[12:16] <jenda> gratz, zenwhen :)
[12:16] <mlind> I started my Ubuntu contributions by hanging out @ ubuntuforums and writing some HOWTO's about packaging and backporting stuff from Debian. I also help people there to package/build their own stuff, and I maintain a small repository to supply some community requested packages that are not available for (stable) Ubuntu's.
[12:16] <zenwhen> Thanks.
[12:16] <mlind> I'm very interested in ways that Ubuntu (and Debian) collaborate with open-source world and produce quality for end-users. I eventually found out about MOTUing process and a way to contribute to Ubuntu Java community by becoming a MOTU and start contributing on universe's Java section. To catch things up I joined up in few teams @ launchpad and began squashing bugs, submitting sync and merge requests (thanks crimsun, hobbesee and 
[12:16] <mlind> My plans in a nutshell are: * Improve Ubuntu's Java support (hopefully by MOTUing) * Help with syncs&merges * Become a Ubuntu member * Become a MOTU * Transform some great ubuntuforums articles made by others into Wiki content
[12:17] <mlind> Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mlind
[12:17] <mlind> Launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/~mlind
[12:17] <mako> sabdfl in his python-fanaticism will be unhappy to hear it's at the bboston-ruby group ;)
[12:17] <mlind> Ubuntuforums profile: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=52272
[12:18] <mako> mlind: are there reasons for not including your packages in multiverse/backports/whatever?
[12:18] <sabdfl> sigh
[12:18] <mako> mlind: exciting moment for java people :)
[12:19] <mlind> no, most of the issues are policy related
[12:19] <mako> mlind: ah, ok..
[12:19] <mlind> but I'm heading to motu section hopefully, that's why I'm here :)
[12:20] <Seveas> you don't need to be a member to contribut to what the motu do :)
[12:20] <mlind> yeah, I know. allthough it would be nice to make their workload easier
[12:20] <mako> mlind: cool :)
[12:20] <Seveas> mlind, did you bring any cheerleaders?
[12:20] <theravingsociety> i would like to cheer for mlind, as his packages have high quality :-)
[12:21] <mlind> hum,, crimsum seems to left. but I hope forums people cheer for me :)
[12:21] <sabdfl> i see you subscribe to quite a few bugs, seems your interest is far beyond java only, is that correct?
[12:21] <mlind> sabdfl: yes, far beyond java
[12:21] <mako> mlind: wow, you're super active on the forums
[12:22] <Vorian_> I'll cheer for mlind !  Best kind of chap there is, very helpful!
[12:22] <mlind> thanks mako
[12:22] <sabdfl> +1 from me on the basis of java packaging and forums activity over more than a ear
[12:22] <sabdfl> year, that is
[12:22] <mako> absolutely
[12:22] <mako> +1 from me
[12:22] <mako> lots of visible work
[12:22] <elmo> +1
[12:23] <sabdfl> welcome, mlind, and thanks for your contribution so far
[12:23] <mlind> thanks Vorian_ and forums people ;)
[12:23] <mlind> thanks guys/gals, glad to be aboard
[12:23] <Vorian_> congrats mlind !
[12:23] <rpereir1> congrats mlind!
[12:23] <zenwhen> congrats
[12:24] <theravingsociety> congrats
[12:24] <Seveas> nocturn can't make it
[12:24] <Seveas> so Adri2000 is up
[12:24] <Seveas> (congrats mlind!)
[12:24] <Adri2000> ok :)
[12:24] <Adri2000> I'm Adrien Cunin, 16 years old French student. I have been an active contributor since the end of the dapper cycle with translation. For edgy, I started bug triaging (I'm part of the QA team now) and packaging.
[12:24] <Adri2000> Today I'm more focused on packaging, MOTU work: merges/syncs, bugs fixing. I packaged some new programs, and I'm going to maintain two of them in Debian (they are currently in the NEW queue).
[12:24] <Adri2000> You can find the detail of my packaging work on my wiki page.
[12:24] <Adri2000> LP: https://launchpad.net/people/adri2000 - Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdrienCunin
[12:24] <Adri2000> Unfortunately, Gauvain Pocentek, who is my main sponsor/mentor, can't be here for the meeting, therefore he added some comments at the end of my wiki page.
[12:24] <Adri2000> Daniel T. Chen also left a note, but I guess he meant #ubuntu-motu, not -bugs.
[12:26] <Toadstool> hey everybody
[12:27] <Sp4rKy> heya Toadstool
[12:27] <mako> Adri2000: awesome that you're maintaing your ubuntu packages in debian as well :)
[12:27] <mako> Adri2000: makes getting your packages into debian to reduce the delta pretty easy :)
[12:28] <Toadstool> although I haven't been really active in the MOTU world lately, I've checked Adri2000's work several times and he's doing really good
[12:29] <sabdfl> seems reasonable to me
[12:29] <mako> yes, looks that way to me
[12:29] <rpereir1> mdke: Sorry I didn't see your msg. I'm interested in help on winmodem documentation. Jabber and e-mail - https://launchpad.net/~rpereira
[12:29] <sabdfl> Adri2000: have you applied for a place on ubuntu-dev too?
[12:29] <Adri2000> thanks Toadstool :)
[12:29] <mdke> rpereir1: yay :)
[12:29] <mako> g
[12:29] <elmo> +1
[12:29] <Adri2000> sabdfl: not yet, but I'm thinking about that, yes :)
[12:29] <mako> yes, +1 from me
[12:29] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me for membership
[12:30] <sabdfl> and thanks for your contribution so far - welcome!
[12:30] <Seveas> nice!
[12:30] <Seveas> Welcome aboard Adri2000
[12:30] <mdke> good job Adri2000
[12:30] <Toadstool> Adri2000: wow, congrats' :)
[12:30] <Seveas> Lutin, you're up next
[12:30] <Adri2000> thank you everybody ! :-)
[12:30] <Lutin> ok
[12:30] <rpereir1> Adri2000: congrats.
[12:30] <Seveas> mako, how long will you be available?
[12:30] <Lutin> I am Albin Tonnerre, student in electronics and computer science in France
[12:30] <Lutin> I started using linux and ubuntu over a year ago, when breezy was released, as I was looking for an opensource and free OS. I use ubuntu as my only OS on a daily basis.
[12:30] <Lutin> My main interests are helping out the users on the forums and IRC, and I also like packaging. I try to contribute to ubuntu as much as I can, especially with packaging in my two major fields of interests - Enlightenment dr17 and mutimedia - I've been maintaining the e17 repo hosted on edevelop for six month now and work on somes packages for medibuntu (former plf)
[12:30] <Lutin> I'm also moderator on the ubuntu-fr forum where I try to help users as mush as possible
[12:30] <Lutin> Lp : https://launchpad.net/people/lutin-     wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbinTonnerre
[12:30] <Lutin> Unfortunately gpocentek can't be here, he is my main mentor, but he left a note on my wiki page
[12:31] <Seveas> are there other ubuntu-fr people around?
[12:31] <Sp4rKy> yep
[12:31] <Seveas> then speak ;)
[12:31] <Lutin> Yann2 also seems to be
[12:31] <Sp4rKy> Seveas: i work with Lutin on some common project
[12:32] <mr_pouit> (So do I)
[12:32] <skateinmars> hi, i'm an ircop on ubuntu-fr, I just would like to say that Lutin is doing great on the french forums
[12:32] <Seveas> Lutin, why aren't your e17 packages in UBuntu yet?
[12:32] <mako> Seveas: maybe this is my last one.. maybe one more
[12:32] <Sp4rKy> we build E17 repo, and we work on our own revu website
[12:32] <Seveas> mako, ok
[12:32] <Lutin> Seveas: mostly because the lead developper asked us nicely not to put the packages in ubuntu nor debian for te moment
[12:33] <Seveas> Lutin, fair enough :)
[12:33] <dennda> mako, may i ask you for one more? :)
[12:33] <Sp4rKy> Lutin really done a good work in packaging stuff and helping people on IRC or Forum
[12:33] <Lutin> Seveas: I'm also working with the pkg-e team for its integration in debian
[12:33] <Seveas> excellent
[12:33] <Seveas> everything that reduces the ubuntu <-> debian delta is good
[12:33] <Sp4rKy> :)
[12:34] <rpereir1> Seveas: I agree with you.
