[12:16] <nikola_> hi
[12:16] <nikola_> whats a good DVD player for kubuntu?
[12:16] <lascar> xine
[12:16] <lascar> and hello nikola
[12:16] <nikola_> xine?
[12:16] <foob> vlc
[12:17] <nikola_> i have vlc
[12:17] <nikola_> but it cant play DVDs as a whole.....
[12:17] <lascar> think of xine as the vlc for linux.  kinda
[12:17] <lascar> yes, they both can
[12:17] <nikola_> like, can it?
[12:17] <nikola_> hmm
[12:17] <nikola_> i know vlc plays vobs
[12:17] <lascar> and whole dvds
[12:17] <nikola_> how do i tell it to play a DVD?
[12:17] <lascar> open
[12:17] <lascar> then dvd
[12:17] <nikola_> menus, subtitles and all
[12:17] <nikola_> ok
[12:17] <nikola_> :)
[12:17] <lascar> and specify the device node
[12:17] <lascar> dev/<dvdplayer_node>
[12:18] <lascar> typically hdd
[12:18] <lupine_85> mplayer++ for DVD playing
[12:18] <lascar> but for xine, nikola_
[12:18] <lascar> it's automatic
[12:18] <lascar> just run it and hit the dvd button
[12:18] <nikola_> haha
[12:18] <nikola_> kewl
[12:18] <lascar> working?
[12:18] <nikola_> tgus worx :P
[12:18] <nikola_> yu[
[12:18] <nikola_> yup
[12:18] <nikola_> now, whats a good ftp program?
[12:19] <lascar> konqueror of course ;)
[12:19] <nikola_> its an ftp program?
[12:19] <lascar> but of course
[12:19] <lascar> and a lot of other things, thanks to kio slaves
[12:19] <foob> the unix philosophy is that programs should do one thing and do it well. konq is nice but there are better ftp clients;0
[12:19] <lupine_85> kioslaves ++
[12:20] <lupine_85> they turn kate into pure win
[12:20] <lascar> ?
[12:21] <maddog39> yoo
[12:22] <lupine_85> lascar: direct editing of html/php/etc on remote servers
[12:22] <lupine_85> it's converted more than one friend of mine to linux :D
[12:24] <Chousuke> the "one tool for one job" is kind of funny nowadays.
[12:24] <Chousuke> I see things like konqueror as a single tool that integrates multiple tools (kioslaves, for example) into one powerful suite.
[12:25] <Chousuke> so you still basically have the separate tools doing their job. they're just presented to you through something that appears to be one tool doing many things. :)
[12:25] <lupine_85> Chousuke: it's still the UNIX way :)
[12:26] <lupine_85> you just don't notice it
[12:26] <Chousuke> yeah.
[12:26] <Chousuke> sometimes it isn't as nice as I say it is though.
[12:26] <Chousuke> but I like that kind of modularity
[12:27] <soulrider> hi everyone :)
[12:27] <Chousuke> the "tools" don't have to be usable by themselves anymore. they can be part of something bigger.
[12:28] <lascar> ah.
[12:28] <lascar> agreed.
[12:28] <lascar> and on that pleasant note
[12:28] <lascar> g'night everyone
[12:30] <mike_> hi every one
[12:30] <mike_> i am trying to get my broadcom bcm4306 wireless card to work under edgy and am having very limited success
[12:30] <mike_> can anyone give some help
[12:33] <mike_> is anyone alive in herre
[12:33] <mike_> here
[12:35] <crusty> hello! iv got problem with adept........cant install or remove program!...cant wirk this out......any help?
[12:35] <soulrider> crusty: youre running it as root right?
[12:35] <crusty> yes
[12:35] <soulrider> when you open it, does it prompt for the password ?
[12:36] <crusty> yes
[12:36] <soulrider> try this:
[12:36] <soulrider> !adeptfix | crusty
[12:36] <ubotu> crusty: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:36] <fdoving> mike_: did you follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ?
[12:36] <crusty> thank i will
[12:37] <b0nn> Hi all, Im trying to get svideo out working on my laptop/kubuntu, and I really dont know where to start, any pointers tips or urls I could follow?
[12:37] <mike_> i had tried the ndis wrapper i am about to start on the fwcutter
[12:37] <mike_> but i have tried that before and failed but not from that doc
[12:37] <foob> im trying to use fuse but when i type "sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1/ -o umask=0007" i get: "Use the force option to work a mounted filesystem. Mount failed." What should I do? is this just because /media/hda1 is already mounted read-only by fstab?
[12:38] <mike_> i had found a lot of docs and most seemed to be incomplete
[12:38] <mike_> thank you fdoving
[12:38] <Minataku> foob: Perhaps the device is already mounted
[12:38] <Minataku> Type "df" to verify
[12:39] <foob> Minataku:  it is, doees that mean it's safe to start writing to ntfs?
[12:39] <foob> its mounted read only like i said tho
[12:39] <Minataku> Really it's NEVER save to write to NTFS
[12:39] <foob> i need to make it mounted for write
[12:39] <foob> i know but you know what i mean ;
[12:39] <mike_> dont use NTFS then
[12:39] <Minataku> And if it's mounted r/o then you need to unmount it first
[12:39] <Minataku> Then remount it
[12:39] <foob> k
[12:39] <fdoving> you're welcome mike_, hope it works for you. Knetworkmanager does not work for me, I recommend kwlan.
[12:40] <Minataku> [18:38:18]  Minataku Really it's NEVER save to write to NTFS << That's from within Windows as well ;D XD
[12:40] <mike_> cool thanks are you using the fwcutter or ndiswrapper
[12:40] <foob> do i type umount /dev/hda1 or umount /media/hda1, to unmount it?
[12:40] <lupine_85> !ntfs-3g
[12:40] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:40] <lupine_85> make a backup
[12:40] <Minataku> foob: Rither
[12:40] <Minataku> *Either
[12:40] <foob> linux rules
[12:41] <foob> just wish i could rule linux
[12:41] <Minataku> foob: Indeed
[12:41] <Minataku> foob: Keep learning, you will soon
[12:41] <Minataku> You made the hardest step already, after all
[12:41] <mike_> that is true Minataku
[12:41] <foob> unmounting/remounting worked, thanks
[12:41] <foob> Minataku:  that's true ;0
[12:42] <foob> im good with most user commands, just need to learn /sbin stuff
[12:43] <foob> where good = terrible
[12:43] <mike_> that is where all your main commands for the system are stored
[12:43] <Minataku> Yeah, that's where the dangerous stuff lives
[12:43] <foob> the fun stuff :)
[12:43] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <foob> stuff that you can use to admin the system from one command line and not have to reboot, unlike windows admining :|
[12:44] <Minataku> I was thinking the other day, "Some things are really dangerous for unskilled users"
[12:44] <mike_> foob check this http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/commands/linux_crfilest.html
[12:44] <Minataku> Then I realized "It's dangerous no matter how skilled you are"
[12:44] <Minataku> What changes is the amount of respect for the dangerous capabilities
[12:44] <mike_> good call
[12:45] <crusty> UBOTU this is what i get from konsole.........Iv got some dependency problem leaving configuration........Errors were encountered while processing:libxine-extracodecs
[12:45] <dwidmann> !bot
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[12:46] <crusty> soulrider how do i run adept fix?
[12:46] <mike_> !adeptfix | crusty
[12:46] <ubotu> crusty: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:47] <mike_> you get that crusty
[12:51] <crusty> ubotu iv done that .......but konsole come out with this.....dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libxine-extracodecs:
[12:52] <Jucato> crusty: ubotu is a bot
[12:52] <foob> i did what it says on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse but when i try to write to my ntfs partition (using "sudo cp bla.txt /media/hda1' it says 'permission denied' any ideas?
[12:52] <crusty> me too!
[12:53] <mike_> because any writing that you need to do to ntf should never be done from Linux this can damage the file system
[12:53] <mike_> all means of writing to ntfs from linux are not stable
[12:53] <mike_> i would not do it if you like having your data
[12:53] <foob> well it was my last chance to save my data, i dont care if it possibly messes up windows
[12:53] <foob> im doing it BECAUSE i like my data!
[12:54] <foob> i have no other way to get my data from ext3 to windows so i can repartition smarter and reinstall windows
[12:54] <mike_> well you run a high risk of osing it
[12:54] <Minataku> foob: Get a backup drive or something and copy it over
[12:54] <foob> otehr than buying a usb harddrive that i cant afford
[12:54] <mike_> losing it if writing from linux to ntfs
[12:54] <Minataku> Which only requires read access
[12:54] <foob> and why does fuse and ntfs-g website say they're pretty safe
[12:55] <crusty> mike-  how do i run adeptfix???
[12:55] <dwidmann> foob, do you have another computer around, or a friends computer you could use to copy t he data to?
[12:55] <foob> dwidmann: come on, you think i havent thought of that, seriouslY? :P
[12:55] <Minataku> foob: They are pretty safe, but Microsoft keeps screwing with NTFS and I'm thinking there might be traps in it
[12:55] <fdoving> nite all.
[12:55] <dwidmann> foob, never know
[12:56] <foob> i hate microsoft :(
[12:56] <Minataku> Remember, Microsoft hates everything that takes money they don't deserve out of their pockets
[12:56] <foob> bill gates is friends with warren buffet, you'd think they'd have more integrity by now
[12:56] <Minataku> Bill Gates doesn't control MS anymore
[12:56] <foob> oh yeah, nm :P
[12:56] <foob> figures
[12:56] <foob> gotta keep it evil
[12:57] <Minataku> That's obvious in that Bill Gates hates DRM and says it should be bypassed/not used
[12:57] <dwidmann> Bill gates doesn't bother me. Steve Ballmer does.
[12:57] <Minataku> So clearly he has absolutely no authority whatsoever
[12:57] <mike_> yea Ballmer is the spawn of satan
[12:57] <foob> whats annoying is avid windows users defend microsoft and say they're not evil. i dont get that, even employees of ms say they're evil, especially ex-employees like joel splosky
[12:57] <Minataku> dwidmann: Anybody NOT bothered by Steve Ballsack is either crazy or getting paid by him
[12:57] <foob> exactly
[12:57] <dwidmann> more than likely the latter
[12:58] <Minataku> No offense to anyone intended in case that matches anyone
[12:58] <foob> ballsack heh
[12:58] <intelikey> Minataku bill is right about that.  DRM is evil     TC = 666
[12:58] <Minataku> intelikey: Indeed
[12:58] <foob> drm is the reason i switched to ubuntu instead of considering vista
[12:58] <Minataku> "Trusted Computing: Because we refuse to trust any of our "customers"."
[12:58] <foob> and now i see a ton more reasons to have made that choice, so the drm helped me get to linux, thus it had a good side ;0
[12:59] <Minataku> Linux makes the TPM chip obey the user, not the corporations
[12:59] <foob> reminds me of aol, how they'll rat out any user to any company that asks
[12:59] <intelikey> Minataku exactly,  but more than that.    "Trusted Computing: Because you can trust us to control every thing you do"
[12:59] <foob> paying for that kind of disservice is crazy
[01:00] <foob> os x and linux are the future
[01:00] <Minataku> foob: Or how Yahoo and Microsoft bent over and turned over their archive of search queries without the slightest bit of a fight
[01:00] <foob> ms will fall
[01:00] <Minataku> foob: NO
[01:00] <Minataku> OSX IS WORSE
[01:00] <foob> nah
[01:00] <Minataku> Apple is 10x more evil than MS
[01:00] <foob> apple at least tries
[01:00] <Minataku> foob: Intel Macs + OSX? _TOTALLY_ TPM'd
[01:00] <dwidmann> I don't know, they both like the idea of lining their pockets with gold.
[01:00] <foob> i could be wrong, i dont even know what tpm means ;0
[01:01] <BombTron> is there a good Virtual Machine piece of software for Kubuntu
[01:01] <foob> at least apple makes quality stuff
[01:01] <kubuntero> dwidmann: politicians and leprachauns ?
[01:01] <Minataku> I'm almost positive that the ONLY reason Apple switched to Intel was to force people into buying Macs built around TCPA
[01:01] <dwidmann> and doing anything and everything they deem necessary to pull it off ...
[01:01] <dwidmann> and lawyers?
[01:01] <foob> BombTron:  vmware, qemu
[01:01] <Jucato> BombTron: vmware-player ?
[01:01] <Minataku> ALL Intel Macs have a TPM chip
[01:01] <foob> vmware-server
[01:01] <kubuntero> BombTron: try Qemu vmware Xen and soon KVM
[01:01] <BombTron> like windows houser
[01:01] <Minataku> And OSX depends on it to function
[01:01] <dwidmann> vmware-server :)
[01:01] <foob> player doesnt let you create vm's, only use existing ones
[01:02] <Jucato> but there's easyvmx for creating quick vm's
[01:02] <kubuntero> foob: Do you have to buy vmware server?
[01:02] <BombTron> I'm finding I need some windows software and wine is not doing shit
[01:02] <Jucato> kubuntero: no
[01:02] <foob> the ONLY thing i dont like about linux is how it doesnt support new hardware
[01:02] <BombTron> I have no VM stuff at all
[01:02] <kubuntero> Cool :)
[01:02] <Jucato> vmware server isn't available in the repos, but it's free
[01:02] <Minataku> foob: Same issue
[01:02] <kubuntero> foob: Please say it correctly
[01:02] <kubuntero> new hardware does not support linux
[01:02] <foob> ?
[01:02] <Minataku> Blame capitalism and "protecting intellectual property"
[01:02] <foob> oh ;0 well yeah
[01:02] <foob> i do
[01:02] <foob> i know its not linux's fault
[01:03] <foob> for the most part, though um
[01:03] <Minataku> Companies won't tell anyone a thing about their hardware anymore
[01:03] <kubuntero> Hooray patents :)
[01:03] <foob> i think too many developers are busy working on stupid gui front ends to everything (probably to gain fame?) when they could be working on drivers and other more important stuff, just my opinion though
[01:03] <BombTron> thanks so vmware server is the place to start?
[01:03] <foob> i dont need yet another mpg-123 front end
[01:04] <BombTron> my google searching
[01:04] <foob> BombTron:  i like it. havent tried qemu though
[01:04] <Minataku> foob: The problem is that nothing is known about the hardware because "it's protected intellectual property" and/or "it'll be used to circumvent DRM and steal intellectual property"
[01:04] <BombTron> foob: ok thanks
[01:04] <Minataku> The second one is going to be the future of video cards
[01:04] <dwidmann> These "stupid gui frontends" happen to attract users, attracting users = attracting developers, so I don't think there's a reason to complain there foob
[01:04] <Jucato> foob: hardware compatibility usually depends on the kernel level, not on the userspace level
[01:04] <foob> luckily more and more reverse engineers are workin for linux now and not just cracking windows software anymore
[01:05] <Minataku> And IIRC the DMCA includes an exception to allow reverse engineering for interoperability purposes
[01:05] <foob> dwidmann: you could be right, i just think it gets out of hand
[01:05] <BombTron> foob: isn't it that windows sacrifices everything for compatablility including resources load and securtity
[01:05] <kubuntero> Minataku: For now the new amendment removes that
[01:05] <foob> BombTron: yeah
[01:05] <dwidmann> new ammendment?
[01:05] <BombTron> windows is compatable and nothing else good really
[01:06] <Minataku> kubuntero: What's this "new amendment" bullexcrement
[01:06] <kubuntero> Wonders when a O-T is gonna be thrown :)
[01:06] <BombTron> the load it runs is horribly
[01:06] <BombTron> horrible
[01:06] <Jucato> !offtopic
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[01:06] <BombTron> ouch
 These "stupid gui frontends" happen to attract users, ?????  really ?
[01:06] <BombTron> !ontopic
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[01:06] <kubuntero> They aer trying to "repass" DMCa with a more restricted law I forget what the acronym is now but it's basically DMCA
[01:06] <Minataku> kubuntero: It better fail, though with Bush we all know how that's going to go
[01:06] <foob> shutdown -topic now
[01:07] <nikola_> HOW DO I GET WIFI TO WORK?
[01:07] <BombTron> sudo make topic ?
[01:07] <Jucato> !wireless
[01:07] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:07] <dwidmann> intelikey, to some extent, anyway.
[01:07] <foob> mknod
[01:07] <BombTron> sorry I don't know make command well
[01:07] <Minataku> Our only hope is that the dems support the new DMCA, that way Bush will throw it away
[01:07] <Minataku> lol
[01:07] <kubuntero> hi nikola_
[01:07] <kubuntero>  :)
[01:07] <nikola_> haha
[01:07] <nikola_> thx
[01:07] <nikola_> :P
[01:07] <nikola_> i will read that
[01:07] <Jucato> nikola_: next time, try not to shout :)
[01:07] <nikola_> and then if i have more questions, ill ask :P
[01:07] <BombTron> DMCA?
[01:07] <nikola_> sry :P
[01:08] <Minataku> As long as it fails, if not then everyone is screwed and computing as we know it will be over
[01:08] <foob> digital management copyright act or whatever
[01:08] <kubuntero> in the support of getting support can I import a .pst?
[01:08] <BombTron> ah
[01:08] <foob> i forget what m means
[01:08] <intelikey> dwidmann hmmm  if you say so.  i thought    well never mind what i thought.
[01:08] <dwidmann> the US gov has gone from bad to worse over the last 6 years :\
[01:08] <foob> probably media
[01:08] <Minataku> Computers will turn black-box and suicide themselves if opened
[01:08] <BombTron> well we don't make anything but intelectual property in the USA
[01:08] <kubuntero> legally
[01:08] <intelikey> kubuntero what's a pst ?
[01:08] <revolution27> just popped in to say i hate drm too
[01:08] <hassan2a> salut
[01:09] <foob> you guys might wanna join #kubuntu-offtopic before you get banned though :P this is a good convo
[01:09] <kubuntero> intelikey: Outlook address Book/mail format
[01:09] <BombTron> !banned
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[01:09] <kubuntero> When you export from outlook it comes out as pst
[01:09] <intelikey> kubuntero export it as csa and you can.
[01:09] <Minataku> As if changing the venue will get more questions answered
[01:09] <nikola_> i have an airport card, would that be an aiport extreme card?
[01:10] <Minataku> Instead of being here not answering questions, we'll be THERE not answering questions
[01:10] <Minataku> XD
[01:10] <kubuntero> intelikey: Ah and suppose the issue at hand is that I can't get outlook to open?
[01:10] <intelikey> csa ?    comma seperated plain text      what ever it is.
[01:10] <malik_> !CLI
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[01:10] <kubuntero> nikola_: When did you get it?
[01:10] <Minataku> But I do apologize for going off-topic
[01:10] <Minataku> Sorry
[01:10] <nikola_> last year
[01:10] <nikola_> iMac G5, last PPC model
[01:10] <hassan2a> nikola_:
[01:10] <hassan2a> !fr
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[01:10] <kubuntero> It's airport extreme
[01:11] <nikola_> mmk
[01:11] <intelikey> kubuntero you can try mozilla it might import it.
[01:11] <kubuntero> Hmm interesting
[01:11] <kubuntero> intelikey: By which you mean thunderbird?
[01:11] <intelikey> yeah
[01:11] <intelikey> or plain mozilla-mailnews
[01:12] <intelikey> either one.
[01:12] <kubuntero> Well the hard drive just disappeared again I'll have to reboot
[01:12] <intelikey> !enter | intelikey
[01:12] <ubotu> intelikey: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:12] <kubuntero> intelikey: You are a good man
[01:12] <intelikey> :)
[01:12] <intelikey> by what standard ?
[01:13] <kubuntero> Here take my advice. I'm not using it!
[01:13] <hassan2a> !enter | hassan2a
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[01:13] <kubuntero> By that standard ^^
[01:13] <intelikey> it's all in what you compare me to i guess.
[01:13] <hassan2a> !ping
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[01:13] <kubuntero> That might be dangerous....
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[01:14] <hassan2a> !wiki ati
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[01:14] <hassan2a> !botabuse | Jucato
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[01:14] <intelikey> !botabuse | ubotu jucato beet me to it.
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[01:14] <hassan2a> ++
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[01:15] <hassan2a> what ? why ? when ? where ?
[01:16] <intelikey> hassan2a being banned from a channel is not really a status symbol ya know.
[01:16] <Jucato> he left... :)
[01:16] <nikola_> whats x86?
[01:16] <nikola_> i take it its not what i use?
[01:16] <intelikey> i saw it.
[01:16] <Jucato> 386, 486, 586, 686 architectures
[01:16] <Jucato> aslo includes k6 and k7  for AMD
[01:17] <intelikey> nikola_ short hand for 80?86 processor family
[01:17] <nikola_> aka, not a ppc processor?
[01:17] <Jucato> yep
[01:17] <Jucato> aka not ppc not 64-bit
[01:17] <nikola_> that helps :P
[01:17] <intelikey> actualy no.  k6-7 is x86 compatable  not really included in the familey tho
[01:17] <hatta> how do I stop my screen from blanking?
[01:17] <BombTron> !tofu
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tofu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <hatta> I've turned off the screensaver
[01:18] <hatta> I have a metronome app I want to be able to see as well as hear
[01:18] <intelikey> hatta probably a bios  (power management) setting.
[01:18] <hatta> but after 5 mins or so the screen just shuts off
[01:18] <hatta> well it blanks, not shuts off
[01:18] <BombTron> !gcc-3.4
[01:18] <hatta> hm
[01:18] <ubotu> gcc-3.4: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.6-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 4524 kB
[01:19] <intelikey> BombTron compiling ?
[01:19] <BombTron> is gcc-3.4 kde or gnome or neither
[01:19] <BombTron> vmware server
[01:19] <Jucato> it's for everything
[01:19] <intelikey> !b-e | BombTron
[01:19] <ubotu> BombTron: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:19] <BombTron> but could only find a tutorial for ubuntu
[01:20] <nikola_> ok, i need some help
[01:20] <intelikey> see the link                           ^
[01:20] <nikola_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy/
[01:20] <nikola_> i am there
[01:20] <nikola_> i am looking through the readme part
[01:20] <nikola_> and um
[01:20] <nikola_> ya......
[01:20] <nikola_> System/Library/Extensions/AppleAirPort2.kext/Contents/MacOS/AppleAirPort2
[01:20] <nikola_> i need to extract that?
[01:20] <nikola_> or something?
[01:20] <malik_> hi there my lyrics script is causing the freeze n then sometimes crash of amarok.........also 1.4.4 is alot slower than 1.4.3 on edgy kubuntu kde 3.5.5..............any i deas.......error report is as http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/885/
[01:21] <mfproroc> nikola_: are you on ppc or x86
[01:22] <nikola_> ppc
[01:22] <coreymon77> guys
[01:22] <BombTron> !xinetd
[01:22] <ubotu> xinetd: replacement for inetd with many enhancements. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.3.14-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 356 kB
[01:22] <coreymon77> some guy told me to type sudo rm -rf / into a konsole window, and now it says its deleting stuff that looks important
[01:22] <mfproroc> nikola_: i have had issues with the latest apple drivers - hold on a sec - im looking for the link to use
[01:23] <intelikey> coreymon77 did you actually do that ?
[01:23] <coreymon77> yup
[01:23] <sonicGB> coreymon77: make it stop, now. hit ctrl-c
[01:23] <coreymon77> its not working
[01:23] <intelikey> coreymon77 heh  ok.   well the guy intened that to remove everything on the whole computer
[01:23] <coreymon77> ctrl+c isnt working
[01:24] <fdoving> coreymon77: pull the plug.
[01:24] <adaptr> looks like he succeeded - re-install time :)
[01:24] <adaptr> too late, mates
[01:24] <coreymon77> what
[01:24] <coreymon77> thats what it does
[01:24] <sonicGB> power down coreymon77, then go look for your install disks
[01:24] <coreymon77> its a laptop
[01:24] <kubuntero> coreymon77: Kill the konsole
[01:24] <intelikey> yep he'll have to reinstall everything.
[01:24] <coreymon77> pulling the plug wont do anything
[01:24] <sonicGB> coreymon77: hold the power button down for six or more seconds, it will die
[01:25] <fdoving> coreymon77: remove the battery or whatever.. make it stop, if you have anything you want to see again on it.
[01:25] <Juno> Does the 64-bit Kubuntu run just as well as the i386 will?
[01:25] <intelikey> me considers mentioning   alt+SysRQ+U
[01:25] <coreymon77> you guys are so gullible
[01:25] <nikola_> how do i use fwcutter to extract firmware parts? aka, this: System/Library/Extensions/AppleAirPort2.kext/Contents/MacOS/AppleAirPort2
[01:25] <kubuntero> coreymon77: And put that guy on /ignore
[01:25] <dwidmann> 64-bit kubuntu runs fine
[01:25] <adaptr> coreymon77: I think you meant "serious" there
[01:25] <nikola_> and then how do i know which one to extract?
[01:25] <coreymon77> ive been in this channel for close to a year
[01:26] <coreymon77> and been using linux for close to 6
[01:26] <coreymon77> o know what the command does
[01:26] <kubuntero> nikola_: That's from you Mac hard drive?
[01:26] <fdoving> coreymon77: so why do you ask?
[01:26] <sonicGB> no coreymon77, it was pretty obvious right from the outset that you were trolling. "rm -rf" doesn't report as it removes stuff
[01:26] <coreymon77> i was joking around
[01:26] <Commander-Crowe> whats a good tut on installing XGL/compiz/beryl?
[01:26] <adaptr> coreymon77: and this was you most useful contribution to date , I take it ?
[01:26] <adaptr> !beryl
[01:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:26] <coreymon77> nope
[01:26] <sonicGB> coreymon77: but if I could get you to power your machine down, then I could let the others know that you were a troll without you seeing it.
[01:26] <kubuntero> sonicGB: sudo doesn't
[01:26] <fdoving> coreymon77: we don't joke around. joking around is what #kubuntu-offtopic is for.
[01:26] <adaptr> Commander-Crowe: ^^ that one
[01:26] <intelikey> coreymon77 you could do that command and then look at what all it doesn't actually remove.  believe it or not  sudo rm -fr /   will actually leave a lot of files on the hd
[01:26] <coreymon77> i help people with wireless problems alot
[01:27] <kubuntero> intelikey: once it hits the rm command :)
[01:27] <fdoving> coreymon77: even smart people can do stupid things. taxi driver can crash too. and so on..
[01:27] <coreymon77> so i actually do help and contribute to the channel
[01:27] <sonicGB> is the rm command an actual command? I thought it was a shell command
[01:28] <kubuntero> coreymon77: help nikola_
[01:28] <coreymon77> whats the matter?
[01:28] <intelikey> kubuntero why would that matter ?   it will be in ram...    but yeah it does remove something that stops it.   i'm not sure what.
[01:28] <mfproroc> nikola_: http://drinus.net/airport/wl_apsta.o
[01:28] <coreymon77> nikola_:
[01:28] <LjL> !find bin/rm
[01:28] <coreymon77> whats the problem
[01:28] <ubotu> File bin/rm found in coreutils
[01:28] <LjL> sonicGB: actual command
[01:28] <nikola_> airport
[01:28] <fdoving> nikola_: run the script /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[01:28] <nikola_> wifi
[01:28] <mfproroc> nikola_: that is the best file to extract the firmware from currently
[01:28] <sonicGB> LjL: cool
[01:29] <nikola_> mmk
[01:29] <gekko> hello
[01:29] <nikola_> mv: cannot move `bcm43xx_initval01.fw' to `/lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval01.fw': Permission denied
[01:30] <nikola_> should i sudo it?
[01:30] <coreymon77> sorry, airport is outside of my knowledge
[01:30] <mfproroc> nikola_: download the file then run /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh /path_to_download_wl_apsta.o
[01:30] <fdoving> nikola_: yes. sudo.
[01:31] <nikola_> well
[01:31] <hatta> so my screen is blanking even though I've turned the screensaver off
[01:31] <nikola_> i did that much
[01:31] <hatta> I see an x logo so it's not a bios powersaving issue
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: Sorry, it's not possible to extract "bcm43xx_microcode13.fw".
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: Extracting firmware from an old driver is bad. Choose a more recent one.
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: Luckily bcm43xx driver doesn't include microcode11 uploads at the moment.
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: But this can be added in the future...
[01:31] <hatta> how do I disable it?
[01:31] <nikola_> that doesnt matter right?
[01:31] <nikola_> wow, thats ugly
[01:31] <nikola_> now what?
[01:32] <intelikey> hatta linux supports power management also   did you check those settings
[01:32] <hatta> intelikey, how?
[01:32] <MidMark> hatta: I've the same identical problem
[01:32] <hatta> MidMark, have you any clues?
[01:32] <intelikey> kmeny system something i would think
[01:33] <MidMark> hatta: and I think that was a dapper kde 3.5.3 or .4 that broke some configuration
[01:33] <malik_> !CVS
[01:33] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[01:33] <MidMark> hatta: or your kde is a clean 3.5.5 Edgy?
[01:33] <hatta> I dunno, how do I check?
[01:33] <MidMark> hatta: who installed the system?
[01:33] <hatta> I installed edgy, but I added some repositories
[01:34] <MidMark> edgy in a formatte disk? Or a dapper upgrade?
[01:34] <dwidmann> a clean install = you used the disk for that version to install = you used an edgy install disk
[01:34] <hatta> clean install
[01:35] <MidMark> so I don't know why...
[01:35] <MidMark> probably a xorg.conf line that born in my file
[01:35] <MidMark> as for now I haven't screensaver, only the X
[01:35] <MidMark> that I hate
[01:36] <hatta> hmm, this might be it: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html
[01:36] <j0b> hello
[01:36] <hatta> I'm gonna try xset s 0 and see how that works
[01:37] <nikola_> i did that mcuh
[01:37] <nikola_> much*
[01:37] <nikola_> now what?
[01:38] <MidMark> hatta: let me know if it works
[01:38] <MidMark> I like to have my screensaver again
[01:39] <nikola_> i ran /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh /path_to_download_wl_apsta.o
[01:40] <nikola_> now what?
[01:40] <nikola_> ....... how do i ask these questions over until someone heres me, without being annoying? :P
[01:40] <nikola_> sry
[01:40] <MidMark> nikola_: what you have to do?
[01:40] <nikola_> im in the middle or trying to get airport to work
[01:41] <nikola_> i downloaded a thingy
[01:41] <nikola_> and i extracted a thingy
[01:41] <nikola_> firmware for the wireless card i think it was
[01:41] <nikola_> the last thing i did
[01:41] <nikola_> im not sure what i should do now
[01:41] <MidMark> now is ready to be used
[01:41] <nikola_> ?
[01:41] <nikola_> really?
[01:41] <MidMark> if you have driver and firmware then yes
[01:42] <nikola_> how would i use it?
[01:42] <MidMark> install knetworkmanager
[01:42] <nikola_> the wireless assistant still doesnt pick up any courses
[01:42] <MidMark> and try to configure it or with wassistant
[01:42] <MidMark> try to reboot eventually
[01:42] <bonbonthejon> try knetworkmanager
[01:42] <MidMark> !knetworkmanager
[01:42] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[01:43] <nikola_> im dloadin it
[01:44] <nikola_> how do i get it to install things without needing the disc?
[01:44] <MidMark> remove dvd from repo
[01:44] <MidMark> and it will download everythings from internet
[01:44] <nikola_> how do i do that?
[01:44] <MidMark> manage repo
[01:44] <nikola_> *feels like a n00b*
[01:44] <nikola_> mmk
[01:45] <denisel> hi im a windows refugee i am trying to get yahoo games to work i have loaded java but i cant get it to work help please
[01:45] <dwidmann> or better yet, make an iso of the dvd with k3b, then loopback mount the iso, and alter the fstab and sources.list to suit
[01:45] <MidMark> with adept and disable it (right click)
[01:45] <nikola_> do i have a program that will make an iso of it?
[01:45] <dwidmann> k3b
[01:45] <intelikey> wow that's odd.  there is only one line (on screen) differance in   "dd if=/dev/sda count=1 | hd" and "dd if=/dev/sda count=2 | hd"   count=2 adds "00000200  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................| *"    ?
[01:45] <intelikey> !java | denisel
[01:45] <ubotu> denisel: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:45] <intelikey> maybe that will help ^
[01:46] <denisel> ok i clicked on the link
[01:46] <nikola_> i told the app to open
[01:46] <nikola_> but all it did was add an ethernet icon in the bar
[01:46] <nikola_> nothing else
[01:47] <denisel> ok a window is up
[01:47] <hanso> i've figured out that I can gain write support on my ntfs filesystem. but what is the best solution?
[01:47] <nikola_> nope
[01:48] <nikola_> knetworkmanager doesnt find any wireless sources
[01:48] <intelikey> hanso best solution is to not use ntfs and linux togather
[01:48] <nikola_> and i know there are at least 5 pickupale form my computer
[01:48] <intelikey> hanso did you mean second/third best ?
[01:48] <hatta> MidMark, no such luck :/
[01:49] <nikola_> ..............
[01:49] <intelikey> !ntfs | hanso
[01:49] <ubotu> hanso: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:49] <nikola_> can i like, search to see if linux is working with my airport card yet?
[01:49] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g | hanso
[01:49] <ubotu> hanso: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:50] <nikola_> hi..................
[01:50] <intelikey> !fuse | hanso
[01:50] <ubotu> hanso: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[01:51] <denisel> ok i have the java window up
[01:51] <denisel> ubunto it says
[01:51] <hanso> intelikey: is it true that the vfat filessystem can not hold files bigger than 4 GB?
[01:51] <nikola_> *waits till ppl are not busy and can help me*
[01:52] <MidMark> hatta: damn, now I've seen that I had composite enabled for xgl, tried to disable, next reboot I will se
[01:52] <intelikey> hanso yeah  not without some trick riding it can't
[01:53] <intelikey> hanso what do you have bigger than 4g that you will need read/write access to ?
[01:53] <tamacracker_> Hey guys
[01:53] <intelikey> wb tamacracker_
[01:54] <tamacracker_> my username on this is supposed to be tamacracker without the _ at the end
[01:54] <tamacracker_> and i forgot how to prove that im the real tamacracker >.> if that makes any sense
[01:54] <denisel> im in the wiki tab
[01:54] <intelikey> tamacracker_ /msg nickserv help
[01:54] <tamacracker_> i already registered my username
[01:54] <tamacracker_> ok
[01:55] <nikola_> can sumone help me finish getting airport to work? :(
[01:56] <tamacracker_> I keep gettin: -NickServ- The nickname [tamacracker_]  is not registered
[01:57] <tamacracker_> i dont wanna be tamacracker_
[01:57] <tamacracker_> i want my old user name>.>
[01:57] <intelikey> no you need to /msg nickserv help recover     and help something else...  use venella help   to see the commands.
[01:58] <stdin> tamacracker_: use '/nick tamacracker' ro change back to tamacracker
[01:58] <stdin> then you can identify
[01:58] <tamacracker_> ok :D
[01:58] <intelikey> stdin assuming that it's not ocupied
[01:58] <denisel> im trying to get Java to run im not that good with computers my brother told me to say im a windows refugee
[01:58] <intelikey> occupied
[01:59] <tamacracker_> [19:58]  [Nick]  Nickname already in use, try a different one.
[01:59] <intelikey> see.   now read the help messages.
[01:59] <stdin> ok, tamacracker_ use '/msg NickServ RECOVER tamacracker <password>'  first
[02:00] <james> hi
[02:00] <denisel> hi
[02:01] <james> whats up
[02:01] <bobleny> I have a security question. I had to mount my linux hard drive from the live cd to fix a couple things. While I was there, I noticed I had accsess to my user folder. Why is this? What if I don't want anyone to be able to access that folder without a password under ANY circumstances? Is this a bad idea?
[02:01] <zeekstarr> My Memory-[617/1945M [||||||||||] -[modified] 
[02:01] <tamacracker_> [20:01]  [Notice]  -NickServ- The nickname [Tamacracker]  is not being enforced ?
[02:01] <zeekstarr> wrong window
[02:01] <zeekstarr> sorry
[02:01] <tamacracker_> what is that supposed to mean?
[02:02] <tamacracker_> do I need to relog on?
[02:02] <denisel> im in a page that says ubuntu im trying to get Java to work help
[02:02] <intelikey> bobleny ubuntu defaults to world readable $HOME    you can chmod it to 700 if you like
[02:02] <denisel> i tried reboting
[02:02] <nikola_> Hi
[02:03] <nikola_> i got kwifimanager
[02:03] <nikola_> and it tells me some things
[02:03] <stdin> tamacracker_:try '/nick tamacracker' now
[02:03] <nikola_> though, i dont know if its useful at al
[02:03] <nikola_> l
[02:03] <nikola_> its going to take forever to get wifi to work -_-
[02:03] <Tamacracker> jesus christ
[02:03] <bubu1uk> where?
[02:03] <bobleny> intelikey, could you please explain what you mean?
[02:03] <bubu1uk> :p
[02:04] <excitatory> so kaffeine is suddenly not launching..  not from katapult, not from the run dialog, and when i run it from the terminal it immediately returns to the prompt.. no message, no error.
[02:04] <Tamacracker> finally
[02:04] <Tamacracker> woohoo
[02:04] <bubu1uk> excitatory: check if there is no kaffeine process running.
[02:04] <Tamacracker> now how do i make sure the nickserv remembers it's me permanently?
[02:04] <bubu1uk> excitatory: had same problem. had to kill kaffeine. then worked
[02:05] <excitatory> bubu1uk: yea.. fixed it, thanks
[02:05] <intelikey> bobleny when you start playing with chmod let me caution you  dirs have to be executable to access them and readable to "see" what is in them     so an octal of 700 is user only access.      i.e. sudo chmod 700 /home/<username>
[02:05] <bubu1uk> excitatory: ur welcome
[02:05] <stdin> Tamacracker: it won't, it's a security feature, you either have to identify every time, or set your client to do it for you automatically
[02:06] <Tamacracker> how do set it to auto?
[02:06] <bobleny> intelikey, but what exactly is "chmod" stuff...
[02:06] <stdin> Tamacracker: what client are you using ?
[02:06] <dwidmann> chmod = change permissions
[02:06] <stdin> bobleny: chmod = change mode (permissions)
[02:06] <Tamacracker> Konversation >.>
[02:07] <Jucato> Tamacracker: in Konversation, press F2 -> Edit -> Identity -> Edit -> Service: NickServ, Password <password>
[02:07] <Tamacracker> nice
[02:07] <kubuntero> nikola_: How are you now?
[02:08] <kubuntero> !microsoft
[02:08] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:08] <coreymon77> lol!
[02:08] <Tamacracker> Service should be called NickServ?
[02:08] <dwidmann> cracks me up every time :D
[02:09] <stdin> Tamacracker: yes
[02:09] <Tamacracker> LOL Ubotu.
[02:09] <Tamacracker> thanks :P
[02:09] <Eruantalon> bobleny: When accessing the drives from a livecd all the chmod doesn't matter at all. If you want it to be securer you have to encrypt yuor data. Trucrypt can be used for that
[02:10] <intelikey> bobleny permissions are "read write execute" in binarry 1*4 + 1*2 + 1*1 = 7  and listed as  owner group others   so 700 would be you can read write and execute  people in your group can do nothing there and others can do nothing there.   i normally set home to  710  which allows people in my group to access the dir but not snoop around in it.  i.e. they cant see what is there.    this is useful if you have a subdir that yo
[02:10] <Tamacracker> I have one more question :P
[02:10] <intelikey> but also if you do that and don't want them anywhere else you should make all other subdirs 700
[02:10] <Eruantalon> But bear in mind that if you loose your passphrase your data will be lost!
[02:10] <denisel> ok i just when from windows 98 to linix i can get yahoo games working can somone help i dont know anything about cumputers
[02:11] <Tamacracker> What USB Wireless Thumb Drive is best supported by Ubuntu's Operating System?
[02:11] <bg__> are there drivers for usb bluetooth sticks because the Bluetooth OBEX program doesn't detect mine, but when I plug it in and out it gives a msg on desktop it has found it
[02:11] <dwidmann> denisel: doesn't yahoo games use java?
[02:11] <Eruantalon> bg__: What stick do you have?
[02:11] <intelikey> Eruantalon excuse me ?   chmod is chmod on ext#fs
[02:11] <denisel> yes i cant get the java to wrk
[02:11] <stdin> denisel: you probably need flash and/or java
[02:11] <denisel> work
[02:12] <denisel> how do i get flash
[02:12] <bg__> Eruantalon: orgear. I bought it today. I can return and get another but they all ways windows and macos only
[02:12] <Eruantalon> intelikey: Didnt he say that that the problem was that he was able to boot a livecd and access his files without any limitatiuons
[02:12] <stdin> !flash | denisel
[02:12] <ubotu> denisel: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:12] <dwidmann> Well, if it won't work for you in Konqueror, give Opera or firefox a try.
[02:12] <dwidmann> I'm almost certain that yahoo games uses java, so focus on it for now I'd say.
[02:12] <Tamacracker> What's the most compatible wireless usb stick?
[02:13] <intelikey> Eruantalon no and yes  he mentioned that his home was world readable and didn't like that.   that is ubuntu default.  home dir is world readable
[02:13] <Tamacracker> for Ubuntu?
[02:13] <Eruantalon> ok
[02:13] <Tamacracker> im about to go purchase one.. but i dont want problems installing it.
[02:13] <dwidmann> denisel: I think you can get Flash 9 beta from the ubuntu backports repository, or you can download it yourself from http://labs.adobe.com
[02:13] <coreymon77> !equivalents
[02:13] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[02:14] <dwidmann> denisel, also, which java are you using, the one that came preinstalled with kubuntu, or sun java?
[02:14] <denisel> i clicked on all the links i will tak alook
[02:14] <Eruantalon> "What if I don't want anyone to be able to access that folder without a password under ANY circumstances?" <<-- this is what i responded to
[02:14] <denisel> the one that came with it and i installed a java
[02:14] <paul_> hi.......totally new to linux..........ive just loaded this kubuntu and i trying to make a new folder in the VAR ...wont let me..........how do i change permissions???many thanks.........very newbie
[02:14] <stdin> denisel: the RestrictedFormats link will tell you to get both flash and sun java
[02:14] <intelikey> Eruantalon yes.  and i was giving a crash course in permissions.
[02:15] <dwidmann> The only way to securely handle nobody getting in without a password under any circumstances probably involves encryption.
[02:15] <intelikey> but enough of that.
[02:15] <Eruantalon> intelikey: ok'
[02:15] <stdin> paul_: you need to use sudo before and command that needs root access
[02:15] <stdin> !sdo | paul_
[02:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <stdin> !sudo | paul_
[02:15] <ubotu> paul_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:15] <dwidmann> anything can be bypassed except encryption ... that is.
[02:16] <paul_> many thanks ill have a play
[02:16] <paul_> thanks again for your help
[02:16] <stdin> :)
[02:17] <intelikey> dwidmann encryption is not perfect either.   specally if it only scrambles the "file allocation table"  :)
[02:17] <dwidmann> Yes, but it's quite a bit harder to bypass than a user password.
[02:17] <denisel> ok is it called flash player
[02:17] <dwidmann> or a bios password, you know, that sort of stuff.
[02:17] <intelikey> :)
[02:17] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:18] <kubuntero> I am Invincible!!
[02:19] <bonbonthejon> kubuntero: good movie
[02:20] <bobleny> Well, what is the defference between my user folder and the desktop folder thats in side of it? I noticed that the desktop folder was unaccessable....
[02:20] <XoteR> Hi, I am using kubuntu for the first time
[02:20] <kubuntero> paul_: Why do you want a folder in var?
[02:20] <dwidmann> the desktop folder is where files that appear on your desktop are stored.
[02:20] <bonbonthejon> hi XoteR
[02:20] <XoteR> and I wonder how I should to to install it
[02:20] <bobleny> right
[02:20] <Tamacracker> can anyone recommend me a Wireless usb stick from a retail store?
[02:20] <dwidmann> XoteR: with the cd, of course :)
[02:20] <Tamacracker> like belkin
[02:21] <XoteR> yeah
[02:21] <intelikey> bobleny    ls -ld ~ ~/Desktop
[02:21] <Tamacracker> or linksys
[02:21] <XoteR> but when I go to install at the deskop it wont take space at any partition
[02:21] <Eruantalon> wireless? Do you mean bluetooth?
[02:21] <Eruantalon> XoteR: Are you going to dual boot?
[02:22] <intelikey> or actually if you are in the livecd you'll have to substitute the actual path in place of ~
[02:22] <bobleny> But why is the desktop folder password protected and the user folder isnt? Is this what intelikey was talking about with the chdom?
[02:22] <Tamacracker> not specifically blue tooth
[02:22] <dwidmann> XoteR: the easiest way is to wipe the whole disk, else, you'll probably have to resize one of the other partitions.
[02:22] <Tamacracker> i need it for a wireless network
[02:22] <Tamacracker> so instead of gettin a wireless card
[02:22] <XoteR> Eruantalon: dual boot? :P
[02:22] <kubuntero> bobleny: Who owns the Desktop folder?
[02:22] <intelikey> bobleny exactly
[02:22] <Tamacracker> i'll just use a usb stick.
[02:22] <XoteR> use 2 OS yes if that is what you meant
[02:23] <XoteR> dwidmann: I have alot of things I need. How do I re-size?
[02:23] <Eruantalon> heh
[02:23] <bobleny> So, if I use the chmod, then even with the live cd I cant open the user folder with out a password?
[02:23] <intelikey> no not true.  cause the liveCD doesn't use a password.
[02:23] <intelikey> if it did it would be true.
[02:23] <denisel> ok i downloaded flash player will my yahoo games work now
[02:23] <bg__> Eruantalon:  it was iogear for the brand. bt yes. would you say the drivers from bluz will work, or
[02:24] <dwidmann> I'd have to try it or take a look or something, I've never actually re-sized a partition to do an install before, XoteR
[02:24] <Eruantalon> XoteR: That is a good question. When asked during the installation what to do with the harddrive you have to select manual parttioing
[02:24] <bobleny> Well, when I tried to go to the desktop folder from the live cd, I got a permission error.
[02:24] <XoteR> I cant install it on the same partition where I have my XP hardrive?
[02:25] <intelikey> bobleny what you are saying "with or without a password"  actually translates to "with or without root access"   and on the live CD all it takes to be root is type sudo -i
[02:25] <stdin> bobleny: sort of, however if you were on a live cd, and created a user with the same UID as the user who owns the directory, then you can use the live CD user to access it
[02:25] <Eruantalon> XoteR: I would guess no
[02:25] <XoteR> ok
[02:25] <Eruantalon> not easily anyways
[02:25] <dwidmann> Speaking of things, does anyone around know how to set up an LVM involving two disks without using the Ubuntu/Debian Alternate install disk. I've never done it before, and I'm thinking about doing so now.
[02:25] <Eruantalon> There are ways to do everything :-)
[02:25] <intelikey> !sudo | bobleny
[02:25] <ubotu> bobleny: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:25] <denisel> it says this game cannot be played using your curent settings
[02:26] <bobleny> Right, I know what sudo is... sudo su!
[02:26] <XoteR> when I use the manual option it says Filecheck error when I am trying to make a new partrtion
[02:26] <jarn> Is there a way to use the cp command to JUST copy the contents of a directory, not the directory itself? Like, say I want to move all the contents of a directory out of it and into it's parent directory.
[02:26] <Eruantalon> hmm XoteR, problem is that i don't know your setup.
[02:26] <dwidmann> cp directory/* newlocation
[02:27] <stdin> jarn: ^^
[02:27] <XoteR> ok
[02:27] <bobleny> So, your saying that if I was sudo on the live cd, I could have gone into my desktop folder?
[02:27] <jarn> dwidmann and stdin: Thanks much! I should have thought of that. *smacks forehead*
[02:27] <stdin> bobleny: yep
[02:28] <intelikey> bobleny root disreguards all permissions execpt one case. binarry files have to have some +exec bit set.  it doesn't matter who's but some ones   befor root can execute a file  but aside from that root could not care less what the permissions are.
[02:28] <intelikey> and yes that's what i'm saying.
[02:28] <bobleny> ok
[02:28] <dwidmann> Which reminds me of the one thing that I hate, when cp or mv fail because I tried to copy/move too many files at once :\
[02:29] <farkr> what the heck, i used fuse to copy files over to my ntfs partition and it said 'permission denied' for every file so i rebootin windows thinking it didnt work and yet the files are there and work lol
[02:29] <farkr> least it worked
[02:29] <Eruantalon> XoteR: You could have a look at help.ubuntu.com/community . Theres should be lots of documentation about installing
[02:30] <XoteR> thanks
[02:30] <bobleny> If I used truecrypt, would Mr. Sudo be able to access the file?
