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| seele | mhb: can you send me screens of the GRUB interface? i dont have a dev box set up at the moment | 01:15 |
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| === Jucato waves at seele | ||
| kwwii | hi seele | 01:16 |
| seele | hallo | 01:17 |
| === Jucato waves at kwwii, too | ||
| kwwii | since others are waving | 01:17 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 01:17 |
| seele | so what is alt+space supposed to do? because i see a katapult icon pop up but i dont know what to do with it | 01:17 |
| kwwii | seele: thanks for suggesting a meeting | 01:17 |
| kwwii | good idea | 01:17 |
| Jucato | !katapult | 01:17 |
| ubotu | katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want. | 01:17 |
| kwwii | anyway...time for sleep | 01:18 |
| Jucato | sweet dreams kwwii! :) | 01:18 |
| seele | ubotu: uhm.. i dont get it | 01:18 |
| seele | i know what alt+f2 does, i do it all the time | 01:18 |
| seele | i dont know why i have to hit alt+space.. i just did it by accident a few minutes ago and had no clue what was going on | 01:18 |
| Jucato | seele: it's an application launcher. you type in the app name, it autocompletes, press enter to launch the app | 01:18 |
| seele | so how is alt+space any different than alt+f2? | 01:19 |
| seele | theres no feedback | 01:19 |
| seele | at least with alt+f2 there is a text box.. | 01:19 |
| Jucato | seele: katapult can also search through bookmarks, amarok playlists, documents (kinda tricky this one) | 01:20 |
| Jucato | can also be used as a simple calculator and spell checker | 01:20 |
| Riddell | hi kwwii, sorry for missing the meeting | 01:20 |
| Riddell | kwwii: seems like it went well though | 01:20 |
| seele | uhm.. hum | 01:20 |
| seele | i still dont get how to use it | 01:20 |
| seele | i got it to open kate the first time, now it wont do anythign | 01:20 |
| seele | and how would you use it as a calculator? theres no keyboard feedback | 01:20 |
| seele | ate | 01:21 |
| seele | opete | 01:21 |
| Jucato | seele: just type in numbers and operators | 01:21 |
| seele | +2 | 01:21 |
| seele | i broke it | 01:21 |
| Jucato | er... you have to spell the app name correctly... | 01:21 |
| seele | yeah | 01:21 |
| seele | alt+spacekate | 01:21 |
| seele | i see the K show up for k3b and then the 'a' is in kterm | 01:21 |
| seele | it worked the first time.. | 01:21 |
| Jucato | seele: have you seen OS X's quicksilver? I think this is a clone of that | 01:22 |
| seele | nope, not a mac head | 01:22 |
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| seele | this must be broken | 01:22 |
| seele | so i typed something that i know isnt in kmenu.. and i assume that would search for a document | 01:22 |
| seele | but then i try typing something that IS a document, but starts with an S (which also has an application) and the focus disappears on the second character | 01:23 |
| fdoving | katapult is fun. | 01:23 |
| seele | broken == me not being able to figure this damn thing out | 01:23 |
| seele | hum | 01:23 |
| seele | i still cant get it to work :( | 01:24 |
| seele | ah hah | 01:24 |
| === Jucato is not goot at explaining... :( | ||
| seele | the mouse-follows-focus must be whats wrong | 01:24 |
| fdoving | what do you want to do? it's tricky, i can't use it, because it doesn't understand real commands.. just .desktop files. | 01:24 |
| seele | i minimised everything and i could open kate again | 01:24 |
| seele | fdoving: well i "discovered" it by accident a few minutes ago | 01:25 |
| seele | and cant seem to get it to work even after people told me what to do | 01:25 |
| seele | apparently its a eye-candy replacement for alt+f2? | 01:25 |
| Jucato | sort of. | 01:25 |
| fdoving | seele: first trick. hit alt+space, then ctrl+c to bring up the 'menu'.. there you can configure it. | 01:25 |
| Jucato | Quicksilver clone | 01:25 |
| seele | uhm.. hmm | 01:26 |
| seele | is there documentation for this? | 01:26 |
| fdoving | no idea. | 01:26 |
| Jucato | there was, but a really small one... | 01:26 |
| Jucato | except that the site for katapult disappeared | 01:27 |
| Jucato | Mez was having problems with his host | 01:27 |
| seele | is this just for fun or supposed to replace or do something? | 01:27 |
| fdoving | i think some people use it. | 01:27 |
| Jucato | supposed to do something :) | 01:27 |
| Jucato | I do use it more than the K Menu | 01:28 |
| Riddell | it's alt-f2 for people who don't know about the command line (but obviously it's still a feature for advanced users) | 01:28 |
