[12:17] pinheiro: ;-) I need something for stock kde3 (powermanager info/warn notification) [12:28] gahahaha [12:32] seaLne: no pr0n as i kick back and view photos either :) [12:33] just my dirty mind i guess :) [12:33] it took a second to grasp that though when you said it [12:34] first time was a flyby, the second time around it landed [12:34] heh :) === zigovr3 [n=zig@AAubervilliers-153-1-3-119.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:35] nixternal: can you remove the kubuntu meeting for tomorrow from the fridge? [12:35] heh ya [12:36] there is no meeting for tomorrow that i can see [12:36] its a 22 hour meeting starting today [12:36] seaLne: ah, so its a bug [12:37] yeah sounds like start time and duration are confusing ;) [12:37] yes, both have id 703 [12:37] nevermind then [12:39] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/78376 [12:40] Malone bug 78376 in ubiquity "Kubuntu Feisty daily-live Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:40] will pop you and email now === sebas sees big commits from Lure coming by. [12:40] sent [12:41] sebas: and yesterday too ;-) [12:41] sebas: want to finish this off, so that we can push package tommorow morning [12:41] Lure: Depending on timezones, yes :) [12:41] Lure: I can test-run tomorrow morning (now + 9 hrs or so) [12:42] Should be in time for the freeze [12:42] sebas: please do - any feedback would be good [12:42] Sure [12:42] Jucato: I'll help you any way I can. If you want to help me and make a HOWTO for that, even better :o) [12:42] Jucato: we'll move it here. as I said, it's just about adding a menu entry. should be simple. [12:43] mhb: heh maybe next time. I just removed vmware :) [12:43] Jucato: aww [12:43] qemu :) [12:46] I've noticed some people had comments about the Polyester look. It would be great if you either added them to a wiki page (like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork/PolyesterThemeIssues ) or emailed them to me. Thanks. [12:46] toma: the problem for me was that it was entirely random whether it worked for me or not, i had 2 machine with identical packages yet only one worked [12:47] seaLne: ok, i can ask if there are plans to make it easier for the future === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] nite. [12:55] g'night for those going to bed! :) [12:56] zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :) === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal prepares for a night of hacking [12:57] go nixternal!! :) [12:57] is there any tool I can use to figure out the version of linux from a vmlinuz file? === jdong_ just noticed his HDTV's firmware is a vmlinuz,ext2 root, and initrd :D [12:58] version of the kernel? [12:58] right [12:59] shouldn't it be saying something like vmlinuz-? [12:59] mfr's site doesn't have any firmware I could find though :( I e-mailed tech support a sec ago asking for it [12:59] Jucato, no, it's renamed [12:59] jdong_: oh... [12:59] Jucato, it's a_335_spa.img, olevia.kgz, pm_a10.bin [12:59] O.o [12:59] root, initrd, vmliinuz in that order [12:59] I went through pm_a10.bin with strings [12:59] and it's obviously linux [01:00] I guess you can't do uname -r there :P [01:01] Tonio_: I though I would package guidance tonight, but I am too tired [01:02] Lure: okay no problem, I'm just working on kdebluetooth [01:02] Tonio_: if you have time/energy I would like to see it in Herd2 (freeze tommorow) [01:02] Jucato, I can probably get farther by unzipping the root fs image :) [01:02] :) [01:02] Lure: can I sync from svn ? [01:02] Jucato, /lib/modules should have the kernel name :) [01:02] Tonio_: package just need to change to package all icons/*.png [01:03] Tonio_: yes, just take the latest from svn [01:03] okay will do in a moment :) [01:03] Riddell: ping ? [01:03] Tonio_: just do not forget to pick up all icons and not just battery*.png as we do currently [01:03] ok, nite all [01:03] Lure: sure [01:03] good nite [01:03] Jucato, ATI chipsest, MIPS32 :D [01:03] heh :) [01:07] Tonio_: hi [01:07] Lure: Things seem to work here [01:07] Riddell: can you watch /usr/share/applnk/Utilities/dunhandler.desktop and confirm me the issue at the last line ? [01:08] I have an issue patching this [01:09] meeting ended yet? [01:09] Hobbsee: yes [01:09] right [01:09] Hobbsee: you okay? === Hobbsee wonders if she passed out.... [01:09] Riddell: the problem is that dunhaldner.desktop lacks final new line but if I patch this, I get french text in the diff..... [01:09] I think that can cause an issue but I'm unsure [01:10] hi Hobbsee! hope you're feeling better [01:10] mhb: not really [01:10] a little [01:10] Hobbsee: aww === Hobbsee wanders off again [01:10] Hobbsee: what are you doing here then? .o) [01:10] Hobbsee: that's it [01:10] i stayed sign in [01:11] er, signe [01:11] d [01:11] Hobbsee: see you later [01:11] take a rest :) [01:11] yes [01:11] Tonio_: X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth [01:11] Tonio_: that's a general issue with extragear apps that I need to talk to carlos about [01:12] Riddell: Hidden=trueX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth [01:12] this is what I have [01:12] Tonio_: hmm, I don't have that [01:12] hum......... are you up to date ? [01:12] nope [01:12] Riddell: yeah but I didn't touch the package for a while now..... [01:13] can someone else paste his final line on feisty please ? [01:13] Riddell: the issue is that if I patch it I get a french "no end line at end of file" in the diff......... that's problematic [01:14] Tonio_: export LANG+C [01:14] Tonio_: export LANG=C [01:14] Riddell: testing this [01:16] Riddell: hmm... looks like I missed my item... oh well, I got food instead... next meeting? [01:17] ryanakca: sure === ubijtsa_ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] sebas: please sign the CoC on launchpad and sign yourself up to kubuntu-members [01:25] Riddell: hmm... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh#head-cfcadec9d857e81f7b76e60c8ab5dfe01e0a5e24 was basicly what I wanted to talk about... have a Kubuntu-QA team, that could work with the Testing team... I can make a wiki elaborating the idea if you want :) [01:26] WEAK! [01:26] ryanakca: are you using feisty ? [01:26] or manchicken ? [01:26] pyuic doesn't support Qt4 designer!!!! [01:26] Riddell: Just done that [01:27] Tonio_: no.. wondering when I should upgrade... I'll probably upgrade with Herd 2... [01:27] I'm using feisty in chroot. [01:27] manchicken: pyuic4 does, IIRC. [01:27] What package is pyuic4 in? [01:27] Or is that not a feisty package? [01:28] Tonio_: why? [01:28] ryanakca: needed confirmation on a bug [01:28] pyqt4-dev-tools [01:28] Very nice. [01:29] Tonio_: ah, kk, sorry [01:29] ryanakca: no pb :) === manchicken really want emacs w/fuzzy-fonts... [01:30] Riddell: I'm packaging guidance [01:30] gnomefreak: sorry, lost the link to the opera .deb, mind resending it to me? [01:30] manchicken: you need pyuic4 [01:31] Tonio_: have you checked with Lure it's a good time for that? [01:31] Got it. [01:31] I really don't want to have to hand-recreate all of this UI. heh. [01:31] Riddell: yeah he asked me to do it before herd2 [01:32] cool [01:33] kdebluetooth fixed... dunhandler path was invalid too, should work now [01:33] then I have to fix katalog, and gtk-qt-engine [01:34] Riddell: I noticed gtk-qt-engine package doesn't have dpatch rules.... [01:34] Riddell: should I consider switch back to cdbs for simple-patchsys or do you want to use something close to the debian packaging system ? [01:35] I vote for cdbs :) [01:35] debian packaging "structure", sorry [01:35] Speaking of kbluetooth, it has the wrong presets for /etc/init.d/bluetooth start|stop [01:36] Good: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start|stop [01:36] Bad: /etc/init.d/bluez-utils start|stop [01:37] Tonio_: I like cdbs simple-patchsys bestest [01:37] Riddell: okay let's divert from debian again :) [01:38] sebas: in debian one beter uses invoke-rc.d bluetooth start|stop [01:38] Tonio_: what does debian use? [01:38] Tonio_: why do we need to patch? [01:38] Riddell: pure debhelper packaging without any patching system in use... [01:38] allee: kbluetooth wants to know that anyway [01:38] Riddell: we patch for the icons, and I also need to hide the kcm desktop file in kmenu === anders__ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee ponders to plans to try quilt instead of simple patchsys 'cause it allows to pusd/pop/test/remove patches [01:40] Okay, I'm gonna take off for now. [01:41] see yah manchicken [01:42] allee: does cdbs' patch system let you do that? [01:43] ryanakca: no, not conviniently [01:44] hmm [01:48] is the kubuntu cloak kubuntu/members? or ubuntu/members? [02:00] there isn't a kubuntu cloak [02:00] just ubuntu === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] Can someone that was at the meeting tonight login to gobby and summarize the meeting for the UWN? [02:11] how much money do you have? [02:11] Umm... I got cookies. :) [02:11] im on a diet [02:11] ;p [02:12] if someone doesn't step up in the next few minutes i will take care of it [02:12] oooh, cookies... what kind? [02:12] nixternal: Customizing Kubuntu desktop wiki is up: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu [02:12] ryanakca: the kind you like :) [02:12] rockin' Jucato! [02:12] Thats right :) [02:12] somerville32: hmm... how long till the get here? [02:13] somerville32: I would, but I have no clue about gobby, and I was only there for half of the meeting... sorry [02:13] he will overnight them just as soon as you finish the gobby write up :) [02:13] next time :) [02:13] argh :) [02:14] sorry nixternal, I knew you really really really wanted to summarize it, so I decided to leave it for you :) [02:14] haha thanks === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-94-138-57.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] nixternal: rppppoek doesn't seem to setup PPPoE connections. it's only a systray app to connect/disconnect/get the IP [02:21] shouldn't be all that difficult to make it set them up though [02:22] meaning, modify the code? create a GUI to setup PPPoE? [02:22] sure :) [02:22] heh :) [02:22] i have a brand new Qt4 design book as well ;p [02:22] wth?!! which one? [02:23] c++ gui programming with qt4 [02:23] there is another one as well that I am going to order [02:23] aw... :( [02:23] Design Patterns in C++ using Qt 4? [02:23] whee, back again [02:23] ya, that is the one im going to order, blue cover? [02:23] hiya Hobbsee [02:23] yep [02:23] wb Hobbsee! [02:23] heya [02:23] feeling better? [02:23] yeah [02:24] shaking - but not twitching [02:24] hey Hobbsee [02:24] nixternal: you ordered it online? how much did it cost? (wanna ask my relatives to buy one for me...) === Hobbsee waves [02:24] heya === Hobbsee back a bit later [02:24] less than $40 [02:24] USD [02:24] yeah, they're in the US :) [02:24] NY to be exact === Jucato wonders if danimo's book will ever be translated to English, making that 3 Qt 4 books available [02:25] did he do the German one? [02:26] yeah [02:26] ya i seen that one on amazon as well, it is in my 'wish list' somehow === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:26] heh... if you can read german :D [02:26] heh, i can hardly read english ;) [02:27] lol [02:27] btw, ordered it through amazon? [02:28] nixternal: while waiting for the other book, you might find this interesting: http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/moin/OopDocbookWiki [02:28] anybody have a link to kubuntu posters/pamphlets/promo stuff? all I've found is ubuntu stuff... [02:29] nice [02:29] ryanakca: and thats all you will find [02:29] drats [02:29] i think the only K ones I have seen was one I did which was remmoved and I think one raphink did as well [02:29] ermm, presentations === ryanakca wonders if kwiii will ever make one... === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:30] I would make one... but it would probably scare people away from it rather than attracting people to it [02:30] heh :) [02:32] ryanakca: get your blog on the planet, blog about it, and you will be amazed by how many people respond to it [02:33] i have been getting more and more emails each day from people (most of them bashing beryl and automatix) [02:33] i have started an anti-beryl and anti-automatix following === Jucato always reads the planet... but doesn't comment... :O [02:34] i try to comment on some blogs [02:34] nixternal: I don't have a blog... used to... [02:34] I don't feel worthy :) [02:35] nixternal: but I only wrote stuff in it every 2-3 weeks, and even then it wasn't really interesting... === Jucato takes a very short nap... [02:35] hahaha, my dad seen a commercial that has that old 80's song which i don't know the words (rock the cash box) or something [02:35] but he says rock the cat box [02:36] i hate having a big screen tv, he comes over all the time and watches my tv [02:36] lol [02:36] how far away does he live? [02:36] i live in their house, just have my own section [02:36] couple blocks? [02:36] ah [02:36] ya [02:37] meh, I guess you don't get lonely :P [02:37] i had to move back for a little while so i could finish school with my military benefits before they ran out [02:37] ah [02:37] nah, plus i walk through the garage to get there for some dinner :) [02:37] lol [02:38] that's a plus [02:38] ya, my little corner is setup like a flat === ryanakca wonders what he'll do with the 50 or so cds he has laying around... hmm... === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] I have Debian 3.0, gparted, Mandriva 2006, Red Hat 9, FC1, RH 6.0, Debian 2.0, hmm... knoppix, FC4, CentOS 4.0, Lindows (ick), puppy linux, freebsd 6.1 or 6.0...2 shipit cds left... [02:41] Mandriva bug 2006 in Installation "Can't scroll properly in flat mode." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2006 [02:42] wow, it gets mandriva bugs too? [02:42] Uptime: 3 hours and 45 minutes [02:42] impressive :) [02:42] lol [02:42] interesting, the house on google maps must be old, it doesn't have the new portion, nor the pool, and has the old shed & walkway [02:42] Uptime: 2 days, 4 hours and 7 minutes [02:42] 19:42:52 up 5 days, 25 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [02:43] lol [02:43] dude it was 4 months until my dog unplugged it [02:43] Fedora Core bug 200, and sorry for abusing the bug bot :) [02:43] Malone bug 200 in baz ""baz export" exports to the wrong directory with pathnames consisting of multiple components" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200 [02:43] lol [02:43] guess not [02:43] probably if I removed bug... but doesn't matter [02:43] nixternal: I still don't know what the point of uptime is... [02:43] that is why i use boog instead :) [02:44] heh, irssi sysinfo command has a vpenis score and i have no clue wth that is [02:44] Host 'heavymetal', running Linux 2.6.17-10-server - Cpu0: Pentium III 797 MHz; Up: 5d+26 min; Users: 1; Load: 0.02; Free: [Mem: 7/376 Mio] [Swap: 831/831 Mio] [/: 16189/18415 Mio] ; Vpenis: 24.7 cm; [02:44] see [02:44] and i didn't install that (that i know of) [02:45] ryanakca: yes, but this is a laptpo, and that was how long it lasted without pwoer [02:45] odd === Hobbsee wonders what happened during the meeting [02:45] Hobbsee: nice... my mums is about an hour [02:45] damn Hobbsee that is awesome [02:45] mine is 2.5 every rip [02:45] Hobbsee: what laptop? [02:45] and guidance is 100% accurate the entire time [02:45] dell 6400 [02:45] oh, and Hobbsee, nixternal is