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| keescook | has anyone played with the vmware player in feisty? All the fonts are busted, and I can't figure out why. :( | 12:39 |
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| ogra | keescook, i tried it some (6 probably) weeks ago ... worked flawless back then | 12:45 |
| keescook | ogra: I'm convinced it's my own fault somehow.. but I don't even know how to debug it. I've tried messing with locale settings, etc. no luck. | 12:46 |
| keescook | but, it's only the player itself, so I just lick on all the "OK" icons, and I've got my VM running. :) | 12:46 |
| ogra | i know mvo packaged it in dapper, he probably has an idea or knows someone to point you to | 12:46 |
| keescook | (heh: breezy VM image update: "210 new updates found") | 12:46 |
| keescook | ogra: cool, thanks, I'll see if I can catch him tomorrow morning. | 12:47 |
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| lifeless | anyone around who knows how to make an initramfs have all modules ? | 02:04 |
| HrdwrBoB | it does already.. | 02:06 |
| HrdwrBoB | or it used to | 02:06 |
| ogra | lifeless, initramfs.conf has a variable for that iirc | 02:09 |
| ogra | (in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf) | 02:10 |
| lifeless | ogra: thanks! | 02:11 |
| ogra | lifeless, btw, wats planned wih the website of hwdb.ubuntu.com ... its not working at all ... is that wanted by you and mdz or should i try to fix it ? | 02:12 |
| ogra | i understand that we dont want full access until the data is stripped ... | 02:12 |
| ogra | but the page used to show some basic info like CPU, RAM and graphcs adapter ... | 02:12 |
| lifeless | ogra: problem is that there is no 'all', just partial solutions :( | 02:13 |
| ogra | and some people seem to use it | 02:13 |
| ogra | right ... | 02:13 |
| lifeless | hmm, I'll try comma separated, see if that works... | 02:13 |
| ogra | but the partial solution suddenly just stopped working from a user POV | 02:13 |
| lifeless | ogra: I'm still talking initramfs sorry | 02:13 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 02:14 |
| lifeless | ogra: w.r.t. the hwdb I understand cr3 is working on something with a real db | 02:14 |
| lifeless | its not desired to be completely functionless, but until we sort out the privacy aspects, the site cant really work - which is why the data is moved to a different machine, where the ubuntu core folk can login and grep the reports | 02:15 |
| ogra | ... /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions has the module loading functions it should be easy to modify them to just load all modules ... (i even think the "most" option dos it ) | 02:16 |
| ogra | ok, understood ... | 02:16 |
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| lifeless | most doesn't :) | 02:21 |
| lifeless | still, net will do, I just need to get the magic invocation to preserve my personal initramfs | 02:22 |
| lifeless | - building a LiveNetBoot | 02:22 |
| ogra | ah | 02:25 |
| ogra | well, netboot should be what you want then ... actually LTSP should e what you want | 02:26 |
| ogra | :) | 02:26 |
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| lifeless | ogra: ah, but I want to boot the regular livecd, not edubuntu ;) | 02:27 |
| lifeless | ogra: that is, run out of the squashfs etc. So I need casper and so on | 02:27 |
| ogra | well the initscript of an ltsp client is pretty similar to casper :) | 02:28 |
| lifeless | really, unionfs etc ? | 02:28 |
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| lifeless | because, I have this working except for ethernet detection. Something funky with udev. | 02:29 |
| ogra | no, unionfs doesnt like nfs ... | 02:29 |
| ogra | its readonly mounted nfs root where we bind mount the writeable parts to a tmpfs | 02:29 |
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| Lathiat | i was using unionfs to join 4 mounted hard drives together to save hunting around one ach one and it died quite often especially when writing | 02:30 |
| ogra | then run similar scripts to casper that configure X, sound etc ... | 02:30 |
| lifeless | ogra: yeah, the nfs gets mounted readonly to reduce unionfs<->nfs flitches | 02:30 |
| ogra | well, initially we mounted it readonly out of security reasons ... | 02:31 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPFatClients should give you a netbooted workstation ... | 02:33 |
| ogra | (drop the edubuntu-auth-client parts and just make sure t copy over your servers /etc/passwd to the chroot if you dont want to set up ldap ... | 02:34 |
| ogra | ) | 02:34 |
| ogra | (look at the code section at the bottom) | 02:34 |
| lifeless | yah | 02:34 |
| ogra | oh, and LTSP != edubuntu ;) | 02:34 |
| lifeless | ;) | 02:34 |
| ogra | ltsp is ubuntu stuff .... | 02:35 |
| ogra | edubuntu is just the reference implementation where i prove that its possible to have it properly running right away out of the box .... | 02:35 |
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| ogra | hmm, where is m reciept mail for the upload i did 30 min ago ... | 02:40 |
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| bhale | ogra: i havent been getting mail from -changes since this morning | 02:41 |
| ogra | ah, k then i blame LP and wait until tomorrow | 02:42 |
| ogra | its not urgent anyway ... its just that i'm german .... we're reciept addicts :) | 02:43 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: soyuz probably ate it again | 02:47 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue shows it, so i'm fine ... | 02:49 |
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| keescook | good evening folks, I gotta go make dinner. :) | 02:52 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:59 |
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| _ion | From deskbar-applet's changelog.Debian: - Prevents binding of keys a-z and shit-a-z. | 03:10 |
| _ion | :-) | 03:10 |
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| lifeless | I wonder if calling udevtrigger from initramfs is very evil, or just mildly evil. | 03:15 |
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| lifeless | ogra: so its working anyhow, just needed to get the net devices detected. | 03:31 |
| lifeless | ogra: what does ltsp use to trigger that? udevtrigger + udevsettle ? | 03:32 |
| ogra | udev, yes | 03:33 |
| ogra | i didnt touch that area specifically, it just works :) | 03:34 |
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| bhale | Ubugtu: seen geser | 05:03 |
| bhale | !seen geser | 05:03 |
| bhale | yawn | 05:03 |
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| Hobbsee | bhale: [15:04] [Notice] -SeenServ- I last saw geser (n=michael@85.25.108.73) 3h 37m 15s ago, quiting: "Leaving" | 05:04 |
| Fujitsu_ | bhale, it's ubotu that does the !seen stuff, and it's not meant to be in #-devel. | 05:05 |
| bhale | hm ok | 05:06 |
| bhale | sorry. | 05:06 |
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| Hobbsee | :) | 05:06 |
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| Solarion | heya bhale | 05:19 |
| bhale | hello | 05:19 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:05 |
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| somerville32 | morning | 06:05 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 06:19 |
| _ion | summon dholbach | 06:20 |
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| hype | http://kmwarren.imarichkid.hop.clickbank.net | 06:21 |
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| cjwatson | lifeless: ? | 07:50 |
| lifeless | hi | 07:50 |
| lifeless | so I have implemented a manual version of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD for LCA | 07:50 |
| lifeless | that is, I have a machine which serves out netboot casper with the squashfs from the edgy CD | 07:51 |
| lifeless | everything except ubiquity seems to work ok. ubiquity fails to copy over the running image - it goes straight from 'formatting partition' to 'applying language' | 07:52 |
| lifeless | and languageapply fails because /etc/default is missing | 07:52 |
| cjwatson | the latter is a red herring, of course | 07:52 |
| cjwatson | ok, so there are several things you need to do | 07:52 |
| lifeless | where should I look to find out what is going on, so I can fix it. the install is rather opaque :( | 07:52 |
| cjwatson | firstly, is this edgy? | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | oh, yes, it is | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | so in edgy, there's a kernel bug which means that you can't just leave the image mounted on /rofs | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | which is what ubiquity used to use as a copy source | 07:54 |
| lifeless | hmm, I'm not sure that its being left on /rofs anyway | 07:54 |
| cjwatson | instead, you have to teach ubiquity how to mount it for itself; it's in scripts/install.py:mount_source (and umount_source) | 07:54 |
