[01:21] <Commander-Crowe> !beryl
[01:21] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:39] <vidd_laptop> wb magic_ninja
[01:39] <magic_ninja> whats up
[01:39] <magic_ninja> playin some cs source and fighting with gf
[01:40] <Commander-Crowe> !build-essentail
[01:40] <magic_ninja> finally got steam working, but its in directx rendering and i needa figure out how to get it into software rendering
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about build-essentail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <Commander-Crowe> !build-essential
[01:40] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:42] <somerville32> !investigate > Commander-Crowe
[01:44] <magic_ninja> !investigate > somerville32
[01:44] <magic_ninja> lol
[01:44] <somerville32> Please don't abuse the bot.
[01:44] <magic_ninja> whats that do anyway?\
[01:45] <somerville32> !investigate > magic_ninja
[01:45] <magic_ninja> i was actually seeing what it did, but i didn't get anything
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> !investigate > vidd_laptop
[01:45] <kalikiana> so what does it do?
 To send answers to yourself, please use /msg instead of spamming the channel
 vidd_laptop wants you to know: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:47] <magic_ninja> ohh, i get it, its like getting the bot to PM you so you can figure out problems and such
[01:47] <magic_ninja> thats pretty nifty
[01:47] <somerville32> :)
[01:47] <kalikiana> (:
[01:47] <magic_ninja> see somerville32 aren't ya glad you got me around to help ya out
[01:48] <somerville32> :D
[01:48] <kalikiana> 
[01:48] <magic_ninja> man women...what do ya do?
[01:48] <magic_ninja> i wonder if there is an xchat plugin for smilies, there should be
[01:49] <kalikiana> I just remembered somone actually use a  (shi) as a smilie.
[01:49] <magic_ninja> are you from asia or something/
[01:49] <magic_ninja> germany?
[01:50] <Commander-Crowe> somerville32, whats investigate?
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana, you a she?
[01:50] <somerville32> Commander-Crowe, If you msg ubotu, you can pull up the factoids instead of paging them to the channel here :)
[01:50] <magic_ninja> hmm...i'm having problems getting opengl to work with css anyone got any ideas, perhaps I should call valve tech support...i wonder if they would even be able to help
[01:50] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[01:50] <kalikiana> I'm from Germany, not Asia. And I'm male. :)
[01:52] <kalikiana> Many people in IRC assume the trailing 'a' to indicate feminine.
[01:53] <somerville32> lol
[01:53] <kalikiana> *g
[01:53] <somerville32> Anyhows...
[01:53] <somerville32> :] 
[01:53] <somerville32> So, who is on Edgy?
[01:54] <magic_ninja> me
[01:55] <magic_ninja> i didn't upgrade to fiesty yet, i have had alot of people tell me its kinda unstable like adema
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> somerville32, you still on feisty?
[01:55] <somerville32> Yup
[01:56] <somerville32> Hey. I have an idea. Lets all go visit #xubuntu-offtopic and talk about what we'd like to see in Feisty, ok? I'll listen to all your ideas :)
[01:56] <kalikiana> He's *still* on feisty? *g
[01:56] <somerville32> vidd_laptop, nah, I've upgraded giddy goat already (7.10)
[01:57] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: no sir you didn't
[01:57] <magic_ninja> i got an old 500mhz laptop i think ima do a lfs, would you guys say its helpful for learning?
[01:58] <SmoothOp> yeah
[01:58] <magic_ninja> i want to be a network admin, preferably a linux network admin, and a good one at that
[01:58] <SmoothOp> oh
[01:58] <magic_ninja> so i figure lfs would help alot
[02:01] <magic_ninja> ohh well i'm off to play some css, but i was wondering how i can renice it so it will run at like -15 or so?
[02:13] <Commander-Crowe> how do I stop iptables?
[02:13] <Commander-Crowe> services iptables stop doesn't work
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> load firestarter
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> it is a firewall program
[02:15] <Commander-Crowe> this is non-gui
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> =[
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> wb Crazy_Man
[02:24] <magic_ninja> i think i'm going to upgrade to fiesty
[02:24] <magic_ninja> you guys got any ideas/reccomendations/concerns?
[02:24] <vidd_laptop> back up your system
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> oh! and pray!
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:28] <magic_ninja> perhaps just a backports repo
[02:29] <MagicFab> magic_ninja, upgrading is risky / uses lots of bandwidth at this time - feisty only has one beta out. You will be updating a lot everyday
[02:29] <MagicFab> why dont you try it within a virtual machine ?
[02:29] <magic_ninja> good idea
[02:29] <MagicFab> you know how to use qemu ?
[02:29] <magic_ninja> actually thinking backport, i just want the .9 nvidia drivers
[02:30] <magic_ninja> and i have no problem installing them from nvidia's website
[02:30] <magic_ninja> in the mean time ima go play some choppy css
[02:31] <magic_ninja> have fun guys, MagicFab thank you for the advice
[02:31] <MagicFab> magic_ninja, and report back here by 9AM :)
[02:31] <magic_ninja> lol
[02:31] <magic_ninja> can't i work at 4am
[02:33] <atarinox> hi can somebody help me with a hardware issue, or recommend a channel for hardware troubleshooting?
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> what iss you having?
[02:33] <magic_ninja> atarinox: this one
[02:34] <magic_ninja> atarinox: #ubuntu, they are all good, but #ubuntu is a high traffic channel so i reccomend trying this one first so you don't have to read 5 lines to find your answer
[02:35] <atarinox> my first pc build booted up first time, and we turned it off and tried a 2nd boot, and now can't get any display
[02:35] <atarinox> does it sound like my motherboard is fried?
[02:35] <magic_ninja> atarinox: doubtful
[02:35] <magic_ninja> atarinox: do you get any beeps from your mobo?
[02:35] <atarinox> no beeps
[02:36] <magic_ninja> onboard graphics?
[02:36] <atarinox> we didnt change anything, just rebooted and no display
[02:36] <atarinox> no, it's a pci-e vid card
[02:36] <atarinox> no integrated
[02:37] <magic_ninja> is the tower coming on?
[02:38] <atarinox> yeah powers up just fine. also, when we have the cd-rom hooked up to the ide on the mobo, it won't open. but when its just powered on w/ no ide hooked up it opens just fine
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> do you have power lights on your tower?
[02:38] <atarinox> yeah powers up fine, fans and lights
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> lights on keyboard?
[02:38] <magic_ninja> try the monitor on a different computer, start with trouble shooting the cheapest parts first
[02:39] <magic_ninja> do you have any display at all?
[02:39] <atarinox> yeah monitor is working alright....no display on the tower
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> lol "cheepest" he says
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> sounds like a display card issue....
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> is the moniter jack plugged in tight, and is the display adapter in the slot proper and tight?
[02:40] <atarinox> what about that cd-rom issue though? what do you think about that/
[02:40] <atarinox> yeah the card's in tight, and hte monitor cable is as well
[02:40] <atarinox> worked fine the first time, got a display. then the 2nd try nothing
[02:41] <atarinox> which is what makes me think it's a mobo issue
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> im going to recomend something a little drastic:
[02:41] <atarinox> haha uh oh
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> you know how to reset the bios on the motherboard?
[02:41] <atarinox> no...
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> tower right?
[02:41] <atarinox> yeah
[02:42] <atarinox> how can we reset the bios w/ no display?
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> the easiest way is to pull the power cord and remove the battery on the motherboard
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> power on the mobo (you will not see anything, but the resisters will discharge)
[02:43] <atarinox> and hten just replace it?
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> then replace the battery and the power cord
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> its easier then searching for the "clear cmos" jumper
[02:44] <atarinox> ok
[02:44] <atarinox> trying it now
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> and you wont fry the board by forgetting to reset the jumper
[02:44] <atarinox> then just replace the battery and psu cord and power up?
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> yep
[02:45] <atarinox> yeah still nothing
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> you did try to powwer up without the battery and power cord right?
[02:45] <atarinox> we didnt make any changes to the bios
[02:45] <atarinox> yeah
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> you have a spare display card?
[02:46] <atarinox> no thats the problem...we've got all agp vid cards and no agp slot on the new mobo
[02:47] <atarinox> but this cd-rom thing is what makes me think it's the motherboard...is there another reason the cd-rom wouldnt work if hooked up to the IDE, but would work if disconnected IDE and just hooked up to the psu
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> yes...the ribbon could be on backards
[02:47] <atarinox> well the ribbons pins only allow it to go on one way
[02:48] <atarinox> we've got the blue end hooked up to mobo
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> or it could be telling the mobo it is the same as another device on the same ribbon....
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> you have one device per ribbon?
[02:48] <atarinox> only one IDE ribbon and one device hooked up to it
[02:48] <atarinox> the hard drive is sata
[02:48] <atarinox> and no other devices
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> you have another mobo that can use that display card?
