[12:39] <keescook> has anyone played with the vmware player in feisty?  All the fonts are busted, and I can't figure out why.  :(
[12:45] <ogra> keescook, i tried it some (6 probably) weeks ago ... worked flawless back then 
[12:46] <keescook> ogra: I'm convinced it's my own fault somehow.. but I don't even know how to debug it.  I've tried messing with locale settings, etc.  no luck.
[12:46] <keescook> but, it's only the player itself, so I just lick on all the "OK" icons, and I've got my VM running.  :)
[12:46] <ogra> i know mvo packaged it in dapper, he probably has an idea or knows someone to point you to
[12:46] <keescook> (heh: breezy VM image update: "210 new updates found")
[12:47] <keescook> ogra: cool, thanks, I'll see if I can catch him tomorrow morning.
[02:04] <lifeless> anyone around who knows how to make an initramfs have all modules ?
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> it does already..
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> or it used to
[02:09] <ogra> lifeless, initramfs.conf has a variable for that iirc
[02:10] <ogra> (in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf)
[02:11] <lifeless> ogra: thanks!
[02:12] <ogra> lifeless, btw, wats planned wih the website of hwdb.ubuntu.com ... its not working at all ... is that wanted by you and mdz or should i try to fix it ?
[02:12] <ogra> i understand that we dont want full access until the data is stripped ... 
[02:12] <ogra> but the page used to show some basic info like CPU, RAM and graphcs adapter ...
[02:13] <lifeless> ogra: problem is that there is no 'all', just partial solutions :(
[02:13] <ogra> and some people seem to use it 
[02:13] <ogra> right ... 
[02:13] <lifeless> hmm, I'll try comma separated, see if that works...
[02:13] <ogra> but the partial solution suddenly just stopped working from a user POV
[02:13] <lifeless> ogra: I'm still talking initramfs sorry
[02:14] <ogra> ah, ok
[02:14] <lifeless> ogra: w.r.t. the hwdb I understand cr3 is working on something with a real db
[02:15] <lifeless> its not desired to be completely functionless, but until we sort out the privacy aspects, the site cant really work - which is why the data is moved to a different machine, where the ubuntu core folk can login and grep the reports
[02:16] <ogra> ... /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions has the module loading functions it should be easy to modify them to just load all modules ... (i even think the "most" option dos it )
[02:16] <ogra> ok, understood ...
[02:21] <lifeless> most doesn't :)
[02:22] <lifeless> still, net will do, I just need to get the magic invocation to preserve my personal initramfs
[02:22] <lifeless> - building a LiveNetBoot
[02:25] <ogra> ah
[02:26] <ogra> well, netboot should be what you want then ... actually LTSP should e what you want
[02:26] <ogra> :)
[02:27] <lifeless> ogra: ah, but I want to boot the regular livecd, not edubuntu ;)
[02:27] <lifeless> ogra: that is, run out of the squashfs etc. So I need casper and so on
[02:28] <ogra> well the initscript of an ltsp client is pretty similar to casper :)
[02:28] <lifeless> really, unionfs etc ?
[02:29] <lifeless> because, I have this working except for ethernet detection. Something funky with udev.
[02:29] <ogra> no, unionfs doesnt like nfs ...
[02:29] <ogra> its readonly mounted nfs root where we bind mount the writeable parts to a tmpfs
[02:30] <Lathiat> i was using unionfs to join 4 mounted hard drives together to save hunting around one ach one and it died quite often especially when writing
[02:30] <ogra> then run similar scripts to casper that configure X, sound etc ...
[02:30] <lifeless> ogra: yeah, the nfs gets mounted readonly to reduce unionfs<->nfs flitches
[02:31] <ogra> well, initially we mounted it readonly out of security reasons ... 
[02:33] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPFatClients should give you a netbooted workstation ... 
[02:34] <ogra> (drop the edubuntu-auth-client parts and just make sure t copy over your servers /etc/passwd to the chroot if you dont want to set up ldap ...
[02:34] <ogra> )
[02:34] <ogra> (look at the code section at the bottom)
[02:34] <lifeless> yah
[02:34] <ogra> oh, and LTSP != edubuntu ;)
[02:34] <lifeless> ;)
[02:35] <ogra> ltsp is ubuntu stuff ....
[02:35] <ogra> edubuntu is just the reference implementation where i prove that its possible to have it properly running right away out of the box ....
[02:40] <ogra> hmm, where is m reciept mail for the upload i did 30 min ago ... 
[02:41] <bhale> ogra: i havent been getting mail from -changes since this morning
[02:42] <ogra> ah, k then i blame LP and wait until tomorrow
[02:43] <ogra> its not urgent anyway ... its just that i'm german .... we're reciept addicts :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ogra: soyuz probably ate it again
[02:49] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue shows it, so i'm fine ...
[02:52] <keescook> good evening folks, I gotta go make dinner.  :)
[02:59] <bddebian> Heya
[03:10] <_ion> From deskbar-applet's changelog.Debian:     - Prevents binding of keys a-z and shit-a-z.
[03:10] <_ion> :-)
[03:15] <lifeless> I wonder if calling udevtrigger from initramfs is very evil, or just mildly evil.
[03:31] <lifeless> ogra: so its working anyhow, just needed to get the net devices detected.
[03:32] <lifeless> ogra: what does ltsp use to trigger that? udevtrigger + udevsettle ?
[03:33] <ogra> udev, yes 
[03:34] <ogra> i didnt touch that area specifically, it just works :)   
[05:03] <bhale> Ubugtu: seen geser
[05:03] <bhale> !seen geser
[05:03] <bhale> yawn
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bhale: [15:04]  [Notice]  -SeenServ- I last saw geser (n=michael@85.25.108.73) 3h 37m 15s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[05:05] <Fujitsu_> bhale, it's ubotu that does the !seen stuff, and it's not meant to be in #-devel.
[05:06] <bhale> hm ok
[05:06] <bhale> sorry.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:19] <Solarion> heya bhale
[05:19] <bhale> hello
[06:05] <fabbione> morning
[06:05] <somerville32> morning
[06:19] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[06:20] <_ion> summon dholbach
[06:21] <hype> http://kmwarren.imarichkid.hop.clickbank.net
[07:50] <cjwatson> lifeless: ?
[07:50] <lifeless> hi
[07:50] <lifeless> so I have implemented a manual version of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD for LCA
[07:51] <lifeless> that is, I have a machine which serves out netboot casper with the squashfs from the edgy CD
[07:52] <lifeless> everything except ubiquity seems to work ok. ubiquity fails to copy over the running image - it goes straight from 'formatting partition' to 'applying language'
[07:52] <lifeless> and languageapply fails because /etc/default is missing
[07:52] <cjwatson> the latter is a red herring, of course
[07:52] <cjwatson> ok, so there are several things you need to do
[07:52] <lifeless> where should I look to find out what is going on, so I can fix it. the install is rather opaque :(
[07:53] <cjwatson> firstly, is this edgy?
[07:53] <cjwatson> oh, yes, it is
[07:53] <cjwatson> so in edgy, there's a kernel bug which means that you can't just leave the image mounted on /rofs
[07:54] <cjwatson> which is what ubiquity used to use as a copy source
[07:54] <lifeless> hmm, I'm not sure that its being left on /rofs anyway
[07:54] <cjwatson> instead, you have to teach ubiquity how to mount it for itself; it's in scripts/install.py:mount_source (and umount_source)
[07:54] <cjwatson> it won't be - we changed that at the 11th hour before release
[07:54] <lifeless> oh
[07:55] <lifeless> so the install.py mount_source is trying ot mount the cd rather than knowing to go to the NFS share ?