| cjwatson | it won't be - we changed that at the 11th hour before release | 07:54 |
| lifeless | oh | 07:54 |
| lifeless | so the install.py mount_source is trying ot mount the cd rather than knowing to go to the NFS share ? | 07:55 |
| cjwatson | there are also a few places in scripts/install.py that look for manifests in /cdrom/casper/; you'll have to teach those to look elsewhere | 07:55 |
| lifeless | is the source the squashfs ? | 07:55 |
| cjwatson | correct, it has no idea of how to do it over NFS | 07:55 |
| lifeless | I can make the cd be on /cdrom, thats easy | 07:55 |
| cjwatson | if you make the CD be on /cdrom, that will save you a fair amount of pissing about | 07:56 |
| lifeless | doing...done | 07:56 |
| cjwatson | the kernel bug in question was to do with multiply-mounted squashfses; I don't think your approach will trigger that | 07:56 |
| lifeless | I have 17-10-generic anyhow, is that fixed ? | 07:57 |
| cjwatson | that's edgy's kernel. no. | 07:57 |
| cjwatson | we had to work around it literally the day before release | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | anyway, with a fake /cdrom it should all be happy - let me know if it isn't | 07:59 |
| cjwatson | #ubuntu-installer maybe, as it's quieter | 07:59 |
| lifeless | k | 07:59 |
| lifeless | not that this is a riotous place right now ;) | 07:59 |
| cjwatson | true, but it will be later :) | 08:01 |
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| lifeless | jdub: craptop just installed via the net thanks to cjwatson's pointer :) | 08:17 |
| lifeless | jdub: 7 minutes end to end | 08:17 |
| macd | is there any ETA on edgy w/xen supporting more than one domU >? | 08:19 |
| lifeless | macd: it does now ? | 08:19 |
| macd | yes but 2 domUs locks dom0. | 08:20 |
| macd | its a known issue, Im wondering if there is a ETA in a fix | 08:20 |
| macd | on* | 08:20 |
| fabbione | macd: you want to talk to zul on ubuntu-kernel | 08:20 |
| macd | tyvm | 08:21 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:49 |
| somerville32 | Whats the e-mail address for rt again? | 08:49 |
| fabbione | rt@admins.c.c | 08:50 |
| somerville32 | thanks | 08:50 |
| fabbione | admin.c.c | 08:50 |
| fabbione | sorry | 08:50 |
| lifeless | jdub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD | 08:54 |
| fabbione | this is interesting... | 08:55 |
| fabbione | i need to hit partioner a few times before i can actually use it.. | 08:55 |
| lifeless | try moving the mouse outside the window and back into it | 08:55 |
| lifeless | does that make the button respond more easily ? | 08:56 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: i have a strange bug in d-i.. i would love your help to look at it when you are awake | 08:56 |
| fabbione | lifeless: i am in text mode.. | 08:56 |
| lifeless | fabbione: ! oh | 08:56 |
| lifeless | cjwatson is heading to London | 08:56 |
| fabbione | lifeless: yeah it's ok.. i am not in a hurry | 08:56 |
| fabbione | and i think it happens only in a specific case | 08:56 |
| fabbione | mount /dev/hdc /cdrom | 08:57 |
| fabbione | mount: /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only | 08:57 |
| fabbione | mount: Mounting /dev/hdc on /cdrom failed: Invalid argument | 08:57 |
| fabbione | doh! | 08:58 |
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| dholbach | heya Zdra | 09:00 |
| Zdra | hello :) | 09:00 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: could you make all the language-support source packages contain a full copy of the GPL, please? | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | the packaging there is licenced under the GPL, but they don't contain a copy of it, which they should. | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | also, good morning. :-) | 09:10 |
| pitti | hi Mithrandir | 09:10 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: why do they need a full copy, when a pointer to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL suffices for all other packages? | 09:11 |
| pitti | oh, *source* | 09:11 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: sure, will do | 09:12 |
| Mithrandir | yes, source package. The binaries are fine. | 09:12 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: committed to langpack-o-matic; thanks! | 09:15 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: cheers. | 09:15 |
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| pitti | Riddell: do you plan to upload a new amarok and/or new qt3/4 soon? | 10:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: I need to do some rebuilds for libpq4 -> libpq5 transition | 10:27 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: can you hold those until after herd-2 is out? | 10:34 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: hm, already uploaded the first one... | 10:34 |
| pitti | (cyrus-sasl2, shoulnd't be on the CD) | 10:34 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ok, please leave it at that, then? | 10:34 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: sure, I can stall them | 10:34 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 10:34 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: when is h2 planned? | 10:35 |
| Mithrandir | thursday. | 10:35 |
| === Mithrandir points pitti to the release schedule. :-P | ||
| doko | Mithrandir: please could you sync ttf-dejavu before h2? | 10:35 |
| === pitti admits being lazy | ||
| ivoks | in two days :) | 10:35 |
| Mithrandir | doko: sure, that should be possible. | 10:36 |
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| Keybuk | ... well, it *almost* resumed from suspend | 10:44 |
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| lifeless | Keybuk: hey, with udev, in initramfs, whats the voodoo to say 'please find network cards for me' | 11:12 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: I'm looking for a smaller hammer than 'sbin/udevtrigger && sbin/udevsettle' | 11:12 |
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| Keybuk | lifeless: which release? | 11:26 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: edgy | 11:26 |
| lifeless | udevtrigger -Cnet doesn't seem to find them, which was my first attempt | 11:26 |
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| Keybuk | lifeless: no, that'd only bring up network interfaces that already existed | 11:31 |
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| Keybuk | udevtrigger -bpci -Iclass=0x06* | 11:32 |
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| lifeless | Keybuk: thanks! | 11:33 |
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| lifeless | Keybuk: do I need a settle still ? | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | personally I'd just run "udevtrigger" without any arguments | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | it only takes a nanosecond or two | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | assuming udevd is running, the interface turns up | 11:33 |
| lifeless | oh, I'm tunning without args at the moment already | 11:34 |
| lifeless | if its ok to do so, then I'll just leave it as is | 11:34 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 11:34 |
| Treenaks | If my sound card mixer has weird labels.. is that a kernel bug or an alsa bug? | 11:34 |
| Treenaks | (weird = incorrect, actually) | 11:35 |
| Keybuk | yes | 11:37 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: *sigh*.. which one is it? | 11:37 |
| Keybuk | well, technically it's an alsa | 11:37 |
| Keybuk | but it may the alsa driver, which is in the kernel | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | as apposed to the alsa userland | 11:38 |
| jdub | lifeless: cool! | 11:41 |
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| lifeless | jdub: extremely. 7 minute noodles | 11:42 |
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| thom | ta | 11:46 |
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| thom | gar, silly window manager | 11:47 |
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| thom | hey hey. happy new year! | 11:56 |
| dholbach | to you too! :-) | 11:56 |
| === dholbach hugs thom ecstatically | ||
| seb128 | hey thom, happy new year | 11:58 |
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| thom | hey seb! | 12:02 |
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| === thom is sadly not shocked | ||
| StevenK | Heh | 12:04 |
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| sivang | hey all | 12:21 |
| sivang | does anybody recall the name of the program that indexes your chunks of codes and can then provde answer to questions like "which class implements this interface" etc? | 12:21 |
| === sivang can't recall the package name | ||
| StevenK | ctags? | 12:22 |
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| sivang | StevenK: does it work on python too? | 12:24 |