[02:30] <intelikey> i have a box with / set to 000   users can't cd /* but root cares not at all.   (side note on that box /*/ is set 001 also.   but it takes some getting used to)
[02:30] <farkr> ah i see, some files didnt make it. does that mean i have to change the file perms on files before i use fuse to copy them to ntfs?
[02:30] <intelikey> bobleny not easily.
[02:30] <farkr> i used sudo so i dont see why i wouldnt have perms
[02:31] <bobleny> Not easily, huh....
[02:31] <intelikey> but remember you can by accident lock your data so that you can never access it without hacking the password.
[02:31] <intelikey> bobleny any password can be cracked.  it might take a few years....
[02:31] <bg__> is there a software updater lik ein the gnome ubuntu version?
[02:31] <bobleny> Right....
[02:32] <kubuntero> bg__: adept_updater
[02:32] <stdin> farkr: default ntfs driver on linux mounts ntfs as read only, there is a read-write driver too, but it can be dangerous , or so I've hared
[02:32] <intelikey> bg__ yeah  i think there is.
[02:32] <Eruantalon> bobleny: securitynow.com
[02:32] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | farkr
[02:32] <ubotu> farkr: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:32] <farkr> stdin i know thats what i used, fuse
[02:32] <farkr> i unmounted the readonly default and remounted with fuse so i could write
[02:32] <intelikey> bg__ ask in #ubuntu
[02:33] <Eruantalon> sorry http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
[02:33] <farkr> i tried to cp -R a dir to ntfs and it copied half the files but the other half it said 'permission denied'
[02:33] <stdin> farkr: ahh, didn't know you were using the fuse version :)
[02:33] <farkr> and im not sure why
[02:33] <farkr> because i used sudo cp -R
[02:34] <bobleny> Grrr....
[02:34] <bobleny> None of my package maneger stuff works.
[02:34] <bobleny> I tried to open adept thingy and I get an error
[02:34] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Specificaly http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#41 it is all about trucrypt
[02:35] <Eruantalon> what error?
[02:35] <XoteR> What happenes if I download things now?
[02:35] <stdin> bobleny: what's the error?
[02:35] <bobleny> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[02:35] <Eruantalon> XoteR: in the livecd?
[02:35] <XoteR> without have kubunyu installed
[02:35] <XoteR> yeah
[02:35] <Eruantalon> It will be gone when you reboot
[02:35] <Eruantalon> unless you save it somewhere permanent
[02:36] <intelikey> XoteR unless you save it to the hd
[02:36] <intelikey> yeah that ^
[02:36] <XoteR> ok
[02:36] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Well something probably is
[02:36] <bobleny> It has been doing that for a while too even after a reboot
[02:36] <Eruantalon> hmm try to find what is hoarding it and kill it
[02:37] <Eruantalon> ps aux | grep adept
[02:37] <stdin> bobleny: in konsole try: sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:37] <Jucato> !adeptcrashfix | bobleny
[02:37] <ubotu> bobleny: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:37] <stdin> bobleny: then try opening adept (or whatever you use) again
[02:37] <denisel> ok im on the jave site it says i  have the fallowing java free software and 1.4.2
[02:37] <XoteR> can I acces my windows harddrive trought kubuntu?
[02:37] <XoteR> Sry for being annoying
[02:38] <stdin> XoteR: yes, you can
[02:38] <stdin> !ntfs
[02:38] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:39] <farkr> if all you're doing is viewing then the default ntfs mount should be fine
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[02:39] <desync> XoteR: i've been using fuse for write access and it's been working fine for me
[02:39] <sc> exit
[02:39] <sonichedg> !fuse
[02:39] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:40] <farkr> desync do you have any idea what to do about my fuse problem?
[02:40] <Eruantalon> what is best fuse og ntfs-3g?
[02:40] <stdin> XoteR: this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[02:40] <sonichedg> farkr: i've just joined. Do you mind repeating the problem?
[02:40] <denisel> im am getting so cunfused
[02:40] <desync> let me scroll back a bit
[02:40] <farkr> ntfs-3g is still in beta
[02:40] <farkr> sonichedg sure:
[02:40] <farkr> im using 'fuse' to write to my ntfs parition from my ext3 partition and i tried 'sudo cp -R source-dir/ /media/hda1/dest-dir/' and it copied half the files fine but the other half that didnt copy said 'permission denied.' Any idea why?
[02:41] <sonichedg> ohhh.... I hate that!
[02:41] <sonichedg> what user was doing the copying?
[02:41] <farkr> just me as a normal user doing a sudo
[02:41] <farkr> on my own home files
[02:41] <Eruantalon> denisel: What is the problem?
[02:41] <sonichedg> ok, if you were doing it via sudo, then it was effectively root doing the work...
[02:42] <farkr> yeah that's what i dont get
[02:42] <desync> farkr: what is your entry in /etc/fstab for the partition?
[02:42] <sonichedg> farkr: did you mount the ntfs partition with any specific ownership / umask ?
[02:42] <denisel> i can play euchre on yahoo i have downloaded java
[02:42] <bobleny> k, that worked
[02:42] <farkr> dunno im in windows still
[02:42] <denisel> im a windows refugee
[02:42] <farkr> i didnt change my fstab for fuse though. its still the default
[02:42] <farkr> you think thats the reason?
[02:42] <farkr> sonichedg yes
[02:42] <sonichedg> welcome denisel, we like windows refugees :-)
[02:42] <farkr> i used umask=0007
[02:42] <denisel> cant
[02:43] <desync> "/dev/hdb5       /media/win-e    ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,umask=000 0 0"
[02:43] <farkr> dunno what that means though :/
[02:43] <farkr> thats what the howto said to use though
[02:43] <Eruantalon> denisel: don't you mean that you can't play the game?
[02:43] <stdin> farkr: there is a driver for windows to let it read/write to ext2 (and ext3 as ext2)
[02:43] <desync> that let's me read/write as a normal user, no sudo needed
[02:43] <denisel> i cant get java to work
[02:43] <farkr> stdin i know but i cant use it, i corrupted it by writing to my ext3 partition from it :)
[02:43] <kubuntero> !java | denisel
[02:43] <ubotu> denisel: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:43] <denisel> yes i cant play my wuchre game
[02:43] <kubuntero> denisel: Did you do a update alternatives?
[02:43] <stdin> farkr: just spurting out ideas here :p
[02:44] <denisel> i dont know what that means
[02:44] <intelikey> update-alternatives
[02:44] <farkr> should i change the umask i mounted with to something other than 0007?
[02:44] <sonichedg> farkr: the umask=0007 might be the source of your grief... just reading, gimme a second
[02:44] <stdin> denisel: have you ran the update-alternatives command too?
[02:44] <desync> farkr: also make sure the you have the fuse module loading, or you'll have to run sudo modprobe fuse
[02:44] <farkr> k thanks
[02:44] <bobleny> Ok, next question! lol :D.... Every time I turn kubuntu on, I get a box on boot up that says it cant play video, change display setttings to 1024 x 786 at 60hz. I just wondering what it is?
[02:44] <farkr> desync i do i ran sudo modprobe fuse and everything first
[02:45] <intelikey> farkr what's the uid= ?
[02:45] <kubuntero> bobleny: Might be yout monitor
[02:45] <denisel> brb
[02:45] <farkr> intelikey dunno
[02:45] <desync> farkr: change your fstab so the umask is all 0's
[02:45] <constantine-xvi> can amarok handle MTP/PlaysForSure players?
[02:45] <stdin> farkr: you can make sure fuse loads at boot by adding a line saying "fuse" to /etc/modules
[02:45] <Eruantalon> denisel: After installing java have you restartet your browser?
[02:45] <sonichedg> farkr: what desync said. change umask to zeroes, unmount, remount.
[02:45] <farkr> ok thanks, ill go try it now :)
[02:45] <farkr> ill be back from linux
[02:45] <BluesKaj> java 1.6 rocks! just installed it  from a repos site :http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/07/installing-jdk-6-rc-mustang-in-ubuntu-edgy/
[02:46] <Rob-West> nixternal:
[02:46] <Eruantalon> constantine-xvi: Yes. But I don't know how well
[02:46] <nixternal> yo yo Rob-West
[02:46] <denisel> yes i did restart
[02:46] <bobleny> kubuntero, I know it is my monitor, I just wonder what the video is....
[02:46] <Rob-West> sup man
[02:46] <constantine-xvi> Eruantalon: do you know how to do it?
[02:46] <nixternal> same ol' same ol'
[02:46] <kubuntero> XoteR: No problem that's what we are here for ":-)
[02:46] <kubuntero> nixternal: What's up yo?
[02:47] <nixternal> hey homey :)
[02:47] <Eruantalon> constantine-xvi: errhh. Sortof.
[02:47] <stdin> denisel: did you run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to choose the right file, after you installed java?
[02:47] <kubuntero> nixternal: Umm me?
[02:47] <intelikey>  i like these options in fstab for M$ fs's     "fmask=111,dmask=000,umask=000,user,users "
[02:47] <nixternal> ya kubuntero
[02:47] <intelikey> it's almost as insecure as windows tho
[02:48] <sonichedg> intelikey: : looks reasonable, yeah, about as secure as windows! :-)
[02:48] <stdin> denisel: you'll want it set to '/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java' (or similar)
[02:48] <KaiHanari> dhofoiahiowernastyassfreaksodijfoiwheporowhseohfsdoihcxoiheiowh
[02:48] <kubuntero> nixternal: Howd ya know?
[02:49] <nixternal> kubuntero: i don't know anything :)
[02:49] <kubuntero> nixternal: Oh wait I read homey as horney ^_^
[02:49] <kubuntero> never mind
[02:49] <sonichedg> LOL
[02:49] <stdin> BluesKaj: I have sun-java6-* in the ubuntu repos (feisty) :)
[02:49] <denisel> brb sorry putting my daughter to bed
[02:49] <desync> *sigh* ivtv is a pain
[02:49] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[02:50] <sonichedg> you get tv intravenously now? cool!
[02:50] <desync> lol
[02:50] <intelikey> stdin i have 0 java installed  :)
[02:50] <BluesKaj> mustang ! seems to work well on the bleeding edge sites
[02:50] <bobleny> What Is denisel's problem?
[02:50] <kubuntero> sonichedg: samsung has  a cell phone with a TV tuner that's the closest I've seen
[02:50] <kubuntero> BluesKaj: How are you old man?
[02:50] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Java
[02:51] <bobleny> Right, what is wrong with it?
[02:51] <stdin> intelikey: I'd rather not have to have it, but I need it for a couple of things
[02:51] <kubuntero> bobleny: jAVA AND A NON SLEEPING DAUGHTER RIGHT now
[02:51] <sonichedg> kubuntero: I've heard of those, wasn't sure whether to believe they existed!
[02:51] <kubuntero> Blast.
[02:51] <bobleny> lol
[02:51] <kubuntero> I hate this new keyboard
[02:51] <desync> i've seen the tv phones, decent for what they are, but the screens are too small
[02:51] <bobleny> I just want to know bc I think I'm having a problem with java too...
[02:51] <sonichedg> I use apple mac keyboards on everything... they're fine. Need a good wash twice a year though
[02:52] <farkr> back, gotta love how fast kubuntu boots
[02:52] <bobleny> I just wonder if his problem is same as mine.
[02:52] <Eruantalon> By the way isn't java gpl now? Shouldn't it be in the main repos by the next release of ubuntu?
[02:52] <sonichedg> wb farkr
[02:52] <intelikey> !info bc | bobleny
[02:52] <ubotu> bc: The GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 64 kB, installed size 188 kB
[02:52] <BluesKaj> hey Jucato kubuntero, doing well thx :)
[02:52] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Not if Ubuntu follows Debian
[02:52] <BluesKaj> or is it Daskreech ...  gotta be Daskreech
[02:52] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: What are those crackpots up to now?
[02:52] <farkr> thanks, checkin fstab. hmm which colum is for umask? it doesnt say the word umask, but i see some numbers
[02:52] <Eruantalon> :-)
 I just want to know bc ... ^   :)
[02:54] <bobleny> Well, I don't know his prblem, but everytime I run the updates for sun-java5-bin it hangs....
[02:54] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Massive war over java. Threaten to split Debian into two distros Again...
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> doesen't debian have enough splits already?
[02:55] <farkr> ok my fstab for hda1 says: UUID=99393bla  /media/hda1  ntfs  defaults nls   007  46 0 1
[02:55] <farkr> what should it say so i can write to ntfs from sudo using fuse?
[02:55] <Eruantalon> Well java will be completely gpl by march according to wikipedia
[02:56] <bobleny> what is gpl?
[02:56] <Eruantalon> General Public License
[02:56] <farkr> general public license
[02:56] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: They don't care
[02:56] <kubuntero> !gpl
[02:56] <ubotu> gpl is the GNU General Public License. See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[02:56] <intelikey> farkr where it says "defaults "     "defaults,fmask=111,dmask=000,umask=000,user,users "
[02:56] <kubuntero> They don't want hide nor hair of Sun shipping
[02:56] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: What seems to be the problem?
[02:56] <farkr> intelikey: in quotes like that or just together?
[02:56] <intelikey> no not quotes.
[02:57] <kubuntero> I haven't sorted through the lists yet but they seem to just not want java in there
[02:57] <Eruantalon> Because they think it is crap software? Or because of licensing?
[02:57] <intelikey> drop the "nls   007  46"     if it gives any trubble.
[02:57] <constantine-xvi> odds are they would see it as weakness to submit to Sun over the FSF/Apache Java
[02:57] <farkr> k, dang gpm doesnt wann copy text for some reason, writing it down
[02:57] <kubuntero> I don't think they trust the license
[02:58] <kubuntero> Or Sun
[02:58] <farkr> half the time gpm decides it doesnt wanna copy text
[02:58] <Eruantalon> how can they not trust the gpl?
[02:58] <intelikey> farkr you can hold the left shift key and try it.
[02:58] <farkr> or at least paste it, i have no idea if it copied or not
[02:58] <constantine-xvi> i dont think debian trusts anyone but the FSF
[02:58] <kubuntero> Its like if Microsoft suddenly GPLed IIS and started looking to ship it in Distros
[02:58] <farkr> i tried shift
[02:58] <sonichedg> OSS is its own worst enemy sometimes... how will any outsider trust us when we can't control our own infighting?! :-)
[02:58] <kubuntero> People would kill it even though by law it's above board
[02:58] <intelikey> hmmmm  i've never had gpm errors....
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> my solution to the problem: i dont care if i use OSS or commercial software, as long as it doesn't suck
[02:59] <kubuntero> sonichedg: I don't think infighting is a bad thing
[02:59] <bobleny> Yeah, see, it just sits there and says "Preparing upgrade of sun-java5-bin..." it only at 1% I know it can be that big! It's been sitting there for at least 10 minutes...
[02:59] <kubuntero> Senseless infighting is dumb though
[02:59] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: Well for one thing Jonathan Schwarz is calling the shots in sun for the time being. That is a step in the right direction. And what has once been gpl'ed can't be taken back.... right?
[02:59] <sonichedg> kubuntero: it's not bad, until it's externally visible
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> kubuntu has a large portion of oss "non-suck"
[02:59] <kubuntero> sonichedg: Guess which one the news likes to pick up on :)
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> Eruantalon: right
[02:59] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Yeah ... i know
[03:00] <intelikey> ok i'm went.
[03:00] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Too badd it hasn't been GPLed
[03:00] <intelikey> i'm left.
[03:00] <farkr> intelikey:  oh actually my fstab was sayin other stuff but i tcouldnt see it because of my vimrc file being wrong i guess, but when i cat'd it i noticed it sayin more stuff like nls=utf, etc
[03:01] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: what? Most of it is gpl. Only classlibrary remains. And the remaining parts will be openspurce by march
[03:01] <farkr> whats another default command line editor that comes with kubuntu? (i dont have X installed right now)
[03:01] <stdin> bobleny: are you installing in adept?
[03:01] <Eruantalon> vi?
[03:01] <bobleny> Yes
[03:01] <farkr> vi is linked to vim for me
[03:01] <bobleny> Adept Updater
[03:01] <constantine-xvi> farkr: vim, nano, ed
[03:02] <stdin> bobleny: is there a "show more" button, or something to that effect?
[03:02] <farkr> thanks nano works, looks like pico
[03:02] <constantine-xvi> farkr: nano is most friendly
[03:02] <constantine-xvi> but im a vim'er
[03:02] <NotWired> ever since i've updated to edgy, my kdm and screensaver seems flaky... is this a known issue?
[03:02] <bobleny> yeah
[03:02] <hatta> vim is more friendly, it's just pickier about its friends
[03:02] <bobleny> It just shows a pictuer
[03:02] <farkr> NotWired:  same for me
[03:02] <farkr> edgy is shaky though, hence its name ;0
[03:02] <kubuntero> !emacs
[03:02] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[03:02] <stdin> bobleny: what picture ?
[03:02] <farkr> emacs is overkill for just editing some config files hehe
[03:03] <constantine-xvi> vim takes ~1yr to really learn, but you will not want to go back
[03:03] <NotWired> farkr: so you haven't got a fix? I would prefer not starting from scratch :-)
[03:03] <kubuntero> emacs is an operating system masquradeing as a text editor
[03:03] <denisel> im here im making myself somthing to eat i read the thing and im downloading a deb
[03:03] <farkr> NotWired: not i, im reinstallin somethin else, i cant seem to get kde to work in edgy, without reinstallin it anyway and i dont wanna do that so im going back to dapper until kde4 comes out this year
[03:03] <constantine-xvi> emacs is a great platform for developing apps, but putting a text editor in there would be nice
[03:04] <kubuntero> denisel: Daughter is genrating zzs?
[03:04] <farkr> kde4 will be sweet
[03:04] <denisel> lol
[03:04] <kubuntero> farkr:
[03:04] <constantine-xvi> i second farkr
[03:04] <kubuntero> Stop it!
[03:04] <Eruantalon> farkr: Can you just downgrade like that?
[03:04] <farkr> /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:04] <kubuntero> I spent all day resisting KDE4
[03:04] <NotWired> farkr: well, i've got everything else working (upgrading  was a huge pain though) so i would prefer finding a fix
[03:05] <bobleny> This is what it shows... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/897/plain/
[03:05] <farkr> dont do what i do though, im clueless and only do stuff out of desparation :)
[03:05] <farkr> kubuntero: whats wrong with kde4
[03:05] <stdin> bobleny: try pressing the enter key
[03:06] <bobleny> That didnt do anything
[03:06] <constantine-xvi> farkr: it's not stable yet
[03:06] <bobleny> Its really like an image
[03:06] <kubuntero> farkr: Read the first three letters in your nick
[03:06] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Try tab
[03:07] <stdin> bobleny: try clicking it, then press tab, then enter
[03:07] <Eruantalon> and space
[03:07] <Eruantalon> and stuff
[03:07] <bobleny> Yeah, nothing happens
[03:07] <stdin> bobleny: ok, press Ctrl-C
[03:07] <bobleny> It's like an image
[03:08] <stdin> bobleny: then you can fix it in konsole
[03:08] <stdin> it's not an image, it's the sun licence, you have to agree to it
[03:08] <stdin> but adept isn't good with things like that
[03:08] <farkr> intelikey: does this look right: defaults,fmask=111,dmask=000,nls=utf8,umask=000,gid=0,user,users 0       1
[03:09] <farkr> btw, gpm is working fine now, it was only with vim that it didnt want to work and i guess it was my broken vimrc to blame
[03:09] <stdin> farkr: take out the "uid=0" part
[03:09] <farkr> k
[03:09] <farkr> but not the gid=0?
[03:09] <bobleny> Ok, how do I do the update in the terminal?
[03:09] <farkr> oh wait i only have gid=0 not uid=0 :P
[03:09] <stdin> farkr: ohh, ignore me, gid isn't that important
[03:09] <BombTron> sudo apt-get update
[03:09] <Eruantalon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[03:10] <BombTron> !update
[03:10] <farkr> once i finnish editing fstab do i have to do anything for the changes to take effect?
[03:10] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:10] <stdin> bobleny: type "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:10] <bobleny> should I cancel adept manager?
[03:10] <kubuntero> bobleny: listen to stdin
[03:10] <stdin> bobleny: yes
[03:10] <kubuntero> bobleny: See? listen to him :)
[03:11] <stdin>  ^^ guess he got embarrassed  :p
[03:11] <bobleny> I was listening to him....
[03:11] <denisel> ok im back i need help
[03:12] <kubuntero> denisel: We need people to help. IT's a great partnership!!
[03:12] <farkr> ok after making those fstab changes now fuse wont let me copy anytning at all to my ntfs partition... says 'cannot copy regular file bla.txt to /media/hda1/ Read-only file system
[03:13] <denisel> ok my brother told me to tell you im a windows refugee
[03:13] <stdin> farkr: hnn, try addind ",rw" to the end of the options
[03:13] <Eruantalon> denisel: Well most of us are, aren't we?
[03:13] <kubuntero> denisel: do you need to apply to get him out of his situation?
[03:14] <farkr> stdin didnt work, unless theres somethin i hve to do to make my changes to /etc/fstab take effect?
[03:14] <denisel> i cant play eurchre on yahoo games i have java but it will not run
[03:14] <stdin> bobleny: so you close adept, then, in konsole type "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then you should be able to use tab and enter to access the licence
[03:14] <sonichedg> farkr: : you need to umount the filesystem, then re mount it
[03:14] <farkr> ah
[03:14] <stdin> yep
[03:14] <Eruantalon> denisel: How did you install java?
[03:14] <denisel> yes
[03:15] <farkr> do i still use umask=007 when i remount it with ntfsmount?
[03:15] <denisel> and i restarted the computer and comfermed it
[03:15] <farkr> or leave out the umask part and just do: sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o"
[03:15] <Eruantalon> no i mean HOW
[03:16] <denisel> i went to the java site and downloaded the one for linix
[03:16] <Eruantalon> ok
[03:16] <CVirus> I hope this was a typo
[03:17] <stdin> denisel: is it the 1st time you installed java on that system?
[03:17] <farkr> ok i did those changes and tried to copy files to my ntfs partition and now its giving me a new error: option not supported :)
[03:17] <denisel> yes
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> farkr: have you seen the !fuse page?
[03:17] <Eruantalon> http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[03:17] <desync> farkr: do you have ntfs-3g instead of ntfs in fstab?
[03:17] <Eruantalon> try to see if it say tht you have java installed
[03:18] <farkr> i'm using 'fuse'
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[03:18] <denisel> i clicked on the link
[03:18] <farkr> i have to put fuse instead of ntfs?
[03:18] <stdin> denisel: ok, there is one more command you need to run to activate it "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and choose the one in /usr/lib/jvm/
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> farkr: i believe so, it's ntfs-mount
[03:18] <bobleny> I don't understand. did the sudo dpkg thing. but then what? Do I go back into adept updater?
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a guide, that should help
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> !fuse
[03:18] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:18] <desync> farkr: /dev/hdb5       /media/win-e    ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,umask=000 0 0
[03:18] <farkr> im using the fuse guide
[03:18] <desync> that's what i have and i can write with a normal user
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[03:18] <denisel> its taking its sweet time
[03:18] <farkr> desync:  i dont have ntfs-3g i have fuse
[03:19] <desync> so do i
[03:19] <stdin> farkr: same thing in this case
[03:19] <farkr> ok
[03:19] <desync> fuse is based on ntfs-3g afaik
[03:19] <constantine-xvi> would it be considered a bad thing to hear your laptop's HD making spin-up sounds every now and then?
[03:19] <andre> tem alguem do Brasil aqui?
[03:19] <kai_> wasup
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> !pr
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <andre> is there something from Brazil here?
[03:20] <farkr> the docs you just gave me says to use ntfs-fuse
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> no..
[03:20] <kai_> I bought a ipod nano, will linux run this?
[03:20] <farkr> kai_ definitely
[03:20] <denisel> it says free and  1.4.2 on it
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> andre: maybe in the portugues room
[03:20] <kai_> Im in amarok, it doesn't recognize this
[03:20] <stdin> desync: nope, ntfs-3g uses fuse, fuse is used for other things too, like mounting a iso as a user, of gmailfs, and even sshfs (mounting a filesystem over ssh)
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> andre: #ubuntu-br
[03:21] <farkr> kai_ try lsusb and see if its recongized
[03:21] <farkr> !gmailfs
[03:21] <ubotu> gmailfs: Use your GMail account as a filesystem. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-2 (edgy), package size 24 kB, installed size 156 kB
[03:21] <farkr> haha wsome
[03:21] <kai_> stdin:  int cmd line?
[03:21] <denisel> free software founatiion and 1.4.2
[03:21] <stdin> denisel: you should see another entry ?
[03:21] <andre> i'm trying
[03:22] <farkr> kai_ yes in the command line type: lsusb
[03:22] <kai_> Thats a cool command yes it does recognize it
[03:22] <bobleny> What about the send signal thing when I right click on the license agreement thing...
[03:22] <farkr> amarok should recognize it
[03:22] <denisel> thoses are the only too
[03:22] <kai_> Its not
[03:22] <farkr> are you sure? did you click the tabs in the side panel and stuff?
[03:22] <denisel> two i mean
[03:23] <kai_> Its telling me no mounted ipod found
[03:23] <stdin> denisel: where did you get java from?
[03:23] <farkr> i dunno, are you sure you have the mp3 codecs installed and stuff, dunno if thats required first
[03:23] <stdin> kai_: have you read the help page on mounting an ipod?
[03:23] <denisel> i down loaded it from the java site
[03:24] <kai_> where can I find that?
[03:24] <stdin> denisel: use the package from the ubuntu multiverse repository
[03:24] <farkr> type: df -h
[03:24] <stdin> !ipod | kai_
[03:24] <ubotu> kai_: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[03:24] <kai_> stdin: thanku
[03:24] <stdin> :)
[03:24] <flaccid> has anybody compiled amarok on dapper or any ubuntu???
[03:25] <farkr> compiled ? no but ive done it from synaptic
[03:25] <denisel> do i go to adept
[03:25] <stdin> denisel: yes, from there you enable the multiverse repository
[03:25] <andre> I can compiled amarok on dapper but I don't speak english ehhehe
[03:25] <denisel> ok one min
[03:25] <stdin> !multiverse | denisel
[03:25] <ubotu> denisel: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:26] <stdin> read that page
[03:26] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:26] <bobleny> My turn?
[03:27] <jeff_> hi, all.  I've got a really strange problem with my NVidia card and the nvidia-glx package.  When I first installed kubuntu, I loaded the nvidia-glx package, and noticed that every once in a while, X would hang.  I switched to the nv driver, and got rid of the intermittent hanging.
[03:27] <stdin> bobleny: what's the problem ?
[03:27] <bobleny> Same as before.
[03:27] <stdin> bobleny: remind me :)
[03:27] <bobleny> I dont know where to do the tab enter with the lisence thing
[03:27] <denisel> ok what do i type in the search window for adept
[03:28] <stdin> bobleny: in adept, or konsole ?
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: what's the issue with compiling amarok?
[03:28] <jeff_> That was fine, when I didn't want any 3D acceleration.  But now, I've tried switching back to the nvidia driver, and whenever X starts, it just hangs at a blank screen (I don't even get the NVidia splash, and it's not turned off in my config.
[03:28] <bobleny> I was in Adept Updater
[03:28] <stdin> denisel: have you now enabled multiverse ?
[03:28] <stdin> bobleny: you can't in adept, for some reason
[03:28] <denisel> no
[03:28] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: gcc bugs
[03:28] <jeff_> I've tried the Kubuntu one, and actually compiled from NVidia's site.  Any ideas why the card would hang?
[03:28] <bobleny> Ok, so I should do what exactly?
[03:29] <stdin> denisel: you need to do that first https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:29] <denisel> im in the resp thing
[03:29] <jeff_> I'm not seeing any errors in the Xor log, and not sure where else to look.
[03:29] <bobleny> I did the sudo dkpg thing you said to do
[03:29] <denisel> im on that page
[03:29] <jamaur> hey all, does anybody know how to find out the parent of a specific process?  My computer is running Apache, but I have no idea why (I have never set up any kind of server on this box...)
[03:29] <stdin> bobleny: you need to press Ctrl-C to make adept stop, then close adept, then, in konsole, type "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:30] <bobleny> Right, and after I do that?
[03:30] <stdin> bobleny: you can then just use tab and enter to accept the licence
[03:30] <stdin> denisel: do you see the part about universe and multiverse on the page ?
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i never had any issue
[03:31] <stdin> jamaur: look in adept and make sure you havent installed apache or apache2
[03:31] <farkr> after adding 'ntfs-3g' to fstab and trying to  remount it says 'unrecongized filesystem ntfs-3g'
[03:31] <farkr> does the same thing when i use ntfs-fuse
[03:31] <bobleny> nothing hapens when I type that comand though
[03:31] <farkr> and then sudo mount -a
[03:32] <stdin> farkr: try following the guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:32] <bobleny> the terminal pauses for a second the goes to new line waiting another command
[03:32] <kai_> stdin: I added the one package for the ipod, do I need to logout?
[03:32] <stdin> kai_: no, you should have to
[03:32] <farkr> stdin thats what im using :P
[03:33] <kai_> the wiki just said to get  gtkpod-aac its still not recognizing
[03:33] <farkr> its not helping at all, it's giving me advice that's making it so i cant copy my fuiles to ntfs, i just keep gettin errors like 'permission denied' or 'operation not supported'
[03:33] <farkr> fuse blows :(
[03:33] <stdin> bobleny: ok, try "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin"
[03:33] <bobleny> What that do?
[03:34] <stdin> kai_: that's the info for breezy, follow the info for dapper or edgy
[03:34] <stdin> bobleny: that will install java for firefox
[03:34] <stdin> bobleny: and konqueror
[03:34] <kai_> I have edgy 6.1 right
[03:35] <bobleny> really?
[03:35] <jeff_> Is anyone using a NVidia card, who wouldn't mind sending me their Xorg.conf?
[03:35] <farkr> whas the keyshortcut in elinks to scroll the page over to the left or right? i got some cut off text
[03:35] <bobleny> man... I did it manually before :(
[03:35] <stdin> kai_: don't know, what dose "lsb_release -r" show
[03:35] <kai_> I think I know whats goin on
[03:36] <kai_> I thought gtkpod was a plgin for amarok
[03:36] <dwidmann> jeff_ I suppose I could
[03:36] <denisel> ok im fallowing the page but i im having trubble on the fifth one
[03:36] <kai_> Its its own app
[03:36] <andre> just me use ubuntu in Brazil
[03:36] <stdin> bobleny: you'll need the multiverse repository first
[03:36] <dwidmann> !paste | dwidmann
[03:36] <ubotu> dwidmann: paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[03:36] <bobleny> Already have
[03:36] <jeff_> dwidmann: could you just /msg me or paste it.
[03:37] <stdin> bobleny: then the command will work fine
[03:37] <bobleny> it did
[03:37] <dwidmann> jeff_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/899/
[03:37] <stdin> denisel: which part ore you having trouble with?
[03:38] <andre> somebody now how to configure nvidia geforce 5200 128 Mb in kubuntu 6.10?
[03:38] <jeff_> dwidmann: thanks.  I'm getting really odd behavior from my card.
[03:38] <farkr> how come this command did nothing at all: sudo apt-get install lynx
[03:38] <farkr> zero output
[03:38] <denisel> well in repositories
[03:38] <dwidmann> that xorg.conf *should* work, assuming you have the nvidia driver installed ... I don't think I've done anything tricky since I installed the 96xx drivers.
[03:38] <stdin> farkr: nothing at all ??
[03:39] <bobleny> Thank you!
[03:39] <stdin> :)
[03:39] <farkr> nope
[03:39] <andre> I installed all packages but it isn't working
[03:39] <denisel> im in mangage reositories
[03:40] <jeff_> dwidmann: hmm, I have a section in mine that you don't have.  a DRI section.  I'm googling, but does that ring a bell with you?
[03:40] <stdin> farkr: dose 'sudo apt-get update' not show any output either?
[03:40] <farkr> dont matter im using elinks, just had to man elinkskeys to figure out the keys
[03:40] <denisel> i dont knoow what to enable
[03:40] <mirshafie> i'm looking for a way to use two aspell dictionaries simultaneously in kde applications. i want to enable both the english and swedish dictionaries at the same time, since i use both languages frequently and often mix them in posts and emails. is there any way to do that?
[03:40] <Eruantalon> andre Have you done sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:40] <farkr> stdin no that works
[03:41] <dwidmann> jeff_ the dri section is needed if you're using the vesa or nv drivers, but not with the nvidia drivers ... I'll show you my backup xorg.conf to show you what I mean
[03:41] <stdin> denisel: do you see an entry with universe in the right ?
[03:41] <farkr> and now after doing that sudo apt-get install lynx works ;/
[03:41] <farkr> weird
[03:41] <denisel> yes four of them
[03:41] <stdin> farkr: can you install anything else with apt-get and it work?
[03:41] <farkr> yeah it works now
[03:41] <stdin> denisel: should be one with "main" by it
[03:41] <farkr> dunno why i had to do that update for though. i didntg change anythin in the repositories
[03:42] <andre> I don't know
[03:42] <stdin> farkr: I don't know either, but at least it works :)
[03:42] <Eruantalon> Try
[03:42] <bobleny> How come when I search for "Apache" in Adept Installer, it finds nothing????
[03:42] <denisel> theres two of them with main restricked
[03:42] <K`zan> What do I need to install to get a working g++ compiler?
[03:43] <K`zan> Sigh, that question is gonna suck...
[03:43] <andre> where i configure that?
[03:43] <farkr> does it matter if i take the UUID= line out of /etc/fstab?
[03:43] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: build-essential
[03:43] <andre> sorry but I don't speak english very well
[03:43] <denisel> universe multiuniverse
[03:43] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Thanks, will clean up and do that, appreciate that.
[03:43] <farkr> multiverse
[03:44] <stdin> denisel: is the line with universe and multiverse grey?
[03:44] <Eruantalon> andre, No problem. Run the command sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:44] <dwidmann> jeff_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/900/
[03:44] <denisel> no its black
[03:44] <constantine-xvi> stdin: multiverse is stuff that is not pure OSS
[03:44] <andre> eruantalon wait a minute I'll try
[03:44] <stdin> denisel: ok, click apply, then close
[03:45] <stdin> constantine-xvi: yes, I know
[03:45] <denisel> ok done
[03:45] <jeff_> dwidmann: thanks.  I removed the DRI section, and some other stuff that I think was in ther by default (having to do with Wacom tablets).  Also, looking at yours reminded me to start looking at the composite extension.  If I can get acceleration stable.
[03:45] <stdin> denisel: the fjust click "Fetch Updates" in the top left
[03:45] <jeff_> dwidmann: thanks again.
[03:45] <stdin> denisel: then you exit adept, and go back to konsole
[03:45] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Choose adept package manager from the system menu
[03:46] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. ?? TIA!!!
[03:46] <dwidmann> no problem jeff_. one thing worth trying is ...
[03:46] <denisel> a bunch of dones is going down the screen
[03:46] <dwidmann> !envy | jeff_
[03:46] <ubotu> jeff_: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[03:46] <bobleny> huh?
[03:46] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: what are you building?
[03:46] <andre> eruantalon I'm trying run the game americans army here ...
[03:46] <bobleny> oh
[03:46] <jeff_> dwidmann: that helps with the ones from nvidia's site, or nvidia-glx?
[03:46] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: kate tab add on.
[03:46] <andre> eruantalon i run the command and after that?
[03:47] <Eruantalon> you have to restart x
[03:47] <denisel> the shell konsole
[03:47] <stdin> K`zan: you may need to install xorg-dev, and if it for kate, you may need kdelibs-dev too
[03:47] <andre> ok
[03:47] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: try "sudo apt-get build-dep kate"
[03:47] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30331
[03:47] <stdin> denisel: yes
[03:47] <dwidmann> jeff_: the ones from nvidias site, it'll do either the legacy(7xxx), the stable (96xx), or the beta(97xx)
[03:47] <stdin> denisel: in there you can now install java and agree to the licence
[03:47] <kai_> stdin: I have to gtkpod, is there more stuff I need to than what its tellin me
[03:47] <bobleny> Grr... adept wont open from the system menue....
[03:48] <denisel> ok
[03:48] <denisel> do i just go to the java site
[03:48] <dwidmann> bobleny: sometimes it will take a couple tries
[03:48] <bobleny> I dont even get an error. It says it is loading then it disapears
[03:48] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Great except for: The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:48] <K`zan>   nvidia-glx
[03:48] <bobleny> Why?
[03:48] <Eruantalon> stdin: Is there a good way to now what dev-packages you need to have installed to compile stuff. I remember trying to get kdevelp to work was a pain of enormous dimensions!
[03:48] <bobleny> It should only take one
[03:48] <jeff_> dwidmann: ah, I was just reading the site (should have done that before asking) -- I've got the driver compiled and everything -- just getting hangs.  I'll try my modified xorg.conf file, and I've got the url to your pastebin saved, so I should be able to muddle through it.  Thanks again
[03:48] <stdin> kai_: no, those apps are just used to read the ipod database (to locate the songs), the ipod then jusr mounts as a normas usb drive
[03:48] <farkr> how come after i did an 'addgroup ntfs' it doesnt show up in /etc/password?
[03:48] <dwidmann> bobleny: some sort of problem with kdesu, I think.
[03:48] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: the only answer I can give you is WTF?
[03:49] <denisel> the shell thing is up
[03:49] <denisel> how do i get java on it
[03:49] <kai_> when I do lusb it does show up
[03:49] <bobleny> Why is there so many problems with this thing?
[03:49] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: :-), I'm right with you there :).  I think that it wants to uninstall my nvidia drivers to get the stuff to be able to build kate ?!?
[03:49] <dwidmann> with which thing?
[03:49] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: the tab extension is in kate on my system
[03:49] <Eruantalon> bobleny try running adept_manager from shell
[03:49] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Not here :-(.
[03:49] <kai_> stdin: but its not showing up as a usb device
[03:50] <stdin> Eruantalon: no, you just have to look at the output of ./configure and make and you learn what to look for, but for GUI apps, you normally need xorg-dev and for kde apps you normally need libkde-dev
[03:50] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: lemme look at the install for kate again.
[03:50] <bobleny> It loaded finally, it took four trys
[03:50] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: and what's really wrong with the documents pane?
[03:50] <Eruantalon> stdin: That really sucks
[03:50] <bobleny> does dapper drake have these problems?
[03:50] <stdin> denisel: ok, do this: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[03:51] <dwidmann> bobleny: yes
[03:51] <dwidmann> as does breezy, it seems to be a really old problem.
[03:51] <farkr> man ive tried everything on fstab to get fuse to work and it refuses to let me copy files to ntfs, just keeps saying 'operation not supported' oh well i give up
[03:51] <stdin> Eruantalon: that's why the ubuntu people compile them for you :)
[03:51] <stdin> kai_: dose lsusb show it?
[03:51] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Got kate and kate extensions installed, perhaps I need to restart kde to get it to see it /1/
[03:51] <bobleny> ...
[03:52] <ralph_> Hello All.  Can anyone tell me why this is happening?  I am using edgy and have found that my Konqueror app keeps screwing up.  I launch it and it takes a long timw to display anything, then if I switch to Detailed view, it ceases to respond.  I have deleted my .rc file and it works for awhile, ten breaks again.
[03:52] <bobleny> Bye all, thanks alot for the help!
[03:52] <kai_> stdin: yes
[03:52] <Eruantalon> stdin: :-) well it is not everything they compile for me for insttance i don't think they have a deb packages of the program i am trying to write right now...
[03:52] <stdin> kai_: what dose "ls /dev/sd*" show ?
[03:52] <denisel> it says 0 upgradede 0 installed 0 to remove and 159 not upgraded
[03:52] <ubuntu_> cao
[03:53] <stdin> Eruantalon: no, they can't compile it without the source code :p
[03:53] <kai_> stdin: Im sorry, Im not familer w/ that command
[03:53] <Marija> hi people!
[03:53] <kai_> stdin: /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2
[03:53] <Eruantalon> stdin: Is it for speed purposees that the dev packages are not installed by default?
[03:53] <kai_> is that what you meant
[03:53] <stdin> kai_: yes :)
[03:53] <flaccid> is anybody using a later version of gcc in dapper than what is available in sources??
[03:54] <stdin> kai_: do this: pmount /dev/sda2 ipod
[03:54] <denisel> will it work now
[03:54] <stdin> kai_: without sido
[03:54] <stdin> denisel: try it
[03:54] <stdin> ^^^ *sudo
[03:54] <okirema> nick americo
[03:54] <kai_> stdin: I did it, it appeared nothing happend
[03:55] <stdin> kai_: now look in /media/ipod :)
[03:55] <kai_> I think it did mount tho
[03:55] <kai_> ok
[03:55] <kai_> nice
[03:55] <kai_> its there now
[03:55] <kai_> Do I have to that everytime?
[03:55] <denisel> nope it says this game can not be played
[03:55] <okirema> hello bobesponja
[03:56] <bobesponja> hey okirema
[03:56] <kai_> So when I plug it in cun I have amarok run that command stdin?
[03:56] <okirema> hablas espanol no?
[03:56] <denisel> grrrrrrrrrrr
[03:56] <stdin> kai_: I think you can get amarok to run it, yes
[03:56] <Eruantalon> denisel: Do you have a link for that game?
[03:56] <stdin> !es | okirema
[03:56] <ubotu> okirema: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:56] <kai_> Im restarting it now
[03:57] <denisel> its just in yahoo games under euchre
[03:57] <dwidmann> denisel: what browser are you using with java?
[03:57] <denisel> kubuntu
[03:57] <okirema> nadie habla espanol aqui?
[03:57] <dwidmann> !es
[03:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:57] <kai_> stdin: is my amarok busted? its still mounted, amarok is still telling me its not connected?
[03:58] <andre> Eruantalon ...did not work
[03:58] <okirema> y es obligado?
[03:58] <andre> eu falo portugues serve?
[03:59] <dwidmann> denisel: kubuntu is the linux distro/os, which browser are you using, konqueror? firefox? opera? something else entirely?
[03:59] <andre> anybody know how to configure nvidia geforce 5200 128 mb ?
[04:00] <denisel> konqueror sorry
[04:00] <Eruantalon> andre; try running glxgears
[04:00] <dwidmann> andre, what do you need to do with it, did it not work for you in the livecd?
[04:01] <dwidmann> andre: or is what you're looking for 3d acceleration?
[04:01] <stdin> kai_: maybe because amarok didn't mount it, you may need to configure it in amarok settings, under media devices
[04:01] <Eruantalon> andre; what happens?
[04:01] <andre> i'm trying to run the american's army game and I do that I download the game and...
[04:02] <dwidmann> denisel: try firefox or opera, konqueror's method of using java is rather strange imo, maybe it's the problem, won't hurt to check.
[04:02] <Eruantalon> denisel; I can't get the game to work either
[04:02] <denisel> ok so go to adapt and get firefox
[04:02] <andre> after i put this sudo chmod a+x armyops250-linux.run
[04:02] <dwidmann> denisel, sure
[04:02] <andre> and after this
[04:02] <Tamacracker> Guys when I type this command: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces  I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/902/
[04:03] <denisel> my brother has the same thing and he got it to workk
[04:03] <Tamacracker> I'm tryin to get my wireless usb adapter to work :\
[04:03] <andre> at adept manager i installed all the packages of n vidia
[04:04] <Eruantalon> yep euchre works in firefox
[04:04] <bonbonthejon> is anyone else having trouble editing in kaddressbook
[04:04] <denisel> cool
[04:05] <dwidmann> andre: try opening up konsole and typing in this: "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig", then log out, select restart xserver from the kdm menu, and log back in.
[04:05] <andre> dwidmann? wait a minute
[04:06] <denisel> it says i already have fire fox where would i find it
[04:07] <Eruantalon> Under internet
[04:07] <Eruantalon> in the menu
[04:07] <stdin> Tamacracker: you may find nano easier than vi, or you can open it in kate with "kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces "
[04:07] <andre> dwidmann: the error /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporari                                                             ly unavailable)
[04:07] <denisel> thanks
[04:07] <Eruantalon> or open a commandshell and write firefox
[04:08] <dwidmann> andre, you can't use aptitude and adept at the same time, or multiple of any apt program really.
[04:08] <stdin> andre: do you have adept open?
[04:08] <andre> stidin sorry my adept was open
[04:09] <stdin> andre: the command from dwidmann will work now
[04:09] <andre> it is working now
[04:09] <denisel> one min
[04:09] <Eruantalon> does it matter wether you use apt-get install or synaptic install og adept install?
[04:10] <andre> dwidmann now this error sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found
[04:11] <stdin> Eruantalon: adept and synaptic are all frontends to apt-get, which is just a frontend to dpkg, so it don't matter which you use
[04:11] <Eruantalon> good
[04:11] <dwidmann> Hmm, lovely
[04:11] <denisel> its not working in firefox ether
[04:11] <kai_> stdin: instead of typing this command everysingle time, can I put it in my profile somewhere so it comes up automagiclly?
[04:11] <Eruantalon> hmm
[04:12] <BluesKaj> what about aptitude ? :)
[04:12] <Eruantalon> denisel: same problem?
[04:12] <hatta> it can matter, not all front ends are as good at resolving dependencies as others
[04:12] <dwidmann> andre: did the installation of nvidia-glx fail?
[04:12] <hatta> but that usually only matters during a distupgrade
[04:12] <denisel> yep
[04:12] <stdin> dwidmann: the command in anything before edgy is "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:12] <dwidmann> stdin: that's funny, I remember using this command in dapper
[04:13] <dwidmann> or did I :s oh well
[04:13] <andre> failed again
[04:13] <denisel> i got a pop up saying web plugins
[04:13] <stdin> dwidmann: I just looked at the help page, and it said to use that command I said, unless you're in edgy
[04:13] <andre> and there's nobogy at chat in brazil, i think just me use ubuntu here
[04:13] <stdin> kai_: you can, but it means that you'll have to plug in the ipod before you login
[04:14] <dwidmann> andre try that (s/that/'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable')
[04:14] <Eruantalon> denisel: That sounds like you don't have java properly installed
[04:14] <stdin> andre: #ubuntu-br is Brazilian
[04:14] <andre> dwidmann ok here we go
[04:14] <denisel> ok how do i installe it properly
[04:15] <Eruantalon> denisel: try this link to see wether it is installed http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[04:15] <Eruantalon> Press the verify installation button
[04:15] <dwidmann> denisel: you might need to set sun java to the default if it hasn't been already, one sec and I'll show you how that can be done.
[04:15] <kai_> I'm familier w/ mounting core 4, how do It in this nix?
[04:15] <dwidmann> denisel: and also copy and past the plugin around, if you haven't done th a already too
[04:16] <stdin> why not just follow the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[04:16] <dwidmann> kai_ mounting is pretty much th e same all around.
[04:16] <dwidmann> denisel: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:16] <stdin> kai_: pmount just means you don't have to be root to mount a removable device, like usb devices
[04:17] <andre> dwidmann it isn't working
[04:17] <stdin> kai_: for normal mounting just use "sudo mount"
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[04:17] <andre> dwidmann where i have to use this command at console?
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> what's the maximum number of files that can be open at one time?
[04:17] <kai_> stdin: what does this command do ->ls /dev/sd*
[04:18] <kai_> check for open devices or something
[04:18] <strayhikari> Hey, sorry new to kubuntu and confused, trying to find out how to install the nvidia drivers, I found the directions on ubuntu's site, but they seem to be just for the gnome version
[04:18] <dwidmann> andre: one moment
[04:18] <denisel> There are 6 alternatives which provide `java'.
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> kai_: it lists all devices in /dev that start with sd
[04:18] <denisel>   Selection    Alternative
[04:18] <hatta> it lists all your scsi drives
[04:18] <denisel> -----------------------------------------------
[04:18] <denisel>       1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[04:18] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:18] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[04:18] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[04:18] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[04:18] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[04:18] <denisel> this is what i see
[04:18] <fiendskull9> why are the ubuntu repos going SO slow?
[04:18] <kai_> why would you want to look for that
[04:18] <dwidmann> andre: hmm, you can use it in console in general
[04:18] <stdin> kai_: lists any file in /dev that starts with 'sd' (all usb drives start with sd, as well as SATA HDDs)
[04:18] <andre> dwidmann ok
[04:18] <soulrider> !es
[04:18] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:18] <sistemas> #kubuntu-es
[04:19] <dwidmann> denisel: choose .... none of those by the looks of it
[04:19] <denisel> ok
[04:19] <andre> dwidmann i used at console but my console stay stopped
[04:19] <kai_> Oh, the other command means there an open sport for me to mount the ipod?
[04:19] <denisel> my bro told me how to copy and paste
[04:19] <dwidmann> denisel: sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre
[04:19] <stdin> kai_: it just check that linux can see the ipod as a drive
[04:20] <kai_> oh ok
[04:20] <stdin> kai_: everything in linux is a file, even disks :)
[04:20] <dwidmann> andre: so it's not doing anything eh, at which point did it fail, did it install the nvidia-glx package successfully, or don't you know?