writing a resume of the meeting, feel free to harrass him :) [02:45] with the least-brightest screen, using the wifi [02:45] hehe, i'll just read it === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee now remembers all the stuff taht she wanted toa sk in the meeting :P [02:46] lol [02:47] guess i'll have to email it to the ML... [02:47] Hobbsee: your a bug triager, right? [02:47] ryanakca: among other things, sure [02:47] or did you fade out? [02:48] no, i still do it === Hobbsee hasnt had much time lately... [02:48] hmm... what would you think of a Kubuntu-QA... I have some ideas under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh#head-cfcadec9d857e81f7b76e60c8ab5dfe01e0a5e24 ... [02:48] I'm going to talk to mhb about it tommorow, but incorporate the testing team into it... [02:49] ryanakca: yeah...that sort of thing would be the testing team [02:49] ryanakca: there's already a mailing list for it - kubuntu bugs, or something === Hobbsee subscribes to most of it anyawy [02:50] what bugs would count as kubuntu bugs? guess ones that belonged to kde* [02:50] yeah [02:50] a qa team would be great imho === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] what about ubuntu-qa? [02:50] anything in kubuntu-desktop mainly, and then the KDE stuff in main. Universe would get a lower priority [02:50] become part of that, do do kubuntu [02:50] argh. -do [02:50] Hobbsee: that is mainly for bug triaging is it not? [02:51] nixternal: yes [02:51] Ubuntu-qa is anything... [02:51] -qa does mostly triage [02:51] and I'm part of ubuntu-qa... [02:51] cd testing, etd [02:51] c [02:51] cool === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-045-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:51] well, i guess kubuntu-testing is the same as kubuntu-qa and vice versa [02:52] ryanakca: instead of creating a new team, i'd suggest you work with mhb on the testing [02:52] speaking of which, there's a new subforum of ubuntu forums, for cd testers [02:52] oh ya, i did see the planet post on that [02:52] maybe we want to integrate that with our testing, including a wiki. not sure on that [02:52] Kubuntu Quality Assurance would test it, file bug reports and triage them... kubuntu bugs would be https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs [02:53] as long as people actually keep it well done, that should be really handy [02:53] ryanakca: what's "it"? === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] Herd 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, x, groundhog 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, x [02:54] whatever -testers tests... [02:55] hey kde devs, how come in trunk you have kdesecurity, kdock, kfte, and klyx that hasn't been touched in years? [02:55] ryanakca: ah right [02:55] nixternal: ask in #kde-devel or soemthing [02:56] ryanakca: there's no groundhog [02:56] I thought next release was grumpy groundhog... meh === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:57] ryanakca: no. that's hte inside canonical testing thingo that we dont know about [02:57] ah === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] morning deity [02:59] Heya foks [02:59] Err folks === bddebian looks around for a deity [03:00] bddebian: that's you. === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] Me who? [03:00] bddebian: :P the deity [03:02] I'm just a schmuck :( [03:02] awwww [03:03] imbrandon: you still here? === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] Hobbsee: shall I update the topic? [03:06] yup [03:07] wasup ? [03:07] kk, just a sec, I'm going to add the bug link [03:07] Hobbsee, pong === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:ryanakca] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Happy Newness! | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs [03:08] imbrandon: oh, I got hammered by questions at the meeting today :) [03:08] bbl, bed :) [03:08] lol [03:08] later [03:08] (or as hobbsee would put it, grilled :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] yea , hammered == drunk to me ;) [03:10] imbrandon: where's the svn konversation please :D [03:10] ryanakca: yeah, i was going to ask you more :P [03:10] ahh yea. cruft, gimme 5 minutes [03:10] hehe === Hobbsee cant contribute without running the latest svn [03:13] hehe === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] lovely, my password for kde svn isn't working === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] make -F Makefile === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] err [03:21] hehe === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:33] imbrandon: take two :P [03:34] ryanakca: what should kubuntu-testers be doing, in your view? [03:34] mhb: *poke* [03:36] jdong: right. if you're mocking, i dont think we'll do anything about your bug, OK? :P [03:42] ryanakca: when Riddell bounces you that something python related, can you CC me? [03:42] Riddell: or CC me in the first place? [03:42] imbrandon: next time you merge konversation, please remove debian/cdbs/kde.mk. rules does not use it [03:47] allee: cool, thanks @ kommando [03:47] allee, sure [03:48] Jucato: yes i was awake, FYI - i had trouble bootign - latest kernel didnt have l-r-m, so i had no wifi === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A72C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:24] hobbsee: hehe :) [04:24] jdong: :P [04:25] hobbsee: mind you slashdot is my runner-up bug tracking system ;-) [04:25] LOL [04:26] jdong: heh === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] here we go again [05:35] anyone have any good news to add to the UWN? === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:41] nixternal: hrm? stuff from the meeting would work === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*] by Hobbsee [05:41] already got that [05:42] ah [05:42] Hobbsee: should you forward him to #fix_your_shiznit [05:42] or whatever it is [05:42] nixternal: when does this get published? [05:42] im guessing today/tomorrow depending where at in the world you are [05:42] nixternal: probably....his home server knows about it [05:42] right [05:42] you could say that u-u-s has a mailing list now, but it's still being configured === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*#fix_your_client] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*#fix_your_client] by Hobbsee [05:45] you had it right with the ## one [05:45] interesting that he isn't doing this in #ubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] yes he is :) [05:45] he just did... [05:45] jack_wyt: port 8001 [05:45] lol === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b ##fix_your_clie*!*@*] by Hobbsee [05:46] jack_wyt: you are join/part flooding === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b ##fix_your_clie*!*@*.] by Hobbsee [05:46] nixternal: i suspect by accident [05:46] it doesnt want to banforward [05:47] i think Hobbsee sets +b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client was the correct way [05:47] he could still join === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@61.48.79.151] by Hobbsee [05:47] lol [05:47] now he can't === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@61.48.79.151##fix_your_client] by Hobbsee [05:48] there you go === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@61.48.79.151#fix_your_client] by Hobbsee [05:48] hrm === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b *!*@61.48.79.151#fix_your_client] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*] by Hobbsee [05:49] hurry now, see if it works === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client] by Hobbsee [05:49] heh, i can't /opme in here === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b *!