| lifeless | night all | 12:25 |
| lifeless | sivang: etags works on python | 12:25 |
| sivang | lifeless: cool dude, thank you | 12:25 |
| pitti | sleep well lifeless | 12:25 |
| === sivang hugs pitti | ||
| StevenK | exuberant-ctags does, yes | 12:25 |
| pitti | hi sivang! | 12:25 |
| sivang | hey pitti , how you doing? | 12:27 |
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| pitti | sivang: I'm great, how are you? | 12:27 |
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| sivang | pitti: fine as well. | 12:27 |
| === pitti uploads a new hal, closes nine bugs manually and yearns for changelog-closes-bugs | ||
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| === seb128 hugs pitti for the bug fixing ;) | ||
| pitti | seb128: I felt it's time to start attacking my pile of 40 'in progress' bugs :) | 12:31 |
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| seb128 | pitti: :) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | brb | 12:34 |
| ogra | in case any archoive admin is fancy doing some NEW reviews, i'd appreciate a look at edsadmin and libflashsupport (the latter for multiverse because of the adobe license) | 12:36 |
| fabbione | * Mithrandir wonders a bit about libflashsupport. | 12:38 |
| fabbione | ogra: ^ | 12:38 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, why ? | 12:38 |
| ogra | its the connection layer between older sound systems and flash9 | 12:38 |
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| ogra | needed for things like esd and pulseaudio ... | 12:39 |
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| ogra | which in turn are used in ltsp ... | 12:39 |
| seb128 | ogra: new gnome-screensaver for you | 12:40 |
| ogra | oh, finally | 12:40 |
| ogra | seb128, thanks | 12:40 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: wondering where to put it, mostly. And I'm not sure it's possible to distribute at all, since it links with openssl and lgpl-ed libs which in turn link to gpl-ed libs. | 12:56 |
| StevenK | Eeek, that's a mess. | 12:56 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: it's flash, what do you expect? | 12:56 |
| StevenK | Yeah, well. :-) | 12:56 |
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| crimsun | ogra: which older sound systems do you plan to support wrt Flash 9? (I'm not entirely convinced libflashsupport is necessary for alsa [see recent alsa-utils changes for asoundconf to support pulseaudio in an asoundrc] -- or is alsa just one in many players?) | 12:59 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: what's the status wrt edubuntu-server? It's uninstallable. | 01:02 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, i'm waiting for info on schooltool ... worst case i'll take it out of the seeds temporary for herd2 | 01:08 |
| ogra | crimsun, ltsp uses esd (breezy/dapper/edgy) and pulseaudio (feisty ...) i need the soundserver support there | 01:09 |
| ogra | plain alsa wont help ... | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: "waiting for info", as in? | 01:10 |
| ogra | when will it work with the new zope | 01:11 |
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| ogra | according to doko a simple rebuild isnt enough ... | 01:11 |
| ogra | (rebuild with new deps) | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | ogra, it works with it now, AFAIK. There just isn't a release. | 01:12 |
| ogra | Fujitsu, right, so i'm waiting for a release ... | 01:12 |
| doko | Fujitsu: schooltool works with zope3.3??? | 01:12 |
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| Fujitsu | doko, I'm fairly sure it works with the latest. | 01:13 |
| crimsun | ogra: Understood for pre-Feisty. Which pulseaudio packages are you using for Flash9? I don't need any additional libflashsupport in Feisty for pulseaudio and alsa. | 01:14 |
| doko | Fujitsu: did you look at the debian reports? | 01:14 |
| ogra | crimsun, the problem are the users that dist-upgrade their system but not their ltsp chroot, they will still have the esd client side ... | 01:15 |
| crimsun | ogra: ah, and no plans to migrate them to pulseaudio, I presume? | 01:16 |
| ogra | crimsun, migration without upgrade ? | 01:16 |
| crimsun | right | 01:16 |
| crimsun | (I understand now) | 01:16 |
| ogra | if they dont touch their ltsp "because it works" ... | 01:17 |
| ogra | pulse should be able to implement the code libflashsupport has directly ... libflashsupport is only an API layer inbetween | 01:18 |
| ogra | (if its needed at all for pulse) | 01:18 |
| crimsun | libflashsupport isn't at all needed for flash9 and pulse; the alsa-lib pulse plugin routes that | 01:19 |
| crimsun | (the alsa-lib pulse plugin is in 'libasound2-plugins', which unfortunately is in universe) | 01:20 |
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| ogra | mneptok, i'm packaging the latest gnome-screensaver and want to apply your patch, why did you use the slieshow screensaver instead of the floaters one ? | 01:36 |
| ogra | *slideshow | 01:36 |
| slomo_ | ogra: does pulseaudio work for you with the 2.6.20 kernels? | 01:37 |
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| ogra | slomo, yes, apart from a small glitch with the flash packkage we need to fix it works fine for me | 01:38 |
| ogra | (flash still creates /tmp/.esd/socket, that makes pulse not start the esd module) | 01:38 |
| slomo_ | ogra: hmm... it doesn't work on any of my machines with .20 but works with .19... all device detection methods return no card with .20 although alsa and oss work :/ | 01:38 |
| ogra | er, ohg, wait a sec | 01:39 |
| crimsun | slomo_: that's the hal module issue, no? | 01:39 |
| ogra | i'm still using .19 ... ignore me ... | 01:39 |
| slomo_ | crimsun: which hal module issue? :) | 01:40 |
| crimsun | slomo_: /etc/pulse/default.pa's "load-module module-hal-detect" | 01:40 |
| Riddell | pitti: I have no plans for amarok or qt uploads | 01:40 |
| crimsun | I can't use that; I have to comment that out (and the if block) and use "load-module module-detect" instead | 01:40 |
| slomo_ | crimsun: hm works... i wonder what broke hal from .19 to .20 :/ thanks | 01:41 |
| crimsun | np | 01:42 |
| Mithrandir | seb128,dholbach: you'll tell me when your gnome uploads are done so I can spin cds? | 01:42 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main frozen for Herd 2 | ||
| ogra | Mithrandir, time to promote mbr (if you didnt already) | 01:49 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: can you please do a g-a-i desktop database update? | 01:49 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: done hours ago | 01:49 |
| ogra | oki | 01:49 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, edsadmin rejected ? do we have our "bad licenses day" today ? :/ | 01:51 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: yeah, I think we're at about 5:1 of rejects:accepts for the archive lately. | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: ouch! | 01:52 |
| ogra | i hate licenses | 01:52 |
| Treenaks | ogra: everything pd! | 01:52 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: yeah, especially for me who get to review the packages again and again until they're good. | 01:52 |
| seb128 | ogra: are you already working on the gnome-screensaver update? | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: indeed. | 01:52 |
| ogra | seb128, yeps | 01:53 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: ok, most of it is done, only a bunch to do | 01:53 |
| ogra | seb128, why ? anything i should add ? | 01:53 |
| seb128 | ogra: no, just trying to get 2.17.5 for herd-2 and that's one of the remaining packages to update ;) | 01:53 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: also fun stuff like the flash support library probably being undistributable due to linking with openssl and indirectly with GPL-ed libs. | 01:53 |
| ogra | Treenaks, lets just drop licensing altogether ... | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: ugh | 01:53 |
| Mithrandir | as long as people stay with standard licences like the GPL or BSD/MIT/X11, things are fine, but not so much when there's no COPYING in the orig.tar.gz, etc. | 01:54 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i have no clue if or how it works without ssl ... but i'll try to drop the dep ... if that doesnt work it doesnt work... | 01:55 |
| ogra | or do you think linking it against libesd and libpulse will also be illegal ? | 01:56 |
| Mithrandir | the licence looks GPL-compatible, but I think I'll run it past elmo, who has way more experience than I. | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: have you had any luck with 75882? | 01:58 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: (I'm aware that main's frozen) Are my uploads (scorch3d and teg) failing in soyuz? | 01:58 |
