[08:41] <dholbach> good morning
[01:15] <waxfactor2nd> hi
[01:15] <waxfactor2nd> help
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[01:15] <waxfactor2nd>  			 		 		 		 		hi ive just installed the nvidia driver via automatix but now i only can choose 640*480 in the screen resolution menu. this is a 1280*1024 screen so it is very anoying. how can i make it back to 1280*1024. it is a 6600gt and im running edgy
[01:15] <waxfactor2nd> hi can anyone help
[01:16] <Hobbsee> waxfactor2nd: try #ubuntu
[01:16] <Hobbsee> waxfactor2nd: this isnt the support channel
[01:16] <waxfactor2nd> sry
[01:48] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[01:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 09 Jan 06:00: Kubuntu Developers | 09 Jan 23:00: LoCo Team | 10 Jan 00:00: Forum Council | 10 Jan 05:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jan 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:22] <raphink> @schedule Paris
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 08 Jan 23:00: Kubuntu Developers | 09 Jan 16:00: LoCo Team | 09 Jan 17:00: Forum Council | 09 Jan 22:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu | 11 Jan 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:31] <ryanakca> @schedule toronto
[09:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 08 Jan 17:00: Kubuntu Developers | 09 Jan 10:00: LoCo Team | 09 Jan 11:00: Forum Council | 09 Jan 16:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu | 11 Jan 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:00] <toma> Hobbsee: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:01] <raphink> hop
[11:01] <Riddell> good morning Friends
[11:01] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[11:01] <toma> hi all
[11:01] <toma> hi Tonio_
[11:01] <raphink> hi Riddell
[11:01] <Zerlinna> hello all
[11:01] <mhb> hi everyone
[11:01] <Jucato> hi --all
[11:01] <fabo> hi all
[11:01] <Riddell> yes, lets do names, we have some new people
[11:01] <Hobbsee> hey toma!
[11:01] <raphink> who am I
[11:01] <Hobbsee> argh...phone was not on silent...
[11:01] <fdoving> hi.
[11:01] <kwwii> howdy guys and girls
[11:02] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[11:02] <Hobbsee> (yay for ircing from bed :P )
[11:02] <toma> wow, what a people
[11:02] <sebas> Impressive.
[11:02] <Lure> kubuntu team is growing - great!
[11:03] <Riddell> I think by the number of people we have contributing now, 2007 is going to be a great year for Kubuntu
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can we start from the bottom of our agenda?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed :)
[11:03] <jpiccolo> did herd1 get upgraded to a new version?
[11:03] <toma> Hobbsee: no
[11:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we could start with memberships
[11:03] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[11:03] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:03] <toma> before i vote on others, let others vote on me
[11:03] <Hobbsee> even better idea
[11:03] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe
[11:03] <Hobbsee> jpiccolo: no
[11:03] <raphink> that's a guess toma
[11:03] <Riddell> ok, we'll do toma first
[11:04] <raphink> :)
[11:04] <Tonio_> yup
[11:04] <toma> raphink: yep ;-)
[11:04] <Riddell> toma: care to introduce your item?
[11:04] <ryanakca> back
[11:04] <toma> In may we started the kubuntu council. You asked me to take a seat for KDE. I accepted that, but made the remark that it was for half a year instead of a year.
[11:04] <toma> So now is the question up, do I stay in the council or not.
[11:04] <toma> I can not say I've done a lot for kubuntu the last couple months, but i've been around a lot and that's what Riddell asked me to do for that seat.
[11:04] <toma> I don't expect any changes in my activities, so if you think that's fine, I'm happy to stay for the remaining months. But i can also understand if you want to swap with someone else, there are other great kde people in the channel regulary.... Who also do more for Kubuntu then I do at this moment.
[11:04] <toma> Normally I would now leave this room so you can discuss it, but that does not make any sense....
[11:04] <Owdgit> lets get on with meeting
[11:04] <Tonio_> toma: first point is : what is your wish about that ?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Owdgit: ....people are thinking and reading
[11:05] <Riddell> I can't remember what we said the full term would be for kubuntu council people
[11:05] <toma> 1 year
[11:05] <Hobbsee> 12 months
[11:05] <toma> Tonio_: ?
[11:05] <Tonio_> toma: yes ? it is not obvious that you would like to continue :)
[11:05] <raphink> toma: do you wish to stay or give the responsability to someone else?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> who's on the kcc at the moment, sorry?  /me looks on LP
[11:06] <toma> Tonio_: well, the job description is not that clear, so I'm not so sure i'm doing The Right Thing, or that you expect more from me
[11:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council/+members
[11:06] <Hobbsee> found it :)
[11:06] <Riddell> which says it started in August, but that can't be right
[11:06] <Owdgit> sorry thought this was a ubuntu meeting
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes...we got the LP team a lot later
[11:06] <manchicken> (where's the bleedin' sound-track to this meeting?)
[11:06] <raphink> Hobbsee: i think it hasn't changed since it was founded
[11:06] <Tonio_> toma: I don't expect more at all
[11:07] <Hobbsee> raphink: the team, or the job descriptoin?