[12:34] <Toadstool> Lutin (and Sp4rKy too) are doing a huge work to package e17 and make it available on the edevelop repository
[12:34] <Yann2> Lutin ?
[12:35] <sabdfl> is the E17 popular?
[12:35] <Sp4rKy> sabdfl: a little yes
[12:35] <Seveas> more popular than the E shipped by Ubuntu proper
[12:35] <Yann2> Lutin got a +1 from me, he's doing a really great job as moderator on the forums... nice and helpful :)
[12:35] <Seveas> and it's quite fast and bling-y so it attracts people
[12:35] <Lutin> sabdfl: can't recall exactly, let's say 80Go bandwith per month
[12:36] <sabdfl> doesn't make sense to have different' E's, in ubuntu and separately
[12:36] <Sp4rKy> Lutin: a little bit more i think, i've more than 100Go a month on the mirror :)
[12:36] <sabdfl> easier for devs to get testing feedback on that in the normal repo
[12:37] <Lutin> sabdfl: the devel team doesn't want to have to provide support for users
[12:37] <Lutin> as it's far from being ready
[12:37] <Lutin> that's mostly why we didn't try to put them in ubuntu for now
[12:37] <Sp4rKy> sabdfl: Lutin the stats of the mirror for e17 announce 300user by day
[12:38] <sabdfl> well, since there's no iso, you're unlikely to get folks who don't know how to select their own packages
[12:38] <sabdfl> and that's not much harder than adding a repo
[12:38] <sabdfl> so, it's just an obstacle to testing and feedback
[12:38] <sabdfl> and a source of confusion, imo
[12:38] <sabdfl> i understand the "i don't want to be flooded"
[12:38] <sabdfl> but i think it's a little misguided
[12:38] <sabdfl> that's a source of good clean bug reports
[12:38] <Sp4rKy> sabdfl: talk about that with rasterman :p
[12:39] <sabdfl> would be happy to - give him my email address
[12:39] <Lutin> ok :)
[12:40] <mako> sabdfl: you'll find that many things about e17 go against what many consider best practice
[12:40] <mako> sabdfl: the goal of the project is to be iconoclastic
[12:40] <Seveas> like a development time longer than winxp ;)
[12:40] <mako> sabdfl: that's both the greatest source of criticism and the reason people like it
[12:41] <sabdfl> but.. there are E17 packages in ubuntu, right?
[12:41] <Sp4rKy> sabdfl: no
[12:41] <Lutin> sabdfl: no
[12:41] <sabdfl> ok
[12:41] <sabdfl> older version of E?
[12:41] <Lutin> 0.16.7.x iirc
[12:41] <Sp4rKy> i don't think
[12:41] <sabdfl> ok
[12:41] <Seveas> E16
[12:41] <Seveas> years old
[12:42] <Lutin> totally different
[12:42] <mako> alright, i really need to leave
[12:42] <sabdfl> ok, well +1 from me, though i'd like to see the placement of the packages sorted out
[12:42] <sabdfl> cheers mako, and happy new year (russian ;-))
[12:42] <mako> +1 from me as well
[12:42] <Seveas> see you next time mako
[12:42] <sabdfl> i'm getting to the end of my run too
[12:42] <mako> i'm happy to echo both of sabdf's comment
[12:42] <Seveas> elmo, +1/0/-1?
[12:43] <elmo> +1
[12:43] <sabdfl> who's up next?
[12:43] <mako> if you keep going, please send me a summary on email with a list of people voted on, i'll approve things from there
[12:43] <dennda> me
[12:43] <dennda> if i got things right
[12:43] <mako> as long as nobody else has objects
[12:43] <sabdfl> are the folks to date approved in LP?
[12:43] <mako> objections, and if i don't either
[12:43] <mako> sabdfl: i haven't been doing it, so unless elmo has, not yet
[12:43] <Seveas> dennda, is up (if we continue)
[12:43] <mako> thanks everyone!
[12:43] <mako> see you next time
[12:43] <Lutin> thanks everyone :)
[12:44] <elmo> sorry, I haven't done it yet
[12:44] <rpereir1> Lutin: congrats.
[12:44] <Seveas> if noone did lp duty, I'll add a list of accounts in the summary to mako
[12:44] <elmo> I can catch up in the backlog, if you want
[12:44] <Seveas> so he can do it whileapproving the rest
[12:44] <dennda> (may i have a start?)
[12:44] <Lutin> elmo, sabdfl: thanks :)
[12:44] <mdke> are we continuing? I've got a couple of people I'd like to cheerlead
[12:44] <Seveas> mdke, looks like it. sabdfl, elmo want to continue or postpone?
[12:45] <sabdfl> mako, do you mind if i give seveas admin caps on ubuntumembers in LP?
[12:45] <sabdfl> sorry, that should be a side conversation
[12:45] <sabdfl> let's keep going
[12:45] <sabdfl> dennda!
[12:45] <sabdfl> guys, please pre-prepare your entry comments
[12:45] <sabdfl> so we can make quick progress
[12:45] <Seveas> ok
[12:45] <dennda> thank you sabdfl
[12:45] <mdke> yay for sabdfl
[12:45] <dennda> Hi folks! My name is Christopher Denter. I am an eighteen year old German geek who started dealing with ubuntu about one year ago. Very soon after Breezy had made me love linux and ubuntu i started helping other users on forums and the IRC. I also started promoting ubuntu to my friends. I managed to replace windows on many of my mates' computers with ubuntu. Up to now I wrote two different articles about ubuntu for computer/linux ma
[12:45] <dennda> gs and many postings to several forums to promote ubuntu and to support people using it. In addition to that I began to do presentations, e.g. in school or university. I was present at last year's LinuxWorldExpo in Cologne as an active ubuntero at the German ubuntu booth. A summary of my contributions is fetchable from my wiki.
[12:45] <DktrKranz> thanks :D
[12:45] <mako> sabdfl: no, i'm fine giving Seveas admin privledges on launchpad
[12:45] <dennda> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/dennda launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~dennda
[12:45] <sabdfl> i have dennda, atoponce, tristanbob, mr_pouit, Gwaihir, Vorian_, DktrKranz on the list from here
[12:46] <sabdfl> ok cool
[12:46] <kaffke> dennda is the leading representative of the ubuntu community in my region. he tries his best to make everyone use ubuntu and even calls on people with his laptop when they need support.
[12:47] <kaffke> so i want to cheer for dennda
[12:47] <juliux> i only can say +1 for dennda he is realy active in the german irc channels, forum, expos and in the german ubuntu association
[12:47] <sabdfl> that's very awesome
[12:47] <Seveas> other ubuntu-de members to vouch?
[12:47] <smurf_> yes, me ;-)
[12:47] <Seveas> smurf_, then do so ;)
[12:47] <sabdfl> thanks JoeyStanford
[12:48] <JoeyStanford> cheers :-)
[12:48] <kaffke> i want to impress on approving dennda as a member because he is a very commited and dedicated ubuntero
[12:48] <smurf_> I can only repeat what the others said -- vote him in!  ;-)
[12:50] <sabdfl> dennda: seems you have made a good contribution in the media
[12:50] <sabdfl> how can we improve the interaction between loco teams and their local media?
[12:50] <dennda> sabdfl, yes i hope so
[12:50] <dennda> sabdfl, i think it is all about connections
[12:51] <dennda> sabdfl, this means that we have to improve these connections. we can talk to people from the media on events like the LinuxWorldExpo for example
[12:51] <sabdfl> do you think you could draft some guidelines for how loco teams can build and maintain those connections?