*@61.48.79.151] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b *!*@61.48.79.151##fix_your_client] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b ##fix_your_clie*!*@*] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client] by Hobbsee [05:50] lol [05:50] yay for that section in konvi :) [05:50] /ban jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client [05:50] copy and paste it :) [05:50] yeah,i got it [05:50] hehe [05:52] Hobbsee: please unban jack_wyt [05:52] freeflying: for? [05:52] freeflying: is he speaking, as opposed to a dead client? [05:52] if he was speaking, it would be like a cell phone cutting out [05:52] freeflying: the join/part spam is annoying [05:53] freeflying: especially as it's gone on for days [05:53] h y hobb se ho ar yo d i g [05:53] Hobbsee: for his damn network, he is my workmate, i'm suufering the damn netwrok too [05:53] :) [05:53] freeflying: ahhh. how are you managing to stay in then? [05:53] freeflying: you may want to suggest he reads logs, if his connection is so flakey [05:53] Hobbsee: ssh-tunnel :) [05:54] hehe - teach him about it? [05:54] freeflying: oh, you're in asia somewhere, arnet you. that wouldnt be pleasant [05:54] Hobbsee: he haven't any ssh accounts outside our office :) [05:54] freeflying: ahh [05:56] freeflying: give him one :) [05:56] hehe [05:56] that is a horrid network if it continues to do that [05:57] nixternal: I haven't too, mine is given by imbrandon too :) [05:57] ahhh [05:57] imbrandon: ^^ :) [05:57] you can start charging ;p === freeflying 'd pay for imbrandon :) [05:58] just make sure he doesn't convert it to USD, we tend to rip people off ;) [05:59] hehe === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client] by Hobbsee [05:59] there... [06:00] Hobbsee: thanks :) [06:01] freeflying: might be worth getting your friend to ask imbrandon for a shell too [06:02] Hobbsee: then we really need pay imbrandon for it :) [06:03] freeflying: have you seen the plan that he's on? it's nuts! [06:04] Hobbsee: what plan? [06:04] freeflying: the dreamhost plans - i think they have 75 shells, at base rate [06:05] sounds nice, I'd have a look :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-221-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.48.79.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [06:49] !root [06:49] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. === Hobbsee|NotHere is now known as Hobbsee === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zigovr3 [n=zig@AAubervilliers-153-1-12-115.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zigovr3 [n=zig@AAubervilliers-153-1-12-115.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stivani [n=stivani@d51531068.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@209-94-138-57.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-35.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === katakombi [n=katakomb@dslb-084-056-174-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] Hi. I'd like to get a certain package in feisty. Is it still possible? === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-35.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying is now known as freeflying|away === ubijtsa2 [i=ubijtsa@nat/redhat/x-16b605315fa9b67c] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [i=ubijtsa@nat/redhat/x-2f8e7452eeb138d5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-35.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:48] Tonio_, Riddell: guidance have one release critical bug: crash on startup w/o config file - fix is in svn, but I do not have time to provide debdiff [11:48] Tonio_: how did you create your orig.tar.gz: it is lacking some files on powermanager/icons (ac-adapter, processor) [11:49] Tonio_: and debian/*.install file still packages just battery-*.png - it should also include processor.png and ac-adaptor.png === Lure has to run for another meeting - bbl === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C29a3.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:59] ping Riddell === hunger_ is now known as hunger === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.142.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stivani [n=stivani@d51531068.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.218.230.191] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:40] Lure: ac-adapter isn't there ?????? [01:41] argh, I missed the install file..... [01:41] Lure: I'm fixing this [01:41] hi Zerlinna [01:41] Lure: ping ? [01:41] hey Riddell [01:42] Riddell: is the freeze active or can I upoad a latest guidance ? [01:42] Tonio_: go ahead [01:44] Riddell: I'm just doing the package [01:45] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda I hope it's ok like this [01:49] Lure: uploaded, sorry for missing the install file changes... [01:50] Lure: also, you missed one of my change in guidance-power-manager.py, I readded it, I will send you a patch for svn === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] Riddell: I'll try to attend at solution linux 2007 booth [01:57] hey all [01:58] Riddell: we need at least one kubuntu person there :) === Hobbsee is still alive [01:58] hi Hobbsee [01:59] hi Hobbsee [01:59] :) heya [02:01] oh dear. we still have an "insert image here" section of the released kubuntu docs in edgy - the examples on the cd [02:02] x2 [02:03] Tonio_: do you have CDs? [02:04] Zerlinna: that looks good [02:04] Zerlinna: I have a real life meeting this evening, but I'll try and be at CC too [02:04] a real life meeting? whta's that? [02:05] <\sh> moins Zerlinna [02:05] <\sh> happy new year :) [02:05] akademy organisres [02:05] Riddell: it would be good if you could be at the cc [02:06] hey \sh ! long time no see, happy new year ! [02:07] Riddell: nope can you provide a few cds to me ? [02:08] I'll contact the french locoteam to be sure they accept me and then we can rediscuss this maybe [02:11] Tonio_: will someone of us be present at fosdem? [02:13] Riddell: ooh, fun :) [02:13] Zerlinna: I don't know at all... not that I know [02:14] Tonio_: hmmm pity [02:15] Zerlinna: but I can't imagin there is no ubuntu booth in there, I just don't know about kubuntu [02:16] Tonio_: there is a ubuntu booth http://www.fosdem.org/2007/booths :) [02:17] <\sh> Zerlinna:http://www.fosdem.org/2007/booths [02:17] <\sh> ubuntu-be will be there [02:17] \sh: I meant if there will also be some kubuntu-people [02:18] Tonio_: what is the date of the event? [02:18] from 01/30 to 02/01 [02:18] Riddell: 3 days [02:18] erk === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-06.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:18] I'll contact ubuntu-fr today so I hope a response for tomorrow [02:18] is that too late to provide me cds ? [02:19] wait, that's not /in/ three days [02:19] no, that's in 3 weeks, and the meeting is 3 days long :) [02:20] Tonio_: order it on shipit then and put FAO maralize in the title so it gets processed fast [02:21] fosdem looks set to be awesome this year; can't wait [02:21] Riddell: okay, what is FAO maralize ? what does this mean ? [02:22] for attention of [02:22] Maralize is incharge of shipit [02:23] mhb: ping [02:24] Riddell: okay thanks :) === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] Riddell: talking about that, is your invitation for akademy 2007 still valid ? ^^ [02:33] Tonio_: which invitation was that? [02:34] Riddell: you told me 2 month ago you would like me to be there ;) [02:34] certainly would [02:34] everyone should come [02:34] Riddell: I'm intereted, although I don't know if I'll be free to come, that depends if I get a new job or not..... [02:35] if I get a knew one, that means no vacations for a year.... [02:35] bonus points to mhb for getting the kubuntu meeting at the top of UWN [02:35] no holidays for a year? what happened to french labour laws? [02:36] Riddell: we have 5 weeks per year, but in fact you have to win them, 2 days by month [02:37] so when you start working, you generally have to wait for May to take the vacations you won [02:37] so if I start in march or april, that means I will have to wait for may next year to take them [02:37] that's a bit strange I know, but that's it ;) [02:47] yay, cd testing... [02:51] hum that kdebluetooth makes me crazy.... the patch didn't apply during the build, although that's a simple-patchsys task.... [02:51] I don't understand [02:55] Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_07_dunhandler_desktop.patch at level 1 ... success. [02:55] that's a nightmare..... works locally [02:56] fast creating kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth-common/dunhandler/dunhandler.desktop [02:56] argh !!!!!!!! it is regenerated :/ [02:57] Riddell: I'll fix this later, since that's not an emergency at all.... I'll prepare the package and wait for herd2 to be out === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm174.