[02:49] <atarinox> nope
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> did you get the mobo @ a store or online?
[02:50] <atarinox> newegg
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> and the display?
[02:51] <atarinox> display card on newegg as well
[02:51] <atarinox> monitor has just been sitting around forever
[02:51] <atarinox> works though
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> we have eliminated the monitor as the issue
[02:52] <atarinox> haha
[02:52] <atarinox> yes
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> remove the cd....
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> boot system.....
[02:52] <atarinox> yeah tried that
[02:52] <atarinox> no display
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> can you get the keyboard lights to repond to num lock and cap lock?
[02:53] <atarinox> havent tried hooking up a keyboard yet
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> *slaps forehead*
[02:53] <atarinox> actually, maybe they did....i think theyre giving up though, calling newegg and telling them it's a problem with the motherboard
[02:54] <magic_ninja> atarinox: ohh, you mean you just build this?
[02:54] <atarinox> yeah
[02:54] <magic_ninja> did you buy mobo proc ram and case as one or separate
[02:54] <atarinox> everything separate
[02:54] <atarinox> but it booted up fine the first time...which is strange
[02:55] <atarinox> then we tried rebooting to get into bios and nothing
[02:55] <magic_ninja> atarinox: your comp has a mind of its own
[02:55] <atarinox> haha
[02:55] <atarinox> luckily it's not mine
[02:55] <atarinox> a friend's building it
[02:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What brand motherboard is it?
[02:56] <magic_ninja> atarinox: you may have shocked something if the case is open, but if you don't get beeps then its probably not a tower issue, do you have a spare gc to put in it?
[02:56] <atarinox> biostar T-series
[02:56] <atarinox> no, we'd need a pci vid card and all our spares are agp...no agp slot on the mobo
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[03:09] <maxamillion> hi hi
[03:10] <somerville32> Hi
[03:10] <somerville32> lol
[03:10] <somerville32> I just rebooted for the first time since upgrading to Feisty
[03:10] <somerville32> Totally hosed, lol
[03:10] <somerville32> I just get "GRUB"
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> ouch!
[03:12] <vidd_laptop> like i say hack till it hurts... i mean WORKS!!!
[03:13] <kalikiana> somerville32: What was your uptime?
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> looks like 3 minutes now!
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:14] <somerville32> lol
[03:14] <somerville32> 4 days
[03:14] <somerville32> Ok
[03:14] <somerville32> Reinstalled grub and reconfigured it
[03:14] <somerville32> lets go see if I fixed the problem :)
[03:14] <somerville32> Wish me luck :)
[03:14] <maxamillion> somerville32: good luck
[03:19] <magic_ninja> if i enable packports should i disable the others?
[03:19] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: no
[03:35] <Commander-Crowe> is it dapper or drapper?
[03:36] <kalikiana> dapper
[03:36] <kalikiana> (drake)
[03:37] <Commander-Crowe> whats the command to check for disk space?
[03:37] <Commander-Crowe> dh -r?
[03:37] <kalikiana> no
[03:38] <Commander-Crowe> no?
[03:38] <TheSheep> du -h
[03:38] <kalikiana> dh doesn't exist with my installation
[03:38] <TheSheep> df -h
[03:38] <TheSheep> du is for a single direcotry, df is for partitions
[03:38] <TheSheep> disk usage and disk free, respectively
[03:40] <maxamillion> <3 df
[03:41] <Commander-Crowe> how od i undo a aptitude install dist-upgrade?
[03:42] <Przemcio78> i like xubuntu logout screen
[03:42] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: you don't
[03:42] <Przemcio78> how to obtain such in other distro?
[03:42] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[03:42] <Commander-Crowe> ran out of space
[03:42] <Commander-Crowe> welll.he did
[03:43] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: well ... you could try sudo aptitude clean and redo it in hopes it would resolve itself, but i really don't think it is possible to revert backwards
[03:45] <Commander-Crowe> nope
[03:49] <Commander-Crowe> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[03:49] <Commander-Crowe> I need help
[03:49] <Commander-Crowe> I ran sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:49] <Commander-Crowe> nothing happened
[03:49] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: did you run "sudo dpkg --configur ... nvm
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> I jsut got error
[03:50] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: awesome
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> I know
[03:50] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: is the system usable?
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> I'm os proud
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> no
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> not anymore
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> how about
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> sudo dpkg reconfigure apt-get
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> or
[03:50] <maxamillion> live cd, backup files ... re-install ... it would probably be the quickest and easiest way
[03:51] <Commander-Crowe> sudo dpkg --configure apt-get -a
[03:58] <cilkay> How do I add another language to Keyboard Layout Switcher?
[03:59] <maxamillion> !keyboard-layout
[03:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keyboard-layout - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <maxamillion> bah!
[03:59] <maxamillion> cilkay: just a moment, lemme get you a link
[03:59] <cilkay> thanks
[04:00] <somerville32> No luck :(
[04:00] <maxamillion> somerville32: i sorry
[04:01] <somerville32> I got grub to work again
[04:01] <somerville32> but now I got "File not found" errors
[04:01] <somerville32> Wait a tick!
[04:01] <maxamillion> somerville32: not to side track from what you are currently working on, but i remember you posting a link about switching language packs for the keyboard layout and now i can't find it ... do you remember where it is? ... cilkay needs it
[04:02] <somerville32> There is an applet
[04:02] <cilkay> maxamillion: I found something and will try it. http://ubuntu.sabza.org/2006/10/13/xubuntu-easily-switch-keyboard-layout/
[04:02] <somerville32> Right click, add applet
[04:02] <somerville32> Keyboard switcher
[04:02] <somerville32> or something like that
[04:02] <cilkay> No, that applet doesn't allow you to add new languages.
[04:02] <maxamillion> cilkay: yeah, that sounds about right
[04:03] <maxamillion> ok, i gotta run ... bbl
[04:04] <somerville32> cilkay: Install them :] 
[04:04] <somerville32> They were pointing to /boot/<file>
[04:05] <somerville32> but I have a seperate partition for my boot files
[04:05] <somerville32> so when in grub, no need for the /boot/ part
[04:05] <cilkay> Installing them apparently involves modifying xorg.conf
[04:09] <cilkay> Done. Added "fr" to Option XkbLayout
[04:10] <Jester45> whats the ati driver
[04:10] <Jester45> fglrx?
[04:11] <Jester45> !fglrx
[04:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, yes
[04:11] <Jester45> oo
[04:11] <Jester45> i know what i did wrong
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> im slow
[04:11] <Jester45> didnt install it
[04:12] <Jester45> its xorg-drivers-fglrx right?
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> somethin like that
[04:14] <Jester45> its juts driver not drivers
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> wb somerville32
[04:15] <somerville32> :)
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> you should join us in offtopic
[04:15] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: also could you tell me what my hostname was when i join was it regular  or somthing like blahblah.blahblah.youwishyourlikeme
[04:16] <Commander|away> bye all
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, n=ryan@dsl-193-91.jax.centurytel.net
[04:17] <Jester45> darn
[04:17] <Jester45> how do you get a custom one
[04:18] <Jester45> o well i dont care that much
[04:18] <vidd_laptop> no clue
[04:23] <cellofellow> I'm having some trouble with GTK Themes.
[04:24] <cellofellow> When I installed MurrinaBlue2 from xfce-look.org, everything is rather olive-drab and brown. Not really attractive.
[04:25] <somerville32> lol
[04:25] <cellofellow> how do I fix that?
[04:30] <magic_ninja> if i enable packports should i disable the others?
[04:30] <somerville32> packports?
[04:30] <magic_ninja> *b
[04:33] <cellofellow> I know there's a big discussion in -offtopic, but I'd like some advice on GTK Themes. I want something that ISN'T brown.
[04:42] <atarinox> any good games for ubuntu?
[04:42] <atarinox> maybe something online
[04:42] <somerville32> !forums | atarinox
[04:42] <ubotu> atarinox: The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[05:14] <magic_ninja> hey somerville32 i added a backports repo, i believe the new nvidia driver is on there, what command would i use to install it?
[05:14] <somerville32> apt-get update
[05:14] <somerville32> apt-get upgrade
[05:22] <magic_ninja> somer the backports doesn't have the new cards im pretty sure
[05:22] <magic_ninja> lsmod | grep nvidia?
[05:44] <cellofellow> so, what do I do about brown GTK?
[05:44] <TheSheep> cellofellow: try Murrine Cappucino ;)
[05:45] <cellofellow> I don't want brown. I have MurrinaBlue2 and it's brown and olive drab.
[05:45] <cellofellow> cleanice is at least nuetral.
[05:45] <TheSheep> cellofellow: Industrial is nice and light
[05:45] <cellofellow> yes, I've use that.