[12:51] <mdke> good idea!
[12:51] <dennda> sabdfl, of course
[12:51] <Seveas> yes please
[12:51] <mdke> dennda: please share them on the loco-contacts mailing list
[12:52] <sabdfl> +1 from me on the back of strong advocacy
[12:52] <sabdfl> over a sustained period of time
[12:52] <dennda> i certainly will, but this has to wait at least one week. (i have my schools finish-exams starting on friday, they are very important)
[12:52] <mdke> dennda: that's great. good luck with exams
[12:52] <Seveas> dennda, good luck!
[12:52] <sabdfl> dennda: please could you work with jono on the loco+media plan?
[12:52] <dennda> thank you guys :)
[12:52] <sabdfl> i think we could teach the loco's how to build those relationships
[12:52] <dennda> sabdfl, yes i can
[12:52] <sabdfl> and feed them good announcements for translation and discussion
[12:52] <Seveas> elmo, poke
[12:52] <sabdfl> become a stronger advocacy network
[12:53] <elmo> +1
[12:53] <sabdfl> Seveas: you should now have admin on ubuntu members, and won't expire in June either ;-)
[12:53] <juliux> sabdfl, i will help dennda to talk with jono about how to get in touch with the media
[12:53] <Seveas> sabdfl, great :)
[12:53] <Seveas> atoponce, you're up
[12:53] <atoponce> cool.
[12:53] <sabdfl> ok, welcome pending mako-ness :-)
[12:53] <atoponce> Hello. I'm Aaron Toponce (atoponce), and I have been a long-time Ubuntu user and hacker. I am a member of the UtahTeam, active on IRC and semi-active on the forums. I first started Linux in '99 with Slackware, moved to RPM-based distros and settled down on Ubuntu when Warty was released.
[12:53] <dennda> juliux, thank you very much for that
[12:53] <Seveas> his holy makoness ;)
[12:53] <atoponce> wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AaronToponce
[12:54] <atoponce> launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~aaron-toponce
[12:54] <juliux> gn8 everybody
[12:54] <dennda> thanks everybody
[12:54] <tristanbob> I am here to cheer for Aaron.  He is a great advocate for Ubuntu, and highly devoted to open source.  He does a great job of leading a local LUG, where we often speak about Ubuntu. (Ok, we *ALWAYS* talk about Ubuntu)  ;)
[12:55] <Zelut> I'm here to vouch for atoponce.  I started the UtahTeam about a year ago and he was one of the early members.  I think the best I could say about Aaron is that if I could no longer lead the Utah Team I would ask him to take my place.
[12:55] <dennda> (did you now approve me? sorry i didn't get that ;))
[12:55] <Seveas> dennda, no
[12:55] <Seveas> mako is gone so there's no approval yet
[12:55] <Seveas> he'll have to give his +1 later via mail
[12:55] <dennda> ah ok
[12:55] <dennda> that's fine
[12:56] <Seveas> atoponce, heh, all mp3's are gone?
[12:56] <atoponce> :)  yes. all.  only ogg's, and one i purchased at that
[12:56] <atoponce> 
[12:56] <dennda> then i am going to bed now. thank you everyone and good night!
[12:56] <MagicFab> "pirated" is a bad word :)
[12:56] <Seveas> g'night dennda
[12:57] <atoponce> MagicFab: no argument here.
[12:57] <sabdfl> is that a real plate?
[12:57] <atoponce> sabdfl: yes. it's on my '07 corolla
[12:58] <atoponce> suprisingly enough, it wasn't taken
[12:58] <sabdfl> nice. i think someone in oregon was declined for "ubuntu" there
[12:58] <atoponce> i hope it's okay...
[12:58] <popey> hehe, that's dedication :)
[12:58] <tristanbob> he got the plate before I could!
[12:58] <jenda> Atoponce has been around the marketing team these last months - I've seen him help out. /me raises his hand for atoponce.
[12:58] <sabdfl> because it could be read as u-bunt-u
[12:58] <mdke> wow that rocks
[12:58] <atoponce> sabdfl: yeah. i get people asking all the time what it means
[12:58] <jenda> Besides, atoponce types on the dvorak, which makes him incredibly cool...
[12:58] <atoponce> most can't make it out, so i explain it too him
[12:58] <Seveas> atoponce, ans you even know/use s5, impressive!
[12:59] <atoponce> Seveas: yeah. for my ubuntu-utah presentations
[12:59] <atoponce> easier than carrying around a file on a thumb drive. :)
[12:59] <Seveas> (argh, I'm having enormous lag :(  )
[12:59] <sabdfl> that's a lot of cd's
[01:00] <atoponce> sabdfl: yes. i mainly hand them out on campus. i am lucky to have college departments who are supportive of it
[01:00] <atoponce> if it weren't for my university, i wouldn't be near that number
[01:01] <sabdfl> atoponce: which is your forums page?
[01:01] <atoponce> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=18570
[01:01] <theravingsociety> good night everyone. it was my first ubuntu-meeting and a great pleasure for me to meet sabdfl in irc ;-)
[01:03] <sabdfl> atoponce: +1 from me on the back of loco and forums work
[01:04] <Seveas> Couldn't agree more :)
[01:04] <Seveas> atoponce rocks
[01:04] <atoponce> sabdfl: thx.
[01:04] <sabdfl> elmo?
[01:04] <atoponce> Seveas: thx man
[01:04] <elmo> +1
[01:04] <Seveas> tristanbob, you're up next
[01:04] <tristanbob> Hello everyone, my name is Tristan Rhodes and I am also a member of the Ubuntu Utah Team.  You can start reading about me on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TristanRhodes
[01:04] <Seveas> atoponce, you'll also have to wait for mako
[01:05] <atoponce> Seveas: np
[01:05] <tristanbob> I have been with Ubuntu since the beginning (2004). At that time, I was thinking about running UserLinux as my Linux desktop. Lucky for me, I began hearing about a secret Debian-based distribution (http://no-name-yet.com) that was being created by the "Warty Warthogs".
[01:05] <tristanbob> After downloading and installing the Ubuntu 4.10 Preview Release, I fell in love with Ubuntu at first sight! I was infatuated with how Ubuntu took the best parts of Debian (huge apt repositories, commitment to open source software, great community) and improved on all the things that Debian lacked (regular releases, simple install). It was a dream come true!
[01:05] <tristanbob> I truly believe that the world will be a better place when people of all backgrounds have access to high-quality free software. There is a principle that the more resources that are applied to open source software, the better it becomes for everyone (not just paying customers). That is why I promote the use and adoption of open source software every chance I get.
[01:05] <tristanbob> Open source software is not always better quality than proprietary software, but I do believe it is always ethically superior.
[01:05] <tristanbob> My main contributions have been in advocacy and documentation.  I have presented about Ubuntu in several Linux User Group meetings, and I share my love for Ubuntu to everyone who listens.  :)  My documentation efforts have been on the Ubuntu wiki, and also in my blog.
[01:05] <tristanbob> In the future I hope to create packages for my favorite applications, but as an intermediate step I have created scripts to install these applications on Ubuntu.
[01:06] <Seveas> sabdfl, no-name-yet.com points to changelogs now :)
[01:06] <atoponce> i'm here to root for tristanbob. as president of oalug, it's always good to have someone you can rely on.  tristanbob is my rock in our local lug.  whenever i need something, i know he'll step up to the plate.  heck, if it weren't for him, i would not be here today. 
[01:06] <mdke> tristanbob: what documentation have you worked on?
[01:06] <mdke> (can't see from your wiki page)
[01:06] <elmo> Seveas: meh
[01:06] <mdke> tristanbob: oh sorry, I see it now
[01:06] <tristanbob> mdke: just a few wiki pages - you have corrected my formatting once before.
[01:06] <tristanbob> :)
[01:07] <Seveas> elmo, you read my mind
[01:07] <ogra> Seveas, you got meh in your mind ?
