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lifelessogra: the nfs mount offers the cdrom image only12:12
twblifeless: you want to unite a read-only NFS root with a ramdisk?12:13
ogralifeless, so you simply need ltsp with the chroot replaced by the iso image ? 12:15
ogrado you need to loop mount it before the nf export or do we have it mounted anywhere visible (below the union) ?12:16
ogras/nf/nfs/12:16
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twbIf you're talking about a read-only NFS root merged casper-style with a tmpfs ramdisk, debian-live currently does that, and I'm hassling Mithrandir to dupload my code so that feisty will do it, too.12:17
twbCurrently, Ubuntu does not support it.12:17
ogratwb, actually the spec was about providing ltsp from a livecd ... 12:18
ograsomehow it mutated ... 12:18
twbOK, ignore me then.12:18
ograwhyt lifeless wants to provide is not the unionfs merged piece but only the iso ...12:18
ogra*what12:19
twbI see.12:19
ograso your clients boot the iso like its attached locally ... 12:20
ogratwb, yur code would enable real ltsp thin clients from liveCDs if i understand t right12:21
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ogra(which is a very bad idea wrt disk access ... apart from demoing with a single client)12:22
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lifelessogra: I need what I've put together12:23
twbWhat my code does is allow up to, say, 100 1GHz diskless clients to boot from a single read-only NFS export.12:23
lifelesstwb: yes, its casper. Read the spec12:23
twbAnd strictly speaking, it's not my code.12:23
twbActually 100 is probably a rather modest ceiling for a 100baseT network.12:24
ogra100 1 Ghz clients ? from a single CDrom ? 12:24
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ograwhat kind of cdrom do you have attached there ? a 300x one ?12:24
twbogra: what CD-ROM?12:25
lifelesshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD12:25
twbIt's NFS, not a CD.12:25
lifelesstwb: ^ have you read that ?12:25
twbOh, you want to boot the server off the same CD.  I"m not doing that.12:25
lifelesstwb: eventually. Read the manual prototype down the bottom.12:25
ograits a liveCD with the opportunity to booot thin clients from12:25
lifelessogra: the point is that they are not regular thing clients, they are casper clients12:26
ograwhich turned into a liveCD with the opportunity to boot full diskless workstations from ;)12:26
ogralifeless, right12:26
lifelessogra: so you can boot the machine, and then install locally12:26
lifelessand dont need any writable network area12:26
ograyep understood12:26
lifelessnow, in fact, for what I needed, booting the server off the ISO is irrelevant12:27
twbI don't understand why any of this is confusing.  I've been doing it with Knoppix for two years.12:27
lifelessbut that spec was the best place to document what I did.12:27
lifelesstwb: Its not confusing me ;)12:27
ograneither me :)12:27
twbI wish people wouldn't use unbound personal pronouns on wiki entries.12:29
twb"For linux.conf.au I setup a machine that shared out a liveCD, perhaps called a LiveNetboot ;)."12:29
lifelesstwb: thats me, sorry.12:29
twblifeless: were you the guy asking for g3 mac keyboards on the luv list?12:30
lifelessnope12:30
lifelessfixed that to say who I am ;)12:30
twbGood, good.12:31
ogratwb, were you the guy i discussed the ltsp liveCD with one year ago in #ltsp ? 12:32
twbI dunno12:33
twbPossibly.12:33
lifelessogra: where I'd like to go from here is getting all the software changes done, so that doing this manually is easy: merging casper changes, adding the udevtrigger too, fixing pxelinux GFXBOOT support12:34
ogralook at ltsp-update-kernels for the pxe and tftp stuff12:34
twblifeless: um, the syslinux people (who maintain pxelinux) are adamant that GFXBOOT is the devil, and you should use vesamenu instead.12:34
lifelessogra: then while its still not automated, as long as we include the relevant packages on the livecd, you can manually do livecd sharing at a conference starting with just a livecd and no net12:34
twb...just FYI12:34
ogra(and use a maintained tftp server :P)12:34
lifelesstwb: I know12:34
lifelesstwb: however, our isolinux is patched with gfxboot12:35
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lifelesspxelinux shows splash screens ok, but doesn't show the graphical 'loading vmlinuz' progress bar12:35
ograwell, it shouldnt be to had to have some hardcded things you can force through a bootoption to get a running tftp server that offers you netbooting12:35
twblifeless: really? I couldn't get it that far.12:36
ograi heard grub2 should be able to do netboot but i never looked deeper ...12:36
lifelesstwb: splash.rle and splash.pcx need to be in / 12:36
twblifeless: you mean in the tftp server's root directory?12:36
ograthat should be able to give you the progress bar12:36
lifelesstwb: yes12:36
twbi.e. /tftpboot, typically12:37
ograif thats no option you probably need to hack up gfxboot to be network aware12:37
twbI tried that and it still didn't work.12:37
twb...IIIRC, anyway12:37
ograoh, please use FHS compliant dirs ...12:37
lifelesstwb: try with the edgy syslinux package copy of pxelinux.0 perhaps12:37
ogra/var/lib/tftpboot is the right one12:37
twbI apologize; I'm being forced to use RHEL against my will12:37
lifelesstwb: its a single file :)12:37
lifelesstwb: just copy it out ;)12:37
Riddellglatzor: hi, why do you ask about software-properties?12:38
Riddellglatzor: we do yes12:38
twbI tried it with the Debian syslinux package, because it was newer.12:38
lifelesstwb: all I can say for sure is that if you follow the recipe I documented, it will work :)12:38
twbFairy nuff.12:38
lifelessogra: gfxboot is a patch to syslinux, need to find why the patch is not affecting pxelinux.0, but syslinux FTBFS for me12:39
ograhmm12:39
ograi know cbx33 worked with bootmenus in PXE and syslinux, try to catch him tomorrow :)12:40
ograhe probably knows more12:40
glatzorRiddell: since I am a co author. I offered you to write s-p in a desktop neutral way at Paris, since we reworked the user interface :)12:40
lifelessogra: I've worked with them before :). 12:40
ograltsp doesnt hide the uncompressing stuff .... 12:41
lifelessogra: had the hardware build process for embedded routers running stripped woody driven completely via pxe 12:41
ograit gets graphical once usplash kicks in12:41
glatzorRiddell: currently the code is very gtk centric.12:41
lifelessogra: do you have the splash screen ?12:41
lifelessogra: or no pretty stuff at all ?12:42
ograon my thin clients ? yes12:42
lifelessogra: yeah, the pxelinux one.12:42
ograall the pretty stuff :)12:42
lifelessogra: so you just dont have teh 'uncompressing progress bar' as a gui - you get ...... instead ?12:42
Riddellglatzor: times have changed a bit since paris, and the spec we were looking at then didn't happen, so for feisty the plan is to look at software-properties again12:43
ograif you boot a thin client, you see the PXE transfer and after thats done initramfs kicks in with usplash12:43
glatzorRiddell: So generally I could move all the GTK parts to a not yet existing class SoftwarePropertiesGtk and make it an inheritance of SoftwareProperties12:43
lifelessogra: right, we are agreeing vigourously12:43
ograyep12:43
Riddellglatzor: that sounds lovely12:43
Riddellglatzor: did manchicken contact you?12:43
glatzorRiddell: do should also correct the spec :) it talks about system-properties and not software-properties by the way :)12:43
glatzorRiddell: not yet. mvo told me about your plan12:44
Riddellglatzor: I blame mvo for not reviewing it properly :)12:45
glatzorRiddell: the alias sounds funny :)12:45
glatzorRiddell: so manchicken will do the python-qt part?12:46
Riddellglatzor: he's looking at it yes12:46
Riddellglatzor: he has commented that it's quite tied to GTK12:47
glatzorRiddell: Ii changed a lot in software-properties recently. but the new bits are only available in my local repository, since we need some new build deps in ubuntu before12:47
Riddellglatzor: you don't have a branch on launchpad?12:48
glatzorRiddell: the source tree of update-manager ist already splitted. 12:48
glatzorRiddell: AFAIK there is not even yet a product for software-properties12:49
Riddellah, well that's a good start at least12:50
Riddellglatzor: make one make one!12:50
ograisnt that part of synaptic ? 12:50
Riddellogra: it only maskerades as a part of synaptic12:50
ograah12:51
Riddellogra: synaptic in ubuntu uses software-properties if it's installed, else it uses its own editor12:51
glatzorogra: the source code of the software-properties is currently part of update-manager12:51
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ograah, right, update.manager, not synaptic ...12:52
glatzorogra: Riddell: there will be even a third package in the future: python-aptsources12:52
ograglatzor, btw there is a new g-ss package up ... i think we should put the debian dir into bzr and on LP ...12:52
glatzorit provides the abstraction of the sources.list12:52
ograyep, there is a spec for that12:53
glatzorogra: oh, I am not so familiar with the specs for feisty12:53
glatzorI mainly work on my stuff :)12:53
ograhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/software-channels12:54
glatzorogra: oh no. it abstracts the content of the sources. list :)12:58
glatzorthis was a misunderstanding12:58
glatzoraptsources determines the current used distribution and which compoents and sub repository are used12:58
