[12:25] <lucasvo> hm, ok just rebooting my server...
[12:25] <lucasvo> hope it works
[12:25] <lucasvo> ...
[12:25] <lionel> :)
[12:28] <lucasvo> doesn't look good
[12:29] <lucasvo> I guess I have to hook up my display again
[09:41] <[miles] > morning
[11:09] <apremoli> ciao
[11:10] <apremoli> Sono nuovo e sto cercando di capire come funziona IRC
[11:14] <firecrotch> I'm purchasing a dedicated web hosting account, and I can get any distro installed.  Since I'm familiar with Ubuntu, should I go with Ubuntu Server?
[11:16] <[miles] > hola apremoli 
[11:17] <[miles] > firecrotch, nice.. any distro eh
[11:17] <[miles] > firecrotch, what u want to do with the box exactly?
[11:18] <firecrotch> It will primarily be a server for a set of message boards, as well as some multimedia content
[11:18] <apremoli> Hola miles
[11:18] <[miles] > apremoli, hablas espaol?
[11:19] <apremoli> No only Italian or English
[11:19] <[miles] > firecrotch, well.. I'll briefly tell u my story 
[11:19] <[miles] > apremoli, ah ok.. sorry, I speak English and Spanish, but not Italian, but I can understand it
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, I've used SuSE for a long long time... and for servers, their SLES range
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, this is the first time I've setup a server using Ubuntu Server...
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, I'm happy with it actually
[11:20] <[miles] > firecrotch, the one thing I trust implicitly about SUSE's SLES products, is their updates
[11:21] <firecrotch> miles, I was thinking that it would be a good choice, since I am familiar with Ubuntu, and the fact that it is built from Debian
[11:21] <[miles] > firecrotch, and if you've used SUSE, and know YaST2, well, it's one hell of a damn tool... 
[11:21] <firecrotch> I only used SUSE for a little while
[11:21] <[miles] > firecrotch, as a rule, I *only* used SUSE for servers..
[11:22] <[miles] > this is the first time I've broken that rule
[11:22] <firecrotch> Are you happy that you broke your rule?
[11:22] <[miles] > firecrotch, yes, and no
[11:22] <[miles] > firecrotch, the issue to me is *always* security updates, and how timely and stable they are
[11:22] <[miles] > firecrotch, I wont lie, I have more faith in the updates from SUSE that Ubuntu...
[11:23] <[miles] > firecrotch, but that is only due to my experience with SUSE for many years
[11:23] <[miles] > firecrotch, I can't say hand on heart, "Yeah, Ubuntu Servers updates are rock solid, timely, well tested, etc"
[11:23] <[miles] > firecrotch, but I would say exactly the same regarding CentOS also
[11:24] <[miles] > firecrotch, also, SLES 10 for example, is not expensive at all
[11:24] <firecrotch> I should mention that I have issues with SUSE/Novell
[11:24] <[miles] > welcome skar 
[11:25] <[miles] > firecrotch, what exactly?
[11:25] <skar> hi miles
[11:25] <firecrotch> deep seated religious-like issues with the fact that Novell has anything to do with Microsoft
[11:25] <firecrotch> :P
[11:25] <skar> any package of sqlgrey available?!!
[11:26] <[miles] > firecrotch, ok, thats more political than technical tho
[11:27] <firecrotch> Heh, yeah.
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, I've worked with SUSE for 7 years
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, I've seen it change a lot
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, fragment
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, etc
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, just gotta role with it
[11:27] <[miles] > firecrotch, it's a damn fine distro for enterprise solutions, and it kicks the shit out of RHEL
[11:28] <[miles] > skar, lets have a look
[11:28] <[miles] > skar, http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net/
[11:28] <[miles] > skar, of that yeah?
[11:28] <skar> m$ bought suse's friendship or something like that, nothing bad there for us users
[11:29] <skar> no big corp can be against users for so long
[11:29] <firecrotch> miles, so what I'm basically hearing is that you're most inclined towards SUSE because you're more familiar with it?
[11:29] <[miles] > firecrotch, better to say it has my trust
[11:29] <[miles] > firecrotch, I can move freely between distros without problem
[11:30] <firecrotch> Gotcha.
[11:30] <[miles] > firecrotch, security..security...security 
[11:30] <firecrotch> Ubuntu (with it's Debian base :) ) has my trust
[11:30] <[miles] > firecrotch, I just trust their patching
[11:30] <skar> miles: yup already using sqlgrey in gentoo for my devel system, but for server ubuntu et al seem better but no deb for the best greylisting server :(
[11:30] <[miles] > skar, sudo aptitude show postgrey
[11:31] <[miles] > skar, that package is with ubuntu
[11:31] <[miles] > skar, that any use to u?
[11:32] <skar> yup but postgrey is too primitive and poor on features
[11:32] <[miles] > ok
[11:32] <[miles] > mmm, can u compile from source?
[11:32] <[miles] > and build your own .deb if required?
[11:34] <firecrotch> miles, thanks a lot for your input
[11:35] <[miles] > firecrotch, please don't think I'm knocking Ubuntu Server, cos' im not
[11:35] <[miles] > firecrotch, just to me, time will tell
[11:36] <[miles] > firecrotch, I believe it's in it's infancy
[11:41] <skar> miles: yes thats the option other than source install(its perl anyway)
[01:23] <lucasvo> hm, can someone help me with XEN?