| crimsun | scorched3d, even | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: they're probably ending up in unapproved, but I just approve stuff going to universe. | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | but yeah, they failed. If you actually signed them, I can reprocess them | 02:00 |
| crimsun | I did. Twice for each. | 02:00 |
| crimsun | (meaning I've reuploaded each) | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: hmm | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | let's see if it works this time around, if not, I'll prod cprov | 02:01 |
| crimsun | upload again? | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | nah, I moved them | 02:02 |
| crimsun | ok, thanks! | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | as in, moved them back to incoming | 02:02 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: did you already approve the new liboobs? if not maybe wait | 02:24 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: no, I haven't | 02:25 |
| seb128 | ok, wait then | 02:25 |
| Mithrandir | wait or reject? | 02:25 |
| seb128 | wait | 02:25 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 02:25 |
| seb128 | new g-s-t has UI changes to time-admin | 02:25 |
| seb128 | and I'm wondering if that could be a problem for ubiquity | 02:25 |
| seb128 | maybe would be better to get after herd-2 | 02:26 |
| Mithrandir | ah, ok. | 02:26 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: does ubiquity cares about time-admin changes? | 02:26 |
| Mithrandir | so I should hold g-s-t back, too? | 02:26 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: I've not uploaded that one yet | 02:26 |
| seb128 | liboobs has a soname change anyway | 02:27 |
| seb128 | so it shouldn't break current g-s-t even if accepted | 02:27 |
| Mithrandir | I always read liboobs as lib-boobs, I'm sure it's deliberate. | 02:27 |
| Mithrandir | and I go "huh?" every time too. | 02:28 |
| === StevenK plants a "Male" sticker on Mithrandir's forehead | ||
| jdahlin | Heya, I have a problem booting from an edgy cd. It fails during the unpacking of the initrd image. Any clues? | 02:28 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yeah :) | 02:28 |
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| seb128 | hey jdahlin | 02:28 |
| jdahlin | It's an offical cd, eg pressed, not burned | 02:28 |
| jdahlin | bonjour seb128 | 02:28 |
| seb128 | jdahlin: happy new year | 02:29 |
| seb128 | jdahlin: dunno about the CD question | 02:29 |
| jdahlin | seb128, happy new year too | 02:29 |
| jdahlin | seb128, okay | 02:29 |
| === jdahlin pokes cjwatson and Keybuk | ||
| Keybuk | jdahlin: we're somewhat busy today - what's up? | 02:30 |
| jdahlin | Keybuk, I'm unable to boot the official edgy cd, something happens when the initrd image is unpacked | 02:30 |
| jdahlin | okay, just wanted to know if there are any known workarounds | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | not without further information on what the problem is | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | "doesn't boot" is a little vague | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | have you performed a CD check? | 02:31 |
| jdahlin | no, I assumed the pressed CD was okay. But I'll do that | 02:32 |
| pitti | doko: ++(syncing from etch until feature freeze) | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | from the sound of it, it could be boot-loader related; Mithrandir may be able to help | 02:32 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: what error do you get? | 02:33 |
| jdahlin | extracting initrd.gz from the CD directly seems to work | 02:33 |
| Mithrandir | also, what kind of machine/cpu/motherboard? | 02:33 |
| jdahlin | Mithrandir, let me reboot and test | 02:33 |
| jdahlin | Mithrandir, intel something / celeron 400 | 02:34 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 02:34 |
| Mithrandir | you could try removing quiet and splash from the kernel command line to see if that helps | 02:34 |
| jdahlin | thanks, that'll probably show a bit more | 02:34 |
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| seb128 | ogra: it's not that bad | 02:36 |
| seb128 | is it? | 02:36 |
| ogra | currently it is | 02:36 |
| seb128 | evolution works fine on my desktop | 02:36 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if I'm just being lucky with it :p | 02:36 |
| pitti | seb128: yay for latest evo not crashing any more in todo list :) | 02:36 |
| seb128 | it works fine on my laptop too | 02:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: ah, I didn't notice, thank you for pointing it ;) | 02:36 |
| ogra | my inbox has ~22000 mails and i recieve 120 mails since 2h ... filtering takes ages with imap and tls | 02:36 |
| === pitti can tick TODO items again without vi'ing ~/.evolution stuff | ||
| pitti | ogra: 22000 mails in one mailbox are a PITA with every program, even mutt | 02:37 |
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| ogra | and i still didnt find the time to set up offlineimap | 02:37 |
| ogra | pitti, thats only my inbox | 02:37 |
| pitti | ogra: I can give you a quick walkthrough on offlineimap if you wnat | 02:37 |
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| ogra | my ubuntu-users mailbox is bigger :P | 02:38 |
| ogra | s/mailbox/folder/ | 02:38 |
| === pitti proposes a trade: pitti->ogra: offlineimap, ogra->pitti: answers to some hwdb questions | ||
| ogra | heh, ok | 02:38 |
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| jdahlin | Mithrandir, the error I get is "isolinux: Disk Error 80, AX = 4200, drive 9F" | 02:40 |
| jdahlin | I can also add that it's not possible to do the media check because of the same error | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: it looks a lot like a dirty CD-ROM drive. | 02:41 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: can you try with another? | 02:41 |
| jdahlin | Mithrandir, sure. but it seems to work fine under windows | 02:42 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: afaik, isolinux isn't very heavy on the error recovery. | 02:42 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: it's a first shot at least. | 02:42 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: you can also try booting while holding down shift, that should put isolinux into safe-mode. | 02:42 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: can you start testing your live images? I'll spin you alternate ones now that mbr is in main. | 02:42 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: already testing | 02:43 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: great. :-) | 02:43 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: I'm spinning new alternate CDs for you now so you get the ones with mbr on them. | 02:44 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: do you need xubuntu testers for 20070109? | 02:45 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: yeah, testing of -live for xubuntu would be good. | 02:45 |
| crimsun | on it | 02:46 |
| Mithrandir | I'll spin alternate as soon as the kubuntu ones are done | 02:46 |
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| mvo | Mithrandir: 75882 should be fixed in feisty, but I haven't investigated why it will reinstall the packages later again | 02:52 |
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| spike | hi there | 02:56 |
| spike | is there any option I can use with preseeding to specify additional options for grub? | 02:56 |
| spike | I'm lookint at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html , Boot loader installation section | 02:57 |
| spike | but cant see anything useful | 02:57 |
| spike | what I want to is to add "console=ttyS1,57600" - that's all I need | 02:57 |
| spike | I can do it postinstall before rebooting with sed obviously, but was wondering if there was a better way within preseeding | 02:57 |
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| pitti | hi zul | 03:01 |
| zul | hi pitt how is it going? | 03:02 |
| pitti | pretty well, thanks! | 03:03 |
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| jdahlin | Mithrandir, I get an identical error with another CD drive. | 03:06 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: hmm, ok. You've tried booting while holding shift down too? | 03:09 |
| jdahlin | Mithrandir, yes, that didn't help much either | 03:10 |
| Mithrandir | jdahlin: then I'm not sure. :-( | 03:11 |
| jdahlin | Mithrandir, I'll do some googling. It could be a very broken BIOS | 03:12 |
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| Mithrandir | Riddell: alternate done | 03:15 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: seems like qt4 ubiquity has a couple of crashes in it still. I'm stuck on one of them.. | 03:19 |
| Riddell | File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py", line 1654, in set_summary_device | 03:19 |
