish. timezones *suck* | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: but then it would be dark in the middle of the day :( | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | or so | 04:07 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, the swedes can take it, so can you. :-P | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:07 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78451 in malone "no way to unmark a bug as affecting upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78451 | 04:20 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78452 in launchpad "database import policy violation in ftpmaster" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78452 | 04:25 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78454 in launchpad "polls workflow when not voting is surprising" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78454 | 04:35 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78458 in malone "quoted phrase search has false positives" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78458 | 04:50 |
| salgado | is there anything wrong with the new guided file-bug form? launchpad is taking ages to process it | 04:53 |
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| SteveA | matthewrevell: ping | 04:54 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: Hi | 04:54 |
| SteveA | matthewrevell: I'm just chatting to Theuni | 04:54 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: Ah, cool. | 04:54 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: in zope3-dev? | 04:55 |
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| SteveA | privmsg, but maybe you can talk with him in zope3-dev | 04:55 |
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| SteveA | LarstiQ: ping | 04:59 |
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| LarstiQ | SteveA: pong | 05:02 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78464 in launchpad "gina tests fail in Edgy on AMD64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78464 | 05:36 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78465 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "doctest failures provide misleading diffs of the failure" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78465 | 05:45 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78466 in soyuz "FTPArchiveHandler doesn't support allowed_suites" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78466 | 05:50 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #78471 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "make check should also report on XXX comments in the code" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78471 | 05:50 |
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| matthewrevell | Can anyone look at bug 2796? | 06:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2796 in malone "Remove constraint on marking duplicates of duplicates" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2796 | 06:24 |
| matthewrevell | Sorry, ticket 2796 | 06:24 |
| matthewrevell | matsubara: Who would you recommend for me to ask to look at support ticket 2796? | 06:25 |
| matthewrevell | https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2796 | 06:26 |
| kiko | I feel like rejecting bug 2796. | 06:26 |
| kiko | is it still an issue? | 06:26 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Sorry, I mistakenly typed "bug" rather than "support ticket". | 06:27 |
| kiko | I know | 06:27 |
| kiko | but you reminded me | 06:27 |
| matthewrevell | kiko: Why do we prevent people from marking bugs as a duplicate of a duplicate? | 06:27 |
| kiko | no need to be sorry I always can handle typos gracefully | 06:28 |
| matthewrevell | :) | 06:28 |
| kiko | matthewrevell, because having a single master is very valuable | 06:28 |
| LarstiQ | can't it redirect to master? | 06:28 |
| kiko | LarstiQ, you can easily find out how many dupes the master has, for instance | 06:28 |
| kiko | finding that out with dupes of dupes is non-SQL-able | 06:28 |
| kiko | there are other advantages but that's an immediate one | 06:28 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: I mean, when someone tries to dupe a dupe, make it a dupe of the master instead | 06:28 |
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| kiko | we do that now IIRC (we didn't before, when the bug was filed) | 06:29 |
| LarstiQ | ah ok | 06:29 |
| kiko | I will confirm in 30m | 06:29 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: got my calendar forward? | 06:29 |
| matsubara | matthewrevell: I linked that ticket to bug 2141. You can ask stub to remove it from the db. | 06:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141 | 06:30 |
| matthewrevell | matsubara: Thanks. | 06:30 |
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| carlos | see you tomorrow! | 07:17 |
| somerville32 | Did launchpad update recently? Did they send out an e-mail? | 07:52 |
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| kiko | somerville32, I will send one this week | 08:08 |
| somerville32 | kiko: k, thanks :] | 08:09 |
| mdke | kiko: are you still going to do some stuff for the Fridge? or maybe pass the mantle onto Matt if you are too busy? | 08:11 |
| kiko | mdke, I will, it will all happen together | 08:15 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78501 in rosetta "Unable to find out date/time of last PO file modification" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78501 | 08:45 |
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| cr3 | how can I make it so that members of a team can have permissions when submitting bugs, like setting the "milestone" for example? | 08:49 |
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| mdke | cr3: "bug contacts" have permissions to change bug importance. Milestones are controlled by the product "driver", iirc | 08:53 |
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| Fujitsu | kiko: pong, if you're around | 10:34 |
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| cr3 | can I expect the tsearch2 extension for postgresql to be available on launchpad? which version is currently being used on launchpad, 8.1? | 10:41 |
| danilos | cr3: afaik, it's 8.1 (we had these discussions back in november, and 8.1 turned up as the one we use :)) | 10:48 |
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | uh, hi mpt :P | 11:02 |
| === mpt hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs mpt :) | ||
| mpt | It's a rainy morning, great for hacking | 11:04 |
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| somerville32 | \o_ | 11:08 |
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| mpt | kiko, are you available to deal with <https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2796>? | 11:16 |
| mpt | somerville32, are you directing traffic? | 11:17 |
| somerville32 | mpt: Of course :] | 11:17 |
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| mdke | mpt: no, only SteveA and stub can do it, I believe | 11:19 |
| mdke | matthewrevell forwarded my mail to stub for me | 11:19 |
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