[05:45] <TheSheep> cellofellow: Murrine Graphite is all gray
[05:45] <cellofellow> but brown edges and highlightes are still there.
[05:46] <TheSheep> no
[05:46] <TheSheep> unless you have something broken
[05:46] <TheSheep> MurrineEalm is all green and ornage :D
[05:46] <TheSheep> pretty cold though
[05:47] <cellofellow> mabywell, I'll see what's up.
[05:59] <cellofellow> TheSheep: in this screenshot: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/Screenshot-2.png, there's still little brown borders around buttons, and the highlights around selections are brown.
[06:02] <cellofellow> TheSheep: ?
[06:19] <troyr23> How do I disable force file checks?  Cause my hard drive has corrupt sectors.  And now my pc is in a loop of "hard drive contains errors won't boot"
[06:19] <somerville32> When do you get that error?
[06:22] <troyr23> I just turned the thing on and it was like "/hda has been mounted 37 times without being checked, force file check"
[06:22] <troyr23> And it found errors not it won't start up without saying it found errors last scan and its trying again
[06:23] <troyr23> Its a laptop and i have no idea how to replace the HDD in it
[06:23] <somerville32> Just press crtl + alt + c
[06:23] <TheSheep> cellofellow: looks like outdoors theme :/
[06:23] <cellofellow> it's grey.
[06:23] <cellofellow> so why?
[06:24] <TheSheep> cellofellow: check your .gtkrc and .gtkrc-2
[06:24] <cellofellow> k
[06:25] <cellofellow> which is...?
[06:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: ~/.gtkrc
[06:25] <cellofellow> not there
[06:26] <troyr23> nothing happens when I hit ctrl + alt + C
[06:26] <TheSheep> cellofellow: ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[06:26] <cellofellow> they aren't in ~/
[06:26] <troyr23> [17179666.504000]  Buffer I/O errpr pm device hda1. locial block 230442
[06:27] <TheSheep> cellofellow: the yare hidden files
[06:27] <cellofellow> I know that.
[06:27] <troyr23> now it saying that fsck of the root filesystem has failed.  minal must be performed then the system restarts.
[06:27] <TheSheep> minal?
[06:27] <cellofellow> wait, they are there but not showing even when I say show hidden files in thunar
[06:31] <troyr23> AM I going to have to reinstall xubuntu to get acces s to my pc again or can anyone help me cancel the pcs doing a forece file check on startup
[06:32] <cellofellow> huh. my .gtkrc-2.0 file does say outdoors
[06:32] <TheSheep> cellofellow: comment that out
[06:33] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you probably used some gtk theme switcher
[06:33] <TheSheep> cellofellow: that put it in there
[06:33] <cellofellow> the xfce one. this has KDE comments in it. I originally installed Kubuntu then switched.
[06:33] <TheSheep> hah
[06:34] <TheSheep> ever wondered how there is a qt engine for gtk, but no gtk engine for qt?
[06:35] <cellofellow> I would sure like a GTK for QT.
[06:38] <cellofellow> how do I apply an editted .gtkrc file?
[06:38] <cellofellow> .gtkrc-2.0
[06:39] <TheSheep> cellofellow: just swithc the theme using theme switcher
[06:39] <cellofellow> k
[06:43] <cellofellow> ok, just deleted that file and used the switcher to fix it. Now it works.
[06:44] <kalikiana> Any way to theme apps seperately?
[06:44] <kalikiana> Like XChat has another theme than Gaim?
[06:44] <cellofellow> why? whatever happened to consistency?
[06:46] <kalikiana> I want to see - if it's possible - if it's any fun or useful. :)
[06:46] <cellofellow> I don't know.
[06:46] <kalikiana> I wouldn't really do that with more than tow apps for long.
[06:46] <kalikiana> I tend to forget about theme changes after a week anyway.
[06:47] <TheSheep> kalikiana: see the gtk theme tutorial on art.gnome.org
[06:47] <TheSheep> kalikiana: it is possible to even style a single button in a single app differently
[06:47] <troyr23> Is there a way to turn off its thing that it will force file check the hard drive after like 37 or whatever mounts?
[06:47] <cellofellow> I settled on IndustrialTango. I didn't like the murrina widgets, to blocky.
[06:48] <TheSheep> troyr23: yes, replace the '1 0' in /etc/fstab with '0 0'
[06:48] <TheSheep> troyr23: or use tune2fs
[06:48] <kalikiana> TheSheep: you were faster than me with typing :(
[06:51] <kalikiana> TheSheep: thx for the link, i found it
[07:00] <troyr23> does the install usually freeze at 77%
[07:00] <troyr23> I decided to reinstlal
[07:00] <troyr23> cause i couldn't figure out how to edit anything
[07:01] <kalikiana> it happens, but not necesserily every time you try.
[07:02] <kalikiana> s/necesserily/hopefully
[07:02] <somerville32> How much ram do you have?
[07:03] <TheSheep> troyr23: if it's livecd, then it will freeze if you have less than 192MB ram
[07:03] <TheSheep> troyr23: use alternate cd instead
[07:03] <TheSheep> troyr23: if it's the alternate cd, then it probably generates anthy dictionary
[07:03] <TheSheep> troyr23: you can skip that step by switching to a second terminal and killing ti
[07:03] <TheSheep> it
[07:05] <cellofellow> TheSheep: I've wondered how I can make the buttons that are embedded in webpages in firefox look better. Use the native GTK widgets.
[07:05] <cellofellow> Can I do that?
[07:05] <troyr23> I put the xubuntu cd in and told it to format and reinstall .  it has 256mb of ram
[07:05] <TheSheep> cellofellow: no, but you can style them with css or use images
[07:06] <cellofellow> ok
[07:06] <cellofellow> CSS is one thing on the "Code to Learn" list.
[07:06] <TheSheep> cellofellow: all the normal properties work -- border, background, color, etc.
[07:07] <cellofellow> yeah, ok.
[07:07] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you must remember though that not all browsers allow to style the buttons, so use it for nicer buttons but don't rely on it
[07:10] <cellofellow> I thought you meant I could set my browser's general CSS settings for nicer buttons.
[07:11] <TheSheep> cellofellow: that's possible too, although I can't imagine a design that'd look good on all pages and backgrounds
[07:12] <cellofellow> yeah, ok. It's just when I use Konqueror or Opera or even Explorer (in XP) the buttons look a little better.
[07:13] <TheSheep> cellofellow: depends on the page
[07:14] <TheSheep> cellofellow: but they do look better on average
[07:14] <somerville32> Opera has ugly widgets
[07:14] <cellofellow> firefox's are just generic gray squares.
[07:14] <TheSheep> somerville32: no, you just didn't configure your qt
[07:15] <TheSheep> somerville32: took me a month to make opera look good
[07:15] <TheSheep> somerville32: including installing and unistalling kde just to enable font hinting
[07:16] <cellofellow> geez.
[07:16] <cellofellow> I have only 2 Qt apps. Scribus and Eric3, and they are so annoyingly out of place. Would look great in KDE but are just strange looking in XFCE.
[07:17] <TheSheep> cellofellow: install the polymer theme for qt, and match the colors with your theme using qtconfig
[07:18] <cellofellow> polymer ok
[07:21] <cellofellow> I can't find the polymer qt theme with apt-cache
[07:21] <TheSheep> I think I got it from kde-looks
[07:21] <cellofellow> ok
[07:22] <TheSheep> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Gnomeish_QT_apps
[07:22] <TheSheep> here's a howto :)
[07:24] <cellofellow> cool
[07:25] <TheSheep> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968
[07:29] <cellofellow> oh, I wish Xming had better fonts. Even with the extra fonts package installed things sure look crappy.
[07:29] <cellofellow> Xming == Windows X Server
[07:29] <TheSheep> cellofellow: I always use dejavu
[07:30] <TheSheep> cellofellow: if *they* look bad, then your hinting is broken
[07:31] <cellofellow> Well, I don't know what really works with this server. XDMCP works fine, and some fonts look OK. The terminal is tiny. The hinting and stuff might be broken. I know GL does NOT work.
[07:33] <TheSheep> cellofellow: for terminal I recommend the excellent Terminus font
[07:33] <cellofellow> that included?
[07:34] <cellofellow> well, my X server, the windows one, only has like 100 fonts.
[07:34] <cellofellow> or less
[07:34] <kalikiana> Why are you using an X on Windows anyway?
[07:34] <cellofellow> I use xdmcp to thin-client connect to my computer. I'm on my mom's laptop now, but using my desktop.
[07:36] <TheSheep> cellofellow: here's a ttf for download http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html
[07:41] <cellofellow> ah crap. scribus exited with a font error.
