[12:14] <persia> Toadstool: Aptitude doesn't respect -c, so I'm not sure how to use the local APT repositories.
[12:30] <geser> Adri2000: congrats
[12:34] <Adri2000> thank you geser :)
[12:35] <Toadstool> Adri2000: next step, -dev? :)
[12:35] <somerville32> What happened?
[12:36] <Adri2000> Toadstool: yes, probably :] 
[12:36] <Adri2000> somerville32: I just got approved as a member :p
[12:36] <somerville32> Omgz!
[12:37] <somerville32> I missed the CC!
[12:40] <enyc> Im sure I found the edgy-proposed version on the archive actually... see https://launchpad.net/bugs/77485 etc. -- but its not there now?? somebody please let me know what is going on ;-)
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77485 in qpsmtpd "[SRU]  request: edgy:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:43] <geser> enyc: I can only see that it was uploaded to edgy-proposed, as packages to edgy-proposed aren't let to the archive automatically an archive admin must let them through
[12:46] <enyc> geser: interesting... i thought -proposed was part of the arctive... not separate... please let me know how this works
[12:50] <geser> enyc: it's part of the archive but the admins can set for edgy, edgy-proposed, edgy-updates, feisty independent if new uploads are accepted automatically (feisty), manual (edgy-proposed) or not at al (edgy)
[12:52] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:53] <geser> hello bddebian 
[12:53] <enyc> geser: right... so I need no be asking archive team to do this accept from  edgy-proposed  somehow? (not sure how to explain to them)
[12:53] <bddebian> Heya geser
[12:56] <somerville32> LaserJock, Did you get a chance to reupload my package?
[12:56] <LaserJock> somerville32: oh yeah, I just wanted to confirm with you that it should be (that somebody hasn't already done it, etc.) as you pinged me 2am 
[12:57] <somerville32> LaserJock: Not that I know of :] 
[12:57] <LaserJock> somerville32: so I'll do it now then
[12:57] <somerville32> thanks
[12:57] <geser> enyc: I assume they should spot it on their own but if it isn't there after some time (say a week or two) you can ask them gently
[12:58] <geser> enyc: the normal queue is visible but afaik not the queue for egdy-proposed
[12:59] <geser> for mere mortals
[01:02] <enyc> geser: bah confusing... o well ;-)
[01:02] <enyc> geser: I understand... upload queue
[02:42] <LaserJock> darn, it's hard to think of pings with content now :/
[02:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol
[02:44] <Nafallo> haha
[02:45] <apokryphos> me too
[02:45] <Nafallo> a what?
[02:45] <apokryphos> the presentation on them today was such an annoying tease
[02:45] <imbrandon> apokryphos, ++
[02:45] <imbrandon> Nafallo, apples new phone / ipod / media thing
[02:45] <Nafallo> eeew
[02:45] <imbrandon> along with AppleTV
[02:45] <Nafallo> I don't want that :-)
[02:46] <imbrandon> looks nice too
[02:46] <apokryphos> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote/
[02:47] <apokryphos> no shortage of software celebrities at their conferences, too, it seems. Google CEO, Yahoo co-founder...
[02:55] <somerville32> imbrandon: What happened to the build boxs?
[02:56] <imbrandon> they are all getting upgrades, i've just been lax about accounts and ips
[02:56] <imbrandon> i'll get on it asap i guess hehehehe
[02:57] <imbrandon> i replaced all the 32bit with 64bit dual core or better and lots more ram
[02:57] <imbrandon> :)
[02:59] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee, imbrandon 
[02:59] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[03:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ship some of the 32-bit boxes this way
[03:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, imbrandon
[03:00] <imbrandon> moins bddebian 
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[03:01] <imbrandon> i know, konversation
[03:01] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:02] <imbrandon> grr if i run twinview computer keeps hard locking
[03:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch, where can i get the source / binarys for that new nv driver
[03:03] <ajmitch> imbrandon: haha funny
[03:03] <imbrandon> i wanna see if it will stop my hard locks
[03:03] <ajmitch> you'll need to do things like upgrade libdrm, compile a kernel module, etc
[03:04] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:04] <ajmitch> nouveau.freedesktop.org
[03:04] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:04] <ajmitch> it is *not* stable or complete
[03:04] <Kyral> why do I hang out here again?
[03:04] <ajmitch> the 2d part requires you use the drm kernel module for mem allocation
[03:04] <imbrandon> hrm , binary lockups or nv no 3d
[03:04] <ajmitch> Kyral: we have no idea
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Kyral: because you'r einsane
[03:04] <imbrandon> Kyral, you love us
[03:05] <Hobbsee> RT finally got back about u-u-s mailing list...
[03:05] <imbrandon> brb reboot
[03:08] <bddebian> Damn, I swear that REVU is like some kind of perpetual motion machine...
[03:08] <persia> bddebian: How so?
[03:09] <bddebian> persia: Every time I look it seems like there is more and more..
[03:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why?
[03:09] <joejaxx> anyone knows whether ubuntu uses the stable or testing netinstall image for the ubuntu install disc?
[03:09] <ajmitch> lost motivation to do anything :)
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :P
[03:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well you have to correct all my mistakes :-)
[03:09] <ajmitch> nah
[03:10] <ajmitch> you can do just fine by yourself
[03:10] <bddebian> No, I can't :-(
[03:10] <bddebian> I can't even get my own packages in :(
[03:10] <somerville32> imbrandon: You already gave me a new account
[03:11] <somerville32> imbrandon, but now when I try to connect, they time out
[03:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: pshaw
[03:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: you'll survive
[03:13] <imbrandon> somerville32, yea they are all powered down at the moment , redoing some cabling etc to get them all on the same vlan 
[03:13] <imbrandon> so i can make one account domain ( ldap ) for the whole mess
[03:13] <imbrandon> etc
[03:14] <somerville32> cool :] 
[03:14] <imbrandon> thats why i said service might be iffy for the next week or so 
[03:14] <somerville32> kk
[03:14] <somerville32> Do you have any experience with ltsp, btw?
[03:15] <imbrandon> limited, i mostly only know/use the pxe booting part ( i have a deployment server that pxe boots the linux / windows installs and kickstarts them when i build a new box )
[03:15] <imbrandon> as far as desktop pxe no
[03:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock has some experince with it iirc ( edubuntu )
[03:15] <somerville32> If you have time, do you think you could give me a crash course in ldap?
[03:16] <imbrandon> ldap is pretty sreight forward but yea i can sometime
[03:16] <Nafallo> imbrandon, somerville32: dudes. count me in on that one :-)
[03:16] <imbrandon> the ladap or buildd's ?
[03:17] <Nafallo> both would be good :-)
[03:17] <imbrandon> the builds i'm just making it sync from LP MOTU group so you'll have an account
[03:17] <imbrandon> as far as the ldap stuff i guess i could do a ubuntu-classroom thing sometime
[03:17] <imbrandon> like ummm next tuesday or soemthing
[03:18] <Nafallo> yea. that was what I thought you guys where talking about :-)
[03:18] <Nafallo> LDAP in the classroom :-)
[03:18] <imbrandon> well it dident start that way but i guess i can
[03:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:18] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:19] <somerville32> Awesome.
[03:19] <somerville32> It's a deal then.
[03:19] <somerville32> LDAP Lecture by imbrandon in #ubuntu-classroom next Tuesday, exact time TBA ;] 
[03:19] <imbrandon> i'll poke arround and make sure no one else has anything scheduled for next tue
[03:20] <somerville32> :] 
[03:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wanna do some hacking ?
[03:21] <imbrandon> i want guidance-power-manager to do this .... http://www.robster.org.uk/blog/2007/01/10/gnome-power-manager-strikes-again/
[03:21] <imbrandon> heheh
[03:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: neat!!
[03:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i'm sure it wouldent be hard to add that sicne g-p-m is python and uses hal already for the other stuff
[03:25] <imbrandon> tis a neat idea 
[03:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont have a wifi mouse
[03:25] <Hobbsee> er a wireless mouse
[03:25] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[03:25] <imbrandon> i do, i guess i could goof with hal and see what it reports
[03:25] <imbrandon> shouldent be too hard, one afternoon i should be able to do it
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[03:26] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: I want a WiFi-mouse!! can it do WPA2? :-)
[03:26] <imbrandon> lol
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: *grin*
[03:26] <imbrandon> does it run linux, can you cluster them ?
[03:27] <Nafallo> imbrandon: lol. looking for new buildd? ;-)
[03:27] <imbrandon> lol
[03:31] <Nafallo> time to sleep
[03:32] <somerville32> imbrandon: I got some people who are also interested in attending
[03:32] <somerville32> imbrandon, When would we be able to get a time?
[03:33] <LaserJock> darn, it. spent so much time thinking of content for the ping I forgot what I was pinging about
[03:33] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:33] <imbrandon> somerville32, lets say 1pm CST 
[03:33] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hi dude
[03:34] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[03:34] <somerville32> LaserJock: imbrandon told me you have experience with LTSP?
[03:34] <imbrandon> he /might/ hehe
[03:34] <imbrandon> e.g. edubuntu
[03:35] <LaserJock> somerville32: might is a good word
[03:35] <LaserJock> I've actually never done it personally
[03:35] <somerville32> But you've worked on Edubuntu?