| Jucato | but I have the other catalogs disabled. I only have Programs, Calculator and Spell check | 01:28 |
| seele | so basically its for the devs who put it there? because i cant imagine anyone actually finding this | 01:29 |
| Riddell | manchicken: glatzor in #ubuntu-devel says he's going to be working on making software-properties more platform independent this week | 01:29 |
| fdoving | seele: mac-heads are used to the alt+space shortcut from osx. | 01:29 |
| Riddell | seele: yes, same as alt-f2 | 01:29 |
| Jucato | seele: actually, I think some users do use it, once they discover it | 01:29 |
| seele | how many mac-heads now about that in osx? | 01:29 |
| fdoving | spotlight in osx uses alt+space. | 01:29 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Does that mean I get to stop bashing that brick into my head now and work on yet another task? | 01:29 |
| seele | the more i know about osx the less i think of it | 01:29 |
| seele | theres some weird stuff it does with the log out menu | 01:30 |
| seele | Jucato: i just "discovered" it and had no idea what it was | 01:30 |
| fdoving | seele: i can't stand it either.. i have a mac, but i run kubuntu on it. :) | 01:30 |
| seele | theres no keyboard feedback | 01:30 |
| === manchicken has developed an allergy to Python... | ||
| Riddell | manchicken: it means it's probably worth waiting for him to do that :) | 01:30 |
| manchicken | Okie dokie. | 01:30 |
| seele | i couldnt even do it after people told me a) what it was and b) how to use it | 01:30 |
| manchicken | Could you ask him to separate UI and backend while he's at it? ;) | 01:31 |
| Jucato | seele: the large icon on the right is supposed to change depending on what katapult tries to autocomplete | 01:31 |
| seele | yeah.. | 01:32 |
| Riddell | manchicken: that's the plan | 01:32 |
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| Jucato | seele: but yeah, documentation is a bit wanting... and I personally have a hard time trying to explain what it does :P | 01:33 |
| seele | yeah.. | 01:33 |
| manchicken | Riddell: You got some small C++ tasks that need doing? | 01:33 |
| fdoving | nite all. | 01:34 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yeah, it seems like it did | 01:34 |
| kwwii | ok, time for bed | 01:34 |
| seele | l8rs kwwii | 01:34 |
| kwwii | sleep well | 01:34 |
| Jucato | g'night kwwii | 01:35 |
| ryanakca | night kwwii | 01:35 |
| manchicken | Happy z's kwwii | 01:35 |
| ryanakca | night fdoving | 01:35 |
| seele | so did people request to put katapult in as default or did it just appear? | 01:36 |
| Riddell | seele: I put it in because I love it | 01:37 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:37 |
| Riddell | and lots of other kubuntu people agreed | 01:37 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:37 |
| === ryanakca likes katapult | ||
| ryanakca | wonder if there are some more themes for it... | 01:37 |
| manchicken | You what the HARDEST part of katapult is? | 01:37 |
| seele | hum.. well that sucks | 01:37 |
| seele | who works on it? | 01:37 |
| ryanakca | ? | 01:38 |
| manchicken | Getting used to using it. | 01:38 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 01:38 |
| seele | manchicken: lol | 01:38 |
| Jucato | seele: Mez, iirc | 01:38 |
| manchicken | I'm so used to Super-r, that it's hard to use M-space | 01:38 |
| ryanakca | seele: the guy who put it into kubuntu :) | 01:38 |
| Riddell | manchicken: make adept mark packages in main, same as synaptic does | 01:38 |
| seele | hum.. | 01:38 |
| Jucato | there's also a #katapult btw | 01:39 |
| ryanakca | seele: go alt-space, ctrl-c, about katapult :) | 01:39 |
| seele | ryanakca: yeah.. really easy to remember :P | 01:39 |
| manchicken | Riddell: You got a spec? | 01:39 |
| ryanakca | seele: lol | 01:39 |
| Riddell | manchicken: the feisty adept one | 01:39 |
| Riddell | manchicken: but mostly just copy the ubuntu logo column in synaptic | 01:40 |
| seele | you know its broken if you have focus-follow-mouse enabled? | 01:40 |
| manchicken | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyAdeptChanges | 01:40 |
| manchicken | That fella? | 01:40 |
| Riddell | seele: we don't | 01:41 |
| Riddell | manchicken: aye | 01:41 |
| seele | Riddell: we dont use focus-follow-mouse or you dont know its b0rk? | 01:41 |
| Riddell | seele: we don't use it | 01:42 |
| seele | ah | 01:42 |
| Riddell | the control-c thing has annoyed me for ages, it needs something you click on for the menu | 01:42 |
| seele | ok.. so i type / and music/ is highlighted, but then there is an icon to the right which is a folder which says Open | 01:42 |