[07:55] <cjwatson> there are also a few places in scripts/install.py that look for manifests in /cdrom/casper/; you'll have to teach those to look elsewhere
[07:55] <lifeless> is the source the squashfs ?
[07:55] <cjwatson> correct, it has no idea of how to do it over NFS
[07:55] <lifeless> I can make the cd be on /cdrom, thats easy
[07:56] <cjwatson> if you make the CD be on /cdrom, that will save you a fair amount of pissing about
[07:56] <lifeless> doing...done
[07:56] <cjwatson> the kernel bug in question was to do with multiply-mounted squashfses; I don't think your approach will trigger that
[07:57] <lifeless> I have 17-10-generic anyhow, is that fixed ?
[07:57] <cjwatson> that's edgy's kernel. no.
[07:58] <cjwatson> we had to work around it literally the day before release
[07:59] <cjwatson> anyway, with a fake /cdrom it should all be happy - let me know if it isn't
[07:59] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-installer maybe, as it's quieter
[07:59] <lifeless> k
[07:59] <lifeless> not that this is a riotous place right now ;)
[08:01] <cjwatson> true, but it will be later :)
[08:17] <lifeless> jdub: craptop just installed via the net thanks to cjwatson's pointer :)
[08:17] <lifeless> jdub: 7 minutes end to end
[08:19] <macd> is there any ETA on edgy w/xen supporting more than one domU >?
[08:19] <lifeless> macd: it does now ?
[08:20] <macd> yes but 2 domUs locks dom0.
[08:20] <macd> its a known issue, Im wondering if there is a ETA in a fix
[08:20] <macd> on*
[08:20] <fabbione> macd: you want to talk to zul on ubuntu-kernel
[08:21] <macd> tyvm
[08:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <somerville32> Whats the e-mail address for rt again?
[08:50] <fabbione> rt@admins.c.c
[08:50] <somerville32> thanks
[08:50] <fabbione> admin.c.c
[08:50] <fabbione> sorry
[08:54] <lifeless> jdub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD
[08:55] <fabbione> this is interesting...
[08:55] <fabbione> i need to hit partioner a few times before i can actually use it..
[08:55] <lifeless> try moving the mouse outside the window and back into it
[08:56] <lifeless> does that make the button respond more easily ?
[08:56] <fabbione> cjwatson: i have a strange bug in d-i.. i would love your help to look at it when you are awake
[08:56] <fabbione> lifeless: i am in text mode..
[08:56] <lifeless> fabbione: ! oh
[08:56] <lifeless> cjwatson is heading to London
[08:56] <fabbione> lifeless: yeah it's ok.. i am not in a hurry
[08:56] <fabbione> and i think it happens only in a specific case
[08:57] <fabbione> mount /dev/hdc /cdrom
[08:57] <fabbione> mount: /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[08:57] <fabbione> mount: Mounting /dev/hdc on /cdrom failed: Invalid argument
[08:58] <fabbione> doh!
[09:00] <dholbach> heya Zdra
[09:00] <Zdra> hello :)
[09:07] <pitti> Good morning
[09:09] <Mithrandir> pitti: could you make all the language-support source packages contain a full copy of the GPL, please?
[09:09] <Mithrandir> the packaging there is licenced under the GPL, but they don't contain a copy of it, which they should.
[09:10] <Mithrandir> also, good morning. :-)
[09:10] <pitti> hi Mithrandir 
[09:11] <pitti> Mithrandir: why do they need a full copy, when a pointer to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL suffices for all other packages?
[09:11] <pitti> oh, *source*
[09:12] <pitti> Mithrandir: sure, will do
[09:12] <Mithrandir> yes, source package.  The binaries are fine.
[09:15] <pitti> Mithrandir: committed to langpack-o-matic; thanks!
[09:15] <Mithrandir> pitti: cheers.
[10:27] <pitti> Riddell: do you plan to upload a new amarok and/or new qt3/4 soon?
[10:27] <pitti> Riddell: I need to do some rebuilds for libpq4 -> libpq5 transition
[10:34] <Mithrandir> pitti: can you hold those until after herd-2 is out?
[10:34] <pitti> Mithrandir: hm, already uploaded the first one...
[10:34] <pitti> (cyrus-sasl2, shoulnd't be on the CD)
[10:34] <Mithrandir> pitti: ok, please leave it at that, then?
[10:34] <pitti> Mithrandir: sure, I can stall them
[10:34] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[10:35] <pitti> Mithrandir: when is h2 planned?
[10:35] <Mithrandir> thursday.
[10:35] <doko> Mithrandir: please could you sync ttf-dejavu before h2?
[10:35] <ivoks> in two days :)
[10:36] <Mithrandir> doko: sure, that should be possible.
[10:44] <Keybuk> ... well, it *almost* resumed from suspend
[11:12] <lifeless> Keybuk: hey, with udev, in initramfs, whats the voodoo to say 'please find network cards for me'
[11:12] <lifeless> Keybuk: I'm looking for a smaller hammer than 'sbin/udevtrigger && sbin/udevsettle'
[11:26] <Keybuk> lifeless: which release?
[11:26] <lifeless> Keybuk: edgy
[11:26] <lifeless> udevtrigger -Cnet doesn't seem to find them, which was my first attempt
[11:31] <Keybuk> lifeless: no, that'd only bring up network interfaces that already existed
[11:32] <Keybuk> udevtrigger -bpci -Iclass=0x06*
[11:33] <lifeless> Keybuk: thanks!
[11:33] <lifeless> Keybuk: do I need a settle still ?
[11:33] <Keybuk> personally I'd just run "udevtrigger" without any arguments
[11:33] <Keybuk> it only takes a nanosecond or two
[11:33] <Keybuk> assuming udevd is running, the interface turns up
[11:34] <lifeless> oh, I'm tunning without args at the moment already
[11:34] <lifeless> if its ok to do so, then I'll just leave it as is
[11:34] <Keybuk> yeah
[11:34] <Treenaks> If my sound card mixer has weird labels.. is that a kernel bug or an alsa bug?
[11:35] <Treenaks> (weird = incorrect, actually)
[11:37] <Keybuk> yes
[11:37] <Treenaks> Keybuk: *sigh*.. which one is it?
[11:37] <Keybuk> well, technically it's an alsa
[11:38] <Keybuk> but it may the alsa driver, which is in the kernel
[11:38] <Keybuk> as apposed to the alsa userland
[11:41] <jdub> lifeless: cool!
[11:42] <lifeless> jdub: extremely. 7 minute noodles
[11:46] <thom> ta
[11:47] <thom> gar, silly window manager
[11:56] <thom> hey hey. happy new year!
[11:56] <dholbach> to you too! :-)
[11:58] <seb128> hey thom, happy new year
[12:02] <thom> hey seb!
[12:04] <StevenK> Heh
[12:21] <sivang> hey all
[12:21] <sivang> does anybody recall the name of the program that indexes your chunks of codes and can then provde answer to questions like "which class implements this interface" etc?
[12:22] <StevenK> ctags?
[12:24] <sivang> StevenK: does it work on python too?