[03:35] <LaserJock> because you need to have a network with no other DHCP server except the LTSP server
[03:35] <LaserJock> somerville32: oh yes, I do work on Edubuntu
[03:36] <somerville32> Could I chat with you via pm real quick?
[03:36] <LaserJock> certainly
[03:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock, well not really but you need the dhcp server to be able to serv a pxelinux.0 file and then point to the real dhcp
[03:36] <imbrandon> but yea much easier to run just one
[03:37] <LaserJock> well, yeah
[03:38] <somerville32> LaserJock, Did you get my query?
[03:45] <LaserJock> I got to see my first Edubuntu thin client setup in Paris
[03:46] <LaserJock> ogra and highvoltage just ran a patch cable from a laptop acting as a server to one of ogra's thin clients
[03:46] <LaserJock> it was pretty slick
[04:33] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe
[04:35] <LaserJock> doh, I remembered what I wanted to ask
[04:35] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you think you'd be available to teach a MOTU Session sometime soonish?
[04:36] <ajmitch> ooh, motu school
[04:36] <somerville32> :)
[04:36] <rexbron> I would definately attend
[04:37] <imbrandon> ahh pics of my new 22in setup :) http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/new_workzone.jpg
[04:37] <LaserJock> I want him to do a bug reporting session
[04:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: only 1 can?
[04:38] <imbrandon> hehe well thats all thats on my desk, thus the frequent mt dew runs
[04:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I hate you again
[04:38] <somerville32> Windows Vista...
[04:38] <imbrandon> actualy kde :)
[04:38] <LaserJock> yeah, I had to look twice
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you already know it all...
[04:38] <LaserJock> but noticed it was that kde theme
[04:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: no I don't
[04:39] <imbrandon> that crt next to it thats off is a 20 in
[04:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^^
[04:39] <LaserJock> bah
[04:39] <imbrandon> but my vid card wont run both and do lots of colors
[04:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hence why I hate you :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> ah
[04:39] <imbrandon> so the crt gets turned off
[04:39] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[04:39] <LaserJock> I have a 14.1" laptop and a 17" CRT
[04:40] <somerville32> I have a 19" LCD
[04:40] <ScottK> No pictures of my office either...
[04:40] <imbrandon> my desk seems pretty "clean" compared to most
[04:40] <somerville32> I have room for two more monitors but not at head level
[04:40] <imbrandon> but then again i just swiped all the papers to the other desk for the pic LOL
[04:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good luck lifting it
[04:41] <somerville32> hehe
[04:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: good point, I'll bring help
[04:41] <ajmitch> I preferred to not get the widescreen lcd
[04:41] <imbrandon> err 1680 x 1050
[04:42] <LaserJock> well, my primary working area is a wooden TV tray
[04:42] <imbrandon> just looked, yea widescreen reses are strange
[04:44] <imbrandon> somerville32, yea here was my XP theme for dapper
[04:44] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png
[04:44] <imbrandon> i've been working on this vista one for feisty :)
[04:44] <imbrandon> its not quite right yet
[04:44] <ajmitch> sick
[04:44] <somerville32> oh cool :] 
[04:45] <ajmitch> kill the teletubbies theme
[04:45] <bddebian> heh
[04:45] <imbrandon> heh
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ye,s please do!
[04:45] <imbrandon> ponies !!
[04:45] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/ponies1.png
[04:46] <ajmitch> careful, you'll get crimsun running 
[04:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:47] <imbrandon> i got that new glass penguin for my bday
[04:47] <imbrandon> i'm scared i'll knock it off my desk
[04:50] <imbrandon> hrm i should post a meme to get everyone to take pics of their desk/workzone
[04:50] <ajmitch> that'd mean I've had to clean mine
[04:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch, get a blog !!
[04:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you know, if you did something else apart from vista theems, i might stop poking you so much :P
[04:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you too, well it can be your first post :)
[04:51] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I don't see any reason
[04:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch, there realy isnt one
[04:52] <ajmitch> I do nothing interesting, and have no interesting opinions
[04:52] <imbrandon> look at my posts the last few months, not much, but still something
[04:52] <ajmitch> so why add to the general inanities of the internet?
[04:52] <LaserJock> http://laserjock.us/ubuntu/desktoparea.jpg
[04:52] <imbrandon> heh
[04:52] <LaserJock> http://laserjock.us/ubuntu/laptoparea.jpg
[04:53] <imbrandon> hehee
[04:53] <imbrandon> both have the screen off , awe
[04:53] <imbrandon> :)
[04:53] <LaserJock> not the laptop
[04:53] <LaserJock> just a bad angle
[04:53] <imbrandon> ohh no the lappy has ubuntu
[04:54] <imbrandon> cant miss the brown
[04:54] <ScottK> desktoparea is still MUCH more organized than mine...
[04:54] <LaserJock> ScottK: yeah, I was actually using it today so I had to make some mouse space
[04:54] <ajmitch> actually no, I do have a brownish orange background for the desktop
[04:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: neither do I
[04:55] <imbrandon> here is my original workarea before xmass and i upgraded the computers
[04:55] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/workzone.jpg
[04:55] <LaserJock> I think I'll have to clean up for BehindUbuntu :/
[04:55] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:55] <imbrandon> i still havent gotten an invite for an interview /me feels left out 
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh
[04:55] <LaserJock> imbrandon: oh yeah, that's right. I had that same desk. I remember
[04:56] <ajmitch> besides, if I start blogging, people will expect me to actually do stuff with ubuntu
[04:56] <imbrandon> yea that desk finaly died
[04:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: We would never do such a thing :)
[04:56] <LaserJock> imbrandon: man, if I had a stove that desk would have been firewood
[04:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:56] <imbrandon> mine got put on the street corner
[04:57] <LaserJock> my father-in-law took mine for firewood :-)
[04:57] <imbrandon> some poor soul come grabbed it before trash day, i was like good riddance
[04:57] <imbrandon> more dew, brb
[04:57] <ajmitch> hah
[04:57] <LaserJock> that's like when my lab put out all our old computer parts in the hallway
[04:58] <LaserJock> people kept coming by
[04:58] <Toadstool> heya
[04:58] <imbrandon> i'm a hardware hore though, i would ahver took them all
[04:58] <LaserJock> I didn't have the heart to tell them it was just a bunch of junk
[04:59] <ajmitch> so how is MOTU going lately, anyway?
[04:59] <ajmitch> I've been out of touch since before Christmas
[04:59] <Toadstool> er.. quick question, what do you guys think about gfaim-data's license on REVU?
[04:59] <imbrandon> yea i have mostly too, just now getting back arround to working the last few days
[05:00] <imbrandon> trying to catch up
[05:00] <ajmitch> I'm wondering if I should bother trying to get back into it or not
[05:00] <lifeless> ajmitch: get back in
[05:00] <LaserJock> Toadstool: it'll go to Multiverse
[05:01] <Toadstool> LaserJock: erm, ok :)
[05:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: please do, at least a little bit
[05:01] <LaserJock> Toadstool: it seems distributable but very non-free
[05:01] <Toadstool> yup
[05:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: we have a fair amount of merges left
[05:02] <ajmitch> yeah I know
[05:02] <bddebian> We do?
[05:02] <bddebian> Have all the sync requests gone through yet?
[05:03] <LaserJock> not by any means
[05:03] <LaserJock> but still: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html
[05:04] <Toadstool> uhuh
[05:04] <LaserJock> there's 96 outstanding merges on merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[05:04] <bddebian> Egads
[05:04] <LaserJock> I don't imagine all of them are waiting sync requests
[05:04] <LaserJock> but I could be wrong
[05:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that seems quite high
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bah.  planet appears not to like me
[05:04] <Hobbsee> no blog for planet
[05:04] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: please do
[05:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ?
[05:04] <persia> LaserJock: What do the colors mean?  I don't mind making clean patches for some of them.
[05:05] <ajmitch> and a few zope packages I should look at
[05:05] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/Desktop$ bzr checkout sftp://jrhakr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main planet-ubuntu
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Permission denied (publickey).
[05:05] <Hobbsee> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net;
[05:05] <imbrandon> LP being nuts
[05:05] <LaserJock> persia: on tiber or merges.ubuntu.com?
[05:05] <persia> LaserJock: Either.  I've only done ~5 merges, but I didn't know where to find the list of things to be done.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah...
[05:06] <LaserJock> I'm not sure on merges.ubuntu.com
[05:06] <LaserJock> but on my list the first section is just outdated packages in Feisty compared to Debian unstable
[05:06] <LaserJock> but that's normal
[05:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: and your username on LP is jrhakr?
[05:07] <LaserJock> the second section is the list of outdated packages with an ubuntuX version
[05:07] <LaserJock> i.e. things that need to be merged
[05:07] <LaserJock> or perhaps they were merged once but are again outdated
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: point
[05:07] <persia> LaserJock: OK.  For the second list, is the workflow 1) Open a merge bug, 2) Make the patch, 3) attach it to the bug?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> dammit, got caught out  :P
[05:08] <LaserJock> persia: and then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[05:08] <persia> LaserJock: Got it.  Thanks.
[05:09] <LaserJock> persia: you'll just need to make sure a bug hasn't already been filed
[05:09] <LaserJock> as there are a lot of outstanding sync requests, etc.
[05:10] <persia> LaserJock: If there is an outstanding merge or sync request, is there an expiration window that should be observed prior to performing work?  I'm guessing the "Debian version is newer" and "New upstream version", etc. count, although the language is different.