[11:07] <raphink> Owdgit: this is a kubuntu meeting
[11:07] <toma> Tonio_: so if I'm not doing enough, i'm happy if someone else takes my seat
[11:07] <raphink> Hobbsee: the team
[11:07] <toma> Tonio_: ok
[11:07] <Hobbsee> ah, yes
[11:07] <Tonio_> toma: I just would like to know if you'd be happy to continue, or if you think someone else would be better to rotate the positions :)
[11:07] <Lure> toma: you are fine - most of kcc work was anyhow membership (which were not that many anyhow)
[11:07] <Tonio_> toma: there is nothing hidden in that question
[11:08] <Lure> toma: I would suggest that we approve you for another 6 month and then we can reshuffle whole kcc
[11:08] <toma> Tonio_: I would love to stay, unless you expect more than what I do now.
[11:08] <Owdgit> toma: looks like you are out!
[11:08] <Tonio_> Lure: that's exactly my feeling
[11:08] <raphink> good idea Lure
[11:08] <kwwii> I agree as well
[11:09] <Riddell> Owdgit: please be quiet
[11:09] <Tonio_> toma: no you've done it, been there everytime, that's all we expect I think
[11:09] <raphink> same here
[11:10] <Hobbsee> of course, the question of "who would want to be on this team" is a good one
[11:10] <raphink> I'm happy to keep toma if he wants to
[11:10] <Riddell> if we started the kubuntu council in May I propose we keep toma on until may and review the council membership then
[11:10] <allee> toma++
[11:10] <Owdgit> Riddell: Why?
[11:10] <Riddell> toma: are you happy with that?
[11:10] <Tonio_> +1 for me
[11:10] <Hobbsee> Owdgit: because you're disrupting the meeting
[11:10] <freeflying> toma: +1
[11:10] <somerville32> +1
[11:10] <raphink> Owdgit: because this meeting is supposed to be constructive
[11:10] <sebas> toma++
[11:10] <toma> oki! thanks guys
[11:10] <fdoving> toma++
[11:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the only other person, currently, who i'd think for being on the kcc is Lure, but i dont know how he feels on such things
[11:11] <raphink> I agree with Hobbsee too
[11:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think we should save him for May :)
[11:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup, he'd be an ideal candidate in May
[11:11] <Hobbsee> that, and that i think that getting ideas into kubuntu is pretty easy, you dont have to be on the kcc to do it.
[11:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:12] <raphink> :)
[11:12] <Riddell> of course not, the council is just some people we trust to make good decisions when we have something that needs a vote
[11:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup the kcc is only there to take debating decisions
[11:12] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks for support, but no hurry ;-)
[11:12] <Tonio_> s/take/make (english horrible today sorry)
[11:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: exactly
[11:12] <Riddell> let's move on to memberships
[11:12] <ryanakca> :)
[11:12] <Riddell> Zerlinna: care to go first?
[11:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: most of us will understand horrible english as opposed to french :P
[11:13] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ok :)
[11:13] <Zerlinna> Riddell: should I just paste my introduction?
[11:13] <Riddell> Zerlinna: please do
[11:13] <Zerlinna> My name is Mirjam Wckerlin and I'm swiss living Germany. I'm the team contact for the growing German Kubuntu Community at www.kubuntu-de.net. I presented Kubuntu at events (like LinuxTag 2006 in Germany) and did various translations like the translation of UWN (from issue 24) into German, or the French translation of the official Kubuntu Flyer. I also help in the german forum and write a blog with howtos and news about kubuntu since
[11:13] <Zerlinna> October 2005. In the future, I plan to apply with the German Kubuntu Community as an official loco-team, doing more events and translations, help people in getting involved and support women in linux as a member of Ubuntu Women.
[11:13] <Zerlinna> my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirjamWaeckerlin and launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~waeckerlin
[11:15] <Riddell> it's often surprising how much of a community we have over in #kubuntu-de
[11:15] <kwwii> considering all the problems it really is amazing
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, kde may help on that point :)
[11:15] <fdoving> .de likes kde :)
[11:15] <Riddell> and it's great to have someone from there around in #kubuntu-devel to keep us in contact
[11:15] <Zerlinna> Riddell: the forums at kubuntu-de.net has over 5000 registered useres, and we have a team of 20 very active members (growing)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> wow
[11:16] <Riddell> very impressive
[11:16] <sebas> Wow.
[11:16] <sebas> Ow, I know half of them ;-)
[11:16] <raphink> haha
[11:16] <Riddell> well, I've met Zerlinna, anyone else have questions?
[11:16] <ryanakca> nice, lol
[11:16] <raphink> I'm happy with Zerlinna's work
[11:16] <sebas> I've briefly met her at Linuxtag, I think
[11:16] <kwwii> I support Zerlinna as well
[11:16] <raphink> she's a lively supporter of Kubuntu and open-source in general
[11:16] <raphink> :)
[11:16] <Zerlinna> sebas: you did :)
[11:16] <Lure> Zerlinna has very useful kubuntu oriented blog - would be nice to have it on Planet Ubuntu (when she become member)
[11:16] <sebas> Right, at the exit?
[11:16] <Tonio_> same for me, I had the pleasure to meet you at linuxtag and know your work
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: what were some of the challenges to get your mother switched to kubuntu, and how did you overcome them?
[11:17] <Lure> not many kobuntu blog entries there
[11:17] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: the biggest challenge was to convice my dad that she wouldn't have problems with it
[11:17] <Hobbsee> oh yeah.  blog on planet.  *adds to todo*
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: interesting
[11:18] <sebas> Are Ubuntu Member entitled to be aggregated via planet.ubuntu or isn't that formalised?
[11:18] <Riddell> sebas: they are yes
[11:18] <Riddell> the planet config is held in bzr that members can write to
[11:18] <sebas> Then why is planet.ubuntu more or less completely not planet.kubuntu?