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ograah12:59
glatzorRiddell: in which time zone does manchicken live?01:00
ograwoah, is there still the CC going on ? 01:01
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sladenwin 10301:01
dsasogra: Still a quarter of the member applicants to go through01:01
mdkewhoa.01:01
mdke103?01:01
mdkethat's serious business01:02
Riddellglatzor: US I think01:02
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ogramdke, well, there was a significant backlog ...01:02
mdkeyeah01:03
mdzBenC: are these "usbdev...resume from 0, parent...still 2" messages normal?01:04
mdzBenC: I see them when hibernating my thinkpad01:05
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alex-weejis there ever going to be printed CDs for non-LTS releases again?01:10
alex-weej(for free :P)01:10
ograthe marketing gods might know :P01:12
glatzorRiddell: I hope that I can work on the desktop neutrality of software-properties next week. so it would be nice if manchicken could get into contact with me.01:12
alex-weejwhen is the next LTS due?01:12
alex-weejOctober?01:12
glatzorbye01:12
Riddellgnomefreak: great, I'll poke him01:15
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BenCmdz: Never seen them before01:50
Riddellcjwatson, Mithrandir: fix to casper-reconfigure works well01:57
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mdzBenC: OK, dmesg via mail or bug?02:14
BenCmdz: bug, to make sure I don't let it get lost in my inbox02:15
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mdzBenC: bug 7863402:35
UbugtuMalone bug 78634 in linux-source-2.6.20 "usbdev4.1_ep00: PM: suspend 0->1, parent usb4 already 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7863402:35
BenCmdz: Thanks02:36
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sirpingalothey.. does anyone know of any Xwin equivalent of the console "dialog" command?02:39
cgesirpingalot: zenity?02:41
sirpingalotcge: hmmm.. looks like wht i'm looking for .. tnx :)02:42
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Nafallotime to sleep03:31
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Hobbseeanyone around?04:10
_ionSomewhat.04:11
LaserJocknot that I know of04:11
Hobbseei thought MOTU's were supposed to be able to post to ubuntu-devel04:11
LaserJockthey should be04:11
Hobbseei've just got an email that my message is waiting to be moderated04:11
LaserJockbut I think you have to use your preffered email on LP04:11
Hobbseeyou're kidding...right?04:11
LaserJockno04:11
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Hobbseeyou should be able to use any email that's linked to your gpg key04:12
Hobbseei cant put my standard @ubuntu.com ro @kubuntu.org address in as the preferred address, because then LP breaks.04:12
LaserJockI think it uses your preferred email, but I could be wrong04:12
LaserJockactually, I'm not sure that it does break, now04:12
LaserJockI haven't tried to email -devel so I don't know if mine works either04:13
LaserJockcause I'm in the same situation you are in04:14
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LaserJockme neither04:14
Hobbseeoh *neat*04:15
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LaserJockyou have 2?04:15
Hobbseeyes, hobbsee and hobbsee-ubuntu, as i had to take the @ubuntu.com address out of my normal account, but used it to uplaod04:15
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twbHmm, does casper clobber /etc/nsswitch.conf?04:46
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twb...or maybe my code isn't writing to it properly :-/04:50
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lifelesstwb: it shouldn't. You can see all of casper in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/06:23
fabbionemorning06:25
Hobbseemorning fabbione!06:25
fabbioneyo yo06:26
twbHas anyone gotten ldap authentication working on top of an netbooting casper system?06:37
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pittiGood morning07:19
_ion'ning07:20
somerville32:] 07:21
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fabbioneMithrandir: i am doing a refresh of some cluster packages. They are not critical for Herd 2 so they can just wait in the queue.07:31
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=== jdub hugs fabbione
fabbionehey jdub 07:43
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fabbionejdub: how is your sparc treating you?07:44
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MithrandirRiddell: rolling you new livefs-es.08:22
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dholbachgood morning08:59
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MithrandirRiddell: new -desktop images ready for you09:09
somerville32:)09:13
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twbMithrandir: nag, nag09:22
Mithrandirtwb: thanks.09:23
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jdubhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzDN3YPucpU09:40
somerville32jdub: Serious spamming going on in #ubuntu. You have ops :P09:42
fabbionejdub: <no comment/>09:42
fabbionesomerville32: who is spamming?09:42
somerville32[04:40]  <somerville32> [Infeliz]  (i=Infeliz@adsl-85-217-21-167.kotinet.com): Kimmo Suokas09:43
somerville32[04:41]  <somerville32> [alumno03]  (n=alumno03@62-43-33-240.user.ono.com): alumno0309:43
somerville32[04:41]  <somerville32> It appears alumno01 and alumno02 are the same people as alumno0309:43
somerville32[/snippet from -ops] 09:43
mneptokfabbione: what's the process for getting channel ops?09:44
fabbionemneptok: no idea.. i was given..09:44
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somerville32fabbione: and Infeliz was swearing and telling people to stfu and stuff09:44
fabbionesomerville32: did he stop? 09:45
mneptokfabbione: mind throwing me a +o until one of the regular ops unidles?09:45
somerville32fabbione, He was just doing it minutes ago. 09:45
fabbionemneptok: not at all.. not sure chanserv will allow you09:45
mneptokfabbione: we'll see. i'll annoy Seveas later.09:46
mneptok(well, "annoy more than usual")09:46
fabbionethere09:46
somerville32Awesome. Thanks a bunch fabbione 09:46
fabbionenp09:46
mneptokfabbione: thanks. i'll keep watch until one of the regulars unidles.09:47
fabbionemneptok: sure.. no problem man09:47
mneptokgrazie, padrone :)09:47
fabbionemneptok: non c'e' problema consigliere... e' tutto in famigghia09:48
mneptoksi ;)09:48
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cjwatson18:38 < nixternal> cjwatson: the Ubiquity crash bug I filed that you just fix released (thanks btw), is this tied to the issue I have with alternate CDs not mounting the CDROM?09:53
cjwatsonnixternal: no, different bug09:53
cjwatsonRiddell: casper-reconfigure> excellent09:56
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jdubhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ113000uQg <-- the warty dance10:05
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pitticarlos: there is no edgy-updates tarball for today10:06
carloslet me check...10:06
carlospitti: I think it's still running...10:07
fabbionejdub: OH MEN10:07
pitticarlos: oh10:07
pitticarlos: shall I move the cronjobs to a later hour then? It currently runs at 0700 rookery time10:08
carlospitti: yeah, still running10:08
pitticarlos: alright, will check later then; thanks10:08
carlospitti: I don't really know why... I have mine running at 8:45 (it should be rookery time too)10:08
fabbionejdub: how drunk were we?10:09
pitticarlos: oh, then I better move it to 1000 or so, otherwise I'll always use an old tarball10:09
carlospitti: let me check again when the DB is ready and I will move my script start10:09
pitticarlos: that's even better; thanks10:09
carlospitti: atm, Edgy tarball finishes around 9:3010:09
somerville32Is that mdz in the middle?10:09
fabbionesomerville32: yes10:10
mneptokthat cross-dressing woman on the right is *hot*10:11
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fabbionemneptok: ahaha10:11
somerville32It is really too bad that I don't have sound with flash :/10:11
somerville32jdub: Whose the girl in the Ubuntu Videogram Screentest?10:13
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jdubsomerville32: you're not willing to guess? :)10:13
mneptok"Flash technolgies allow the seamless delivery of media-rich content to an arbitrary selection of platforms!"10:13
mneptokPIA! *WAUGH*!10:14
somerville32jdub: I rather not, lol10:14
mneptok*F I N I S H   H I M*10:14
cjwatsonMithrandir: ubiquity's in the queue now10:20
Mithrandircjwatson: excellent.  I'll byhand the publisher once this run finishes.10:21
jdubhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoqZEZuUzhI <- hotel at first super secret debian startup meeting :-)10:21
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somerville32...10:22
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Mithrandirpitti: is the new gnome-mount needed for herd 2?  It doesn't look like it.10:28
pittiMithrandir: no, not crucial, thus I didn't ping you10:29
pittibut I wanted to upload it so that I don't forget it10:29
pittican't hurt, of course, fixes two bugs10:29
Mithrandiroh, sure, it might be useful, but I'll leave it for now10:30
pittiack10:30
fabbionecjwatson: 10:33
fabbione   * Track silo-installer 1.07ubuntu2 changes (install device2obp, tweak10:33
fabbione     PATH).10:33
fabbioneis there anything i can do in silo-installer to make it less manual for you?10:34
