=== Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-179-54.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] has anyone played with the vmware player in feisty? All the fonts are busted, and I can't figure out why. :( === mdeslaur [n=mdeslaur@modemcable090.63-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] keescook, i tried it some (6 probably) weeks ago ... worked flawless back then [12:46] ogra: I'm convinced it's my own fault somehow.. but I don't even know how to debug it. I've tried messing with locale settings, etc. no luck. [12:46] but, it's only the player itself, so I just lick on all the "OK" icons, and I've got my VM running. :) [12:46] i know mvo packaged it in dapper, he probably has an idea or knows someone to point you to [12:46] (heh: breezy VM image update: "210 new updates found") [12:47] ogra: cool, thanks, I'll see if I can catch him tomorrow morning. === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8E7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJoc1 [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa_ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anders__ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] anyone around who knows how to make an initramfs have all modules ? [02:06] it does already.. [02:06] or it used to [02:09] lifeless, initramfs.conf has a variable for that iirc [02:10] (in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf) [02:11] ogra: thanks! [02:12] lifeless, btw, wats planned wih the website of hwdb.ubuntu.com ... its not working at all ... is that wanted by you and mdz or should i try to fix it ? [02:12] i understand that we dont want full access until the data is stripped ... [02:12] but the page used to show some basic info like CPU, RAM and graphcs adapter ... [02:13] ogra: problem is that there is no 'all', just partial solutions :( [02:13] and some people seem to use it [02:13] right ... [02:13] hmm, I'll try comma separated, see if that works... [02:13] but the partial solution suddenly just stopped working from a user POV [02:13] ogra: I'm still talking initramfs sorry [02:14] ah, ok [02:14] ogra: w.r.t. the hwdb I understand cr3 is working on something with a real db [02:15] its not desired to be completely functionless, but until we sort out the privacy aspects, the site cant really work - which is why the data is moved to a different machine, where the ubuntu core folk can login and grep the reports [02:16] ... /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions has the module loading functions it should be easy to modify them to just load all modules ... (i even think the "most" option dos it ) [02:16] ok, understood ... === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] most doesn't :) [02:22] still, net will do, I just need to get the magic invocation to preserve my personal initramfs [02:22] - building a LiveNetBoot [02:25] ah [02:26] well, netboot should be what you want then ... actually LTSP should e what you want [02:26] :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] ogra: ah, but I want to boot the regular livecd, not edubuntu ;) [02:27] ogra: that is, run out of the squashfs etc. So I need casper and so on [02:28] well the initscript of an ltsp client is pretty similar to casper :) [02:28] really, unionfs etc ? === Czubek [n=Damian@bag8.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] because, I have this working except for ethernet detection. Something funky with udev. [02:29] no, unionfs doesnt like nfs ... [02:29] its readonly mounted nfs root where we bind mount the writeable parts to a tmpfs === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] i was using unionfs to join 4 mounted hard drives together to save hunting around one ach one and it died quite often especially when writing [02:30] then run similar scripts to casper that configure X, sound etc ... [02:30] ogra: yeah, the nfs gets mounted readonly to reduce unionfs<->nfs flitches [02:31] well, initially we mounted it readonly out of security reasons ... [02:33] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPFatClients should give you a netbooted workstation ... [02:34] (drop the edubuntu-auth-client parts and just make sure t copy over your servers /etc/passwd to the chroot if you dont want to set up ldap ... [02:34] ) [02:34] (look at the code section at the bottom) [02:34] yah [02:34] oh, and LTSP != edubuntu ;) [02:34] ;) [02:35] ltsp is ubuntu stuff .... [02:35] edubuntu is just the reference implementation where i prove that its possible to have it properly running right away out of the box .... === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] hmm, where is m reciept mail for the upload i did 30 min ago ... === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] ogra: i havent been getting mail from -changes since this morning [02:42] ah, k then i blame LP and wait until tomorrow [02:43] its not urgent anyway ... its just that i'm german .... we're reciept addicts :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] ogra: soyuz probably ate it again [02:49] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue shows it, so i'm fine ... === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] good evening folks, I gotta go make dinner. :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Heya === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] <_ion> From deskbar-applet's changelog.Debian: - Prevents binding of keys a-z and shit-a-z. [03:10] <_ion> :-) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] I wonder if calling udevtrigger from initramfs is very evil, or just mildly evil. === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] ogra: so its working anyhow, just needed to get the net devices detected. [03:32] ogra: what does ltsp use to trigger that? udevtrigger + udevsettle ? [03:33] udev, yes [03:34] i didnt touch that area specifically, it just works :) === dous [n=dous@124.107.249.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A72C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Solarion [n=solarion@cruftix.physics.uiowa.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gumby [n=gumby@unaffiliated/gumby] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-069-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-156-83-157.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] Ubugtu: seen geser [05:03] !seen geser [05:03] yawn === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.79.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] bhale: [15:04] [Notice] -SeenServ- I last saw geser (n=michael@85.25.108.73) 3h 37m 15s ago, quiting: "Leaving" [05:05] bhale, it's ubotu that does the !seen stuff, and it's not meant to be in #-devel. 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[07:50] hi [07:50] so I have implemented a manual version of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD for LCA [07:51] that is, I have a machine which serves out netboot casper with the squashfs from the edgy CD [07:52] everything except ubiquity seems to work ok. ubiquity fails to copy over the running image - it goes straight from 'formatting partition' to 'applying language' [07:52] and languageapply fails because /etc/default is missing [07:52] the latter is a red herring, of course [07:52] ok, so there are several things you need to do [07:52] where should I look to find out what is going on, so I can fix it. the install is rather opaque :( [07:53] firstly, is this edgy? [07:53] oh, yes, it is [07:53] so in edgy, there's a kernel bug which means that you can't just leave the image mounted on /rofs [07:54] which is what ubiquity used to use as a copy source [07:54] hmm, I'm not sure that its being left on /rofs anyway [07:54] instead, you have to teach ubiquity how to mount it for itself; it's in scripts/install.py:mount_source (and umount_source) [07:54] it won't be - we changed that at the 11th hour before release [07:54] oh [07:55] so the install.py mount_source is trying ot mount the cd rather than knowing to go to the NFS share ? [07:55] there are also a few places in scripts/install.py that look for manifests in /cdrom/casper/; you'll have to teach those to look elsewhere [07:55] is the source the squashfs ? [07:55] correct, it has no idea of how to do it over NFS [07:55] I can make the cd be on /cdrom, thats easy [07:56] if you make the CD be on /cdrom, that will save you a fair amount of pissing about [07:56] doing...done [07:56] the kernel bug in question was to do with multiply-mounted squashfses; I don't think your approach will trigger that [07:57] I have 17-10-generic anyhow, is that fixed ? [07:57] that's edgy's kernel. no. [07:58] we had to work around it literally the day before release [07:59] anyway, with a fake /cdrom it should all be happy - let me know if it isn't [07:59] #ubuntu-installer maybe, as it's quieter [07:59] k [07:59] not that this is a riotous place right now ;) [08:01] true, but it will be later :) === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] jdub: craptop just installed via the net thanks to cjwatson's pointer :) [08:17] jdub: 7 minutes end to end [08:19] is there any ETA on edgy w/xen supporting more than one domU >? [08:19] macd: it does now ? [08:20] yes but 2 domUs locks dom0. [08:20] its a known issue, Im wondering if there is a ETA in a fix [08:20] on* [08:20] macd: you want to talk to zul on ubuntu-kernel [08:21] tyvm === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7296F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] good morning [08:49] Whats the e-mail address for rt again? [08:50] rt@admins.c.c [08:50] thanks [08:50] admin.c.c [08:50] sorry [08:54] jdub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD [08:55] this is interesting... [08:55] i need to hit partioner a few times before i can actually use it.. [08:55] try moving the mouse outside the window and back into it [08:56] does that make the button respond more easily ? [08:56] cjwatson: i have a strange bug in d-i.. i would love your help to look at it when you are awake [08:56] lifeless: i am in text mode.. [08:56] fabbione: ! oh [08:56] cjwatson is heading