[12:14] <h3sp4wn> !simple backport
[12:14] <tamacracka> why am i gettin this at a webpage:
[12:14] <tamacracka> Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect] : Host '67.55.90.58' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in F:\web\albumbase\config-slave.php on line 21
[12:14] <tamacracka> Couldn't connect to MySQL. MySQL said: Host '67.55.90.58' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about simple backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <tamacracka> ack ><
[12:14] <gan|y|med> and how is the ati config tool called??
[12:15] <jordo23> h3sp4wn when I plug it in it is autodected by Kubuntu as a camera....
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: aticonfig --initial (aticonfig --help will tell you)
[12:17] <kubuntero> jordo23: Kubuntu is right :)
[12:17] <kubuntero> I'ts using a kodak Protocol
[12:17] <jordo23> kubuntero:  Huh?
[12:17] <jordo23> Oh.....okay
[12:17] <gan|y|med> no, i need the name of the frontend
[12:17] <gan|y|med> any idea about the weird mesa thing???
[12:17] <jordo23> kubuntero: Any idea how to transfer files to and from it?
[12:18] <kubuntero> jordo23: I could explain more fully if you like but the iRive is annoucing it self as a camera with storage that happens to be media
[12:18] <notech> jordo23: the H10 must be started in 'rescue' type mode to be used, dunno if your app will work though. i tend to just mount mine manually as a storage device
[12:18] <kubuntero> jordo23: get Amarok 1.4.4
[12:18] <kubuntero> It speaks mtp
[12:18] <kubuntero> <microsoft transfer Protocol>
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: http://www.albertomilone.com/driver_dapper.html
[12:18] <jordo23> notech: How do you mount it?
[12:19] <jordo23> jordo23 = noob
[12:19] <jordo23> :)
[12:19] <jordo23> Any idea how to reset the device too (hard reset)
[12:19] <dwidmann> alright, among other things, I've change mirrors, and my download seems to be going smoothly, junocdx
[12:19] <andreasw> If I go into folder properties (Konqueror) I have two times a tab for sharing what is the difference?
[12:20] <notech> jordo23: i create a mount point and then tail -f /var/log/messages to see what /dev/ it's given and mount -t auto /dev/whatever /mnt/point
[12:20] <notech> think kubuntu uses /media instead of /mnt
[12:21] <dwidmann> andreasw, two different types of sharing, I think
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> It is the lsb specification that specifies using /media
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> You could mount into /proc if you wanted to
[12:21] <jordo23> notech:  Am new at mounting drives.....can you walk me through it?
[12:21] <andreasw> dwidmann: yes but what is what, one smb and one nfs most probable
[12:21] <andreasw> dwidmann: it would also be better to give the tabs different names
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> !pmount
[12:22] <notech> jordo23: i don't have my h10 instructions with me to see again how to start it in the right mode
[12:22] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: maybe you want pmount (so you don't need sudo
[12:23] <andreasw> dwidmann: sometimes I wish there was better documentation and a better naming policy for fhe GUI under Linux ;)
[12:24] <jordo23> h3sp4wn: I checked and have pmount installed......what's the command?
[12:25] <dwidmann> andreasw: I agree, it needs to be changed.
[12:25] <jordo23> is amarok upgradable to 1.4.4 through apt?
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> just tried kmail in kubuntu for the first time in a while, for some strange reason it hasnt been patched with the spam filter tool
[12:25] <jordo23> running edgy
[12:26] <fones> wedgeV: sorry to bother you again
[12:26] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: What distro?
[12:26] <fones> but do you know why i can't copy folders to my external drives?
[12:26] <dwidmann> junocdx: it seems to be going smooth as silk for me
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: kubuntu
[12:26] <fones> or create new folders/files
[12:26] <cloakable> *version
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: edgy
[12:26] <dwidmann> junocdx, which apt mirror are you using?
[12:26] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: Sorry, version. Edgy?
[12:26] <cloakable> Ahh.
[12:26] <wedgeV> fones: are they fat32?
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: nothing in the repo either
[12:27] <fones> i'm not sure
[12:27] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: Should be Tools > Anti-Spam Wizzard under KMail
[12:27] <eilker> !frozen bubble
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frozen bubble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <wedgeV> fones: type 'mount' in a terminal
[12:27] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: That's where it is on mine
[12:27] <fones> oh wait i might have figured it out
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: pmount /dev/sd??
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: aaah, not obvious
[12:28] <fones> nevermind, i tried to change the permissions
[12:28] <fones> when you right-click on the folder
[12:28] <dwidmann> with regards to spam filtering, does anyone have an opinion about bogofilter vs spamassassin, which one catches more spam for you?
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: should be a icon in the main bar too like all the other clients
[12:28] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: Very not obvious :)
[12:28] <jordo23> h3sp4wn   should it be pmount /media/sd   ??
[12:28] <wedgeV> fones: type 'mount' in a terminal, it will tell you the filesystem type
[12:28] <fones> k
[12:28] <kubuntero> jordo23: Yes
[12:28] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: Running it puts a couple of buttons on your toolbar :)
[12:29] <fones> ntfs
[12:29] <jordo23> kubuntero: Can I upgrade to 1.4.4 through an apt-package?
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: depends what the device name is
[12:29] <kubuntero> eilker: You want Frozen Bubble?
[12:29] <kubuntero> jordo23: Yes you can
[12:29] <kubuntero> !amarok
[12:29] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[12:29] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: yep noticed, I havent used kmail in a while because of the lack of good html support, seems to work now
[12:29] <jordo23> h3sp4wn:  sd being the device name?
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: dmesg | tail -20
[12:29] <wedgeV> fones: well, thats bad. kubuntu doesnt come with a ntfs driver that supports writing
[12:29] <sleepy495> h3lsp4wn, should I follow that guide or install nvidia via envy?
[12:29] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: Yeah
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: (that should tell you)
[12:30] <fones> oh no
[12:30] <eilker> kubuntero: yes i just wanna see it
[12:30] <Vlan> hi, I've installed Fiesty and my old /dev/hda now detects as /dev/sda anyone has that too?
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> sleepy495: I would follow that guide it uses deb's not the nvidia installer
[12:30] <kubuntero> !info frozenbubble
[12:30] <sleepy495> ok
[12:30] <fones> is tehre any way to fix that?
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> Vlan: to be expected
[12:30] <ubotu> Package frozenbubble does not exist in any distro I know
[12:30] <jordo23> h3sp4wn: What am I looking for there?  Ran the command...
[12:30] <wedgeV> fones: umm... i dont know if its possible with the live cd
[12:30] <dwidmann> !info frozen-bubble
[12:30] <fones> that's ok, i can still burn data dvds with live yeah?
[12:30] <Vlan> h3sp4wn:why?
[12:30] <wedgeV> fones: there is a driver which supports writing, but you'd have to install it
[12:30] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: what the device name is I presume you plugged it in last
[12:31] <Jucato> !frozen-bubble | kubuntero
[12:31] <kubuntero> Whoops missed a key stroke :)
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> Vlan: libata it was been a spec for ages
[12:31] <eilker> thank you
[12:31] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: allot better than the last time I used kmail (about a year ago)
[12:31] <kubuntero> Jucato: Not me! eilker
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> Vlan: /j #ubuntu+1
[12:31] <wedgeV> fones: i think you can, i never used the live cd
[12:31] <Jucato> kubuntero: oh :)
[12:31] <kubuntero> Jucato: plus ubotu doesn't play that way
[12:31] <kubuntero> The one in the repos is too old anyway
[12:31] <wedgeV> fones: k3b is the standard kde burning program
[12:31] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: Hehe
[12:31] <Vlan> h3sp4wn:is that means that it now be sda?
[12:32] <kubuntero> THe new one has network multiplayer!
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> Vlan: Is it working properly ?
[12:32] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: now to figure out how you get the contacts stuff working
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> Vlan: sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[12:32] <Jucato> kubuntero: you're telling me that ubotu doesn't work that way?
[12:32] <Vlan> h3sp4wn:yes but it confuses me a little
[12:33] <jordo23> h3sp4wn:   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/855515
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> Vlan: They want to depreciate the old ide code - the serial ata code is newer an more maintainable
[12:33] <fones> yeah i think its on here
[12:33] <Vlan> h3sp4wn:thanks i got it now
[12:33] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: I dont really need the filter because i have a server side filter already
[12:33] <jordo23> Kpackage also states that the latest Kubuntu edgy version of amarok is 1.4.3.....how to get 1.4.4?
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> cloakable: its just good to know how to do it
[12:34] <dwidmann> jordo23 deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144 edgy main
[12:34] <cloakable> Linux_Galore: I use the filter :)
[12:34] <thompa> !beryl
[12:34] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:36] <fones> it says i need something called cdrdao
[12:37] <gan|y|med> i have problems with fglrx and mesa (again). it just does NOT use fglrx opengl acceleration
[12:37] <gan|y|med> yesterday it worked
[12:37] <fones> wedgeV: what's the ntfs driver called? i'll try and install that and see if that works
[12:37] <wedgeV> ntfs-3g
[12:38] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: look for the error in /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[12:38] <deniselew> hi im a windows refugee how do i get things to auto run
[12:38] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: search for DRI
[12:38] <jordo23> When my iriver was autodetected as a camera....this is what was in the konqueror line when opeining in new window:  camera://iRiver H10@[usb:002,004] /
[12:38] <fones> ok i'll see if i can find it
[12:39] <wedgeV> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[12:39] <wedgeV> ^ fones
[12:39] <gan|y|med> DRI is set to 0666
[12:40] <wedgeV> i have no idea if that will work with the livecd though
[12:40] <gan|y|med> DRI initialization failed!
[12:40] <wedgeV> it probably will though
[12:40] <Vlan> i think file sharing does'nt work properly if Fiesty
[12:41] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: yea, it will say why it failed
[12:41] <gan|y|med> any idea what this is supposed to mean: driver needs X.org 7.1.x.y with x.y >= 0.0 | detected X.org 7.1.1.0
[12:41] <gan|y|med> short before
[12:42] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: thats fine
[12:42] <gan|y|med> (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)
[12:43] <gan|y|med> that's what it says
[12:43] <gan|y|med> but i have used the same driver that previously worked
[12:43] <wedgeV> gan|y|med:  lsmod | grep fglrx
[12:43] <gan|y|med> it is there
[12:44] <jordo23> Jucato: What version of amarok under edgy do you run?
[12:44] <TheDebugger> 1.4.3 iirc
[12:44] <Jucato> !amarok
[12:44] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[12:44] <Jucato> 1.4.4 iirc
[12:44] <Jucato> !info amarok
[12:44] <TheDebugger> Hmm, i got 1.4.3 and running edgy
[12:44] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[12:44] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: can you paste the whole file to some site?
[12:44] <jordo23> Jucato: How do I upgrade to 1.4.4 if it says I already have the latest version at 1.4.3?
[12:44] <Jucato> 1.4.3 is default in Edgy
[12:44] <wedgeV> does this channel have a pasty?
[12:45] <Jucato> jordo23, TheDebugger: you can get Amarok 1.4.4 from kubuntu.org
[12:45] <gan|y|med> ok, now it is not. but the last time i started it was
[12:45] <gan|y|med> one mom
[12:45] <gan|y|med> last time i had the module started and it was in the logs and mesa was used anyway
[12:45] <gan|y|med> argh
[12:45] <jordo23> Jucato: Manual install or through apt?
[12:46] <Jucato> jordo23: through apt, but you have to add the kubuntu.org repository
[12:46] <gan|y|med> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/996/
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> hmm kontacts doesnt intergrate with kmail in a single screen, not good
[12:47] <jordo23> Jucato: What line to add to sources.list?
[12:47] <wedgeV> deb http://www.kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144 edgy main
[12:47] <Jucato> jordo23: go to kubuntu.org
[12:47] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you also have a default sources.list for Kubuntu?
[12:47] <Jucato> the instructions are there
[12:47] <Jucato> wedgeV: you also have to add the GPG key
[12:47] <wedgeV> oh, right
[12:48] <wedgeV> i never add them, i dont trust the packages anyway
[12:48] <Jucato> but if you don't add them, apt-get update fails, iirc
[12:49] <gan|y|med> ok
[12:49] <jordo23> wedgeV: Thanks though...
[12:49] <gan|y|med> recompiled the module, restarted x server
[12:49] <Jucato> anyway, kubuntu.org repositories can be trusted, since they are packaged and signed by Jonathan Riddell.
[12:49] <gan|y|med> fglrx is loaded
[12:49] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: not working ?
[12:49] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you have a default sources.list for edgy?
[12:50] <gan|y|med> but fglrxinfo now causes a restart of the x server
[12:50] <gan|y|med> wedgeV: so no
[12:50] <jordo23> or does anyone?
[12:50] <wedgeV> Jucato: it just complains :)
[12:50] <kubuntero> !SOURCEOMATIC
[12:50] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:50] <Jucato> jordo23: a copy? right now I don't
[12:50] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: which version of the drivers are you using?
[12:50] <Jucato> !source-o-matic | jordo23
[12:50] <jordo23> Is sources.list the same under kubuntu than Ubuntu? Or different repositories all together?
[12:50] <ubotu> jordo23: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:51] <gan|y|med> ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run
[12:51] <gan|y|med> wedgeV: used to work
[12:51] <Jucato> jordo23: all (official) *buntus share the same repos
[12:51] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: hmm, i think i had the same problems with that version, i'm now using 8.32.5
[12:51] <gan|y|med> but it used to work?!?
[12:52] <gan|y|med> i am trying the other one
[12:52] <wedgeV> ok
[12:52] <jordo23> Jucato: thanks.....remember the other day when you had me install kubuntu-desktop meta package, I didn't know if I had to change my sources.list....thanks though...
[12:52] <wedgeV> i use the default edgy ones because your version crashed X with fglxinfo
[12:52] <Jucato> jordo23: ah. you don't need to change
[12:52] <wedgeV> i used
[12:53] <jordo23> Jucato: Jordo23 gets confused easily.... :)
[12:53] <scifi> anyone use pysdm at all ?
[12:53] <Jucato> jordo23: jordo23 needs to take deep breaths more often :)
[12:54] <fones> do .rpm files install in kubuntu or should i get the .deb file instead?
[12:54] <wedgeV> fones: .deb
[12:54] <fones> thanks
[12:55] <jordo23> Is there a way in Pico to select all text and delete?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> bah azureus is till a hog and nat / upnp is still out to lunch ...I'll stick wit ktorrent
[12:56] <jordo23> nevermind
[12:56] <jordo23> Jucato: Go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:57] <fones> once you click on the .deb file it opens up in Ark
[12:57] <fones> from there i am lost
[12:57] <fones> heh
[12:58] <wedgeV> what deb are you downloading?
[12:58] <denisel> hi i was in here last night trying to get my java working still no luck
[12:58] <gan|y|med> wedgeV: no, doesn't work
[12:58] <fones> bittorrent
[12:58] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: still crashes the server?
[12:58] <gan|y|med> wedgeV: fglrx is loaded, fglrxinfo works again (no restart), but still mesa
[12:59] <scifi> did grant any user access to a drive, what would the permissions syntax be ?
[12:59] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: paste me you /var/log/Xorg.log.0 again
[12:59] <fones> i was told to download something called winpe
[12:59] <fones> which i found a torrent for
[01:00] <gan|y|med> fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled | fglrx(0): Direct rendering disabled
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: lsmod | grep fglrx
[01:00] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: paste the full to that site again
[01:00] <fones> but once i  got the .deb file i'm not sure what to do with it to install
[01:00] <fones> for bittorrent
[01:00] <denisel> everything is enabled
[01:01] <Jucato> denisel: how is it not working?
[01:01] <wedgeV> fones: well to install a .deb you have to save it, then "dpkg -i file" to install it
[01:01] <RavenTux> What would the command be to see what % my notebook battery is at?
[01:01] <fones> thanks wedgeV
[01:02] <gan|y|med> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/997/
[01:02] <gan|y|med> too late
[01:02] <denisel> when i go to play my euchre game on yahoo it says game cant be played on this server i was here for hours trying to get it to work
[01:02] <gan|y|med> X Window System Version 7.1.1
[01:02] <gan|y|med> Release Date: 12 May 2006
[01:02] <gan|y|med> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
[01:02] <gan|y|med> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.15.7 i686
[01:02] <gan|y|med> Current Operating System: Linux talib 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686
[01:02] <kubuntero> :-)
[01:02] <denisel> it was not installed properly
[01:03] <denisel> java i mean
[01:03] <fones> wedgeV: i got nothing but errors
[01:03] <fones> my guess is because this is a live cd?
[01:03] <Jucato> denisel: are you using Konqueror or firefox?
[01:03] <gan|y|med> i am sorry. there was still the older cache enabled
[01:03] <denisel> i tryed both
[01:03] <Jucato> denisel: for firefox, you need to install "sun-java5-plugin"
[01:04] <denisel> i just want to play a card game
[01:04] <Jucato> you don't need to do that for Konqueror
[01:04] <gan|y|med> it should have pasted:  fglrx       415436  0 | agpgart 34888  2 fglrx,intel_agp
[01:04] <Jucato> denisel: also, you installed "sun-java5-bin" or "sun-java5-jre" right?
[01:04] <kubuntero> denisel: sudo apt-get install kpat
[01:04] <gan|y|med> wedgeV: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/997/
[01:04] <wedgeV> fones: i'm not sure, who told you to get winpe anyways?
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: dpkg-divert --list | grep fglrx (is libGL1.so diverted)
[01:05] <fones> a friend of mine told me i should get it cause it's like a windows live cd, and easier for me to understand :)
[01:05] <Aapzak> gan|y|med: You do have a DRI error in your logfile
[01:05] <gan|y|med> i know
[01:05] <Jucato> denisel: after you have install that, you need to run this command "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and choose the sun java version
[01:05] <gan|y|med> but why?
[01:05] <gan|y|med> it loads Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so
[01:05] <Aapzak> dunno
[01:06] <gan|y|med> seems to be the mesa lib
[01:06] <denisel> theres none that say sun
[01:06] <gan|y|med> h3sp4wn: no output
[01:06] <Aapzak> no forum topics on it?
[01:06] <gan|y|med> a lot, but don't help
[01:06] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: i suppose your module and X driver are the same version?
[01:06] <gan|y|med> that thing has been around for years
[01:06] <kubuntero> denisel: sudo apt-get install kpat
[01:06] <kubuntero> :-)
[01:06] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:07] <gan|y|med> it is loaded
[01:07] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: well.... you X log doesnt really say why it fails
[01:07] <fones> reason being, is because i don't think i can backup my files with this kubuntu live cd
[01:07] <kubuntero> fones: It can work but Windows Live CD is a stretch
[01:07] <wedgeV> usually it contains enough info to figur out what is wrong
[01:07] <fones> kubuntero: i figured it was
[01:07] <denisel> it said it was already there
[01:07] <gan|y|med> should i change /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so to point to /usr/lib/xorg
[01:07] <fones> i only have to backup like 10 files
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: did you use the ati.com installer ?
[01:08] <fones> it is proving rather difficult to do so
[01:08] <wedgeV> fones: how big are they?
[01:08] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: Why ?
[01:08] <gan|y|med> which used to work
[01:08] <fones> some are big
[01:08] <wedgeV> fones: if they fit on a usb stick...
[01:08] <gan|y|med> because it works
[01:08] <fones> i wish they did
[01:08] <denisel> it said kpat was the newest version
[01:08] <gan|y|med> i just had to disable composite
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: you should at least generate deb's
[01:08] <wedgeV> the ati installer creates debs
[01:08] <jordo23> kubuntero:  You still here?
[01:09] <gan|y|med> doesn't work because it cannot find pushd (which is installed and in PATH)
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: Only if you ask it to
[01:09] <Aapzak> gan|y|med: edgy, right?
[01:09] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: oh, use bash instead of dash
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: in which case fglrx would divert libGL
[01:09] <jordo23> kubuntero: I installed 1.4.4.....how do I get it to recognize my iriver?
[01:09] <gan|y|med> i am using bash (sudo bash)
[01:09] <wedgeV> yea, but the ati installer isnt
[01:09] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:10] <wedgeV> you have to link /bin/bash to /bin/sh
[01:10] <Aapzak> I see a post from 10/21/2006 about this, a fix fix < edgy but not for edgy
[01:10] <wedgeV> some genius decided to use dash instead of bash of /bin/sh
[01:10] <gan|y|med> but i have changed libGL* in /usr/lib to point to /usr/lib/xorg
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> And a great idea it was
[01:10] <wedgeV> s/of/for/
[01:10] <wedgeV> yes
[01:10] <Aapzak> gan|y|med: have you checked the kernel messages?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn>  /bin/sh should not act like bash
[01:11] <kubuntero> jordo23: Should have a section that says media devices
[01:11] <Aapzak> maybe kernel rejects
[01:11] <wedgeV> well it should make stuff work
[01:11] <wedgeV> not break
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> Things work perfectly if people write /bin/sh scripts that call /bin/sh
[01:11] <wedgeV> and complaining that scripts should use /bin/bash isnt going to help
[01:11] <wedgeV> yea, but peiple dont
[01:12] <wedgeV> so whats the point...
[01:12] <jordo23> kubuntero: Yeah....I tried to auto detect....and it states it finds an iriver device.....but when hitting connect it says failed to connect....
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: faster
[01:12] <kubuntero> jordo23: Hmm
[01:12] <wedgeV> who cares if its faster when it breaks most stuff
[01:12] <kubuntero> jordo23: May want to tell the guys in #amarok
[01:13] <Aapzak> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143283&highlight=ati+driver+howto
[01:13] <Aapzak> gan|y|med: you probably allready read thatone
[01:13] <Aapzak> but it fits your problem perfectly
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: most stuff should be fixed
[01:13] <wedgeV> what about the ati installer then
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: kano managed to do it with a bash script (works on debian and ubuntu)
[01:14] <gan|y|med> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/999/
[01:14] <wedgeV> umm
[01:15] <wedgeV> module wrong version
[01:15] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: its the old one
[01:15] <gan|y|med> i know
[01:15] <gan|y|med> ok, cu in a min
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> !blacklist
[01:15] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: No reason to ever run that installer interactively anyway
[01:16] <cntb> please join  downloading  from torrent http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en this edgy ubuntu install dvds
[01:16] <fdoving> cntb: around?
[01:16] <wedgeV> h3sp4wn: it fails anyways
[01:16] <cntb> fdoving ?
[01:16] <andreasw> under BSD it is also really annoying if you try to run a script wich uses /bin/sh but is written for bash...
[01:16] <fdoving> cntb: can you please stop announcing that page?
[01:17] <fdoving> cntb: there are no torrents anyway, as far as i can see.
[01:17] <cntb> fdoving:  why do you ask me this ?
[01:17] <Jucato> cntb: scroll up a bit
[01:17] <fdoving> cntb: because the random spamming is annoying.
[01:17] <cntb> jucato I need some help
[01:18] <cntb> this torrent is legitimate
[01:18] <Jucato> still, it's spamming
[01:18] <Aapzak> spamming irc isn't :)
[01:18] <gan|y|med> doesn't show anything in the logs now
[01:18] <Aapzak> and ...?
[01:18] <cntb> spamming ? ok . you dont want to help
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: bash ati-installer.sh $VER --buildpkg ubuntu/dapper (works perfectly here with /bin/sh = dash)
[01:19] <cntb> jucato you probably have a fast internet
[01:19] <wedgeV> yea, but remove that bash in front and it doesnt work
[01:19] <gan|y|med> what is this doing: /etc/ati/fglrxrc
[01:19] <gan|y|med> ??
[01:19] <cntb> I am waiting for those dvds for more than 10 days
[01:19] <kubuntero> cntb: You should have gone to shipit.ubuntu.com then
[01:20] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: profiles for applications
[01:20] <cntb> any dvds there ?
[01:20] <andreasw> wedgeV: because the ATI guys programmed a bash script not a sh script
[01:20] <wedgeV> yea i know
[01:20] <Jucato> cntb: do I don't have a fast internet
[01:20] <Aapzak> cntb: why are you downloading 3 dvd's if it takes tthat long?
[01:20] <cntb> and fast torrents on shipit.ubuntu.com ?
[01:20] <wedgeV> i just dont understand why the ubuntu guys changed from bash to dash
[01:21] <cntb> aapzak
[01:21] <wedgeV> well actually i understand
[01:21] <wedgeV> but i dont agree ;)
[01:21] <Aapzak> :)
[01:21] <wedgeV> nv
[01:21] <fdoving> cntb: i won't force you to stop, i asked you to please stop. now it's entirely up to you. I'd appriciate if you stopped randomly repeating the same message in the channel. Thanks for understanding. :)
[01:21] <fdoving> nite all.
[01:21] <cntb> I have been installing more than 10 productions systems using apt-get and the internet
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> If you are incapable of fixing the app to work with /bin/sh - you should just use what is in the repos
[01:21] <Jucato> cntb: shipit only ships Dapper btw
[01:21] <intelikey> so ati driver is "bash" dependant ?
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: the installer uses bashism's
[01:22] <cntb> aapzak I want typical installs done independently
[01:22] <cntb> jucato see what I mean
[01:22] <cntb> check my ""spam link " again
[01:22] <cntb> edgy DVDs there
[01:22] <wedgeV> h3sp4wn: i prefer to line bash to sh instead
[01:22] <wedgeV> s/line/link
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: It doesn't need bash to work
[01:23] <cntb> why attack me misunderstanding my cause ??
[01:23] <Aapzak> I downloaded an edgy dvd today,  was very fast
[01:23] <andreasw> image gcc would be linked to g++
[01:23] <cntb> tyvm aapzak
[01:23] <cntb> more info pls aapzak ?
[01:23] <andreasw> everybody would write c++ code and compile it with gcc
[01:23] <jordo23> Who was instructing me on how to mount my iriver as a filesystem?
[01:23] <intelikey> h3sp4wn does it have bash specific code or just a bash call interpretor  #!/bin/bash    or does it actually use code that sh can't handle.
[01:23] <Jucato> cntb: you can modify your line to include more information so that it doesn't look like spam
[01:23] <Aapzak> cntb: you wish to download the entire repository
[01:23] <andreasw> than another system uses a pure c compiler and they could not compile it
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: It uses stuff sh cannot handle
[01:24] <cntb> aapzak wait
[01:24] <gan|y|med> is there a way to get version info on the fglrx module?
[01:24] <wedgeV> the point is people do write bash script and put /bin/sh in the shebang, and ubuntu broke all those scripts by changing from bash to dash for sh
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: you probably have 2 copies of fglrx.ko
[01:24] <gan|y|med> i have deleted all and reinstalled
[01:24] <andreasw> wedgeV: but that is wrong if they write bash scripts they need /bin/bash hehe
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: one from linux-restricted-modules
[01:24] <vulcanius> any of you here for the conversation earlier about VPS's I just signed up for an account at tektonic.net
[01:24] <gan|y|med> one mom
[01:24] <cntb> please join  downloading  edgy dvds
[01:24] <cntb> from torrent http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en this edgy ubuntu install dvds
[01:24] <intelikey> h3sp4wn then i hope that bash is listed amongst the dependancies.
[01:25] <vulcanius> I was billed at 6:54 and it was up and running at 7:08
[01:25] <cntb> is that better jucato ?
[01:25] <wedgeV> andreasw: yea, but thats not the point
[01:25] <Jucato> cntb: if you can fit it on one line :)
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: it sucks extremely badly (and ships as a self extracting .run
[01:25] <cntb> OK I know that jucato
[01:25] <Aapzak> cntb: I have no problem with downloading (if I had the HD space), but that site makes me build a complete repository I believe
[01:25] <gan|y|med> ok, now i have a flickering screen
[01:26] <gan|y|med> but it loaded the new version
[01:26] <gan|y|med> still mesa though. just the picture is worse
[01:26] <cntb> well aapzak I have a PC with sata drives 160 GB so
[01:26] <Aapzak> :)
[01:26] <intelikey> h3sp4wn (adjitives as you choose) that is very bad pratice indeed...
[01:26] <cntb> The best use I find Aapzak IS TO HAVE FULL INSTALLS LOCALLY
[01:27] <intelikey> practice
[01:27] <Aapzak> I understand
[01:27] <cntb> sorry for caps
[01:27] <andreasw> wedgeV: like I said before it is only under Linux a standard that sh is linked to bash under BSD bash isn't even installed by default.
[01:27] <Aapzak> aight
[01:27] <gan|y|med> any ideas?
[01:27] <Aapzak> gan|y|med: not really, sry
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: I would never use that installer - if I *needed* a newer version than in one of ubuntu+1 or debian experimental I would take it to bits and remake the package
[01:27] <Aapzak> I should goto sleep anyway guys .. ttyl
[01:27] <gan|y|med> still dri error
[01:27] <cntb> so the more connected to torrent , more efficient for anyone I believe so why not
[01:27] <cntb> join?
[01:28] <Aapzak> cntb: In the long run you're right
[01:28] <wedgeV> andreasw: yea, i know, i used freebsd for 5 years. but my point is why change from bash to dash, i dont see the benefits
[01:28] <cntb> btw is h3sp4wn line  spamming?
[01:28] <cntb> see above 3 lines
[01:28] <Aapzak> don't think so
[01:28] <andreasw> wedgeV: I even hope that more distributions will go the way ubuntu did and include a more strict sh interpreter
[01:28] <gan|y|med> ok i moved libGLcore to *bak, and now there is one again. this should be an ati install
[01:29] <cntb> point made ?
[01:29] <Aapzak> not really
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> cntb: only 1.25 lines here
[01:29] <wedgeV> so that people can complain to their support that scripts stopped working with the new release?
[01:29] <cntb> I neee a help to accelerate getting those edgy DVDs
[01:29] <Aapzak> about spamming, no
[01:29] <pete_> hey
[01:29] <andreasw> wedgeV: yes and than maybe the developers will think about changing /bin/sh to /bin/bash
[01:29] <wedgeV> andreasw: well, whats the benefit?
[01:30] <Aapzak> cntb: you do, but you make it look like random spamming, while h3sp4wn is engaged in a normal discussion
[01:30] <pete_> can somebody give me a link to info on connecting gto a wpa encrypted network?
[01:30] <andreasw> wedgeV: better code
[01:30] <wedgeV> andreasw: like what?
[01:30] <Aapzak> and you we're pasting from clipboard :)
[01:30] <wedgeV> andreasw: changing /bin/sh to /bin/bash doenst make code better
[01:30] <Aapzak> and gan|y|med ?
[01:31] <andreasw> wedgeV: of course because you now know that these scripts aren't sh scripts but bash ones
[01:31] <gan|y|med> took the aiglx disable stuff out and now the picture is normal again
[01:31] <andreasw> wedgeV: and someone not using linux will also know that he has to install bash to run these scripts
[01:31] <Aapzak> so basicly Ati still sucks on linux
[01:31] <cntb> aapzak going to sleep
[01:31] <gan|y|med> it worked
[01:31] <Aapzak> true
[01:31] <Ry-Fi|KDE> hey guys
[01:31] <gan|y|med> out of the box on dapper
[01:31] <wedgeV> andreasw: i agree that people should use the right shell
[01:31] <Ry-Fi|KDE> does anyone have any experience with XGL on kubuntu?
[01:32] <pete_> what is the best resource for wpa on kubuntu?
[01:32] <gan|y|med> and in edgy compositing is a problem, but that's all
[01:32] <Ry-Fi|KDE> er Beryl*
[01:32] <andreasw> wedgeV: well look were html is nowadays
[01:32] <Aapzak> composing on ati, or composing in general?
[01:32] <Aapzak> compositing
[01:32] <andreasw> wedgeV: nobody cares about standards and the webbrowsers somehow interpret html code
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> the right shell (for me) being zsh - scripts /bin/sh or /bin/ksh
[01:33] <gan|y|med> ati drivers don't support it, edgy activates it by default, result: problem
[01:33] <gan|y|med> but it is off!
[01:33] <Aapzak> good
[01:33] <gan|y|med> i don't get this
[01:33] <Aapzak> I have nvidia which has aiglx buildin
[01:33] <Aapzak> the drivers
[01:33] <wedgeV> yea well, i just dont agree with the "lets break it, so the developers have to fix their scripts" attitude
[01:33] <cntb> aapzak when are you going to sleep ?
[01:33] <Aapzak> soon cntb
[01:33] <Aapzak> soon
[01:34] <cntb> good night pal
[01:34] <Aapzak> nn
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> wedgeV: the scripts were broken to start with
[01:34] <gan|y|med> wedgeV: any other ideas?
[01:34] <wedgeV> of course the were, but they worked fine on ubuntu
[01:34] <wedgeV> so why break them
[01:34] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: umm, you have the right module version loaded now?
[01:35] <Minataku> genii! :D
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> I would say better to use lash than dash though (lash is more restrictive still)
[01:35] <gan|y|med> yes
[01:35] <cntb> jucato are you still against me asking ppl to join downloading edgy dvds?
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> !info lash feisty
[01:35] <ubotu> Package lash does not exist in feisty
[01:35] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: try building debs with the ati installer
[01:35] <gan|y|med> fglrx 8.32.5
[01:35] <andreasw> I am out good night good fight ^^
[01:35] <wedgeV> yea
[01:36] <wedgeV> night!
[01:36] <gan|y|med> cannot, doesn't find pushd. and i am in a bash
[01:36] <Jucato> cntb: nope. just do it in a way that's not "spamming" (like repeating after n minutes)
[01:36] <gan|y|med> ciao
[01:36] <Ry-Fi|KDE> when any of you have a spare moment i have a question about installing beryl on edgy
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> Ry-Fi|KDE: #ubuntu-xgl
[01:36] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: run it like "bash ati-installer...."
[01:36] <Ry-Fi|KDE> ah ok thank you h3sp4wn
[01:37] <cntb> so type it differently each invitation ? jucato ?
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> Ry-Fi|KDE: What is the question ?
[01:37] <JosefK> anyone managed to get realplayer running okay within konq?  I keep getting warning about not allowing scriptable plugins
[01:37] <Ry-Fi|KDE> well ive been following the tutorial
[01:37] <wedgeV> gan|y|med: its working that way, according to h3sp4wn
[01:37] <Ry-Fi|KDE> but when i get to the point of sudo apt-get install beryl emerald-themes
[01:37] <Ry-Fi|KDE> i get the error:
[01:37] <cntb> pls try that jucato
[01:37] <Ry-Fi|KDE> E: Couldn't find package beryl
[01:37] <cntb> get edgy ubuntu install dvds from torrents http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[01:37] <Jucato> cntb: just leave reasonable intervals between each...
[01:37] <fones> is there an easy way to install cdrdao? i looked in kynaptic but didn't see it there. k3b is telling me i need to install it in order to burn anything
[01:37] <jordo23> DOES anyone know how to setup an iriver h10 with amarok 1.4.4 (kubuntu)?
[01:38] <Jucato> hm.. still "looks" like spam...
[01:38] <cntb> like 1.5 hour ? jucato ?
[01:38] <Jucato> heh
[01:38] <wedgeV> fones: i think its in cdrtools
[01:38] <cntb> on two of the torrent links I have only one peer now pal
[01:38] <Ry-Fi|KDE> so its rather frustrating because ive copied the command verbaitum and im getting errors
[01:38] <fones> wedgeV: in kynaptic?
[01:39] <wedgeV> fones: i think
[01:39] <wedgeV> not sure though
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> gan|y|med: or you could use this script if you wanted - wget -Nc -O/usr/local/bin/install-fglrx-debian.sh http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh ; bash /usr/local/bin/install-fglrx-debian.sh (that has to be run from sudo -i works with deb's)
[01:39] <gan|y|med> oh, yes. i did sh ***
[01:39] <fones> i don't see cdrtools in kynaptic unfortunately
[01:39] <wedgeV> fones: its cdrdao
[01:39] <wedgeV> i just checked
[01:39] <pete_> hey is there a way to downoad packages to a cd so i can install them on a comp that doesnt have internet????
[01:40] <fones> ya
[01:40] <fones> i've looked i don't see it?
[01:40] <flaccid> !k3b > pete_
[01:40] <genii> back
[01:40] <rance> I need to ask for help with sound on kubuntu, Ive tried all the howto tricks I can try with TWO different sound cards, and no matter what I do, I dont get sound, the right kernel modules load, and everything *APPEARS* to be setup correctly, but yet no sound, right now I have an aopen cobra aw-850 5.1 surround sound card installed and just like the stock sound card, no sound output at speakers
[01:40] <wedgeV> pete_: they should all be in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:40] <fones> under sections which catagory is it in?
[01:40] <intelikey> !cdrdao
[01:40] <ubotu> cdrdao: records CDs in Disk-At-Once (DAO) mode. In component main, is extra. Version 1:1.2.1-6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 400 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[01:40] <genii> Minataku :)
[01:40] <cntb> jucato good news is I reached 62 % of the least finished  torrent download of edgy
[01:41] <pete_> ty wedgeV and flaccid
[01:41] <cntb> never mind I feel exhausted
[01:41] <Minataku> genii: :D
[01:41] <flaccid> np
[01:41] <pete_> wedgeV - how do i add the CD to adept as a repo?
[01:42] <fones> ya ive looked again in every catagory, i don't see it anywhere
[01:42] <wedgeV> fones: i think you need to add a repository to apt
[01:42] <wedgeV> pete_: dont know
[01:42] <pete_> k ty
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> pete_: apt-cdrom
[01:43] <pete_> aha ty
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> pete_: It has to be the alternative cd or you will only get a tiny amount of packages
[01:43] <fones> wedgeV: sure i can do that, not sure how though :)
[01:43] <gan|y|med> now i had to activate the aiglx disable stuff to get a "human readable" screen, but still mesa!
[01:44] <wedgeV> paste the full Xorg log again
[01:44] <wedgeV> fones: which version of the cd are you running?
[01:44] <wedgeV> fones: edgy?
[01:44] <fones> i am not sure, is there a way to find out?
[01:44] <pete_> h3sp4wn - i was planning on burning the pkgs I want from a comp with the pkgs i want, will that work or do I need a specific iso?
[01:45] <fones> i burned this live disc several months ago
[01:45] <wedgeV> fones: cat /etc/issue
[01:45] <fones> k
[01:46] <fones> ubuntu@dhcppc1:~$ cat /etc/issue
[01:46] <fones> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[01:46] <gan|y|med> did it as described, still mesa
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> pete_: they should all be in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> pete_: (unless you have specifically deleted them)
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> pete_: you can use dpkg --set-selections and apt-get dselect-upgrade to clone a machine
[01:47] <wedgeV> fones: well i got to go... you have to ask someone else. good night, and good luck!
[01:47] <fones> thanks for all the help :)
[01:47] <intelikey> cleared the cache ?     is there a cron job by default on dapper that clear the cache ?
[01:47] <wedgeV> yw
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> pete_: dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile
[01:48] <pete_> h3sp4wn - wow thanks man thats exactly what i want to do.
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> pete_: dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> pete_: You would need to copy the whole of /var/cache/apt/archives to minimize downloads
[01:48] <pete_> ok
[01:49] <fones> so if you guys got a sec
[01:49] <fones> i'm just trying to figure out now how to burn a disc, i just need to install cdrdao
[01:49] <fones> it is not listed in kynaptic
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> !info cdrdao
[01:50] <ubotu> cdrdao: records CDs in Disk-At-Once (DAO) mode. In component main, is extra. Version 1:1.2.1-6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 400 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[01:51] <pete_> he just to double check, the latest distro comes with ndiswrapper and wpa supplicant, right?
[01:51] <pete_> hey*\
[01:51] <fones> h3sp4wn: i saw that, but not sure how to install it
[01:51] <intelikey> h3sp4wn if we'll repete that about five more times they might catch on....  :/
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: repeat what ?
[01:52] <soulrider> intelikey: you have recompiled your own kernel right ?
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> fones: sudo aptitude install cdrdao
[01:52] <intelikey> i have soulrider
[01:52] <fones> thanks h3sp4wn
[01:52] <soulrider> im following http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560 but when i do "make xconfig" it tells me it cannot connect to xorg
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> use make menuconfig
[01:53] <intelikey> soulrider are you doing that within X ?
[01:53] <soulrider> uhm.. yes
[01:53] <soulrider> im using KDE now
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: Are you on dapper ?
[01:54] <intelikey> hmmm.    well as h3sp4wn said  "make menuconfig"   or is it  "make menu_config"    will work.
[01:54] <soulrider> in on edgy
[01:54] <soulrider> i get an error
[01:54] <soulrider> =/
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> There is a new way to rebuild kernels in edgy (but I never used it)
[01:54] <intelikey> what error ?
[01:55] <fones> h3sp4wn: not sure that worked
[01:55] <fones> said no candidate version found for cdrdao
[01:55] <fones> etc etc
[01:55] <soulrider> the rror is a bit big
[01:55] <soulrider> ill pastebin it
[01:55] <soulrider> !pastebin
[01:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:56] <soulrider> just a sec
[01:57] <fones> mine says
[01:57] <fones> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1003/
[01:57] <soulrider> !pastebin
[01:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:57] <gan|y|med> IT'S WORKING!
[01:57] <gan|y|med> IT'S WORKING!
[01:58] <soulrider> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1004/
[01:58] <gan|y|med> did the deb install, but for some reason the "load dri" line was missing from my xorg.conf (used to be there!)
[01:58] <gan|y|med> thx a lot to all you guys (and girls, just in case)
[02:00] <m_tadeu> g'night everyone
[02:00] <soulrider> nite nite
[02:00] <intelikey> soulrider you do have b-e installed ?
[02:00] <fones> weird that kubunut comes with burning software but not cdrdao which is required to use it
[02:00] <fones> kubuntu
[02:00] <m_tadeu> does anyone know if  its possible to change the font color for kmail system tray?
[02:01] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:01] <soulrider> sure i do intelikey
[02:01] <genii> !ping
[02:01] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[02:01] <intelikey> just making sure.
[02:02] <genii> I wonder if thats the ping from freenode since it never seems to change even when I'm on a faster or slower connection from here
[02:02] <soulrider> genii: your conenction speed doesnt really matter
[02:02] <intelikey> soulrider you need ncurses and ncurses-dev  or what ever the names are.... i'll check the names.
[02:02] <soulrider> at least not much
[02:03] <fones> if a candidate for cdrdao is not found, does it mean it's already installed somewhere?
[02:03] <soulrider> intelikey: installing....
[02:03] <fones> k3b insists that it is not
[02:03] <soulrider> fones: you enabled universe and multiverse ?
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> its in main
[02:03] <fones> soulrider: i'm not sure what you mean?
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> 00:51 < ubotu> cdrdao: records CDs in Disk-At-Once (DAO) mode. In component main
[02:04] <genii> soulrider Interesting that it's ttl should be 64 if it's actually more like 1 hop really :)
[02:04] <fones> sorry i don't know what main is
[02:04] <soulrider> intelikey: it works now!!
[02:05] <soulrider> !repos | fones
[02:05] <ubotu> fones: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:07] <intelikey> fones the package "cdrdao" is in ubuntu main repository.     it is a good idea to enable universe and multiverse   but i assure you that until you change the listing for main from only using the CD and to start using (at least also) the internet main repo you will not install cdrdao
[02:07] <fones> i'm using a live cd, does that make a difference?
[02:07] <intelikey> fones no
[02:08] <sleepy495> !repository
[02:08] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:08] <fones> i'm there right now
[02:09] <fones> i don't have adept though to follow the instructions
[02:09] <fones> i only see kynaptic
[02:09] <fones> for package management
[02:10] <soulrider> do the modules in my kernel slow it down ?
[02:10] <soulrider> or are they just compiled but not in use ?
[02:10] <Ertain> I'm trying to free up space on my computer.  What I would like to do is get rid of unnecessary files.  I know of how to get rid of files in my $HOME directory, but I'd also like to get rid of old programs and temp. cache.  Any ideas on how to do this easily?
[02:11] <intelikey> fones you can edit your your repos listings with ##  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list     ## make the first listing to look like this##     deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main universe multiverse restricted            ## save it and do ##  sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[02:11] <soulrider> Ertain: try using filelight, it will show you how your space is being used
[02:12] <Ertain> soulrider: Right-o then.
[02:12] <fones> i am confused as hell
[02:12] <fones> but i will give it a shot
[02:12] <Ertain> Don't worry, I'm usually like that.
[02:12] <fones> :)
[02:14] <zblach> hey all. quick question about katapult. can I add my own programs/scripts to it's library?
[02:14] <soulrider> zblach: katapult looks in your kmenu and in your home dir
[02:14] <soulrider> if you need it to update
[02:14] <soulrider> open it and press ctrl+c
[02:14] <soulrider> close it and reopen it
[02:14] <zblach> in my kmenu and home dir
[02:15] <zblach> not in /usr/bin?
[02:15] <zblach> good to know, thanks
[02:15] <soulrider> i htink not
[02:17] <fones> intelikey: thanks, i think it's working
[02:17] <fones> i'll know soon enough :)
[02:18] <soulrider> intelikey: everything that is in my kernel as a module, will slow my system down?
[02:18] <zblach> soulrider: thanks
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: No (to all intents and purposes)
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: using an initramfs is actually faster to boot my system than having everything statically compiled in
[02:20] <soulrider> h3sp4wn: what is an intramfs ?
[02:21] <intelikey> soulrider no.  i don't think you will be able to measure the differance in a built'in and a module of the same driver.    but you may want some things that are for your specific hardware.    i.e.  ide ext2/3fs support and so forth.  not because it will run faster but because you won't have to use an initrd.img to get it to boot.
[02:21] <intelikey> intramfs is the replacement to initrd
[02:22] <intelikey> initramfs == second generation initrd
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> its a cpio archive
[02:22] <fones> it is doing all kinds of things
[02:22] <soulrider> also i have seen that when i compile, it allways compiles for i386
[02:22] <soulrider> is there a way to compile for i686 ?
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: set processor type and remove generic x86 support
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: the deb will always end in 386
[02:23] <intelikey> soulrider it's in the menuconfig
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> the deb will always be _i386.deb
[02:23] <soulrider> oh, but what will happen if i remoce x86 generic support ?
[02:24] <intelikey> read the online help in the menuconfig
[02:24] <intelikey> the info is all right there.
[02:24] <soulrider> ok, i will
[02:24] <soulrider> im such a n00b with this =/
[02:25] <fones> me too :\
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: Just work on the processor selected not any
[02:25] <soulrider> ahh
[02:25] <soulrider> great
[02:26] <intelikey> actually will still function on any but not as well  and slightly better on the selected.
[02:26] <fones> intelikey: it's finally done
[02:26] <fones> i think it might have worked :D
[02:27] <fones> cause when i started up k3b i didn't get that same error
[02:27] <intelikey> yw
[02:27] <fones> is there a way to see that cdrao installed?
[02:27] <soulrider> ok, i think im done with the config...
[02:27] <intelikey> fones yes   dpkg -L cdrdao
[02:28] <fones> it works :D
[02:28] <intelikey> soulrider it usually takes me about 4 hours to go all through the config    hehhe
[02:28] <soulrider> intelikey: after i exit menuconfig it will compile right ?