[11:19] <kwwii> hehe
[11:19] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: I just conviced them by installing ichthux and promsising them that I would reinstall windows if they didn't like it :)
[11:19] <Riddell> Zerlinna get a +1 from me for great community leadership
[11:19] <allee> Zerlinna++
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: ahhh....smart.  scary for the idea of promising to reinstall windows though...
[11:19] <kwwii> sebas: why does kubuntu.de have so much support and no loco team? (we'll get the that later)
[11:19] <Tonio_> +1 for me too
[11:19] <toma> Zerlinna: What's the secret plan to get more get people involved?
[11:20] <sebas> toma: KDE4 :P
[11:20] <raphink> haha
[11:20] <raphink> sebas: when is that?
[11:20] <Tonio_> sebas: ;)
[11:20] <toma> Sebas: Glad you did not say kde4.0 ;-)
[11:20] <manchicken> My wife switched to kubuntu.
[11:20] <Hobbsee> speaking of kde4...the guides for new devs are great, just need more added to them :)
[11:20] <manchicken> Once you get them over the initial "mysteriousness" of trying another operating system, it's pretty easy.
[11:21] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: have a link?
[11:21] <raphink> the least used to windows they are, the easiest to switch to linux manchicken
[11:21] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: to my blog?  developernew.kde.org
[11:21] <Tonio_> manchicken: yeah it was the same problem with my gf
[11:21] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Except that Qt designer for Qt4 doesn't import .glade files, and there's no info anywhere on how to do that.
[11:21] <Riddell> I think that's a positive vote for Zerlinna, congratulations
[11:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ah
[11:21] <Tonio_> once she admitted not only windows was able to run the computer, everything was very easy
[11:21] <allee> Zerlinna: congrats
[11:21] <fdoving> congrats zerlinna. :)
[11:21] <Zerlinna> thank you  :D
[11:21] <Riddell> let's not get too far off topic
[11:21] <raphink> welcome on board, Zerlinna
[11:21] <Tonio_> Zerlinna: welcome aboard
[11:22] <manchicken> Yay Zerlinna!
[11:22] <Hobbsee> yay Zerlinna :)
[11:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: you're up next
[11:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can we do loco teams, or is that up to the CC?
[11:22] <mhb> Zerlinna: congrats
[11:22] <ryanakca> ooh, great :)
[11:22] <Lure> Zerlinna: congrat - and please add your blog to Planet Ubuntu
[11:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: CC
[11:22] <Hobbsee> right
[11:22] <ryanakca> btw, congrats Zerlinna
[11:22] <freeflying> Zerlinna: congrats
[11:22] <ryanakca> My name is Ryan Kavanagh and I'm a canadian student. I'm a member of QA, founded the Classroom along with NUN, and am an active teacher. I have also done some translation into french on Rosetta, helped install kubuntu on some computers and the owners out with any difficulties they had. I have a couple packages uploaded, and am currently working on one. I would like to package some more KDE apps, maybe help with a bit of programming (I'm
[11:22] <ryanakca> learning python). I would like to continue bug triaging and running Classroom.
[11:22] <ryanakca> My Wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh and my launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/~ryanakca
[11:22] <Zerlinna> Lure I'll love to :)
[11:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we can do whatever we want, it just depends on who you want to listen
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, right
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[11:23] <Riddell> oh la la, another francophone
[11:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: oui :)
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this one plays the bagpipes though :P
[11:24] <Tonio_> ryanakca: trs bonne nouvelle ca :)
[11:24] <manchicken> OOH!!  GPG tutorials are much needed.
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should think about switching the official language of #kubuntu-devel
[11:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/Creatively_Blocked-rec1.ogg
[11:24] <toma> ryanakca: can you tell a bit about ubuntu ca?
[11:24] <ryanakca> Tonio_: lol
[11:24] <manchicken> I love the little doccies.
[11:24] <mhb> ryanakca: how many is a couple (packages)?
[11:24] <raphink> ryanakca: that's a pretty good page :)
[11:24] <toma> qa
[11:24] <ryanakca> raphink: ty
[11:24] <raphink> mhb: I was told a couple is two
[11:25] <raphink> mhb: but so many things about changing aboug relationships it seems
[11:25] <Hobbsee> raphink: a couple is two, yes.
[11:25] <Hobbsee> a few is three or more
[11:25] <manchicken> ryanakca: GnuPG is a little tricky for folks who have never used encryption before.  My wife and I had a rough time setting it up in kopete.  More documentation would have been quite nice.  I'm glad to see someone's doing it.
[11:25] <ryanakca> toma: Ubuntu Ca recently became a LoCo team. They often meet at LinuxCaffe in Toronto (since, iirc, most members are in Toronto). However, since I live 3 hours away, I can't attend...
[11:25] <ryanakca> We also answer questions on out mailing list
[11:26] <mhb> raphink: I wanted to know the exact number, but if you say 2
[11:26] <ryanakca> manchicken: Oooh? never knew that you could use GPG in kopete...
[11:26] <fdoving> toma: qa? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa
[11:26] <raphink> yes you can ryanakca
[11:26] <toma> ryanakca: ok, want to know more, but thats ot ;-)
[11:26] <toma> fdoving: thnaks
[11:26] <manchicken> ryanakca: Yeah.  My wife and I use it when I'm in the office and we need to discuss banking things.
[11:26] <manchicken> ryanakca: It's a beautiful thing.
[11:26] <ryanakca> nice
[11:27] <manchicken> (which reminds me, I have to reimport her keys for her since the move from SuSE to kubuntu...)
