[01:10] <kiko> mpt, nobody but the DBA can delete product series 
[01:11] <kiko> fujitsu: did you get some launchpad team membership email?
[01:11] <mdke> Lemming of the DBA
[01:17] <jamesh> hi kiko
[01:18] <poolie> hi kiko
[01:18] <poolie> and jamesh
[01:18] <kiko> hey jamesh 
[01:18] <kiko> hey poolie 
[01:18] <jamesh> I checked with the Brazilian Embassy, and they said they mailed my passport back today
[01:19] <jamesh> I was getting a bit worried because I'd sent it to them on the 14th December
[01:23] <kiko> jamesh, it's brazil. you know how it works.
[01:23] <jamesh> kiko: the telephone number for visa enquiries is only open 2 hours a day
[01:23] <jamesh> for me it is from 7am to 9am
[01:24] <kiko> that would require me take a phone to my morning bike ride which is most inconvenient
[01:24] <jamesh> (these are people in Canberra -- not Brazil
[01:24] <kiko> I know. I am just putting myself in your place
[01:25] <kiko> however
[01:25] <kiko> the embassy is not in canberra
[01:25] <jamesh> ?
[01:25] <kiko> it is in a brazilian plot of land within the canberra city limits
[01:25] <LarstiQ> :)
[01:25] <kiko> you keep your hands off my embassy
[01:25] <kiko> when we visit the australian embassy in brasilia it reminds us in big bold capitals that we are on australian soil
[01:26] <jamesh> it would be a 4-5 hour plane flight for me to get my hands on that plot of land
[01:26] <kiko> I spoke of hands figuratively
[01:26] <jamesh> yeah :)
[01:26] <jamesh> I wish .au would get rid of the visa requirement for Brazilians
[01:26] <jamesh> that way Brazil would get rid of the requirement for Australians
[01:26] <kiko> we would indeed
[01:27] <kiko> but I'm concerned about all the australians flocking for jobs to brazil
[01:27] <kiko> taking over our beaches
[01:27] <kiko> eating all our food
[01:27] <jamesh> but you don't mind kiwis like mpt getting in visa free?
[01:27] <kiko> you know what I mean
[01:28] <kiko> jamesh, be honest to yourself. how many people are there actually in NZ? mpt, his mom, dad, two sisters and the president.
[01:28] <jamesh> thumper too
[01:28] <jamesh> and a lot of sheep
[01:28] <kiko> thumper just moved in and wasn't included in the census
[01:28] <spiv> jamesh: even in NZ sheep don't get passports, though :)
[01:28] <kiko> i'm not concerned about the job market for sheep
[01:28] <jamesh> spiv: they don't generally need them to travel internationally
[01:29] <jamesh> lucky sheep
[01:29] <kiko> though it is true that sheep can ruin beaches and eat copious amounts of food
[01:29] <kiko> what was this conversation about again?
[01:29] <kiko> ah yes
[01:29] <kiko> let me know if the embassy doesn't send your passport
[01:30] <kiko> and I will talk to the embassy here to see wtf is wrong with those slackers
[01:30] <jamesh> it should be here by the end of the week
[01:30] <mpt> kiko, New Zealand has a president??
[01:30] <kiko> mpt, oh, so it's just the 5 of you, thumper and the sheep?
[01:31] <mpt> No, no, my third sister can be the president
[01:31] <mpt> She's studying politics
[01:31] <ajmitch> poor girl
[01:31] <jamesh> and the kiwi birds/fruit
[01:31] <jamesh> and ajmitch
[01:31] <Fujitsu_> kiko, pong?
[01:31] <kiko> how can anybody try to convince anyone that they are studying politics. your parents are 0wned
[01:32] <kiko> Fujitsu_, yes, I'd like to know if you got any launchpad membership email?
[01:32] <kiko> man vmware over remote X doesn't start up for me
[01:32] <kiko> how disgusting
[01:32] <Fujitsu_> Not for a couple of days... FOr any team in particular?