[02:28] <soulrider> well i dont know what half of that stuff is :P
[02:28] <intelikey> it should.
[02:29] <soulrider> uhm, its not compiling... :P
[02:29] <intelikey> soulrider i didn't either.  that's why it takes me so long.   i read the online help on things i don't know.
[02:29] <visik7> anyone able to see this ? http://images.apple.com/movies/paramount/bee_movie/bee_movie-tlr1_h640w.mov
[02:29] <soulrider> oh wait, it sais to do "make"
[02:29] <soulrider> intelikey: do you have the link for the online help ?
[02:30] <intelikey> !mp3 | visik7
[02:30] <ubotu> visik7: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:30] <visik7> intelikey: I already have all the codecs
[02:30] <intelikey> soulrider i mean inside the menuconfig
[02:30] <soulrider> ah
[02:30] <soulrider> well, i tried
[02:30] <intelikey> :)
[02:30] <soulrider> but with some i didnt understand anything either :P
[02:30] <intelikey> it will probably build.
[02:30] <visik7> intelikey: I would know if someone is able to see it
[02:31] <intelikey> visik7 !i
[02:31] <intelikey> visik7 i don't do propritary formats
[02:32] <soulrider> compiling :P
[02:33] <Ertain> Rats.  The Kubuntu version of Filelight keeps crashing on me.
[02:33] <xyros> visik7: I can see your movie, funny :)
[02:34] <visik7> xyros: which engine ? xine or mplayer or gstreamer ?
[02:34] <intelikey> or vlc
[02:34] <visik7> or vlc ?
[02:34] <visik7> :)
[02:34] <xyros> visik7: for the moment kaffeine
[02:34] <matthew__> hi
[02:34] <visik7> I can't :/
[02:35] <xyros> visik7: why
[02:35] <sirpingalot> hey guys.. is there an XWindows equivalent to the console command "dialog"?
[02:35] <visik7> it says no codec
[02:35] <visik7> but I've all codecs
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> Ertain: download the source and compile it -> http://freshmeat.net/projects/filelight/
[02:35] <intelikey> sirpingalot several.
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> sirpingalot: katapult
[02:35] <xyros> visik7: download ffmpeg and install its great
[02:35] <intelikey> xmessage
[02:35] <sirpingalot> intelikey: tnks.. will check it out
[02:36] <visik7> xyros: are you on edgy or dapper ?
[02:36] <Alter-Ego> ! mp3
[02:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:36] <intelikey> sirpingalot you could ask that in a development channel and probably get a lot of good info.
[02:36] <Linux_Galore> sirpingalot: wrong nick
[02:36] <xyros> visik7: not sure ?? kubuntu something :))
[02:37] <sirpingalot> Linux_Galore: i just pulled up the man page and realized it wasn't what i was looking for :P
[02:37] <sirpingalot> intelikey: wht would be the development channel name?
[02:38] <matthew__> i just got kubuntu, and im missing winmedia player already >,< Amerok doesnt list all my music on side bar but i have to click and expand.
[02:38] <sirpingalot> intelikey: or could you name any one of the many which wud do the same?
[02:38] <intelikey> sirpingalot #ubuntu-devel
[02:38] <kubuntero> hi nikola__
[02:38] <intelikey> that's one.
[02:39] <nikola__> hi
[02:39] <coreymon77> hi guys
[02:39] <coreymon77> im just curious
[02:39] <kubuntero> matthew__: HOw come?
[02:39] <intelikey> hi coreymon77 i'm just intelikey
[02:39] <coreymon77> will dapper still be supported even after edgy stops being?
[02:39] <Linux_Galore> matthew__: if you look in the settings you can define what directories it will build your playlists from
[02:39] <intelikey> !lts
[02:39] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:40] <coreymon77> i know tha
[02:40] <coreymon77> tbut does it add up to meaning that even after edgy stops being supported, dapper will still be?
[02:40] <intelikey> yes
[02:40] <coreymon77> ?
[02:40] <coreymon77> dapper will still be supported even after feisty comes out?
[02:41] <intelikey> supposed to be even after feisty is not supported.
[02:41] <intelikey> that's the whole idea of LTS
[02:42] <coreymon77> when will fesity be completed btw
[02:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: feisty
[02:42] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:42] <kubuntero> matthew__: I hated Win Media player when I Had windows
[02:42] <intelikey> april
[02:42] <coreymon77> wow
[02:42] <optik_> hi !
[02:42] <coreymon77> from 6.10 to 7.04?
[02:42] <coreymon77> it must be a gigantic upgrade
[02:42] <coreymon77> !
[02:43] <intelikey> every 6 months
[02:43] <optik_> why kubuntu not is developer?
[02:43] <Ash-Fox> Is it safe to update xorg? - as in it won't go "OMG YOU HAVE NO SCREENS DETECTED ARGAIFEAIHFAFAJIFJAJIFA *QUIT*".
[02:43] <intelikey> dapper broke schedual because it is LTS and wasn't ready in april
[02:43] <coreymon77> Ash-Fox: ...no comment...
[02:43] <rich__> do I install the restricted kernel modules before or after I install a nvidia driver
[02:44] <Ash-Fox> coreymon77, last time I updated xorg it did that :P
[02:44] <intelikey> Ash-Fox sounds like a reasonable concern
[02:44] <coreymon77> ya, because the wait between dapper and edgy was so short
[02:45] <Ash-Fox> Sounds like yamal is trying out microsoft's speech2text engine.
[02:45] <coreymon77> the no comment was about the ARGAIFEAIHFAFAJIFJAJIFA part
[02:45] <intelikey> Ash-Fox lol
[02:46] <Ash-Fox> coreymon77, I've just drank two leters of cola, so I'm a littler hyper :P
[02:46] <Ertain> For some odd reason, I can't install the libqt-mt-dev pack.
[02:47] <intelikey> forward slash at some point back slash colen colen hash speach to text is funny
[02:48] <jmichaelx> i recently upgraded a laptop from dapper to edgy, and all went fairly well, with one exception... i cannot reset the power-off function for the display. if i try to change the setting (which is at 5 hours), i ose X and have to dpkg-reconfigure. would anyone have an idea what might be wrong?
[02:48] <intelikey> Ertain dats cause it don't zist
[02:48] <jmichaelx> i lose*
[02:49] <intelikey> libqt3-mt-dev     or   libqt4-mt-dev
[02:50] <Ertain> I can't even install those packs since they would break my install.
[02:51] <intelikey> sounds like non-ubuntu repos in your sources.list
[02:51] <visik7> xyros: ok wrong wurl
[02:51] <visik7> url
[02:51] <intelikey> "but it wont hurt anyhing..."    and   "works for me"
[02:52] <intelikey> !common sense
[02:52] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:52] <rich__> I fresh installed dapper, what's the first step to get nvidia up and running? installing kernel restricted modules or getting the driver?
[02:52] <visik7> the problem that I've is with http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jan/j47d52oo/m_8848125_110_ref.mov
[02:52] <apokryphos> ubotu: faq | rich__
[02:52] <ubotu> rich__: faq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[02:52] <intelikey> !ati | rich__
[02:52] <ubotu> rich__: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:52] <Ertain> Doesn't look like any repos are out of place.  It looks like the regular repos are in place.  If you're wondering I'm using Edgy.
[02:53] <ubuntu__> hello
[02:54] <ubuntu__> someone alive?
[02:54] <intelikey> Ertain well normally a "will break your system" message is from using non-ubuntu repos to install things that ubuntu doesn't support, then afterwards trying to install something in the ubuntu repos.    that's not always the case but very often is.
[02:54] <coreymon77> does anyone know of a ds emulator for linux?
[02:55] <intelikey> Ertain if you will try it with apt and pastebin the full output i
[02:55] <intelikey> i'll have a look.
[02:56] <intelikey> Ertain also paste your sources.list with it.
[02:56] <Ertain> Can do.
[02:57] <intelikey> coreymon77 apt-cache search emulator | less
[02:57] <brett__> i added a menu item as a block and I would like to know if it is possible to hide the menus name. I just want the links without the title.
[02:57] <brett__> oh shit
[02:57] <brett__> sorry wrong channel
[02:58] <jmichaelx> does anyone know what the best method is for using a broadcom wireless card in edgy? i am still using the firmware extracted using fwcutter that i used in dapper. it works reasonably well, but cuts out after a few hours.
[02:58] <fones> it's possible to eject the cd when you are using kubuntu live right?
[02:59] <kubuntero> fones: no
[02:59] <kubuntero> hi Hobbsee
[02:59] <intelikey> fones possable != easy
[02:59] <fones> heh
[02:59] <fones> oh so it is possible?
[02:59] <Ertain> Here's the one for my Sources.list -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1005/
[02:59] <fones> cuase i really need to burn this dvd of backed up stuff
[03:00] <sleepy495> how will I know what version of drivers its installing
[03:00] <intelikey> fones not easily.  and i'm not about to try to walk you through it.
[03:00] <fones> that was the whole point of me getting cdrdao
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> fones: always type "eject" in a terminal
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hey kubuntero
[03:00] <intelikey> !wifi jmichaelx
[03:00] <sleepy495> if I want to install nvidia driver 97xx what do I do
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wifi jmichaelx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <intelikey> !wifi | jmichaelx
[03:00] <ubotu> jmichaelx: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:01] <fones> i will try that Linux_Galore
[03:01] <fones> yeah, it didn't let me
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> fones: sorry "you could always type "eject" in a terminal
[03:01] <intelikey> !ati | sleepy495
[03:01] <ubotu> sleepy495: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:01] <Ertain> And here's the one for the apt-get error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1006/
[03:01] <fones> ubuntu@dhcppc1:~$ eject
[03:01] <fones> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[03:01] <fones> ubuntu@dhcppc1:~$
[03:02] <fones> damnit damnit damnit
[03:02] <Linux_Galore> fones: yeah, it wont eject itself
[03:02] <intelikey> Ertain looking
[03:02] <fones> this is no good
[03:02] <matthew__> soo linux can not write to a ntfs formatted partition? grr i can read music from it
[03:02] <fones> i really can't afford to lose these files
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> fones: no thats because "everything" isnt in ram, some of the apps are on the disk
[03:03] <manchicken> Linux kernel should have ntfs compatibility...
[03:03] <manchicken> (I totally thought there was a module for that)
[03:03] <fones> i can't get kubuntu to copy my files to my ntfs external drives, i can't get it to burn a dvd, i am out of options it seems
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> fones: always use a thumb drive
[03:03] <fones> yeah i figured Linux_Galore
[03:03] <manchicken> (though I never use crappy filesystems like that)
[03:03] <fones> i don't have one unfortunately
[03:04] <matthew__> fones you can uploade your file to a free host and get them later
[03:04] <TheDebugger> fuse or ntfs-3g?
[03:04] <fones> it's several gigs
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> fones: setup a gmail acccount and email the files
[03:05] <intelikey> Ertain try enabling universe
[03:05] <fones> some of the files are far too big for that
[03:05] <fones> i work in 3d animation
[03:05] <intelikey> Ertain you have it in backports only.
[03:05] <Ertain> Right-o then.
[03:06] <intelikey> !info libgl-dev
[03:06] <ubotu> Package libgl-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[03:07] <intelikey> !info libgl1-mesa-dev
[03:07] <ubotu> libgl1-mesa-dev: A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- GLX development support files. In component main, is extra. Version 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 132 kB
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> fones: so you have an "external" usb hard disk thats ntfs ??
[03:07] <fones> yeah
[03:07] <fones> i have 2
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> fones: they should work
[03:07] <fones> i can't copy to them for some reason, or make any folders in them etc
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> fones: boot up "then plug them in"
[03:07] <intelikey> Ertain eeek   that's in main      do you have ati or nvidia drivers installed ?
[03:07] <fones> i can see them just fine
[03:08] <fones> i just can't do anything more than browse the contents
[03:08] <Ertain> Why yes I do.
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> fones: aaah so you want to back the files up
[03:08] <fones> yeah
[03:08] <fones> that's all i'm trying to do :)
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> fones: if you have two units just copy the files from one to the other lol
[03:08] <fones> what you mean?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> fones: you can plug in both units, you said you have two
[03:09] <intelikey> that may be the conflict there Ertain    i think that's a known issue   but i don't use non-free  so you need to ask some one like fdoving   or jucato ....
[03:09] <fones> yes i do
[03:09] <fones> but they are both ntfs
[03:09] <intelikey> Ertain ^
[03:09] <fones> and for some reason, kubuntu doesn't like ntfs
[03:09] <xenophile7x7> galore: i think hes saying that it wont let him write anything to the drives, so he cant copy one drive to the other
[03:09] <fones> and i can't copy files over
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> fones: aaah, create a vfat partition on one
[03:09] <fones> but won't that format the drive?
[03:10] <fones> i can't lose what i currently have on the drives
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> fones: no only the data within that partition
[03:10] <jmichaelx> i recently upgraded a laptop from dapper to edgy, and all went fairly well, with one exception... i cannot reset the power-off function for the display. if i try to change the setting (which is at 5 hours), i lose X and have to dpkg-reconfigure. would anyone have an idea what might be wrong?
[03:10] <fones> yeah
[03:10] <fones> which means i'll lose all my files :(
[03:10] <fones> which i can't afford to do
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> fones: or go find a XP machine and copy all the data to one unit and make the other vfat
[03:11] <fones> well i had xp
[03:11] <fones> it died on me, thats how i got in this mess
[03:11] <xenophile7x7> lol, vmware?
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> fones: go to a PC caffe
[03:11] <kubuntero> matthew__: You have a lot of unreasonable complaints :)
[03:11] <xenophile7x7> kinda a pain in the ass, but it would suffice
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> fones: or a library
[03:11] <fones> you can't do that
[03:11] <intelikey> Ertain if i recall you don't want "libgl1-mesa-dev" because it will mean uninstalling your vidio driver and you can't install  libqt3-mt-dev  without libgl1-mesa-dev   there may be a work around   but i'm not familar with it.
[03:11] <fones> they won't allow external drives or cd's
[03:12] <fones> i've actually had to try before
[03:12] <fones> when my connection was dead
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> fones: try a neighbour
[03:12] <fones> haha
[03:12] <fones> my boss is going to kill me
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> fones: or go get a $15 cdrom drive
[03:13] <fones> i have a cd rom drive
[03:13] <fones> and a dvd rom drive
[03:13] <kubuntero> fones: What's    the problem?
[03:13] <kubuntero> hi jordo23
[03:13] <fones> but the cdrom drive, i think, is dead. i disconnected it a long time ago
[03:13] <fones> kubuntero: just trying to backup several gigs of work files
[03:13] <intelikey> Ertain also of note.   it is an non-ubuntu repo problem after all.  it's that other software getting in the way, namely the vidio driver.
[03:13] <fones> and i am running into dead ends every single way i try
[03:14] <kubuntero> ntfs-3g doesn't work?
[03:14] <jordo23> kubuntero: Hey
[03:14] <fones> i am surprised that linux doesn't read ntfs!
[03:14] <Alter-Ego> amanda
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> fones: Ive got about 4 cdrom burners in my junk pile lol
[03:14] <fones> i have not tried that yet
[03:14] <fones> i don't know how to do it
[03:14] <jordo23> jordo23: Still working on my iriver ;)
[03:14] <Alter-Ego> fones, let me introduce you to amanda
[03:14] <jordo23> oops
[03:14] <xenophile7x7> fones, try reinstallin xp on somethign like vmware
[03:14] <kubuntero> fones: It does. Just doesn't write reliably
[03:14] <jordo23> kubuntero: Still working on my iriver
[03:14] <kubuntero> !ntfs | fones
[03:14] <ubotu> fones: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:14] <fones> !ntfs-3g
[03:14] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:15] <xenophile7x7> where are you located fones?
[03:15] <fones> new york
[03:15] <xenophile7x7> lol, the one state i dont have friends in
[03:15] <xenophile7x7> so thats not help.
[03:15] <fones> :)
[03:16] <intelikey> fones linux does read ntfs.  it just doesn't write to it, out of the box
[03:16] <fones> i am down to try the ntfs-3g thing, as long as it doesn't ruin anything. i cannot afford to lose any files
[03:16] <rich__> !hidden
[03:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[03:16] <fones> yeah
[03:16] <fones> it does read it just fine
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: he's trying to copy the files he has no issues reading the stuff
[03:16] <fones> writing to it though, i havent been able to do
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: he has one writer a kubuntu cd and two external hard disk units
[03:17] <xenophile7x7> lol, if only there were LiveCD wiindows
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> xenophile7x7: there is
[03:17] <fones> there are actually
[03:17] <fones> and i was going to download one
[03:17] <xenophile7x7> eh?
[03:17] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i was only answering one statement "<fones> i am surprised that linux doesn't read ntfs!"
[03:17] <fones> but i couldn't get bittorrent to install, and now apparently i can't burn dvd's with live cd's :D
[03:17] <fones> my luck is so great with computers
[03:17] <xenophile7x7> but with a live cd, it should read the ntfs drives, and permit you to copy
[03:17] <fones> intelikey: sorry about that
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> fones:  apt-get ktorrent
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> fones: sorry apt-get install ktorrent
[03:18] <fones> xenophile7x7: i wish it did that
[03:18] <fones> sure i'll try that, but i can't burn the cd :)
[03:18] <fones> so it's kind of hopeless to download winpe (live cd)
[03:18] <xenophile7x7> will a pc cafe or library let you at least burn a disc?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> fones: you only way out is to get another burner or a cdrom
[03:18] <xenophile7x7> if you bring them a sealed one
[03:18] <fones> it seems that way xenophile
[03:19] <fones> i'm going to try and get my cd-rom drive to work
[03:19] <fones> then i could run kubuntu on that and burn on my dvd drive right?
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> fones: yep
[03:19] <xenophile7x7> should be able to
[03:19] <fones> ok that sounds like my best option
[03:19] <xenophile7x7> are the files for work?
[03:19] <fones> yeah
[03:19] <fones> i work for mtv
[03:19] <fones> they are due in the morning
[03:19] <xenophile7x7> couldnt you just bring the usb drive to work?
[03:20] <fones> but it's also other things i needed backed up
[03:20] <fones> cuase xp died
[03:20] <intelikey> or if you have the ram for it make a ramdisk and copy the system to ram then pivot_root and eject the cd  but that's not for the faint hearted and there are plenty of obsticals.
[03:20] <xenophile7x7> there must be a box there taht you can use, at least for the moment, until you can find a better option for home
[03:20] <fones> ya intelikey that sounds out of my league
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> fones: find a local PC repair shop and buy a second hand dvdrom  they cost next to nothing
[03:20] <fones> i would do that, but i can't right now
[03:21] <fones> xp died just a few hours ago during the worst time possible heh
[03:21] <xenophile7x7> lol, id send ya one, but mailin it would prolly cost more than just buyin one
[03:21] <case__> kubuntu starts very slow
[03:21] <case__> someone know why?
[03:21] <fones> naw it's cool
[03:21] <fones> but
[03:21] <fones> one question
[03:21] <xenophile7x7> haha, yeah, it has a tendency to do that
[03:21] <fones> i've installed cdrdao and i know i'll forget how to do it again
[03:21] <xenophile7x7> vistas worse. thats what finally drove me to change OS
[03:21] <fones> when i restart and kubuntu live has to restart, will it be gone?
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> fones: use k3b fir burning
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> for
[03:21] <intelikey> case__ network configs ?
[03:22] <fones> yeah that's what i was going to use Linux_Galore
[03:22] <case__> i think so, how can i repair that?
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> fones: an idiot can use k3b , its drag and drop
[03:22] <fones> yeah
[03:22] <intelikey> fones yep.  it will
[03:22] <fones> but it didn't come with cdrdao
[03:22] <fones> intelikey: awesome
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> fones: it also does auto detect for your media
[03:22] <draik> Does anyone know of a way that I can remote in to my friend's computer over a network? I want to be able to remote into it when he needs me to show him something related to Kubuntu. We both run Kubuntu. I want to have control of his computer so that I can show him around from my computer
[03:22] <fones> ok thanks for all the help guys, i appreciate it
[03:22] <xenophile7x7> do you still have a windows cd?
[03:22] <fones> yeah of course
[03:22] <kubuntero> draik: try freenx
 when i restart and kubuntu live has to restart, will it be gone?    <intelikey> fones yep.  it will    <fones> intelikey: awesome   ???
[03:23] <xenophile7x7> well, you could use the win cd to boot to the command prompt, and try to just xcopy between the drives
[03:23] <case__> i need a fix
[03:23] <fones> oh shit
[03:23] <draik> kubuntero: Can't find freenx
[03:23] <fones> i missread
[03:23] <draik> !freenx
[03:23] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[03:23] <intelikey> i thought so.
[03:23] <draik> !info freenx
[03:23] <ubotu> Package freenx does not exist in any distro I know
[03:23] <fones> oh man
[03:23] <fones> oh well, i guess i'll be back to bug you guys more :)
[03:23] <fones> i hope you don't mind
[03:23] <soulrider> my kernel wont boot :P
[03:23] <kubuntero> fones: tried the ntfs-3g?
[03:24] <intelikey> we don't mind.
[03:24] <xenophile7x7> lol, i dont mind. but my help is quite limited.
[03:24] <fones> not yet kubuntero, i've heard it could damage things?
[03:24] <fones> i can't lose any of my files at all at this point
[03:24] <Minataku> soulrider: Describe in more detail, please
[03:24] <intelikey> there is always that possability  but there are some good test results on it.
[03:24] <soulrider> it wont mount my root fs
[03:25] <soulrider> fones: i use ntfs3g
[03:25] <xenophile7x7> put in your win cd, and run the repair option. it might fix it
[03:25] <soulrider> never had a problem with it
[03:25] <soulrider> but i dont use my ntfs partition much
[03:25] <Minataku> soulrider: Are you passing the root= paramater to the kernel?
[03:25] <draik> !VNC
[03:25] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:25] <soulrider> yes i am
[03:25] <fones> yeah i think i'm better off tyring to get my cd-rom drive to work
[03:25] <sleepy495> I opened envy package thats a debian, how do I run it?
[03:25] <fones> xenophile7x7: that _never_ works
[03:25] <Minataku> Perhaps a kernel upgrade is missing required modules in the initrd?
[03:25] <xenophile7x7> lol, draik NOTHIGN about vnc is secure
[03:25] <fones> i have no idea why they even have a repair option :)
[03:25] <intelikey> soulrider did you make a initramfs.img  or did you forget to build in fs support and disk support ?
[03:25] <xenophile7x7> fones: its worked for me before
[03:25] <kubuntero> fones: I think that the risk of powering down is greater
[03:25] <fones> really??
[03:25] <Minataku> What intelikey said
[03:25] <Minataku> lol
[03:26] <xenophile7x7> yeah
[03:26] <draik> xenophile7x7: What do you suggest? Seems that FreeNX is for dialup
[03:26] <fones> kubuntero: why is that?
[03:26] <xenophile7x7> draik: i dont know for linux.
[03:26] <draik> xenophile7x7: Thank you
[03:26] <fones> xenophile7x7: that's the first thing i tried, just because, but it didnt work then and it actually never has for me before
[03:26] <xenophile7x7> draik: but theres is a built-in remot manager?
[03:27] <draik> xenophile7x7: I tried that. It gave me my friend's router IP, couldn't remote
[03:27] <intelikey> soulrider kernel has to have support for the disk then (if you use them) the partition then the fs   if any link in the chain is missing you don't mount
[03:27] <xenophile7x7> fones: its worked for me before, but its limited. doesnt work often, but it wont hurt the data to try
[03:27] <soulrider> intelikey: i used the kenrel config form the one that comes with ubuntu, and i removed some stuff, but didnt toucht he fs part
[03:27] <fones> xenophile7x7: ya
[03:27] <kubuntero> fones: ntfs-3g has a 99.9998% chance of success. Powering down has a 100% chaince of failure
[03:27] <fones> xenophile7x7: didnt work though for me, i tried it a couple hours ago
[03:27] <xenophile7x7> draik: he could just drop the router and direct connect when you need to access it?
[03:27] <draik> Nope
[03:28] <draik> xenophile7x7: Nope. He's got his 2 daughters on there and a printer
[03:28] <fones> kubuntero: that doesn't sound too bad
[03:28] <kubuntero> How do you end up with GIGs of stuff on a LIVE cd anyway?
[03:28] <intelikey> soulrider ubuntu does not build in fs support nor disk support   it's in the initramfs.img    so did you make an initramfs.img ?
[03:28] <fones> if you guys could help me get ntfs-3g working, i'm down to give it a shot
[03:28] <soulrider> intelikey: i dont think i have
[03:28] <fones> i'll take your word on that it's mostly reliable
[03:28] <kubuntero> fones: if it doesn't work 100% of the time and preserve data it's beta in teh Unix world
[03:28] <fones> kubuntero: sorry i think you missunderstood, the gigs of stuff is on my c: from windows
[03:28] <xenophile7x7> draik: ok, not too sure then.  im new to linux, so im not too familair with alot of the apps. but i do alot of security work, and vnc isnt secure at all. unless you two manually opened it when he needed yoour help, and then shut it down after. i wouldnt just let it run all the time though
[03:28] <intelikey> welcome to kernels 101  :)
[03:29] <fones> i'm trying to back it up, using kubuntu to do so
[03:29] <kubuntero> ah this is a rescue mission
[03:29] <soulrider> lol intelikeyits late, i think ill tyr tomorrow
[03:29] <fones> becuase i happened to download kubuntu live several months ago
[03:29] <sleepy495> how do un-install a .deb?
[03:29] <soulrider> but thatnks for allt he info today
[03:29] <fones> ya it's a rescue mission
[03:29] <soulrider> you REALLY helped me out
[03:29] <kubuntero> how much RAM do you have?
[03:29] <fones> me?
[03:29] <xenophile7x7> fones: wait, i thought you were trying to copy from one external to the other?
[03:29] <kubuntero> Yup
[03:29] <soulrider> sleepy495: you can click on it and then remove, or youc an do sudo aptitude purge <name>
[03:29] <fones> 1g
[03:29] <intelikey> soulrider you can  mkinitramfs -o <the output file> <version>
[03:30] <kubuntero> And you have 0 other computers?
[03:30] <spitwise> sleepy495: or sudo apt-get remove packagename
[03:30] <kubuntero> MTV sucks :)
[03:30] <draik> xenophile7x7: I was doing VNC over SSH
[03:30] <fones> xeno, i'm trying to copy from my c: drive, or whatever (/mnt/ntfs) to my external drive
[03:30] <draik> xenophile7x7: Even though, I still understand
[03:30] <fones> kubuntero: i know :)
[03:30] <intelikey> then make grub load the initramfs.img with the kernel   as with other ubuntu kernels.
[03:30] <fones> also, i'm at home, not work
[03:30] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok. makes more sense nwo
[03:30] <draik> xenophile7x7: Thank you for trying to help me. I appreciate the help.
[03:30] <fones> they are all mac at work
[03:30] <fones> i am pc at home
[03:30] <kubuntero> I'd tell you to grab a rescue Live CD with NTFS support and get to going
[03:30] <xenophile7x7> draik: that could work. i just wouldnt run let it run constantly anyway. just start it when you need to. good luck though ^^
[03:31] <fones> hmm
[03:31] <draik> Anyone know of a channel for remote connections?
[03:31] <fones> maybe i should just try to get my cdrom drive to work again, and then see if i can get cdrdao installed again with your help
[03:32] <intelikey> draik ssh ?
[03:32] <fones> if i can do that, i can burn to dvd and be fine
[03:32] <fones> however if i could get ntfs-3g to work, that would be a lot easier
[03:32] <intelikey> draik for help setting up ?
[03:32] <xenophile7x7> that sounds like yoru best bet, if you can get the other drive to work
[03:32] <xenophile7x7> if not, wal-mart is open 24/7
[03:32] <draik> intelikey: For trying to connect. The instructions for VNC over SSH didn't work for me
[03:32] <xenophile7x7> may be able to get a  drive there
[03:32] <fones> no wal-marts here i'm afraid
[03:33] <xenophile7x7> lol, walmart is EVERYWHERE
[03:33] <xenophile7x7> :P
[03:33] <intelikey> draik /join ##linux
[03:33] <fones> not in nyc, i know it's weird
[03:33] <xenophile7x7> gotta be one there somewhere
[03:33] <fones> not that i've ever seen anyways
[03:33] <xenophile7x7> hmmm...sounds like you need to call the Geek Squad
[03:33] <fones> haha
[03:33] <intelikey> draik there are usually some networking admins in there that will help
[03:34] <xenophile7x7> your only about 20 mins then from connecticut. theres one right over the state line, dont recall the exit number though, i think exit 7
[03:34] <fones> ok i'm going to try to get my cd-rom drive to work. thanks for the help! i'll probably be back soon
[03:34] <xenophile7x7> i mean, thats still a good 1/2 hour drive, but its an emergency option, if you need
[03:34] <xenophile7x7> alright, we'll be here
[03:34] <fones> indeed, would be, but no one has a car here
[03:34] <fones> i think only one of my friends here has ever driven before
[03:35] <fones> they aren't needed here
[03:35] <fones> but cool ya i'll be back :D
[03:36] <intelikey> wal-mart  hehhe  i remember sam when he had 3 stores   he's been dead for years now but the business continues to grow.  it's gotten absolutely out of hand imo.
[03:36] <xenophile7x7> well, it was a good family business when sam ran it
[03:36] <xenophile7x7> now, its more like a cancer
[03:36] <intelikey> yes it was.
[03:36] <intelikey> and yes it is.
[03:37] <xenophile7x7> ever since his nephew or whatever took it over
[03:37] <intelikey> xenophile7x7 you'll have to try something else if you are trying to start a fight....
[03:37] <Seiris> at the risk of sounding a little silly, I've started getting a sorry message, telling me it can't find the mime type application/octet-stream, usually when I try to run programs and boot the OS. I've changed reolv.conf and /network/interfaces and a couple of file associations, which of these would most likely produce the error?
[03:37] <intelikey> i can't even disagree with you.
[03:37] <xenophile7x7> eh?
[03:37] <intelikey> :)
[03:37] <xenophile7x7> lol, hardly tryin to start a fight
[03:39] <esaym> Whats a good bare bones music player like foobar in windows? http://www.foobar2000.org/screenshots/index.html
[03:39] <intelikey> Seiris file associations ?
[03:39] <esaym> ?
[03:40] <manchicken> esaym: noatun maybe?
[03:40] <Seiris> changed the html associations from konqueror to firefox, and added mp3 to the list
[03:40] <intelikey> esaym i don't know foobar  but try  sox
[03:40] <intelikey> !sox
[03:40] <ubotu> sox: A universal sound sample translator. In component universe, is optional. Version 12.17.9-1 (edgy), package size 285 kB, installed size 656 kB
[03:40] <esaym> ok keep them coming guys. I will look into all of them thanks
[03:41] <Seiris> !mime
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <Seiris> !smb
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <Seiris> !samba
[03:41] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:42] <esaym> no screenies? http://noatun.kde.org/screenshots/
[03:42] <intelikey> Seiris i suppose that the networking changes could produce that "if" you have an ip listed that automatically starts a octet-stream dl    ?
[03:43] <jordo23> how do I find a specific dir in my system? (fastest) I am looking for where Kubuntu installs easyh10...
[03:43] <draik> intelikey: Nothing but kids on that channel :(
[03:43] <intelikey> esaym if you didn't mean 'bare bones'  try vlc
[03:43] <draik> jordo23: type     whereis easyh10
[03:43] <intelikey> draik hmmm
[03:44] <Seiris> well, it was only adding dns servers and changing ip for a different lan, so it could be dodgy dns lookup
[03:44] <jordo23> draik: thanks
[03:44] <draik> jordo23: No problem
[03:45] <esaym> by bare bones i mean i just dont need fancy stuff
[03:45] <Seiris> intel: thanks for the hand, sorted it out, I changed the html association back to konqueror, all gone. Thanks again :)
[03:51] <Alter-Ego> what happens if you delete xorg.conf ?
[03:56] <Ertain> To install libqt3-mt-dev I thought of uninstalling the nVidia pack, because I have been told my video driver was the problem.  Though to remove the nVidia pack nvidia-kernel-common I would also have to uninstall the linux-386 pack.  My, is this confusing.
[03:58] <intelikey> hmmm roilities on natural gas is almost 2 cents per cubic foot      wonder what gas sells for now ?
[03:58] <intelikey> anyone buy natural gas ?
[03:58] <Juno> I buy it monthly.  =D
[03:59] <intelikey> any idea on the price rate ?
[03:59] <Juno> nope
[03:59] <intelikey> k
[04:01] <Ertain> intelikey: You said something about my video drivers being the culprit.  What do you mean, exactly?
[04:02] <intelikey> that was total roilities land owner generally doesn't get but about 1/8  and that is per section   so if a land owner doesn't own that whole section of land then he has to split that .25 cents with his neibours.
[04:03] <intelikey> Ertain a dependancy issue caused by the installed software that's the vidio driver package.    if you install the other you have to remove the driver...   and then if you reinstall the driver you have to remove the other.
[04:04] <kubuntero> hi nikkiana_lappy
[04:04] <intelikey> Ertain as i said i've never experanced that but i have seen others talking about it here.
[04:05] <Ertain> So even if I remove the nvidia-glx pack I won't be able to install the libqt3-mt-dev pack?
[04:05] <intelikey> Ertain not so.   you will be able to.    unless i have missed something
[04:05] <JonTec__> can I not connect to a ad-hoc wireless network with linux?
[04:06] <spitwise> sure you can
[04:06] <intelikey> !wifi | JonTec__
[04:06] <ubotu> JonTec__: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:06] <JonTec__> intellikey, gracias, I will look
[04:06] <Ertain> I did remove the nvidia-glx pack, but I can't install the libqt3-mt-dev pack.
[04:08] <intelikey> was nvidia-glx all you installed ?    not compiz or something ?
[04:09] <intelikey> Ertain check in adept and see if it says what it conflicts with ?
[04:09] <intelikey> i'm sure it's something to do with Xorg
[04:10] <Ertain> What, libqt3-mt-dev?
[04:10] <intelikey> yes
[04:10] <JonTec__> intellikey: is zeroconf what I have to use to connect to the ad-hoc?
[04:10] <intelikey> !libqt3-mt-dev
[04:10] <ubotu> libqt3-mt-dev: Qt development files (Threaded). In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.6-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 51 kB, installed size 168 kB
[04:10] <sleepy495> how do I get keys for repositories?
[04:10] <sleepy495> it gives me http with a.gpg file
[04:11] <intelikey> Ertain err actually no  it was the mesa package in the error message.
[04:12] <Ertain> So I should look at the libgl1-mesa pack?
[04:12] <intelikey> yes
[04:12] <sleepy495> what does it mean when it says "Get public key" for repository?
[04:12] <intelikey> Ertain install that and you can install libqt3-mt-dev      errr should be able to
[04:13] <intelikey> !gpg
[04:13] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[04:14] <Ertain> Actually, I have libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed.  If I tried to remove libgl1-mesa-glx it would also remove most of my other packs.
[04:15] <intelikey> Ertain that's it.     try installing libglu1-mesa-dev
[04:16] <Ertain> Right-o then.
[04:16] <Ertain> Nope, that would break my install too.
[04:18] <intelikey> yep.    like i said you need jucato or fdoving or somebody that has actually been there.  i don't do non-free and/or non-distro repos.   so i can't tell you exactly what you can/should/might try.
[04:19] <sleepy495> can I run beryl without AIGLX or XGL?
[04:19] <sleepy495> someone told me today I could
[04:20] <JonTec__> !mobilemesh
[04:20] <ubotu> mobilemesh: Mobile adhoc networking. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-6.1 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 836 kB
[04:20] <intelikey> Ertain if it were me.  'being a console user anyway and not afraid of the dark' i would ## sudo apt-get remove libgl1-mesa-glx && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop libqt3-mt-dev
[04:20] <kubuntero> sleepy495: You can. Why would you want to?
[04:20] <Ertain> Actually, I've already got kubuntu-desktop installed.
[04:20] <kubuntero> sleepy495: You can get a car without an engine as well
[04:21] <intelikey> if you remove libgl1-mesa-glx you wont have Ertain
[04:21] <sleepy495> I have a GeForce 5900, they said I didn't need it
[04:21] <kubuntero> sleepy495: They being..?
[04:22] <draik> intelikey: :( No luck finding help with remote connections to my friend's computer
[04:22] <intelikey> and if you try what i mentioned you may have to reconfigure xorg
[04:22] <sleepy495> someone in here, I don't remember
[04:22] <sleepy495> is aiglx ok to install?
[04:22] <kubuntero> sleepy495: Yes but you may want to ask in #ubuntu-xgl or #beryl
[04:22] <intelikey> draik  ;'|
[04:25] <intelikey> Ertain was it beryl you installed ?     i'm still trying to get to the bottom of why this conflict exists....
[04:25] <Ertain> I do have Beryl installed.
[04:26] <intelikey> ok i was wrong then it's not the vidio driver but the vidio extentions.     (xgl)
[04:27] <draik> Thank you intelikey for your help. I'm outta here...
[04:27] <Ertain> Okay, I'll try removing that.
[04:27] <intelikey> Ertain no that wont do it.
[04:27] <Ertain> Figures. :(
[04:27] <intelikey> it's what was needed for beryl    'xgl'
[04:27] <Ertain> So you think it's a conflict with Xgl?
[04:28] <BluesKaj> beryl is useless eye candy for anyone using ATI cards ...it shuts off a whole range of programs that require direct rendering
[04:28] <intelikey> and   xgl is not compatable with libqt3-mt-dev  because it depends on libgl1-mesa-glx     the two are mutually exclusive.  one or the other. not both.
[04:29] <Jucato> that would explain it...
[04:29] <intelikey> Jucato where you been hiding.  you could have answered that an hour ago.
[04:30] <Jucato> intelikey: he PM'ed me... I didn't know the answer
[04:30] <Jucato> (that and I have no X to work productively)
[04:31] <Ertain> Here, I'll try removing Xgl.
[04:31] <intelikey> Jucato you did install beryl one time,  no ?     i thought i remembered you talking to someone else about this very issue.
[04:31] <Jucato> I didn't install xserver-xgl
[04:34] <intelikey> mmmm may have been that guy with a name much like yours,  he's in #ubuntu all the time but only in here seldomly....    it's been too long.   but i do remember someone talking about that very dependancy problem and the descussion  lead to the point that adding software that wasn't from the supported repos had caused the problem.
[04:35] <intelikey> if it had been my problem i would no doubt paid more attention.
[04:35] <Jucato> definitely not me. I have only gone into #ubuntu once or twice and not for more than 30 seconds each :)
[04:35] <intelikey> well the discussion was in here tho.
[04:36] <intelikey> but i believe you.  it wasn't you.
[04:36] <jordo23> jucato: how do I get a script to run visually in konsole so I can see it execute if I click on the shortcut?
[04:36] <intelikey> but believe me,  i thought it was you...  until you corrected me  :)
[04:37] <Jucato> intelikey: you're obviously hallucinating :P
[04:37] <Ertain> Rats.  I removed xserver-xgl but I still can't install libqt-3-mt-dev.
[04:37] <Jucato> libqt3-mt-dev...
[04:37] <verbose> what file tells bash which files can be arguments to a command. for example, when you type `mplayer <tab>` what tells bash that blah.avi should follow mplayer and not asdf.txt
[04:37] <intelikey> jordo23 add set -x     about the second line.
[04:37] <Jucato> jordo23: sorry, I don't know... :(
[04:38] <jordo23> intelikey:  I have the script on my desktop and want to see it esecute in konsole....right..
[04:38] <jordo23> execute
[04:38] <kubuntero> jordo23: I think you   can right clcik and set it to run in terminal
[04:38] <kubuntero>  A terminal should open then
[04:38] <Ertain> Btw, I have libqt4-core installed.
[04:39] <jordo23> kubuntero: dont see the option... :(
[04:39] <intelikey> jordo23 yes.  if you are debugging it   add set -x     then run it.    or if you just want to know how to exec it   ./filename.sh
[04:40] <Jucato> Ertain: libqt4 shouldn't be a problem
[04:40] <jordo23> intelikey:  with the word "add" or just set -x
[04:40] <intelikey> just set -x
[04:40] <intelikey> #set -x # used only for debuging.
[04:41] <intelikey> uncommented it is very verbose
[04:41] <intelikey> set -x # used only for debuging.   <<<< like that.
[04:41] <jordo23> intelikey  I added set -x at the second line and nothing...
[04:41] <intelikey> did you run it ?
[04:41] <intelikey> have to execute it
[04:41] <jordo23> I clicked on it....and it didn't open in Konsole
[04:42] <kubuntero> Kwallet doesnt serve a purpose?
[04:42] <Ertain> Btw, if I removed nvidia-kernel-common, it would also remove the linux-386 pack.
[04:42] <intelikey> ok    i understand your issue now.   comment out the set -x    that's not what you are asking.
[04:42] <intelikey> right click it and set the properites to executable
[04:43] <jordo23> intelikey: did that
[04:43] <intelikey> right click it and open with    type in konsole
[04:43] <Ertain> With a script, in the konsole I usually do "./script" to execute it.
[04:44] <intelikey> Ertain yes assuming it's executable.     sh script.sh    if it's not.
[04:44] <intelikey> or even#  sh /full/path/to/script.sh
[04:46] <intelikey> what i want to know is how to vet a veriable from a script to the console that called it
[04:46] <jordo23> intelikey: Only worked once....I need to run this script often, and always want to see it execute in Konsole...
[04:46] <intelikey> s/vet/get/
[04:46] <intelikey> git
[04:46] <intelikey> gat  got     goat
[04:46] <intelikey> gut the darned thing.
[04:46] <kubuntero> sonnet?
[04:47] <sleepy495> How do I upgrade kernel module after graphic install?
[04:47] <Ertain> If I tried to remove libgl1-mesa-glx it would remove most of my programs.
[04:48] <kubuntero> Ok honestly whats the point of Kwallet?
[04:48] <intelikey> jordo23 so you could describe exactly what you are trying to do    TO BEGIN WITH   and then someone could sujest a course of action to get you there.
[04:48] <jordo23> intelikey: sorry :)
[04:49] <intelikey> Ertain we covered that ground already.
[04:49] <jordo23> intelikey: I need this script to update a portable device.....I need to see when it finishes so I know when to disconnect it....meaning I made a script and I want to click it and have it execute in konsole with the window open....
[04:49] <intelikey> lets not run circles
[04:50] <intelikey> jordo23 may i see the script ?    pastebin
[04:50] <intelikey> !pastebin | jordo23
[04:50] <ubotu> jordo23: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:51] <jordo23> intelikey: I know about pastebin :)
[04:52] <jordo23> intelikey  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/855633
[04:52] <intelikey> and would you also check that the command#  xmessage working             works for you please...
[04:53] <jordo23> for me?
[04:53] <intelikey> yes
[04:53] <intelikey> just alt+f2 and type in     xmessage working
[04:53] <jordo23> works
[04:53] <intelikey> k
[04:53] <kubuntero> how do I save a Windows document with Kate?
[04:53] <jordo23> brought up a little box
[04:54] <robert____> how can i determine what my wireless card i have?
[04:54] <jordo23> intelikey: The line of code updates a portable music device when connected...
[04:56] <intelikey> ok would that be acceptable for your needs?     if so add to the end of line #4 in your script exactly this without the single quotes   ' && xmessage "<any successful message here>" || xmessage "<some error message here>" '           and test your script by clicking it.
[04:56] <intelikey> inturpret all within  <>   custom message
[04:57] <jordo23> intelikey:  Wouldn't be acceptable because I need to see the output that the line generates...
[04:57] <intelikey> jordo23 is it one line ?
[04:58] <jordo23> intelikey:  Really I just want to click on it....execute the script in Konsole, and keep the window open until I exit from it...
[04:58] <jordo23> intelikey: No...several lines of output...
[04:59] <intelikey> jordo23 how about this then  make line four read exactly like this.   xmessage "`easyh10 -Un -on /media/usbdisk`"
[04:59] <intelikey> test that  ^
[04:59] <jordo23> okay
[04:59] <intelikey> note those ` are not ' be sure you use `
[05:00] <intelikey> ``~`~`~`~
[05:00] <sleepy495> I'm stuck on this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1013/
[05:00] <intelikey> not '"'""'"   :)
[05:00] <sleepy495> keeps saying can't find package for that
[05:01] <sleepy495> following instructions on Beryl on Ubuntu Dapper with AIGLX
[05:01] <lovloss> I know thiss is off topic, but how do i go about finding out what kind of processor limits my motherboard has? Like, if i want to upgrade the processor, how much can it handle?
[05:01] <jordo23> intelikey: got it....but it didn't show the output in a Konsole window...
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: then it cant find it on the repo, if its not there it means you have the wrong one
[05:02] <sleepy495> what do I do?
[05:02] <intelikey> sleepy495 konsole command#  [ "2.6.15-27-386" = "`uname -r`" ]  && echo "not it" || echo "there's your problem"
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: setup the correct repository
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: if its not there it obviously cant install it, that just means 1 of two things, setup the correct repository use install the correct package thats "is" on the repository
[05:03] <intelikey> !linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> or use*
[05:04] <intelikey> !find linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386
[05:04] <ubotu> Package/file linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386 does not exist in edgy
[05:04] <intelikey> !find linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386 dapper
[05:04] <ubotu> Package/file linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386 does not exist in dapper
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> 15 is dapper not edgy duh!
[05:05] <Ertain> How does one downgrade packs?
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> 2.6.17 is edgy
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> 2.6.15 is dapper
[05:05] <intelikey> Ertain install the specific version
[05:05] <intelikey> Linux_Galore yes.  and ?
[05:06] <intelikey> package is not in the repos anyway.
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> well if you have edgy forget 2.6.15
[05:06] <akn> Greetings, Need help with display resolution/
[05:06] <sleepy495> I have dapper
[05:06] <intelikey> i don't have edgy and sleepy495 didn't mention what he's using.
[05:06] <intelikey> now he did.
[05:06] <intelikey> :)
[05:07] <intelikey> but the package is not in dapper repos anyway.
[05:07] <intelikey> !find linux-dri-modules dapper
[05:07] <ubotu> Package/file linux-dri-modules does not exist in dapper
[05:07] <intelikey> !find linux-dri dapper
[05:07] <ubotu> Package/file linux-dri does not exist in dapper
[05:07] <sleepy495> so I can't use aiglx?
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: not unless you on edgy
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> your*
[05:08] <vulcanius> arg, i hate hosting companies that strip down the version of ubuntu they install and remove the apt sources.list
[05:08] <intelikey> not installing it from the ubuntu repos you can't
[05:08] <sleepy495> any good how to's for kubuntu xgl?