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] Tonio_: Did you read my "kbluetoothd uses /etc/init.d/bluez-utils where it should use /etc/init.d/bluetooth" message? [03:00] sebas: yup [03:01] sebas: I also have to patch this [03:01] Tonio_: Ok, thanks [03:07] sebas: patch is done, I'll wait for herd2 to upload [03:07] Kool [03:08] Riddell: ping [03:14] jdong: hi [03:14] Riddell: question regarding DFSG ktorrent and the GeoIP database [03:14] does the GeoIP standard license really violate Ubuntu's main guidelines? [03:14] Azureus is in universe (not multiverse) and ships with the same database [03:15] Novell/SUSE even ships the database with opensuse's ktorrent === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-045-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #kubuntu-devel === svn_ [n=stivani@d51531068.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.177.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:33] jdong: can i smack midmark (cimmo) with the cluebat please? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] Hobbsee: he's just a user who is slightly ticked off at the possibility of losing 500MB or so of data every time he uses his USB stick [03:34] crazy fool [03:35] Heya [03:35] jdong: i can understand that. but a crackpot solution usually doesnt work too well either [03:35] which solution is crackpot? [03:35] mounting sync, or remount-ro then umount? === Jucato waves at Hobbsee! [03:35] whichever. without Riddell deciding which one is better [03:35] hey Jucato! [03:35] well, when will Riddell decide? [03:36] this is a decision that could've been made a month before Edgy released when this bug was discovered [03:36] Riddell: jdong i suggest you ask him [03:36] instead it's been ignored and shoved back forever [03:36] jdong: then write the damned debdiff. you clearly know what teh solution is. that will get you a hell of a lot further than just bitching constantly. [03:36] Riddell: care to express an opinion on how best to safely handle unmounting writable media in Edgy? === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.142.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] Hobbsee: I'm not a KDE developer... where is unmounting handled? what source package? what cpp files? [03:37] aiee! http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/night-bans-tougher-tests-for-pplaters/2007/01/09/1168104983564.html [03:37] jdong: in dbus somewhere. [03:37] in dbus somewhere? [03:37] which KDE source package handles the KDE portion of it though [03:37] kdebase? kdelibs? [03:38] I'm not downloading a 30MB source package in my slow wifi link to find out it's the wrong one [03:40] jdong: talking about the usbkey issue, we have 2 things to do : [03:40] test 3.5.6 [03:40] and test packages without sime's patches [03:40] Tonio_: I don't think sime's patches are to blame. The problem exposes itself in FC6 and Opensuse 10.2 [03:41] jdong: great then [03:41] jdong: I thought it was a ubuntu only issue [03:41] jdong: then we have to test with 3.5.6 [03:41] Tonio_: from what Hobbsee said, the KDE response was 'we will fix it with KDE4' :D [03:41] jdong: pffffffff stupid :( [03:41] my sentiments exactly [03:42] it worked before so we just have to revert the code........ [03:42] 'we'll fix it after the release' === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.177.212] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:42] worked with 3.5.3 afaicr [03:42] Tonio_: it was a side effect of transitioning to d-bus [03:42] so I'm not sure if we'd want to revert that :) [03:42] jdong: hum, probably not indeed [03:42] hence why I suggested mounting sync for the time being [03:43] so the issue would be in dbus+kde and not kde code change ? [03:43] well, kde code change to have removable media handled by d-bus rather than itself [03:43] I'm guessing that during that shift, KDE lost its ability to see deeply into mounting behavior === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:44] the kde way to react to hard bugs is dangerous [03:44] "wait for kde4" [03:44] I know [03:44] that's great, but when will kde4 be mature ? [03:44] and all apps ported to it (k3b, amarok....) [03:44] that'll take a while [03:44] but to be fair it does seem like this is a bug at the core of storage management and isn't trivial to resolve in a technically meritable way [03:44] which is why I suggested my two workarounds [03:45] (1) mount sync like SUSE/Redhat does [03:45] the problem is that kde 3 become unstable [03:45] (2) Change unmounting behavior to remount-ro then unmount [03:45] 3.5.3 was just perfect [03:45] and each new release adds a bunch of new critical bugs [03:45] 3.5.4 went with this one [03:45] that sadly seems like the case [03:46] 3.5.5 went with the crappy kwallet not saving passwords on logout...... [03:46] that really critical [03:46] but I'm sure these will all get fixed in KDE4 ;-) [03:46] jdong: your workarround can be the solution as long as we know kde 3 will not be fixed.... [03:46] jdong: are you able to provide patches for this ? [03:47] Tonio_: no, I don't know the best way to effect that. It's a dbus/hal config file in /etc [03:47] Tonio_: I'd have to recommend talking to one of our experts in that field of how it should be done [03:47] because only kubuntu needs to do it; ubuntu/gnome is unaffected [03:47] jdong: hum, we can hack that via kds package, but that's a policy violation [03:47] really crappy [03:48] right :-/ [03:48] and we cannot change the file directly cause that'll impact gnome too [03:48] I wasn't sure if touching hal was something kds was supposed to do [03:48] okay can you send me the etc config file patched ? [03:48] I'll test and then think about a solution [03:48] something acceptable [03:48] jdong: only hal is supposed to touch hal ;) [03:49] otherwise that's a debian policy violation [03:49] not any package is supposed to touch etc/ files except the file holding package === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-5-35.