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somerville32It appears the gtk2.0+ update has some serious regressions10:39
somerville32https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/7866510:39
UbugtuMalone bug 78665 in gtk+2.0 "FEISTY: libgtk2.0 upgrade broke things in gtk apps such as mousepad and gedit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  10:39
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carlospitti: I'm running my script now at 6:00 10:53
carlosthat should be 6:00 UTC10:53
carlos2 hours and 45 earlier than before10:54
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dholbachMithrandir: the libgda2 is not urgent11:08
Mithrandirkthx.11:08
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dholbachon the ppc server cd it fails to mount the CD :-(11:14
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cjwatsonfabbione: not really; I generally have to track changes to included source packages in ubiquity. it's not a problem11:15
fabbionecjwatson: ok.11:15
Mithrandirdholbach: that's fixed in the new d-i upload, but something went screwed there between the package and the archive, so building CDs fail on i386.11:19
dholbachMithrandir: ahh thanks. I'll install edgy for now, so mvo can do some tests and try herd2 tomorrow again11:20
pittibtw, folks, I have been on ISDN all the day, so I cannot help with CD testing today; I'll start doing so as soon as my main network is back (I reported the problem this morning)11:20
gpocentekXubuntu daily-live i386 worked fine, except bug #7797811:22
UbugtuMalone bug 77978 in ubiquity "Crash before partitioning" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7797811:22
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mvoMithrandir: we do not test the server in Testing/Current ?11:26
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incorrectwhere would be the right place to talk about backports especially prevu ?11:28
Mithrandirmvo: we don't?  It's on the list, see ubuntu 10, 11, 11.111:29
mvooh, sorry11:29
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Mithrandir:-)11:29
somerville32gpocentek, Do you know why there isn't there an Xubuntu test page?11:29
gpocenteksomerville32: because we didn't wrote it?11:30
somerville32We're so slack ;] 11:30
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gpocentek:)11:31
cjwatsongpocentek: d'oh, thanks11:31
cjwatsonMithrandir: fix for 77978 is needed for Herd 2 IMO11:31
somerville32gpocentek, I'm going to whip something up11:31
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cjwatsonMithrandir: so I wouldn't stress about publishing the current ubiquity in accepted11:32
gpocenteksomerville32: thanks!11:33
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Mithrandircjwatson: oh well, ok.11:34
Mithrandircjwatson: can you do the fix and get it uploaded then?11:34
MithrandirI'll just turn the publisher back on auto again.11:34
cjwatsonyeah, working on it11:35
maxbpitti: Hello. I found your contact info via launchpad. Would you possibly be able to review and give your opinion on apache2 bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/62748 when you have a moment? Thanks!11:38
UbugtuMalone bug 62748 in subversion "2.0.55-4ubuntu4 update causes svn failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]  11:38
pittimaxb: not really my speciality (rather Mithrandir's), but I can have a look11:39
maxbah, right, just found you as uploader. Thanks for looking, though11:42
pittiwell, I was the poor soul that requested the sync, yes :)11:43
cjwatsonblink, something's very weird with python's tarfile module11:44
cjwatsonMithrandir: this d-i unpack thing is reproducible11:45
Mithrandircjwatson: crack.11:45
Mithrandirjust what we needed.  Good thing it's not release. :-)11:45
cjwatsontar.list() genuinely does stop at that point11:45
cjwatsonthere's another bug in the d-i handler I've noticed, but that's not this problem11:46
pittilast time I reported a tarfile bug upstream, it got fixed within a day, but I guess that doesn't really help us now11:46
MithrandirI wonder why this suddenly surfaced with ubuntu10.11:46
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cjwatsonpossibly because the names all got longer11:46
cjwatsonthe tar format gets strange for long names11:47
cjwatsonwell, I say "the" tar format. pick one.11:47
Mithrandirno longer than debian-installer_20060711ubuntu13, which presumably worked.11:48
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cjwatsonmight have been an upgrade since then? dunno11:50
Mithrandiroh, true, drescher was dapperised some time back, wasn't it?11:51
cjwatsonI'm waiting for it to download so that I can test it a bit more thoroughly11:51
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pittimaxb: doesn't tell anything to me; is it still an issue in feisty with apache 2.2?11:53
cjwatsonMithrandir: I'd suggest leaving the publisher on byhand for the moment, TBH11:55
maxbI don't know. I don't really have a spare machine around to install feisty on to check.11:56
Mithrandircjwatson: ok, disabled again11:56
maxbAs far as the launchpad bug is concerned, I was really hoping for some sort of semi-official comment along the lines of "This is bad, we'll consider an edgy update" or "Oops, but we don't have the resources to test a stable update properly now that the world has moved on to apache 2.2"11:58
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cjwatsonmaxb: I'd consider that for a stable update, if a core developer took it up and ran with it12:00
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dholbachMithrandir: the vte update is nice to have, but not urgent either12:03
cjwatsonMithrandir: ubiquity 1.3.10 in unapproved12:06
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maxbIn an ideal world, there'd be an apache2 stable update, but I can certainly respect that re-familiarising with apache 2.0 in order to do the necessary testing might be more trouble than it's worth. Either way it'd be nice to have an acknowledgement in the bug noting what the decision is.12:07
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Mithrandircjwatson: accepted; I'll byhand the publisher now12:15
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RiddellMithrandir: the CD build this morning didn't do kubuntu feisty desktop i386?12:34
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MithrandirRiddell: no, we found an interesting bug in python which made it blow up.12:35
MithrandirRiddell: and ubiquity went AWOL in the queue, so until that's published, no need to test.12:35
pitticarlos: no ru tsclient.po in today's edgy-updates tarball :(12:37
geserMithrandir: before I close bug #78550: are you happy with the description now?12:37
UbugtuMalone bug 78550 in gnome-chemistry-utils "incorrect description" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7855012:37
carlospitti: fucking cache bug...12:38
carlospitti: let me check with danilo whether he fixed that bug. I thought that wouldn't affect us, but seems like I'm wrong...12:38
Mithrandirgeser: sure, looks good to me12:38
HobbseeMithrandir: blowing up python bugs?  COOL!!!12:39
somerville32gpocentek, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current12:39
geserMithrandir: could you please give-back gchempaint? thanks12:40
MithrandirHobbsee: you have to love the tar file formats.12:40
HobbseeMithrandir: yep :P12:40
Mithrandirgeser: given-back.12:40
MithrandirHobbsee: who needs more than 100-char long file names anyway?12:40
HobbseeMithrandir: hehe, exactly12:41
Hobbseeis jono the only moderator for ubuntu-devel?12:41
elmono, the whole distro team is12:41
Hobbseeoh right.  if they could approve my post, i'd be greatful12:41
henoMithrandir: what is the canonical place to notify people to start testing new builds? the wiki page, this chan?12:44
henoI mean Herd candidates12:44
carlospitti: could you wait until tomorrow to do the language pack upload?12:44
pitticarlos: sure12:44
carlospitti: seems like later today, the cache problem would be deployed in the server where we generate language packs12:45
carlosso tomorrow you would get fixed language packs12:45
pitticarlos: ok, I'll check out tomorrow's12:45
Mithrandirheno: I tend to ask for testing here, but it's not an ideal place.12:46
MithrandirHobbsee: approved.12:46
carlospitti: thank you12:46
henoMithrandir: perhaps we need a testing-announce list12:46
HobbseeMithrandir: thanks.  i'm still figting with LP over emails, and accepted stuff.12:46
gpocenteksomerville32: great, thanks12:46
HobbseeMithrandir: apparently not all the addresses on the keys of -dev and -core-dev are allowed to post, just those in LP12:47
Mithrandirheno: email is kinda async, often images are like "please test $image" then five minutes later "or not, it's broken like $blah".12:47
henoright12:47
henoMithrandir: the testing wiki page is kept reasonably up to date though right?12:48
somerville32gpocentek, np12:48
henoIt should in theory always list the latest candidates12:49
Mithrandirheno: yes.12:49
Mithrandirheno: but it sometimes (like now) lists candidates that, well, aren't.  If people start caring about the versions there and taking them as cues to when to begin testing, I'll try to remove versions when they're known-broken12:50
henocool, or mark them as known broken in some way until a new one is actually built, whatever12:51
somerville32elmo: Is there anyway I could check the status of my rt ticket?12:53
elmosomerville32: the RT interface isn't public I'm afraid, but you can ask a sysadmin, here on #canonical-sysadmin12:56