[11:27] <ryanakca> https://launchpad.net/~ryanakca/+packages
[11:27] <raphink> so you have 3 packages
[11:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: interesting to see launchpad answers in use there, how well answered are queries on it?
[11:27] <raphink> how do you choose the packages you made?
[11:27] <raphink> s/made/make/
[11:27] <fabo> ryanakca: Try to merge Keep <- could you be more verbose ? :)
[11:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: queries on...
[11:28] <raphink> ryanakca: how do you choose the packages you make?
[11:28] <Lure> ryanakca packaged eqonomize which I use ;-)
[11:28] <fdoving> Riddell: not much kubuntu-specific questions.. i try to keep up with it too. :)
[11:28] <ryanakca> raphink: I choose stuff that I find would be usefull, eqonomize so that I can manage my money, or try to,
[11:28] <kwwii> for my part, I'll say that ryanakca has been active and helpful with art-related stuff
[11:29] <raphink> I see that you've been keeping your packages up-to-date ryanakca
[11:29] <raphink> ryanakca: do you also work with Debian for that?
[11:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: I mean does it get much use in general, and do questions usually get answered?
[11:29] <ryanakca> gnome-clipboard-daemon because people were complaining about not being able to keep clipboard stuff after they close your app (maybe it was fixed and it was just an old page, dunno), etc
[11:30] <ryanakca> raphink: I worked with djpig for doc-linux-html (he's in charge of the package for debian)
[11:30] <raphink> nice
[11:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry, not sure I understand what you mean... the support requests, like https://answers.launchpad.net/~ryanakca/+tickets ?
[11:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[11:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, they are used, not as much as forums or irc, but still used. From what I see, 8 questions / requests were created today, and yes, most get answered :) https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:32] <Riddell> groovy
[11:32] <ryanakca> :D
[11:32] <Tonio_> interesting
[11:32] <Riddell> ryanakca gets a +1 from me
[11:32] <raphink> +1 from me too
[11:32] <raphink> keep up the good work
[11:32] <allee> +1 too
[11:32] <ryanakca> raphink: will do
[11:32] <pinheiro> heya
[11:33] <toma> +1
[11:33] <Hobbsee> +1
[11:33] <Tonio_> +1 for me, based on good malone activity and qa in general
[11:33] <kwwii> +1
[11:33] <Zerlinna> +1
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: will the idea pool ever get anywhere?
[11:33] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: yes, I added a footnote just for you, just a sec, I'll paste it :)
[11:33] <Riddell> welcome to membership ryanakca
[11:33] <Tonio_> welcome aboard ryanakca
[11:33] <mhb> congratulations ryanakca
[11:33] <fdoving> congrats ryanakca :)
[11:33] <Riddell> probably the youngest member we have
[11:33] <raphink> well done ryanakca
[11:33] <manchicken> w00t for ryanakca!
[11:33] <Lure> ryanakca: congrats!
[11:33] <allee> ryanakca congrats
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ooh, it grew
[11:34] <freeflying> ryanakca: congrats
[11:34] <ryanakca> IdeaPool: From what I've been told, the idea pool is looked at relatively frequently. Most things in canonical are either what Canonical Mark wants and can pay for or what volunteers are willing to do. However, the saying "talk is cheap" can also be applied to adding something to a wiki. If suggestions aren't backed up with action, it is unlikely that they will be implemented. If someone has a really good idea that canonical would love or if
[11:34] <ryanakca> someone willing to implement something sees something great there, it might be implemented. ([WWW]  http://www.ubuntu.com/developers/bounties references IdeaPool)
[11:34] <fabo> ryanakca: congrats !
[11:34] <ryanakca> thanks!
[11:34] <Zerlinna> felicitations ryanakca ;)
[11:34] <kwwii> now he'll give us even more trouble about artwork!
[11:34] <kwwii> :p
[11:34] <ryanakca> merci Zerlinna
[11:34] <ryanakca> kwwii: lol, when does work on artwork start again? or has it already?
[11:34] <Zerlinna> kwwii: isn't that your problem? :P
[11:34] <toma> o and fdoving and nixternal: congrats on your svn kde accounts today !
[11:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: jpatrick
[11:34] <nixternal> oh shot
[11:34] <kwwii> ryanakca: nobody knows
[11:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think I am :)
[11:34] <nixternal> thanks toma
[11:34] <raphink> jpatrick is surely the youngest :)
[11:34] <nixternal> i totally forgot about the meeting :(
[11:34] <fdoving> toma: thanks, again :)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: *grin* - you're only 35 min late, dont worry :P
[11:35] <kwwii> nixternal: lazy americans
[11:35] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol
[11:35] <Riddell> anyone else wanting to be considered for membership today?
[11:35] <sebas> Uuh, I
[11:35] <raphink> hi nixternal :)
[11:35] <nixternal> hiya
[11:35] <nixternal> hahaha kwwii
[11:35] <allee> and congrats to Hobbsee and Tonio_ being now able to commit to kde-extras repo ;)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:35] <sebas> Didn't prepare anything, but I'm flexible :)
[11:35] <toma> sebas: go fot it
[11:35] <manchicken> Nice.
[11:35] <Riddell> sebas: do you have a wiki page?
[11:36] <sebas> Sure.