[01:33] <mpt> kiko, we think she actually plans a career as a spy
[01:33] <kiko> mpt, that's more like it. I know just the person for her to talk to.
[01:33] <mpt> kiko knows people who know people
[01:35] <jamesh> maybe she'll take up the option for New Zealand to become a state of Australia
[01:35] <jamesh> according to our constitution, NZ can do that
[01:37] <kiko> I knew jamesh was going to go for the low blow 
[01:37] <jamesh> I already mentioned NZ and sheep
[01:37] <mdke> NZ isn't a state of Australia?
[01:37] <jamesh> mdke: for some reason they want to stay independent
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78522 in launchpad-bazaar "xmlrpc failure shouldn't include exception details" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78522
[01:41] <jamesh> mdke: New Zealand is like 2 timezones east of Australia
[01:43] <mpt> NZ used to be a state of Australia
[01:43] <mpt> then we grew up
[01:44] <mdke> jamesh: doesn't stop hawaii
[01:44] <mdke> or France, which is one time zone east of England
[02:01] <mpt> Oh, cool: https://launchpad.net/amu
[03:31] <mpt> [Hobbsee]  ... #ubuntu-au
[03:31] <mpt> that explains it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> mpt: um, OK :)
[03:36] <mpt> (that was a quote from /whois, if you were wondering)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[05:28] <Bhaskar> jamesh:hello
[05:29] <jamesh> hi Bhaskar 
[05:30] <Bhaskar> jamesh: i think u are aslo programmer
[05:30] <jamesh> yep.
[05:35] <jamesh> so, it looks like Python hasn'
[05:35] <jamesh> t switched bug trackers yety
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78545 in launchpad "Launchpad config should be reset back to default after each test" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78545
[09:18] <carlos> morning!
[09:28] <matthewrevell_> carlos: morning :)
[09:30] <carlos> matthewrevell: hey
[09:31] <jkelly_> morning guys, does anyone know if the malone xml rpc integration with python exists?
[09:33] <lifeless> jkelly_: what do you mean?
[09:40] <jkelly_> is there a file bug api for launchpad in python?
[09:40] <jkelly_> https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC
[09:49] <BjornT> jkelly_: what exactly are you looking for? the MaloneXMLRPC document describes how to file a bug from python.
[09:56] <jkelly_> BjornT: sorry, i understand what i have to do now, thanks anyway :)
[09:56] <BjornT> cool :)
[10:01] <carlos> BjornT: ping
[10:01] <BjornT> hi carlos 
[10:02] <carlos> BjornT: hi, could you do a fast review for me? it's related with the discussion we had on Friday about escape chars and getting the right encoding
[10:03] <carlos> s/escape/escaped/
[10:07] <BjornT> carlos: sure. is it carlos/launchpad/bug-67138?
[10:07] <carlos> BjornT: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/carlos/launchpad/bug-67138/full-diff
[10:07] <carlos> BjornT: yes
[10:08] <BjornT> ok, i'll take a look at it now.
[10:09] <carlos> BjornT: cool, thanks
[10:14] <jkelly_> BjornT: would i have to do authentication myself? since it does not exist https://launchpad.net/malone/+bug/57742
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57742 in malone "xmlrpc filebug API raises TypeError exception" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[10:16] <BjornT> jkelly_: yes, you need to specify your username and password, using a URL like https://your@email.com:yourpassword@xmlrpc.launchpad.net/bugs/
[11:00] <sabdfl> greetings lunchpadders!
[11:07] <cprov> good morning, folks
[11:25] <WebMaven> lunchpadders?
[11:25] <WebMaven> Is that where you go to eat a meal in orbit?
[11:26] <WebMaven> sabdfl: are you coming to PyCon?
[11:33] <sabdfl> WebMaven: no, but i believe stevea and static are
[11:34] <WebMaven> Cool.