ograMithrandir, is there a blocking reason why there are no new edubuntu isos or are they just not there because i didnt request them yet ? 12:56
Mithrandirogra: they're not there because d-i is fucked ATM.  I could spin you livefs-es.12:57
Mithrandir(that was a question even with the lack of a question mark)12:57
ograif they are known to be half way sane 12:58
MithrandirI believe they are12:58
ograthen shoot :)12:58
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cjwatsoner01:00
cjwatsonMithrandir: Edubuntu needs the same ubiquity fix as is pending publication now ...01:00
cjwatsonso livefses will need to be rebuilt anyway01:00
cjwatsonMithrandir: d-i is happy now01:01
cjwatsonmodulo mirroring and stuff01:01
ograMithrandir, uhm ... seems my edubuntu-meta upload from yesterday didnt end up on the CD ...01:01
ogracolins daily CD report still shows schooltool and lilo as broken ...01:02
cjwatsondid you get a mail acknowledgement for it01:02
ogradrop the CDs for now, i have to look whats wrong after the edubuntu meeting01:02
cjwatson?01:02
ograi got an accepted mail ...01:02
ograTo: ogra@ubuntu.com, feisty-changes@lists.ubuntu.com01:02
ograSubject: Accepted edubuntu-meta 1.23 (source)01:02
cjwatsonit should end up on the next round of CDs, then01:02
cjwatsonmight not have been in the previous round, but that isn't important01:03
ogralooked fine to me01:03
Mithrandircjwatson: press reload in your web browser.01:03
Mithrandirs/cjwatson/ogra/01:03
Mithrandircjwatson: ah, point.01:03
ograMithrandir, i'm getting the cd healthreport by mail ...01:03
cjwatsonogra: the mailed report was based on CDs that don't matter any more01:03
ograah, ok01:03
cjwatsonwho cares if it wasn't on the *last* one :-)01:03
LureMithrandir: is it known that kubuntu daily-live i386 is missing?01:03
ograthen ignore my previous words :)01:04
cjwatsonLure: yes01:04
MithrandirLure: yes, it's a python bug which made a d-i upload blow up.01:04
cjwatsonLure: it should be fixed very shortly01:04
Lurecjwatson: ok, no pb will download then later01:04
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henoRiddell: are you using this page for testing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Current or just https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current01:08
Hobbseeheno: which one's better for us to use?01:08
henoI'd like to put them all on the form https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/*buntu01:08
henoso there is some consistency01:08
Hobbseeheno: sure, OK01:09
henoI'll move it there and just put a forward01:09
henoRiddell: please ACK when you are around ^01:09
Riddellheno: second one01:09
Riddellheno: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current is the one I'd expect to be used01:10
henoRiddell: ok, I'm about to splitt that up into separate *buntus01:10
HobbseeRiddell: i suspect that we're all using different sections of the wiki :P01:10
henowhich is bad :)01:10
Riddellheno: good with me01:10
henook, cool01:10
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MithrandirHobbsee: the tuxguitar licence bug seems to have been fixed in Debian, so feel free to reask for a sync.01:12
HobbseeMithrandir: right01:12
incorrectis this the right place to talk about backports especially prevu ?01:12
bhaleincorrect: probably fair enough, but you need jdub 01:12
bhaleugh01:12
bhaleyou need jdong 01:12
incorrectjdub?01:13
bhaleno.01:13
incorrectis that a package?01:13
bhalejdong is the person behind prevu01:13
Amaranthjdong is a person01:13
incorrectah01:13
incorrectsorry01:13
incorrectmy bad01:13
Lathiatppor jdong ;)01:15
Lathiat*poor01:15
incorrectsorry i didn't know :S01:15
jdubheh01:16
Hobbseeincorrect: jdong.  and not here.  we dont deal in prevucrack here01:18
Hobbsee:)01:18
incorrectwibble01:19
Hobbseewobble01:19
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Amaranthhobbsee: I thought prevucrack was official stuff now01:22
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HobbseeAmaranth: i never heard that01:23
Amaranthofficial tool of the official backports team ;)01:23
Hobbseeah01:24
Hobbseedunno about that01:24
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Amarantheither way, seems harmless enough01:24
Amaranthit just automates what the backports team does anyway, it doesn't hack packages to work on older versions or anything01:24
Hobbseeheno: i moved the content of /testing/kubuntu/current to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/Kubuntu - hope that's what you wanted to do01:25
HobbseeAmaranth: true.  i've just seen people attempt to backport crack with it :P01:25
Hobbseelike, dbus, then whine that the deps dont work01:25
Amaranthbut that crack ftbfs so it's all good :)01:26
henoHobbsee: Yes, I was merging if from Testing/Current too. I think we even had an edit conflict :)01:26
Amaranthsomeone i know tried using it to backport hal and dbus and rhythmbox to dapper for ipod support01:26
Hobbseeheno: argh, sorry!01:26
HobbseeAmaranth: yeah.  silly people.01:26
henonp01:27
HobbseeAmaranth: and someone tried to backport the feisty kernel to dapper with prevu01:27
Amaranth*headdesk*01:27
thomrofl01:27
Hobbseehehe01:28
Hobbseehey thom 01:28
HobbseeAmaranth: which is why i would suggest that they should have kept prevu private01:28
Amaranthas long as it doesn't _do_ it i don't see the harm01:28
Amaranthi think the hope is people will try it on their own before filing a bug asking for it01:29
cjwatsonit can't without archive admin approval, which wouldn't be given01:29
Hobbseecjwatson: was that related to kernels and the like?01:29
HobbseeAmaranth: true. 01:29
Amaranthalthough if they do that and it works i bet they wouldn't file a bug01:29
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Hobbseeevening sabdfl 01:44
cjwatsonHobbsee: regarding direct uploads from prevu to *-backports01:47
cjwatsoni.e. Amaranth's comment "as long as it doesn't _do_ it"01:47
Hobbseecjwatson: ahh, right01:48
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sabdflhi Hobbsee01:58
Hobbsee:)01:59
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jdubsabdfl: oh, you might dig some of the old school videos i put up on youtube -> youtube.com/jeffwaugh02:07
jdubhappy memories02:07
Treenakshttp://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/Jeff%20Waugh.ogg02:07
jduboh yeah!02:08
jdubdude, can i put that up?02:08
jdubit'll go well with the other one :)02:08
Treenaksjdub: sure02:09
sabdfljdub: damn, that JUST PLAYED!02:09
sabdfl(plus it's a cool vid ;-))02:09
jdubi think that's 'cos treenaks has something special on his site -- cortado?02:10
Treenaksjdub: no02:10
Treenaksjdub: it's just ogg files with the right mime-type02:10
sabdflis that some sort of feisty ogg player plugin we install?02:10
jdubah, so it does the proper totem plugin foo02:10
jdubyes, totem is now fully awesome02:11
Treenakssabdfl: There is a totem-firefox-plugin thing that works really great in edgy (and feisty) for me02:11
jdubit mimics quicktime and wmp02:11
jdubRAW POWER.02:11
TreenaksI'm having some sound problems on amd64 though02:13
TreenaksBut that bug is going to be fixed :)02:13
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Mithrandir*sigh*; powerpc still oversized.02:19
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EmxBA(msg sabdfl there?02:24
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EmxBA:)02:24
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HobbseeMithrandir: the biggest package?02:28
MithrandirHobbsee: ooo? :-P02:28
HobbseeMithrandir: there's a good start02:28
HobbseeMithrandir: the logic being, that if you throw off one of the biggest ones, you wont have to deal with ppc being oversized again for a long while :D02:29
MithrandirHobbsee: that's a nice theory.02:29
jdubTreenaks: hrm, what's the original date on that sucker? :)02:32
Mithrandircjwatson: got any suggestions?  I've gone through the list of changes from herd1 and there's nothing which has really changed there, just new versions, etc.02:33
alex-weejis feisty+1 LTS?02:33
alex-weejand can i order some free CD's NOW so i'm first in line? :P02:33
Mithrandiralex-weej: it has not been announced, but my personal guess is no.02:33
mneptokalex-weej: the official Canonical crystal ball is out being cleaned ATM ;)02:34
alex-weejhehe02:34
alex-weejthe printed CD's were a great way to convince would-be users that ubuntu isn't just some bedroom project02:34
mneptok(even though it is)02:36
mneptokoops. inside voice, mnep. :/02:36
Hobbseemneptok: even though it is what?02:36
thomhah.02:36
mneptokHobbsee: a "bedroom project," Miss Sexy.02:37
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Treenaksjdub: probably 2005-10-18 (as it was my birthday..)02:37
Hobbseemneptok: oh, right.  thought you were saying it was a LTS.02:37
Hobbseemneptok: and no, i'm not interested in your bedroom.02:37
mneptokit is, if LTS = Let's Talk *SEXY*!02:37
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mneptokHobbsee: you are obviously a woman of taste and discretion ;)02:38
Hobbseemneptok: :P indeed02:38
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jdubTreenaks: :)02:39
Hobbseepoor mneptok 02:39
mneptokHobbsee: my cup of insincerity is already full, but thanks anyway :)02:40
Hobbsee:P02:41
mneptokjdub: ping02:42
jdubmneptok: pong02:43
mneptokjdub: mind a /query ?02:43
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jdubmneptok: ok02:45