[12:25] <lifeless> night all
[12:25] <lifeless> sivang: etags works on python
[12:25] <sivang> lifeless: cool dude, thank you
[12:25] <pitti> sleep well lifeless 
[12:25] <StevenK> exuberant-ctags does, yes
[12:25] <pitti> hi sivang!
[12:27] <sivang> hey pitti , how you doing? 
[12:27] <pitti> sivang: I'm great, how are you?
[12:27] <sivang> pitti: fine as well.
[12:31] <pitti> seb128: I felt it's time to start attacking my pile of 40 'in progress' bugs :)
[12:31] <seb128> pitti: :)
[12:34] <seb128> brb
[12:36] <ogra> in case any archoive admin is fancy doing some NEW reviews, i'd appreciate a look at edsadmin and libflashsupport (the latter for multiverse because of the adobe license)
[12:38] <fabbione> * Mithrandir wonders a bit about libflashsupport.
[12:38] <fabbione> ogra: ^
[12:38] <ogra> Mithrandir, why ?
[12:38] <ogra> its the connection layer between older sound systems and flash9
[12:39] <ogra> needed for things like esd and pulseaudio ...
[12:39] <ogra> which in turn are used in ltsp ...
[12:40] <seb128> ogra: new gnome-screensaver for you
[12:40] <ogra> oh, finally
[12:40] <ogra> seb128, thanks
[12:56] <Mithrandir> ogra: wondering where to put it, mostly.  And I'm not sure it's possible to distribute at all, since it links with openssl and lgpl-ed libs which in turn link to gpl-ed libs.
[12:56] <StevenK> Eeek, that's a mess.
[12:56] <Mithrandir> StevenK: it's flash, what do you expect?
[12:56] <StevenK> Yeah, well. :-)
[12:59] <crimsun> ogra: which older sound systems do you plan to support wrt Flash 9? (I'm not entirely convinced libflashsupport is necessary for alsa [see recent alsa-utils changes for asoundconf to support pulseaudio in an asoundrc]  -- or is alsa just one in many players?)
[01:02] <Mithrandir> ogra: what's the status wrt edubuntu-server?  It's uninstallable.
[01:08] <ogra> Mithrandir, i'm waiting for info on schooltool ... worst case i'll take it out of the seeds temporary for herd2
[01:09] <ogra> crimsun, ltsp uses esd (breezy/dapper/edgy) and pulseaudio (feisty ...) i need the soundserver support there
[01:10] <ogra> plain alsa wont help ...
[01:10] <Mithrandir> ogra: "waiting for info", as in?
[01:11] <ogra> when will it work with the new zope 
[01:11] <ogra> according to doko a simple rebuild isnt enough ...
[01:12] <ogra> (rebuild with new deps)
[01:12] <Fujitsu> ogra, it works with it now, AFAIK. There just isn't a release.
[01:12] <ogra> Fujitsu, right, so i'm waiting for a release ...
[01:12] <doko> Fujitsu: schooltool works with zope3.3???
[01:13] <Fujitsu> doko, I'm fairly sure it works with the latest.
[01:14] <crimsun> ogra: Understood for pre-Feisty. Which pulseaudio packages are you using for Flash9? I don't need any additional libflashsupport in Feisty for pulseaudio and alsa.
[01:14] <doko> Fujitsu: did you look at the debian reports?
[01:15] <ogra> crimsun, the problem are the users that dist-upgrade their system but not their ltsp chroot, they will still have the esd client side ...
[01:16] <crimsun> ogra: ah, and no plans to migrate them to pulseaudio, I presume?
[01:16] <ogra> crimsun, migration without upgrade ?
[01:16] <crimsun> right
[01:16] <crimsun> (I understand now)
[01:17] <ogra> if they dont touch their ltsp "because it works" ...
[01:18] <ogra> pulse should be able to implement the code libflashsupport has directly ... libflashsupport is only an API layer inbetween 
[01:18] <ogra> (if its needed at all for pulse)
[01:19] <crimsun> libflashsupport isn't at all needed for flash9 and pulse; the alsa-lib pulse plugin routes that
[01:20] <crimsun> (the alsa-lib pulse plugin is in 'libasound2-plugins', which unfortunately is in universe)
[01:36] <ogra> mneptok, i'm packaging the latest gnome-screensaver and want to apply your patch, why did you use the slieshow screensaver instead of the floaters one ?
[01:36] <ogra> *slideshow
[01:37] <slomo_> ogra: does pulseaudio work for you with the 2.6.20 kernels?
[01:38] <ogra> slomo, yes, apart from a small glitch with the flash packkage we need to fix it works fine for me
[01:38] <ogra> (flash still creates /tmp/.esd/socket, that makes pulse not start the esd module)
[01:38] <slomo_> ogra: hmm... it doesn't work on any of my machines with .20 but works with .19... all device detection methods return no card with .20 although alsa and oss work :/
[01:39] <ogra> er, ohg, wait a sec
[01:39] <crimsun> slomo_: that's the hal module issue, no?
[01:39] <ogra> i'm still using .19 ... ignore me ...
[01:40] <slomo_> crimsun: which hal module issue? :)
[01:40] <crimsun> slomo_: /etc/pulse/default.pa's "load-module module-hal-detect"
[01:40] <Riddell> pitti: I have no plans for amarok or qt uploads
[01:40] <crimsun> I can't use that; I have to comment that out (and the if block) and use "load-module module-detect" instead
[01:41] <slomo_> crimsun: hm works... i wonder what broke hal from .19 to .20 :/ thanks
[01:42] <crimsun> np
[01:42] <Mithrandir> seb128,dholbach: you'll tell me when your gnome uploads are done so I can spin cds?
[01:49] <ogra> Mithrandir, time to promote mbr (if you didnt already)
[01:49] <Mithrandir> mvo: can you please do a g-a-i desktop database update?
[01:49] <Mithrandir> ogra: done hours ago
[01:49] <ogra> oki
[01:51] <ogra> Mithrandir, edsadmin rejected ? do we have our "bad licenses day" today ? :/
[01:52] <Mithrandir> ogra: yeah, I think we're at about 5:1 of rejects:accepts for the archive lately.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ouch!
[01:52] <ogra> i hate licenses
[01:52] <Treenaks> ogra: everything pd!
[01:52] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: yeah, especially for me who get to review the packages again and again until they're good.
[01:52] <seb128> ogra: are you already working on the gnome-screensaver update?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: indeed.
[01:53] <ogra> seb128, yeps
[01:53] <seb128> Mithrandir: ok, most of it is done, only a bunch to do
[01:53] <ogra> seb128, why ? anything i should add ?
[01:53] <seb128> ogra: no, just trying to get 2.17.5 for herd-2 and that's one of the remaining packages to update ;)
[01:53] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: also fun stuff like the flash support library probably being undistributable due to linking with openssl and indirectly with GPL-ed libs.
[01:53] <ogra> Treenaks, lets just drop licensing altogether ... 
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ugh
[01:54] <Mithrandir> as long as people stay with standard licences like the GPL or BSD/MIT/X11, things are fine, but not so much when there's no COPYING in the orig.tar.gz, etc.
[01:55] <ogra> Mithrandir, i have no clue if or how it works without ssl ... but i'll try to drop the dep ... if that doesnt work it doesnt work...
[01:56] <ogra> or do you think linking it against libesd and libpulse will also be illegal ? 
[01:58] <Mithrandir> the licence looks GPL-compatible, but I think I'll run it past elmo, who has way more experience than I.
[01:58] <Mithrandir> mvo: have you had any luck with 75882?