[04:20] <kai_> right
[04:20] <Eruantalon> denisel: Did you try http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[04:20] <denisel>     1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[04:20] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:20] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[04:20] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[04:20] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[04:20] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[04:20] <strayhikari> How do you add restricted repositories to the Adept Manager? (trying to get nvidia drivers working)
[04:20] <denisel> thats what i got
[04:20] <Eruantalon> !restricted
[04:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:21] <andre> dwidmann let me see if i installed
[04:21] <soulrider> !es
[04:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:21] <stdin> strayhikari: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu explains how
[04:22] <dwidmann> denisel: you'll probably want to use sun's java for applets if you're interested in it working with everything, install sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin, then run sudo update-alternatives --config java after.
[04:22] <Eruantalon> denisel: Did you trying verifying?
[04:22] <denisel> my java inviroment is free software foundation and
[04:22] <stdin> strayhikari: but restricted is normally enabled anyway
[04:22] <denisel> and 142
[04:22] <strayhikari> stdin: Thank you
[04:22] <stdin> :)
[04:22] <Eruantalon> Ok. That seems to be the problem
[04:23] <denisel> yes thats what i got
[04:23] <dwidmann> yes, and like I said, you'll probably want sun java if you're expecting things to work ...
[04:23] <denisel> free software ande 142 think
[04:23] <stdin> should be something like: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[04:23] <denisel> how do i got that
[04:24] <denisel> get
[04:24] <andre> dwidmann there ae three packages  nvidia glx -dev, nvidia glx-legacy, nvidia-legacy-dev how do i have intall?
[04:24] <Tamacracker> guys
[04:24] <Tamacracker> can someone please help me
[04:24] <Tamacracker> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:""
[04:24] <Tamacracker>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
[04:24] <Tamacracker>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B
[04:24] <bonbonthejon> Tamacracker: what is your problem
[04:24] <dwidmann> andre, what you need is nvidia-glx, not nvidia-glx-dev, or either of the legacy ones, IIRC
[04:24] <andre> dwidmann there aren't install
[04:24] <stdin> denisel: install sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin
[04:24] <stdin> !wifi
[04:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:24] <Tamacracker> im tryin to install my little belkin wireless usb adapter
[04:25] <Tamacracker> wifi docs sucks.
[04:25] <Tamacracker> non of that is working.
[04:25] <andre> dwidmann nvidia-glx is installed
[04:25] <Eruantalon> denisel: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:25] <stdin> Tamacracker: what model berlkin ?
[04:25] <denisel> can i have a link
[04:25] <bonbonthejon> Tamacracker: did you try wassistant to scan for networks
[04:25] <kai_> stdin: I got it workin in Amarok I had to put the mount point an dnam emy pod
[04:25] <Marija> do anyone have linux?
[04:25] <Eruantalon> denisel: run this command: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:25] <kai_> Your tha man
[04:26] <Marija> ?
[04:26] <denisel> ok
[04:26] <stdin> kai_: no problem :)
[04:26] <dwidmann> andre, try running sudo nvidia-glx-config, I think that's what stdin said for dapper systems, anyhow.
[04:26] <Tamacracker> it's the 54G
[04:26] <Tamacracker> and the file it uses is
[04:26] <Tamacracker> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:""
[04:26] <Tamacracker>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
[04:26] <Tamacracker>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B
[04:26] <Eruantalon> Marija: Yes
[04:26] <Tamacracker> ack!
[04:26] <Tamacracker> sorry
[04:26] <dwidmann> Marija, I think everyone here has linux :)
[04:26] <Tamacracker> rt73.inf <- that's the file i install
[04:27] <stdin> dwidmann, andre: I got the info from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:27] <denisel> it says command not found
[04:27] <Eruantalon> you sure?
[04:28] <Tamacracker> then when i try to uninstall it
[04:28] <Tamacracker> it says it's not installed.
[04:28] <Tamacracker> then when i try to reinstall it
[04:28] <Tamacracker> it says it's already installed.
[04:28] <denisel> cant find package
[04:28] <andre> dwidmann I'm trying this info
[04:28] <Eruantalon> Which package?
[04:28] <andre> dwidmann thanks for the help
[04:28] <dwidmann> andre, you're welcome
[04:29] <denisel> sun java5 jre
[04:29] <dwidmann> !multiverse | denisel
[04:29] <ubotu> denisel: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:29] <andre> dwidmann if is not work I'll be back
[04:29] <dwidmann> kay
[04:29] <Eruantalon> yep. You haven't enabled the right repositories
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm getting an error in ktorrent about "too many files open"...
[04:30] <denisel> ok sorry
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not something i've seen before :\
[04:30] <stdin> denisel: what dose "apt-cache policy sun-java5-jre" show?
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> repo servers are slow as
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> today
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> seems to be the ubuntu.com server
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> kubuntu ones are fine
[04:32] <stdin> Linux_Galore: then use a different mirror
[04:32] <denisel> unable to locare
[04:32] <denisel> locate
[04:32] <Eruantalon> denisel: You have to enable to repositories
[04:32] <stdin> denisel: the multiverse repository
[04:32] <Eruantalon> follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> stdin: its funny they download fine its just the update headers stuff is really slow
[04:33] <dwidmann> denisel: pull up adept, go to manage repositories, look for a line that says something along the lines of "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse", right click on it, and select enable
[04:33] <andre> familia vc fala portugus?
[04:33] <stdin> Linux_Galore: is there a local before archive.ubuntu.com, like au.archive.ubuntu.com in your sources ?
[04:33] <denisel> ok im back in manage reposirories
[04:34] <stdin> andre: #ubuntu-pt
[04:34] <Tamacracker> Why am I gettins this error:
[04:34] <Tamacracker> tamacracker@tamacracker:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:34] <Tamacracker> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument
[04:34] <denisel> theres 5 with deb at the start
[04:34] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yeah I have the au ones
[04:34] <stdin> Tamacracker: have you setup ndiswrapper ?
[04:34] <Tamacracker> im pretty sure i did
[04:35] <Tamacracker> i downloaded it
[04:35] <Tamacracker> installed it
[04:35] <Tamacracker> then installed the inf  file i need to install for my usb adapter
[04:35] <draik> Good evening everyone
[04:35] <Tamacracker> and now im stuck.
[04:35] <andre> stdin I know that but here in Brazil it's night  1:34 pm and I think that ti is everybody sleeping or just me use kubuntu
[04:35] <Tamacracker> im grasping at straws and non of them are gettin me anywhere.
[04:35] <stdin> Linux_Galore: did you know that ubuntu don't host that server :p it points to mirror.optus.net :)
[04:35] <andre> stdin there is not anything at chat
[04:35] <stdin> ok
[04:36] <dwidmann> denisel, do it to the line that has "multiverse" in it
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yeah seems to be the au specific stuff thats lagging
[04:37] <strayhikari> Has anyone ever seen it where under Monitor & Display - System Settings, when you click on administrator nothing happens, it doens't ask you for a password just sits there?
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> stdin: I usually have no issues and its really fast
[04:38] <stdin> Linux_Galore: you can try and find a better mirror, or just wait for them to sort it out at mirror.optus.net
[04:38] <denisel> ok what if it just says disable
[04:38] <Tamacracker> Does anyone have an AUTHENTIC step by step guide on how to install and start up a Wireless 54G Belkin USB Adapter?!?
[04:38] <Eruantalon> denisel: That probably means that it is enabled
[04:38] <Tamacracker> My Wireless Assistant If recognizing wireless connections by my USB adapter isn't blinking.
[04:38] <denisel> oj
[04:38] <denisel> ok
[04:38] <Eruantalon> Have you tried pressing the fetch updates button
[04:39] <stdin> Tamacracker: what model dose it give for it in lsusb ?
[04:39] <Tamacracker> I don' tknow what ISUSB im a noob
[04:39] <denisel> ok im doing that now
[04:39] <bg__> so when I tried to install bluez-utils-3.8 it said dbus > .35 require. atp0get says dbus is already latest version.  bluez-libs-3.8 complied and isntalled properly but utils cannot configure.
[04:39] <stdin> Tamacracker: it's a console command, so just type it in konsole and post in pastebin
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> !tremulous
[04:40] <ubotu> tremulous: Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0-2 (edgy), package size 1153 kB, installed size 2740 kB
[04:40] <denisel> ok i went to fetch updates and it went back to the mane screen
[04:40] <dwidmann> denisel: after you've enabled it, click on fetch updates
[04:40] <Tamacracker> ash: isusb: command not found
[04:40] <stdin> Tamacracker: lsusb no isusb
[04:40] <Eruantalon> denisel: Ok, try installing the two packages again
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[04:40] <stdin> Tamacracker: lower case L
[04:41] <dope> is there anything special i need to install to connect via ssh to a kubuntu install?
[04:41] <dope> shouldn't it have everything already installed?
[04:41] <stdin> dope: yes, you need the ssh server, just install the package "ssh"
[04:41] <dope> ah ok
[04:41] <dope> getting now
[04:41] <dope> thx
[04:41] <stdin> :)
[04:42] <Eruantalon> stdin: Are you often in here answering everybodys questions?
[04:42] <stdin> Eruantalon: yes, I'm normally here
[04:42] <stdin> most (if not every) days
[04:43] <Eruantalon> I have only been here a few hours and already i've answered the same question a dozen times...
[04:43] <kgarrod> I'm trying to configure kate on edgy but cant't find the settings menu
[04:43] <Tamacracker> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/904/
[04:43] <denisel> ok somthing happend
[04:43] <denisel> i got a buch of text
[04:44] <stdin> Eruantalon: yeah, you get a lot of repeat questions here, especially with things like java, flash and mp3 support
[04:44] <Eruantalon> and nvidia :-)
[04:44] <cloakable> kgarrod: On the menu Settings > Configure Kate
[04:44] <Eruantalon> funny how it is all the proprietay stuff...
[04:44] <Eruantalon> denisel: Did it install?
[04:44] <kai_> stdin: say bud, how do unmount?
[04:44] <stdin> Eruantalon: yeah, that's why the bot is useful
[04:44] <denisel> i dont know
[04:45] <bg__> alright then. how about help me with another thing if not with that. I cannot get the shell to display properly. Infact, durring boot my screen is messed up and I carely see anything. If I don't use the graphich login, the screen is black. and I need to be out of xorg to install my ati ddriver
[04:45] <Linux_Galore> stdin: should put kubextra on the repo, it makes installing those things a no brainer
[04:45] <kgarrod> cloakable: configure kate is not an  option there
[04:45] <Eruantalon> stdin: It just seems that many people don't get the bot. I know i didn't in the beginning
[04:45] <stdin> kai_: use pumount, either "pumount /dev/sda2" or "pumount ipod"
[04:45] <cloakable> kgarrod: That's odd. It is on mine.
[04:45] <kgarrod> cloakable: Edgy?
[04:45] <Eruantalon> denisel: try update-alternatives --config java     again
[04:46] <denisel> ok what do i type in mabey i put the rong thing in
[04:46] <cloakable> kgarrod: Yeah
[04:46] <Eruantalon> if it says something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java then it is installed
[04:46] <stdin> Eruantalon: that's why you use the bot like "!mp3 | nickname" then the bot will answer like "nickname: info here ..."
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> kubextra "A graphical front end for installing extra packages like java/nvidia/flash  -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48166
[04:47] <denisel> theres a list of 6 things
[04:47] <Eruantalon> yes. When I first came to ask i question someone made the bot privatemessage me but i didn't notice so i kept asking...
[04:47] <Eruantalon> is any of them /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[04:47] <kgarrod> cloakable: What is the path?
[04:48] <denisel>  1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[04:48] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:48] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[04:48] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[04:48] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[04:48] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[04:48] <kgarrod> cloakable: command?
[04:48] <dwidmann> denisel, did sun-java5-jre install okay/
[04:48] <stdin> Tamacracker: can you post "lsusb -v -d 050d:705a"
[04:48] <cloakable> kgarrod: What? I start kate from the menu
[04:48] <Eruantalon> stdin: How come denisel has that many jvms?
[04:48] <denisel> no it dose not want to
[04:49] <stdin> Eruantalon: apparently he downloaded it from the sun website too
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you have three lots of java installed
[04:49] <kgarrod> cloakable: in the menu editor, what is the command that is run?
[04:49] <Eruantalon> denisel: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin       again. Does it say that the packages are already installed?
[04:49] <kgarrod> cloakable: for configure kate
[04:49] <cloakable> kgarrod: You don't run a command there.
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> denisel: did you run the apt-get  javasetup thing
[04:49] <cloakable> kgarrod: you run kate, and look in the settings menu in that program
[04:50] <junocdx> I just installed Kubuntu.  Can someone tell me how to install GAIM?
[04:50] <Eruantalon> junocdx: sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> junocdx: sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:50] <Eruantalon> or install via adept
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> !java
[04:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[04:50] <denisel> it just says there are 6 alternatibes
[04:50] <junocdx> awesome, thanks
[04:50] <stdin> Eruantalon: maybe the sun package removed the ubuntu package files, so "sudo apt-get --reinstall install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin" may work
[04:51] <kubuntero> junocdx: Have you tried Kopete?
[04:51] <stdin> to denisel too ^^
[04:51] <Eruantalon> stdin: Before the sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin packages wheren't installed
[04:51] <junocdx> yes.  I prefer Gaim
[04:51] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Welcome to the family btw
[04:51] <Eruantalon> I am trying to verify that they were installed
[04:51] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: ?
[04:51] <kubuntero> junocdx: Go right ahead :)
[04:51] <junocdx> Actually, I'd rather use Trillian. =\
[04:51] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Sitting in here answering questions over and over again :)
[04:51] <kgarrod> cloakable: oops!
[04:52] <Linux_Galore> denisel: did you run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:52] <kubuntero> bobleny: How goes?
[04:52] <junocdx> Trillian doesnt have a Linux port does it?
[04:52] <bobleny> Good! Sorta
[04:52] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: :-) The weird thing is that i am using my week off work for this...
[04:52] <bobleny> This thing still gives me problems :(
[04:52] <Eruantalon> Linux_Galore: Yes he/she did
[04:52] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Don't tell anyone. I use my weeks on work to do this :)
[04:53] <kubuntero> junocdx: Nope far as I know they used to work with GAIm then decided to make money off it
[04:53] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: I am supposed to be learning qt right now... but this keeps distracting me
[04:53] <Linux_Galore> Eruantalon: I have a feeling he/she has isntalled a java package after that command and now its mucked up
[04:53] <cloakable> kgarrod: You found it?
[04:53] <dwidmann> perhaps, sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[04:53] <kubuntero> bobleny: This being what now?
[04:53] <Eruantalon> denisel: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin                and tell us afterward what that says
[04:53] <Tamacracker> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/906/
[04:54] <kgarrod> cloakable: yes. I was being dumb. It's a bit early in the morning here
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> junocdx: no, we use gaim
[04:54] <denisel> it just gives me alternithives to java
[04:54] <stdin> Eruantalon: most of the time you get some easy question here, like "how do I get flash?", but sometimes you get some nice challenging questions too, like someone wanted to know how to stop kicker from loading for certain users
[04:55] <dwidmann> denisel: update-alternatives is used to set which programs are used by default given a handful of alternatives for things such as java, text editors, web browsers, etc
[04:55] <Eruantalon> stdin: Most of the time though this channel seems to be to crowded for my taste. When I can't keep up while trying to do something else i quit
[04:55] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you have installed 3 versions of java that command allows you to select what it going to be the default for your system
[04:55] <kgarrod> cloakable: I am trying to add syntax checking for Rails. I put the xml file in /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax, but locate katepart doesn't show it
[04:55] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: I just pop in randomly
[04:55] <dwidmann> sometimes I even sit and stay a while :O
[04:55] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: join  #ubuntu :-)
[04:56] <cloakable> kgarrod: I'm not sure about that, sorry.
[04:56] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: hell no!
[04:56] <bobleny> Well, kubuntero, since you asked, when I go to kmenu>log out > restart, the computer hangs on shutdown....
[04:56] <K`zan> is there a way to install older versions (~1.5) of firefox?
[04:56] <kubuntero> bobleny: When?
[04:56] <stdin> Eruantalon: in konversation (as well as other clients), you can get it to insert a line when you minimise it, so you can come back and see what's been said from that point on, it's quite useful
[04:56] <Eruantalon> how?
[04:56] <kubuntero> stdin: Seriously?
[04:56] <kubuntero> How?
[04:56] <kubuntero> lol
[04:56] <kgarrod> I am trying to add syntax checking for Rails. I put the xml file in /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax, but 'locate katepart' doesn't show it
[04:57] <dwidmann> stdin: yes, do tell
[04:57] <kubuntero> stdin: You use konversation?
[04:57] <denisel> a + sign is by the number 2 it says /usr/lib/jvm/jaba-gcj/jre/bin/jave
[04:57] <bobleny> I dont remember... lets find out... infact, maybe it wont do it... think positivly....
[04:57] <stdin> kubuntero: yes
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> denisel: gcj  is rubbish
[04:57] <dwidmann> denisel: that's because it is the current default
[04:57] <kubuntero> stdin: Tell me how :)
[04:57] <Eruantalon> stdin: Konversation ROCKS!
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you want the sun version
[04:58] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:58] <denisel> how do i do that
[04:58] <Eruantalon> denisel: try              sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:58] <stdin> Eruantalon dwidmann: in konversation, Settings -> configure Konversation -> Chat Window, click the "Insert remember line when chat window is hodden"
[04:58] <Eruantalon> and tell us what it says
[04:58] <stdin> kubuntero: ^^
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you use the command I posted before and it should list all the variants and you select the one you want, in this case the sun 1.5/5.0 one
[04:59] <stdin> s/hodeen/hidden/:p
[04:59] <Eruantalon> Linux_Galore: Denisel does not have the sun one in her list
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> denisel: if you install the gcj version of java it will default to that version, only down side is it doesnt work well
[04:59] <denisel> theere is a wrapper 4.1 and a wrapper 4.0 but no sun one
[04:59] <dwidmann> ah, neat, i had just recently switched from kopete (due to nasty memory leaks apparantly linked to irc in kopete), so I haven't really bothered configuring it yet ...
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> denisel: then you havent installed it
[05:00] <junocdx> Can I run Opera on 64-bit Kubuntu?
[05:00] <kubuntero> stdin: That does't count for alt-tabbing away does it?
[05:00] <dwidmann> junocdx: yes
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you have intalled gcj  wont work
[05:00] <junocdx> how do I install the package?  I got an error because of the architecture
[05:00] <denisel> so what do i do to get it installed
[05:00] <stdin> kubuntero: no, but I have a shortcut key set to minimise the window
[05:01] <Eruantalon> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> denisel: install the sun 5.0 java package
[05:01] <dwidmann> junocdx: install all of the ia32-libs packages(there are a few), then install libasound32 (IIRC), then install the package in konsole with dpkg --install --force-architecture filename.deb
[05:01] <bobleny> Didn't do it that time.... It has every other time I've told it to restart.... Dumb thing....
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> denisel: run adept you should see it
[05:01] <Eruantalon> denisel: do: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:01] <denisel> ok
[05:01] <kubuntero> stdin: Aside from  Alt+F3
[05:02] <bobleny> But, how often does one have to restart the computer?
[05:02] <Eruantalon> stdin: Hmm i don't have that option
[05:03] <stdin> kubuntero: yes, it just minimises the window, not bring up the menu, but because I use beryl, I have one set in there aswel
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> denisel: actually you will have to install java from the command line sorry it needs you to ok a licence queery
[05:03] <stdin> Eruantalon: it should be there, if you're in kinversation
[05:03] <dwidmann> gah, something reset my uptime ... or wait, I put in that hard drive last night, before that I hadn't rebooted for 2 weeks
[05:03] <Eruantalon> what version?
[05:04] <denisel> im looking in adept
[05:04] <bobleny> Hey, is there a way to make the num lock turn on by defult? It is always off when I turn the comp on.
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> denisel: dont bother it wont work
[05:04] <stdin> Tamacracker: I can't find the chip set for that one, but I did find this which may help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323481
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> denisel: type sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:04] <dwidmann> bobleny: maybe in your bios, I know my bios has an option for that
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> denisel: one thats finnished run
[05:04] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: that must be the 20th time
[05:04] <stdin> Eruantalon: it was in the dapper and edgy versions, i'm in feisty and it's in this one too
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> denisel: did you run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> oops
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> denisel: run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> denisel: 2 steps
[05:05] <bobleny> nope, not in BIOS
[05:06] <Eruantalon> i have konversation 1.0.1
[05:06] <dwidmann> bobleny: system settings -> keyboard
[05:06] <denisel> that comand dose not work in my shell konal
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> denisel: whats the error
[05:06] <bobleny> Hey! thanks
[05:06] <denisel> it just gives me alturnitves
[05:07] <Linux_Galore> denisel: usually gives more than that
[05:08] <Eruantalon> denisel: What does the command output exactly?
[05:08] <kubuntero> stdin: Good news the SVN has remember lines for lose focus :)
[05:08] <stdin> Eruantalon: http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot6si3.jpg
[05:08] <stdin> kubuntero: I may have to get it then :)
[05:09] <junocdx> :dwidmann what is libasound32?  all I see is libasound2?
[05:09] <kubuntero> Ah the KDE <3
[05:09] <dwidmann> junocdx: I must be thinking of something else
[05:10] <dwidmann> maybe libaudio32 or similar, can't remember, that's why I rigged up a script to do it all for me
[05:10] <Eruantalon> stdin: DOH. It somehow escaped my attention that there were two identicly named tabs
[05:10] <Eruantalon> stdin: Thanks i found it
[05:10] <stdin> :)
[05:11] <fxr> how can i find out which revision of fglrxi have installed
[05:11] <fxr> ?
[05:11] <dasickis> hey
[05:11] <fxr> how can i find out which revision of fglrx have installed
[05:11] <fxr> how can i find out which revision of fglrx i have installed
[05:11] <denisel> ok im installing gcj
[05:11] <denisel> that is installed now
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> denisel: gcj wont work
[05:11] <stdin> junocdx, dwidmann: libasound2 (and the -dev -doc and -plugins) is the only package I found with "libasound" in it
[05:11] <fxr> or does such a question make sense ^
[05:12] <Linux_Galore> denisel: told you three times now its not "java"
[05:12] <denisel> what do i need
[05:12] <dasickis> I needed some help I uninstalled kubuntu-desktop and then installed kde-core but then realized I uninstalled some good kubuntu packages so I reinstalled kubuntu
[05:12] <Dr_willis> fxr,  fire up adept search for fglrx - look at the version #'s ?
[05:12] <dasickis> but now few things are messed up
[05:12] <dasickis> like on the bottom bar the application tabs wont show
[05:12] <Eruantalon> denisel: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin and TELL US THE OUTPUT!
[05:12] <dwidmann> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330684 - here is the link regarding that script I wrote, try it out if interested junocdx
[05:12] <Linux_Galore> denisel: as I have said "twice: you need the Sun Java 5.0 package , you cant install it from adept because you have to confirm the license
[05:12] <dasickis> and then the KDE Icon Start Menu is gone
[05:12] <fxr> k thanks Dr_willis : )
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> denisel: if you dont see the Sun Java package in adept (dont install it if you do) it means you havent setup adept properly yet
[05:14] <junocdx> dwidmann: I got it installed with the command you told me earlier
[05:14] <dwidmann> things are going in circles, denisel must be frustrated
[05:14] <stdin> fxr: or just use apt-cache policy xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:14] <kyle__> Can someone help me for a bit?
[05:14] <kubuntero> night
[05:14] <denisel> this is what i got
[05:14] <denisel> There are 6 alternatives which provide `java'.
[05:14] <denisel>   Selection    Alternative
[05:14] <denisel> -----------------------------------------------
[05:15] <denisel>       1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[05:15] <kyle__> Can someone please help me out?
[05:15] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[05:15] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[05:15] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[05:15] <stdin> !ask | kyle__
[05:15] <ubotu> kyle__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:15] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[05:15] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[05:15] <denisel> Press enter to keep the default[*] , or type selection number:
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you havent install Sun Java 5,0 yet thats why
[05:15] <kyle__> Can someone PM me?
[05:15] <denisel> denise@denise-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:15] <denisel> Password:
[05:15] <denisel> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:15] <denisel> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:15] <denisel> denise@denise-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:15] <stdin> !pastebin | denisel
[05:15] <ubotu> denisel: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:15] <denisel> i dont know how
[05:15] <Eruantalon> denisel: Thank you. Shut down adept
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> denisel: read the howto
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> !java
[05:16] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:16] <kyle__> I cant seem to get to download from the wine repositroy with Synaptic...
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> denisel: "actually" read it, it tells you all the steps
[05:17] <denisel> ok
[05:17] <stdin> kyle__: have you added the wine repository to your sources ?
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you cant install sun Java 5.0 from within adept, if you cant install it from the command like it tells me you skipped the early step were it tells you to make sure a repository is setup in adept
[05:17] <kyle__> i tried to, but its different, i did it at a friends house, but the synaptic looks completly different...
[05:17] <denisel> im waiting for it to load
[05:17] <dwidmann> junocdx: from my script, since I couldn't remember everything, aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-gtk lib32asound2;
[05:18] <Eruantalon> Linux_Galore: denisel has adept running while running apt-get i think...
[05:18] <bobleny> Hey, If I install another file manager, like dolphine, will I be able to unistall konqorer and make dolphine my defulte file manager? or how does that work exactlly?
[05:18] <Linux_Galore> denisel: yeah dont have adept running when you run the apt-get command
[05:18] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Probably you will get a lot of problems
[05:18] <Dr_willis> bobleny,  no i doubt it.. ya wouldent want to anyway.
[05:18] <stdin> kyle__: what version of kubuntu do you have, dapper or edgy ?
[05:18] <dwidmann> bobleny: konqueror can't be remove, but it should be possible to set it to default
[05:18] <kyle__> edgy 6.10 or whatever
[05:18] <junocdx> dwidmann: I got the ia32 packages installed.  and I got opera installed.  and I installed your program.  thanks for the help! =D
[05:18] <kyle__> and so did my friend
[05:19] <bobleny> Why cant konqueror be removed???
[05:19] <dwidmann> junocdx: np
[05:19] <denisel> oh i didnt know
[05:19] <kyle__> at his house i just clicked custom and added in the one line of code
[05:19] <dwidmann> bobleny: it's deeply integrated into kde
[05:19] <kyle__> my synaptic i got a new button, and three lines to fill it
[05:19] <denisel> i should or not have adept runing
[05:19] <kyle__> and i click ok and it doesnt add then when i click reload
[05:19] <Eruantalon> bobleny because a lot of things depend upon it
[05:19] <Eruantalon> denisel: Close adept
[05:19] <junocdx> dwidmann: lol.. I lied.  Opera doesnt run. =\
[05:19] <Eruantalon> Then run the command
[05:19] <Linux_Galore> denisel: no adept is a graphcical version of apt-get but you cant run it twice
[05:19] <bobleny> Figuers, the one thing I don't like about KDE, and it cant be removed.... uhhhh
[05:19] <Dr_willis> i imagine the alternative file managers dont support all the fun KIOSLAVES also.
[05:20] <denisel> its closed
[05:20] <dwidmann> junocdx: pull up konsole, type in opera, see what it says.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> bobleny,  ugh.. yea.. sure...
[05:20] <Eruantalon> denisel: Ok then run sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:20] <stdin> kyle__: in synaptic, go to Settings -> Repositories, you can add it there
[05:20] <kyle__> i did stdin, it doesnt work
[05:20] <BluesKaj> bobleny, then go with gtk gnome...kde works well
[05:21] <bobleny> lol
[05:21] <Eruantalon> bobleny: But if you don't open why should it bother you?
[05:21] <Minataku> [23:18:16]  dwidmann bobleny: it's deeply integrated into kde << Gee, what else does that sound like...
[05:21] <Minataku> Oh, yeah
[05:21] <stdin> kyle__: add it under the "Third party" tab, just click "Add" and put it in there
[05:21] <Minataku> EXPLORER
[05:21] <dwidmann> bobleny: you can set something else to be default, and remove the icons for launching konqueror if that's how you feel
[05:21] <denisel> it said couldn't find package  sun have
[05:21] <Minataku> *dramatic chord*
[05:21] <kyle__> there is no third party tab
[05:21] <denisel> java
[05:22] <BluesKaj> yeah , run unix ...forget about GUI's  ..purist city
[05:22] <bobleny> ... lol ...
[05:22] <Eruantalon> denisel: Ok. Then it seems that you do not have the right repos enabled
[05:22] <dwidmann> Minataku: well, it's not THAT deeply integrated, but deeply enough that removing it would probably be troublesome
[05:22] <Murchadh> bobleny: What is it about konqueror that offends you so?
[05:22] <Eruantalon> denisel: Are you sure you entered the command EXACTLY as i gave it to you
[05:22] <Linux_Galore> denisel: yeah, you need to "enable" multiverse in adept
[05:22] <Minataku> dwidmann: I know, I'm just bored
[05:22] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[05:23] <stdin> kyle__: ok, so we do it the "other" way, press Alt-F2 (to open the run dialogue) and in there type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" then just add the repository to the end
[05:23] <BluesKaj> nite all
[05:23] <denisel> everything was enabled
[05:23] <kyle__> stdin can i possibly send you a snapshot of it?
[05:23] <stdin> night BluesKaj :)
[05:23] <bobleny> everything so far.... I havn't like a single featuer of it. In fact, its featuers are what I don't like....
[05:23] <kyle__> i want to use this program in the future and im looking to fix it, not a workaround
[05:23] <stdin> kyle__: is there any reason you need the version from the wine repo, not the ubuntu one?
[05:24] <dwidmann> If I remember right exploder.exe was the desktop, taskbar, browser, web browser, windower, and more
[05:24] <Linux_Galore> denisel:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:24] <kyle__> ?
[05:24] <stdin> !wine
[05:24] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:24] <Linux_Galore> denisel: tells you how to enable multiverse
[05:24] <kyle__> yah thats what im trying to get
[05:24] <kyle__> wine
[05:24] <kyle__> i got the repository link and everything
[05:25] <Eruantalon> denisel: If the packages cannot be found then the repos are NOT enabled
[05:25] <stdin> kyle__: there is version of wine for ubuntu, just follow instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[05:25] <Linux_Galore> lol
[05:25] <stdin> dwidmann: it may be easier :p
[05:25] <fxr> is restarting X the same as rebooting if ive been messing with display & xorg.conf settings??
[05:26] <Minataku> fxr: Yeah
[05:26] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: dont even have to do that, just get him/her to install kubextra -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:26] <stdin> fxr: no, you don't need to reboot
[05:26] <bobleny> I want one simple basic thing to manage my files, one simple basic thing to browser the internet, and many simple programes to display or execute my files.... not to mention its supossed lack of the forward and back buttons on my mouse....
[05:26] <Minataku> If you want X changes to take effect just Ctrl+Alt+BkSp
[05:26] <junocdx> dwidmann: I get errors when I tr to run opera.  should I paste the errors?
[05:26] <denisel> im so fruserated its not funny
[05:26] <dwidmann> !paste | junocdx
[05:26] <ubotu> junocdx: paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[05:26] <dwidmann> or just pm me, I don't care
[05:26] <denisel> ok trying again
[05:26] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: so did you enable multiverse ?
[05:27] <stdin> fxr: if you logout there is a entry in the menu called "Restart the X server" use that
[05:27] <kyle__> ok adept manager worked
[05:27] <dwidmann> what did I need to enable multiverse for Linux_Galore
[05:27] <kyle__> so should i just use adept manager, and get rid of synaptic manager?
[05:27] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: it tells adept were to get some extra packages ie "Java"
[05:27] <bobleny> Denisel, I feel your pain....
[05:27] <dwidmann> kyle__ you can, but you're nto obligated to
[05:27] <kyle__> whats the difference between the two, besides synaptic not working for crap
[05:28] <stdin> kyle__: I use synaptic, but maybe a different version to you as I'm running feisty, not edgy
[05:28] <Eruantalon> denisel: It can be quite frustrating sometimes. But if you listen to exactly what we are saying it will go alot faster.
[05:28] <dwidmann> s/nto/not
[05:28] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann:  did you click on the update bitton
[05:28] <Linux_Galore> button*
[05:28] <Juno> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/907/
[05:28] <dwidmann> But I'm not doing anything, besides, I'm using java 6 :)
[05:28] <stdin> kyle__: you can use www.imageshack.us to send me a screenshot of what it looks like
[05:29] <Linux_Galore> oops
[05:29] <Minataku> fxr: Did it work?
[05:30] <dwidmann> Juno: line 3 is the reason it's not coming up, try installing libqt3-mt
[05:30] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: oops bad autocomplete
[05:30] <bobleny> From my understanding, Gentoo is much better at custimizing the computer, is this true, do you know?
[05:30] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: bad indeed :O
[05:30] <fxr> no Minataku flgrxinfo still not give me the output i want
[05:30] <fxr> i was was looking in my logs
[05:30] <fxr>  DRI initialization failed!                  *
[05:30] <fxr> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[05:30] <fxr> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[05:30] <fxr> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available
[05:30] <Juno> dwidmann: I have that installed all ready
[05:31] <dwidmann> bobleny: it's my understanding that gentoo is also much slower, and more involved
[05:31] <dwidmann> Juno: hmm
[05:31] <kyle__> http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1wx5.png
[05:31] <Juno> what kernel does 6.10 use?
[05:31] <Minataku> fxr: Ouch
[05:31] <bobleny> I know from experince it is far more involved!!
[05:31] <dwidmann> which version of ubuntu are you using, I'll fire up a vm and see what's up
[05:31] <Minataku> Do you have the kernel module installed/inserted?
[05:31] <Juno> dwidmann: 6.10
[05:31] <stdin> Juno: 2.6.17 i think
[05:31] <kyle__> i add the url and click ok, then reload, and it does nothing at all, doesnt get the repository files
[05:31] <dwidmann> okie dokie  juno
[05:32] <denisel> there i disabled than enabled everything
[05:32] <stdin> Juno: yep, 2.6.17-10-generic
[05:32] <Linux_Galore> denisel: so basically installling java is really three steps 1, setup multiverse in Adept, 2, use apt-get  from the command line to get Java. 3 use apt-get to define what is the default versions of Java on your system
[05:32] <tamacreacker> How come when I open Airsnort I get these errors on terminal: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/908/
[05:32] <fxr> "Do you have the kernel module installed/inserted?" i think so how can i check...?
[05:33] <kyle__> stdin did you see that screenshot?
[05:33] <Minataku> fxr: Let me check
[05:33] <dwidmann> that's interesting, I wonder why /media/storage didn't mount on startup >.>
[05:33] <Eruantalon> denisel: ok
[05:33] <stdin> kyle__: looking now
[05:33] <Eruantalon> Then you fetch packages
[05:33] <dwidmann> what was that command for checking the UUID of a partition again?
[05:33] <Linux_Galore> tamacreacker: because "sbin" is a root folder and user cant access it so use sudo airsnort
[05:33] <stdin> tamacreacker: the "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device" errors are harmless, don't worry about them
[05:34] <Minataku> fxr: You should be able to see all the active modules via /proc/modules
[05:34] <denisel> i need to go to bed
[05:34] <Minataku> Apologies if my ways are a bit foreign, I'm a Gentoo user and I do everything from the CLI XD
[05:34] <stdin> dwidmann: "sudo vol_id -u <partition>"
[05:34] <tamacreacker> ah ok
[05:34] <tamacreacker> is there anyway that i can make airsnort into an applet?
[05:34] <denisel> i will do some moore tomorrow
[05:34] <tamacreacker> so i dont have to keep goin to my terminal
[05:35] <Minataku> tamacreacker: The terminal is awesome :o
[05:35] <stdin> kyle__: click the add button
[05:35] <dwidmann> thanks stdin
[05:35] <kyle__> there is no add button stdin...
[05:35] <stdin> kyle__: bottom left
[05:35] <Linux_Galore> tamacreacker: yeah. create a link on your desktop  just set the run kommand as kdesu airsnort
[05:35] <kyle__> theres a new button
[05:35] <kyle__> and i click it
[05:35] <kyle__> and add the url
[05:35] <kyle__> and click ok
[05:35] <kyle__> and then click reload
[05:35] <kyle__> and it doesnt get anything related to wine
[05:35] <kyle__> and i went into adept and put the same link it
[05:35] <kyle__> and it worked right off the bat
[05:35] <kyle__> so wth lol
[05:35] <Linux_Galore> command*
[05:36] <stdin> kyle__: what URL did you add?
[05:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i install wine-0.9.28.tar.bz2, thx
[05:36] <fxr> Minataku my /proc/modules is an empty file
[05:37] <Minataku> fxr: :o
[05:37] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: if you asking that question you shouldnt be downloading a source file
[05:37] <dwidmann> Juno, sorry it took me a minute to work that out, my device nodes got moved around while I was playing with hard drives last night, I have vmware up and working now though.
[05:37] <fxr> is that bad?
[05:37] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: you gonna compile wine? good luck
[05:37] <kyle__> For Ubuntu Edgy (6.10):
[05:37] <kyle__>  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[05:37] <tamacreacker> ah i see... ok now im gettin this when i click start: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/909/
[05:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> i want the newest version, the stuff in repo don't work out too well
[05:37] <Juno> dwidmann: by all means.. take your time
[05:38] <Linux_Galore> tamacreacker: does the /sbin/wlanctl-ng  file actually exist ?
[05:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> Linux_Galore if it is that simple why can't u just give the instructions instead, how would i ever deal with a source file if i don't even try it
[05:38] <dwidmann> and it seems I didn't have a kubuntu edgy vm setup, so that'll take a few minutes too, should be somewhat faster though seeing as I have the iso handy
[05:38] <Eruantalon> Maybe I should go to bed as well it is 5:38 in the morning here... yawn.
[05:38] <stdin> kyle__: under URI: put "http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt" , under Distribution: put "edgy" and under Section(s): put "main" that should work
[05:39] <tamacreacker> i dont know Linux.
[05:39] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: because "wine" has a pile of dependencies and you cant just "build" wine of the bat yoiu have to set up some things
[05:39] <tamacreacker> how would I check that?
[05:39] <draik> can I remote into my friend's computer at home with krdc and krfb?
[05:39] <tamacreacker> my Wireless USB Adapter works.. i know that.
[05:39] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: use "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main" in your sources, that's easier than compileing (if you use dapper, replace "edgy" with "dapper" )
[05:39] <Balsamic_Chicken> kk
[05:39] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: also "wine" is in the repository anyway so why bother
[05:40] <kyle__> wow thanks stdin, im a idiot :)
[05:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> cuz i said i'd like the newest version plus i'd like to try work with a .bz2 for once
[05:40] <stdin> kyle__: no problem :) the interface will be improved in feisty anyway :)
[05:40] <Minataku> fxr: It's kind of weird
[05:40] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: thats just a zip file format, not big deal
[05:40] <Linux_Galore> no*
[05:40] <Minataku> I thought Ubuntu kernels were all-mod
[05:41] <Minataku> Which means that there should be a load of crap in there since pretty much all the drivers are moduled
[05:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> Linux_Galore ..then how do i do it
[05:41] <andre> dwidmann do you remember me? about nvidia?
[05:41] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: if you want to try and compile something, don't start with wine, it's  a major headache to compile
[05:42] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: well for a normal package (not wine) you type   cd /path/to/file/   then tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[05:42] <tamacreacker> #ubuntu
[05:42] <kyle__> one more question stdin
[05:42] <Minataku> stdin: Are you a kubuntu user?
[05:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's j in tar for
[05:42] <dwidmann> andre, yes
[05:42] <kyle__> how do i do vlc?
[05:42] <kyle__> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[05:42] <stdin> Minataku: yes
[05:42] <Minataku> Are there a load of entries in your /proc/modules ?
[05:42] <dwidmann> still having trouble andre?
[05:42] <andre> stdin do you remember me? about nvidia glx
[05:42] <draik> stdin: Hello. Can I remote into my friend's computer with krdc and krfb?
[05:42] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: then you cd the the new directory then type   ./configure  then make  then sudo make install
[05:43] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: thats it
[05:43] <stdin> kyle__: you the one in the ubuntu repositories, it's in universe I think
[05:43] <stdin> !info vlc
[05:43] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[05:43] <Balsamic_Chicken> Linux_Galore did u mean cd /path_to_file, and then what's j in jxvf for
[05:43] <stdin> draik: if they have vnc server setup, then yes
[05:43] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: you cd to the place were you put the file first Linux doesnt magically know were the file is
[05:43] <stdin> andre: yes ?
[05:43] <draik> stdin: how do they have it setup?
[05:44] <draik> !vnc
[05:44] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[05:44] <Minataku> stdin: Are there a load of entries in your /proc/modules ?
[05:44] <kyle__> im confused
[05:44] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: cd - change directory  same as dos
[05:44] <bobleny> VNC is cool!
[05:44] <Balsamic_Chicken> Linux_Galore i meant when u typed cd /path/to/file, did u mean cd /path_to_file
[05:44] <bobleny> I have it on my windows, it drives my sister insane! lol
[05:44] <dwidmann> Juno: the vm is almost set up :) five more minutes I reckon
[05:44] <stdin> Minataku: yes 132 of them
[05:45] <Linux_Galore> usually I type ~/path/to/file/   its the path so you dont end with the file name
[05:45] <Juno> can someone walk me through mounting my ntfs drive?
[05:45] <Minataku> stdin: Hm
[05:45] <stdin> Juno: read the guide
[05:45] <bobleny> I installed dolphine file manager it is so much faster than konqorer! :)
[05:45] <stdin> Minataku: why ?
[05:45] <Juno> stdin: where do I find it?
[05:45] <andre> stdin my nvidia is running now but when I run this command sudo sh ./armyops250-linux.run to enter the game  apear this error Error in MD5 checksums: 5fe3c545fac8df4e82440c18c70b25a1 is different from dc7ebb581249712f797c6d283a8e98a5
[05:45] <stdin> ntfs | Juno
[05:45] <bobleny> How do I make it my defult file manager though?
[05:45] <stdin> ntfs | Juno
[05:46] <Minataku> stdin: fxr is having trouble with dri and his /proc/modules is empty
[05:46] <stdin> !ntfs | Juno
[05:46] <ubotu> Juno: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:46] <stdin> damn keyboard :p
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken:  ~/  is a short cut for /home/username/
[05:46] <andre> stdin what I have to do?
[05:46] <Juno> !ntfs-3g
[05:46] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[05:46] <kyle__> how do i close a non responding application?
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: so lets say i downloaded the file to my Documents folder I would type  ~/Documents
[05:46] <dwidmann> andre: it's saying that a file is incomplete or corrupt
[05:47] <Minataku> kyle__: Console or GUI?
[05:47] <Linux_Galore> Balsamic_Chicken: sorry cd  ~/Documents
[05:47] <kyle__> gui
[05:47] <stdin> Minataku: /proc/modules can't be empty, it list all the modules loaded
[05:47] <andre> dwidmann ok i'll try download again
[05:47] <bg__> stupid question but, does edgy come with kde 4?
[05:47] <fxr> : \
[05:47] <stdin> andre: try downloading it again, it seems to be corrupt
[05:47] <Minataku> kyle__: Open a terminal, type "ps" and look for the name, there will be a PID associated with it, type kill [pid] 
[05:47] <dwidmann> bg__ no
[05:47] <dwidmann> bg__: kde3.5.5
[05:47] <andre> dwidn thanks for the link my nvidia is running
[05:48] <stdin> bg__: KDE4 isn't nearly ready to release yet
[05:48] <Minataku> If anyone else has an easier way you're welcome to tell him XD
[05:48] <Linux_Galore> kde4 = 6 months
[05:48] <tamacreacker> im gettin this when i click start on Airsnort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/909/
[05:48] <dwidmann> minataku: killall <processname>
[05:48] <stdin> Linux_Galore: what the release, or developer release ?
[05:49] <Minataku> dwidmann: Sure, that's a bit easier, I guess XD
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> stdin: for the first stable Im reading
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> stdin: dev unstable stuff is out already but its very incomplete
[05:49] <kyle__> kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ ps
[05:49] <kyle__>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[05:49] <kyle__> 13107 pts/3    00:00:00 bash
[05:49] <kyle__> 13123 pts/3    00:00:00 ps
[05:50] <stdin> Linux_Galore: but it's not ready for use on the desktop yet, for developing it will be ready soon
[05:50] <kyle__> man wth
[05:50] <dwidmann> :( ubiquity-kde wants to download things? how evil
[05:50] <kyle__> everything is such a hassle with this stupid thing
[05:50] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yep, thats why I said "unstable"
[05:51] <Minataku> kyle__: Doh
[05:51] <Minataku> kyle__: Sorry, ps -A
[05:51] <Linux_Galore> tamacreacker: its saying a file is missing
[05:51] <stdin> tamacreacker: you need to install linux-wlan-ng
[05:51] <kyle__> operation not permitted
[05:51] <kyle__> pos linux
[05:52] <tamacreacker> ok
[05:52] <tamacreacker> how do i install it
[05:52] <stdin> kyle__: why not ise ksysguard
[05:52] <kyle__> what?
[05:52] <stdin> tamacreacker: install in adept/synaptic/apt-get you choose
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: you mean it wont allow a "user" to run system commands that "may" hose your system like windows does
[05:52] <Minataku> kyle__: Take stdin's advice, my way is the hard way
[05:52] <stdin> kyle__: it's a GUI to let you kill processes
[05:52] <tamacreacker> so it'll be called linux-wlan-ng?
[05:52] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[05:53] <kyle__> how is end process a system command?
[05:53] <stdin> (amongst other things it dose)
[05:53] <Minataku> kyle__: If you don't own the process it is
[05:53] <kyle__> did i just run it myself and have it freeze?
[05:53] <fxr> it seems my /proc/devices file is also empty which i believe is wrong.. i must looking at it wrong.. i using sudo thunar.. then clicking the file...
[05:53] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: if "root" own the processs the user cant kill it
[05:53] <Minataku> Really, to get technical it's a system command no matter what, but there are restrictions on what you can terminate with it
[05:53] <Linux_Galore> owns*
[05:53] <kyle__> ok so.... i just gotta sit here witha  frozen application?
[05:53] <stdin> tamacreacker: yes, it's called  linux-wlan-ng
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: no use sudo ksysguard,   life becomes to much easier
[05:54] <kyle__> whats that?
[05:54] <stdin> kyle__: also, if your app froze, you can use Ctrl-Alt-Esc then click in the window, and it will close
[05:54] <kyle__> sudo -i?
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: you can see all the processes in a graphical form and whats sucking up resources and what isnt and with a single click kil it
[05:55] <stdin> kyle__: Kmenu -> System -> KSysGuard
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: ksysguard is the easy way to manager your running processes
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> manage*
[05:56] <kyle__> i miss suse and redhat
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: they use the same thing
[05:56] <kyle__> lol
[05:57] <Juno> dwidmann: any progress?
[05:57] <stdin> KSysGuard is a KDE app, most (if not all) KDE distros use it
[05:57] <kyle__> ok, so now i need to get vlc
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Ive got ksyguard on fedora 6.0
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> ksysguard*
[05:58] <dwidmann> Juno: the vm is setup and now booting
[05:58] <dwidmann> it wanted to download genormous language packs, or something
[05:58] <tamacreacker> lol
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: easy either use adept or run  apt-get install vlc
[05:59] <stdin> dwidmann: it's probably just doing a whole system update
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: sorry sudo apt-get install vlc
[05:59] <tamacreacker> im gettin this when i click start on Airsnort: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/910/
[05:59] <kyle__> adept doesnt have vlc
[05:59] <kyle__> what do i do?
[05:59] <stdin> kyle__: you need to enable the universe repository
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: aah need to enable universe in adept
[06:00] <stdin> snap :0
[06:00] <kyle__> ok how do i do that?
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> !java
[06:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:00] <stdin> !universe | kyle__
[06:00] <ubotu> kyle__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:01] <stdin> tamacreacker: maybe you need to run it as root, ie with sudo, or kdesu if it's a GUI app
[06:02] <tamacreacker> :\ brb
[06:02] <hype> http://kmwarren.imarichkid.hop.clickbank.net
[06:03] <kyle__> anyone play World of Warcraft on thier Linux?
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> tomsku: add a app link on your desktop and set the run command to kdesu airsnort
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: yeah, you need to set it up under wine
[06:03] <dwidmann> gah, I had forgotten how dreadfully slow konqueror is without a proper dns cache ... man that is slow
[06:03] <kyle__> yah, not what i asked
[06:04] <kyle__> has anyone tried it yet here?