[05:08] <intelikey> !find linux-dri
[05:08] <ubotu> Package/file linux-dri does not exist in edgy
[05:08] <intelikey> notice ^
[05:09] <intelikey> !find linux-dri*
[05:09] <ubotu> Package/file linux-dri* does not exist in edgy
[05:09] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[05:09] <intelikey> not sure the bot takes wild cards tho
[05:09] <intelikey> BluesKaj
[05:10] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: sorry thats eddy this is the dapper one -> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Dapper_with_AIGLX
[05:12] <Linux_Galore> edgy*
[05:12] <sleepy495> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Dappe
[05:12] <sleepy495>                r_with_AIGLX
[05:13] <sleepy495> where it says "instgall aiglx I can't get past that step, thats where the error starts
[05:13] <sleepy495> should I use xgl?
[05:13] <hawk_> hello
[05:14] <hawk_> i was woundering if there is any good game
[05:14] <hawk_> well nevermind then
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: the package is on the repo so your doing it wrong
[05:15] <kubuntero> hawk_: Thats not really a question
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: list of packages available -> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/dists/dapper/main/
[05:15] <kubuntero> /me grrs
[05:15] <intelikey> Linux_Galore where ?   oh  beryl-project.org
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yep
[05:15] <hawk_> what is the best program for playing dvds
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: they have the dapper stuff
[05:16] <intelikey> a non-ubuntu repo
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: who cares
[05:16] <intelikey> i do
[05:16] <LameBMX> hola peoples
[05:16] <hawk_> what is the best program for playing dvds
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: well tell them to mirror the stuff then
[05:17] <intelikey> cause he'll be back with the same problem that ertain has about not being able to install things
[05:17] <intelikey> things that are in the ubuntu repos
[05:17] <sleepy495> what repository should I add so it works
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: also thats an Ubuntu domain
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: repo
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: pretty official to me
[05:17] <hawk_> what is the best program for playing dvds
[05:18] <intelikey> Linux_Galore so if M$ adds a ubuntu.microsoft.com  then it's a ubuntu repo ?
[05:18] <intelikey> no.
[05:18] <Linux_Galore> sleepy495: deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org dapper main
[05:18] <hawk_> hmmmm....
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> hawk_: enuff spamming, there are plenty to take your pick from...
[05:19] <hawk_> well can you tell me one
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> hawk_: vlc, kaffeine, xine, etc...
[05:19] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: you as about usefull as a imperial spanner on a moon mission
[05:19] <hawk_> kaffein dos not work
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> !css
[05:19] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:19] <hawk_> tthax
[05:20] <intelikey> sleepy495 do what Linux_Galore said   but be advised that it make make it impossable to install things that are in the ubuntu repos later on....
[05:20] <intelikey> make make      might make.
[05:20] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: you can have multiple repo's
[05:20] <LameBMX> okay folks .. what are some common services to kill ... im fresh to kubuntu from ubuntu
[05:20] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: if it complain later just remove it
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> Linux_Galore: the problem he's trying to explain is that some repos have things that conflict with REAL ubuntu packages.
[05:21] <Linux_Galore> LeeJunFan: no he gets "I cant find it"
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> Linux_Galore: and may replace official packages, so you may find yourself removing a lot more than just the one package you want from that repos.
[05:21] <Linux_Galore> LeeJunFan: because "its not there"
[05:21] <intelikey> Linux_Galore that won't fix it.   you'll have to uninstall the offending packages and to do that you'll have to uninstall xorg    to some that's a reinstall of the os
[05:22] <rodrigo> hola
[05:22] <intelikey> because some of these M$ converts simply panic if the mouse doesn't work.
[05:22] <rodrigo> alguien k hable espaol
[05:23] <intelikey> LeeJunFan glad you understand that.
[05:23] <Linux_Galore> to be honest I dont thing beryl should be mentioned untill the dam things is stable anyway
[05:23] <Linux_Galore> think*
[05:23] <velle> is it possible to search for programs in aptitude without entering the TUI?
[05:23] <Ash-Fox> Something, really weird is happening with Firefox -- I can't resolve any websites with it. I can resolve everything just fine with dig, host. Other browsers like Konqueror, links, lynx are able to resolve sites just fine. Firefox can open URLs that contain IP addresses. Anybody happen to have any ideas?
[05:24] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i agree.
[05:24] <LameBMX> Linux_Galore, it is stable if you play with it some lol
[05:24] <intelikey> !works for me
[05:24] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:24] <LameBMX> Linux_Galore, i wont say its stable out of the box .. but its still young
[05:24] <Linux_Galore> LameBMX: I have its a million miles from stable
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> it's pretty stable.
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> I've been running it for months, but then I don't repos it - I compile from svn
[05:25] <LameBMX> Linux_Galore, its about as close to rock solid for me as one could expect ...
[05:25] <LameBMX> svn here also
[05:25] <Linux_Galore> LameBMX: no were near it, Im still handing is bug reports
[05:25] <Linux_Galore> in*
[05:26] <oggy_> whats teh best torrent client for ubuntu
[05:26] <oggy_> ?
[05:26] <sleepy495> !svn
[05:26] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[05:26] <LameBMX> and mind you it has weird little things here and there  ... but why not mention beryl?
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> oggy_: ktorrent
[05:26] <LameBMX> the more people that use it .. the more bugs dealt with now is what will make it more stable across the wide range of systems in the near future
[05:26] <OolaB> I'm trying to decide whether to upgrade to Edgy or not, since I hear it can break stuff.
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> LameBMX: the point was not to mention it to people who aren't comfortable with linux.
[05:27] <Linux_Galore> LameBMX: well either beryl is part of the install or it's not, right now its "not" so Im against telling anyone ot use it, especially a newbie
[05:27] <LameBMX> ahhh ... well one guy in beryl chan put it really good ... beryl is a big draw for nix these days ...
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> we really don't need bug reports from people who dont understand the difference between an xgl, beryl or kde bug.
[05:27] <LameBMX> Linux_Galore, i feel your pain there
[05:28] <OolaB> Should I try upgrading?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> It is a big draw, but the people who want to install it need hand holding just to get GL working mostly.
[05:28] <Linux_Galore> OolaB: do a fresh install, I have yet to get a dapper-edgy install that works without a pile of errors
[05:28] <OolaB> k
[05:29] <dthacker> LeeJunFan:  I triage. amen!
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> OolaB: well, if you want it bad enough to do a fresh install upgrading might be worth a try, but if it doesn't work, fall back to a fresh install.
[05:29] <Linux_Galore> OolaB: it can be done, just If you not familiar with hacking out errors then I wouldnt advise it
[05:30] <vulcanius> anyone know of web based music streaming software?
[05:31] <Linux_Galore> vulcanius: server or client
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> OolaB: it may get some dependancy stuff muxed up, you may need to do some manual installing or removing, apt-get -f install's etc.
[05:31] <vulcanius> i mean what i can install on my server to be able to access my collection remotely
[05:31] <LameBMX> LeeJunFan, again i feel the pain ...but beryl brought me to it lol ... well i had played with it a few times before ...had a round with gentoo ... then setup a vector AAO server .. and after about a year of not having a linux desktop .. beryl brought me back
[05:31] <OolaB> What kind of errors should I expect?
[05:31] <intelikey> and after they need hand holding and nose wiping to install it,  then they come in here with a broken package error message the they have no idea why and can't give enough information to help us find the cause and get pissed and say things like "if this is all there is to linux, who needs it"   or  "linux is not ready for prime time"    so if that's your desire linux_galore in moving people to beryl.....
[05:31] <LameBMX> but anyways .. there is always #beryl for that sort of discussion ... im here to learn about some kubuntu action lol
[05:32] <vulcanius> Linux_Galore: i'm looking for something server side
[05:32] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I see my earlier comments, I think the ubuntu team have to decide if they want berly there or not of just deny it exists
[05:32] <Linux_Galore> or*
[05:32] <OolaB> brb
[05:33] <intelikey> Linux_Galore but they made their choice.   beryl is not in ubuntu repos.
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> LameBMX: yeah, but you knew linux well enough to use svn and install the build deps, compile, etc... Most of what we get in here is someone who doesn't know 1) how to login as root, 2) how to install GLX, 3) how to setup sources.list
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> beryl is stable, but not quite suited to be default yet.
[05:33] <LameBMX> actually i didnt .. well i knew how to compile from installin gentoo ...
[05:34] <intelikey> the ubuntu team will add beryl at some point.
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> For instance, right now from svn emerald theme manager doesn't change themes w/o restarting emerald.
[05:34] <LameBMX> LeeJunFan, i would def agree with that statement ..
[05:34] <LameBMX> yea i noticed that one lol .. not bad cuz beryl is susposed to be broke due to gtk or something lol
[05:35] <LameBMX> well how do you login as root?
[05:35] <LameBMX> without adding a root account lol
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> yeah, this weekend is beryl bug fixing weekend, so it should be getting some attention.
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> sudo -i
[05:35] <xenophile7x7> anyone seen fones come back on?
[05:35] <LameBMX> thats not root .. sudo lol
[05:35] <LameBMX> sorry i had to say it
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> well it'll give a root shell.
[05:36] <LameBMX> man ... and i thought it beroot (yea so ive played with a lil bash scripting) .. but then again im lazy
[05:36] <intelikey> LameBMX not root ?
[05:36] <bg__> my battery indicator disappeared as soon as I installed ati drivers. I know it is probably not connected. How do I start it up again?
[05:37] <intelikey> LameBMX if sudo -i    isn't root then  su -    isn't root either.
[05:37] <LameBMX> gotta love the land of makebelieve in computers .. last i checked there is no root account for buntu ... but you can sudo root ...
[05:37] <intelikey> they are the same thing.
[05:37] <intelikey> there is a root account on all linux systems.
[05:37] <LameBMX> though im not 100% clear on that concept
[05:37] <hawk_> thank you all for your help i got my dvds working
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> LameBMX: there is a root account, it's just that the password is disabled, so login won't work as root.
[05:38] <LameBMX> ahhhh
[05:38] <Ash-Fox> Using a clean firefox profile doesn't help, I don't see any errors in the console when I run firefox from there. Anybody have any ideas on what todo?
[05:38] <LameBMX> so its there but just can not be logged on ... k makes sense too
[05:38] <intelikey> LameBMX less /etc/passwd
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> LameBMX: consider that most attacks against a unix system will try to gain root, if root logins are disabled they aren't going to get anywhere.
[05:38] <LameBMX> yea i uderstand why root was disabled ...
[05:39] <LameBMX> just wasnt clear on how they disabled it
[05:39] <Ash-Fox> LameBMX, they removed the password :P
[05:39] <oggy_> eye of gnome rox
[05:39] <intelikey> LeeJunFan but if they hang out in here they just attack the user account and if they crack "root jr."'s password   they own the box.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: true. Now that ubuntu is as popular as it is, it's no secret. Security by obscurity only makes it slightly more difficult, for a while :)
[05:40] <intelikey> like junfan for yours...
[05:41] <dthacker> how can I sudo to root and stay root if I have several rootly tasks?
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, but I have a 12char mixed password with no dictionary words :)
[05:41] <LameBMX> yea buddy of mine noticed he always used a bash script called beroot .. which did that pass automatically
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> dthacker: sudo -i
[05:41] <dthacker> LeeJunFan: tnx
[05:41] <intelikey> dthacker sudo -i        or sudo su -         same thing.
[05:41] <LameBMX> lol ... yea get used to sudo -i ... its a lot less typing in the end
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I was also thinking that someone could write a script to alias sudo to a sudo wrapper which would steal the root pass. Actually making ubuntu less secure in a way.
[05:42] <sleepy495> whats the command to check the version of my kernel?
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: so if you get the user to run some script creating the alias as a non priv user, subsequent sudo's woudl give the password up.
[05:43] <intelikey> LeeJunFan but i wonder how many think "well this is just my user account"   and have a password like if yours was  junfan   name and passwd are the same...
[05:43] <Linux_Galore> verbose: you can setup icecast or shoutcast
[05:43] <LameBMX> sleepy495, uname -r
[05:43] <dthacker> sleepy495: uname -are
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I'm sure many do.
[05:43] <xenophile7x7> leejun: kinda a phishing attempt? like a false webpage that takes yoru pass, then transferws you to the real webpage with a 'pass incorrect' message?
[05:43] <dthacker> -are
[05:43] <dthacker> drat
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: we can only hope they haven't installed telnet or sshd
[05:43] <intelikey> lol
[05:43] <intelikey> yeah
[05:43] <intelikey> and vnc server
[05:44] <LameBMX> uname: invalid option -- e
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> xenophile7x7: no, it'd have to be something that was run locally by the unprivileged user.
[05:44] <intelikey> set kdm to allow remote login    and so forth
[05:44] <sleepy495> I guess I'm stuck if they don't have the right module
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: another good thing is that most people are behind routers, I suspect, so they aren't exposed.
[05:45] <LameBMX> for what sleepy495
[05:45] <intelikey> LeeJunFan some i'm sure.
[05:45] <xenophile7x7> well, obviously, but its the same concept. it'd be like a false CLI prompt. any input would be recorded and a pass workd error would be displayed, and youd be tranfered to the real prompt.
[05:45] <sleepy495> beryl, neeeded module 2.6.15-27 but they dont have it
[05:45] <LameBMX> roflmao
[05:46] <sleepy495> what
[05:46] <LameBMX> sorry we just had a lil discussion about beryl like 5 minutes ago
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> xenophile7x7: yeah, that as well. My thought was a simple bash script which would make a bash alias for sudo, when someone runs sudo it'll be intercepted by the wrapper script, which gains the password, then continues to run the sudo command as normal, not giving up the fact that anything is wrong at all.
[05:47] <xenophile7x7> could be implemented by replacing the CLI shortcut. user opens the infected cli, runs a command like sudo apt-get whatever, infected cli takes the pass, returns an error, and returns a  real prompt.
[05:47] <sleepy495> !svn
[05:47] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[05:47] <LameBMX> LeeJunFan, dont need an erro
[05:47] <xenophile7x7> hmmm...that'd be even better. be a hard script to write though
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> xenophile7x7: the point being that the same stupidity that gets windows infected by having a user click an e-mail attachment could be exploited on ubuntu and yeild the password the first time they run sudo.
[05:48] <xenophile7x7> lol, of course
[05:48] <LameBMX> sleepy495, id advice to stick to like 0.1.4 or whatever the last stable version was
[05:48] <xenophile7x7> layer 8 has the weakest security
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> xenophile7x7: heh, yeah.
[05:49] <LameBMX> yea anything would be fairly well open to that ..the hard part is gettin the theft app there without having elevated privledges
[05:49] <kubuntero> velle: aptitude search package
[05:50] <LameBMX> or as i feel things are ... are balancing act between keeping noobs out and maintaining ease of opertion
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> xenophile7x7: sudo -S causes the password to be read from the stdin instead of the terminal, so echo "password" | sudo $1 should do it.
[05:50] <intelikey> LeeJunFan like adding ./.bin/  to the users path and puting sudo in there with /usr/bin/sudo "$@" \n echo "$*" >> ~/.bin/.something           in it.
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> err, sudo -S $1
[05:50] <xenophile7x7> hmm...didnt know that
[05:50] <intelikey> come back in a while and do cat ~/.bin/.something
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> xenophile7x7: yeah, that makes it a lot easier to script in bash. :(
[05:51] <Ash-Fox> Heh, well looking under straces, I discovered Firefox kept trying to connect to something called 'nscd' for lookups for some reason. So I installed that daemon and suddenly firefox and resolve everything like every other application.
[05:51] <lovloss> is a socket A chip the same as a socket AM2?
[05:51] <LameBMX> lovloss, no
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: right, or have it quietly call a webpage to post or GET a form which submits the data you want.
[05:51] <velle> kubuntero: thanks, if i try using a regular exp, e.g. 'aptitude search *lime*' i get an error, isnt this regexp valid?
[05:52] <lovloss> So in other words, tigerdirect carries no cpu at *all* that will fit my socket a -.-
[05:52] <LameBMX> lovloss, that old of a computer .. yea .. cricky they barely carry 478 p4's
[05:52] <xenophile7x7> someone with more scripting experience than me should try it out lol
[05:53] <lovloss> LameBMX: Its not old, its just a cheap mobo. Boots from usb and everything
[05:53] <xenophile7x7> just a local script to see it you can get it to echo to the screen in clear text
[05:53] <intelikey> LeeJunFan if i was doing that i'd have it have it send the info by email and rm the copy and also rm it's self as soon as it exits.
[05:53] <LameBMX> and a socket a?
[05:53] <lovloss> LameBMX: yep. only cost me 60$
[05:53] <LameBMX> lovloss, how many pins on it
[05:53] <xenophile7x7> it it'll write to the screen, should be easy output it anywhere else
[05:53] <lovloss> LameBMX:  pins...?
[05:53] <LameBMX> thats .. what amd .. barton time
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, but keeping it on there means you get an update on the IP addy every time they connect. :)
[05:53] <kubuntero> velle: no
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> err every time they use sudo I mean.
[05:54] <kubuntero> just use it without the stars it'll find it
[05:54] <lovloss> LameBMX: well it is defiantely socket A, says so on the board
[05:54] <LameBMX> one sec lovloss
[05:54] <xenophile7x7> youd only need it once. lest they were on something like dial-up
[05:54] <velle> kubuntero: thanks
[05:54] <lovloss> Its a Winfast 748k7aa
[05:54] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yeah  but if you act as soon as it mails you then you can drop in and own the box  then you can do anything you want.
[05:54] <lovloss> Foxconn
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: true. Could easily have it install a rootkit as it's payload too.
[05:55] <xenophile7x7> leejun, jsut use sub7 lol. its the uber 1337'est
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> I've already got on here I've tried, but haven't played with much.
[05:56] <intelikey> there is a chance that even with all your percautions you can be caught doing things as a user,  sudo can leave a trail.
[05:56] <LameBMX> lovloss, barton was a specific athlon xp chip
[05:56] <kubuntero> LeeJunFan: Big difference is that they have to do work now
[05:56] <lovloss> LameBMX: So what does thta mean
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> here you go.
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> junfan@jkd:~/.sudo$ ./virusudo whoami
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> Password:
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> root
[05:57] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yes   "own" the box.   but at any rate.  i've been offtopic for an hour now.... i think that's enough.
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: :)
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> in the above I called my sudo wrapper, entered the password, and it showed my whoami as root, the password was saved in a file called .virusudo
[05:58] <LameBMX> lovloss, yea too old of a cpu .. not even on newegg .. try ebay ... look for barton :) its oc will make you happy
[05:58] <lovloss> i dont want to spend tons more than i have to. I have 150$ gift card for tigerdirect,and i can add money on top of that. but i really want to speed this machine up
[05:58] <lovloss> LameBMX: or i could get a new motherboard... but these days my memory might not even work right
[05:58] <LameBMX> lovloss, what you got in it now ... specifically ram and cpu
[05:59] <intelikey> yep.
[05:59] <intelikey> LeeJunFan now on this box  that wont work.
[05:59] <LameBMX> lovloss, its been my experience that spending the money on a good mobo is better than buying a faster cpu lol
[05:59] <lovloss> LameBMX: The cpu is a 1.5 ghz athlon sempron, with a 64k cache :P   The ram is 1 gig of ddr
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: how?
[06:00] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i'm mounted    nosuid    so sudo and su are worthless to anyone but root.    and the root account is still locked.
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: so you have to reboot to get root?
[06:01] <intelikey> one would have to commit insurection on a root console to get root access.    init opens a root console.
[06:01] <LameBMX> intelikey, isnt that a pain in the but though? or did you give ur self axx to mount?
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: ah, nice.
[06:02] <intelikey> and i have know for a long time that if you let me ahold of the keyboard the box is mine   so local security is not an issue
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, when it comes to physical security of my laptop that's where my .45 comes in :)
[06:02] <LameBMX> nice
[06:02] <intelikey> LameBMX being a console user anyway and having one console dedicated to root it's normal for me.
[06:03] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yep
[06:03] <lovloss> LameBMX: not sure exactly what type of ddr tho...  i know that the board handles  226 333 and 400
[06:03] <intelikey> 12ag here.
[06:03] <LameBMX> i feel ya intelikey ... even with xp and vista .. is was still stuck at the cli
[06:03] <LameBMX> and nix it makes things even easier ... cept for dir / ls .. ip vs if config
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> It's funny how people get so hooked on the GUI, whenever I have to use windows I find myself griping about the lack of a usable CLI.
[06:04] <intelikey> :)
[06:04] <LameBMX> but its all good .. play with xp then *nix and go hitup a real router ... and you head is spinning
[06:04] <intelikey> yep
[06:05] <LameBMX> LeeJunFan, the cli is very usable .. just everyone hides info about it .. walk people htough a gui
[06:05] <lovloss> anything i can type into the console to find out what kind of memory i have exactly?
[06:05] <lovloss> since you guys like consoles ^_^
[06:05] <intelikey> less /proc/meminfo
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> LameBMX: yeah, but the common network commands are neutered, traceroute, ping, etc.. no host command, no pingflooding to test for loss under load.
[06:06] <intelikey> lovloss less /proc/meminfo
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> of course I don't think I'd want windows to have a pingflood ability by default, bad enough all the spam coming from those botnets.
[06:06] <lovloss> I mean like what kind of ram it is...
[06:06] <intelikey> if that don't have the info you want try   lshw | less
[06:07] <lovloss> theres nowhere that will tell me whether its DDR this or DDR that...?
[06:07] <LameBMX> yea well that stuff is more settin an option for what nix has defaults ..
[06:07] <intelikey>   lshw | less
[06:07] <intelikey> close as i can think of .
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> wow, my CPU is 800MHz in size, is that BIG? :)
[06:08] <LameBMX> lovloss, if you havent built a system then dont play with building one .. or prepare yourself for a lot of learning and research
[06:09] <intelikey> lol
[06:09] <n0ne> hi2all
[06:09] <n0ne> can anyone help me with installing GCC?
[06:09] <intelikey> i guess that depends on how big a mhz really is   lol
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> !build-essential | n0ne
[06:09] <ubotu> n0ne: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:09] <sleepy495> any command to tell if I have 3d rendering
[06:09] <lovloss> LameBMX: :( I need to have a faster processor though
[06:10] <intelikey> n0ne you need to issue# sudo apt-get install buid-essential
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> sleepy495: glxinfo | grep "direct render"
[06:10] <LameBMX> 1/800MHz * (electrical travel speed ... Vdp or approx 70%-80% of the speed of light)
[06:11] <LameBMX> thats how big his hertz is lol
[06:11] <LameBMX> though tough luck finding the Vdp spec for cpu traces
[06:11] <kubuntero> nightall
[06:12] <LameBMX> direct rendering: No .... :\ ... kinda makes me
[06:12] <LameBMX> miss aiglx
[06:12] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i have on box that does not have "login" installed.   they are all "nosuid" and i figured if i had init open one root console  why not have it open a user console too and do away with logins all togather   all accounts on that box are locked and there is not getty    hehhe and it does run kde btw.
[06:13] <intelikey> on box/one box
[06:13] <dustin|sleep> lovloss, it's really not _that_ hard though, if you're willing to do a bit of reading first.
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: hehe, so long as you don't need remote.
[06:14] <intelikey> LeeJunFan heh yeah it's remote out only.  :)
[06:14] <n0ne> omg i can't understand how2install gcc...
[06:14] <aakarsh> i just tried kontact with my imap account and it choked
[06:14] <aakarsh> apparently 3000 messages is too much for it
[06:14] <intelikey> n0ne you need to issue# sudo apt-get install buid-essential
[06:15] <n0ne> and so?
[06:15] <n0ne> i wrote it
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> aakarsh: yeah, it can take a long time to proc that many messages. I hate when I forget to empty my trash until 10k messages.
[06:15] <intelikey> n0ne it's that simple.                                                                                                             sudo apt-get install buid-essential
[06:15] <n0ne> i wrote it
[06:15] <LameBMX> the physical building of a computer is easy ... gettin parts setup will work takes a little bit of research ... setting up a computer whoes parts compliment each other is a lot more difficult
[06:15] <intelikey> in a konsole
[06:15] <n0ne> yea
[06:15] <intelikey> and it said ?
[06:15] <intelikey> don't flood the channel
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: if you have multiple lines use pastebin
[06:16] <n0ne> .. %
[06:16] <n0ne>   ... 
[06:16] <n0ne> E:   build-essential
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> hehe, we must be preemptive strike kind of guys.
[06:16] <n0ne> i got this
[06:16] <LameBMX> konqueror or firefox ?!?!?! whats the opinions
[06:16] <intelikey> ok can you translate that for me ?
[06:16] <n0ne> i dunno what that mean
[06:16] <intelikey> the line tha starts with E:
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> okay, either I'm missing that fontset or the Joker is trying to send secret messages to catwoman.
[06:17] <LameBMX> !pastebin n0ne
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin n0ne - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <vulcanius> is anyone here running an install of dapper drake server? i need a copy of the sources.list if possible
[06:17] <LameBMX> !pastebin | n0ne
[06:17] <ubotu> n0ne: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <Jucato> hehe ditto... I'm seeing diamonds :)
[06:17] <LameBMX> i got cirlce ? marks lol
[06:17] <vulcanius> nevermind that request
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> diamonds with question marks in them here.
[06:18] <dwidmann> yes, lots of them
[06:18] <Jucato> % to
[06:18] <LameBMX> id copy and past to show you what im seeing .. but you all would just see what you want to see anyways lol
[06:18] <LameBMX> so fine then dont belienve me :P
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[06:20] <intelikey> modem reset
[06:20] <n0ne> latest stable
[06:20] <intelikey> latest stable ???? warty ?
[06:20] <intelikey> hoary ?
[06:20] <intelikey> breezy ?
[06:20] <coreymon77> wait what?
[06:20] <intelikey> lol
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: hehe, that's what I was wondering - if it was older gcc was not in main.
[06:20] <dwidmann> warty, and stable in the same setence?
[06:21] <coreymon77> isnt edgy the latest stable
[06:21] <coreymon77> ?
[06:21] <n0ne> edgy i think
[06:21] <intelikey> dwidmann like edgy and stable in the same breath
[06:21] <n0ne> dunno man, i've just downloaded GCC from theyr website, but can't ./configure it
[06:21] <dwidmann> I don't know, edgy seems relatively stable to me ...
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> no, now this is funny - vista stable
[06:21] <Jucato> :O
[06:21] <LameBMX> lmao
[06:22] <intelikey> n0ne why dl from their site ?
[06:22] <n0ne> why not?
[06:22] <coreymon77> who comes up with these crazy names
[06:22] <dwidmann> warty segfaulted on me every five minutes, and froze every half hour, which is why I kept debian and didn't move to kubuntu til breezy
[06:22] <coreymon77> hoary hedgehog
[06:22] <intelikey> cause you can't compile gcc without gcc ?
[06:22] <coreymon77> breezy badger
[06:22] <coreymon77> dapper drake
[06:22] <coreymon77> edgy eft
[06:22] <coreymon77> feisty fawn
[06:22] <n0ne> YEA, he can't find compiler
[06:22] <intelikey> won't that be a recursive error
[06:22] <coreymon77> who comes up with these crazy names
[06:23] <n0ne> and i dunno what to do, cus all programs are looking for gcc to ./configure themselves
[06:23] <Tm_T> coreymon77: Us.
[06:23] <coreymon77> and what was "a"
[06:23] <coreymon77> amuzing aardvark?
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: need to figure out why sudo apt-get install build-essential isn't working.
[06:23] <intelikey> why is anything wanting ./configure ?
[06:23] <intelikey> n0ne this is a .deb distro.
[06:23] <Tm_T> coreymon77: There wasn't any "a".
[06:23] <intelikey> not a source distor n0ne
[06:23] <Jucato> Tm_T: g'day sir! :)
[06:24] <intelikey> distro
[06:24] <Tm_T> Hi kids.
[06:24] <n0ne> omg look at this
[06:24] <coreymon77> or "c" cryptic cockatoo?
[06:24] <vulcanius> gross, 12:30am and i was still wearing my oncall pager
[06:24] <vulcanius> eeewwww
[06:24] <Dasnipa> intelikey, why wouldnt one want ./configure... i happen to do a lot of dev on my *buntu machine
[06:24] <n0ne> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[06:24] <Tm_T> coreymon77: That neither I think.
[06:24] <Jucato> n0ne: what are you trying to compile?
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> I wanted flatulent ferret for F, but that didn't fly.
[06:24] <n0ne> i'm tryin' to install GCC
[06:24] <intelikey> n0ne that's what we've been telling you.
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: you can't compile your compiler without a compiler.
[06:25] <dwidmann> flatulent ferret ./
[06:25] <Tm_T> coreymon77: warty hoary breezy dapper edgy feisty
[06:25] <intelikey> use the ubuntu package.
[06:25] <Jucato> n0ne: you can't compile GCC, because you need GCC to compile things
[06:25] <dwidmann> man,that's brilliant :D
[06:25] <n0ne> yea, so how to install it?!
[06:25] <Jucato> dwidmann: Feisty Fawn is the name of the next release
[06:25] <dwidmann> Jucato, I know that.
[06:25] <Jucato> n0ne: why do you need to install GCC?
[06:25] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:25] <Tm_T> Hrr, work. ->
[06:25] <dwidmann> in fact, I know lots of things
[06:25] <coreymon77> and g will be?
[06:25] <n0ne> it's not work i think
[06:25] <coreymon77> greedy goose?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> what's next beryl?
[06:25] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:25] <n0ne> u saw the message it gave me
[06:26] <intelikey> maybe i typoed
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> Gabby Gander
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> well, not really.
[06:26] <xenophile7x7> corey: gutted gopher
[06:26] <intelikey> try again.
[06:26] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:26] <n0ne> same thing
[06:26] <coreymon77> h?
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: we couldn't read it, lost in translation.
[06:26] <coreymon77> or
[06:26] <coreymon77> there was an h
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> Gory Gopher
[06:26] <coreymon77> i
[06:26] <n0ne> i can't read it too!!!
[06:26] <coreymon77> insane idiot windows users
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: so that screwy text is what you see too?
[06:27] <Jucato> L\:O
[06:27] <xenophile7x7> lol, ya'll are harsh
[06:27] <n0ne> yea!!
[06:27] <coreymon77> lets take guesses on what "i" will be
[06:27] <xenophile7x7> there ARE worse things than windows
[06:27] <coreymon77> :O
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> inane idiot
[06:27] <dwidmann> insane idiot...that could (almost) be an ubuntu release name, shame it would have my picture next to it
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: okay, that's a new one by me. I think your locals are wrong maybe.
[06:28] <coreymon77> ya
[06:28] <n0ne> ok, i'll try now to change my codepage
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: what country are you in?
[06:28] <n0ne> russia
[06:28] <coreymon77> theyve reached a new vista of crappiness
[06:28] <coreymon77> okay now "j"
[06:28] <coreymon77> joking jakyl?
[06:28] <xenophile7x7> jackass joo
[06:29] <intelikey> xenophile7x7 what's worse than windows ?
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> Inky Iguana
[06:29] <xenophile7x7> well theres......
[06:29] <xenophile7x7> ummm...
[06:29] <xenophile7x7> you know, like uhh...
[06:29] <coreymon77> Linux_Galore: we are on "j" now
[06:29] <intelikey> that's what i thought.
[06:29] <xenophile7x7> hmmm...
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> aaaw
[06:29] <xenophile7x7> lol
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> Jumping Jaffle
[06:30] <coreymon77> k?
[06:30] <coreymon77> kicking koala?
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> L
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> Lame Lama
[06:30] <xenophile7x7> lickable lynx
[06:30] <coreymon77> lying llama
[06:31] <coreymon77> m
[06:31] <intelikey> leaping limming
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> lemming
[06:31] <coreymon77> moochy mouse
[06:31] <xenophile7x7> mad martian
[06:31] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: maybe this will help: sudo dpkg-reconfigure localeconf
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> maverick mouse
[06:31] <coreymon77> n
[06:31] <intelikey> mossy muskrat
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> nutty nelly
[06:31] <xenophile7x7> naughty nincompoop
[06:31] <dwidmann> mysterious mongoose?
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: although I would think that even with wrong locales you should get something more than diamonds and questions marks, or whatever it was you saw.
[06:32] <coreymon77> o
[06:32] <intelikey> nude nute
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> try make one with Z
[06:32] <xenophile7x7> she turned me into a newt!
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> or X
[06:32] <xenophile7x7> .....i got better...
[06:32] <coreymon77> x
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> Xenophobic Xylophone
[06:32] <xenophile7x7> zany zebra
[06:32] <coreymon77> something xylophone
[06:33] <dwidmann> just what species of animal is a xylophone (kidding)
[06:33] <xenophile7x7> what species is a dapper?
[06:33] <coreymon77> and then
[06:33] <coreymon77> xenophile7x7: drake
[06:33] <coreymon77> dapper drake
[06:33] <intelikey> anamil mineral or vegtable ?
[06:34] <coreymon77> and then
[06:34] <xenophile7x7> right
[06:34] <xenophile7x7> i knew that
[06:34] <coreymon77> back to
[06:34] <xenophile7x7> i was just testin ya'll
[06:34] <coreymon77> FARTING/FLATULENT FERRET!!
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> Gastric Gazelle
[06:34] <coreymon77> or f**king if you rather use a swear
[06:34] <dwidmann> zoned-out zebra?
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> Hemmoroidal Heffer
[06:35] <intelikey> overt ostrich
[06:35] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Please refrain from using that language, even if commented out
[06:35] <intelikey> you never got  o
[06:35] <coreymon77> Hawkwind: nobodys asking for help now, so we are just having fun
[06:35] <Tm_T> ...
[06:35] <Murchadh> Outsourced Ostrich....
[06:35] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: So be it, but it still needs to go to #Kubuntu-OffTopic
[06:35] <LameBMX> okay fellas .. where do i add startup progs for kde
[06:36] <coreymon77> killjoy
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> Murchadh: hrm, I was trying to think of somethign for ostrich.
[06:36] <dwidmann> ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:36] <Murchadh> LeeJunFan: Hehe
[06:36] <Linux_Galore> LameBMX: kcontrol or just logout with the stuff running
[06:36] <intelikey> LameBMX ~/.kde/auto  yeah what he said
[06:36] <coreymon77> orange ostrich
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Ughhhh
[06:36] <intelikey> ovulating ostrich ?
[06:37] <Hawkwind> Can we please stop and take it to #Kubuntu-OffTopic
[06:37] <coreymon77> killjoy
[06:37] <LameBMX> yea i hate doin the logout thing .. too much testing ... + it never remembers the dang dpms due to xgl lol
[06:37] <n0ne> erm...can't make it readable
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> LameBMX: yeah, my xgl starts up via .Xsession, so I put the dpms crap in there.
[06:38] <coreymon77> and how is this offtopic
[06:38] <LameBMX> hmmm thats an option too ... :/
[06:38] <intelikey> n0ne that doesn't look like any dpkg error iv ever seen
[06:38] <coreymon77> its about kubuntu
[06:38] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: This is a *help* channel.  Don't argue about it, just please do as you were asked
[06:38] <n0ne> i think i'll just install gentoo linux and have no problems like this
[06:39] <intelikey> n0ne repost that last line of it please.    remember my modem reset and i lost it.
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: man, sorry I don't know... Maybe if you explain to someone in #ubuntu about the fact that your output from apt-get to the console comes back as odd chars they will have an idea, there's more people there - chances are better.
[06:39] <n0ne> repost last line of what?
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: That's the best starting point, because we can't troubleshoot why you can't install gcc until we can read the output from apt-get.
[06:39] <intelikey> the error message
[06:39] <intelikey> E: *
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: it was just E: (chars) build-essential
[06:40] <n0ne> E:   build-essential
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> so it errored, but we can't read why.
[06:40] <Jucato> what on earth is that.... :O
[06:40] <intelikey> yes but i wanted to compare length
[06:41] <intelikey> E: Couldn't find package
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> I don't get why it displays some text correctly but not others, maybe perl locales is messed up? apt-get uses perl doesn't it?
[06:41] <intelikey> hmmm odd
[06:41] <Jucato> the other text must be international charcters of some sort?
[06:41] <LameBMX> k is there a space after the shebang or not
[06:42] <n0ne> so what2do?
[06:43] <Jucato> !ru
[06:43] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:43] <Jucato> ha! looks like it *is* russian...
[06:44] <intelikey> doesn't look like it to me.
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: yeah, but it doesn't display right for him locally either.
[06:44] <Jucato> ok now that's just strange :)
[06:44] <n0ne> yea it's russian
[06:44] <n0ne> says Please go to #ubuntu-ru for help in russian language
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> and the fonts from the !ru show up correctly here, but his dont.
[06:44] <dwidmann>  doesn'tlook like a russian character to me
[06:45] <n0ne> it's not russian character
[06:45] <intelikey> the only matching char is the 
[06:45] <n0ne> omg, it's just diamond and ? in it
[06:45] <dwidmann> Yes, that's what we see
[06:46] <intelikey> oh wait i see one other matching char
[06:46] <intelikey> 
[06:46] <manchicken|away> That'd be a non-printable character.  You just don't have the appropriate font for it.
[06:46] <n0ne> =))))))))))
[06:46] <LeeJunFan> I wonder if reconfig of libc would fix it? ne1?
[06:47] <manchicken|away> Or the appropriate charset, or whatever.  It's too late for logic.
[06:47] <manchicken|away> It's sleepytime.
[06:47] <intelikey> notlikely LeeJunFan
[06:47] <manchicken|away> One may be using unicode where the other may not be.  Dunno.
[06:47] <n0ne> omg i think it'll be easyer to install gentoo linux
[06:47] <manchicken|away> libc won't fix it though.
[06:47] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Why do you say that?  Kubuntu's install is quite easy.
[06:48] <intelikey> the thing that puzzels me is the english text on both ends of that line.
[06:48] <manchicken|away> And you might want to install more than just the kernel.
[06:48] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[06:48] <n0ne> install yea, but packages included - sux
[06:48] <manchicken|away> n0ne: That's what apt-get is for.
[06:48] <manchicken|away> n0ne: You can only fit so much onto a single CD.
[06:48] <n0ne> but it's not working for me
[06:48] <intelikey> na he wants to compile everything
[06:48] <manchicken|away> n0ne: What's not working about it?
[06:49] <n0ne> omfg...
[06:49] <manchicken|away> If you want to compile everything, you could just apt-get source --compile package
[06:49] <n0ne> nevermind
[06:49] <intelikey> manchicken|away he tried to install build-essential so he could compile gcc   go figure
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> manchicken|away: apt-get wont work, but because of fubar fonts we can't tell why not. So the first order of business would be to determine why we/he can't read his text from apt-get.
[06:50] <intelikey> and apt errored out.
[06:51] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Hey son, I just walked into your wining.  A little patience will go a long way.
[06:51] <manchicken|away> Did you set up the character set properly?
[06:51] <intelikey> manchicken|away note his error message.  <n0ne> E:   build-essential
[06:51] <manchicken|away> Try `echo $LANG`
[06:51] <manchicken|away> What do you get?
[06:51] <Jucato> go go manchicken|away!
[06:52] <n0ne> ru_RU.KOI8-R
[06:52] <kakalto> "[18:47]  <n0ne> omg i think it'll be easyer to install gentoo linux" >>> LOL. Actually, I find a gentoo install quite easy - because all you have to do is exactly what the guide tells you to do
[06:52] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Is that the correct language?
[06:52] <intelikey> yes ru
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: uh, how about this - have you changed the fonts on your system in kde settings at all or in the konsole settings?
[06:53] <n0ne> it's russian
[06:53] <n0ne> nop
[06:53] <manchicken|away> n0ne: And you want KOI8-R?
[06:53] <n0ne> I want only to install gcc!!
[06:53] <dwidmann> and if you haven't changed fonts, maybe you need to?
[06:53] <manchicken|away> n0ne: You could do `export LANG='en_US.UTF-8'` and it'll give you english.
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: we realize you want to install gcc, but we can't figure out why apt-get install build-essential wont' work when all we see are question marks.
[06:53] <manchicken|away> (assuming you have English internationalization stuff installed)
[06:54] <intelikey> manchicken|away LANG=C should always work
[06:54] <manchicken|away> intelikey: That is true.
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> manchicken|away: that might not work if that isn't installed on his system.
[06:55] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Type `export LANG='C'` and then try to install it.  See if you get better error messages.
[06:55] <n0ne> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[06:55] <manchicken|away> Regardless, I'm going to bed in 4 minutes.
[06:55] <manchicken|away> Thereyou go.
[06:55] <manchicken|away> It can't find the package.
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: good guess on that :)
[06:55] <manchicken|away> Try apt-get update
[06:55] <intelikey> that's how i translated it the first time.
[06:56] <n0ne> Reading package lists... Done
[06:56] <n0ne> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:56] <n0ne> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[06:56] <intelikey> LeeJunFan what you say guess ?
[06:56] <n0ne> it's after update
[06:56] <intelikey> LeeJunFan :)
[06:56] <Jucato> n0ne: fresh install from a Live CD?
[06:56] <n0ne> yup
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> sry, I didn't realize that joker was among the 7 languages you knew :p
[06:56] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list up on a paste server.
[06:56] <Jucato> !paste
[06:56] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[06:56] <Jucato> I'm guessing he still has the cdrom repo enabled
[06:57] <Jucato> (and since the Live CD doesn't have b-e...)
[06:57] <Jucato> hehe hi Admiral_Chicago! :)
[06:57] <intelikey> LeeJunFan it's my first  lol
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: or none if network setup was skipped.
[06:57] <manchicken|away> Even if he has that, shouldn't it be going from the online sources, too?
[06:57] <jordo23> If you download a podcast through amarok where does it save to?
[06:57] <Jucato> it should, sometimes it doesn't...
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> haven't been in this channel in a long time.
[06:57] <Jucato> jordo23: try snooping around in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> if no networking is found, everything is commented out except for the CD
[06:58] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: wb :)
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[06:58] <intelikey> !seen Admiral_Chicago
[06:58] <n0ne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1016/
[06:58] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago is on IRC right now!
[06:58] <manchicken|away> Bed time in T-3 minutes
[06:58] <intelikey> bah too late to catch him at that.
[06:58] <manchicken|away> LMAO
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: you just need to enable repositories.
[06:58] <Jucato> manchicken|away: sleepy head :)
[06:58] <n0ne> how?
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: uncommenting them.
[06:59] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Uncomment all of the repositories with "main" in the title.
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> !repos | n0ne
[06:59] <ubotu> n0ne: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:59] <manchicken|away> n0ne: Remove the # in front of it.
[06:59] <manchicken|away> n0ne: And any spaces.
[06:59] <n0ne> ok
[06:59] <manchicken|away> Then do apt-get update, and then your install.
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: then run sudo apt-get update
[06:59] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[06:59] <manchicken|away> And on that note, I bid you all good night.
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: then you should be able to sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> manchicken|away: gnight
[07:00] <manchicken|away> Hasta manana.  A demain.
[07:00] <Jucato> manchicken|away: bye!!!
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1017/
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> n0ne: use that
[07:00] <jordo23> Jucato
[07:00] <jordo23> Found it thanks
[07:00] <Jucato> jordo23: kool
[07:02] <vulcanius> php5-mysql: Depends: php5-common (= 5.1.2-1ubuntu3) but 5.1.2-1ubuntu3.4 is to be installed
[07:02] <vulcanius> like wtf mate
[07:02] <vulcanius> i shall splay you like a foul pig
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> vulcanius: you got non ubuntu repositories in sources.list?
[07:03] <dwidmann> vulcanius, sounds like your updates repository and the regular and the security aren't playing nicely, make sure you still have all three turned on
[07:03] <vulcanius> i've got security commented out right now
[07:03] <vulcanius> guess i should enable them, phooey
[07:04] <junocdx> I guess I'm still having issues with my sources.list
[07:04] <dwidmann> Yeah, php updates tend to find their way into the security repo
[07:04] <junocdx> damn java packages
[07:04] <vulcanius> heh, dwidmann....so true...so true
[07:05] <dwidmann> junocdx, try changing mirrors
[07:05] <n0ne> nop same error
[07:05] <vulcanius> my hands smell funny
[07:05] <junocdx> is there a list of active mirrors?
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> n0ne: did you do "sudo apt-get update"
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> no quotes
[07:05] <intelikey> you did   sudo apt-get update   ?
[07:06] <n0ne> yea, forgot it)
[07:06] <dwidmann> junocdx, probably, I'll check the list
[07:06] <dwidmann> generally it's the two character country code, followed by .archive.ubuntu.com, archive.ubuntu.com without a prefix is the main mirror
[07:06] <n0ne> OMG!!! IT"S DOWNLOADING!!!!
[07:07] <n0ne> hoooraaayayyyy
[07:07] <junocdx> i had us. which didnt work with your java script, and I took out the us. like we did last night and still nothing
[07:07] <Murchadh> vulcanius: Did you sudo apt-wash hands!
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> well, 1AM, I'm off to bed.
[07:07] <dwidmann> apt-get cleanh ands?
[07:07] <n0ne> thank you all :)
[07:07] <vulcanius> no, i didn't something else with apt
[07:07] <Jucato> apt-get remove head
[07:07] <intelikey> n0ne now.  forget about compiling.  and learn to use the package managers     there are over 12000 packages to choose from.
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> I have a feeling that n0ne is using english fonts with russian lang somehow with apt-get, if you had pasted that to the russian channel they probably could have read it.
[07:08] <Jucato> heh... I can't believe I'm hearing that from intelikey :)
[07:08] <dwidmann> intelikey, I think it's closer to 20,000
[07:08] <n0ne> thx)
[07:08] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i thought it was closer to 20K
[07:08] <intelikey> n0ne if you want it installed chances are there is a package.deb ready
[07:08] <Jucato> intelikey: it's 20,000+ if you include multiverse
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> I dunno how many but my local mirror of i386 is about 14Gigs.
[07:09] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago and dwidmann edgy is near 18k  but dapper was less.
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> !adept | n0ne
[07:09] <ubotu> n0ne: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:09] <Jucato> edgy has 20,000+ really
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> n0ne: although in order to get all those packages you also want to enable the universe lines.
[07:10] <dwidmann> I'll have to check how many I have available
[07:10] <intelikey> you did specify multiverse and restricted.   i was not including them.
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> LeeJunFan: I put htem in there
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> if he used my paste bin
[07:10] <LeeJunFan> Admiral_Chicago: okay, cool.
[07:11] <dwidmann> I have 19,901 available in edgy x86_64
[07:11] <intelikey> hmm with multiverse i suppose.
[07:11] <junocdx> dwidmann: mplayer32 doesnt install in edgy
[07:11] <junocdx> dwidmann: heheheheeeeee
[07:11] <dwidmann> however, I've got the beryl mirror inmy list too .
[07:12] <dwidmann> junocdx: I know it doesn't, the package doesn't work in edgy.
[07:12] <junocdx> mmk
[07:12] <matthew__> hi, im new and i need help, i just downloaded firefox rpm file now how do i install?
[07:12] <Jucato> :O
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew__: in konsole, type "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[07:12] <intelikey> matthew delete it.
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> no quotes
[07:13] <junocdx> how do I go about using WINE?
[07:13] <intelikey> matthew__ delete that .rpm  and use the package manager to install the one in the repos.