[05:12] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't quite understand what you said
[05:12] <LaserJock> expiration?
[05:13] <persia> LaserJock: If a merge request exists, but has shown no activity in x days, I presume a patch would be welcome, I'm just not sure about x (14 or 28, I would think).
[05:13] <somerville32> My desktop: http://cody.zapto.org/files/2.jpg
[05:13] <LaserJock> ah, I doubt you'd come across any that didn't at least have a patch or something
[05:13] <somerville32> s/desktop/workplace
[05:14] <LaserJock> but I'd say just leave a comment asking if it's ok to do the merge or not
[05:14] <dsas> somerville32: Do you actually use it? :p
[05:14] <somerville32> dsas: Yes :P I just cleaned last night though
[05:14] <LaserJock> geeze
[05:14] <persia> LaserJock: Generally these have been entitled "new Debian version" or "New Upstream release (with a link the the Debian package), but I suspect the intent is the same.
[05:14] <LaserJock> ah
[05:14] <joejaxx> somerville32: microsoft optic blue?
[05:14] <somerville32> joejaxx: Nope. Centrios
[05:15] <LaserJock> that screen looks like something I'd see down south of here
[05:15] <somerville32> What does that mean?
[05:15] <LaserJock> persia: I think you could hijack it if it's obvious that they are just asking not intending to do the work
[05:16] <LaserJock> somerville32: I live in Nevada, Area 51 and nuclear testing facilites are south of me
[05:16] <persia> LaserJock: OK.  I'll snoop Launchpad profiles for decisions.  Thanks.
[05:16] <somerville32> LaserJock, lol
[05:17] <LaserJock> hmm, Java2 and PSAT
[05:17] <LaserJock> fun
[05:17] <somerville32> It's a good time for sure
[05:18] <somerville32> Notice the penguin mascot? He keeps me going late at night ;] 
[05:18] <LaserJock> gosh, it's been like 10 years since I took the PSAT
[05:18] <somerville32> LaserJock: We don't have PSATs in Canada ;] 
[05:18] <LaserJock> heh
[05:19] <LaserJock> lucky you
[05:19] <somerville32> not quite
[05:19] <somerville32> I did the PSAT anyhow
[05:19] <LaserJock> I didn't have to take the SAT though, out west they seem to prefer the ACT
[05:20] <LaserJock> I always wanted to do it anyway just to see, but it didn't really matter anyway
[05:20] <LaserJock> I just wen to the little uni in my home town anyway
[05:20] <LaserJock> *went
[05:20] <Hobbsee> right.  no one else can whine about my blog not being on planet :P
[05:20] <somerville32> LaserJock: I'm hoping to go to MIT to do my PhD. : ] 
[05:21] <LaserJock> somerville32: yeah, I thought about it too, but I didn't want to live there
[05:21] <imbrandon> meme posted http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/01/09/computer-areas-ultimate-meme/
[05:22] <LaserJock> go for goodness sakes
[05:22] <LaserJock> s/go/oh/
[05:23] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i hope that one of your satas do not go down :(
[05:23] <imbrandon> joejaxx, i keep backups
[05:24] <imbrandon> trust me i've lost too much data over the years
[05:24] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah :(
[05:25] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hahaha
[05:27] <somerville32> imbrandon, Are your comments moderated?
[05:27] <imbrandon> no, there is akismet spam thing that checks it against RTBL but other than that no
[05:28] <somerville32> Hmm
[05:28] <imbrandon> ( and i have it set to where you need an account to post iirc )
[05:29] <imbrandon> nope , just tested , posting comments works fine
[05:30] <somerville32> Ok
[05:30] <somerville32> I tried but I'm too lazy to try again
[05:30] <imbrandon> lol
[05:30] <LaserJock> akismet is pretty good
[05:31] <imbrandon> it will hit planet in a few minutes , i'm sure i'll get some comments
[05:31] <imbrandon> it will be nice/funny if sabdfl actualy posts a meme
[05:31] <LaserJock> I just added one of those "type what's in the image" thingies
[05:31] <LaserJock> for comments
[05:32] <imbrandon> yea i just have the check against the RTBL built into the akismet wordpress , no false positives as of yet
[05:32] <imbrandon> and only one out of about 100 spams got through
[05:32] <imbrandon> soo i think it works well
[05:32] <LaserJock> well, this image thingie got rid of basically all my spam
[05:32] <LaserJock> it doesn't even get to akismet now
[05:33] <LaserJock> at least I don't think
[05:33] <LaserJock> maybe nobody can comment :-)
[05:33] <imbrandon> Blog Stats
[05:33] <imbrandon> There are currently 28 posts and 79 comments, contained within 6 categories.
[05:33] <imbrandon> Spam
[05:33] <imbrandon> hehehe
[05:33] <imbrandon> Akismet has protected your site from 3,188 spam comments.
[05:33] <LaserJock> heh
[05:33] <ajmitch> meh, blogs
[05:34] <LaserJock> whatever
[05:34] <imbrandon> notice i put ajmitch's name in the post of who he wants to see blog a pic 
[05:34] <imbrandon> :)
[05:34] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:35] <LaserJock> I think we need a petition or something
[05:35] <imbrandon> i just registered a domain and setup a site on my server for my little bro to blog
[05:35] <LaserJock> either that or we need to make a blog for him
[05:35] <imbrandon> ericholtsclaw.com ( nothing much there yet , he'll fill it out tomarrow )
[05:35] <LaserJock> we could start blogging for him
[05:35] <LaserJock> that would be fun
[05:35] <imbrandon> hahah yea just copy/paste irc comments
[05:35] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[05:36] <imbrandon> lol
[05:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch's irc blog
[05:36] <imbrandon> :)
[05:36] <LaserJock> lol
[05:36] <imbrandon> heh just teasin , i wouldent 
[05:36] <LaserJock> I would
[05:36] <LaserJock> ;p
[05:36] <ajmitch> exactly
[05:37] <LaserJock> nah
[05:37] <imbrandon> ahh tis finaly on planet, that thong is slow sometimes
[05:37] <LaserJock> I know I'd get a serious butt kickin' at the next dev summit or something
[05:37] <imbrandon> lol
[05:37] <ajmitch> nah, I wouldn't be at the next dev summit
[05:37] <imbrandon> you will at 7.10 :)
[05:37] <imbrandon> as will I hopefully
[05:38] <ajmitch> nah
[05:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: if you aren't I know you can get people there to beat me up
[05:38] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[05:39] <LaserJock> you'll just tell the Aussies one of those bad jokes about AU that you NZ people know and say it was from me
[05:39] <imbrandon> yea i dont think i can make it to spain this time , possibly but i doubt it
[05:39] <imbrandon> why ajmitch ?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hey cool - my post got published!
[05:40] <ajmitch> I'm done with wasting money
[05:40] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hehe 
[05:40] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: wow, you have a beard
[05:40] <imbrandon> now you need a hackergotchi
[05:40] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: and no eyes!
[05:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch, just get sponsored from now on ( if you can )
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe, argh!
[05:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: exactly - it won't happen :)
[05:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch: when zope grows wobbly windows you'll get sponsored ;-)
[05:42] <imbrandon> heh
[05:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I think the MOTU Council should get sponsored
[05:44] <somerville32> How often do people get sponsored? Do you have to be well known?
[05:44] <ajmitch> that may happen
[05:44] <superm1> hey imbrandon while your here, did you get a chance to upload/look at the mythtv bzr branch?
[05:44] <LaserJock> somerville32: it's more like "what do you bring to the table?"
[05:45] <imbrandon> somerville32, depends on what you work on i guess, i got sponsored this last time but they say they wont sponsor you every time only every other but who knows
[05:45] <somerville32> LaserJock: So maybe I could get sponsored for Xubuntu stuff? :)
[05:45] <imbrandon> superm1, actualy thats what i was doing right now
[05:45] <LaserJock> perhaps
[05:45] <somerville32> but unlikely? lol
[05:45] <imbrandon> somerville32, perhaps
[05:45] <superm1> imbrandon, ah very good :)
[05:45] <LaserJock> imbrandon: they really said they wouldn't sponsor every time?
[05:46] <imbrandon> LaserJock, not officialy but thats what Riddell told me
[05:46] <persia> LaserJock: Blame community growth.  Start scaring new people away :)
[05:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ah
[05:46] <somerville32> How do they evaluate "what I bring to the table"?
[05:46] <imbrandon> thats why i said i probably wont make it to spain, unless i get sponsored two times in a row
[05:46] <LaserJock> somerville32: if it's something Canonical wants :-)
[05:47] <ajmitch> s/Canonical/Mark/
[05:47] <somerville32> lol
[05:47] <LaserJock> well, not always Mark
[05:47] <ajmitch> if it's shiny, sure
[05:47] <LaserJock> the individual people running projects seem to have a fair amount of input
[05:47] <imbrandon> i was basily one of 5 core kubuntu peeps is why i got sponsored this last time
[05:47] <LaserJock> but in general, they decide on what they want to focus on
[05:48] <LaserJock> and then bring in people who have knowledge and input
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: who are the others?  Ridde*ll, you, lure, tonio...
[05:48] <Hobbsee> oh, raphink
[05:48] <imbrandon> you me tonio lure sebas seele riddell raphink ( kinda )
[05:48] <imbrandon> i dont mean core as in "core-dev"
[05:49] <imbrandon> i mean the day to day movers and shakers
[05:49] <imbrandon> core dev i think there is only me, tonio, and Riddell 
[05:49] <imbrandon> not 100% sure
[05:49] <LaserJock> is lure a core-dev?