[01:58] <crimsun> Mithrandir: (I'm aware that main's frozen) Are my uploads (scorch3d and teg) failing in soyuz?
[01:58] <crimsun> scorched3d, even
[01:59] <Mithrandir> crimsun: they're probably ending up in unapproved, but I just approve stuff going to universe.
[02:00] <Mithrandir> but yeah, they failed.  If you actually signed them, I can reprocess them
[02:00] <crimsun> I did. Twice for each.
[02:00] <crimsun> (meaning I've reuploaded each)
[02:01] <Mithrandir> crimsun: hmm
[02:01] <Mithrandir> let's see if it works this time around, if not, I'll prod cprov 
[02:02] <crimsun> upload again?
[02:02] <Mithrandir> nah, I moved them
[02:02] <crimsun> ok, thanks!
[02:02] <Mithrandir> as in, moved them back to incoming
[02:24] <seb128> Mithrandir: did you already approve the new liboobs? if not maybe wait
[02:25] <Mithrandir> seb128: no, I haven't
[02:25] <seb128> ok, wait then
[02:25] <Mithrandir> wait or reject?
[02:25] <seb128> wait
[02:25] <Mithrandir> ok
[02:25] <seb128> new g-s-t has UI changes to time-admin
[02:25] <seb128> and I'm wondering if that could be a problem for ubiquity
[02:26] <seb128> maybe would be better to get after herd-2
[02:26] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
[02:26] <seb128> cjwatson: does ubiquity cares about time-admin changes?
[02:26] <Mithrandir> so I should hold g-s-t back, too?
[02:26] <seb128> Mithrandir: I've not uploaded that one yet 
[02:27] <seb128> liboobs has a soname change anyway
[02:27] <seb128> so it shouldn't break current g-s-t even if accepted
[02:27] <Mithrandir> I always read liboobs as lib-boobs, I'm sure it's deliberate.
[02:28] <Mithrandir> and I go "huh?" every time too.
[02:28] <jdahlin> Heya, I have a problem booting from an edgy cd. It fails during the unpacking of the initrd image. Any clues?
[02:28] <seb128> Mithrandir: yeah :)
[02:28] <seb128> hey jdahlin
[02:28] <jdahlin> It's an offical cd, eg pressed, not burned
[02:28] <jdahlin> bonjour seb128 
[02:29] <seb128> jdahlin: happy new year
[02:29] <seb128> jdahlin: dunno about the CD question
[02:29] <jdahlin> seb128, happy new year too
[02:29] <jdahlin> seb128, okay
[02:30] <Keybuk> jdahlin: we're somewhat busy today - what's up?
[02:30] <jdahlin> Keybuk, I'm unable to boot the official edgy cd, something happens when the initrd image is unpacked
[02:31] <jdahlin> okay, just wanted to know if there are any known workarounds
[02:31] <Keybuk> not without further information on what the problem is
[02:31] <Keybuk> "doesn't boot" is a little vague
[02:31] <Keybuk> have you performed a CD check?
[02:32] <jdahlin> no, I assumed the pressed CD was okay. But I'll do that
[02:32] <pitti> doko: ++(syncing from etch until feature freeze)
[02:32] <Keybuk> from the sound of it, it could be boot-loader related; Mithrandir may be able to help
[02:33] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: what error do you get?
[02:33] <jdahlin> extracting initrd.gz from the CD directly seems to work
[02:33] <Mithrandir> also, what kind of machine/cpu/motherboard?
[02:33] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, let me reboot and test
[02:34] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, intel something / celeron 400
[02:34] <Mithrandir> ok
[02:34] <Mithrandir> you could try removing quiet and splash from the kernel command line to see if that helps
[02:34] <jdahlin> thanks, that'll probably show a bit more
[02:36] <seb128> ogra: it's not that bad
[02:36] <seb128> is it?
[02:36] <ogra> currently it is
[02:36] <seb128> evolution works fine on my desktop
[02:36] <seb128> I'm wondering if I'm just being lucky with it :p
[02:36] <pitti> seb128: yay for latest evo not crashing any more in todo list :)
[02:36] <seb128> it works fine on my laptop too
[02:36] <seb128> pitti: ah, I didn't notice, thank you for pointing it ;)
[02:36] <ogra> my inbox has ~22000 mails and i recieve 120 mails since 2h ... filtering takes ages with imap and tls
[02:37] <pitti> ogra: 22000 mails in one mailbox are a PITA with every program, even mutt
[02:37] <ogra> and i still didnt find the time to set up offlineimap
[02:37] <ogra> pitti, thats only my inbox
[02:37] <pitti> ogra: I can give you a quick walkthrough on offlineimap if you wnat
[02:38] <ogra> my ubuntu-users mailbox is bigger :P
[02:38] <ogra> s/mailbox/folder/
[02:38] <ogra> heh, ok
[02:40] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, the error I get is "isolinux: Disk Error 80, AX = 4200, drive 9F"
[02:40] <jdahlin> I can also add that it's not possible to do the media check because of the same error
[02:41] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: it looks a lot like a dirty CD-ROM drive.
[02:41] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: can you try with another?
[02:42] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, sure. but it seems to work fine under windows
[02:42] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: afaik, isolinux isn't very heavy on the error recovery.
[02:42] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: it's a first shot at least.
[02:42] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: you can also try booting while holding down shift, that should put isolinux into safe-mode.
[02:42] <Mithrandir> Riddell: can you start testing your live images?  I'll spin you alternate ones now that mbr is in main.
[02:43] <Riddell> Mithrandir: already testing
[02:43] <Mithrandir> Riddell: great. :-)
[02:44] <Mithrandir> Riddell: I'm spinning new alternate CDs for you now so you get the ones with mbr on them.
[02:45] <crimsun> Mithrandir: do you need xubuntu testers for 20070109?
[02:45] <Mithrandir> crimsun: yeah, testing of -live for xubuntu would be good.
[02:46] <crimsun> on it
[02:46] <Mithrandir> I'll spin alternate as soon as the kubuntu ones are done
[02:52] <mvo> Mithrandir: 75882 should be fixed in feisty, but I haven't investigated why it will reinstall the packages later again
[02:56] <spike> hi there
[02:56] <spike> is there any option I can use with preseeding to specify additional options for grub?
[02:57] <spike> I'm lookint at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html , Boot loader installation section
[02:57] <spike> but cant see anything useful
[02:57] <spike> what I want to is to add "console=ttyS1,57600" - that's all I need
[02:57] <spike> I can do it postinstall before rebooting with sed obviously, but was wondering if there was a better way within preseeding
[03:01] <pitti> hi zul
[03:02] <zul> hi pitt how is it going?
[03:03] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[03:06] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, I get an identical error with another CD drive.
[03:09] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: hmm, ok.  You've tried booting while holding shift down too?
[03:10] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, yes, that didn't help much either
[03:11] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: then I'm not sure. :-(
[03:12] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, I'll do some googling. It could be a very broken BIOS
[03:15] <Mithrandir> Riddell: alternate done
[03:19] <Riddell> cjwatson: seems like qt4 ubiquity has a couple of crashes in it still.  I'm stuck on one of them..
[03:19] <Riddell>   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py", line 1654, in set_summary_device
[03:19] <Riddell>     if not device.startswith('(') and not device.startswith('/dev/'):
[03:19] <Riddell> AttributeError: startswith
[03:19] <Riddell> but device is definately a str at that point, so I don't understand how it doesn't have startswith
[03:20] <ogra> do you need a backslash for '(' ?