[01:07] <Zelut> I'm also here to root for Tristan.  He's been another very active member of the Utah Team.  He's very knowledgeable and regularly advocates Ubuntu.  I think he's been a good source of recruitment for the team and I'm glad to have him.
[01:08] <mdke> tristanbob: aha, good job
[01:08] <ogra> tristanbob, "Download and test alpha releases (flights, knots, herds, etc) on a virtual machine" thats a very significant contribution we currently can not really measure, do you have any idea or suggestions how we could make the testing more measurable ?
[01:09] <ogra> s/the testing/the contribution to testing/
[01:10] <tristanbob> OgMaciel: I'm not sure... I really just like to follow the improvements as they are made, and file bugs if I run into anything.
[01:10] <OgMaciel> :)
[01:10] <OgMaciel> not me
[01:10] <OgMaciel> hehe
[01:10] <rpereir1> :-)
[01:10] <Seveas> OgMaciel, well from certain angles you look like ogra
[01:11] <OgMaciel> Seveas: hehehehe
[01:11] <sladen> tristanbob: do you think some sort of testing script that 'reported' a success every it was tun would be useful.  sort of like popcon, but for each upgrade of a distribution under test?
[01:11] <ogra> Seveas, lol
[01:11] <sladen> s/tun/run/
[01:11] <sabdfl> tristanbob: thanks for your contributions, +1 from me on the back of advocacy and loco team leadership
[01:12] <tristanbob> sladen: that is a neat idea, I am huge fan of the data gathered from popcon and the hardware database
[01:12] <elmo> +1
[01:13] <Seveas> mr_pouit, you're up now
[01:13] <tristanbob> sabdfl: elmo: Thanks!
[01:13] <mr_pouit> Hello, I'm Lionel, 20 years old french student. I have been an active contributor since the begginning of edgy cycle with packaging and bug triaging.
[01:13] <mr_pouit> Today I'm a bit more focused on integrating my packages into Debian (they are currently in the NEW queue).
[01:13] <mr_pouit> I try to motivate French people to involve in Ubuntu by answering packaging questions (when I know the answer, of course ;) asked on #ubuntu-fr-classroom.
[01:13] <mr_pouit> I'm also a moderator on the ubuntu-fr forum where I try to help users as much as possible
[01:13] <mr_pouit> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LionelLeFolgoc  LP: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit
[01:13] <Seveas> tristanbob, preliminary welcome :)
[01:13] <mr_pouit> Unfortunately, Gauvain Pocentek, who is my main sponsor/mentor, can't be here for the meeting.
[01:13] <MagicFab> French is good :)
[01:14] <Seveas> mr_pouit, did you bring cheerleaders?
[01:14] <atoponce> tristanbob: congrats
[01:14] <MitchM> tristanbob, grats
[01:14] <Sp4rKy> i've done many work with mr_pouit
[01:15] <skateinmars> As a french ubuntu user and ircop, I would like to cheer up for mr_pouit who is really helping people using and contributing to ubuntu.
[01:15] <rpereir1> tristanbob: atoponce: congrats.
[01:15] <Lutin> I work with mr_pouit on the medibuntu project and some other packaging stuff, I can say he's doing really great job
[01:15] <ogra> tristanbob, congrats and dont drop the testing ;)
[01:15] <Sp4rKy> especially in plf & medibuntu work, and in some other packaging stuff
[01:15] <Lutin> and besides spends a lot of time helping out new users with packaging and other stuff
[01:16] <sabdfl> mr_pouit: quite a few new packages during december, what is the main focus of your interest?
[01:16] <Sp4rKy> mr_pouit, like lutin and me, try to help people who try to learn packaging, so we help us creating package and make them better before put them to revu
[01:16] <tristanbob> ogra: thanks - I will keep up the testing (it helps if I use your correct nick)
[01:17] <ogra> tristanbob, yeah, else OgMaciel had to grow a lot of hair :)
[01:17] <Toadstool> he's done a really good packaging job so far
[01:17] <sabdfl> mr_pouit: how many people would you say you have mentored as part of MOTU?
[01:17] <OgMaciel> ogra: hehehehe
[01:17] <mr_pouit> sabdfl, in fact, I received a macbook during december, and I spend a lot of time to "play" with it
[01:18] <mr_pouit> sabdfl, hmm, I help 3, 4 french packagers :)
[01:18] <mr_pouit> sabdfl, that's why I made less packages during december
[01:19] <mr_pouit> (yes, I answer to the questions in the wrong order ^^)
[01:19] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me for mr_pouit on the back of packaging, and I encourage you to join MOTU formally!
[01:19] <OgMaciel> ogra: maybe there's some similarities?  http://planeta.gnulinuxbrasil.org/images/og.png  :)
[01:19] <mr_pouit> sabdfl, thanks :)
[01:19] <elmo> +1 too
[01:19] <FeistyFa1n> sorry, my internete connection dropped
[01:19] <sabdfl> semi-welcome aboard :-)
[01:20] <FeistyFa1n> where are we?
[01:20] <sabdfl> Gwaihir: ?
[01:20] <Gwaihir> ready...
[01:20] <Seveas> looks good
[01:20] <Gwaihir> Ciao everyone, my full and real name is Milo Casagrande ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MiloCasagrande / https://launchpad.net/~milo )
[01:20] <Gwaihir> I've contributed to Ubuntu mainly with translations (documentation and software) for the italian team and to the italian wiki, I'm one of the administrators of the Ubuntu Italian Translators team and of the new Ubuntu Italian Documentation team and also a new member of the "Consiglio della comunit italiana di Ubuntu" (read as locoteam)
[01:20] <Gwaihir> I am involved with the "upstream" italian team of GNOME trying to improve the collaboration with Rosetta/Ubuntu
[01:20] <mr_pouit> elmo, thanks ;)
[01:20] <ogra> OgMaciel, you definately care more for your beard ... but lets stop that now to not spam the channel :)
[01:20] <OgMaciel> hehehe
[01:21] <mdke> I'd like to champion Gwaihir. He is one of the most substantial contributors to the Italian community, admin of the translation team, and has recently been added to the group of 5 on our Italian Locoteam Council. He puts in loads of work and works well with different communities (see his work with Gnome upstream translators)
[01:21] <mdke> he's also sent patches to the English documentation, for which we are thankful too
[01:21] <Gwaihir> thanks mdke
[01:22] <mlind> sorry, I gotta bail. Vorian_ gets my +1 for contributing @ ubuntuforums. good night all.
[01:22] <Seveaz> mdke: impressive
[01:22] <mdke> yeah, he rocks
[01:22] <mdke> works very well to introduce new users to contributing to translation and so on, as well as doing loads of translation himself
[01:23] <Gwaihir> now i'm trying to improve also the collaboration with debian translators...
[01:24] <Gwaihir> for the debian documentation that is inside rosetta and that we are translating
[01:25] <elmo> +1 from me
[01:25] <sabdfl> Gwaihir: where would you say you've made your biggest contribution to the project?
[01:26] <Gwaihir> on the italian wiki
[01:26] <sabdfl> and when did you start that effort?
[01:26] <Gwaihir> translating and shaping it
[01:26] <Gwaihir> I started using ubuntu in 2004 with warty
[01:27] <sabdfl> are the different parts of the italian ubuntu community now working well together?
[01:27] <mdke> sabdfl: seriously :)
[01:27] <sabdfl> glad to hear it :-)
[01:27] <DktrKranz> i can confirm it ;)
[01:27] <Gwaihir> yes, forum and wiki are working well toghether
[01:27] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me for Gwaihir on the back of loco and wiki contributions over a long time
[01:27] <mdke> sabdfl: I posted an update here: http://www.mdke.org/?p=74, for when you have a rainy day
[01:27] <mdke> or a rainy minute
[01:27] <sabdfl> welcome pending mako's thoughts!