cjwatsonalex-weej: no future LTS schedule has been set yet02:45
Mithrandirplease test i386 and amd64 alternate ubuntu cds.02:51
Mithrandir(PPC is going for a respin soon)02:51
pittiRiddell: I'm sure that there was a bug for the recent 'hal upgrade kills automounting for users with the 3rd party KDE packages'. bug 74236 is a dup of that, but I cannot find the original one; do you happen to know it?02:52
UbugtuMalone bug 74236 in hal "Kubuntu: HAL doesn't automount USB devices on KDE 3.5.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7423602:52
Riddellpitti: https://launchpad.net/bugs/7286902:57
UbugtuMalone bug 72869 in kdebase "Latest hal update breaks USB stick mounting in kubuntu dapper kde 3.5.5" [Undecided,Confirmed]  02:57
Riddellpitti: I did make an updated hal version for that archive but the guy who was poking me never got back to confirm it02:57
pittiRiddell: ah, splendid; thank you!02:57
Keybukis there any way to start f-spot without dbus?03:00
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Mithrandir-desktop and -alternate ready, all arches.03:05
MithrandirRiddell: doing kubuntu live ISOs now, livefs-es built fine03:05
Mithrandirogra: building edubuntu livefs-es now.03:06
ograyay03:06
ograalternate isos would also be fine if they work now ...03:06
Mithrandirogra: yeah, going to once the kubuntu live ones are finished.  No point in competing for IO on lithium03:07
ograyep03:07
ograi didnt want to be pushy ;)03:07
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jdongincorrect: if you still need to talk about prevu, we can take it to #ubuntu-motu03:14
incorrectthanks jdong03:14
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MithrandirRiddell: shiny new -desktop images for you03:16
Riddellooh, thanks Mithrandir 03:16
seb128pitti: it looks like there is no -dbgsym for -proposed, is that a known "could be better"? ;)03:22
jdongwhat are the chances that feisty's HAL would work with Edgy?03:23
jdongI wanna test the patch for bug 60989 but don't have a feisty install on the particular machine03:23
UbugtuMalone bug 60989 in hal "HAL reports incorrect battery percentages" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6098903:23
MithrandirRiddell: shiny alternate too.03:23
Mithrandirogra: edubuntu install spinning03:23
Riddellbling bling03:24
Hobbseebling!03:24
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Mithrandirogra: install CDs for you; please test.03:33
bddebianHeya03:34
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henoMithrandir: Mind if I move the Ubuntu matrix to a sub-page too or is this a bad time?03:44
Mithrandirheno: feel free03:45
bddebianMithrandir: Hi, sorry bug you again, but I'm not sure if you ever got a chance to get back to me about what to do about libparagui?03:45
Mithrandirbddebian: you need to make sure the LGPL and the GPL are in the orig.tar.gz.03:46
Mithrandireasiest way is to get upstream to add them03:46
bddebianThat's what I was afraid of.  Thanks.  They just need to add it to COPYING?03:47
Mithrandiriirc, the copying file there was nonexistent or just contained the gpl blurb, didn't it?03:47
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bddebianAye, just gpl03:48
pittijdong: just building the source on edgy should work03:48
Mithrandirif it goes in a new file or COPYING or LICENCE or something else isn't something I care that much about.  The main point it needs to be there.03:48
pittiseb128: it seems that the relevant buildd chroot does not have pkg-create-dbgsym installed03:48
Mithrandirogra: live images ready too03:49
seb128pitti: iz infinity bog then? ;)03:49
pittiseb128: yes03:49
seb128ok, ta03:49
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ogra_Mithrandir, TA, rsyncing ...03:51
jdongpitti: ok, cool, thanks03:52
jdong -> Cannot install libvolume-id-dev;03:53
jdongwhat's the edgy name for that again?03:53
jdonglibvolumeid-dev, nvm03:54
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iwjseb128: Have you seen the mails between Tim Mueller and me ?  I wondered if you had a comment about what order to ship this stuff in.03:59
crimsunMithrandir: please respin xubuntu (daily + daily-live) at your convenience, thank you04:01
seb128iwj: hi, yes, I've read those mails. The logical order seems to be to patch gstreamer0.10 and gst-plugins-base0.10 fisrt. Then g-a-i, totem, etc can be updated04:02
seb128no?04:02
jdongpitti: the hal patch works, awesome :)04:03
pittijdong: !04:03
pittijdong: that's great04:03
RiddellMithrandir: the kubuntu desktop CDs don't seem to have cjwatson's casper patch04:03
seb128slomo: around? 04:03
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jdongpitti: heck yeah, you bet it is :) no more rebuilding hal for us :)04:03
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jdongpitti: is the patch trivial enough for a SRU?04:03
pittijdong: not really trivial04:04
seb128iwj: we should probably do a CVS snapshot for gstreamer and gst-plugins-base0.10, that's the easiest way04:04
jdong:(04:04
jdongpitti: how often does HAL get hit with some sort of security bug04:04
seb128iwj: we will have new version before feisty so that's not an issue to have a snapshot packaged for now04:04
pittijdong: no security updates so far04:05
jdongok, cool04:05
jdongwell, it needed a libvolumeid-dev build-dep rename04:05
jdongso a developer has to upload it to edgy-backports04:05
pittijdong: but the issue is that intrusive patches need proper testing, so if you think about sneaking in the patch into some security update, I have to disappoint you04:05
jdongno, I wasn't thinking to sneak it into a security update04:05
jdongI was more weighing on the risks of backporting it04:06
pittiah, I see04:06
pittijdong: I can add the alternative build-dep if you want me04:06
jdongpitti: yes, that'd be very helpful, thanks :)04:06
pittijdong: I have some fixes pending in bzr head anyway, I'll upload them after the herd-2 freeze04:06
jdongcool04:07
iwjseb128: OK.  Do you want to do that or do you want to leave it to me ?  If you have a standard approach it's probably better if you do it, but I'm happy to attack it myself.04:07
geserMithrandir: Please give-back kdesvn. Thanks04:07
iwjOK, I give up.  How do I do, in Python, the equivalent of strtoul(,,0) ?04:07
pittijdong: libvolume-id-dev | libvolumeid-dev -> that looks correct?04:07
seb128iwj: I can do it04:07
iwjseb128: Thanks very much.04:07
seb128np04:07
jdongpitti: yes sir04:08
seb128I've to upload the libgimme-codec thing too04:08
iwjDo we have local patches to gstreamer packages ?04:08
Hobbseewho would i ask about libdvdread3?04:08
iwjWe need to add dh_gstscancodecs to gstreamer-tools.04:08
iwjdh_gstscancodecs> currently sat around on my disk here.04:09
pittijdong: committed; thanks for testing!04:09
jdongno prob :)04:09
Riddellgeser: what's up with kdesvn?04:09
slomoseb128: one moment04:09
NafalloHobbsee: ask and see who answers? :-)04:09
seb128iwj: not that many, we have a few of them for ltsp and sinks priorities to use by example04:10
seb128adding a new patch is fine04:10
geserRiddell: the last try to build failed because subversion was old04:10
seb128iwj: could you mail me that patch?04:10
iwjseb128: OK.04:10
ogra_seb128, i belive the ltsp gstreamer patches are actually dropped now ...04:10
HobbseeNafallo: true.  trying to see if there's any interest in it.  (keeping one of our patches, instead of saying "if you want libdvdcss2, use an unofficial repo, like debian multimedia)04:11
NafalloHobbsee: I like that script back fwiw ;-)04:11
ogra_(if now, we can drop them as soon as pulse is approved for main and moved)04:11
seb128ogra_: that was some random example, the point is that we have a few patches and having an extra one is no problem :)04:11
ogra_s/now/not/04:11
ogra_seb128, yeah ...04:11
slomoogra_, seb128: the only patches left are priority setting of sinks... i.e. pulse > alsadmix > esd > alsa ...04:11
HobbseeNafallo: me too -but i didnt want to reintroduce it without someone saying something about it first.  besides, i'd need a sponsor04:11
seb128slomo: ok04:12
ogra_slomo, well, i'm not yet sure if i use plain pulse or pulses alsa emulation layer for ltsp ... probably the pulse stuff can be dropped as well04:12
slomooh, and a patch for biarch by doko04:12
seb128slomo: ok04:13
iwjseb128: YHM.04:13
slomoogra_: well it makes sense this way even if you don't use pulse imho... as people who have pulse isntalled will get this used, other's don't see a difference04:13
crimsunogra_: I'd have a wishlist request for pulse that I'll work on shortly (fixing .desktop Comments and) possibly hiding the unnecessary components04:13
iwjseb128: Also we have to change some of the gstreamer plugin packages to call dh_gstscancodecs.04:13
ogra_crimsun, great ...04:13
iwjThe only one which g-a-i can install atm is -ugly, and I have a tiny diff for that.  Do you want that too ?04:14
sivangdh_getscancodecs... yummy04:14
seb128slomo: we need CVS snapshots for gstreamer0.10 gst-plugins-base0.10 and some patching, I'll work on that if that's fine with you04:14
iwjs/getscan/gstscan/04:14
ogra_slomo, well, i'm only saying that i wont be the one that forces the patches to stay for ltsp :)04:14
seb128iwj: yes please04:14
slomoseb128: sure, that's fine04:15
crimsunogra_: how does hiding the menu entries for most desktop entries (since one really only needs the applet) sound to you?04:15
seb128slomo: ok, thank you04:15
ogra_crimsun, how evil do you consider using /etc/asound.conf with 04:15
ogra_pcm.!default {04:15
ogra_        type pulse04:15
