[01:15] <seele> mhb: can you send me screens of the GRUB interface?  i dont have a dev box set up at the moment
[01:16] <kwwii> hi seele
[01:17] <seele> hallo
[01:17] <kwwii> since others are waving
[01:17] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:17] <seele> so what is alt+space supposed to do?  because i see a katapult icon pop up but i dont know what to do with it
[01:17] <kwwii> seele: thanks for suggesting a meeting
[01:17] <kwwii> good idea
[01:17] <Jucato> !katapult
[01:17] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[01:18] <kwwii> anyway...time for sleep
[01:18] <Jucato> sweet dreams kwwii! :)
[01:18] <seele> ubotu: uhm.. i dont get it
[01:18] <seele> i know what alt+f2 does, i do it all the time
[01:18] <seele> i dont know why i have to hit alt+space.. i just did it by accident a few minutes ago and had no clue what was going on
[01:18] <Jucato> seele: it's an application launcher. you type in the app name, it autocompletes, press enter to launch the app
[01:19] <seele> so how is alt+space any different than alt+f2?
[01:19] <seele> theres no feedback
[01:19] <seele> at least with alt+f2 there is a text box..
[01:20] <Jucato> seele: katapult can also search through bookmarks, amarok playlists, documents (kinda tricky this one)
[01:20] <Jucato> can also be used as a simple calculator and spell checker
[01:20] <Riddell> hi kwwii, sorry for missing the meeting
[01:20] <Riddell> kwwii: seems like it went well though
[01:20] <seele> uhm.. hum
[01:20] <seele> i still dont get how to use it
[01:20] <seele> i got it to open kate the first time, now it wont do anythign
[01:20] <seele> and how would you use it as a calculator?  theres no keyboard feedback
[01:21] <seele> ate
[01:21] <seele> opete
[01:21] <Jucato> seele: just type in numbers and operators
[01:21] <seele> +2
[01:21] <seele> i broke it
[01:21] <Jucato> er... you have to spell the app name correctly...
[01:21] <seele> yeah
[01:21] <seele> alt+spacekate
[01:21] <seele> i see the K show up for k3b and then the 'a' is in kterm
[01:21] <seele> it worked the first time..
[01:22] <Jucato> seele:  have you seen OS X's quicksilver? I think this is a clone of that
[01:22] <seele> nope, not a mac head
[01:22] <seele> this must be broken
[01:22] <seele> so i typed something that i know isnt in kmenu.. and i assume that would search for a document
[01:23] <seele> but then i try typing something that IS a document, but starts with an S (which also has an application) and the focus disappears on the second character
[01:23] <fdoving> katapult is fun.
[01:23] <seele> broken == me not being able to figure this damn thing out
[01:23] <seele> hum
[01:24] <seele> i still cant get it to work :(
[01:24] <seele> ah hah
[01:24] <seele> the mouse-follows-focus must be whats wrong
[01:24] <fdoving> what do you want to do? it's tricky, i can't use it, because it doesn't understand real commands.. just .desktop files.
[01:24] <seele> i minimised everything and i could open kate again
[01:25] <seele> fdoving: well i "discovered" it by accident a few minutes ago
[01:25] <seele> and cant seem to get it to work even after people told me what to do
[01:25] <seele> apparently its a eye-candy replacement for alt+f2?
[01:25] <Jucato> sort of.
[01:25] <fdoving> seele: first trick. hit alt+space, then ctrl+c to bring up the 'menu'.. there you can configure it.
[01:25] <Jucato> Quicksilver clone
[01:26] <seele> uhm.. hmm
[01:26] <seele> is there documentation for this?
[01:26] <fdoving> no idea.
[01:26] <Jucato> there was, but a really small one...
[01:27] <Jucato> except that the site for katapult disappeared
[01:27] <Jucato> Mez was having problems with his host
[01:27] <seele> is this just for fun or supposed to replace or do something?
[01:27] <fdoving> i think some people use it.
[01:27] <Jucato> supposed to do something :)
[01:28] <Jucato> I do use it more than the K Menu
[01:28] <Riddell> it's alt-f2 for people who don't know about the command line (but obviously it's still a feature for advanced users)
[01:28] <Jucato> but I have the other catalogs disabled. I only have Programs, Calculator and Spell check
[01:29] <seele> so basically its for the devs who put it there? because i cant imagine anyone actually finding this
[01:29] <Riddell> manchicken: glatzor in #ubuntu-devel says he's going to be working on making software-properties more platform independent this week
[01:29] <fdoving> seele: mac-heads are used to the alt+space shortcut from osx.