[01:28] <Seveaz> next is Vorian_
[01:28] <Vorian_> Hello! I am Stephen Stalcup | https://launchpad.net/~stalcups | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup | Ohio Team Leader and appointed Forums Council Secretary at today's Forums Council meeting.
[01:28] <Gwaihir> that's great.. .thanks sabdfl,
[01:28] <Gwaihir> thanks elmo too
[01:28] <rpereir1> Gwaihir: congrats.
[01:28] <sabdfl> mdke: nice update, thanks for the url
[01:28] <mdke> sabdfl: sure
[01:28] <Gwaihir> thanks all guys
[01:29] <Seveas> any ohio folks around to cheer?
[01:29] <meatballhat> I am here to cheer for Vorian_.  Since founding the Ohio LoCo Team he has been incredibly active in encouraging new membership and participation.  He leads our Team with balance and clarity, and is brimming with ideas for Ubuntu advocacy.  Aside from all that, he's a perfect gentleman :)
[01:29] <Vorian_> I had some pre meeting cheers from ubuntugeek and PriceChild..
[01:29] <Vorian_> [16:11]  <ubuntugeek> I'll also vouch for vorian's membership .. i gotta leave in 15 minutes :)
[01:29] <Vorian_> [16:12]  <PriceChild> I'll vouch for Vorian_
[01:29] <sabdfl> team ohio! land of the famous linuxfest :-)
[01:29] <jacobmp92> Vorian has been very active in the Ohio Loco meetings, and has gotten the whole thing off of the ground
[01:29] <Seveas> Vorian_, nice postcount as well
[01:29] <BuffaloSoldier> I am here cheering for Vorian_, he is a very valuable and knowledgable forum staff and a nice guy :)
[01:29] <mdke> ohio is obviously Ubuntu territory
[01:29] <Vorian_> sabdfl: woot!
[01:30] <Vorian_> mdke: yes it is!
[01:30] <mdke> cool
[01:31] <theidiotthatisme> I also am here to cheer for Vorian_! He recently encouraged me in joining the Ohio LoCo team and has provided large amounts of encouragement and support for starting projects within the team
[01:31] <Vorian_> We are working hard to become an approved team,
[01:31] <sabdfl> bit short of coffee beans there, surely?
[01:31] <Vorian_> ubuntugeek stole them... hehe
[01:31] <zenwhen> Am I too late to cheer for Vorian_
[01:32] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me on the back of loco team leadership and forums contribution, and support from many august members
[01:32] <jacobmp92> zenwhen, cheer now, you are right on time
[01:32] <coz_> zenwhen, go to the meeting and offer your aupport?
[01:32] <jenda> zenwhen: just in time ;)
[01:32] <mdke> cheer away zenwhen
[01:32] <sabdfl> and a VERY neat wiki page :-)
[01:32] <sabdfl> elmo?
[01:32] <zenwhen> Vorian is great, has been a great staffer, and I would put my name behind him.
[01:32] <elmo> +1
[01:33] <Seveas> great :)
[01:33] <sabdfl> alrighty then
[01:33] <Seveas> DktrKranz, you're up
[01:33] <Vorian_> thanks guys!
[01:33] <DktrKranz> here we go
[01:33] <DktrKranz> i, my name is Luca Falavigna (Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucaFalavigna, Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~dktrkranz). I'm a 23-year-old boy living in Italy
[01:33] <Seveas> DktrKranz, is LAST on the list :)
[01:33] <DktrKranz> I started using Ubuntu with Breezy after a long "partnership" with Debian and now I would like to give my contribute back to Ubuntu community
[01:33] <popey> I'm here to support Luca. He's done a tremendous amount on the support tickets - #1 contributor to Ubuntu with 35 Million karma! (I'll catch you one day soon Luca! :) )
[01:33] <DktrKranz> I started by helping people with Support tracker trying to solve their requests and by writing https://help.launchpad.net/SupportTrackerTour help page
[01:33] <DktrKranz> I'm also active on Italian Ubuntu Forum and I recently became a Moderator
[01:33] <DktrKranz> Now I would like to provide some more help to bug triaging and develop Forum Ambassadors (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/forum-ambassadors) for Italian forum too
[01:33] <DktrKranz> I just finished talking in #ubuntu-it-meeting about it
[01:33] <DktrKranz> what a night! :)
[01:33] <mdke> ok, at the risk of OD-ing on cheerleading, I'd like to support DktrKranz too. He is LP karma leader, thanks to sabdfl's gratuitous plugging of the support tracker ;p and has contributed substantially in the Italian community too; recently becoming a forum moderator and I've been hearing lots of good things about his work on the forum. Support tracker stuff speaks for itself, obviously
[01:33] <Seveas> 35 million karma....
[01:33] <Seveas> INSANE
[01:33] <DktrKranz> ahah popey :D
[01:34] <popey> :)
[01:34] <Seveas> ah, but the support tracker is very generous it seems ;)
[01:34] <sabdfl> that's pretty incredible luca
[01:34] <DktrKranz> it IS incredible ;)
[01:34] <sabdfl> karma rebalancing is inevitable but should not detract from this sort of contribution
[01:34] <dsas> DktrKranz has done loads of support tracker work, he overtook me on it quite quickly
[01:34] <DktrKranz> i would like to fill a new bug: "too much karma for a single user" :D
[01:34] <mdke> absolutely
[01:35] <popey> oi!
[01:35] <popey> not yet! :)
[01:35] <Seveas> karma overflow ;)
[01:35] <sabdfl> +1 from me just on the basis of support work
[01:35] <mdke> he's also very humble, I convinced him to apply this evening
[01:35] <DktrKranz> Seveas, :)
[01:36] <DktrKranz> i already heard it.....
[01:36] <sabdfl> DktrKranz: are you in touch with flacoste at all on improvements planned for the answer tracker?
[01:36] <elmo> ha ha ha
[01:36] <DktrKranz> yes
[01:36] <elmo> THIRTY FIVE MILLION
[01:36] <mdke> lol
[01:36] <sabdfl> elmo: yes, we know it doesn't track new servers installed in the datacenter and give karma for that...
[01:36] <DktrKranz> if he needs help in translating LP, count on me ok?
[01:36] <sladen> that's going to overflow soon!
[01:36] <dsas> I keep imagining little fingers going to mouths as people say that.
[01:36] <elmo> I vote +35,000,000
[01:36] <DktrKranz> ahah
[01:36] <popey> :)
[01:37] <sabdfl> on that happy note...
[01:37] <sabdfl> WELCOME ABOARD!
[01:37] <mdke> good work DktrKranz, keep it up
[01:37] <popey> \o/ welcome DktrKranz
[01:37] <dsas> well done Luca
[01:37] <sabdfl> i think that concludes another CC meeting of NOTE
[01:37] <DktrKranz> so 35.000.000 thanks :D
[01:37] <zenwhen> welcome
[01:37] <Gwaihir> good work DktrKranz
[01:37] <sabdfl> seveas, thanks for keeping us on track
[01:37] <mdke> good meeting, thanks go to Seveas
[01:37] <rpereir1> welcome.
[01:37] <Seveas> sabdfl, I'll keepmako on track tomorrow
[01:37] <DktrKranz> a specia thank to mdke, dsas and popey
[01:37] <sabdfl> will you send mako a transcript of everything after he left and ask him to ack+mark in LP those ones?
[01:38] <sabdfl> thanks
[01:38] <Seveas> have to go to bed now, have to get up in 5 hours
[01:38] <DktrKranz> thanks Milo :D
[01:38] <sabdfl> and please ack the ones we handled completely tonight, tomorrow :-)
[01:38] <Seveas> will do
[01:38] <sabdfl> so those email addresses should be available soon
[01:38] <sabdfl> thanks all
[01:38] <Seveas> g'night all!
[01:38] <sabdfl> and good night!
[01:38] <zenwhen> thanks
[01:38] <popey> nn
[01:38] <Gwaihir> thansk
[01:38] <DktrKranz> thank you sabdfl
[01:38] <rpereir1> Thanks.