[01:26] <lucasvo> [miles] : well I haven't even been able to boot my xen kernel
[01:26] <[miles] > lucasvo, sorry, I have noooo idea
[01:26] <[miles] > one sec, I have a mate who does Xen in Ubuntu...
[01:26] <[miles] > let me see if I can get him to join
[01:29] <[miles] > lucasvo, he's a bit busy atm, but he'll join shortly
[01:30] <lucasvo> ty
[01:31] <lucasvo> current status: reboots after it tries to load the kernel... :(
[01:36] <lucasvo> thefish: you know xen?
[01:36] <thefish> lucasvo: a little, what do you need to know?
[01:36] <lucasvo> well I want  to install it on edgy :)
[01:36] <thefish> ok cool
[01:36] <thefish> ive never done that, but i cant imagine its too tough
[01:36] <thefish> you need to run a xen kernel
[01:37] <thefish> so you will need to build your own
[01:37] <thefish> ps, whoever decided that #ubuntu-server should be about development might want to think again
[01:37] <thefish> #ubuntu-development may have been a slightly more intelligent choice
[01:38] <thefish> with #ubuntu-server doing what it says on the tin, serving as a place to discuss and get help for ubuntu SERVER
[01:38] <thefish> ffs
[01:39] <thefish> lucasvo: now thats over with, if you find a howto for dapper it should work
[01:40] <thefish> you basically need to: get zen patches against a certain kernel -> download that kernel -> patch it -> configure it with xen support -> build it -> boot it
[01:40] <thefish> you can use the same kernel for guests and the host
[01:41] <lucasvo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenVirtualMachine/XenOnUbuntuEdgy
[01:42] <lucasvo> this doesn't seem to work for me
[01:42] <lucasvo> and it is outdated
[01:42] <thefish> aah ok, so theres a xen kernel in universe
[01:43] <thefish> lucasvo: where do you get stuck?
[01:44] <thefish> if you get stuck on boot, check the path to your /boot
[01:44] <lucasvo> thefish: the path is correct
[01:45] <thefish> you may need just /xen-3.0-i386.gz etc 
[01:45] <lucasvo> it can load the modules but hten it reboots without warning
[01:45] <thefish> so where are you getting stuck? can you boot dom0?
[01:45] <lucasvo> no
[01:45] <thefish> ah
[01:45] <lucasvo> I can't boot
[01:45] <lucasvo> but grub can load the modules
[01:46] <thefish> make sure you have root= correct as well
[01:47] <thefish> sorry lucasvo i need to go, may be back in a bit - try joining #xen maybe?
[01:47] <thefish> seeya
[01:49] <J_P> hi all
[01:49] <J_P> people, is possible install apache2_mod_python and apache2_mod_php one same server ?
[01:52] <[miles] > guys, I'm getting this error:
[01:53] <[miles] > [21577]  dbg: ldap: loading Net::LDAP and URI
[01:53] <[miles] > [21577]  error: Can't locate Encode/ConfigLocal.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib ../lib /usr/share/perl5 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/pe
[01:53] <[miles] > rl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 52.
[01:53] <[miles] > any ideas what package im missing?
[02:59] <skar> uuencode?!?
[03:03] <[miles] > back
[03:04] <[miles] > skar, dunno
[03:08] <skar> hmm try installing Encode
[03:08] <skar> thats what it says
[03:09] <[miles] > http://use.perl.org/~TeeJay/journal/22506
[03:09] <[miles] > did that
[03:09] <[miles] > now, no errors
[03:09] <[miles] > ;)
[03:53] <drarem> is it really necessary for all these forums to make you type in some code you can barely read to authenticate you are a human and then fill out a registration email to say you are who you say you are just to be able to post a dumb reply to a dumb message?
[03:57] <[miles] > yes
[03:57] <[miles] > totally
[03:57] <[miles] > justified
[03:57] <[miles] > ;)
[04:01] <drarem> some of those things are hard to read - I want to slap the webmaster and make him read a text in that
[04:01] <drarem> textbook
[04:02] <drarem>  /rant
[04:31] <levander`> I've got some empty test database in my MySQL 5.0 server.  Is this something the install scripts put there for a purpose, or did I just put it in there?
[04:31] <levander`> Do you guys have a test database in your server?
[04:44] <drarem> i think it puts a sample database in there
[04:45] <drarem> what's the database name
[04:51] <mralphabet> drarem: the users suffer a slight inconvenience or the users suffer a forum full of spam posts . . . your pick
[05:14] <J_P> hey all, anyone here has installed with sucess (subversion + trac + ssl) and  (DotProject)  on ubuntu ?
[05:30] <J_P> anyone use SVN or DotProject on Ubuntu ?
[09:33] <CarlFK> [  137.878574]  cs4232-pnpbios: probe of 01:01.00 failed with error -2
[09:33] <CarlFK> [  137.878674]  CS4232 soundcard not found or device busy
[09:33] <CarlFK> why is -server doing anything with sound cards?
[09:37] <tmh__> why wouldn't it be? why would the modules be removed from -server? is there some problem with it using your sound card?
[09:44] <CarlFK> space, and what ever other advantages server has over desktop