| Riddell | if not device.startswith('(') and not device.startswith('/dev/'): | 03:19 |
| Riddell | AttributeError: startswith | 03:19 |
| Riddell | but device is definately a str at that point, so I don't understand how it doesn't have startswith | 03:19 |
| ogra | do you need a backslash for '(' ? | 03:20 |
| Riddell | not according to a quick test on the python interpreter | 03:21 |
| ogra | hmm | 03:21 |
| jdahlin | Riddell, it can't be a string, it's probably None | 03:22 |
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| ogra | what if you force it to a string with str() ? does it work then ? | 03:22 |
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| Riddell | device is: <type 'str'> | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | jdong: what changed about it? | 03:22 |
| Riddell | it's definately a str | 03:22 |
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| jdong | Keybuk: the autocomplete tries to fill things in as you type | 03:22 |
| jdong | destructively | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | it's always done that, no? | 03:22 |
| jdong | no | 03:22 |
| jdahlin | edgy has gtk 2.10, some things changed betweeon 2.8 and 2.10 | 03:23 |
| jdong | it's displayed the highlighted portion | 03:23 |
| jdong | and continued letting me type | 03:23 |
| jdong | but not chose things without my permission | 03:23 |
| jdong | i.e. I'd type in /tmp and end up with /tmp/media/play | 03:23 |
| Keybuk | press Delete | 03:23 |
| jdong | grr and I can only get it to happen part of the time.... | 03:24 |
| jdong | ok, now it's magically working | 03:25 |
| jdong | but I swear three minutes ago it was on an autocompleting rampage | 03:25 |
| jdong | Keybuk: ok, it's doing it again | 03:28 |
| jdong | I restarted firefox and now the open dialog is completing things as soon as there is only one completion | 03:29 |
| jdong | pressing delete does nothing | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | ah, well, Firefox | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | that uses its own implementation, I suspect :P | 03:29 |
| jdong | I've had it happen elsewhere too | 03:29 |
| jdong | grr | 03:30 |
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| jdong | oh well, enough being angry with a stupid dialog :) | 03:30 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: alternates ready for xubuntu too. | 03:39 |
| Mithrandir | note that if you end up with trouble mounting the CD, I know the fix for it, but it means we need a workaround for your arch. | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Mithrandir: I'm going to have to go upstream to fix libparagui? | 03:39 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: is control-center waiting approval? | 03:41 |
| Mithrandir | bddebian: just a second. | 03:42 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: doesn't look like it, no. | 03:42 |
| Mithrandir | liboobs is the only thing in unapproved | 03:43 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: hum, weird, I've uploaded it 1h30 ago | 03:44 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: and it's not listed anywhere apparently | 03:44 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: it seems like something is making soyuz eat half the uploads. | 03:45 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: no fun :/ Should I ping somebody from the launchpad team or could you look at what is going on ? | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: no need, I've already pinged cprov | 03:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | seb128: I ripped all use of time-admin out of ubiquity a couple of days ago; feel free to modify it | 03:48 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: ah, thank you | 03:49 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: approve liboobs please then :) | 03:49 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: I'm going to upload the new g-s-t and then we should be good for GNOME 2.17.5 | 03:49 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: ok, excellent | 03:49 |
| Mithrandir | accepted. | 03:50 |
| pitti | seb128: were there any patches left for ipv4ll support? | 03:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: no | 03:50 |
| pitti | great | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: does python-qt4 do truly evil things to Python's core classes? | 03:50 |
| === pitti hugs gazpacho | ||
| seb128 | pitti: try the upstream variant when available pelase :) | 03:50 |
| seb128 | please | 03:50 |
| pitti | seb128: of course | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: that's the only reason I can think of for that sort of breakage | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | jdahlin: device isn't None because the line immediately above the one Riddell mentions is "if device is not None:" | 03:51 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: it doesn't as far as I know | 03:52 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: does alternate work for you so far? | 03:53 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: still on desktop, I'll burn alternate now | 03:53 |
| Mithrandir | ok. | 03:54 |
| Mithrandir | you saw my caution against it not being able to mount the cd above? | 03:54 |
| dholbach | pitti: did you mean garnacho? :) | 03:54 |
| pitti | dholbach: yes, probably :) | 03:54 |
| dholbach | hehehehehe | 03:54 |
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| Hobbsee | heya pitti | 04:00 |
| pitti | hi Hobbsee|NotHere | 04:03 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: thanks | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee|NotHere | :) | 04:03 |
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| crimsun | hmm, on 20070109 (xubuntu daily-live) ubiquity appears to do some very strange screen corruption things after I select US English as the keymap | 04:04 |
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| crimsun | I'm able to ctrl+alt+backspace to restart the X Window session, however | 04:05 |
| cjwatson | known bug, see console-setup | 04:05 |
| crimsun | ok | 04:06 |
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| cjwatson | crimsun: it's bug 73955 | 04:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73955 | 04:06 |
| Mithrandir | gnr, we either need new d-i or new kernel for amd64 too. | 04:06 |
| cjwatson | crimsun: I can't reproduce it here; do you think you could dig into it based on the reduced test case I posted there? | 04:07 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: we need new d-i on all architectures for the {storage,fs}-core-modules breakage, I think | 04:07 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: isofs? | 04:07 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione,cjwatson: yes. Just trying to decide. | 04:07 |
| cjwatson | I don't see why that should be arch-specific unless there are dependencies on fs-core-modules | 04:07 |
| fabbione | the kernel would be cleaner but you will still need a d-i upload to catch it up | 04:08 |
| crimsun | cjwatson: I'll attempt | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: yeah, so I think I'll just work around it in d-i | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | crimsun: thanks, I'd appreciate it | 04:08 |
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| Mithrandir | while wrong, it's not that bad. | 04:08 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: we can clean it up immediately after | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | sure | 04:08 |
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| Commander-Crowe | hi where can i find Ubuntu 7.04 checksum? | 04:10 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: just curious, why did you stop using time-admin? | 04:10 |
| crimsun | Commander-Crowe: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 04:11 |
| Commander-Crowe | haha thanks | 04:12 |
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| Commander-Crowe | god is it buggie | 04:13 |
| Commander-Crowe | but nice | 04:13 |
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| Commander-Crowe | tehcore | 04:14 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: kubuntu amd64 alternate does indeed fail to mount the cd | 04:16 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: ok, I'm rolling a new d-i. Once it's in, I'll roll new images. How are your live images looking? | 04:16 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: not so good, the power manager crashes on startup and the whole thing seems to freeze at 71% installed | 04:17 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson, Mithrandir: patch for ubiquity http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.diff | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: hm, ok | 04:18 |