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: yes, it works
[06:04] <kyle__> better then windows? lol
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> kyle__: same really, bit slower because its not native
[06:04] <stdin> Linux_Galore: under wine then?
[06:05] <dthacker> Hi, how can I get my ipod to mount at /media/ipod instead of /media/sda2?
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yeah, allot of pissing around though to do it in wine, cedega is easier
[06:05] <flaccid> can you get a free cedega?
[06:05] <stdin> wine can be a b**ch :p
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: nope
[06:05] <flaccid> hehe
[06:06] <dwidmann> Juno: alright, I'm running the script now, then I'll tell you what I find out
[06:06] <fxr> how can i fix this? Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:06] <stdin> dthacker: are you running edgy or dapper?
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> fxr:  what are you on ?
[06:06] <fxr> edgy
[06:06] <dthacker> Linux_Galore: dapper
[06:06] <kyle__> is there a linux program like daemon tools/
[06:06] <ccatalan> ejale
[06:06] <ccatalan> hola
[06:06] <ccatalan> chilenos x ahi
[06:07] <ccatalan> hi
[06:07] <dthacker> stdin: dapper
[06:07] <dthacker> sorry, crossed wires there
[06:07] <stdin> dthacker: are you mounting it from the dialogue that opens when you connect it ?
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> fxr: aaah, do you get that when you try to run glxgears ?
[06:07] <dthacker> stdin: yes, but I'm not sure I should
[06:07] <stdin> Linux_Galore: wouldn't glxinfo tell you more
[06:07] <fxr> no when i run fglrxinfo
[06:08] <fxr> ve been trying to get xgl to run all night
[06:08] <flaccid> fxr there are solutions on forums but not always work if you need to change the mesa driver as well
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> fxr: I had to add three lines to xorg.conf  at the end to fix that
[06:08] <kyle__> is there a program like daemon tools for linux? mount iso's...etc
[06:08] <fxr> ve been round and round forums all day/night..
[06:08] <stdin> dthacker: I think it may be a bug in dapper, you can mount it manually instead with "pmount /dev/sda2 ipod" (without sudo), that will mount it to /media/ipod
[06:09] <fxr> i am getting closer so ll keep looking
[06:09] <ccatalan> como instalo gaim en kubuntu
[06:09] <stdin> kyle__: linux can mount iso's naively
[06:09] <kyle__> how
[06:09] <dthacker> stdin: so say "do nothing" to the initial KDE dialog and mount at CL....
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> fxr: so you have installed the comercial driver for your card and the glx  stuff ??
[06:10] <fxr> yeah..
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> fxr: ok I added three lines to fix it up
[06:10] <dwidmann> Hmm, I guess on the bright side I fixed three bugs in my script just now, on the downside they shouldn't have been there to begin with.
[06:10] <stdin> kyle__: like this (modify for you circumstances):  "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop myimage.iso ~/images"
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> fxr: to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:10] <Juno> stdin: the website you gave me, the link for the auto mount script is broken, and as for editing my fstab I've only edited one before and it didnt look anything like what this one does.
[06:11] <kyle__> any program to mount it? lol, im not into the type it out for no reason hardon
[06:11] <stdin> dthacker: no, afaik, "do nothing"still mounts it, just click cancel
[06:11] <fxr> Linux_Galore m confused have you editted MY xorg.conf ?!?!??
[06:11] <dthacker> ok, it's mounted as /media/ipod
[06:11] <stdin> Juno: hun?
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> fxr:    Section "Extensions" / newline   Options "Composite"  "Disable"  / newline  EndSection
[06:12] <dthacker> stdin: tnx. now I'll try some syncs
[06:12] <stdin> dthacker: it's be fixed in edgy (i think) and feisty too, so you could upgrade, or just mount it like that
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> fxr: dont actually type  / newline   thats just a warning to start a new line
[06:13] <Juno> stdin:  you sent me a guide for mounting drives.  the link for the automount script is broken.  and I dont know enough to edit my fstab and the guide doesnt give me enough.
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> fxr: put that right at the end of the file
[06:13] <dthacker> stdin: I'll put edgy on my daughter's pc, then I won't be tech support ;)
[06:13] <fxr> Section "Extensions"
[06:13] <fxr> 	Option	    "Composite" "Disable"
[06:13] <fxr> EndSection
[06:13] <stdin> Juno: ahh, the ntfs one?
[06:13] <Juno> stdin: yes
[06:13] <fxr> its already there mate...
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> fxr: then you have another issue hmm
[06:14] <Juno> stdin: theres information in my fstab for the drive all ready
[06:14] <fxr> i think its definately my xorg.conf file...
[06:14] <stdin> Juno: yes, I know that's broken, but there are manual instructions there too, follow them, if you get stuck on parts, just ask
[06:14] <stdin> Juno: you just edit the file, don't replace it
[06:15] <Juno> stdin: right.  but there is a line for my ntfs drive all ready with a uuid infront of it.  the guide says nothing about that
[06:15] <Linux_Galore> fxr: always try running  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:16] <Linux_Galore> fxr: thats a wizard to setup the xorg.conf file
[06:16] <fxr> k cheers ll have a nose at that...
[06:16] <stdin> Juno: can post the fstab file on pastebin please?
[06:17] <Juno> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/912/
[06:18] <dthacker> stdin:  even though the ipod is mounted, it continues to flash "Do not disconnect"  Is that an error?
[06:18] <stdin> Juno: do you just want read access, or write ?
[06:18] <Juno> stdin: both if possible.
[06:19] <stdin> dthacker: no, it saying don't just put the cable out, if you "Safely remove" it (from the right click menu), it will then change
[06:20] <stdin> Juno: dose it mount now? (with read only access)?
[06:21] <dthacker> stdin: ah, I see
[06:21] <Juno> stdin: no.  theres nothing in the folder
[06:21] <stdin> Juno: which one, you seem to have three
[06:22] <Juno> stdin: none
[06:22] <Juno> stdin: the only one Im interested in mounting is hdd
[06:23] <stdin> Juno: what happens if, in konsole, you type "sudo mount /media/hdd1" ?
[06:23] <dwidmann> Juno: I'm making good progress regarding the opera problem, I should have it solved before long ... it's the downloading that's making this take time.
[06:24] <Juno> stdin: lol... well it mounts it.  i'm freaking stupid
[06:24] <tamacreacker> i give up
[06:24] <tamacreacker> ill figure it out tomorrow
[06:24] <tamacreacker> goodnight
[06:25] <Juno> stdin: should I have write access?
[06:25] <Juno> dwidmann: thank you so much.  I can't live without opera.  firefox just doesnt cut it ;)
[06:25] <stdin> Juno: no, the linux ntfs driver is read-only, you need to follow a different guide for read-write
[06:26] <stdin> Juno: if you add the option "auto" to the end of the options to the partitions, they will mount on boot. So like "defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46,auto"
[06:27] <strayhikari> Hello, how does one change the resolution of kdm?
[06:27] <dwidmann> Juno, my news is both good and bad, the good is that I've got it up and running in my VM, the bad is that I didn't run into your libqt3-mt problem ... I'll hand you what you need to install for a fully functional opera in a sec anyway though
[06:27] <stdin> strayhikari: you have to edit xorg.conf for that
[06:27] <stdin> !xconfig | strayhikari
[06:28] <ubotu> strayhikari: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[06:28] <Juno> what should I be using to edit system files?
[06:28] <dwidmann> Juno: sudo aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-openoffice.org lib32asound2
[06:28] <stdin> Juno: anything really, as long as it's running as root, you can even use kate
[06:29] <Juno> stdin: i tried using kate and got errors in konsole when i tried to save.
[06:29] <dwidmann> Juno: kdesu kate <filename>
[06:29] <stdin> Juno: how did you start kate?
[06:30] <Juno> sudo kate /etc/...
[06:30] <stdin> Juno: for GUI apps, use kdesu
[06:30] <dwidmann> starting graphical apps with sudo generally isn't a good idea (though it may work, it may not work well, or it may hose things for you (the ICEauthority problem is a good example)
[06:31] <stdin> Juno: it may still have saved tho, if kate didn't show a dialogue with an error, it probably worked
[06:31] <kyle__> How do I see the files in root?
[06:31] <stdin> kyle__: in konqueror ?
[06:31] <we6jbo> I have a question
[06:31] <kyle__> i anything lol
[06:32] <Juno> dwidmann: I had all of the packages installed all ready.  what now?
[06:32] <dwidmann> Juno: rats ... libqt-mt.so should be provided by ia32-libs-kde though ...
[06:32] <strayhikari> Does PCI3.0.0 mean AGP?
[06:32] <stdin> kyle__: in konqueror just go to "/"  (you may have to go to View -> Show Hideden Files)
[06:33] <stdin> we6jbo: ask it then :)
[06:33] <we6jbo> How do you find your MAC address?
[06:33] <kyle__> there is now view/show hidden files
[06:34] <stdin> kyle__: in the location bar put "/" (without quotes), then in the View manu, choose "Show Hidden Filees"
[06:34] <stdin> we6jbo: in konsole, type "ifconfig"
[06:35] <dwidmann> Juno: what do you get when you do this in konsole: dpkg -S libqt-mt.so.3
[06:35] <dwidmann> Juno: also try running opera in konsole again and see if you get something different (or not)
[06:36] <stdin> !find libqt-mt.so.3
[06:36] <ubotu> File libqt-mt.so.3 found in libqt3-mt
[06:36] <dwidmann> I already know where it is
[06:36] <dwidmann> and what packages own it, I'm l ooking for something pecuiliar
[06:37] <stdin> ahh :)
[06:37] <dwidmann> FYI, in this case its owned by ia32-libs-kde
[06:38] <dwidmann> The reason this is pecuiliar is that I'm running a very, very fresh Kubuntu Edgy VM and it installed without and ran opera without a hitch.
[06:38] <Juno> dwidmann: I got a "couldnt find package libqt-mt.so"
[06:39] <Juno> and no, I still get the same errors when running opera
[06:39] <kyle__> how do i find where the files in c:/program files/ ?
[06:40] <dwidmann> Juno, it's a file, not a package
[06:40] <dwidmann> another thing, perhaps better to run Juno, is this: sudo update-db && sudo locate libqt-mt.so.3
[06:41] <kyle__> ???
[06:41] <stdin> kyle__: you mean look at your windows partition ?
[06:41] <kyle__> no, i mean find the files installed with WINE
[06:41] <stdin> kyle__: files in wine are stored in ~/.wine/drive_c/
[06:42] <Juno> dwidmann: update-db "command not found"
[06:42] <Juno> dwidmann: im full of problems.  =(
[06:42] <stdin> command is updatedb
[06:42] <dwidmann> nope, that was probably my mistake
[06:43] <dwidmann> I usually use "sudo slocate -u" anyway
[06:43] <Juno> dwidmann: found the files
[06:43] <dwidmann> and they are where, juno
[06:43] <dwidmann> /usr/lib32 I hope
[06:43] <Juno> dwidmann: /usr/lib and /usr/share/qt3/lib
[06:44] <dwidmann> Juno, well, we've found your problem
[06:44] <dwidmann> ia32-libs-kde isn't installed correctly, you're missing files that you desperately need
[06:45] <dwidmann> you need /usr/lib32/libqt-mt.so.3, .3.3, and .3.3.6
[06:45] <dwidmann> try this, sudo aptitude --purge remove ia32-libs-kde, followed by sudo aptitude install ia32-libs-kde
[06:46] <Juno> dwidmann: No candidate version found for ia32-libs-kde
[06:47] <eli>  /msg eliiiiiiii set unfiltered on
[06:47] <dwidmann> Juno, well that's certainly a problem too
[06:47] <dwidmann> What mirror are you using for your apt repositories?
[06:48] <Juno> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <Juno> and security.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <Juno> the default's I'm assuming
[06:48] <dwidmann> try switching that to archive.ubuntu.com, or uk.archive.ubuntu.com, or something like that, updating, and try installing that package again juno
[06:49] <Juno> change, or add?
[06:49] <dwidmann> I've had problems like that with us.archive.ubuntu.com before
[06:49] <dwidmann> change, even if only temporarily
[06:49] <dwidmann> you can change it back later if you feel like it
[06:51] <Juno> same
[06:51] <dwidmann> Ack, that's odd
[06:51] <dwidmann> ia32-libs-kde is essential to get opera working in 64-bit ubuntu
[06:52] <Juno> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/915/
[06:52] <dwidmann> hold on, I'll fetch a download link
[06:52] <Juno> I got that when trying apt-get instead of aptitude
[06:52] <Juno> not sure if that makes any difference or not
[06:53] <dwidmann> Juno, rats, I think I may have figured it out
[06:53] <MobsterLobster> can somebody plz give me the feisty irc link?
[06:53] <dwidmann> I forgot that they had moved ia32-libs-kde to universe
[06:53] <Juno> eh... lol
[06:54] <dwidmann> Juno, do you have the universe repository enabled?
[06:54] <Juno> I do now...
[06:54] <dwidmann> and does it still tell you it can't find ia32-libs-kde?
[06:55] <Juno> should I remove the us. from them also?
[06:56] <Juno> dwidmann: it's downloading! =D
[06:56] <dwidmann> Juno: that's awesome
[06:57] <dwidmann> Juno: you can change it back, that wasn't the problem, the problem is that I forgot they moved ia32-libs-kde to universe in edgy - it was part of main in dapper
[06:57] <dwidmann> that gives me another thing to fix in my script I suppose
[07:01] <Juno> dwidmann: opera runs after I updated the rest of the lib packages, but I get a page of device errors
[07:01] <Juno> should I worry abou tthat?
[07:02] <kyle__> how do i install these god damn drivers arrg@
[07:02] <kyle__> sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.32.5.run does not work
[07:02] <matthew_> !ati
[07:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:02] <noiesmo> kyle__,  maybe try chmod +x ./ati-driver-installer-8.32.5.run then sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8.32.5.run
[07:03] <dwidmann> Juno: show me
[07:03] <dwidmann> pm or pastebin, whichever you prefer
[07:04] <Juno> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/918/
[07:04] <firecrotch> I could use some printer help.  Trying to set up a Dell All-In-One 926 printer
[07:05] <kyle__> grr this is annoying
[07:05] <MobsterLobster> woot now using feisty
[07:05] <matthew_> MobsterLobster, how do you like it?
[07:06] <kyle__> what is feisty?
[07:06] <MobsterLobster> havnt seen much yet but it looks good
[07:06] <stdin> kyle__: you can install the ATI drivers by following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:06] <matthew_> !fiesty
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <matthew_> fiesty is the next version of Ubuntu
[07:06] <MobsterLobster> !feisty
[07:06] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:06] <matthew_> nice one...I'm a bad speller, sometimes.
[07:06] <stdin> MobsterLobster: I've found feisty to be very stable so far, even with beryl :)
[07:06] <kyle__> kubuntu is better right?
[07:07] <firecrotch> Depends on whether you like Gnome or KDE better
[07:07] <MobsterLobster> beryl is my next job
[07:07] <kyle__> gnome
[07:07] <matthew_> kyle__, it's not whether one or the other is better, it's who k/ubuntu is better _for_
[07:07] <firecrotch> Then you don't want Kubuntu
[07:07] <stdin> kyle__: if you ask that in the Kubuntu channel, we're going to say Kubuntu is better :)
[07:07] <dwidmann> Juno: don't worry about those, most of it's pretty irrelevant. The Xorg related ones are due to the wacom devices that kubuntu puts in the xorg.conf by default, the rest I forget what it does.
[07:07] <dwidmann> Juno: glad to see you got it working though :)
[07:07] <firecrotch> kyle__: if you like Gnome better, then use Ubuntu
[07:07] <dwidmann> and sorry I took so long to help :(
[07:07] <kyle__> is fiesty ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:07] <MobsterLobster> stdin are u a developer?
[07:08] <dwidmann> kyle__: both
[07:08] <Juno> dwidmann: the wait is well worth it.  I can FINALLY use linux and enjoy it now.
[07:08] <matthew_> kyle__, feisty is ubuntu. Kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE (all the eyecandy)
[07:08] <kyle__> so is it a upgrade from edge or what?
[07:08] <MobsterLobster> kyle__ its both its the next major release
[07:08] <kyle__> what the hell lol
[07:08] <matthew_> kyle__, feisty is ubuntu. Kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE (all the eyecandy)
[07:08] <Juno> dwidmann: I do have a few more things that I need help with, but that will wait for now.  Thanks for everything.
[07:08] <stdin> MobsterLobster: nope, but I like to test the development version, report bugs, maybe try and fix a couple too :p
[07:08] <kyle__> so freakin confusing
[07:08] <dwidmann> You're welcome juno
[07:09] <firecrotch> stdin: how is feisty so far?
[07:09] <matthew_> kyle__, nah, just different
[07:10] <MobsterLobster> kyle__ ubuntu is a distro of linux. ubuntu uses gnome. kubuntu is the same as ubuntu but without gnome and with KDE
[07:10] <stdin> firecrotch: quite stable, been running for 15 days without a reboot, and the 2.6.20 kernel is faster than the 2.6.17 one :)
[07:10] <MobsterLobster> kyle__ kubuntu = ubuntu + KDE - gnome
[07:10] <Juno> I was told there was an opensource flash driver that worked better than Adobe's?  any truth to that?
[07:10] <jaxon> any difference between having ubuntu installed first then adding kde desktop later and installing kubuntu first then adding gnome desktop after? thanx
[07:10] <matthew_> Juno, haven't heard that
[07:11] <MobsterLobster> i think it would just be your load up screen?
[07:11] <kyle__> So wth is fiesty?
[07:11] <kyle__> the vista of kubuntu and ubuntu?
[07:11] <kyle__> a new version of both?
[07:11] <stdin> Juno: there is an open source flash, but as to if it's better than adobes, probably not, for instance it won't work on flash9 sites
[07:11] <kyle__> or just ubuntu?
[07:11] <jaxon> so the stability of the OS is the same ?
[07:12] <firecrotch> kyle__: you could consider it that (the Vista of Kubuntu and Ubuntu), I guess
[07:12] <stdin> kyle__: feisty is the next version of both ubuntu and kubuntu
[07:12] <kyle__> ok sweet
[07:12] <MobsterLobster> kyle__ feisty is the next ubuntu and kubuntu and edubuntu and xubuntu depending which window manager you use
[07:12] <kyle__> so edgy is being updated basically lol
[07:12] <stdin> kyle__: a new version of *ubuntu is released every 6 months
[07:13] <firecrotch> kyle__: it's constantly in development
[07:13] <dwidmann> I wonder if any interesting developments have happened with feisty since herd 1 (which didn't seem to have any interesting developments)
[07:13] <kyle__> so can i upgrade this kubuntu to this new fiesty?
[07:13] <matthew_> kyle__, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager
[07:13] <dwidmann> kyle__ not til march
[07:13] <matthew_> kyle__,  you could, but it's still alpha...whole lotta bugs
[07:13] <firecrotch> kyle__: You can... but I wouldn't if I were you
[07:14] <kyle__> ok so when it is stable i can upgrade easily?
[07:14] <kyle__> but for now its for you guys :-p
[07:14] <matthew_> kyle__, hopefully
[07:14] <stdin> kyle__: you could, but I wouldn't reccommend you do unless you know what you are doing, and don't mind it being unstable
[07:14] <dwidmann> kyle__ like I said, March
[07:14] <firecrotch> kyle__: yeah, it's easy to do when it's stable
[07:15] <kyle__> ok cool
[07:15] <stdin> dwidmann: feisty is out in April, not March
[07:15] <dwidmann> Oopsies
[07:15] <kyle__> what is the best way to learn more about linux? like i want to get good at using kubuntu
[07:15] <stdin> 110th April 2007 to be exact (if it isn't delayed)
[07:15] <dwidmann> stdin: I must need more caffeine
[07:15] <firecrotch> stdin: it should at least be stable enough by March though :)
[07:15] <stdin> 11th April 2007 to be exact (if it isn't delayed)
[07:15] <dwidmann> I doubt it will be delayed out of april ... it's not like it's an lts release or anything
[07:16] <stdin> firecrotch: you never know with a development version, it's quite stable now, but any update can change that
[07:16] <kyle__> lol firecrotch lol
[07:16] <Juno> sorry to bother again, but how do I force an install on 64bit again?
[07:16] <dwidmann> kyle__: that's what I thought
[07:16] <angasule> they should release april 1st, that would cause a lot of trouble, I'm sure :)
[07:17] <dwidmann> Juno: sudo dpkg --install --force-architecture <packagename>
[07:17] <Juno> what if it isnt a package?
[07:17] <kyle__> did anyone answer my question up top
[07:17] <dwidmann> What is it then?
[07:17] <Juno> flash =D
[07:17] <kyle__> about how to learn to use kubuntu and linux better?
[07:17] <dwidmann> Juno: You'll need to use a 32-bit browser to use flash, fortunately, opera is
[07:18] <dwidmann> Juno: my script is begging to be tried, it has a flash installer in it too, give it a whirl for me if you don't mind :D
[07:18] <Juno> sure thing!
[07:18] <firecrotch> Does anyone have any thoughts on getting a Dell printer working?
[07:19] <firecrotch> It's a Dell All-in-One 926
[07:19] <dwidmann> firecrotch, I  have thoughts on it, like the though of banging  my head against hard objects
[07:19] <Juno> dwidmann: do ou have a link to the script?
[07:19] <dwidmann> s/though/thought
[07:19] <dwidmann> Juno, one sec
[07:19] <stdin> firecrotch: don't know, but have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers
[07:19] <kyle__> woah wth, i clicked on ati control center and it logged me out or something...wth?
[07:20] <fxr> right happy days, ve got xgl working on my ati card.. but now firefox crashes every 2 minutes or so.. can this be related??
[07:20] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks
[07:20] <stdin> :)
[07:20] <dwidmann> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330684 @ Juno
[07:21] <firecrotch> Ah, it seems that the printer is just a rebranded Lexmark
[07:21] <dwidmann> egads, even worse
[07:21] <stdin> firecrotch: all dell printers are
[07:21] <kyle__> anyone willing to PM me and help me out 1 on 1? all this text is killing my brain :(?
[07:21] <matthew_> kyle__, what are you having problems with?
[07:22] <kyle__> getting these ati drivers to work
[07:22] <matthew_> kyle__, sorry, I'm no help...
[07:22] <Juno> dwidmann: the flash plugin will install for opera?
[07:22] <Juno> dwidmann: (with your script)
[07:22] <dwidmann> the ubuntuforums gets questions about getting ati cards working more than constantly ... I'd check there
[07:23] <dwidmann> Juno: yup ... it'll check for the directory /usr/lib/opera/plugins, and if it exists, put libflashplayer.so there
[07:23] <Juno> wonderful
[07:23] <dwidmann> Granted, I've not thoroughly tested the script since the big re-write
[07:23] <Juno> do you have to install the programs one at a time, or can you put in multiple numbers?
[07:23] <kyle__> is fglrx what i want for my video card?
[07:23] <dwidmann> Juno: one at a time for now, I'll change it to multiple later, perhpas
[07:23] <dwidmann> *perhaps
[07:24] <Juno> well thats my first suggestion so far ;)
[07:24] <stdin> kyle__: if it's an ATI card, then yes
[07:24] <kyle__> yes stdin, its a x800xt all-in-wonder
[07:24] <kyle__> i have the drivers and the control panel installed, but i cannot get my rez above 800x600!
[07:25] <stdin> kyle__: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" and change the resolution there
[07:25] <Juno> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/920/
[07:25] <kyle__> what do i put that into stdin? terminal?
[07:26] <dwidmann> hmm, lets see if something went wrong then Juno :\
[07:26] <stdin> kyle__: yes, you'll have to restart the X sever again after you do that
[07:26] <kyle__> k so thats why i crashed before? lol
[07:26] <dwidmann> Yep, looks like one of the results of rewriting it Juno, I'll have it fixed and up in no time
[07:27] <kyle__> xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been
[07:27] <kyle__>    customized
[07:27] <kyle__> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[07:27] <kyle__>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20070109012659
[07:27] <Juno> dwidmann: got another error with sun java =\
[07:27] <kyle__> does that mean i messed it up?
[07:27] <stdin> argg :p
[07:27] <kyle__> or just that it made a backup of my original config?
[07:28] <dwidmann> Juno: I rewrote it the other day, it's still hurting for testing, and I don't have the bandwidth to test all of it myself, pastebin the error for java too for me if you don't mind
[07:28] <dwidmann> I've already fixed the flash error
[07:28] <Jucato> kyle__: just meant that it was backed up
[07:28] <kyle__> ok im gonna reload now, can i just end the session and start a new one?
[07:28] <kyle__> or will i have to completly restart?
[07:28] <Juno> dwidmann: in the process of it.  and with as much as you helped me I'll be more than happy to donate my bandwidth ;)
[07:28] <Jucato> kyle__: you just need to restart X
[07:28] <stdin> kyle__: did it do anything else after that message?
[07:29] <kyle__> no
[07:29] <kyle__> that was the post message
[07:29] <stdin> then it didn't change anything
[07:29] <kyle__> i was in a blue screen and picked ati, then 1280x1024
[07:29] <kyle__> then hit ok and that came up
[07:29] <Jucato> stdin: huh?
[07:29] <stdin> kyle__: that's what I meant
[07:29] <kyle__> oh, you said after
[07:29] <kyle__> not before
[07:29] <kyle__> thats what i did before the postmessage
[07:29] <stdin> ahh, whatever :p
[07:30] <kyle__> how do i reload x server?
[07:30] <Jucato> stdin: <kyle__>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20070109012659 <--- looks like it did change
[07:30] <stdin> kyle__: then it workd
[07:30] <dwidmann> Juno, thanks, I've rebuilt it, and I suppose it wouldn't hurt to upload now that I've fixed the flash issue, as well as several others
[07:30] <stdin> kyle__: logout, then press Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace
[07:31] <stdin> Jucato: I thought that was the only thing that got displayed, didn't know that it was shown after the menu
[07:31] <Jucato> ah
[07:31] <dwidmann> Juno: anyhow, the sun java related error would be nice ... so I could fix it that is.
[07:32] <Juno> ubuntu says I'm trying to spam the paste system.  =\  I got a few errors with WINE also.  not sure if they're serious though.  it didnt crash.
[07:32] <kyle__> getting somewhere, lol, got it to 1024x768 now lol
[07:32] <aakarsh> hi
[07:32] <stdin> :)
[07:32] <dwidmann> Juno: I got that message not long ago too, it was sooooooo annoying
[07:32] <aakarsh> i just installed ubuntu edgy
[07:32] <aakarsh> cant  log in as root
[07:33] <aakarsh> i am a noob . does the install create  a root account
[07:33] <Jucato> !sudo | aakarsh
[07:33] <ubotu> aakarsh: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:33] <dwidmann> Juno, rather than pastebinning them, since it doesn't seem to like you, you could just pm it to me
[07:33] <stdin> aakarsh: you don't login as root
[07:33] <Jucato> aakarsh: root account is disabled in Kubuntu
[07:33] <aakarsh> really ! ok
[07:33] <aakarsh> thanks
[07:34] <stdin> aakarsh: sudo is more secure than a root account, that why Kubuntu (and all other Ubuntu variants) uses it
[07:35] <aakarsh> thanks , was a little suprised am reading about it thanks for the link
[07:38] <kyle__> god damnit
[07:39] <fierce> Is there another Audio cutting/editing program other than Audacity?  this thing fails it bigtime
[07:39] <kyle__> i changed something and its back to 640x480 lol
[07:39] <fierce> keeps telling me it cant initialize my audio device, yet the audio is just fine
[07:39] <kyle__> stdin what driver would be best for my ati all-in-wonder x800xt?
[07:40] <stdin> fierce: I has that problem, I had to run "sudo killall atrs" for audacity to work, it may work for you
[07:40] <fierce> stdin: i will try that, thank you
[07:40] <stdin> kyle__: there is only 1 ATI binary driver, the fglrx one
[07:40] <kyle__> ok and what do i set it to in the monitor and properties thing?
[07:41] <fierce> stdin: wow, its still doing it
[07:41] <fierce> this is awful
[07:41] <kyle__> i goto hardware and click configure and theres a whole list of crap
[07:41] <stdin> fierce: you could try jokosher, but is still under development
[07:42] <fierce> cool., i will look into that, thanks
[07:43] <stdin> !jokosher
[07:43] <ubotu> jokosher: simple and easy to use audio multi-tracker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 605 kB, installed size 1676 kB
[07:43] <fierce> sounds good
[07:43] <kyle__> stdin why is it only showing 800x600 in the control panel thing?
[07:44] <stdin> it's the one jono bacon and all the others on LugRadio keep banging on about
[07:44] <stdin> kyle__: you may have to change it again with the dpkg-reconfigure command
[07:44] <kyle__> why wont it just automatically do that in here?
[07:46] <stdin> I'm not a developer, I don't know
[07:46] <kyle__> how u know that command though?
[07:46] <kyle__> if they got a command for it in the terminal dont you think it woulda work in gui too? lol its wierd
[07:47] <stdin> kyle__: that command just reconfigures the xorg.conf file, I know it because I've used it to fix my X server before
[07:47] <kyle__> k brb
[07:50] <kyle__> why in the hell wont this thing go past 1024?
[07:50] <Juno-brb> dwidmann:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/921/
[07:51] <Juno-brb> dwidmann: errors from java and WINE
[07:51] <Juno-sleeps> dwidmann: thanks again for all the help.
[07:51] <stdin> kyle__: I don't have an ATI card, so I don't know
[07:51] <dwidmann> thanks Juno-sleeps, good night
[07:52] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: what card do you hvae?
[07:53] <kyle__> Ati All-in-wonder Radeon X800XT
[07:54] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: is it pci-e?
[07:54] <kyle__> no, agp
[07:54] <kyle__> 8x
[07:54] <Juno-sleeps> you might try this... its what I had to do
[07:54] <dwidmann> juno-sleeps, java issue fixed, now for the other
[07:55] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: k-menu - system settings
[07:55] <kyle__> ?
[07:55] <kyle__> and?
[07:55] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: go into administrator mode
[07:55] <ramanuj> i have downloaded few gdm themes but i dont know how to install
[07:55] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: then click hardware
[07:55] <ramanuj> in other linux like mandriva there was explicit option for changing theme but here
[07:55] <ramanuj> nothing
[07:56] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: it should have your graphics card and monitor there.  click configure to the right
[07:56] <ramanuj> i think ubuntu should provide more system administration tools
[07:56] <stdin> ramanuj: gdm themes are for ubuntu, not kubuntu
[07:56] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: in the box that opens, scroll through the manufacturors drivers
[07:56] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: find "ATI Radeon (fglrx)"
[07:56] <kyle__> thats what its already set to
[07:56] <ramanuj> yes man i tried on ubuntu only i just asked here b`cas i thought that any oone can help
[07:57] <dwidmann> Juno-sleeps: question, regarding wine, do you have a directory "c" in your home folder now?
[07:57] <Juno-sleeps> dwidmann: I do now
[07:57] <dwidmann> awesome, it seems it went without a hitch then
[07:57] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: thats the one you selected?
[07:57] <kyle__> yah i already set it to that
[07:57] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: did you do the same with your monitor?  choose the specific manufacturor and model?
[07:57] <kyle__> still not getting more then 1024x768
[07:57] <kyle__> monitor is generic
[07:58] <Juno-sleeps> kyle__: look on the back of your monitor and get the make/model
[07:58] <Juno-sleeps> and look for it just like you did with the ATI driver
[07:58] <kyle__> its a generic daewoo monitor
[07:58] <kyle__> doesnt even say daewoo on it
[07:58] <kyle__> and it autodetects it as generic
[07:58] <Juno-sleeps> what size is it?
[07:59] <kyle__> 17
[07:59] <kyle__> got it
[07:59] <kyle__> set it to generic 1280x1024 74hz
[07:59] <strayhikari> Anyone up for helping a noob get mp3s/restricted file formats working? The wiki seems to be out of date, the package libxine-extracodecs seems to be out of date
[07:59] <kyle__> brb
[08:00] <avalon>  Hey.. I just ran rkhunter and got this msg /dev/.tmp-22-0 (block special (22/0))  /dev/.static (directory)  /dev/.udev (directory)  /dev/.initramfs (directory)  /etc/.java (directory)... do I have a problem?
[08:00] <vulcanius> stray: go check out automatix or easyubuntu
[08:01] <Juno-sleeps> dwidmann: it didnt install anything besides a common files under Program files.  should there be more?
[08:01] <stdin> strayhikari: the package libxine-extracodecs works fine with mp3s
[08:01] <stdin> and automatix can cause major problems later
[08:01] <dwidmann> Juno-sleeps: I don't think so
[08:02] <kyle__> lol woot
[08:02] <kyle__> i did it! lol
[08:02] <strayhikari> stdin: let me give you teh error it gives me
[08:02] <Juno-sleeps>   /shrug.  tried to help
[08:02] <Juno-sleeps> my monitor had a driver for it, and after that it runs perfectly
[08:02] <stdin> strayhikari: ok
[08:02] <strayhikari> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:02] <strayhikari> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:02] <strayhikari> is only available from another source
[08:02] <strayhikari> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[08:03] <strayhikari> That is the tail of it
[08:03] <dwidmann> Juno-sleeps: the part that was throwing you lots of info in the wine install process was when simple64 ran a script called sidenet to configure wine ... the reason for the "errors" was that I ran it with kdesu -u yourusername
[08:03] <stdin> strayhikari: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[08:04] <stdin> !repos
[08:04] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:04] <kyle__> why does linux start up so much faster then windows
[08:04] <Juno-sleeps> dwidmann: mk.  I'll run through it all again later
[08:04] <stdin> kyle__: because it's better than windows :p
[08:04] <dwidmann> kyle__ I'm used to hearing the opposite, nice to hear that it starts up faster for you
[08:05] <Juno-sleeps> I was just going to say mine loads slower...
[08:05] <kyle__> my windows takes like 2 minutes for the icons to show and such lol
[08:05] <kyle__> this thing i can click login and see everything and run something right off the bat
[08:05] <stdin> dwidmann: my XP machine (which is more powerful than this one) take at least 2-3 times longer to boot than this one
[08:06] <stdin> dwidmann: and that's just getting tot he windows login screen
[08:06] <dwidmann> I think it takes mine about a minute, perhaps only 50s, to get to my desktop and such, though, it's about 10 more or so til I have all of my things loaded. I'd say things are probably a bit slower with winxp, once you figure in loading all of the programs and such.
[08:07] <kyle__> damn i guess my comp loves linus lol
[08:07] <kyle__> its almost instant for me
[08:07] <dwidmann> stdin: with the proper tweaks I can get winxp up and going on this machine in ~30s, most likely, but I've no reason to pay for a windows license.
[08:07] <stdin> I have this system loaded in 90seconds from cold boot to logged in and cpu drops to ~0%
[08:08] <stdin> and that's after the POST checks the RAM (which takes about 20-30 seconds)
[08:09] <stdin> ok, so not 30, but 20 yes
[08:09] <dwidmann> my bootchart is quite a bit slower than it used to be ... 25s instead of 18 :(
[08:09] <MobsterLobster> how do i check wich kernal im usingt?
[08:09] <dwidmann> uname -a
[08:09] <stdin> MobsterLobster: uname -r
[08:10] <Jucato> uname -r
[08:10] <MobsterLobster> thx
[08:10] <kyle__> my comp is old but still kickin, lol
[08:10] <MobsterLobster> and how do i check which version of ubuntu im using?
[08:11] <stdin> lsb_release -r
[08:11] <avalon> How can I have the safest ubuntu server aside from having firestarter, rkhunter, and clam going?
[08:11] <stdin> or lsb_release -d to get the name
[08:11] <dwidmann> firestarter is just a gui to configure iptables, last I heard
[08:11] <kyle__> P4 2.8ghz with HT, 2 gigs of ddr ram, MSI 848P Neo board and a ATI X800xt
[08:12] <stdin> avalon: seems secure with just that, not that you even need clamav
[08:12] <avalon> doesn't it just make iptables more user friendly?
[08:12] <stdin> avalon: that's firestarter
[08:12] <dwidmann> with regards to clamav, unless it's a mail server, or something, not really needed
[08:13] <avalon> I'm kinda freaking out about security since I just ran rkhunter and it spat out something I've never seen before
[08:13] <dwidmann> avalon, check that they aren't false positives, I'm sure google knows
[08:13] <stdin> avalon: what did it say, it's unlikely it actually found a rootkit
[08:16] <avalon> It said to inspect those directories
[08:16] <avalon> It found "hidden files" in those dirs
[08:17] <stdin> if it was like /etc/.java , don't worry
[08:17] <stdin> don't mean you have a rootkit
[08:18] <avalon> Okay thanks.. that puts my mind at ease
[08:18] <stdin> rootkits are *extremely* rare
[08:18] <avalon> Just convinced my boss to swap from winblowz to linux.. I'd hate to have to report problems already
[08:19] <kyle__> anyone use XFIRE on linus?!
[08:19] <vulcanius> avalon: you convinced your boss at 2:20 in the morning?
[08:19] <stdin> heh, it's 07:19 here
[08:19] <Lynoure> kyle__: Linus is the guy, Linux is the operating system :)
[08:19] <kyle__> omg that reminds me of some dude
[08:20] <kyle__> my mom works with this dude his name is linux
[08:20] <avalon> LOL no vulcanius.. yesterday afternoon at our cost efficiency meeting
[08:20] <kyle__> or something lol
[08:20] <vulcanius> lol
[08:20] <vulcanius> i was about to call into question your work "relationship" with your boss
[08:20] <avalon> I explained to him it was more secure and efficient to use Linux
[08:20] <avalon> ;) 75 year old penny pinchers aren't my thing
[08:21] <fxr> how come i get this "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0" in a xgl session but not in my kde session? when i run flgrxinfo
[08:23] <kyle__> so anyone use Xfire with linux?
[08:23] <fxr> my flgrx driver works ok in kde but not xgl.. why why why why...?
[08:24] <stdin> fxr: you may find better help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:25] <fxr> k cheers fella
[08:25] <strayhikari> stdin: you up for another question?
[08:25] <stdin> strayhikari: depends on the question :p
[08:26] <stdin> fxr: no problem
[08:26] <strayhikari> stdin: ok, got libxine codecs installed ok, but am getting no sound, lspci sees the device, and lsmod shows that several sound modules have been install, under the sound settings it is set to autodetect (rather than alsa/oss) all cables are plugged in ok, any ideas?
[08:27] <stdin> strayhikari: you get any other sounds, or non at all ?
[08:27] <strayhikari> stdin: none at all
[08:28] <stdin> strayhikari: have you made sure it's not muted in kmix ?
[08:28] <kyle__> man this sucks, cant make xfire work for linux
[08:28] <stdin> kyle__: what is xfire ?
[08:28] <strayhikari> stdin: checked it, but I'll check again, new to kde may have missed something
[08:28] <stdin> !sound
[08:28] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:28] <kyle__> xfire is a program people use in games to talk to people ingame
[08:28] <kyle__> !xfire
[08:28] <kyle__> lol
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <stdin> strayhikari: some links there to check out
[08:29] <kyle__> its basically aim for in game
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:29] <strayhikari> stdin: wasn't muted that woudl have been a nice fix :( everything seems to be setup right, arg
[08:29] <stdin> kyle__: is it a linux app, or are you using it under wine?
[08:29] <kyle__> wine
[08:29] <kyle__> xfire is a widows app
[08:29] <kyle__> it keeps crashing when it loads up though
[08:30] <stdin> kyle__: then it may just not work with wine
[08:30] <stdin> kyle__: what version of wine are you using ?
[08:31] <kyle__> the newest
[08:31] <kyle__> straight from the repository remember?
[08:31] <kyle__> like hours ago that was my first problem lol
[08:31] <notech> games are best played on the OS they were designed for :)
[08:32] <stdin> kyle__: wine is strange because something will work in one version, and not another, even if it's a newer version
[08:33] <kyle__> i looked up xfire on wine and found it, but it dont say if the damn thing works or not
[08:33] <kyle__> of i found the wrong link?
[08:33] <firecrotch> Trying to install a package, but I keep getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/923/
[08:34] <firecrotch> I can't figure out what's using /var/lib/dpkg/
[08:35] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea why knetworkmanager can't connect to a infra wifi network while the wireless assistant is able to only via manual ip config?  i'm using kubuntu 6.10
[08:35] <dwidmann> !adeptfix | firecrotch
[08:35] <ubotu> firecrotch: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[08:36] <firecrotch> dwidmann: thanks
[08:37] <dwidmann> you're welcome firecrotch
[08:38] <stdin> kyle__: what version of xfire is it?
[08:39] <emss> Hello, I installed Ubuntu 6.10 then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop but would like to revert back to Ubuntu/GNOME, how to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[08:40] <firecrotch> dwidman: didn't work
[08:40] <dwidmann> emss: if you installed kubuntu-desktop with aptitude, it should be as easy as removing the kubuntu-desktop package, else, it will take more effort
[08:41] <dwidmann> firecrotch: well, the coveted last resort is to reboot
[08:41] <stdin> emss: try "apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" then "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[08:41] <stdin> works 6.10 and up
[08:41] <kyle__> xfire_installer_23928.exe
[08:41] <firecrotch> dwidmann: tried rebooting already
[08:41] <emss> wth is there apt-get if you should use aptitude?
[08:41] <dwidmann> firecrotch, well, there's an oops, try deleting the lock file
[08:42] <stdin> emss: aptitude is a frontend to apt-get, just use the commands I showed
[08:44] <emss> stdin: that doesn't remove the kde packages
[08:44] <stdin> emss: yes, it should remove all the KDE packages
[08:44] <firecrotch> stdin: kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package; removing it does noting
[08:44] <firecrotch> *nothing
[08:44] <emss> The following packages will be REMOVED:  debhelper dpatch html2text
[08:44] <emss> that's it
[08:45] <stdin> firecrotch: that's what autoremove dose tho
[08:45] <firecrotch> Ah, I missed that in your original message
[08:45] <stdin> emss: you removed kubuntu-desktop, then ran  "sudo apt-get autoremove" ?
[08:45] <emss> stdin: yes
[08:46] <Jucato> ouch..
[08:46] <emss> this is ubuntu 6.10
[08:46] <kyle__> can't believe no xfire for linux! :(
[08:46] <stdin> huh, worked when I removed ubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <emss> stdin: I love how apt-get autoremove isn't documented
[08:46] <Jucato> stdin: on Edgy?
[08:46] <emss> kyle__: there is a gaim plugin for xfire
[08:47] <Jucato> there must be a way to turn apt-get's autoremove off...
[08:47] <stdin> Jucato: I was at the time, but I'm on feisty now
[08:47] <kyle__> yah i dont use gaim
[08:47] <kyle__> and the plugin is broken basically
[08:47] <emss> kyle__: try using wine for xfire?
[08:47] <kyle__> i did, it crashes after it loads
[08:47] <emss> try cedega
[08:47] <emss> I'm sure xfire runs in cedega since that's for gamers
[08:49] <emss> so this sucks
[08:49] <emss> well maybe not
[08:50] <kyle__> lol im not paying for that cedega crap lol
[08:50] <dwidmann> Hmm, I wonder why ubuntu's default grub isn't using UUID now, seeing as they're using it in the fstab ... might as well go the full nine yards if they're going to head in that direction.
[08:50] <emss> kyle__: cvs is free
[08:51] <Jucato> Cedega CVS is free
[08:51] <Jucato> but you'd have to compile it..
[08:51] <kyle__> eek!
[08:51] <emss> kyle__: it's not hard
[08:51] <Jucato> dwidmann: it uses UUID afaik
[08:51] <dwidmann> No, I don't think so Jucato
[08:51] <kyle__> would u help me?
[08:52] <Jucato> oh yeah...
[08:52] <emss> I think there are intructions on the cedega cvs site
[08:52] <dwidmann> Jucato: otherwise when my device nodes got rearranged when I played with things + put in a new drive, it wouldn't have had problems
[08:52] <stdin> grub doesn't use UUID or /dev/hd?, that's used my the initrd image
[08:52] <stdin> all grub uses hd(0,0)
[08:52] <dwidmann> stdin: you can use UUID in the menu.lst
[08:52] <dwidmann> not for the root, but for the list entries
[08:53] <emss> why is fstab using  UUID now?
[08:53] <stdin> Delphinus: yes, but grub itself doesn't use them, it's passed to the init system
[08:53] <kyle__> the download is called winex?
[08:54] <dwidmann> example: kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=UUID=69ecac1d-8c42-4b7f-950e-b9bf2f2ce282 ro quiet splash
[08:54] <Jucato> !uuid | emss
[08:54] <ubotu> emss: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[08:54] <edgy> Hi, I had a presentation and I want the points on my slide to drop in one by one on click, how can I do this please?
[08:54] <edgy> I am using OOo
[08:55] <Jucato> !upgrade > Jucato
[08:55] <stdin> dwidmann: grub only uses /vmlinuz-2.6.X-X... the rest is kernel options, not grub
[08:56] <dwidmann> true enough, but I'm wonderingw hy it doesn't use that ... seeing as it can. It decided to rearrange my device nodes when I put in a new one, my /dev/sda became /dev/sdc, and the new drive became /dev/sda
[08:56] <dwidmann> and then I got to moan when it decided it didn't feel like booting.
[08:57] <mortici> does anyone have the original power.sh script in acpi they can give me?
[08:57] <mortici> err or rather send me
[08:57] <dwidmann> stdin, do you see where I'm coming from (yet)?
[08:58] <mortici> anyone?
[08:58] <stdin> dwidmann: why can't you use "root UUID=8LaH....." ?
[08:59] <dwidmann> I can, I'm just wondering why the installer didn't set it up that way to begin with, is all.
[08:59] <dwidmann> if they're going to do it with fstab, might as well use the same rationale across the board is what I'm saying.
[09:00] <mortici> thank you stdin
[09:00] <stdin> dwidmann: no I mean the grub option, before kernel /vmlinux...
[09:00] <stdin> mortici:  :)
[09:01] <BCMM> hello. I noticed that kubuntu's default konqueror setup has a nice search box for filtering folders for files containing a string (same place the search box for web search is in web page view)
[09:01] <BCMM> is there a way to enable it for other distros?
[09:02] <dwidmann> I have it set up somewhere in the default options now, but what I'm questioning is why I needed to do it by myself to begin with
[09:02] <fxr> is there a channel for beryl?
[09:02] <Jucato> !beryl | fxr
[09:02] <ubotu> fxr: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[09:02] <BCMM> fxr: #beryl
[09:03] <fxr> ahh thats it thanks..
[09:03] <dwidmann> Yes, sure, I'm capable of fixing things by myself, but someone with less experience could have been left with the fun of having an unbootable system.
[09:03] <Jucato> BCMM: you'd have to ask in that distro's channel. but basically it involves the Directory Filter plugin from konq-plugins
[09:03] <karmikaze> who knows where gnome sticky notes saves to???
[09:03] <stdin> dwidmann: make a bug for it, or a wish bug anyway
[09:03] <BCMM> Jucato: ok
[09:04] <stdin> karmikaze: if it's a gnome app, ask in #ubuntu
[09:04] <kyle__> why the hell does my windows keep disappearing?
[09:05] <dwidmann> stdin, hmm, I think I will, perhaps
[09:05] <stdin> dwidmann: It could be that no one has thought of that situation yet
[09:05] <BCMM> Jucato: is that plugin for the filter on the view menu, or the search bar in the top right?
[09:06] <Jucato> BCMM: the search bar and the Tools menu
[09:07] <mortici> how can i check my proc speed?
[09:08] <MobsterLobster> how do i get the latest KDE?
[09:08] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: are you using Edgy?
[09:08] <emss> the kde packages don't use debtags?
[09:08] <MobsterLobster> feisty
[09:09] <BCMM> Jucato: that is odd as i already have one but not the other...
[09:09] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: then you certainly have the latest KDE
[09:09] <kyle__> well im off to bed guys
[09:09] <kyle__> goodnight
[09:09] <kyle__> thanks for the help
[09:09] <Jucato> BCMM: which one don't you have?
[09:09] <MobsterLobster> ok thx
[09:10] <MobsterLobster> Jucato how do i choose which a theme in KDE?
[09:11] <Jucato> !changethemes | MobsterLobster
[09:11] <ubotu> MobsterLobster: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[09:12] <stdin> mortici: your CPU speed?
[09:13] <mortici> stdin, i got it already :)
[09:13] <stdin> ok :)
[09:13] <darty_> all are you french?
[09:13] <geoffb> bonjour!
[09:13] <darty_> bonjour
[09:14] <stdin> why would we all be french ?
