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| somerville32 | mdke: Can we discuss someway to reduce launchpad spam? lol | 12:18 |
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| mdke | somerville32: you could setup a filter? | 12:19 |
| somerville32 | There is nothing I could filter it on | 12:20 |
| mdke | filter launchpad bugmail | 12:20 |
| somerville32 | I want launchpad bugmail | 12:20 |
| somerville32 | I just don't want get launchpad bugmail on ubuntu documentation | 12:20 |
| mdke | I mean, filter it into a separate directory | 12:20 |
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| somerville32 | I tag it already | 12:21 |
| mdke | can't you filter? | 12:21 |
| somerville32 | It has tagging | 12:21 |
| mdke | sounds like it sucks to me. Well, what solution do you propose? | 12:21 |
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| somerville32 | Maybe creating sub-teams and changing the bug contacts to these sub-teams? | 12:21 |
| mdke | and the subteam would be "everyone-except-somerville32"? | 12:22 |
| mdke | (the whole point of having bugmail is so members of the team can fix the bugs) | 12:22 |
| somerville32 | Right but I'm wouldn't fix Ubuntu, Edubuntu, or Kubuntu documentation bugs - I'd fear stepping on people's toes. | 12:23 |
| mdke | generally lots of bugs appear in all derivatives. Potentially xubuntu is an exception, because it doesn't have much documentation, but you're here to change that! | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | lol | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | True | 12:24 |
| mdke | let's think it over, you may be right | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | But then they should do proper triage | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | And apply it to the Xubuntu documentation product | 12:24 |
| mdke | we do great triage! | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | :D | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | Awesome. | 12:24 |
| mdke | is there a separate product? | 12:24 |
| somerville32 | I have no idea but I'm sure I could create one if there isn't already | 12:25 |
| mdke | I'm not convinced its a good idea | 12:25 |
| dsas | but I'm sure everyone can give input on most things, no matter which -docs package they care about the most. | 12:25 |
| mdke | part of the reason we keep the code together is to encourage this collaboration | 12:25 |
| mdke | the best solution may well for you to read the bugmail! | 12:25 |
| mdke | :p | 12:25 |
| somerville32 | mdke: TBH, I really don't have time for that, lol | 12:26 |
| somerville32 | And I don't think that changing the team layout would change how we collaborate. Xubuntu people are still expected to the Documentation and I'm still going to ask questions if I need help :) | 12:27 |
| somerville32 | *to do the Documentation for Xubuntu | 12:27 |
| mdke | do you think it would have a confusing effect for people looking to file bugs? | 12:28 |
| somerville32 | I think that it is more confusing for people now | 12:28 |
| somerville32 | If Xubuntu user xyz wants to file a bug, I think they might hesitate before assigning it to the ubuntu documentation product | 12:29 |
| mdke | you may be right | 12:29 |
| somerville32 | It would most likely get assigned to the Xubuntu meta package | 12:29 |
| somerville32 | and then all of us would get spammed | 12:29 |
| somerville32 | lol | 12:29 |
| somerville32 | I see what you mean though | 12:29 |
| somerville32 | About it being one big team | 12:29 |
| somerville32 | And we should stress that we are STILL one big team | 12:30 |
| mdke | let's have a think. I still think the best solution may be to stay where we are, but you have some valid points | 12:30 |
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| manicka | howdy mdke | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | well, my solution is that LP should have something that tells you why the heck you're getting the email | 12:47 |
| mdke | LaserJock: somerville32's complaint is about getting it in the first place | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | but I think it's fine to get it in the first place if you can at least sort it out | 12:48 |
| somerville32 | Right | 12:48 |
| mdke | well, you can sort it out already | 12:48 |
| somerville32 | Not in gmail | 12:49 |
| dsas | Some people don't realise and get angry though. Particularly when they file ubiquity bugs. | 12:49 |
| mdke | filter in the launchpad-bug header and content for ubuntu-docs | 12:49 |
| mdke | somerville32: that's gmail's fault though | 12:49 |
| somerville32 | mdke: I want Xubuntu bugs | 12:49 |
| mdke | somerville32: "content for ubuntu-docs" | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I don't think that'll work | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | it'll catch quite a few | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | my most of the bugemail I get doesn't really let me know why I'm getting it, which is annoying | 12:50 |
| mdke | oh, they use the short url for the bug link | 12:50 |
| mdke | sucks | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | somerville32: we don't have enough bugs to really worry about, IMO | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | and it's important to see what bugs are going on elsewhere in the repo | 12:50 |
| dsas | mdke: it makes sense, otherwise the package might have changed by the time you read it and it's then confusing | 12:50 |
| mdke | dsas: wouldn't prevent a reference to the task in the footer though | 12:50 |
| somerville32 | LaserJock, I have a screen full of bugs for stuff I don't need to have | 12:51 |
| mdke | yeah, you're lucky you aren't subscribed to ubuntu-website, somerville32. I did the same amount of bugs on that this evening | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | the only thing I can see is the "it's confusing for users to know what to file a bug against" | 12:51 |