to London [08:56] lifeless: yeah it's ok.. i am not in a hurry [08:56] and i think it happens only in a specific case [08:57] mount /dev/hdc /cdrom [08:57] mount: /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only [08:57] mount: Mounting /dev/hdc on /cdrom failed: Invalid argument [08:58] doh! === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@106.161-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] heya Zdra [09:00] hello :) === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] Good morning [09:09] pitti: could you make all the language-support source packages contain a full copy of the GPL, please? [09:09] the packaging there is licenced under the GPL, but they don't contain a copy of it, which they should. [09:10] also, good morning. :-) [09:10] hi Mithrandir [09:11] Mithrandir: why do they need a full copy, when a pointer to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL suffices for all other packages? [09:11] oh, *source* [09:12] Mithrandir: sure, will do [09:12] yes, source package. The binaries are fine. === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@h062040154038.bad.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.249.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] Mithrandir: committed to langpack-o-matic; thanks! [09:15] pitti: cheers. === pitti uploads some new support packages === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@167.Red-88-0-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59_ [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-8a9b2c28cb2e627f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@LPuteaux-151-41-32-62.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65E07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-6b567d277dfa9f50] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Riddell: do you plan to upload a new amarok and/or new qt3/4 soon? [10:27] Riddell: I need to do some rebuilds for libpq4 -> libpq5 transition === dholbach hugs pitti === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967A40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] pitti: can you hold those until after herd-2 is out? [10:34] Mithrandir: hm, already uploaded the first one... [10:34] (cyrus-sasl2, shoulnd't be on the CD) [10:34] pitti: ok, please leave it at that, then? [10:34] Mithrandir: sure, I can stall them [10:34] thanks. [10:35] Mithrandir: when is h2 planned? [10:35] thursday. === Mithrandir points pitti to the release schedule. :-P [10:35] Mithrandir: please could you sync ttf-dejavu before h2? === pitti admits being lazy [10:35] in two days :) [10:36] doko: sure, that should be possible. === Keybuk [n=scott@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] ... well, it *almost* resumed from suspend === StevenK_ [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-78-192.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-82-17.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir wonders a bit about libflashsupport. [11:12] Keybuk: hey, with udev, in initramfs, whats the voodoo to say 'please find network cards for me' [11:12] Keybuk: I'm looking for a smaller hammer than 'sbin/udevtrigger && sbin/udevsettle' === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] lifeless: which release? [11:26] Keybuk: edgy [11:26] udevtrigger -Cnet doesn't seem to find them, which was my first attempt === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] lifeless: no, that'd only bring up network interfaces that already existed === ubijtsa2 [i=ubijtsa@nat/redhat/x-16b605315fa9b67c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] udevtrigger -bpci -Iclass=0x06* === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] Keybuk: thanks! === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [11:33] Keybuk: do I need a settle still ? [11:33] personally I'd just run "udevtrigger" without any arguments [11:33] it only takes a nanosecond or two [11:33] assuming udevd is running, the interface turns up [11:34] oh, I'm tunning without args at the moment already [11:34] if its ok to do so, then I'll just leave it as is [11:34] yeah [11:34] If my sound card mixer has weird labels.. is that a kernel bug or an alsa bug? [11:35] (weird = incorrect, actually) [11:37] yes [11:37] Keybuk: *sigh*.. which one is it? [11:37] well, technically it's an alsa [11:38] but it may the alsa driver, which is in the kernel [11:38] as apposed to the alsa userland [11:41] lifeless: cool! === jdub hugs Keybuk === ubijtsa2 [i=ubijtsa@nat/redhat/x-2f8e7452eeb138d5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] jdub: extremely. 