[12:18] And putting clauses on separate lines means future rewordings will have easier-to-read diffs. [12:18] yes, it's particularly helpful for that [12:23] oh crap [12:23] hmm, that doesn't sound good === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [12:54] w/in 4 [12:54] no [12:54] within for, or /window 4 :) === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJoc1 [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:58] gah, nobody was supposed to notice [12:58] :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:04] mpt: I've uploaded some changes to newtoubuntu.xml, hopefully it looks (somewhat) sane now. I've added proper links to the gnome upstream documents so you can see where they go; I've made "Customise your computer" and "Keep your computer safe" topics and moved some things into it. Comments show the serious issues remaining :) [01:06] LaserJock: ubuntu-docs has a Recommends: yelp, if we move that to Depends, should the "Recommends:" line remain, but blank, or should I remove it entirely? [01:13] remove it [01:13] LaserJock: thanks [01:14] LaserJock: your views on the policy? yelp is the only viewer that can read our docs [01:17] I don't think it hurts [01:17] LaserJock: btw how can I get it so that debuild uses my secret key? I always get errors when building because of that. [01:17] technically you could convert the xml to HTML and view it that way [01:17] mdke: add DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL to ~/.bashrc [01:18] and make sure they are the same as what it's in your gpg key and changelog entries [01:18] mdke, awesome, I'll have another look tomorrow [01:18] Tonight I'll concentrate on Mallard [01:20] mdke: what about the server guide though, WRT yelp? [01:22] mpt: sure. [01:22] LaserJock: what do you mean? [01:23] mdke: bah, I guess TBH messes that all up anyway :/ [01:23] I was just thinking if somebody wants to read the Server Guide on their server they don't want to have to get yelp [01:23] LaserJock: we're planning a server topic in Yelp. [01:23] LaserJock: we only ship xml, how would they read it? [01:24] I discussed with bhuvan the possibility of shipping a separate serverguide, as a standalone document [01:24] well, we *had* talked about converting to HTML or info pages [01:24] we can do that [01:25] I think it could be online even (servers should have internet access for the most part) [01:25] anyway, TBH kinda blows away the server guide argument for keeping yelp Recommends: [01:28] Why would anyone access online docs using a server when they're probably accessing the server via ssh and a desktop? [01:28] LaserJock: or debuild -S -sa -k === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [01:29] nixternal: but that's horrible to have to do every time :-) [01:29] or in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf add your key as default :) [01:29] not if you script it like i do :) [01:29] nixbuild *.dsc [01:29] nixternal: well, I don't have any problems with it so ... [01:29] err [01:29] that is my pbuildone [01:29] argh [01:29] dsas: I suppose [01:30] LaserJock: i don't anymore either :) [01:30] server docs should be in info or man page layout imho [01:30] dsas: I suppose server setup might be done at the machine [01:30] nixternal: oh, i wonder if my key isn't default [01:30] nixternal: well, dsas's argument is a good one [01:31] wouldn't they use the desktop to access the online docs? [01:31] yeah, that's the point === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:31] so why have man or info docs [01:31] ahhh [01:32] if we ship a standalone serverguide, we can ship it in man and HTML [01:32] yeah [01:32] that makes sense [01:32] well, you would have them LaserJock if you were setting up a server in a remote close away from such "*net" access [01:32] maybe s/man/info/ [01:32] nixternal: but I wonder if the serverguide will be much good to you then [01:32] mdke: if we do it in html then we would have to have an cli html client installed by default, which I don't know if there is one by default [01:32] LaserJock: it wouldn't :) [01:32] eh? [01:33] especially if you didn't knwo it was there [01:33] isn't there a cli html client installed in the default server install? That would be rubbish if there isn;t [01:33] I'm pretty sure w3m or lynx is [01:33] mdke: i always install lynx after i setup a server [01:33] lynx isn't [01:33] hmm [01:33] or alternatively, if the standalone