[01:38] <Vorian_> thanks
[01:38] <mdke> night all
[01:38] <rpereir1> G'night
[01:38] <Gwaihir> night all
[01:39] <DktrKranz> nite
[01:39] <auge> gnight all
[01:39] <somerville32> :)
[01:42] <RAV_TUX> I hope I am not too late?
[01:42] <dsas> RAV_TUX: We've just finished. sorry.
[01:42] <RAV_TUX> dsas: I hope Vorian got appointed as member?
[01:43] <dsas> RAV_TUX: he did yes
[01:43] <RAV_TUX> dsas: Awesome!
[01:44] <RAV_TUX> Have a great day/night all
[01:46] <Vorian_> hey RAV_TUX !
[01:56] <Lutin> g'night guys
[01:59] <mr_pouit> 'night
[02:23] <ypsila> ???
[02:26] <ypsila> help
[02:27] <ypsila> any europeans here?
[02:34] <dsas> ypsila: what's the problem?
[02:38] <ypsila> no problem!
[02:39] <ypsila> i would just have contact to other countries in europe
[02:40] <Yann2> ?
[02:40] <Yann2> what for?
[02:40] <ypsila> contact?
[02:41] <ypsila> to see what others do better or not?
[02:41] <Yann2> i'm from ubuntufr... dude you're in europe and still awake ? :p
[02:42] <Yann2> i'd be glad to tell you about us, but i've to go to bed now ;)
[02:42] <Yann2> see you tomorrow
[02:42] <ypsila> dors bien
[02:42] <Yann2> merci :)
[02:42] <ypsila> et
[02:43] <apokryphos> most people on Freenode are Europeans, I'd say
[02:43] <ypsila> je suis
[02:43] <apokryphos> you can join us all for a chat in #ubuntu-offtopic =)
[02:43] <ypsila> une femme!
[02:43] <Yann2> ... and? that happens ^^
[02:43] <Yann2> so, bye!
[02:44] <ypsila> apokryphos: I do not care about nationality nor sex
[02:44] <apokryphos> there are people of all genders and nationalities in there
[02:44] <ypsila> yes
[02:45] <ypsila> and I think that is a very good way
[02:45] <ypsila> may I assume that you are from greece?
[02:47] <apokryphos> from there, yes, but live in London
[02:47] <apokryphos> join us in #ubuntu-offtopic though -- that's the place to talk.
[02:47] <apokryphos> this place is reserved for scheduled meetings
[02:48] <ypsila> apokryphos:  I apologize
[02:48] <apokryphos> no worries
[01:01] <juliux> hi all
[01:01] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[01:01] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 12 Jan 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Jan 07:00: Technical Board | 18 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu | 18 Jan 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jan 02:00: Xubuntu
[01:02] <RichEd> hi all ... back in 1 min and then we kick off
[01:03] <kgoetz> hi willvdl
[01:03] <RichEd> right let's get going ...
[01:04] <RichEd> TECHNICAL UPDATE
[01:04] <ogra> sorry, building herd2 alongside the meeting
[01:04] <ogra> so most important for tech ...
[01:05] <ogra> we'll have herd2 this week, PLEASE TEST !!!!
[01:05] <ogra> the next CD build on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/ should be ready to test
[01:05] <ogra> (20070110)
[01:06] <ogra> apart from that i worked massively on the new sound architecture for ltsp last week, we'll soon have volume control and mic support there
[01:06] <ogra> there are some licence gliches with thze flash support library we need for backwards compatibility with the old esd architecture ...
[01:07] <ogra> i'm not yet sure we'll get that sorted ...
[01:07] <ogra> if we dont, we wont have sound support on systems where admins upgraded the server but not their ltsp install
[01:07] <willvdl> hmm, flash licences.
[01:07] <ogra> so that will need mentioning in the docs for feisty
[01:07] <ogra> its not flash
[01:08] <ogra> the new flash9 offers a programmer API to attach any kind of sound backend
[01:08] <willvdl> thought I was confused
[01:08] <RichEd> ogra: please explain "upgraded the server but not LTSP install" ...
[01:08] <ogra> but to make it possible to hack on that they introduced an opensourced library ...
[01:08] <Mithrandir> willvdl: the libflashsupport library uses openssl and lgpl-ed libs which uses gpl-ed libs, and the openssl and GPL licences are incompatibly.
[01:08] <Mithrandir> s/y.$/e./
[01:09] <willvdl> thanks
[01:09] <ogra> RichEd, the ltsp clients have their own linux system *inside* the server
[01:09] <ogra> you can get away with only upgrading the server and keep the old installation of ltsp in the old state ...
[01:09] <RichEd> so why would someone update the server only ? any decent reason ?
[01:09] <rodarvus> ogra, anything you want specifically tested besides that for Herd 2?
[01:10] <ogra> which usually does no harm unless we change the package selection in ltsp massively
[01:11] <ogra> rodarvus, in the links sercion of the edubuntu part on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current are some instructions and links to more
[01:11] <ogra> *section
[01:11] <kgoetz> RichEd: not thinking about it would be my excuse ;)
[01:11] <rodarvus> nice
[01:12] <RichEd> my issue is : do we worry about a workaround / fix or do we just document what they should be dong themselves.
[01:12] <RichEd> doing not dong :)
[01:12] <ogra> edsadmin (piece of the network auth spec) also has license issues ...
[01:12] <kgoetz> RichEd: you shouldnt force people to upgrade
[01:12] <ogra> seems feisty will become my bureocracy release, where i have more to do with licenses and main inclusion reports than code :)
[01:13] <ogra> RichEd, why should i upgrade a server that works fine ...
[01:13] <rodarvus> ogra, Testing/Current lists 20061025 as current edubuntu. I suppose cdimage.u.c has something newer, right? :)
[01:13] <ogra> many admins will go with the "never touch a running system" approach
[01:14] <ogra> rodarvus, yes, Testing/Current will get an overhaul anyway, i just wanted to point to the testing procedure
[01:14] <RichEd> ogra & kgoetz: but they have upgraded the server ??? so they have made a decision, but only gone 1/2 way thourgh the process ... or is that not a valid thought appraoch
[01:14] <rodarvus> sure
[01:14] <ogra> the links have some edubuntu sepcific tests ...
[01:14] <kgoetz> RichEd: upgrading clients and upgraing servers is two thoughts, not one
[01:14] <ogra> apart from that the normal ubuntu testing should be done
[01:14] <kgoetz> and, for that matter, two actions
[01:14] <ogra> right
[01:15] <ogra> at some point i want to automate that so update-amanger will upgrade the thin clients as well
[01:15] <kgoetz> i'd be... 'unhappy' if i got forced to upgrade parts of my ltsp 'because you said'
[01:15] <ogra> but thats rather something for feisty+2
[01:15] <RichEd> But the LTSP client resides in the server ... so essentially it is an update of the one box ?
[01:15] <ogra> or for +1 if we get more manpower ;)
[01:16] <ogra> RichEd, try to see it as two distinct systems
[01:16] <kgoetz> RichEd: the packages are on one host yes, where they get installed and how is two seperate processes
[01:16] <ogra> right
[01:16] <ogra> a future target is to merge that ...
[01:16] <kgoetz> we can both have a ~ on a server, we dont mess with each others ~/Desktops though :)
[01:16] <RichEd> okay ... I am happy to accept that, just want to make sure we are not creating work for ourselves when "a dual upgrade" may be a more natural appraoch.
[01:16] <RichEd> *approach
[01:17] <ogra> its just something that we need to document
[01:17] <ogra> we always forced upgrades of ltsp ... even rebuilds ...
[01:17] <ogra> but ltsp is now in a state where thats not urgently necessary anymore
[01:18] <ogra> so people who want to keep the old client setup can do so ...
[01:18] <ogra> but will loose flash sound ...
[01:18] <RichEd> I'm just trying to understand if there would be a valid reason / circumstances why someone would want to update the server only.