ogra_}04:15
ogra_ctl.!default {04:15
ogra_        type pulse04:15
ogra_}04:15
ogra_??04:15
ogra_crimsun, sounds good ...04:15
slomoseb128: but be aware that the cvs snapshots use -Werror... might be that stuff fails to build on some archs or after some random library update, no idea04:16
crimsunogra_: not at all evil; that's what I added (well, per-user) to asoundconf in the most recent alsa-utils upload04:16
iwjseb128: Oh, re that patch: since it edits a Makefile.am you have to run automake too.04:16
ogra_ah, cool but we wont have a package providing a system /etc/asound.conf ?04:16
seb128slomo: don't worry, I've already packaged CVS snapshots and that's feisty, we can fix things ;)04:16
iwjseb128: But the patch I sent you doesn't include the results of running automake.04:16
crimsunogra_: currently we don't; asoundconf only touches per-user asoundrcs and not the system-wide /etc/asound.conf04:17
seb128iwj: ok, noted04:17
ogra_crimsun, perfect ... then ltsp-client can install it in the client chroot and i'm set :)04:17
crimsunogra_: great :)04:17
crimsunogra_: oh, that will require the promotion of libasound2-plugins, btw04:17
ogra_oki, i'll wirte a MIR04:18
crimsungreat, thanks!04:18
ogra_*write04:18
iwjseb128: YHAM04:18
ogra_crimsun, eeek ... "Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.12), libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.101.1) ..."04:19
crimsunogra_: hmm, that's kinda nasty, since it pulls in libjack0.100.0-dev04:19
ogra_can we compile it without jack without breaking it ? 04:19
seb128iwj: "YHAM"? what does that one mean? ;)04:20
crimsunogra_: we could try dropping the jack plugin04:20
ogra_i'll do a test compile if i'm done with iso testing04:20
iwjYou Have Another Mail :-).04:20
seb128ah ok ;)04:20
iwjseb128: Thanks for your help.04:21
seb128np04:21
dholbachcan we make a new policy: everybody who uses an abbreviation and it's not in /usr/bin/wtf will patch bsdgames to include it? ok? ;-)04:21
seb128I'll have a look on that and let you know if I need anything else04:21
iwjseb128: Right.04:21
iwjseb128: (I'm not very IRC-attentive right now so if you don't get me on IRC try email or feel free to phone +44 1223 561028 and we can continue on IRC or I can phone you back.)04:22
seb128iwj; ok, noted, thank you04:22
Nafallodholbach: is it in universe? ;-)04:22
dholbachNafallo: yes04:23
Nafallonice :-)04:23
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ogra_feisty-live-i386.iso            10-Jan-2007 14:42  699M 04:34
ogra_geez, i didnt even notice that ... living on the edge :)04:35
crimsunogra_: http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins_1.0.13-3ubuntu1_source.changes  (builds & works fine)04:35
ogra_crimsun, do you think we need to split the package to still provide an libasound2-plugins-jack ?04:36
ogra_or do we simply not care ? 04:36
ogra_(i personally don care, but ubuntustudio might get unhappy)04:36
henojdong: see new version of the testing guide04:37
henohttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33112304:37
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crimsunogra_: I'll have a chat with the ubuntustudio folks; I don't see the jack alsa-lib plugin being all that serious since jackd -d alsa -d hw:foo would be used anyway, bypassing said plugin04:37
ogra_ah, cool ...04:37
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iwjToday's my day for programming questions.  Maybe some pygtk expert can help me.  I have a program which is basically a subclass of SimpleGladeApp.  I want to be able to set it to be transient for some other application whose XID I know.04:44
iwjI can find the gtk.Window for the application and call set_transient_for, but gtk.Window.set_transient_for expects a gtk.Window.04:44
iwjI can make a gtk.gdk.Window out of an XID with gtk.gdk.window_foreign_new.04:44
iwjBut I don't seem to be able to (1) find the gtk.gdk.Window inside a gtk.Window or (2) construct a gtk.Window which is just a wrapper around a gtk.gdk.Window.04:45
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jc-dentonhi all04:46
jc-dentonhi all04:47
jc-dentoni tried to compile 2.6.19 with the ubuntu .config04:47
jc-dentonhowever it does not find the root fs04:47
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jc-dentoni thought first that i just have to compile the ide driver in the kernel instead of as module04:48
pittijc-denton: you need a matching initramfs04:48
jc-dentoni think so too04:48
jc-dentonhow can i do that04:48
jc-dentoni never used initramfs04:48
pittijc-denton: or additionally compile in the file systems you need04:48
pittijc-denton: but that's really an #ubuntu question, btw04:48
pittijc-denton: please look at update-initramfs(8) and followup in #ubuntu04:49
jc-dentonah the file systems are also as module04:49
jc-dentonheh04:49
jc-dentonthx04:50
jc-dentoni just ask here04:50
jc-dentoncos people on #ubuntu don't have a clue normally04:50
jc-dentonext2 and 3 is in the kernel04:50
cjwatsoniwj: (1) there's a gtk.gdk.Window for each widget, so it's listed in the gtk.Widget docs04:52
cjwatsoniwj: .window attribute on the widget (including the top-level gtk.Window if you like)04:52
cjwatsoniwj: for (2), gtk.Plug may help, although I don't recall whether set_transient_for works properly with a Plug as the parent; try it and see :-)04:57
cjwatsonbut certainly Plug is the way to get at window IDs from other processes in terms of GTK widgets04:58
cjwatsonbut failing that, perhaps w.window.set_transient_for(gtk.gdk.Window) will DTRT well enoughh04:59
iwjgtk.Widget.window> Oh, yes, that's exactly what I want.04:59
cjwatsonenough04:59
iwjI think it will, yes.05:00
iwjPlug is obviously not the right answer.  If I tell it to make the window transient for a Plug then it'll probably eat its own small intestine after crawling through the large intestine.05:00
iwjspammers--05:01
cjwatsongiggle, although Plug is not entirely broken since ubiquity uses it05:03
cjwatsonI have seen transience issues there, but it was the other way round - I was trying to make child windows of the Socket end up properly transient on the Plug05:04
iwjI had to call w.realize() but that hardly seems too bad.05:09
mvo_iwj: SoftwareProperties.py has a example for the tranisent stuff you need, but it seems you have figured it all out already :)05:12
crimsunogra_: splitting the source is my recommended approach upon consultation with the UbuntuStudio and JACK devs (to avoid a feature regression)05:12
MithrandirRiddell: that'd be weird05:13
RiddellMithrandir: the alternate CD says no kernel modules found05:14
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MagiqueMhi all05:14
MithrandirRiddell: are you sure you're grabbing the latest ones?05:14
MagiqueMwhere can i find ubuntu kernel patches?05:15
MagiqueMi mean the patches that ubuntu ships with its kernel05:15
kylemMagiqueM, www.kernel.org/git/05:15
MagiqueMthanks a lot05:15
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MagiqueMthat page takes a lot to load :)05:18
RiddellMithrandir: definately synced to daily/current and daily-live/current05:18
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RiddellMithrandir: casper-reconfigure still has "echo "$0: package '$package' is not installed" without the needed redirect05:19
RiddellMithrandir: I don't see an upload of casper in feisty-changes05:19
Mithrandirnobody has asked for an upload of casper; I saw you needed a new ubiquity.05:20
MagiqueMkylem: it tells me "Generating......" but nothing happens05:20
MagiqueMnor www.kernel.org works :(05:21
RiddellMithrandir: kubuntu (and xubuntu I guess) need cjwatson's latest change to casper, could you upload it?05:21
MithrandirRiddell: which bug # is this?05:22
RiddellMithrandir: it doesn't have a bug number as far as I know05:25
kylemMagiqueM, try www2.kernel.org/git05:25
MithrandirRiddell: what's the bug, then?05:25
RiddellMithrandir: if casper-reconfigure is called on a package that isn't installed it outputs an error message to debconf which gets confused, it needs redirected to stderr05:26
RiddellMithrandir: it's a 1 line commit to casper by cjwatson05:26
Mithrandirhmm05:29
MithrandirI wonder why we haven't seen that before.05:29
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iwjmvo_: Thanks :-).05:33
iwjmvo: Would you care to take a look at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/bzr/gnome-app-install--codecs/ ?  (Pushing as I write.)05:34
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jdubha ha --05:34
iwjI haven't given it a thorough test yet - in particular I worry that I might have regressed the MIME stuff and I haven't tested it.05:34
MithrandirRiddell: I'm on my way out the door, I'll do it in a couple of hours.05:34
iwjBut I thought that since I had something which at least doesn't bomb immediately with a syntax error I should pass it on.05:34
iwjJesus H Christ!  80Mb!05:35
mvo_iwj: I'm happy to have a look, let me know when the push finished05:36
iwjI'm going to do some thing with rsync or something first.  An 80Mb upload with bzr push won't finish any time soon.05:36
ogra_crimsun, ok05:37
mvo_ok05:37
cjwatsonMithrandir: I mentioned it yesterday on IRC but you may have missed it05:41
MagiqueMi can't find ubuntu kernel patches...05:41
cjwatsonMithrandir: I think we have seen it before, but only intermittently05:41
MagiqueMwhere can i find them?05:41
cjwatsonMithrandir: I've certainly heard of similar issues before, but this was the first time I figured out the cause05:41
