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naliothHobbsee: we having trouble?03:15
Hobbseenalioth: yeah, guy that keeps speaking in turkish03:16
naliothwhich one?03:16
Music_ShuffleSorry, I thought I had the command. I was wrong-ed. :(03:16
Hobbseegot it03:16
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somerville32Dunno if anyone noticed this in -motu04:11
somerville32[23:10]  * harrisony has quit ("fucks safe")04:11
Hobbseeoh that idiot again...04:12
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Music_ShuffleWhat's the best way to...leave a simple message for Seve*s?04:57
HobbseeMusic_Shuffle: PM, or ping him with the message.  probably PM05:00
Music_ShuffleThanks. ./PM'd.05:01
elkbuntusomerville32, i'll talk to him05:27
somerville32elkbuntu, k05:28
naliothtalk talk talk05:37
somerville32Ack05:59
elkbuntuum, nalioth who did you ban?06:02
somerville32magic_ninja06:02
somerville32and it wasn't a ban, it was a mute :)06:02
elkbuntu* nalioth sets ban on %*!*@ip68-103-20-13.ks.ok.cox.net06:03
elkbuntuhard to tell at my end06:03
naliothelkbuntu: did you miss his scintillating comment?06:03
elkbuntunalioth, define that s word please?06:03
somerville32elkbuntu: the % makes it a mute and not a ban06:04
=== nalioth was being sarcastic
elkbuntuif you mean the lifeguard with whistle, he's referring to yipe's call for ops06:04
naliothelkbuntu: /lastlog him, and you'll see what got him the quiet06:04
elkbuntui'd have to log in with irssi to use lastlog06:06
somerville32[00:56]  <magic_ninja> if you pull on a woman's tampon do her eyes light up like car headlights?06:06
somerville32[00:56]  <magic_ninja> mabye confetti shoots out of their ears?06:06
elkbuntuwhat's wrong with that?06:07
somerville32It isn't family-friendly06:07
somerville32Or so I assume06:08
elkbuntuhow is it not? it's no more unfriendly than someone coughing green and red06:08
somerville32I'm not familiar with "coughing green and red".06:09
elkbuntusomerville32, green phlegm and blood06:09
elkbuntuthere was a 15 minute discussion about it yesterday06:09
naliothelkbuntu: i found it way off topic06:09
elkbuntunalioth, off topic being figlet and ascii art flooding?06:10
naliothelkbuntu: "pull a womans tampon do her eyes light up like car headlights?" is offensive to me06:10
elkbuntunalioth, i'm a woman, and i find it quite funny06:10
nalioththey stopped with the ascii art06:10
somerville32nalioth: How long will the mute last?06:11
HawkwindUntil it's removed 06:12
somerville32@lart 13 hawkwind06:13
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naliothsomerville32: did you see it fly out the window?06:16
somerville32the mute? Yes.06:16
somerville32nalioth++06:16
elkbuntuwhile we're at offensive things. the topic talks about assaulting someone. surely that's more offensive than the crimson wave06:17
somerville32That is rather vulgar06:18
naliothfixed06:19
nalioththank you for pointing the topic out, elkbuntu 06:27
naliothand it's all yours06:28
naliothi have a meeting in the morning06:28
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X-Robanyone alive at the moment?06:38
somerville32Yup06:38
X-Robsomerville32, background: I'm the lead developer of freePBX, a GPL'ed GUI configurator for Asterisk, a linux Voice-over-IP server.. I'm going to be shortly distributing a distro (like trixbox, or asterisk@home if you've heard of it) using ubuntu. 06:41
X-RobI just wanted to give a heads up to the ops that in the next week or so you might be seeing a smegload of voice-over-IP questions, and to send 'em to #freepbx.06:41
somerville32Why don't you contribute to Ubuntu instead of starting your own distro? :)06:41
X-Robbecause freepbx is a _prick_ to install 8)06:42
X-RobWe do want to make a proper deb, but the amount of stuff we have to do makes it difficult.06:42
X-Robplus, your asterisk .deb  is about a year out of date, last time I looked -- in 6.06, anyway, which is fair enough.06:42
somerville321:1.2.13~dfsg is in the current dev release06:44
X-Robin 6.06?06:44
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somerville32No06:46
somerville327.0406:46
X-RobI'd like to stick with a LTS version, unless there's another one that's been released?06:46
maxamillionX-Rob: not yet, currently the only LTS version is 6.0606:48
somerville32X-Rob: LTS won't get updates.06:48
somerville32Unless through backports06:48
somerville32IF you'd like, you can request a backport to 6.0606:48
X-Robsomerville32, I know, and that's why it's good. And that's _also_ why I need to upgrade asterisk etc.06:49
elkbuntusomerville32, response from harrisony: hmm.....i was at a friends and that must of been his away message, sorry abouts that06:49
