=== somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:18] mdke: Can we discuss someway to reduce launchpad spam? lol [12:19] somerville32: you could setup a filter? [12:20] There is nothing I could filter it on [12:20] filter launchpad bugmail [12:20] I want launchpad bugmail [12:20] I just don't want get launchpad bugmail on ubuntu documentation [12:20] I mean, filter it into a separate directory === somerville32 uses gmail. [12:21] I tag it already [12:21] can't you filter? [12:21] It has tagging [12:21] sounds like it sucks to me. Well, what solution do you propose? === mdke filters on ^X-Launchpad-Bug. [12:21] Maybe creating sub-teams and changing the bug contacts to these sub-teams? [12:22] and the subteam would be "everyone-except-somerville32"? [12:22] (the whole point of having bugmail is so members of the team can fix the bugs) [12:23] Right but I'm wouldn't fix Ubuntu, Edubuntu, or Kubuntu documentation bugs - I'd fear stepping on people's toes. [12:24] generally lots of bugs appear in all derivatives. Potentially xubuntu is an exception, because it doesn't have much documentation, but you're here to change that! [12:24] lol [12:24] True [12:24] let's think it over, you may be right [12:24] But then they should do proper triage [12:24] And apply it to the Xubuntu documentation product [12:24] we do great triage! [12:24] :D [12:24] Awesome. [12:24] is there a separate product? [12:25] I have no idea but I'm sure I could create one if there isn't already [12:25] I'm not convinced its a good idea [12:25] but I'm sure everyone can give input on most things, no matter which -docs package they care about the most. [12:25] part of the reason we keep the code together is to encourage this collaboration [12:25] the best solution may well for you to read the bugmail! [12:25] :p [12:26] mdke: TBH, I really don't have time for that, lol [12:27] And I don't think that changing the team layout would change how we collaborate. Xubuntu people are still expected to the Documentation and I'm still going to ask questions if I need help :) [12:27] *to do the Documentation for Xubuntu [12:28] do you think it would have a confusing effect for people looking to file bugs? [12:28] I think that it is more confusing for people now [12:29] If Xubuntu user xyz wants to file a bug, I think they might hesitate before assigning it to the ubuntu documentation product [12:29] you may be right [12:29] It would most likely get assigned to the Xubuntu meta package [12:29] and then all of us would get spammed [12:29] lol [12:29] I see what you mean though [12:29] About it being one big team [12:30] And we should stress that we are STILL one big team [12:30] let's have a think. I still think the best solution may be to stay where we are, but you have some valid points === somerville32 nods. === manicka [n=manicka_@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke hugs manicka [12:46] howdy mdke [12:47] well, my solution is that LP should have something that tells you why the heck you're getting the email [12:48] LaserJock: somerville32's complaint is about getting it in the first place [12:48] but I think it's fine to get it in the first place if you can at least sort it out [12:48] Right [12:48] well, you can sort it out already [12:49] Not in gmail [12:49] Some people don't realise and get angry though. Particularly when they file ubiquity bugs. [12:49] filter in the launchpad-bug header and content for ubuntu-docs [12:49] somerville32: that's gmail's fault though [12:49] mdke: I want Xubuntu bugs [12:49] somerville32: "content for ubuntu-docs" [12:49] mdke: I don't think that'll work [12:49] it'll catch quite a few [12:50] my most of the bugemail I get doesn't really let me know why I'm getting it, which is annoying [12:50] oh, they use the short url for the bug link [12:50] sucks [12:50] somerville32: we don't have enough bugs to really worry about, IMO [12:50] and it's important to see what bugs are going on elsewhere in the repo [12:50] mdke: it makes sense, otherwise the package might have changed by the time you read it and it's then confusing [12:50] dsas: wouldn't prevent a reference to the task in the footer though [12:51] LaserJock, I have a screen full of bugs for stuff I don't need to have [12:51] yeah, you're lucky you aren't subscribed to ubuntu-website, somerville32. I did the same amount of bugs on that this evening [12:51] the only thing I can see is the "it's confusing for users to know what to file a bug against" [12:51] mdke: Oh no, I think LaserJock is right it should say why you're getting mail about it, [12:51] somerville32: but I'm saying that rarely happens and I'll