| dsas | mdke: Oh no, I think LaserJock is right it should say why you're getting mail about it, | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | somerville32: but I'm saying that rarely happens and I'll submit that you may need to have them | 12:51 |
| dsas | I get mail all the time from bug commentors, "here's the debug log you asked for", and I haven't a clue what package it is. | 12:52 |
| somerville32 | LaserJock, It is mostly typos | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | there have been many occasions when an Ubuntu doc bug was also a Kubuntu doc bug, etc. | 12:52 |
| mdke | dsas: nod | 12:52 |
| somerville32 | Right | 12:52 |
| somerville32 | And in that case, the traiger should an apply to the xubuntu-docs product | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | dsas: mhm, I almost mentioned that when sabdfl asked about the Malone wishlist | 12:52 |
| dsas | LaserJock: Heh, my mind went blank at the time. | 12:52 |
| somerville32 | Most cases where that would occur, I'm sure it is evident enough that someone would atleast mention it to us | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | somerville32: anyway, ubuntu-doc bugs are still important to at least filter through to see if anything applies to you | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | and doc bugs are a pretty small drop in the bucket ;-) | 12:54 |
| mdke | yeap | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | you could always filter against Matthew East ;-) | 12:55 |
| somerville32 | lol | 12:55 |
| mdke | you'd miss all the wisdom though | 12:56 |
| somerville32 | Do you really think I read them now? :P | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | I at least browse them | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | it's hard to tell what applies and what doesn't | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | and it's cool to see what's going on anyway | 12:57 |
| dsas | I read them and I haven't done anything in months | 12:57 |
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| LaserJock | man, there are some real email junkies out there | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | the people that are subscribed to all of wiki.u.c | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | and to the bug mailing lists | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | I can't handle that much info flying at my face :-) | 12:59 |
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| LaserJock | hi theCore_ | 03:54 |
| theCore_ | hi LaserJock | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | been thinking about some major Packaging Guide reworking lately | 03:55 |
| theCore_ | oh? | 03:55 |
| theCore_ | what kind of reworking? | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | well, more content, of course | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | reordering of examples | 04:00 |
| theCore | hmm... maybe I could help | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | I'll try to put up an outline on the wiki page tonight | 04:05 |
| theCore | ok then, I look at it and see what I can o | 04:06 |
| theCore | s/o/do/ | 04:06 |
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| somerville32 | For the packaging guide and the packaging from scratch section, I don't think you should pull stuff from an already existing package. | 04:16 |
| somerville32 | Kind of defies the premise of packaging from scratch | 04:16 |
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| LaserJock | somerville32: it's also kinda hard to write documentation for packaging from scratch | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | without having an example | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm think of putting debhelper first | 04:32 |
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| LaserJock | but I know what you mean | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | I never really liked how that worked out | 04:33 |
| somerville32 | Since I just recently learnt how to package, maybe I could help out? | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah, once I get my thoughts down on paper, etc. I'm going to blog and email for people wanting to write | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | I don't have time to do it all myself | 04:36 |
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| somerville32 | Ok, so I lie :) I'm actually using my whiteboard. | 07:02 |
| somerville32 | mdke: I thought that the documentation was built nightly and placed on doc.ubuntu.com | 08:33 |
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| mdke | somerville32: that's broken atm | 09:36 |
| mdke | xubuntu probably still works, actually | 09:36 |
| somerville32 | Unfortunately I don't see my changes | 09:36 |
| mdke | does "make all" in the xubuntu directory work? | 09:37 |
| mdke | yeah it does. Hmm, should be working | 09:38 |
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| mdke | somerville32: oh, it is stuck on updated the repository due to a bug. I'll fix it | 09:41 |
| somerville32 | Awesome :] | 09:42 |
| mdke | ah, two bugs | 09:47 |
| mdke | all better now | 09:48 |
| somerville32 | Is it rebuilding now? | 09:49 |
| mdke | it's done | 09:50 |
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| somerville32 | mdke: Did you get my e-mail? | 10:06 |
| mdke | somerville32: I don'y know | 10:07 |
| somerville32 | I just sent it | 10:07 |
| somerville32 | Regarding fesity documentation spec | 10:07 |
| mdke | email normally arrives ok, assume it got it | 10:07 |
| somerville32 | mdke: I don't see the updates to the Xubuntu documentation yet | 10:07 |
| somerville32 | oh sorry | 10:08 |
| somerville32 | Cached | 10:08 |