[09:14] <darty_> je comprend rien a linux tu ne ser pas ou je pour aprendre?stp
[09:14] <stdin> !fr
[09:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:14] <Jucato> !fr | darty_
[09:14] <ubotu> darty_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:14] <Jucato> rawr
[09:14] <stdin> quick fingers :p
[09:14] <darty_> merci
[09:14] <stdin> :)
[09:18] <mortici> wow wtf, with 1gb of ram i have 100mb free :/
[09:18] <mortici> wth
[09:18] <stdin> mortici: but how much is cache ?
[09:19] <mortici> disk cache is 40%
[09:19] <mortici> disk buffers is 18% and app data is 30%
[09:19] <stdin> mortici: it's normal for ram to be at ~90% at all times, it's mostly just the cache
[09:19] <mortici> ahh ok :)
[09:20] <stdin> mortici: as the system needs more memory, the amount dedicated to cache will decrees freeing memory for apps
[09:20] <mortici> coolios :)
[09:21] <Jucato> !memory
[09:21] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[09:22] <stdin> ooh, didn't know ubotu had a link :p
[09:22] <Jucato> :P
[09:22] <mortici> thats hot
[09:22] <mortici> :)
[09:23] <kyle__> one last question!
[09:23] <kyle__> why cant i get out of my damn screensaver!
[09:24] <kyle__> i have to ctrl,alt,backspace outta session! lol
[09:25] <mortici> does ubotu respond to actions taken by ppl in channel?
[09:26] <Jucato> mortici: yes, with ! usually, but...
[09:26] <Jucato> !botabuse
[09:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:27] <mortici> i see
[09:28] <rjian> Jucato: can i have the links?
[09:28] <Jucato> !upgrade | rjian
[09:28] <ubotu> rjian: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:28] <Jucato> !register > Jucato
[09:29] <farkr> whats the minimum size i should make my / partition for kubuntu if i have /home on its own partition?
[09:29] <solemnwa1ning> How can I disable automount?
[09:29] <solemnwa1ning> farkr: 2GB should do
[09:29] <farkr> so i can install all the apps i want from the repositories and not worry about running out of space
[09:29] <solemnwa1ning> Maybe 3
[09:29] <Jucato> farkr: imo, 8GB is normal
[09:30] <Jucato> actually, it's plenty
[09:30] <Jucato> solemnwa1ning: hm... 3GB?
[09:30] <Jucato> netinstall
[09:30] <Jucato> ??
[09:30] <farkr> im surprised linux apps take less space overall than windows since they have source code + binary
[09:30] <solemnwa1ning> Yeah
[09:30] <farkr> well just binary usually from packages
[09:31] <Jucato> farkr: because in Debian-based systems, you no longer compile the source code
[09:31] <Jucato> so you usually only have binary, no source code/build code
[09:31] <solemnwa1ning> Depends on what you want really
[09:31] <stdin> well a linux app is made to do one thing, very well, and work with others. A windows app has to do everything
[09:31] <Jucato> if you like compiling a lot, the 8GB is definitely a good normal size
[09:32] <solemnwa1ning> My boxes have custom kernels, and my PC has a bunch of custom libs and bins
[09:32] <farkr> i have 100gb harddrive and 768mb ram. doing a dual boot, does this looks good:  windows/ntfs=20gb, / = 8gb, swap = 1gb, /home = 70gb, fat32 = 1gb
[09:33] <root_> !install
[09:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:33] <root_> !upgrade
[09:33] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:33] <solemnwa1ning> farkr: Except for the NTFS and fat FS, sure
[09:33] <farkr> how come
[09:33] <solemnwa1ning> Because those filesystems are crap
[09:34] <Jucato> :)
[09:34] <farkr> i need windows installed for photoshop and i need fat32 for an extra backup dir for text files and a few audio
[09:34] <Jucato> solemnwa1ning: except if you need XP
[09:34] <stdin> vmware/qemu ?
[09:34] <mortici> is there anyway to not make amarok load whenever i click on an mp3?
[09:35] <mortici> i mean like when its already running
[09:35] <root_> !install
[09:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:35] <Jucato> stdin: if you have the resources...
[09:35] <root_> !upgrade
[09:35] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:35] <Jucato> !upgrade | root_
[09:35] <ubotu> root_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:36] <Jucato> stdin: for somethings that you might need Windows for (Games, specially), vmware won't be able to do it
[09:37] <stdin> was just a suggestion, I don't use windows, not even in vmware, so I don't know :p
[09:37] <farkr> photoshop is slow as it is i'm not runnin it in vmware :P
[09:38] <farkr> wish i didnt need windows at all, even 5% usage is too much
[09:38] <Jucato> stdin: hehe basically, anything that needs 3D hardware acceleration in Windows won't run on vmware/qemu
[09:38] <Jucato> start using the GIMP or Krita :P
[09:39] <farkr> i use gimp but if you're a power editor , gimp is pretty much not gonna cut it. all the training for digital imaging is geared toward photoshop
[09:39] <farkr> ie all the pros use photoshop
[09:39] <farkr> hopefully that will change
[09:40] <Lynoure> farkr: Most pros I know haven't gotten any official training in image manipulation.
[09:40] <stdin> mortici: try this, in konqueror, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations, choose audio, mp3, then change what you want it to start with
[09:40] <farkr> but they are self taught through tutorials and those are almost always geared toward photoshop
[09:40] <farkr> i wonder if gimp even has curves. if it does then it stands a chance
[09:41] <Lynoure> farkr: yes, under tools->color tools
[09:41] <farkr> cool
[09:41] <farkr> im sure ill slowly but surely make the transition to gimp
[09:41] <Jucato> also try out Krita
[09:41] <farkr> but i have years worth of photoshop specific shortcuts memorized and ready to be applied like clockwork, thats the hardest part
[09:42] <chuen> Hi. I'm having trouble with printer drivers:
[09:42] <farkr> those shortcuts just dont apply to gimp :(
[09:42] <Jucato> hm... remap GIMP's/Krita's shortcuts?
[09:42] <chuen> When I select the correct one, I get the error "unable to creat foomatic driver...
[09:42] <chuen> driver does not exist or you don't have permissions..."
[09:42] <farkr> jucato maybe but ill just have to try and see
[09:43] <Lynoure> farkr: there is also something to make Gimp be moro photoshop-like in interface, but I cannot remember details as I have never used Photoshop much
[09:43] <Jucato> farkr: you can't expect apps you used in Windows to behave 100% exactly like <insert your winapp here>. Like everything else, there's a period and process of adjustment
[09:43] <StingRay> Hi, stdin.
[09:43] <farkr> i certainly would rather use gimp, i dont like adobe at all they're very annoying
[09:43] <farkr> jucato but photoshop isnt just a normal app, its HUGE
[09:43] <Lynoure> s/moro/more
[09:43] <stdin> hi, StingRay :)
[09:43] <farkr> it's like as large as an operating s ystem :P
[09:43] <StingRay> chuen, check for a ppd with the printer name in /etc/cups/ppd
[09:43] <farkr> once you get to the advanced level with it anyway
[09:44] <chuen> thx Stingray
[09:44] <Jucato> people, after some time, rely too heavily on the tools they use...
[09:44] <farkr> not to mention illustrator, which i use interchangably and is also huge and i know linux doesnt have anythin that can rival illustrator :(
[09:44] <emss> none of the streams in amarok play
[09:44] <Jucato> Xara Xtreme?
[09:44] <farkr> for vector graphics/graphic design
[09:44] <emss> what amarok-engine should I use
[09:44] <emss> amarok-xine doesn't work
[09:44] <Jucato> emss: Amarok only works with xine right now, afaik
[09:44] <Jucato> emss: you also need the proper codecs installed
[09:45] <emss> where/how do I install those?
[09:45] <farkr> its not to say they're not nice apps but illustrator is way out of their league
[09:45] <Jucato> farkr: you have tried Xara? I heard it was very good
[09:45] <farkr> i think they will be in a few years
[09:45] <farkr> xara will be
[09:45] <Jucato> some say even better than Inkscape
[09:46] <Jucato> farkr: you are a perfect example of vendor lock in :)
[09:46] <chuen> Stingray, for some reason /etc/cups/ppd is empty :(
[09:46] <farkr> the problem is that pros use the same tools  and so if you're working you need to stay locked into the vendor of choice :(
[09:46] <Lynoure> farkr: if you are unhappy about state of graphics software, even telling projects what features you miss can help
[09:46] <Jucato> !mp3 | emss
[09:46] <ubotu> emss: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:46] <StingRay> chuen, what is your printer? Maybe you should try to reinstall it.
[09:46] <farkr> you cant really expect to be a pro who only uses those open source apps while everyone else is using photoshop/illustrator. those tools are more for private usage
[09:46] <chuen> HP Deskjet 840c
[09:47] <mortici> do any of you know how to change the default app to open mp3's/pls files in firefox?
[09:47] <Lynoure> farkr: and import/export of format is a feature too.
[09:47] <StingRay> A ppd should apper in this directory
[09:47] <chuen> Do I just use the 'wizard' to do that ... that's what Ive been using.
[09:47] <Jucato> farkr: the only reasons these "pros" use those apps is because of marketing and lock in
[09:47] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea why knetworkmanager can't connect to a infra wifi network while the wireless assistant is able to only via manual ip config?  i'm using kubuntu 6.10
[09:47] <farkr> not good enough when people are sharing native files
[09:47] <StingRay> chuen, try reinstalling the printer
[09:47] <Jucato> mortici: try about:config
[09:47] <farkr> Jucato of course but its still the reality :(
[09:47] <mortici> Jucato, thx
[09:47] <StingRay> chuen, what is your printer brand and model?
[09:47] <Jucato> farkr: that's why we are pushing for open standards/formats
[09:47] <StingRay> ok
[09:47] <Jucato> farkr: it's reality, but not a good justification, in the long run
[09:47] <farkr> yap it's coming, within the next 10 years i hope
[09:48] <chuen> HP Deskjet 840c
[09:48] <Jucato> farkr: not that long
[09:48] <StingRay> chuen, try using the wizard.
[09:48] <chuen> I saw it in the list of Printers with various drivers mentioned as ooptions.
[09:48] <farkr> never know, even open source software takes a long time to get to a trusted level
[09:48] <StingRay> chuen, if you see the printer in your list, you can try to add your own ppd file
[09:48] <stdin> StingRay: afaik ppds are in /usr/share/ppd/
[09:48] <chuen> That's where I got the error msg Stingray!
[09:49] <chuen> Mmm not sure how to add own ppd.
[09:49] <StingRay> stdin, all my ppds are in /etc/cups/ppd
[09:49] <StingRay> I have replaced ppds in this directory with ppds from linuxprinting.org
[09:49] <farkr> especially since newest hardware isnt supporting linux. thats a big deal in and of itself for production designers
[09:49] <stdin> StingRay: the only ppd in /etc/cups/ppd is for the printer I have setup
[09:49] <StingRay> stdin, the HP1020 ppd in dapper is broken
[09:50] <StingRay> stdin, this is why I asked chuen to check this directory if there is a printer correctly installed
[09:50] <StingRay> if not I advise him to download a ppd from www.linuxprinting.org, stdin, chuen
[09:50] <chuen> Shoud I check here too? /usr/share/ppd/
[09:50] <farkr> and the multimedia people still wont go to linux and a lot of photoshop people are also afterFX, maya, flash, etc people. they usualy use macs if they dont use windows
[09:50] <stdin> I have a lexmark X1180, and I have to use the Z600 driver, which I had to d/l and extract from an RPM, then a shell script :p
[09:51] <chuen> Stingray I'll vsisit that site.
[09:51] <Lynoure> farkr: Some newest hardware supports Linux, some does not. Often users just whine about it not supporting but never whine to the manufacturer.
[09:51] <StingRay> stdin, I have 6 printers working in (K)ubuntu...the only problematic one is Lexmark ...
[09:51] <farkr> people are used to things being one way
[09:51] <farkr> change takes time
[09:52] <StingRay> but I cannot remember the model...X7100 or X7700 I think, stdin
[09:52] <farkr> ultimately it doesnt matter. linux isnt tryin to get rich so they have no reason to rush to get as many users as possible
[09:52] <StingRay> the only drivers were rpm, for Suse, stdin
[09:52] <farkr> its more like 'eh i like it i use it, if you dont thats your problem, enjoy.' :P
[09:53] <stdin> StingRay: same for me, I had to use alien to convert to tar.gz, then extract that, then extract the driver from a shell script
[09:53] <farkr> whereas the windows users attitude is 'i dont like it but i have to use it :('
[09:53] <stdin> StingRay: then install it :p
[09:53] <chuen> Just checking that site Stingray, but just for the record is there a list of 'Linux Friendly Printers' anywhere, or is it just down to the drivers mainly?
[09:53] <StingRay> stdin, we followed one and the same howto ;)
[09:53] <StingRay> chuen, I will check it for you, 1 mom
[09:53] <stdin> StingRay: probably
[09:54] <Lynoure> chuen: there is a whole web site, linuxprinting.org
[09:54] <chuen> Lynoure, just checking it now :)
[09:57] <chuen> Stingray, have d/load the ppd form that sirte. Do I simply place it in the directory you mentioned an try with th e wizard again?
[09:58] <StingRay> chuen, no try to add the ppd from the wizard
[09:58] <chuen> ok, will browse for it.
[09:58] <StingRay> there is a driver tab in when you select the printer, chuen
[10:00] <chuen> ok .. one sec...
[10:01] <chuen> there is an 'other' tab (button) I guess that's to browse ..
[10:03] <chuen> tingray - thx! test page printing ok!
[10:03] <dromer> hmmm, how can I remotely activate vnc?
[10:03] <dromer> I'm on a windows pc atm and I'd like to use remote desktop sharing
[10:03] <chuen> Thanks so much. Now all I have to do is get my iPod and Creative  V working :)
[10:04] <dromer> I have vncviewer installed, but I can't connect (<ip>:0)
[10:04] <stdin> chuen: iPod help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[10:05] <chuen> thx stdin
[10:06] <stdin> :)
[10:06] <chuen> I really appreciate the helpfuness here. As a Newb I would be lost without it!
[10:06] <StingRay> :)
[10:06] <dromer> :)
[10:07] <mortici> seems that xmms is set as the default app for mp3/m3u/pls files, how do i change it to amarok?
[10:07] <Jucato> mortici: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[10:08] <dromer> so, how can I activate vnc over ssh ?
[10:08] <mortici> Jucato, i tried that already
[10:08] <stdin> !vnc
[10:08] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[10:08] <mortici> when i go to firefox and i try and open mp3s from the web its default app is xmms
[10:11] <Jucato> mortici: aah.. firefox
[10:11] <Jucato> about:config ?
[10:11] <mortici> checked
[10:11] <mortici> nothing for mp3
[10:12] <mortici> m3u
[10:12] <mortici> or pls
[10:12] <mortici> how do i install xpi extensions?
[10:12] <stdin> use the extention manager
[10:13] <stdin> i think it's Tools -> Extentions
[10:15] <crazy_bus> Is there a option in amarok to retain the minutes and seconds you were in a song after a reboot?
[10:16] <StingRay> stdin, do you use openvpn?
[10:17] <stdin> StingRay: nope
[10:17] <StingRay> ok, stdin
[10:33] <katakombi> hi. Is there a dev channel for kubuntu?
[10:34] <Jucato> katakombi: #kubuntu-devel
[10:35] <katakombi> Jucato , thanks
[10:36] <SlimG> will wlassistant automatically be able to connect to WPA(2) wlans if I install the wpasupplicant package? or do i have to use kwlan?
[10:37] <mortici> ok guys ttyl
[10:37] <mortici> i gots to go
[10:38] <stdin> SlimG: don't know, I don't have wifi, but look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WifiDocs/KubuntuWPAHowTo
[10:39] <SlimG> stdin: according to the URL it should answer alle my questions :) thanx !
[10:39] <stdin> :)
[10:40] <stdin> np
[10:48] <VSpike> Is it possible to disable a piece of hardware in Linux?
[10:48] <VSpike> I have two sound cards, and I'd like to disable one of them completely
[10:48] <VSpike> I can't be arsed to take the damn thing out again
[10:50] <stdin> VSpike: can't you do that in the BIOS?
[10:54] <Li`lEndian> how do i burn a cue file with bin image using k3b
[10:55] <VSpike> stdin: not that I'm aware
[10:55] <VSpike> pretty easy in Windows.. go into the device manager and disable it.
[10:56] <VSpike> Just wondering if similar exists in Linux
[10:56] <stdin> Li`lEndian: just open k3b, choose Burn CD Image, and locate the .cue file
[10:56] <stdin> VSpike: I'm sure there probably is, like blacklisting the moduse for it
[10:57] <stdin> VSpike: but you could ask in #ubuntu or ##linux for a better answer :p
[10:57] <VSpike> I'll give it a try :) Thanks!
[10:57] <stdin> :)
[10:57] <VSpike> I thought it was worth starting here, because if there were to be a graphical device manager where you could disable a device, it would be KDE thing
[10:58] <dwidmann> regarding device drivers in linux, seems a decent gui for doing just that is planned, read something about it in one of the people of ubuntu things yesterday
[10:59] <VSpike> that would be neat
[11:00] <VSpike> It's one of the better features of Win2K onwards.
[11:00] <stdin> I think all you need to do is add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist saying "blacklist module"
[11:00] <stdin> then reboot
[11:03] <VSpike> stdin: that's easy enough.  I can probably unload the module live too
[11:03] <stdin> depends if it's "in use"
[11:05] <VSpike> I find having two sound cards installed is bad, as it seems fairly random as to which application will use which card.
[11:05] <VSpike> Most of them seem to behave and use the right one but there are a few which don't
[11:05] <VSpike> And Skype seems totally random
[11:11] <farkr> is 4gb enough for /home partition if i keep most of my huge files on a separate 80gb ext3 partition?
[11:13] <stdin> farkr: yeah, should be fine
[11:13] <farkr> cause i plan to install 3rd party programs in /home
[11:14] <farkr> but i doubt i'll have to compile much of anythin
[11:15] <stdin> you can put 3rd party apps in /opt too, but 4GB sounds fine still
[11:15] <farkr> it took me a week of research to figure out exactly how i want my partitions to be. i hope thats normal because if i wouldnt have rellly thought this through i woulda ended up with a partition table i hated. i had like 10 different ways i ws gonna partition up till now and luckily held my self till i ws sure
[11:16] <farkr> but i only have one harddrive and i'm dualbooting so i was kinda limited :p
[11:16] <stdin> farkr: look in to LVM too, it's great for repartitioning and resizing partitions on the fly
[11:16] <stdin> !LVM
[11:16] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[11:16] <stdin> the last link there
[11:17] <farkr> lvm thats a new one, man linux has a thousand tools for everything :P
[11:17] <farkr> disk druid, qtparted, gparted, on and on
[11:17] <stdin> yup :)
[11:18] <farkr> choice is great tho
[11:18] <stdin> yeah, it means you can have an OS the way YOU want it, not the way THEY want it :p
[11:19] <marz_> hello all; i have a bizarre problem; i installed kubuntu, edgy eft, and when i try to play sounds (the introductory amarok file for example), the file plays, i can see the spectrum analyser doing it's thing, but no actual sound comes out; i've tried playing with alsamixer and it doesn't help; realtek alc660 inbuilt chip on an asus m2v motherboard; any ideas?
[11:22] <farkr> oh yeah, i wanna use vmware in linux, so i need to make /home much larger than 4gb, doh almost forgot
[11:22] <farkr> though i think ill give that its own partition
[11:26] <junme> Hi   how do I re install grub ?
[11:26] <zchydem> marz_: have you tried to play sounds with amarok which is configured to use xine engine?
[11:26] <marz_> um
[11:27] <marz_> no
[11:27] <marz_> i wasn't aware there was such a thing; i'll try now
[11:28] <marz_> okay yeah, it's using the xine engine, it's the only one there
[11:28] <binks>  hi should i install qt4 designer or qt4 designer-kde-copy into kubuntu
[11:28] <VSpike> marz_: do you get any sound from anything?
[11:28] <marz_> VSpike: no
[11:29] <VSpike> marz_: have you tried "dmesg > /dev/dsp"
[11:29] <VSpike> should make a buzzing noise
[11:29] <marz_> bash: /dev/dsp: Invalid argument
[11:30] <VSpike> does "ls /dev/dsp*" give you anything?
[11:30] <marz_> yeah it does
[11:30] <marz_> i was under the impression that alsa stuff went to /dev/snd
[11:30] <marz_> well /dev/snd/something
[11:31] <VSpike> You could well be right.. was just trying to check if the sound was working at the most basic level
[11:33] <marz_> mmm
[11:33] <marz_> short of recompiling a kernel, is there any way of controlling which modules get loaded; i'm trying to remove all the non critical ones but i don't think they've been compiled with module unloading
[11:36] <marz_> okay i have a mystical feeling that the sound is somehow going to my tv tuner card and not to my soundcard
[11:36] <marz_> since alsa's card 0 is my tvtuner card, and card 1 is my actual sound card/chip
[11:36] <marz_> any idea how to swap them around or whatever ?
[11:39] <peterhoeg> marz_: one thing at a time
[11:40] <marz_> okay
[11:41] <peterhoeg> marz_: yes, you can disable modules
[11:41] <peterhoeg> marz_: create a this file   /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:41] <peterhoeg> marz_: then start adding lines like this:     blacklist 8139cp
[11:41] <peterhoeg> blacklist ipv6
[11:41] <peterhoeg> blacklist pcspkr
[11:42] <peterhoeg> marz_: and all the other ones you don't want loaded
[11:42] <marz_> oh okay
[11:42] <marz_> yup there's one here already
[11:42] <peterhoeg> marz_: fine, then just add the other modules you need disabled
[11:43] <zero-9376> can someone help me out with edgy, i have a matrox card and am trying to use unofficial drivers as per: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com/msg03077.html but i need to know where to do the equivalent of the gdm.conf change in kubuntu thanks
[11:43] <peterhoeg> marz_: and what exactly is the soundcard problem? you think it is using the wrong card (the tuner instead of the regular sound card) ?
[11:44] <marz_> yeah i think that's what it's trying to do
[11:44] <marz_> the strange thing is when i initially used the live cd, the sound did work
[11:44] <marz_> just the install seems to not have figured it out
[11:44] <peterhoeg> marz_: and is it any app in particular or just general? i'll try to help you out, but am not using KDE
[11:45] <marz_> all sound seems to not work, i tried xmms as well, same problem
[11:45] <marz_> seems to play, no errors or anything, just no actual sound
[11:45] <peterhoeg> marz_: any errors or just silence?
[11:45] <marz_> silence
[11:45] <peterhoeg> marz_: ok. kde or gnome?
[11:45] <marz_> i'm thinking if i blacklist the tv tuner card, then it'll be forced to use the other soundcard
[11:45] <marz_> using kde atm
[11:46] <marz_> thanks btw, i appreciate the assistance
[11:46] <peterhoeg> marz_: well, it could be the sequence the modules are being loaded so that the tuner becomes the primary
[11:46] <peterhoeg> marz_: does kde still use arts ?
[11:46] <marz_> yep, it's started up
[11:46] <VSpike> Yes
[11:47] <VSpike> marz_: did you go into the system settings and select the sound device for KDE?
[11:48] <peterhoeg> vspike / marz_: there must be a way in the control center (or whatever it is called in kde) to select the default device
[11:48] <marz_> see, unless i'm missing something, all i see is an option to override the device location
[11:48] <marz_> and i tried it with /dev/dsp & a couple from /dev/snd/
[11:48] <marz_> and no good
[11:48] <peterhoeg> vspike / marz_:  start amarok (pretty much the only kde app I use) and select the default output plugin as alsa
[11:48] <VSpike> marz_: Oh yeah, you're right.  I'm kind of in the same state as you.  Got two sound cards, was trying to use one for skype and one for everything else, and I get the same kind of crap going on
[11:49] <VSpike> marz_: there should be one /dev/dsp for each sound device the kernel found, I think. I have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1
[11:49] <peterhoeg> marz_ / vspike : /dev/dsp is for OSS use. You really should be using alsa instead. There should be somewhere you can chose to use alsa directly instead
[11:49] <jpiccolo> ImportError: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:50] <marz_> xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.
[11:50] <marz_> yeah i want to use alsa too
[11:50] <marz_> although it was a pain to setup the multiple sound thing up in slackware ... a while ago
[11:51] <VSpike> marz_: you could try xmms.  The audio config in that is pretty good
[11:51] <marz_> yeah i tried that, no luck
[11:51] <VSpike> You can select the output plugin (i.e. ALSA) and then choose from a list of detected devices
[11:52] <VSpike> Did it show all the audio devices you expected to see in the list?
[11:52] <marz_> it showed both
[11:52] <marz_> but neither worked
[11:52] <VSpike> Wierd
[11:52] <peterhoeg> marz_: probably because arts is running
[11:52] <marz_> tv tuner card & soundcard
[11:52] <marz_> indeed :)
[11:52] <VSpike> Both mine work, it's just which the sound goes to that is a bit wierd
[11:52] <peterhoeg> marz_: tell kde not to use arts at all
[11:53] <marz_> okay i'm just waiting for a few packages to install, then i'll see if i reboot with the module blacklisted, whether that'll make things work
[11:53] <peterhoeg> marz_: or try your original option of disabling the tuner module and see it that fixes it. not as a permanent solution of course.
[11:53] <marz_> alright hang on
[11:53] <marz_> lemme kill artsd and try it
[11:54] <VSpike> xmms works for me with arts running
[11:55] <marz_> well either way
[11:55] <marz_> it's not working
[11:55] <marz_> or rather i'm getting the same issue
[11:55] <peterhoeg> marz_: you killed arts and told xmms to use alsa ?
[11:56] <marz_> i tried with alsa & oss
[11:56] <marz_> just to see if i could get it to beep
[11:56] <marz_> i can change volume and everything, i see the analyser/oscilliscope do it's stuff
[11:56] <marz_> but no sound
[11:56] <marz_> and yes i've checked the speakers :)
[11:56] <peterhoeg> marz_: and you haven't muted it either on some kde master volume control button somewhere?
[11:57] <marz_> nup i haven't muted it
[11:58] <peterhoeg> marz_: try shutting down KDE completely and try to play a file using mpg123 from the console
[11:58] <marz_> okay i'll do that just before i reboot; these packages are taking their time
[11:58] <peterhoeg> marz_: just to see it is KDE playing games
[11:59] <peterhoeg> marz_: trust me, you can't be worse off than me. 128kbit shared downstream. AAARRRGGGHHHH. welcome to Africa....
[12:00] <marz_> heh i don't disagree, i'm just waiting for the things to install :)
[12:01] <peterhoeg> marz_: the power just went. I have about 15 minutes before the UPSs run out of juice, so we may need to do this later.
[12:01] <marz_> LSA snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory
[12:01] <marz_> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[12:01] <marz_> Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[12:01] <marz_> okay no probs
[12:01] <marz_> it won't kill me ...
[12:01] <marz_> good luck with the power situation
[12:01] <peterhoeg> marz_ : you tried with mpg123 and that was the error?
[12:01] <marz_> why the heck is esd being invoked
[12:01] <marz_> yep
[12:01] <peterhoeg> marz_: hang on, let me check on mpg123
[12:02] <peterhoeg> marz_: and regarding the power, that's just Tanzania for you...
[12:02] <marz_> not enough power stations ?
[12:04] <peterhoeg> marz_: Nope, just Tanzanian politics. We rely on hydro power here and they geniuses in power have not invested in other types despite having known for 10 years that the generating facilities were insufficient
[12:04] <peterhoeg> s/they/the/
[12:05] <marz_> are you an author btw ?
[12:05] <peterhoeg> marz_: nope, just share the name
[12:05] <marz_> ahh okay
[12:06] <marz_> i thought you might be a free software programmer initially
[12:06] <peterhoeg> marz_: not that either, no. Just having a day off today
[12:07] <marz_> okay
[12:07] <marz_> well thanks for the help
[12:07] <marz_> how long do the power outages usually last ?
[12:08] <peterhoeg> marz_: well, we are currently only 12 hours power rationing, meaning no power from 6am to 6pm. We then run on private generators during the day, but there are often problems with those as well, which is the reason for the current outage
[12:08] <peterhoeg> s/only/having/
[12:08] <marz_> holy cow
[12:09] <peterhoeg> marz_: that would probably be one of the nicer ways of putting it. I normally use words from an entirely different vocabulary... ;-)
[12:09] <peterhoeg> marz_: anyway, mpg123 works perfectly here as well
[12:10] <peterhoeg> marz:
[12:10] <peterhoeg> peter@dolores:/media/250GB/music/Marilyn Manson/(2004) Lest We Forget. The Best Of$ mpg123 01-marilyn_manson-the_love_song-rns.mp3
[12:10] <peterhoeg> High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layers 1, 2 and 3
[12:10] <peterhoeg>         version 0.60; written and copyright by Michael Hipp and others
[12:10] <marz_> yeah it's just my luck; it's a nice distribution otherwise although i was previously wary of debianness because of i guess bad experiences with knoppix
[12:10] <peterhoeg>         free software (LGPL/GPL) without any warranty but with best wishes
[12:10] <peterhoeg> Playing MPEG stream 1 of 1: 01-marilyn_manson-the_love_song-rns.mp3 ...
[12:10] <peterhoeg> Note: Xing/Lame/Info header detected
[12:10] <peterhoeg>         Title:   The Love Song
[12:10] <peterhoeg>         Artist:  Marilyn Manson
[12:10] <peterhoeg>         Album:   Lest We Forget (The Best Of)
[12:11] <peterhoeg>         Year:    2004
[12:11] <peterhoeg>         Genre:   Metal
[12:11] <peterhoeg>         Comment:
[12:11] <peterhoeg> MPEG 1.0 layer III, VBR, 44100 Hz joint-stereo
[12:11] <peterhoeg> [3:05]  Decoding of 01-marilyn_manson-the_love_song-rns.mp3 finished.
[12:11] <peterhoeg> peter@dolores:/media/250GB/music/Marilyn Manson/(2004) Lest We Forget. The Best Of$
[12:11] <Jucato> !pastebin | peterhoeg
[12:11] <stdin> !pastebin
[12:11] <ubotu> peterhoeg: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:11] <peterhoeg> marz_: did you try with the modules blacklisted yet?
[12:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:11] <stdin> heh
[12:11] <Jucato> stdin: bleh :P
[12:11] <stdin> great minds and all that
[12:11] <marz_> no not yet, this automatix2 thing is taking longer than i expected
[12:12] <marz_> if it works, i'll come back tomorrow (it's 10pm here) and let you guys know
[12:12] <_deb_> Hi *
[12:12] <marz_> peterhoeg: do you like tanzania a lot?
[12:12] <zeekstarr> is it possible to run dual graphics cards on kubuntu?
[12:13] <peterhoeg> marz_: ok, otherwise drop me an email. Will not be in here tomorrow. Add in a @ after peter and slap .com at the end for my address
[12:13] <_deb_> I am using feisty. I have my windows partition mounted and I have a link in my desktop.
[12:13] <marz_> okay cool
[12:13] <peterhoeg> marz_: Sure, although it is probably kind of offtopic for this channel.
[12:13] <_deb_> but whenever I click on the link, i gives me an error saying cannou mount device
[12:14] <_deb_> mount  command output shows that the partition is already mounted .
[12:14] <marz_> _deb_: i'm guessing it's a permission thing? can you change into the partition via command line?
[12:14] <marz_> cd /wherever/the/drive/is/mounted
[12:15] <marz_> ?
[12:15] <_deb_> the permissions is : dr-xr-x--- 1 root plugdev
[12:15] <marz_> mmm think it might be that although i can't be sure
[12:16] <marz_> try opening up a console
[12:16] <marz_> do you know how to do that ?
[12:16] <stdin> marz_: users are normally in the plugdev group, so I don't think that's the problem
[12:16] <_deb_> I can browse the contents of the partiton .. but the link on the desktop doesn't open the partiton .
[12:16] <_deb_> in konqueror .
[12:16] <marz_> okay
[12:17] <markus__> hola
[12:18] <marz_> _deb_: just to make sure i understand, you can browse the drive in konqueror, but not when you click the link on your desktop ?
[12:18] <magnus_> newbie question  WHat version should I download to run on my kubuntu installation http://www.skype.com/intl/sv/download/skype/linux/
[12:19] <_deb_> marz_: yes. If I double click on the link it won't open. I can access the partition from console/konqueror .
[12:19] <stdin> !skype | magnus_
[12:19] <ubotu> magnus_: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:20] <sherz_> hi I installed some KDE programs on ubuntu but there are ugly looks like kde 1.0 :)
[12:20] <marz_> _deb_: i'm thinking the easiest way might be to just delete the link and create a new link to the location
[12:22] <_deb_> marz_: I tried that .. but no luck . .
[12:23] <marz_> _deb_: i'm afraid i don't know enough about kde to help you
[12:23] <_deb_> marz_: sorry.. link to loaction works.. but link to device doesn't work .
[12:24] <_deb_> marz_: thanks for the workaround  :) .  never thought abt that .
[12:24] <marz_> i think it'd be a link to location since wherever the drive is mounted counts as a location
[12:24] <marz_> i think device would be for cameras
[12:24] <marz_> or whatever
[12:24] <marz_> zip drives etc.
[12:24] <marz_> could be wrong
[12:24] <marz_> but if it works, it works :)
[12:25] <_deb_> marz_: :)
[12:26] <_deb_> marz_: it worked perfectly in dapper and edgy ..
[12:26] <marz_> i generally don't use kde so i'm not really an expert on the thing
[12:27] <stdin> well feisty isn't stable yet, you should send a bug report
[12:28] <_deb_> stdin: I will surely do that .
[12:28] <karmikaze> does anyone know if its possible to read a gnome default.keylist file with any kde app?
[12:29] <marz_> i'm going to reboot
[12:29] <karmikaze> keyrings i mean
[12:30] <stdin> karmikaze: maybe with kgpg
[12:30] <karmikaze> hrm
[12:30] <karmikaze> ok
[12:32] <karmikaze> whats that app for stdin
[12:32] <karmikaze> id look but with lynx its kinda annoying
[12:32] <stdin> !kgpg
[12:32] <ubotu> kgpg: GnuPG frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 445 kB, installed size 1404 kB
[12:32] <karmikaze> ah#
[12:32] <karmikaze> nice
[12:32] <stdin> :)
[12:43] <marz_> well, i think i worked out what the problem was
[12:43] <marz_> the sound was coming out through the output port on the front
[12:44] <marz_> now to work out how to get the sound to go the port on the back of the computer
[01:10] <karmikaze> has anyone had recent problems with beryl
[01:10] <karmikaze> within the last two weeks or so
[01:11] <karmikaze> beryl just stopped working completely
[01:11] <Tm_T> Well, iirc it's still unstable
[01:11] <karmikaze> i do beryl-manager and the task bar icon comes up, and screen flashes, then goes back to normal
[01:11] <karmikaze> just wondered if its done that for anyone else
[01:15] <_deb_> karmikaze: what is the rendering platform ?? change it to Automatic and see .
[01:15] <karmikaze> i'll give that a go
[01:15] <karmikaze> im pretty sure its on auto tho
[01:15] <stdin> karmikaze: I haven't had any problems with beryl, not the ones in the beryl repos, or when I compile the cvs source. Try running beryl-manager from konsole to check for error messages
[01:16] <karmikaze> ok will try that later
[01:16] <karmikaze> -_-
[01:17] <_deb_> karmikaze: reload the window manager once u have see all rendering stuffs to Automatic . then check,
[01:17] <karmikaze> kk
[01:18] <_deb_> karmikaze: BTW, do u start beryl from kde using Autostart to u login to beryl from KDM ?
[01:18] <karmikaze> i start kde normal, then run beryl-manager
[01:18] <karmikaze> the login never worked for me
[01:18] <gnoma> hi!
[01:20] <_deb_> karmikaze: open beryl settings manager and click reset settings .. then try using berly instead of kwin .
[01:20] <stdin> karmikaze: I made a little script that runs at lohin, it pops up a dialogue asking if I want to run beryl now (then it starts), later (beryl-manager starts but doesn't load the window manager), or not at all (then beryl-manager don't start). it's quite nice :)
[01:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> 3ddesktop sucks
[01:21] <gnoma> O.o
[01:21] <karmikaze> cool
[01:21] <karmikaze> you got it on a link somewhere stdin
[01:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> omg stdin ur still here =)
[01:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> are u always here, hehe
[01:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> i just woke up
[01:22] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: I'm always here :p but gettin tired now
[01:22] <Balsamic_Chicken> =)
[01:22] <stdin> karmikaze: let me just try and put it somewhere  :p
[01:22] <karmikaze> no worries now stdin
[01:22] <karmikaze> im going to grab some lunch
[01:22] <karmikaze> i'll ask you about it again when i get home :)
[01:24] <stdin> karmikaze: got it http://pastebin.com/855002
[01:25] <stdin> it's only 17 lines long :)
[01:25] <stdin> 459 Bytes
[01:25] <ubuntu_> How can I get the schema from an LDAP installation?
[01:28] <franx> hi
[01:29] <franx> i try and change settings in kde and it states that i need to click on the administrator button
[01:29] <franx> but i have no administrator button in kde as far as i can see
[01:29] <franx> kubuntu 6.10
[01:29] <franx> anyone?
[01:30] <ubuntu_> franx: This is in the System Settings?
[01:31] <franx> yes
[01:31] <ubuntu_> franx: It's in the bottom right hand corner
[01:31] <franx> ahhh
[01:32] <franx> that was driving me bonkers
[01:32] <franx> ta
[01:32] <franx> ive been a mandriver user until today
[01:32] <ubuntu_> franx: Welcome
[01:32] <franx> so i need a little slack. this is a bit different
[01:32] <franx> now wpa2
[01:32] <franx> i have the ra chipset
[01:33] <franx> so it finds the card, but it cant connect to the network even when i have no encryption
[01:33] <ubuntu_> !wireless
[01:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:34] <franx> you would think it could connect to it automatically if it can find the wlan0 and the wireless service on the router
[01:37] <ubuntu_> Maybe :)
[01:45] <franx> when i "su -" whats the default password, as it seems that it isnt the same as my user password i set up in the installation?
[01:45] <astan> hum. dpkg-query "*sqlalchemy*" does not match anything, but searching for 'sqlalchemy' in synaptic/adept gives a match.. what should i use from command line to search for packages?
[01:45] <hanna__> franx, try to su passwd
[01:45] <hanna__> and then set a new root password
[01:46] <xxx_> hi
[01:46] <franx> hanna__: unknown id passwd
[01:47] <hanna__> sorry, I meant "sudo passwd" ;)
[01:48] <franx> sweet
[01:48] <franx> ta
[01:48] <astan> anyone know how i can do the equivalent of searching for a package in synaptic, but from the command line?
[01:49] <hannak> apt-cache search
[01:49] <hannak> ex: apt-cache search asterisk*
[01:50] <ccatalan> gaim en kubuntu 6.10 what????
[01:50] <astan> ah, thanks a bunch. follow question; how is it different from dpkg -l "asterisk*"?
[01:51] <astan> sorry
[01:51] <astan> dpkg-query i mean.
[01:51] <ubuntu_> ccatalan: you want to install gaim?
[01:52] <ccatalan> yes
[01:53] <ccatalan> sip, irc, msn, etc
[01:53] <ubuntu_> ccatalan: Try kopete or type
[01:54] <ubuntu_> sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:55] <astan> hmf. sqlalchemy package is very out-of-date :/
[01:55] <ccatalan> ccatalan@ccatalan-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:55] <ccatalan> Password:
[01:55] <ccatalan> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[01:55] <ccatalan> Creando rbol de dependencias
[01:55] <ccatalan> Leyendo informacin de estado... Hecho
[01:55] <ccatalan> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete gaim
[01:55] <ccatalan> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete gaim
[01:56] <ccatalan> kopete not sip
[01:57] <ubuntu_> !es
[01:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:57] <hannak> !ar
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <hannak> heh, no ar forum!
[01:58] <ubuntu_> Whats AR?
[01:58] <hannak> Arabic
[01:59] <ubuntu_> Ah. There is a good arabic community. Wonder if anyone has stepped up
[01:59] <hannak> donno, maybe going under en and fr
[02:00] <ubuntu_> I recall an  article saying how active the community was but mostly offline
[02:00] <hannak> There are scatered communities
[02:02] <hannak> and in the arab world, the case is that many ppl are bilingual, and can speak English or French fluently
[02:03] <hannak> at least at Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Tunisia, Morroco, UAE
[02:03] <ubuntu_> hannak: Do you mean many people period or many people in the linux community?
[02:03] <hannak> most ppl in the Linux community, and many ppl in general
[02:04] <ubuntu_> Ok
[02:16] <ted_> how do I make tree wiew as standard view in conqueror?
[02:16] <ted_> view*
[02:24] <politik> I just upgraded to Edgy and now when I boot, the kubuntu boot progress bar gets about 5 pixels from the end, then seems to freeze, and I get a little screen corruption
[02:24] <politik> like a dotted green line below the progress bar
[02:24] <politik> this is on a thinkpad t60
[02:24] <politik> I've already disabled the fglrx xorg driver
[02:25] <politik> any suggestions on how to debug this?
[02:26] <stdin> politik: remove the "splash" boot option, either at boot, or from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:27] <politik> stdin: cool, is this a known issue then, I hope? :)
[02:29] <politik> or you're saying this will just let me see the boot progress... good idea
[02:29] <stdin> politik: not that I know of, but since the move from init to upstart I didn't even get a progress bar, I normally remove the option from grub tho
[02:30] <politik> hm without splash, I do get a login prompt
[02:30] <politik> I guess I'll try to start X from there
[02:30] <stdin> politik: you'll still get the login screen
[02:30] <politik> the kde one? I don't
[02:30] <politik> I got a shell login
[02:31] <stdin> after usplash finishes ?
[02:31] <stdin> usplash = the boot progress bar program
[02:31] <politik> well I removed splash as you said, so all I got was textual boot logs
[02:32] <stdin> yeah, but then KDM should load as normal
[02:32] <politik> nope
[02:33] <politik> do I just run "startx" to attempt to launch kdm?
[02:33] <politik> and then I can see what the problems are?
[02:34] <stdin> politik: try kdm first "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[02:34] <Tamacracka> #ubuntu
[02:34] <stdin> #kubuntu
[02:34] <stdin> :p
[02:35] <politik> stdin: ok, it sort of worked, but it is unreadable, the screen is corrupt
[02:36] <politik> maybe a resolution problem
[02:36] <balint> hi there i have a big problem
[02:36] <stdin> politik: have you messwith xorg.conf recently, or installed any binary drivers?
[02:36] <politik> I have messed with it, to remove references to fglrx and ati-proprietary settings
[02:37] <stdin> politik: you can use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to reconfigure it anyway
[02:37] <politik> since my t60 has an ati card and I was suspicious that the old fglrx isn't working in edgy
[02:37] <politik> ok
[02:37] <balint> the graphic interface is not starting, only the black konsole is all that i can see. i see after boot thr kubuntu loadong screen, and after the login is in the konsole... :(
[02:38] <stdin> balint: have you messwith xorg.conf recently, or installed any binary drivers?
[02:38] <balint> yepp i installed vnidia-glx, and had do modify the driver name from "nv" to "nvidia", at the device...
[02:39] <stdin> balint: and did it stop working right after that?
[02:39] <stdin> politik: ohh, I forgot to say, there is only 1 driver for ATI, if you're in edgy, it's the edgy version
[02:40] <balint> no, i installed it in the morning (now its 3 pm almost) and it was working good. after that i shut down the copmuter and went to school, and now i started the machine when i came home, and no graphics interface :(
[02:40] <politik> stdin: aren't I supposed to be able to get to a shell using alt+F3 etc, if I'm in kdm but the screen is screwed up?
[02:41] <stdin> politik: Ctrl-Alt-F1 (any F key from 1 - 6 will work too)
[02:41] <politik> ah, ctrl+alt
[02:41] <Tamacracka> Anyone here use Airsnort? I'm gettin this error and I have NO idea as to what I need to do in order to fix this problem:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/941/
[02:41] <balint> stdin: my friend said on telephone to pres ctrl-alt-f7 but that didnt resolve my problem... (than i got it reversed with ctrl-alt-f1)
[02:41] <stdin> politik: when in X (or KDM) its Ctrl-Alt, when in a console it's Alt
[02:42] <politik> stdin: so you recommend I run dpkg-reconfigure, and hopefully that will even use the edgy ati driver?
[02:42] <stdin> balint: did you restart the X server after installing the nvidia driver ?
[02:42] <balint> with ctrl-alt-backspace?
[02:42] <stdin> politik: you'll get a list of drivers to choose, so yeah
[02:42] <stdin> balint: yes
[02:43] <balint> stdin: i think not. was that a very big mistake? :(
[02:43] <politik> ok I'm doing that... any idea if I should choose "ati" or "fglrx" in this list?
[02:43] <stdin> balint: no, because it tells me if you did it, then you would have the same problem
[02:44] <stdin> politik: ati is the open source (working) one  I think
[02:44] <politik> I was using fglrx with dapper, I think thats the accelerated one...
[02:44] <stdin> balint: are you on the computer that just shows the console now?
[02:44] <politik> I hate this kind of stuff :)
[02:45] <balint> stdin: no, i dont know how to IRC from konsole:(
[02:45] <stdin> ATI are notoriously bad with drivers
[02:45] <balint> stdin: now im on win
[02:45] <stdin> balint: ok, grab a pen and paper :)
[02:45] <balint> okay a sec
[02:46] <balint> im ready :)
[02:46] <stdin> balint: when you boot in to linux, login, then at the console type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:47] <stdin> balint: actually it's: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[02:47] <stdin> missed out a bit at the end
[02:48] <balint> ok, and this command writes back the default file?
[02:48] <balint> so xorg will be as after install?
[02:48] <stdin> balint: it remakes it, but you have to tell it what driver to use, so a blue menu will come up, it will ask you what driver, choose the "nv" one
[02:49] <stdin> balint: then you should be able to use this command to login with KDE: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:49] <stdin> (without rebooting)
[02:50] <LinuxApe> Anyone notice a firefox slowdown using the adobe flash 9 plugin?  While all content seems to play correctly, sometimes the slowdown is unbearable.
[02:50] <stdin> balint: it will also ask you about resolutions, you can just press enter there if you want to use the same as before
[02:51] <balint> ok, by the way how can i change the res to 1024?
[02:51] <stdin> LinuxApe: there is a slight slow down, because flash is a processor and mem hog, but it's not massive on my system
[02:52] <LinuxApe> stdin:  Normally not on mine either, but some sites more so: like weather.com for some reason.
[02:53] <stdin> balint: like I said you'll see a part about resolution after you choose the "nv" driver, just use tab and the arrow keys to move around, and space to select the resolutions to use, then press enter
[02:53] <balint> oh ok... :)
[02:54] <balint> and how much chance i got, that this will resolve the problem?
[02:54] <balint> :) ?
[02:54] <balint> (i hope its 100%+ :D )
[02:54] <stdin> balint: as long as you change the driver to "nv", it will be fixed
[02:54] <balint> okay, thanx very much!!!!!!
[02:55] <stdin> LinuxApe: is there a specific page that giver you the problem, so I can test
[02:55] <stdin> balint: no problem :)
[02:55] <balint> oh and another thing, before i go to linux... with nv, the driver should work? or glx only works with "nvidia"?
[02:55] <LinuxApe> stdin:  I would say go to www.weather.com - enter your zip code and see what happens.
[02:56] <stdin> balint: yes, but by the looks of things you, may need the legacy driver, if you come back when in linux, we can sort that out
[02:57] <stdin> LinuxApe: I'm not in the US, so I don't have a zip code :p
[02:57] <balint> ok. but i got 6600GT :D is that legacy? :D
[02:57] <stdin> balint: I'll look it up for you
[02:57] <LinuxApe> stdin:  use mine: 18072
[02:57] <MidMark> balint: no
[02:57] <balint> okay, bye bye
[02:57] <balint> i hope you will se mee from linux after a few minutes :)
[02:58] <vge> http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kuva9lb4.jpg <-- onyone can help me with this?
[02:58] <amir__> Where can I get winetools?
[02:58] <stdin> LinuxApe: seems fine here, even with 10 tabs open
[02:59] <LinuxApe> stdin:  Thanks.  You running edgy?  Firefox 2.0?
[03:00] <stdin> LinuxApe: actually feisty, with firefox 2.0.0.1 :)
[03:00] <LinuxApe> stdin: okay - I'll keep an eye on it...thanks for taking the trouble.
[03:00] <vge> anyone?