somerville32elkbuntu, k, thanks06:49
somerville32X-Rob: I don't see why you need your own distro to manage one package06:50
somerville32It would be best to get involved with Ubuntu - it is easy :)06:50
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X-Robsomerville32, http://www.freepbx.org/trac/ticket/1167 and http://www.freepbx.org/trac/wiki/DebPackages.. It's doable, I guess.06:51
X-RobI probably need to pick some peoples brains about .deb's.06:54
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somerville32X-Rob: I suggest visiting #ubuntu-motu 06:56
X-RobOK. I'm bowing to your wisdom here.06:56
X-RobWhat do _you_ suggest? 06:56
somerville32And joining the mailing lists :)06:56
X-RobMailing lists? Geez, I Dont' have time to read my OWN mailing lists, not to mention asterisk's, and then ubuntus too? Argh!06:56
somerville32:)06:56
X-RobI'm guessing you suggest build a 7.0[whateveritwas]  machine and then RTFM on making debs?06:57
somerville32You could take responsibility for the asterisk package06:57
somerville32Triage bugs06:57
somerville32Pass things upstream06:57
X-RobI can't do that with asterisk06:57
somerville32And for learning how to make debs, we have classroom seminars and tons of friendly tutorials06:57
X-RobAsterisk have a MySQL style licence, you need to disclaim your code so that they can un-gpl it and sell it commercially. I'm philosophically against that.06:58
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somerville32Anyhow, we're offtopic :)06:58
=== X-Rob thinks his spelling is a bit off there, but yes, we're off-topic 8)
X-RobSo, back to what I asked: You suggest 7.0x and make a deb that works with that?06:59
somerville32X-Rob: Or you could ask for the package to be backported if 7.0x is recent enough07:00
elkbuntuanother aussie rob? good fun!07:00
X-Robelkbuntu, another 'aussie rob', or another 'aussie'? 07:01
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elkbuntuX-Rob, one is in this channel, the other is somewhat absent from our LoCo channel, where you're also welcome07:01
X-Rob8)07:02
elkbuntu#ubuntu-au07:02
X-Robooh, cool.07:02
X-RobIf you guys have meetings and stuff I can do voice-over-ip demos .. They always go down well 8)07:02
elkbuntuhehe, we have a meeting tonight, but it's a bit late to get everyone prepared for voip07:03
X-RobI realise this is off-topic, but I'm at ubuntu.com, and I can't see a 'download version 7' link.07:03
X-Robelkbuntu, depends where it is 8)07:03
elkbuntuonline07:03
X-Roboh07:03
X-RobIRL I've got a couple of phones I carry around to show off and let people play with07:04
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elkbuntuhhe cool. no chance you'll be at LCA?07:04
X-RobNah07:04
X-RobWas thinking about it, but I'm in melbourne a week after that, and couldn't be bothered travelling down just to come back again07:05
X-Rob(I'm in central QLD)07:05
elkbuntuaww. fair enough, it's a far drive07:05
X-Robnormally I'd fly - but I'm actually driving to melbourne towing three motorbikes (Actually, to Tassie, but have a week of work to do in gippsland)07:08
somerville32We'll give you a mention in our Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter07:08
X-Robeek.07:08
X-Rob(or is that good? 8)07:09
elkbuntuX-Rob, it's good, it means people who read the newsletter will know to harass you for support ;)07:10
X-Robahha!07:10
X-RobOK, downloading fesity herd 1.07:11
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maddashseriously, elkbuntu, are you dyslexic?10:01
elkbuntumaddash, do you really think insulting people is going to get you anywhere?10:01
maddashdo you have a sense of humor?10:01
maddashdo you read the logs?10:02
maddashhow the hell did you make ops status?10:02
elkbuntuyes i read the logs. you have been trolling all night10:02
thoreauputicelkbuntu: I think the point was that he was quoting a self-deprecating remark from ToHelWithGA10:02
somerville32maddash: If you're going to toss around personal insults, I'll have to ask you to leave.10:02
maddashthoreauputic : thanks.10:02
maddashelkbuntu, apologize.10:03
thoreauputicmaddash: nevertheless, you are trolling here and insulting elkbuntu 10:03
maddashtrue.10:03
maddashso what's this channel for, anyway? why're there non-ops hanging around here?10:04
thoreauputicmaddash: i suggest that you apologise to elkbuntu :) She is a good op10:04
thoreauputicmaddash: it's open - we have nothing to hide10:04
maddashelkbuntu: : I haven't been "trolling all night"...I've been *offed* by the GA dude.10:07
somerville32maddash: Can you pass me a cookie?10:08