[03:21] <Riddell> not according to a quick test on the python interpreter
[03:21] <ogra> hmm
[03:22] <jdahlin> Riddell, it can't be a string, it's probably None
[03:22] <ogra> what if you force it to a string with str() ? does it work then ?
[03:22] <Riddell> device is: <type 'str'>
[03:22] <Keybuk> jdong: what changed about it?
[03:22] <Riddell> it's definately a str
[03:22] <jdong> Keybuk: the autocomplete tries to fill things in as you type
[03:22] <jdong> destructively
[03:22] <Keybuk> it's always done that, no?
[03:22] <jdong> no
[03:23] <jdahlin> edgy has gtk 2.10, some things changed betweeon 2.8 and 2.10
[03:23] <jdong> it's displayed the highlighted portion
[03:23] <jdong> and continued letting me type
[03:23] <jdong> but not chose things without my permission
[03:23] <jdong> i.e. I'd type in /tmp and end up with /tmp/media/play
[03:23] <Keybuk> press Delete
[03:24] <jdong> grr and I can only get it to happen part of the time....
[03:25] <jdong> ok, now it's magically working
[03:25] <jdong> but I swear three minutes ago it was on an autocompleting rampage
[03:28] <jdong> Keybuk: ok, it's doing it again
[03:29] <jdong> I restarted firefox and now the open dialog is completing things as soon as there is only one completion
[03:29] <jdong> pressing delete does nothing
[03:29] <Keybuk> ah, well, Firefox
[03:29] <Keybuk> that uses its own implementation, I suspect :P
[03:29] <jdong> I've had it happen elsewhere too
[03:30] <jdong> grr
[03:30] <jdong> oh well, enough being angry with a stupid dialog :)
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya
[03:39] <Mithrandir> crimsun: alternates ready for xubuntu too.
[03:39] <Mithrandir> note that if you end up with trouble mounting the CD, I know the fix for it, but it means we need a workaround for your arch.
[03:39] <bddebian> Mithrandir: I'm going to have to go upstream to fix libparagui?
[03:41] <seb128> Mithrandir: is control-center waiting approval?
[03:42] <Mithrandir> bddebian: just a second.
[03:42] <Mithrandir> seb128: doesn't look like it, no.
[03:43] <Mithrandir> liboobs is the only thing in unapproved
[03:44] <seb128> Mithrandir: hum, weird, I've uploaded it 1h30 ago
[03:44] <seb128> Mithrandir: and it's not listed anywhere apparently
[03:45] <Mithrandir> seb128: it seems like something is making soyuz eat half the uploads.
[03:47] <seb128> Mithrandir: no fun :/ Should I ping somebody from the launchpad team or could you look at what is going on ?
[03:47] <Mithrandir> seb128: no need, I've already pinged cprov
[03:48] <seb128> ok
[03:48] <cjwatson> seb128: I ripped all use of time-admin out of ubiquity a couple of days ago; feel free to modify it
[03:49] <seb128> cjwatson: ah, thank you
[03:49] <seb128> Mithrandir: approve liboobs please then :)
[03:49] <seb128> Mithrandir: I'm going to upload the new g-s-t and then we should be good for GNOME 2.17.5
[03:49] <Mithrandir> seb128: ok, excellent
[03:50] <Mithrandir> accepted.
[03:50] <pitti> seb128: were there any patches left for ipv4ll support?
[03:50] <seb128> pitti: no
[03:50] <pitti> great
[03:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: does python-qt4 do truly evil things to Python's core classes?
[03:50] <seb128> pitti: try the upstream variant when available pelase :)
[03:50] <seb128> please
[03:50] <pitti> seb128: of course
[03:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: that's the only reason I can think of for that sort of breakage
[03:51] <cjwatson> jdahlin: device isn't None because the line immediately above the one Riddell mentions is "if device is not None:"
[03:52] <Riddell> cjwatson: it doesn't as far as I know
[03:53] <Mithrandir> Riddell: does alternate work for you so far?
[03:53] <Riddell> Mithrandir: still on desktop, I'll burn alternate now
[03:54] <Mithrandir> ok.
[03:54] <Mithrandir> you saw my caution against it not being able to mount the cd above?
[03:54] <dholbach> pitti: did you mean garnacho? :)
[03:54] <pitti> dholbach: yes, probably :)
[03:54] <dholbach> hehehehehe
[04:00] <Hobbsee> heya pitti 
[04:03] <pitti> hi Hobbsee|NotHere 
[04:03] <crimsun> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:03] <Hobbsee|NotHere> :)
[04:04] <crimsun> hmm, on 20070109 (xubuntu daily-live) ubiquity appears to do some very strange screen corruption things after I select US English as the keymap
[04:05] <crimsun> I'm able to ctrl+alt+backspace to restart the X Window session, however
[04:05] <cjwatson> known bug, see console-setup
[04:06] <crimsun> ok
[04:06] <cjwatson> crimsun: it's bug 73955
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73955
[04:06] <Mithrandir> gnr, we either need new d-i or new kernel for amd64 too.
[04:07] <cjwatson> crimsun: I can't reproduce it here; do you think you could dig into it based on the reduced test case I posted there?
[04:07] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: we need new d-i on all architectures for the {storage,fs}-core-modules breakage, I think
[04:07] <fabbione> Mithrandir: isofs?
[04:07] <Mithrandir> fabbione,cjwatson: yes.  Just trying to decide.
[04:07] <cjwatson> I don't see why that should be arch-specific unless there are dependencies on fs-core-modules
[04:08] <fabbione> the kernel would be cleaner but you will still need a d-i upload to catch it up
[04:08] <crimsun> cjwatson: I'll attempt
[04:08] <Mithrandir> fabbione: yeah, so I think I'll just work around it in d-i
[04:08] <cjwatson> crimsun: thanks, I'd appreciate it
[04:08] <Mithrandir> while wrong, it's not that bad.
[04:08] <fabbione> Mithrandir: we can clean it up immediately after
[04:08] <Mithrandir> sure
[04:10] <Commander-Crowe> hi where can i find Ubuntu 7.04 checksum?
[04:10] <seb128> cjwatson: just curious, why did you stop using time-admin?
[04:11] <crimsun> Commander-Crowe: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[04:12] <Commander-Crowe> haha thanks
[04:13] <Commander-Crowe> god is it buggie
[04:13] <Commander-Crowe> but nice
[04:14] <Commander-Crowe> tehcore
[04:16] <Riddell> Mithrandir: kubuntu amd64 alternate does indeed fail to mount the cd
[04:16] <Mithrandir> Riddell: ok, I'm rolling a new d-i.  Once it's in, I'll roll new images.  How are your live images looking?
[04:17] <Riddell> Mithrandir: not so good, the power manager crashes on startup and the whole thing seems to freeze at 71% installed
[04:18] <Riddell> cjwatson, Mithrandir: patch for ubiquity http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.diff
[04:18] <Mithrandir> Riddell: hm, ok
[04:18] <astan> hello folks. how can i help with/request a feisty package to go into edgy-backports? (python-sqlalchemy)
[04:18] <Mithrandir> (to the power manager and freeze; I'm looking at the diff now)
[04:18] <cjwatson> seb128: way too many small issues to be worth it; people can set the time post-install
[04:19] <seb128> cjwatson: ok
[04:19] <cjwatson> Riddell: thanks, will apply; BTW I believe you're supposed to use 'is not None' rather than '!= None'
[04:19] <Mithrandir> Riddell: I was just typing what cjwatson typed, apart from that looks good.
