| mpt | And putting clauses on separate lines means future rewordings will have easier-to-read diffs. | 12:18 |
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| mdke | yes, it's particularly helpful for that | 12:18 |
| mdke | oh crap | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that doesn't sound good | 12:23 |
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| bdmurray | w/in 4 | 12:54 |
| nixternal | no | 12:54 |
| nixternal | within for, or /window 4 :) | 12:54 |
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| bdmurray | gah, nobody was supposed to notice | 12:58 |
| mdke | :) | 12:58 |
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| mdke | mpt: I've uploaded some changes to newtoubuntu.xml, hopefully it looks (somewhat) sane now. I've added proper links to the gnome upstream documents so you can see where they go; I've made "Customise your computer" and "Keep your computer safe" topics and moved some things into it. Comments show the serious issues remaining :) | 01:04 |
| mdke | LaserJock: ubuntu-docs has a Recommends: yelp, if we move that to Depends, should the "Recommends:" line remain, but blank, or should I remove it entirely? | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | remove it | 01:13 |
| mdke | LaserJock: thanks | 01:13 |
| mdke | LaserJock: your views on the policy? yelp is the only viewer that can read our docs | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | I don't think it hurts | 01:17 |
| mdke | LaserJock: btw how can I get it so that debuild uses my secret key? I always get errors when building because of that. | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | technically you could convert the xml to HTML and view it that way | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | mdke: add DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL to ~/.bashrc | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | and make sure they are the same as what it's in your gpg key and changelog entries | 01:18 |
| mpt | mdke, awesome, I'll have another look tomorrow | 01:18 |
| mpt | Tonight I'll concentrate on Mallard | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | mdke: what about the server guide though, WRT yelp? | 01:20 |
| mdke | mpt: sure. | 01:22 |
| mdke | LaserJock: what do you mean? | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | mdke: bah, I guess TBH messes that all up anyway :/ | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | I was just thinking if somebody wants to read the Server Guide on their server they don't want to have to get yelp | 01:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock: we're planning a server topic in Yelp. | 01:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock: we only ship xml, how would they read it? | 01:23 |
| mdke | I discussed with bhuvan the possibility of shipping a separate serverguide, as a standalone document | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | well, we *had* talked about converting to HTML or info pages | 01:24 |
| mdke | we can do that | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | I think it could be online even (servers should have internet access for the most part) | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | anyway, TBH kinda blows away the server guide argument for keeping yelp Recommends: | 01:25 |
| dsas | Why would anyone access online docs using a server when they're probably accessing the server via ssh and a desktop? | 01:28 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: or debuild -S -sa -k<keynum> | 01:28 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: but that's horrible to have to do every time :-) | 01:29 |
| nixternal | or in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf add your key as default :) | 01:29 |
| nixternal | not if you script it like i do :) | 01:29 |
| nixternal | nixbuild *.dsc | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: well, I don't have any problems with it so ... | 01:29 |
| nixternal | err | 01:29 |
| nixternal | that is my pbuildone | 01:29 |
| nixternal | argh | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | dsas: I suppose | 01:29 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: i don't anymore either :) | 01:30 |
| nixternal | server docs should be in info or man page layout imho | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | dsas: I suppose server setup might be done at the machine | 01:30 |
| mdke | nixternal: oh, i wonder if my key isn't default | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: well, dsas's argument is a good one | 01:30 |
| nixternal | wouldn't they use the desktop to access the online docs? | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's the point | 01:31 |
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| LaserJock | so why have man or info docs | 01:31 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 01:31 |
| mdke | if we ship a standalone serverguide, we can ship it in man and HTML | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | that makes sense | 01:32 |
| nixternal | well, you would have them LaserJock if you were setting up a server in a remote close away from such "*net" access | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | maybe s/man/info/ | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: but I wonder if the serverguide will be much good to you then | 01:32 |
| nixternal | mdke: if we do it in html then we would have to have an cli html client installed by default, which I don't know if there is one by default | 01:32 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: it wouldn't :) | 01:32 |
| mdke | eh? | 01:32 |
| nixternal | especially if you didn't knwo it was there | 01:33 |
| mdke | isn't there a cli html client installed in the default server install? That would be rubbish if there isn;t | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm pretty sure w3m or lynx is | 01:33 |
| nixternal | mdke: i always install lynx after i setup a server | 01:33 |
| nixternal | lynx isn't | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 01:33 |
| mdke | or alternatively, if the standalone serverguide wasn't installed by default, it would depend on a browser, that's no issue | 01:33 |
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| nixternal | w3m is installed | 01:34 |
| nixternal | but it stinks! | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | w3m rocks | 01:34 |
| mdke | stop whinging | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | w3m kicks lynx's butt anyday ;-) | 01:34 |
| mdke | LaserJock: bashrc still not working | 01:34 |
| nixternal | w3m is confusing | 01:34 |