[05:50] <imbrandon> i dont think he is even motu LaserJock 
[05:50] <Hobbsee> no, he's not
[05:50] <LaserJock> raphink is core-dev, but busy
[05:50] <LaserJock> I thought there was somebody else
[05:50] <imbrandon> not really heh
[05:50] <LaserJock> ah well
[05:51] <imbrandon> crimsun does a fair ammount of kubuntu stuff too but i dunno if he would be categorized as a "kubuntu person"
[05:51] <LaserJock> well, Edubuntu's got Oliver
[05:51] <imbrandon> or really anything other than a god :)
[05:51] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:51] <LaserJock> I'm hoping I can make Edubuntu's second core-dev
[05:52] <somerville32> Crimsun is an Xubuntu person :P <g>
[05:52] <LaserJock> but school is such a pain
[05:52] <imbrandon> crimsun is just an all arround deity ;)
[05:52] <bddebian> crimsun is just an all around stud..
[05:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i hear ya
[05:52] <LaserJock> +1
[05:52] <bddebian> Doh imbrandon, you beat me to it ;-P
[05:52] <somerville32> :)
[05:52] <somerville32> It's true
[05:52] <imbrandon> bddebian, hehe
[05:53] <imbrandon> it just amazes me at times how the offical diretives can run with such few people at times, let alone the few that run ubuntu proper
[05:53] <LaserJock> methinks he's probably working his butt of while we're all sitting here talking about him :/
[05:54] <imbrandon> lol probably
[05:54] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[05:54] <imbrandon> hey i have a build or two going in the background hehe
[05:54] <imbrandon> :)
[05:54] <bddebian> I
[05:54] <somerville32> :)
[05:54] <bddebian> 'm "trying" to REVU
[05:54] <Hobbsee> sure you are...
[05:54] <somerville32> I'm reading... IRC
[05:54] <bddebian> Well and playing NWN2 of course :-)
[05:55] <imbrandon> bddebian, hahaha i downloaded that today , havent installed it yet
[05:55] <ajmitch> as well as talking to someone about doing some plone migrations
[05:55] <bddebian> imbrandon: Don't do it.... ;-P
[05:55] <LaserJock> I'm trying to chart the future of the packaging guide, but getting a little writer's block
[05:55] <imbrandon> LaserJock, post a meme , it will help, promis
[05:59] <somerville32> Indeed it does
[06:00] <LaserJock> I don't know how anything was written before indoor plumbing
[06:00] <imbrandon> dancin in the rain
[06:05] <imbrandon> dude the more i look at the iPhone , the more i want it 
[06:05] <imbrandon> and i thought i wanted a greenphone from QT, this thing puts it to shame
[06:06] <imbrandon> even at $499 i'm going to grab one right away in june
[06:06] <superm1> not gonna jump on the 8GB model?
[06:07] <imbrandon> possibly, depends on how much cash i have at the time :)
[06:07] <superm1> hehe
[06:08] <superm1> any ideas what CPU is in the thing - with the claims of it running OSX?
[06:08] <imbrandon> could be anything, i'm guessing some kind of ARM like the ipod 
[06:08] <imbrandon> nano's run dual 75ghz ARM's
[06:09] <imbrandon> err 75mhz
[06:09] <bddebian> Brr
[06:11] <synic> what do I need to do to get an app that's in sid in fiesty?
[06:11] <imbrandon> request a sync and have a MOTU ack it
[06:11] <synic> is there a doc on how to do that?
[06:12] <_MMA_> imbrandon: synic is the developer of Exaile.
[06:13] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:13] <somerville32> Woot! :)
[06:13] <imbrandon> yea i think there is a doc, i'm not sure where its at , lemme look ( you can always just look at a previous sync req )
[06:17] <Toadstool> I saw a sync request about exaile somewhere on Malone a couple of days ago
[06:19] <Toadstool> bug 78588
[06:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78588 in Ubuntu "please sync exaile 0.2.7+debian-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78588
[06:24] <synic> I'm going to guess that Malone requesting that is a good thing.
[06:24] <imbrandon> malone is the name of the LP bugtracker, so yes
[06:25] <synic> oh :)  nice
[06:25] <imbrandon> brb foood :)
[06:27] <somerville32> I'm hungry too :)
[06:28] <Toadstool> synic: exaile is awaiting approval by the archive admins in the NEW queue -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue
[06:28] <Toadstool> as it's a sync from Debian, it should not be rejected
[06:28] <somerville32> Oh lookie
[06:28] <somerville32> My package is at the top of the list :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> somerville32: mithrandir goes from the bottom :P
[06:29] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Not tofleg (sp)
[06:29] <synic> Toadstool: awesome
[06:29] <Hobbsee> somerville32: sorry?
[06:30] <somerville32> Hobbsee, It took just over 24 hours for my package to get rejected :)
[06:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  rejections are easy
[06:30] <somerville32> Feisty is frozen?
[06:30] <somerville32> Oh, must be for Heard 2?
[06:32] <Toadstool> yep
[07:37] <poningru> somerville32: speaking of which
[07:37] <poningru> have we started doing that yet?
[07:37] <poningru> you wanna work on that tommorow?
[07:37] <poningru> err wrong channel
[07:38] <somerville32> . . .
[07:40] <somerville32> poningru, whats the correct channel?
[07:41] <poningru> -marketing?
[07:52] <ademan> why isn't netbeans in the repositories?
[09:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:03] <somerville32> Good Morning! :] 
[09:03] <dholbach> hi somerville32
[09:03] <somerville32> Hi dholbach 
[09:03] <somerville32> Have a good sleep?
[09:03] <dholbach> yeah thanks
[09:03] <dholbach> how are you?
[09:04] <ivoks> hi there
[09:05] <somerville32> I'm fine, thanks :)
[09:13] <ademan> anyone here that's dealt with java apps, i assume you need to compile with the sun jdk for performance to be anywhere near acceptable, correct?
[09:21] <ademan> hey doko's here, doko, i'm thinking about packaging netbeans (if it's got source available) and i was wondering about what it takes to package a java package, the sun-java5-jdk i would assume
[09:22] <doko> ademan: you can look at some other packages like libxalan2-java, libxerces2-java, bouncycastle, etc
[09:23] <ademan> thanks
[09:35] <ademan> there doesn't seem to be a source package available, but there IS cvs access, cvs is undesirable isn't it?  Since it could be an unstable snapshot?
[10:09] <ademan> geeze, this sucks
[10:28] <ajmitch> hi daniel
[10:31] <dholbach> heya andrew
[10:34] <dholbach> Hobbsee|NotHere: you have a blog on planet! WOAH!
[10:34] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:34] <ajmitch> the ranks of the blogless diminish by one
[10:34] <ajmitch> sad to see
[10:35] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[10:35] <dholbach> more MOTUs on planet :)
[10:36] <ajmitch> not even when I get named by people like imbrandon 
[10:37] <white> Fujitsu: do you have a spare weekend in the middle of february to catch up for some debian stuff in melb?
[10:37] <white> of course ubuntu stuff should also be welcome
[10:37] <ajmitch> heh
[10:38] <white> :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> maybe later in the year
[10:39] <white> ajmitch: sure, just write a mail to the debian-melbourne list :)
[10:39] <Fujitsu> white, I should, and Debian stuff is good :)
[10:39] <ajmitch> white: yeah, I've been on that list for the last 2 years or so :)
[10:40] <white> well not much traffic there, i'll try to change that :)
[10:40] <Fujitsu> A good idea, white.
[10:42] <ajmitch> white: you're studying in melbourne still?
[10:43] <white> ajmitch: yes, hopefully for the next 2,5 years :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> great
[10:44] <white> ah great, i was too lazy to search on db.debian.org :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> heh
[10:45] <Fujitsu> How many DDs are there in Melbourne, white?
[10:45] <white> Fujitsu: not quite sure, but always enough if you need anything :)
[10:46] <Fujitsu> It will be nice to finally have trusted key at some point :)
[10:47] <white> Fujitsu: you will be the first one getting my sig when we finally catch up 
[10:47] <ajmitch> sure, next time I'm visiting my friend in ringwood :)
[10:49] <Fujitsu> poningru, there's one in CA, isn't there?
[10:50] <ajmitch> one in florida, iirc
[10:51] <ajmitch> the real melbourne in australia is a little bigger
[10:54] <poningru> yeah fl
[10:55] <Fujitsu> CA, FL, same thing.
[10:55] <poningru> :p
[10:55] <poningru> go gators
[11:17] <kgoetz> when i get the source for a package with apt-source, then build it (with dpkg-buildpackage), shouldnt it produce debs?
[11:18] <gpocentek> it should
[11:18] <Fujitsu> kgoetz, that is correct.
[11:19] <kgoetz> um. hm.
[11:21] <kgoetz> wonder if eclipse needs special treatment of some sort then :(
[11:26] <gnomefreak> crimsun: are you up yet?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> kgoetz: eclipse is not real fun to build. everytime ive ever tried it failed :(
[11:27] <kgoetz> gnomefreak: oh :( i'll start running then
[11:28] <Fujitsu> kgoetz, that's the right attitude :)
[11:29] <kgoetz> hehe. pity though, i need eclipse-ecj working. guess i have to wait :)
[11:35] <gnomefreak> wth
[12:04] <fernando> moin all
[12:14] <gnomefreak> moin fernando 
[01:12] <Hobbsee|NotHere> dholbach: i do now, yeah :P
[01:13] <Hobbsee|NotHere> Fujitsu: i just wont *write* much, if anything, on said blog.