[07:13] <matthew__> done, entered password, now its working something
[07:14] <intelikey> junocdx wine blah.exe
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew__: what version are you usuing?
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> of Ubuntu that is
[07:14] <matthew__> im using kubuntu 6.10
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, then you'll get 2.0
[07:15] <Jucato> 2.0.0.1 to be exact :)
[07:15] <junocdx> intelikey:  eh?
[07:15] <matthew__> cool thanks
[07:15] <matthew__> now how do i get limewire?
[07:15] <Jucato> !limewire
[07:15] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[07:16] <Dasnipa> beta 6 of gaim coming out soon woot then feature freeze for full release. ill soon find out if they accept my patch
[07:16] <junocdx> !java
[07:16] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[07:16] <intelikey> junocdx wine file.exe    to run file.exe in wine.     wine is wine is not an emulator but it works a lot like one.
[07:16] <dwidmann> junocdx, navigating to the directory with the .exe setup file, and running it like "wine setup.exe" or similar will run it, then it should appear in your kmenu after.
[07:16] <junocdx> would I copy a program from my windows partition into the program files directory?
[07:17] <intelikey> why not run it in place ?
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Dasnipa: really, hmm I should read planet Gaim
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> it'll be in Feisty correct?
[07:17] <dwidmann> junocdx, I don't think so,but that m ight work
[07:18] <Dasnipa> Admiral_Chicago, i would assume so since 2.0 will be out of beta like next month
[07:18] <junocdx> well I'd like to run guitar pro in linux if at all possible.  =D
[07:18] <junocdx> I'll play with it a bit
[07:18] <intelikey> just wondering what client you setteled on...
[07:19] <dwidmann> junocdx, you can just run the regular installer with wine, and it either will or won't work. To find out a track record of what works and what doesn't, check http://appdb.winehq.org
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Dasnipa: sweet, i really hope so
[07:22] <matthew__> !vine
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <phex_> !wine
[07:22] <lnxkde> sup!?
[07:22] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:22] <matthew__> whats this vine thing you can run windows .exe file? is that included with kubunto?
[07:23] <Jucato> !wine | matthew__
[07:23] <ubotu> matthew__: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:23] <matthew__> ty i'll check it out.
[07:24] <olgab> hi
[07:24] <OolaB> xorg broke :(
[07:25] <stdin> broke how?
[07:25] <intelikey> !xorg
[07:25] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:25] <stdin> !xconfig
[07:25] <dthacker> I need to burn 50 kubuntu CD's for an installfest.  Is there a way to verify them at the command line instead of loading them and running the validate utility?
[07:25] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[07:25] <Jucato> I'm guessing he took one end in each hand and snapped X into two..
[07:25] <junocdx> cant you use the keyboard shortcut to restart X also?
[07:25] <junocdx> or does it do something different?
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !md5 | dthacker
[07:26] <ubotu> dthacker: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[07:26] <Jucato> junocdx: yes, but if and only if X is running anyway
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> where is your install going to be dthacker?
[07:26] <OolaB> When upgrading to Edgy, apparently it won't install xorg (nor kubuntu-desktop), and installing the dependencies will result in me losing all SDL packages
[07:26] <stdin> dthacker: yes, just download the md5sum from the same place you downloaded the cd image
[07:26] <dthacker> Admiral_Chicago: tnx
[07:26] <intelikey> broke X = > <
[07:26] <Jucato> intelikey: lol
[07:26] <OolaB> Should I try doing this anyway even if SDL stuff breaks?
[07:26] <OolaB> (or gets removed rather)
[07:27] <dthacker> Omaha, Nebraska on January 20th
[07:27] <dwidmann> dthacker, have k3b check the md5 sum by checking the box "verify written data" checkbox
[07:27] <Admiral_Chicago> dthacker: i heard about your install fest, trying to start a LoCo there too right?
[07:27] <dthacker> yep
[07:28] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, maybe the Chicago LoCo can mail you some shipits
[07:28] <Admiral_Chicago> may I pm you?
[07:28] <dthacker> yes, please
[07:29] <Jucato> no you may not! :P
[07:30] <jordo23> jucato: Is there a way to get a list of the stuff that ubotu tells users about?
[07:30] <intelikey> !ubotu
[07:30] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:30] <Jucato> :)
[07:30] <jordo23> Nice
[07:31] <Jucato> thanks for answering for me...wasn't paying attention :)
[07:31] <dwidmann> either that, or type in !somethingrandom and ubotu will spit on it, and give you the page
[07:31] <intelikey> sorry didn't notice it was to you Jucato   lol
[07:31] <stdin> or you ca just /msg ubotu something
[07:32] <intelikey> !botabuse
[07:32] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:32] <jordo23> No matter
[07:32] <intelikey> !botsnack
[07:32] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:33] <jordo23> intelikey: I just kind of wanted a list of things that it tells people about...
[07:33] <jordo23> !playahater
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about playahater - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <jordo23> lol
[07:33] <intelikey> did you not look at the link
[07:33] <jordo23> Yeah....there now....
[07:33] <intelikey> http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl   <  ^
[07:35] <jordo23> !amarok
[07:35] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[07:35] <jordo23> Thanks for the link
[07:36] <OolaB> Well it looks like it's time for me to restart and see if my computer will be able to boot. see yas later \o
[07:36] <junocdx> why doesnt my wallpaper change? =(
[07:37] <php-freak> any one know why my videos aren't playing, I have all the codecs installed
[07:37] <dwidmann> php-freak, which sort of videos?
[07:37] <php-freak> like the file ext.?
[07:37] <matthew__> ugg, keyoboard stuffing up >< keep repeating a char 333 times even though i only press the kkkkkey once
[07:37] <php-freak> web browser based videos
[07:38] <dwidmann> hmm, try using kmplayer?
[07:38] <firecrotch> junocdx: What happens when you try to change your background?
[07:38] <dwidmann> !kmplayer
[07:38] <ubotu> kmplayer: media player for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 187 kB, installed size 620 kB
[07:38] <php-freak> its web based browser
[07:38] <php-freak> through firefox
[07:39] <junocdx> firecrotch:  nothing
[07:39] <junocdx> firecrotch: and "refreshing" the desktop does nothing either
[07:39] <dwidmann> php-freak, well, I don't know what to use with firefox ... I always used kmplayer with konqueror, works flawlessly
[07:41] <OlgaB> Hah, I actually managed to upgrade with minimal damage.
[07:41] <matthew__> congrats :)
[07:41] <firecrotch> junocdx: That's a weird one... what about opening the image that you want to use as your wallpaper in Konqueror and right clicking and choosing "Set as Desktop Wallpaper"
[07:41] <OlgaB> I just need to reinstall SDL and my graphics drivers
[07:42] <OlgaB> Then I can play Neverwinter Nights
[07:42] <OlgaB> Edgy Eft is shiny :o
[07:43] <php-freak> hehe knoquer works, but firefox don
[07:43] <php-freak> tdont
[07:43] <php-freak> okay this is fine i can watch my porn on this
[07:43] <firecrotch> junocdx: Erm... actually, you can't do that from Konq, it appears...
[07:43] <junocdx> firecrotch: that worked, but the colors are all screwy.
[07:44] <firecrotch> Oh I guess you can do it from Konq then
[07:44] <junocdx> ;)
[07:44] <junocdx> guess so
[07:44] <junocdx> but it seems like my color depth is off or something
[07:44] <dwidmann> php-freak, that's just wonderful
[07:44] <firecrotch> In your desktop settings, do you have some sort of color blending on?
[07:44] <junocdx> nope
[07:45] <stdin> firecrotch, junocdx: right click the image, Actions -> Set as Background ?
[07:45] <OlgaB> "Befehl adept nicht gefunden." :(
[07:45] <StingRay> Good Morning, stdin.
[07:45] <stdin> morning StingRay :)
[07:45] <junocdx> stdin: yes.
[07:45] <stdin> didn't see that one before :p
[07:46] <firecrotch> stdin: I figured there was some way to do it in Konq, I just never use konq :p
[07:46] <stdin> firecrotch: neither do I, I mostly use a terminal for file browsing :p
[07:48] <OlgaB> I think [K|X] Ubuntu is about the Kutest linux distro
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago> goodnight all,
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago>  /msg me if you need me for something important.
[07:49] <stdin> ooh, k3b 1.0 is out, didn't know that either
[07:49] <KaoticEvil> hmmm... does Konversation support multiple servers?
[07:49] <ShuT> yup
[07:49] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: yes
[07:49] <firecrotch> Does anyone have any idea when KDE4 is planned for release?
[07:49] <Tm_T> firecrotch: This year.
[07:49] <avalon>  can someone please explain to me how to tell my system to use my USB logitech headset as the default device for playing sounds on throughout my system? IT's still trying to run it through my motherboard
[07:50] <intelikey> !sound
[07:50] <KaoticEvil> Jucato: how?
[07:50] <firecrotch> Tm_T: That really narrows it down :p
[07:50] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:50] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: press F2 and click on Add?
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> ABATTOIR!!!!!!!
[07:50] <Tm_T> firecrotch: Well, that's how it's planned IIRC, this year, hopefully sooner than later.
[07:50] <stdin> firecrotch: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[07:51] <avalon> Well, I'm not having problems with the detection, just the fact that everything wants to play through the motherboard rather than the USB
[07:51] <KaoticEvil> does it allow more than one connected server at a time is what i meant
[07:51] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: yes
[07:51] <KaoticEvil> ok
[07:51] <Tm_T> KaoticEvil: Sure.
[07:51] <KaoticEvil> same procedure?
[07:51] <Jucato> yes
[07:51] <firecrotch> So we might get it in 7.10?
[07:52] <Jucato> firecrotch: nope
[07:52] <firecrotch> Jucato: Why not?
[07:52] <Jucato> feisty+1, but not even that is certain
[07:52] <Jucato> firecrotch: might be 2nd half of this year
[07:52] <firecrotch> 7.10 would be feisty+1 :p
[07:52] <KaoticEvil> there we go.. thanks :)
[07:52] <junocdx> what is this "hiding" in KDE?
[07:53] <Jucato> firecrotch: oh yeah lol
[07:53] <Jucato> sorry about that :)
[07:53] <KaoticEvil> running the live DVD right now... not used to konversation
[07:53] <Jucato> but that still depends.. if they release KDE 4 in novemeber :)
[07:53] <Tm_T> firecrotch: Sure we might get via unofficial repository, I doubt as part of release.
[07:54] <firecrotch> Well, I for one am hoping for sooner rather than later, and that it is included officially in feisty+1
[07:54] <Jucato> we all hope for sooner. but if haste makes waste, I can be patient
[07:55] <Tm_T> Yup, released when ready to be released.
[07:55] <avalon> So no short way of just saying put everything through the usb headset eh?
[07:55] <n0ne> hi2all again
[07:55] <n0ne> can anyone help me with sound?: )
[07:55] <n0ne> i mean i have no sound
[07:56] <Tm_T> avalon: Sorry, haven't touched usb headsets or sorts ever.
[07:56] <firecrotch> n0ne: Are your speakers plugged in? Volume not muted? You'd be surprised how many times I've seen people ask me to "fix their sound" and the speakers just weren't plugged in
[07:56] <KaoticEvil> i cant wait till i get my new computer so i can try this on a real running box instead of the live
[07:56] <KaoticEvil> likin edgy so far tho
[07:57] <n0ne> let me check, one moment
[07:58] <intelikey> !sound | n0ne
[07:58] <ubotu> n0ne: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:58] <n0ne> yea, it's not muted and and speakers are plugged in
[08:00] <intelikey> what part of that first page makes me wonder who wrote it   "... speaker icon appears on panel; left click on icon; preferences;... "   when did left click bring up that menu ?
[08:01] <Tm_T> :p
[08:01] <stdin> if you set your mouse to left handed :p
[08:01] <Tm_T> intelikey: Sometimes, but 99 % of cases it's rightclick.
[08:01] <Jucato> intelikey: GNOME?
[08:01] <Tm_T> Hrrr.
[08:01] <intelikey> your other left soldier
[08:03] <farkr> how come kubuntu.com seems to want pepole to use edgy (it's the main version they show available for download. in fact i dont even see dapper on there)?
[08:03] <stdin> you mean kubuntu.org ?
[08:03] <Jucato> kubuntu.com just redirects
[08:03] <intelikey> or ubuntu.com
[08:04] <n0ne> so how to fix my sound?
[08:04] <stdin> farkr: so you're saying you can't see dapper here ? http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:04] <KaoticEvil> how do i check if im actually using the 3d functions on my video card?
[08:04] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: glxinfo | grep -i rendering
[08:04] <firecrotch> stdin: I think he's commenting on the fact that Edgy is first on the page
[08:05] <firecrotch> nevermind
[08:05] <n0ne> hey...
[08:05] <KaoticEvil> hmm
[08:05] <n0ne> how to fix my sound ? :(
[08:05] <intelikey> farkr you are supposed to be asking about feisty not dapper      don't you know by now everyone wants the latest everything....
[08:05] <stdin> fut feisty is the latest version, it's bound to be first on the page :p
[08:05] <intelikey> stdin feisty is not released yet.
[08:06] <n0ne> heeey :(
[08:06] <n0ne> how to fix my sound?
[08:06] <Jucato> n0ne: I don't know
[08:06] <stdin> intelikey: didn't say released, just said latest, the front page is the announcement page after all
[08:06] <intelikey> n0ne did you read that page ?
[08:06] <n0ne> yup
[08:06] <farkr> intelikey i dont want the latest thing more than i want the most stable thing
[08:07] <farkr> what good is the latest when it doesnt work anyway, like firefox 2 :/
[08:07] <n0ne> there was no link to driver
[08:07] <farkr> crashy crasherton
[08:07] <Jucato> ...
[08:07] <intelikey> farkr shame on you.   you are not being reasonable,   everyone knows you have to have the latest.
[08:07] <stdin> farkr: latest (stable) version is Edgy, and firefox 2.0 works fine on that
[08:08] <n0ne> eerm...
[08:08] <farkr> didnt work fine for me at all :(
[08:08] <intelikey> but i am using LTS
[08:11] <firecrotch> If I want to try out Feisty, would I be better off downloading the CD image or upgrade by changing my sources.list to the feisty repos?
[08:11] <KaoticEvil> o_o konversation doesnt support reverse control codes
[08:11] <KaoticEvil> i would get the live and see how it runs
[08:11] <Jucato> reverse control codes?
[08:11] <KaoticEvil> for colors
[08:11] <intelikey> who did write that page?    the first three of the "Useful Tips & Tricks" section are all command not found,  on my system.   " aplay lspci lspnp "
[08:12] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: ah... that feature will be in the next release
[08:12] <KaoticEvil> i was trying to play some trivia... i cant even see the questions lol
[08:13] <stdin> firecrotch: it may be better using the CD to install, but remember, Feisty isn't classed as stable yet, and may break at any time, so don't use it on your desktop machine, unless you don't mind having to formay and reinstall
[08:13] <intelikey> KaoticEvil heh set the background
[08:13] <KaoticEvil> lol that wouldnt fix it... the trivy bot uses multiple color backgrounds
[08:13] <Jucato> the Konversation from SVN has that feature already.
[08:13] <ShuT> !tls
[08:13] <KaoticEvil> im only on the live for right now, so im not gonna bother with installing anything
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <KaoticEvil> stdin: could you check something for me then?
[08:14] <Jucato> stdin: heh me too :)
[08:14] <Jucato> I mean, when I had X :)
[08:14] <Jucato> !tls | ShuT
[08:14] <stdin> KaoticEvil: what do you want checked ?
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <Jucato> rawr! duh
[08:14] <intelikey> KaoticEvil i bet it will,   just try black background.   everything shows on black         err except black.
[08:14] <Jucato> !lts | ShuT
[08:14] <ubotu> ShuT: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[08:15] <KaoticEvil> stdin: can you connect to kaosnet.orcxpro.com:6669 and join #kaos? let me know if the colors show up properly for the trviy bot
[08:15] <stdin> Jucato: I'm getting the compile itch, I may have to compile all of SVN KDE :p
[08:15] <Jucato> stdin: why not :)
[08:15] <KaoticEvil> make that kaosnet.ircxpro.com:6668
[08:16] <intelikey> KaoticEvil what channel ?
[08:17] <stdin> KaoticEvil: yep, it's very colorful :p
[08:17] <KaoticEvil> awesome
[08:18] <KaoticEvil> well, its good to know that once i finally install this, ill be able to play trivy on it :D
[08:18] <n0ne> hey guys, can anyone help me with sound?!
[08:18] <n0ne> i can't install alsa driver :(
[08:18] <intelikey> no colour there that i see....
[08:22] <intelikey>  1
[08:22] <m0ns00n> Anyone know where to get the libjpeg include files from?
[08:22] <m0ns00n> I compiled the lib, but it doesn't install any include files
[08:22] <intelikey> libjpeg62-dev
[08:22] <m0ns00n> intelikey: Where do I download that?
[08:22] <m0ns00n> intelikey: I need it in source form.
[08:22] <intelikey> you compiled ?
[08:22] <intelikey> why ?
[08:23] <m0ns00n> Because I have a box here which is running centos :-D
[08:23] <m0ns00n> It's a clean virtual box
[08:23] <intelikey> hmmm maybe google knows.
[08:23] <m0ns00n> But I would at least think that the jpeg group would release it together
[08:23] <m0ns00n> I tried google, I think I'm gonna try some more
[08:24] <m0ns00n> Problem is when you search for "libjpeg include files" you get all pages where it's about ./configure --with-jpeg-dir=
[08:26] <kouran> hello
[08:26] <kouran> can someone help me with getting dvd to play on edgy?
[08:27] <intelikey> !dvd
[08:27] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:27] <ny0n> how can i get wireless working on kbutunu
[08:27] <ny0n> kbuntu
[08:27] <stdin> !wifi
[08:27] <ny0n> grr, kubuntu*
[08:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:27] <intelikey> !wifi
[08:27] <KaoticEvil> sorry for burnin your eyes, stdin
[08:28] <ny0n>           https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:28] <ny0n> oops
[08:28] <stdin> KaoticEvil: I'll recover (eventually) :p
[08:28] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:28] <KaoticEvil> you should see it when theres a full trivy round goin on
[08:28] <KaoticEvil> its even worse :P
[08:28] <intelikey> KaoticEvil was there actually colour in there ?
[08:29] <stdin> intelikey: http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i120369_shot7.jpg
[08:29] <KaoticEvil> yup yup
[08:29] <KaoticEvil> yeah, there ya go lol
[08:29] <KaoticEvil> he didnt screen cap the google searches tho lol
[08:29] <KaoticEvil> THOSE are colorful heh
[08:29] <stdin> looks list like the google logo :p
[08:29] <n0ne> Help me with sound please!!!
[08:30] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[08:30] <KaoticEvil> i need to edit that script
[08:30] <KaoticEvil> its a bit... err... noisy
[08:30] <stdin> intelikey: yea
[08:30] <stdin> :p
[08:31] <KaoticEvil> #kaos has plenty of colors, make no mistake about that lol
[08:31] <intelikey> i wonder why my bx stripped everything but the highlight....
[08:32] <stdin> maybe something in the clients settings
[08:32] <intelikey> did my test show any colour ?
[08:32] <KaoticEvil> heres a question.. whats the difference between the edgy cd and dvd?
[08:32] <stdin> intelikey: yea
[08:32] <intelikey> hmmm odd i can write in colour i can't see..
[08:32] <stdin> KaoticEvil: CD has only the Live (GUI) installer, DVD has also the text installer
[08:33] <stdin> KaoticEvil: and more packages on it
[08:33] <intelikey> KaoticEvil and more packages that can be installed iirc.
[08:33] <KaoticEvil> ah cool
[08:34] <intelikey> so does  1  2  3 work in here ?
[08:34] <KaoticEvil> i just got my dvd burner, and im using just about any excuse i can find to use it lol
[08:34] <stdin> no, colors are disabled in this channel
[08:34] <KaoticEvil> anyways... i think ive seen just about all i can for now
[08:34] <intelikey> and i'll not be using colour but just testing it.
[08:34] <intelikey> stdin i thought it was this server
[08:34] <n0ne>  <intelikey> can u help me with sound please?
[08:35] <stdin> intelikey: no, you can turn it off
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> thanks for the help guys :) im sure once i get my new computer, ill be back
[08:35] <stdin> intelikey: or on rather
[08:35] <intelikey> n0ne did you read the page about that ?
[08:35] <n0ne> YES
[08:35] <intelikey> and ?
[08:35] <stdin> KaoticEvil: you're welcome :)
[08:35] <n0ne> alsa driver doesn't installed
[08:36] <intelikey> n0ne error message ?
[08:36] <KaoticEvil> stdin: feel free to drop in on KAOSNet any time :) we got a resident *buntu user... think hes been in here xenophile7x7
[08:36] <n0ne> one moment
[08:36] <stdin> KaoticEvil: yeah, I've seen him about
[08:37] <KaoticEvil> well, im gone :) peace yall
[08:37] <n0ne> The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[08:37] <n0ne> Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[08:37] <n0ne> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[08:37] <n0ne> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[08:38] <n0ne> ?
[08:38] <intelikey> n0ne where did you get that error ?
[08:38] <intelikey> what were you trying to do ?
[08:38] <n0ne> after ./configure
[08:39] <intelikey> configure of what ?
[08:39] <stdin> hmm, seems to be compiling a kernel module there
[08:39] <n0ne> installing alsa driver
[08:39] <intelikey> n0ne what alsa driver ?
[08:39] <n0ne> version?
[08:39] <n0ne> 1.0.13
[08:40] <n0ne> :D
[08:40] <n0ne> so nobody can help me?
[08:41] <intelikey> n0ne no i can't help you.   alsa is built into the kernel in ubuntu   i  have no idea what nor why you are trying to compile.
[08:41] <n0ne> oh ok
[08:41] <n0ne> so how to make my sound in kubuntu work? :)
[08:41] <intelikey> you go back to that page you said you read and read it.
[08:41] <intelikey> !sound
[08:41] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:42] <n0ne> ok...
[08:42] <intelikey>   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[08:43] <matthew__> hey is ubuntu ever meant for average computer user? kinda confusing to find and instal programs compared to windows -.-
[08:43] <intelikey> matthew__ then don't compare it to windows if that helps
[08:44] <kraut> moin
[08:44] <stdin> matthew__: what, you prefire searching google than oping adept?
[08:44] <stdin> *opening
[08:44] <matthew__> nah adept is cool, just take some time to adjust heh
[08:44] <intelikey> n0ne so when you checked in /proc/asound/cards like the page said  what did you learn ?
[08:44] <stdin> matthew__: yeah, it takes time to adjust, but you get used to it soon, and learn to appreciate it :p
[08:46] <intelikey> n0ne and when the page told you to run     aplay --list-devices       what did you learn ?
[08:46] <n0ne> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[08:47] <n0ne> card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] 
[08:47] <n0ne>   Subdevices: 1/1
[08:47] <n0ne>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[08:47] <n0ne> card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH5 - IEC958] 
[08:47] <n0ne>   Subdevices: 1/1
[08:47] <n0ne>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[08:47] <intelikey> ok and what does     running    alsamixer    and unmuting and adjusting the volumes do ?
[08:49] <matthew__> hey i searched for limewire in adept but no result? is there a limewire package with different name or something?
[08:49] <intelikey> !frostwire
[08:49] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:49] <matthew__> ty :)
[08:51] <n0ne> yea
[08:51] <n0ne> done it
[08:52] <intelikey> and ?
[08:52] <n0ne> no sound
[08:53] <n0ne> and one thing is strange
[08:53] <intelikey> what are you using for a test sound ?
[08:53] <n0ne> i'm trying to play mp3 file and it's not just no sound
[08:53] <Jucato> where is the default display manager defined?
[08:53] <kouran> how do i install libdvdcss?
[08:53] <Jucato>  /etc something?
[08:53] <ny0n> how can i get wireless working on kbuntu
[08:53] <n0ne> amarok don't want to paly it at all
[08:54] <n0ne> i'm pushing play button and after 1sec it says "Playlist finished"
[08:54] <intelikey> Jucato /etc/kde*/kdm/something   or /etc/X11/kdm/something
[08:54] <stdin> Jucato: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:54] <Jucato> oh thanks :)
[08:54] <stdin> :)
[08:54] <kouran> how do i install libdvdcss?
[08:54] <stdin> !dvd | kouran
[08:54] <ubotu> kouran: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:54] <intelikey> n0ne i see so you have absolutely no idea whether the sound is working or not....
[08:54] <Jucato> hm...
[08:55] <n0ne> it's not working!!
[08:55] <intelikey> Jucato but you can have a ~/.dmrc also
[08:55] <intelikey> n0ne i see so you have absolutely no idea whether the sound is working or not....
[08:55] <intelikey> n0ne all you know is that you can't play an mp3 file...
[08:56] <intelikey> that's not a sound issue.
[08:56] <n0ne> i can play another mp3 file
[08:56] <intelikey> !mp3
[08:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:56] <stdin> it would help if you had a .wav file to play
[08:56] <n0ne> and i have no sound in it
[08:56] <intelikey> n0ne if you want to know if sound is working do this   sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[08:57] <matthew__> quick question, whats keyboard shortcut for minimize all in kubuntu?
[08:58] <intelikey> matthew__ i don't know if there is a default hotkey for that....  jucato you know ?
[08:58] <n0ne> after this command nothing happening
[08:59] <intelikey> n0ne then sound may indeed not be working.   now that you have tested that.   tell me if see lots of things or nothing when you enter#    lsmod | grep snd
[09:00] <n0ne> not alot, but some text )
[09:01] <n0ne> ~16 lines of text i see :)
[09:01] <intelikey> ok   and   cat /proc/asound/cards     ?
[09:01] <n0ne> 0 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[09:01] <n0ne>                      Intel ICH5 with AD1980 at 0xfebff800, irq 20
[09:02] <n0ne> what2do now?
[09:02] <intelikey> ok sound should be working.    the kernel is aware of the hardware     if nothing is mute in alsamixer it "should" work.    as for the mp3 files.   i hope you did look at the links ^
[09:02] <intelikey> !mp3
[09:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:02] <intelikey> those links ^
[09:03] <n0ne> ok i'll try it now
[09:03] <n0ne> omg
[09:03] <intelikey> first and last especally.
[09:03] <n0ne> and why i need to read it?
[09:03] <intelikey> cause you have no idea.
[09:03] <n0ne> i'm playing build-in kubuntu sounds
[09:03] <Guardian> hello
[09:03] <n0ne> amarok says that they are playing
[09:04] <n0ne> but there's no sound
[09:04] <intelikey> you said mp3 when i asked.
[09:04] <intelikey> mp3
[09:04] <ShuT> grr
[09:04] <ShuT> !tcltls
[09:04] <ubotu> tcltls: The TLS OpenSSL extension to Tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.0-3 (edgy), package size 65 kB, installed size 288 kB
[09:04] <intelikey> read the links      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:04] <Guardian> i tried to install k3d but i got errors: not very specific error messages about pycentral reported by apt
[09:05] <n0ne> spx
[09:05] <n0ne> not mp3
[09:05] <n0ne> i'll try to solve prob with mp3 later
[09:05] <n0ne> spx is playing normally but no sound
 what are you using for a test sound ?
 i'm trying to play mp3 file and it's not just no sound
[09:06] <intelikey> ^
[09:06] <n0ne> ok, as i said, i'll solve problem with mp3 later
[09:06] <sergio_> ayuda de kubuntu en espaol
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | sergio_
[09:06] <ubotu> sergio_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:06] <sergio_> gracias tnk
[09:06] <sergio_> !es
[09:06] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> de nada :)
[09:07] <n0ne> i'm playing now SPX , it's playing normally, but without sound
[09:08] <intelikey> and as i said.  it's listed in the kernel modules and the card is recognized     if it's not muted or volume tunred down it should work.        and just for your information in alsamixer the "main" and "pcm"  should be what control the normal output.  if either is muted or low volume then no sound.
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> type alsamixer in konsole
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> hit 9, move over 9 etc.
[09:09] <intelikey> there are also setting in amarok that you can select the output   arts may not be running   so maybe select alsa as the output.
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> make sure nothing is muted
[09:10] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago you have edgy ?
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> yes.
[09:11] <intelikey> does /dev/dsp exist ?
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i have Dapper, Edgy, Feistno
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> err. no
[09:11] <intelikey> no dsp ?
[09:11] <intelikey> well that's why.   ok what is the sound device on edgy
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on a live CD for edgy atm though. I should mention
[09:11] <stdin> intelikey: I'm in feisty, but it was the same in edgy crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-12-24 14:24 /dev/dsp
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> oh and on GNOME liveCD at that
[09:12] <intelikey> ok.
[09:13] <intelikey> i just got to thinking that it could be the device node missing in the   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   command.
[09:13] <n0ne> OMG
[09:13] <n0ne> now amarok said that no audio-drivers found
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> try oss. I use oss and it works fine.
[09:14] <n0ne> oss?
[09:14] <n0ne> what's it?
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> also, maybe try waiting
[09:14] <farkr> for creating a fat32 partition that both linux and win2k can read/write to i'm supposed to choose 'W95 fat32 (lba)' in fdisk, right?
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> is your engine xine? also, OSS is an open source sound driver
[09:14] <farkr> there's multiple versions of fat32 in there but someone said lba, they didnt say why though
[09:14] <n0ne> mine is xine, yea
[09:14] <n0ne> ok...
[09:15] <intelikey> use pastebin and  paste the output of    lsmod
[09:15] <intelikey> farkr in fdisk  in linux ?  no.
[09:15] <stdin> farkr: yes, but it shouldn't matter as long as you format it as vfat with "mkfs.vfat"
[09:16] <n0ne> can u give me link to pastebin?
[09:16] <stdin> !pastebin
[09:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:16] <n0ne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1028/
[09:17] <farkr> intelikey then which should i  use?
[09:17] <intelikey> farkr oh yeah you can tag the partition with fdisk.   sorry.    type 07 or something     but mkfs.vfat is where it does the formating and type selection
[09:17] <farkr> ok
[09:17] <intelikey> farkr and cfdisk is a bit easier to use for that.
[09:17] <farkr> say is for ntfs, c is for fat32 lbr
[09:18] <Search4Lancer> after reconfiguring Xorg, my middle mouse button doesn't work - any ideas?
[09:18] <stdin> farkr: or gparted (for a GUI)
[09:18] <farkr> im used to normal fdisk
[09:18] <farkr> for linux
[09:18] <kouran> can someone please help me with getting dvds to play? i have installed libdvdcss but dvd still doesnt play
[09:19] <intelikey> i'm used to normal cfdisk for linux
[09:21] <kouran> so no one can help?
[09:21] <n0ne> :(((
[09:21] <intelikey> n0ne i still see nothing wrong with it.
[09:22] <n0ne> but there is no sound and i want to watch a film!!
[09:22] <n0ne> or listen to music etc!
[09:22] <n0ne> i want sound :(
[09:24] <intelikey> yeah i understand that.    so what do you want me to do mail you some sound ?
[09:24] <intelikey> hey i'm just here cause i joined the channel just like you.
[09:24] <n0ne> no. help me to understand why i have no sound
[09:25] <n0ne> and xine crashed 2 minutes ago
[09:25] <intelikey> n0ne try running alsamixer in a console.
[09:25] <intelikey> i'll tell you how to get there and back.
[09:26] <n0ne> ok i'm in alsamixer
[09:26] <n0ne> nothing is muted
[09:26] <n0ne> all sound = 100
[09:26] <intelikey> to get to a console press    alt+ctrl+f1      and to get back to you xorg session press       alt+f7
[09:27] <intelikey> bug differance there.
[09:27] <intelikey> big
[09:28] <n0ne> i'm here :)
[09:28] <n0ne> from console
[09:28] <farkr> intelikey i dont have a command called mkfs.vfat, just mkdosfs, is that what i should use?
[09:28] <n0ne> same thing, all things not muted and 100
[09:29] <intelikey> farkr hmmm install dosfstools
[09:30] <n0ne> so?
[09:30] <intelikey> n0ne hmmmm   ok.         only of passing interest but alsamixer will not start from a console unless the card is setup.
[09:31] <intelikey> you did check the cable?
[09:31] <intelikey> wire in the correct jack ?
[09:31] <n0ne> yup
[09:31] <intelikey> spekers turned on if powered ?
[09:31] <intelikey> speekers
[09:31] <n0ne> yea
[09:31] <intelikey> volume up on the speekers
[09:32] <n0ne> ~40$
[09:32] <n0ne> ~40%
[09:32] <farkr> intelikey googling shows that mkdosfs is the same thing
[09:33] <intelikey> frank_ ok.   if you use the correct switches
[09:33] <intelikey> farkr
[09:33] <n0ne> =(
[09:36] <spitwise> n0ne: was sound ever working?
[09:36] <n0ne> NO
[09:36] <n0ne> i'm from windows
[09:36] <intelikey> ?
[09:37] <n0ne> yea, in windows it's worked
[09:38] <intelikey> n0ne pastebin the output of     lspci
[09:39] <n0ne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1030/
[09:42] <moskillz> hello i need some help with something anyone care to help me out
[09:42] <moskillz> ???
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask
[09:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !anyone
[09:42] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> moskillz: whats the problem
[09:42] <moskillz> well it wont let me into my add remove programs thing it says that another program is running
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !adeptcrash
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptcrash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <n0ne> =(
[09:43] <stdin> !adept crash fix
[09:43] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> stdin ftw!
[09:43] <stdin> :)
[09:43] <moskillz> sweet ill try it
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> or close anything using sudo, maybe adept and konsole after that
[09:44] <moskillz> it says its setting up
[09:44] <intelikey> n0ne  try   sudo modprobe -r snd_ens1371 ;modprobe snd_ac97
[09:45] <intelikey> err second needs sudo also
[09:45] <n0ne> FATAL: Module snd_ac97 not found.
[09:45] <stdin> noiesmo: sudo modprobe snd-ac97
[09:45] <stdin> opps
[09:45] <moskillz> it says modual not found
[09:45] <stdin> n0ne: : sudo modprobe snd-ac97
[09:46] <n0ne> FATAL: Module snd_ac97 not found.
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> moskillz: that wasn't for you...
[09:46] <moskillz> ook
[09:46] <stdin> there is a difference between snd_ and snd- in modprobe iirc
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> there is
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> *nix is very case sensitive.
[09:46] <chills> hey guys.. i just installed kubuntu
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> as we all know
[09:47] <chills> but my kppp dies
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> chills: congrats!
[09:47] <stdin> well done chills  :)
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ohh...
[09:47] <moskillz> sweet what you had me do the first time worked thank you
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> !kppp
[09:47] <ubotu> kppp: modem dialer and ppp frontend for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 667 kB, installed size 3688 kB
[09:47] <chills> hey stdin :
[09:47] <_deb_> hi *
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm there should be more.
[09:47] <spitwise> n0ne: i just read this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140604
[09:47] <stdin> moskillz: no problem :)
[09:47] <chills> i think i need to uncomment some stuff
[09:48] <chills> but i need to be root..
[09:48] <chills> :/
[09:48] <chills> wait let me type in the log file
[09:48] <stdin> chills: use sudo to run commands as root
[09:48] <stdin> !sudo
[09:48] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:48] <_deb_> the adept_updater is crashing. everytime it says that "A New Version of Kubuntu is available ! Click next if u wish to upgrade"
[09:48] <chills> ah that i know.
[09:48] <_deb_> and if I click next, it craches .
[09:48] <StingRay> Anybody here having bridged interfaces?
[09:49] <chills> the remote system is required to authenticate itself
[09:49] <intelikey> spitwise not the same hardware for n0ne and not the same problem
[09:49] <chills> i couldnt find any secret password for it to use
[09:49] <moskillz> thank you much for the help
[09:49] <chills> none of the available passwords would let me use any ip address
[09:49] <spitwise> well dernit.
[09:49] <chills> thats what the log says stdin
[09:49] <n0ne> ^\
[09:49] <n0ne> no f''''ng sound >:\
[09:50] <chills> stdin : so any idea ?
[09:50] <stdin> chills: I think you need to put a password in a config file
[09:50] <intelikey> spitwise that thread says no sound card detected   his is detected and the modules are installed      it's also AC'97
[09:50] <chills> stdin : i did put the password in the kppp
[09:50] <stdin> chills: hmm
[09:50] <chills> it says the remote system needs to auth its self
[09:51] <chills> stdin : the docs give some idea i think
[09:51] <stdin> chills: what they say (I don't use kppp)
[09:51] <chills> they say i need to uncomment some stuff i think
[09:52] <stdin> chills: do you know where to do that?
[09:52] <n0ne> =(
[09:52] <spitwise> n0ne may need to add himself to the audio group?
[09:52] <chills> goto /usr/share/doc/kppp/README.Debian
[09:52] <n0ne> ?
[09:52] <chills> stdin: yes i guess i do but i tried uncommenting the file.. it doesnt allow me to write to the system
[09:53] <chills> system/file
[09:53] <chills> i dont really know how to use vi
[09:53] <stdin> chills: the /etc/ppp/options file?
[09:54] <chills> yes
[09:54] <stdin> chills: no one knows how to use vi :p
[09:54] <stdin> chills: press Alt-F2, and enter: kdesu kate /etc/ppp/options
[09:54] <intelikey> n0ne i'm game for that sujestion though.    try adding  "acpi=ht"  on the "kernel" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:54] <chills> k wait
[09:54] <spitwise> modprobe snd-ens1371
[09:54] <intelikey> it could be acpi interfearing with it i guess.
[09:54] <spitwise> dash, not underscore
[09:55] <spitwise> n0ne: ^
[09:55] <intelikey> spitwise ;/
[09:55] <chills> stdin : i need to edit /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options i think not the other file :(
[09:55] <intelikey> gameport               15496  1 snd_ens1371
[09:55] <intelikey> snd_rawmidi            25504  1 snd_ens1371
[09:55] <intelikey> from lsmod for n0ne ^
[09:55] <stdin> chills: just open it in kate that you opened with kdesu
[09:55] <spitwise> funky
[09:56] <n0ne> so?
[09:56] <intelikey> i had him remove the 1371 trying to get the ac'97 to do it's job.   it's also inserted...
[09:56] <chills> hmm
[09:56] <spitwise> google has some confoosed peoplew/ ens1371
[09:56] <spitwise> i see
[09:57] <n0ne> so what i need2do?
[09:57] <spitwise> am intrigued .. never seen a no sound prob like this
[09:57] <sergio_> !es
[09:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:57] <intelikey> n0ne    try adding  "acpi=ht"  on the "kernel" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:57] <spitwise> intelikey: you just told him to do what that link i posted said
[09:57] <spitwise> :P~
[09:57] <n0ne> where is it kernel line?
[09:58] <intelikey> spitwise i know.   that's where i got it.
[09:58] <chills> stdin : did that lets see if it works
[09:58] <spitwise> haha
[09:58] <chills> :)
[09:58] <n0ne> Where is kernel line?!
[09:58] <stdin> good luck :)
[09:58] <intelikey> n0ne the line that says kernel
[09:58] <chills> thanks
[09:58] <n0ne> omfg...
[09:58] <n0ne> there is no such line
[09:58] <moskillz> im sorry but i crashed it again could you give me the thing i type into konsol to un crash the add remove program
[09:59] <intelikey> or /boot/vmlinuz*
[09:59] <stdin> !adeptcrashfix | moskillz
[09:59] <ubotu> moskillz: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:59] <moskillz> thank you sorry about that
[09:59] <stdin> :) no problem
[10:00] <n0ne> what i need to do?
[10:00] <intelikey> yes
[10:00] <spitwise> the line in the example looks like this:
[10:00] <spitwise> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-25-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash vga=788 acpi=ht
[10:00] <intelikey> yeah i thought it said kernel
[10:00] <spitwise> they added that last bit acpi=ht
[10:01] <chills> hey stdin
[10:01] <intelikey> spitwise it's already there ?
[10:01] <spitwise> save the file and i assume reboot
[10:01] <stdin> chills
[10:01] <spitwise> no from the url
[10:01] <Jucato> one enables the root account with "sudo su passwd" right? how would you disable it then?
[10:01] <n0ne> OMG
[10:01] <intelikey> oh
[10:01] <n0ne> there many lines with this !!
[10:01] <spitwise> or we have pebcak
[10:01] <stdin> chills: it working?
[10:02] <chills> stdin:  working the internet is :) online from it
[10:02] <stdin> chills: done well, you have :)
[10:02] <chills> but now i gota check if the internet speed is working.. properly .. which i doubt it is
[10:02] <n0ne> omfg i'll have no sound forever
[10:03] <intelikey> pagen
[10:03] <chills> stdin: the net problem is still dere its freggggin slow :( what do i do
[10:03] <n0ne> my problem with sound til 7 at morning, so relax
[10:04] <chills> its connected at 9600 is right or less or wht ?
[10:05] <spitwise> i dunno i use yaboot
[10:05] <stdin> chills: is the connection speed in the KPPP modem settings set right ?
[10:06] <n0ne> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:06] <chills> stdin:  my modem is 56k i dont know in terms of the other settting wht it should be
[10:06] <spitwise> n0ne: have you tried anything people have been asking you to?
[10:06] <n0ne> YES
[10:06] <intelikey> n0ne did you try adding  "acpi=ht"  on the "kernel" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst  ?
[10:06] <stdin> chills: just set it to the highest setting in kppp
[10:07] <chills> ah okay
[10:07] <n0ne> omfg I CAN"T FIND THIS LINE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:07] <ShuT> n0ne: that's why he asks you to add it
[10:07] <spitwise> pastebin the freakin file?
[10:07] <chills> stdin: its already done :)
[10:08] <intelikey> n0ne grep kernel /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:08] <intelikey> does that show you some linse or not ?
[10:08] <intelikey> linse/lines
[10:08] <n0ne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1033/
[10:09] <chills> stdin: so ?
[10:09] <stdin> chills: dose it connect at a higher rate on windows (if you have it)
[10:09] <chills> stdin:  yes
[10:10] <spitwise> line 113 ?
[10:10] <intelikey> i don't what to see them.   edit the damn file.    look at line 113 of your paste.     krap.
[10:10] <sjr> What is the standard wireless tools package for kubuntu?
[10:10] <sjr> i.e. for nice graphical editing
[10:10] <chills> stdin: KDE_NO_IPV6=1 in a startup script how do i do that ?
[10:10] <intelikey> !wifi | sjr
[10:10] <ubotu> sjr: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:11] <sjr> ubotu,  I just need the name of the package
[10:11] <stdin> !ipv6 | chills
[10:11] <ubotu> chills: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[10:11] <chills> hmm would that increase the speed ?
[10:12] <spitwise> if i wasn't watching the full monty right now i'd be cussin.
[10:12] <stdin> chills: not the actual speed of the connection, maybe browsing (as in it will find the IP from DNS faster)
[10:12] <n0ne> OK, i've edited it!
[10:13] <chills> stdin: no that's not really an issue
[10:13] <intelikey> chills you can disable ipv6 altogather   by editing the file /etc/modprobe.d/aliases   and changing the line that says    alias net-pf-10 off       if that is what you want.
[10:13] <n0ne> what to do now?
[10:13] <intelikey> n0ne if you added acpi=ht  to the kernel line reboot and see if that fixes it
[10:13] <stdin> chills: I'm not sure what to do then, I don't use dialup so I have no experience with it
[10:14] <n0ne> ok...
[10:14] <spitwise> save the file
[10:14] <spitwise> !
[10:14] <spitwise> then reboot
[10:14] <chills> stdin: hmm thanks anywys
[10:14] <intelikey> some of us need a break anyway....  ;/
[10:14] <spitwise> :)
[10:15] <chills> time to download realplayer
[10:15] <intelikey> the guy's not dumb.  but he sure can get under my skin.
[10:15] <stdin> chills: maybe the people in #ubuntu will know how to help, or in #kde or even ##linux , can't hurt to ask, plus there is always google and http://www.linuxquestions.org/
[10:16] <spitwise> hes just been tainted by windows
[10:16] <intelikey> yes   that too           well   i'm going to extend my break.    back later.
[10:16] <chills> ah yea
[10:17] <chills> i could get some other distro n run gnome i guess.
[10:17] <stdin> chills: you don't need to run gnome :p
[10:17] <chills> but for some reason gnome was giving me this very error the other day  :\ it doesnt even have kppp
[10:17] <chills> stdin why not ?
[10:17] <stdin> chills: you can install gnome apps in KDE
[10:18] <chills> hmm.. downloading them would be a pain :p
[10:19] <stdin> yeah, on dialup it would be
[10:19] <chills> i am out then .. gota study wil think ov it late
[10:19] <AddyK> 'ello every body :D
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[10:19] <kouran> i really need help with getting dvds to work. mplayer, totem, vlc dont work. i have installed libdvdcss. i dont know what the problem could possibly be. please help
[10:19] <chills> thanks anywys :)
[10:19] <stdin> chills: ok, no problem :)
[10:20] <n0ne> it's not working
[10:20] <chills> yea 800kb is the max speed i get
[10:20] <stdin> I have a 4Mb connection :p
[10:21] <AddyK> 512 MB That's pretty good... :)
[10:21] <stdin> 512MB ?? or KB
[10:21] <n0ne> omfg i have 100mbps connection but it won't fix my sound!!!
[10:21] <n0ne> help me!!
[10:21] <AddyK> *KB/s Sorry
[10:22] <AddyK> Hehe... got mixed up :D
[10:22] <stdin> AddyK: was gonna say, I wouldn't mind a 512MB/s connection :p
[10:22] <AddyK> stdin: Neither would I... :D
[10:24] <AddyK> That must be the kind of speed the Information SuperHighWay must have, no?
[10:24] <n0ne> it's lan
[10:24] <n0ne> omfg help me with sound please!!!!!
[10:25] <stdin> AddyK: internet nodes (like ISPs) have speeds in the Gb/s range
[10:25] <AddyK> W. T. F. ???? (o.O) -> (o///O) OK... I'm a noob
[10:27] <n0ne> HEELP MEE PLEASE
[10:27] <AddyK> Hmm, you have problems with the sound card in ubuntu?
[10:28] <n0ne> YES
[10:28] <AddyK> Hmm, did it recognise at least that you have a sound card on your machine?
[10:29] <n0ne> YES
[10:29] <ShuT> lol
[10:29] <AddyK> I mean something in dmesg
[10:29] <AddyK> Oy.. :) Trying to help :)
[10:29] <AddyK> What type of soundcard?
[10:29] <spitwise> ens1371
[10:30] <spitwise> he wants a magical answer
[10:30] <n0ne> ....
[10:30] <n0ne> i just want to listen to music
[10:30] <AddyK> A what?
[10:30] <spitwise> OMFG i know!
[10:30] <stdin> like, OMFG!!! WTF i don't know !!!!!!!!! like
[10:30] <spitwise> heheh
[10:30] <AddyK> :))
[10:31] <n0ne> u know my problem
[10:31] <[abhishek] > how to start kooldock
[10:31] <n0ne> and u can't help me
[10:31] <n0ne> yes?