[07:43] <cellofellow> maybe it'll work with xorg on the desktop
[07:45] <cellofellow> well, gnight
[07:54] <Protopath> Does gaim not allow the command "/stats p"?
[07:58] <somerville32> Protopath, It doesn't allow for a lot of stuf
[07:58] <somerville32> Protopath, I recommend installing xchat from universe
[08:43] <emdash> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~brandon/wifi.html
[08:44] <emdash> if anyone is interested
[08:44] <emdash> it's a wifi configuration tool i've written
[08:48] <maxamillion> emdash: i like that alot ... not to be a jerk, but it reminds me of wifi-radar
[08:48] <emdash> it's not really the same thing
[08:49] <emdash> i can see why you would think that
[08:49] <emdash> i've tried wifi-radar, but it's really not my cup of tea
[08:50] <maxamillion> fair enough ... it functions for what i use it for, but its not the best
[08:50] <emdash> really, it's a front end for a mapping scheme
[08:51] <emdash> and the gui allows you to tune the mapping scheme if your circumstances change
[08:51] <maxamillion> oh, that's interesting
[08:51] <emdash> the listing is not what ap's your card sees, but which ap's the scheme will automatically try when you raise the interface
[08:52] <maxamillion> emdash: you should make a sourceforge project or something and open source it ... bet you could get a MOTU to package it and put it in the repositories
[08:52] <emdash> hm
[08:54] <emdash> i dunno much about how to do that. i wrote the script during finals week and i've been kindof beta-testing it for myself
[08:54] <maxamillion> emdash: well that's cool
[08:54] <emdash> my roomate suggested freshmeat
[08:54] <maxamillion> freshmeat doesn't host projects, just indexes them
[08:55] <emdash> yeah
[08:55] <emdash> i actually want to add a wifi-radar style access point chooser
[08:56] <maxamillion> would make some users more happy ... people enjoy the access point chooser, i personally don't care ... but then again, i wouldn't mind using iwconfig if i needed to
[08:57] <emdash> yeah
[08:57] <emdash> sometimes that's just what you have to do
[08:57] <emdash> and i understand that
[08:57] <emdash> but i spent a lot of time rpeating the same commands over and over
[08:57] <emdash> so i wrote a mapping scheme
[08:58] <emdash> then i noticed i spent a lot of time editing /etc/network/interfaces
[08:58] <maxamillion> yeah, repeating of commands generally makes me just write a script
[08:59] <maxamillion> something simple like a series of commands, just wrap them in a bash script and execute all in a row with one command ... makes me smile
[08:59] <emdash> =)
[08:59] <emdash> well i understand  the debian-style network configuration stuff
[09:00] <emdash> so i started there
[09:00] <emdash> at the time i didn't now you could do things like ifup eth1=blah
[09:01] <maxamillion> debian-style? ... wasn't aware there was a debian style of network config
[09:05] <emdash> i'm not sure how prevelant the /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/down system are
[09:05] <emdash> but i assume at least the format of /etc/network/interfaces is debian-specific
[09:07] <maxamillion> yeah .. ifup/ifdown is pretty linux-wide accross alot of distros and i am not too sure about other distros use of /etc/network/interfaces
[09:16] <emdash> same
[09:17] <emdash> although i've been only using debian-based stuff for a maybe 3 years
[09:17] <emdash> 3 or 4
[09:17] <emdash> i didn't really start using wifi until i bought my t43
[09:17] <maxamillion> eh ... time is relative ;)
[09:18] <maxamillion> whoa!!! you have an IBM T43?
[09:18] <emdash> yah
[09:18] <emdash> i dunno
[09:18] <emdash> my friend's t42 has a better quake3 framerate
[09:18] <maxamillion> i have an older iBookG4  ... its nice, but there isn't alot of support for PowerPC ... no flash, no java, etc.
[09:19] <emdash> something about the quasi-sata disk system really wreaks havoc with linux
[09:19] <emdash> yeah
[09:19] <emdash> that's what stopped me from buying a mac back then
[09:19] <emdash> but then the core-duo came out, and apple switched over
[09:19] <emdash> and now i'm hitting myself over the head
[09:20] <maxamillion> yeah ... i was given this as a high school graduation gift, i ran OS X for a long time but once the broadcom bcm43xx went beta i switched it
[09:20] <emdash> my last mac was the gaphite ibook g3
[09:20] <emdash> it was horrible
[09:21] <emdash> i couldn't open it to upgrade the hardrive
[09:21] <maxamillion> meh
[09:21] <emdash> and i was stuck with this tiny 9gig piece of crap, a 66mhz ram bus
[09:21] <emdash> and the lousy onboard ati graphic card which still isn't fully-supported under linux
[09:21] <maxamillion> lol ... well i have a 60gb hdd in my iBook and i haven't used 5
[09:22] <emdash> i've got 30 gigs of music etc
[09:22] <maxamillion> ah ... mine has an ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 ... its alright
[09:22] <emdash> which is a small fraction of what my linux friends used
[09:22] <emdash> *use
[09:22] <emdash> my roomate had a 400gb raid
[09:22] <maxamillion> nice
[09:23] <maxamillion> i don't do much media ... just code and net
[09:23] <emdash> mostly same
[09:23] <emdash> i'm much more interested in motorcycles these days
[09:23] <somerville32> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[09:23] <somerville32> /dev/hdc3              22G   17G  4.5G  79% /
[09:23] <somerville32> varrun                126M  124K  126M   1% /var/run
[09:23] <somerville32> varlock               126M  4.0K  126M   1% /var/lock
[09:23] <somerville32> procbususb             10M   68K   10M   1% /proc/bus/usb
[09:23] <somerville32> udev                   10M   68K   10M   1% /dev
[09:23] <somerville32> devshm                126M     0  126M   0% /dev/shm
[09:23] <maxamillion> well i don't even code much anymore, just for school ... i get burnt out and rarely want to in my spare time, but i am trying to fix that
[09:23] <somerville32> /dev/hdc2              74M   38M   32M  55% /boot
[09:23] <somerville32> /dev/hda1             3.0G  1.5G  1.6G  49% /media/drive2
[09:23] <somerville32> /dev/hdc1              15G   14G  945M  94% /media/windows
[09:23] <maxamillion> !flood
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[09:23] <somerville32> :D
[09:23] <maxamillion> :P
[09:24] <emdash> =P
[09:24] <emdash> so you figured out /exec -o i see
[09:24] <somerville32> indeed
[09:24] <somerville32> :] 
[09:25] <maxamillion> emdash: somerville32 is part of what i will call the "Xubuntu Staff" ... just felt like being goofy ;)
[09:25] <emdash> ah i see
[09:25] <emdash> i really like what you guys have done
[09:25] <emdash> i used debian/sarge for a while
[09:25] <somerville32> maxamillion, is like an honorary team member *atleast*
[09:25] <maxamillion> i had to put it in quotes because we are completely community based, but we are staff because we work hard at what we do
[09:25] <maxamillion> lol, awww thank you thank you
[09:25] <emdash> but got really tired of having to pretty much replace key parts of the system with backports
[09:26] <maxamillion> somerville32 runs the show and don't let him tell you otherwise
[09:26] <somerville32> lol
[09:26] <somerville32> maxamillion makes that up
[09:26] <somerville32> I don't do much at all
[09:26] <maxamillion> we didn't have the last development meeting because you weren't there to direct it
[09:26] <somerville32> xD
[09:27] <somerville32> I think you guys were just too lazy and were looking for an excuse ;] 
[09:27] <maxamillion> emdash: i ran debian for a long time but i moved to xubuntu for my desktops ... its just easier for alot of things ...
[09:27] <maxamillion> somerville32: i wasn't there ... work called
[09:27] <somerville32> The next meeting is the 20th btw
[09:27] <emdash> my desktop still has debian/sarge on it, but it's more of a media machine
[09:27] <emdash> i don't use it much because it's in a different city from the one in which I live
[09:27] <emdash> =P
[09:27] <somerville32> :] 
[09:28] <emdash> so my t43 is my main machine
[09:28] <maxamillion> emdash: ahhh ... my servers run debian, my desktops run xubuntu because they used to run debian+xfce and this is just easier
[09:28] <emdash> definitely
[09:29] <emdash> i remember i spent an entire weekend compiling kernels trying to figure out the exact options which would let me use firegl + aipiix + suspend 2 disk
[09:30] <emdash> but then i found out how dismal opengl performance was, and i gave up on firegl
[09:31] <emdash> plus having distractions around doesn't really make for a good GPA
[09:31] <maxamillion> emdash: yeah ... debian is good for alot of things, but i think (x|k|ed)ubuntu is basically everything that the debian-desktop project wanted to accomplish but without worrying about being strict to the "debian code of conduct"
[09:32] <emdash> yeah
[09:32] <maxamillion> lol ... yeah, distractions aren't good ...