[01:17] <crimsun> gnomefreak: I'm awake but not near the computer much this week due to moving offices
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hey crimsun!
[01:20] <Nafallo> anyone on up-to-date feisty with an IPv6-router in the distance? :-)
[01:20] <crimsun> Hobbsee: hi!
[01:21] <Adri2000> hey crimsun, just a question: "Adrien has been an asset in #ubuntu-bugs", you meant -motu?
[01:21] <crimsun> Adri2000: no, I meant -bugs.
[01:21] <Adri2000> really? :o
[01:21] <crimsun> yes, since the times I've glanced there you've been active.
[01:22] <crimsun> how was the CC meeting?
[01:22] <Adri2000> good :)
[01:23] <crimsun> were you approved for ubuntu-members?
[01:23] <Adri2000> yep!
[01:23] <crimsun> ah, congrats!
[01:23] <crimsun> (your LP page must not be updated, then)
[01:24] <Adri2000> yes, they didn't updated LP pages during the meeting, I believe it's Seveas' job to do it today :p
[01:24] <crimsun> ah, ok, new delegation
[01:25] <Amaranth> Seveas handles that now? I thought sabdfl did it during the meeting
[01:26] <Adri2000> (to Seveas) (07:41:37 PM) sabdfl: and please ack the ones we handled completely tonight, tomorrow :-)
[01:26] <gpocentek> Adri2000: you know what the next step is... ;)
[01:26] <Adri2000> huhu, I guess... :)
[01:28] <Amaranth> that reminds me, i need to clean up my vala package
[01:33] <persia> Any KDE people around?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:37] <persia> Hobbsee: In kdelibs, acinclude.m4.in sets xdg_appsdir to /usr/share/applications/kde, to which any KDE compiled .desktop files are stored.  I was under the impression that the .desktop files belonged only in /usr/share/applications, and wondered if I was mistaken in the case that the application was compiled with the kdelibs acinclude file.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> persia: i dont know that much:P
[01:37] <persia> Hobbsee: OK.  Thanks anyway.
[01:41] <persia> Would anyone running an Xfce environment be willing to install a KDE application?  I'm curious if dolphin appears twice in the menus under Xfce.
[01:43] <crimsun> persia: please remember to insert a bug reference in the changelog :)
[01:44] <persia> crimsun: OK.  I'll do that for further changelogs.  Thanks for the pointer.
[01:45] <crimsun> excellent job w/ following up on the builds
[01:45] <crimsun> although I am wondering why I'm receiving two copies of each u-u-s email
[01:45] <crimsun> Hobbsee: perchance I'm still being forwarded a copy from your gmail if your gmail is subbed to u-u-s?
[01:46] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.  There was a build failure for drscheme, but less failures than previous uploads, so I left it alone.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no, i reforwarded that.  you're getting double mail?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: did you sign up to the ML?
[01:46] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ah, yeah, I believe I signed up after you had already subscribed me
[01:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that'd be it
[01:47] <crimsun> I'll look at that in an hourish
[01:47] <ScottK> Good morning (morning for me anyway) everyone.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> hey ScottK 
[01:48] <ScottK> On the off chance anyone was wondering... I heard back from Tollef about my package that he rejected because a copy of the license wasn't in orig.tar.gz.  " The orig.tar.gz needs to contain a copy of the licence, so you need to add it there.
[01:48] <ScottK> "
[01:49] <ScottK> So, looks like I don't have to learn how to patch it in today.
[02:12] <\sh> ajmitch: ping...
[02:12] <Hobbsee> \sh: gone to bed
[02:13] <\sh> hmmm..ajmitch and sleeping? ,-)
[02:14] <Hobbsee> yes...seems to happen occasionaly
[02:14] <Hobbsee> or maybe just not near irc
[02:18] <Adri2000> foo should recommend or suggest foo-doc?
[02:19] <persia> Adri2000: Suggest seems more common
[02:19] <Adri2000> ok
[02:21] <persia> Is there a URI to download packages that have been Removed from launchpad?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> persia: do you have them in your apt-cache??
[02:22] <persia> Hobbsee: No.  I'm hoping for something official and public.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> persia: sort of, is the ansewr
[02:25] <Hobbsee> persia: they're on launchpad, but you have to go to the package, click on the version you want, go to the build that you want (see left hadn side), then grab the binary off that page
[02:25] <Hobbsee> (it links to another page which contains the binary)
[02:25] <persia> Hobbsee: OK.  My specific issue is that I'm working on the merge of yakuake, and the .orig.tar.gz files differ between unstable and feisty.  I'm hoping to backtrack all the Ubuntu versions to try to determine what has been done in the hopes of building a sensible patch.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> persia: patches.ubuntu.com should work nicer
[02:26] <Hobbsee> persia: also, yakuake should be on MOM
[02:28] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> persia: :)  MOM will make it easier for you
[02:29] <Hobbsee> persia: check out changelogs.ubuntu.com as well, for just the changelogs
[02:29] <persia> Hobbsee: The current versions are based on separate packings of 2.7.5.  The last common version MoM can find is 2.7.3-2, although this does reduce my search tree.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> persia: ah right
[02:31] <Hobbsee> persia: now that doesnt look fun
[02:31] <persia> Hobbsee: It's fairly ugly, but a fun challenge.  Knowing the LP links to Removed packages work gives me a good chance to get something working in the next few hours.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> persia: sources are fairly easy to find on LP
[02:34] <persia> /persia downloads 14 versions of the source
[02:40] <Hobbsee> persia: i'm going to grab the new version of dolphin, will add your patch
[02:42] <persia> Hobbsee: It's not really my patch, I just wrapped it.  Please credit Michael Biebl.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[02:59] <geser> persia: I've talked about merging yakuake with Tonio_ and he's against a merge unless the is benefit of it by additional fixes/patches from the Debian package
[03:03] <persia> geser: Additional debian patches include cleanup of libtool, more copyright, update of standards & compat, a change to quilt, and fixes to the .desktop file (my favourite).  If you think it proper, I'll reject the merge bug as "don't merge this".
[03:04] <Hobbsee> persia: you might wait for tonio_
[03:04] <persia> Hobbsee: Do you know his timezone?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> persia: he's in france, or near it, iirc
[03:09] <gpocentek> yep, in France
[03:09] <gpocentek> anyone familiar with svn->bzr conversion?
[03:15] <incorrect> hello!  i am just trying to pervu subversion,  infact this isn't package specific
[03:15] <jdong> ok
[03:15] <incorrect> i found i've found a web site with someone with the same error,  
[03:15] <incorrect> you have told them they are using the wrong .dsc
[03:15] <incorrect> however i followed the howto
[03:16] <jdong> what's the error
[03:16] <incorrect> i don't see what i missed
[03:16] <incorrect> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268687&page=11
[03:16] <incorrect> i have the same error
[03:17] <incorrect> just i was doing the gdebi
[03:18] <jdong> incorrect: you're gonna have to give me the post number; I likely have different posts/page than you
[03:18] <incorrect> ill just drop it into pastebin
[03:20] <jdong> ok
[03:20] <incorrect> wow pastebin seems b0r3k
[03:23] <incorrect> http://pastebin.com/855928
[03:23] <crimsun> don't use pastebin.com
[03:23] <incorrect> oh
[03:23] <incorrect> what should i use these days?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> pastebin.ca
[03:24] <jdong> paste.ubuntu-nl.something or something like that
[03:24] <Hobbsee> or rafb.net/paste
[03:24] <Hobbsee> that works too
[03:24] <incorrect> oh
[03:24] <incorrect> sorry i don't keep up
[03:25] <jdong> incorrect: nobody has an error like that....
[03:25] <jdong> "hostname: Unknown host"
[03:25] <incorrect> oh
[03:25] <jdong> ^^ that's your real error message
[03:25] <jdong> the rest is a standard Python traceback after issuing an exception
[03:25] <siretart> gpocentek: yepp. doable with tailor
[03:26] <jdong> the cause of your error message is likely that your system does not have a hostname set
[03:26] <incorrect> sure it does
[03:26] <jdong> incorrect: issue hostname at the console and see if it reports back
[03:26] <incorrect> how does it look up hostnames?
[03:26] <siretart> gpocentek: but hostely, if it is an opensource project, I'd let do the conversion by launchpad
[03:26] <jdong> incorrect: hostname at a console
[03:26] <incorrect> hostname gives back seeds which is the name of my computer
[03:27] <jdong> incorrect: try hostname -f
[03:28] <incorrect> thank you
[03:28] <incorrect> oh there is someone else with the same error
[03:28] <incorrect> he had unknown hostname too
[03:29] <jdong> ah, then I must've missed it
[03:29] <incorrect> google's top entry for pervu unknow hostname
[03:29] <jdong> I'm still amusingly puzzled about how it happens
[03:29] <incorrect> and you talked about a missing dsc file
[03:29] <jdong> ubuntu installer sets the hostname
[03:29] <incorrect> that work! thank you
[03:29] <incorrect> oh yeah very cool idea for an app
[03:30] <jdong> incorrect: I said Toehead: maybe you didn't do prevu-init or something like that? At any rate,.....