[10:31] <spitwise> we googled for you n0ne
[10:32] <n0ne> i googled too
[10:32] <n0ne> and nothing helpful
[10:32] <AddyK> That's what I was about to do, lol
[10:32] <stdin> [abhishek] : try going to Kmenu -> Run Command, and type in kooldock
[10:32] <spitwise> maybe someone in #ubuntu can solve your problem
[10:33] <[abhishek] > stdin: ok
[10:33] <n0ne> i've asked in #ubuntu they dunno
[10:33] <stdin> try in ##linux
[10:33] <spitwise> try other speakers or headphones juts to be sure
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: when amarok starts up does it do a dummy spit
[10:34] <n0ne> dummy what?
[10:34] <spitwise> and try using kaffeine or some other sound app
[10:34] <[abhishek] > stdin: thanks buddy it worked
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: does it show an error
[10:34] <stdin> hehe dummy spit :p
[10:35] <spitwise> i had probs w/ amorak
[10:35] <stdin> [abhishek] : no problem :)
[10:35] <n0ne> i dunno what is "dummy spit"
[10:35] <n0ne> spit in russian = sleeping :D
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: when a baby get upset it spits the dummy out
[10:35] <n0ne> 0_0
[10:35] <stdin> throwing a paddy
[10:36] <stdin> having a tantrum
[10:36] <spitwise> tantrum
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: so if something is upset or showing an error or just plain broke one can use the expression "dummy spit"
[10:36] <n0ne> oh ok, i'm from russia so i dunno much expressions and ideoms)
[10:37] <n0ne> no there is no errors when i start amarok
[10:37] <spitwise> have you tried kaffiene?
[10:37] <spitwise> kaffeine
[10:37] <AddyK> Open a konsole and type amarok
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: does amarok start without an error
[10:37] <AddyK> TO see what the app writes
[10:37] <AddyK> if there is a warning it might say there
[10:38] <n0ne> YES
[10:38] <n0ne> amarok stars without errors
[10:38] <spitwise> this is the most patient room on irc methinks
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: yes it shows an error or yes it starts fine ?
[10:38] <AddyK> True :D
[10:38] <stdin> speaking of kaffeine, I'm gonna get some coffee
[10:38] <n0ne> STARTS WITHOUT ERRORS, STARTS FINE, NO ERRORS, GOODDDDD
[10:38] <n0ne> :D
[10:39] <stdin> !caps | n0ne
[10:39] <ubotu> n0ne: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: ok thats tells me the sound server is fine
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: something is "working" just not properly
[10:39] <AddyK> Maybe hardware volume's too low
[10:39] <spitwise> maybe he just cant hear since hes shouting so much ;P
[10:40] <n0ne> lol, i know that smth is working noot properly
[10:40] <n0ne> how to solve it
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: open a terminal and type  asoundconf list
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: does it list you sound card
[10:41] <n0ne> Names of available sound cards:
[10:41] <n0ne> ICH5
[10:41] <n0ne> AudioPCI
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: aaah it sees two sound cards
[10:42] <AddyK> You must have an onboard one... no?
[10:42] <n0ne> yep
[10:42] <n0ne> one in my PCI slot and one in my motherboard
[10:42] <n0ne> wire plugged in PCI card
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: you have to select one of the other with the command  asoundconf set-default-card ICH5   or try the other one and reboot
[10:43] <n0ne> ICH5 is onboard ?
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: yes
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: not sure about the AudioPCI thing that sounds like a generic driver so may fail
[10:44] <AddyK> spitwise: touching?
[10:44] <spitwise> *joy and frustration* ;)
[10:44] <n0ne> am i need to reboot after changing?
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: yes
[10:45] <n0ne> ok, brb
[10:45] <AddyK> Hmm, wouldn't it have worked restarting the sound server?
[10:45] <lenscape> what are kubuntu users given to manage disk partitions?
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> especially if you also have a pci sound card thats a bit iffy
[10:46] <AddyK> lenscape: Hmm, fdisk I think
[10:46] <stdin> lenscape: depends on what you want to do
[10:46] <AddyK> lenscape: Or maybe cfdisk
[10:46] <stdin> lenscape: or gparted
[10:46] <AddyK> TO edit.
[10:46] <lenscape> stdin: delete partions. Add partitions. That sort of thing
[10:46] <lenscape> I'd prefer a gui
[10:46] <spitwise> cfdisk is nice imho
[10:47] <spitwise> oh
[10:47] <AddyK> spitwise: true :D
[10:47] <stdin> lenscape: gparted is a good GUI, you can use the Ubuntu/Kubuntu CD or get the Gparted CD
[10:47] <stdin> lenscape: as you can't be using the drive when you repartition it
[10:47] <stdin> !gparted
[10:47] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[10:48] <lenscape> stdin: yes, I know all that. I just want an app that saves me having to remember parition types and work out sizes
[10:48] <stdin> lenscape: gparted is the one for you then :)
[10:48] <AddyK> stdin: pretty cool think with the !command
[10:49] <lenscape> installing...
[10:49] <stdin> AddyK: yeah, saves me having to remember a load of links :P
[10:49] <AddyK> stdin: True :D
[10:50] <stdin> AddyK: you can use it to look up packages too, like apt-cache
[10:50] <spitwise> sweet
[10:50] <lenscape> it would be nice if all the channels used the same syntax :-)
[10:50] <stdin>  of find what package a file is in
[10:50] <stdin> s/of/or/
[10:51] <AddyK> stdin: True but wouldn't that fill the screen if one wanted help for more than 10 apps? :D
[10:51] <AddyK> Oy oy oy... tuxracer...
[10:51] <stdin> AddyK: you can /msg the bot too, like: /msg ubotu info gpated
[10:52] <AddyK> Oh....
[10:52] <stdin> or you can spell gparted right too
[10:52] <AddyK> Ciik
[10:52] <AddyK> *coo
[10:52] <AddyK> *cool
[10:52] <stdin> heh :p
[10:52] <n0ne> yea baby :D
[10:52] <lenscape> typo epidemic
[10:52] <n0ne> it's working! :D
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: hmm
[10:52] <n0ne> thxxxx uuu aaaaloott :)
[10:52] <AddyK> Contratulations!!! :)
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: yeah, thats very annoying though
[10:52] <n0ne> !mp3
[10:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:53] <n0ne> is amarok playing mp3?
[10:53] <lenscape> gparted is pretty good. Got bugs, though.
[10:53] <stdin> n0ne: amarok can play mp3s yes, follow the guide from the 1st link
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: yes, you may have to install the mp3 libs though its not there by default
[10:54] <stdin> lenscape: gparted it quite stable, qtparted has plenty of bugs tho
[10:54] <AddyK> (T.T) [11:52]  <ubotu> Package tuxracer does not exist in any distro I know
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: mp3 is a licensed format
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: ie mp3 = none free
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: but its easy to add to kubuntu
[10:55] <stdin> AddyK: it's renames to Planet Penguin Racer now
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> ooh well got some karma points
[10:55] <stdin> !planetpenguin-racer > AddyK
[10:56] <AddyK> stdin: That's too sweet XD
[10:56] <spitwise> n0ne: Yay!!
[10:57] <AddyK> stdin: I mean the thing with the command and all :D
[10:57] <stdin> AddyK: yeah, its cool :)
[10:57] <n0ne> yea, mp3 is supported now too :D
[10:57] <n0ne> cool...)
[10:58] <n0ne> yeeeeaaaa babe....yeeeeeeaaa)
[10:58] <n0ne> now i'll try AVI film...
[10:58] <AddyK> Kaffeine
[10:58] <stdin> AVI may need w32codecs, depends on the codec used to encode it
[10:58] <n0ne> yea yea...
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> n0ne: amarok will sync with radio streams and podcasts and will allow you to transfer the music or the podcasts to you portable media player (iPOD etc)
[10:59] <AddyK> n0ne kaffeine is for movies... from what I gather.
[10:59] <dwidmann> AVI is just a container format ...
[10:59] <stdin> yep Audio Video Interlace
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> kaffeine = video file format player that can use either mplayer or xine as a back end server
[10:59] <spitwise> i stream and do mp3s w/ kaffeine
[10:59] <dwidmann> thought it was interleave
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> its usually wise to install mplayer and also the xine-extracodecs package
[11:00] <AddyK> Hmm, but I like amarok for interface at music :)
[11:00] <stdin> dwidmann: hmm, not sure now, wiki time :p
[11:00] <spitwise> vlc works nice for video as well
[11:00] <dwidmann> as does mplayer/kmplayer
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> yeah, vlc is nice but I have yet to see a nice front end for it
[11:00] <stdin> dwidmann: yep, you're right Audio Video Interleave
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> I use vlc as a last resort for broken or semi broken video files
[11:01] <stdin> Linux_Galore: vlc is its own frontend, it's a GUI app
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yeah but its horrible
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> lies
[11:01] <stdin> Linux_Galore: yes, I agree with that
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> stdin: actually vlc has a front and back end you can do stuff with it without X
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> stdin: I often encode with vlc
[11:03] <dwidmann> I heard vlc will be switching to qt4, somewhere or another
[11:03] <spitwise> when i play a movie i just want the movie
[11:03] <AddyK> How can I make a mp4 into mpg?
[11:04] <dwidmann> addyk, mencoder can probably do it, but how it would do it is something outside my area of expertise
[11:04] <dwidmann> (I'm an expert at blundering and wasting time)
[11:04] <AddyK> dwidmann: thanks I'll check :)
[11:04] <AddyK> men coder :))
[11:05] <AddyK> M encoder :)
[11:06] <AddyK> Whoah... what's with the drops?
[11:06] <dwidmann> netsplit
[11:06] <spitwise> oh my
[11:06] <AddyK> Maaaaaannn
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> highly annoying when you are using something like irssi like me
[11:06] <stdin> I didn't see a netsplit, the server just stopped responging ??
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> wow, that's a bad net split too
[11:07] <AddyK> And it keeps going, and going... and going :D
[11:07] <spitwise> netsplit?
[11:07] <stdin> !netsplit
[11:07] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> everything that happens in a lot of channel is in one window so I see it all
[11:07] <stdin> gotta love that bot :P
[11:08] <dwidmann> Admiral_Chicago: ouch
[11:08] <Admiral_Chicago> err I'm not articulate when it's this late.
[11:08] <dwidmann> the all knowing infobot ..
[11:08] <Admiral_Chicago> !botsnack
[11:08] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:08] <Admiral_Chicago> I forget that he gets hungry...
[11:11] <firecrotch> I'm in the market for a dedicated webhosting server, and I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with Ubuntu Server...
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> not I, but I've never heard a complaint
[11:12] <stdin> firecrotch: you can ask in #ubuntu-server :)
[11:12] <firecrotch> Thanks, stdin! :D
[11:14] <spitwise> !ubotu
[11:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:17] <n0ne> omg!!
[11:18] <n0ne> i've configured sound in video by myself! :D
[11:18] <Admiral_Chicago> n0ne: good jsb
[11:18] <dwidmann> !envy | dwidmann
[11:18] <ubotu> dwidmann: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[11:18] <Admiral_Chicago> job* damn qwerty keyboards
[11:18] <Admiral_Chicago> dwidmann: good luck :D
[11:20] <dwidmann> with what? I"m just grabbing myself some links
[11:20] <dwidmann> to throw at somebody else of course :D
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i thought you were installing envy...that's some pretty bleeding line stuff)
[11:21] <shanky> good morning
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> morning
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> @now Chicago
[11:21] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: January 10 2007, 04:21:52
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> that's morning for me. :{
[11:22] <spitwise> @macgyver
[11:22] <spitwise> ya its me bedtime
[11:22] <shanky> I have a little problem, I have a different time in kde than in console
[11:22] <spitwise> ieuw
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> shanky: what do you mean console and kde?
[11:23] <dwidmann> Admiral_Chicago: envy has worked pretty well for me in the past, so I have no problem recommending it to others.
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> kde == clock in system tray?
[11:23] <shanky> I mean in the kde's clock I have 11:24 but if I go to a console:
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't doubt it. Alberto (i think that's his name) does good work
[11:23] <spitwise> ...
[11:23] <shanky> root@kubuntujramirez:/home/jramirez/descargas/drupal/smtp# date
[11:23] <shanky> mi ene 10 10:24:44 UTC 2007
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> UTC is a different time zone
[11:24] <shanky> how can I change it?
[11:24] <stdin> shanky: what dose "cat /etc/timezone" show?
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> its the "standard time zone"
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> I'm -6 UTC so I can talk to people better.
[11:24] <shanky> root@kubuntujramirez:/home/jramirez/descargas/drupal/smtp# cat /etc/timezone
[11:24] <shanky> Europe/Madrid
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> it's easier to organize -1, +2 etc
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> shanky: you're UTC +1.
[11:25] <spitwise> but the console time is correct right?
[11:25] <spitwise> ah
[11:25] <stdin> shanky: maybe try "sudo tzconfig"
[11:25] <spitwise> nighty night
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> spitwise: correct for UTC, for his time zone, no
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> night spitwise
[11:26] <shanky> spitwise: no the rigtht time is the one in the clock in kde system tray
[11:26] <shanky> stdin: ok, I'm gonna try tzconfig
[11:26] <stdin> shanky: ahh, hols on, you don't need to
[11:26] <stdin> hold
[11:26] <shanky> ok
[11:27] <stdin> shanky: what time zone you in +1 ?
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> stdin: yes
[11:27] <stdin> shanky: dose the kde clock shows 11:27 ?
[11:28] <shanky> stdin: yes the kde clock shows the right time
[11:28] <stdin> shanky: ok, then, try that command (I hate time zones :P )
[11:29] <shanky> stdin: it has no effects -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1038/
[11:30] <SlimG> will wlassistant be exchanged with kwifimanager in Feisty ?
[11:30] <stdin> hmm, date returns time in the right time zone here
[11:31] <SlimG> sorry, i meant knetworkmanager
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> #ubuntu+1 may know a lot better
[11:33] <wilman> how can i make my recording work with ubuntu edgy?
[11:35] <firecrotch> Haha, all I got from #ubuntu-server is "Use SUSE"
[11:35] <seven11> will apt-get distro update bring me to feisty?
[11:36] <Admiral_Chicago> no, you need to change your sources.list
[11:36] <stdin> shanky: try setting: 'export TZ="Europe/Madrid" ' before you run date
[11:36] <dwidmann> seven11, you could do that, but it wouldn't be very advisable to go to feisty for a few months yet
[11:36] <wilman> may i ask something?
[11:36] <wilman> is feisty the new ubuntu?
[11:36] <stdin> !feisty
[11:37] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[11:37] <seven11> ok thanks
[11:37] <d34l3r> hi all
[11:37] <d34l3r> got some problem
[11:37] <wilman> tell
[11:37] <d34l3r> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 0 <<<
[11:37] <d34l3r> from line zero to line nine
[11:37] <d34l3r> ..
[11:38] <d34l3r> some program changed it yesterday
[11:38] <d34l3r> :/
[11:38] <d34l3r> got an idea how to fix?
[11:38] <wilman> what did you do before it happend
[11:38] <stdin> d34l3r: post your sudoers file in pastebin, we'll take a look
[11:38] <d34l3r> I installed a program
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> d34l3r: /etc/sudoers
[11:38] <d34l3r> ok, w8
[11:39] <d34l3r> Nano tells me, Permission is denied
[11:39] <wilman> sudo nano
[11:39] <d34l3r> that's my main problem
[11:40] <d34l3r> i cannot get superuser rights^^
[11:40] <d34l3r> >_<
[11:40] <wilman> well
[11:40] <wilman> hehe
[11:40] <wilman> so
[11:40] <wilman> hmm
[11:40] <firecrotch> Well, you're screwed
[11:40] <stdin> d34l3r: live cd then
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> wilman, d34l3r you can still open it as read only
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> copy it and paste it
[11:40] <wilman> hmm
[11:40] <d34l3r> Admiral_Chicago - how to?
[11:40] <wilman> smart :)
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> also, drop to a recovery mode.
[11:40] <stdin> Admiral_Chicago: no you can't: -r--r----- 1 root root 403 2006-12-23 17:23 /etc/sudoers
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> d34l3r: hit enter
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> after permission denied.
[11:41] <d34l3r> i know what I did
[11:41] <dwidmann> rather than a livecd, rebooting in recovery mode works also
[11:41] <d34l3r> i used smb4k
[11:41] <d34l3r> grml...
[11:41] <d34l3r> damn smb4k
[11:41] <stdin> d34l3r: yeah, smb4k changes it
[11:41] <dwidmann> wait, I missed that part, Admiral_Chicago already said it
[11:42] <d34l3r> is there any way to get it working again?
[11:42] <d34l3r> I mean
[11:42] <d34l3r> am I able to join this IRC Channel in Recovery MOde?
[11:42] <d34l3r> or does it disable network drivers?
[11:42] <wilman> hey i have a question, if you want to upgrade a programm but it does'nt upgrade with sudo apt-get upgrade and you know there is a newer version, what to do?
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> no it's a lot smarter than windows
[11:42] <d34l3r> ^^ ok
[11:42] <d34l3r> well
[11:42] <stdin> network should still be active
[11:42] <d34l3r> i will be back soon
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> wilman: backports maybe
[11:43] <d34l3r> going to restart ;)
[11:43] <d34l3r> wilman - or compile
[11:43] <stdin> wilman: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> compile from source, SVN.
[11:43] <dwidmann> d34l3r, well, there are terminal irc apps, of course
[11:43] <wilman> ok
[11:43] <d34l3r> i know
[11:43] <d34l3r> for example irssi
[11:43] <d34l3r> or bitchx
[11:43] <wilman> ok thx;)
[11:43] <d34l3r> ;)
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ftw
[11:43] <dwidmann> then why'd you ask? :P
[11:43] <d34l3r> i just ask if NETWORK DRIVERS are disabled
[11:43] <dwidmann> shouldn't be
[11:43] <d34l3r> not for console irc clients
[11:43] <d34l3r> ;)
[11:44] <d34l3r> lets se...
[11:44] <d34l3r> see*
[11:44] <dwidmann> I'm bored and drowsy, I think I'll take a nap
[11:44] <Admiral_Chicago> @now Chicago
[11:44] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: January 10 2007, 04:44:56
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> you got nothing on that dwidmann :)
[11:45] <dwidmann> nothing on what?
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> my time. it's 4 AM here. been up all night typing a paper, for my sister no less.
[11:45] <dwidmann> @now New York
[11:45] <dwidmann> @now NewYork
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> @now EST
[11:45] <Ubugtu> Current time in EST: January 10 2007, 05:46:00
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> !botabuse | dwidmann Admiral_Chicago
[11:46] <ubotu> dwidmann Admiral_Chicago: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:46] <dwidmann> o.O
[11:46] <dwidmann> it worked for Chicago ...
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Chicago > New York.
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> but that is offtopic
[11:46] <dwidmann> and the middle of nowhere is > chicago
[11:46] <d34l3r> back....
[11:47] <shanky> stdin: the export did not work
[11:47] <d34l3r> lol - i guess this is a security hole... I didnt need to enter any password for recovery mode
[11:47] <d34l3r> everybody is able to manipulate the system
[11:47] <d34l3r> with root rights...
[11:47] <shanky> stdin: sorry
[11:47] <shanky> did work
[11:47] <d34l3r> well
[11:47] <shanky> thanks
[11:47] <d34l3r> now... lets fix this
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> no, that isn't abnormal. you can change that i think -- BIOS pw for one
[11:47] <d34l3r> Bios PW can be abused
[11:48] <dwidmann> d34l3r: only protection from that is encryption
[11:48] <stdin> shanky: hmm, If I put "export TZ=Europe/Paris" then date, I get time in paris
[11:48] <d34l3r> ah i dont mean abused
[11:48] <d34l3r> you can remove bios pw
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> clear CMOS
[11:48] <d34l3r> yep
[11:48] <d34l3r> with battery out of compter
[11:48] <d34l3r> computer
[11:48] <d34l3r> for some seconds
[11:48] <d34l3r> not very secure :/
[11:48] <d34l3r> however - how can i fix this?
[11:48] <d34l3r> remove the Line 1-9 from sudoers file?
[11:49] <stdin> d34l3r: if you setup a root pass, you get asked for a password to enter recovery mode too
[11:49] <d34l3r> fine
[11:49] <d34l3r> :-)
[11:49] <d34l3r> going to do that later on
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> nano /etc/sudoers
[11:49] <dwidmann> stdin, I think it asks, IIRC, but you can leave it blank, hit enter and it takes it
[11:49] <d34l3r> hmm
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> and paste it, use w3m
[11:49] <d34l3r> seems like i cannot get TTY2 to work
[11:50] <d34l3r> that sucks >_<
[11:50] <dwidmann> d34l3r: single user mode ...
[11:50] <dwidmann> you're limitted to one VT
[11:50] <d34l3r> hmm ok
[11:50] <stdin> dwidmann: it asks, but if you don't put a pass in, it just boots run level 2, normal boot
[11:50] <d34l3r> going to remove line 1-9, that should fix problems i guess
[11:51] <stdin> should have told him to use screen
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> oops, I could have done that, forgot since I'm supposed to be working
[12:02] <d34l3r> back ...
[12:02] <d34l3r> now it works
[12:02] <stdin> good :)
[12:02] <d34l3r> omfg... smb4k had an error and POSTED THE ERROR in the sudoers file
[12:02] <d34l3r> >_<
[12:04] <stdin> ohh, btw d34l3r, you can use screen to get more than 1 console in recovery mode, just though you'd want to know :p
[12:04] <d34l3r> thx :-)
[12:04] <d34l3r> does (K)Ubuntu Edgy have any known Problems yet?
[12:05] <stdin> d34l3r: well it has some bugs, if that's want you mean
[12:05] <d34l3r> well
[12:05] <d34l3r> i have not seen one of this bugs yet
[12:05] <d34l3r> except that QTparted does NOT recognize Maxtor Hard Drives
[12:05] <d34l3r> or is able to partition them...
[12:05] <d34l3r> I mean
[12:05] <d34l3r> Maxtor SATA Hard Drive....
[12:06] <d34l3r> and qtparted is a little instable and is not able to resize NTFS drives :-D
[12:06] <stdin> some feisty known bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=feisty
[12:06] <d34l3r> so I did it on windows using Partitionmagic
[12:07] <stdin> can gparted resize ntfs?
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> partition magic is the reason I use Gnu / Linux now
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> crashed Windows, made me lose years of date that I didn't have backed up
[12:07] <stdin> was the 1st tool I used to partition too
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> stdin: yes
[12:07] <shanky> stdin: how can I made the change permanent?
[12:07] <d34l3r> Admiral_chicacho
[12:08] <d34l3r> Admiral_Chicago,
[12:08] <d34l3r> i HAD TO make 20 GB free with PartitionMagic
[12:08] <stdin> shanky: the export TZ ?
[12:08] <shanky> stdin: yes
[12:08] <d34l3r> qtparted wasn't able to resize my NTFS partition
[12:08] <d34l3r> -.-
[12:08] <d34l3r> well - but my Windows still is alive
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i though it could...oh well.
[12:08] <d34l3r> it crashed at me
[12:09] <d34l3r> I got an Samsung Spinpoint IDE drive
[12:09] <stdin> shanky: you can add the line to ~/.bashrc (for just you), or add it to /etc/bash.bashrc (for all users)
[12:09] <d34l3r> so i think that is not the reason...
[12:09] <stdin> d34l3r: qtparted and gparted aren't the same
[12:09] <d34l3r> i know
[12:09] <d34l3r> ;)
[12:10] <stdin> qtparted it the perfect example of a buggy app
[12:10] <d34l3r> and why the f*ck is it included?
[12:10] <d34l3r> and not gparted?
[12:10] <stdin> d34l3r: because it a KDE app, and GParted is a GNOME app
[12:10] <d34l3r> that s**cks
[12:11] <d34l3r> I hope there will be a better one, soon
[12:11] <stdin> the Kubuntu developers have put a lot of work in to QTParted, so it's better than before, but it's got a way to go yet
[12:11] <Jucato> qtparted isn't a KDE app... it's a Qt app... GParted isn't a GNOME app, it's a GTK app (GNU Parted)
[12:11] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: I was going to say that but I got busy with this paper.
[12:12] <stdin> Jucato: yes, I know that, but you knew what I meant
[12:12] <Jucato> stdin: oh I didn't know what you meant ;)
[12:12] <stdin> fine :p
[12:12] <Jucato> anyway, more for the info of others who might not know what you meant :)
[12:13] <Jucato> lol actually, GParted *is* a GNOME app :P
[12:13] <stdin> just run this on the sentence s/KDE/QT/ s/GNOME/GTK
[12:13] <Jucato> see I do make mistakes :)
[12:13] <shanky> stdin: thanks
[12:14] <stdin> shanky: no problem :)
[12:14] <Jucato> stdin: thanks
[12:14] <stdin> :)
[12:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Gnome = GN Open Managed Enviroment
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> GNu*
[12:15] <Jucato> :)
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> GNOME == GNU
[12:15] <Jucato> KDE = K Desktop Environment... very meaningful :)
[12:15] <Linux_Galore> GNU have nothing to do with gnome
[12:16] <Jucato> :)
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Linux_Galore: GNOME is the third major project of GNU
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i heard it from Stallman himself Linux_Galore
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: yes but gnome isnt even "GPL" its LGPL
[12:17] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: Gnome is a separate project from the GNU group
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: ever wonder why the "comercial" companies like Gnome over KDE, its because KDE is GPL and so is QT,  Gnome os LGPL thus allowing them to mix binaries and open source into the mix
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> is*
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> this conversation is very pedantic...
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: not its the truth
[12:18] <Jucato> GNU Object Model Environment?
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> something like that
[12:18] <Jucato> ok... let's not all get too carried away...
[12:19] <Linux_Galore> Last i looked RS isnt a big fan of LGPL
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i see, GNOME isn't GNU based.
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> RS doesn't use X, that's why...
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: LGPL in some ways goes against what RS stands for
[12:21] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: lgpl in some ways says "yes binaries are fine", no there not
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i know that but when he does use X, i'm pretty sure he uses GNOME, he doensn;t like KDE too much
[12:21] <Linux_Galore> Admiral_Chicago: he prefers KDE last i read because its GPL and is the most like OSX
[12:22] <Linux_Galore> no sorry thats Linus who likes KDE
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Last I read, he didn't like KDE, either way I don't feel like arguing licensing or the desktop preferences of one person
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> KDE is the best
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> think Linus did a big dummy spit about Gnome a whole back
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> while*
[12:24] <Linux_Galore> but then again Gnome isnt really aimed at power users like Linux
[12:24] <Linux_Galore> Linus*
[12:24] <Jucato> (just a friendly advice to try and keep things on topic. thanks!)
[12:24] <stdin> !offtopic
[12:24] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:28] <stdin> sorry, couldn't resist :P
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: Im waiting for a question
[12:29] <Raysiel> hi there
[12:29] <stdin> hello
[12:30] <Raysiel> does anybody here have any experience with xgame?
[12:31] <stdin> Sorry, I don't know anything about xgame
[12:31] <Raysiel> well maybe you can help anyway with the problem i have ;P it seems like a permissions issue
[12:32] <stdin> ask away
[12:33] <Raysiel> basically xgame starts games in new x sessions so that u can play, switch to your desktop while not sharing resources
[12:33] <Raysiel> or something like that ^^'
[12:33] <Raysiel> (sorry for the bad english)
[12:33] <hornet> a kanaly tez tu sa?
[12:33] <hornet> chce pogadac po polsku :)
[12:33] <stdin> !po | hornet
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about po - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:34] <stdin> !pl | hornet
[12:34] <ubotu> hornet: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:34] <hornet> dzieki
[12:34] <Raysiel> anyway i try to start cedega from xgame and the result is
[12:34] <Raysiel> xauth:  creating new authority file /home/sparviero/.serverauth.17651
[12:34] <Raysiel> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[12:34] <Raysiel> xinit:  Server error.
[12:34] <hornet> i poradz jakiego linuxa se zapodac
[12:34] <Raysiel> i tried chmodding 6755 xinit and X
[12:35] <Raysiel> nothing changes
[12:35] <stdin> Raysiel: how are you running this xgame app?
[12:37] <Raysiel> xgame has a gtk2 frontend
[12:37] <stdin> Raysiel: where did you get it from?
[12:37] <Raysiel> from there i configured it to launch a script i wrote myself
[12:37] <Raysiel> i had to download them from http://xgame.tlhiv.org/
[12:38] <Raysiel> the script is a simple line with the parameters i need for cedega
[12:38] <Raysiel> but x won't start
[12:38] <Raysiel> i tried doing sudo xinit script -- :2 and it obviously work
[12:39] <Raysiel> but then i realized a terrible thing
[12:39] <Raysiel> i didn't know how to revert back to my previous xserver ;P tha game crashed and i was stuck in the new xserver =( had to reboot
[12:43] <dwidmann> Raysiel, as a last resort, you could always remove the xserver packages, and then reinstall them
[12:43] <stdin> Raysiel: hmm, it looks like it's trying to run a full X server, which only root can do
[12:46] <tazz> i am getting problems while installing libc6 which seems to be broken and it wont ununstall, so sould i uninstall it manually?
[12:46] <stdin> tazz: libc6 should already be installled
[12:47] <stdin> Raysiel: you may find it easier to just start a new session if you want the game to run in another X server
[12:47] <Raysiel> but the real question is: how do i switch between them?
[12:48] <dwidmann> ctrl + alt + f7/f8
[12:48] <stdin> Raysiel: you can either use the menu (Kmenu -> Switch user)  or sue the keyboard
[12:48] <tazz> stdin, i messed with libc6 which was completely my fault, i tried to install libc6 externally from debian's repos so now libc6 is broken
[12:49] <stdin> tazz: have you removed the debian repository from your sources ?
[12:49] <MobsterLobster> !xgl
[12:49] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:49] <dwidmann> maybe something like this, tazz, apt-get remove libc6, apt-get clean, apt-get update, apt-get install libc6
[12:49] <tazz> stdin, it seems to be broken and it wont remove if i do a dpkg -r
[12:49] <Raysiel> stdin: usink kmenu is not a solution since i would start a session without a window manager. what about using the keyboard? what do you mean exactly?
[12:50] <tazz> dwidmann, i tried that didnt work.
[12:50] <dwidmann> what does apt say, exactly?
[12:50] <dwidmann> !paste
[12:50] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[12:50] <stdin> tazz: a lot of things depend on libc6, you can't remove it, the solution is to remove the debian repository and run "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libc6"
[12:51] <dwidmann> I would recommend apt-get cleaning first, just to be sure that the debian libc6 isn't in the /var/cache/apt/archive
[12:51] <stdin> Raysiel: if you want to start a blank X session, then you need to run "startx -- :1" or "startx -- :2" as root
[12:51] <tazz> waite i will pastebin the error i get
[12:52] <stdin> dwidmann: if you remove the debian archive, then it won't matter if there is a higher version in /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:53] <tazz> dwidmann, stdin http://pastebin.com/855841 <------ the errors i get
[12:53] <dwidmann> might if it's locally available o.O I can't remember if it does that or not
[12:53] <stdin> Raysiel: then you can run the game like "DISPLAY=:1 game"
[12:54] <stdin> dwidmann: it doesn't, as it looks for the highest available version in the repos
[12:54] <dwidmann> ah, good that it does that then, but hey, my paranoia is justified, if you're paranoid things always work :O
[12:55] <ForgeAus> hey all is there any way to convert an XFS disk to an EXT2 one?
[12:55] <ForgeAus> erm ext3 sorry
[12:55] <Raysiel> stdin: that works also by launching xinit /usr/bin/wow -- :2 as root as i tried before. but i cannot revert to the first x session
[12:56] <MobsterLobster> where would my sources list be for apt?
[12:56] <apokryphos> in /etc/apt
[12:56] <dwidmann> tazz, try having it reinstall glibc also, perhaps
[12:57] <stdin> Raysiel: use Ctrl-Alt-F7
[12:57] <dwidmann> /etc/apt/sources.list @ MobsterLobster
[12:57] <stdin> Raysiel: and Ctrl-Alt-F8 to go back to the game
[12:57] <guglielf> hi, apparently i have this prob: the only way for the adept_notifier to work is after an apt-get update in konsole. Any suggestion? tnx
[12:57] <MobsterLobster> to edit it i would sukde kate /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:57] <MobsterLobster> *kdesu
[12:57] <dwidmann> yup
[12:59] <Raysiel> yeah that is what i was seaarching for
[12:59] <graniti> hi
[01:02] <stdin> tazz: can you post this file on pastebin: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst
[01:02] <ForgeAus> is it better to convert my old filesystem or remove it and make a blank partition?
[01:03] <stdin> ForgeAus: I don't know if you can convert xfs to ext3, you may have to reformat it
[01:04] <ForgeAus> ok thanx stdin
[01:05] <astan> is there any way to reset the look of the login screen to the KDE default? the kubuntu one look, imho, quite awful :) the login/passwd text entries are borderless and they overlap the graphics in the background in a weird way..
[01:05] <Raysiel> argh
[01:05] <Raysiel> didn't work as i expected
[01:06] <Raysiel> there's something odd... like running xinit etc etc shuts down the first xserver.
[01:06] <stdin> Raysiel: try using startx, it's the proper way of starting a X server
[01:06] <Raysiel> or anyway it starts the new one in the same place as the old one
[01:07] <Raysiel> ctrl+alt+f8 brings nowhere while the new xserver is @f7
[01:07] <Raysiel> maybe because i give the command from konsole in the graphical server? should i try from tty1?
[01:09] <stdin> Raysiel: no, it works in konsole too, if you use startx not xinit
[01:17] <MobsterLobster> !nvidia
[01:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:25] <ForgeAus> bbl rebooting
[01:29] <addyk> Hello! does anyone know why can't I find mc in aptitude? :|
[01:29] <tazz> stdin, just a sec i will paste it
[01:30] <tristano> hello, audio doesn't work! i have 2 sound blasters (the via, embedded, and the ensoniq pci). how to fix this problem? i suppose that kubuntu uses via as default sound blaster.
[01:30] <Raysiel> stdin: is the syntax ok? startx gamescript -- :2
[01:32] <tazz> stdin, http://pastebin.com/855864
[01:33] <Kubentero> Whats the deal with Kwallet?
[01:34] <Tm_T> It keeps passwords etc etc.
[01:34] <Kubentero> No it doesn't :-P
[01:34] <Tm_T> For example, all my Kopete accounts and Kmail accounts are held in Kwallet, so I don't have to enter them all the time.
[01:34] <Tm_T> But yes, it has been buggy at times.
[01:35] <Kubentero> I open Kopete and it asks for my kwallet pasword then asks me for all the kopete passwords
[01:35] <Kubentero> That's not useful
[01:35] <Tm_T> Hmm, and you did set it to keep all passwords?
[01:35] <tristano> hello, audio doesn't work! i have 2 sound blasters (the via, embedded, and the ensoniq pci). how to fix this problem? i suppose that kubuntu uses via as default sound blaster.
[01:35] <Tm_T> !sound
[01:35] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:35] <Tm_T> tristano: Any help there?
[01:36] <Kubentero> Tm_T: no I figured that's the point of the kwallet
[01:36] <tristano> now i search in.
[01:36] <Tm_T> Kubentero: Well it doesn't remember those if you don't set that way, I don't keep all my passwords there either.
[01:37] <Kubentero> I have to set each kopete password to be kept in kwallet?
[01:38] <Tm_T> Kubentero: Well, IIRC it asks it when you add account so yes.
[01:38] <Kubentero> Hmm
[01:38] <tristano> Tm_T: i have 2 sound blasters (recognized by kubuntu), one works, the other not, and i suppose that kubuntu uses as default that that doesn't work.
[01:38] <stdin> Raysiel: no, you need do something like "sudo startx -- :2 &" then "DISPLAY=:2 gamescript"
[01:38] <Tm_T> tristano: Can you disable the other one in BIOS?
[01:38] <adz21c> there is a bug with kwallet on edgy when it comes to storing passwords, i think someone said it is a problem with fresh installs only
[01:39] <Raysiel> stdin: ty i'll try right now
[01:39] <Kubentero> Well this is the live CD
[01:39] <adz21c> may have the same problem
[01:39] <Kubentero> Can I just shut off kwallet?
[01:40] <Jucato> right-click on the wallet in the system tray, configure, then uncheck the "enable wallet subsystem"?
[01:40] <tristano> Tm_T: now i try!
[01:41] <Kubentero> Suppose there is no wallet there?
[01:41] <Jucato> it's not running?
[01:41] <Zero_Kelvin> Hiyo!
[01:41] <Kubentero> Lets say it's not :-)
[01:42] <Kubentero> When I turn on the Live CD it's not there but it sure asks a lot
[01:42] <Jucato> Alt+F2, "kcontrol" -> Security & Privacy -> wallet should be there
[01:42] <Zero_Kelvin> Just a quick couple of questions. I used to use Gwenview on Gentoo to browse images, then perhaps move them around to sort them if I found duplicates and what not. I tried doing this tonight and Gwenview installed via Adept in Kubuntu doesn't open Zips or mounted Hard Drives. Any ideas?
[01:43] <Jucato> Zero_Kelvin: are you sure it's Gwenview and not Digikam?
[01:43] <stdin> tazz: hmm, I'm kinds stuck on this one
[01:43] <stdin> *kanda
[01:44] <Zero_Kelvin> Urk. Bad english. Gwenview doesn't create thumbnails for zips or hard drives. It'll open them, but I have to manually enter the location in the address bar, which is a bit annoying since I haven't had to do it before.
[01:45] <Kubentero> Hmm Hasn't been dropped into System Settings I see
[01:45] <stdin> tazz: try asking in #ubuntu and/or ##linux
[01:45] <Zero_Kelvin> I'd really like to use something like ACDSee 2.4's browse function but there isn't a single Linux image viewer that works the same.
[01:45] <Jucato> Kubentero: because the option is reachable through the system tray (theoretically)
[01:46] <Kubentero> ok
[01:51] <Kubentero> Isn't there a printers:/ kio ?
[01:51] <Kubentero> Aah Print:/
[01:52] <Kubentero> KDE is such a thing of prettiness
[01:52] <Zero_Kelvin> All I want for browsing (cause there's tonnes of tools for mucking with images) is something that has a large preview area, and a smaller file/directory/hdd list on the side that I can navigate through via the arrow keys and enter, without using the mouse.
[01:54] <Zero_Kelvin> Gwenview comes close, although it's missing a .. file at the top of the file list, but now it's acting differently to the last version I used and not displaying HDD's or zips. I've checked the options, and I've searched on Google (and gotten lots of utterly unrelated results to my problem).
[01:57] <Kubentero> Hmm Ok how do I add a printer?
[01:57] <stdin> Kubentero: use system settings to do that
[01:59] <sivaji>  hi stdin
[02:00] <stdin> hi sivaji
[02:00] <sivaji> can u tell me a ide for visual c++
[02:00] <sivaji> in kde
[02:00] <Jucato> there is not "Visual C++" in Linux
[02:00] <Schuenemann> sivaji: eclipse
[02:01] <Schuenemann> www.eclipse.org
[02:01] <Jucato> C++ yes, but not Visual C++ (afaik)
[02:01] <Schuenemann> yeah, right
[02:01] <Jucato> There's KDevelop for KDE
[02:01] <Schuenemann> who needs visual c++ ?
[02:01] <sivaji> it is not there in eclipse
[02:01] <Schuenemann> you have to install c++ plugin for eclipse
[02:01] <Jucato> sivaji: Visual C++ is a Microsoft only implementation of C++
[02:01] <Schuenemann> which I don't know the name :)
[02:01] <Jucato> sivaji: if you need a C++ IDE for KDE, you can use KDevelop
[02:02] <sivaji> i need my hod has given a project in that
[02:02] <Schuenemann> then you need windows :/
[02:02] <Jucato> yes, you definitely need Windows, and not just Wine
[02:02] <sivaji> no it is fully diff from c++
[02:02] <pointer_> i must to open a port , how i do that on ubuntu???
[02:02] <Schuenemann> how can I update to KDE 3.5.5?
[02:03] <Schuenemann> oh wait nevermind
[02:03] <sahin_w> Are you using Dapper or Edgy?
[02:03] <sahin_w> np
[02:03] <Schuenemann> edgy already comes with 3.5.5, right?
[02:03] <Jucato> yes
[02:03] <sahin_w> Yep.
[02:03] <Schuenemann> I thought I was using dapper
[02:03] <Jucato> :)
[02:04] <stdin> Schuenemann: you can use "kde-config --version" to check :)
[02:04] <Schuenemann> help > about kde said 2.5.5
[02:04] <Schuenemann> 3.5.5
[02:04] <Schuenemann> and so does kde-config
[02:05] <stdin> Schuenemann: in fact, you can do --version on any kde app to see the KDE and QT version, aswel as the app version
[02:05] <Zero_Kelvin> Outta here. Cya's later.
[02:06] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks
[02:06] <stdin> heh, my Konversation version is "1.0.1+ #3196" :D
[02:07] <drarem> when i run the apt package manager from the menu, it asks for p/w to run as root - how can I set up Kate to run like that?
[02:07] <Schuenemann> Konversation: 1.0.1
[02:07] <Jucato> hehe welcome to the wonderful world of SVN :)
[02:07] <Schuenemann> drarem: kdesu kate
[02:07] <Jucato> drarem: what for?
[02:07] <drarem> so i don't have to go to terminal to sudo it
[02:07] <Kubentero> Jucato: He needs kate to run as root?
[02:08] <Kubentero> Strange
[02:08] <Kubentero> Anytime I click on Printers in System settings system settings goes away
[02:08] <Schuenemann> maybe he'll edit grub config file
[02:08] <Jucato> either in Konsole or in Alt+F2: kdesu kate
[02:08] <pointer_> i must to open a port , how i do that on ubuntu???
[02:08] <drarem> ok thanks
[02:08] <Jucato> maybe... or maybe he just thought it could be password protected... I don't know.. that's why I ask :)
[02:08] <LjL> pointer_: ?
[02:08] <Schuenemann> drarem: you can right click and select Edit as root
[02:09] <pointer_> i must to open 34595 UDP port...
[02:09] <LjL> pointer_: TCP/UDP ports are open *unless* you explicitly "close" them somehow
[02:09] <pointer_> how i do that???
[02:09] <pointer_> i have rooter
[02:09] <LjL> pointer_: then it's a problem with your router, not with Ubuntu
[02:09] <drarem> nahh, but maybe i should be editing stuff in development on my home and then sudo cp it to the production folders that are protected
[02:09] <stdin> if you prefer to speak Italian, use #kubuntu-it
[02:09] <drarem> prob better way of not hosing stuff up
[02:10] <Valmarko> I want to remove a directory. What command should I use?
[02:10] <Kubentero> rmdir
[02:10] <LjL> !pm | pointer_
[02:10] <ubotu> pointer_: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[02:10] <Valmarko> tnks
[02:10] <LjL> pointer_: i don't know, it depends entirely on your router. it comes with an instruction manual i would assume
[02:12] <drarem> what is this debconf for PostFix thing?
[02:12] <Valmarko> I want to remove a directory but its not empty. What command should I use ?
[02:12] <LjL> Ubotu, tell Valmarko about cli | Valmarko, see the private message from Ubotu
[02:12] <Schuenemann> rm -rf directory
[02:12] <stdin> Valmarko: rm -r
[02:12] <LjL> Valmarko: "man rm"
[02:13] <Valmarko> ok, tanks :)
[02:14] <sivaji> ple tell me what is the use of this command rm -r
[02:15] <Schuenemann> rm = remove
[02:15] <stdin> sivaji: man rm
[02:15] <Schuenemann> -r = include subdirectory
[02:15] <Schuenemann> ies*
[02:15] <stdin> -r = recursive
[02:15] <Schuenemann> sounds better
[02:20] <Kubentero> KDE ~= June?
[02:20] <stdin> huh?
[02:20] <Kubentero> KDE4 ~= June?
[02:20] <stdin> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[02:21] <bonbonthejon> is kde4 going to be backported to dapper?
[02:21] <Schuenemann> what should I install to use vnc?
[02:21] <stdin> !vnc
[02:21] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:21] <Schuenemann> vncserver (apt-get) ?
[02:21] <stdin> bonbonthejon: don't think so, not any time soon anyway
[02:22] <bonbonthejon> stdin: hmm, how about for edgy?
[02:22] <chuen> Hi. If I can find lib files in the repository and have to download in gzip format, how do I install them correctly?
[02:22] <chuen> I mean *can't* find - sorry!
[02:23] <Dell-Net> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[02:23] <stdin> bonbonthejon: maybe, but KDE4 isn't going to be released for a long time, there will be a developer release (to make KDE4 apps), but not a desktop release any time soon
[02:23] <chuen> Hi stdin thans for you help with amarok yesterday.
[02:23] <stdin> chuen: no problem :)
[02:24] <stdin> !compile | chuen
[02:24] <ubotu> chuen: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:25] <chuen> stdin - where do I use the '!' command?
[02:25] <stdin> chuen: you don't, you read the link the bot gave you
[02:26] <chuen> Oh, OK - but I've seen that a few times -is it an irc command?
[02:26] <stdin> chuen: no, it's a command for the ubuntu bot
[02:26] <stdin> !bot
[02:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:27] <Schuenemann> stdin: which vnc you use (if any) ?
[02:28] <chuen> stdin Oh! Ok.  I search in adept and couldn't find libmtp (which is what I;m looking for)
[02:28] <stdin> Schuenemann: I don't, but I've used FreeNX, it's quite good
[02:28] <Schuenemann> hmm.... but that's a different protocol, right?
[02:28] <sivaji> when i compile my c++ program in eclipse i got this error "lauch failed  no binaries "  how can i solve this
[02:29] <stdin> Schuenemann: yeah, it's SSH
[02:29] <Schuenemann> I need vnc
[02:30] <stdin> Schuenemann: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH
[02:30] <stdin> opps :p
[02:30] <stdin> Schuenemann: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[02:30] <stdin> chuen: yeah, it's not in dapper, why do you need it?
[02:32] <Kubentero> OK i have a HP 5610 printer
[02:32] <Kubentero>  I only see drivers for 5600 which I figure would be close enough
[02:32] <Kubentero> I guess not
[02:33] <Kubentero> :(
[02:33] <Kubentero> None oft he testp ags print
[02:33] <chuen> stdin for an mtp device I'm trying to use in amarok.
[02:33] <chuen> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:MT
[02:34] <chuen> stdin my ipod is fine, but my son is bitching about not being able to use hisCreative device any more :)
[02:36] <stdin> chuen: ok, so where did you download the lib from?
[02:38] <Schuenemann> can I remove file /tmp/.X3-lock ? I killed a procss
[02:38] <Schuenemann> process*
[02:39] <Schuenemann> I mean is it safe?
[02:39] <Schuenemann> says write-locked
[02:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> omg omg how could i enhance OpenOffice Word's thesaurus, it's a piece of crap right now =(
[02:41] <chuen> stdin: sorry went to get lunch ...