[01:29] <Riddell> seele: yes, same as alt-f2
[01:29] <Jucato> seele: actually, I think some users do use it, once they discover it
[01:29] <seele> how many mac-heads now about that in osx?
[01:29] <fdoving> spotlight in osx uses alt+space.
[01:29] <manchicken> Riddell: Does that mean I get to stop bashing that brick into my head now and work on yet another task?
[01:29] <seele> the more i know about osx the less i think of it
[01:30] <seele> theres some weird stuff it does with the log out menu
[01:30] <seele> Jucato: i just "discovered" it and had no idea what it was
[01:30] <fdoving> seele: i can't stand it either.. i have a mac, but i run kubuntu on it. :)
[01:30] <seele> theres no keyboard feedback
[01:30] <Riddell> manchicken: it means it's probably worth waiting for him to do that :)
[01:30] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[01:30] <seele> i couldnt even do it after people told me a) what it was and b) how to use it
[01:31] <manchicken> Could you ask him to separate UI and backend while he's at it? ;)
[01:31] <Jucato> seele: the large icon on the right is supposed to change depending on what katapult tries to autocomplete
[01:32] <seele> yeah..
[01:32] <Riddell> manchicken: that's the plan
[01:33] <Jucato> seele: but yeah, documentation is a bit wanting... and I personally have a hard time trying to explain what it does :P
[01:33] <seele> yeah..
[01:33] <manchicken> Riddell: You got some small C++ tasks that need doing?
[01:34] <fdoving> nite all.
[01:34] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, it seems like it did
[01:34] <kwwii> ok, time for bed
[01:34] <seele> l8rs kwwii
[01:34] <kwwii> sleep well
[01:35] <Jucato> g'night kwwii
[01:35] <ryanakca> night kwwii
[01:35] <manchicken> Happy z's kwwii
[01:35] <ryanakca> night fdoving
[01:36] <seele> so did people request to put katapult in as default or did it just appear?
[01:37] <Riddell> seele: I put it in because I love it
[01:37] <Jucato> :D
[01:37] <Riddell> and lots of other kubuntu people agreed
[01:37] <ryanakca> lol
[01:37] <ryanakca> wonder if there are some more themes for it...
[01:37] <manchicken> You what the HARDEST part of katapult is?
[01:37] <seele> hum.. well that sucks
[01:37] <seele> who works on it?
[01:38] <ryanakca> ?
[01:38] <manchicken> Getting used to using it.
[01:38] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:38] <seele> manchicken: lol
[01:38] <Jucato> seele: Mez, iirc
[01:38] <manchicken> I'm so used to Super-r, that it's hard to use M-space
[01:38] <ryanakca> seele: the guy who put it into kubuntu :)
[01:38] <Riddell> manchicken: make adept mark packages in main, same as synaptic does
[01:38] <seele> hum..
[01:39] <Jucato> there's also a #katapult btw
[01:39] <ryanakca> seele: go alt-space, ctrl-c, about katapult :)
[01:39] <seele> ryanakca: yeah.. really easy to remember :P
[01:39] <manchicken> Riddell: You got a spec?
[01:39] <ryanakca> seele: lol
[01:39] <Riddell> manchicken: the feisty adept one
[01:40] <Riddell> manchicken: but mostly just copy the ubuntu logo column in synaptic
[01:40] <seele> you know its broken if you have focus-follow-mouse enabled?
[01:40] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyAdeptChanges
[01:40] <manchicken> That fella?
[01:41] <Riddell> seele: we don't
[01:41] <Riddell> manchicken: aye
[01:41] <seele> Riddell: we dont use focus-follow-mouse or you dont know its b0rk?
[01:42] <Riddell> seele: we don't use it
[01:42] <seele> ah
[01:42] <Riddell> the control-c thing has annoyed me for ages, it needs something you click on for the menu
[01:42] <seele> ok.. so i type / and music/ is highlighted, but then there is an icon to the right which is a folder which says Open
[01:42] <seele> what does that mean?
[01:42] <Riddell> it opens the folder
[01:43] <ryanakca> the spell feature is slooowww...