[03:30] <incorrect> second question,  if i need to compile up libs to get another app to compile
[03:30] <jdong> that was my best guess at the time
[03:32] <incorrect> okey dokey
[03:32] <incorrect> do i prevu libneon26 subversion ? to get subversion to compile?
[03:32] <jdong> no
[03:32] <jdong> you first prevu libneon26
[03:33] <jdong> then run prevu-update
[03:33] <jdong> then prevu subversion
[03:33] <incorrect> oh i get it now
[03:33] <crimsun> argh
[03:33] <incorrect> sorry,
[03:33] <jdong> you also need to look at 'apt-cache rdepends libneon26' or whatever the actual library is called
[03:33] <crimsun> backporting makes baby jebus WEEP.
[03:33] <jdong> and rebuild any reverse dependencies
[03:33] <jdong> crimsun: sorry baby jesus :)
[03:34] <crimsun> I have to reintroduce an alternate b-d just for the vlc crack addicts
[03:34] <jdong> crimsun: and we really appreciate it :)
[03:34] <incorrect> i used to backport by hand, would take ages
[03:34] <incorrect> on debian,
[03:34] <jdong> (although to me VLC 0.9.6 looks just like the SVN snap Edgy shipped with)
[03:34] <crimsun> ...0.9.6?
[03:35] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:35] <jdong> crimsun: s/9/8/, you know what I meant :D
[03:35] <crimsun> no, it's definitely not the same
[03:35] <jdong> well, crimsun, I totally blame it on my keyboard
[03:35] <crimsun> no, referring to the svn snap/release
[03:36] <crimsun> the release has a fair number of bugs fixed
[03:36] <crimsun> and well, still has a crackload open
[03:36] <jdong> hmm
[03:36] <jdong> what kind of bugs?
[03:36] <crimsun> there's an entire LP page full...
[03:36] <jdong> ha, ok
[03:37] <crimsun> I need an amd64 with a dvd-rom
[03:37] <jdong> crimsun: what needs to be tested?
[03:37] <crimsun> that crasher's one of the most reported
[03:37] <jdong> I got a feisty amd64 with a dvd drive
[03:37] <crimsun> see if feisty's vlc explodes when you attempt to play a dvd
[03:37] <jdong> ok, brb :D
[03:39] <crimsun> oh great, CVEs
[03:39] <crimsun> ooh, bddebian's here. I -know- he wants to fix these! :D
[03:40] <jdong|amd64> crimsun: css-encrypted DVD plays fine in vlc on feisty
[03:41] <jdong|amd64> /exec uname -a
[03:41] <jdong|amd64> grr
[03:41] <crimsun> I'm so tempted to reject all those bugs and blame hw :/
[03:41] <jdong|amd64> Linux amd64 2.6.20-4-generic #2 SMP Fri Jan 5 02:54:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:41] <crimsun> -4-'s outdated ;)
[03:41] <jdong|amd64> crimsun: can ya link me to one of those reports?
[03:41] <jdong|amd64> and I know, slow wifi link
[03:41] <jdong|amd64> don't feel like updating every day :)
[03:42] <jdong|amd64> ooh, beryl blurring a negative movie :)
[03:42] <jdong|amd64> *ahem* sorry back to work
[03:42] <crimsun> bug 54334
[03:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54334 in vlc "vlc give segmentation fault on amd64 when playin dvd" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54334
[03:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Fix what?
[03:44] <jdong|amd64> err
[03:44] <crimsun> bddebian: these CVEs :)
[03:44] <jdong|amd64> crimsun: [50811.419804]  hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[03:44] <bddebian> Hmm, first I'd need to know what a CVE is :-)
[03:44] <jdong|amd64> that's probably VLC's "graceful error handler" for sector reads
[03:44] <jdong|amd64> errors
[03:45] <jdong|amd64> and I'm not gonna sandpaper any dvd's today to prove it :)
[03:45] <crimsun> I honestly have better luck w/ totem-xine than with vlc
[03:45] <jdong|amd64> but in any case, I cannot reproduce this on feisty amd64
[03:45] <gpocentek> siretart: thanks, I'll have a look at tailor, but I'll certainly use LP anyway
[03:45] <jdong|amd64> heh, vlc works fine for me
[03:45] <geser> bddebian: CVE = Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, see also http://cve.mitre.org/
[03:45] <jdong|amd64> I typically use it over totem and others
[03:46] <jdong|amd64> because it can boost audio using pre-amp  equalizer
[03:46] <bddebian> geser: Ah, thx
[03:46] <jdong|amd64> my laptop has pathetic speakers
[03:46] <crimsun> I normally have four different players installed, which really cramps my HD space
[03:46] <crimsun> (currently 30 MB free)
[03:46] <jdong|amd64> ouch
[03:46] <jdong|amd64> vlc doesn't need much space, does it?
[03:47] <crimsun> normally frees about 35 MB by removing it and its dependencies
[03:47] <jdong|amd64> well, for me that's not much, but for you that doubles your free space :D
[03:47] <jdong|amd64> thought about mounting squashfs+unionfs for your root yet?
[03:47] <jdong|amd64> LMAO
[03:48] <jdong|amd64> a nice zapping of /usr/share/doc usually works wonders too
[03:48] <crimsun> that was one of the first things I did
[03:49] <crimsun> I even kill all the modules I don't need
[03:49] <jdong|amd64> if you have muscle in your RAM and/or CPU, squash+union on like /usr/lib isn't a half bad idea
[03:49] <jdong|amd64> I do that on a 2.5GB laptop
[03:50] <jdong|amd64> P3-500, didn't slow down significantly
[03:52] <jdong> hey guys I had the worst nightmare ever, I dreamed that I was helping debug a VLC crasher and had to use gaim as my IRC client!
[03:53] <Nafallo> ouch :-P
[03:57] <jdong> Nafallo: say can we just bump up x264 and fix the build failures as they get reported? :D 
[03:58] <jdong> (kidding)
[03:58] <jdong> I'll finally have some time in about 6 hours
[03:58] <jdong> need to brush up my starcraft skills for an asian party :P
[03:58] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:58] <jdong> apparently I'm not supposed to wall everything off with an enormous number of cannons?\
[04:25] <Sp4rKy> hi
[04:25] <Sp4rKy> please, i'm packaging a software which contains a duplicate font of the ttf-freefont package
[04:25] <Sp4rKy> what is the best :
[04:25] <Sp4rKy> 1) remove this copy and make a link to the correct ttf-freefont file
[04:26] <Sp4rKy> 2) remove & patch the soft to use the good file ?
[04:37] <sistpoty|uni> hi folks
[04:37] <imbrandon> heya sistpoty|uni 
[04:37] <sistpoty|uni> hi imbrandon 
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|uni, imbrandon
[04:42] <sistpoty|uni> hi bddebian 
[04:48] <webben> I'd like to update a source package to the latest svn. As I'm likely to be hacking the source too, I'd ideally like to make the svn build directory and the package build directory the same.
[04:48] <webben> Unfortunately when I try and checkout from subversion into the package directory, svn cannot complete because the debian directory, for example, already exists
[04:49] <webben> Is what I'm trying to do craaazy? or am I just missing an obvious way to do it.
[04:51] <sistpoty|uni> webben: do you have write access to svn?
[04:52] <webben> sistpoty|uni, meaning what? do you mean do I have commit rights to the subversion repository I'm pulling down code from?
[04:52] <webben> (if so, no)
[04:52] <sistpoty|uni> webben: yes
[04:52] <webben> i just want to get updates if they're made
[04:52] <sistpoty|uni> webben: then I don't know really a way to use the same directory
[04:53] <webben> ah bother
[04:53] <webben> is there a good way to move files from a svn'd directory into a package?
[04:53] <webben> because that would be the next best option.
[04:53] <webben> (the svn'd directory kept up to date with svn update, but also containing my hacks)
[04:53] <sistpoty|uni> webben: svnbuildpackage is quite good at that
[04:54] <webben> sistpoty|uni, hmm ... interesting ... I'll have to read up on that. Thanks.
[05:01] <Sp4rKy> please, i've 3 python files in /usr/lib/<mysoftware>/
[05:02] <Sp4rKy> linda  warn me to put into /usr/share only 1 of this 3 python files, why ?
[05:06] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: no idea, but I'd look at the shebang lines (or if these have shebang lines after all)
[05:06] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: or if these are executable
[05:07] <Sp4rKy> the three has chmod 644
[05:07] <Sp4rKy> and has a shebang :/
[05:08] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty|uni: so should i really move them (the three) on /usr/share, or not ?
[05:09] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: please look at the new python policy (I still don't know it by heart)
[05:09] <Sp4rKy> k
[05:10] <Sp4rKy> These modules should be installed in /usr/share/module, or /usr/lib/module if the modules are architecture-dependent 
[05:11] <Sp4rKy> :)
[05:11] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: if these are modules, you should consider using python-support or pycentral
[05:12] <Sp4rKy> i already use pysupport
[05:12] <sistpoty|uni> :)
[05:13] <Sp4rKy> so, this 3 files are python scripts, so they're arch-indep , right ?
[05:13] <geser> herzi: hello, I'm looking at criawips. Is criawips 0.0.12 good enough to go into feisty or should the patch from bugzilla be applied on the current version?
[05:13] <Sp4rKy> so, the python policy says i've to put them on /usr/lib/module
[05:13] <Sp4rKy> right ?