[02:41] <stdin> chuen: aww, now you're making me hungry
[02:41] <chuen> stdin: http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/
[02:41] <chuen> stdin: LOL
[02:41] <stdin> chuen: which version? 0.2.1?
[02:42] <stdin> chuen: *0.1.2
[02:42] <chuen> stdin: Yep.
[02:43] <stdin> chuen: ok, let's try and compile it then :)
[02:43] <chuen> stdin: Gulp.
[02:43] <stdin> chuen: 1st thing you need to do, is open konsole
[02:44] <chuen> stdin: first time for eveything ...
[02:44] <chuen> stdin: OK - one sec.
[02:44] <chuen> stdin: OK, done.
[02:45] <stdin> chuen: now you need to cd to where you downloaded the file
[02:45] <chuen> stdin: ok
[02:45] <stdin> chuen: so if it's on the desktop "cd Desktop"
[02:46] <stdin> chuen: done that?
[02:46] <chuen> stdin: Mmm. "permission denied"
[02:46] <chuen> I think I may know why...
[02:46] <stdin> chuen: huwa?
[02:46] <drarem> is there a channel here for ubuntu server security or something?
[02:46] <chuen> stdin: a chmod experiment that went wrong :(
[02:47] <stdin> drarem: #ubuntu-server is for ubuntu server
[02:47] <chuen> from my user director with a '*' at the end .
[02:47] <stdin> chuen: oh deer
[02:47] <chuen> What mermissions should Desktop have>?
[02:47] <chuen> permissions even.
[02:48] <stdin> chuen: it's normally 700
[02:48] <drarem> thanks
[02:48] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's the 700 club
[02:48] <ninHer> where are located conf. files of kopete ?
[02:48] <Balsamic_Chicken> i think i saw it on tv for like 2 seconds
[02:49] <stdin> ninHer:~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc
[02:49] <ninHer> thakns stdin
[02:49] <stdin> :)
[02:50] <chuen> stdin: Not familiar enough with chomd (obviously, from earlier experiment) but group and other are forbidden and user has read / write.
[02:51] <stdin> chuen: 700 = owner (user) read+write+execute, group forbidden , other forbidden
[02:51] <stdin> chuen: with directories, execute means, permission to enter the directory
[02:52] <chuen> stdin: Ah, OK.
[02:52] <guglielf> hi, I have a problem: the only way for the adept_notifier to start is after updating with apt-get in konsole. Any suggestion? tnx
[02:52] <chuen> stdin: so if  I chmod Desktop
[02:52] <stdin> guglielf: what do you mean?
[02:53] <stdin> chuen: so "chmod 700 Desktop" then "cd Desktop"
[02:53] <chuen> stdin: what's the syntax from, say my user directory?
[02:53] <chuen> stdin: OK.
[02:53] <guglielf> I mean that the only way I have to mak ean update is using apt-get in konsole
[02:54] <chuen> stdin: Done.
[02:54] <stdin> guglielf: adept_notifier isn't starting ?
[02:54] <stdin> guglielf: if so, press Alt-F2 and type in: adept_updater
[02:54] <guglielf> stdin: apparently not
[02:54] <Kubentero>  can I Print an ODT from the command line?
[02:55] <stdin> chuen: ok, now you need to extract the files from the tar.gz archive
[02:55] <guglielf> stdin: it starts only after updating the database with apt-get: strage behaviour indee
[02:56] <fdoving> guglielf: you didn't disable apt-index-watcher did you?
[02:56] <guglielf> no, i did not
[02:56] <chuen> stdin: via command line? Never done that I'm afraid.
[02:56] <Kubentero> Oh no wait it's a doc
[02:56] <guglielf> stdin: what's that?
[02:56] <Kubentero>  can I print a .doc from the command line?
[02:56] <stdin> guglielf: that's because you only see it if there are updates available, and apt-get update checks for updates
[02:56] <stdin> chuen: ok, this is how we do it :)
[02:57] <stdin> chuen: tar xzf libmtp-0.1.2.tar.gz
[02:57] <chuen> stdin: OK. Just returns to command prompt, right?
[02:57] <sivaji> i dont can shortcut for cd driver on desktop when i put a cd inside the cd driver
[02:58] <stdin> chuen: yep
[02:58] <dennister> gm ppl
[02:58] <chuen> stdin: OK.
[02:58] <sivaji> i want that short cut to appear what to do ple tell me ?
[02:58] <stdin> chuen: tar is used to extract .tar files. tar.gz is a GZip compressed Tar archive, so we tell tar to extract with "x" and that the file is Gzipped with "z" and the file name with "f"
[02:59] <dennister> any web developers in the channel?  I'm looking on some advice as to the relative merits of zope 3, drupal, & joomla?
[02:59] <Kubentero> Zopee3 rocks! :)
[02:59] <chuen> stdin. OK thx. I'll print my IRC log out later and review that :)
[03:00] <stdin> chuen: I'm going to try and explain most of the commands used here, so you get a better understanding :)
[03:00] <chuen> stdin. OK, great.
[03:00] <dennister> really? how easy is it to learn for an experienced developer who's really into joomla?
[03:01] <dennister> i ask because we need a relatively complex site fast that we can build on over time
[03:01] <guglielf> stdin: yeah right, but i'd like adept_notifier to notify for updates
[03:01] <stdin> chuen: now if you use the command "ls" (that's LS lower case), you see a new directory called "libmtp-0.1.2"
[03:01] <guglielf> stdin: thanks for the attn however, just in case how can I enable that apt-index-watcher
[03:01] <stdin> guglielf: it should check for updates once a day automatically
[03:01] <chuen> stdin: Yes.
[03:01] <Kubentero> dennister: A pain :) Zope has very steep learning curve but is supremely configurable and poerful once you get it
[03:02] <stdin> guglielf: "sudo /etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher start" or "sudo /etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher restart" to restart it
[03:02] <stdin> chuen: now cd in to that directory
[03:02] <stdin> chuen: cd = Change Directory :)
[03:02] <guglielf> stdin: mmm ok i'll try that, tnx!
[03:02] <dennister> ok, so even a very experienced programmer/web developer might not be able to get it up and running by Feb 1st?
[03:03] <Kubentero> dennister: Yeah you should be able to do that pretty easy
[03:03] <Kubentero>  apt-get install zope3 :)
[03:03] <Kubentero> Just might be hard to appreciate what you have
[03:03] <dennister> Kubentero: i'm afraid i'm not that developer...she's a mac-head
[03:04] <stdin> chuen: you can use a feature called "Tab Completion" to help, if you type "cd lib<TAB>" (where <TAB> is the tab key), the command will be compleated for you
[03:04] <dennister> i'm the content person who'll be maintaining content
[03:04] <Kubentero> We have it running on macs at work
[03:04] <Kubentero> just as simple
[03:04] <dennister> really? as simple as joomla?
[03:05] <Kubentero> dennister: You should love zope then it logically seperates design engine and content
[03:05] <chris_> hi
[03:05] <chris_> who can donate some os there
[03:05] <chuen> stdin: I know 'cd' and a few other commands but I forget the syntax sometimes :) OK. Done
[03:05] <Kubentero> You can work on content all you want without having to worry about how it's going to be displayed or processed
[03:05] <chris_> OS
[03:05] <chuen> stdin: the 'tab completeion' is handy to know :)
[03:05] <chris_> os
[03:05] <chris_> hey
[03:05] <stdin> chuen: it's *very* useful :)
[03:06] <Kubentero> dennister: Going to be around for about 50 minutes?
[03:06] <chris_> k
[03:06] <stdin> chuen: now the 1st thing you'll want to do, is look at the files in the directory, so use the command "ls" to look (ls = list)
[03:06] <dennister> yes, but only an hour
[03:06] <dennister> have to leave in 2 hrs
[03:07] <dennister> not one hr
[03:07] <chuen> stdin: OK.
[03:07] <Kubentero> dennister: ok. I think that if this is a one off project stick with what you know. If you are looking to explore then Zope3 is a worthwhile endeavour
[03:07] <stdin> chuen: most packages that you compile will have a "configure" script, and so dose this one (which makes things easier)
[03:08] <chuen> stdn: OK.
[03:08] <stdin> chuen: so what we need to do, is run that script, but we need to tell it a couple of things first
[03:08] <Schuenemann> isn't there an EASY way to set VNC?
[03:09] <dennister> well, we're meeting wtiht he mac/joomla developer on friday...she said she'd be willing to learn drupal or whatever depending on whether or not it was 'needed'
[03:09] <stdin> chuen: we need to tell it the prefix to use, that's what directory to install everything in, in this case (and in most others), we want to install in /usr
[03:09] <dennister> i'm just concerned that joomla is too limiting a framework
[03:09] <Kubentero> Well decide if you need it then :-)
[03:10] <Kubentero> I don't think you will find that an issue with Zope3
[03:10] <stdin> chuen: so we run the script like this: ./configure --prefix=/usr
[03:10] <dennister> yes...it's more powerful apparently...even the silva is neat for collaborative publishing/versioning
[03:10] <stdin> chuen: you'll see it run, and It'll probably stop with an error if you don't have all the things the package needs installed
[03:11] <chuen> stdin: I think there are some dependants, so that may happen as I checked for them using adept earlier - lets  try it ....
[03:12] <stdin> chuen: have you installed the "build-essential" package yet ?
[03:12] <Kubentero> dennister: I'd go to #zope and #joomla and get them to tell you the weaknesses of the other.
[03:12] <chuen> stdin: Ummm, don't think so. BTW, it ran ok - no errors that I can identify.
[03:12] <dennister> i'm also concerned about what i read in this techsoup article comparing joomla, drupal, and plone: "it has limited out-of-the box functionality for dealing with sophisticated dynamic content structures. For instance, the site navigation is limited to no more than two levels of hierarchy"
[03:12] <stdin> chuen: can you paste the output?
[03:13] <stdin> chuen: (to pastebin)
[03:13] <Kubentero> dennister: For which one?
[03:13] <chuen> stdin: Yes I will - it was checking for some tings (GAWK) it couldn't find - maybe that's an error.
[03:13] <divansantana> hello all! :)
[03:13] <divansantana> please can someone advise me about something...?
[03:13] <dennister> ok; i will check those channels out...thx Kubentero :)  this is an isp the site is for, and it could be very complex...the quote i pasted above was for the joomla
[03:14] <stdin> chuen: I'll let you know when I look at the output
[03:14] <divansantana> I have tried to chek man page wit no luck
[03:14] <chuen> stdin: I saw another error - no C compiler - hang on I'll paste it .....
[03:14] <divansantana> I have a package on system that I want apt-get upgrade to ignore - any Ideas???
[03:14] <Kubentero> dennister: I'll catch up with you soon
[03:14] <dennister> k thx again
[03:15] <chuen> stdin: Ooops, pastebin is accusing me of spamming :)
[03:16] <stdin> divansantana: you can't do that with apt-get, you can do it with aptitude tho, like "sudo aptitude hold package". then "sudo aptitude upgrade"
[03:16] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1056/
[03:16] <stdin> http://pastebin.com/ is an alternative chuen
[03:17] <chuen> stdin: Thx. Handy to know of.
[03:17] <Schuenemann> stdin: the tutorial you sent me says I can allow people to connect remotely to my desktop
[03:17] <Hobbsee> stdin: wokrs better to hold with dpkg
[03:17] <Schuenemann> System Settings > Sharing > Desktop Sharing  > Create & Manage Invitations ...
[03:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you think we could have that in Adept sometime? :D
[03:18] <Schuenemann> where is desktop sharing? I don't see it
[03:18] <divansantana> stdin: great thanks!! :D i also found you can do it in synaptic(via ssh -X) and lock package permantly! - hopefully! will try thanks
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure.  when you implement it :)
[03:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: or when manchickend does :)
[03:18] <Jucato> I dare not touch Adept's code :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh
[03:18] <stdin> chuen: ok, you see the part saying "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH", it means you need some extra tools, they are in  build-essential, so "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[03:19] <chuen> stdin: OK
[03:19] <Schuenemann> sigh...
[03:20] <stdin> Schuenemann: Kmenu -> Internet -> Krfb
[03:20] <Schuenemann> stdin: does that use vnc?
[03:20] <chuen> stdin: OK it's installed .
[03:21] <stdin> Schuenemann: afaik yes
[03:22] <stdin> chuen: now you run the configure script again. (you can use the up arrow to get to the command, press up until you see it, then press enter)
[03:22] <Schuenemann> it doesn't let me configure anything
[03:22] <Schuenemann> like the password
[03:23] <lenscape> !dsniff
[03:23] <ubotu> dsniff: Various tools to sniff network traffic for cleartext insecurities. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4b1-14ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 114 kB, installed size 368 kB
[03:23] <stdin> Schuenemann: the password is displayed on the dialogue, if you want to set it up yourself, you need a vnc server
[03:24] <Schuenemann> ? isn't that a vnc server?
[03:24] <chuen> stdin: Ok there are acouple of libraries missing (as I suspected) . I'll double check in adept but I don't think they'r e in repository.
[03:25] <Schuenemann> at least the password is random for every invitation
[03:25] <stdin> Schuenemann: yes, but it's only a temporary one
[03:25] <chuen> Shall I past ethe output?
[03:25] <stdin> yes
[03:25] <chuen> stdin: OK.
[03:27] <Schuenemann> is there a command like windows' ipconfig?
[03:29] <eilker> !ifconfig
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <eilker> Schuenemann: it is ifconfig
[03:29] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1059/
[03:31] <stdin> chuen: ok, it says we need libusb, and because we are compiling with it, we need the -dev (development) package too, so "sudo apt-get install libusb-dev"
[03:31] <chuen> stdin: OK ...
[03:32] <sivaji_2009> when i am trying to install a package i got error report that launchpad program not found what shall i do stdin
[03:32] <stdin> sivaji_2009: is that with adept?
[03:32] <chuen> stdin: OK, done.
[03:32] <sivaji_2009> no
[03:33] <stdin> sivaji_2009: what with then?
[03:33] <sivaji_2009> in consol
[03:33] <stdin> chuen: now run the configure command, same as before
[03:33] <stdin> sivaji_2009: what's the exact error ?
[03:33] <chuen> stdin: OK ...
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:33] <sivaji_2009> it is a .bin
[03:34] <stdin> sivaji_2009: what is it for ?
[03:34] <chuen> stdin: OK. No errors (AFAIK).
[03:35] <sivaji_2009> i check for supporting files and say click finish for installation that  time  i got this error
[03:35] <stdin> chuen: at the end dose it say "config.status: executing depfiles commands" ?
[03:35] <chuen> stdin: Yes, that the last line of output.
[03:35] <stdin> chuen: then that part worked, next step now :p
[03:36] <stdin> sivaji_2009: what is the .bin package for ?
[03:36] <chuen> stdin: OK :)
[03:36] <stdin> chuen: now comes the actual compiling :)
[03:36] <stdin> chuen: to start the process of, we type the command "make"
[03:37] <stdin> chuen: and it will start to make the package :p
[03:37] <chuen> stdin: OK ...
[03:37] <eilker> !kde
[03:37] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:37] <chuen> just 'make'
[03:37] <DaSkreech> dennister: Ok I'm at work now
[03:37] <stdin> chuen: yes, just "make" , then you will see lots of things you wont understand now :p
[03:38] <chuen> stdin: LOL
[03:38] <sivaji_2009> stdin: it is wsad
[03:38] <stdin> Jucato: yes, we did :)
[03:38] <Jucato> koolness
[03:38] <Jucato> carry on :P
[03:38] <chuen> jucato: Ummm no :)
[03:38] <chuen> stdin: We did?!
[03:38] <stdin> we even resolved dependencies
[03:39] <Jucato> heh if you didn't use --prefix... well :P
[03:39] <stdin> chuen: remember? "./configure --prefix=/usr" ?
[03:39] <chuen> stdin: Oh *that* ? ;-)
[03:39] <Jucato> er...
[03:39] <chuen> stdin: Now I see.
[03:39] <Jucato> hm...
[03:39] <Jucato> setting --prefix=/usr defeats the purpose of why I hoped you used --prefix..
[03:39] <chuen> stdin: Ok it's finished.
[03:40] <stdin> sivaji_2009: post the whole output
[03:40] <Jucato> but anyway... stdin's customer :)
[03:40] <stdin> Jucato: no, we want/need it to be in /usr
[03:40] <Jucato> ah...
[03:40] <stdin> chuen: can you post, say, the last 10 lines on pastebin
[03:40] <chuen> jucato: 'Customer'? Is he d=going to invoice me secretly? ;)
[03:40] <chuen> stdin: OK ...
[03:41] <Jucato> he will
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Hope you have a first born
[03:41] <stdin> ok and chuen, yes, you will get my invoice :)
[03:41] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1062/
[03:42] <Neovea> hello
[03:42] <Dr_willis> Howdies
[03:42] <chuen> stdin: The (blank) cheque / check's in the post:)
[03:42] <Jucato> hi Dr_willis
[03:42] <stdin> chuen: looks good (and so dose the idea of a blank check :p )
[03:43] <chuen> stdin: Drawn on a UK bank though ;)
[03:43] <stdin> chuen: I'm in the UK :D
[03:43] <chuen> stdin: Doh!
[03:43] <stdin> hehe >:)
[03:44] <stdin> chuen: now lets get one more package that will let you make a .deb file from the package
[03:44] <chuen> stdin: OK, thx.
[03:44] <stdin> chuen: we need to: sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[03:44] <stdin> !checkinstall
[03:44] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[03:45] <chuen> stdin: OK, done.
[03:46] <stdin> chuen: now run "sudo checkinstall make install"
[03:47] <Jucato> er...
[03:47] <stdin> er...
[03:47] <Jucato> if you're going to use checkinstall, no need for make install
[03:47] <chuen> stdin: successful , but is asking for EOF (shall I carriage rtn?)
[03:47] <stdin> Jucato: I know, but it's a habit, it still works
[03:48] <Jucato> :)
[03:48] <stdin> chuen: It's asking for a description
[03:49] <stdin> chuen: just put "userspace USB programming library" (without quotes) and press enter twice
[03:49] <sivaji_2009> how to convert .rpm to .deb
[03:49] <stdin> !alien | sivaji_2009
[03:49] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:49] <Dr_willis> !alien
[03:49] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:50] <chuen> stdin: Done. Now it's asking if I want to change any of 9 values listed.
[03:50] <vyoman> has anybody a link to todays updates what has changed?
[03:51] <stdin> chuen: leave them all as default and just press enter
[03:51] <chuen> stdin: OK. It's installed!
[03:52] <chuen> stdin: that's it (for now) isn't it?
[03:52] <stdin> chuen: well done, you have just compiled your first package :)
[03:52] <chuen> stdin: Yes, with a major hand-hold.
[03:53] <chuen> stdin: I'll print that section of the irc log out. :)
[03:53] <chuen> stdin: For posterity ;)
[03:53] <stdin> chuen: frame it :P
[03:53] <chuen> stdin : LOL
[03:53] <chuen> stdin: No, about that cheque ...
[03:54] <chuen> stdin: do you have time for a 'day job'? Or is this it? ;-)
[03:54] <stdin> heh, my "day job" is actually a "night job" :p
[03:54] <chuen> stdin: Your not a sysadmin on permamnent nights are you? ;)
[03:55] <chuen> stdin: Right time, for a cuppa and a change of view :)
[03:55] <drarem> generic question - is it really necessary for all these forums to make you type in some code you can barely read to authenticate you are a human and then fill out a registration email to say you are who you say you are just to be able to post a dumb reply to a dumb message?
[03:55] <chuen> stdin: thanks again ttyl
[03:56] <stdin> but I prefer nights :)
[03:56] <stdin> no problem chuen  :)
[03:56] <chuen> stdin: I would imnagine it;s quiter than days (here) LOL.
[03:56] <stdin> chuen: yep, that's why I like it :P
[03:56] <n8k99> drarem: it is if you would rather not have a reply to your legitmate question point to the solution to your erectile disfunction
[03:57] <drarem> lol
[03:57] <drarem> how'd you know i paid for those
[03:57] <n8k99> erm, it's all over planet kubuntu
[03:58] <drarem> one too many ads, that spam really gets to you and then boom - guess their marketing stratedgy really does work
[03:59] <n8k99> hence the need for the signup-verify-signin process
[04:00] <eppu> I keep getting "nothing to be done." when trying to compile a new kernel, which doesn't make sense to me since it's never been compiled before and I ran clean on it as well
[04:00] <karmikaze> hrmmm
[04:01] <karmikaze> the updater is suggesting it is going to upgrade two linux-restricted-modules REMOVE my nvidia-glx and upgrade xserver-xorg-core...
[04:01] <eppu> I'm also using make-kpkg to make a kernel pkg rather than straight compile
[04:01] <karmikaze> does that mean i have to reinstall nvidia-glx again afterwards??
[04:01] <karmikaze> lupine_85: you about?
[04:17] <tristano> hello. i.m trying to install official driver for printer samsung scx4100. with other distros this works. but here, when i run the installer install.sh, i have this error message: ERROR: HARDWARE_PLATFORM undefined, execution aborted
[04:19] <luis_> ola
[04:19] <luis_> buenas tardes
[04:20] <luis_> olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[04:20] <BluesKaj> ok luis
[04:20] <luis_> necesito ayuda
[04:20] <BluesKaj> !es
[04:20] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:21] <luis_> grrcias
[04:21] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:25] <tristano> hom to allow root to have X access?
[04:26] <eviljames> I don't think ubuntu is designed in that way.  You should be accessing programs that need root access using sudo or kdesu I think.
[04:27] <eviljames> But I'm moving into hour 48 of being an ubuntu user, so don't take my words as gospel.
[04:27] <Jucato> !sudo | tristano
[04:27] <ubotu> tristano: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:27] <eviljames> Jucato: so I'm right? :)
[04:27] <Jucato> eviljames: yes
[04:28] <tristano> ubotu: i don't want to use sudo, i want have root login to X witohut sudo!
[04:29] <Jucato> tristano: ubotu is a bot
[04:29] <tristano> jucato: i don't want to use sudo, i want have root login to X witohut sudo!
[04:29] <tristano> yes, i.m sorry :D
[04:29] <Jucato> tristano: if you read that page before complaining, you'd know the answer
[04:29] <tristano> Jucato: not understood
[04:30] <Jucato> tristano: you want to be able to login graphically to root right?
[04:30] <eviljames> tristano: as my understanding goes, there's no way to specifically login to an ubuntu system as root.  You *COULD* killall running x processes, go to the command line, type "sudo su" for root access, then run startx again
[04:30] <Zero_Kelvin> Hiyo. Got a problem here with KDE and a particular KIO Slave - KZip. Normally Konqueror and Gwenview can access zipped files no problem, Gwenview even making a thumbnail when encountering them in a directory. At the moment though the only thing that seems capable of opening zip's is Ark, however Konqueror will open a zip if I put in zip:/home/zero/blah.zip
[04:30] <eviljames> but that would be taking a long way to go around the security measures in place.
[04:30] <Jucato> tristano: that wiki page that the bot gave has instructions
[04:30] <Zero_Kelvin> How do I reinstall kzip?
[04:31] <eviljames> zero: couldn't you just use adept to remove and re-add the package?
[04:31] <eviljames> or apt-get uninstall kzip
[04:31] <Jucato> kzip?
[04:31] <linguista> hy to all
[04:31] <linguista> hi
[04:31] <Zero_Kelvin> eviljames: What's the package name? I can't find anything that tells me, otherthan it seems to be in a big KDE package.
[04:31] <eviljames> Jucato: I think kzip == ark.
[04:31] <tristano> Jucato: i often work in console, switching user with 'su' and start an application with gui, isn't possibile here?
[04:32] <Jucato> tristano: I'm not sure. you could check that page for that one. doesn't "kdesu <app>" work for you?
[04:32] <Jucato> hm...
[04:32] <linguista> I need to write in japanese on kubuntu
[04:32] <Jucato> the kioslave for tar:/ and zip:/ aren't in a separate package
[04:32] <Zero_Kelvin> Possibly this one - kdebase-kio-plugins
[04:32] <Jucato> yes that one
[04:32] <eviljames> Zero_Kelvin: that's likely.
[04:33] <fdoving> Zero_Kelvin: it's described here: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[04:33] <tristano> Jucato: yes
[04:33] <Zero_Kelvin> Yeah, now how do I reinstall it without adept or dselect trying to remove a tonne of other stuff?
[04:33] <eviljames> oh.
[04:34] <eviljames> those are things that are dependant on kdebase-kio-plugins
[04:34] <eviljames> hm.
[04:34] <eviljames> That's where the limits of my ubuntu knowledge end, sorry.
[04:34] <tristano> Jucato: anyway, my problem is another. i'm searching to install an official printer driver, in every other distribution it's all ok, here installer give errors...
[04:35] <Jucato> the kioslaves for tar ang zip are independent of ark btw
[04:35] <Jucato> tristano: I'm not good w/ printers
[04:36] <tristano> jucato, this is not a printer problem
[04:36] <tristano> i think that is a bash problem
[04:37] <Zero_Kelvin> Nnngn nng nngn {slaps head} - apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-kio-plugins
[04:37] <Jucato> tristano: if you pastebin the errors that you get, maybe someone could help
[04:37] <tristano> jucato, only one error, that is generated by the script...
[04:38] <Jucato> what?
[04:39] <tristano> i must go now. grrr.
[04:40] <drarem> what's a good ftp server
[04:40] <drarem> or recommended
[04:40] <Jucato> ftp server or ftp app?
[04:40] <hatta> vsftpd
[04:41] <hatta> fast and safe
[04:41] <stdin> hmm http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-SCX_4100
[04:41] <drarem> server
[04:41] <drarem> thanks
[04:45] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get install
[04:45] <sivaji> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:45] <sivaji> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:45] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/Desktop$ fusr /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:46] <Jucato> Zero_Kelvin: let me get the FAQ
[04:47] <Jucato> Zero_Kelvin: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror <-- but only do the "To enable Konqueror to open tar and zip..."
[04:51] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get install
[04:51] <sivaji> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:51] <sivaji> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:51] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/Desktop$ fusr /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:52] <Zero_Kelvin> Jucato: Well thank %$#@ for that. :)
[04:52] <Zero_Kelvin> Jucato: Seems silly that was disabled.
[04:52] <Jucato> Zero_Kelvin: try to ask in #kubuntu first, as there are something that apply only to Kubuntu,like this one :)
[04:53] <Jucato> ok... over and out! :)
[04:54] <eppu> I keep getting "nothing to be done." when trying to compile a new kernel, which doesn't make sense to me since it's never been compiled before and I ran clean on it as well
[04:54] <eppu> I'm also using make-kpkg to make a kernel pkg rather than straight compile
[04:54] <Zero_Kelvin> Jucato: I did, but I was chasing the idea that since the KIO's worked directly and not indirectly that maybe there'd been some wrong with my install. It did go blank first time round (half an hour blank).
[04:55] <Zero_Kelvin> Oh well, now that that's sorted, I'm off to bed. Night all.
[04:56] <eppu> ah I missed the end of the line, I'm a stupid idiot!!!! grrrr
[05:17] <hassan2a_> le greff
[05:20] <tristano> hello, i have a ppd driver file, in which directory should i to put it?
[05:22] <payton> Hello, I have a question.  I'm using Edgy KDE and need to install a KMDR script.  How do I do that?
[05:25] <drarem> how do i give permission to a directory so i can edit or upload to it
[05:25] <drarem> chmod  ?
[05:26] <drarem> chmod 750
[05:27] <payton> Hello?  Anyone out there?
[05:27] <Gingillo> how do i install beryl on kubuntu?
[05:28] <Jucato> !beryl | Gingillo
[05:28] <ubotu> Gingillo: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:28] <Gingillo> Thanks
[05:31] <andreasw> hi
[05:32] <Gingillo> how do i find my version of kubuntu? (i don't remember lol)
[05:32] <osoh> hi all
[05:33] <stdin> Gingillo: lsb_releasea -a
[05:33] <Gingillo> thanks =)
[05:33] <stdin> Gingillo: sorry, it's : lsb_release -a
[05:33] <stdin> small typo :)
[05:33] <Gingillo> :P
[05:34] <Jucato> releasa... new command :P
[05:37] <chuen> stdin: Hi. Can I ask a quick question?
[05:37] <stdin> you just did :P
[05:37] <stdin> but you can ask another one if you want
[05:37] <chuen> stdin: LOL. I hope it's quick as in 'not time consuming' ... however...
[05:38] <chuen> stdin: I think we covered this yeterday, but I tried to a new respository (lates tversion of Amarok) in Adept Manager.
[05:39] <stdin> yes
[05:39] <chuen> stdin: This was fine except that the upgrade was diallawed because of 'BREAK' (I'd forgotten, but this happened yestaerday).
[05:40] <stdin> chuen: yeah, that's why we changed it to another one
[05:40] <chuen> stdin: So now I have the 'ackages availble' icon in my taskbar constantly :). Can I undo what I've done?
[05:41] <chuen> stdin: BTW,  the *only* reason I'm trying to get amarok 1.4.4 installed is that it is know to work with Creative Zen players (,ost).
[05:41] <tristano> which files are necesary in order to setup (with my hands) a printer?
[05:41] <chuen> stdin: Otherwise I wouldn't botther (you!)
[05:41] <stdin> chuen: you should be able to just remove the repository from adept
[05:42] <chuen> stdin: So just "request removal" ?
[05:43] <hassan2a_> is there anyone ?
[05:43] <chuen> stdin: Oh no, that's the package.
[05:43] <stdin> chuen: no, remove the repository not the package :p
[05:43] <chuen> stdin: LOL - how do I do that?
[05:43] <hassan2a_> who playing to enemy territory ??
[05:43] <BluesKaj> the best amarok source is www.imbrandon.com  in my experience
[05:43] <chuen> BluesKaj: will check it thx.
[05:44] <stdin> chuen: I think it under "View -> Manage Repositories!
[05:44] <stdin> faik 1.4.2 is the latest version that works on dapper
[05:45] <chuen> stdin: O yes, so it is. Time for another break I think :)
[05:45] <stdin> sed 's/faik/afik/'
[05:45] <chuen> stdin: OK, I'll have to brealk the news gently to my son :)
[05:45] <stdin> (still wrong)
[05:45] <chuen> stdin: Or offer to buy him a player that *does* work!
[05:45] <stdin> chuen: ok, cya later
[05:45] <BluesKaj> chuen, it's undre the "Seveas" repos
[05:45] <chuen> stdin: ttyll
[05:46] <chuen> BluesKaj: sorry, wher's that?
[05:46] <stdin> BluesKaj: dose it have all the libs too? as 1.4.4 needs some newer versions than dapper has
[05:47] <BluesKaj> http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[05:47] <stdin> BluesKaj: he's got dapper, not edgy
[05:48] <BluesKaj> bummer , but he should just check the same deb sources under dapper instead
[05:49] <BluesKaj> ok try this one http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/edgy-seveas/all/
[05:49] <stdin> isn't that still a edgy one?
[05:50] <esaym> anyone know how to configure artsd?
[05:50] <BluesKaj> oops he changed the dapper toedgy ..sorry about that :(
[05:50] <chuen> stdin: Is upgrading to Edhy difficult?
[05:52] <stdin> chuen: depends, ever used automatix or easyubuntu on dapper?
[05:52] <BluesKaj> some of these deb/dapper sources might do it,https://lists.snort.org/pipermail/chisug/2006-July/000022.html
[05:52] <chuen> stdin: Not yet. :)
[05:53] <chuen> stdin: I've only had Kubuntu installed about a week.
[05:53] <stdin> chuen: good, then it shouldn't be difficult
[05:53] <BluesKaj> just look for the amarok one
[05:53] <stdin> just follow the guide
[05:53] <iankesterhaney> hello, i have feisty fawn.  the update applet fails after asking if i want to upgrade to a newer version. then crashes
[05:53] <chuen> stdin - where;s the guide?
[05:53] <stdin> BluesKaj: there is a amarok 1.4.4 repo from kubuntu.org, but amarok 1.4.4 depends on some things not in dapper
[05:53] <stdin> !upgrade | chuen
[05:53] <ubotu> chuen: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:54] <iankesterhaney> its adept notifier. is there a new version or is something not set right?
[05:54] <Jucato> iankesterhaney: #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-devel
[05:54] <renato> ?D
[05:54] <renato> =D
[05:54] <iankesterhaney> thanks
[05:54] <stdin> iankesterhaney: feisty isn't stable yet, so it could be a bug
[05:55] <stdin> if you want stable, use dapper or edgy
[05:55] <chuen> stdin: thanks.
[05:55] <fdoving> iankesterhaney: i have that issue too. just hit cancel. and skip fetching of updates.
[05:55] <stdin> chuen: no problem :)
[05:55] <judgen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLcc19mt4eA
[05:55] <judgen> the most beautiful song ever
[05:56] <iankesterhaney> only synaptic and aptitude work, the main gui crashes if i press cancel, anyway i will move to the devel channel
[05:57] <stdin> probably why I haven't seen that issue, I always use synaptic
[05:57] <judgen> nayone know where i can buy tapes/dvds of the hockey played by the cccp in the 80s
[05:57] <fdoving> iankesterhaney: hum.. i cancelled the 'upgrade to new version' wizard.. and skipped fetching updates, and continued as normal.
[05:57] <fdoving> !offtopic | judgen
[05:57] <ubotu> judgen: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:58] <iankesterhaney> the package manager crashes if i say cancel upgrade
[05:58] <judgen> igor larionov is the best player in all of history, followed only by gordie howe, wayne gretsky and vladimir konstantinov
[05:58] <stdin> iankesterhaney: you can always run the update in konsole
[05:58] <Jucato> judgen: please stay on topic
[05:59] <iankesterhaney> apt-get update will fetch the list, it is annoying however to switch out everytime a new verion comes along.
[06:00] <chuen> stdin: That method looks a bit hairy for me! How about if use the 'offical' version (which stil look a bit hairy!) ?
[06:00] <stdin> well, feisty is a development version after all
[06:01] <fdoving> iankesterhaney: the thing is, features are pushed into feisty before the feature freeze.. they don't have to work. they just need to be there.  will be fixed before the release i belive.
[06:01] <iankesterhaney> oh, they say its a known problem, thanks for the advice
[06:01] <stdin> chuen: hold on, let me look at the guide, I haven't actually seen it yet :P
[06:03] <BluesKaj> chuen , I'm still a noob in a lotta ways regarding linux, and I had very little trouble upgrading from Dapper to Edgy
[06:03] <chuen> BlusKaj: Did you use the 'officail' method?
[06:03] <waylandbill> smb4k butchered my /etc/sudoers file. is there a way to fix it?
[06:04] <BluesKaj> chuen ,  I had help of course , but yes the official method by the internet upgrade
[06:05] <waylandbill> I probably have to use the live-cd to fix it.
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: you can boot in single mode (recovery) to fix it from the console.
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: or the live CD.
[06:06] <waylandbill> LeeJunFan: I could do an init 1, or do I have to reboot into single?
[06:06] <stdin> chuen: the "official" was is more for Ubutnu than Kubuntu
[06:07] <stdin> chuen: you won't have update-manager installed
[06:07] <stdin> waylandbill: in edgy+ it's telinit 1
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> waylandbill: you really only need to have 2 lines in there http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1081/
[06:09] <chuen> stdin: Why won't I have it installed?
[06:09] <stdin> chuen: because it's part of synaptic
[06:09] <chuen> stdin: Shoudl I install that?
[06:10] <stdin> chuen: it's the Adept equivalent in Ubuntu (Gnome)
[06:10] <Xera> hoi
[06:10] <stdin> chuen: there's nothing stopping you from installing it I guess, you'll also get a load of GTK libs too
[06:11] <chuen> stdin: OK.
[06:11] <Xera> anyone in here had an error with phpmyadmin where it says in the db list there are tables in a database, but when you goto browse it, it says "no tables found on X"
[06:11] <chuen> stdin: So what do the majority of Kubuntu users do if they need to upgrade to  the latest?
[06:12] <stdin> chuen: change the sources.list (like change all the instances of "dapper" to "edgy")
[06:12] <Xera> :o, and that will let you update to edgy?
[06:12] <chuen> stdin: Is that difficult?
[06:12] <Xera> chuen, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <Xera> change all dapper repos to edgy repos
[06:13] <chuen> Xera: OK.
[06:13] <Xera> then save
[06:13] <stdin> chuen: changing the sources.list isn't, the upgrade *can* be
[06:14] <chuen> stdin: Mmm. I'll have to either plucj up more courage or get a bit more savvy first i think :)
[06:14] <Jucato> !kdesu
[06:14] <sergio_> Hola
[06:14] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:14] <sergio_> Alguien en espaol?
[06:14] <Jucato> !es | sergio_
[06:14] <ubotu> sergio_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:14] <stdin> chuen: like I said, there isn't anything stopping you from installing the update-manager package and doing it the "official" way
[06:14] <sergio_> thanks
[06:15] <chuen> stdin: Maybe that's best. Have you got a HOWTO link?
[06:15] <stdin> chuen: for what, installing update-manager?
[06:16] <chuen> stdin: Sorry, yes.
[06:16] <stdin> chuen: it's in adept
[06:17] <chuen> stdin: Oh, OK, thx.
[06:17] <stdin> ;)
[06:18] <BluesKaj> stdin, you'll get him on edgy yet :)
[06:19] <stdin> BluesKaj: I won't stop before he's on feisty :P
[06:19] <BluesKaj> haha
[06:19] <BluesKaj> stdin, are you enjoying feisty , any probs like networking etc ?
[06:20] <waylandbill> that was just wierd... the invalid opcodes messages went to the beginning of the sudoers file.
[06:20] <chuen> stdin: Ok, I've installed it. Do you know where it;'s located - does it have a gui ? ;-)
[06:20] <stdin> BluesKaj: metworking is fine for me, but I don't have wireless :)
[06:20] <BluesKaj> no, me neither ...hooked up with wifey's windows pc thru samba
[06:21] <BluesKaj> using a router for the network
[06:21] <stdin> chuen: Kmenu -> System -> Update Manager
[06:22] <stdin> BluesKaj: sounds like my home net, feisty works fine (so far) :)
[06:22] <BluesKaj> cool:)
[06:22] <chuen> stdin: Mm, doesn't seem to b there :(
[06:23] <stdin> chuen: it'll probably show after a logout/back in, but you can start it manually
[06:23] <chuen> stdin: I'll reboot brb.
[06:23] <stdin> chuen: just run "update-manager" (from Alt-F2)
[06:23] <stdin> ok :)
[06:26] <sven__> hi
[06:27] <bronze_0_1> hi all, Just installed kubuntu yesterday, first time with apt-get.  I want to turn on SSH but its does not appear in the system services list that pops up from the "system settings" menu.  Does that mean it needs to be installed?
[06:27] <bronze_0_1> actually i want to turn on SSHd  :)
[06:27] <Xera> anyone in here had an error with phpmyadmin where it says in the db list there are tables in a database, but when you goto browse it, it says "no tables found on X"
[06:27] <stdin> bronze_0_1: inststall the package "ssh" that will install the ssh daemon (server)
[06:28] <bronze_0_1> stdin: Much thanks.
[06:28] <stdin> bronze_0_1: no problem :)
[06:30] <YumeNoEien> hello everyone
[06:30] <YumeNoEien> is there someone who can help me? Im new to kubuntu
[06:31] <YumeNoEien> and trying to get it to play mp3
[06:31] <Xera> !restricted formats
[06:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:31] <stdin> YumeNoEien: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[06:31] <YumeNoEien> thank you guys
[06:32] <YumeNoEien> il start reading ^
[06:32] <zorglu_> q. how do i install another language for kubuntu dapper ? french/fr to be more specific
[06:32] <zorglu_> !language
[06:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:32] <stdin> heh
[06:32] <zorglu_> not the proper one :)
[06:33] <waylandbill> Ha... didn't know dapper was so offensive.
[06:33] <stdin> zorglu_: I think you need to install language-support-fr , but you may find better advice in #kubuntu-fr
[06:33] <BluesKaj> !fr
[06:33] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:34] <zorglu_> stdin: there are no wikipage on this ?
[06:34] <stdin> zorglu_: I don't know, have you looked ?
[06:34] <zorglu_> lookin
[06:34] <zorglu_> yep maybe #ubuntu-fr knows it better as they do it a lot :)
[06:35] <fdoving> zorglu_: you need language-pack-kde-fr
[06:35] <bronze_0_1> stdin:  worked to perfection.  thank you again.
[06:35] <stdin> bronze_0_1: no problem :)
[06:36] <zorglu_> mouaoua to talk on #ubuntu-fr i think in english and then translate in french :)
[06:36] <Murrlin> good morning
[06:36] <zorglu_> fdoving: ok
[06:36] <Murrlin> I wonder if this is the right place to ask about a command absence?
[06:37] <Murrlin> there have been two commands I don't seem to have
[06:37] <Murrlin> one is "lndir"
[06:37] <fdoving> that's in the 'xutils-dev' package.
[06:37] <Murrlin> is this distro-specific? or even system (i.e. linux, unix, bsd, et al) specific?
[06:38] <fdoving> it's distro specific what distros include, yes.
[06:38] <Murrlin> oh? hmm ok
[06:38] <bronze_0_1> because the "administrator mode" button appears to be broken on my Kubuntu install (Is this true for most?)  i had to ope na second X-Windows display (:1) as root to change my system setting (on Ctrl-ALT-F6).  Problem is I can't seem to get back to the X-Windows display on that virtual terminal/console.  When I go to it all I see is a plain text Virtua ltermina with no prompt and some tex tthat is coming from an X windows display
[06:38] <bronze_0_1>  manager (I think)  Anyone know What I do to get the :1 X display back?
[06:38] <kolkoklop> ,
[06:39] <stdin> bronze_0_1: why didn't you just run "kdesu systemsettings" ?
[06:39] <BluesKaj> cntrl+alt+F7
[06:40] <bronze_0_1> stdin, Didn't know about it.  :)  been a mainly command line user for a loong time. Nat familiar yet with the cool KDE non-gui commands.
[06:40] <stdin> isn't vt7 the normal place for :0 ?
[06:40] <YumeNoEien> aww man,.. hey the apt-get command only works when youe comp is online right?
[06:40] <bronze_0_1> BluesKaj:  Thank you, but that gets me to :0. I opend :1 on Ctrl-ALt-F6, but going there now shows only the text mode
[06:41] <bronze_0_1> stdin: yes. thats where my :0 is.
[06:41] <BluesKaj> sorry bronze_0_1 :(
[06:41] <bronze_0_1> BluesKaj: Its the thought that counts. Thank you.
[06:42] <Murrlin> not in xutils-dev (I seem not to even have that available)
[06:42] <stdin> bronze_0_1: if you run the command to start an X session on vt6 the X session will run on vt8 as :0 starts
[06:42] <stdin> *on vt7
[06:42] <bronze_0_1> aha!  "\Dawn breaks over marblehead"
[06:42] <YumeNoEien> could someone tell me how to get libxine-extracodecs on my laptop without it having an internet connection?
[06:43] <stdin> YumeNoEien: you have to download it on another computer, then transfir it to the laptop
[06:43] <matthew> !JAVA
[06:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:43] <bronze_0_1> stdin: Yup ctrl-alt-F8 got me to :1.  And i thought I had tried that....
[06:43] <YumeNoEien> k
[06:43] <bronze_0_1> heh.
[06:43] <YumeNoEien> do do i then just
[06:43] <YumeNoEien> right click install on it?
[06:43] <YumeNoEien> or does it require another command in the terminal?
[06:43] <stdin> YumeNoEien: yes, that will work
[06:43] <YumeNoEien> thank you stdin
[06:44] <YumeNoEien> :)
[06:44] <stdin> :)
[06:44] <matthew> !spirewire
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spirewire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <matthew> hmm whats the limewire version for linux?
[06:45] <stdin> !limewire
[06:45] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[06:45] <KR-data> ok, I'm close to getting one of my friens to change to Linux, since KDE is more to her taste than Gnome I decided to let her use kubuntu. Now the question comes, what good Windows Media Player-like media player in kubuntu?
[06:45] <matthew> ahh frostwire, ty :D
[06:45] <stdin> bronze_0_1: anyway, just remember if you want to start a GUI app (like systemsettings) just use "kdesu" before it
[06:45] <Murrlin> xmms; mplayer; or kaffiene
[06:46] <matthew> !pager
[06:46] <KR-data> Murrlin: xmms and mplayer is not Windows Media Player-like
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <Murrlin> <- recent kubuntu convert
[06:46] <Murrlin> oh, sorry, misunderstood the question somewhat
[06:46] <KR-data> Murrlin: btw. if you use xmms you should consider the change to Audacious, since it seems that xmms is dead
[06:46] <Murrlin> then I'd say kaffiene or kmplayer
[06:46] <Murrlin> audacious?
[06:47] <Murrlin> interesting. I'll have to try this today
[06:47] <KR-data> Murrlin: Gentoo have already excluded xmms from their package manage, and the others will probably follow in time
[06:47] <Murrlin> gosh.
[06:48] <zorglu_> q. i just created a second user on my kubuntu install, i do kdesu myprog but the usual root password doesnt work... for kdesu one need to put the user password ?
[06:48] <KR-data> Murrlin: well atm xmms is superior in some few areas still, but in around two months I expect Audacious to be better n any way possible
[06:48] <stdin> zorglu_: you need to add the use to the "adm" group
[06:48] <stdin> *user
[06:48] <KR-data> Murrlin: but well I'll have a look at kmplayer and kaffiene, thanks for the advice :)
[06:49] <stdin> zorglu_: and root is disabled in kubuntu, you only use the users password
[06:49] <BluesKaj> streamtuner and some other network audostreaming apps still use xmms as the playback engine ...seems to work ok
[06:49] <zorglu_> stdin: well in my case there is a password
[06:49] <zorglu_> but not having the second user being able to be root is good
[06:49] <zorglu_> just to bad that kdesu doesnt accept the root password :)
[06:50] <stdin> zorglu_: sudo is more secure than root
[06:50] <zorglu_> :) i guess ubuntu people agree with you :)
[06:50] <stdin> zorglu_: add the user to the "adm" group, and they will be able to use kdesu (or sudo)
[06:51] <fdoving> zorglu_: kdesu can accept the root password.
[06:51] <matthew> !frostwire
[06:51] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:51] <zorglu_> fdoving: well it didnt.
[06:51] <fdoving> zorglu_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FrodeDoeving/Tips  - Nr. 5.
[06:51] <KR-data> fdoving stdin zorglu_: what's the discussion?
[06:51] <zorglu_> but it is not a real problem, i dont really need this
[06:52] <zorglu_> just wanted to be sure my second user cant be root
[06:52] <stdin> zorglu_: I told you how to do it
[06:52] <BluesKaj> Frostwire is ok if ya want titles that have absolutely nothing to do with yer search ...it sucks IMO
[06:52] <fdoving> stdin: i belive it's the admin group, not adm.