[11:36] <kwwii> sebas is my hero
[11:36] <manchicken> I've only got small kopete commits there ^_^
[11:36] <Tonio_> allee: ah ? :) I haven't been there for a month, we need to talk about that, I'm interested :)
[11:36] <manchicken> I ported the SMS plugin and a mod to the meta-contacts for KDE/Qt4.
[11:36] <manchicken> But that was a few months ago.
[11:36] <allee> Tonio_: sure!
[11:36] <sebas> I didn't add anything substantial on the wiki, or Launchpad other than that I'm working on guidance. I've got a website + blog at http://vizzzion.org though.
[11:36] <Riddell> sebas: what's your launchpad user name?
[11:36] <sebas> Working on Kubuntu since I ran into Riddell at FOSDEM three or so years ago.
[11:37] <Hobbsee> "bang...splat"
[11:37] <sebas> https://launchpad.net/~sebas-kde
[11:37] <fabo> half of kubuntu.de knows sebas ;)
[11:37] <Riddell> ooh, that was Le Roi, lots of quaffing there
[11:37] <nixternal> sebas: you aren't a member?
[11:37] <sebas> I'm not a member, right.
[11:37] <seaLne> nixternal: yeah thats what i thought :)
[11:37] <nixternal> holy smokes i did not know that
[11:37] <nixternal> i figured you were
[11:37] <sebas> I've got to admit that I do not join every meeting, only when time permits.
[11:38] <sebas> And I'm open for questions
[11:38] <nixternal> just like ryanakca and Zerlinna, i thought they were members already as well
[11:38] <sebas> Riddell: Right, when you told me that you were doing Kubuntu :-)
[11:38] <Jucato> yeah me too... always presumed they were :)
[11:38] <nixternal> man i am so out of touch :)
[11:38] <Zerlinna> lol nixternal
[11:39] <nixternal> congrats Zerlinna btw on your membership!
[11:39] <manchicken> heh
[11:39] <toma> i can add that sebas is a great and respected member of KDE and I think he is a great guy.
[11:39] <Riddell> I know sebas well, I don't really have any questions
[11:39] <Zerlinna> nixternal: thanks :)
[11:39] <nixternal> didn't sebas take a punch as well for the love of Kubuntu at the Paris sprint?
[11:39] <nixternal> :)
[11:39] <Riddell> I suspect most people know sebas well
[11:39] <kwwii> he saved my life!!!!
[11:39] <nixternal> see
[11:39] <allee> yes
[11:39] <nixternal> +1000000
[11:39] <Riddell> nixternal: no, he took a kick in the face
[11:39] <nixternal> ;p
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, no question for me
[11:39] <pinheiro> sebas rules
[11:39] <nixternal> haha Riddell
[11:39] <sebas> Wow :o
[11:40] <Tonio_> he has been so helpfull till now..........
[11:40] <nixternal> i dont' think i can vote though, but i did :)
[11:40] <Riddell> so +1 for saving the entire kubuntu development team from Paris race riots
[11:40] <toma> sebas: +1, but you need to fill the wiki ;-)
[11:40] <fabo> sebas++
[11:40] <allee> +1
[11:40] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:40] <Hobbsee> +1
[11:40] <kwwii> but make him shave if he wants to join
[11:40] <Tonio_> sebas: obviously +1 for me
[11:40] <raphink> +1
[11:40] <Hobbsee> sebas: protect us in spain too please :P
[11:40] <nixternal> congrats sebas!!!
[11:40] <Tonio_> sebas: membership is better than a kick in the face !
[11:40] <nixternal> lol
[11:40] <Riddell> congratulations sebas
[11:40] <allee> sebas: please sign CoC
[11:40] <raphink> Tonio_: I'm going to write that somewhere
[11:40] <nixternal> who's next?
[11:40] <Riddell> anyone else going for membership?
[11:40] <sebas> Merci (to use the new official language :P)
[11:41] <nixternal> Riddell: are you a member?
[11:41] <mhb> congratulations sebas
[11:41] <sebas> allee: ok
[11:41] <nixternal> +1 Riddell
[11:41] <nixternal> ;p
[11:41] <Zerlinna> sebas trs bien ;)
[11:41] <raphink> long time without a post on my blog, your sentence migth be a good subject Tonio_
[11:41] <Tonio_> sebas: bienvenue  bord !
[11:41] <sebas> toma: will do.
[11:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I was the first ubuntu member
[11:41] <manchicken> heh
[11:41] <nixternal> hehe
[11:41] <manchicken> Very nice
[11:41] <toma> sebas: congrats
[11:41] <sebas> C'est une honoire (or something)
[11:41] <manchicken> heh
[11:41] <Tonio_> sebas: honneur
[11:41] <raphink> c'est un plaisir de t'accueillir parmi nous sebas
[11:41] <Tonio_> sebas: that's a good start
[11:41] <toma> anyone else?
[11:41] <allee> congrats sebas
[11:41] <Riddell> let's get on with the agenda then
[11:42] <Tonio_> yup
[11:42] <manchicken> Righto.
[11:42] <Riddell> we have quite a few items, so stay focused folks
[11:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you want to do it in reverse or something?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, so my stuff's when i'm a little more awake
[11:42] <Riddell> kwwii: ready with your item?
[11:43] <kwwii> yepp
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: tell us about it
[11:44] <kwwii> basically, I would like to know what is keeping the de team from going loco
[11:44] <kwwii> it seems that the answer seems to be "why not do it on ubuntu.de"
[11:44] <nixternal> from going crazy?
[11:44] <kwwii> hehe
[11:44] <kwwii> LoCo
[11:44] <nixternal> isn't there a DE LoCo already?