[01:43] <seele> oh
[01:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/switch_valuesandtypes.patch
[01:43] <seele> this isnt faster than alt+f2, is it there because its pretty?
[01:43] <Riddell> seele: it doesn't depend on you knowing the application's binary name
[01:44] <Riddell> seele: it has a decent calculator too
[01:44] <manchicken> Riddell: Gotcha.  Mind if I add a use case to that spec EXPLICITLY for this change?
[01:44] <Riddell> manchicken: don't, specs shouldn't be edited after approval
[01:44] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. it doesnt depend on you knowing the binary name which is useful for non-technical users who will never discover and/or figure it out to use it?
[01:44] <Riddell> manchicken: add notes to the bottom if you want
[01:45] <manchicken> It looks like the third use-case is similar to what you want... but not exactly an accurate use-case.
[01:45] <ryanakca> yeah, the calculator is usefull for when you don't want to start up abakus or python...
[01:45] <ryanakca> python is a usefull calculator :)
[01:46] <Riddell> seele: it gives better visual feedback on what is about to be launched and doesn't need the whole name to be typed
[01:48] <manchicken> Man... launchpad/wiki.ubuntu kinda sucks performance-wise.
[01:48] <seele> what feedback?  an icon after you blindly type?
[01:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: any other small low priority python tasks?
[01:55] <Riddell> seele: yep
[01:55] <manchicken> Riddell: You got an image, or you want me to just derive one from somewhere else?
[01:55] <Riddell> manchicken: use the kubuntu logo
[01:55] <manchicken> Is there a clean image of it anywhere?
[01:56] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork
[01:57] <manchicken> ty
[01:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: you havn't properly done the first task, still need a new upstream .tar.gz and source ready to upload
[02:01] <ryanakca> ah, so I need to? create an upstream .tar.gz ?
[02:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: upstream tar is linked to from kde-apps.org
[02:03] <ryanakca> kk
[02:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: to make sure I understood properly, I take the make a new .tar.gz with the fixed source?
[02:10] <ryanakca> s/take the make/make
[02:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[02:12] <ryanakca> kk
[02:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you look at that icon the guy wanted added?
[02:13] <manchicken> Launchpad is seriously sucking right now.
[02:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes. He wanted to replace the current UPS usb logo with it?
[02:13] <Riddell> yep
[02:22] <manchicken> Okay, where the hell do we keep track of bazaar packages again?
[02:24] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BzrMaintainedPackages
[02:24] <Riddell> although it's probably incomplete
[02:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Okay, so should I pull adept from bzr?
[02:27] <Riddell> manchicken: yes
[02:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... I think I'm going blind... I don't see any UPS logos... I see 2 icons with USB symbol on it, hal-bus-usb.png and hal-flash.png... and it is the 0.3 source I should be looking at... if not, that explains everything...
[02:28] <manchicken> The "~jr/adept/ubuntu" branch?
[02:29] <Riddell> manchicken: yes
[02:29] <manchicken> Righto.  I'll stop asking silly questions now ^_^
[02:29] <manchicken> Thanks.
[02:29] <ryanakca> manchicken: I think I should do the same :)
[02:30] <manchicken> ^_^
[02:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, 0.3 seems to be the latest
[02:30] <manchicken> Riddell: So, a personal question... how do you manage to keep a job and do as much as you do with Kubuntu?
[02:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: dunno, read his e-mail, he probably wants to add a UPS icon
[02:31] <Riddell> manchicken: I'm in the fortunate position of having a job requiring me to do as much as I can with Kubuntu
[02:32] <manchicken> Oh?
[02:32] <manchicken> Are you on staff or something?
[02:33] <manchicken> Or is your employer just using a lot of kubuntu, and supporting your contribution habit?
[02:33] <manchicken> ^_^
[02:33] <apokryphos> on the Canonical payroll
[02:33] <Riddell> I'm on the canoical distro team
[02:33] <manchicken> Ah.
[02:33] <Riddell> calling it staff sounds wrong though
[02:33] <manchicken> heh
[02:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: sitting at home of course :)
[02:34] <apokryphos> are there any other Kubuntu devs at the moment getting paid by Canonical?
