[06:03] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee |isHere! :)
[06:03] <crimsun> hoo rah!
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato, crimsun!
[06:44] <Jucato> Hi Hobbsee_ the 3rd :)
[07:13] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[07:15] <nixternal> for some odd reason, my initial connection to kde svn is very slow
[07:15] <Hobbsee> :(
[07:16] <Jucato> heh:)
[07:16] <Hobbsee> night Jucato
[07:16] <nixternal> do i need to worry? ;p
[07:16] <Jucato> no not at all :)
[07:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: good afternoon :)
[07:16] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:16] <Jucato> I just feel soooo sleepy
[07:16] <nixternal> sleepy sleep then :)
[08:31] <yuriy> Hobbsee: why wine?
[08:31] <yuriy> *whine
[08:32] <Hobbsee> yuriy: being /queried and bitched at by a guy who hasnt actually directly helped ubuntu, about how the releases and dev team is crap.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> and MOTU
[08:33] <yuriy> yuck.
[08:33] <crimsun> /msg Hobbsee PONIES
[08:33] <crimsun> err
[08:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe
[08:33] <Hobbsee> yuriy: indeed.
[08:38] <yuriy> hmm raw conversion in digikam doesn't seem to work
[12:32] <seaLne> is there anyway so that when you open a writable file via an kioslave to open it rw rather than ro?  i get this with samba and fish, you have to right click to get rw?
[12:37] <Riddell> you mean open in (say) kate proper rather than in kate embedded part?
[12:39] <seaLne> not sure if its just my setup, but it opened in kate proper, but wouldn't allow me to write in todays instance when in a blog posting i clicked on a link to file on a samba share which all opened fine
[12:41] <seaLne> hmm fish does just use kpart
[12:43] <seaLne> i wonder what typical users expect to get from clicking on a file that is writable, probably that it would behave the same as a local file, i wonder if this is a filebrowser/web browser concept problem
[01:51] <Riddell> seaLne: even for http I'm not sure how it decides whether to embed or open the app
[01:56] <seaLne> yeah i suppose webdav would be another victim
[02:25] <Riddell> anyone want to work on the Herd2 page?
[02:32] <Riddell> sebas: power manager broked
[02:32] <Riddell>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/powermanage.py", line 42, in _readValue
[02:32] <Riddell>     fhandle = open(file)
[02:33] <Riddell> IOError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq'
[02:33] <Riddell> hi pinheiro
[02:33] <pinheiro> hi Riddell
[02:34] <pinheiro> how you doing?
[02:36] <Riddell> I'm good, any news?
[02:37] <Jucato> hi Riddell, hi pinheiro!
[02:37] <pinheiro> Riddell:  none
[02:38] <pinheiro> apart from lots of work in the kde artfront
[02:38] <pinheiro> but that is hardly somthing new :P
[02:40] <mhb> hi Jucato, yes you were right ... somebody writing UWN has mistaken the two words (windeco/widget style)
[02:42] <Riddell> mhb: didn't you write that?
[02:43] <mhb> Riddell: no, I just cleaned up the Kubuntu/Meetings mess
[02:44] <Riddell> oh, I wonder who wrote it then
[02:46] <Jucato> ryanacka?
[02:51] <Riddell> top bloke whoever it was :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> hey Riddell how's it going dude, its been a while, happy new year
[02:55] <Riddell> hi jsgotangco, it's going well thanks, how's your archipeligo?
[02:55] <mhb> Riddell: nixternal
[02:55] <jsgotangco> Riddell: pretty good, travelling next week to indonesia for an asia-wide foss workshop, work is doing good, started working on some edubuntu stuff again
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: ^^ did the UWN kubuntu-meeting part
[02:56] <Riddell> like I said, top bloke
[02:58] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:14] <sebas> Riddell: What machine?
[03:14] <Riddell> sebas: mine
[03:14] <Riddell> thinkpad
[03:14] <sebas> Can  you ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ ?
[03:15] <sebas> I can whip up a patch in a minute then
[03:15] <Riddell> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[03:15] <Riddell> ls: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/: No such file or directory
[03:15] <Riddell> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[03:15] <Riddell> crash_notes  topology
[03:16] <Riddell> sebas: cpu scaling is broken in linux on my cheapo r40e so it gets turned off at some point near to bootup
[03:16] <Riddell> or not loaded or something
[03:17] <sebas> Interesting, I'll make that part more stable then. You'll have to test a patch then which first detects it and later *not* assumes it's still there.
[03:21] <Riddell> sebas: cool, happy to test whenever
[03:25] <sebas> Riddell: I've emailed you a patch, let me know if that helps.
[03:29] <Riddell>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/powermanage.py", line 346, in getCpuState
[03:29] <Riddell>     for v in freqs.split():
[03:29] <Riddell> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'freqs' referenced before assignment
[03:30] <sebas> Ow, shit.
[03:30] <sebas> Add a "return state" after the state['online']  = False please
[03:32] <Riddell> sebas: that does the job
[03:33] <Riddell> yep, working nicely now
[03:33] <Riddell> which means I can go to lunch!  yay
[03:34] <sebas> Eet smakelijk
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:54] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:57] <Riddell> ah, nixternal, are you able to work on the herd 2 pages for a release in a few hours?
[05:03] <nixternal> i can do that here in a few, yes
[05:03] <nixternal> i was going to work on it last night, but my intertube became mangled and i was out for the night :(
[05:04] <Riddell> intertube?