| somerville32 | :) | 10:08 |
| somerville32 | I see it now | 10:08 |
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| FactTech | mdke Are you online at the moment? Seveas pointed me to you. | 07:12 |
| FactTech | Is anyone online at the moment? I can't tell if I'm being block for not having registered my nick yet. | 07:14 |
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| mdke | jenda: can you dispose of that nonsense in -locoteams pls? | 09:22 |
| jenda | mdke: working on it. | 09:22 |
| jenda | I don't have the power myself. | 09:22 |
| mdke | ok | 09:22 |
| jenda | mdke: which name are for kickin'? | 09:22 |
| mdke | those ones | 09:22 |
| mdke | also, maybe get ops for a few more people? | 09:23 |
| mdke | Seveas, myself, yourself, elkubuntu spring to mind | 09:23 |
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| mdke | nixternal: if you wanna follow my example for Kubuntu maybe? | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | preview server? | 09:49 |
| mdke | LaserJock: you've forgotten all about the docteam :( | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | no, I just don't know what you are refering to :-) | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | doc.ubuntu.com ? | 09:50 |
| mdke | you remember we have that server at doc.u.c which hosts our documentation in development. | 09:50 |
| mdke | it's been broken since we rearranged the whole of our tree | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I just don't think of it as a preview server, that's all :-) | 09:51 |
| mdke | aha | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | I think of it as doc development server, or something | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I'm with you know | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | *now | 09:52 |
| === mdke hugs | ||
| mdke | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/C/index.html | 09:52 |
| mdke | so why aren't there any translations in kubuntu-docs? | 09:59 |
| mdke | they are missing from debian/rules | 10:01 |
| dsas | mdke: I get a 404 at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/C/newtoubuntu/windows.xml | 10:02 |
| mdke | dsas: yeah. it's not easy enough to fix right now | 10:03 |
| mdke | you'll see a fair few more too, sadly | 10:04 |
| mdke | jenda: !! are mailing list/forum deltas that easy? | 10:15 |
| jenda | mdke: it seems they are. | 10:16 |
| mdke | this is a chance of making significant progress in forum integration | 10:16 |
| mdke | jenda: I've replied excitedly | 10:16 |
| jenda | mdke: has me wondering, why we only have one so far. | 10:16 |
| jenda | :) | 10:16 |
| mdke | this has so much potential | 10:17 |
| jenda | 10:17 | |
| mdke | damn, my screen has gone funny and I can't read what you just said | 10:17 |
| Seveas | mdke, yeah, I'll ask jono about more ops when he signs on | 10:17 |
| mdke | say it again? | 10:17 |
| mdke | Seveas: thanks | 10:18 |
| mdke | jenda: sorry, I missed your last comment. Can you repeat/ | 10:19 |
| jenda | Seveas: I msg'd Yann about it. | 10:19 |
| jenda | mdke: it was just a smiley ;) | 10:19 |
| dsas | mdke: "" :) | 10:19 |
| mdke | damn you dsas, you made my screen go funny again | 10:19 |
| mdke | is this some hippy character that breaks irssi/screen? | 10:19 |
| dsas | mdke: Heh, you have a non UTF8 client. | 10:19 |
| bdmurray | mdke: works for me | 10:20 |
| willvdl | looks good in xchat | 10:20 |
| mdke | i think it's a gnome-terminal thing, it's been doing weird things to me recently | 10:20 |
| bdmurray | I'm using konsole, irssi, screen so maybe | 10:20 |
| mdke | I have irssi+screen on dapper and gnome-terminal on feisty | 10:21 |
| jenda | mdke: Confirmed - it's possible. | 10:21 |
| jenda | mdke: Ryan will get to it tonight. | 10:21 |
| mdke | jenda: I think one for devel-discuss should be the priority then. We should consult with whoever the admin of that is | 10:22 |
| jenda | shweet | 10:22 |
| mdke | admins | 10:22 |
| jenda | now... who is? | 10:22 |
| mdke | lists@admin.canonical.com | 10:22 |
| jenda | hehe :) | 10:22 |
| jenda | mdke: will you or should I? | 10:23 |
| mdke | I will | 10:23 |
| mdke | I'm *too* excited about this | 10:23 |
| mdke | hopefully it can be put in a good place in the forum heirarchy | 10:23 |
| jenda | mdke: have a look at teh current layout - I'd see the cleanest implementation as 'Community team mailing lists' below loco team forums. | 10:26 |
| nixternal | mdke: i will get the kubuntu side up tonight | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | mdke: what are you excited about? | 10:27 |
| mdke | nixternal: rock | 10:27 |
| mdke | jenda: i don't think it should be at the bottom at all | 10:28 |
| jenda | mdke: neither do I, but tech support takes the first spot. | 10:29 |
| jenda | make that below or above the loco forums ;) | 10:29 |
| mdke | jenda: it would certainly be in "Community Discussions" yeah, and thus under tech support. But I think it should be the first item in there | 10:30 |
| jenda | mdke: we probably won't push it ahead of the forum community. | 10:32 |
| jenda | (BTW, I didn't realise what I said first was at the bottom :)) | 10:32 |
| mdke | well, I think the structure could be played around a bit there, but tbh, I'll be glad to see mailing lists there | 10:32 |
| jenda | Yeah - if it looks like it works fine, we can try negotiating a restructuring. | 10:33 |
| mdke | i'll cc you on the email | 10:34 |
| jenda | great, thanks. | 10:35 |
| mdke | sent | 10:35 |
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| mpt | mdke, common/C/contributors.xml is missing according to doc.ubuntu.com | 11:04 |
| mpt | oh, and bravo for adding "Keeping your computer safe" :-) | 11:05 |
| mdke | mpt: there are quite a lot of broken links, I'm afraid | 11:08 |
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