[09:32] <emdash> i understand what they are tring to do, but it's not really not imporant to me
[09:32] <emdash> i don't need 100% gpl compatibility on my laptop
[09:33] <maxamillion> yeah, it used to be to me ... i love debian and will always run it or atleast a debian derived operating system because i am crazy for apt ...
[09:33] <emdash> it makes sense to have ubuntu focus on the user-friendliness and debian focus on the freeness
[09:33] <maxamillion> i actually have the red debian swirl tattooed on my body
[09:33] <emdash> if only they would have a tighter release schedule
[09:33] <emdash> hm
[09:33] <emdash> i think the debian logo should be the swirl on a tube top stretched over big boobs
[09:34] <maxamillion> lol
[09:34] <emdash> not that i'm sexist
[09:34] <maxamillion> lol
[09:34] <somerville32> :)
[09:35] <maxamillion> that's cool .... not my cup of tea, but i'm not gonna judge
[09:35] <emdash> sorry
[09:35] <maxamillion> rgr ...
[09:35] <emdash> i didn't realize this pint of lagunitas as 9.9% aclchohol until i'd drunk half of it
[09:35] <maxamillion> lol
[09:37] <somerville32> emdash: We can't continue the conversation until you join -offtopic :P
[10:09] <sunexplodes> anybody awake in here, i have a weird one
[10:10] <emdash> okay
[10:10] <emdash> a few of us
[10:10] <maxamillion> sunexplodes: shoot
[10:11] <sunexplodes> fantastic. okay, I am using xubuntu, but i typically use nautilus as a file browser. now, i've figured out that to change file associations, i need to do it in thunar. but today, i've opened thunar, and the fonts are all SO small that i can't read them at all.
[10:11] <sunexplodes> this is the case in thunar alone, not in any other xfce apps.
[10:13] <maxamillion> yeah, that is a little strange ... it _might_ have something to do with nautilus, but i doubt it does
[10:14] <somerville32> Wasn't there a font issue on the ml?
[10:15] <sunexplodes> sorry, on the ml?
[10:15] <somerville32> mailing list
[10:15] <somerville32> :] 
[10:15] <sunexplodes> oh, i see
[10:15] <maxamillion> somerville32: there might have been ... can't remember
[10:16] <sunexplodes> also, i should note that this issue has just appeared today. thunar was normal yesterday.
[10:17] <somerville32> sunexplodes, Try rebooting?
[10:17] <sunexplodes> yeah, already did that.. haha.  Sadly, the problem remains. Is there a config file somewhere that would contain font size values that i could edit?
[10:18] <somerville32> .gtkrc or something like that
[10:19] <sunexplodes> hmm.. any idea where that would be located? home folder?
[10:19] <somerville32> Yup :)
[10:19] <sunexplodes> cool. lemme check that out.
[10:22] <sunexplodes> hmm.. no such luck, sadly. just have a .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2, and it's got nothing good in it. thanks anyway.
[10:22] <somerville32> You could try reinstalling Thunar
[10:23] <maxamillion> sudo aptitude purge thunar
[10:23] <maxamillion> sudo aptitude install thunar
[10:23] <maxamillion> the purge command will remove all config files along with it, hopefully removing the config file that has your fonts borked
[10:24] <sunexplodes> sounds like as good a plan as any. Thanks muchly.
[10:26] <maxamillion> no problem :)
[01:52] <[lmt] _lucas> hello
[01:53] <[lmt] _lucas> I've got a strange problem with xfce on 6.06
[01:54] <[lmt] _lucas> there are a couple posts with similar problems in the forums but no answers
[01:54] <[lmt] _lucas> it logs in, there's the splash screen but nothing happens afterwards
[01:55] <[lmt] _lucas> deleting .config didn't help
[01:55] <[lmt] _lucas> any suggestions?
[02:39] <amorphous_> sorry to be a pain, but does anyone know the name of the pt cups viewing app? I can get it throught he apps menu, but cant find out the name???? I've apropos'd & apt-cached & googled till it hurts...
[02:39] <amorphous_> :9
[02:39] <amorphous_> :(
[02:39] <kalikiana> amorphous: What app exactly is it?
[02:39] <amorphous_> it's a print queue manager in x
[02:40] <kalikiana> amorphous: Try /usr/share/applications
[02:40] <amorphous_> it came with the cupsys-pt package
[02:40] <kalikiana> Search for the app in that folder, open it with mousepad and look for 'exec'
[02:41] <amorphous_> Hey!!!
[02:42] <amorphous_> that's one to remember - the /usr/share/applications
[02:42] <kalikiana> :)
[02:42] <amorphous_> thank you kalikiana  - it was...
[02:42] <amorphous_> and now I feel a bit silly...
[02:42] <amorphous_> pt
[02:42] <amorphous_> lol
[02:42] <kalikiana> amorphous: You can even modify these files or add your own.
[02:43] <kalikiana> It's not silly not to know any folder :P
[02:43] <amorphous_> so it would seem.... i couldn't find that info - can't access it with r-click or anything...
[02:43] <amorphous_> well... now I DO know ;)
[02:43] <amorphous_> thanks kalikiana
[02:44] <kalikiana> no problem
[02:56] <quad3datwork2> just installed 6.10, during bootup there is no splash/status screen... i dont' think this is normal...
[02:57] <kalikiana> there should indeed be a splash unless you don't have 'splash' in your boot parameters
[02:58] <quad3datwork2> let me check menu.lst
[03:34] <Gosty> Hi! I need to add to my .bashrc file a command which actualize the time, because i have low battery :). Now i have it in Applications/System/Date
[03:37] <Gosty> any ideas?
[03:41] <Maximilian1st> could this help you out? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7385
[03:43] <troyr23> OK.  I finally got my xubuntu to reinstall after that crap last night.  Now then.......
[03:43] <troyr23> Where do i go again to disable the option that after like 37 or so mounts of /hda that it won't do that "forcing a file check" thing
[03:44] <troyr23> I thought you said something in /ect/ to change something from 10 to 00 or something
[03:45] <TheSheep> troyr23: in /etc/fstab
[03:45] <Gosty> Maximilianlst: i can see it in the link. but i need the command to actualize time
[03:45] <TheSheep> troyr23: you have a line like this:
[03:45] <TheSheep> /dev/hda7       /               ext3     defaults        0       1
[03:45] <TheSheep> change it into line like this
[03:45] <TheSheep> /dev/hda7       /               ext3     defaults        0       0
[03:48] <troyr23> hmm I opened it and it shows 00.  is that cause I did a clean install?
[03:49] <TheSheep> no idea
[03:49] <troyr23> hmm i found one of them that is a 0 1
[03:50] <troyr23> default,errors=remount -ro 0 1
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> hello
[03:50] <Commander-Crowe> anyone here?
[03:51] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[03:51] <Maximilian1st> :-p
[03:52] <Commander-Crowe> !checksum
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about checksum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:52] <Maximilian1st> Hi Commander-Crowe  I'm leaving to be back later, you'll find help here, sometime soon...
[03:52] <Commander-Crowe> !md5s
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about md5s - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <troyr23> Hey I gtg.  i'll be back later to see if I can figure out what i'm trying to get this thing to not repeat that action again
[07:17] <Podpalacz> hi
[07:17] <Podpalacz> 7.04 will have shit it ?
[07:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wow, nice typo.
[07:44] <janimo> anyone with PPPOE/ADSL connection around? I'd like help testing the pppoeconf GUI
[07:45] <janimo> as I do not have pppoe it's not easy
[08:03] <janimo> anyone with pppoe willing too test out a new .deb?
[08:06] <CharAttack> Help!
[08:07] <CharAttack> The installation of the kernel failed
[08:07] <CharAttack> "Connection reset by peer"
[08:08] <CharAttack> I've chosen several kernels and mirrors
[08:08] <CharAttack> What's wrong?
[08:09] <CharAttack> the rest of the components of the base system were downloaded
[08:11] <CharAttack> Hello?
[08:11] <TheSheep> CharAttack: you're not using the cd? which method of installation are you using exactly?
[08:11] <CharAttack> "minicd"
[08:11] <CharAttack> my cd-drive is crap, it always somehow gets asleep during the installation
[08:12] <TheSheep> CharAttack: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD  <-- this?
[08:12] <CharAttack> with the online installation there were no hangs
[08:12] <CharAttack> thats right 6.06
[08:13] <TheSheep> CharAttack: have you tried to use a different mirror?
[08:14] <CharAttack> yes, my own german, the US-one and the "no"-one without country-prefix (manually entered)
[08:14] <TheSheep> wierd :(
[08:15] <TheSheep> CharAttack: is there any more verbose error message? maybe you cant pastebin it somewhere?