| astan | hello folks. how can i help with/request a feisty package to go into edgy-backports? (python-sqlalchemy) | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | (to the power manager and freeze; I'm looking at the diff now) | 04:18 |
| cjwatson | seb128: way too many small issues to be worth it; people can set the time post-install | 04:18 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: ok | 04:19 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: thanks, will apply; BTW I believe you're supposed to use 'is not None' rather than '!= None' | 04:19 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: I was just typing what cjwatson typed, apart from that looks good. | 04:19 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: you're planning on another ubiquity upload tonight? | 04:20 |
| cjwatson | can do one today | 04:20 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: what about the other issue? | 04:20 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 04:20 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: still investigating the curious device string issue | 04:20 |
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| Commander-Crowe | My system crashed when I tried to open up "about ubuntu" | 04:21 |
| cjwatson | Commander-Crowe: please report bugs in the bug tracking system rather than here; we need to use this channel for developer coordination | 04:22 |
| Commander-Crowe | oh ok | 04:22 |
| Commander-Crowe | I did btw | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: applied, thanks | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | Commander-Crowe: ok, then that's generally sufficient; we only need to know here if it's an all-consuming showstopper for an upcoming release | 04:23 |
| Commander-Crowe | um | 04:23 |
| Commander-Crowe | is there any developing I can do via python or shell scripting? | 04:23 |
| cjwatson | Commander-Crowe: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate | 04:24 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Can you please include the debdiff for bug 72125? | 04:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72125 in tzdata "Daylight Saving changes in Western Australia" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72125 | 04:24 |
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| pitti | sfllaw: I included the diff of the included tarball | 04:24 |
| pitti | sfllaw: apart from that, it's just the changelog | 04:24 |
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| pitti | sfllaw: the debdiff is changelog + 'binary files differ' for the single tzdata2006p.tar.gz | 04:25 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Ah, I see. | 04:25 |
| sfllaw | That was not clear from my reading of the bug. | 04:25 |
| sfllaw | Thanks. | 04:25 |
| pitti | sfllaw: not sure whether cjwatson already approved the dapper counterpart (langpack-locales), I don't think so; but for that it's the same story, updated included tarball | 04:27 |
| Commander-Crowe | does the live CD of Ubuntu not run XGL/Beryl/Compiz? | 04:27 |
| Commander-Crowe | but does run in the installed verison | 04:27 |
| Commander-Crowe | nativly that is | 04:28 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, i just uploaded a new gnome-screensaver, please approve | 04:32 |
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| Pierre | hello | 04:36 |
| Pierre | about #78476, did I use the right channel or is there a more appropriate way to inform the pkg maintainers? | 04:37 |
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| Pierre | hm mabye -bugs :) | 04:38 |
| seb128 | Pierre: launchpad is the right place for bugs usually ;) | 04:39 |
| seb128 | Pierre: no need to ping on IRC for them | 04:40 |
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| Pierre | seb128: yes, my question was whether it is a bug or I should post that somewhere else. But as long as it is a bug, I will be quiet :) | 04:40 |
| Pierre | +if | 04:41 |
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| Pierre | question answered, thanks :) | 04:43 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.diff updated with fix for device string issue too, seems it was a QString not a str | 04:53 |
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| ogra | lifeless, ping | 05:00 |
| _ion | Hi dholbach | 05:01 |
| _ion | dholbach: See anything weird in /usr/share/doc/deskbar-applet/changelog.Debian.gz? ;-) | 05:02 |
| _ion | Hint: 2.17.5-0ubuntu1, key binding | 05:02 |
| dholbach | haha | 05:03 |
| dholbach | i doubt that was my mistake ;) | 05:03 |
| dholbach | " * Prevents binding of keys a-z and shit-a-z." from ./NEWS | 05:03 |
| dholbach | ;-) | 05:03 |
| _ion | Perhaps they have different keyboards where the upstream authors live. | 05:04 |
| dholbach | I'm sure :) | 05:04 |
| Nafallo | haha | 05:06 |
| mneptok | ogra: ping | 05:08 |
| ogra | mneptok, pong | 05:08 |
| mneptok | ogra: chose sshow for the lowest cpu usage | 05:08 |
| pitti | carlos: can I nag you again about bug 68646? it's high time for new langpacks for stables | 05:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68646 in rosetta "Russian l11n in tsclient is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68646 | 05:08 |
| mneptok | ogra: floater smells heavier *shrug* | 05:09 |
| carlos | pitti: oh, right. I forgot it completely | 05:09 |
| carlos | I will do the upload later today | 05:09 |
| ogra | mneptok, its ... but only minimally | 05:09 |
| carlos | pitti: thanks for remind me it | 05:09 |
| === mneptok isn't married to any idea except a saner default ;) | ||
| pitti | carlos: thanks | 05:09 |
| ogra | i defaulted to the floating ubuntu logo from bug #59365 now ... if you think thats to heavy we can still switch | 05:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59365 in gnome-screensaver "ubuntu theme" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59365 | 05:09 |
| ogra | just waiting for the ACCEPTED message from soyuz to close the bugs :) | 05:10 |
| mneptok | ogra: i think whatever the crappiest driver can display with minimal cpu or further dev cycles is best | 05:10 |
| ogra | well, i think a tradeoff for beauty is valid ... so some percent of CPU may be used for animation imho :) | 05:11 |
| ogra | (apart from that i only have to uuen/decode a single pc instead of a whole directory :) ) | 05:12 |
| ogra | s/pc/pic/ | 05:13 |
| mneptok | <girlfriend_voice>whatever you think is best, dear</girlfriend_voice> | 05:13 |
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| ogra | :) | 05:13 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: muse.19inch.net won't talk to me | 05:13 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: presumably it's just unicode() in on_advanced_button_clicked? | 05:14 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: that's it | 05:18 |
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| Riddell | hmm, ubiquity getting stuck at 71% installed was fixed by burning to a new CD, but now it's stuck on 22gnome_panel_data | 05:20 |
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| kanzie | Is this a good place to report tiny bugs? | 05:21 |
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| pitti | kanzie: usually not; the bug tracker is | 05:21 |
| kanzie | ok, so a mapping-problem that is easy to work around in gparted and a dialogue error in Sharing in edgy is nothing to discuss here but to write formal reports on? | 05:23 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: can you find out if that script is actually running, or if the next thing is running but just hasn't updated the progress bar yet? | 05:25 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: the script isn't in ps output | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | perhaps something else is? ps axf is often helpful to see the process tree | 05:28 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: /usr/bin/python /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py is the bottom of the ubiquity tree | 05:30 |
| Riddell | top says it's using 94% CPU, so it's doing something | 05:31 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: hmm. can you lsof that to find out if it has any interesting files open? | 05:41 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: kde-guidance needed for herd-2? | 05:42 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: yes please | 05:43 |
| Riddell | fixes crash on startup of live CD | 05:43 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: accepted | 05:43 |
| Riddell | thanks | 05:43 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: (holding off upgrade until we dig into this) | 05:47 |
| cjwatson | er, upload | 05:47 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, there is an edubuntu-meta upload that fixes -server waiting for approval ... | 06:01 |
| ogra | pitti, rmemeber that du -hcs i started when we were in priv ? it just finished now :) | 06:02 |