serverguide wasn't installed by default, it would depend on a browser, that's no issue === nixternal checks his box for w3m [01:34] w3m is installed [01:34] but it stinks! [01:34] w3m rocks [01:34] stop whinging [01:34] w3m kicks lynx's butt anyday ;-) [01:34] LaserJock: bashrc still not working [01:34] w3m is confusing [01:34] gpg: skipped "Matthew East ": secret key not available [01:34] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available [01:34] debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... [01:35] mdke: do you use seahorse? [01:35] yes [01:35] or other gpg agent [01:35] ah, there's your problem [01:35] i forgot gnome uses seahorse, sorry [01:35] is there a bug? [01:35] yep [01:35] ya, seahorse is dookie, as well as kgpg. it is better to edit keys by hand in cli [01:35] I don't use seahorse or any gpg-agent so I'm fine [01:35] seahorse is great [01:36] I never have to enter any passwords for anything [01:36] i use gnupg-agent and pinentry-qt for KMail and packaging [01:36] it is quite nice [01:36] well, it's just that dbuild doesn't work with them [01:36] anyway [01:36] maybe they will fix it [01:36] LaserJock: isn't there an env you can set for dbuild that will use the key?? [01:36] mdke: can you use debuild -k [01:37] dunno. I'm not going to worry about it [01:37] time for sleepies! [01:37] nixternal: DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL do the trick for me [01:37] g'nite Mr. East [01:37] [01:37] mdke: I think perhaps standalone server guide and packaging guide might be nice [01:37] hmm, i only have debemail in mine === nixternal exports debfullname [01:38] actually, debemail will do that trick on its own [01:38] it calls the email which is tied to my key [01:38] well, it could be debemail is sufficient [01:38] I just do wha tthe docs tell me :-) [01:38] it must be, thats all i have in basrc [01:38] .bashrc that is [01:38] i usually do as well, but somehow didn't do the debfullname this time around [01:40] I always have the same problem mdke has, gpg-agent never works either. [01:41] dsas: with your key not working when running debuild? [01:41] LaserJock: yeah [01:42] there is a setting in the gnupg.conf that you can set to turn of the gpg-agent stuff [01:42] that'll fix it [01:42] but you also loose gpg-agenting [01:43] which also never works :) [01:43] there you go ;-) [01:43] honestly, I've never had a problem with debuild and gpg [01:43] but many people do [01:44] I've got used to typing my passphrase now anyway, I've turned off gpg-agent and I'll just wait and see what happens next time I attempt to build something [01:44] yeah, I always type my passphrase [01:44] but the only thing I use it for is packaging [01:45] goodnight mdke [01:46] nuit === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xabbott [n=xabbott@c-24-129-86-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined 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[10:56] did I every tell you guys I dislike doc licensing :-) [10:56] just grin and bear it, it'll be over soon === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [11:00] I think wiki.u.c almost has to be Public Domain-ish [11:01] can't see that one happening [11:01] then Microsoft would use all our ideas! [11:01] heh === motin [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:02] \o/ [11:02] time to pop the champagne? [11:02] hmm, I poped a Dr. Pepper [11:02] hardest fought spec EVAR award [11:02] popped, I think === nixternal is drinking a DP now :) === nixternal toasts to mdke and the rest of the crowd [11:04] even though I am a FDL lovah === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:29] LaserJock: they read my Rosey vs. the Donald email on Fox :) [11:31] me? no [11:31] oh, "they" sorry [11:31] awesome dude [11:31] john gibson is an idiot [11:31] although he did enjoy my "congressional degenerates" comment [11:33] :-) [11:33] dude, send me the email [11:35] hmm, ubuntuguide in farsi [11:36] hehe, k [11:38] sent === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:50] nixternal: nice and inflamitory, I like it ;-) [11:50] hehe [11:50] im going to email greda tonight as she is hyping it as well === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:51] bah, I can't stand watching greda most of the time [11:51] thank goodness I don't have cable [12:03] What's the hardest fought spec EVAR? [12:03] mpt: WikiLicensing [12:03] 15 months, approved, hi five