[03:01] <stdin> LinuxApe: no problem :)
[03:01] <politik> stdin: ok, now that I've run dpkg-reconfigure and selected the ati driver, my xorg log shows that it can't detect my card
[03:01] <stdin> vge: I don't know how to fix that
[03:01] <politik> first the log lists all the cards the driver supports
[03:02] <politik> and then it says "Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0" "ATI: Candidate "Device" section "ATI Technologies, Inc. ATI Default Card"
[03:02] <politik> and then it says "(EE) No devices detected"
[03:02] <brahim> salut tout le monde
[03:02] <politik> I guess I need to run lspci to ensure that my video card is really at PCI 01:00:0?
[03:02] <LjL> !fr
[03:02] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:02] <stdin> politik: yeah, take a look at that
[03:03] <politik> stdin: hm looks good, lspci says 01:00.0 is "VGA Compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7145"
[03:03] <politik> maybe the ati driver doesn't support my ati card.
[03:04] <wedgeV> politik: what card do you have?
[03:04] <stdin> politik: what card is it?
[03:04] <politik> not sure :) I'll look it up, its in a t60
[03:04] <stdin> snap :p
[03:04] <vge> how do i check groups in console?
[03:04] <politik> some fairly basic card
[03:04] <LjL> vge: check them for what?
[03:04] <politik> I think it's an ATI X1300
[03:04] <vge> LjL: basically what is there and where do someone belong
[03:04] <stdin> vge: check what groups you are in?
[03:05] <wedgeV> politik: on edgy?
[03:05] <stdin> vge: you can look at the /etc/group file
[03:05] <politik> wedgeV: yep
[03:05] <vge> stdin: k, ty
[03:05] <stdin> np
[03:05] <LjL> vge: "cat /etc/group" will list all the groups (though i suppose there's some better command for that). "groups" will tell you which groups you belong to. "ls -l" will tell which group files belong to in a directory
[03:06] <politik> I guess I'll run dpkg-reconfigure again and fall back to vesa, that should work no matter what, right
[03:06] <stdin> LjL: "less /etc/group" would be better
[03:06] <wedgeV> politik: yes
[03:06] <politik> but I wanted acceleration and all the glx goodies :(
[03:06] <wedgeV> politik: install the fglrx driver
[03:06] <LjL> depends on how smalls your fonts are ;P
[03:06] <stdin> LjL: then cat wouldn't be any better :p
[03:07] <LjL> stdin: depends, when i'm in an X terminal i find it easier to use cat and then backscroll via the GUI
[03:08] <politik> wedgeV: using the usual xorg setup, or using some special procedure like this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[03:08] <stdin> LjL: wouldn't the fonts in an X console be the same with less and cat /
[03:08] <stdin> ?
[03:08] <wedgeV> politik: umm... i always installed by hand. but afaik edgy already has the fglrx drivers
[03:08] <wedgeV> politik: you should be able to install them with apt
[03:09] <wedgeV> then just change the Driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to fglrx
[03:09] <vge> sudo usermod  -a -G fuse vge <-- this should add me to fuse group yes?
[03:09] <wedgeV> or follow some guide
[03:09] <stdin> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:09] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.28.8+2.6.17.6-1 (edgy), package size 9181 kB, installed size 25892 kB
[03:10] <LjL> stdin: yes... what i'm saying is that, with less, you need to use less's own functions for scrolling back and forth. with cat, you can use your terminal's scrollbar instead (if there's enough backscroll available)
[03:10] <wedgeV> politik: that wiki site seems fine
[03:11] <stdin> LjL: yeah, I just like less because it's less clutter on the console :)
[03:11] <balint> stdin> are zou here?
[03:11] <balint> ok :)
[03:11] <stdin> balint: zi'm here :0
[03:12] <LjL> balint: let me guess, you need to change your keyboard layout from QWERTZ to QWERTY or vice versa :P
[03:12] <balint> so X is woking now but with the phigh parameter, the command wasnt able to run
[03:12] <balint> so i run it without phigh, is that problem?
[03:13] <balint> cause i made problems for myself :(
[03:13] <stdin> balint: no, -phigh just restricts the menus you se
[03:13] <stdin> balint: did you make sure it was "-phigh" not "phigh" ?
[03:14] <balint> yes, but anyway its working. but though this was my first time to reconfigure things:)
[03:14] <balint> so a lots of questions were there...
[03:14] <stdin> balint: we all have our first time breaking X :)
[03:15] <balint> especially a lots of questions about my keyboard... :)
[03:15] <stdin> I'll let LjL handle them :p
[03:17] <LjL> hey hey, i'd just guessed something from a typo :P anyway what about system settings / regional & language / keyboard layout
[03:17] <balint> so the thing is that i had hungaryan keyboard set, and i made a mistkae, when it asked for the keyboard latout. and now its us instead of hungaryan
[03:17] <balint> oh LjL answered before i put up the question >(
[03:18] <politik> hm, I finally got it to work... had to purge xorg-driver-fglrx and reinstall it....
[03:18] <LjL> balint: well you can also change that via "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"... i'm not entirely sure of what's different with changing it from the KDE settings, but that should work too
[03:18] <politik> which also uninstalled some other packages with fglrx in the name :) hopefully I didn't need those!
[03:18] <balint> well the regional settings worked :)
[03:18] <balint> thx
[03:18] <politik> ubuntu-fglrx-686, a few others like that
[03:20] <politik> alright! and now I fixed the resolution... all is well. now how the deuce do I setup the fancy xgl features
[03:21] <politik> I want the 3d desktop and everything.
[03:21] <balint> oh another question :) i think 1024 is not enough in linux :) but at system settings i cant move it up, the 1024 is the maximum... should i write it into the xorg.conf? where the modes are? the 1280*960?
[03:21] <amir__> How do you check wich xorg version you use?
[03:22] <stdin> balint: yes, but the best way is to choose with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[03:22] <politik> oh and also, which kernel do I need for dual core processors, in edgy? the default kernel isn't smp, apparently
[03:22] <stdin> amir__: use apt-cache policy xserver-xorg
[03:23] <stdin> politik: the default IS smp
[03:23] <politik> stdin: apparently not... uname -r shows 2.6.17-10-386, is that the kernel you're thinking of?
[03:23] <amir__> stdin: is that acoomand?
[03:23] <balint> man i figured it out, why my X crashed. right now i opened the xorg, but the changes i made on X, are not in the file, i think (you now exactly i think:)) linux writes the file, after resdtarting the X right??
[03:24] <stdin> amir__: yes, use in konsole
[03:24] <politik> stdin: I have another dual core laptop and that one didn't use an smp kernel by default, either
[03:24] <balint> i mean the language on keyboard and things like this
[03:24] <politik> (with edgy)
[03:24] <vge> someone can help me with sshfs?
[03:24] <stdin> politik: use 'uname -a'  you'll see SMP
[03:24] <stdin> politik: all the -generic kernels are SMP
[03:25] <LjL> stdin, why the -phigh anyway? afaik dpkg-reconfigure defaults to asking all questions anyway
[03:25] <vge> im in the fuse group, but it gives me "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" error?
[03:25] <politik> stdin: uname -a shows "Linux joel-t60 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux"
[03:25] <politik> looks like my clock is screwed up :)
[03:25] <stdin> LjL: -phigh doesn't ask all question, just driver and resolution
[03:25] <politik> or perhaps thats the date the kernel was compiled :)
[03:25] <amir__> !wmv
[03:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:25] <LjL> stdin: ah right... that's useful
[03:26] <joshua888> !list
[03:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:26] <stdin> politik: that's no the -generic kernel, that's the old i386 one, install "linux-image-generic"
[03:26] <balint> thx for the help! i go test a few things :) stdin, beware i will come back, for nvidia driver discussion :)
[03:27] <stdin> balint: I'll be ready :p
[03:27] <amir__> How do you know if you have linux x86 or linux x86_64 ?
[03:27] <politik> stdin: it claims to be installed already
[03:27] <stdin> politik: do you see a generic one in /boot ?
[03:28] <stdin> amir__: what dose "uname -m" show ?
[03:28] <amir__> i686
[03:29] <amir__> stdin: i686
[03:29] <LjL> then it's x86
[03:29] <amir__> oj
[03:29] <politik> stdin: yes I do :) so I'll just uninstall the 386 one, and then the generic one will become default?
[03:29] <amir__> ok
[03:29] <stdin> amir__: and what dose "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH" show?
[03:30] <joshua888> xenu
[03:30] <stdin> politik: you can yes, or just pick the -generic one at boot, from the GRUB menu
[03:30] <LjL> i'd try doing the latter first, to make sure it works, and only then remove the -386 kernel
[03:31] <LinuxApe> anyone using 3ddesk? and if so, how do you bind keys to control it?
[03:31] <stdin> yes, defiantly politik ^^
[03:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:32] <stdin> hi BluesKaj :)
[03:32] <BluesKaj> can't beleive it...the sun is shining today
[03:32] <BluesKaj> hi stdin
[03:33] <stdin> it's overcast here
[03:33] <stdin> and it'll be getting dark in a couple hours :(
[03:34] <BluesKaj> so my vers is i386 ...running it on an AMD64 due the probs i had with the 64 bit hardware recognition
[03:34] <politik> so, anyone know how to setup aiglx or glx or whatever its called
[03:34] <politik> I'm hoping there is a single package to install, to turn on all those nice animations? :)
[03:34] <stdin> politik: if you're on nvidia, I'd say use xgl, not aiglx
[03:34] <politik> I'm on ati
[03:34] <wedgeV> stdin: why?
[03:35] <stdin> BluesKaj: you'll get better software support on x86 too
[03:35] <wedgeV> i'm on ati and aiglx doesnt seem to work at all
[03:35] <politik> wedgeV: edgy? that sucks
[03:35] <BluesKaj> politik, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:35] <stdin> wedgeV: that's why I said to use xgl
[03:35] <wedgeV> aiglx requires composite which doesnt work on ati (for me at least)
[03:36] <wedgeV> stdin: yea, but you said use xgl for nvidia
[03:36] <wedgeV> stdin: iirc aixgl works fine on nvidia
[03:36] <BluesKaj> same goes for wedgeV , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:36] <Jucato> anyone here an expert in irssi?
[03:36] <stdin> wedgeV: only with the beta driver from the nvidia download, and it *may* work
[03:36] <wedgeV> i have xgl working fine...
[03:36] <wedgeV> stdin: oh ok! didnt know that
[03:36] <lupine_85> !nvidiabeta
[03:36] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[03:37] <lupine_85> ++ :)
[03:37] <stdin> Jucato: I'm no expert, but maybe I can help
[03:37] <BluesKaj> expert? Jucato ...used it successfully a few times to get X working again
[03:37] <wedgeV> so basically aiglx doesnt work properly for ati and nvidia?
[03:37] <lupine_85> erm
[03:37] <stdin> wedgeV: not with the default nvidia driver, or on any ATI (yet)
[03:37] <Jucato> stdin: would you know how to enable beeping when my name is highlighted/mentioned?
[03:37] <lupine_85> the ati driver and the later nvidia drivers work well with AIGLX
[03:38] <BluesKaj> just type irssi in the terminal and use the irc commands from there
[03:38] <lupine_85> the fglrx driver doesn't work with AIGLX
[03:38] <lupine_85> (technically, none of the nvidia drivers work with aiglx, but let's not go there)
[03:38] <the_hammer> ok guys been a little while since ive ran kubuntu how do i get to the sources list?
[03:38] <wedgeV> lupine_85: to bad only fglrx supports my card
[03:39] <stdin> Jucato: no, not a clue there, I'll have a look at man irssi and see
[03:39] <BluesKaj> the_hammer, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:39] <Jucato> stdin: thanks. I'll have a look to :)
[03:40] <stdin> Jucato: it says nothing, it's only a short man page :(
[03:40] <Jucato> stdin: nah it's ok. thanks anyway
[03:41] <stdin> the_hammer: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list , there is a guide on enabling repositories too
[03:41] <stdin> !repos | the_hammer
[03:41] <ubotu> the_hammer: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:43] <Wulong> How can I disable Prt Scr from ksnapshot?
[03:43] <politik> so there is no working package for ati cards that will do the fancy compositing stuff i keep seeing videos of?
[03:43] <lupine_85> politik: fglrx + Xgl or the Free ati drivers + AIGLX
[03:44] <lupine_85> the former is crap; the latter doesn't support newer graphics cards
[03:44] <politik> the former is crap, eh :/
[03:44] <politik> the latter doesn't seem to support my card
[03:44] <stdin> lupine_85: dose aiglx work with the xorg ati (open) driver ?
[03:44] <politik> already tried that
[03:44] <lupine_85> stdin: yes
[03:45] <stdin> lupine_85: hmm, didn't know that :p
[03:45] <wedgeV> the xorg ati doesnt support any new cards
[03:45] <BluesKaj> politik, you could try this page ...it helped me get  direct rendering with open source ATI driver ..http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[03:45] <wedgeV> at least not 3d
[03:46] <wedgeV> BluesKaj: that fglrx not the ati driver
[03:46] <BluesKaj> it works
[03:46] <wedgeV> yes
[03:46] <wedgeV> but only with XGL
[03:48] <BluesKaj> you want  eye candy , beryl/copmiz ... politik ?
[03:52] <politik> hm, I thought I had fglrx installed correctly, but when I do modprobe fglrx it fails (can't find the fglrx.ko) and lsmod doesn't show fglrx is running either
[03:52] <politik> and locate doesn't find fglrx.ko
[03:53] <BluesKaj> politik, do 'fglrxinfo'
[03:53] <vge> how do i transfer file via ssh shell prompt from my own host to remote host?
[03:54] <politik> BluesKaj: did that, I see the libmesa driver
[03:54] <politik> thats why I'm trying to find the driver to see why it isn't running
[03:54] <LinuxApe> speaking of fglrx:  does anyone know the current version of the driver in the repositories and the version of the ati driver?
[03:55] <wedgeV> i have 8.32.5
[03:55] <vge> anyone?
[03:55] <wedgeV> edgy has 8.26 i think
[03:55] <LinuxApe> wedgeV:  That the ati version?
[03:55] <stdin> vge: use scp
[03:55] <BluesKaj> wedgeV, i think that's the latest vers
[03:55] <wedgeV> LinuxApe: its the latest fglrx from ati
[03:56] <LinuxApe> does anyone have googlearth running under fglrx?
[03:56] <wedgeV> used to work for me
[03:56] <wedgeV> dont have it installed anymore though
[03:56] <stdin> vge: eg: scp /home/user/filename.ext username@remote-server.com:/home/username/filename.ext
[03:56] <LinuxApe> I found that it stopped working:  got to splash screen, cpu usage to 99% and nothing...
[03:57] <astan> hm. are only new versions of packages released to the repos between ubuntu releases if they fix security issues?
[03:57] <vge> stdin: any simple command if im allready connected to the remote host?
[03:58] <stdin> vge: no, not if you're already connected, unless you have ssh server running on your system too?
[03:58] <vge> yes i have
[03:59] <stdin> vge: then just reverse it: scp user@home-server.com:/home/user/filename.ext filename.ext
[03:59] <vge> stdin: heh true, ty
[04:00] <stdin> np :)
[04:00] <eilker> !zorro
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zorro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <eilker> !Zorro
[04:00] <kai_> wasup people
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Zorro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <astan> (and also, if so, how early before a new release are packages in the repo freezed?)
[04:01] <LjL> Zorro the card slot, or Zorro the fictional character?
[04:01] <BluesKaj> yes LinuxApe...use these instructions to get direct rendering for programs like google earth , otherwise it's unstable : http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[04:01] <LjL> i think both are offtopic though :P
[04:01] <kai_> stdin: Wasup, how come I can only mount my Ipdos sometimes? when I plug it sometime the sda2 shows but not all the time
[04:01] <stdin> astan: yes, they are, and they are released as soon as they are fixed
[04:01] <eilker> LjL: i have no idea:) i just downloaded kernel source, and saw it :D
[04:02] <LjL> eilker: Zorro is an Amiga slow - similar to PCI in the way it's used. that's probably what the kernel code is about
[04:02] <LjL> s/slow/slot/
[04:02] <LjL> and no you don't need to enable support for it unless you're on an Amiga
[04:03] <eilker> yeah it was under amiga. it was interesting :)
[04:03] <astan> stdin: okay. so between ubuntu releases, packages in say universe are not upgraded to new versions unless there's security issues with the older version?
[04:03] <stdin> kai_: Hi, I don't know, always works for me. If it doesn't work, take a look at the output of the command "dmesg|tail" and the file /var/log/messages
[04:04] <stdin> astan: hmm, I know they aren't in main, don't know about universe tho, but I think it should be the same
[04:04] <kai_> stdin: its weird come when I ls /dev/sd*
[04:04] <LjL> eilker: yeah it's way better than the PCI kludges we use. but oh well
[04:04] <kai_> kai@kai-laptop:~$ ls /dev/sd*
[04:04] <kai_> /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdb2
[04:04] <stdin> astan: tho you can enable the backports repository to get newer version
[04:04] <kai_> Thats what I get
[04:05] <kai_> the sda ones are no long there
[04:05] <kai_> does it make a diffrnece
[04:05] <astan> stdin: ah. okay. that (in the case of edgy) would bring in packages from feisty?
[04:05] <stdin> kai_: that's what you should get, it shows that the device (ipod) has been recognised as a disk
[04:05] <magnus__> Best Java IDE on Kubuntu. Is it Eclipse?
[04:05] <astan> i'm reading some one the freezing of universe on the MOTU wiki now..
[04:05] <astan> s/one/about/
[04:06] <kai_> so it doesnt matter if its sda or sdb?
[04:06] <eilker> magnus_ : i am not sure for kubuntu but best ide for java is eclipse in my opinion
[04:07] <eilker> LjL: i have no idea for that, i only met with pci and isa :D
[04:07] <stdin> astan: they get created in order, so if I have another USB drive connected, then connect my iPod, it will be sdb, but it don't really matter what they are, as long as you know :p
[04:07] <astan> s/astan/kai_/ ;)
[04:08] <stdin> astan: the backports repo will bring in packages that are in feisty, but tweaked to run on edgy
[04:08] <astan> stdin: okay.
[04:08] <stdin> damn, yeat that one was for you kai_  :p
[04:08] <stdin> sorry bout that astan :p
[04:08] <astan> np at all.
[04:09] <kai_> Ah, ok
[04:09] <kai_> I thought it had to be sda, I think I tried mounting once and it didn't work, I got an invalid file format error or something
[04:09] <astan> hm. the package in question that i'd really like updated before feisty is sqlalchemy, it has version 0.2.8, eventhough 0.3.0 was out at the time of edgy's release.
[04:09] <luca_b> Hello. Anyone knowledgeable enough with the sort (CLI) command?
[04:10] <astan> i guess edgy was in feature freeze by then, because the release of 0.3.0 was only 4 days before edgy.
[04:10] <stdin> kai_: it will be sdX2 you want (where X is any letter really)
[04:10] <stdin> !info sqlalchemy edgy
[04:10] <ubotu> Package sqlalchemy does not exist in edgy
[04:10] <astan> sqlalchemy isn't even in feisty it seems, so no chance of it being in backports.
[04:11] <astan> stdin: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/edgy/python/python-sqlalchemy
[04:11] <stdin> !info python-sqlalchemy edgy
[04:11] <astan> sorry. s/sqlalchemy/python-sqlalchemy/
[04:11] <ubotu> python-sqlalchemy: SQL toolkit and Object Relational Mapper for Python. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8-1 (edgy), package size 446 kB, installed size 3380 kB
[04:11] <stdin> !info python-sqlalchemy feisty
[04:11] <ubotu> python-sqlalchemy: SQL toolkit and Object Relational Mapper for Python. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1 (feisty), package size 194 kB, installed size 976 kB
[04:11] <astan> oh!
[04:12] <stdin> luca_b: ask your question please
[04:12] <astan> there were no matches in feisty when i searched on packages.ubuntulinux.org, so i figured it wasn't there.
[04:12] <astan> ah. duh.
[04:12] <luca_b> stdin: I have a tab-delimited file and I need to sort using a precise column
[04:12] <astan> nevermind i just mis-searched.
[04:12] <stdin> astan: try on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:12] <luca_b> stdin: The problem is the column format itself
[04:12] <kai_> Sweet, thanx
[04:12] <luca_b> otherwise I'd use the + syntax normally
[04:12] <kai_> cus it will mount at the sam spot
[04:13] <stdin> kai_: :)
[04:13] <luca_b> it has a format like number[p|q]  and then a numeric range (e.g. 1p23)
[04:13] <luca_b> I need to sort that so that p comes before q (obviously) and also that the numbers after the letter are in order
[04:14] <luca_b> in a single file, the first number never changes (e.g. it'll always be either 1p or 1q, for example)
[04:14] <astan> ah. well seems no python-sqlalchemy in edgy-backports :/
[04:14] <stefan> when I want to know if is a domain blacklisted on an antispam server where I can find such server?
[04:14] <kai_> stdin: Thanx, I have to get ready for work ;(
[04:14] <kai_> but I got some tunes
[04:14] <luca_b> stefan: Usually the blacklist is indicated in the rejected mail message
[04:14] <stdin> astan: it probably depends on a new version of python or something
[04:15] <stdin> kai_: you're welcome :)
[04:15] <kai_> and I don't have to use intrusiv iTunes
[04:15] <eviljames> If I was looking for a newer driver for my intel video card what sort of package should I be looking for in adept?
[04:15] <stdin> luca_b: huh, that may be a bit advanced for my to work out off the top of my head, try asking it in ##linux or #ubuntu or even #debian :p
[04:16] <LjL> luca_b: grep for "1p" and sort that, then grep for "1q" and sort that, then concatenate the result. that's the first thing that comes to my mind...
[04:16] <stefan> No what I mean, there are different services wich are doing blacklisting and you can ask such server and I forgot which antispam-servers are available
[04:16] <astan> stdin: it should work with 2.4.. do you know what the process if for requesting backporting of a package, or downright doing it yourself?
[04:16] <astan> s/if/is/
[04:16] <stdin> eviljames: you don't need a new one, the one provided by ubuntu is always the latest :)
[04:17] <stdin> astan: you can ask in #ubuntu-devel
[04:17] <luca_b> LjL: Thanks, if it works I'll be happy not to be forced to use oocalc for that
[04:17] <LjL> luca_b: but if you look at the "--key" option in man sort, and then at the paragraph just after the end of the list of options, it looks like you should be able to do that with a single run of sort
[04:17] <astan> stdin: okay. thanks
[04:17] <stdin> np :)
[04:17] <luca_b> LjL: That's what I've been trying, but no avail, apparently, I'll keep on trying, thanks anyway
[04:19] <chuen> Hi . I've just downloaded a the latest version of amarok (directly, using commanline as the latestw wasn't available in the repository)
[04:19] <chuen> How do I locat it to install it?
[04:19] <stdin> luca_b: you may need to hack together a script rather than use one command
[04:19] <stdin> chuen: how did you download it?
[04:20] <chuen> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[04:20] <luca_b> luca_b: I was thinking about that, I may just use python when data are generated (since this is produced by my own code)
[04:20] <stdin> chuen: that's not amarok
[04:20] <wedgeV> hehe
[04:20] <luca_b> whoops, I meant stdin
[04:20] <chuen> Oh.
[04:20] <chuen> Should I try this?
[04:21] <chuen> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144 edgy main
[04:21] <stdin> luca_b: I got the message anyway :)
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> chuen: i believe there is a repository with the latest
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> yep, that's it.
[04:21] <stdin> chuen: is there any reason you need that version ?
[04:21] <chuen> Will that d/load a deb package?
[04:21] <chuen> stdin Yes, I'm having probems with using my iPod Nan and someone recommended I upgrade.
[04:22] <stdin> chuen: you need to put that line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then use adept to update
[04:22] <BluesKaj> try this for amarok ...     deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ edgy main
[04:22] <chuen> Sorry, which line? (Not sure how to do that yet!)
[04:22] <stdin> BluesKaj: amarok 1.4.4 is the latest one
[04:23] <eviljames> stdin: if such is the case, why doesn't my video card work? :)
[04:23] <BluesKaj> copy from deb to main
[04:23] <PhinnFort> stdin: but if you use -latest, you keep updated with the latest;)
[04:23] <eviljames> stdin: I'm trying to use xgl and it's giving me pushback.
[04:23] <stdin> chuen: the line you just posted, "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144 edgy main"
[04:24] <stdin> eviljames: you don't use XGL on intel (well you can, but it's horroble) use AIGLX, I have an intel chip, AIGLX works great
[04:24] <BluesKaj> ok stdin , thx i saved it :)
[04:24] <eviljames> std: thanks for the tip.  AIGLX is enabled directly in xorg.conf, right?  No extra software?
[04:24] <stdin> PhinnFort: I'm on feisty, I am on the latest :p
[04:24] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:24] <PhinnFort> is feisty unstable?
[04:25] <stdin> eviljames: no extra software, but you do need to add a couple things to xorg.conf
[04:25] <PhinnFort> i used to use ~amd64 on gentoo, so i'm used to a few crashes, but i like my desktop to be usable
[04:25] <constantine-xvi> what exactly does lvm do?
[04:25] <eviljames> stdin: You're using an intel chip right now?  8xx?  If so, can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[04:25] <chuen> Is this the one (if I have an AMD processor:
[04:26] <chuen> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144/pool-edgy/amarok-engines_1.4.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:26] <eviljames> stdin: please and thank you :)
[04:26] <PhinnFort> stdin: are you sure?
[04:26] <stdin> eviljames: what version are you runngin? dapper (6.06) or edgy (6.10)
[04:26] <astan> anyone know how i can see which packages depend upon a given package?
[04:26] <eviljames> stdin: edgy
[04:26] <PhinnFort> stdin: i don't have aiglx enabled in xorg.conf, and it works
[04:26] <eviljames> stdin: totally 100% fresh - just installed yesterday.
[04:26] <LjL> luca_b: sort -k1.2,1.2 -k1.3n    seems to work for me (assuming the "1pwhatever" is the only/first field)
[04:27] <stdin> eviljames: then I don't need to paste the file, it's just a cuple line anyway (pluss if I post mine, it may mess with your resolutions), just follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLXOnEdgy
[04:27] <stdin> eviljames: if you get stuck on any part, just ask
[04:27] <constantine-xvi> !lvm
[04:27] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:27] <LjL> astan: "apt-cache rdepends packagename"
[04:28] <LjL> astan: though that'll only show first-order dependencies, i.e. packages that *directly* depend on it. if you also want those that depend on ones that depend (etc), use "--recurse"
[04:28] <PhinnFort> eviljames: have you just tried running beryl/compiz?
[04:28] <PhinnFort> if you have DRI working, there's a big chance aiglx is already working
[04:28] <stdin> PhinnFort: XIGLX isn't enabled by default in edgy
[04:28] <PhinnFort> stdin: AIGLX is;)
[04:29] <luca_b> LjL: I'll try it right now
[04:29] <constantine-xvi> so does LVM amount to software RAID0, more/less?
[04:29] <PhinnFort> i think it's at least one release since you had to explicitly start AIGLX in xorg.conf
[04:29] <stdin> PhinnFort: nope, you need to enable it
[04:29] <PhinnFort> stdin: how?
[04:29] <PhinnFort> you only make sure composite and DRI is working, in that guide you posted
[04:29] <eviljames> PhinnFort: yeah, when I run beryl/compiz my screen turns white and does nothing.
[04:30] <PhinnFort> eviljames: do you have DRI?
[04:30] <stdin> PhinnFort: just add a couple lines
[04:30] <PhinnFort> good fps in games;)
[04:30] <astan> LjL: thanks!
[04:30] <eviljames> PhinnFort: glxinfo tells me that I do.
[04:30] <stdin> PhinnFort: DRI is enabled, just not aiglx (not on by default I mean)
[04:31] <PhinnFort> stdin: but that guide you linked to has no mention of "activating" aiglx
[04:31] <stdin> PhinnFort: this page has the lines you need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLXOnEdgy
[04:31] <luca_b> LjL: I still seem to get a mixture of p and q cases, bah... I think it's a matter of getting the right field (even when supplying --field-separator=\t)
[04:31] <marius_> Hi, I'm running gentoo in a xen DomU and some programs are segfaulting because of tty0 missing. Udev does not seem to create it. If i 'makenod /dev/tty0 c 3 0' everything is OK, how do i get udev to create tty0 for me during bootup?
[04:31] <PhinnFort> stdin: i have it working already, my point;)
[04:31] <stdin> PhinnFort: and what's in your xorg.conf file ?
[04:31] <PhinnFort> marius_: tried #gentoo?
[04:32] <PhinnFort> stdin: it's a nightmare
[04:32] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:32] <marius_> sorry, wrong channel indeed
[04:33] <PhinnFort> stdin: http://rafb.net/p/isOAfT84.html in case you're wondering;)
[04:33] <PhinnFort> Konqueror lags horribly with Beryl running, though
[04:33] <stdin> PhinnFort: all i needed to do was add "Load "dbe" " , put the line " Option  "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" " in the Device section and add the Option "Composite" "Enable to the "Extensions" section, job done :p
[04:33] <PhinnFort> stdin: i didn't need to add anything;)
[04:34] <PhinnFort> but i added a lot later to try and get better performance
[04:34] <astan> okay. so nothing at all depends on python-sqlalchemy, that should make it a pretty good candidate for edgy-backports, eventhough it's a library, right? from 0.2.8 -> 0.3.0 there were quite a few improvements.
[04:34] <LjL> luca_b: then try an awk '{print $fieldnumber}' piped into the sort, to see if that's really the problem
[04:34] <PhinnFort> Xorg is a fantastic piece of engineering
[04:35] <stdin> PhinnFort: how did your xorg.conf file get the "Extensions" section in it, it's not there in edgy
[04:35] <PhinnFort> stdin: afaik, Composite is enabled by default in Edgy
[04:35] <PhinnFort> i did not add it
[04:35] <PhinnFort> and composite =! aiglx
[04:35] <PhinnFort> ergo, aiglx is enabled by default:P
[04:35] <luca_b> LjL: indeed the field is right but it's not sorted, I could use pastebin if needed (it's not really sensitive info, unless you do biology 8P)
[04:36] <stdin> PhinnFort: no it's not, ask in #ubuntu-xgl if you don't beleave me :p
[04:36] <stdin> PhinnFort: it's enabled by default in feisty, but not edgy, that's why there is a guide to enable it :p
[04:36] <LjL> luca_b: yeah if you don't mind... i've tried with just a four-entries little file
[04:36] <luca_b> I have a 6 line file I use for test
[04:36] <luca_b> I'll put it there
[04:37] <JuJuBee> I wish to backup my hd to another partition before updating (just in case).  What is the best / simplest way to do this?  Tar?
[04:37] <JuJuBee> My / part is using 3.3G and I have 36G free on another part.
[04:37] <PhinnFort> stdin: sure it wasn't in dapper?
[04:37] <embrapa> Please some one give me a help ?
[04:37] <PhinnFort> i could swear i didn't add composite to my xorg.conf
[04:37] <PhinnFort> embrapa: yes
[04:38] <luca_b> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/952/
[04:38] <luca_b> this is for the output
[04:38] <luca_b> as for the file
[04:38] <luca_b> I'll upload it in a sec
[04:38] <stdin> PhinnFort: it wan't in dapper, it wasn't even in xorg in dapper, you had to get the module seperatly
[04:38] <PhinnFort> wtf?
[04:38] <PhinnFort> did they use xfree86?
[04:38] <luca_b> LjL: http://www.dennogumi.org/tst.txt (so that the tabs don't get screwed in pastebin)
[04:38] <stdin> PhinnFort: not in dapper, no
[04:38] <PhinnFort> stdin: then what did they use?
[04:39] <embrapa> my kopete dont work
[04:39] <stdin> PhinnFort: xorg
[04:39] <JuJuBee> Anybody help w/ backup?
[04:39] <PhinnFort> embrapa: have you tried running it in a console?
[04:39] <luca_b> LjL: just tell me when you have downloaded it, I'll wipe it
[04:39] <PhinnFort> embrapa: you mean the composite module?
[04:39] <embrapa> PhinnFort: no how i do ?
[04:39] <stdin> PhinnFort: to me?
[04:39] <PhinnFort> embrapa: i think KOnsole is under "System" in the K-Menu
[04:39] <stdin> PhinnFort: and yes, I do
[04:39] <embrapa> PhinnFort: he works but dont conect
[04:39] <PhinnFort> stdin: yea;)
[04:40] <PhinnFort> stdin: or AIGLX?
[04:40] <LjL> luca_b: hm, already shows up as empty
[04:40] <luca_b> LjL: the file?
[04:40] <luca_b> whoops, let me check
[04:40] <PhinnFort> embrapa: do you have an external firewall/router?
[04:40] <LjL> yes
[04:40] <stdin> PhinnFort: yeah, it wasn't in the version of xorg that dapper used
[04:40] <luca_b> LjL: yeah, I uploaded the wrong file eh
[04:40] <luca_b> sorry
[04:41] <embrapa> PhinnFort: i have a proxy
[04:41] <PhinnFort> stdin: Aiglx is still enabled by default, though;)
[04:41] <luca_b> LjL: http://www.dennogumi.org/test.txt
[04:41] <PhinnFort> embrapa: are you sure your proxy supports the instant messaging protocol you use (MSN, AIM, etc.)?
[04:41] <luca_b> PhinnFort: Composite is enabled by default in xorg since 7.1 I believe
[04:41] <stdin> PhinnFort: it isn't! :p
[04:41] <luca_b> and it's an upstream decision, not Ubuntu's AFAIK
[04:41] <embrapa> PhinnFort: no =[
[04:41] <PhinnFort> stdin: then why don't you have to enable it?
[04:42] <stdin> PhinnFort: I do have it enabled, I'm running beryl now :p
[04:42] <LjL> luca_b: got it. but wait, you have decimals in that field too?
[04:42] <PhinnFort> stdin: me too, and i haven't enabled it
[04:42] <PhinnFort> therefore it must be default
[04:42] <PhinnFort> embrapa: can you contact the person responsible for the proxy?
[04:42] <luca_b> LjL: well, somewhat, it's a notation used in cytogenetics, I have to abide by it eh
[04:42] <embrapa> PhinnFort: i have tried to install amsn but i failed...i m new linux user
[04:42] <PhinnFort> administrator, et al?
[04:42] <stdin> luca_b: yes, it's in xorg, but you have to edit xorg.conf to get it working
[04:42] <binks> anyone here good with wine
[04:42] <vge> how do i run shell command on kde start?
[04:42] <embrapa> PhinnFort: he dont link msn lol
[04:42] <stdin> PhinnFort: no, i HAD to enable it :p
[04:42] <binks> http://pastebin.com/855149
[04:43] <vge> what i put in .kde/Autostart?
[04:43] <luca_b> stdin: I had to turn it off explicitly on my laptop or fglrx wouldn't activate 3D
[04:43] <||arifaX> binks: just ask and maybe someon is
[04:43] <luca_b> stdin: (in edgy)
[04:43] <sivaji> ple someone help me to use gambus
[04:43] <PhinnFort> vge: put it in a script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:43] <PhinnFort> stdin: how?
[04:43] <binks> the pastebin i posted is the error i get trying to install pacificpoker
[04:43] <binks> http://pastebin.com/855149
[04:43] <stdin> PhinnFort: by putting the extra lines in xorg.conf, I followed the guide :p
[04:43] <LjL> luca_b: well how do you want the decimals to be sorted?
[04:43] <PhinnFort> embrapa: i suspect the problem is with the proxy, and not your machine
[04:44] <stdin> PhinnFort: they weren't there by default
[04:44] <PhinnFort> stdin: in the guide you only enable explicitly COMPOSITE and GLX
[04:44] <PhinnFort> that's not AIGLX
[04:44] <luca_b> LjL: I just need a sort by the first characters, i.e. 2pXX - the rest that follows can be ignored
[04:44] <stdin> PhinnFort: did you read the URL ? :p
[04:44] <eviljames> stdin: Now I have a question :)  If I use the double buffer extension, X will not fire up for me.
[04:44] <embrapa> PhinnFort: i know that...but why in the windows the messenger works?
[04:44] <PhinnFort> AIGLX uses both, but it's enabled by default
[04:44] <eviljames> Any ideas?
[04:44] <PhinnFort> stdin: yes
[04:44] <embrapa> PhinnFort: which instant messenger i install ?
[04:44] <PhinnFort> embrapa: i think maybe you can "tunnel" through the web protocol
[04:44] <PhinnFort> embrapa: please wait a sec, i'll check it out
[04:45] <stdin> PhinnFort: did you see the part with AIGLXOnEdgy, which is AIGLX On Edgy ??
[04:45] <PhinnFort> stdin: yes, and it only stated things about composite and GLX'y stuff
[04:45] <stdin> PhinnFort: have you looked at the page ?
[04:45] <stdin> PhinnFort: it's nothing to do with XGL
[04:45] <PhinnFort> embrapa: please click on "Settings" -> "Configure"
[04:46] <PhinnFort> stdin: GLX, not XGL
[04:46] <PhinnFort> XGL is a hack to get fancy graphics, GLX is a X extensions to get GL acceleration
[04:46] <PhinnFort> afaik
[04:46] <embrapa> PhinnFort: yes
[04:46] <PhinnFort> in X
[04:46] <stdin> PhinnFort: yes
[04:46] <PhinnFort> embrapa: click on your account and "modify"
[04:46] <stdin> PhinnFort: but that's why you use AIGLX
[04:46] <embrapa> PhinnFort:  yes
[04:47] <Dr_willis> XXXGL gives you better porn.
[04:47] <PhinnFort> Dr_willis: :P
[04:47] <PhinnFort> embrapa: click on "Connection"
[04:47] <Dr_willis> XXL is the size pants you wear after Thanksgiving.
[04:47] <embrapa> yes
[04:47] <PhinnFort> embrapa: and hook on the "Use HTTP method"
[04:47] <||arifaX> binks: ist this the log from setup or after setup when you run it?
[04:47] <PhinnFort> click "OK", "OK"
[04:47] <stdin> eviljames: then don't use them, or take a look at /var/vog/Xorg.0.log and look at lines starting "(EE)" to check for errors with the extentions when you enable them
[04:47] <PhinnFort> and exit kopete, and start it again
[04:48] <binks> thats the setup log
[04:48] <eviljames> std: ooh, I didn't know about the (EE) thanks for that tip! :)
[04:48] <embrapa> conection refused
[04:48] <PhinnFort> embrapa: did you restart Kopete?
[04:48] <eviljames> I've spent HOURS going over xorg.0.logs never really knowing what to hunt for :)
[04:48] <embrapa> PhinnFort: yes
[04:48] <PhinnFort> eviljames: or WW
[04:49] <||arifaX> binks: did you try to run the game afterwards?
[04:49] <PhinnFort> embrapa: you only have one account in Kopete?
[04:49] <stdin> eviljames: no problem, sorry I took to long to reply, was arguing with PhinnFort  :P
[04:49] <eviljames> s'ok my internet connection is being dodgy right now anyways. :)
[04:49] <PhinnFort> eviljames: he lost;)
[04:49] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:49] <eviljames> haha
[04:49] <stdin> PhinnFort: no I didn't
[04:49] <PhinnFort> embrapa: also, check if you can browse the web
[04:49] <PhinnFort> stdin: you did so:P
[04:49] <stdin> PhinnFort: round 2, let's go :P
[04:49] <PhinnFort> stdin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLX
[04:49] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:49] <embrapa> PhinnFort: ok thank you for the atention
[04:50] <stdin> PhinnFort: I know what GLX is
[04:50] <sivaji_> ple someone help me to learn gambas
[04:50] <PhinnFort> embrapa: does it work now
[04:50] <PhinnFort> stdin: can we agree that GLX != AIGLX?
[04:50] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:50] <embrapa> PhinnFort: no
[04:50] <eviljames> It's been said that fights between us nerds are often the most pedantic specifically because of how little is actually at stake :)
[04:50] <Dr_willis> sivaji_2009,  check the gambas homepage for examples/docs?
[04:50] <eviljames> But also are the most heated battles for the same reason
[04:50] <PhinnFort> eviljames: well said
[04:50] <embrapa> PhinnFort: but i will continues browsing
[04:50] <stdin> PhinnFort: yes, AIGLX simply lets you use opengl extentions (GLX) with DRI
[04:51] <PhinnFort> embrapa: did you do exactly as i said
[04:51] <embrapa> PhinnFort: yes
[04:51] <PhinnFort> stdin: stdin: AIGLX
[04:51] <PhinnFort> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
[04:51] <PhinnFort> i mean;)
[04:52] <embrapa> PhinnFort: do you know a easy msn to install ?
[04:52] <embrapa> PhinnFort: like gaim , amsn
[04:52] <stdin> PhinnFort: I wasn't saying which is what, I'm just saying that you have to enable it on the X server, not that it isn't in xorg
[04:52] <PhinnFort> brb
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> embrapa: kopete, it should be there already
[04:54] <stdin> PhinnFort: oh and the 1st line of the wiki page is "Accelerated Indirect GLX ("AIGLX") is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers." whicg is EXACTLY what I said :p
[04:54] <eviljames> Okay, so now I have the dbe module removed and it _seems_ to be running.
[04:54] <eviljames> Any special instructions for beryl-manager?
[04:54] <embrapa> PhinnFort: but it doesnt works
[04:55] <chuen> Hi. I've installed new version of Amarok (using a deb package) , but 3 depenants are missing and cannot be located using adept manager. Is there another solution?
[04:55] <lupine_85> chuen: stop trying to break your system? ;)
[04:55] <stdin> eviljames: beryl manager is a GUI app, it's pretty easy to use
[04:55] <lupine_85> or get the debs from the same place as you got the orig package
[04:56] <eviljames> heh
[04:56] <stdin> eviljames: and here's another help page for you :p https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[04:56] <chuen> I'm not!
[04:56] <eviljames> stdin: I mean special instructions for calling the app, ie: dbus-launch beryl-manager
[04:56] <eviljames> :)
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> 1.4.4 should have about the same dependencies as 1.4.3
[04:56] <embrapa> thank u
[04:56] <embrapa> bye
[04:57] <embrapa> exit
[04:57] <chuen> They are all on my machine except 3.
[04:57] <stdin> chuen: what are the dependencies ?
[04:57] <stdin> (that you can't find)
[04:57] <LjL> luca_b: err, how are you telling sort that Tab is the separator?
[04:57] <luca_b> LjL: --field-separator
[04:57] <luca_b> or -f
[04:57] <eviljames> When calling beryl as a window manager it crashed and took X with it.
[04:57] <eltese> Hi. Im trying to unpack a downloaded file containing a large amount of .rar files. when Im trying to unrar it to get to the file I want ark complains about not having the unrar package or something like that. So I googled around for a bit and foun unrar... But it still doesnt work. Anyone knows the problem?
[04:58] <chuen> libvisual-0.4-0, libtunepimp3, libgl1-mesa-glx
[04:58] <binks> ||arifaX if i run the game by wine pacificpoker.exe it just returns to a promt
[04:58] <LjL> luca_b: yeah, but then what? \t ? (that's -t anyway not -f)
[04:58] <toschi> ciao a tutti
[04:58] <LjL> luca_b: anyway, try       -t $'\t'
[04:58] <LjL> !it | toschi
[04:58] <ubotu> toschi: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:58] <stdin> eltese: you need to install the package "unrar" from the multiverse repository
[04:58] <toschi> sorry
[04:59] <eltese> stdin: and how do I do that? :)
[04:59] <eviljames> stdin: can you post that other doc again?  as I mention beryl crashed and took X with it :(
[04:59] <stdin> !repos | esaym
[04:59] <ubotu> esaym: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:59] <toschi> can I make a quastion?
[04:59] <stdin> eviljames:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[04:59] <luca_b> LjL: ok, trying now
[04:59] <chuen> stdin Should those be on my system?
[05:00] <eviljames> stdin: thanks I'll go over this again and make sure I've done everything ;)
[05:00] <toschi> How can I able gpm in tty1 to make cut paste from tty1 to tty2?
[05:00] <PhinnFort> stdin: you said it wasn't enabled by default, which is not the case
[05:00] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:00] <eviljames> wtf.  now my mouse wheel doesn't work :(
[05:00] <PhinnFort> eviljames: beryl uses it
[05:00] <PhinnFort> prolly
[05:00] <stdin> chuen: it may be easier just to add the repository for amarok
[05:00] <Vluid> :)
[05:00] <luca_b> LjL: it works!
[05:01] <eviljames> beryl's not running anymore it crashed HARD....
[05:01] <LjL> luca_b: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.questions/browse_thread/thread/aa7e9e92ed9285ae/0090e0a29d2276f2?lnk=st&q=sort+separator+tab&rnum=1&hl=en#0090e0a29d2276f2  sort of explains what the problem is (basically, you need to give sort a tab character, but bash doesn't allow you to just hit Tab and get one, and \t isn't translated by bash)
[05:01] <stdin> PhinnFort: how is it enabled by default, if you have to edit xorg.conf to get it wokring? ie with beryl
[05:01] <luca_b> LjL: That's why it never worked. Thanks a lot
[05:01] <LjL> luca_b: but bash has this feature where if you put a string inside $' ' , it does interpret escape codes. see 'man bash' and search for 'escape'
[05:01] <esaym> whats that stdin?
[05:02] <stdin> eviljames: try posting you'r xorg.conf on pastebin, so I can look at it
[05:02] <luca_b> I'm going to paste this into my notes i ncase I forget
[05:02] <stdin> esaym: what's what? :p
[05:03] <eltese> stdin: how do I install from multiverse ?
[05:03] <chuen> stdin - you mean from adept manager?
[05:03] <chuen> stdin: the latest version isn't available there. I treid that first :(
[05:03] <BluesKaj> stdin, I'm still wondering about XGL with direct rendering ... will beryl run on it ?
[05:04] <stdin> chuen: you can put it in adept, yes, or you can add the line manually to /etc/apt/sources.list with "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:04] <stdin> eltese: this page will tell you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:04] <lupine_85> BluesKaj: Xgl with direct rendering will never happen :p
[05:04] <stdin> BluesKaj: XGL will run beryl too yes
[05:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:05] <||arifaX> binks: could be a lot. maybe try to set a different OS with 'winecfg' or check if your wineprefix folder is correct and so on. maybe you read about that error messages at google and make a conclusion of it what could be your problem. for my part I can not help you more than that
[05:05] <chuen> stdin: thx , but not confident enough to add manually yet :) and which 'line' do you mean?
[05:05] <chuen> I guess the worst that could happeni is a syntax error :)
[05:05] <stdin> chuen: add this line to the bottom "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ edgy main"
[05:06] <stdin> chuen: or to adept
 !repos | esaym
[05:06] <esaym> you typed thta
[05:06] <chuen> oh, ok. I'll try in adept first.
[05:06] <BluesKaj> stdin, so it's either XGL with beryl without 3d or , 3d with direct rendering, but not both ?
[05:06] <stdin> esaym: ohh, that makes the bot (ubotu), give you the link to managing repositories
[05:06] <chuen> stdin: where do I add it in adept?
[05:07] <stdin> BluesKaj: XGL is a way to get 3d without DRI
[05:08] <stdin> chuen: in View -> Manage Repositories
[05:08] <stdin> BluesKaj: you need XLG if you have an ATI card or and Nvidia card (and don't use the beta driver)
[05:09] <chuen> stdin: Ah! I'll update and look for it, thx.
[05:09] <stdin> chuen: should be shown as an update for amarok
[05:09] <binks> ||arifaX heers
[05:09] <binks> cheers
[05:09] <BluesKaj> so the fgl_glxgears thingy won't work properly and google earth will suck with beryl installed due to the ATI driver not working with both
[05:10] <chuen> stdin: Yes, it is - I'll go for it. Thx again.
[05:10] <luca_b> stdin: the newest non-beta drivers work (but I don't think they're in edgy)
[05:10] <stdin> chuen: no problem :)
[05:10] <stdin> luca_b: with aiglx?
[05:10] <luca_b> stdin: Well, I run beryl at home with those, so yes
[05:11] <stdin> BluesKaj: probably
[05:11] <luca_b> stdin: The beta drivers you mentioned were released then as full versions a month later
[05:11] <stdin> luca_b: so you have aiglx not xgl on the non-beta driver from nvidia download?
[05:11] <BluesKaj> well i tried beryl , but had no luck with it ...just a black scrn
[05:12] <luca_b> stdin: I used Alberto Milone's repository to upgrade
[05:12] <luca_b> stdin: and yes, it is non beta
[05:12] <chuen> stdin: Amarok has 'BREAk upgrade' when I try.
[05:12] <stdin> luca_b: ahh, didn't know they were released :p
[05:12] <luca_b> stdin: now I have parts of beryl crashing on me, so I don't use it that often 8P
[05:13] <stdin> chuen: what version is installed now?
[05:14] <stdin> !info amarok dapper
[05:14] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[05:14] <stdin> chuen: ok, change the line to "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143/ dapper main"
[05:15] <stdin> chuen: then update adept again, and try and get the amarok update
[05:15] <chuen> stdin. ok will do.