[11:34] <cprov> stub: ping
[11:34] <stub> cprov: pong
[11:35] <WebMaven> sabdfl: Is Canonical going to sponsor the conference?
[11:35] <cprov> stub: hi, which wiki page did you mean for "partial production db snapshots" ?
[11:43] <SteveA> WebMaven: Canonical is not directly sponsoring pycon.  We did just get provisionally accepted as PSF sponsors.
[11:43] <SteveA> to be approved by a members' vote at pycon.
[11:43] <SteveA> http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/2007-02-23/
[11:44] <WebMaven> Oh, as a sponsor *member*, OK.
[11:46] <WebMaven> That's very cool.
[11:48] <WebMaven> PyCon sponsorship needn't be expensive. A bag-insert sponsorship can be had for $200, for example: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/HowToSponsor
[11:53] <SteveA> WebMaven: that's an interesting idea.
[11:53] <SteveA> I want to get python developers to take a look at bazaar
[11:54] <SteveA> if you went to pycon and found a leaflet about bazaar in your conference pack, how would you feel?
[11:55] <WebMaven> depends on what it said, I guess.
[11:56] <WebMaven> A silver sponsorship gets you priority for Lightning Talks
[12:01] <WebMaven> BTW, inserts don't have to be printed materials.
[12:07] <SteveA> thanks for the suggestions.  I'll have a think about this one.
[12:08] <WebMaven> You're welcome. I hope to see you there.
[12:09] <stub> cprov: The one for your spec that you referenced in the email (the Soyuz test environment one I think)
[12:13] <cprov> stub: Oh, sorry I misunderstood you then, I was thinking about some kind of work-in-progress specific spec for this. No problem, I will work in a draft blacklist. Thank you.
[12:37] <xdatap> hi there
[12:37] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Hello
[12:38] <xdatap> seems today's recount of karma doesn't worked
[12:40] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Your karma still total doesn't match the total of the separate amounts in each part of Launchpad?
[12:40] <xdatap> matthewrevell: yes. But it's the same of yesterday, but yesterday i worked on bugs
[12:41] <xdatap> so, probably the program that calculate the karma doesn't run today
[12:41] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Karma isn't updated immediately and can take up to two or three days.
[12:41] <mattl> LP has karma?
[12:42] <xdatap> matthewrevell: oh, 2 or 3. I'm thinking the calculate was daily
[12:42] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Check tomorrow and your total should be updated.
[12:43] <xdatap> matthewrevell: ok, thanks
[12:43] <matthewrevell> xdatap: No problem :)
[12:44] <xdatap> i go, bye
[12:45] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah, it's a way to give a rough idea of how much each person has done.
[12:46] <mattl> ah, so how do you get karma?
[12:46] <matthewrevell> mattl: Reporting a bug, translating some text, updating a blueprint. Just about anything really.
[12:46] <mattl> can you lose it?
[12:47] <matthewrevell> mattl: Not that I know of.
[12:47] <mattl> okay. thanks :)
[12:47] <matthewrevell> mattl: I think it degrades, over time, so you need to remain active to retain a high level.
[12:48] <mattl> ahh, that makes sense.
[12:48] <mattl> matthewrevell: having fun in the new job?
[12:49] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah :) Lots and lots to learn and I will never be stuck for something to do, which is good :)
[12:49] <mattl> you're the Launchpad marketing manager?
[12:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:50] <matthewrevell> mattl: That's one thing you could call it. My job is like a mix of what Jono does for Ubuntu, with marketing and communications thrown in
[12:50] <matthewrevell> mattl: I'm the Launchpad community/communications/marketing bloke. :)
[12:50] <mattl> heh.
[12:51] <mattl> will we see Launchpad ads?
[12:51] <matthewrevell> mattl: Ads *for* Launchpad? There are no plans for traditional advertising at the moment, but never say never.