submit that you may need to have them [12:52] I get mail all the time from bug commentors, "here's the debug log you asked for", and I haven't a clue what package it is. [12:52] LaserJock, It is mostly typos [12:52] there have been many occasions when an Ubuntu doc bug was also a Kubuntu doc bug, etc. [12:52] dsas: nod [12:52] Right [12:52] And in that case, the traiger should an apply to the xubuntu-docs product [12:52] dsas: mhm, I almost mentioned that when sabdfl asked about the Malone wishlist [12:52] LaserJock: Heh, my mind went blank at the time. [12:53] Most cases where that would occur, I'm sure it is evident enough that someone would atleast mention it to us [12:54] somerville32: anyway, ubuntu-doc bugs are still important to at least filter through to see if anything applies to you [12:54] and doc bugs are a pretty small drop in the bucket ;-) [12:55] yeap [12:55] you could always filter against Matthew East ;-) [12:55] lol [12:56] you'd miss all the wisdom though [12:56] Do you really think I read them now? :P [12:57] I at least browse them [12:57] it's hard to tell what applies and what doesn't [12:57] and it's cool to see what's going on anyway [12:57] I read them and I haven't done anything in months === dsas is a list junkie [12:58] man, there are some real email junkies out there [12:58] the people that are subscribed to all of wiki.u.c [12:59] and to the bug mailing lists [12:59] I can't handle that much info flying at my face :-) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore_ [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:54] hi theCore_ [03:54] hi LaserJock [03:55] been thinking about some major Packaging Guide reworking lately [03:55] oh? [03:55] what kind of reworking? [03:59] well, more content, of course [04:00] reordering of examples [04:04] hmm... maybe I could help [04:05] I'll try to put up an outline on the wiki page tonight [04:06] ok then, I look at it and see what I can o [04:06] s/o/do/ === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:16] For the packaging guide and the packaging from scratch section, I don't think you should pull stuff from an already existing package. [04:16] Kind of defies the premise of packaging from scratch === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:31] somerville32: it's also kinda hard to write documentation for packaging from scratch [04:32] without having an example [04:32] I'm think of putting debhelper first === somerville32 nods. [04:33] but I know what you mean [04:33] I never really liked how that worked out [04:34] Since I just recently learnt how to package, maybe I could help out? [04:36] yeah, once I get my thoughts down on paper, etc. I'm going to blog and email for people wanting to write [04:36] I don't have time to do it all myself === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 gets out a pen and paper. [07:02] Ok, so I lie :) I'm actually using my whiteboard. [08:33] mdke: I thought that the documentation was built nightly and placed on doc.ubuntu.com === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:36] somerville32: that's broken atm [09:36] xubuntu probably still works, actually [09:36] Unfortunately I don't see my changes [09:37] does "make all" in the xubuntu directory work? [09:38] yeah it does. Hmm, should be working === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-06.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:41] somerville32: oh, it is stuck on updated the repository due to a bug. I'll fix it [09:42] Awesome :] [09:47] ah, two bugs [09:48] all better now [09:49] Is it rebuilding now? [09:50] it's done === glatzor [n=sebi@p54964B39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:06] mdke: Did you get my e-mail? [10:07] somerville32: I don'y know [10:07] I just sent it [10:07] Regarding fesity documentation spec [10:07] email normally arrives ok, assume it got it [10:07] mdke: I don't see the updates to the Xubuntu documentation yet [10:08] oh sorry [10:08] Cached [10:08] :) [10:08] I see it now === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.207] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["No] === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=will@fw-dcise.ascensionhealth.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl5-85-35.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-125-91.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FactTech [n=facttech@c-68-54-18-57.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] mdke Are you online at the moment? Seveas pointed me to you. [07:14] Is anyone online at the moment? I can't tell if I'm being block for not having registered my nick yet. === FactTech [n=facttech@c-68-54-18-57.