[02:34] <Riddell> nope
[02:35] <apokryphos> last time I checked the only gnome guy they had was seb128
[02:35] <Riddell> and dholbach
[02:35] <Riddell> and the ubuntu release team
[02:35] <apokryphos> I see
[02:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: lol
[02:35] <apokryphos> hiring devs is expensive
[02:35] <ryanakca> yes
[02:36] <Jucato> Riddell is very very lucky :)
[02:36] <apokryphos> but at least Canonical can afford to contribute in other ways also, with OSS events, applications, etc
[02:36] <Riddell> Jucato: try telling that to my girlfriend :)
[02:37] <Jucato> lol :)
[02:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: after reading his email, I'm guessing what he wants (and you want) me to do is add a UPS thingy?
[02:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: sounds likely, I've not read the e-mail for many months, it's been sitting there without me caring to act on it
[02:40] <ryanakca> (seeing that grep doesn't show anything about UPS in the source at the moment?)
[02:40] <ryanakca> kk
[02:40] <Riddell> s/caring/having more important things needing done/
[02:41] <ryanakca> lol
[02:45] <Riddell> sounds like a good plan that
[02:46] <manchicken> Hmm... adept doesn't build from bzr...
[02:46] <manchicken> adept/kubuntu_upgrader/Makefile.in is missing.
[02:47] <Riddell> make -f admin/Makefile.common  will make that
[02:47] <Riddell> you need autoconf and automake1.9
[02:47] <Jucato> sweet dreams Riddell! :)
[02:47] <manchicken> I think I have that.
[02:48] <Jucato> isn't it make -f Makefile.cvs?
[02:51] <manchicken> Riddell: I do appreciate your help on this.  Much thanks.
[02:52] <manchicken> This build process hates me ^_^
[02:56] <allee> Jucato: yes. Look at Makefile.cvs you'll see it does the same
[02:57] <Jucato> allee: aaah thanks :)
[02:59] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!!
[02:59] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee|NotHere
[03:00] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee|isHere :)
[03:00] <ryanakca> oops, Hobbsee :)
[03:00] <manchicken> Hobbsee!  w00t!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato, ryanakca!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hey manchicken!
[03:01] <manchicken> mmm doom...
[03:01] <Jucato> warning: contentless ping detected :P
[03:02] <Hobbsee> knm is installed by deafult now - yay :)
[03:02] <manchicken> WHY does adept from bzr hate me?
[03:03] <ryanakca> manchicken: dunno...
[03:03] <Jucato> because you are soooo good? :)
[03:03] <ryanakca> knm?
[03:03] <manchicken> Don't patronize me ^_^
[03:04] <manchicken> heh
[03:04] <Jucato> ok then...
[03:04] <Jucato> it hates you because you're soooo bad :P
[03:04] <manchicken> heh
[03:04] <manchicken> I think it's just soooo evil.
[03:04] <ryanakca> lol... like hobbsee?
[03:04] <manchicken> It was engineered for evil.
[03:06] <ryanakca> probably...
[03:06] <Hobbsee> they are
[03:06] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:06] <Hobbsee> the branching, etc is pretty cool
[03:06] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:06] <Hobbsee> same here :P
[03:06] <manchicken> What's wrong with svn though?
[03:07] <ryanakca> I used svn for a week and bzr is messing with my mind now
[03:07] <Jucato> oh.. and now that Git is slowly becoming more popular.. that leaves us with 4 rcs?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you upload kde-guidance-powermanager?
[03:07] <ryanakca> if your going to use bzr, make sure you use it before svn..
[03:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee yeah should be built during the night
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's not installing properly
[03:07] <ryanakca> manchicken: dunno... nice thing about bzr that I just figured out today is that you can commit locally... you don't need a repo or anything
[03:08] <ryanakca> bonne nuit Tonio_ :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee fixed package already uploaded
[03:08] <Hobbsee> right
[03:08] <Tonio_> bonne nuit :)
[03:08] <Jucato> ryanakca: sounds like git...
[03:08] <ryanakca> Tonio_: quand changeons-nous la langue officiel de #kubuntu-devel ?
[03:08] <ryanakca> :P
[03:08] <allee> cvs is dead
[03:08] <Jucato> ryanakca: too late, I learned a bit of svn already :)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you may want to check if soyuz ate that - i cant see it
[03:08] <Jucato> ok, so 3 rcs's :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> hehe bientot, ca pourrait devenir interessant, y a pas mal de francophones ici :)
[03:09] <ryanakca> oui
[03:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee it is okay for me here
[03:09] <ryanakca> night night Tonio_
[03:09] <Jucato> g'night Tonio_!