[01:19] <ogra> (unless i find that libflashsupport works without libssl support)
[01:19] <ogra> RichEd, because they forgot about the fact that ltsp needs to be upgraded separately for example ...
[01:20] <RichEd> ogra: but that is an omission ... not a reason :)
[01:20] <ogra> anyway, lets not discuss that to death, time is limited
[01:20] <RichEd> okay
[01:20] <ogra> just note that we need that documented, i'll care for the technical side
[01:20] <willvdl> noted
[01:21] <ogra> beyond that i merged a lot of ltsp fixes from contributors (i reviewed about about 100 patches during the christmas holidays)
[01:22] <ogra> and had to care for my general ubuntu stuff (gnome-screensaver, gnome-power-manager, package merges)
[01:22] <ogra> thats it from the tech side
[01:22] <willvdl> I don't imagine cbx33 has had much time to work on the MOTD/ldm login thingy he showed last time
[01:22] <ogra> he should rather get up to speed with SCP ;)
[01:22] <ogra> even ldm/MOTDS is a nice thing i'd rather see that SCP is done by release ;)
[01:23] <willvdl> Reminder to all, Pete Savage is representing us at BETT at the moment
[01:23] <RichEd> ogra: w.r.t. rodarvus and his increased bandwidth for education ... can you "sit with him" to see what he can take over naturally to ease your load ?
[01:24] <rodarvus> ogra, we can do it anytime you want, just arrange the meeting when you're available
[01:24] <ogra> starting with CD testing, seed management and management of the metapackages would be a big help already ...
[01:24] <rodarvus> (after herd 2, I suppose)
[01:24] <ogra> oh, and CD building ...
[01:24] <ogra> that should suffice for a start ...
[01:24] <rodarvus> nice
[01:25] <RichEd> ogra: can you list all of the "sections / components" you look after and mail to rodarvus and myself. i'll need this for the overview page anyway
[01:25] <ogra> RichEd, ok
[01:25] <RichEd> thanks
[01:26] <ogra> rodarvus, i'll be travelling a lot this cycle ... so we should see that you are up to speed with most of the above before herd4
[01:26] <rodarvus> indeed
[01:26] <rodarvus> we need to do that asap
[01:26] <ogra> there might be coming CD builds where i'm not around or even able to get online ...
[01:26] <rodarvus> we can arrange for me to arrive "at work" a few hours earlier every day, so we have more time to communicate
[01:27] <ogra> note that we wont need to care for ppc to much
[01:27] <rodarvus> (while you're passing me these duties)
[01:27] <ogra> so if you cant test it thats ok for a milestone
[01:27] <rodarvus> ok. I have ppc here, but it needs to be arranged a few days in advance for testing
[01:28] <ogra> (ppc is officially a community port from feisty on)
[01:28] <rodarvus> yup
[01:28] <RichEd> [01:28] <RichEd> Anyone with anything here ?
[01:28] <ogra> well, its up to you ... if you can test it we dont need to care to much on the official side ... its expected that the community takes more responsibilities here
[01:29] <ogra> s/can/cant/
[01:29] <willvdl> In the classic tradition of me mixing tech docs with other docs...
[01:29] <willvdl> It's been mentioned a few times that we need to look at the scope of the handbook carefully
[01:30] <willvdl> so that we can make use of topic based help etc. in the future (and present)
[01:32] <ogra> could someone from our doc team prepare a svn checkout of selected docs i casn put into the edubuntu-docs package ? so we can get up to speed with the packaging after herd2 ?
[01:32] <ogra> (and send it to me)
[01:33] <willvdl> will ask on the doc-team channels
[01:33] <ogra> edubuntu-docs is still empty ... and you guys know the quality of the specific docs and whicdh are shippable and which not (i hope) ...
[01:33] <willvdl> perhaps LaserJock or nixternal might be of most help here
[01:34] <ogra> yep
[01:35] <ogra> oh, LaserJock started a nice discussion on the ML about packages for the second CD ... please participate there to keep it running ... we need an applist ...
[01:36] <ogra> (and tons of main inclusion reports)
[01:36] <willvdl> will speak to him about maintaining the discussion on the wiki-spec page
[01:36] <willvdl> moodle popped up a few times
[01:37] <ogra> well i think we reach more people through the ML
[01:37] <ogra> i know :(
[01:37] <ogra> moodle is my big nightmare
[01:37] <ogra> it needs repackaging
[01:37] <willvdl> ogra, meaning his list is under his wiki "home"
[01:37] <ogra> thats fine, we can put the final list somewhere else ...
[01:38] <ogra> this way people wont start linking to a WIP doc ;)
[01:38] <willvdl> I like WIP docs :)
[01:38] <ogra> i know ;)
[01:39] <willvdl> on the wiki side: still busy archiving, cleaning and scraping stuff around
[01:39] <willvdl> whenever I get a chance
[01:39] <ogra> yeah, some people already complained :P
[01:39] <RichEd> ?? about ?
[01:40] <ogra> there was a breezy user who was looking for the lts.conf parameters wikipage ...
[01:40] <ogra> i wouldnt even have expected people to still run breezy ltsp ... it was so minimal
[01:40] <willvdl> I stopped deleting stuff without redirects after that
[01:40] <ogra> thats good
[01:41] <willvdl> ogra, the info is still there (never removed any breezy stuff) but was duplicated on help.u.c
[01:41] <RichEd> have we come to any conclusion / standard as to how we maintain similar info for releases ?
[01:41] <ogra> willvdl, right, but i couldnt point him to my bookmarked page :)
[01:41] <willvdl> the doc-team has a spec on the subject
[01:42] <willvdl> so any technical docs that end up on help.u.c is at the command of the doc-team
[01:42] <willvdl> they are aware of the issues but still need to resolve a plan
[01:42] <ogra> which is represented by LaserJock and nixternal for us
[01:43] <willvdl> for release notes, etc or anything that goes on wiki.u.c, we just need to be intelligent on our naming
[01:43] <ogra> but i'd like to not put to much load on LaserJock here, he's busy with assembling the second CD list and he wanted to take a lot of the MIRs
[01:44] <willvdl> when pips1 is around, we can put some effort into shaping our wiki pages to be release specific etc.
[01:45] <ogra> good
[01:45] <RichEd> okay ... we must get this right ... it will avoid a lot of frustration & admin
[01:46] <RichEd> ready to move on to artwork ?
[01:46] <willvdl> it is straightforward enough to do. as ogra put it last time, simply using the namespace correctly solves most things
[01:46] <ogra> right
[01:46] <RichEd> [01:47] <ogra> well, given that cbx33 is missing and AliasVegas isnt around either ... what about artwokr ?
[01:47] <RichEd> As willvdl mentioned ... cbx33 is not here today ... he is at BETT ... more on that later.
[01:47] <ogra> there was still no mail or something to the artwork mailing list ...
[01:47] <ogra> ah
[01:48] <RichEd> Do you have any urgent artwork issues ogra ... or can we leave the topic for next week ?
[01:48] <ogra> i'd really like to see something going on ... would be nice to have the artwork on schedule ... feature freeze is on feb 8th
[01:48] <willvdl> okie. will chat to cbx33 about it again when he's back
[01:48] <ogra> by then we should at least have a basic concept ...
[01:49] <RichEd> moving on ...
[01:49] <RichEd> [01:50] <RichEd> Community wise ... edubuntu is represented at 2 big events this week and next week:
[01:50] <RichEd> #1 BETT show in the UK - today, tomorrow & friday
[01:51] <RichEd> Pete Savage (cbx33) is sharing a stand with Open Source Europe on our behalf
[01:51] <willvdl>  : OpenForum Europe
[01:51] <RichEd> (thanks)
[01:51] <RichEd> Jono Bacon is cruising the exhibition halls & training area and networking for Edubuntu and Ubuntu community
[01:52] <ogra> in case you didnt read the UWN ... there is also http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8392/53/
[01:52] <RichEd> If anyone is interested: http://www.bettshow.com/
[01:52] <ogra> :)
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[01:52] <RichEd> BETT is the world's leading educational information & communications technologies (ICT) event, attracting 600 educational suppliers and over 28000 visitors, and bringing together the global teaching and learning community for four days of innovations and inspirations.