[05:18] <chuen> stdin: still get 'BREAK'.
[05:18] <stdin> chuen: what error is it when you try "sudo apt-get install amarok" in konsole ?
[05:19] <chuen> stdin: Hevn't tried using Konsole yet - will do now.
[05:20] <chuen> stdin: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:20] <chuen> stdin: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:20] <stdin> chuen: you have to close adept firse
[05:20] <stdin> *first
[05:20] <chuen> Doh!
[05:21] <balint> hi again. it took a few crashes to set the resolution to what i wanted to :)
[05:21] <sivaji_2009> is there any tool to dev visual c++ in kde
[05:21] <chuen> stdin:"Some packages could not be installed."
[05:22] <chuen> stdin: shall I eloborate?
[05:22] <stdin> chuen: use pastebin to show the whole output
[05:22] <chuen> stdin: I'm new (you guessed!( pastebin?
[05:22] <stdin> !pastebin | chuen
[05:22] <ubotu> chuen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:22] <stdin> :)
[05:23] <balint> stdin: so, after the crashes finally its set:) can we discuss now the nvidia problem?
[05:23] <chuen> stidin ok the bot told me
[05:23] <sivaji_2009> stdin ple tell me is there any tool to dev visual c++ in kde
[05:23] <hanso>  hey. always when I install packages I get a message saying that "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server :0.0. what can be wrong?
[05:23] <stdin> balint: ok, I guess so :p
[05:23] <balint> :)
[05:23] <stdin> sivaji_2009: I don't know of one, try searching adept
[05:24] <balint> so, is there an alternat mode to install the driver, so that it dont crash?
[05:24] <sivaji_2009> ok
[05:24] <stdin> hanso: how are you installing the packages ?
[05:24] <stdin> balint: have you looked at the help page for installing the nvidia driver?
[05:25] <balint> yes and i did the way as there was written... they said to write into xorg the nvidia isntead of nv
[05:26] <stdin> balint: did you install the driver first ?
[05:27] <hanso> stdin: by using Adept Manager
[05:27] <chuen> stdin: Done (I think!)
[05:27] <stdin> hanso: how are you starting adept then?
[05:27] <hanso> stdin: but I got the error when trying to compile from code also
[05:27] <stdin> chuen: you have to give me the link :p
[05:27] <dromer> hmm, anybody here using electricsheep ?
[05:28] <balint> stdin: you mean the apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[05:28] <dromer> I just tryed it on my dapper install, but I'm getting some kind of server error
[05:28] <chuen> stdin: Doh! (again) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/956/
[05:28] <stdin> balint: yeah, and the restricted modules package
[05:29] <hanso> stdin: kdesu adept_manager
[05:29] <balint> the restricted packages were already installed, at least the console said that
[05:29] <eviljames> when I launch beryl from beryl-manager it crashes and takes X with it.  anyone know where that crash output would be?
[05:30] <chuen> stdin: just noticed adept updater alert was still active :( Sorry. Will try aagain
[05:30] <stdin> hanso: use the menu entry in the Kmenu
[05:31] <hanso> I use that. but "kdesu adept_manager" is the command of that entry
[05:31] <stdin> eviljames: /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably, or Xorg.1.log if you started X again after
[05:31] <stdin> hanso: ahh
[05:32] <stdin> hanso: dose it stop you installing ?
[05:32] <Arvid> where can I find "module-assistant". I don't sem to have it, and can\t find it in the package manager
[05:32] <stdin> !module-assistant
[05:32] <ubotu> module-assistant: tool to make module package creation easier. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.6 (edgy), package size 78 kB, installed size 404 kB
[05:33] <stdin> Arvid: you need to enable the universe repository to get it
[05:33] <hanso> stdin: no. but the compilation from code stopped. and also using KDevelop stops compiling with that error...
[05:33] <Arvid> stdin: hmm - I thought I did. but I guess I'll try again
[05:33] <stdin> hanso: are you running KDevelop as root ?
[05:34] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/957/
[05:34] <stdin> Arvid: and make sure you use "Fetch Updates" in adept after you enable it
[05:35] <balint> stdin: so console sais that the newest restricted packages are already installed
[05:35] <stdin> chuen: hmm, ok, lets try another one
[05:35] <Arvid> stdin: aha ' I'll guess that\s the problem
[05:35] <stdin> chuen: "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-142/ dapper main"
[05:35] <chuen> stdin: OK, I'll try that one.
[05:36] <stdin> balint: did you then run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ?
[05:36] <hanso> stdin: no, don't think so. what i the %u tag in the command?
[05:36] <politik> anyone know why /dev/dri/card0 wouldn't be showing up if I'm using fglrx? :/
[05:37] <politik> I assume I need to load some module that creates that file
[05:37] <stdin> hanso: that's just to do with the title of the window
[05:37] <balint> yes
[05:38] <balint> so the driver was working, i even seen an nvidia logo on the screen sometimtes
[05:38] <chuen> stdin: Still get "BEAK" :(
[05:38] <fxr> #beryl
[05:38] <chuen> "BREAK" :)
[05:38] <stdin> hanso: try asking in #ubuntu about that error, I don't know why it would show if you aren't root
[05:39] <hanso> stdin: it should not show if I'm not root?
[05:39] <stdin> chuen: run this command for me "apt-cache policy amarok"
[05:39] <ted_> how do I make "tree view" standard view?
[05:39] <stdin> chuen: and show the output on pastebin
[05:39] <chuen> stdin: OK
[05:40] <stdin> hanso: no as far as I know, but ask in #ubuntu too, I don't know how to help there
[05:40] <ted_> uhm.. anybody knows?
[05:40] <stdin> ted_: View -> View Mode -> Icon View
[05:40] <hanso> stdin: okey. thanx
[05:41] <stdin> np
[05:41] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/959/
[05:41] <balint> stdin: may i try install the glx again, and the restricted things again, and enable the config again?
[05:41] <ricardo_> hi everybody...which server do u use in aMule?
[05:41] <ted_> stdin but when I choose tree view and close the window and start a new one its in icon view again...
[05:41] <stdin> balint: yeah, use "sudo apt-get --reinstall install" where it says "sudo apt-get install" ok :)
[05:42] <balint> stdin: (another thing that poor adept manager is not starting :) it started once, but after i quit it it doesnt wants to run again:( it askes for my password, but after that nothing happens :) )
[05:43] <balint> stdin: just type -reinstall between apt-get and install?
[05:43] <stdin> ted_: you need to edit a file for that, change "ViewMode=konq_iconview" to "ViewMode=konq_treeview" in ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[05:44] <ted_> ah :) thanks! ure an angel :D
[05:44] <stdin> balint: yeah
[05:44] <stdin> ted_: nope, just know a thing or two :)
[05:45] <balint> stdin: and what should i do about this "adept does not appeaers" thing? i wanted to install superkaramba, but from console it sais that another process is using something
[05:46] <||arifaX> stdin: I don't have ViewMode in my konquerorrc?
[05:46] <stdin> ||arifaX: it's on line 140 in mine
[05:46] <stdin> balint: try this "sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[05:46] <||arifaX> stdin: I have only 80 :(
[05:47] <stdin> ||arifaX: mine is 182 lines
[05:47] <||arifaX> crazy
[05:47] <chuen> stdin: Back in 5 mins.
[05:47] <stdin> ||arifaX: are you sure it's the one in ~/.kde/ahare/config ?
[05:48] <||arifaX> yep
[05:48] <sivaji> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." frequently i get this error report what shall i do ple tell me
[05:48] <stdin> ||arifaX: well you should hust be able to just add it
[05:49] <balint> stdin: what does that do?
[05:49] <||arifaX> stdin: can u paste the line?
[05:49] <stdin> ||arifaX: ViewMode=konq_treeview
[05:49] <stdin> balint: it should kill the process using that file
[05:50] <balint> ok
[05:50] <||arifaX> stdin: which section or just paste in?
[05:51] <stdin> ||arifaX: under "[MainView Settings] "
[05:51] <stdin> sivaji: in what app? adept?
[05:51] <balint> stdin: thx, it worked, now adept is running again! :D
[05:51] <sivaji> adept
[05:51] <stdin> balint: :)
[05:52] <stdin> sivaji: open konsole and run this: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:52] <stdin> sivaji: and tell me what happens
[05:52] <||arifaX> stdin: worked but wondering why I did not even have the section. do you know a parameter to make the tree always available on the left side?
[05:53] <balint> stdin: and do i always have to use this fuser command, whenever a process is not starting?
[05:53] <stdin> ||arifaX: no, to be honest I just ran this to find that setting "grep -i view .kde/share/config/konquerorrc"
[05:53] <sivaji> Setting up libkdegames-doc (3.5.2-0ubuntu3) ...
[05:53] <sivaji> cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdegames-rc1-apidocs/.dhelp': No such file or directory
[05:53] <sivaji> dpkg: error processing libkdegames-doc (--configure):
[05:53] <sivaji>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[05:53] <sivaji> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:53] <sivaji>  libkdegames-doc
[05:53] <stdin> balint: only if adept isn't starting
[05:54] <balint> stdin: ok
[05:54] <sivaji> stdbin wat should i do
[05:55] <stdin> sivaji: try doing this first "sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdegames-rc1-apidocs/"
[05:55] <ted_> stdin uhm sorry to bother you again, but "ViewMode" doesnt exist in the file :(
[05:55] <stdin> sivaji: then run the dpkg command again
[05:55] <balint> stdin: bye bye, have to go :D but u will see me soon :D i wont let you relax :D
[05:55] <stdin> ted_: it's ok, do you see  "[MainView Settings] "
[05:55] <frojnd> !xgl
[05:55] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:55] <stdin> balint: ok, give me a break :p
[05:56] <stdin> balint: cya later :)
[05:56] <balint> stdin: :D ok :D you got one hour :D
[05:56] <balint> stdin: Cya
[05:56] <sivaji> stdbin it's normal now that does p stand for
[05:56] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech,!
[05:56] <sivaji> what
[05:56] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Hey hey
[05:56] <ted_> stdin nope :)
[05:56] <sivaji> hi blueskaj
[05:57] <frojnd> whym when I try to connect on my linux PC. with windows (putty ->ssh) it apperas note: connection refused!
[05:57] <frojnd> I use default port: 20
[05:57] <soulrider> !info fluxkeys
[05:57] <ubotu> Package fluxkeys does not exist in any distro I know
[05:57] <BluesKaj> hi sivaji
[05:57] <stdin> sivaji: -p means "parents", so it will create all the directories above it too
[05:57] <soulrider> !info w3m
[05:57] <sivaji> less what does it do?
[05:57] <ubotu> w3m: WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support. In component main, is standard. Version 0.5.1-4ubuntu2.6.10 (edgy), package size 1059 kB, installed size 1820 kB
[05:58] <ted_> stdin nope. many other headings though
[05:58] <stdin> ted_: ok, add "[MainView Settings] " then on a new line add "ViewMode=konq_treeview"
[05:58] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, I just want to be straight on this matter ..which ATI driver do I need to run compiz/beryl ?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> fglrx
[05:59] <sivaji> "less" is it similar to sudo
[05:59] <stdin> !less | sivaji
[05:59] <ubotu> less: Pager program similar to more. In component main, is important. Version 394-2 (edgy), package size 105 kB, installed size 264 kB
[06:00] <fairman> Hi, how can i switch resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768 during work?
[06:00] <andreasw> less is more than more
[06:00] <andreasw> ^^
[06:01] <sivaji> andreasw say clearly what is the use of command "less"
[06:01] <stdin> !xconfig | fairman
[06:01] <ubotu> fairman: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[06:02] <andreasw> sivaji: read what ubotu said
[06:02] <chuen> stdin: OK, I'm back now. Did you get a chance to look at te pastebin?
[06:02] <BluesKaj> ok , I have these : xorg-driver-fglrx , xorg-driver-fglrx-dev , xorg-xserver-video-ati ,ATI binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.17-10-386, plus the sources...now what do I need to do to run beryl ?
[06:02] <stdin> chuen: which one ?
[06:03] <sivaji> what is "more" when should i use this ?
[06:03] <lethor> hello sorry for my english I'm spanish
[06:03] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/959/
[06:03] <andreasw> sivaji: it is the same like less but you can't scroll up
[06:03] <stdin> sivaji: use 'man more' and 'man less' to read about them
[06:03] <Lam_> i originally split my drive into /home and / partitions, but now i want to merge the two without reformatting the hard drive. how do i go about doing that?
[06:03] <lethor> anyone knoen how to install lexmark X1130 in kubuntu 64 bits
[06:03] <BluesKaj> !es| lethor
[06:03] <ubotu> lethor: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:04] <lethor> ok thanks
[06:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> is there always a lack of mouse in kubuntu? or linux in general...
[06:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> im cursorless
[06:04] <stdin> chuen: run "sudo apt-get update" then that command again
[06:04] <cjoslin> does anyone know what irc channel and room would be good for auto repair?
[06:05] <cjoslin> *server and channel i mean
[06:05] <BluesKaj> google auto repair on IRC :)
[06:05] <ted_> stdin worked now, thanks again :)
[06:06] <stdin> ted_: :)
[06:06] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Have you asked in #ubuntu-xgl ?
[06:06] <chuen> stdin: ok
[06:07] <frojnd> other command for gksudo is?
[06:07] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: what do you mean "a lack of mouse" ?
[06:07] <BluesKaj> no DaSkreech, guess i should eh :)
[06:07] <stdin> frojnd: kdesu
[06:07] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: i have no cursor visible
[06:08] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: what type of mouse is it?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: That's mostly what they do there . Would be an insult not to ask them :)
[06:08] <BluesKaj> hehe
[06:08] <frojnd> gksudo gedit /usr/bin/startxgl.sh for kubuntu will be?
[06:08] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: serial, PS/2 ?
[06:08] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: the mouse doesnt mjatter lol its the cursor on-screen that only appears when its "busy". rest of the time its invisible. that normal?
[06:08] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/963/
[06:08] <frojnd> I am installing XGL through: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[06:09] <stdin> frojnd: kdesu kate /usr/bin/startxgl.sh
[06:09] <frojnd> aah :)
[06:09] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: not in X no
[06:10] <frojnd> and Kubuntu edgy have KDE and not gnome (I know newbie q)
[06:10] <frojnd> has*
[06:10] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin there should be a mouse?
[06:10] <stdin> chuen: did you leave the other sources in?
[06:10] <lecci> hi, i can t display character like e' a'...
[06:10] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin sorry cursor
[06:11] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: unless I'm seeing a cursor shaped fly on my monitor, yes
[06:11] <chuen> stdin: Not sure what you mean.
[06:11] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin thought something was wrong lol. know how to get to any kind of config screen for such?
[06:12] <frojnd> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/startxgl.sh for kubuntu?
[06:12] <stdin> chuen: did you remove "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ edgy main" ?
[06:12] <stdin> frojnd: the same
[06:12] <frojnd> k
[06:13] <chuen> stdin: No, shall I do that?
[06:13] <frojnd>  Now we'll add an option to the gnome login manager so that we can choose to log into our new Xgl-gnome session. Create an Xsession file like so:
[06:13] <frojnd>     *
[06:13] <JuJuBee> Can somebody help me with a wireless question.  I had to replace a linksys WMP54G v.4 with a v.4.1 card and it does not work.  How do I update drivers for new card?
[06:13] <frojnd> is this also for edgy?
[06:14] <stdin> chuen: YES :p or it will still use it, and the highest version it finds, which wont work for you, I guess I didn't explain it before :p
[06:14] <chuen> sdin: I guess it's obvious _ I'm being a little slow here :)
[06:15] <stdin> frojnd: yes, same for edgy and kubuntu edgy there
[06:15] <stdin> chuen: I should have explained that you needed to
[06:17] <JuJuBee> Can anybody tell me where to start with my wireless question
[06:17] <chuen> stdin: Amarok status is 'installed' now - shall I do that cmd line query again?
[06:17] <stdin> !wifi
[06:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:17] <stdin> chuen: yes please :)
[06:18] <TurnTheOtherWay> i like that bot lol
[06:18] <JuJuBee> stdin : thanks.
[06:18] <stdin> the bot saves me a lot of copy and pasting :p
[06:18] <TurnTheOtherWay> !cursor
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cursor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <TurnTheOtherWay> nut doesnt know everything lol :p
[06:18] <TurnTheOtherWay> *but
[06:18] <JuJuBee> Do I need to rebuild the kernel to install newer drivers or something along those lines?
[06:19] <TurnTheOtherWay> the info should be on the page?
[06:19] <stdin> JuJuBee: no
[06:19] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: can you move the cursor at all (when you see it) ?
[06:19] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/966/
[06:20] <BluesKaj> wow ..fast response over at #ubuntu-xgl...it's only been 10mins
[06:20] <stdin> chuen: ok now add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-142/ dapper main" to the sources
[06:21] <TurnTheOtherWay> yes, when i see it its on what i assume is the "busy" mouse state, it works fine, but when its not doing anything and is in the normal (windows)"arrow" state its just invisible
[06:21] <osoh> hi all
[06:21] <chuen> stdin: one sec.
[06:21] <TurnTheOtherWay> sorry make that a little easier perhaps.... stdin: >	yes, when i see it its on what i assume is the "busy" mouse state, it works fine, but when its not doing anything and is in the normal (windows)"arrow" state its just invisible
[06:24] <chuen> stdin: It's now upgradable - shall I go ahead?
[06:24] <JuJuBee> stdin : One problem is that when I install the card and startup it hangs on Configuring network interfaces.
[06:24] <chuen> I don't thin it's the most recent version though.
[06:24] <stdin> chuen: yes
[06:25] <stdin> chuen: it's not, but it's the most recent one you can install
[06:25] <frojnd> I am now in XGL  sesion..
[06:25] <frojnd> how can I change desktop
[06:25] <chuen> stdin: Ah, OK. Done now.
[06:25] <frojnd> or "role the cube"
[06:26] <BluesKaj> roll, fgl_glxgears
[06:26] <chuen> stdin: Ok, that's updated now.
[06:26] <HailandKill> !icu
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <stdin> chuen: yay :p
[06:27] <stdin> chuen: hope it works now ;)
[06:28] <HailandKill> I'm trying to install ICU (http://icu.sourceforge.net) but during the make install it exits on an error 1 complaining that it cannot remove a folder seeing as the permission is denied. I'm running it with sudo, why would permission be denied?
[06:28] <chuen> stdin, UM, it did before I ineterfered :) The idea was to upgrade to 1.4.4 because that's the version tha 'fully' supports iPods :)
[06:28] <[Amigo] > Any body use dund or pund? Wanna create router computer <> nokia .
[06:29] <stdin> chuen: but maybe 1.4.2 works better than the desault
[06:30] <frojnd> sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde<-for ubuntu...  What's the kubuntu compiz for kde package name?
[06:30] <chuen> stdin: OK I'll give it a whirl - your help MUCH appreciated. I'm learning :)
[06:30] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: try changing the mouse theme, open it wit Alt-F2 "kcmshell mouse" and use tab to ctrl-tab to change to the cursor theme tab, then try and use tab and the arrow keys to change it
[06:30] <chuen> stdin: Gotta get dinner - ttyl.
[06:30] <stdin> chuen: no problem :)
[06:30] <stdin> chuen: later :)
[06:31] <stdin> frojnd: compiz-kde ?
[06:32] <stdin> frojnd: fyi: if yo can't get compiz installed, there's always beryl, which I've found to be easy to install
[06:32] <frojnd> stdin: no edgy doesn't have it
[06:32] <stdin> ahh, then use beryl
[06:32] <frojnd> yes but compiz is currently more stable..
[06:35] <stdin> frojnd: there is another apt source I found for edgy
[06:35] <stdin> frojnd: try using "deb http://gandalfn.club.fr/ubuntu edgy dev"
[06:36] <stamen> hi
[06:36] <stamen> how can I watch matroshka video files
[06:36] <frojnd> lemme check
[06:36] <frojnd> matroshka?
[06:37] <stamen> .mkv
[06:37] <Dr_willis> i watch them all the time stamen
[06:37] <Dr_willis> mplayer, vlc, ext.. about all the players i got can play them
[06:37] <stamen> with what
[06:38] <stamen> they crash on my mashine
[06:38] <Dr_willis> i cant think of anything that i cant play them in. :)
[06:38] <HailandKill> !ICU
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ICU - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <stamen> what codec I must download
[06:38] <Dr_willis> NOW you are changing the question/problem. :) thats not allowed.. *kidding*
[06:38] <stamen> it starts, and after 5 secs stops
[06:38] <Dr_willis> ive just installed the w32codec pack from the mplayer or other sites.
[06:38] <stdin> stamen: try this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[06:38] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[06:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:39] <soulrider> hey, does anyone know what i can use to open a CHM file? Its an eBook
[06:39] <stamen> ok
[06:39] <stamen> I will try them
[06:39] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  thats a ms 'help' file i belive.
[06:39] <stamen> 10x
[06:39] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  and there are converters for them i think
[06:39] <stamen> bye to all
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !find chm
[06:39] <ubotu> Found: fetchmail, archmbox, fetchmailconf, gnochm, kchmviewer (and 10 others)
[06:39] <stdin> soulrider: that's a microsoft HTML help file iirc
[06:39] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  kchmviewer seems a good hit. :)
[06:39] <soulrider> kchmviewer i guess
[06:39] <soulrider> yeah
[06:41] <matthias> hi
[06:42] <matthias> currently i'm searching for a package...its a program for kdm to set the kdm theme from within the kcontrol
[06:42] <matthias> but i dont know whats the name of the tool
[06:42] <stdin> hmm
[06:42] <stdin> !theme
[06:42] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:43] <soulrider> kchmviewer works like charm! :D
[06:43] <stdin> !changethemes
[06:43] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[06:43] <sebbar> hey guys what's the konsole command to go back to the previous directory?
[06:43] <soulrider> matthias: you can change the theme with thats installed by default i believe
[06:43] <stamen> Dr_willis: I have installed the codecs
[06:43] <stdin> sebbar: cd ..
[06:43] <stamen> and when I start the movie, mplayer tells : Seek failed
[06:43] <stdin> sebbar: or: cd -
[06:44] <stdin> sebbar: depending what you mean
[06:44] <stamen> is it possible to be corupt video file
[06:44] <Dr_willis> stamen,  could be the video file is bad.. or its got some odd codec its using.. try running mplayer from the shell and see if any detailed info messages show up
[06:44] <sebbar> stdin: cd - was what I was looking for, tnx
[06:44] <stdin>  np :)
[06:44] <stamen> ok
[06:45] <aakarsh> how to install an application so that it appears in the K Menu?
[06:45] <stdin> stamen: in konsole what dose "file /path/to/file.mkv" show (where /path/to/file.mkv is the actual path to the .mkv file)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> aakarsh,  depends on the app. if using the packages managers/debs it should put an icon in there somewhere.
[06:46] <stdin> aakarsh: right click the kmenu, and choose "menu editor", if you installed an application, but don't see it in the kmenu, you may just need to logout and back in
[06:47] <stamen> Dr_willis: Your system is too SLOW to play this! ?????
[06:47] <Dr_willis> aakarsh,  if building from source it may not. use one of the kde menu editors.
[06:47] <yelonek> Dr_willis: how do i put OODraw shortcut to menu /?
[06:47] <aakarsh> firefox is installed but does not show in k console
[06:47] <Dr_willis> stamen,  try making sence .......
[06:47] <yelonek> i tried ooffice -draw % U
[06:47] <stamen> my CPU is Pentuium 4 on 2.66Ghz is it slow???
[06:47] <stamen> how to make this sence
[06:47] <Dr_willis> stamen,  you have installed the video card drivers for your system?
[06:47] <stdin> aakarsh: you may just need to logout and back in, it's under Internet in the kmenu
[06:47] <stamen> yes
[06:47] <stamen> nvidia
[06:48] <stamen> and all is working, the glx is working perfectrly
[06:48] <Dr_willis> stamen,  interesting.. id say test with some other video files.
[06:48] <stamen> one moment, I will test now
[06:48] <Dr_willis> also try testing out other video players.
[06:48] <Dr_willis> I like vlc a lot.
[06:49] <stdin> you may be able to use the "file" command to see what format the video is in
[06:49] <Dr_willis> or perhaps right click on it and properties? i think ivd seen video file info in there somewhere...
[06:49] <aakarsh> thaaanks
[06:49] <aakarsh> thanks
[06:50] <stdin> :)
[06:50] <stdin> Dr_willis: maybe, but "file" sometimes gives a codec used
[06:51] <Dr_willis> woa... i right click on a video.. properties -- theres a preview tab.. :) never seen that befor
[06:51] <stdin> heh :P
[06:51] <stamen> Dr_willis: the other file is .avi and it is HTDTV too
[06:51] <stamen> and works perfectrly
[06:51] <stamen> but this .mkv crashesh
[06:52] <Dr_willis> stamen,  well that leads it to being either that file currupted... or.. some really weird issue.. id say find another .mkv to test
[06:52] <olivier_> I have installed VMWare through Adept but now I dont know how to start it
[06:52] <Dr_willis> olivier_,  you mean the vmware client?
[06:52] <olivier_> the player
[06:53] <Dr_willis> right clent/player.. try typing 'vmware' at a terminal?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i always install the vmware-server myself.
[06:53] <verzonnen> any one here using an "ASUS ATI radeon v9520x"?
[06:53] <stamen> Dr_willis: ok
[06:54] <olivier_> wmware command not found
[06:54] <stamen> Dr_willis: I will search later
[06:54] <stamen> Dr_willis: 10x for the help, bye
[06:54] <Dr_willis> !vmware
[06:54] <ubotu> vmware is VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[06:54] <olivier_> ok thx
[06:54] <stdin> olivier_: it should be under Utilities
[06:54] <Dr_willis> olivier_,  try 'vmware' :) not wmware
[06:55] <olivier_> i type vm I made a typo in here
[06:55] <Dr_willis> im suppised theres not a wiki page for it.
[06:55] <verzonnen> friend of mine is getting a kernel panick when booting
[06:55] <stdin> Dr_willis, olivier_ : I think the cammand is actually: vmware-player
[06:55] <Dr_willis> sounds liek a job for......... someone elese...
[06:55] <ted_> okay. ive downloaded this really cool theme in .tar.bz2-format, how to change to it?
[06:55] <Dr_willis> i was about to suggest vm<tab>
[06:55] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:55] <stdin> !theme | ted_
[06:55] <ubotu> ted_: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:55] <ted_> ah
[06:56] <Dr_willis> ted_,  themes can be a bit 'complex' under kde.
[06:56] <ted_> thanks :)
[06:56] <Dr_willis> ted_,  what exactly is it a theme for?
[06:56] <stdin> and also:
[06:56] <stdin> !changethemes
[06:56] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[06:56] <ted_> yea, ive noticed :) uhm.. its for windows and bars and stuff :)
[06:57] <dwidmann> for themes in kde, press alt + f2, type in kcontrol, go to appearances -> themes
[06:57] <frojnd> is nvidia fx5500 gnome or kde graphic card :o
[06:58] <adaptr> frojnd: neither ; it only works in Windows ME
[06:58] <frojnd> :)
[06:58] <stdin> frojnd: that question doesn't make sense :p
[06:58] <frojnd> no seriously
[06:58] <frojnd> GNOME & Nvidia graphics card
[06:59] <frojnd> and than there are instruction for script...
[07:00] <stdin> frojnd: that's probably for if you have gnome and that card, the card isn't a gnome or kde card. because it's a graphics card
[07:01] <olivier_> can anybody tell me what this means? :
[07:01] <olivier_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:01] <olivier_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> !adept crash fix | olivier_
[07:01] <ubotu> olivier_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:02] <frojnd> exec gnome-session
[07:02] <frojnd> For KDE, change the last line to
[07:02] <frojnd> exec startkde
[07:02] <frojnd> well I have edgy and nvidia
[07:03] <stdin> frojnd: Kubuntu = KDE
[07:03] <ooda> Good day mates... :)
[07:03] <frojnd> should i left the last line (exec gnome-session) as it is or change it to exec startkde ?
[07:03] <frojnd> stdin thy :)
[07:03] <stdin> :)
[07:03] <frojnd> shame of me I know..
[07:03] <joern> hi,
[07:04] <olivier_> /bin/sh: !adept: not found
[07:04] <olivier_> /bin/sh: olivier_: not found
[07:04] <stdin> hi, welcome to #kubuntu
[07:04] <stdin> olivier_: run this "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:05] <olivier_> What is that supose to do?
[07:05] <ooda> All American Windows Hater here... I have a question.
[07:05] <ooda> I downloaded firefox but iam having trouble installed
[07:05] <stdin> olivier_: that will get rid of that error you had
[07:05] <Hawkwind> olivier_: It will unlock your database
[07:06] <stdin> ooda: install it from adept
[07:06] <joern> i have a question , i have installed kubuntu, on a second harddisk. on the other one is windows installed. i can mount the windows harddisk. but know i want a standart mount after start up  can someone help?
[07:06] <stdin> !ntfs
[07:06] <olivier_> it worked but now it says it cant find the database in E:
[07:06] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:06] <stdin> joern: that link will tell you how
[07:06] <Dr_willis> joern,  theres some detailed sites on ntfs mounting and stuff.. that url is good.. this next one is also a must read/bookmark
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[07:07] <Dr_willis> joern,  its worth reading/learning how linux 'mounts' things.
[07:07] <joern> stdin: thank you
[07:07] <joern> i will look
[07:07] <stdin> no problem :)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> now WRITING to ntfs drives... scares me. :)
[07:08] <stdin> heh, I killed windows off this pc a long time ago
[07:08] <joern> Dr_willis what dos "scares" mean ?
[07:08] <joern> my english is not so good ;-)
[07:08] <stdin> frightens
[07:09] <joern> ah...
[07:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:09] <joern> ok i only want to read :-)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> luckly  i can read/wrte to my ext2/3 drives from windows.
[07:09] <stdin> joern: are you german?
[07:09] <ooda> stdin, where can i find out more info how to install using adept?
[07:10] <yelonek> [19:09]  [Whois]  joern is n=joern@pD9E726D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (Jrn M)
[07:10] <joern> how? i have tested but i have no luck
[07:10] <yelonek> ;)
[07:10] <stdin> joern: there is a kubuntu channel in german here #kubuntu-de
[07:10] <Dr_willis> !adept
[07:10] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:10] <stdin> !adept | ooda
[07:10] <ubotu> ooda: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:10] <yelonek> ooda: in console: man apt-get
[07:10] <joern> yes i'm german ...
[07:10] <stdin> yelonek: not good for a new user
[07:10] <ooda> thanks mates :)
[07:11] <stdin> joern: anyway, if you need help in german, you can join #kubuntu-de for german help
[07:11] <yelonek> !de
[07:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:12] <dwidmann> Hmm, and stdin is still around 12 hours later :O
[07:12] <stdin> dwidmann: mate, I never sleep :p
[07:12] <dwidmann> I noticed.
[07:13] <dwidmann> I was wakeful for 18 hours, and I slept for 6. For some reason my body insisted on getting up before 1.
[07:13] <sleepy843> is there a way to configure the cable connection to my computer in kubuntu dapper 6.06?
[07:14] <sleepy843> the download speed isn't what it should be
[07:14] <dwidmann> sleepy843, that's probably up to your isp
[07:15] <dwidmann> try the address 192.168.1.1 or similar, as well as 192.168.0.1(commonly the router)
[07:15] <dwidmann> in a browser, that is
[07:15] <sleepy843> ok
[07:15] <sleepy843> !repository
[07:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:16] <yeti> hello
[07:16] <chills> hey guys i got the cd ... i got 128 ram i boot it up .. n when i click on install nothing happenss.. :(
[07:17] <magnus__> Have problem with playing a mpeg (xvid?!?!)in xine. Any advice what to do ...
[07:17] <ultralinux> ola
[07:17] <ooda> just installed fireFox. Is there any good downloads i should try form adept?
[07:17] <stdin> !mpeg | magnus__
[07:17] <ubotu> magnus__: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:18] <chills> anyone ?
[07:18] <stdin> chills: what do you mean "nothing happend" ?
[07:18] <chills> like no install thinggy opened nothing
[07:18] <blackflag> !sudoers
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <dwidmann> It might be in libxine-extracodecs, the xvid decoder, that is
[07:18] <yeti> Is there some french people hear?
[07:18] <stdin> chills: have you tried double clicking ?
[07:18] <stdin> !fr | yeti
[07:18] <ubotu> yeti: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:19] <yeti> thanks
[07:19] <chills> stdin : yes :)
[07:19] <stdin> :)
[07:19] <yeti> !fr
[07:19] <chills> :(
[07:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:19] <sleepy843> is it good to download nvidia drivers from adept? Will it install it correctly?
[07:20] <stdin> sleepy843: yes, you can use adept or apt-get, your choice, but you still need to run a command to enable it
[07:20] <sleepy843> what's the command?
[07:20] <stdin> chills: is it working?
[07:20] <ooda> Iam having a problem viewing site that contain flash, is there away to fix it
[07:20] <chills> nope :
[07:21] <stdin> sleepy843: follow the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:21] <ooda> i installed the flash player but the content shows up weird
[07:21] <dwidmann> sleepy843, the only thing that really gives adept trouble, is Java, IIRC
[07:21] <chills> let me retry i guess :(
[07:21] <Dr_willis> ooda,  what site?
[07:21] <ooda> project-topgun.net
[07:22] <ooda> it loads the site, but it shows up weird
[07:23] <ooda> does it load the ame for you willis?
[07:23] <chills> let me check the cd for defects
[07:24] <stdin> chills: you can try opening Konsole and entering "ubiquity kde-ui"
[07:25] <chills> hmm wait i am checking the cd for errors
[07:25] <chills> how long do you recon it should take ?
[07:26] <ooda> anyone have problems loading flash based sites?
[07:26] <stdin> chills: a few mins (10 at most normally), but it depends on your hardware
[07:26] <Dr_willis> ooda,  seems to be working here for me.
[07:26] <Dr_willis> ooda,  firefox, flash9
[07:26] <ooda> him.
[07:27] <chills> hmm yea its a normal system 56x cd drive n 1.7 ghz 128 ram
[07:27] <Dr_willis> gotta love sites that are 100% flash with very little content.
[07:28] <ooda> lol
[07:28] <ooda> the content is the library, and the forums
[07:28] <Dr_willis> it looks like that site may be using the older flash  - i keep seeing a 'flash3' tooltip pop up
[07:29] <ooda> hmm.. i made it flash 8
[07:29] <darty> bonjour
[07:29] <darty> je suis un dbutant sur linux je ne connait rien est jaimer installer amsn mais je ne c'est pas comment faire.....ses un fichier .bz2 et jutilise kubuntu?svp aidais moi
[07:29] <chills> still at it
[07:30] <BluesKaj> !fr
[07:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> amazing how hard it is to even read that site.. its white with light blue text all over
[07:30] <stdin> Dr_willis: it uses flash 7, checked the page source
[07:30] <Dr_willis> stdin,  heh - :) now why dident i think of that.. You get a "flash3' tooltip poping up over all the buttons?
[07:31] <ooda> instresting...
[07:31] <stdin> Dr_willis: that's because in the <object tag it has "title="flash3""
[07:31] <chills> stdin zero check sums failed
[07:32] <stdin> chills: try opening Konsole and typing "ubiquity kde-ui"
[07:32] <chills> wait i rebooted so its gona load every thing again
[07:32] <matthew_> !ubiquity
[07:32] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5 (edgy), package size 1594 kB, installed size 6188 kB
[07:33] <chills> stdin : hopefully kubuntu wont give me the problems fc6 did with dialup :(
[07:33] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn how to troubblshout. :)
[07:33] <stdin> chills: let's hope :)
[07:34] <chills> indeed.. Dr_willis : did all i could ;(
[07:34] <Dr_willis> ive used modems for ages... and i am so glad.. i DONT have to any more
[07:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:34] <stdin> s/troubblshout/troubleshoot/ ?
[07:34] <chills> hey what about usb dsl modems
[07:34] <chills> do they get supported ?
[07:34] <Dr_willis> i rember the days of modem-dialer-viruses... that would call up XXX #'s in forgein countries
[07:34] <chills> lol
[07:35] <Dr_willis> and the IDIOT kids some how installed one a few yrs back.. - but that pc had no modem..
[07:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:35] <chills> i want dsl :/
[07:35] <Dr_willis> matthew_,  i used to IRC on a "Green Bar Printing Terminal" - yes.. it was a printer.. that printed all the text...
[07:35] <matthew_> omg
[07:36] <Dr_willis> I had computer classes in Fortran! :)
[07:36] <chills> stdin : really slow.. cauz ram is 128 taking forever to boot
[07:36] <sleepy743> my shell konsole seems to be broken, when I type a command, it does it but doesn't return a prompt
[07:36] <sleepy743> can't enter any new info then
[07:36] <matthew_> chills, the minimum RAM to run the graphical installer is 256
[07:36] <Dr_willis> sleepy743,  with EVERY command?
[07:36] <matthew_> Megabytes, of course
[07:36] <chills> i got 128 :)(
[07:36] <stdin> chills: if you want the graphical installer, you have to put up with it :p
[07:36] <chills> now what
[07:36] <sleepy743> I can't type anything
[07:36] <zorglu_> !xubuntu| chills
[07:36] <ubotu> chills: xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[07:37] <Dr_willis> sleepy743,  even with commands like 'ls' it does it?
[07:37] <zorglu_> chills: this is more adapted to low memory box
[07:37] <sleepy743> yeah even ls
[07:37] <Dr_willis> stdin,  imagine saying that 5+ years ago.. :)
[07:37] <multimedia> i have put the nvidia tvout as a second monitor in the xorg.conf... after restarting X  the TV shows a picture but it has stripes so i can not see anything  can someone help?
[07:37] <Dr_willis> sleepy743,  thats.. very very odd.
[07:38] <chills> this cant be right.. that i cant intall a os cauz i got 128 ram
[07:38] <matthew_> !alternate
[07:38] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[07:38] <Dr_willis> sleepy743,  as a test. go to the console. see if commands work there. (alt-ctrl-F1)  use alt-ctrl-F7 to get back
[07:38] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: sleepy743: maybe some very slow disk (like nfs) on the path ?
[07:38] <stdin> Dr_willis: this PC is 5+ years old, I only added the extra 1GB in october :p
[07:38] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  yea.. but we know nothing about his setup.
[07:38] <fxr> why does lsmod | grep fglrx give
[07:38] <fxr> lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:38] <fxr> fglrx                 406988  21
[07:38] <fxr> agpgart                34888  2 fglrx,nvidia_agp
[07:38] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: sleepy743: type "/bin/ls"
[07:38] <fxr> on my ATI card?
[07:38] <sleepy743> yeah that was it, thanks dr,
[07:38] <Dr_willis> stdin,  ive canablized all the bits for this pc from other pcs :) got ram to 2gb now i think
[07:39] <fxr> agpgart                34888  2 fglrx,nvidia_agp my card is ATI is this a problem??
[07:39] <chills> stdin : arround ?
[07:39] <stdin> Dr_willis: I've only get 2 ram slots, 1 is 512MB and the other is 1GB, so I'd have to give up the 512 and get a 1G one
[07:40] <stdin> chills: yep
[07:40] <chills> it says permission denied /var/log/installer/version
[07:40] <stdin> chills: use "kdesu ubiquity kde-ui"
[07:40] <tuurbo> ema
[07:40] <tuurbo> Jest kto z polski??
[07:40] <chills> wait the intaller just opend :D
[07:40] <stdin> !pl | tuurbo
[07:40] <ubotu> tuurbo: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[07:41] <chills> liek a white screen but its getting dere
[07:41] <tuurbo> ja pierwszy raz tutaj
[07:41] <stdin> chills: good, go from there then :p
[07:41] <chills> yea :D
[07:42] <ooda> is there anyway to set the resoultion to 1280by1024 in kubuntu?
[07:43] <B-Minus> yes
[07:43] <B-Minus> i have it
[07:43] <B-Minus> you need 915resolution
[07:43] <B-Minus> its a script
[07:44] <stdin> B-Minus: that's only if your vBIOS isn't set up right, like on intel chips
[07:44] <stdin> !xconfig | ooda
[07:44] <ubotu> ooda: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[07:45] <chills> stdin : the defualt install wil have kppp n stuff right
[07:45] <stdin> chills: yep :)
[07:45] <chills> kool] 
[07:47] <chills> let's do a defualt install
[07:47] <chills> i dont have any thing worthwhile on the sytem anyways
[07:51] <dbase13> evening all
[07:51] <chills> damn it said failed to create file ssytems :(
[07:51] <dbase13> :-)
[07:51] <dbase13> stdin, you in here somewhere ? =-)
[07:52] <chills> he was a while ago :)
[07:52] <blackflag> !sudo
[07:52] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:52] <dbase13> anyone else can tell me where i can tell Kubuntu which applications it should run on startup?
[07:52] <dbase13> brb
[07:55] <dbase13> anyone else can tell me where i can tell Kubuntu which applications it should run on startup?
[07:55] <its_me_gb> dbase13: make a symlink to your home/usrer/.kde/Autostart
[07:55] <its_me_gb> folder
[07:55] <matthew_> Why can I only use one audio program at a time? I can either watch/listen to youtube.com through swiftfox or I can listen to music through xmms, but not both. Any ideas on what I could do to fix this?
[07:57] <fdoving> !autostart | matthew_
[07:57] <ubotu> matthew_: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[07:58] <fdoving> ehm.. that's wrong nick. sorry matthew_ :)
[07:58] <matthew_> np...
[07:58] <fdoving> !autostart | dbase13
[07:58] <matthew_> any ideas as to my problem?
[07:58] <ubotu> dbase13: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[07:58] <TheGateKeeper> matthew_, for some reason 2 different linux apps can't use sound at the same time, I think this is the problem you are having
[07:58] <matthew_> TheGateKeeper, yep, that's it! No work arounds?
[07:59] <TheGateKeeper> matthew_, not that I am aware of
[07:59] <matthew_> that's garbage...oh well
[08:00] <TheGateKeeper> don't really understand why, given that linux is a true multi-processing system
[08:00] <hatta> you can definately have more than one app using sound at the same time
[08:00] <fdoving> matthew_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[08:00] <hatta> if you're using alsa
[08:01] <matthew_> brb
[08:01] <sleepy743> whats the kde version of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
[08:03] <matthew_> k, I'm back
[08:05] <andreasw> my sb live can playback sound from multiple applications at once
[08:06] <matthew_> any ideas as to what I should do?
[08:06] <matthew_> what was that link you sent me? I had to restart my box...
[08:07] <andreasw> matthew_:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[08:07] <matthew_> thank you...
[08:07] <andreasw> that was the link fdoving sent you
[08:07] <sleepy743> what's the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom version of this in kde?
[08:08] <fdoving> sleepy743: version of what? can you explain what you want to do?
[08:08] <andreasw> sleepy743: try searching in /etc/kde3/kdm
[08:10] <sleepy743> I just need to modify something in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to get beryl to work
[08:10] <fdoving> sleepy743: you can't modify that file in kubuntu. what is it you need to change?
[08:10] <dbase13> i want to run Beryl at startup of KDE
[08:10] <dbase13> can anyone tell me how exactly i can do this?
[08:10] <Tm_T> dbase13: Sure...
[08:11] <Tm_T> ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl-manager
[08:12] <sleepy743> fdoving, I need to put this in
[08:12] <sleepy743> [servers] 
[08:12] <sleepy743> 0=aiglx
[08:12] <sleepy743> [server-aiglx
[08:13] <dbase13> thanx Tm_T
[08:13] <nihil_sum> I always get "you don't have kernel lufs support (check whether the lufs module is available/loaded" when I try to use lufsmount, on Kubuntu Edgy Eft.
[08:13] <BluesKaj> my venture into XGL/beryl land was shortlived since eye candy doesn't take precedence over useful utlities like google earth \
[08:14] <nihil_sum> modprobe lufs says "Module lufs not found."
[08:15] <nihil_sum> I have lufs-src and lufs-util packages installed.
[08:16] <eMaX_> re
[08:17] <eMaX_> ne1 here who has an idea how to run babylon translator on linux?
[08:23] <soulrider> hi everyone
[08:23] <terran4000> hiya
[08:24] <nihil_sum> Doe anyone know how I can get lufsmount to work on edgy?
[08:25] <terran4000> I'm guessing > apt-get install lufs-utils didn't work out?
[08:25] <nihil_sum> It's already installed.
[08:26] <nihil_sum> I get "you don't have kernel lufs support (check whether the lufs module is available/loaded)"
[08:26] <nihil_sum> Modprobe lufs says module not found.
[08:27] <terran4000> hm, I'm not one of them kubuntu devels, but apparently they didn't stick it into the default kernel. Your choices, as I see it, are to either compile lufs yourself (and the kernel module) or try using fuse
[08:28] <nihil_sum> I installed fuseftp.  It worked, kind of.  I could see files in dir/ls, and edit some of them... but not navigate subdirectories...
[08:28] <terran4000> no one said it was perfect ^^
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> nihil_sum: sudo apt-get install module-assistant; sudo module-assistant prepare,update; sudo module-assistant build,install lufs
[08:29] <terran4000> oh yes, this is one of them new age  things. Keep forgetting about m-a
[08:29] <real> hi i just installed kubuntu anyone knows where i can get a good sources.list for a stable?
[08:29] <nihil_sum> Letting that run...
[08:30] <terran4000> real: by defaul kubuntu has a good stable repository ....
[08:30] <nihil_sum> h3sp3wn you rock!
[08:30] <nihil_sum> sp4wn even
[08:31] <real> http://69.60.114.106/www.kubuntu-es.org/public_html/?q=node/1094 <-- are those stable?
[08:31] <nihil_sum> ooo..  problem.
[08:31] <nihil_sum> FATAL: Could not rename /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/modules.dep.temp into /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> real: If it has anything unofficial other than maybe the sevas repo for win32 codecs its not stable
[08:31] <dromer> hmm, anybody here ever use electricsheep?
[08:32] <real> ok thxs ..
[08:34] <tibbar> I need help with my flash, lots of text is gone/transparent don't really know, is the flash im trying to play maby using version 9?
[08:34] <terran4000> does anyone perchance know how to get the "Location/Edit/View ..." menu to show up in Konqueror? Seems to be missing and I have no idea how to get it back :-(
[08:36] <scott___> I'm having some trouble with adept...
[08:36] <soulrider> is anyone here using fluxbox ?
[08:36] <terran4000> soulrider: I used to use it.
[08:36] <scott___> I added 2 new repositories and now the program won't start up.
[08:36] <dromer> soulrider: I used it, though on blackbox atm
[08:37] <soulrider> i just installed it, compiled it from source
[08:37] <soulrider> but the menu is empty
[08:37] <soulrider> so theres no way i can open any apps,  or even edit the menu or exit fluxbox
[08:37] <soulrider> not even open a console
[08:37] <dromer> hmm, yeah I've had that problem before also, this blackbox isn't on ubuntu btw, but debian sarge
[08:37] <tibbar> I need help with my flash, lots of text is gone/transparent don't really know, is? Must I wine WinExplorer?
[08:38] <dromer> tibbar: what flash do you have ?
[08:38] <tibbar> dromer: 7 I think
[08:38] <soulrider> dromer: how did you fix it ?
[08:38] <terran4000> soulrider: the latest fluxbox's as far as I remember, has a menu generator. I don't remember the name off hand (maybe something like fluxmenugen) ... or so. They should state it on their website
[08:39] <dromer> soulrider: I havent, I don't use flux/black-box on my desktop :P
[08:39] <dromer> that was just for tryouts :P
[08:39] <politik> any idea why subversion 1.4 is not in edgy?
[08:40] <dromer> tibbar: have you tried flash9 beta ?
[08:40] <scott___> Can anybody tell me how to force a program to close?
[08:40] <soulrider> i think ill ask on #fluxbox :P
[08:40] <dromer> hehe, do that :P
[08:40] <tibbar> dromer: no, i'll install it quick brb
[08:41] <frojnd> where is my super key on logitech keyboard?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> frojnd: windows key == superkey
[08:42] <frojnd> gnomefreak: why it doesn't work :S
[08:43] <frojnd> I am playing with beryl and somehow windows=super key doesn't work
[08:43] <gnomefreak> frojnd: dont know what you want it to do. the key doesnt do the same thing on linux as it does on windows
[08:43] <gnomefreak> frojnd: best to ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:43] <frojnd> I allready did :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> frojnd: what key combo are you trying?
[08:44] <frojnd> super key + m
[08:44] <frojnd> I also don't know where is Top-right (hot corner)
[08:44] <gnomefreak> yuck why would you want to do that :(
[08:45] <gnomefreak> top right corner is the same place as every other top right hand corner
[08:45] <frojnd> to test super key
[08:45] <frojnd> Super Key+Left Click and grab
[08:45] <gnomefreak> frojnd: that doesnt do anything
[08:45] <gnomefreak> frojnd: it blocks you from moving windows around
[08:45] <frojnd> oh sad
[08:46] <gnomefreak> frojnd: do you have the water plugin working?