[03:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee I just got the fixed package via dist-upgrade
[03:09] <Tonio_> nite all :)
[03:09] <manchicken> ryanakca: You can copy from one repository to another in SVN IIRC.
[03:10] <allee> anyone know if daily iso is working?
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee
[03:10] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:/etc/default$ apt-cache policy kde-guidance | grep ubuntu
[03:10] <Tonio_>   Install: 0.7.1~svn20070111-0ubuntu2
[03:10] <Tonio_>   Candidat: 0.7.1~svn20070111-0ubuntu2
[03:10] <Tonio_> fyi
[03:10] <ryanakca> manchicken: no, but to the current directory... no need for any repo... it gets commited to .bzr..
[03:10] <manchicken> That's not a bad idea.
[03:10] <ryanakca> (./.bzr, not ~/.bzr)
[03:11] <manchicken> Okay, I can't get this bloody thing to build.
[03:11] <ryanakca> yeah, might be usefull for word processor docs... that way incase you mess it, or a co-worker messes it up, you can revert...
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee we may retalk about that if it isn't okay for me, but according to me you may just wait for a mirror sync and that's it
[03:14] <Jucato> ryanakca: good night to you too!
[03:15] <ryanakca> night Jucato
[03:15] <ryanakca> Night anybody else going to bed shortly after him
[03:22] <Hobbsee> neat, OK
[03:23] <manchicken> Okay, so, anybody know why I might be getting something like 'cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/adept_manager': No such file or directory' when I try to debuild adept from bzr
[03:23] <manchicken> ?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> because /usr/bin/adept_manager path is wrong, or something?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> is there an adept_managre in the source?
[03:24] <manchicken> yeah
[03:25] <manchicken> It's adept/adept_manager
[03:25] <manchicken> Err, adept/manager
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:26] <manchicken> But it seems like it wants to build in ./debian/tmp/usr/bin/adept_manager...
[03:27] <manchicken> But it never even creates a ./debian/tmp
[03:27] <Hobbsee> it should in the rules
[03:28] <manchicken> What would something like that look like?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> um...
[03:50] <Jucato> hm...
[04:12] <manchicken> This thing won't build.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> okay, bzr officially rocks :)
[03:35] <bddebian> Heya
[03:35] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:08] <mhb> hi all
[04:09] <Jucato> hi mhb!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[04:11] <Zerlinna> hello all :)
[04:13] <mhb> Hobbsee: did ryanakca talk to you about his -qa ideas?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes.  what'd you think o fthem?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> although -qa is a prettier name for testing
[04:15] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i spoke with someone in -testers today - about that they could report in the section on the forums if they felt more comfortable.  also, the wiki page for kubuntu cd testing changed
[04:15] <Hobbsee> (there were two)
[04:16] <mhb> Hobbsee: the problem is, testers are an open team, so they should not have access to bug severity changing
[04:17] <mhb> Hobbsee: and a brand new team would not have many members, although I might be wrong
[04:17] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes.  i'm not convinced that a separate -qa, separate to ubuntu-qa is the way to go
[04:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: but it's probably hard to get into ubuntu-qa, isn't it?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: seeing as: 1.  kubuntu/ubuntu bugs arent split  2.  that doesnt encourage people to triage kubuntu bugs - it separates them
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: nto really.  it's about as hard as i'd push people to get into -qa, assuming i had a part in it.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: do the bugwork, ask, get in.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: but you *have* to do the bugwork first
[04:18] <Hobbsee> cant see why k-qa would be any different
[04:18] <Hobbsee> sfllaw is a nice guy, so's dholbach
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mhb: btw, without a set email address, all members will get bugmail
[04:20] <Hobbsee> so i suspect you'll get some leaving when it gets used more anyway
[04:24] <mhb> Hobbsee: members of ubuntu-qa get all bugmail?
[04:24] <mhb> even from kubuntu, xubuntu etc?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: er, i dont think they're sbuscribed to anything.  i meant -testers
[04:24] <Hobbsee> unless they have a specified mailing address, all members of the team get the bugmail
[04:25] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'm not sure it's a good idea to split the small supply of bugtriagers more than we have to, anyway
[04:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: will think on it more though
[04:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: i favour getting things done over beaurocracy, if we can :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> mhb: mind you, the person who has the most badges on LP wins!