[12:53] <matthewrevell> mattl: You might see the occasional Google ad in the future, and there have been some in the past.
[12:53] <mattl> Actually, I'm not sure I see Google ads, but it could be an interesting one.
[12:54] <mattl> Further to our chat last week, I'm formulating ideas on how freedoms should apply to web applications.
[12:54] <matthewrevell> mattl: Cool, I'd love to read/hear your thoughts.
[12:54] <mattl> I'd be interested to know your feelings on the subject when I send it out.
[12:54] <matthewrevell> mattl: absolutely. Please put me on your list of people to see it :)
[12:55] <mattl> Heh, it's quite the list now. It seems a lot of people have an opinion on it.
[12:56] <mattl> Did you see Second Life now free software?
[12:56] <mattl> is now
[12:57] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah, that's pretty cool. We interviewed one of the Linden Labs guys on LugRadio a few months back and he mentioned they were considering/planning it. I didn't realise it was going to be so soon, though.
[12:58] <mattl> Sooner the better, really. I'd like to see more games become free software.
[12:58] <mattl> I'm interested in the idea of writing a free software game for many platforms, but I'm not sure that the likes of Nintendo would accommodate such innovation.
[12:59] <matthewrevell> mattl: It's easier for Second Life to open their client, than a lot of games, though, because they're subscription based.
[12:59] <matthewrevell> mattl: Ever spoken to Pepsiman? He's ported Linux to the Nintendo DS
[12:59] <mattl> Second Life has a free-of-charge subscription, I believe.
[01:00] <mattl> I've been meaning to get GNU/Linux onto the DS.
[01:00] <mattl> I'd like to see it on the Wii.
[01:00] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah, but you buy Linden dollars to do stuff in the world, using real dollars. So, it's not reliant on people buying a boxed version of the game.
[01:01] <mattl> As the Wii has a standard SD Card reader, I can envisage where you could buy a free software loader, and then load games from the SD Card.
[01:01] <mattl> The loader would have to be on the regular sized disks.
[01:01] <mattl> Until someone works out a way to do it with just the SD Card.
[01:01] <matthewrevell> I'd best crack on, tbh. Look forward to seeing your document on software freedoms and web services.
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78562 in rosetta "Missing Firestarter translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78562
[01:18] <static> hello launchpad!
[01:22] <carlos> SteveA: ping
[01:22] <carlos> or kiko-zzz
[01:23] <SteveA> carlos: ?
[01:24] <carlos> SteveA: The people at https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/ have some .pot upload requests
[01:24] <carlos> SteveA: I wonder whether they could be considered upstream in that context
[01:24] <carlos> I think so, but I would like to confirm it
[01:24] <carlos> SteveA: they are an Ubuntu derivative
[01:25] <SteveA> what a confusing name :-)  I thought it would be medically-themed ubuntu
[01:25] <carlos> and from what I see, the requests are for packages that are not included in Ubuntu already
[01:25] <carlos> Multimedia, Entertainment & Distraction In Ubuntu
[01:25] <carlos> ;-)
[01:26] <SteveA> I don't really understand what you're asking me, and what the consequences of a decision are.
[01:26] <SteveA> I'm going for lunch now, can this wait until later?
[01:26] <carlos> sure
[01:26] <carlos> I will ping you later
[01:27] <SteveA> ok
[01:35] <carlos> see you!
[01:46] <kiko-zzz> hey carlos 
[01:46] <kiko> good morning
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78565 in launchpad "no direct link from bug comment page to corresponding bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78565
[02:51] <kiko> BjornT, ping?
[02:51] <BjornT> hi kiko 
[02:51] <kiko> how's it going old man
[02:52] <BjornT> it's going good, working on implementing the malone side of the bug reporting tool.
[02:52] <kiko> cool -- mdz  was asking me about that. is the cloakroom stuff working as expected?