[04:20] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: you're planning on another ubiquity upload tonight?
[04:20] <cjwatson> can do one today
[04:20] <cjwatson> Riddell: what about the other issue?
[04:20] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[04:20] <Riddell> cjwatson: still investigating the curious device string issue
[04:21] <Commander-Crowe> My system crashed when I tried to open up "about ubuntu"
[04:22] <cjwatson> Commander-Crowe: please report bugs in the bug tracking system rather than here; we need to use this channel for developer coordination
[04:22] <Commander-Crowe> oh ok
[04:22] <Commander-Crowe> I did btw
[04:22] <cjwatson> Riddell: applied, thanks
[04:23] <cjwatson> Commander-Crowe: ok, then that's generally sufficient; we only need to know here if it's an all-consuming showstopper for an upcoming release
[04:23] <Commander-Crowe> um
[04:23] <Commander-Crowe> is there any developing I can do via python or shell scripting?
[04:24] <cjwatson> Commander-Crowe: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[04:24] <sfllaw> pitti: Can you please include the debdiff for bug 72125?
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72125 in tzdata "Daylight Saving changes in Western Australia" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72125
[04:24] <pitti> sfllaw: I included the diff of the included tarball
[04:24] <pitti> sfllaw: apart from that, it's just the changelog
[04:25] <pitti> sfllaw: the debdiff is changelog + 'binary files differ' for the single tzdata2006p.tar.gz
[04:25] <sfllaw> pitti: Ah, I see.
[04:25] <sfllaw> That was not clear from my reading of the bug.
[04:25] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[04:27] <pitti> sfllaw: not sure whether cjwatson already approved the dapper counterpart (langpack-locales), I don't think so; but for that it's the same story, updated included tarball
[04:27] <Commander-Crowe> does the live CD of Ubuntu not run XGL/Beryl/Compiz?
[04:27] <Commander-Crowe> but does run in the installed verison
[04:28] <Commander-Crowe> nativly that is
[04:32] <ogra> Mithrandir, i just uploaded a new gnome-screensaver, please approve
[04:36] <Pierre> hello
[04:37] <Pierre> about #78476, did I use the right channel or is there a more appropriate way to inform the pkg maintainers?
[04:38] <Pierre> hm mabye -bugs :)
[04:39] <seb128> Pierre: launchpad is the right place for bugs usually ;)
[04:40] <seb128> Pierre: no need to ping on IRC for them
[04:40] <Pierre> seb128: yes, my question was whether it is a bug or I should post that somewhere else. But as long as it is a bug, I will be quiet :)
[04:41] <Pierre> +if
[04:43] <Pierre> question answered, thanks :)
[04:53] <Riddell> cjwatson: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.diff updated with fix for device string issue too, seems it was a QString not a str
[05:00] <ogra> lifeless, ping
[05:01] <_ion> Hi dholbach
[05:02] <_ion> dholbach: See anything weird in /usr/share/doc/deskbar-applet/changelog.Debian.gz? ;-)
[05:02] <_ion> Hint: 2.17.5-0ubuntu1, key binding
[05:03] <dholbach> haha
[05:03] <dholbach> i doubt that was my mistake ;)
[05:03] <dholbach> " * Prevents binding of keys a-z and shit-a-z." from ./NEWS
[05:03] <dholbach> ;-)
[05:04] <_ion> Perhaps they have different keyboards where the upstream authors live.
[05:04] <dholbach> I'm sure :)
[05:06] <Nafallo> haha
[05:08] <mneptok> ogra: ping
[05:08] <ogra> mneptok, pong
[05:08] <mneptok> ogra: chose sshow for the lowest cpu usage
[05:08] <pitti> carlos: can I nag you again about bug 68646? it's high time for new langpacks for stables
[05:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68646 in rosetta "Russian l11n in tsclient is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68646
[05:09] <mneptok> ogra: floater smells heavier *shrug*
[05:09] <carlos> pitti: oh, right. I forgot it completely
[05:09] <carlos> I will do the upload later today
[05:09] <ogra> mneptok, its ... but only minimally
[05:09] <carlos> pitti: thanks for remind me it
[05:09] <pitti> carlos: thanks
[05:09] <ogra> i defaulted to the floating ubuntu logo from bug #59365 now ... if you think thats to heavy we can still switch
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59365 in gnome-screensaver "ubuntu theme" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/59365
[05:10] <ogra> just waiting for the ACCEPTED message from soyuz to close the bugs :)
[05:10] <mneptok> ogra: i think whatever the crappiest driver can display with minimal cpu or further dev cycles is best
[05:11] <ogra> well, i think a tradeoff for beauty is valid ... so some percent of CPU may be used for animation imho :)
[05:12] <ogra> (apart from that i only have to uuen/decode a single pc instead of a whole directory :) )
[05:13] <ogra> s/pc/pic/
whatever you think is best, dear</girlfriend_voice>
[05:13] <ogra> :)
[05:13] <cjwatson> Riddell: muse.19inch.net won't talk to me
[05:14] <cjwatson> Riddell: presumably it's just unicode() in on_advanced_button_clicked?
[05:18] <Riddell> cjwatson: that's it
[05:20] <Riddell> hmm, ubiquity getting stuck at 71% installed was fixed by burning to a new CD, but now it's stuck on 22gnome_panel_data
[05:21] <kanzie> Is this a good place to report tiny bugs?
[05:21] <pitti> kanzie: usually not; the bug tracker is
[05:23] <kanzie> ok, so a mapping-problem that is easy to work around in gparted and a dialogue error in Sharing in edgy is nothing to discuss here but to write formal reports on?
[05:25] <cjwatson> Riddell: can you find out if that script is actually running, or if the next thing is running but just hasn't updated the progress bar yet?
[05:26] <Riddell> cjwatson: the script isn't in ps output
[05:28] <cjwatson> perhaps something else is? ps axf is often helpful to see the process tree
[05:30] <Riddell> cjwatson: /usr/bin/python /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py is the bottom of the ubiquity tree
[05:31] <Riddell> top says it's using 94% CPU, so it's doing something
[05:41] <cjwatson> Riddell: hmm. can you lsof that to find out if it has any interesting files open?
[05:42] <Mithrandir> Riddell: kde-guidance needed for herd-2?
[05:43] <Riddell> Mithrandir: yes please
[05:43] <Riddell> fixes crash on startup of live CD
[05:43] <Mithrandir> Riddell: accepted
[05:43] <Riddell> thanks
[05:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: (holding off upgrade until we dig into this)
[05:47] <cjwatson> er, upload
[06:01] <ogra> Mithrandir, there is an edubuntu-meta upload that fixes -server waiting for approval ...
[06:02] <ogra> pitti, rmemeber that du -hcs i started when we were in priv ? it just finished now :)
[06:02] <pitti> ogra: ouch
[06:02] <ogra> 3.6G
[06:03] <pitti> ogra: seriously, you should archive your mails from time to time instead of keeping them around forever in your active mailboxes
[06:03] <ogra> well, then searching old stuff gets so painful ...
[06:03] <pitti> zgrep :)
[06:03] <ogra> but i should probably have a db backend *g*
[06:03] <pitti> well, your choice of course
[06:03] <Mithrandir> seb128: s-t-b, evo-webcal, intltool, gnome-icon-theme are all targetted for herd-2?