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:49] Tonio_: look at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi , line 32 to end [03:50] there's already commented-out sample config lines for forcing sync (on media <1GB, but that check can be easily removed) [03:50] IMO we should not be using that check because media >1GB suffer from the exact same issue [03:50] yup [03:51] I have a 2gb usb key that has the same problem [03:51] right; size isn't the issue; write speed of the medium is the biggest one [03:51] yup [03:51] and nothing says media greater than n GB will write blindingly fast ;-) [03:51] hum I have to go for a few minutes, brb [03:51] np [03:51] thanks for your time, Tonio_ [03:51] jdong: but we have to think about a fix for the release, that's really critical [03:52] yeah [03:52] we have to follow how opensuse, mandriva etc... are dealing with this [03:52] seya [03:55] hello everyone [03:55] hi seele [03:56] Tonio_: we do not need your change - it is ok in SVN [03:56] jdong: what i said was "it's a result of this, it's already been fixed in kde4" - you know, it's a really bad idea to read someone's text, then interpret it however you like, then blame them constantly. [03:56] Tonio_: and kde-guidance-powermanager needs to depend on kde-guidance [03:56] hi Hobbsee, I noticed you poked me [03:56] Lure: hum not that I've seen [03:56] Tonio_: and kde-guidance does not need to depend on python-dbus [03:57] Tonio_: all needed icons are in SVN - I just do not know how you create your tar ball - it is missing some files in powermanager/icons [03:57] hi everyone too :) [03:57] abattoir: glad to see you [03:57] Lure: yeah I changed that to make it clear [03:57] Tonio_: like processor.png, ac-adaptor.png which are there forever [03:58] mhb: I noticed you poked me :P [03:58] Lure: you have all the icons, but you don't use it [03:58] lemme give you a diff [03:58] hey mhb. i'll repoke later [03:58] Tonio_: I think that tarbal should be SVN as-is [03:58] Lure: I added them back in my today's upload, my fault indeed [03:58] Lure: icons/ is a hudge mess........ [03:58] why not make it clean once and for all ? [03:58] Tonio_: and you have .svn dirs (use svn export instead of svn co) [03:58] jdong: now you see why i wasnt about to somehow make a patch out of the listed solution there - it's more complicated than first looks [03:59] Tonio_: not anymore - I have removed everyhting that is not needed [03:59] Tonio_: only needed .png is there and all valid .svg's === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-207-145.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:59] Tonio_: there is still icons/png dir which we probably do not need anymore, but I need to talk with sebas before nuking it [04:00] main is frozen already :-( [04:00] Riddell: we will need exception for this one I think [04:01] Lure: you miss icons under icons/ [04:01] all the icons for charging/discharging are under icons/png === ingmar_ [n=ingmar@vpna201.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] but important icons are under icons, like ac-adapter and processor [04:01] Tonio_: no, they are duplicated - both in icons and icons/png [04:01] Lure: look at my latest tarball [04:02] Lure: NO ! ;) you miss charging-80 for example [04:02] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/42 [04:02] Lure: and concerning the changes I'm doing, here they are [04:02] you also miss 80% there [04:02] Tonio_: charging-80 is not used in code ;-) [04:02] Lure: that's the change I'm doing === Hobbsee is now known as Hobbsee|NotHere [04:02] Tonio_: I have seen your diff, it is just obsolete [04:02] 85 -> 75 -> 60 [04:03] where is the logic behind ? [04:03] Tonio_: we do not have 80% icon - that is [04:03] ;-) [04:03] Lure: it is in icons/png [04:03] Lure: that's why it is messy [04:03] Tonio_: it is not! [04:03] Tonio_: at least not in SVN [04:04] Lure: it was in my previous upload ;) [04:04] Tonio_: it might be in your tar, but I do not know how you got it [04:04] I added the icon and the changes in the python file :) [04:04] Lure: I made it [04:04] Tonio_: it might, but it was wrong icon [04:04] ;-) [04:04] Lure: okay let's make it clear [04:04] ok, at least it is clear now ;-) [04:04] are you okay if I prepare a tar archive with : [04:05] all charging/discharging icons [04:05] my changes on the code to use them [04:05] and clean icons structure [04:05] Tonio_: yes, if 80% is not there (as we do not have .svg for it) [04:05] I sum up the changes via an email and you sync if you are okay with them right ? [04:05] Lure: no need of svn for those icons, they are pure bitmap ones.... [04:05] Tonio_: just use SVN and pakcage battery*.png processor.png ac-adpater.png from icons/ and you are done [04:06] Lure: will do but are you okay for my changes if I'm doing that way ? [04:06] Tonio_: but then we have build dep on inkscape === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Tonio_: small icons are very tricky for svg->png conversion (rendering) [04:06] Lure: we are not building icons via svg file..... the svg files are old ones [04:07] that's why we need to clean this ! [04:07] the new icons don't have svg files, they are pure bitmap [04:07] Tonio_: no, they are only new in upt-to-date svn - do not look at your tar ball! [04:07] ;-) [04:07] I'm looking at the svn ! [04:07] Tonio_: new icons have .svg! [04:07] no ! ;) [04:08] look at the files ! [04:08] svg and png are not the same [04:08] Tonio_: _1 to _9 icons are new from kwwii [04:08] argh ! [04:08] Lure: we can't have 3 version of the icons in the same folder......... [04:08] Tonio_: just open them with Inkscape (konq cannot render them for some reason) [04:09] Lure: okay but can you then remove all the old ones from the svn to make it clear ? [04:09] Tonio_: I know, but we care only about .png for packaging, so I do not see what is the problem [04:09] battery-charging-040.svg that's n-2 version [04:09] battery-charging-040.png -> n-1 [04:09] Tonio_: I can cleanup svn, but I need to talk with sebas and kwwii if this is ok [04:09] battery-charging_1.svg -> n [04:10] that's a hudge mess ;) how can I follow this ? [04:10] Tonio_: I have cleaned up all .png on icons/ so that we can have a simple rule that we need all .png from icons/*.png [04:10] Lure: and shouldn't we have png in the svn directly instead of converting during the build ? [04:10] Tonio_: no need to follow .svg ;-) [04:10] Lure: sure, but well svg+png is very common in tarballs :) [04:10] Tonio_: we do not convert .svg during the build - it is there for artists only [04:11] Lure: okay se what is the point ? [04:11] how do we get the png icons ? [04:11] Lure: Sure, go ahead === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] Tonio_: sure they can be in tar ball (it should be everything that svn export gives you) [04:11] Lure: okay that's great [04:11] sebas: so it is OK to remove old .svg and png dir? [04:11] Yes [04:11] sebas: I wil do it now to make Tonio happy ;-) [04:11] Lure: and also a 80% icon would be nice, I'll look in doing it (very easy) [04:11] That'd be nice [04:12] Tonio_: and sorry for confusion [04:12] Sorry for making it such a mess in the first place. [04:12] to make the steps logic instead of 85->75->60>50 [04:12] are you okay on that point ? [04:12] Tonio_: we do not need it - you dont see the diff with the eye anyhow (too small) [04:12] Tonio_: we could drop some more even [04:12] ;-) [04:12] Lure: well the step between 75 ans 60 is a bit violent to me :) [04:12] Right, we made it to work well visually, not arithmetically :) [04:13] Lure: I saw that using the app, but maybe I'm just a stupid paranoid === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.178] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] ;) [04:13] Tonio_: talk with artists than - we can not fix this for Herd2 [04:13] Lure: sure [04:13] ac-adapter.png is also from other planet (ugly), but that what we have now [04:13] okay so it is tool late for herd2, but I'm waiting for the svn and I will do a clean package then ;) [04:14] Lure: sorry for the issue [04:14] Tonio_: pinheiro will work on it (I just need to send him an e-mail - I will mention also 80% gap) [04:14] yep [04:14] Lure: great so that we can apply my patch the py code to go in a 10% step [04:14] Tonio_: we at least need to fix crash on startup - why it is too late? We can ask for exception. Riddell? [04:14] hope