[06:52] <zorglu_> about the language support, there is a menu for that :) 'system->language support'
[06:53] <stdin> fdoving: nope, it's adm, look at your sudoers file and see :)
[06:53] <matthew> how long does it take to install java? my install process has been at 30% for like 5mins now :(
[06:53] <fdoving> stdin: just did. %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:53] <stdin> matthew: you can't with adept, sorry :)
[06:54] <zorglu_> matthew: it is asking for a confirmation somewhere, asking you to say 'yes i agree with the java license'
[06:54] <stdin> fdoving: hmm, for some reason it's adm in mine?
[06:54] <matthew> i've minimized everything, i dont see any yes no box
[06:54] <itay> Hi all, I wonder - does k3b close the whole dvd disc after burning an ISO image ?
[06:55] <itay> stdin: what a name !! lol
[06:55] <stdin> matthew: like I said, you can't in adept, if you click the "Show more" button (or something to that effect) you'll see it asking you to accept a licence, but you can't in adept, it's a known issue, you have to do it from kinsole
[06:56] <stdin> konsole, not kinsole :p
[06:56] <matthew> oh ok,
[06:56] <matthew> what command do i type?
[06:57] <stdin> matthew: you need to close adept first
[06:57] <matthew> yes, its done
[06:57] <stdin> matthew: then run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[06:58] <stdin> itay: about your k3b question, k3b doesn't actually do the burning, it's normally done with growisofs (for DVDs)
[06:59] <itay> ok
[06:59] <matthew> ok i got this message: dpkg: status database is locked by another process. i have quit adept
[06:59] <Xera> soooo.. nobody has ever had something like this in phpmyadmin
[06:59] <Xera>  news (2)
[06:59] <Xera> No tables found in database
[06:59] <Xera> it says there's 2 tables, but then says there's none
[06:59] <itay> so does growisofs close the disc or only the session ?
[06:59] <stdin> matthew: sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:00] <Xera> NOBODY at all? :'(
[07:01] <stdin> itay: I think it depends on what type of disk, not sure but, I think + and - are treated differently, but I'm sure there is also a setting somewhere for it too, in k3b and growisofs
[07:01] <stdin> Xera: try asking in #ubuntu or ##php
[07:01] <itay> ok whatever, thanks,  stdin !
[07:02] <Xera> stdin, meh, k
[07:02] <matthew> thanks, i got these command after i typed that in:
[07:02] <matthew> Setting up libltdl3 (1.5.22-4) ...
[07:02] <matthew> Setting up odbcinst1debian1 (2.2.11-13) ...
[07:02] <matthew> Setting up unixodbc (2.2.11-13)
[07:03] <matthew> is that done?
[07:03] <stdin> matthew: looks like it worked, you can check to see if it's installed in adept
[07:04] <matthew> !frostwire
[07:04] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> i have frostwire too
[07:05] <matthew> cool how diffrent is that from limewire?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> I got frost on the yard this morning
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> my heaters too hot lol
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> i tried to be next to it
[07:05] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: lol ^^
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> so it'd feel like sauna
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> but then it got burning hot
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> so i backed off
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> =)
[07:06] <andreasw> is the gnutella network safe?
[07:06] <Balsamic_Chicken> i used it, my computer still works, so i don't really know tho =(
[07:06] <BluesKaj> are you kidding , andreasw ? :)
[07:06] <cloakable> Pretty safe
[07:06] <Tm_T> Dunno but most computer stores are safe.
[07:06] <Balsamic_Chicken> store?
[07:06] <stdin> depends what you mean by "safe"
[07:06] <cloakable> andreasw: I wouldn't use it on a windows computer :P
[07:06] <scimone> hi
[07:07] <matthew> adept is not responding, after i typed in password it wont open up
[07:07] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: Store as a shop.
[07:07] <matthew> brb
[07:07] <andreasw> I feel saver with Usenet at the moment
[07:08] <zorglu_> q. i want to prevent a given user from becoming root/sudo, is there a doc about that ?
[07:08] <stdin> matthew: try the fuser command again "sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> Tm_T gnutella is a store?
[07:08] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: nope, I wasn't saying that.
[07:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> kk
[07:08] <stdin> zorglu_: because they have to either be in the admin group, or in the /etc/sudoers file
[07:09] <fignew> gnutella is unsafe
[07:09] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: If you're looking safe way to get apps/games/whatever, buying is always good option.
[07:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> Tm_T were u telling him to actually go buy legit copies of stuff? shame on u lol just kidding
[07:09] <BluesKaj> gnutella is full of unsafe stuff
[07:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> but then u could get ripped off
[07:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> in stores =)
[07:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> then get robbed
[07:09] <andreasw> It's funny if I try to download frostwire in Konqueror it opens Kate and want to display the deb in there
[07:09] <cloakable> BluesKaj: For windows, aye :)
[07:09] <juano> im having a weird issue, one of my folders in ntfs partition sometimes is there and sometimes it wont appear, dunno why, btw, its the only folder which i have a link to it on the desktop, dunno if that has to do with it, if anyone knows about this or has some kind of idea that would be helpful thanks, this wouldnt happen on gnome
[07:09] <fignew> you could get in a car crash on the way to the store!
[07:09] <zorglu_> stdin: hmm ok i will look, so no doc i guess ?
[07:09] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: I do buy stuff, hmm, actually I don't have anything "stolen" installed IIRC.
[07:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw right click the link
[07:10] <stdin> !sudo | zorglu_
[07:10] <ubotu> zorglu_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:10] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: than it wants to download a .php file
[07:10] <BluesKaj> yep, but just a caution about gnutella , cloakable
[07:10] <stdin> there you go, zorglu_
[07:10] <zorglu_> stdin: thanks
[07:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw let me see the link, someone had the same question b4 and i think we had it figured out
[07:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's cloakable
[07:11] <andreasw> http://www.frostwire.com/download.php?file=http://fuse.frostwire.com/frostwire/4.13.1/frostwire-4.13.1.4.i586.deb
[07:11] <matthew> !frostwire
[07:11] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:11] <andreasw> I don#t understand why konqueror opens a .deb file in kate
[07:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw it started downloading right away
[07:12] <cloakable> BluesKaj: Warning?
[07:12] <juano> im having a weird issue, one of my folders in ntfs partition sometimes is there and sometimes it wont appear, dunno why, btw, its the only folder which i have a link to it on the desktop, dunno if that has to do with it, if anyone knows about this or has some kind of idea that would be helpful thanks, this wouldnt happen on gnome
[07:12] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: here it doesn't I have Kubuntu Edgy (fresh installation)
[07:12] <YumeNoEien> i have another multimedia problem at hand: Kaffeine can play vcd's, but im not getting sound
[07:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw plus i'd need the link that contains the link u press to download
[07:12] <andreasw> http://www.frostwire.com/
[07:13] <andreasw> then I clicked on the button and copied the address
[07:13] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw where's the download button on that page
[07:13] <Balsamic_Chicken> frostwire.com
[07:13] <BluesKaj> cloakable, there are files on gnutella which if burned to disc and played on awindows machine can cause alot of damage
[07:13] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: the "Ubuntu/Debian" link
[07:14] <andreasw> Ubuntu/Debian
[07:14] <YumeNoEien> can someone help me? I not getting sound when i play a vcd with kaffeine
[07:14] <andreasw> on the left
[07:14] <Balsamic_Chicken> ty
[07:14] <Balsamic_Chicken> one sec
[07:15] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw ok so right click and do open with firefox browser, or maybe in ur case, open with konquere browser
[07:15] <cloakable> BluesKaj: Cool, where do I get them? j/k
[07:15] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw just use firefox if u have it =), cuz it'd try open in new broswer, and that's when it starts downloading
[07:15] <stdin> andreasw, Balsamic_Chicken: ahh, I see why it opens in kate
[07:15] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: well it begins downloading without asking where to safe
[07:16] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw it saves to desktop if it's in firefox
[07:16] <andreasw> stdin: And why?
[07:16] <BluesKaj> cloakable, :)
[07:16] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: I don't like Firefox ^^
[07:16] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw and u can configure that in firefox settings
[07:16] <stdin> andreasw, Balsamic_Chicken: the server is sending the type as "Content-Type: text/plain" no "Content-Type: application/x-deb"
[07:16] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw okies =)
[07:16] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin o haha =)
[07:16] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin i actually understood that lol =) cuz i remembered when i was doing webpage crap b4
[07:17] <cloakable> BluesKaj: I can get software on gnutella that can cause an ibm-compatible computer terminal damage. It's called Windows. It does... horrible things to your computer.
[07:17] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw did it work now?
[07:18] <andreasw> stdin: I think because you can download different file types with the download.php script so they don't want to set a specific Content-Type
[07:18] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: Later I will install Firefox but I really want to use Konqueror and maybe solve this problem so I can use Konqueror to download that file
[07:18] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw cool, were u able to download the file just now tho
[07:18] <YumeNoEien> ><, thats it,.. im gonna try and see if i can get the laptop online. Thank for the help sofar guys, Il be back ^^ (hopefully using konsole)
[07:19] <andreasw> stdin: Can I change the settings so konqueror does ignore the Content Type and only looks at the extension?
[07:19] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: no I wasn't.
[07:19] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw u might be able to do wget from command line? i'm not too sure tho
[07:19] <Balsamic_Chicken> !wget
[07:19] <ubotu> wget: retrieves files from the web. In component main, is standard. Version 1.10.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 226 kB, installed size 1952 kB
[07:20] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: yes wget works
[07:20] <andreasw> Balsamic_Chicken: thank you.
[07:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> sudo wget http://www.frostwire.com/download.php?file=http://www.peercommons.com/frostwire/4.13.1/frostwire-4.13.1.4.i586.deb
[07:20] <stdin> andreasw: no, not that I know of, you can only do that in file browsing mode, not web browsing mode
[07:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> andreasw o cool np
[07:20] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: you don't need sudo for wget :p
[07:20] <andreasw> stdin: hmm so is this a konqueror bug or a problem of the webmaster?
[07:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> kk =)
[07:21] <andreasw> yes I downloaded it without sudo ^^
[07:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool, saved 2 seconds hehe, just kidding
[07:21] <andreasw> only use sudo if it is necessary
[07:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool, didn't know b4
[07:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> =)
[07:21] <stdin> andreasw: it's to do with the website, all browsers should look at the "ContentType" from the server to get the type
[07:21] <mefisto__> question about orphaned packages: is there a chance that removing an orphaned package can break something? or is it completely safe to uninstall orphaned packages? (I'm getting the orphaned list using synaptic)
[07:22] <andreasw> stdin: yes but thats the problem with these generic download scripts they return a wide range of different file types
[07:22] <stdin> andreasw: you could name an .html file .poop, but as long as the content type says "text/html" it will display properly :P
[07:23] <andreasw> stdin: but which type do you use if you don't know which file type will be returned ^^
[07:23] <andreasw> stdin: because the download.php also returns .rpm .tar.gz and so on
[07:24] <stdin> andreasw: the server should know, or they could code the php script better to send the right type
[07:25] <drarem> weird, when i start up irc on this pc with ubuntu, i notice on my pc it gets some sort of blocked IP about some proxyscan or something, what does that mean?
[07:25] <drarem> sorry on the other windows networked pc
[07:25] <drarem> it did it twice, i don't think it was coincidence
[07:25] <stdin> drarem: that's normal, freenode scans your PC for an open proxy
[07:26] <drarem> ok cool
[07:26] <drarem> it must do it intermittently, i get a few of those everyday when this irc is pulled up
[07:28] <drarem> what is the command to show -rwx- permissions
[07:28] <cloakable> drarem: on gui or cli?
[07:28] <drarem> terminal
[07:29] <cloakable> ls -l
[07:29] <stdin> drarem: ls -l
[07:29] <drarem> thanks
[07:29] <cloakable> :)
[07:29] <cloakable> stdin: I'll let you have the next question :)
[07:30] <drarem> nice
[07:30] <stdin> cloakable: i'll see what the question it first, if I don't like it, you can have it :P
[07:30] <mefisto__> question about orphaned packages: is there a chance that removing an orphaned package can break something? or is it completely safe to uninstall orphaned packages? (I'm getting the orphaned list using synaptic)
[07:30] <stdin> cloakable: you have that one :P
[07:31] <drarem> ok.. what does that d stand for..   drwxr--
[07:31] <Dr_willis> directory
[07:31] <drarem> doh
[07:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:31] <Dr_willis> notice that /dev/zero has -->  crw-rw-rw- 1 root   root      1,    5 Jan 10 12:58 zero
[07:31] <cloakable> mefisto__: It's safe to remove them. Synaptic will warn you if you try something that will break something :)
[07:31] <Dr_willis> c means... somthing else.. i forget. :)
[07:32] <stdin> Dr_willis: Charactor device :)
[07:32] <stdin> or something like
[07:32] <cloakable> stdin: Yep,and you beat me :P
[07:32] <mefisto__> thanks cloakable
[07:32] <Dr_willis> 'everything is a file' even  directories. :)
[07:32] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx  1 willis willis   25 2006-12-25 14:58 games -> /media/hdg1/willis/games/
[07:33] <Dr_willis> l = link  it seems
[07:33] <cloakable> mefisto__: You can also use sudo apt-get autoremove in the terminal
[07:33] <stdin> mefisto__: "orphaned" usually means that they are packages that no others depend on, so it should be safe to remove them, but if you're unsure, it's best to leave them alone
[07:34] <cloakable> stdin: You forget that the apt system willl tell if you're about to do something to break your system :)
[07:34] <stdin> Dr_willis: yep, l = link, do you know what 'b' means? :P : brw-rw---- 1 root root 3, 1 2006-12-24 14:24 /dev/hda1
[07:34] <cloakable> stdin: block
[07:34] <mefisto__> stdin: so it could be that no packages depend on them, but are still being used somehow?
[07:34] <stdin> cloakable: I know what it it, I was seeing if Dr_willis did :P
[07:34] <cloakable> Heh
[07:35] <blacksmurf> hello
[07:35] <stdin> mefisto__: cloakable seems to know the answer to that
[07:35] <blacksmurf> i have a problem in kubuntu can you please help me?
[07:35] <stdin> !ask
[07:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:35] <cloakable> mefisto__: Not if it's marked 'orphaned'
[07:35] <blacksmurf> in installation of kubuntu 6.10 it ask me for a password
[07:36] <stdin> cloakable: I use aptitude, so I don't see "orphaned" :P
[07:36] <blacksmurf> i download this version from kubuntu.com
[07:36] <blacksmurf> so?
[07:36] <stdin> blacksmurf: yes?
[07:37] <stdin> what's the question ?
[07:37] <blacksmurf> what is the password for the livecd
[07:37] <drarem> if i were to create a user directory that only the user could access, how could I log in as that user to see it - or would root access be able to?
[07:37] <cloakable> stdin: use sudo apt-get autoremove to remove orphaned packages :P
[07:37] <blacksmurf> it ask me for a password
[07:37] <stdin> blacksmurf: there isn't one, where is it asking for a password?
[07:37] <blacksmurf> i mean in the install progress
[07:37] <blacksmurf> i dont install it by far
[07:38] <stdin> blacksmurf: you choose you own password
[07:38] <blacksmurf> i dont have similiar problem in older version
[07:38] <Dr_willis> BruHaHa!
[07:38] <Dr_willis> B=Bong
[07:38] <stdin> blacksmurf: it's the password you will use to log in
[07:38] <blacksmurf> i put a password but it said to me wrong password
[07:39] <blacksmurf> it is from livedvd no install yet
[07:39] <mario_> somebody talks italian?
[07:39] <stdin> !it | mario_
[07:39] <ubotu> mario_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:40] <stdin> blacksmurf: where is it asking for a password exactly ?
[07:41] <blacksmurf> i boot in the livedvd and it just ask me for password
[07:41] <mefisto__> more questions about orphans: why are there more new orphans listed after removing all of them?
[07:41] <blacksmurf> is there any way to download a wrong version or something?
[07:41] <stdin> blacksmurf: not if you got it from kubuntu.org
[07:41] <blacksmurf> :(
[07:42] <leafw> any good places to check for hardware compatibility with linux in general and ubuntu in particular?
[07:42] <blacksmurf> i download it from torrent (but i download the torrent from kubuntu.org)
[07:42] <stdin> blacksmurf: can you make a screenshot and post it to http://imageshack.us/
[07:43] <blacksmurf> ok i will try when i go to my home, but can you figure what is happend to my computer?
[07:43] <blacksmurf> :()
[07:44] <stdin> blacksmurf: it shouldn't ask for a password on the live CD, not until you install it
[07:44] <blacksmurf> i know mate i just dont know what happend ?
[07:44] <blacksmurf> you think i sould try to download again?
[07:45] <stdin> blacksmurf: did you check the file after you downloaded it ?
[07:45] <blacksmurf> yes
[07:45] <stdin> with md5sum ?
[07:45] <blacksmurf> it is the same size
[07:45] <blacksmurf> yes and it said that is correct
[07:46] <stdin> blacksmurf: then the file is ok, what version of the live cd is it?
[07:46] <blacksmurf> dvd
[07:46] <blacksmurf> 6.10
[07:47] <BluesKaj> !feisty
[07:47] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:47] <stdin> well, it shouldn't ask for a password, as far as I know there isn't a default pasword on the live cd/dvd
[07:48] <blacksmurf> ok thank you lad i will download again
[07:48] <extern> I cant get restricted formats to work. I did everything that said on the guide for it, but it complained about not being able to find gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[07:48] <blacksmurf> thanx you all for your help
[07:48] <blacksmurf> bye
[07:48] <stdin> bye
[07:49] <mefisto__> one more question about orphans: why are there more new orphans listed after removing all of them?
[07:49] <stdin> extern: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[07:49] <extern> 6.10
[07:50] <stdin> extern: that package is in the universe repository, so make sure you have that enabled
[07:50] <extern> I have all of them enabled :S
[07:50] <stdin> !gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[07:50] <ubotu> gstreamer0.10-pitfdll: GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1.1+cvs20060515-1 (edgy), package size 79 kB, installed size 260 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:50] <stdin> well it's there, in universe
[07:51] <stdin> extern: can you post your /etc/sources.list file on pastebin?
[07:52] <extern> ok
[07:53] <extern> its rather messed up, because I tried to get that universe rep to work
[07:53] <stdin> extern: if it's messed up, I'll fix it and post it back
[07:54] <extern> http://paste.uni.cc/12649
[07:54] <extern> it works, but I put main restricted universe multiverse to all the entries
[07:55] <chuen> stdin: (10 hours later ....) I upgraded!
[07:55] <stdin> chuen: yeah, takes a while :P
[07:55] <stdin> extern: did you update adept after changing it ?
[07:56] <extern> yes
[07:56] <extern> a lot of times
[07:56] <extern> I done sudo apt-get update
[07:56] <extern> I guess it does the same thing :P
[07:56] <stdin> extern: what dose "apt-cache search gstreamer0.10-pitfdll" show?
[07:57] <stamen> hi
[07:57] <extern> totally nothing
[07:57] <stamen> did somebody know a program for CD/DVD catalogue
[07:57] <extern> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[07:57] <metellius> does anyone know of a handy way to convert filenames to utf8? preferably a tool with gui?
[07:57] <stamen> which is working good, and easy to instal
[07:58] <drarem> if I add another user, that one will get his own HOME directory?
[07:58] <extern> this one when doing apt-get install gstreamer........
[07:58] <stdin> drarem: yes
[07:59] <stdin> extern: comment out (or remove) "deb http://lt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe" and "deb-src http://lt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe", don't need universe twice
[08:01] <extern> it still cant find it
[08:01] <stdin> extern: line 22 and 23
[08:02] <extern> I commented it
[08:02] <extern> and apt-get updated
[08:02] <stdin> extern: so you put a "#" bedore them ?
[08:02] <extern> I meant that apt-get cant find that gstermaer package
[08:02] <extern> yes
[08:02] <stdin> can you find the package now?
[08:02] <extern> no
[08:03] <extern> I already said that 2 times :)
[08:03] <stdin> no, not after I told you to comment them out
[08:04] <extern> sorry, didnt understand what you mean
[08:05] <extern> and why isnt single  (I think its called an asterisk) working on my keyboard
[08:05] <extern> where can I change my keyboard layout?
[08:07] <stdin> extern: System Settings -> Regional & Language
[08:07] <payton> can anyone tell me how to install a Kommander extension?
[08:07] <cloakable> payton: click on it? o.o
[08:08] <payton> Sorry, but that doesn't do work, it opens in Kate.
[08:08] <extern> thanks
[08:08] <stdin> extern: use this as your sources.list http://paste.uni.cc/12652
[08:10] <extern> bah, it when updating it downloaded some lists
[08:10] <extern> but it still can't find it :S
[08:10] <extern> Fetched 6118kB in 39s (155kB/s)
[08:10] <extern> Reading package lists... Done
[08:10] <extern> giedrius@clt-84-32-250-29:~$ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[08:10] <extern> Reading package lists... Done
[08:10] <extern> Building dependency tree
[08:10] <extern> Reading state information... Done
[08:10] <extern> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[08:12] <stamen> !backup
[08:12] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:12] <extern> in the adept manager, there are a lot of other gstreamer packages, but not that one
[08:13] <stdin> extern: it should be there...
[08:13] <stdin> extern: you can just download it, and install it
[08:13] <extern> from all the packages that was listed in the guide, only that one is missing :S
[08:13] <stdin> extern: http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gstreamer0.10-pitfdll/gstreamer0.10-pitfdll_0.9.1.1+cvs20060515-1_i386.deb
[08:15] <stdin> extern: download that, then when it's downloaded, right click it, choose Kubuntu Package Manager -> Install Package
[08:15] <extern> my architecture is amd64 :P
[08:15] <pip`> hey guys what do i do if i cant remember my username OR pw ??
[08:15] <stdin> extern: ahh
[08:15] <stdin> extern: should have asked that
[08:16] <extern> np
[08:16] <pip`> its been several month since i ran my kubuntu drive
[08:16] <stdin> extern: it's not available for amd64
[08:16] <chuen> stdin: I'll probably leave this for tomorrow's fun but now, the most recet install of amarok is 1.4.3
[08:16] <extern> :O
[08:17] <chuen> Now that I've upgraded the OS, what's the best plan for installing 1.4.4?
[08:17] <stdin> pip`: you need to use the live CD to check your usename and password
[08:17] <stdin> chuen: the most recent is 1.4.4
[08:17] <extern> stdin, how can I get restricted formats to work then?
[08:17] <extern> I had them working on ubuntu 64bit without any problem
[08:17] <leafw> ati or nvidia? I have to setup a big pc ...
[08:18] <leafw> I assume ati is better supported ?
[08:18] <stdin> extern: all it means it that windows formats wont work, like wmv and wma
[08:18] <stdin> extern: you can still use mp3s
[08:18] <Tm_T> leafw: Eh, nVidia has better propietary support.
[08:18] <chuen> stdin: It says 1.4.3 here :) (with no upgrade showing)
[08:18] <Tm_T> Far better IIRC
[08:18] <extern> but amarok says that it can't play it
[08:18] <pip`> stdin, ok i just put in an Edgy 6.10 cd, now how do i get my old pw etc ?
[08:18] <extern> :S
[08:19] <pip`> dont know if its live or not
[08:19] <stdin> chuen: yes, but there is a 1.4.4 repo from kubuntu.org
[08:20] <pip`> ?
[08:20] <stdin> pip`: ok, you need to open /etc/passwd and look for a line with ":x:1000:1000:" in it
[08:20] <pip`> *huggies*
[08:20] <chuen> stdin: Ah. Can you remind me of the link pls (again!)
[08:20] <pip`> ok
[08:21] <pip`> how do i open /etc/passwd ?
[08:21] <stdin> chuen: the repo is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ edgy main" add it to adept
[08:21] <stdin> pip`: use kate
[08:22] <pip`> kate ? ok
[08:22] <stamen> !katalog
[08:22] <ubotu> katalog: CD organizer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 132 kB, installed size 532 kB
[08:22] <stdin> pip`: Kmenu -> Utilities -> kate
[08:23] <extern> when trying to play wav file, amarok says: Error loading media. There is no available codec, but vlc media player can play all the files (though I suspect that it may have custom codecs for each file)
[08:24] <stdin> extern: wav files don't use codecs, they are raw audio
[08:24] <extern> but amarok can't play them :S
[08:24] <extern> I'm going to restart my computer, maybe that will help
[08:25] <pip`> ok im in kate now... do i use 'find' to find the word 'etc' or ?
[08:25] <killermach_> I click Places -> Network Servers -> Workgroup -> Server -> Share and I cannot create a folder, my ubuntu login/pass is the same as the credentials on the SMB server, where do I need to configure this??
[08:25] <stdin> pip`: you can, just search for "1000:1000"
[08:26] <pip`> oh ok
[08:26] <chuen> stdin: Great! Have a good night shift!
[08:26] <Bluedog> hey guys
[08:26] <chuen> stdin: I'll no doubt have more q's tomorrow ;-)
[08:26] <Bluedog> using ubuntu livecd atm but cant boot it, wondering if kubuntu will help?
[08:26] <Bluedog> i think its an issue with gnome..
[08:26] <pip`> 1000:1000 not found !
[08:26] <stdin> chuen: I'll probably be here when I'm at work too :p
[08:26] <stdin> killermach_: that's to do with the server running samba
[08:27] <Bluedog> loads fine, but stalls with corruption as soon as gnome loading screen appears
[08:27] <stdin> pip`: is there any line wit 1000 on it?
[08:27] <chuen> stdin: I haven't got the stamina to stay up late any more ;-)
[08:27] <Bluedog> got a 7800GT which seems to be an issue, looking around
[08:27] <chuen> ttyl
[08:27] <stdin> chuen: I'll nap at work :P
[08:27] <extern> yay, it works now!
[08:27] <pip`> search string '1000:1000' not found
[08:28] <stdin> pip`: just search for "1000"
[08:28] <pip`> ok
[08:28] <pip`> not found either
[08:28] <pip`> hmm
[08:28] <pip`> not sure if my cd is live
[08:28] <Bluedog> any ideas any one? :D
[08:28] <stdin> pip`: i'm stuped, sorry :p
[08:29] <stdin> pip`: you need to mount your partition first
[08:29] <BluesKaj> err ..not live /
[08:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[08:29] <pip`> ok um how
[08:29] <pip`> :}
[08:29] <stdin> Bluedog: maybe, you can always use the alternate installer, it's a text installer
[08:30] <stdin> pip`: open konsole (Kmenu -> System -> Konsole)
[08:30] <pip`> ahh ok
[08:30] <Bluedog> thats the thing though, i dont want to mess with my drives if im not sure k/ubuntu will work..
[08:30] <Bluedog> is there a way to run the livecd without X?
[08:31] <stdin> Bluedog: if it's not running X, then how do you expect to see if it works?
[08:31] <Bluedog> guess you have a point, text will obviously work
[08:32] <Bluedog> damn :P
[08:32] <BluesKaj> see if ctrl+alt+F1 gives you a Terminal
[08:32] <Bluedog> guess im gonna just have to go ahead with a full install
[08:32] <BluesKaj> or use the term on the live cd
[08:32] <stdin> pip` ?
[08:33] <pip`> ok im in konsole
[08:33] <pip`> but i dont see 'mount' command
[08:33] <pip`> anywher
[08:33] <pip`> not even in the konsole 'help'
[08:33] <stdin> pip`: you have to type it, but lets not get ahead of our selfs
[08:34] <pip`> ahh
[08:34] <Bluedog> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=262161&highlight=7800+gt
[08:34] <Bluedog> hmm
[08:34] <Bluedog> interesting
[08:34] <Bluedog> need to do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, then edit xorg.conf
[08:34] <stdin> pip`: what's the output of "sudo fdisk -l" post it to pastebin
[08:34] <Bluedog> can you do this on a livecd?
[08:34] <stdin> !pastebin | pip`
[08:34] <ubotu> pip`: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:35] <itschin> is there anyone knowledgable about sound in kubuntu?
[08:35] <extern> Bluedog: you can
[08:35] <extern> I had similar problems with ati
[08:35] <Bluedog> really
[08:35] <pip`> it just gives me a >
[08:35] <Bluedog> how can i get up a terminal to run the sudo command, then edit xorg?
[08:35] <Bluedog> :D
[08:36] <pip`> stdin, it just gives me a >
[08:36] <extern> it shows you an error that it can't start X server, and then it leaves you in terminal
[08:36] <extern> :P
[08:36] <pip`> ahh ok
[08:36] <stdin> pip`: don't put it in quotes, press Ctrl-C to go back
[08:36] <extern> if you'll have any more problems, you can set the driver to vesa
[08:36] <pip`> ok, i didnt use quotes
[08:36] <pip`> i typed in sudo fdisk -|
[08:36] <Bluedog> prob is its a live cd
[08:36] <extern> it will start xserver, so you'll be able to browse the internet conveniently
[08:36] <extern> I did all this on a live cd :P
[08:37] <stdin> pip`: not | l (lowercase L)
[08:37] <Bluedog> how did you stop it launching gnome?
[08:37] <karmikaze> anyone here convert videos for psp??
[08:37] <Bluedog> as soon as gnome tries to launch, the whole system locks
[08:37] <extern> it stoped it self
[08:37] <Bluedog> damn :/
[08:37] <pip`> ahh ok
[08:37] <extern> I don't know
[08:37] <Bluedog> i get corruption and a freeze
[08:37] <extern> for me it showed an error
[08:37] <extern> oh
[08:37] <extern> that's lame :P
[08:37] <Bluedog> yeah hehe
[08:37] <extern> maybe you can press ctrl+alt+f1
[08:37] <extern> or f2
[08:38] <LameBMX> huh what .. someone say my name
[08:38] <Bluedog> keyboard is unresponsive too
[08:38] <Bluedog> no caps lock, or anything
[08:38] <Bluedog> lights die :P
[08:38] <extern> oh, I can't help you then :(
[08:38] <pip`> ok, it says dev/hda1,2,3
[08:38] <Bluedog> if i could start without x, run the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, edit xorg.conf, THEN start x, it would be ok surely
[08:38] <Bluedog> hmm :D
[08:38] <Bluedog> thanks anyway extern
[08:38] <Bluedog> wonder if u can start it with no x
[08:38] <stdin> pip`: yes, but post it on pastebin, so I can see
[08:39] <karmikaze> psp anyone?
[08:39] <Tox> is it possible to place top pannel in kde ?
[08:39] <karmikaze> tox yea
[08:39] <pip`> stdin, will i be able to access the internet on my live kubuntu box u think ?
[08:39] <extern> if I remember right, the alternate install cd allows you to install ubuntu and then it leaves you in a terminal, so you can config your system before restarting into it
[08:39] <stdin> Bluedog: you could try adding "single" to the boot options, that wouldn't start X
[08:39] <Bluedog> thanks :)
[08:39] <LameBMX> Bluedog, recovery option in boot menu should start you at a root terminal
[08:39] <karmikaze> Tox: grab the foot of your panel and drag it to the top of the screen
[08:39] <Tox> i mean empty pannel with no menus
[08:39] <stdin> pip`: what connection do you have on it?
[08:39] <karmikaze> erm
[08:40] <Tox> extra pannel  lol
[08:40] <karmikaze> why
[08:40] <Bluedog> not sure i have that option?
[08:40] <willys_fueguino> Hello I need some help.
[08:40] <karmikaze> to emulate gaynome?
[08:40] <Bluedog> so if i run as single, how do i manually start gnome/x when its ready?
[08:40] <killermach__> stdin: I chmod +s smbmnt and smbumount and smb4k works on ubuntu, but it seems that I should be able to navigate to the server/share via Places->NetworkServers and add remove files
[08:40] <willys_fueguino> I installed ubuntu-server and now I want to install kde-core...
[08:40] <extern> just type startx
[08:40] <willys_fueguino> Is that posible to do from the kubuntu desktop cd??
[08:40] <Bluedog> cool
[08:40] <Bluedog> thankyou guys
[08:40] <pip`> well im talking to u now using my xp box, if i just plugin my kubuntu box will i be able to connect online simultaneously ?
[08:40] <stdin> Bluedog: it's an option after you install it
[08:40] <LameBMX> Bluedog, then hit e during boot .. and edit the boot line to say single stdin mentioned
[08:40] <Tox> not, i dont want emulate gnome i want have the pannels i want
[08:40] <extern> and that recovery option becomes available after you install ubuntu to your hdd :P
[08:40] <Bluedog> ok :)
[08:41] <karmikaze> i think you can have an empty panel
[08:41] <stdin> LameBMX: its a Live CD session
[08:41] <karmikaze> just keep removing things from it
[08:41] <Bluedog> f6, add single
[08:41] <LameBMX> oh okay stdin thanx
[08:41] <Tox> extra top pannel. are you shure ?
[08:41] <Bluedog> cheers all
[08:41] <karmikaze> extra no, dont think you can have multiple panels
[08:41] <karmikaze> BUT
[08:41] <LameBMX> must not have scrolled up far enough
[08:41] <karmikaze> you can run gnome panel too
[08:41] <karmikaze> thus giving you kicker and extra gnome panels
[08:41] <Tox> how ?
[08:41] <karmikaze> well youd need gnome installed
[08:42] <karmikaze> then just run gnome-panel
[08:42] <karmikaze> or whatever they call it
[08:42] <Tox> i have it
[08:42] <karmikaze> while inside kde
[08:42] <willys_fueguino> How can I install x-window and kde-core from the kubuntu desktop cd??
[08:42] <karmikaze> ok
[08:42] <stdin> killermach__: I doesn't matter what the settings are on your computer, it's the settings on the server
[08:42] <karmikaze> yeah tab out gnome-
[08:42] <karmikaze> and see what programs you have
[08:42] <Tox> u mean gnome-panels
[08:42] <karmikaze> yep
[08:42] <pip`> omg, i CAN connect online at same time as my XP box !
[08:42] <LameBMX> how can i remove bluetooth stuff without removing kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <karmikaze> run that from F2 or whatever
[08:43] <farkr> with cfdisk it's asking me if i want to make my extra partitions 'bootable' or not, should i say yes?
[08:43] <stdin> pip`: you still there?
[08:43] <Tox> hmm ill try .. but kde panel will disapear then ?
[08:43] <karmikaze> nope tox
[08:43] <pr0m3theus> hello  everyone
[08:43] <pip`> im used to windows which doesnt allow 2 simultaneous box connects by default, good
[08:43] <pip`> yes
[08:43] <karmikaze> it might move a bit to make room
[08:43] <pip`> stdin
[08:43] <stdin> pip`: ok, never mind about pastebin then
[08:44] <pip`> im online now
[08:44] <willys_fueguino> How can I install x-window and kde-core from the kubuntu desktop cd??
[08:44] <stdin> pip`: dose one of the partitions say "Linux" by it ?
[08:44] <stdin> willys_fueguino: they are already on the live cd
[08:45] <willys_fueguino> stdin: I installed ubuntu-server
[08:45] <willys_fueguino> and now I want to install kde-core but from the kubuntu cd
[08:45] <willys_fueguino> (I have a very slow internet conection)
[08:45] <stdin> willys_fueguino: you can't install it from the desktop cd, only the alternate cd
[08:45] <willys_fueguino> ie: to download kde-core it wil take like 30-45 minutes
[08:46] <stdin> pip`: ?
[08:46] <ubuntu__> .
[08:46] <ubuntu__> ..
[08:46] <pip2> ok its me
[08:46] <pip2> using konversation
[08:46] <willys_fueguino> stdin: so it isn't posible to install a "kubuntu-minimal" from the kubuntu desktop cd?
[08:46] <stdin> pip2: ahh, ok
[08:47] <extern> why does konqueror only list a few folders when I go to the root folder? I want to see them all
[08:47] <stdin> willys_fueguino: no, you can only do it from the alternate cd
[08:47] <tsdgeos> extern:  because kubuntu developers are crazy people
[08:47] <stdin> pip2: dose one of the partitions say "Linux" by it ?
[08:47] <stdin> !hidden | extern
[08:47] <ubotu> extern: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[08:48] <pip`> stdin, yes, hda2 Linux
[08:48] <Alarm> hello.  which command does remove the not used anymore packages. apt-get autoremove or autoclean ? i dont want to erase what its been downloaded till now in my archive directory but installed packages that are not used. like libraries for example
[08:48] <pip`> hda1 ntfs/hpfs hidden
[08:48] <stdin> Alarm: autoremove
[08:49] <pip`> hda3: linux swap
[08:49] <Alarm> autoclean erases all packages from the archive or did i get wrong what the command does ?
[08:49] <pip`> !pastebin
[08:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:49] <stdin> pip`: ok, it's hda2 we want, in konsole you type this "sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt"
[08:49] <pip`> ok
[08:50] <pip2> ok it gave me >
[08:50] <karmikaze> anyone here use ffmpeg??
[08:50] <stdin> Alarm: autoclean removes old versions of the packages, not all of them, apt-get clean removes all of them
[08:50] <karmikaze> i keep getting output codec errors and wonder if theres a repo for it
[08:50] <stdin> Alarm: take a look at "man apt-get"
[08:50] <Alarm> okie thanks
[08:50] <Alarm> ehmm. got an error
[08:50] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:50] <Alarm> Password:
[08:50] <Alarm> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:51] <stdin> Alarm: you can't have adept open at the same time
[08:51] <Alarm> oops. sorry , yes , stupid me
[08:51] <mots__> is there any way to hide windows on other workspaces from the taskbar when using beryl?
[08:51] <stdin> pip2, pip`: what exactly did you type?
[08:52] <stdin> mots__: no, not in beryl (not that I can find anyway)
[08:52] <pip2> i typed exactly what u pasted, without quotes
[08:52] <pip2> i did a paste
[08:52] <stdin> pip2: and you now see a '>'
[08:52] <Alarm> thanks a lot
[08:53] <stdin> Alarm: no problem :)
[08:53] <pip2> yes
[08:53] <pip2> oh wait no
[08:53] <pip2> i see ...
[08:53] <pip2> ~$ sorry
[08:53] <stdin> pip2: that's ok then :)
[08:54] <stdin> pip2: now open "/mnt/etc/passwd" in kate
[08:54] <pip2> me slightly dislex
[08:54] <pip2> ok
[08:54] <JosefK> is there any way to make adept aware that you want to hold a package at it's current version?
[08:55] <tsdgeos> i'd say no
[08:55] <tsdgeos> but not sure
[08:55] <pip2> ok i now see a bunch of fairly cool stuff
[08:55] <intelikey> packages can be tagged hold
[08:55] <pip2> but not sure which is my passwd etc
[08:55] <intelikey> man aptitude
[08:55] <stdin> pip2: you'll want to find a line with "1000" in it
[08:56] <pip2> ok i see my username with 1000
[08:56] <pip2> at the very bottom
[08:56] <stdin> JosefK: adept can't, Synaptic can
[08:56] <pip2> ./home/sinbad44:/bin/bash
[08:56] <pip2> but not passwd yet
[08:57] <stdin> pip2: yes, but now we know your username :)
[08:57] <pip2> yes good good
[08:57] <pip2> so i guess i can change my passwd now right ?
[08:57] <scifi> if i right-click a folder in konqueror and 'copy to desktop' to create a link, does this actually copy the whole folder or just create a link as required?
[08:57] <JosefK> stdin: heh, I thought as much, I'll just stop the adept notifier from starting
[08:57] <karmikaze> !avi
[08:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:57] <itschin> My sound isn't working, how do I change my sound driver? I've tried changing it in K System Settings -> Multimedia and Sound but it just says restarting sound system but no change takes effect.
[08:57] <stdin> pip2: yes
[08:58] <balint> stdin: hi there
[08:58] <Murchadh> intelikey: Are you about for an apt problem?
[08:58] <stdin> pip2: there are a couple ways to do it, either boot up kubuntu in to rescue mode and type "passwd sinbad44" or you could do it from the CD too
[08:58] <balint> stdin: adept found update for xorg xserver, and two update for restricted modules.. thats good for me right? :)
[08:59] <stdin> hey balint
[08:59] <intelikey> Murchadh info
[08:59] <stdin> balint: updates are good, yes :)
[08:59] <scifi> can anyone enlighten me?
[09:00] <Bluedog> hey again
[09:00] <Bluedog> if i start ubuntu with single, edit xorg.conf to 'vesa', then startx, I can get into gnome just fine
[09:01] <karmikaze> anyone know what might break video playback??
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> I expect you ran gui apps with sudo
[09:01] <karmikaze> i used to be able to watch things
[09:01] <HaTcH> If kde is running  but nobody is logged in, will kcron still execute tasks?
[09:01] <Bluedog> running sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, then running sudo nvidia-glx-config install is fine
[09:01] <balint> stdin: will that affect my driver how to install? cause yet i didnt tried to install the driver:) (nvidia) but now i must, cause i enabled trasnperancy and was extremely slow :D
[09:01] <karmikaze> not every file i try freezes in the first second it comes up in mplayer or xine
[09:01] <stdin> scifi: enlighten you on what ?
[09:01] <intelikey> Murchadh ?
[09:01] <karmikaze> s/not/now
[09:01] <Bluedog> but changing xorg.conf back to driver: nv, then restarting ,x it fails with corruption again :/
[09:01] <scifi> if i right-click a folder in konqueror and 'copy to desktop' to create a link, does this actually copy the whole folder or just create a link as required?
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> Bluedog: what card ?
[09:01] <Bluedog> 7800 GT
[09:01] <stdin> scifi: just makes a link
[09:02] <scifi> stdin: ty
[09:02] <Bluedog> at least I know its a gpu driver issue now...
[09:02] <Bluedog> locks up on gnome start screen
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> Bluedog: Do you want to use nv or nvidia-glx
[09:02] <stdin> balint: did you install the driver from ubuntu, or download from nvidia? (remind me :P)
[09:02] <Bluedog> whats the difference? </noob>
[09:02] <balint> stdin: installed from konsole
[09:02] <Bluedog> i just want it to work with the nvidia drivers, atm it locks up and I have to go in and write in vesa
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> one is free with no 3d one isn't
[09:02] <HaTcH> Bluedog: GLX will give you hardwareacceleration
[09:02] <karmikaze> is libxine-extracodecs the only thing i really need for video playback?
[09:02] <Murchadh> intelikey: brb
[09:03] <Bluedog> oh, I want GLX then :)
[09:03] <stdin> balint: yes, but did you use apt-get ?
[09:03] <balint> stdin: by the way i got a cool console terminal, that yakumatao or whatever :)
[09:03] <sioux> hi beryl do not show border windows on kubuntu how can i do that? :-)
[09:03] <Bluedog> so should I be entering nvidia-glx into my xorg.cnof?
[09:03] <Bluedog> conf*
[09:03] <balint> stdin: yes, i used with apt-get
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> Bluedog: Driver "nvidia"
[09:03] <Bluedog> ooh
[09:03] <balint> stdin: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:03] <sioux> beryl do not show border windows on kubuntu how can i do that? :-)
[09:03] <karmikaze> hrmm
[09:03] <stdin> balint: then you'll be fine, ubuntu will make sure all the packages work together when they send out updates :)
[09:04] <Bluedog> so i install glx, enable it, enter nvidia into xorg.conf, then restart x, and hopefully it wont crash?
[09:04] <Bluedog> :D
[09:04] <karmikaze> maybe my beryl is broken for the same reason all my video playback is broken????
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> Bluedog: make sure you have Load "glx" (in the modules part)
[09:04] <scifi> stdin: are u 100% sure about that? because if i click the desktop link it opens the folder in /home/'myuser./Desktop/My Documents
[09:04] <Bluedog> in xorg.conf right?
[09:04] <karmikaze> lupine_85: you around?
[09:04] <HaTcH> Does kcron run when no user is logged on, will it still execute?
[09:04] <Bluedog> thanks h3sp4wn :d
[09:05] <scifi> stdin: whereas the original folder is /home/'myuser./My Documents
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> Bluedog: You haven't tried anything like using the nvidia.com installer etc ?
[09:05] <karmikaze> my yakuke doesnt stay down :/
[09:06] <Bluedog> im using a livecd atm as I dont fancy messing with my partitions
[09:06] <balint> stdin: and how should i reinstall it? sudp apt-get -reinstall install nvidia-glx?
[09:06] <Bluedog> didnt think of the nvidia installer
[09:06] <karmikaze> oh its just firefox ruining yakuke
[09:06] <stdin> scifi: ohh, you choose copy to desktop from konq. no that coppys it, if you want a link, right click on the desktop and choose "Create new - > Link to Location"
[09:06] <BluesKaj> karmikaze, what video card?
[09:07] <stdin> balint: no need to reinstall
[09:07] <karmikaze> nvidia BluesKaj: 7400Go sony vaio laptop
[09:07] <karmikaze> suddenly beryl stopped working
[09:07] <karmikaze> and ive just noticed ALL video playback doesnt work
[09:08] <karmikaze> im afraid to update cos it says its going to remove nvidia-glx
[09:08] <balint> stdin: than what should i do? or how can i found out if the packets are correct?
[09:08] <karmikaze> and it took ages to get that working
[09:08] <BluesKaj> karmikaze, did you just install beryl ?
[09:08] <karmikaze> nup ive not touched anything
[09:08] <karmikaze> it was working one day, not the next
[09:08] <scifi> stdin: thanks. i did see the "Create new - > Link to Location (URL)" option but the URL part suggested it was for online locations only, thanks again
[09:08] <stdin> balint: as long as you used the package from ubuntu, you don't need to do anything, it will work
[09:08] <karmikaze> dont get any errors when i run it either
[09:09] <balint> stdin: but in adept only the nvidia settings are shown as installed
[09:09] <karmikaze> starts up like everything is fine, the little icon comes up too, screen flashes like its gunna start, but goes back to kde
[09:09] <stdin> scifi: URL in this case is both on the web, and on the system
[09:09] <balint> stdin: and the kernel drivers...
[09:09] <BluesKaj> AIGLX ? karmikaze
[09:09] <karmikaze> id like to update, but how can beryl work with nvidia-glx being removed
[09:09] <karmikaze> nope
[09:09] <scifi> stdin: yeh works great thx. so much easier than gnome!!
[09:10] <karmikaze> guess i'll try to update, might at least get video playback working again...
[09:10] <stdin> scifi: no problem :)
[09:10] <Tox>  how to add mixer and system tray to the panel ? and how to place trash bin on the desktop ? tnx :)
[09:10] <BluesKaj> sorry karmikaze, dunno
[09:10] <stdin> balint: you don't see nvidia-glx ?
[09:11] <karmikaze> drag your trash can onto the desktop from panel tox
[09:11] <karmikaze> right click the panel to add things to it...
[09:11] <Tox> i cant see it on the panel
[09:11] <karmikaze> add it to the panel then drag it
[09:11] <karmikaze> the remove it..
[09:11] <karmikaze> s/the/then
[09:11] <Murchadh> intelikey: Broken Pipe =>  Errors were encountered while processing '/var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit-utils_2.86.dsl-36_i386.deb => This from a apt-get -f install. Seems to be trying to write to /usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz? DSL 3.1. I've been through this a couple of times, and have to use the APT::Force-LoopBreak=true to get this far. It's a pain as there are only a few things I need which don't come as part of Damn Small Linux
[09:11] <Murchadh> already.