| seele | what does that mean? | 01:42 |
| Riddell | it opens the folder | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | the spell feature is slooowww... | 01:43 |
| seele | oh | 01:43 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/switch_valuesandtypes.patch | 01:43 |
| seele | this isnt faster than alt+f2, is it there because its pretty? | 01:43 |
| Riddell | seele: it doesn't depend on you knowing the application's binary name | 01:43 |
| Riddell | seele: it has a decent calculator too | 01:44 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Gotcha. Mind if I add a use case to that spec EXPLICITLY for this change? | 01:44 |
| Riddell | manchicken: don't, specs shouldn't be edited after approval | 01:44 |
| seele | Riddell: hmm.. it doesnt depend on you knowing the binary name which is useful for non-technical users who will never discover and/or figure it out to use it? | 01:44 |
| Riddell | manchicken: add notes to the bottom if you want | 01:44 |
| manchicken | It looks like the third use-case is similar to what you want... but not exactly an accurate use-case. | 01:45 |
| ryanakca | yeah, the calculator is usefull for when you don't want to start up abakus or python... | 01:45 |
| ryanakca | python is a usefull calculator :) | 01:45 |
| Riddell | seele: it gives better visual feedback on what is about to be launched and doesn't need the whole name to be typed | 01:46 |
| manchicken | Man... launchpad/wiki.ubuntu kinda sucks performance-wise. | 01:48 |
| seele | what feedback? an icon after you blindly type? | 01:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: any other small low priority python tasks? | 01:50 |
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| Riddell | seele: yep | 01:55 |
| manchicken | Riddell: You got an image, or you want me to just derive one from somewhere else? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | manchicken: use the kubuntu logo | 01:55 |
| manchicken | Is there a clean image of it anywhere? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | KubuntuArtwork | 01:56 |
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| manchicken | ty | 01:57 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: you havn't properly done the first task, still need a new upstream .tar.gz and source ready to upload | 01:58 |
| ryanakca | ah, so I need to? create an upstream .tar.gz ? | 02:01 |
| === ryanakca thought all was needed was a patch :) | ||
| Riddell | ryanakca: upstream tar is linked to from kde-apps.org | 02:02 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:03 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: to make sure I understood properly, I take the make a new .tar.gz with the fixed source? | 02:10 |
| ryanakca | s/take the make/make | 02:10 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: yes | 02:11 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:12 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: did you look at that icon the guy wanted added? | 02:12 |
| manchicken | Launchpad is seriously sucking right now. | 02:13 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Yes. He wanted to replace the current UPS usb logo with it? | 02:13 |
| Riddell | yep | 02:13 |
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| manchicken | Okay, where the hell do we keep track of bazaar packages again? | 02:22 |
| === manchicken needs to bookmark more. | ||
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BzrMaintainedPackages | 02:24 |
| Riddell | although it's probably incomplete | 02:24 |
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| manchicken | Riddell: Okay, so should I pull adept from bzr? | 02:26 |
| Riddell | manchicken: yes | 02:27 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: hmm... I think I'm going blind... I don't see any UPS logos... I see 2 icons with USB symbol on it, hal-bus-usb.png and hal-flash.png... and it is the 0.3 source I should be looking at... if not, that explains everything... | 02:28 |
| manchicken | The "~jr/adept/ubuntu" branch? | 02:28 |
| Riddell | manchicken: yes | 02:29 |
| manchicken | Righto. I'll stop asking silly questions now ^_^ | 02:29 |
| manchicken | Thanks. | 02:29 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: I think I should do the same :) | 02:29 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 02:30 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: yes, 0.3 seems to be the latest | 02:30 |
| manchicken | Riddell: So, a personal question... how do you manage to keep a job and do as much as you do with Kubuntu? | 02:30 |