[02:55] <BjornT> well, i haven't come that far yet, i'm still writing the tests. but i'd think it should work as expected.
[03:02] <kiko> BjornT, ah. what does the API for retrieving the blob look like?
[03:06] <BjornT> kiko: in python? it's ITemporaryStorageManager.fetch(token)
[03:06] <kiko> BjornT, and you get the content back as a string or something?
[03:07] <BjornT> kiko: almost. you get some object, and object.blob is the uploaded data as a string.
[03:07] <kiko> okay, sounds pretty simple.
[03:08] <kiko> BjornT, and we do no parsing of the blob, right? just add it as an attachment and that's it?
[03:09] <BjornT> kiko: no, we will parse it, either append to the description, add as a comment, or add as an attachment.
[03:10] <kiko> BjornT, oh. so a very custom parse at that. how do we know what type the blob is? is there a signature or something?
[03:11] <BjornT> kiko: the blob is a multipart MIME message, so it's easy to parse. we know what to do with the different parts by looking at the Content-Disposition header for each part.
[03:11] <kiko> BjornT, my question is more how do we differentiate from different types of blob?
[03:11] <kiko> i.e. for future-proofing and also "spam"-proofing.
[03:13] <BjornT> there's only one type of blobs so far. if it's not a valid MIME message, we'll display an error message. this is done on the +filebug page, though. anything can still be uploaded, but only the +filebug page will be able to access them.
[03:15] <kiko> BjornT, yeah, I know, with a GET-informed token.
[03:15] <kiko> BjornT, what do we do when we have a second type of blob? I'd like at least some sort of identifiable signature somewhere somehow. can that be arranged?
[03:17] <BjornT> kiko: it'd be easy to add a custom header to mime message. something like X-Launchpad-Bug-Report-Info: 1.0
[03:18] <kiko> BjornT, is the format highly ubuntu-specific or could, say, firefox or python use it?
[03:20] <BjornT> kiko: there's nothing ubuntu-specifict about it, so we could document it properly on help.launchpad.net and let any project use it.
[03:21] <kiko> BjornT, okay, I like both those ideas. maybe work with somebody to document the format so you don't have to?
[03:23] <BjornT> kiko: well, i'm going to document it anyway in the doctests. but i guess i could ask someone to look at the doctests and produce user documentation from that.
[03:24] <kiko> right
[03:24] <kiko> could matthewrevell do that I wonder?
[03:27] <matthewrevell> kiko, BjornT: Yep, I can do that.
[03:28] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Let me know when you've got something you want me to look at.
[03:28] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Or if you want to write some notes, I can turn it into docs
[03:28] <kiko> it should be straightforward -- the doctests should provide the best notes possible 
[03:30] <matthewrevell> kiko: So, the documentation is for an API that allows third party tools to report bugs directly into Malone?
[03:30] <BjornT> matthewrevell: cool. it's probably best to do it after the distro sprint, so don't expect anything before the beginning of february.
[03:31] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Okay, nice one. Just let me know when you need me.
[03:31] <kiko> matthewrevell, not exactly, but related. it's for a data format that a tool can upload and then give the user a handle that he can use when filing a bug to retrieve it.
[03:31] <kiko> matthewrevell, so I can upload a file containing a dump file and a traceback and some information about the environment 
[03:32] <kiko> then with the handle I get back from launchpad
[03:32] <kiko> I can go in and file a bug and launchpad knows to pull the coat out of the cloakroom and attach it to your bug in a way that makes sense.
[03:32] <kiko> maybe the traceback and env info goes in a comment and the dump goes in as an attachment
[03:33] <matthewrevell> kiko: Right, I see, thanks.
[03:33] <kiko> matthewrevell, the upload is meant to be done by a tool, in the case of ubuntu, which will hand off to a +filebug in firefox
[03:34] <matthewrevell> kiko: Right.
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78577 in launchpad "Send notifications when a new member is added to a team" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78577
[04:28] <kiko-fud> salgado, is that not done today?