7 minute noodles === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] ta === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] gar, silly window manager === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach hugs thom [11:56] hey hey. happy new year! [11:56] to you too! :-) === dholbach hugs thom ecstatically [11:58] hey thom, happy new year === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] hey seb! === StevenK waves to thom === StevenK watches the English cricket team fail to cover themselves in glory in the Twenty20 match. === thom is sadly not shocked [12:04] Heh === fabbione fixes yet another parted breakage === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] hey all [12:21] does anybody recall the name of the program that indexes your chunks of codes and can then provde answer to questions like "which class implements this interface" etc? === sivang can't recall the package name [12:22] ctags? === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] StevenK: does it work on python too? [12:25] night all [12:25] sivang: etags works on python [12:25] lifeless: cool dude, thank you [12:25] sleep well lifeless === sivang hugs pitti [12:25] exuberant-ctags does, yes [12:25] hi sivang! [12:27] hey pitti , how you doing? === sivang scratches head trying to figure etags pakcage name [12:27] sivang: I'm great, how are you? === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] pitti: fine as well. === pitti uploads a new hal, closes nine bugs manually and yearns for changelog-closes-bugs === Zdra_ [n=zdra@254.185-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 hugs pitti for the bug fixing ;) [12:31] seb128: I felt it's time to start attacking my pile of 40 'in progress' bugs :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] pitti: :) [12:34] brb [12:36] in case any archoive admin is fancy doing some NEW reviews, i'd appreciate a look at edsadmin and libflashsupport (the latter for multiverse because of the adobe license) [12:38] * Mithrandir wonders a bit about libflashsupport. [12:38] ogra: ^ [12:38] Mithrandir, why ? [12:38] its the connection layer between older sound systems and flash9 === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] needed for things like esd and pulseaudio ... === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] which in turn are used in ltsp ... [12:40] ogra: new gnome-screensaver for you [12:40] oh, finally [12:40] seb128, thanks === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-27-209.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] ogra: wondering where to put it, mostly. And I'm not sure it's possible to distribute at all, since it links with openssl and lgpl-ed libs which in turn link to gpl-ed libs. [12:56] Eeek, that's a mess. [12:56] StevenK: it's flash, what do you expect? [12:56] Yeah, well. :-) === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] ogra: which older sound systems do you plan to support wrt Flash 9? (I'm not entirely convinced libflashsupport is necessary for alsa [see recent alsa-utils changes for asoundconf to support pulseaudio in an asoundrc] -- or is alsa just one in many players?) === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] ogra: what's the status wrt edubuntu-server? It's uninstallable. === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti -> lunch, bbl [01:08] Mithrandir, i'm waiting for info on schooltool ... worst case i'll take it out of the seeds temporary for herd2 [01:09] crimsun, ltsp uses esd (breezy/dapper/edgy) and pulseaudio (feisty ...) i need the soundserver support there [01:10] plain alsa wont help ... [01:10] ogra: "waiting for info", as in? [01:11] when will it work with the new zope === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martii [i=martii@obgyn.edu.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:11] according to doko a simple rebuild isnt enough ... [01:12] (rebuild with new deps) [01:12] ogra, it works with it now, AFAIK. There just isn't a release. [01:12] Fujitsu, right, so i'm waiting for a release ... [01:12] Fujitsu: schooltool works with zope3.3??? === did447 [n=didier@LPuteaux-151-41-32-62.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] doko, I'm fairly sure it works with the latest. [01:14] ogra: Understood for pre-Feisty. Which pulseaudio packages are you using for Flash9? I don't need any additional libflashsupport in Feisty for pulseaudio and alsa. [01:14] Fujitsu: did you look at the debian reports? [01:15] crimsun, the problem are the users that dist-upgrade their system but not their ltsp chroot, they will still have the esd client side ... [01:16] ogra: ah, and no plans to migrate them to pulseaudio, I presume? [01:16] crimsun, migration without upgrade ? [01:16] right [01:16] (I understand now) [01:17] if they dont touch their ltsp "because it works" ... [01:18] pulse should be able to implement the code libflashsupport has directly ... libflashsupport is only an API layer inbetween [01:18] (if its needed at all for pulse) [01:19] libflashsupport isn't at all needed for flash9 and pulse; the alsa-lib pulse plugin routes that [01:20] (the alsa-lib pulse plugin is in 'libasound2-plugins', which unfortunately is in universe) === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.218.230.