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === FactTech [n=facttech@c-68-54-18-57.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FactTech [n=facttech@c-68-54-18-57.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-42-102.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:22] jenda: can you dispose of that nonsense in -locoteams pls? [09:22] mdke: working on it. [09:22] I don't have the power myself. [09:22] ok [09:22] mdke: which name are for kickin'? [09:22] those ones [09:23] also, maybe get ops for a few more people? [09:23] Seveas, myself, yourself, elkubuntu spring to mind === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke fixes the preview server [09:48] nixternal: if you wanna follow my example for Kubuntu maybe? [09:49] preview server? [09:49] LaserJock: you've forgotten all about the docteam :( [09:50] no, I just don't know what you are refering to :-) [09:50] doc.ubuntu.com ? [09:50] you remember we have that server at doc.u.c which hosts our documentation in development. [09:51] it's been broken since we rearranged the whole of our tree [09:51] yeah, I just don't think of it as a preview server, that's all :-) [09:51] aha [09:51] I think of it as doc development server, or something [09:51] anyway, I'm with you know [09:52] *now === mdke hugs [09:52] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/C/index.html [09:59] so why aren't there any translations in kubuntu-docs? [10:01] they are missing from debian/rules [10:02] mdke: I get a 404 at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/C/newtoubuntu/windows.xml [10:03] dsas: yeah. it's not easy enough to fix right now [10:04] you'll see a fair few more too, sadly [10:15] jenda: !! are mailing list/forum deltas that easy? [10:16] mdke: it seems they are. [10:16] this is a chance of making significant progress in forum integration [10:16] jenda: I've replied excitedly [10:16] mdke: has me wondering, why we only have one so far. [10:16] :) [10:17] this has so much potential [10:17] [10:17] damn, my screen has gone funny and I can't read what you just said [10:17] mdke, yeah, I'll ask jono about more ops when he signs on [10:17] say it again? [10:18] Seveas: thanks [10:19] jenda: sorry, I missed your last comment. Can you repeat/ [10:19] Seveas: I msg'd Yann about it. [10:19] mdke: it was just a smiley ;) [10:19] mdke: "" :) [10:19] damn you dsas, you made my screen go funny again [10:19] is this some hippy character that breaks irssi/screen? [10:19] mdke: Heh, you have a non UTF8 client. [10:20] mdke: works for me [10:20] looks good in xchat [10:20] i think it's a gnome-terminal thing, it's been doing weird things to me recently [10:20] I'm using konsole, irssi, screen so maybe [10:21] I have irssi+screen on dapper and gnome-terminal on feisty [10:21] mdke: Confirmed - it's possible. [10:21] mdke: Ryan will get to it tonight. [10:22] jenda: I think one for devel-discuss should be the priority then. We should consult with whoever the admin of that is [10:22] shweet [10:22] admins [10:22] now... who is? [10:22] lists@admin.canonical.com [10:22] hehe :) [10:23] mdke: will you or should I? [10:23] I will [10:23] I'm *too* excited about this [10:23] hopefully it can be put in a good place in the forum heirarchy [10:26] mdke: have a look at teh current layout - I'd see the cleanest implementation as 'Community team mailing lists' below loco team forums. [10:27] mdke: i will get the kubuntu side up tonight [10:27] mdke: what are you excited about? [10:27] nixternal: rock [10:28] jenda: i don't think it should be at the bottom at all [10:29] mdke: neither do I, but tech support takes the first spot. [10:29] make that below or above the loco forums ;) [10:30] jenda: it would certainly be in "Community Discussions" yeah, and thus under tech support. But I think it should be the first item in there [10:32] mdke: we probably won't push it ahead of the forum community. [10:32] (BTW, I didn't realise what I said first was at the bottom :)) [10:32] well, I think the structure could be played around a bit there, but tbh, I'll be glad to see mailing lists there [10:33] Yeah - if it looks like it works fine, we can try negotiating a restructuring. [10:34] i'll cc you on the email [10:35] great, thanks. [10:35] sent === glatzor [n=sebi@p54964B39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:04] mdke, common/C/contributors.xml is missing according to doc.ubuntu.com [11:05] oh, and bravo for adding "Keeping your computer safe" :-) [11:08] mpt: there are quite a lot of broken links, I'm afraid === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-doc