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| Riddell | ryanakca: dunno, read his e-mail, he probably wants to add a UPS icon | 02:31 |
| Riddell | manchicken: I'm in the fortunate position of having a job requiring me to do as much as I can with Kubuntu | 02:31 |
| manchicken | Oh? | 02:32 |
| manchicken | Are you on staff or something? | 02:32 |
| === ryanakca wonders where one could get such a job | ||
| manchicken | Or is your employer just using a lot of kubuntu, and supporting your contribution habit? | 02:33 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 02:33 |
| apokryphos | on the Canonical payroll | 02:33 |
| Riddell | I'm on the canoical distro team | 02:33 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 02:33 |
| Riddell | calling it staff sounds wrong though | 02:33 |
| manchicken | heh | 02:33 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sitting at home of course :) | 02:34 |
| apokryphos | are there any other Kubuntu devs at the moment getting paid by Canonical? | 02:34 |
| Riddell | nope | 02:34 |
| apokryphos | last time I checked the only gnome guy they had was seb128 | 02:35 |
| Riddell | and dholbach | 02:35 |
| Riddell | and the ubuntu release team | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | I see | 02:35 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: lol | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | hiring devs is expensive | 02:35 |
| ryanakca | yes | 02:35 |
| Jucato | Riddell is very very lucky :) | 02:36 |
| === ryanakca agrees | ||
| apokryphos | but at least Canonical can afford to contribute in other ways also, with OSS events, applications, etc | 02:36 |
| Riddell | Jucato: try telling that to my girlfriend :) | 02:36 |
| Jucato | lol :) | 02:37 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: after reading his email, I'm guessing what he wants (and you want) me to do is add a UPS thingy? | 02:39 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sounds likely, I've not read the e-mail for many months, it's been sitting there without me caring to act on it | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | (seeing that grep doesn't show anything about UPS in the source at the moment?) | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:40 |
| Riddell | s/caring/having more important things needing done/ | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | lol | 02:41 |
| === ryanakca thinks he'll go talk to his principal about doing kubuntu stuff next semestre instead of sitting there bored playing around with MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint/Publisher (for the 3rd year in a row) | ||
| Riddell | sounds like a good plan that | 02:45 |
| manchicken | Hmm... adept doesn't build from bzr... | 02:46 |
| manchicken | adept/kubuntu_upgrader/Makefile.in is missing. | 02:46 |
| Riddell | make -f admin/Makefile.common will make that | 02:47 |
| Riddell | you need autoconf and automake1.9 | 02:47 |
| === Riddell goes to snooze | ||
| Jucato | sweet dreams Riddell! :) | 02:47 |
| manchicken | I think I have that. | 02:47 |
| Jucato | isn't it make -f Makefile.cvs? | 02:48 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I do appreciate your help on this. Much thanks. | 02:51 |
| manchicken | This build process hates me ^_^ | 02:52 |
| allee | Jucato: yes. Look at Makefile.cvs you'll see it does the same | 02:56 |
| Jucato | allee: aaah thanks :) | 02:57 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee!!!!! | 02:59 |
| ryanakca | hey Hobbsee|NotHere | 02:59 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 03:00 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee|isHere :) | 03:00 |
| ryanakca | oops, Hobbsee :) | 03:00 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee! w00t! | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato, ryanakca! | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | hey manchicken! | 03:00 |
| === Hobbsee pokes imbrandon with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a few times | ||
| manchicken | mmm doom... | 03:01 |
| Jucato | warning: contentless ping detected :P | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | knm is installed by deafult now - yay :) | 03:02 |
| manchicken | WHY does adept from bzr hate me? | 03:02 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: dunno... | 03:03 |
| Jucato | because you are soooo good? :) | 03:03 |
| ryanakca | knm? | 03:03 |
| manchicken | Don't patronize me ^_^ | 03:03 |
| manchicken | heh | 03:04 |
| Jucato | ok then... | 03:04 |
| Jucato | it hates you because you're soooo bad :P | 03:04 |