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somerville32Yum!10:11
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maddashhaha mimicry10:12
sudo_maddashLOL10:14
sudo_maddashwhat do you guys do for fun?10:14
sudo_maddashand how is a collision possible?10:14
somerville32sudo_maddash, Ban people like you :)10:14
somerville32haha10:14
somerville32just joking10:14
sudo_maddashyou can't /nick unless the nick is free10:14
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : seriously, I'm like helping 2,3 ppl at a time in #ubutnu10:14
sudo_maddashall night long10:14
somerville32sudo_maddash: She owns the nick so she asked nickserv to ghost it 10:14
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : "ghost"?10:16
elkbuntu_<elkbuntu> thoreauputic, he may have been, but he had been saying unwelcome things and belittling tohellwithga earlier10:16
elkbuntu_<elkbuntu> there is no apology to be given. the line followed on from 'ugly girls cant be hot' and so forth.10:16
elkbuntu_<elkbuntu> oh yes, and insulted support staff10:16
sudo_maddashhmm. so elkbuntu_ == elkbuntu?10:16
sudo_maddashelkbuntu_ : with reason.10:16
elkbuntu_yes10:17
elkbuntu_no, not with reason10:17
sudo_maddashelkbuntu_ : here in america, we have a thing called "free speech"...10:17
elkbuntu_sudo_maddash, here in australia we have a thing called 'taking responsibility for your actions'10:17
sudo_maddashbtw, what may I have been?10:17
sudo_maddashelkbuntu_: "belittling"...nice, sp. belittling w/reason, again.10:18
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: that was a total Red Herring BTW - this is IRC and ops have authority here10:18
sudo_maddashelkbuntu_:  you've only seen the public logs...he /msg'ed me later on as well10:18
sudo_maddashelkbuntu_ : "ugly girls can't be hot"? when'd I say that?10:18
somerville32I saw it10:19
somerville32Well, something like that10:19
somerville32lol10:19
sudo_maddashelkbuntu_ : I can be nice. if you have other logs, grep for maddash. it's only when someone gratuitously insults/berates me that I get offed.10:19
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : I said "ugly hot girl" vs "hot ugly girl"10:19
sudo_maddashsomerville32: that's what I said10:20
somerville32sudo_maddash, Yeah, you got a temper. :P10:20
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : elkbuntu_:: makes a whole world's difference.10:20
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elkbuntu_sudo_maddash, btw, putting sudo in front of your nick isnt going to make a difference to the decision. this isnt xkcd10:20
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : seriously, grep for maddash. I'm the only one with this nick. or "sudo_maddash", when I feel lively.10:20
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: try apologising for your insults to elkbuntu at least :)10:21
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : why? she gratuitously booted me.10:21
somerville32sudo_maddash, That doesn't excuse your actions.10:21
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: In Australia we have this thing called "diplomacy"10:21
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sudo_maddashsomerville32 : oh, but it gives her immunity against any retribution?10:22
somerville32sudo_maddash, Thats not what we're saying.10:22
somerville32sudo_maddash, Right now we're dealing with what *you* did.10:22
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : it's not very "diplomatic" to boot someone for no reason.10:22
elkbuntu_im already 20 minutes late for a meeting thanks to you, i will not be commenting further until that is done with10:22
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : deal with *why* I did.10:22
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: you are running the risk of being "gratuitously booted" again ( from here)10:22
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : oh? for what?10:23
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: for being boringly predictably obtuse :)10:23
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : oh? how so?10:23
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : there's a difference between "pissed off", "headstrong" and "obtuse".10:23
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: I have a meeting to attend - have a nice life10:23
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : sure..."meeting."10:24
somerville32lol10:24
sudo_maddashwell ,I've gotta pass out so I can wake up for my NSA job tomorrow...10:24
somerville32sudo_maddash, Lets cool down, shall we?10:24
sudo_maddashand I've got a 10:30 with Santa10:24