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> "XkbOptions" "altwin:super_win" did you try that in xorg.conf
[08:46] <frojnd> I haven't install it yet?
[08:46] <frojnd> how do I do that gnomefreak
[08:46] <gnomefreak> frojnd: its installed with beryl
[08:46] <frojnd> Super Key+Left Click and grab: no
[08:46] <gnomefreak> frojnd: what vidoe card do you have?
[08:47] <frojnd> geforce fx5500
[08:47] <tibbar> gnomefreak: if you're done I wanna ask you something about flash :P
[08:47] <gnomefreak> frojnd: go into beryl-seetings-manager and go to water and enable it
[08:47] <gnomefreak> tibbar: whats up?
[08:48] <tibbar> gnomefreak: my flashplayer is really strange there is some text missing and some flash clips are broken, should I install the beta?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> tibbar: nivida card by chance?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> nvidia even
[08:49] <tibbar> gnomefreak:  yes
[08:49] <gnomefreak> tibbar: go for it. it should fix that
[08:50] <gnomefreak> tibbar: i think edgy has it in the backport repos
[08:50] <tibbar> gnomefreak:  ok i'll b back if it does not
[08:50] <tibbar> gnomefreak: flash in adept?
[08:51] <gnomefreak> it should be in the backport repos. if you enable the backport repos you should beablet o get flash 9 either with apt or adept
[08:51] <frojnd> gnomefrak: where do I enable water plugin, in general settings?
[08:51] <BluesKaj> get flash9 , it fixes some issues with nvidia and ati on firefox plugins
[08:51] <frojnd> general options*
[08:51] <terran4000> does anyone perchance know how to get the "Location, Edit, View ......" menu bar back in Konqueror? It's not there and I know it's supposed to be, but I have no idea how to get it back.
[08:52] <gnomefreak> frojnd: under toys and such
[08:54] <frojnd> I clicked on Visual Effects and list is empty..
[08:55] <gnomefreak> frojnd: toys and such not visual effects
[08:55] <gnomefreak> brb
[09:00] <tibbar> gnomefreak: thanks a %$^ load!! i really love it when things get fixed
[09:01] <balint> hi there: how can i configure aero AIO ?? i downloaded it but it sais no plugins found
[09:02] <gnomefreak> tibbar: yw
[09:03] <balint> or is just have to restart aero aio to see the plugins?
[09:05] <balint> :( is anybody here? :)
[09:08] <nihil_sum> Is it possible to connect to a Microsoft Exchange server in linux?
[09:09] <nihil_sum> *for email
[09:10] <jhutchins_wk> Eww.  US mirror sure is slow today.
[09:10] <jhutchins_wk> nihil_sum: Should be, as long as the Exchange server is running pop or imap.
[09:11] <jhutchins_wk> Connecting using the propetary protocol is only supported by commercial add-ons, due to them having to buy the Microsoft licenses.
[09:11] <candtalan> hi all
[09:12] <balint> hi there, someone uses here Aero AIO ??
[09:13] <candtalan> I am hoping to make some contact with pete savage " cbx33 on irc.freenode.net " - what does this mean, his ID?
[09:16] <balint>  nicks and nobody uses aero aIO??
[09:16] <balint> 376 nicks and nobody? :D
[09:21] <Murchadh> Check out xsel - for cut and paste to windows clibboard.
[09:21] <jhutchins_wk> balint: Apparently.
[09:25] <wedgeV> how can i run commands from katapult?
[09:25] <dwidmann> wedgev: just press alt + space and type it in, it'll either recognize it or it won't, I think it has to be in the kmenu or something
[09:26] <wedgeV> oh, yea, i meant commands it doesnt recognize :)
[09:26] <dwidmann> wedgev: if it doesn't feel like recognizing it, there's always alt + f2
[09:26] <wedgeV> oh, nice, didnt know that shortcut!
[09:26] <wedgeV> thanks
[09:27] <dwidmann> You're welcome ... I need to dig up that tidbit on katapult though, it bugs me somewhat
[09:27] <medyk> Witam wszystkich
[09:28] <dwidmann> Hmm, yup, it seems it only has to be in the kmenu
[09:28] <wedgeV> dwidmann: ok
[09:29] <dwidmann> also, make sure that in the configuration dialog that ignore terminal applications is unchecked if you want to run a terminal app that's in the kmenu
[09:30] <firebird619> I am trying to install Klear, but it keeps saying Qt is not found. What package to I need to install to resolve this dependency?
[09:31] <wedgeV> how can i view the capabilities of my dvd writer?
[09:32] <farkr> if i have my / and /home directories are on their own ext3 partitions and my movies on their own ext3 partition, will they play slower than they would if they were on the same partition?
[09:32] <wedgeV> no
[09:33] <intelikey> firebird619 sudo apt-get install qt4-dev-tools
[09:33] <firebird619> intelikey: Thank You
[09:34] <dragan> hello
[09:34] <dragan> I need some help regarding ati x200 ...  on laptop
[09:34] <dragan> just point me to the right direction
[09:34] <dragan> I will use kubuntu 6.10 64 bit..
[09:37] <dromer> hmmm, my desktop seems to be unable to refresh
[09:37] <dromer> I downloaded a couple new files, but they don't show up
[09:38] <dromer> when I browse to the desktop with konqueror however I can see them \
[09:39] <intelikey> dromer right click the desktop and configure it to show all files on the desktop.
[09:39] <dromer> intelikey: like hidden files?
[09:40] <intelikey> no like file types that you wish to appear on the desktop
[09:40] <intelikey> there is a setting.    look for it
[09:40] <dromer> doesn't work
[09:40] <cjoslin> can someone direct me to an auto repair server and channel?
[09:41] <dromer> other files of the same format do apear intelikey
[09:41] <dromer> like a backup of my forum (.sql format)
[09:41] <dromer> another backup is not in there
[09:41] <firebird619> intelikey: It says qt4-dev-tools is already installed, so klear must be looking at the wrong path to find qt. What path is qt installed to?
[09:48] <dromer> hmm, I'm trying this guide: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/ProjectM_HowTo  I'm at the libvisual plugin install
[09:48] <dromer> but after ./configure .. etc , where do I do the 'make' command?
[09:49] <khahr> hi, i'm trying to listen some music through a flash-applet running in konqueror. however, whenever i do something in the graphical environment, the music playback is momentarily interrupted. how could i fix this? should i start konqueror with higher priority or something, and if that's the proper solution, how exactly should i do that?
[09:55] <dwidmann> khahr, go to systemsettings -> sound system
[09:55] <dwidmann> it lets you make changes regarding that problem there, I believe.
[09:57] <Fragrag> !video
[09:57] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[09:58] <Fragrag> Any good videoediting programmes?
[09:58] <khahr> dwidmann: thanks, i'll take a look at that
[09:59] <dwidmann> fragrag, kino and cinelerra seem to be the ones that get talked about most
[09:59] <Fragrag> Kino? I'll check that out, it's one of my favourite songs :P
[10:00] <Fragrag> Thanks
[10:04] <firebird619> What package installs KDE headers?
[10:05] <dromer> hmm, so I'm using this guide to install projectM for amarok: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/ProjectM_HowTo  but at the libvisual plugin I get this on ./configure : checking for libvisual >= 0.2.0... configure: error: *** libvisual not found.  << and I have 0.2 and 0.4 installed !
[10:07] <caris_mere> anybody know how I can get the libxine-extracodecs?
[10:07] <dwidmann> firebird619, try installing the package kde-devel ... it comes with some extra stuff though, otherwise, try kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev
[10:07] <dwidmann> !multiverse | caris_mere
[10:07] <ubotu> caris_mere: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:08] <caris_mere> ubotu: I have added the repositories, but it still doesn't appear
[10:08] <dwidmann> caris_mere: have you run apt-get update?
[10:08] <dwidmann> or similar
[10:08] <caris_mere> dwidmann: I have done that, but they still do not appear.
[10:10] <dwidmann> caris_mere, would you mind showing me your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:10] <dwidmann> !paste
[10:10] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[10:10] <firebird619> dwidmann: Thank YOu
[10:11] <caris_mere> dwidmann: they are here http://www.hardwareforums.com/amarok-apt-repositories-problems-16375/
[10:12] <ronny_> #zeta
[10:12] <ronny_> join #zeta
[10:13] <dwidmann> caris_mere, you're still missing the line you need for multiverse, add the following line to the bottom and you should be good: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[10:13] <caris_mere> ok, do I need to be sudo to edit that file?
[10:14] <dwidmann> caris_mere: right
[10:14] <dwidmann> caris_mere: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:15] <caris_mere> dwidmann: does it matter where I add it?
[10:15] <TurnTheOtherWay> this is in dapper?
[10:15] <dwidmann> caris_mere: no, shouldn't matter
[10:18] <caris_mere> dwidmann: thanks, that worked
[10:19] <BTR> Hi, is there any cad programs, that give the ability to make 3d drawings?
[10:19] <dwidmann> caris_mere: good, you're welcome
[10:21] <dwidmann> BTR: I've not seen anything good around
[10:22] <BTR> Damn, is there any programs like "blender"?
[10:23] <K`zan> Blender is there...
[10:24] <scifi> which package manager is the best to use, Synaptic or Adept Manager, or doesnt it matter ?
[10:25] <BTR> Thanks K`zan!
[10:25] <K`zan> BTR: Glad to help :-)
[10:25] <BTR> scifi: Is far as i have understood it, its a mather of taste. Though adept has a rather annoying bug, where et locs the database
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> scifi: adept is the default
[10:27] <scifi> k
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> scifi: I choose neither, good old dpkg and apt-get at the command line are the best for me
[10:28] <scifi> i use that too, but i dont always know package name
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> scifi: apt-cache
[10:28] <BTR> scifi: Then use the search function in apt-get
[10:28] <scifi> just trying out kde after using gnome and xfce
[10:28] <nihil_sum> I used lufsmount to mount a Windows NT FTP server.  I tried to ls but it said it was not permitted.  I looked at the FTP traffic in Wireshark, and apparently lufs is requesting  /etc/passwd from the web server, which obviously doesn't exist on a WindowsNT FTP server...
[10:29] <scifi> thats just another command to remember, which im not very good at doing :)
[10:30] <yelonek> split:D
[10:30] <scifi> ^^
[10:31] <Murchadh> Was juano a Jedi or what?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> scifi, I'm sure you'll prefer kde to the other desktops :)
[10:33] <scifi> BluesKaj: first impressions are very good. althougt xfce had a very useful right-click menu which brings up all your menus
[10:33] <dwidmann> scifi, I think you can do that if you want, let me check
[10:34] <BluesKaj> scifi, well it's a matter of taste , but being used to windows for 10 yrs and then trying linux , kde is more suited to my entrenched habits :)
[10:35] <dwidmann> scifi, right click on the desktop, configure desktop, behavior
[10:35] <junocdx> dwidmann: can I bother you for the link to simple64 again?
[10:36] <dwidmann> http://www.xnowherex.net/simple64/ hold on a minute before clicking though, I'm uploading another update for it
[10:36] <junocdx> Does the in-script update not work?
[10:37] <scifi> dwidmann: impressive, ty :)
[10:37] <scifi> ive installed the flash plugin, but i think i have to enable it in konqueror, how do i do this ?
[10:38] <drarem> in windows i want to use a special character delimiter - ALT+0196.   how do i display that in ubuntu, to cut and paste into the terminal?
[10:38] <dwidmann> junocdx, it should be good-to-go(tm)
[10:39] <hasmademethirsty> hey guys I'm trying to use all the "K" software  I can... I was wondering what the most secure messenger is... is kopete nice and secure... I also have one called SIM-IM then there is always gnome, but I'd like something integrated with KDE and Secure?
[10:39] <drarem> nm i found a website
[10:39] <drarem> dont know why i ask these things
[10:39] <mcrandello> is there any way to make konqueror use something other than kmail for email?
[10:39] <flo_> can someone tell me how can i lunch konqueror with superusser privilage sudo konqueror doesn't seem to work
[10:40] <mcrandello> flo_: kdesu konqueror
[10:40] <dwidmann> hasmademethirsty: I've never had any trouble with kopete
[10:40] <mcrandello> flo_: hopefully this is only for file browsing
[10:41] <BluesKaj> amsn seems the same msn in windows , if that's what you need , hasmademethirsty
[10:41] <mcrandello> I mean I found a dozen howtos for older versions of kde and I can't find anything in thecontrol center
[10:41] <flo_> :-) thx
[10:41] <mcrandello> but nothing telling me how to dump kmail
[10:41] <junocdx> dwidmann: I'm getting a 404 with your site
[10:41] <dwidmann> a 404? Hmm, let me check things
[10:41] <mcrandello> on 3.5.5
[10:42] <hasmademethirsty> Probably kopete would be the best, if it's reasonably secure, but It seems KDE software is kind of made to be secure... agreed?
[10:42] <yelonek> hey, i'm trying to write hello world in KDevelop, but I get this error
[10:42] <yelonek> "/bin/sh: /home/yelonek/Projects/firstapp/configure: not found"
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> hasmademethirsty: put it this way, when the kde guys got some OSX Apple patches for khtml they were not impressed with the quality of the code
[10:43] <yelonek> i know i should create configure, but I don't have a clue how
[10:43] <nikola_> hi
[10:43] <firecrotch> Hi nikola_
[10:43] <n8k99> hi
[10:43] <nikola_> i need some help gettin ndiswrapper to install..........
[10:43] <dwidmann> junocdx,  ah, that's right, I forget to change that on the page too when I changed it in the program, I'll have it fixed in about 60 seconds
[10:43] <nikola_> i cant at all...............
[10:43] <hasmademethirsty> nice,... Linux_Galore... I love the integration of this destkop!
[10:44] <mcrandello> anyone managed to change their email handler for konq?
[10:44] <nikola_> its part of getting my airport card to work
[10:44] <chronic1> !flash
[10:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> hasmademethirsty: maakes you wonder about all the other code Apple makes and we dont see
[10:44] <dwidmann> junocdx, fixed
[10:44] <firecrotch> mcrandello: I had no problem
[10:44] <scifi> anyone know when a flash 8 for linux is available ?
[10:45] <mcrandello> firecrotch: do you remember where the setting for that is?
[10:45] <nikola_> anyone know how?
[10:45] <firecrotch> mcrandello: I don't recall exactly, but I'm sure I can find it again, give me a minute
[10:45] <junocdx> dwidmann: still getting the 404 with /ubuntu/
[10:45] <mcrandello> firecrotch: thanks :)
[10:45] <dwidmann> junocdx, force a refresh with ctrl +r, I changed it.
[10:46] <nihil_sum> How can I prevent ls from checking /etc/passwd?  (on ftpfs)
[10:47] <firecrotch> mcrandello: In System Settings, Default Applications
[10:47] <junocdx> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/989/ =D
[10:48] <nikola_> does anyone know how to make airport work?
[10:48] <nikola_> ive gone part way through a tutorial, but i got stuck
[10:48] <nikola_> was wondering if anyone could help....................
[10:49] <dwidmann> junocdx, have you refreshed the web page yet, that's where I made the change . ...
[10:49] <hasmademethirsty> I can't find the passwords to anything!, they were once all on a peice of paper :(... my room is UTTER dissaray tho lol, I'll pry find it cleaning, I hope so.
[10:50] <firecrotch> hasmademethirsty: your passwords should be easy to remember,  not so complex that you have to write it down
[10:50] <nikola_> isnt there a keychain program or something?
[10:50] <junocdx> dwidmann: ah.  then simple64 still points to /ubuntu/
[10:50] <mcrandello> or stored in a password safe program
[10:51] <hasmademethirsty> Well I'm a security n00b, but maybe you are right.
[10:51] <dwidmann> junocdx, the webpage has links to /simple64/, not /ubuntu/ ....
[10:51] <firecrotch> Are we talking about user login passwords, or website passwords?
[10:51] <dwidmann> I made that change in the program a while back, think
[10:51] <mcrandello> look up password safes. I'm currently using one from gnu for win32 with wine because I like the program that much
[10:51] <hasmademethirsty> AIM and MSN messenger + like 5 websites.
[10:52] <||arifaX> firecrotch you think like: YIstc#omSaIwwIma30y0ld "Yesterday I saw this crazy number on my screen and I wondered why I am 30 years old"
[10:52] <mcrandello> you can email yourself the database periodically, and you only have to remember 1 password
[10:52] <dwidmann> junocdx, I'm pulling up the page and I'll check that it's right, but I think it is
[10:52] <junocdx> dwidmann: feel free to tell me to just shut my mouth until I use the new script ;)
[10:52] <hasmademethirsty> mcrandello... that sounds interesting... how do I do that?
[10:52] <firecrotch> ||arifaX: that would be good, provided that you can remember the sentence
[10:52] <||arifaX> mine real one I can
[10:53] <nikola_> can sumone help here? :P
[10:53] <firecrotch> mcrandello: why not just use Firefox's password utility?
[10:53] <firecrotch> Or do you stick to konq?
[10:53] <nihil_sum> Lufs keeps trying to get /etc/passwd from a WindowsNT FTP server, which doesn't have a /etc/passwd.  How can I workaround this?
[10:53] <hasmademethirsty> I use konqueror
[10:53] <dwidmann> junocdx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/991/
[10:53] <junocdx> is Flash v.9 fairly stable?
[10:53] <nikola_> nihil sum means i am nothing
[10:54] <nikola_> in latin
[10:54] <nikola_> haha
[10:54] <mcrandello> I'm using kong atm but sometimes I get a hair up my ass and switch browsers
[10:54] <||arifaX> junocdx: for me it is
[10:54] <firecrotch> I thought that KDE Wallet can handle passwords for Konq
[10:54] <nihil_sum> I know what it means.
[10:54] <junocdx> dwidmann: i got it working.  I got ahead of myself. =\
[10:54] <nikola_> :P
[10:54] <mcrandello> hasmademethirsty: http://passwordsafe.sf.net
[10:54] <mcrandello> not gnu, sorry, it was orig created by Bruce Schnier
[10:55] <bobbyd> is there a nice GUI interface to start and stop servers with scripts under /etc/init.d/ ?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> junocdx, Flash9been working very well on my FF2 for weeks now
[10:55] <hasmademethirsty> mcrandello... OK thanks :)
[10:55] <mcrandello> firecrotch: I also keep stuff for the windows machine at work in the database
[10:55] <dromer> how do I check if my opengl works?
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> bobbyd: look on kcontrol
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> in*
[10:55] <HaTcH> Is anyone here familiar with Pentium 2 Xeon, dual processor systems?
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> bobbyd: there is a services section
[10:56] <mcrandello> there's a native linux client for that format as well but it requires installing some kind of wierd scripting language to run it
[10:56] <mcrandello> but yeah even kde's wallet is better than a piece of paper
[10:56] <bobbyd> Linux_Galore: ok thanks
[10:56] <antonio_> ciao a tutti
[10:57] <genii> HaTcH eg: Old Dell Poweredge, Prolinea and so on
[10:57] <||arifaX> HaTcH: just ask
[10:57] <HaTcH> HP Kayak actually
[10:57] <genii> HaTcH What is the question, anyhow?
[10:57] <HaTcH> I was curious, does ubuntu support dual processor?
[10:57] <genii> Yes
[10:57] <dudeman> hey I have an xsupplicant problem.  can anyone help?
[10:58] <HaTcH> OK thats question 1 down
[10:58] <genii> HaTcH The SMP kernel is installed if it sees multiple CPU
[10:58] <antonio_> qualcuno sa qualche sito dove scaricare programmi per linux?
[10:58] <HaTcH> Next question is about hardware, VRMs that is
[10:58] <BluesKaj> !it
[10:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:58] <HaTcH> Uhm, the board supports a total of 2 processors (therefor it has 2 CPU slots, but it has 3 VRM slots
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> HaTcH: #hardware
[10:59] <antonio_> in quale canale si pu parlare in italiano, visto che io non conosco l'inglese?
[10:59] <HaTcH> ahh will do ;)
[10:59] <junocdx> dwidmann: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/992/ when trying to install Java again.  =D  Am I getting on your nerves yet?
[10:59] <dudeman> can anyone help with xsupplicant?
[11:00] <dudeman> ???
[11:00] <genii> HaTcH It would be system specific. Might be so that you could use differently-voltaged cores
[11:00] <BluesKaj> antonio inglese , here please
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> dudeman: what do you need it for ?
[11:00] <dudeman> it keeps throwing up a segmentation fault.  I need it to log on to a peap network
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> wpa supplicant can do that
[11:01] <dudeman> ok.... cool.  is it in the repository, or do I need to find it?
[11:01] <nihil_sum> LUFS FTPFS wants to RETR /etc/passwd, but the server is Windows NT and doesn't have a /etc/passwd.  Can I get LUFS to work around this?
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> dudeman: Should be there by default
[11:02] <hasmademethirsty> dang, that link you gave me was for windows... are you suggesting I use WINE?
[11:02] <dudeman> thanks
[11:02] <dudeman> i'll try
[11:02] <h3sp4wn>  /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ieee8021x.conf
[11:02] <firecrotch> hasmademethirsty: yes, he mentioned that he uses it via WINE
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> That is an example what you need may be slightly different
[11:02] <mcrandello> hasmademethirsty: that's what I'm using
[11:03] <hasmademethirsty> OH ok... cool, actually, that's pry even MORE secure.
[11:03] <Dannilion> Hey- I need some help with a cron to close a program at a certain time (I can create one to open the program, just not one to close it again)
[11:03] <genii> Have fun :) Need to leave this work and go to next locale
[11:03] <chronic1> !backports
[11:03] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:03] <firecrotch> Dannilion: what program?
[11:03] <Dannilion> azureus
[11:04] <firecrotch> Dannilion: The only thing that comes to mind would be to use a shell script to get the PID of the process and kill it
[11:04] <Dannilion> okay
[11:04] <Dannilion> how do I do that?
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> that maybe could corrupt the file though
[11:04] <mcrandello> hasmademethirsty: I only stick with that one because I migrated with it and love the thing, also it's easier than finding a cross platform safe that I like the features of on both platforms
[11:04] <mcrandello> okay so if I go into "kde components" in kcontrol shouldn't there be a "component chooser" item?
[11:05] <firecrotch> Dannilion: Heh, I dunno, I suck with shell scripts
[11:05] <scifi> according to sysguard im using virtually all my physical memory (500mb) with just xchat and konqueror open. is that normaL?
[11:05] <dudeman> hey how do I access wpa supplicant?  konsole?
[11:06] <dudeman> ???
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> dudeman: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz (set it up through /etc/network/interfaces)
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> (view with zless
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> )
[11:07] <dudeman> thanks
[11:07] <firecrotch> Dannillion: something along the lines of ps -e | grep azuerus, then some way to extract the PID of the process
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> dudeman: Do you have the certificate in the right format etc ?
[11:08] <dudeman> meaning the pem file?
[11:10] <nihil_sum> ps -e | awk '/azureus/ {print $1}'
[11:10] <scifi> according to sysguard im using virtually all my physical memory (500mb) with just xchat and konqueror open. is that normaL?
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> Still a nasty way of doing things just killing it like that
[11:10] <||arifaX> scifi: is there maybe a leaking firefox-bin running? it is not normal I have 320 in use even I run kubuntu and windows xp in vm
[11:11] <vulcanius> off topic but does anyone here use a virtual private server?
[11:12] <vulcanius> and i mean from a company, not a homebuilt
[11:12] <||arifaX> vulcanius: I do
[11:12] <gdiebel> scifi: nah not normal at all. s/xchat/konversation
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> Not really offtopic if you want to know a decent ubuntu one I guess
[11:12] <vulcanius> ||arifaX: who do you use?
[11:12] <||arifaX> vulcanius: hosteurope.de
[11:12] <vulcanius> h3sp4wn: we will pretend then, heh
[11:12] <dwidmann> junocdx, one sec, I'm taking a look
[11:13] <||arifaX> vulcanius: they run suse but you can install what you want if you like
[11:13] <mcrandello> okay this is frustrating, there's no "component chooser" to choose another mail client from in kcontrol, grepping the .kdedir for "kmail" only turns up its own config files
[11:13] <vulcanius> ||arifaX: do you have full access, SSH and all, not just a cheap control panel?
[11:14] <||arifaX> vulcanius: yes ssh full access
[11:14] <||arifaX> vulcanius: it costs me 15 Euros a month
[11:14] <vulcanius> ||arifaX: heh, excuse my ignorance but what currency is that?
[11:14] <scifi> hmmm, maybe because i installed k-desktop through gnome as opposed to a fresh kubuntu install ?
[11:14] <vulcanius> ah, nevermind, heh
[11:14] <firecrotch> mcrandello: you want systemsettings, not kcontrol
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> ||arifaX: Anyway to get that site in english ?
[11:15] <firecrotch> h3sp4wn: google translate
[11:15] <dwidmann> junocdx: I found it, one of those obscure hard to see typos
[11:15] <ari-free> i'm american and even i know what a euro is :)
[11:15] <||arifaX> vulcanius: its 19.65$ I'll check for english support.. wait
[11:15] <vulcanius> that's not too bad
[11:16] <vulcanius> i've been looking at tektonic.net and adiungo.com
[11:16] <scifi> gdiebel: kinda worryign then
[11:16] <||arifaX> vulcanius: they are german only, but the webinterface is configurable to english and the os is already
[11:16] <vulcanius> ok, that would work then
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> firecrotch: I dunno whether I would want to have any ongoing financial thing that I couldn't speak english to
[11:16] <k4071k_b0073r> can anyone here help me figure out the name of this new mobo before i install so i can research it
[11:17] <firecrotch> h3sp4wn: money is a universal language :)
[11:17] <firecrotch> Plus I'm sure there is someone there who can speak english
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> firecrotch: Not worth risking it
[11:17] <ari-free> taking money is universal. not so universal is letting you keep yours
[11:17] <||arifaX> vulcanius: thats what I got http://tinyurl.com/yyf7p3
[11:18] <firecrotch> True.  There are plenty of US-based VPS hosts that are pretty good
[11:18] <Dannilion> my network cable fell out- how do I close azureus with the script?
[11:18] <vulcanius> heh, i've seen some hosts charging $150/month for a super tiny slab of a VPS
[11:18] <mcrandello> firecrotch: my system settings was ln'd to kcontrol
[11:18] <mcrandello> firecrotch: and the componentchooser.desktop had "Nodisplay=true" set for some reason :(
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> That one there from where I am seems to be miles more responsive than any us based vps provided (but I am in the uk)
[11:19] <mcrandello> it's like what happened to gnome on ubuntu all over again ;_;
[11:19] <vulcanius> i want to find someone who uses adiungo.com
[11:19] <||arifaX> vulcanius: cool that something is cheaper here in europe :) I think 1000GB a month and 15G space is also very good offer
[11:19] <vulcanius> adiungo has the best by far but i'm not sure how the service actually is
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> budgetdedicated are very good
[11:20] <firecrotch> mcrandello: you should be able to get into systemsettings from Konsole; I'm sure systemsettings hasn't been deleted :)
[11:20] <khahr> any suggestions to fix this problem "sudo: timestamp too far in the future"? the time was wrong first, i fixed it, and now i get this every time i try to use sudo. since there's no root user in ubuntu, i can't go root, and just waiting is not an option either
[11:20] <vulcanius> h3sp4wn: do they offer VPS or just dedicateds?
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> vulcanius: Offer VPS's as well as dedicated
[11:20] <mcrandello> firecrotch: nope, it's gone
[11:21] <mcrandello> perhaps because I installed ubuntu then installed kde-desktop instead of straight up kubuntu?
[11:21] <hasmademethirsty> urgh, sorry but could somone tell me how to launch the volume bar?  I keep getting settings, but no levels.
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> vulcanius: Ideally you want xen based (cannot be oversold in the same way user mode linux and virtuosa and the others can be)
[11:21] <firecrotch> mcrandello: could be... try apt-get install systemsettings
[11:22] <mcrandello> nope
[11:22] <vulcanius> h3sp4wn: actually that was going to be one of my next questions, lol. xen vs virt
[11:22] <sleepy495> Can beryl run on Dapper?
[11:22] <firecrotch> sleepy: yes, it can
[11:23] <firecrotch> but you need XGL or AIGLX installed also
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> That is not true
[11:23] <BluesKaj> eye candy ...bah humbug!
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> You need the nvidia 9xxx drivers
[11:23] <sleepy495> can you give me a good How to site on steps to install it on kubuntu, alot are for gnome :(
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> Aiglx is only for opensource drivers
[11:23] <dwidmann> oh yay, it seems I got disconnected somehow or another
[11:24] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn, not true
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: texture_from_pixmap != aiglx
[11:24] <sleepy495> Can someone give me a good how to page to install on kubuntu
[11:24] <sleepy495> alot of how tos are for gnome desktop
[11:24] <dwidmann> what does it = then?
[11:24] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: Thanks you for mentioning them, I had not been aware of that company
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: or if aiglx refers to accelerated indirect X then all nvidia drivers support it
[11:25] <mcrandello> firecrotch: I had to type /usr/share/applications/kde/componentchooser.desktop into the konq window and run it from there. Looks like mepis users have the same problem
[11:25] <mcrandello> firecrotch: thanks for the help though :)
[11:25] <firecrotch> mcrandello: that's weird
[11:25] <Dannilion> humm... I wonder if the azureus scheduler works for linux? might be easier than a cron :)
[11:25] <firecrotch> np
[11:26] <scifi> hmmm having googled it. linux caches memory, so running the command free -m actually shows i have 318mb of free cached memory :)
[11:26] <sleepy495> are the nxxx drivers on adept?
[11:26] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: as far as I know, only the nvidia 96xx and later drivers supported it, but okay then
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: aiglx is the mesa thing developed by redhat - nvidia doesn't use any of the aiglx code at all
[11:27] <sleepy495> I have a GeForce 5900 Ultra, will that support 96xx?
[11:27] <dwidmann> indeed, they did their own thing to make it work
[11:27] <vulcanius> wow, take a look at Quantact.com. they are horrible..... 288GB of bandwidth max and $1/GB overage.... thats insane
[11:27] <dwidmann> !envy | sleepy495
[11:27] <ubotu> sleepy495: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[11:27] <BluesKaj> gamerz... bah humbug! :)
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: definately 9631 maybe 9746
[11:28] <firecrotch> Dannilion: ps -e | awk '/azureus/ {print $1}'  will give you the PID of azureus
[11:28] <firecrotch> then you can just kill it
[11:28] <dwidmann> junocdx, are you still here?
[11:29] <Dannilion> how do I just kill it?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is less of a hog than azureus and much more stable
[11:30] <Dannilion> BluesKaj: I know-  it's not for me though :p
[11:30] <firecrotch> kill <PID>
[11:30] <dwidmann> I hear azureus works much, much better with java 6
[11:30] <dwidmann> in terms of both speed and memory consumption
[11:30] <Dannilion> firecrotch- so I just stick that under the script?
[11:30] <firecrotch> I just can't figure out how to get the PID that  ps -e | awk '/azureus/ {print kill $1}' returns into the kill command, can anyone help me out?
[11:30] <sleepy495> whats the command to install a .deb package?
[11:30] <wedgeV> BluesKaj: i had some problems with ktorrent downloading broken data, after trying several times to download the corrupt data again, i tried with azureus and it worked fine
[11:31] <lupine_85> dpkg -i
[11:31] <lupine_85> be careful that it's sane for your system first, though
[11:31] <wedgeV> | xargs kill
[11:31] <wedgeV> ps -e | awk '/azureus/ {print $1}'|xargs kill
[11:31] <sleepy495> ok, so it's dpkg -i (package name)?
[11:31] <lupine_85> yep
[11:31] <sleepy495> thanks
[11:32] <Dannilion> thanks wedgeV
[11:32] <lupine_85> killall azureus ?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> ok, dwidmann may have apoint about azurues having a better synergy with java6 ...guess i should try it
[11:32] <lupine_85> a... bit shorter.. ;)
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> killall doesn't always work
[11:32] <gdiebel> pkill azureus
[11:32] <lupine_85> really? wow
[11:32] <lupine_85> it always has here
[11:32] <lupine_85> what makes it fail?
[11:32] <wedgeV> java
[11:32] <lupine_85> lol
[11:33] <lupine_85> java = fail
[11:33] <wedgeV> hehe
[11:33] <vulcanius> kill -9
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: When it doesn't match
[11:33] <vulcanius> kill -SIGKILL
[11:33] <BluesKaj> it's just loses it's trackers
[11:33] <vulcanius> kill -KILL
[11:33] <wedgeV> i think its because the process is java
[11:33] <wedgeV> not azureus
[11:33] <lupine_85> murder java
[11:33] <lupine_85> (first alias murder to kill -9 ;) )
[11:33] <Dannilion> :p
[11:33] <vulcanius> lol
[11:34] <wedgeV> gdiebel: pkill works in that cases ?
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: even for killing amarok when it has properly crashed (and cannot be restarted) killall amarok never works but killing all the pids that mention amarok always works
[11:34] <dwidmann> as per my hearing that it works better in Java6 ... was something jdong said on uf, if I remember right
[11:34] <wedgeV> h3sp4wn: for amarok you have to kill amarokapp
[11:35] <dwidmann> as for me, I don't know, my internet connection is allergic to torrents
[11:35] <lupine_85> mm, amarokapp
[11:35] <vulcanius> lupine_85: in that case, alias molest to strace -p
[11:35] <lupine_85> hehe
[11:35] <lupine_85> and cavity_search to valgrind ?
[11:35] <Dannilion> okay, so what exactly to I put in this file to make it a script that cron can run?
[11:35] <sleepy495> Does evy automatically download the nvidia drivers?
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: what about the dcop stuff ?#
[11:35] <lupine_85> Dannilion: a shebang (#!) with the interpretor after it
[11:35] <lupine_85> e.g. #!/bin/sh
[11:35] <Dannilion> thanks
[11:36] <lupine_85> also chmod +x it
[11:36] <Dannilion> okay:)
[11:36] <wedgeV> h3sp4wn: dunno ;)
[11:36] <gdiebel> wedgeV: you could try: pkill -f azureus
[11:36] <wedgeV> i never kill amarok, unless i fucks up when loading AAC files
[11:36] <wedgeV> which i all converted to mp3...
[11:37] <sleepy495> I'm waiting for my .iso to finish, I hosed my linux system..
[11:37] <lupine_85> I tend to kill it whenever it starts one of it's fscking ruby scripts
[11:37] <sleepy495> does envy automatically download nvidia drivers?
[11:37] <gdiebel> sleepy495: yes the latest binary blob from nvidia
[11:38] <sleepy495> ok,thanks
[11:38] <Dannilion> thank you all :D
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: It happens more frequently to me seen as I normally run either debian sid or ubuntu+1
[11:38] <lupine_85> !nvidiabeta
[11:38] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[11:38] <lupine_85> also
[11:38] <lupine_85> which is marginally easier, I guess :)
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> he/she is running dapper
[11:39] <wedgeV> gdiebel: you are right, pkill -f checks the whole command line
[11:39] <fones> hey guys
[11:39] <vulcanius> dapper dan baby, only grease i use
[11:39] <fones> my windows died on me, and i need to back up a few files, so i thought i could use kubuntu live for this
[11:40] <fones> i'm in kubuntu now but i can't access any files from my c:, i can see my external drive fine though
[11:40] <fones> sorry i'm a linux noob
[11:40] <vulcanius> doesn't windows usually take it's files with it to the grave....
[11:40] <fones> but is there a way to get to those files?
[11:40] <ooda> hey hey,  question how can i install fluxbox form adept
[11:40] <fones> i hope not vulcanius
[11:40] <lupine_85> !info fluxbox edgy
[11:40] <ubotu> fluxbox: Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.15.1+1.0rc2-1 (edgy), package size 899 kB, installed size 2888 kB
[11:40] <lupine_85> install that
[11:40] <lupine_85> !universe
[11:40] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:40] <lupine_85> make sure you do that
[11:40] <wedgeV> fones: if kubuntu includes ntfs stuff, you should be able to
[11:41] <wedgeV> kubuntu live
[11:41] <fones> that's what it hought
[11:41] <MobsterLobster> !nvidia
[11:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:41] <fones> i can only see my external drives though, and my dvd drive
[11:41] <wedgeV> fones: but i think it should automount it
[11:41] <fones> i thought so too
[11:41] <fones> i mean i know it's not gone
[11:41] <fones> it has to be around, i just dont know where
[11:42] <fones> all i'm trying to do is backup a few files to my external drive
[11:42] <wedgeV> fones: what parition is it on?
[11:42] <fones> i'm using kubuntu live right now, windows was just on the c:
[11:42] <fones> there was only that partition
[11:44] <wedgeV> do you have IDE or SATA ?
[11:44] <ooda> thanks, are there any tutorials on changing the resolution?
[11:45] <wedgeV> you should be able to do that from the kde system settings
[11:45] <wedgeV> *should* ;)
[11:45] <fones> ide wedgeV
[11:45] <ooda> i want to set it to 1280x1024 but it doens't let me
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> That won't affect fluxbox
[11:45] <dwidmann> and if kde system settings doesn't go as high as you need to, you'll need to sudp dpkg-reconfigurer xserver-xorg
[11:45] <dwidmann> s/sudp/sudo
[11:46] <dwidmann> wow, two typos in one line, I'm on a role
[11:46] <wedgeV> fones: sudo -s
[11:46] <wedgeV> fones: mkdir /mnt/ntfs
[11:46] <wedgeV> fones: mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs
[11:46] <dwidmann> *sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg @ ooda
[11:46] <fones> thanks wedgeV i'll try that now
[11:47] <ooda> so just type that in the command line under sudo
[11:47] <dwidmann> copy & paste, without the *
[11:47] <Jucato> !xconfig | ooda
[11:47] <ubotu> ooda: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[11:47] <Tido> do you guys use ktorrent or prefer something else?
[11:47] <bandit> hi all ... is anyone here you can help me a little with my kubuntu installation? it stalls at the installation of wvdial
[11:47] <bandit> sorry vwdial
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> ooda: If you know your monitors specs you can set HorizSync and VertRefresh according to the manual
[11:48] <MobsterLobster> is there a command to tell you what driver you are using?\
[11:48] <wedgeV> wvdial
[11:48] <dwidmann> I prefer to ..... no use torrents (my internet conection is allergic)
[11:48] <bandit> :-)
[11:48] <dwidmann> s/no/not
[11:48] <wedgeV> i use azureus
[11:48] <k-server> ..
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> I use rtorrent (pretty infrequently though)
[11:49] <patton> que significa "apostar unos callos"
[11:49] <wedgeV> btw: doesnt ubuntu repos include that make-java or whatever it is called from debian?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> java-package
[11:49] <dwidmann> make-jpkg, I think
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> !info java-package
[11:49] <ubotu> java-package: utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.27 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 336 kB
[11:49] <MobsterLobster> Jucato how do i check which drivers im using?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> that includes make-jpkg
[11:49] <dwidmann> it won't work without some editing for java 6 though
[11:49] <fones> wedgeV: ok, i've done those
[11:49] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:50] <wedgeV> fones: and did you get any errors?
[11:50] <fones> is there anything else i should do after that?
[11:50] <fones> nope, no errors
[11:50] <sleepy495> !beryl
[11:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:50] <wedgeV> cd /mnt/ntfs
[11:50] <wedgeV> ls
[11:50] <wedgeV> see if the files are there ;)
[11:50] <fones> oooh
[11:50] <fones> they are :D
[11:50] <wedgeV> there you go
[11:50] <fones> thank you!
[11:50] <wedgeV> np
[11:50] <junocdx> dwidmann: sorry about that.  went afk
[11:51] <MobsterLobster> Jucato i checked that i just wondered if there was another way. what is the command for the 3d gears?
[11:51] <wedgeV> dwidmann: do you have a patch for java-package?
[11:51] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: glxgears
[11:51] <dwidmann> junocdx, no worries, I had to do the same, plus I got disconnected at one point
[11:51] <dwidmann> wedgev, I think I saw a patch for it on the ubuntuforums
[11:51] <dwidmann> in the cafe
[11:51] <fones> there is only 1 issue wedgeV
[11:51] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: but that doesn't tell you the driver you are using
[11:51] <fones> when i try to access that folder in konqueror, it says i do not have permission
[11:51] <wedgeV> dwidmann: thanks, i'll search
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> MobsterLobster: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf (should be obvious which is that video card driver)
[11:52] <MobsterLobster> no but it will see if my 3d drivers are working Jucato
[11:52] <dwidmann> I'll search to, see if I can save you the time
[11:52] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: glxinfo | grep rendering
[11:52] <Jucato> that's a more reliable way to find out
[11:52] <wedgeV> fones: yea, umm only root can access them
[11:52] <wedgeV> fones: you have to change the mount options
[11:52] <sleepy495> If I have a geforce 5900 card do I install xgl or aiglx?
[11:53] <fones> ah i see
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: Neither
[11:53] <fones> i'm not sure if i'm root or not
[11:53] <fones> i just loaded up live and here i am
[11:53] <fones> heh
[11:53] <wedgeV> fones: in kde your not
[11:53] <fones> gotcha, is there a way to login as root?
[11:53] <wedgeV> fones: in the terminal you are
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> sudo -i
[11:53] <MobsterLobster> Jucato it says all the GLX parts are missing
[11:53] <sleepy495> do I need anything then?
[11:53] <wedgeV> fones: you know how to use "cp" ?
[11:54] <fones> naw
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: nvidia-glx 9xxx
[11:54] <wedgeV> hehe
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: and the right kernel module
[11:54] <wedgeV> fones: ok
[11:54] <fones> sorry i haven't used linux for a few years :)
[11:54] <bandit> hi all ... is anyone here you can help me a little with my kubuntu installation? it stalls at the installation of wvdial
[11:54] <BluesKaj> ok azureus crashes when launched ...i know there's a fix , but my memory fails me ...anyone recall what it is ?
[11:54] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: hm... means 3D acceleration isn't working I guess
[11:54] <wedgeV> BluesKaj: uninstall gnu java i think
[11:54] <MobsterLobster> lol
[11:54] <wedgeV> (worked for me)
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: I guess just backport it from feisty if you are on dapper
[11:54] <wedgeV> fones: umount /mnt/ntfs
[11:54] <BluesKaj> I have java6 installed
[11:54] <fones> ok
[11:54] <junocdx> !mount
[11:55] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:55] <bandit> i checked the dvd already ... but i seems that it is ok
[11:55] <dwidmann> with regards to that make-jpkg patch, check here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316942&highlight=java
[11:55] <JosefK> BluesKaj: you could try explicitly launching it with java1.5
[11:55] <junocdx> !fstab
[11:55] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:55] <wedgeV> fones: mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=1000,umask=0000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs
[11:56] <wedgeV> thanks dwidmann!
[11:56] <fones> it says
[11:56] <fones> root@dhcppc1:/mnt/ntfs# umount /mnt/ntfs
[11:56] <fones> umount: /mnt/ntfs: device is busy
[11:56] <fones> umount: /mnt/ntfs: device is busy
[11:56] <fones> says it twice too for some reason
[11:57] <TheDebugger> fones: you're trying tu umount when you're probably in that folder
[11:57] <fones> ah
[11:57] <fones> ya
[11:57] <dwidmann> yw wedgev
[11:57] <wedgeV> fones: 'cd /' then try
[11:57] <fones> ok
[11:57] <fones> it's unmounted now
[11:57] <fones> now i'm doing the second part :)
[11:58] <wedgeV> ok
[11:58] <dwidmann> junocdx, I don't know if the message went through, but I put up what I believe to be the fix for the one thing a bit ago, right before I got disconnected
[11:59] <fones> wedgeV: done
[11:59] <junocdx> dwidmann: yes.. its fixed. =D
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> !nspluginwrapper
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <wedgeV> fones: ok, now browse to /mnt/ntfs in konqueror
[11:59] <fones> ok
[11:59] <wedgeV> fones: it should work now
[11:59] <dwidmann> junocdx: awesome :)
[11:59] <fones> yes it does!
[11:59] <fones> thanks again :D
[11:59] <wedgeV> np
[11:59] <bandit> hi ... can I do a complete manual installation with selection of the packages i want to install? .. is this the OEM-Installation ?
[12:00] <junocdx> dwidmann: eh.. I jinxed it. =\ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/995/
[12:00] <junocdx> more package BS
[12:00] <MobsterLobster> !ndiswrapper
[12:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:01] <dwidmann> junocdx, ugggghhhhhhh
[12:01] <MobsterLobster> was that what u wanted h3sp4wn?
[12:01] <junocdx> dwidmann: rofl...  my bad or yours?
[12:02] <bandit> can anyone give me an answer please ??? ...
[12:02] <junocdx> bandit: once you install it you can install/uninstall any packages you want.
[12:03] <Jucato> does anyone know if the kernel from ubuntu has FB (frame buffer) support? (or something like that..)
[12:04] <wedgeV> Jucato: i think it has
[12:04] <||arifaX> Jucato: yes it has
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: vesa compiled in statically
[12:04] <Jucato> wedgeV, ||arifaX how do I check it?
[12:04] <dwidmann> junocdx, mine, of course
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: makes using radeonfb or any of the others (which are accelerated a pita)
[12:05] <dwidmann> junocdx, I'm looking at that now, though it will take .... fooooorrrrrrrrrrrrr-eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvv-errrrrrrrrrrrrr at this rate
[12:05] <Jucato> ah
[12:05] <junocdx> dwidmann: im in no hurry! =D  I have other things to worry about
[12:05] <sleepy495> so if I don't need xgl or aiglx can I skip the steps mentioned in the How To's of Beryl?
[12:05] <dwidmann> junocdx, it doesn't seem to be downloading the package for me ... I'm not sure why
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: actually I think if you make sure the module you want is in the initramfs
[12:06] <||arifaX> dunno exactly but afaik the framebuffer is what displays the console and eg. the messages at boot so if you see them it is on but I dunno exactly
[12:06] <dwidmann> wait, I do believe that has something to do with it, something to do with my internet connection moving at the amazing fast speed of snail, sub-dialup speeds.
[12:06] <||arifaX> ^@ Jucato
[12:06] <dwidmann> currently 0.5-5kbs ....
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: You can use video:radeonfb:1280x1024@60 or some such syntax
[12:06] <Jucato> ah thanks
[12:06] <junocdx> time for a new isp
[12:06] <dwidmann> and I know I've not used that much bandwidth, it's just deciding to not like me at all right now :(
[12:07] <bandit> junocdx yes, but i got a freeze during the installation process and a want to leave a package (wvdial) out ...
[12:07] <gan|y|med> hi
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: But you need to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and put the module you need in there and use update-initramfs -k all -u (even then it doesn't seem to work all the time)
[12:08] <dwidmann> junocdx, line 1 of your paste looked interesting though, I'll need to investigate that further
[12:08] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: thanks
[12:09] <gan|y|med> my fglrx drivers stopped working. don't know why. thing is: fglrx driver is used (according to x log), but it uses the mesa opengl lib instead of the ati ones. installed from an ati package (installer), relinked files in /usr/lib, bothing helos
[12:09] <gan|y|med> any ideas?
[12:09] <flaccid> have a search of google/forums
[12:09] <junocdx> what card gany?
[12:09] <flaccid> its very common, gan|y|med
[12:09] <flaccid> and very annoying
[12:10] <junocdx> Anyone think they can help me figure out why KDE wont save my dual-screen settings?
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: the vesa fb uses vga=791 or whatever and the others use different syntax - linux-2.6.19.1/Documentation/fb/*.txt that tells you how to load them
[12:10] <flaccid> junocdx: linux
[12:11] <junocdx> linux just doesnt like dual screens?
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> you can use mergedfb or xinerama
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> or twinview if you use nvidia
[12:12] <jordo23> Does anyone know how to configure an Iriver H10 with Amarok under Kubuntu?
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: which version of amarok ?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> !azureus
[12:12] <gan|y|med> yes, especially as it "just" happened and i cannot trace back the reason (and there MUST be one)
[12:12] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: which version of amarok
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: sorry
[12:12] <Jucato> :P
[12:13] <sleepy495> h3sp4wn, can I skip sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[12:13] <sleepy495> if I don't need xgl or aiglx?
[12:13] <sleepy495> and just install beryl and it's repositories?
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: You don't if you have the right drivers
[12:14] <sleepy495> ok
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> !info nvidia-glx feisty
[12:14] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.9631+2.6.20.1-6 (feisty), package size 4386 kB, installed size 13352 kB
[12:14] <jordo23> h3sp4wn: 1.4.3
[12:14] <tamacracka> Hey guys...