its not urgent im swaped with work [04:14] Lure: I uploaded this [04:15] quickly done today [04:15] pinheiro: no urgency - until feisty release ;-) [04:15] Lure: I'm happy for it [04:15] how do you guys like the development in oxygen? [04:15] Lure: the package isn't perfect, next will fix deps etc.... but it works [04:15] becoming less black :P [04:15] pinheiro: yay :) === Tonio_ really brb this time :) [04:16] Lure: thanks for making it clear to me this time :) [04:16] pinheiro: great! [04:16] pinheiro: hooray! :) [04:16] dont need t be this hapy :P [04:16] pinheiro: very, very good :) [04:16] yea im hapy to so... [04:16] :) [04:17] any way trying to get the core action icons done this week [04:19] pinheiro: when do you think I can put oxygen icons into kdelibs trunk? [04:19] can we wait to the end of the week i hope that by then i will have the core actions mostly done [04:20] Riddell: 3700 icons somthing must be wrong [04:21] im my wildest dreams i counted arround 2000 [04:21] pinheiro: if I can do it this weekend that would work out nicely [04:21] ok [04:21] back to work then much to be done [04:23] Tonio_: removed icons/png dir and old .svg icons. Now we have right .png (for package) and only new .svg (for artists) [04:24] Tonio_: we can rename .svg names to match .png when artists will figure out 80% [04:24] Tonio_: ok? [04:25] Tonio_: if you can "svn export" again and prepare new package with all icons it would be great [04:25] Tonio_: I am sure Riddell can ask for freeze exception (as it fixes very visible bug for Live CD on laptop) === Lure has to hit the road now - will be back in cca 2 hours [04:27] Tonio_: sorry for all the mess and late minute changes === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:50] Tonio_: poke poke? [04:56] Riddell: You want to use oxygen icons with kde 3.x? [05:00] The oxygen icons guy at akademy said he'll change the license of the icons if he finds someone doing that. [05:00] hunger: me one of the oxygen guys [05:00] :) [05:01] Riddell: ping ? [05:01] Riddell: do you use svn+ssh with KDE SVN? For some reason my first couple of attempts at logging in didn't work, on the 3rd or 4th password attempt it worked [05:01] pinheiro: Great, so it is OK now to use those icons with non-kde4? [05:01] nope [05:01] Riddell: want me to prepare and upload a finally fixed guidance ? [05:01] :) [05:01] ridel is talking about k4 branch [05:01] pinheiro: Good:-) It would be a waste. === hunger shuts up then. === Jucato scratches his head... [05:02] argh :) i was hoping for some new icon love for my lappy :) im using a nice, but silly icon pack from kde-look [05:02] nixternal: what icon pack? [05:02] nixternal: use the one from svn from the oxygen guys :P [05:03] i don't know. it is a collab project where the guy took icons from multiple packs and made one pack [05:03] but i find you using it i will be forced to kill you :P [05:03] ah hm :) [05:03] hehe [05:03] pinheiro: i am not a windows user, so i dont' use stuff "illegally" anymore :) [05:03] oo its not ilegal [05:04] im just joking [05:04] read the licence [05:04] you can use it [05:04] well then, guess i will have to do something then :) [05:04] Tonio_: yes please [05:05] hunger: kdelibs trunk is KDE 4 [05:05] Riddell: maybe you know this example icon what is that one [05:05] you marked it as unknow [05:06] pinheiro: in icons.ods? I wasn't sure [05:06] yep [05:06] I never found it [05:06] the fact is that i cant find it any were [05:06] I think it's a figment of aseigo's imagination [05:07] hehehhehee [05:07] will talk to him them [05:08] my head was going into mush over this ones [05:09] wasn't there something about that in the latest kde commit digest? [05:10] Riddell: currently building. I'm testing everything and that should be okay. I also fixed the deps as lure noticed minor issues [05:20] Riddell: guidance uploaded [05:20] Tonio_: got a debdiff? [05:24] Riddell: tarball is different..... [05:24] lots of changes in binary files (png/svg) [05:25] Riddell: you need this for Mithrandir ? === jikanter [n=jordan@cs-user79.wireless.uic.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:29] Riddell: I have a debdiff, but due to svn changes, removall etc.... the content is about 6.5 MB [05:29] Riddell: not sure that will help a lot [05:30] also lots of changes since my previous upload had svn datas in it (my fault) [05:31] Tonio_: do you know what lure fixed for the crash? [05:32] Riddell: # battery critical and lid actions. [05:32] - self._setCB(self.BatteryCriticalCombo, self.cb_act, self.cb_act_def_critical, self._checkOldConfig(self.config.readEntry("batteryCriticalAction"), False)) [05:32] + self._setCB(self.BatteryCriticalCombo, self.cb_act, self.cb_act_def_critical, self._checkOldConfig(self.config.readEntry("batteryCriticalAction", ""), False)) [05:32] Riddell: unfortunatelly no [05:32] self.LaptopLidRadios.setButton(self.config.readNumEntry("laptopLidAction", 0)) #default None [05:32] Rather trivial thing [05:33] (Default value for something that's read from kconfig) [05:33] Would've been a regression, and it's really a one-liner [05:34] And it's critical since it breaks all fresh installs [05:35] ok, cool === ingmar [n=ingmar@vpnc193.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] Tonio_: guidance accepted [05:43] Cool! [05:43] Riddell: thanks [05:43] Thanks [05:44] well, thanks for fixing it :) === sebas points at Lure and Tonio_ [05:50] wo0t on guidance! [05:50] my last lappy and guidance didn't agree w/ each other, my new lappy and guidance are in love with each other === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.142.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.142.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.178] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [06:31] ../../include/QtGui/private/../../../src/gui/kernel/qt_x11_p.h:50:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl7-82-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:31] this begins the errors in building tq-copy from svn, any ideas? [06:32] qt-copy that is [06:32] and you have satisified the b-ds? [06:33] i have gotten most of them, which b-ds would that be? [06:34] ok, and libx11-dev is correctly installed? [06:37] :) [06:37] installing now === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:39] thank you sir! === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:40] is transparent and translucent the same? === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-142-113.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl7-82-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === |infinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F06AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |infinity| is now known as TheInfinity === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@153.5.60.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl7-82-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-94-138-57.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-045-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ is now known as mhb === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549562C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@219.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:55] q. is the log of the yesterday #ubuntu-meeting available from the web ? if so, any hint on how to find it ? [07:56] good question [07:56] if it is not available I have a log from it [07:56] well, not the whole thing because I had to go to bed [07:56] but most of it === rideout_ [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:57] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [07:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Kubuntu <- the official stuff seems quite obsolete [07:57] ok thanks [08:00] qt just completed [08:01] 1hr 20min, not to shabby === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@219.