| manchicken | heh | 03:04 |
| manchicken | I think it's just soooo evil. | 03:04 |
| ryanakca | lol... like hobbsee? | 03:04 |
| manchicken | It was engineered for evil. | 03:04 |
| === Jucato is wondering if Canonical is sort of trying to push bzr as an svn/cvs alternative in the future | ||
| ryanakca | probably... | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | they are | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | the branching, etc is pretty cool | 03:06 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 03:06 |
| === ryanakca still has to figure a few things about bzr though... | ||
| Hobbsee | same here :P | 03:06 |
| manchicken | What's wrong with svn though? | 03:06 |
| ryanakca | I used svn for a week and bzr is messing with my mind now | 03:07 |
| Jucato | oh.. and now that Git is slowly becoming more popular.. that leaves us with 4 rcs? | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: did you upload kde-guidance-powermanager? | 03:07 |
| ryanakca | if your going to use bzr, make sure you use it before svn.. | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee yeah should be built during the night | 03:07 |
| === Tonio_ beds | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: it's not installing properly | 03:07 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: dunno... nice thing about bzr that I just figured out today is that you can commit locally... you don't need a repo or anything | 03:07 |
| ryanakca | bonne nuit Tonio_ :) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee fixed package already uploaded | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | right | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | bonne nuit :) | 03:08 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: sounds like git... | 03:08 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: quand changeons-nous la langue officiel de #kubuntu-devel ? | 03:08 |
| ryanakca | :P | 03:08 |
| allee | cvs is dead | 03:08 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: too late, I learned a bit of svn already :) | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you may want to check if soyuz ate that - i cant see it | 03:08 |
| Jucato | ok, so 3 rcs's :) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | hehe bientot, ca pourrait devenir interessant, y a pas mal de francophones ici :) | 03:08 |
| ryanakca | oui | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee it is okay for me here | 03:09 |
| ryanakca | night night Tonio_ | 03:09 |
| Jucato | g'night Tonio_! | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee I just got the fixed package via dist-upgrade | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | nite all :) | 03:09 |
| manchicken | ryanakca: You can copy from one repository to another in SVN IIRC. | 03:09 |
| allee | anyone know if daily iso is working? | 03:10 |
| === allee rsync's | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:/etc/default$ apt-cache policy kde-guidance | grep ubuntu | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | Install: 0.7.1~svn20070111-0ubuntu2 | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | Candidat: 0.7.1~svn20070111-0ubuntu2 | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | fyi | 03:10 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: no, but to the current directory... no need for any repo... it gets commited to .bzr.. | 03:10 |
| manchicken | That's not a bad idea. | 03:10 |
| ryanakca | (./.bzr, not ~/.bzr) | 03:10 |
| manchicken | Okay, I can't get this bloody thing to build. | 03:11 |
| ryanakca | yeah, might be usefull for word processor docs... that way incase you mess it, or a co-worker messes it up, you can revert... | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee we may retalk about that if it isn't okay for me, but according to me you may just wait for a mirror sync and that's it | 03:11 |
| === ryanakca heads to bed | ||
| Jucato | ryanakca: good night to you too! | 03:14 |
| ryanakca | night Jucato | 03:15 |
| ryanakca | Night anybody else going to bed shortly after him | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | neat, OK | 03:22 |
| manchicken | Okay, so, anybody know why I might be getting something like 'cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/adept_manager': No such file or directory' when I try to debuild adept from bzr | 03:23 |
| manchicken | ? | 03:23 |
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| Hobbsee | because /usr/bin/adept_manager path is wrong, or something? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | is there an adept_managre in the source? | 03:23 |