[05:15] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: right
[05:16] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: ahm... no
[05:16] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: sorry
[05:16] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: if they are arch-indep, they should go to /usr/share/module
[05:17] <Sp4rKy> what ?
[05:17] <Sp4rKy> the python policy says : "These modules should be installed in /usr/share/module, or /usr/lib/module if the modules are  architecture-dependent
[05:17] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: exactly... arch-dependent -> /usr/lib, arch-*in*dependent -> /usr/share
[05:18] <herzi> geser: if you apply the patch you'll be at 0.0.12
[05:18] <herzi> so, please include 0.0.12
[05:18] <Sp4rKy> oups
[05:18] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty|uni: sorry, i'd read arch-indep :)
[05:18] <sistpoty|uni> hehe
[05:18] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty|uni: so i put the 3 in /usr/share
[05:19] <Sp4rKy> can i put them in /usr/share/<package> ?
[05:19] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: doesn't pysupport do that for you actually?
[05:19] <Sp4rKy> no
[05:19] <Sp4rKy> because i use it only for python dep
[05:20] <Sp4rKy> the files installation are done with .install file
[05:20] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: ah... then please use it for more than the python dep...
[05:20] <Sp4rKy> because the software is in python, but doesn't have python installation
[05:20] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: so these are only private modules?
[05:20] <ScottK> I'm back with another shot at libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl.  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3977  I've never had to deal with recontructing orig.tar.gz before.  I'd appreciate it if someone could take a quick look and see if I did the directory/file naming properly...  
[05:21] <geser> herzi: ok, I've already build 0.0.12 in a pbuilder and will hopefully upload it today.
[05:21] <ScottK> I had to do this because Tollef rejected the original package due to not having the actual license text included in orig.tar.gz.
[05:21] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty|uni: yes they are
[05:22] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty|uni: there is one main script in python, and those 3 (private) modules
[05:22] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: imo than to /usr/share/module... but as I already wrote, my knowledge about python stuff since the transition is quite limited
[05:22] <Sp4rKy> k
[05:22] <Sp4rKy> i'll try to just put the in /usr/share/module/ and patch the source for path
[05:23] <Sp4rKy> and we'll see
[05:23] <sistpoty|uni> Sp4rKy: maybe this will help: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[05:23] <Sp4rKy> i'm reading
[06:11] <\sh> hooray....I can install ubuntu on most of our servers ... good news..
[06:41] <Solarion> hello MOTU
[06:42] <imbrandon> ello
[06:47] <sistpoty|uni> cya
[06:49] <synic> wait, fiesty is frozen?
[06:50] <Solarion> anyone else have synaptic touchpad problems with a second user logged in?
[06:51] <ScottK> synic: I think just for Herd 2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[06:52] <Solarion> I suppose I should upgrade someday sooner rather than later
[06:52] <Solarion> later than the comps, tho
[06:52] <synic> ScottK: ah, nice
[06:56] <dholbach> geser: thanks for updating criawips
[06:57] <geser> dholbach: np
[08:11] <LaserJock> good morning MOTU land!
[08:12] <palski> Just made my first merge, somebody want to review it?
[08:12] <LaserJock> palski: got a URL for a debdiff?
[08:13] <palski> wait a second, i'll upload it somewhere
[08:13] <geser> palski: a better way is to file a bug, attach the debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[08:14] <palski> well, ok then I'll do that =)
[08:14] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:15] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[08:15] <LaserJock> geser: but then I have to go look at u-u-s ;-)
[08:16] <palski> hmm, I'll do both =)
[08:17] <geser> LaserJock: perhaps palski writes you the direct url for the debdiff
[08:18] <palski> LaserJock: http://www.vi64pa.net/Merge/jabber-merge.debdiff
[08:22] <LaserJock> palski: hmm, your debdiff has some issues
[08:22] <LaserJock> are you sure you debdiffed the right versions?
[08:22] <palski> at least I tried?
[08:22] <ScottK> Good morning Laserjock
[08:22] <geser> LaserJock: it looks like a debdiff between the last ubuntu version and the merged one
[08:23] <palski> LaserJock: against 1.4.3-3ubuntu2
[08:25] <LaserJock> palski: debdiff <Debian version> <merged Ubuntu version>
[08:32] <palski> LaserJock: second try http://www.vi64pa.net/Merge/jabber-merge2.debdiff
[08:33] <LaserJock> palski: oh, that looks better
[08:34] <LaserJock> palski: looks good, those are the only Ubuntu changes?
[08:35] <ajmitch> morning
[08:35] <palski> according to this http://patches.ubuntu.com/j/jabber/jabber_1.4.3-3ubuntu2.patch it seems so
[08:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:36] <ajmitch> \sh_away: you'll have to ping me sometime when I'm awake :)
[08:36] <ajmitch> hello bddebian 
[08:41] <LaserJock> palski: you just had a little mistake with the version, it should be ubuntu1 not ubuntu0
[08:41] <palski> alright, changing that
[08:44] <palski> LaserJock: is that ok after the change?
[08:44] <LaserJock> palski: yep
[08:45] <palski> LaserJock: ok, thanks for help =)
[08:47] <LaserJock> palski: do you have a new url for it?
[08:47] <LaserJock> or should I just make the change locally
[08:49] <palski> already done that and filled a bug for merge
[08:49] <palski> LaserJock: or are you goingto upload it right away?
[08:49] <LaserJock> palski: what's the bug number? and yeah
[08:50] <palski> bug #78721 and thanks again 
[08:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78721 in jabber "[Merge]  Jabber from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78721
[09:46] <LaserJock> palski: marked the bug as "Fix Committed", please mark it "Fix Released" when it builds ok
[09:52] <palski> LaserJock: when it builds ok?
[09:54] <geser> palski: you can also wait till hits the archive
[09:59] <LaserJock> palski: I like to make sure that it infact builds in the Ubuntu buildds on all supported archs
[09:59] <LaserJock> I just test i386 as that's all I have
[09:59] <LaserJock> sometimes we just upload and forget and leave other archs busted
[10:00] <ajmitch> and then find out 2 days after release
[10:00] <ajmitch> & deal with user complaints for the next 6 months :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:00] <ajmitch> not that LaserJock is bitter ;)
[10:00] <LaserJock> never
[10:01] <LaserJock> nor cynical
[10:01] <palski> ok, thanks, but how do I know when all builds are ok?
[10:02] <ajmitch> that always cheers me up
[10:02] <LaserJock> haha
[10:02] <ajmitch> go to the upload on launchpad, eg 
[10:02] <ajmitch>   }else{
[10:02] <ajmitch> bah
[10:02] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zope2.9
[10:03] <LaserJock> bah
[10:03] <ajmitch> click on the latest version
[10:03] <ajmitch> (or any version, really)
[10:03] <ajmitch> and it shows you the builds
[10:03] <palski> ok, thanks ajmitch 
[10:04] <LaserJock> palski: it'll take a while for it to show up because of the Herd 2 freeze
[10:05] <ajmitch> yay, freezes
[10:13] <Adri2000> universe is not really frozen
[10:13] <Adri2000> only manual approving
[10:14] <Lutin> bddebian: fixed that damn typo in gfaim
[10:14] <bddebian> :-)
[10:14] <somerville32> Can someone poke for pyNeighborhood to be approved? Xubuntu people are going to want to test it in Heard 2.
[10:15] <Adri2000> Seveas: are you going to approve new members on LP today?
[10:17] <Seveas> Adri2000, if I have som time left
[10:17] <LaserJock> somerville32: it was uploaded wasn't it?
[10:17] <LaserJock> I did it yesterday
[10:17] <somerville32> It still isn't approved by Archive Admins
[10:18] <Adri2000> Seveas: ok, could you also set my cloak when I'm approved on LP please?
[10:19] <Seveas> Adri2000, will do
[10:19] <Adri2000> thanks
[10:20] <Lutin> Seveas: could you also set my cloak when I'm approved ?
[10:21] <Seveas> Lutin, check
[10:22] <LaserJock> somerville32: I'm guessing that'll take a while
[10:22] <LaserJock> somerville32: perhaps a week or so
[10:22] <geser> Seveas: could you also set up a cloak for me while you are at it?
[10:22] <Seveas> noted
[10:22] <ernstp> Has anyone thought about adding http://debian.are-ata.org/capt/ to Ubuntu?
[10:22] <Seveas> any others? :)
[10:22] <ernstp> It's drivers for a special Canon printer protocol
[10:23] <ajmitch> ernstp: you could package it if you wanted, and if it's freely distributable
[10:24] <ernstp> there's allready a guy who's made his own debian packages of it:
[10:24] <ernstp> #for cupsys capt driver
[10:24] <ernstp> deb http://debian.are-ata.org/ all main
[10:24] <ernstp> deb-src http://debian.are-ata.org/ all main
[10:25] <mr_pouit> Seveas, if you could also set a cloak for me when I am approved, thanks :)
[10:25] <Seveas> mr_pouit, you still have to wait for mako, right?
[10:25] <LaserJock> ernstp: then make sure that they work on Ubuntu and upload them to REVU
[10:26] <Seveas> ernstp, and make sure they're freely redistributable :)
[10:26] <mr_pouit> Seveas, yes
[10:26] <Seveas> mr_pouit, then pease poke me when you're approved
[10:26] <mr_pouit> ok ^^
[10:27] <bddebian> Lutin: Does the Jan 9 upload of kayali have a new orig.tar.gz?