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : ok ok.10:24
mneptoksudo_maddash: please do not invent conversations we never had10:25
sudo_maddashgood god10:25
sudo_maddashI'm not even going to answer that. it made no (zero [0] ) sense at all.10:25
mneptoksudo_maddash: i did not /msg you at any point.10:25
sudo_maddashwhen did I even say you did?10:26
naliothsudo_maddash: did you have a purpose here?10:26
mneptok<sudo_maddash> elkbuntu_:  you've only seen the public logs...he /msg'ed  me later on as well10:27
sudo_maddashhey! it's nalioth10:27
sudo_maddashhey nalioth10:27
sudo_maddashmneptok : again, for the third or fourth time, work on the reading comprehension. "he" was the GA guy.10:27
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thoreauputicmneptok: probably referring to ToHellwithGA10:27
sudo_maddash[sigh] 10:28
sudo_maddashnalioth : how do you manage to stay logged in b/n home and work?10:28
mneptoksudo_maddash: for the third or fourth time, *stop being desiberately confrontational with everybody*10:28
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sudo_maddashmneptok : I could say the same of you.10:29
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: elkbuntu is busy (as am I actually) You are not advancing your cause here - I suggest that you leave 10:29
sudo_maddashthoreauputic : what makes you think I'm staying here for elkbuntu_?10:30
mneptoksudo_maddash: lol. you have no idea how ridiculous the concept of me being confrontational would be to most people.10:30
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: the only legitimate reason you can be here is to appeal her decision10:30
naliothsudo_maddash: did you have a purpose with all this? you got banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for a reason. please understand that bans do not last all that long generally (unless you carry on about them)10:30
elkbuntu_sudo_maddash, because our procedures say im the only one who can unban you, and it's certainly not going to happen whilst you're arguing the point, since it proves the purpose of the ban :)10:31
thoreauputicindeed10:31
mneptokkeep digging, or deal. your call.10:31
sudo_maddashmneptok : what do you call this? ([04:25]  mneptok: sudo_maddash: i did not /msg you at any point.) or this? ([03:52]  mneptok: maddash: knock it off. last warning.)10:31
somerville32!coc | sudo_maddash10:32
ubotusudo_maddash: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/10:32
sudo_maddashmneptok: you're not an op. stop talking to me like you are. you're irking the guys who actually do have authority.10:32
sudo_maddashthoreauputic, elkbuntu don't you guys have meetings?10:32
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sudo_maddashthoreauputic : apppeeal...what?10:33
mneptoksudo_maddash: the first line i call "requested channel input from an op" and the second is "trying to warn you before you got banned" (whch was pointless in retrospect)10:33
elkbuntusudo_maddash, i had to pass chairing on to someone else because of your disruptiveness10:33
sudo_maddashbrb. pop's is coming down. gotta tab away.10:33
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mneptoksudo_maddash: i may not be an op, but i have a little standing in the community, and ops have learned to trust my judgement.10:34
mneptok9fwiw)10:34
mneptoks/9/(/10:35
robX-Rob: put the kettle on for me, I'll be down there by June I'd say10:35
sudo_maddashmneptok: your "judgement" misled you twice already. only thanks to thoreauputic, who had the patience to correct you10:37
sudo_maddashmneptok : if they "learn to trust your judgement", then why aren't you op? hmmm...10:37
sudo_maddashsomerville32 : coc says nothing about being insulted for no reason. or misconduct by ops.10:38
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naliothsudo_maddash: again, did you have a purpose here?10:38
JucatoBe respectful. The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect. Everyone can make a valuable contribution to Ubuntu. We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour and poor manners.10:38
sudo_maddashbut to be courteous to somerville32, nalioth and Seveas' log screen, I won't continue this (flame war?) any longer. pointless to argue over irc, I just realized.10:39
thoreauputicsudo_maddash: whingeing about your ban is not a pragmatic approach, and it's elkbuntu who will unban you if anyone will10:39
maddashI wasn't whining, thoreauputic. I honestly don't give a flying damn about the ban. and if I do get banned from #ubuntu, the only ones who lose are the people who go there for help. way to be an op.10:40