| manchicken | yeah | 03:24 |
| manchicken | It's adept/adept_manager | 03:25 |
| manchicken | Err, adept/manager | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:26 |
| === Jucato wonders if feisty will have a different name for adept again... | ||
| manchicken | But it seems like it wants to build in ./debian/tmp/usr/bin/adept_manager... | 03:26 |
| manchicken | But it never even creates a ./debian/tmp | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | it should in the rules | 03:27 |
| manchicken | What would something like that look like? | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | um... | 03:48 |
| Jucato | hm... | 03:50 |
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| manchicken | This thing won't build. | 04:12 |
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| Hobbsee | okay, bzr officially rocks :) | 05:16 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:35 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 03:35 |
| bddebian | Heya Jucato | 03:36 |
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| mhb | hi all | 04:08 |
| Jucato | hi mhb! | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | hey mhb! | 04:09 |
| Zerlinna | hello all :) | 04:11 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: did ryanakca talk to you about his -qa ideas? | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yes. what'd you think o fthem? | 04:14 |
| === Hobbsee still thinks that's probably for -testing | ||
| Hobbsee | although -qa is a prettier name for testing | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | speaking of which, i spoke with someone in -testers today - about that they could report in the section on the forums if they felt more comfortable. also, the wiki page for kubuntu cd testing changed | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | (there were two) | 04:15 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: the problem is, testers are an open team, so they should not have access to bug severity changing | 04:16 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: and a brand new team would not have many members, although I might be wrong | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yes. i'm not convinced that a separate -qa, separate to ubuntu-qa is the way to go | 04:17 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: but it's probably hard to get into ubuntu-qa, isn't it? | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: seeing as: 1. kubuntu/ubuntu bugs arent split 2. that doesnt encourage people to triage kubuntu bugs - it separates them | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: nto really. it's about as hard as i'd push people to get into -qa, assuming i had a part in it. | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: do the bugwork, ask, get in. | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: but you *have* to do the bugwork first | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | cant see why k-qa would be any different | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | sfllaw is a nice guy, so's dholbach | 04:18 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: btw, without a set email address, all members will get bugmail | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | so i suspect you'll get some leaving when it gets used more anyway | 04:20 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: members of ubuntu-qa get all bugmail? | 04:24 |
| mhb | even from kubuntu, xubuntu etc? | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: er, i dont think they're sbuscribed to anything. i meant -testers | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | unless they have a specified mailing address, all members of the team get the bugmail | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i'm not sure it's a good idea to split the small supply of bugtriagers more than we have to, anyway | 04:25 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: will think on it more though | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i favour getting things done over beaurocracy, if we can :) | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: mind you, the person who has the most badges on LP wins! | 04:30 |
| === Hobbsee pokes imbrandon | ||
| === Hobbsee still wants konversatinon debs | ||
| hunger | How can I stop guidance-power-manager to offer suspend-to-disk? | 04:34 |
| hunger | pitti says that is not the job of hal to report this but a config setting of the p-m used. | 04:35 |