[10:28] <Lutin> bddebian: unfortunately not yet
[10:28] <bddebian> OK
[10:28] <Lutin> bddebian: updtream told me he would provide me a nex this weekend
[10:28] <Lutin> upstream*
[10:28] <bddebian> OK
[10:30] <Lutin> bddebian: btw, I'm really not sure about the license of some fonts in the package (see my first comment). could you have a look to tell me what you think about that ?
[10:31] <bddebian> I'm the wrong guy to ask about licensing :(
[10:32] <Lutin> ok 
[10:32] <Lutin> bddebian: who could I bug about that ?
[10:38] <bddebian> Maybe sistpoty or crimsun?  Dunno.
[10:40] <Lutin> ok, thanks :)
[10:43] <ScottK> bddebian: Do you have a moment to look at another package (should be an easy one): http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4027
[10:44] <Lutin> thanks bddebian :)
[10:44] <Lutin> LaserJock: could you have a look to gfaim when you'll have some time ?
[10:47] <LaserJock> Lutin: did you take care of the other comments?
[10:48] <bddebian> Lutin: Already done man :-)
[10:48] <bddebian> ScottK: Give me a sec
[10:49] <Lutin> LaserJock: yep, should be fixed. at least I hope
[10:49] <ScottK> Thanks
[10:49] <LaserJock> somerville32: ;-)
[10:49] <somerville32> LaserJock: had to try ;] 
[10:55] <LaserJock> Lutin: working on it now
[10:55] <Lutin> LaserJock: cool :). thx
[10:57] <metres> Hi all, i'm having a question : why does when using debuild on a package with a - in the name result as an _ in the name ?
[10:58] <Lutin> metres: maybe because it is the way it works
[10:59] <metres> it's normal then
[10:59] <Lutin> yes
[10:59] <LaserJock> metres: I think it's because we use - for versioning
[10:59] <LaserJock> and yeah, it's normal
[11:01] <Sp4rKy> bddebian: during your review, if you want re-review devede, i've correct all the linda/lintian warning :)
[11:01] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: OK
[11:01] <metres> another question... is it normal that I have been able to install a program(xvidcap) and that the packaging process ask for scrollkeeper package which is not in the repos..?
[11:01] <Lutin> metres: yes, it's possible
[11:02] <Sp4rKy> bddebian: thx :)
[11:02] <sladen> metres: if it doesn't "just work", then it's not normal and a bug that needs reporting
[11:02] <metres> so I have to package scrollkeeper package first...
[11:02] <LaserJock> no
[11:02] <Lutin> metres: scrollkeeper is already in the repos
[11:02] <sladen> metres: no, it's installed by default
[11:03] <sladen> metres: what is your /exact/ error message?
[11:03] <metres> configure: error: Couldn't find scrollkeeper-config. Please install the scrollkeeper package: http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net
[11:03] <Lutin> metres: but we may want to specify it as a build-dependancy in debian/conotrol
[11:03] <Lutin> you*
[11:03] <sladen> metres: this is during when you compile 'xvidcap' ?
[11:04] <LaserJock> Lutin: gfaim should depend on enscript don't you think?
[11:04] <metres> sladen : sudo pbuilder build *dsc
[11:04] <Lutin> LaserJock: I read the debian policy about that several times
[11:04] <Lutin> LaserJock: and still don't know
[11:04] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why?
[11:05] <LaserJock> Lutin: there's a print button in the UI
[11:05] <sladen> metres: do you have the build-deps installed/specified as Lutin says?
[11:05] <LaserJock> it has to have enscript to use that print button
[11:05] <bddebian> Ahh
[11:05] <LaserJock> that seems like a Depends to me
[11:05] <metres> I just find libscrollkeeper-dev  I will put it in the build-depends...
[11:05] <metres> thanks guys :)
[11:05] <Lutin> np metres
[11:06] <sladen> metres: if the complation calls a program, that needs to be a build-dep
[11:06] <Lutin> LaserJock: so, I set it as Depends: ?
[11:06] <sladen> Lutin: yes
[11:06] <Lutin> okok
[11:06] <Lutin> thx guys
[11:07] <Lutin> hope that will be the last upload
[11:07] <Lutin> =)
[11:07] <metres> when i change the control file, do I have to make the debuild -S -sa ? or only the pbuilder build ?
[11:07] <Lutin> metres: you have to re-run debuild
[11:07] <metres> thanks
[11:08] <LaserJock> Lutin: "The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality."
[11:08] <LaserJock> Lutin: I think printing counts as "significant amount of functionality"
[11:08] <Lutin> LaserJock: I think it's because I don't have any printer :] 
[11:08] <LaserJock> well, if the print button was optional I could see it
[11:09] <LaserJock> but it's on the toolbar
[11:09] <Lutin> yep
[11:09] <Lutin> thx for poiting this out
[11:09] <LaserJock> and believe me, my wife likes to print recipies :-)
[11:09] <Lutin> hehe =)
[11:09] <Sp4rKy> is there a special thing to do to use path with both tarball.mk & simple-patchsys.mk added to rules ?
[11:10] <Lutin> sure, it's important. 
[11:10] <Lutin> Sp4rKy: mean patch ?
[11:10] <Sp4rKy> of course :)
[11:15] <LaserJock> Lutin: done
[11:15] <LaserJock> Lutin: get bddebian to look it over again and upload
[11:15] <Lutin> thanks LaserJock :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> Lutin: np, thanks for contributing to Ubuntu
[11:18] <Lutin> :)
[11:18] <Lutin> bddebian: around ?
[11:19] <bddebian> Lutin: Yo
[11:19] <Lutin> bddebian: should be ok for upload now
[11:21] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks for the REVU and advocating.
[11:21] <bddebian> NP
[11:22] <ScottK> Any other takers?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4027
[11:22] <bddebian> ScottK: BTW, don't get too excited, most of my reviews are wrong :-)
[11:23] <ScottK> bddebian: Is OK.  I'll take what I can get.  I got a relatively hard one for you if you're up for it. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4024
[11:23] <ScottK> Odd are good it's obviously enough wrong it won't take long....
[11:24] <crimsun> gfaim doesn't need to b-d explicitly on pkg-config
[11:24] <crimsun> libgtk2.0-dev already depends on it
[11:24] <LaserJock> good point
[11:25] <Lutin> should I re-re-re-re-upload then ?
[11:27] <LaserJock> why not ;-)
[11:27] <Lutin> hehe
[11:28] <Lutin> just curious, is it really a problem ?
[11:28] <crimsun> no
[11:29] <Lutin> done :)
[11:30] <Lutin> crimsun: btw, could you have a look at kayali ? I was asking me some questions about the font licensing
[11:32] <crimsun> ScottK: you don't need the previous debian/changelog entries below 1.08.1-0ubuntu1, because they're already listed in CHANGES
[11:34] <ScottK> Understand that.  The previous upstream maintainer has a bad habit on that.  He puts /debian in his upstream packages and does that.  I went back to him and asked him to fix some stuff today and the response I got was, OK, you maintain it.
[11:35] <ScottK> So as of today, I am the upstream, but I didn't want to mess with what I inherited more than necessary on day one.
[11:36] <crimsun> it'll make life simpler for you in this respect if you separate the upstream changes (CHANGES) from packaging ones (debian/changelog) imnsho
[11:36] <ScottK> I will.  I just hoped to avoid doing it today.
[11:38] <Lutin> LaserJock, bddebian: ok, fixed the B-Ds
[11:39] <Laser_away> Lutin: done
[11:40] <crimsun> there's an apparent license conflict for the database
[11:40] <crimsun> wrt gfaim
[11:40] <Laser_away> conflict?
[11:41] <crimsun> The recipes database is freeware, please see legal_english.txt for further
[11:41] <crimsun> informations
[11:41] <crimsun> note "freeware"
[11:41] <Laser_away> bah
[11:41] <crimsun> "freeware with stipulations" == fun
[11:42] <Lutin> lol
[11:42] <crimsun> oh well, let the archive admins sort it
[11:42] <crimsun> your job's done
[11:43] <Lutin> crimsun: tollef didn't point that out when he rejected it the first time, so I thought it'd be ok
[11:43] <crimsun> Lutin: it should be fine since it's just a condition on the freeware portion
[11:43] <Lutin> ok
[11:44] <Lutin> hope so :)
[11:46] <crimsun> [off-subject, but I hope msikma in -devel is referring to 4.-10-] 
[11:46] <ajmitch> heh
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> please
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> entrance: maintainer-script-needs-depends-on-adduser postinst
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> adduser is a based packaged
[11:47] <bddebian> Sorry gang, gotta head home.  I'll catch devede and gfaim (again! :-)) after I get home.
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> so i don't need to include it  in BD, right ?
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> bddebian: ok thx bddebian :)
[11:48] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> heya Toadstool 
[11:48] <Lutin> heya Toadstool
[11:49] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: not b-d. See the lintian message.
[11:49] <Toadstool> Sp4rKy: adduser is not Essential, so it should be added to your B-D?
[11:49] <Toadstool> hmm?
[11:49] <crimsun> (note adduser's Priority anyhow)
[11:49] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool: crimsun ok, i add it in dep
[11:51] <Toadstool> oh yes, ... /me tired, not b-d, depends :(
[11:52] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool: :)
[11:52] <Sp4rKy> done the same mistake