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] Tonio_: thanks for kde-guidance, but it seem we have another problem now: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/972/ [08:07] :-( [08:07] Tonio_: not sure how 32-wine.png would get into this package === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm174.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] Lure: it shouldn't be in the ubuntu package [08:08] yuriy: why not? [08:08] yuriy: and why it is in powermanager package - it should not be there either ;-) [08:08] Lure: because it's not done *blush* [08:08] no, it shouldn't be in any ubuntu packages, it should be separate but it's not done === mhb_ is now known as mhb [08:09] yuriy: ok === Lure downloading source to check [08:09] it should be in wineconfig [08:09] don't know how it would have gotten in some other folder [08:10] oh it might be in setup script... probably shouldn't have put that in there that early.. but i don't think the packages use that === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm174.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:23] Tonio_ (or Riddell): it only needs simple packaging fix: ftp://lure@lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff [08:23] now all icons are where they should be and it does not crash on startup [08:30] or any other core-dev (raphink, imbrandon) ^^^ ;-) === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:54] Lure: asks me for password [08:54] Lure: what is the fix ? [08:55] Tonio_: sorry: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kdebase16.debdiff [08:55] (wrong paste) [08:55] Tonio_: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff [08:55] ;-) [08:56] Tonio_: issue was that the source dir at the time of package has combination of icons from guidance and powermanager and *.png took all [08:56] Lure: right....... looks like I really lack concerntration nowadays...... [08:57] yeah I know, that's obvious....... shame on me [08:57] Tonio_: no problem, I pushed a crashing code yesterday in ;-) [08:58] yeah but that's not the first error I'm doing today [08:58] at least the 3rd [09:05] Tonio_: some days are like that ;-) [09:05] Lure: uploaded, no idea if that'll get approved [09:06] Tonio_: I hope so, otherwise they will not have LiveCD ;-) [09:07] Tonio_: you should probably notify Mithrandir in #ubuntu-devel (as others ar doing) [09:07] Lure: hehe indeed [09:11] hard day today......... I think I should leave the computer since I can't seem to do something without bullshits in it [09:13] Lure: mithrandir pinged, I'm waiting for a response [09:13] Tonio_: thanks [09:17] Lure: any indea how to install a new language now ? [09:17] Lure: language selector is out of the kmenu here.... [09:17] Tonio_: it should be in Regional&Language, but Riddell has lost the patch :-( [09:18] Lure: hehe, so it is simply not accessible now ? ;) great, I'm not crazy [09:19] yeah I remember he did something in the kcm language selector [09:19] Lure: did he publish that ? we should be able to find the package on launchpad no ? unless that only was on his hdd ? === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] Tonio_: jsut run /usr/bin/qt-language-selector [09:20] Tonio_: it was never uploaded as it seems to (losts on Riddell's computer) [09:20] Lure: yeah that's what I've done :) [09:20] Tonio_: or the screenshots at Herd2 page are just mockup from Krita ;-) [09:21] Lure: argh :) [09:21] vaporware is evil you know ! === My8os [n=My8os@ppp163-244.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [09:37] dude, do you really believe anyone making mockups would do it with krita? [09:37] :p === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-5-35.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] kwwii is right, i did those mockups with mspaint :) [09:44] i wondered the same thing, everything that is supposedly removed isn't, they are all right there still, but i think that is due to the updates instead of installing directly from a Herd 2 cd [09:46] kde-guidance-powermanager might not install [09:46] i used smartpm (it works out things) but looks like apt will have issues with it not overwriting [09:47] :p [09:47] its trying to overwrite /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics/32-wine.png [09:48] i cant tell if it worked for me or not it ends in error code 1 but dpkg --configure -a doesnt set anything up. (just a warning) [09:50] gnomefreak: that's fixed.... well uploaded at least :) [09:50] gnomefreak: we just need to wait for mithrandir to approve [09:50] k [09:51] its all good i just didnt know if it was known i knew guidance was a package you wanted to get in this morning [09:52] the one ending in 0ubuntu1 was the fixed version? [09:52] if so it was acked by the looks of it === doelman [n=doelman@87.195.0.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:53] ah same one [09:58] gnomefreak: fixed version has 0ubuntu2 version [10:01] i saw its the same version smart just re downloads it [10:04] gnomefreak: if you cannot wait, you can use this debdiff: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff [10:04] ;-) [10:04] oh i already fixed it :) [10:04] --force-overwrite :( [10:05] btw, anybody working on k3b 1.0rc? seaLne maybe? [10:08] Lure: I uploaded it yesterday [10:09] Riddell: where? nothing in feisty-updates === Lure thinks that all Riddell's uploads go to /dev/null recently ;-) [10:09] kdebase_3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu16_source.changes Rejected [10:09] bah === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] oh well, after herd 2 then [10:10] Riddell: no pb, I just thought it would be nice to test it... [10:11] that was updated [10:11] i have that version of kdebase === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C29a3.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] Riddell: true - I also have that kdebase - are you talking about k3b? [10:17] Riddell: k3b is separate source (0.12.17) === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:44] looks familiar: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2007/01/08/0 ;-) === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-025-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] Tonio_: kde-guidance accepted! === _neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.142.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode_ [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hkais [n=dpalic@213.9.108.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.160.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] Lure: great good news === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121d18.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] I've talked with upstream about digikam 0.9.1 release date and kubuntu upstream freeze on 15th. They suggested 1 Feb beta, 8 Feb rc and final 14th. sounds this reasonable? or should I ask for some days more for testing? [11:23] Riddell: ^^ [11:25] allee: I would suppose if we have rc in before freeze, that we would be allowed to get UVF for released version [11:26] allee: but it is Riddell to tell.. ;-) [11:27] Lure: sounds reasonable === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DA2F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.175.217] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hkais [n=dpalic@213.9.108.168] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.175.217] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] hm... when is feisty released? 07/04/01? === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.175.217] has joined #kubuntu-devel