MagiqueM???05:49
MagiqueMkylem i can't find ubuntu patches there05:49
MagiqueM:(05:50
iwjmvo_: That upload has finished.06:00
mvo_iwj: I'm bzr getting it now06:00
RiddellMithrandir: powerpc also complains about no kernel modules.  my seeds and meta package are up to date06:03
RiddellMithrandir: alternate CD that is06:03
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MagiqueMdoes Ubuntu kernel have some cpu-related patches applied?06:05
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MagiqueMnone answering?06:13
iwjmvo_: I'm going to go and catch the train to climbing soon, so if you want to talk about my crazy g-a-i changes send me mail or catch me tomorrow.06:14
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mvo_iwj: ok. have fun climbing!06:15
mvo_bzr is stll checking out06:15
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iwjHeh.06:16
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iwjmvo_: Thanks, and goodnight.06:18
cjwatsonMagiqueM: you could always get the Ubuntu source package (apt-get source linux-source-2.6.17, or whatever version is appropriate) and diff it against the corresponding upstream kernel yourself06:33
cjwatsonRiddell: argh, somebody forgot to update the installer seed ...06:33
cjwatsonfabbione: you need to update the installer seed when you change the kernel version in debian-installer06:34
cjwatsonnote for the future06:34
Riddellcjwatson: at least it's not me going mad then06:34
MagiqueMcjwatson: but is simplier to have a diff file or a patch-set06:35
Keybukaren't all the ubuntu changes under ubuntu/ now?06:35
cjwatsonMagiqueM: for 2.6.17, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-10.33.diff.gz06:35
cjwatsonit's not packaged that way for all kernel versions (for some of them it's just a .tar.gz)06:36
cjwatsonKeybuk: only new drivers06:36
MagiqueMthanks a lot06:36
Keybukalternatively just use git?06:36
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fabbionecjwatson: i see .. ok.. they were not updated since .19-7 and we did have a .20-X installer..06:37
cjwatsonfabbione: which you uploaded :)06:37
fabbionehem.. no06:37
fabbionedebian-installer (20061102ubuntu7) feisty; urgency=low06:37
fabbione  * Move to 2.6.20-2 kernels.06:37
fabbione  * Add block-modules and message-modules to hd-media images.06:37
fabbione -- Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com>  Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:02:03 +000006:37
fabbioneso i did grep for -20-2 and there was no match06:37
fabbioneanyway06:37
fabbionenoted :)06:37
cjwatsonah, true, I missed it that time06:38
cjwatsonyou uploaded the switch to 20-5, though. :)06:38
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cjwatsonanyway, done now06:38
cjwatsonRiddell: please merge?06:38
Riddellcjwatson: doing06:38
cjwatsonogra_: ^--06:38
cjwatsonI'll do Xubuntu I gues06:38
cjwatsons06:38
gpocentekcjwatson: will do06:38
gpocentek(xubuntu)06:38
cjwatsongpocentek: ah, thank you06:38
cjwatsonI forgot you'd changed nick06:38
MagiqueMcjwatson: does diff.gz it contain the applied patch list?06:39
cjwatsonMagiqueM: well, I don't know where else it'd go. but please don't ask such questions here; this is a developer coordination channel06:39
cjwatsonpeople asking questions here are expected to be developers and to have done extensive research themselves already06:39
MagiqueMi googled a lot before aking here06:40
RiddellMagiqueM: #ubuntu-motu for packaging questions06:40
MagiqueM*asking06:40
cjwatsonMagiqueM: research> e.g. reading and understanding the structure of the .diff.gz06:40
MagiqueMok i'll try06:40
MagiqueMthanks06:40
cjwatsonI'm sorry, but we need to keep this channel reasonably clear06:41
MagiqueMi understand06:41
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Riddellcjwatson: merged06:45
cjwatsonthanks06:47
gpocentekcjwatson: xubuntu merged too06:48
cjwatsonthanks; I'll do Edubuntu for expediency's sake06:49
cjwatsonogra_: cancel the above ping; I've merged the Edubuntu seeds06:50
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mvo_can someone of archive-admins please reject my app-install-data-commercial upload to edgy-proposed? there is a minor bit missing07:00
mvo_nevermind07:01
cjwatsonmvo_: it got auto-rejected anyway because you uploaded source+binary07:01
mvo_yes, just got the mail 07:01
Riddellcjwatson: can I respin kubuntu alternate CDs?07:04
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cjwatsonRiddell: yes, the HTTP mirror on bazaar.launchpad.net has updated so it's safe07:07
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Riddellcjwatson: done kubuntu, should I do u, ed and xubuntu too?07:17
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ubuntu-l1nuxHey all07:23
ubuntu-l1nuxI have a problem07:23
ubuntu-l1nuxAnyone can help me?07:24
azeemubuntu-l1nux: please ask in #ubuntu07:24
jdongheno: that looks beautiful07:24
ubuntu-l1nuxHmm, it is a kernel problem. Is there any kernel room here?07:25
jdongheno: I actually would not advise opening that thread up for any commenting; in about 2 days you'll have 20 pages07:25
jdongubuntu-l1nux: if there was a ubuntu kernel channel, what would you name it?07:25
henojdong: hm, ok so a separate questions thread then07:26
ubuntu-l1nuxjdong: ubuntu-ker?07:26
jdongheno: right. Keep the directions clean and clear07:26
cjwatsonRiddell: sure, please do07:28
ogra_cjwatson, thanks07:34
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Riddellubuntu alternate CDs done07:44
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Riddellgpocentek: xubuntu alternate CDs done07:52
gpocentekRiddell: thanks07:52
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Riddellogra_: edubuntu done07:58
ogra_thanks !07:59
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Mithrandircjwatson: hm.  Do you think we need new ubuntu livefs-es too, then?08:34
Keybuksomeone name me an editor that breaks hardlinks, or has an option to turn it on08:34
MithrandirKeybuk: doesn't emacs?08:34
Keybuknot by default, afaict08:34
KeybukI get IN_CREATE(.#wibble) ... IN_MODIFY(wibble) ... IN_DELETE (.#wibble)08:35
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elmoKeybuk: vi is traditionally the one that does08:35
maxbI just tried vim. It did not.08:35
elmohang on, what?08:37
elmoemacs does break hardlinks08:37
elmoat least here08:38
Keybukisn't here08:39
Keybuk-rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 75 2007-01-10 19:38 wibble08:39
Keybuk-rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 75 2007-01-10 19:38 wobble08:39
Keybukstill hardlinked to each other08:39
elmo-rw-r--r-- 1 james james  9 Jan 10 19:38 bar08:39
elmo-rw-r--r-- 2 james james 19 Jan 10 19:37 foo08:39
mjg59elmo: You were looking for me earlier?08:40
Keybukweird08:40
elmomjg59: yeah, do you have a macbook pro?08:41
mjg59Nope08:41
mjg59No Apple portables08:41
elmoduh08:41
mjg59I've got an iMac that's supposed to be going to Colin when he has time to look at it08:41
maxbKeybuk: vim's behaviour can be controlled with the backupcopy option.08:42
Keybukmaxb: changing it made no difference08:43
Keybukit still didn't break the hardlink08:43
maxbThe docs say it should, and it did for me. What exactly did you do?08:44
Keybukln /tmp/foo/wibble /tmp/foo/wobble08:46
Keybukvi /tmp/foo/wibble08:46
Keybuk:se backupcopy=auto,breakhardlink08:46
Keybukedited some thing08:46
Keybuk:w08:46
Keybukstill hardlinked to each other08:46
maxbworksforme08:47
Keybukflat out doesn't for me08:48
Keybukyou using feisty?08:48
maxbedgy08:49
Keybukdoesn't work on dapper or edgy for me either08:50
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Keybukpaperboy scott% ls -l /tmp/foo08:51
Keybuktotal 8.0K08:51
Keybuk-rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 29 2007-01-10 19:49 wibble08:51
Keybuk-rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 29 2007-01-10 19:49 wobble08:51
Keybukpaperboy scott% vi --cmd ":se backupcopy=auto,breakhardlink" /tmp/foo/wibble08:51
Keybukpaperboy scott% ls -l /tmp/foo                                              08:51
Keybuktotal 8.0K08:51
Keybuk-rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 36 2007-01-10 19:51 wibble08:51
Keybuk-rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 36 2007-01-10 19:51 wobble08:51
gpocentekyay, xubuntu daily iso is OK (amd64) :)08:52
cjwatsonMithrandir: the installer seed doesn't affect livefses08:53
cjwatsonmjg59: re the imac, it's blocked until I get my car repaired; sorry for forgetting to tell you08:54
cjwatsonmjg59: with any luck that'll be worted out tomorrow08:54
cjwatsoner, sorted08:54
mjg59cjwatson: Yeah, no problem08:54
mjg59cjwatson: I'm leaving the country on Friday, back a week on Monday08:54
mjg59Ought to be around Friday afternoon until 4 or so08:54
cjwatsonok, I'll make sure to pick it up before then08:54
cjwatsonis it carryable, in extremis?08:54
cjwatsonI really don't actually *want* to lug a computer around Cambridge on foot, but if I have to ...08:55
Mithrandircjwatson: no, but the casper package does.08:55
cjwatsonMithrandir: oh, in that case yes08:55
mjg59cjwatson: In extremis, but I wouldn't recommend it08:56
Mithrandircjwatson: in extremis, take a cab?08:57
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cjwatsongood plan08:59
Mithrandircasper source publishing run going.09:01
Mithrandirthen I'll kick the queueu builder, then wait for it to build, then new livefs-es, then new live isos.09:01
Keybukmjg59: what flight you on?09:03
AmaranthKeybuk: that trick in your blog is evil09:03