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] mneptok, i'm packaging the latest gnome-screensaver and want to apply your patch, why did you use the slieshow screensaver instead of the floaters one ? [01:36] *slideshow [01:37] ogra: does pulseaudio work for you with the 2.6.20 kernels? === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] slomo, yes, apart from a small glitch with the flash packkage we need to fix it works fine for me [01:38] (flash still creates /tmp/.esd/socket, that makes pulse not start the esd module) [01:38] ogra: hmm... it doesn't work on any of my machines with .20 but works with .19... all device detection methods return no card with .20 although alsa and oss work :/ [01:39] er, ohg, wait a sec [01:39] slomo_: that's the hal module issue, no? [01:39] i'm still using .19 ... ignore me ... [01:40] crimsun: which hal module issue? :) [01:40] slomo_: /etc/pulse/default.pa's "load-module module-hal-detect" [01:40] pitti: I have no plans for amarok or qt uploads [01:40] I can't use that; I have to comment that out (and the if block) and use "load-module module-detect" instead [01:41] crimsun: hm works... i wonder what broke hal from .19 to .20 :/ thanks [01:42] np [01:42] seb128,dholbach: you'll tell me when your gnome uploads are done so I can spin cds? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main frozen for Herd 2 [01:49] Mithrandir, time to promote mbr (if you didnt already) [01:49] mvo: can you please do a g-a-i desktop database update? [01:49] ogra: done hours ago [01:49] oki === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] Mithrandir, edsadmin rejected ? do we have our "bad licenses day" today ? :/ === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] ogra: yeah, I think we're at about 5:1 of rejects:accepts for the archive lately. [01:52] Mithrandir: ouch! [01:52] i hate licenses [01:52] ogra: everything pd! [01:52] Hobbsee: yeah, especially for me who get to review the packages again and again until they're good. [01:52] ogra: are you already working on the gnome-screensaver update? [01:52] Mithrandir: indeed. [01:53] seb128, yeps [01:53] Mithrandir: ok, most of it is done, only a bunch to do [01:53] seb128, why ? anything i should add ? [01:53] ogra: no, just trying to get 2.17.5 for herd-2 and that's one of the remaining packages to update ;) [01:53] Hobbsee: also fun stuff like the flash support library probably being undistributable due to linking with openssl and indirectly with GPL-ed libs. [01:53] Treenaks, lets just drop licensing altogether ... [01:53] Mithrandir: ugh [01:54] as long as people stay with standard licences like the GPL or BSD/MIT/X11, things are fine, but not so much when there's no COPYING in the orig.tar.gz, etc. [01:55] Mithrandir, i have no clue if or how it works without ssl ... but i'll try to drop the dep ... if that doesnt work it doesnt work... [01:56] or do you think linking it against libesd and libpulse will also be illegal ? [01:58] the licence looks GPL-compatible, but I think I'll run it past elmo, who has way more experience than I. [01:58] mvo: have you had any luck with 75882? [01:58] Mithrandir: (I'm aware that main's frozen) Are my uploads (scorch3d and teg) failing in soyuz? [01:58] scorched3d, even [01:59] crimsun: they're probably ending up in unapproved, but I just approve stuff going to universe. [02:00] but yeah, they failed. If you actually signed them, I can reprocess them [02:00] I did. Twice for each. [02:00] (meaning I've reuploaded each) [02:01] crimsun: hmm [02:01] let's see if it works this time around, if not, I'll prod cprov [02:02] upload again? [02:02] nah, I moved them [02:02] ok, thanks! [02:02] as in, moved them back to incoming === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@LPuteaux-151-41-32-62.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7593.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdahlin [i=jdahlin@c-0397e355.207-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] Mithrandir: did you already approve the new liboobs? if not maybe wait [02:25] seb128: no, I haven't [02:25] ok, wait then [02:25] wait or reject? [02:25] wait [02:25] ok [02:25] new g-s-t has UI changes to time-admin [02:25] and I'm wondering if that could be a problem for ubiquity [02:26] maybe would be better to get after herd-2 [02:26] ah, ok. [02:26] cjwatson: does ubiquity cares about time-admin changes? [02:26] so I should hold g-s-t back, too? [02:26] Mithrandir: I've not uploaded that one yet [02:27] liboobs has a soname change anyway [02:27] so it shouldn't break current g-s-t even if accepted [02:27] I always read liboobs as lib-boobs, I'm sure it's deliberate. [02:28] and I go "huh?" every time too. === StevenK plants a "Male" sticker on Mithrandir's forehead [02:28] Heya, I have a problem booting from an edgy cd. It fails during the unpacking of the initrd image. Any clues? [02:28] Mithrandir: yeah :) === xerxas_ [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-35-224.