[04:28] <salgado> kiko-fud, not when you use the +addmember page
[04:29] <kiko-fud> salgado, should the event not be triggered in the domain class instead to avoid this?
[04:32] <salgado> we don't have an event for that
[04:32] <salgado> what we have currently is notifications for status changes, not for addition of new members
[04:32] <kiko-fud> s/the event/an event?
[06:32] <rolando-ve> hi
[06:32] <rolando-ve> I need a littel help
[06:32] <rolando-ve> mya anyone help me,please
[06:32] <rolando-ve> this is the case
[06:33] <rolando-ve> I did help to create the ubuntu-sv (ElSalvadorTeam) project in LaunchPad
[06:33] <salgado> rolando-ve, is that a project or a team?
[06:34] <rolando-ve> but when I did try to give the owern to the lider user of ElSalvador, the I dont know what happened a assign the owenr to other user
[06:34] <rolando-ve> a Team
[06:34] <rolando-ve> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sv
[06:35] <rolando-ve> now, I cant give the own to the correct user
[06:35] <rolando-ve> :(
[06:35] <rolando-ve> what can i do?
[06:36] <rolando-ve> Fritznl is the own now, and must be navnelson
[06:36] <rolando-ve> I mistake
[06:37] <salgado> rolando-ve, let me try to get somebody to fix this for you
[06:37] <rolando-ve> salgado, thanks!
[06:37] <salgado> kiko-fud, can you change the owner of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sv from 'na' to 'navnelson7'?
[06:45] <kiko-fud> salgado, sure.
[07:09] <kiko> rolando-ve, salgado: done.
[07:10] <rolando-ve> Thank you
[07:10] <rolando-ve> Thanks salgado , kiko 
[07:11] <rolando-ve> see you
[07:13] <jmedina> hello there
[07:14] <jmedina> I just join to an launchpad group, and Im inviting some friends to ask their doubts there
[07:14] <jmedina> but I dont see any page where they can ask
[07:14] <jmedina> I only see the "Answers" page
[07:15] <carlos> jmedina: that page is associated with a product
[07:15] <carlos> jmedina: not teams
[07:15] <jmedina> ok
[07:15] <carlos> seems like what you want is a forum
[07:15] <carlos> but we don't have such feature
[07:15] <carlos> or a mailing list
[07:16] <jmedina> then, for example https://answers.launchpad.net/
[07:16] <jmedina> who and how those answers were made?
[07:16] <jmedina> jeje
[07:16] <carlos> jmedina: that's for user support linked with a product or distribution
[07:17] <carlos> if you have a problem with Ubuntu, you open one and the developers will try to solve your problem
[07:17] <carlos> or with launchpad itself
[07:17] <carlos> is not exactly a forum
[07:18] <jmedina> yes, I know
[07:18] <jmedina> thanks I found the request support form
[07:18] <jmedina> and now I understand it
[07:18] <jmedina> thanks
[07:19] <carlos> np
[08:07] <radix> If I want to request the ability to specify columns to display in bug listing tables, should I file a bug (I couldn't find any existing bugs about that)
[08:10] <kiko> that bug is already filed
[08:12] <radix> I must be searching for the wrong terms...
[08:12] <radix> kiko: do you know the number or at least some likely search terms to find it? :)
[08:12] <kiko> I'm looking
[08:15] <kiko> how weird
[08:15] <radix> maybe someone rejected it?
[08:18] <kiko> matsubara, help?