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[01:53] <RichEd> BETT = British Education and Training Technology
[01:54] <RichEd> There are a few other Open Source exhibitors there, and we hope that there will be some good networking with them.
[01:54] <RichEd> #2 Linux Conference Australia - in Sydney ... next week Mon-Fri
[01:55] <RichEd> I'll be representing Edubuntu there, and will be delivering a presentation at the Education Mini Conference.
[01:55] <juliux> i in germany we will present ubuntu via edubuntu and edubuntu on all big expos
[01:56] <RichEd> Part will be a presentation on Edubuntu and where we are and where we have come from ...
[01:56] <willvdl> cbx33 created an edubuntu leaflet for BETT
[01:57] <willvdl> haven't had time yet to pop it into the marketing team channels but will do so soon
[01:57] <RichEd> And then I will be trying to get a discussion going around how we take the spirit of Open Source software developement into the classroom to get the teachers & learners working in a collaborative way to address software / curriculum.
[01:57] <juliux> willvdl, cool
[01:58] <juliux> willvdl, did you have a link to the leaflet?
[01:58] <willvdl> RichEd, are there workshops or just presentations?
[01:58] <RichEd> So I hope to recruit people for our mailing lists and community, more from the end-user / education space than from the technical space.
[01:58] <willvdl> juliux, not at the moment but can email to you
[01:58] <juliux> willvdl, thxs
[01:58] <willvdl> RichEd, great
[01:59] <RichEd> Will I have 40 mins available ... I will present for about 25-30 and then explain how we are now looking at addressing the gap between desktop o/s and curriculum delvivery.
[01:59] <RichEd> *delivery
[02:00] <RichEd> I'll try to get people discussing in the meeting room, and then will take it offline for informal chats. There are quite a few Open Source and Education contacts there, also giving presentations, so we will be able to share ideas.
[02:01] <RichEd> Ubuntu is also well represented at the main conference ... 3 or 4 presentations and some demo's as well.
[02:01] <RichEd> This is the key Open Source conference for Australia for 2007 ... so we will have a good joint presence.
[02:01] <RichEd> ---
[02:02] <kgoetz> i'll try and make it to edubuntu stuff, just let me know when it is ;)
[02:02] <RichEd> kgoetz: monday :)
[02:02] <kgoetz> RichEd: ah, ok. i'll be there :)
[02:03] <RichEd> Further on the community side, pips1 will be available from next week, and we will be (finally) getting the education community site. Lots of discussion and planning has been done, and now we need to get the site running.
[02:04] <RichEd> ---
[02:04] <willvdl> and we need nominations for the EC
[02:04] <RichEd> ogra: is the EC vote on the first meeting of the month ?
[02:04] <ogra> usually, yes
[02:05] <RichEd> Either way, I'd like to nominate willvdl & cbx33
[02:05] <RichEd> How many positions do we need to fill ?
[02:05] <ogra> but for a new EC memeber we should first have a call on the ML and some nominations
[02:05] <ogra> only jeromes
[02:06] <ogra> i thought about having someone nominate someone on the ML, if this gets a second the person is on the list for the vote
[02:06] <RichEd> And for the balance of community / canonical ... do we need an external or internal person ?
[02:06] <RichEd> I presume community if it is to replace Jerome ?
[02:06] <ogra> we initially said we want more community members than employees
[02:06] <RichEd> And what dictates the size of the EC ?
[02:07] <ogra> but i dont really see a reason why we shouldnt rotate that and say this time we'll have more employees, next time more community people again
[02:07] <ogra> we wanted to have an odd number to make decisions easier ... and five sounded like a good number
[02:08] <ogra> there was never a dictate for amount of members
[02:08] <ogra> we can go on with four as well ...
[02:08] <ogra> even with three
[02:08] <RichEd> 3 is a bit low ...
[02:08] <ogra> i like odd numbers more though ...
[02:08] <ogra> right
[02:08] <RichEd> let's get up to 5 again in feb i think
[02:09] <ogra> but more than 5 is overkill
[02:09] <ogra> right
[02:09] <willvdl> agree
[02:09] <ogra> even though we're only two EC members here atm, do we want to go over wills application ?
[02:09] <ogra> (if he wants to go for EC he needs tzo be a member anyway)
[02:10] <RichEd> Can you put a call out on the mail list for nominations this month ... and we consider nomination on the 31st Jan and vote on wed 7th Feb
[02:10] <ogra> yep
[02:10] <RichEd> Then we can make sure we have a god EC representation at both meetings.
[02:10] <ogra> yep
[02:11] <RichEd> --- okay that's all from me for today ---
[02:11] <ogra> no EC action ?
[02:11] <RichEd> Anyone else with any issues or topics ?
[02:11] <ogra> will is on the agenda ....
[02:11] <RichEd> sorry ...
[02:12] <ogra> i mean its a no brainer anyway ...
[02:12] <willvdl> I have a brain
[02:12] <ogra> looking at the wikipage there are a lot of substantial contributions ... (would be odd if not for a paied contributor ;) )
[02:13] <ogra> so since i know what will does and how much time he invests in edubuntu thats a general +1 from me
[02:14] <ogra> RichEd, so thats a +1 as well ?
[02:14] <RichEd> indeed
[02:14] <RichEd> +1.5 if that is allowed
[02:14] <ogra> oki, i'll contact LaserJock and highvoltage to confirm ...
[02:14] <willvdl> why thank you
[02:15] <ogra> hmm, we could even set a special rule that two voices suffice as long as we're only 4 members in the EC
[02:15] <willvdl> 50% quorum
[02:15] <RichEd> i'd say rather get support from 1 more via email ...
[02:15] <ogra> RichEd, do you agree ?
[02:15] <ogra> ok
[02:15] <ogra> i'll care then
[02:16] <ogra> willvdl, 50% welcome then ;)
[02:16] <willvdl> Thanks :)
[02:16] <RichEd> 50% could lead to a split
[02:16] <RichEd> And also I am sure that highvoltage will give +1 witrhout even thinking about it :)
[02:16] <RichEd> *wirhout
[02:17] <ogra> i'll give you some time to do your paypal stuff with highvoltage and LaserJock ... bribing is very welcome :P
[02:17] <RichEd> bah
[02:17] <juliux> lol
[02:17] <willvdl> I know where highvoltage lives
[02:17] <ogra> hmm, even though paypal still has no beer-transfer support ...
[02:18] <Hobbsee> ogra: now *there's* a thought for some quick money...from memberships....must be time for another kubuntu meeting with some memberships then...  :P
[02:18] <willvdl> ogra, there's a gap in the market...
[02:18] <RichEd> Okay ... are we ready to wrap up for today ? I have a whack of a document pack to get through before silbs leaves the office today.
[02:18] <ogra> Hobbsee, ;)
[02:18] <willvdl> Woot. thanks folks
[02:18] <ogra> RichEd, indeed, thanks
[02:18] <RichEd> thanks all
[02:21] <RichEd> thanks highvoltage :)
[02:21] <highvoltage> :)
[03:18] <Feral_Kid> Hmmm, looks like I missed it... I guess I should put a little more effort into reading and I would have known the correct channel...
[03:33] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 11 Jan 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jan 21:00: Technical Board | 17 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu | 18 Jan 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Jan 16:00: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu
[03:44] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[03:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 12 Jan 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Jan 07:00: Technical Board | 18 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu | 18 Jan 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jan 02:00: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 23:00: Edubuntu
[03:49] <jenda> Hobbsee: any idea about that?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jenda: none at all - i missed the CC meeting earlier
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !logs
[03:50] <jenda> hmm, i was here for the meeting, but obviously not paying enough attention :)