[11:44] <kwwii> a mailing list was denied as well
[11:45] <Riddell> I list any sane kubuntu loco group on kubuntu.org/support.php
[11:45] <fdoving> nixternal: kubuntu LoCo i belive?
[11:45] <nixternal> seeing as I am somehow an admin for the LoCo Enthusiasts group (thanks jono)
[11:45] <Zerlinna> Riddell: true, but then we're not considerated as an "official" team
[11:45] <nixternal> hrmm, Chicago LoCo is an Ubuntu team, but we promote all of the *buntus
[11:45] <Zerlinna> Riddell: e.g. for the shipping
[11:45] <Riddell> and so far that's been fine, most kubuntu local groups are happy working with various levels of indepencence from the ubuntu group, but usually not much
[11:46] <kwwii> well, the domain is being denied them (Julius says it is Jono saying no because it is not official)
[11:46] <kwwii> so how can we make it official?
[11:46] <Riddell> kwwii: they domain is being transfered, the sysadmin did the icann thing today
[11:46] <kwwii> ahhhh...cool :-)
[11:46] <nixternal> jono has to make it official
[11:46] <Riddell> so we'll get that soon (fingers crossed)
[11:46] <kwwii> then I will shut up
[11:46] <nixternal> for LoCo stuff
[11:46] <nixternal> well there you go :)
[11:47] <Riddell> but germany clearly has a separate kubuntu group from the ubuntu one, and I think it's worth having that clarified to stop stuff like the kubuntu-de.org domain squatting
[11:47] <kwwii> when I talked to Julius today we got into a bit of a fight about it
[11:47] <kwwii> ie. I pissed him off
[11:47] <kwwii> then again, who can't I piss off?
[11:47] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I think it would be cool to have a real official kubuntu-team
[11:48] <Riddell> as I said earlier, we can declaire it at this meeting, but that won't make anybody listen who doesn't already care
[11:48] <kwwii> cool, we'll see what happens...if not I'll bring it up again :-)
[11:48] <Riddell> so it really needs to go to the ubuntu community council
[11:48] <Riddell> I'd certainly support having kubuntu-de as an official loco group
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: we should ask Ubuntu CC if KCC can approve Kubuntu LoCo's
[11:49] <Riddell> I wonder when the next community council meeting is
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: that would only make sense
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: ubuntu CC is currently up in the air - doesnt have people on it
[11:49] <Zerlinna> Riddell: the problem begins already with the mailing-list.. I made a request for a kubuntu-de@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when we were going to meet - tomorrow
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Riddell: tomorrow i think
[11:49] <Riddell> ooh, it's tomorrow
[11:49] <Zerlinna> Riddell: and the answer was about "why don't you stick with ubuntu-de"
[11:50] <Riddell> Zerlinna: that is interesting, and something we should fix
[11:50] <toma> yes
[11:50] <fdoving> Zerlinna: and you asked why don't you mix kubuntu-users@ and ubuntu-users@ ? :)
[11:50] <Riddell> so we need someone to propose it to the community council meeting tomorrow
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Riddell: tomorrow at 21:00 UTC
[11:50] <sebas> It's not a good thing rejecting something simple as a mailinglist for an important loco team.
[11:50] <Zerlinna> fdoving: I didn't reply yet ;)
[11:50] <Riddell> Zerlinna: fancy being that someone?
[11:50] <toma> sebas: indeed
[11:50] <Riddell> sebas: KDE does it too by the way
[11:51] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I think I have to ;)
[11:51] <sebas> Riddell: Rejecting lists for local teams?
[11:51] <toma> Riddell: deny ml's?
[11:51] <Riddell> sebas: yes, sysadmin denied me kde-gb
[11:51] <nixternal> hehe
[11:51] <sebas> Last five lists I asked sysadmin for, I got
[11:51] <toma> eeks
[11:51] <sebas> Riddell: Strange.
[11:51] <Zerlinna> sebas the argumentation was like a) resource costs b) it makes it harder for users to find the answers/help/support they need
[11:51] <sebas> I can bring that up though (ot here)
[11:52] <Riddell> Zerlinna: could you put it on the community council agenda for tomorrow then
[11:53] <gnomefreak> put it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda?highlight=%28community%29
[11:53] <sebas> allee, toma: wiki + CoC done
[11:53] <Zerlinna> Riddell: sebas it was not a direct denial but he asked me if
[11:53] <Zerlinna> I considered using the existing ubuntu-de list and/or if there has been any discussion about creating this
[11:53] <Zerlinna> new list on the ubuntu-de list
[11:53] <Zerlinna> Riddell: gnomefreak ok I'll do that
[11:53] <toma> sebas: thanks
[11:53] <Riddell> great
[11:53] <sebas> Zerlinna: Doesn't sound too supportive either
[11:53] <Riddell> next item on the agenda
[11:53] <Zerlinna> sebas true!
[11:53] <Riddell> is mhb with kmilo looks
[11:53] <mhb> that's mine
[11:54] <mhb> Should we improve the looks of the kmilo volume up/down pop-up? (It appears when you use the laptop sound buttons, for instance.)
[11:54] <mhb> Some reference images and mockups are located at MartinBhm/Meetings/KmiloPopup.
[11:54] <mhb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/KmiloPopup
[11:54] <Lure> mhb: in edgy we thought to use similar stuff as amarok does, but did not do it due to time constraint
[11:54] <manchicken> What language is that?