[08:19] <matsubara> kiko: maybe you're looking for you comment in bug https://launchpad.net/malone/+bug/3752
[08:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3752 in malone "Bug lists should provide a way to change the query" [Medium,Fix released]   - Assigned to Brad Bollenbach (bradb)
[08:19] <matsubara> s/you comment/your comment/
[08:20] <radix> that looks close
[08:20] <kiko> you know everything matsubara 
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78596 in malone "Automatically handle moving duplicates across when duplicating a bug with dupes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78596
[08:20] <kiko> radix, I'm amazed at the fact that the bug is perhaps not reported then
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78597 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "lpdebs needs graphviz-cairo package for dapper amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78597
[08:26] <matsubara> BjornT: shouldn't lp.net/malone/bugs/$bugid redirect to lp.net/bugs/$bugid? If yes, is there a bug filed on it?
[08:28] <BjornT> matsubara: do we have many 404 for such URLs?
[08:29] <matsubara> BjornT: I haven't checked the 404s, but all my old bugmail has the malone/bugs/$bugid url and would be nice to have that redirect to the bug instead of a 404
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78598 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "import policy violations in gina" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78598
[08:31] <radix> kiko: so then, should I file a different bug for it?
[08:31] <kiko> radix, yes, I think that's the only way to move forward in this quagmire
[08:34] <kiko> hullo seb128 
[08:34] <radix> kiko: cool then.
[08:34] <seb128> hey kiko
[08:35] <BjornT> matsubara: hmm. i guess it might be worth adding a redirect for it.
[08:37] <matsubara> BjornT: okie. I'll file a bug then.
[08:44] <seb128> grumpf
[08:44] <seb128> launchpad seems to eat the control-center uploads today
[08:44] <kiko> seb128, no warnings sent back? 
[08:44] <kiko> cprov, ping?
[08:44] <cprov> kiko: pong
[08:45] <kiko> cprov, have a sec to look on mawson to see what's happening to seb's uploads?
[08:45] <seb128> kiko: no, no mail, nothing
[08:45] <cprov> seb128: we had problems with gpg keys
[08:45] <cprov> kiko: drescher :)
[08:45] <seb128> I've uploaded 2.17.5-0ubuntu1 for control-center some hours ago and no sign from it
[08:45] <cprov> seb128: I will check it again, no mail isn't expected.
[08:46] <seb128> and no 2.17.5-0ubuntu2, same (not sure if I should upload the .orig.tar.gz again then)?
[08:46] <kiko> cprov, ah
[08:46] <seb128> cprov: thank you
[08:46] <seb128> I got other packages accepted during the day
[08:46] <seb128> so it's not likely to be a problem with my key
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78602 in malone "Redirect /malone/bugs/$bugid to /bugs/$bugid" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78602
[08:51] <cprov> seb128: it failed, indeed, by the gpg issue we had today -> GPG verification of control-center_2.17.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes failed: No public key
[08:52] <seb128> cprov: what should I do? I uploaded a 2.17.5-0ubuntu2 some minutes ago
[08:52] <cprov> seb128: you can either re-upload it or request distro-guys to re-process it 
[08:52] <seb128> but without the orig
[08:52] <seb128> should I upload -0ubuntu2 again but with the orig then?
[08:52] <seb128> ok
[08:52] <seb128> thank you
[08:53] <cprov> seb128: it also failed ... I guess, let me see
[08:54] <cprov> seb128: btw, we still having the *gpg issue* I thought it was gone ...
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78605 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "get rid of 'test left new threads behind' messages during 'make check'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78605
[08:59] <kiko> radix, did you file it?
[09:00] <radix> kiko: I did. I don't know why it didn't show up here... #76808
[09:00] <radix> er, #78608
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78608 in malone "Allow specifying arbitrary columns in bug listings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78608
[09:01] <radix> heh
[09:01] <kiko> it takes 5 minutes
[09:02] <radix> oh, I guess the same lag as email?
[09:03] <seb128> cprov: do you have a list of uploads that go rejected due to the gpg error?
[09:03] <seb128> because without feedback we might not upload them again
[09:03] <kiko> radix, ubugtu gets bugmail!