| pitti | ogra: ouch | 06:02 |
| ogra | 3.6G | 06:02 |
| pitti | ogra: seriously, you should archive your mails from time to time instead of keeping them around forever in your active mailboxes | 06:03 |
| ogra | well, then searching old stuff gets so painful ... | 06:03 |
| pitti | zgrep :) | 06:03 |
| ogra | but i should probably have a db backend *g* | 06:03 |
| pitti | well, your choice of course | 06:03 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: s-t-b, evo-webcal, intltool, gnome-icon-theme are all targetted for herd-2? | 06:03 |
| Mithrandir | if searching in multiple folders is painful, use another client for that | 06:04 |
| ogra | well, i thought about that ... | 06:05 |
| ogra | but somehw i feel i should use what our users use as well to see where they suffer ... | 06:05 |
| keescook | mornin' folks | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: but you know what? They probably don't keep 22k messages in a single folder. | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | so they don't see those problems. | 06:06 |
| ogra | nah, really ? :) | 06:06 |
| spike | were debian-installer/locale=en_US.UTF-8 kbd-chooser/method=us available in breezy? | 06:06 |
| ogra | it would be nice if mutt could just use my .evolution maildirs folder ... | 06:07 |
| spike | or what was the equivalent? there's no "installation manual" with a preseeding section for breezy :( | 06:07 |
| thom | ogra: just point it at them, then? if they're real maildirs, i don't see what the problem would be | 06:07 |
| ogra | hmm, i never tried that ... | 06:07 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yep | 06:08 |
| ogra | (didnt know mutt is capable of reading maildir format) | 06:08 |
| thom | only for the last hundred million years or so ;-) | 06:09 |
| _ion | thom++ | 06:09 |
| Mithrandir | apart from being a bit slow, evo seems happy with my 20k mail folders here. | 06:09 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, its only the filtering thats slow | 06:10 |
| pitti | ogra: I have used mutt with maildir for a long time, works fine; I can point evo to those without any problem | 06:10 |
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| ogra | i.e. overnight i recieve about 300 mails, then around the morning my net connection drops ... if i come to my machine in the morning it takes 1-2h to get them all filtered | 06:10 |
| Mithrandir | use server-side filtering and imap, then. | 06:11 |
| ogra | i use server side SA for tagging and sort the spam locally after tags ... | 06:11 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: | 06:11 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/311195 | 06:12 |
| pitti | ogra: but if you sort spam on the server side, you save the download | 06:12 |
| ogra | so i dont have to rely on my server being vailable if i want to recover a mislead spam mail ... | 06:12 |
| Ng | what is likely to be deciding that the "User" button on my keyboard == suspend? | 06:12 |
| _ion | pitti: Same but s/procmail/maildrop/ | 06:12 |
| pitti | ogra: ok, if that's an issue, then you are right | 06:12 |
| ogra | pitti, right, but i always need the server | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: no, you don't. Just make sure to mark all folders available for offline use. | 06:12 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: gedit for herd-2 too if you want to accept it and we are uptodate for GNOME | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: hooray! | 06:13 |
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| spike | if an installation process never asked you for a user/password, how's the default account supposed to be created? | 06:19 |
| pitti | spike: it does ask you | 06:20 |
| spike | believe me it didnt... I'm having serious issues with this breezy installation... *serious* | 06:20 |
| ogra | pitti, unless you choose oem :) | 06:20 |
| spike | there's no way to get preseeding to work, and when it drops to manual install ti will just behave weirdly | 06:21 |
| pitti | ogra: that still asks for a password | 06:21 |
| ogra | oh, right | 06:21 |
| spike | it looks like it loaded half of the answers from the preseed file, some from manual questions | 06:21 |
| spike | but the end result is totally unconsinstent :( | 06:22 |
| kanzie | Im trying to find the best way to install Eclipse environment on my Ubuntu Edgy system. I want it for developing php and Java... any ideas? | 06:26 |
| pitti | kanzie: apt-get install eclipse? | 06:27 |
| pitti | kanzie: -> #ubuntu, btw | 06:27 |
| kanzie | pitti, tried there... no success | 06:28 |
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| User65 | hey | 06:32 |
| User65 | can someone help me | 06:32 |
| User65 | err theres only one person | 06:32 |
| User65 | bye bye | 06:32 |
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| LaserJock | ... ok | 06:32 |
| _ion | Right. | 06:32 |
| _ion | These composited windows for the eject/volume keys are really nice. | 06:34 |
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| pitti | _ion: hm, they exist for ages... breezy or so | 06:35 |
| _ion | I'm sure they do, but i haven't used a compositing window manager for that long. :-) | 06:35 |
| pitti | oh, with compositing | 06:36 |
| cjwatson | spike: it's on archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/doc/manual/ or thereabouts | 06:36 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: doesn't look significant; does strace show anything much? | 06:37 |
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| cjwatson | Ng: hotkey-setup IIRC | 06:37 |
| pitti | _ion: I still cannot understand how people can live with using compiz' totally f**ed workspace handling | 06:38 |
| pitti | (not even to mention the eye-hurting fade effects in menus etc.) | 06:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: if you don't use workspaces it's actually nic | 06:38 |
| seb128 | nice | 06:38 |
| Nafallo | pitti: :-) | 06:39 |
| _ion | pitti: You haven't tried to configure it? | 06:39 |
| _ion | pitti: It's unusable with default settings. | 06:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, a smooth fade-in is actually nice | 06:39 |
| pitti | _ion: there are only two settings for me: 'workspace on cube' and 'wobbly windows' | 06:39 |
| pitti | seb128: maybe, but it should be faster IMHO | 06:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: wait for next version, I'm working on an update based on changes from some contributor working on it | 06:40 |
| _ion | TBH, i use beryl. Its configuration program is *awful*, but at least i don't have to configure it with gconf-editor. | 06:40 |
| pitti | seb128: new compiz, now with 58.3% more love? :) | 06:40 |
| seb128 | well, new compiz has not that many change | 06:40 |
| thom | i could care less about love, but having some workspaces would be nice ;-) | 06:40 |
| seb128 | we will try setting the number of viewport to 1 | 06:40 |
| pitti | thom: well, it has, but you don't see the other workspaces in the switcher | 06:40 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: strace doesn't seem to work attaching to the install.py process, it just outputs read(0," and nothing more | 06:40 |
| seb128 | to have a workspace behaviour similar to the current one | 06:40 |
| thom | pitti: yeah | 06:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: and the guy has written some compiz-GNOME keybinding sync plugin | 06:41 |
| pitti | thom: not breaking my settings == love enough for my taste for now | 06:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: which should make the keybindings work the same way | 06:41 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: that's not strace being broken - that's just that install.py is waiting for something | 06:41 |
| pitti | \o/ | 06:41 |
| thom | yeah, keybindings is the other suck | 06:41 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: are you sure it doesn't have a subprocess somewhere? | 06:41 |
| _ion | The only thing really keeping me from switching from beryl to compiz is the lack of the 'state' plugin in the compiz package. | 06:41 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I think I'll upload this now, TBH - this sounds pretty nebulous :( | 06:42 |
| seb128 | _ion: what is "state"? | 06:42 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/311211 | 06:42 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: sort of seems like one of its subprocesses has died but it didn't notice | 06:43 |
| carlos | pitti: hi, could you check again tsclient? | 06:43 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: on my powerpc it gets stuck on 32_gnome_power_manager. (the i386 one gets stuck on 22gnome_panel) | 06:44 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: might be worth rebooting and running it again using 'ubiquity --debug' | 06:44 |