[06:04] <Mithrandir> if searching in multiple folders is painful, use another client for that
[06:05] <ogra> well, i thought about that ...
[06:05] <ogra> but somehw i feel i should use what our users use as well to see where they suffer ...
[06:05] <keescook> mornin' folks
[06:06] <Mithrandir> ogra: but you know what?  They probably don't keep 22k messages in a single folder.
[06:06] <Mithrandir> so they don't see those problems.
[06:06] <ogra> nah, really ? :)
[06:06] <spike> were debian-installer/locale=en_US.UTF-8 kbd-chooser/method=us available in breezy?
[06:07] <ogra> it would be nice if mutt could just use my .evolution maildirs folder ... 
[06:07] <spike> or what was the equivalent? there's no "installation manual" with a preseeding section for breezy :(
[06:07] <thom> ogra: just point it at them, then? if they're real maildirs, i don't see what the problem would be
[06:07] <ogra> hmm, i never tried that ...
[06:08] <seb128> Mithrandir: yep
[06:08] <ogra> (didnt know mutt is capable of reading maildir format)
[06:09] <thom> only for the last hundred million years or so ;-)
[06:09] <_ion> thom++
[06:09] <Mithrandir> apart from being a bit slow, evo seems happy with my 20k mail folders here.
[06:10] <ogra> Mithrandir, its only the filtering thats slow
[06:10] <pitti> ogra: I have used mutt with maildir for a long time, works fine; I can point evo to those without any problem
[06:10] <ogra> i.e. overnight i recieve about 300 mails, then around the morning my net connection drops ... if i come to my machine in the morning it takes 1-2h to get them all filtered
[06:11] <Mithrandir> use server-side filtering and imap, then.
[06:11] <ogra> i use server side SA for tagging and sort the spam locally after tags ...
[06:11] <Riddell> cjwatson: 
[06:12] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/311195
[06:12] <pitti> ogra: but if you sort spam on the server side, you save the download
[06:12] <ogra> so i dont have to rely on my server being vailable if i want to recover a mislead spam mail ...
[06:12] <Ng> what is likely to be deciding that the "User" button on my keyboard == suspend?
[06:12] <_ion> pitti: Same but s/procmail/maildrop/
[06:12] <pitti> ogra: ok, if that's an issue, then you are right
[06:12] <ogra> pitti, right, but i always need the server 
[06:12] <Mithrandir> ogra: no, you don't.  Just make sure to mark all folders available for offline use.
[06:13] <seb128> Mithrandir: gedit for herd-2 too if you want to accept it and we are uptodate for GNOME
[06:13] <Mithrandir> seb128: hooray!
[06:19] <spike> if an installation process never asked you for a user/password, how's the default account supposed to be created?
[06:20] <pitti> spike: it does ask you
[06:20] <spike> believe me it didnt... I'm having serious issues with this breezy installation... *serious*
[06:20] <ogra> pitti, unless you choose oem :)
[06:21] <spike> there's no way to get preseeding to work, and when it drops to manual install ti will just behave weirdly 
[06:21] <pitti> ogra: that still asks for a password
[06:21] <ogra> oh, right
[06:21] <spike> it looks like it loaded half of the answers from the preseed file, some from manual questions
[06:22] <spike> but the end result is totally unconsinstent :(
[06:26] <kanzie>  Im trying to find the best way to install Eclipse environment on my Ubuntu Edgy system. I want it for developing php and Java... any ideas?
[06:27] <pitti> kanzie: apt-get install eclipse?
[06:27] <pitti> kanzie: -> #ubuntu, btw
[06:28] <kanzie> pitti, tried there... no success
[06:32] <User65> hey
[06:32] <User65> can someone help me
[06:32] <User65> err theres only one person
[06:32] <User65> bye bye
[06:32] <LaserJock> ... ok
[06:32] <_ion> Right.
[06:34] <_ion> These composited windows for the eject/volume keys are really nice.
[06:35] <pitti> _ion: hm, they exist for ages... breezy or so
[06:35] <_ion> I'm sure they do, but i haven't used a compositing window manager for that long. :-)
[06:36] <pitti> oh, with compositing
[06:36] <cjwatson> spike: it's on archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/doc/manual/ or thereabouts
[06:37] <cjwatson> Riddell: doesn't look significant; does strace show anything much?
[06:37] <cjwatson> Ng: hotkey-setup IIRC
[06:38] <pitti> _ion: I still cannot understand how people can live with using compiz' totally f**ed workspace handling
[06:38] <pitti> (not even to mention the eye-hurting fade effects in menus etc.)
[06:38] <seb128> pitti: if you don't use workspaces it's actually nic
[06:38] <seb128> nice
[06:39] <Nafallo> pitti: :-)
[06:39] <_ion> pitti: You haven't tried to configure it?
[06:39] <_ion> pitti: It's unusable with default settings.
[06:39] <seb128> pitti: well, a smooth fade-in is actually nice
[06:39] <pitti> _ion: there are only two settings for me: 'workspace on cube' and 'wobbly windows'
[06:39] <pitti> seb128: maybe, but it should be faster IMHO
[06:40] <seb128> pitti: wait for next version, I'm working on an update based on changes from some contributor working on it
[06:40] <_ion> TBH, i use beryl. Its configuration program is *awful*, but at least i don't have to configure it with gconf-editor.
[06:40] <pitti> seb128: new compiz, now with 58.3% more love? :)
[06:40] <seb128> well, new compiz has not that many change
[06:40] <thom> i could care less about love, but having some workspaces would be nice ;-)
[06:40] <seb128> we will try setting the number of viewport to 1
[06:40] <pitti> thom: well, it has, but you don't see the other workspaces in the switcher
[06:40] <Riddell> cjwatson: strace doesn't seem to work attaching to the install.py process, it just outputs read(0," and nothing more
[06:40] <seb128> to have a workspace behaviour similar to the current one
[06:41] <thom> pitti: yeah
[06:41] <seb128> pitti: and the guy has written some compiz-GNOME keybinding sync plugin
[06:41] <pitti> thom: not breaking my settings == love enough for my taste for now
[06:41] <seb128> pitti: which should make the keybindings work the same way
[06:41] <cjwatson> Riddell: that's not strace being broken - that's just that install.py is waiting for something
[06:41] <pitti> \o/
[06:41] <thom> yeah, keybindings is the other suck
[06:41] <cjwatson> Riddell: are you sure it doesn't have a subprocess somewhere?
[06:41] <_ion> The only thing really keeping me from switching from beryl to compiz is the lack of the 'state' plugin in the compiz package.
[06:42] <cjwatson> Riddell: I think I'll upload this now, TBH - this sounds pretty nebulous :(
[06:42] <seb128> _ion: what is "state"?
[06:42] <Riddell> cjwatson: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/311211
[06:43] <cjwatson> Riddell: sort of seems like one of its subprocesses has died but it didn't notice
[06:43] <carlos> pitti: hi, could you check again tsclient?
[06:44] <Riddell> cjwatson: on my powerpc it gets stuck on 32_gnome_power_manager.  (the i386 one gets stuck on 22gnome_panel)
[06:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: might be worth rebooting and running it again using 'ubiquity --debug'
[06:44] <_ion> seb128: It allows me to say "set *all* windows' brightness to 70%, but set mplayer's brightness to 100%". I crank my monitors to their brightest setting and compensate for that with the state plugin, but videos aren't too dark anymore.