[04:34] <hunger> How can I stop guidance-power-manager to offer suspend-to-disk?
[04:35] <hunger> pitti says that is not the job of hal to report this but a config setting of the p-m used.
[04:36] <hunger> In my case the brand of laptop I use is capable of suspend-to-disk (which is what hal reports), but due to config issues this particular laptop can not.
[04:37] <fdoving> i belive g-p-m relies on hal to report correct information.
[04:38] <hunger> fdoving: hal reports "this brand of laptop does support suspend-to-disk" which is correct.
[04:38] <fdoving> then i think you need to hack the script to remove it from the menus.
[04:38] <hunger> fdoving: pitti claims that this is what it should do... my "this laptop can't" is a config issue of the p-m according to him.
[04:39] <hunger> fdoving: guidance-power-manager offers it (and queries that info from hal).
[04:39] <fdoving> i know.
[04:39] <hunger> fdoving: g-p-m does so too:-(
[04:40] <fdoving> i have the same "problem".. the ondemand governor does not work for me.
[04:40] <fdoving> but guidance-powermanager is smart enought to fallback to userspace on the dynamic setting.. instead of just crashing.
[04:41] <fdoving> i belive it would be harded to "fallback" to suspend, on hibernate.
[04:41] <hunger> fdoving: here is suspends to a encrypted swap partition... and of course fails to resume afterwards.
[04:41] <fdoving> exactly.
[04:42] <fdoving> that makes it harder.. as 'suspend' works.. but resume fails..
[04:42] <hunger> fdoving: I am looking for some way to tell *all* p-m my users might end up using that suspend-to-disk is not an option:-(
[04:42] <fdoving> I belive the easiest way would be to override some hal setting in the policies.
[04:42] <fdoving> wouldn't it?
[04:42] <fdoving> 'hey HAL, I don't want to support hibernation'.
[04:43] <fdoving> that would be easier than rewriting all powermanager interfaces.
[04:43] <hunger> fdoving: That is what I thought. pitti says that is not the way to go und deverted my bugreport to g-p-m instead of hal.
[04:43] <fdoving> strange.
[04:43] <fdoving> I don't belive it's a bug though.
[04:43] <fdoving> It's a user-created-special-issue.
[04:44] <hunger> fdoving: It is a misfeature. How else to report it but via launchpad?
[04:45] <hunger> fdoving: Having the option to tweak settings is not a user-created-special-issue!
[04:45] <fdoving> I mean, i don't consider it a guidance-powermanager bug, nor a gnome-power-manager-thing bug.
[04:45] <hunger> fdoving: Neither do I. that is why i reported a bug against hal that it seems impossible to change the relevant setting.
[04:46] <fdoving> hunger: i agree, but i don't understand why one can't use HAL to do this.
[04:47] <fdoving> you can set policies on everything else.. like mount options for usb-storage devices and all..
[04:48] <hunger> fdoving: Well, maybe you can change that setting in hal as well. I have not found any useable documentation on hal yet:-(
[04:48] <Lure> hunger: add disableHibernate to power-managerrc
[04:48] <Lure> hunger: in Feisty
[04:48] <hunger> Lure: power-managerrc?
[04:48] <Lure> hunger: this is also respected in ksmserver logout dialog
[04:48] <Lure> ~/.kde/share/config/power-managerrc
[04:49] <Lure> disableHibernate=1
[04:49] <Lure> and disableSuspend=1
[04:49] <hunger> Lure: I got several users... and they use kubuntu-, ubuntu- and xubuntu-desktop:-( I'd love to have something global.
[04:50] <Lure> hunger: gnome-power-manager has this in gconf
[04:50] <Lure> hunger: look at sources of casper package which disables it for Live CD
[04:52] <Lure> hunger: I think there is gconf command line
[04:53] <hunger> Lure: Any idea how to disable this for all kde users? Without them being able to override it again?
[04:53] <Lure> hunger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/60442/comments/40
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Fix released] 
[04:54] <Lure> hunger: set it in global power-managerrc file
[04:54] <fdoving> hunger: root@light:~# hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key power_management.can_hibernate --bool false
[04:54] <fdoving> hunger: then check with 'lshal'.