[09:03] <radix> kiko: ahhh :)
[09:03] <seb128> would be nice to get a rejected mail when that happens
[09:05] <cprov> seb128: that's a good idea, can get someone from distro-team either to build a list of suspicious failures or to re-process them
[09:05] <cprov> seb128: I'm working to find the cause of the problem and hopefully fix it ...
[09:07] <seb128> cprov: ok, I will ping Tollef about that
[09:07] <seb128> after dinner
[09:07] <seb128> dinner time for now ;)
[09:08] <cprov> seb128: okay, I will be here too
[09:08] <kiko> cprov, what do you think happened?
[09:08] <cprov> kiko: looks like unreachable keyserver, but gpgme debug is so poor 
[09:09] <radix> gpgme is terrrrrible.
[09:10] <kiko> cprov, http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6E63F4AA works from here, fwiw
[09:11] <cprov> kiko: right, but it doesn't inside p-u run, exits with 'No public key'
[09:11] <cprov> kiko: which is the same for truly not found keys or unreachable server or /who know what else/
[09:12] <kiko> cprov, mmmm. can you access that URL from drescher manually?
[09:12] <kiko> cprov, can we add a sanity check to p-u that fetches a known key as a way to ensure that the keyserver is working and otherwise blow up and say "THE ROOF IS ON FIRE"?
[09:13] <cprov> kiko: gpg works when we call it manually on drescher
[09:14] <kiko> hummm.
[09:14] <kiko> did we change anything elsewhere since yesterday?
[09:14] <cprov> kiko: maybe, *pinging* keyserver would give us more information about the problem
[09:15] <kiko> cprov, well, ping doesn't ensure that the keyserver is actually working, only that the host is up
[09:15] <cprov> kiko: nothing on soyuz, dunno about the DC infra, but I guess not, elmo is aware of the problem and helping to debug
[09:15] <kiko> mmm
[09:15] <cprov> kiko: I meant high level *ping*, as you suggested
[09:16] <cprov> as "retrieving a known key"
[09:17] <kiko> ah right
[09:17] <kiko> yes
[09:18] <cprov> kiko: it's really strange because it works sometimes, for the same keys (seb's one, for instance)
[09:26] <cprov> kiko: the maximum debug you can get from gpgme is a tuple, (7, 9, 'No public key'), which is really distressing 
[09:27] <kiko> cprov, so seb's key always works?
[09:27] <kiko> or does it only work sometimes?
[09:27] <cprov> kiko: only sometimes
[09:28] <kiko> cprov, ethereal or tcpdump to the rescue?
[09:28] <cprov> kiko: back to the basis ...
[09:29] <kiko> you said it man
[09:42] <glatzor> hi. A German company contacted me, since they want to use launchpad for their Java based app. To whom can I forward the request?
[09:43] <kiko> glatzor, to me, but they can go ahead, register a product and start using Launchpad without any explicit permission. or is it a proprietary app?
[09:43] <glatzor> kiko: yes. www.netavis.net
[09:44] <glatzor> It's a proprietary one.
[09:44] <kiko> glatzor, okay. in that case please have them contact elliot@canonical.com please.
[09:44] <glatzor> kiko: fine.
[09:45] <kiko> glatzor, many thanks for referring this.
[09:45] <static> glatzor: Hi, I'm elliot. Like kiko said, thanks for referring this.
[09:45] <glatzor> static: thanks for providing lp to the Ubuntu project :)
[09:46] <static> glatzor: :) I just started working on it a few weeks ago, so haven't done much yet, but your sentiment is appreciated by the whole team.
[09:50] <kiko> static is being humble. he has masterminded this whole project since he was an infant and only now is he making his persona known to the world.
[09:51] <kiko> that mark character is smoke and mirrors to distract
[10:00] <mdke> aww. We really need a "Mark all fix committed bugs as released" button
[10:03] <kiko> mdke, when release happens?
[10:04] <mdke> kiko: well, not automatically, although that would be nice.
[12:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:02] <mdke> hiya mpt