[06:44] <cjwatson> (you don't need any manual kdesu stuff nowadays)
[06:45] <seb128> _ion: looks like a corner usecase
[06:45] <_ion> seb128: I think many people would love that if there was a simple checkbox that configured things so.
[06:45] <seb128> checkbox to configure what?
[06:46] <pitti> carlos: oh, 'used elsewhere still has the screwed strings, but that's okay I think'
[06:46] <carlos> pitti: yeah, I cannot remove them easily
[06:46] <pitti> carlos: I requested a download; easier to check than the web pages
[06:46] <carlos> pitti: ok
[06:47] <carlos> pitti: btw, that's not a Rosetta bug, but a translation error done by someone, so the bugs should be agains the language pack
[06:47] <carlos> pitti: that's why I rejected the task in Rosetta
[06:47] <carlos> pitti: I fixed it, but usually, that's a task for the translation team
[06:47] <_ion> "Click this to darken all windows but Xv and OpenGL ones. Remember to increase your monitor's brightness." I know many people who always manually change their monitor's brightness when they're watching a movie.
[06:48] <pitti> carlos: I'm not sure; it seems it misinterpreted the po files from the source packages
[06:48] <seb128> _ion: weird
[06:48] <carlos> from what I saw, someone got the .po file, changed the encoding field but didn't recode the file
[06:49] <seb128> _ion: I don't think I know anybody doing that
[06:49] <ogra> me neither
[06:49] <carlos> pitti: we don't change encoding randomly
[06:49] <Riddell> cjwatson: the good news is it all works fine if I delete those two scripts
[06:49] <keescook> agh, can an ubuntu-devel moderator white-list .*kees@outflux.net ?  Looks like Mailman is using my envelope-from for filtering...
[06:50] <_ion> Applications are too bright if i use them with the brightness movies are most enjoyable with.
[06:51] <pitti> carlos: hmm, the exported file is still totally screwed
[06:51] <pitti> carlos: does the export use older data than the webui?
[06:51] <carlos> pitti: unfortunately  that's another bug
[06:51] <carlos> pitti: danilo has already a fix
[06:52] <carlos> let me force a an update
[06:52] <cjwatson> Riddell: they're in casper; perhaps casper-reconfigure needs to be taught to skip packages that don't exist
[06:52] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: ^-- could you comment?
[06:54] <pitti> carlos: strings look fine now, thanks! will they make it into tomorrow's tarballs?
[06:55] <carlos> yeah
[06:55] <carlos> they should
[06:55] <pitti> great
[06:55] <pitti> carlos: thanks
[06:56] <carlos> np
[07:00] <gpocentek> hum, the latest xubuntu daily image fails to mount the cd (after hardware detection)
[07:00] <gpocentek> does this happen with other *buntu isos?
[07:01] <cjwatson> gpocentek: yeah, that's being sorted
[07:01] <gpocentek> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[07:03] <cjwatson> gpocentek: (recent debian-installer upload)
[07:03] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I thought it did already.
[07:05] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: hmm, it is supposed
[07:05] <cjwatson> to
[07:05] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: OH
[07:05] <cjwatson> if [ -z "$version" ] ; then
[07:05] <cjwatson>     echo "$0: package '$package' is not installed"
[07:05] <cjwatson>     exit 0
[07:05] <cjwatson> fi
[07:05] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: please make that echo >&2 kthxbye
[07:06] <cjwatson> otherwise it pisses about with the debconf communication channel
[07:06] <cjwatson> hooray, that fixes some really obscure bugs, I suspect
[07:10] <jdahlin> Mithrandir, I arrived here and my xchat tab was blue, can you repeat the last thing you said?
[07:25] <cjwatson> Mithrandir,Riddell: Fix in casper bzr, I believe; can you look at it? There are some other changes in bzr (which are overdue to be uploaded) and I have to go and get on a train nonw.
[07:25] <cjwatson> now.
[07:37] <[Kork] > hi
[07:38] <nixternal> cjwatson: the Ubiquity crash bug I filed that you just fix released (thanks btw), is this tied to the issue I have with alternate CDs not mounting the CDROM?
[07:41] <[Kork] > some feedback: would it be possible to drop "totem-mozilla" from "ubuntu-desktop" in feisty? it interferes with "mozilla-mplayer", which i prefer to use. removing "totem-mozilla" means removing "ubuntu-desktop", which is kind of suboptimal.
[08:36] <seb128> Mithrandir: did you figure what happened to that control-center upload?
[08:44] <seb128> Mithrandir: I've uploaded libbonoboui 2.17.0, nothing really interesting to it, should be fine to accept if you want it, fine to delay for after herd too
[09:07] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: ping ?
[09:12] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: I just upload another fixed guidance (packaging issue this time, my fault), latest should be okay
[09:12] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: files conflicting during package installation, so that would highly impact the livecd if not aproved.... sorry for the inconvenience....
[09:15] <gnomefreak> what time today are we starting the freeze?
[09:15] <keescook> gnomefreak: looks like it already started.  :)
[09:15] <ogra> gnomefreak, 10 am UTC ;)
[09:16] <gnomefreak> oh darn im all kinds of behind ty
[09:32] <mdke_> mdz: around?
[09:56] <Seveas> elmo, mako, cjwatson: CC meting in T minus 3 minutes
[10:08] <sfllaw> Fridge Editors: There's some broken HTML in http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/708
[10:10] <mdke> sfllaw: thanks. Although pure chance I saw it, email is best
[10:11] <mdke> sfllaw: what's the broken HTML?
[10:13] <sfllaw> mdke: Man, now I have to look.
[10:13] <sfllaw> Line 78.
[10:14] <sfllaw> alt="Ben Collins" " />
[10:14] <sfllaw> That's totally wrong.
[10:17] <mdke> oh yeah
[10:17] <mdke> is that better now?
[10:18] <sfllaw> mdke: I won'jt be able to tell for a while.
[10:18] <sfllaw> But I think that's the only thing.
[10:18] <sfllaw> Running it through a validator will give you bonus points.
[10:18] <mdke> sfllaw: ok, thanks
[10:45] <lifeless> moin
[10:46] <lifeless> ogra: pong
[10:55] <Chipzz> anyone read this: http://jongsmamm.blogspot.com/2007/01/gdb-slowness.html
[11:19] <ogra> lifeless, you didnt tell me you implement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD
[11:20] <ogra> you reimplement 80% of ltsp in that spec
[11:20] <lifeless> ogra: I did link that to the channel a few times ogra :)
[11:20] <ogra> the spec ? 
[11:20] <lifeless> yes
[11:20] <ogra> hmm, then i missed it ...
[11:20] <ogra> strange ... 
[11:21] <ogra> but anyway, all of the dhcp and tftp stuff is already handled by ltsp-server ... 
[11:21] <lifeless> anyhow, I am sure there is large overlap, netboot is netbooting after all.
[11:21] <lifeless> ogra: phone call, brb.
[11:21] <ogra> do you want to provide / as nfs root  ? 
[11:21] <ogra> or do you want to offer a separate chroot ? 
[11:22] <lifeless> brb, gotta reboot.
[12:03] <glatzor> ping Riddell: you want software-properties in kubuntu?
[12:11] <twb> Mithrandir: nag, nag
[12:12] <lifeless> ogra: back
[12:12] <lifeless> ogra: / is the squashfs from the cdrom unioned with a ramdisk