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] hey jdahlin [02:28] It's an offical cd, eg pressed, not burned [02:28] bonjour seb128 [02:29] jdahlin: happy new year [02:29] jdahlin: dunno about the CD question [02:29] seb128, happy new year too [02:29] seb128, okay === jdahlin pokes cjwatson and Keybuk [02:30] jdahlin: we're somewhat busy today - what's up? [02:30] Keybuk, I'm unable to boot the official edgy cd, something happens when the initrd image is unpacked [02:31] okay, just wanted to know if there are any known workarounds [02:31] not without further information on what the problem is [02:31] "doesn't boot" is a little vague [02:31] have you performed a CD check? [02:32] no, I assumed the pressed CD was okay. But I'll do that [02:32] doko: ++(syncing from etch until feature freeze) [02:32] from the sound of it, it could be boot-loader related; Mithrandir may be able to help [02:33] jdahlin: what error do you get? [02:33] extracting initrd.gz from the CD directly seems to work [02:33] also, what kind of machine/cpu/motherboard? [02:33] Mithrandir, let me reboot and test [02:34] Mithrandir, intel something / celeron 400 [02:34] ok [02:34] you could try removing quiet and splash from the kernel command line to see if that helps [02:34] thanks, that'll probably show a bit more === ogra ponders to buy a dedicated dual opteron with 4gig of ram for evolution, so he can actually do some work again ... === _erik_ [n=erik@cable-hvk-fe7dde00-194.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] ogra: it's not that bad [02:36] is it? [02:36] currently it is [02:36] evolution works fine on my desktop [02:36] I'm wondering if I'm just being lucky with it :p [02:36] seb128: yay for latest evo not crashing any more in todo list :) [02:36] it works fine on my laptop too [02:36] pitti: ah, I didn't notice, thank you for pointing it ;) [02:36] my inbox has ~22000 mails and i recieve 120 mails since 2h ... filtering takes ages with imap and tls === pitti can tick TODO items again without vi'ing ~/.evolution stuff [02:37] ogra: 22000 mails in one mailbox are a PITA with every program, even mutt === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] and i still didnt find the time to set up offlineimap [02:37] pitti, thats only my inbox [02:37] ogra: I can give you a quick walkthrough on offlineimap if you wnat === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:38] my ubuntu-users mailbox is bigger :P [02:38] s/mailbox/folder/ === pitti proposes a trade: pitti->ogra: offlineimap, ogra->pitti: answers to some hwdb questions [02:38] heh, ok === jdahlin [n=jdahlin@c-0397e355.207-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@209.190.9.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] Mithrandir, the error I get is "isolinux: Disk Error 80, AX = 4200, drive 9F" [02:40] I can also add that it's not possible to do the media check because of the same error [02:41] jdahlin: it looks a lot like a dirty CD-ROM drive. [02:41] jdahlin: can you try with another? [02:42] Mithrandir, sure. but it seems to work fine under windows [02:42] jdahlin: afaik, isolinux isn't very heavy on the error recovery. [02:42] jdahlin: it's a first shot at least. [02:42] jdahlin: you can also try booting while holding down shift, that should put isolinux into safe-mode. [02:42] Riddell: can you start testing your live images? I'll spin you alternate ones now that mbr is in main. === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] Mithrandir: already testing [02:43] Riddell: great. :-) [02:44] Riddell: I'm spinning new alternate CDs for you now so you get the ones with mbr on them. [02:45] Mithrandir: do you need xubuntu testers for 20070109? [02:45] crimsun: yeah, testing of -live for xubuntu would be good. [02:46] on it [02:46] I'll spin alternate as soon as the kubuntu ones are done === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] Mithrandir: 75882 should be fixed in feisty, but I haven't investigated why it will reinstall the packages later again === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] hi there [02:56] is there any option I can use with preseeding to specify additional options for grub? [02:57] I'm lookint at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html , Boot loader installation section [02:57] but cant see anything useful [02:57] what I want to is to add "console=ttyS1,57600" - that's all I need [02:57] I can do it postinstall before rebooting with sed obviously, but was wondering if there was a better way within preseeding === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm174.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] hi zul [03:02] hi pitt how is it going? [03:03] pretty well, thanks! === jdahlin [n=jdahlin@c-0397e355.207-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] Mithrandir, I get an identical error with another CD drive. [03:09] jdahlin: hmm, ok. You've tried booting while holding shift down too? [03:10] Mithrandir, yes, that didn't help much either [03:11] jdahlin: then I'm not sure. :-( [03:12] Mithrandir, I'll do some googling. It could be a very broken BIOS === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cormil [n=cormil72@213.215.131.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] Riddell: alternate done [03:19] cjwatson: seems like qt4 ubiquity has a couple of crashes in it still. I'm stuck on one of them.. [03:19]