[08:16] <CharAttack> in fact, they're not the same errors every time
[08:17] <CharAttack> the error is thrown by apt-get, that it couldn't get this linux-image thing
[08:18] <CharAttack> it says i shall try apt-get update, but apt-get isn't installed in the install system
[08:19] <CharAttack> the reason is "Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [any ip] 
[08:22] <CharAttack> nothing else
[08:26] <TheSheep> :/
[08:27] <TheSheep> CharAttack: looks like either a problem on the server's side (unlike) or with your network connection
[08:27] <TheSheep> CharAttack: mybe there is some kind of filetring somewhere
[08:30] <Maximilian1st> Hi all.
[08:31] <Maximilian1st> Does anyone here know how to bind Xorg's session log to an unused screen like F8 or F12?
[08:31] <CharAttack> @TheSheep: I can't see why. I had never problems with my network connection. Especially not in the first 80% percent of the installation
[08:33] <CharAttack> How much disk space does the base installation need?
[08:33] <CharAttack> I only have a 1.6 GB partition, but I think this should be enough at least for the "base system"
[08:35] <Maximilian1st> CharAttack, probably more than that
[08:38] <TheSheep> CharAttack: not sure, never looked, the full install is just below 3GB
[08:39] <TheSheep> CharAttack: but the installer needs additional space to unpack the files
[08:41] <CharAttack> do you know where the installer stores the .deb files?
[08:43] <Soccrmastr> guys how can I start up XFCE from the command line?
[08:43] <Maximilian1st> startxfce4
[08:43] <Soccrmastr> I was updating Xubuntu from 6.06 to 6.0 and left iton vernight, got back and theres the screensaver on, so i put in my password says its wrong I tried several times, made sure it wasnt caps locks, then clicked new login underneat there. the XFCE restarted, and then when I tried to log in from there a warning message came up, but all the words were blocks, and all the button choices were...
[08:43] <Soccrmastr> ...blocks so I chose the one on the left then it logged me in. I opened terminal did lsd_release -a said I have 6.10 edgy so I went to restart, restarted the computer GRUB loads all the other crap loads, then the XFCE loading screen comes up. Then it closes and just a blank screen where I can type.
[08:44] <Soccrmastr> then when I hold down power to shut off I get on that screen some errors, then the XFCE loading screen comes back up and the system shuts down
[08:44] <Soccrmastr> so I just started up in recovery mode, and ran startxfce4
[08:44] <Soccrmastr> and it worked
[08:45] <Soccrmastr> so now when I restart the comp normal, same thing it doesnt work
[08:46] <grazie> Soccrmastr: in recovery mode you are root
[08:47] <Soccrmastr> so you think its not starting up because Im not root?
[08:47] <TheSheep> it probably created some files as root, and now they can't be created from user
[08:47] <Soccrmastr> so, any help on how I can fix this?
[08:49] <grazie> worth trying to reset your username password in recovery
[08:49] <grazie> !passwd
[08:49] <ubotu> passwd: change and administer password and group data. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 733 kB, installed size 2316 kB
[08:50] <Soccrmastr> ok
[08:50] <CharAttack> does anyone know a command to get the free disk space?
[08:51] <grazie> df
[08:51] <CharAttack> 21% used => yes.
[08:51] <CharAttack> thx
[08:52] <Maximilian1st> df -h
[08:52] <Maximilian1st> reads better
[08:54] <Soccrmastr> reset my passwors still same thing
[08:54] <Soccrmastr> just a blank black screen where I can type but its not a terminal
[08:55] <Soccrmastr> fuck Ill just reinstall xubuntu
[08:59] <Soccrmastr> this is a common xubuntu problem
[08:59] <Soccrmastr> this was linked firectly from xubuntu.org:
[08:59] <Soccrmastr> I tried the updater as well. When I came back to the computer, the screen saver was on, and it had forgotten my password. I had to reboot and then X didn't work anymore. It was something with the Nvidia drivers. I'm not so good at this, so I will have to reinstall from scratch.
[09:01] <TheSheep> Soccrmastr: xubuntu doesn't come with the nvidia drivers, it uses the open ones by default...
[09:01] <Soccrmastr> well, on the xubuntu page it says there are some errors with a link and that is the post
[09:01] <Soccrmastr> but im having same exact error
[09:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Did you use the graphical updater to upgrade?
[09:09] <Soccrmastr> ya I did
[09:09] <Soccrmastr> someone said this might work:
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> 1- after restart, when the computer stops booting, and there is nothing but a black screen with blinking white dash, press and hold together CTRL + ALT + F1 (to get to the console).
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> 2- sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> 3- after all the configuration, sudo halt.
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> he said it worked for him
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> when he had that problem
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> im trying it now
[09:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bug 68027
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68027
[09:10] <Soccrmastr> yeah thats the page
[09:11] <Soccrmastr> that im on now
[09:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Good.
[09:11] <Soccrmastr> thats exactly what happened to me 0.o so trying some of their suggestions now
[09:31] <Soccrmastr> yes, sudo dpkg --configuartion -a worked for me
[09:32] <Soccrmastr> also retained my old 6.06 settings
[09:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's also good.
[09:48] <HS^> do fonts look normal in xubuntu? can anyone make screenshot?
[09:49] <TheSheep> HS^: http://sheep.art.pl/iluvwin.png
[09:53] <TheSheep> more recent: http://sheep.art..pl/shot.png
[09:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Which fonts are those?
[09:53] <TheSheep> PuMpErNiCkLe: why, Tahoma of course ;)
[09:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Of course. ^^
[09:55] <TheSheep> PuMpErNiCkLe: culdn't get an ugly icon set similar to the windows' one though
[09:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Maybe some bitmapped console font?
[09:57] <TheSheep> PuMpErNiCkLe: Terminus is nice
[09:58] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: how many of you there is?
[09:59] <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, huh?
[09:59] <Maximilian1st> I just logged out and back in that's all...
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> There should be only one Maximilian1st
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> That's me.
[10:00] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: who's CharAttack?
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> Maximilian
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> No idea why you ask?
[10:00] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: Oh, ok, got things mixed :)
[10:00] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: I'm sorry
[10:01] <Maximilian1st> A bit I think so. :-p What time is it your place?
[10:01] <CharAttack> I'm nobody.
[10:01] <Maximilian1st> You need rest, count the sheeps and go to sleep... ... zzz ...
[10:01] <CharAttack> good luck, folks, bye
[10:01] <TheSheep> CharAttack: ha, I knew, it's *you*
[10:02] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: you might be right, thanks :)
[10:02] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[10:08] <HS^> but
[10:08] <HS^> i want to have a distrobiution
[10:08] <HS^> with good DEFAULT fonts
[10:09] <HS^> why is this so difficult in linux
[10:11] <luckyone> hello all
[10:12] <maxamillion> hi hi
[10:17] <luckyone_> I have a problem with my wireless connection just dropping and staying down on my laptop - can anyone assist with this?
[10:18] <luckyone_> I thought it was a problem with DHCP so I set up a static ip address by modifying /etc/network/interfaces and setting params for ath0, my wireless network interface
[10:18] <luckyone_> however, it still seems to just drop, and not come back to life even after I do ifconfig down/up
[10:22] <Maximilian1st> Hi maxamillion
[10:24] <maxamillion> hi hi Maximilian1st
[10:24] <Maximilian1st> I saw your post on the xubuntu forum, the one who asked for Xfce applications I think
[10:25] <maxamillion> hrmm... i don't entirely remember, i try to post on the forums regularly
[10:26] <Maximilian1st> Would you happen to know how to bind the output of Xorg's log in an unused screen like say F8 or F9? And maybe bind the /var/log/messages to F12?
[10:26] <Maximilian1st> I remember SUSE had that years ago
[10:26] <maxamillion> not a clue
[10:26] <Maximilian1st> you just ctrl+alt+F12 and you had /var/log/messages
[10:27] <Maximilian1st> I checked the doc and forum but I am a bit puzzled as to how I should formulate my search...
[10:27] <maxamillion> yeah ...
[10:28] <Maximilian1st> Texas...
[10:28] <Maximilian1st> How is the weather there?
[10:28] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: warm-ish
[10:29] <Maximilian1st> Man it is cold here in switzerland
[10:29] <Maximilian1st> But not cold enough for the season.
[10:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You might be able to use -logfile to point logging at a tty in /dev.
[10:30] <Maximilian1st> PuMpErNiCkLe, This is probably what I am looking for
[10:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The -keeptty option may also be useful.
[10:30] <maxamillion> that was strange ...
[10:31] <Maximilian1st> Yeah, all these people suddenly quitting?
[10:31] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: netsplit
[10:31] <Maximilian1st> netsplit...
[10:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !netsplit
[10:31] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[10:32] <maxamillion> yeah ... but i normally survive them :P
[10:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Of course you do - everyone almost always does.