[11:55] <Lure> mhb: I am all for having something better
[11:55] <sebas> Big is good
[11:55] <toma> the label 'volume' is redundant i,ho
[11:55] <seaLne> i think anything other than centered could look weird if users changed from the default size of panel, in the bottom
[11:55] <Lure> mhb: we should have icon on it and I agree it should be big
[11:55] <mhb> icon/text ?
[11:56] <toma> icon only
[11:56] <kwwii> I think it could look more like katapult (ie. part. transparent)
[11:56] <manchicken> I think we may want to consider "master volume" though, instead of just "volume"
[11:56] <Lure> seaLne: I think center of screen makes most sense
[11:56] <seaLne> can we please have a new kmix icon then?
[11:56] <toma> manchicken: isnt that obvious when you press those buttons?
[11:56] <manchicken> toma: Not to my wife it wasn't.
[11:57] <kwwii> seaLne: we will once oxygen is out
[11:57] <manchicken> toma: She thought that was adjusting Amarok's volume.
[11:57] <Lure> mhb: amarok has nice rounded one - we could copy that code over
[11:57] <ryanakca> kwwii: that would be nice, and we could theme it for each kubuntu release... might mean more work though
[11:57] <seaLne> kwwii: yeah yeah :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: why would people be changing the volume anyway?  as opposed to master
[11:57] <toma> manchicken: did she press the button?
[11:57] <kwwii> ryanakca: agreed
[11:57] <manchicken> toma: Yeah.
[11:57] <gnomefreak> i would personally go inbetween the 2 sizes shown. the big seems a bit big and the little is way too little
[11:57] <mhb> Lure: of course
[11:57] <toma> manchicken: userss...
[11:57] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Sometimes you want your IM sounds to be louder than your music sounds...
[11:57] <manchicken> At least for me.
[11:58] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: hmm... yeah
[11:58] <allee> + IMHO
[11:58] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true
[11:58] <ryanakca> katapult looks the perfect size to me, well, the default edgy katapult at least...
[11:58] <manchicken> I like *big* so that people know what it is.
[11:58] <manchicken> err, so people know it's there.
[11:59] <Riddell> transparency like katapult or amarok is harder to programme, especially with a widget on top of it, but would look nicer
[11:59] <ryanakca> so, if we modified some katapult stuff, we'd have something themeable, looks the right size, etc
[11:59] <manchicken> Larger screens will make it possible to miss the smaller ones.
[11:59] <mhb> I'd wait with transparency on KDE4
[11:59] <fdoving> ..with a option to turn it of then. (i don't like transparancy everywhere).
[11:59] <Lure> regarding size: you have to know that this is also used for other kmilo actions (not just volume)
[11:59] <sebas> I think we should shift this asscards into the artwork guys pockets.
[12:00] <sebas> Otherwise you'll get endless "but I like green better" discussions
[12:00] <kwwii> lol
[12:00] <Riddell> mhb: are you volunteering to programme this?
[12:00] <raphink> I like purple better
[12:00] <mhb> Riddell: yes
[12:00] <Hobbsee> raphink: yay, purple :P
[12:00] <gnomefreak> +1 raphink  :)
[12:00] <raphink> do I?
[12:00] <Lure> raphink: amarok has purple already ;-)
[12:00] <sebas> raphink: Me too, but *I* know how to bribe Ken :-)
[12:01] <Riddell> mhb: as sebas says you won't get a definitive answer from the meeting, but has the feedback been useful?
[12:01] <Riddell> mhb: large and with icon seems popular
[12:01] <mhb> Riddell: I see
[12:01] <sebas> With icon different from the current kmix one please
[12:01] <sebas> That one is butt ugly
[12:02] <Riddell> that icon in the mockups isn't the kmix app icon, it's quite different
[12:02] <mhb> Riddell: I just want to know if we want to achieve consistency with amarok or not
[12:02] <mhb> too
[12:02] <manchicken> IMHO, Amarok has the right idea on the OSD for a lot of that stuff.
[12:02] <Riddell> mhb: sure, that would be great, just harder to programme
[12:02] <manchicken> If we're going to go for consistency, I'd rather see it go in favor of Amarok than in favor of katapult.
[12:02] <Riddell> but I guess some amount of copy and paste would work
[12:02] <kwwii> I think that all things like this should look the same, not just some
[12:03] <manchicken> But I'm not a UI guy ^_^
[12:03] <pinheiro> agread
[12:03] <kwwii> and amarok does look pertty good
[12:03] <mhb> I personally don't like the OSD, though
[12:03] <Riddell> we should have consistency between kmilo, amarok, k3b and katapult, tricky
[12:03] <mhb> neither the placement nor the default font&colour
[12:03] <allee> can't this be OSD  moved to knotify or ui daemon (guessing) so OSD is easier accessible for apps?
[12:03] <kwwii> tricky but that is the nicest looking idea, even if we only came close
[12:04] <Riddell> allee++
[12:04] <sebas> Is that only for volume in kmilo btw?
[12:04] <sebas> All of kmilo should look the same IMO
[12:04] <fdoving> sebas: looks like that for everything else too.
[12:04] <Riddell> sebas: it would be hard to have kmilo inconsistent with itself
[12:05] <Riddell> you'd have to go out of your way to programme it like that
[12:05] <sebas> I hope so :)
[12:05] <ryanakca> hey imbrandon
[12:05] <Tonio_> hi imbrandon
[12:05] <sebas> Hehe, believe me, I've seen things far more stupid than that :>
[12:05] <pinheiro> hi imbrandon
[12:05] <kwwii> like I said, lazy americans
[12:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_ !