| hunger | In my case the brand of laptop I use is capable of suspend-to-disk (which is what hal reports), but due to config issues this particular laptop can not. | 04:36 |
| fdoving | i belive g-p-m relies on hal to report correct information. | 04:37 |
| hunger | fdoving: hal reports "this brand of laptop does support suspend-to-disk" which is correct. | 04:38 |
| fdoving | then i think you need to hack the script to remove it from the menus. | 04:38 |
| hunger | fdoving: pitti claims that this is what it should do... my "this laptop can't" is a config issue of the p-m according to him. | 04:38 |
| hunger | fdoving: guidance-power-manager offers it (and queries that info from hal). | 04:39 |
| fdoving | i know. | 04:39 |
| hunger | fdoving: g-p-m does so too:-( | 04:39 |
| fdoving | i have the same "problem".. the ondemand governor does not work for me. | 04:40 |
| fdoving | but guidance-powermanager is smart enought to fallback to userspace on the dynamic setting.. instead of just crashing. | 04:40 |
| fdoving | i belive it would be harded to "fallback" to suspend, on hibernate. | 04:41 |
| hunger | fdoving: here is suspends to a encrypted swap partition... and of course fails to resume afterwards. | 04:41 |
| fdoving | exactly. | 04:41 |
| fdoving | that makes it harder.. as 'suspend' works.. but resume fails.. | 04:42 |
| hunger | fdoving: I am looking for some way to tell *all* p-m my users might end up using that suspend-to-disk is not an option:-( | 04:42 |
| fdoving | I belive the easiest way would be to override some hal setting in the policies. | 04:42 |
| fdoving | wouldn't it? | 04:42 |
| fdoving | 'hey HAL, I don't want to support hibernation'. | 04:42 |
| fdoving | that would be easier than rewriting all powermanager interfaces. | 04:43 |
| hunger | fdoving: That is what I thought. pitti says that is not the way to go und deverted my bugreport to g-p-m instead of hal. | 04:43 |
| fdoving | strange. | 04:43 |
| fdoving | I don't belive it's a bug though. | 04:43 |
| fdoving | It's a user-created-special-issue. | 04:43 |
| hunger | fdoving: It is a misfeature. How else to report it but via launchpad? | 04:44 |
| hunger | fdoving: Having the option to tweak settings is not a user-created-special-issue! | 04:45 |
| fdoving | I mean, i don't consider it a guidance-powermanager bug, nor a gnome-power-manager-thing bug. | 04:45 |
| hunger | fdoving: Neither do I. that is why i reported a bug against hal that it seems impossible to change the relevant setting. | 04:45 |
| fdoving | hunger: i agree, but i don't understand why one can't use HAL to do this. | 04:46 |
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| fdoving | you can set policies on everything else.. like mount options for usb-storage devices and all.. | 04:47 |
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| hunger | fdoving: Well, maybe you can change that setting in hal as well. I have not found any useable documentation on hal yet:-( | 04:48 |
| Lure | hunger: add disableHibernate to power-managerrc | 04:48 |
| Lure | hunger: in Feisty | 04:48 |
| hunger | Lure: power-managerrc? | 04:48 |
| Lure | hunger: this is also respected in ksmserver logout dialog | 04:48 |
| Lure | ~/.kde/share/config/power-managerrc | 04:48 |
| Lure | disableHibernate=1 | 04:49 |
| Lure | and disableSuspend=1 | 04:49 |
| === fdoving copies that into tipsandtricks.txt | ||
| hunger | Lure: I got several users... and they use kubuntu-, ubuntu- and xubuntu-desktop:-( I'd love to have something global. | 04:49 |
| Lure | hunger: gnome-power-manager has this in gconf | 04:50 |
| Lure | hunger: look at sources of casper package which disables it for Live CD | 04:50 |
| === hunger wonders where to set global gconf settings. | ||
| Lure | hunger: I think there is gconf command line | 04:52 |
| === Lure trying to find bug where this is described | ||
| hunger | Lure: Any idea how to disable this for all kde users? Without them being able to override it again? | 04:53 |
| Lure | hunger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/60442/comments/40 | 04:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Fix released] | 04:53 |
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| Lure | hunger: set it in global power-managerrc file | 04:54 |
| fdoving | hunger: root@light:~# hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key power_management.can_hibernate --bool false | 04:54 |
| fdoving | hunger: then check with 'lshal'. | 04:54 |
| fdoving | I got a furniture delivery. bbl. | 04:54 |
| Lure | fdoving: that should be general, yes | 04:54 |
| hunger | fdoving: Thanks! | 04:54 |