[10:32] <maxamillion> well ... i didn't used to, couple years ago ...
[10:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The odds of your server being the one that borks are 1 out of the number of servers they have.
[10:33] <maxamillion> rgr
[10:38] <somerville32> 10796 haldaemo  25   0 10672 8332 1656 R 19.1  3.3  20:10.38 hald
[10:38] <somerville32> Hald is eatting up all my resources :(
[10:38] <kalikiana> When I updated xfce using the installer Thunar lost the ability to see file movements in realtime. Any suggsestions how to fix that?
[10:38] <somerville32> kalikiana, updated to what?
[10:39] <kalikiana> To 4.4rc2
[10:41] <\uzzi> hi
[10:41] <\uzzi> jemand am start
[10:42] <kalikiana> \uzzi: N German, please.
[10:42] <\uzzi> k
[10:42] <\uzzi> i have some probs
[10:42] <kalikiana> !ask
[10:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:43] <\uzzi> i didnt :p
[10:43] <kalikiana> So what's the problem?
[10:43] <\uzzi> i have no access to network configuration
[10:43] <kalikiana> Like 'You don't have the rights to do that' or something?
[10:43] <\uzzi> right
[10:44] <\uzzi> normaly it pops up that window
[10:44] <\uzzi> to enter password
[10:44] <\uzzi> but not there
[10:44] <kalikiana> I have that error with me, too, although I definitely have the rights.
[10:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Are you in the admin group?
[10:44] <kalikiana> I can only suggest you to run it manually.
[10:44] <\uzzi> its a fresh install
[10:45] <kalikiana> PuMpErNiCkLe: Running via sudo and gksudo works. :/
[10:45] <\uzzi> also i want to run vino
[10:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Add yourself to the 'root' group, then.
[10:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a kludgy fix, but it seems to work.
[10:46] <\uzzi> vino-preferences works
[10:46] <\uzzi> but no vino
[10:46] <kalikiana> or "gksudo network-admin"
[10:46] <kalikiana> PuMpErNiCkLe: Isn't that a bit insecure?
[10:46] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, PuMpErNiCkLe In /etc/syslog.conf there is a commented line that sets this behaviour I searched for. Just comment out and F8 acts like a tail -f /var/log/messages. thank you.
[10:47] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: good to know ... thanks for the info
[10:47] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Maximilian1st: cool
[10:47] <\uzzi> is "network-admin" the gui for netconfig
[10:47] <kalikiana> Maximilian1st: Thank you for the info. :)
[10:47] <PuMpErNiCkLe> kalikiana: It's not the best solution, but it's one I've heard works.
[10:47] <kalikiana> \uzzi: yes
[10:48] <kalikiana> I would really like to find a real fix for that thing. :/
[10:48] <\uzzi> what about vino
[10:49] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, PuMpErNiCkLe kalikiana You're welcome but let's not stop here... We want to have the log messages from xorg logged on the F9 screen now.
[10:52] <kalikiana> Maximilian1st: You uncommented the line with "I like to have messages displayed on the consonle", right?
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> Yep
[10:53] <kalikiana> :)
[10:53] <luckyone> has anyone ever had problems with their wireless interface staying associated to a network over long periods of time?
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> Isn't that perfect?
[10:54] <kalikiana> Maximilian1st: Of course it is. :)
[10:54] <maxamillion> luckyone: yes, but it turned out to be a problem with the old version of the bcm43xx driver ...
[10:54] <luckyone> maxamillion: I am pretty sure I use madwifi - should I check that project for bugs?
[10:54] <luckyone> maxamillion: I have aerthos or whatever chipset
[10:54] <Maximilian1st> ahteros
[10:55] <Maximilian1st> atheros
[10:55] <maxamillion> luckyone: you might want to look into it, they might have a bug entry about something of the sort
[10:55] <luckyone> kk
[10:56] <\uzzi> nothing about vino/vnc
[10:59] <icheyne> anyone here run icewm? I just installed it, it runs beautifully... :)
[11:04] <Maximilian1st> bye icheyne! Nice to read that you like using icewm on xubuntu... hahaha
[11:10] <maxamillion> i <3 cli
[11:12] <Maximilian1st> I love cli... took me a while!
[11:12] <Maximilian1st> cute
[11:16] <maxamillion> i try :P
[11:26] <Soccrmastr> the big Xubuntu GUI crash really isnt such a problem, very easy fix for it lol
[11:26] <quad3datwork2> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/images/shots/exoduz_fluxbox.jpg can someone tell me what panel is that on bottom?
[11:26] <quad3datwork2> thanks
[11:27] <quad3datwork2> n/m... fbpanel. thx anyway
[11:27] <maxamillion> np
[11:28] <maxamillion> quad3datwork2: you might also want to look into pypanel :)
[11:28] <\uzzi> can someone help me on vino
[11:30] <quad3datwork2> :) alright
[11:32] <maxamillion>  \uzzi: i've never heard of vino .. what is it?
[11:32] <\uzzi> vnc
[11:32] <\uzzi> its the vnc for ubuntu
[11:32] <maxamillion> oh ... i don't touch vnc
[11:35] <\uzzi> U can ... it isnt hot :)
[11:36] <maxamillion> lol
[11:40] <pepik> !wireless
[11:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:41] <Maximilian1st> Hi pepik, if you find the wireless documentation, check if you can find documentation about being polite also on the irc channels...
[11:42] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: why was that comment needed? ... was he rude?
[11:42] <Maximilian1st> Not really but I wasn't that hard.
[11:43] <Maximilian1st> Or at least it was not meant to be too hard
[11:43] <maxamillion> what about him logging in and using the bot as it is meant to be used was not polite?
[11:43] <Maximilian1st> Whenever you come to ask something to someone you first address him with some hello or hi or whatever
[11:44] <Maximilian1st> pepik, my apologies I wasn't aware of this bot option you used
[11:44] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: reminds me of that postmail server response, if you don;t initiate the session with a HELO command
[11:44] <Maximilian1st> I kneel down...
[11:44] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: there is really no tradition for that on irc
[11:44] <maxamillion> lol, no need to kneel down ... just letting you know that ubotu is just an info bot :)
[11:44] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: it's similar to not using 'sir' in e-mail
[11:44] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol
[11:45] <kwolcott> I just installed xubuntu 6.10 on a very old Dell laptop and somehow networking is not setup...
[11:45] <TheSheep> kwolcott: does ifconfig lists the network card at all?
[11:45] <kwolcott> I have ethernet via pcmcia adapter
[11:46] <kwolcott> ifconfig shows lo and sit0; no eth0
[11:46] <pepik> ok hello everybody!
[11:46] <maxamillion> kwolcott: ifconfig -a
[11:46] <kwolcott> yep, did ifconfig -a
[11:47] <maxamillion> ah ... hrm
[11:47] <maxamillion> lspcmcia
[11:47] <TheSheep> pepik: :D
[11:47] <maxamillion> and hello to you pepik
[11:47] <maxamillion> :)
[11:48] <kwolcott> perhaps the pcmcia adapter was too loosely attached at time of install?
[11:48] <HS^> does xubuntu has better fonts as ubuntu"?
[11:48] <HS^> i hate the ubuntu fonts. thank you.
[11:48] <TheSheep> HS^: no
[11:48] <maxamillion> HS^: think it has the same fonts ...
[11:48] <HS^> damn.
[11:48] <pepik> now i'm going to RTFM for a while and later i'm coming back to ask Maximillion1st questions about getting this wireless connection working
[11:49] <TheSheep> HS^: maybe you have them set up incorectly?
[11:49] <HS^> TheSheep i did. it just looks plain ugly. FACT
[11:49] <Maximilian1st> Maximilian1st, is too old
[11:49] <maxamillion> kwolcott: shouldn't matter ... should detect on the fly with hotplug or udev (i forget which handles that stuff these days)
[11:49] <kwolcott> what I be looking at in the lspsmcia output?
[11:49] <TheSheep> HS^: screenshot?
[11:49] <HS^> its no secret that fonts on linux are terrible
[11:49] <maxamillion> HS^: uhmmm... my fonts are sexy, i don't know what you are talking about
[11:49] <TheSheep> HS^: I find the DejaVu family and the Terminus fonts very good
[11:49] <maxamillion> Terminus :)
[11:50] <HS^> not my screenshot
[11:50] <HS^> http://bluelaguna.net/tmp/top.png
[11:50] <HS^> compare that to windows
[11:50] <TheSheep> HS^: you can also install the Microsoft fonts, there is a ready package
[11:50] <maxamillion> pepik: lol
[11:50] <pepik> i used easyubuntu to get a bunch of fonts, e.g. windows fonts
[11:50] <HS^> TheSheep i tried that
[11:50] <TheSheep> HS^: tried the terminus font?