[12:05] <nixternal> kwwii: you are a lazy american in Germany ;p
[12:05] <imbrandon> kwwii, hehe changed days so many times
[12:05] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> sorry about that :(
[12:05] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol
[12:05] <Riddell> we're getting off topic, maybe time to move on
[12:05] <mhb> I'm not sure if I have enough time/skill to code a more complex solution like moving the OSD elswhere before feature freeze
[12:06] <mhb> I'm sure I don't have the time
[12:06] <Riddell> mhb: copy and paste from amarok :)  else the mockups you have look good
[12:06] <manchicken> Wait a minute... what's wrong with laziness/
[12:06] <mhb> Riddell: okay then
[12:06] <Riddell> thanks mhb
[12:06] <Riddell> fdoving: your item
[12:07] <fdoving> A Central RCS (svn/bzr?) repository of debian/ dirs for kubuntu related packages.  (Similar to http://svn.debian.org)
[12:07] <mhb> thanks everyone for comments
[12:07] <fdoving> I believe that would make it easier for more people to contribute and cooperate.
[12:07] <manchicken> I thought there'd be something in knotify already.
[12:07] <fdoving> We will also have a history, with tags for each release.
[12:07] <fdoving> Thoughts?
[12:07] <toma> fdoving: ++
[12:07] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ++
[12:07] <manchicken> konversation, amarok, k3b all use similar OSDs.
[12:07] <allee> fdoving: what's wrong with using kde-extras in svn.debian.org?
[12:07] <manchicken> I'm finding it hard to believe that everybody duplicated that that well.
[12:07] <toma> fdoving: besides the repro of alioth
[12:07] <fdoving> allee: nothing. just needs to happen.
[12:07] <allee> fdoving: k
[12:07] <imbrandon> allee, because in my experince its a pita , esp when we have bzr on LP already
[12:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that doesnt appear to be being used either but
[12:08] <Riddell> I do already have a copy of the debian dirs in svn.debian.org
[12:08] <toma> imbrandon: why a pita?
[12:08] <Riddell> and I never manage to keep it up to date
[12:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea biut if we're going to choose one i would much rather use our infra that alrady goverens our teams than debians
[12:08] <Tonio_> in my opinion, that duplicates everything
[12:09] <Tonio_> elmo talked about that already
[12:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true...
[12:09] <ryanakca> see yah Hobbsee
[12:09] <Riddell> we'd be better waiting for the no-more-source-packages spec
[12:09] <Tonio_> the idea is interesting, but only if that's done to manage all packages and autogenerate the debs
[12:09] <seaLne> Tonio_: what duplicates everything?
[12:09] <allee> imbrandon: I've no bzr experience, but you think using bzr and merging again and again is easier than using svn.debian.org directly (assumed most kde appshave no real kubuntu specific changes
[12:09] <Tonio_> seaLne: the debian dir is already a kind of rcs system
[12:10] <imbrandon> allee, yes i do, the svn on alioth is a pain to get an account then i have -guest appended to my anme and many other gripes
[12:10] <Tonio_> you have a changelog, versioning etc...
[12:10] <imbrandon> i'm with Riddell we wait for the no more source spec and use LP
[12:10] <toma> imbrandon: that's not true
[12:10] <Tonio_> that's why I'm not very keen on putting everything in a rcs
[12:10] <fdoving> I belive people wou
[12:10] <Tonio_> but that's my feeling only
[12:11] <fdoving> ld need to change the way they work.. for a rcs to work.
[12:11] <allee> Tonio_: kde-extras is in buildserver.net to build pkgs directly http://buildserver.net/ including dapper .. feisty
[12:11] <Tonio_> allee: yes that's interesting, and that's what I said
[12:11] <toma> http://status.buildserver.net/packages/status.php?email=pkg-kde-extra&subdist=pkg-kde-extra
[12:11] <Tonio_> allee: but I think there is a spec for ubuntu packages to be managed with bzr
[12:11] <imbrandon> allee, so does suse buildserver ( as in build for dapper / feisty ) but that dont mean it uses or LP accounts and permisions etc
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: any info if that's supposed to happen ?
[12:12] <imbrandon> and will be obsolited anyhow with the no source spec
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: the soyuz team is very small these days, I think it'll need some more soyuz people to make it happen
[12:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah I was talking about that one
[12:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: talking about the amount of people needing to work on the same package, that's not very important actually
[12:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: we've tested bzr with kubuntu-default-setting
[12:13] <Riddell> fdoving: there's definately sympathy with the idea, but I think the core-dev people aren't willing to do the extra work to make it happen until no-more-source-packages
[12:14] <Tonio_> nobody else contributes, we just have more things and pain to do to make it to work...
[12:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, ++
[12:14] <fdoving> Tonio_: it's not too much about 'neeeding'.. it's more about 'beeing able to'.
[12:14] <fdoving> Tonio_: i can't change anything on your harddrive.
[12:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: yeah sure
[12:15] <kwwii> I've been up for 18 hours and have to get up to take my son to school in another 6, could we skip to the next issue?
[12:15] <fdoving> Riddell: ok.
[12:16] <imbrandon> is someone takin minutes? since i came late , i dident realize it had been changerd again
[12:16] <imbrandon> yea lets move on
[12:16] <Riddell> kwwii: are you after a paticular issue?
[12:16] <mhb> he's useful for the widget style one
[12:16] <kwwii> the style issue would be good