[09:12] <scifi> Tox: its usually on the very far-right corner
[09:12] <balint> stdin: no, in adept is shown as not installed
[09:12] <ralle> hallo ich brauche hilfe
[09:12] <Tox> i know but i havent it bcoz' i placed it before when i had gnome
[09:13] <karmikaze> @_@
[09:13] <stdin> Tox: to add the trash icon on the desktop, just right click on the desktop, choose "Create New -> Lunk to Location (URL)" name it "Trash" and use the address "trash:/"
[09:13] <Tox> ill try
[09:13] <BluesKaj> !de | ralle
[09:13] <ubotu> ralle: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:14] <intelikey> Murchadh sysvinit-utils hmmm   give me a minute.
[09:14] <stdin> balint: try installing it with adept or apt-get, you need it installed so updates don't break the driver
[09:14] <karmikaze> has anyone updated today?? anyone using nvidia and or beryl???
[09:14] <ralle> danke
[09:15] <intelikey> Murchadh ls -l /usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz
[09:15] <scifi> does Kubuntu have a new updates alert pop-up like Ubuntu ?
[09:16] <karmikaze> yeah scifi
[09:16] <Murchadh> intelikey: Basically, Install DSL to laptop, setup samba to access shares, sudo apt-get the bits I need; smbfs screen and emacs-stuff. Need the APT::Forc....thingy to do that. Can't do a dist-upgrade though. Could leave it as is but I think I can get past it.
[09:16] <stdin> scifi: yes
[09:16] <karmikaze> adept-updater
[09:16] <scifi> bcoz i just did sudo apt-get update and it foudn new ones that i hadnt been alerted about
[09:16] <karmikaze> stdin: do you use nvidia? have you updated today?
[09:16] <scifi> do i need to install/enable adept-updater ?
[09:17] <karmikaze> no just make sure its running
[09:17] <Murchadh> intelikey: Yeah, file doesn't exist.
[09:17] <stdin> karmikaze: no, I have intel chip
[09:17] <karmikaze> ps -ef | grep adept_updater
[09:17] <karmikaze> ok stdin
[09:18] <karmikaze> arghhghgh
[09:18] <karmikaze> many broken things wtf...
[09:18] <karmikaze> man isnt working right
[09:18] <intelikey> Murchadh did you try an strace on it ?     the info you have provided doesn't really lead me in any particular direction
[09:18] <BluesKaj> karmikaze, my experience with beryl wasn't good either but I'm running an ATI card and the beryl setup eliminates alot of video GUI driven programs like google earth so i dumped beryl...it's only eye candy after all
[09:18] <scifi> hmm it is running, but didnt alert me of those updates ^^
[09:18] <balint> stdin: so just install it? in the k menu i can still see the nvidia settings :) that wont be a problem right?
[09:19] <karmikaze> what does it mean when you boot up and it asks you to run fsck MANUALLY? >_>
[09:19] <karmikaze> i try running fsck /
[09:19] <stdin> balint: shouldn't be a problem
[09:19] <Tox> ok and how to add mixer and i can't see my systray, i can't see minimized skype i.e wot i have to do ?
[09:19] <karmikaze> and it fails out#
[09:20] <stdin> karmikaze: it means that there may be some errors on the disk, and it wants you to run fsck to fix them
[09:20] <karmikaze> stdin: i run fsck but it fails
[09:20] <karmikaze> says the disk is mounted read/write in suse
[09:20] <karmikaze> fails for some other reason in kubuntu
[09:20] <karmikaze> @_@
[09:20] <Tox> karmikaze can u help me with my quest plz ?
[09:21] <balint> stdin: ok than i try to install it from adept, after that it should work after restarting x? (im afraid of writing things again in xorg.conf, cause last time it crashed, maybe you still remember)
[09:21] <karmikaze> Tox: right click the panel, add applet or whatever...
 says the disk is mounted read/write <<< so remount it ro and run it.
[09:22] <stdin> karmikaze: use fsck -f /dev/whetever to force a check, also you should not have the partition mounted (or at least have it mounted read-only)
[09:22] <karmikaze> ok
[09:22] <Alarm> with which application can i look the disk usage ?
[09:22] <karmikaze> Alarm: df -h
[09:22] <intelikey> stdin on a mounted fs ?
[09:22] <pip`> stbin, trying to login now using sinbad44, it already let me change my passwd, but what do i type after the ~# prompt ?
[09:22] <Alarm> non console one
[09:22] <stdin> balint: if it fails, you just need to change "nvidia" to "nv"
[09:22] <pip`> stdin
[09:22] <karmikaze> konqueror then Alarm use FSV "file size view"
[09:22] <pip`> sorry mispel
[09:23] <karmikaze> or do you want a monitor Alarm
[09:23] <balint> stdin: with that reconfigure command?
[09:23] <Alarm> monitor
[09:23] <stdin> intelikey: i meant unmounted :P
[09:23] <stdin> karmikaze: I meant *un*mounted
[09:23] <stdin> pip`: what's up?
[09:23] <intelikey> stdin wouldn't   sudo mount -o remount,ro / && fsck /dev/<something>
[09:24] <intelikey> oh stdin ok.   disreguard.
[09:24] <pip`> stdin, trying to login now using sinbad44, it already let me change my passwd, but what do i type after the ~# prompt ?
[09:24] <stdin> intelikey: yes, that's why I also said at least have it mounted read only
[09:24] <Murchadh> intelikey: Ok! I'm doing a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade which tries to upgrade 70 packages, install 30 new and not upgrade 1 (linux-wlan-ng). Then it fails at sysvinit-utils. There were 90 packages to upgrade the first time, so I presume it got as far as sysvinit-utils the first time. Can I make it skip that file and continue, and try and repair it after. I'm not bothered about this OS as it can be reinstalled in 20 min. But I'll be right
[09:24] <Murchadh> back here again...
[09:24] <karmikaze> Alarm: go to dockapps.org
[09:24] <karmikaze> hrm
[09:24] <pip`> its says root@sinbad44-desktop ~#
[09:24] <Alarm> okie , thanks
[09:24] <karmikaze> i dont get how i should run fsck if nothing is mounted...
[09:25] <karmikaze> should i get a rescue cd ready?
[09:25] <stdin> pip`: you should just press "Crtl-D" or type "exit" and it should continue boot as normal
[09:25] <karmikaze> ive run fsck before and not had these problems
[09:25] <pip`> ahh ok let me try that
[09:25] <karmikaze> brb
[09:25] <scifi> mouse-wheel doesnt scroll in konqueror, is it a system wide setting i need to enable or just in konqueror ?
[09:25] <intelikey> Murchadh you have the package in the cache correct ?     try sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/sysv*
[09:26] <balint> stdin: lol the adept will remove the nvidia settings, before installing glx :D
[09:26] <intelikey> see what that does for you.
[09:26] <stdin> balint: I think nvidia-settings is now in nvidia-glx so that's ok
[09:27] <balint> stdin: ok
[09:27] <Patrick`> why doesn't CD ripping from konqueror work, has it been patched out?
[09:27] <Patrick`> kio_audiocd
[09:27] <balint> stdin: you are a developer?
[09:27] <stdin> balint: no :P
[09:27] <pip`> stdin, ok it brought me the desktop gui, but wont take either my OLD nor NEW passwd  :(
[09:28] <pip`> i made sure my caps were off
[09:28] <stdin> pip`: try setting the password again, reboot in to recovery mode again
[09:28] <pip`> ok ill try that
[09:29] <balint> stdin: :D ok. so adept showa that glx is installed, now i should reboot? or an X resatrt should do the thing?
[09:29] <sebbar> hey guys I can't log in on one of my kubuntu machines anymore, it just goes back to the login screen immediatly: is this a known bug by chance?
[09:29] <Murchadh> intelikey: Errors were encountered, no more info than that though.
[09:29] <balint> stdin: settings are removed, but i can still se it, in the k menu :S
[09:29] <intelikey> Murchadh yes now try the update
[09:29] <intelikey> Murchadh we expected errors.
[09:30] <stdin> balint: that's ok then
[09:30] <Tox> karmikaze i cant find how to place systray, still can't see minimized skype plz help :(
[09:30] <stdin> pip`: the command you need is "passwd sinbad44"
[09:31] <balint> stdin: so reboot is better? or just restart X?
[09:31] <pip`> stdin, ok so where do i type that command exactly ? after the ~# prompt or
[09:31] <stdin> balint: just restart X, and if it fails, use "sudo nano /etx/X11/xorg.conf" to change "nvidia" to "nv"
[09:32] <stdin> pip`: yes
[09:32] <pip`> okie
[09:33] <intelikey> sebbar can you login a console with that user ?
[09:33] <stdin> Tox: try right clicking on the panel, choose "Add applet to panel" and then choose "System Tray"
[09:33] <balint> stdin? /etx??? you mean etc?
[09:33] <intelikey> Murchadh how goes the .deb war ?
[09:33] <sebbar> intelikey: unfortunatly it's my sisters machine (on which I don't have access right now) but yes, I think so
[09:34] <stdin> balint: yes, sorry, I'm typing too fast :P
[09:34] <Tox> theres no system tray in applets ..
[09:35] <balint> stdin: ok im restarting it
[09:37] <sebbar> should I try to reconfigure x?
[09:37] <Murchadh> intelikey: Not too good. I might go back to first principles, reinstall and ask about my meddling before I commit to it.
[09:37] <Murchadh> intelikey: Be back in 10. Thanks for your attention!
[09:37] <scifi> in "Keyboard and mouse settings" it says my logitech MX500 was detected and libusb was found at compile time, but it was not possible to access this mouse due to permissions problems. is this why the scroll wheel isnt active ?
[09:38] <Alarm> where can i find the new downloaded skins for kopette ? i mean on my system, they are downloaded but cant find to load them
[09:38] <intelikey> sebbar ok let me give you a quick rundown of things to check.   1. ctrl+alt+f1 and try to login there in tty1 (console)   if that is successful then chown `whoami` $HOME -R && exit   then alt+f7 login through kdm   ;else problem is most likely a password error.     2.  assuming console login works but kdm login still fails   in the login console type  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx      if that works it's a kdm error 
[09:39] <intelikey> sebbar if console is not the last word you see there tell me. ^
[09:40] <boggystudios> does any one know of a graphical ftp server for linux?
[09:40] <sebbar> :intelikey what does chown `whoami` $HOME -R do?
[09:40] <stdin> Tox: you need to add something like this to ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1103/
[09:40] <stdin> Tox: then restart kicker
[09:41] <boggystudios> kind of like filezilla
[09:41] <intelikey> sebbar changes ownership of everything in $HOME to the user name you loged in with.   -R == recursive.
[09:42] <cloakable> Nice :)
[09:42] <sebbar> :intelikey ok I'll try tnx
[09:42] <intelikey> np
[09:43] <Alarm> anyone knows where are kopette skins located after being downloaded ?
[09:43] <Tm_T> Alarm: Depends where you did download.
[09:44] <intelikey> sebbar oh one other thing.that assumes that you have sudoer rights in that account.    a simple test is    sudo echo yes || echo no
[09:44] <Alarm> well, i did install them inside from kopette. it downloaded them automatically, it shows them as installed. but not in the list
[09:44] <Tm_T> But at the end, they are meant to be in ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/themes/ I think.
[09:44] <Tm_T> Alarm: Restart.
[09:44] <Alarm> checked there. but nothign to be found
[09:44] <sebbar> :intelikey yes I do
[09:45] <sebbar> :intelikey since she is the only user, should I really check the first step?
[09:45] <intelikey> sebbar i should have said    sudo chown `whoami` $HOME -R
[09:45] <intelikey> absolutely
[09:45] <sebbar> ok cool
[09:51] <balint> stdin: im back, just had a bath... so i restarted x and nothing. i guess i still have to change nv to nvidia right?
[09:51] <stdin> balint: yead, guess so
[09:51] <psynth> How to start an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 ?
[09:51] <stdin> !upgrade | psynth
[09:51] <ubotu> psynth: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:52] <sebbar> :intelikey first step failed, trying second
[09:53] <intelikey> psynth a far better question might be  "why start an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 ?"   :)
[09:53] <intelikey> sebbar first step answered the question.
[09:54] <sebbar> sorry what do you mean?
[09:54] <balint> stdin: another quick question: how can i svae the modified file with nano?
[09:54] <intelikey> the problem is with the login.    boot into rescue mode and do a   passwd <that user name>        and set the passeord
[09:54] <balint> stdin: wich button? :) altgr+3 ??
[09:54] <hassan2a_> who
[09:54] <hassan2a_> playin to ET ?
[09:54] <hassan2a_> playing*
[09:54] <Tm_T> I play sometimes.
[09:55] <hassan2a_> do you want playing now ?
[09:55] <stdin> balint: it tells you at the bottom of the screen, Ctrl-O
[09:55] <Tm_T> Nope and when I wan't I afraid servers I use are rather full.
[09:55] <intelikey> sebbar also add -u  to that passwd string
[09:55] <balint> so this sign is ctrl? ^
[09:56] <stdin> balint: yep
[09:56] <hassan2a_> lol
[09:57] <Tm_T> hassan2a_: To be honest, I'm low paying in med-servers.
[09:57] <Tm_T> Or servers meant to be med. =)
[09:57] <hassan2a_> ok
[09:58] <balint> stdin: ok, i've changed it, lets hopet it wont crash :)
[09:58] <balint> prepare for X restart:)
[09:58] <sebbar> intelikey: when she tries to startx she gets something like: radeon (0): radeondriStop, engineRestore radeondisplaypowermanagementset, waiting for x server to shoot down
[09:58] <Tm_T> hassan2a_: Let me guess, you're newbie?
[09:59] <Tm_T> hassan2a_: Just look server with over ten players and campaign mode, you'll find server that suit to your needs.
[09:59] <balint> stdin: okay, it worked :) (just as last time :D bu last time after reboot crashed :D ) now its okay i hope..
[09:59] <sebbar> intelikey: sounds like an x server problem doesn't it?
[10:00] <stdin> balint: maybe the nvidia driver just won't work with your card :(
[10:00] <balint> :S how could that be?
[10:00] <stdin> don't know
[10:01] <balint> stdin: but what can i do :D i like nvidia :D big fan :D
[10:01] <balint> stdin: and now the trasnparency of the windows should be acclereated by the vga?
[10:03] <stdin> balint: I don't know, if the ubuntu version doesn't work, you can try with the driver download from nvidia, but after a kernel update you'll have to install it again (by running the downloaded file again)
[10:03] <scifi> is it possible to player asx video ?
[10:03] <balint> stdin: ok. now i will test the transperancy :D and hope it wint crash :)
[10:05] <stdin> scifi: asx isn't video, it's like a playlist, you need to extract the URL from it and play that
[10:05] <scifi> ah right, th
[10:05] <scifi> ty
[10:07] <hassan2a_> Tm_T:  yes i am newbie
[10:08] <balint> stdin!! it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:08] <scifi> what about wmv?
[10:08] <Tm_T> hassan2a_: Well, good luck. :)
[10:08] <hassan2a_> you don't play ?
[10:08] <stdin> scifi: you need w32codecs look at the wiki
[10:08] <scifi> k
[10:09] <stdin> !restricted | scifi
[10:09] <ubotu> scifi: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:09] <hassan2a_> !wiki w32codecs
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki w32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <hassan2a_> !fr
[10:11] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:13] <alfred> moin
[10:16] <yakuntu> que aconsejan para virtualizacion?
[10:16] <yakuntu> nesesito hacer correr el XP en el kubuntu?
[10:17] <stdin> !es
[10:17] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:17] <bonbonthejon> stdin: I was just getting ready to do that
[10:17] <yakuntu> ok!!
[10:18] <stdin> bonbonthejon: you should have been quicker then :p
[10:18] <cgnboy> any germans here
[10:19] <pip`> how do i monitor my overall download speed on kubuntu ?
[10:19] <stdin> !de | cgnboy
[10:19] <ubotu> cgnboy: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:19] <pip`> is Merchant a german last name ?
[10:19] <pip`> cgnboy
[10:19] <cgnboy> thx
[10:19] <pip`> my grandparents i think were atleast part German cgnboy
[10:20] <pip`> cgnboy, but sumone told me that Merchant was kind of a jewish german last name, any ideas cgnboy ?
[10:21] <pip`> stdin, thanx for all your help !!!  *huggies*
[10:21] <pip`> stdin = da  m a n
[10:21] <stdin> pip`: no problem :)
[10:22] <Bluedog> hey all
[10:22] <pip`> kubuntu is gonna do wheelie 'circles' all over MS's head !  heh
[10:22] <Bluedog> running from a livecd, if I boot in with 'single' on parameters, I can get in
[10:23] <Bluedog> as otherwise i get corruption and a crash
[10:23] <pip`> MS's days i think are numbered
[10:23] <pip`> yeah!
[10:23] <Bluedog> on gnome launch. If I then run apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:23] <Bluedog> then nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:23] <Bluedog> changing xorg.conf from VESA to nv still causes a crash
[10:23] <Bluedog> (vesa loads up)
[10:23] <Bluedog> anyone know what to do?
[10:24] <Bluedog> at least I can get into gnome now..
[10:24] <Bluedog> tried getting the nvidia .run file from nvidia.com, but it didnt work, said smoething about a matching kernel missing
[10:24] <Bluedog> and it couldnt compile its own
[10:24] <Bluedog> bit lost here :(
[10:25] <stdin> I'd think you need to install the ubuntu nvidia driver
[10:25] <stdin> !nvidia
[10:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:25] <CSonicGo> it's hard to install it
[10:26] <CSonicGo> I've tried
[10:26] <stdin> what, the ubuntu package ?
[10:26] <CSonicGo> no, the Binary driver
[10:26] <Bluedog> thanks
[10:26] <Bluedog> damn
[10:26] <CSonicGo> from nvidia
[10:26] <Bluedog> if i go into the xterm failsafe, I can still use the system
[10:26] <stdin> that's why I said install the ubuntu package
[10:26] <Bluedog> but tis really corrupted and hard to read the term
[10:26] <CSonicGo> it requires you to know how to manipulate x
[10:26] <CSonicGo> you mean there's a package now
[10:26] <CSonicGo> this must be new
[10:27] <stdin> CSonicGo: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx , then it's installed
[10:27] <CSonicGo> I did that before
[10:27] <CSonicGo> x crashed for good and I had to reinstall
[10:27] <Bluedog> 21:27:08) (stdin) CSonicGo: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx , then it's installed
[10:27] <Bluedog> failed for me
[10:27] <CSonicGo> me too
[10:27] <Bluedog> installs fine, but
[10:27] <Bluedog> changnig from vesa to nv in xorg.conf still died on gnome start
[10:28] <stdin> Bluedog: you don't change to "nv" you change to "nvidia"
[10:28] <Bluedog> said 'nvidia not found' and x fails to start if i do that
[10:28] <Bluedog> :(
[10:28] <CSonicGo> the fact that you have to open a conf file is what bothers me about the whole experience.
[10:28] <CSonicGo> that's dangerous stuff to mess with if you don't know what you're doing.
[10:28] <stdin> nv = open source driver, "nvidia" = binary nvidia driver
[10:29] <Bluedog> If you are running Edgy, type the following instead:
[10:29] <Bluedog> *
[10:29] <Bluedog> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[10:29] <Bluedog> hang on
[10:29] <Bluedog> edgy is teh latest right?
[10:29] <CSonicGo> yes
[10:29] <Bluedog> ive been doing the old enable command line
[10:29] <Bluedog> oops
[10:29] <stdin> yeah, 6.10
[10:29] <Bluedog> thanks guys, will try this :)
[10:29] <CSonicGo> I just wanted my 6800 to have 3d acceleration
[10:29] <CSonicGo> and my 850XT also, but, no :(
[10:30] <CSonicGo> X850T I mean
[10:30] <BluesKaj> ATI?
[10:30] <CSonicGo> yes
[10:30] <stdin> CSonicGo: then use the ATI driver
[10:31] <BluesKaj> CSonicGo, http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[10:31] <stdin> OR https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:31] <stdin> official instructions ^^^^
[10:32] <BluesKaj> that one stdin, didn't work for me , but maybe it will for CSonicGo
[10:32] <BluesKaj> that's why I suggested the MarteyDoo
[10:33] <stdin> BluesKaj: what was your card tho?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> ATI Xpress 200
[10:33] <BluesKaj> newer card
[10:36] <BluesKaj> on board ...I may invest in a better one down the line ..but I'm not a gamer so so far i haven't seen much point
[10:37] <stdin> BluesKaj: I just have an intel chip, AUGLX + Beryl works GREAT :D
[10:37] <stdin> *AIGLX
[10:38] <gdiebel> is there a way to map caps lock keycode to escape but still allow modifiers to operate on the new keysym. shortcuts in kde such as alt+escape do not work with the mapped escape key.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> beryl works on mine too but at the expense of other GUI stuff like google earth whicch needs the ATI open source driver
[10:40] <Lynoure> Any problems with the dapper xorg upgrade?
[10:40] <stdin> BluesKaj: that's because it needs DRI, if you use XGL, DRI is disabled
[10:40] <BluesKaj> yeah stdin, I prefer programs that i can use for my interests rather than just cool looking eye candy for the desktop :)
[10:41] <stdin> BluesKaj: yes, but eyecandy is needed if linux is going to take any market share from MS
[10:42] <Dog|WoW> I'm asking this for my stepdad: I have forgotten the terminal command for setting account passwords.
[10:42] <pip`> how do i monitor download speed in kubuntu dapper ?
[10:43] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: if Ubuntu goes too eyecandy for your taste, there is always Debian, which lets you choose.
[10:43] <stdin> Dog|WoW: passwd
[10:43] <Dog|WoW> Thank you.
[10:43] <Dog|WoW> He says that's all he needs, he can get the rest from there. And I can make him go through the Wiki.
[10:43] <stdin> pip`: you'd need a GUI app, or wget displays speeds
[10:44] <BluesKaj> stdin,, linux will never take much away from MS until the public decides to really work at seting up their computers ...most just want instant gratification
[10:44] <uphill> hi
[10:44] <rian> Hey there people
[10:44] <uphill> i have a windows installation 2nd hd and 2nd partition, but it wont boot, do have anybody experence with that?
[10:45] <stdin> BluesKaj: that's why we want OEMs to sell PC with linux pre-installed
[10:45] <pip`> ok thx stdin !
[10:45] <fxr> uphill does a windows boot option show up in grub?
[10:46] <stdin> uphill: afaik windows needs to be on the 1st partition, and maybe even on the 1st hd too
[10:46] <BluesKaj> I'm sure some pc stores would consider Linux as the primary OS , if it wasn't for MS's predatory marketing tactics
[10:47] <Timas> I got a networking issue.. I've got a laptop with an nvidia graphics card and the intel ipw9345 wireless chipset.. now because of the restricted kernel modules giving so much trouble with the nvidia driver that can be downloaded I attempted to install the wireless driver without the package.. now /none/ of my laptop's network interfaces work..
[10:47] <Timas> It says my wired network (eth0) works fine but the only things I can ping are the loopback and its own configured IP
[10:48] <TheDebugger> I would like to be able to install softwares as easily as with windows, just put the CD in the drive, an autorun starts.. then click install, next, next, next, finish then it's done
[10:48] <stdin> TheDebugger: use Adept, it's even easier, choose the package, choose install, done
[10:49] <stdin> Timas: look at the WiFi docs, and I'm pretty sure you need the restricted modules package
[10:49] <stdin> !wifi
[10:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:49] <TheDebugger> stdin: Imagine a realworld scenario, i buy Microsoft Office 2155 for Linux then i want to install it
[10:50] <Timas> stdin: Wifi is not really my main concern right now.. I'd like to get the wired network working first
[10:50] <TheDebugger> That software is not free, so not in apt repositories
[10:50] <stdin> TheDebugger: 1. why not use OpenOffice 2. Microsoft Office, on linux? :p
[10:50] <TheDebugger> stdin: Was just making a silly example :)
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Open Office works well with all MS docs
[10:51] <stdin> Timas: what connection do you have, how is the wired network connected ?
[10:51] <stdin> TheDebugger: and what's wrong with the OSV making a .deb file on the CD ?
[10:52] <TheDebugger> stdin: Imagine i'm a computer illeterate.. what is a .deb? How to install it?
[10:52] <Bluedog> hey guys
[10:52] <Timas> TheDebugger is right though, theoretically we shouldn't be limited to being unable to install Mickeysoft software on Linux, it might not be desirable or elitist but the posibility should exist.. although a good argument can be given in the mac/windows vision towards windows/linux
[10:52] <Bluedog> tried following that guide, same error
[10:52] <Bluedog> error, couldnt find nvidia kernel
[10:52] <Bluedog> screens found, none usable
[10:52] <TheDebugger> Hmm, type dpkg -i blah2384723.deb on the command line? what is a command line?
[10:52] <Bluedog> x could not start
[10:53] <Timas> stdin: the wired network is connected through a wire :) that works, btw :P
[10:53] <Bluedog> so it appears to install the restricted packages AND the nvidia-glx
[10:53] <Bluedog> and i enable it as it says...
[10:53] <uphill> i have a windows installation 2nd hd and 2nd partition, but it wont boot, do have anybody experence with that?
[10:53] <Bluedog> but x still wont load it
[10:53] <uphill> so it is ok i enteret a configuration in menu.lst
[10:53] <stdin> TheDebugger: the normal action for a "dumb" user would be to double click, which works for debs too
[10:53] <Timas> uphill: it doesn't show up in grub or or or ?
[10:53] <uphill> A disk read error occurred.
[10:54] <uphill> it does
[10:54] <BluesKaj> uphill, what's on the first partition ?
[10:54] <uphill> ubuntu
[10:54] <uphill> a ext3 fs
[10:54] <uphill> on both hds
[10:55] <Bluedog> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia following these instructions, x still fails to start
[10:55] <BluesKaj> uhoh, isn't grub supposed to put ext parts after the windows NTFS ?
[10:55] <Bluedog> says it couldnt load the nvidia kernels, and no screens are usable
[10:55] <uphill> and if i select it the windows bootloader showst the message A disk read error occurred.
[10:55] <Timas> uphill: the read error, is that a grub message or microsoft.. or is it saying it can't boot, not a bootable device, hit ctr+alt+del to reboot?
[10:56] <uphill> it is defenitly the windows bootloader because the message is in german
[10:56] <Timas> Bluedog: uninstall the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and restricted modules package
[10:56] <uphill> and grub is not german on my system, windows is
[10:56] <Bluedog> im running on a livecd to get it working, so thats done atm :D
[10:57] <Bluedog> it will only run x without corruption/crash with VESA in the xorg.conf
[10:57] <uphill> is this hack with the map running?
[10:57] <Timas> Bluedog: then install the nvidia binary package from scratch, best first run it with the --uninstall option first too
[10:57] <uphill> map(hd0) (hd1) ...
[10:57] <uphill> any ideas
[10:57] <BluesKaj> GParted ?
[10:58] <Timas> Bluedog: then after nvidia is installed, install the (and only this one) nvidia-kernel-common
[10:58] <uphill> GParted?
[10:58] <uphill> what do you want with that
[10:58] <BluesKaj> a partition editor
[10:58] <excitatory> i'm setting up a notebook for a friend.. she is excited about kubuntu and knowing her she will most likely use it full-time, but she did mention she wanted to keep windows just in case.  so i'm going to allocate a shared fat32 partition.. is it possible and/or advisible to mount /home in the shared partition?
[10:58] <Timas> do not install the nvidia-glx package, thats the big party pooper
[10:58] <Timas> excitatory: no
[10:58] <uphill> BluesKaj: you mean i should change my partition table
[10:58] <Timas> excitatory: don't use it as home
[10:59] <Timas> excitatory: mount is as a subfolder in home, much safer
[10:59] <excitatory> Timas: ok, do you think i should still have a separate /home partition.. and if so, how large (80gb drive)
[10:59] <excitatory> Timas: ah, good idea.
[10:59] <BluesKaj> uphill have you tries installing a bootloader like GAG
[11:00] <uphill> where to get thisd
[11:00] <Timas> excitatory: on my laptop I have the same.. I have a home partition of about 10gb, just to be safe and a ~/data folder that mounts the fat32
[11:00] <uphill> BluesKaj:
[11:00] <Timas> on windoze the my documents points to that same folder, all she needs to do is remember to safe her documents in the data folder
[11:00] <uphill> no chance with this partition setup and grub?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[11:01] <Timas> uphill: Try running the windows restore console.. although I've never been much impressed with it, it might prove capable to restore your windows boot loader, if that works re-install grub
[11:02] <excitatory> Timas: ok.. and one more.. i was considering only allocating 5gb for windows, since she will probably ditch it anyway.. think that's enough?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> dunno , uphill ...maybe someone else can help you about grub
[11:02] <BluesKaj> excitatory, depends if she like videos or not
[11:03] <hatta> does she like pictures?
[11:03] <Timas> excitatory: 5gb might be tight.. I'd go for 10gb, windows xp alone is about 2gb thats without the 'mandatory' software
[11:03] <Timas> videos and pictures can be viewed on linux
[11:04] <stdin> excitatory: see how much free space there is on windows, and resize the partition to that +1-2GB
[11:04] <BluesKaj> yeah, youcan access the windows files from linux as well
[11:04] <Timas> wth, my wired network works again
[11:04] <Timas> reboot flappy to be certain
[11:05] <excitatory> stdin: nah.. this machine is so full of malware and was re-partitioned by some 'angel protect' windows app that i'm backup up her files and starting fresh.
[11:06] <excitatory> stdin: er.. wait.. i see what you're saying..
[11:06] <BluesKaj> gawd partition magic does it's wonderous damge again ..
[11:06] <Timas> excitatory: I'd go with 10gb for windows, 30 for linux root and 10 for linux home and whatever is left for the shared data
[11:06] <Timas> but thats me
[11:06] <Timas> :)
[11:06] <BluesKaj> partition magic ain't so magic
[11:06] <stdin> don't forget you need a swap partition :)
[11:06] <Timas> (2gb for swap *cough*)
[11:07] <Timas> I forgets
[11:07] <BluesKaj> 1g for swap is lots :)
[11:07] <stdin> depends on how much RAM you have
[11:07] <excitatory> Timas: why so much for linux root?.. and 2gb is WAY too much swap
[11:07] <excitatory> swap isn't even really utilized that often
[11:07] <sahsene> why does apt download upgrades 10 KB/S?is there a problem with bandwith?
[11:08] <stdin> excitatory: how much RAM dose the laptop have?
[11:08] <scifi> isnt 3GB adequate for root ?
[11:08] <Timas> I've got a 250gb drive that I don't even remotely fill halfway.. I tend to stick to the safe side by overtaking my ranges
[11:08] <hatta> a couple hundred mb are sufficiant for root
[11:08] <scifi> nah, installer said 3GB min.
[11:08] <stdin> hatta: not if you want to install some packages
[11:08] <OolaB> Hi
[11:09] <hatta> put /usr and /var on separate partitions
[11:09] <hatta> you don't want / filling up when you've got tons of log messages in /var or install too many packages in /usr
[11:09] <stdin> that's getting more advances then, you may aswell use LVM too
[11:09] <hatta> lvm?
[11:10] <excitatory> hatta: server yes, simple desktop too many partitions imho.
[11:10] <Timas> heh
[11:10] <OolaB> Whenever I do fglrxinfo it says the OpenGL renderer is Mesa GLX indirect
[11:10] <stdin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management
[11:11] <excitatory> stdin: looks like only 512.. so perhaps 1gb swap?
[11:11] <BluesKaj> what's point of a seperate "/home" partition , what are it's adavantages ?
[11:11] <stdin> excitatory: 1GB should be plenty
[11:11] <excitatory> BluesKaj: you can re-install from scratch and maintain your settings and files
[11:12] <BluesKaj> what does /home hold ?
[11:12] <excitatory> BluesKaj: all of your user files.. think My Documents
[11:12] <wedgeV> anyone using mod_musicindex with apache?
[11:12] <MementoMori> hi all
[11:12] <dwidmann> Blueskaj, look at your /home folder, with view hidden files turned on
[11:12] <OolaB> I used apt to get the restricted modules package for my kernel version as well as the xorg driver and followed all the step exactly on the unofficial wiki but it's not working
[11:12] <dwidmann> or rather, your /home/user folder ...
[11:13] <excitatory> BluesKaj: also, like dwidmann is pointing out, many of your user-specific preferences.
[11:13] <arkanabar> This whole idea of putting root in a separate partition from the rest sounds interesting, but I have no idea how to do it.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> ok, now if i decide to add a /home partition to my existing ext , how large should it be ?
[11:14] <dwidmann> as large as you need it to be
[11:14] <stdin> arkanabar: you have the option during install
[11:14] <dwidmann> mine is around 220gb ...
[11:14] <arkanabar> : blinks : I do?  I don't remember seeing that.......
[11:14] <dwidmann> I give my other partitions very little space, and allocate the rest to home ...
[11:15] <BluesKaj> so what's the diff ?
[11:15] <stdin> arkanabar: there is either an option in guided partitioning, or you use manually set up partitioning
[11:15] <MementoMori> I'm trying to connect to my access point trought my ipw2200 wlan card (centrino). I installed knetworkmanager but it cannot connect to the lan... It always ask for the wpa key... what I should install in order to connect to my wlan when I turn on my wl card without using sudo commands in konsole?
[11:16] <arkanabar> stdin:  ah.  I used manual partitioning, cuz I still need Win2k betimes to game with my wife.  She doesn't want to learn linux.
[11:17] <stdin> arkanabar: then you could have made a separate /, /home, /var, /usr, /boot ........ :)
[11:17] <arkanabar> stdin:  so, would guided partitioning let me preserve the Win2k partition?  I'm going to be doing this again in a few days with a new computer.
[11:17] <stdin> arkanabar: I think it had the option "resize partition and install ubuntu on free space" (or something to that effect
[11:17] <Timas> arkanabar: you can do it manualy if you want to be certain.. just create more partitions and set the mount point to / or /home or /var or or or :)
[11:17] <stdin> MementoMori: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/KubuntuWPAHowTo
[11:18] <MementoMori> thank you stdin
[11:18] <dwidmann> blueskaj, the difference between [what]  and [what] ?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> !partitions
[11:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:19] <stdin> you could, in theory, have every directory on a different partition/network share of you wanted to
[11:19] <BluesKaj> but why , std ?
[11:20] <stdin> BluesKaj: that's why I said "in theory"
[11:20] <arkanabar> ewwwww.  I'd think it'd be enough to put root and boot on their own partitions.
[11:20] <stdin> you don't need /boot on its own partition
[11:21] <dwidmann> root is always its own partiton though ...
[11:21] <BluesKaj> does having seperate partitions for /home and /etc... files speed things up or .. ?
[11:21] <dwidmann> Blueskaj, no
[11:21] <Timas> if they are on seperate drives, it might
[11:21] <vulcanius> stdin: if you expect your filesystem may fill up quicker than you can compensate you sure better put /boot on it's own partition
[11:22] <dwidmann> Timas: for /etc, a bunch of settings files, I don't think performance is something anyone is going to be worrying about any time soon
[11:22] <BluesKaj> my cpu use only half of its speed capabilities in this setup as it is
[11:22] <BluesKaj> uses
[11:22] <Timas> dwidmann: I'm more or less going for  a    /  and /home   setup, which means a wee bit more variety than just settings files
[11:23] <stdin> vulcanius: the only reason you'd need /boot on its own partition, is if you boot multiple linux OSs using different filesystems for /
[11:23] <Timas> BluesKaj: speed doesn't always come from the CPU though
[11:23] <dwidmann> yes, but you responded to a question regarding / and /etc, which is why I said that. I always use / + /home .... I would hate to lose my precious settings files, or to have to back up and restore every time I wanted to do a clean install.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> no, i'm aware of that but memory is ok too , it's 1G
[11:23] <vulcanius> stdin: that leaves you at risk if your filesystem fills completely and something causes a crash, good luck restarting it
[11:24] <stdin> Timas: partitions for /, /home, and swap is fine
[11:24] <dwidmann> if you keep the main culprit of space occupatioon, /home, on its own partition I highly doubt / (which includes /boot) is going to run out of room any time soon
[11:25] <Timas> bah.. with network back to working I just updated and it updated compiz somewhere along the way, now its broken again (bah!)
[11:25] <dwidmann> I hear giving /var its own partition is a good idea for (some) servers
[11:25] <vulcanius> dwidmann, you, the type of person that sais it will happen, are the most likely to have it happen, heh
[11:25] <vulcanius> damn i can't spell
[11:26] <dwidmann> vulcanius, I have 900gb of hard drive space. Filling up is virtually an impossibility for me :D
[11:26] <stdin> dwidmann: yeah, logs can quickly fill a partition if there is a runaway process writing to them
[11:27] <vulcanius> dwidmann. yeah you do
[11:27] <vulcanius> but for most business still operating on low gig SCSI
[11:27] <vulcanius> it's a real problem
[11:27] <arkanabar> Well, as yet, I'm not doing any sort of server.  I'm just another desktop on a peer to peer network.
[11:34] <StingRay> Hi all. How can enable XDMCP from console?
[11:35] <Linux_Galore> kde 3.5.6 is about to be released
[11:36] <stdin> StingRay: umm, I think it's in KDMs settings files, but have a look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
[11:36] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, is a changelog available yet?
[11:36] <StingRay> Thanks, stdin.
[11:36] <stdin> :)
[11:36] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: their working on it as I speak, Im on the mailing list and they are editing the text
[11:37] <dwidmann> Awesome, if you don't mind, drop me a pm with the url when they've got the changelog whipped together
[11:37] <stdin> Linux_Galore: or just post it here, as I would like a peek :)
[11:38] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann:  hold on let me swap systems
[11:38] <dwidmann> Oh, wait, It's only wednesday, HOoorrrrrrrahhhhhh!!!
[11:38] <phobiac> What's an easy way for me to scan my computers ports to test what's open? I recall a program that did it in ubuntu but I no longer have it.
[11:39] <Timas> netstat
[11:39] <phobiac> Thanks
[11:39] <Timas> sudo netstat -tap   , that shows every local port and connection thats active
[11:40] <dwidmann> It's only wednesday, not Thursday, which happens to be the day before Friday, which is the day on which I have to go back to my job and work, which is a day I dread (cursed 12 hour shifts of manual labor =( )
[11:40] <stdin> I like "netstat -lnp" , lists only listening ports and the process listening on iy
[11:41] <Timas> tomorrow is the last day of the workweek for me.. in fact, thats in 20min :P
[11:42] <Timas> lnp looks nice, I'm thinking I like it more than tap
[11:43] <dwidmann> I feel like playing right now, is netstat contained within the netstat-nat package?
[11:43] <dwidmann> hold that question, I answered it
[11:46] <StingRay> stdin, /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ;)
[11:46] <stdin> StingRay: that looks right :)
[11:46] <dwidmann> looks like linlin has been having trouble
[11:47] <Timas> either that or they can't really make up there mind..
[11:47] <Timas> hm, chat.. hm no chat.. hm chat..   and so forth ;)
[11:47] <StingRay> I am trying to place tightvnc on :0, realvnc is awful
[11:48] <Timas> I've only had that working once, its the nicer way to go imo though
[11:48] <sleepy495> I get this error when installing beryl http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1115/
[11:48] <sleepy495> when i type 'beryl'
[11:48] <StingRay> stdin, do you know why when logging via ssh I have to wait 6-7 secs before I see the password prompt?
[11:49] <StingRay> I have this problem on all my ubuntus
[11:49] <Timas> but not on other linux's, StingRay?
[11:49] <StingRay> Slack is just fine , stdin
[11:49] <StingRay> 10.1 and 11
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> While working hard on KDE 4, the KDE developers have continued the 3.5 series
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> with KDE 3.5.6.  This release includes a number of bugfixes for KHTML, Kate,
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> the kicker, ksysguard and much more!
[11:50] <StingRay> all my Kubuntus are 6.06.1 LTS
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> The updates include additional support
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> for compiz as a window manager with kicker, session management browser tabs
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> for Akregator, templating for KMail messages, and new summary menus for
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> Kontact making it easier to work with your appointments and to-do's
[11:50] <dwidmann> sleepy495: either there's something wrong with your accelerated X drivers, or you xorg.conf isn't set up right to take advantage of 3d hardware acceleration.
[11:50] <stdin> StingRay: hmm, it's instant for me
[11:50] <StingRay> hmm, I will investigate later...stdin
[11:50] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, anything on the buggy code-folding, perhaps?
[11:50] <Timas> Woo! any idea when packages will be released for this, Linux_Galore?
[11:51] <Bluedog> (21:58:33) (Timas) do not install the nvidia-glx package, thats the big party pooper
[11:51] <Bluedog> thanks a lot for your help mate :)
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> I havent got a set date yet
[11:51] <Bluedog> how do i install the nvidia binary package from scratch?
[11:51] <Bluedog> before kernel common
[11:51] <stdin> StingRay: use "ssh -vvv" to get *very* verbose output with ssh :)
[11:51] <Bluedog> the .run from the nvidia site fails
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> Usually when i start seeing the release notes though its usually about a week later
[11:51] <StingRay> I see, Thanks stdin ;)
[11:51] <nihil_sum> I was copying some files from a Samba network share onto my local ext3 filesystem, and midway through it started complaining that the filesystem is read-only.  Half the files got copied... But now I can't write to my filesystem?
[11:52] <dwidmann> Bluedog, either try using envy, or lupine's repo
[11:52] <nihil_sum> I tried sudo mount -o remount /... "block device /dev/disk/by-uuid/... is write-protected, mounting read-only."
[11:52] <nihil_sum> I did a e2fsck and it fixed some things, but it still will only mount read-only
[11:52] <Bluedog> sorry, I'm a bit of a newbie to this in depth, what's envy?
[11:52] <dwidmann> !envy
[11:52] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: about time
[11:53] <arkanabar> Any suggestions for installing Opera?
[11:53] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, about time for what?
[11:53] <Bluedog> thanks :D
[11:53] <dwidmann> arkanabar, should install flawlessly
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: there is also kubextra, that does nvidia/java/flash/ati  its a kommander script thing so its graphical
[11:54] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, I haven't heard of that one
[11:54] <arkanabar> *sigh* problem is, I ought to have something like Linux for Dummies or Linux Clearly Explained, and I don't.
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: its on  kde-apps.org
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: needs someone to edit the back end script for the edgy repo's though because its only for dapper right now
[11:55] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, I've not played with kommander scripts before, but I think I'll play with it, I have time.
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> arkanabar: hacking Ubuntu by O'Reilly is free to download
[11:56] <sleepy495> is there a site for documentation on lupine repositories?
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: java/flash/nvidia/ati  are common problem in here
[11:56] <Linux_Galore> problems*
[11:56] <dwidmann> I don't know, I think I have a link to the lupine repo though, sleepy495
[11:57] <sleepy495> ok thanks
[11:57] <dwidmann> deb http://beryl-mirror.lupine.me.uk edgy main
[11:57] <dwidmann> somewhere on that site, I know that's the one for beryl, not sure if the nvidia-glx is in there also or not
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> also kubuntu doesnt seem to manager on board sound cards and pci together well
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> manage*
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> ie "no sound"
[11:58] <dwidmann> my onboard sound works fine :)
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: yeah, but then get a PCI card and do an install, half the time kubuntu cant figure out what to do, you have to manually run asoundconf   and define the default sound card
[11:59] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, I see . .. hmm, I'd sooner disable the onboard in the bios if I dropped in a pci card though
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: if you have a PCI sound card with "on board sound" it should default to the PCI card but it doesnt
[12:01] <genii> My onboard sound worked fine first time out
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: some poor bugger was in here yesterday for an hour trying to fix it, no one could figure it out or give an answer, lucky I logged in and told him how to fix it
[12:02] <dwidmann> so I can remember in case I ever need to know, after running asoundconf, how do you go about defining the default sound card
[12:02] <Timas> oh, I've got a router here that had a bad firmware updating session and now fails to do anything.. anyone here have an idea how I might fix this, if at all possible?
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: ok its a 2 step thing
[12:03] <genii> Timas If it's a WRT54 series mayboe otherwise no
[12:03] <BluesKaj> ok, if you've installed a new seperate souncard without changing the BIOS CMOS peripherals , then neither soundcard will work
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: first step is  "asoundconf list"     get them to post what is outputs
[12:04] <BluesKaj> the onboard soundcard must be 'disabled'
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> it*
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: cant always do that
[12:04] <dwidmann> not all bios's have that option blueskaj
[12:05] <BluesKaj> most new pc have that option from my experience
[12:05] <Timas> sitecom wl-122
[12:05] <Timas> had to dig it up from under the rubble :P
[12:05] <suntzu> hello ppl how do i set a volume label like msdos command 'label'?
[12:05] <dwidmann> BluesKaj, not everyone has a new pc either
[12:06] <BluesKaj> sometimes setting up a new soundcard in windows first is the way to go
[12:06] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: second step is   pick a card then type  "asoundconf set-default-card <model>"  <model> = one of the chipsets listed with the exact same text descriptor
[12:06] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: then reboot
[12:06] <farkr> it's weird how a lot of sites are saying that slackware is best for linux noobs because you get to learn how linux works but with ubuntu is 'debian' for noobs. is that true?
[12:07] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, thanks, I've jotted that down.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> debian is linux too
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: its strange but there is nothing in kubuntu to set the default
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: graphically
[12:08] <sleepy495> After I do a fresh install of Edgy and update the system via Adept what are some things to install first besides video drivers?
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: or if you do try "nothing happens"
[12:08] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, then perhaps, someone should write something like that
[12:09] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: need a kommander tidy up thing for newbies
[12:09] <dwidmann> kommander tidy up thing?
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: graphical helper script that fixes common newbie problems
[12:10] <dwidmann> I figure if I get around to doing it I'd use PyQt/PyKDE
[12:10] <genii> Timas :( I know some tricks for the WRT54 series but tjose , no, I'm sorry
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: too late now for edgy/dapper
[12:10] <Timas> no worries, the quest has begun, if its possible I can do it, although I don't know how yet!
[12:10] <BluesKaj> sleepy495, first of all it all depends on what hardware is or isn't working
[12:11] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, are you saying this "tidy up script" is already present, and wanting to give me the link, or are you saying one needs to be written :s
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: well dapper has one, edgy doesnt
[12:12] <dwidmann> Ah
[12:12] <dwidmann> Link me, I'll see if I can do anything with it
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: Im thinking maybe kubuextra ported to edgy with a few add ons
[12:12] <uber_mort> I need to do something like this INSERT INTO tableA SELECT * FROM tableB WHERE 1 ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE colX   (and have the values from tableB overwrite the values from tableA)
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: let me get the link
[12:12] <arkanabar> Mebbe next time I'll install Dapper first & then upgrade to edgy
[12:12] <uber_mort> errrr, I was in the mysql channel, I swear
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48166
[12:14] <farkr> whats the command to completely reinstall kde (mines broken and a half)?
[12:14] <farkr> in edgy
[12:14] <dwidmann> my inter connection feels so slow today :\