| _ion | seb128: It allows me to say "set *all* windows' brightness to 70%, but set mplayer's brightness to 100%". I crank my monitors to their brightest setting and compensate for that with the state plugin, but videos aren't too dark anymore. | 06:44 |
| cjwatson | (you don't need any manual kdesu stuff nowadays) | 06:44 |
| seb128 | _ion: looks like a corner usecase | 06:45 |
| _ion | seb128: I think many people would love that if there was a simple checkbox that configured things so. | 06:45 |
| seb128 | checkbox to configure what? | 06:45 |
| pitti | carlos: oh, 'used elsewhere still has the screwed strings, but that's okay I think' | 06:46 |
| carlos | pitti: yeah, I cannot remove them easily | 06:46 |
| pitti | carlos: I requested a download; easier to check than the web pages | 06:46 |
| carlos | pitti: ok | 06:46 |
| carlos | pitti: btw, that's not a Rosetta bug, but a translation error done by someone, so the bugs should be agains the language pack | 06:47 |
| carlos | pitti: that's why I rejected the task in Rosetta | 06:47 |
| carlos | pitti: I fixed it, but usually, that's a task for the translation team | 06:47 |
| _ion | "Click this to darken all windows but Xv and OpenGL ones. Remember to increase your monitor's brightness." I know many people who always manually change their monitor's brightness when they're watching a movie. | 06:47 |
| pitti | carlos: I'm not sure; it seems it misinterpreted the po files from the source packages | 06:48 |
| seb128 | _ion: weird | 06:48 |
| carlos | from what I saw, someone got the .po file, changed the encoding field but didn't recode the file | 06:48 |
| seb128 | _ion: I don't think I know anybody doing that | 06:49 |
| ogra | me neither | 06:49 |
| carlos | pitti: we don't change encoding randomly | 06:49 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: the good news is it all works fine if I delete those two scripts | 06:49 |
| keescook | agh, can an ubuntu-devel moderator white-list .*kees@outflux.net ? Looks like Mailman is using my envelope-from for filtering... | 06:49 |
| _ion | Applications are too bright if i use them with the brightness movies are most enjoyable with. | 06:50 |
| pitti | carlos: hmm, the exported file is still totally screwed | 06:51 |
| pitti | carlos: does the export use older data than the webui? | 06:51 |
| carlos | pitti: unfortunately that's another bug | 06:51 |
| carlos | pitti: danilo has already a fix | 06:51 |
| carlos | let me force a an update | 06:52 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: they're in casper; perhaps casper-reconfigure needs to be taught to skip packages that don't exist | 06:52 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: ^-- could you comment? | 06:52 |
| pitti | carlos: strings look fine now, thanks! will they make it into tomorrow's tarballs? | 06:54 |
| carlos | yeah | 06:55 |
| carlos | they should | 06:55 |
| pitti | great | 06:55 |
| pitti | carlos: thanks | 06:55 |
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| carlos | np | 06:56 |
| gpocentek | hum, the latest xubuntu daily image fails to mount the cd (after hardware detection) | 07:00 |
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| gpocentek | does this happen with other *buntu isos? | 07:00 |
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| cjwatson | gpocentek: yeah, that's being sorted | 07:01 |
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| gpocentek | cjwatson: ok, thanks | 07:01 |
| cjwatson | gpocentek: (recent debian-installer upload) | 07:03 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I thought it did already. | 07:03 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: hmm, it is supposed | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | to | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: OH | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | if [ -z "$version" ] ; then | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | echo "$0: package '$package' is not installed" | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | exit 0 | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | fi | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: please make that echo >&2 kthxbye | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | otherwise it pisses about with the debconf communication channel | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | hooray, that fixes some really obscure bugs, I suspect | 07:06 |
| jdahlin | Mithrandir, I arrived here and my xchat tab was blue, can you repeat the last thing you said? | 07:10 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir,Riddell: Fix in casper bzr, I believe; can you look at it? There are some other changes in bzr (which are overdue to be uploaded) and I have to go and get on a train nonw. | 07:25 |
| cjwatson | now. | 07:25 |
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| [Kork] | hi | 07:37 |
| nixternal | cjwatson: the Ubiquity crash bug I filed that you just fix released (thanks btw), is this tied to the issue I have with alternate CDs not mounting the CDROM? | 07:38 |
| [Kork] | some feedback: would it be possible to drop "totem-mozilla" from "ubuntu-desktop" in feisty? it interferes with "mozilla-mplayer", which i prefer to use. removing "totem-mozilla" means removing "ubuntu-desktop", which is kind of suboptimal. | 07:41 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: did you figure what happened to that control-center upload? | 08:36 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: I've uploaded libbonoboui 2.17.0, nothing really interesting to it, should be fine to accept if you want it, fine to delay for after herd too | 08:44 |
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| Tonio_ | Mithrandir: ping ? | 09:07 |
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| Tonio_ | Mithrandir: I just upload another fixed guidance (packaging issue this time, my fault), latest should be okay | 09:12 |
| Tonio_ | Mithrandir: files conflicting during package installation, so that would highly impact the livecd if not aproved.... sorry for the inconvenience.... | 09:12 |
| gnomefreak | what time today are we starting the freeze? | 09:15 |
| keescook | gnomefreak: looks like it already started. :) | 09:15 |
| ogra | gnomefreak, 10 am UTC ;) | 09:15 |
| gnomefreak | oh darn im all kinds of behind ty | 09:16 |
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| mdke_ | mdz: around? | 09:32 |
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| Seveas | elmo, mako, cjwatson: CC meting in T minus 3 minutes | 09:56 |
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| sfllaw | Fridge Editors: There's some broken HTML in http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/708 | 10:08 |
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| mdke | sfllaw: thanks. Although pure chance I saw it, email is best | 10:10 |
| mdke | sfllaw: what's the broken HTML? | 10:11 |
| sfllaw | mdke: Man, now I have to look. | 10:13 |
| sfllaw | Line 78. | 10:13 |
| sfllaw | alt="Ben Collins" " /> | 10:14 |
| sfllaw | That's totally wrong. | 10:14 |
| mdke | oh yeah | 10:17 |
| mdke | is that better now? | 10:17 |
| sfllaw | mdke: I won'jt be able to tell for a while. | 10:18 |
| sfllaw | But I think that's the only thing. | 10:18 |
| sfllaw | Running it through a validator will give you bonus points. | 10:18 |
| mdke | sfllaw: ok, thanks | 10:18 |
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| lifeless | moin | 10:45 |
| lifeless | ogra: pong | 10:46 |
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| Chipzz | anyone read this: http://jongsmamm.blogspot.com/2007/01/gdb-slowness.html | 10:55 |
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| ogra | lifeless, you didnt tell me you implement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD | 11:19 |
| ogra | you reimplement 80% of ltsp in that spec | 11:20 |
| lifeless | ogra: I did link that to the channel a few times ogra :) | 11:20 |
| ogra | the spec ? | 11:20 |
| lifeless | yes | 11:20 |
| ogra | hmm, then i missed it ... | 11:20 |
| ogra | strange ... | 11:20 |
| ogra | but anyway, all of the dhcp and tftp stuff is already handled by ltsp-server ... | 11:21 |
| lifeless | anyhow, I am sure there is large overlap, netboot is netbooting after all. | 11:21 |
| lifeless | ogra: phone call, brb. | 11:21 |
| ogra | do you want to provide / as nfs root ? | 11:21 |
| ogra | or do you want to offer a separate chroot ? | 11:21 |
| lifeless | brb, gotta reboot. | 11:22 |
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| glatzor | ping Riddell: you want software-properties in kubuntu? | 12:03 |
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| twb | Mithrandir: nag, nag | 12:11 |
| lifeless | ogra: back | 12:12 |
| lifeless | ogra: / is the squashfs from the cdrom unioned with a ramdisk | 12:12 |
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