| hunger | Lure: Thanks, too! | 04:54 |
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| hunger | fdoving: Does not work. hibernate is still offered. | 04:55 |
| hunger | fdoving: You need to run that command with can_suspend_to_disk in addition to can_hibernate. | 05:00 |
| pinheiro | seele: hi | 05:04 |
| pinheiro | what do you think? | 05:04 |
| seele | ooh, so quick. lemme check my mail | 05:05 |
| seele | pinheiro: <3++ | 05:05 |
| seele | im going to forward this to ellen, i think shell love them too :) | 05:05 |
| pinheiro | cool | 05:06 |
| pinheiro | next choose a basic color so then you can have litle images with a personalised box | 05:06 |
| fdoving | hunger: ok. noted. but with both it works. can you check with can_suspend_to_disk only? | 05:08 |
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| seele | pinheiro: what do you mean by choose colors? | 05:30 |
| pinheiro | http://conference2006.kde.org/images/label_odfday.png | 05:31 |
| pinheiro | akademy 2006 green | 05:32 |
| pinheiro | http://developernew.kde.org/images/2/27/Devel-button.png | 05:32 |
| seele | ooh | 05:33 |
| pinheiro | developers new black (previs version) | 05:33 |
| pinheiro | that way each site can be part of somthig (kde) and have its hown thing | 05:33 |
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| seele | pinheiro: orange? | 05:36 |
| pinheiro | ok | 05:37 |
| pinheiro | i love orange | 05:38 |
| pinheiro | will sent you orange versions in a sec | 05:38 |
| Jucato | :O | 05:38 |
| pinheiro | seele: think brown goes nicer with them | 05:47 |
| seele | pinheiro: youre the artist :) | 05:48 |
| pinheiro | :P | 05:48 |
| pinheiro | six versions must chose one :P | 05:50 |
| pinheiro | sent | 05:50 |
| pinheiro | can also make a kinda image for the site that shows several diferebt colored computers and some sad with some kind catchy frase | 05:52 |
| pinheiro | usabulitize you kde | 05:52 |
| pinheiro | or somthing | 05:53 |
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| iankesterhaney | hello, my feisty fawn update manager crashes after asking if i want to upgrade tio a newer version, if i press cancel it bombs out. aptitude and synaptic work though. | 05:57 |
| seele | pinheiro: ellen and i like the orange and blue.. she likes the light blue more and i dont have a preference | 05:58 |
| pinheiro | ok | 05:59 |
| pinheiro | its a decision | 05:59 |
| pinheiro | i will do the image now and cosider this another joob well done :) | 05:59 |
| pinheiro | oo i need a slogan | 05:59 |
| Riddell | pinheiro: what's the artwork? | 06:00 |
| pinheiro | for the kde usability site | 06:00 |
| Riddell | iankesterhaney: that's a known problem thanks, the code is at an early stage | 06:01 |
| iankesterhaney | thank you | 06:01 |
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| pinheiro | seele: can you try to define me usabilyti | 06:19 |
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| pinheiro | so i can try to come out with a nice slogan for a nice image im making :) | 06:20 |
| Jucato | mhb: you there? wasn't your proposal about changing the widget style for feisty, not the windeco? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue27#head-2feef2e65041158ba89cdc25fd5971a8dffdbe32 | 06:25 |
| seele | pinheiro: ill have to think about that and get back to you | 06:28 |
| pinheiro | oki | 06:29 |
| pinheiro | i will send 2 pick for inspiration | 06:29 |
| pinheiro | try to picture the slogan there | 06:30 |
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| pinheiro | seele: check mail | 06:53 |
| Riddell | gosh, I just got a support request from Clark Kent | 07:26 |
| fdoving | wow, superman contacted you! :) | 07:26 |
| Riddell | spose I should answer it before he blows my house away or something | 07:26 |
| toma | internet is everywhere | 07:26 |
| pinheiro | hehhehe | 07:29 |
| \sh | even in metropolis | 07:29 |
| pinheiro | yea | 07:29 |
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| Lure | should we do something similar for kubuntu? | 10:55 |
| Lure | http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16890&limit=no&threshold=-1 | 10:55 |
| mhb | Lure: bug 78568 | 11:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78568 in kubuntu-meta "kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78568 | 11:03 |
| mhb | Lure: in other words: I guess we should, because people already said they want it ... I don't know if somebody is working on that, though | 11:04 |
| Lure | mhb: thanks for reference to bug - let's wait what Riddell thinks | 11:04 |
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