KeybukAmaranth: gotta go with what works <g>09:04
Amaranthheh09:04
Amaranthi'll probably end up using it09:04
Amaranthbut wow09:04
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mjg59Keybuk: Singapore Airlines09:11
mjg59Whichever one arrives at 07:15 on Sunday09:11
Keybukheh, that's 25 mins after my flight leaves09:12
mjg59Leaves?09:12
KeybukI'm on a QF flight, that's probably a BA code share, but doesn't admit to being so09:13
Keybukfor Sydney09:13
mjg59Ah09:13
mjg59So you'll be there Tuesday?09:13
mjg59Or late Monday?09:13
Keybukhmm, sorry, misread you09:13
Keybukmine leaves Heathrow 0650 on Friday09:13
Keybukand arrives 1930 on Saturday (AU time)09:13
mjg59Ah, right09:13
Keybukyou have a long stop-over?09:13
mjg59Couple of hours09:14
Keybukhow come you arrive at an odd time?09:14
mjg59Leaving about 12 hours after you09:14
Keybukoh, I see09:14
Keybukduh09:14
Keybukmy brain is not in gear, clearly09:14
mjg59Worked out that if I stay awake until we hit Sinagpore and then sleep, I'll be on .au time09:14
mjg59Which is, coincidentally, roughly where I am anyway09:14
mjg59So it's all good09:14
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LaserJockis Universe also frozen for Herd 2?09:36
dsasLaserJock: No, just requires manual poking.09:37
siretartLaserJock: according to the announcement to u-d-a, no09:37
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siretartupload of ubiquity to edgy? is there a release of 6.10.1 planned?09:37
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LaserJockgnomefreak: no, I think any release can have them if it's needed09:45
Mithrandircasper binary publishing run running09:46
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sacater_hi all, just re-installed ubuntu (dont ask why :P), but i want to disable grub, how do i do it?10:07
Treenakssacater_: a) you don't want to disable grub; b) this is a development channel, please ask on #ubuntu10:08
sacater_okies10:08
sacater_ty10:08
sacater_:P10:08
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lifelessmoining10:11
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BenCcan I get an archive person to process linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 through NEW please?10:39
MithrandirBenC: is it urgent?10:43
BenCMithrandir: Oh, right, we are in freeze for Herd 2, it can wait10:44
Mithrandirthanks. :-)10:44
BenCMithrandir: are we in a state where we can do uploads and it wont bother you, or is that functionality not working yet?10:44
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MithrandirBenC: they end up in a queue where I can ignore them, so as long as you don't upload a zizzillion packages, I don't care.10:45
Mithrandirand anything to universe is just shoved through when I see it10:45
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BenCMithrandir: ok10:45
somerville32Mithrandir: Oh, can you approve pyNeighborhood then? :)10:45
Mithrandirsomerville32: no, it's not in unapproved, it's in new and since I'm busy and NEW takes time (and it's 22:47 here now), I'm not going to do it until herd 2 is out.10:47
somerville32Mithrandir, alright then :)10:48
somerville32If anyone is interested in helping to write the Heard 2 Announcement, we're on Gobby.10:55
mdkesomerville32: make sure you spell it "Herd"10:56
mdke:)10:56
somerville32:D10:56
somerville32I have <g>10:56
Treenakshearth?10:57
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LaserJocksomerville32: and not Hurd10:59
somerville32:P11:00
lifelesshUrd is the new fisty11:00
somerville32Does the sister projects usually write their own?11:04
LaserJockyeah11:06
LaserJockI think so11:06
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bddebianSomeone say Hurd? :-)11:22
mc44Hurd II: Die Hurder11:23
LaserJock:-)11:23
LaserJockmc44: or is that "Revenge of the Hurd"?11:23
mc44:)11:24
ajmitchUbuntu 205011:24
LaserJockman, Debian will need Toy Story 5 to come out or something11:25
LaserJockto get enough release names, either that or they'll have to slow down that mad pace of a release cycle11:25
ajmitchI'm sure they can dig up names11:26
cjwatsonsiretart: bug 67130 is worth a point release to fix, I think11:26
UbugtuMalone bug 67130 in ubiquity "mount points preparation locked - "No root file system"" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6713011:26
LaserJockDebian 10.3 "3rd Sheep"11:26
cjwatsongnomefreak: we first did a point release for 6.06, it's true, but we had contemplated one for 5.10 - it just turned out not to be worth the effort, whereas for 6.06 it was11:27
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ograMithrandir, still around ? edubuntu doesnt look good, seems i merged a patch from debian that breaks the mirror handling for non-networked installs ... i'll prepare a fixed ltsp now11:32
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ogra:(((11:33
msikmaHi everybody. I don't think that #ubuntu can do anything about this, but maybe you can: the download toold Ubuntu 4.04 release seems to lead to a 403 error.11:34
msikmahttp://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso This one, that is.11:34
cjwatsonmsikma: one moment11:35
elmocjwatson: heh, no .pool ;-)11:35
cjwatsonthere is on lithium11:36
elmoah, ok, sorry, our bad, one sec11:37
msikmaIf it could be fixed at some point, that would be great! The torrent link also seems to be inoperable. I realize 4.04 is officially obsolete, but I'm going to use it on an old computer on which it used to run faster than 6.06.11:38
elmotorrent won't work, I'm fixing http/ftp/rsync11:39
mdkeelmo: quick question about torrents. Does it make a difference from which mirror a user downloads a torrent from (I know nothing about em, but need to know to fix a website issue)11:40
elmomdke: no11:41
mdkegreat11:41
mdkeelmo: thanks. were you able to view that md5sum bug, btw?11:41
elmoyeah, I'll try and reply in a bit11:41
mdkeelmo: great, I wait with baited breath. thanks again11:41
HrdwrBoBbated11:42
ogracjwatson, can you approve an upload of ltsp for me so i get the package fixed for tomorrow morning ? 11:43
elmocjwatson: eh, dapper's in the old-releases tree?11:43
cjwatsonelmo: .0, yes11:43
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cjwatsonelmo: .1 is on releases.u.c11:43
mdkeHrdwrBoB: my breath is baited, dammit11:44
elmocjwatson: duh, sorry11:44
cjwatsonis a touch confusing11:44
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cjwatsonogra: if it's in the queue right now11:44
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cjwatson'cos I've been up at 0630 last two days and need my ugly sleep11:44
ogracjwatson, uploaded 1min ago ... 11:45
msikmaJust wondering, does anyone know of any other location from where I can get 4.04? I can't seem to find too much on Google except for reviews.11:45
ograits only commenting out three lines ...11:45
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msikmaOh wait, it isn't 4.04, it's 4.10.11:46
elmo4.04 would be impressive, Canonical didn't even exist then ;-)11:47
msikmaStupid me.11:47
elmomsikma: anyway, it's syncing now, try again in 30 mins or so and it should be there11:47
cjwatsonwell, not named Canonical, anyway ...11:47
cjwatsonelmo: thanks11:47
msikmaelmo: thanks very much. :)11:48
cjwatsonogra: can you explain the fix to me?11:48
cjwatsonogra: for example why 'add_mirror "$MIRROR"' isn't commented out but the lines around it are?11:48
ogracjwatson, vagrant wrote a unctionn that adds additional mirrors to the clients sources.list ... apparently i only get empty lines on a non networked system  ... i commented the call of the function that does it for now11:49
ogra'add_mirror "$MIRROR"' adds the default mirror ... which is the CD in our case11:49
ograthat needs fixing post herd2 indeed ... but for now this workaround is enough (gets us back to the former variant of the mirror plugin as we had it in edgy)11:50
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cjwatsonogra: well, no, it doesn't, as manage-mirror didn't change from edgy to feisty11:52
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ograhmm11:53
cjwatsonogra: is it to do with the ltsp-client-builder/build-client-opts stuff?11:53
msikmaSeems that the ISO is there.11:53
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ogralet me see ... thats a new one ...11:53
cjwatsonogra: this shouldn't block Herd 2 if you've tested this workaround, but I thought it was worth mentioning now anyway11:54
cjwatsonogra: (have you tested this workaround?)11:54
ograyes, several times11:54
ograits the add_multiple_mirrors call that breaks it ... 11:55
cjwatsonok, I've accepted it, but please make sure there's a bug filed with milestone 'later' or '7.04' or similar strength11:55
ograi was always for just copying the sources.list from the server during CD installs ... but debian freaked out about it ...11:55
cjwatsonto get it fixed properly11:55
ograi hate the debian "optionitis" some days ...11:56
ogracjwatson, will do11:56
cjwatsonI'm not familiar with the issues, and it would take some thought, so I don't want to comment on that11:56
cjwatsonogra: I'm going to bed now, so you'll probably have to wait until the morning if anything else needs archive admin attention, unless Tollef drops by; you should have the access you need to rebuild Edubuntu CD images11:58
ograright :)11:58
ograthanks for the help :)11:58
cjwatsonshould be ready around 0030 UTC11:58
cjwatsonnp11:58
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