[11:50] <kwolcott> so what's the equivalent of kudzu (I've been RedHat/CentOS/Fedora for a long time)??
[11:50] <TheSheep> HS^: or DejaVu Sans Mono?
[11:50] <HS^> i installed windows fonts, i installed windows config files, then i wanted it anti alias.  so installed those packages
[11:50] <HS^> oke what problems happen?
[11:50] <maxamillion> HS^: yeah, KDE default fonts are crap ...
[11:51] <HS^> FireFox didnt want to use the new fonts,  and OpenOffice didnt want to use it
[11:51] <maxamillion> HS^: that's not linux's fault ... that's KDE's fault
[11:51] <HS^> later that worked..
[11:51] <HS^> then i the anti Alias, ONLY worked in Firefox
[11:51] <HS^> and the rest still looks shit. thats where i am right now
[11:51] <TheSheep> HS^: aparently you borked something :)
[11:51] <HS^> you see i am tired of configuringf that
[11:51] <maxamillion> kwolcott: why not just use kudzu ... just because its from fedora doesn't mean it can't run on xubuntu (afaik)
[11:51] <HS^> well is that my fault?
[11:52] <HS^> ubuntu is a end user distrobution, so fonts should look good on default
[11:52] <TheSheep> "doctor, doctor, it hurts me whan I do like this" "then don't do like this!"
[11:52] <HS^> bad fonts,  are ruining all applications
[11:52] <TheSheep> HS^: they look good by default
[11:52] <TheSheep> HS^: and that screenshot is not ubuntu, btw
[11:52] <maxamillion> HS^: backup all data, reformat and install Xubuntu, i think you will like the fonts here better
[11:52] <TheSheep> HS^: nor xubuntu
[11:52] <HS^> so i believe today, that linux greatest desktop problem is fonts.
[11:52] <Maximilian1st> a question of taste
[11:52] <kwolcott> hmmm, ok I'll try that route...thanks
[11:52] <HS^> TheSheep yes it is, its from some guy in #ubuntu
[11:53] <TheSheep> HS^: it's kubuntu or some other thing using kde
[11:53] <maxamillion> HS^: no, its not ... its Kubuntu ...
[11:53] <HS^> you can install kde on ubuntu
[11:53] <HS^> you cant tell.
[11:53] <TheSheep> and beryl on top of that, Beryl is experimental and borked :)
[11:53] <HS^> so show me a screenshot
[11:54] <maxamillion> HS^: ok ... just a moment
[11:54] <HS^> of thos e "good default fonts"
[11:54] <TheSheep> HS^: http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png
[11:54] <HS^> and with good, i compare with windows
[11:54] <Maximilian1st> you ain't gonna like his fonts
[11:54] <Maximilian1st> don't compare
[11:54] <maxamillion> HS^: http://www.xubuntu.org/screenshots
[11:54] <HS^> i only like the terminal
[11:54] <HS^> its clear
[11:55] <maxamillion> HS^: this is a screenshot of my work machine ... i run beryl to make the windows noobs go "ooo, ahhh" but the fonts are still default ... http://www.swooh.com/home/adam/xubuntu/berylGears.png
[11:55] <HS^> the rest is not good. maxamillion i looked at that. it looks ok. thats why i asked if its same as ubuntu
[11:55] <HS^> ubuntu fonts look shit
[11:55] <maxamillion> !language
[11:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:55] <TheSheep> HS^: well, go use windows then
[11:55] <TheSheep> HS^: or try to suggest improvements to existing fonts
[11:56] <maxamillion> again ... i am getting off work, be back later
[11:56] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, man that sure looks geeky :-)
[11:56] <HS^> those look ok
[11:57] <TheSheep> HS^: they are the same fonts as mine, only smaller
[11:57] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: well you know ...
[11:57] <maxamillion> laters!!!
[11:57] <HS^> except menus look shit
[11:58] <HS^> and on my laptop everything looksas shit like those menys
[11:58] <HS^> only worse
[11:58] <TheSheep> HS^: you know what I think? I think you came here to troll a little and you can't even teel one font from the other.
[11:58] <HS^> it hurt my eyes litteraly so bad that i am back in widnows
[11:58] <HS^> troll?
[11:58] <HS^> i have been fucking around with these fonts for a entire day
[11:58] <HS^> and it still dont work right
[11:58] <TheSheep> !language
[11:58] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:58] <HS^> its a big problem to linux
[11:59] <TheSheep> HS^: last warning
[11:59] <HS^> what last warning for what
[11:59] <HS^> i never had any warning
[11:59] <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, do you have more of these funny computerized answers? :-p
[11:59] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: sure
[11:59] <HS^> xubuntu is the gay
[12:00] <TheSheep> we will miss you, HS
[12:00] <Maximilian1st> Now he was funny :-)
[12:00] <Maximilian1st> I am laughing
[12:00] <Maximilian1st> He just rushed in and shouted like  a fool
[12:00] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: all 3 screenshots showed the *same* font, by the way
[12:01] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: DejaVu Sans
[12:01] <TheSheep> Commander-Crowe: you just missed a troll
[12:02] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: I never came out from under mine
[12:02] <Maximilian1st> Hi Commander-Crowe, TheSheep is right, you really missed a champion.
[12:12] <pepik> hi so now that i can't look bad compared to HS, I have a wireless problem. I think i'm really close to getting this working, but when I configure the connection in network-admin and press OK, it shows ath0 as not configured. also i don't see any way to activate the connection, which the wiki tells me to do (as opposed to enabling the connection).
[12:13] <Maximilian1st> You saw that fun with HS, that was real sport :-)
[12:13] <Maximilian1st> I also have an atheros wifi card here
[12:13] <Maximilian1st> This is your first install or did it work before?
[12:14] <pepik> first time on this computer with this card yes
[12:14] <Maximilian1st> so you have other computers running with similar cards?
[12:14] <pepik> its is a netgear, on xubuntu 6.1. I have other computers using the wireless connection right now, not the same card
[12:15] <pepik> i am pretty sure the card is all right, i ran ndiswrapper and it seems to have the drivers working. its setting up the connection i can't do.
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> Is your wireless open or wep or wpa?
[12:15] <pepik> wep
[12:15] <pepik> no wait wpa-psk.
[12:16] <pepik> i have another linux laptop using it fine.
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> Network manager can't handle wpa is that correct?
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> with network manager? I am not using it but have read some time ago, one year, it had problems with wpa
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> This is weird.
[12:17] <pepik> i ran iwconfig and the output suggests the card is working fine. i have flashing lights too!
[12:18] <Maximilian1st> Anyway, wireless is a bit complicated and the best bet I always had was to begin with a fresh open access and try complicating things step by step
[12:18] <Maximilian1st> I thought that network manager was straightforward...
[12:19] <pepik> the part i am stuck on is that it says wireless network not configures, and then i go in there and tick enable and put in the wpa key and click ok and it exits out to say that wireless network not configured. i can understand if it doesn't connect but why can't i configure it and get it to stay configured?
[12:19] <Maximilian1st> maybe try reloading the driver one more time: modprobe -r ath_pci && modprobe ath_pci
[12:20] <Maximilian1st> root maybe?
[12:20] <maxamillion> pepik: have you tried it with wifi-radar?
[12:20] <Maximilian1st> are you using the networking in 'settings
[12:20] <pepik> no never heard of that one.
[12:20] <pepik> yes
[12:20] <maxamillion> !wifi-radar
[12:20] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[12:20] <Maximilian1st> does it ask for a password?
[12:21] <Maximilian1st> pepik, try running networing as root and see if that changes something
[12:21] <Maximilian1st> !beer
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <Maximilian1st> :-p
[12:21] <pepik> well system -> network or by running network-admin in the Terminal
[12:22] <Maximilian1st> yes, do this but using "sudo network-admin*
[12:22] <Maximilian1st> yes, do this but using "sudo network-admin"
[12:22] <maxamillion> gksudo ;)
[12:22] <maxamillion> !gksudo
[12:22] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using "sudo <GUI-application>"
[12:22] <pepik> doesn't seem to require root
[12:22] <Maximilian1st> !maxamillion
[12:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about maxamillion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <pepik> ok will try as root
[12:23] <Maximilian1st> !network-admin
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network-admin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <Maximilian1st> hey kalikiana  how is thunar doing?
[12:24] <kalikiana> Maximilian1st: It's working better than ever. :)
[12:24] <Maximilian1st> perfect, this is what we want to read :-)
[12:25] <kalikiana> Now that I works I did even recompile xfdesktop and manage to have desktop icons icon! *g (although I don't really care abut them)
[12:26] <kalikiana> s/I/it
[12:26] <kalikiana> s/icon/again