[04:54] <fdoving> I got a furniture delivery. bbl.
[04:54] <Lure> fdoving: that should be general, yes
[04:54] <hunger> fdoving: Thanks!
[04:54] <hunger> Lure: Thanks, too!
[04:55] <hunger> fdoving: Does not work. hibernate is still offered.
[05:00] <hunger> fdoving: You need to run that command with can_suspend_to_disk in addition to can_hibernate.
[05:04] <pinheiro> seele: hi
[05:04] <pinheiro> what do you think?
[05:05] <seele> ooh, so quick.  lemme check my mail
[05:05] <seele> pinheiro: <3++
[05:05] <seele> im going to forward this to ellen, i think shell love them too :)
[05:06] <pinheiro> cool
[05:06] <pinheiro> next choose a basic color so then you can have litle images with a personalised box
[05:08] <fdoving> hunger: ok. noted. but with both it works. can you check with can_suspend_to_disk only?
[05:30] <seele> pinheiro: what do you mean by choose colors?
[05:31] <pinheiro> http://conference2006.kde.org/images/label_odfday.png
[05:32] <pinheiro> akademy 2006 green
[05:32] <pinheiro> http://developernew.kde.org/images/2/27/Devel-button.png
[05:33] <seele> ooh
[05:33] <pinheiro> developers new black (previs version)
[05:33] <pinheiro> that way each site can be part of somthig (kde) and have its hown thing
[05:36] <seele> pinheiro: orange?
[05:37] <pinheiro> ok
[05:38] <pinheiro> i love orange
[05:38] <pinheiro> will sent you orange versions in a sec
[05:38] <Jucato> :O
[05:47] <pinheiro> seele: think brown goes nicer with them
[05:48] <seele> pinheiro: youre the artist :)
[05:48] <pinheiro> :P
[05:50] <pinheiro> six versions must chose one :P
[05:50] <pinheiro> sent
[05:52] <pinheiro> can also make a kinda image for the site that shows several diferebt colored computers and some sad with some kind catchy frase
[05:52] <pinheiro> usabulitize you kde
[05:53] <pinheiro> or somthing
[05:57] <iankesterhaney> hello, my feisty fawn update manager crashes after asking if i want to upgrade tio a newer version, if i press cancel it bombs out.  aptitude and synaptic work though.
[05:58] <seele> pinheiro: ellen and i like the orange and blue.. she likes the light blue more and i dont have a preference
[05:59] <pinheiro> ok
[05:59] <pinheiro> its a decision
[05:59] <pinheiro> i will do the image now and cosider this another joob well done :)
[05:59] <pinheiro> oo i need a slogan
[06:00] <Riddell> pinheiro: what's the artwork?
[06:00] <pinheiro> for the kde usability site
[06:01] <Riddell> iankesterhaney: that's a known problem thanks, the code is at an early stage
[06:01] <iankesterhaney> thank you
[06:19] <pinheiro> seele: can you try to define me usabilyti
[06:20] <pinheiro> so i can try to come out with a nice slogan for a nice image im making :)
[06:25] <Jucato> mhb: you there? wasn't your proposal about changing the widget style for feisty, not the windeco? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue27#head-2feef2e65041158ba89cdc25fd5971a8dffdbe32
[06:28] <seele> pinheiro: ill have to think about that and get back to you
[06:29] <pinheiro> oki
[06:29] <pinheiro> i will send 2 pick for inspiration
[06:30] <pinheiro> try to picture the slogan there
[06:53] <pinheiro> seele: check mail
[07:26] <Riddell> gosh, I just got a support request from Clark Kent
[07:26] <fdoving> wow, superman contacted you! :)
[07:26] <Riddell> spose I should answer it before he blows my house away or something
[07:26] <toma> internet is everywhere
[07:29] <pinheiro> hehhehe
[07:29] <\sh> even in metropolis
[07:29] <pinheiro> yea
[10:55] <Lure> should we do something similar for kubuntu?
[10:55] <Lure> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16890&limit=no&threshold=-1
[11:03] <mhb> Lure: bug 78568
[11:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78568 in kubuntu-meta "kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78568
[11:04] <mhb> Lure: in other words: I guess we should, because people already said they want it ... I don't know if somebody is working on that, though
[11:04] <Lure> mhb: thanks for reference to bug - let's wait what Riddell thinks