| mdke | gpg: skipped "Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com>": secret key not available | 01:34 |
| mdke | gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available | 01:34 |
| mdke | debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | mdke: do you use seahorse? | 01:35 |
| mdke | yes | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | or other gpg agent | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | ah, there's your problem | 01:35 |
| nixternal | i forgot gnome uses seahorse, sorry | 01:35 |
| mdke | is there a bug? | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | yep | 01:35 |
| nixternal | ya, seahorse is dookie, as well as kgpg. it is better to edit keys by hand in cli | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | I don't use seahorse or any gpg-agent so I'm fine | 01:35 |
| mdke | seahorse is great | 01:35 |
| mdke | I never have to enter any passwords for anything | 01:36 |
| nixternal | i use gnupg-agent and pinentry-qt for KMail and packaging | 01:36 |
| nixternal | it is quite nice | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | well, it's just that dbuild doesn't work with them | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | anyway | 01:36 |
| mdke | maybe they will fix it | 01:36 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: isn't there an env you can set for dbuild that will use the key?? | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | mdke: can you use debuild -k<emailinkey> | 01:36 |
| mdke | dunno. I'm not going to worry about it | 01:37 |
| mdke | time for sleepies! | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL do the trick for me | 01:37 |
| nixternal | g'nite Mr. East | 01:37 |
| nixternal | </james bond voice> | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think perhaps standalone server guide and packaging guide might be nice | 01:37 |
| nixternal | hmm, i only have debemail in mine | 01:37 |
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| nixternal | actually, debemail will do that trick on its own | 01:38 |
| nixternal | it calls the email which is tied to my key | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | well, it could be debemail is sufficient | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | I just do wha tthe docs tell me :-) | 01:38 |
| nixternal | it must be, thats all i have in basrc | 01:38 |
| nixternal | .bashrc that is | 01:38 |
| nixternal | i usually do as well, but somehow didn't do the debfullname this time around | 01:38 |
| dsas | I always have the same problem mdke has, gpg-agent never works either. | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | dsas: with your key not working when running debuild? | 01:41 |
| dsas | LaserJock: yeah | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | there is a setting in the gnupg.conf that you can set to turn of the gpg-agent stuff | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | that'll fix it | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | but you also loose gpg-agenting | 01:42 |
| dsas | which also never works :) | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | there you go ;-) | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | honestly, I've never had a problem with debuild and gpg | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | but many people do | 01:43 |
| dsas | I've got used to typing my passphrase now anyway, I've turned off gpg-agent and I'll just wait and see what happens next time I attempt to build something | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I always type my passphrase | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | but the only thing I use it for is packaging | 01:44 |
| mpt | goodnight mdke | 01:45 |
| mdke | nuit | 01:46 |
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| highvoltage | !seen Burgandavia | 01:37 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #78570 in ubuntu-docs (main) "dvd decryption with /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh is deprecated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78570 | 03:21 |
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| jenda | mdke: thanks for that fix ;) | 10:43 |
| mdke | jenda: yw | 10:43 |
| mdke | jenda: thanks for spoon feeding them to me | 10:43 |
| jenda | hehe | 10:44 |
| jenda | happy to help. | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | did I every tell you guys I dislike doc licensing :-) | 10:56 |
| mdke | just grin and bear it, it'll be over soon | 10:56 |
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| LaserJock | I think wiki.u.c almost has to be Public Domain-ish | 11:00 |
| mdke | can't see that one happening | 11:01 |
| mdke | then Microsoft would use all our ideas! | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | heh | 11:01 |
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| LaserJock | \o/ | 11:02 |
| dsas | time to pop the champagne? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I poped a Dr. Pepper | 11:02 |
| mdke | hardest fought spec EVAR award | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | popped, I think | 11:02 |
| === nixternal is drinking a DP now :) | ||
| === nixternal toasts to mdke and the rest of the crowd | ||
| nixternal | even though I am a FDL lovah | 11:04 |
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| nixternal | LaserJock: they read my Rosey vs. the Donald email on Fox :) | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | me? no | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | oh, "they" sorry | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | awesome dude | 11:31 |
| nixternal | john gibson is an idiot | 11:31 |
| nixternal | although he did enjoy my "congressional degenerates" comment | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | dude, send me the email | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | hmm, ubuntuguide in farsi | 11:35 |
| nixternal | hehe, k | 11:36 |
| nixternal | sent | 11:38 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: nice and inflamitory, I like it ;-) | 11:50 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:50 |
| nixternal | im going to email greda tonight as she is hyping it as well | 11:50 |
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| LaserJock | bah, I can't stand watching greda most of the time | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | thank goodness I don't have cable | 11:51 |
| mpt | What's the hardest fought spec EVAR? | 12:03 |
| mdke | mpt: WikiLicensing | 12:03 |
| mdke | 15 months, approved, hi five | 12:03 |
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