elkbuntuyou're right. you're not whining, you're trolling.10:40
somerville32maddash: I already asked you to please leave. Tempers are too high right now.10:40
maddashelkbuntu : and what did you just do, then?10:40
maddashsomerville32 : roger that10:40
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X-Robrob - down where?10:42
maddashhaha: "what's the best anti-virus?" "Linux."10:43
rob<X-Rob> (I'm in central QLD)10:43
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X-RobWhat part of north?10:43
robTownsville, until about May/June10:43
X-RobCool. Will be in townsville next week.10:43
robcool :D10:44
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X-RobAs will I be -- I look after Mobil throughout most of QLD.10:45
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maddashgod, why's it so quiet? doesn't anyone need help?03:45
maddashoh crap, this isn't #ubuntu03:45
effie_jayxlol :D03:48
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ubotuIn ubotu, WhitesOwnYourAss said: !ubuntu is gay10:04
ubotuIn ubotu, WhitesOwnYourAss said: !KKK is teh rox0r10:04
PriceChild!botabuse > WhitesOwnYourAss10:06
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somerville32ompaul: ping10:09
ompaulyeap10:09
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somerville32<OHMYGODIMONFIRES> stfu noob10:09
somerville32* ompaul (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) has joined #ubuntu10:09
ompaulnoted10:09
ompaulohh 10:09
somerville32thanks10:09
ompaulthats a bye bye do you want me to do it?10:09
somerville32Sure :)10:10
ompaulor shall we watch him for a moment or four10:10
somerville32Hmmm10:10
ompaulhas he gotten any other warnings?10:10
somerville32Not that I see... he might not know better10:10
ompaulwell he got it now so lets sit back and see10:10
somerville32kk :)10:11
ompaulwhat was this persons question?10:12
ompaultheir inital that is10:12
ubotuIn ubotu, WhitesOwnYourAss said: !coffee is good, make me some, kthx10:13
somerville32!botabuse > WhitesOwnYourAss10:14
somerville32Thats warning #2 for WhitesOwnYourAss10:15
somerville32[17:04]  <ubotu> In ubotu, WhitesOwnYourAss said: !ubuntu is gay10:15
somerville32[17:04]  <ubotu> In ubotu, WhitesOwnYourAss said: !KKK is teh rox0r10:15
ompaulnalioth, ^^10:15
ompaulrob, ^^10:15
ompaulalindeman, ^^10:16
PriceChildsomerville32, I've just been talking to him10:16
ompaulsomeone kline that one please10:16
PriceChildompaul, he's already disconnected10:16
ompaulkeep him so :)10:16
PriceChildhehe :)10:16
jendaaha10:19
PriceChildwhoa a jenda :)10:19
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ompauljenda, you kill that one?10:19
ompaulthanks 10:19
jendanp10:21
jendaompaul: i think it's dead.10:32
jenda;)10:32
ompaulthat is a good thing (tm)10:32
ompaulright got to fix a gnewsense box this is fun ... back in a few10:32
LjLlook at the joins in #ubuntu 10:46
ompaulLjL, really ugly that 10:48
LjLompaul: what, the joins or the bans?10:49
ompauljoins causing bans10:49
ompaulwhy is the world so full of idiots who think it is funny to disrupt communication networks 10:49
LjLis it? i never thoug t th y woulllld dNO CARRIER10:50
ompaulhehe10:51
somerville32Is there a factoid for acpi?10:55
ompaul!acpi10:55
ubotuacpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)10:55
ompaulI think the closest to get there is 10:56
ompaul!bootoptions10:56
ubotuFor a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions10:56
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somerville32ompaul: Thanks11:07
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nixternalCC SEND from lcdbcjor [0.0.0.0 port 0] : 0 [4218741466396MB bytes]  requested in channel #ubuntu11:47
LjLnixternal: banned automatically11:49
LjLit's interesting that nobody disconnected11:49
LjLthough i won't be too optimistic, might just be chance11:50
LjLnixternal by the way, i suppose you left out the "D" on purpose. just to be sure though: do leave it out next time too ;)11:53
nixternalya11:53
nixternalLjL: the only reason is because i guess the mouse didn't go that far :)11:53
nixternalso using d....c.....c.... will get you banned or klined?11:54
LjLnixternal: yes, automatically11:54
LjL(the latter)11:54
nixternalshiznit11:54
nixternalthat is in a channel though that one of the bots are in or nal ioth or Seve as is in?11:55
LjLnixternal: i think a couple of staffers have automatic k-line scripts for DCC expoits now11:55
nixternalwow11:55
ompaulnixternal, they have had them for a *long* time11:56
nixternalya, i really don't pay attention much unless someone is d cc'ing me11:56
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