[05:05] <nixternal> internet :)
[05:05] <nixternal> lol
[05:05] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:05] <nixternal> don't know why i was thinking of an intertube
[05:08] <nixternal> Riddell: kdesu ls   <- what's up with this one?
[05:13] <Riddell> nixternal: it's the dots in the password box
[05:13] <Riddell> instead of X's
[05:13] <Riddell> happens in any password field
[05:13] <Riddell> ooh, it's amu!
[05:14] <nixternal> ahh, ok
[05:15] <Riddell> nixternal: so crop the screenshot to only show the centre
[06:07] <Riddell> sebas: you should do a talk about power manager at fosdem
[06:28] <nixternal> Riddell: briefly explain iconic directories?
[06:29] <Jucato> lol @ "rm -rf /"
[06:29] <mhb> Jucato: what's so funny about that?
[06:30] <Jucato> mhb: the screenshot that's going to be used...
[06:34] <Jucato> yeah
[06:34] <mhb> thanks nixternal
[06:34] <nixternal> i haven't gotten there just yet, i wanted to make a "scare the crap out of the user" warning so they don't do that :)
[06:34] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:34] <nixternal> i was going to do a new screenshot, but said nah, i think this will add a little humour to us :)
[06:34] <Jucato> dangerous humor :P
[06:35] <Jucato> mhb: were you able to correct the UWN article?
[06:37] <mhb> Jucato: I haven't tried because I was not sure if that is allowed
[06:37] <Jucato> afaik, it was. I remember editing it once, after asking permission from jjesse.
[06:38] <mhb> nixternal: ^^ is one allowed to make a correction in the UWN?
[06:38] <nixternal> ya, what correction is needed?
[06:38] <nixternal> Jucato: you can make the correction as well ;)
[06:38] <Jucato> nixternal: I made one before. but it's mhb's concern :)
[06:38] <nixternal> now look at the warning i put up :)
[06:38] <nixternal> it is a public wiki, don't worry :)
[06:39] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:39] <mhb> nixternal: a great guy has made a UWN article about the Kubuntu Meeting, but he wrote that I discussed a new "window decoration", it was a new "widget style"
[06:40] <nixternal> that great guy was me :)
[06:40] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:41] <mhb> nixternal: I know
[06:41] <Jucato> :)
[06:41] <nixternal> you know the funny thing, i specifically remember widget as well
[06:41] <nixternal> don't know why i got into a windeco frame of mind
[06:42] <Jucato> maybe the same reason why you got into an intertube frame of mind? :)
[06:42] <mhb> nixternal: it's easy to mix it, I did that myself a few times when writing about it
[06:42] <mhb> nixternal: it's really nothing serious, but it's great if that could be fixed
[06:42] <nixternal> ya, but i remember us talking about widgets the night before, because i installed the latest as well :)
[06:43] <Riddell> nixternal: if you go to "/" in konqueror you get pretty icons for home and /media
[06:43] <nixternal> thanks Riddell
[06:45] <nixternal> for some odd reason i can boot the latest daily
[06:47] <Riddell> that's a good thing
[06:56] <nixternal> lol
[06:56] <nixternal> damn, I can't boot :)
[06:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:56] <Riddell> oh, that's not good
[06:56] <Riddell> what happens?
[06:56] <nixternal> nothing
[06:56] <nixternal> it tries to boot, skips the cd and goes to grub
[07:01] <Riddell> sounds like a bad CD
[07:02] <nixternal> very well could be, i shall try another burn
[07:08] <nixternal> how long until the Herd is released?
[07:09] <Riddell> nixternal: ubuntu is lagging and still needs their desktop CDs tested I believe
[07:09] <Riddell> but this european evening
[07:09] <nixternal> ok, so at least a few hours yet
[07:09] <Riddell> yes
[07:09] <nixternal> good, i want to grab a couple of screenshots yet
[07:09] <nixternal> i installed herd1, but with udpates the kscd and kaudiocreator is still there and there were no visual changes to kaffeine
[07:10] <nixternal> s/is/are
[07:11] <mhb> Has Tonio done the Amarok option in a context menu when an audio CD is inserted?
[07:12] <mhb> there were some translation issues that I have not seen before
[07:12] <nixternal> Riddell: the 2nd burn didn't work either, the latest daily is not booting
[07:13] <Riddell> worked fine for me last night
[07:13] <nixternal> 20070111?
[07:13] <Riddell> there is no daily 20070111 for kubuntu
[07:13] <nixternal> ya there is
[07:13] <nixternal> lol
[07:13] <Riddell> only a daily-live
[07:14] <nixternal> oh ya, sorry
[07:14] <nixternal> 20070110 gave me the issues
[07:14] <Riddell> and that definately works fine
[07:14] <Riddell> well, for me anyway :)
[07:14] <nixternal> hrmm, 2 burns, 3 different computers :/
[07:15] <Riddell> how many CD media?
[07:15] <nixternal> 2
[07:15] <mhb> you cannot run a CD check with a daily CD?
[07:15] <Riddell> hmm
[07:15] <nixternal> i can't even boot to do a check
[07:16] <Riddell> mhb: his problem is it doesn't get to the CD boot screen
[07:16] <mhb> Riddell: oh
[07:16] <Riddell> anyone else able to test?
[07:16] <nixternal> im grabbing a live cd
[07:16] <nixternal> and my issue was with daily/current
[07:17] <mhb> I've downloaded a daily recently, I'll run rsync and test
[07:18] <Riddell> mhb: thanks
[07:48] <mhb> current feisty daily build works for me
[07:49] <mhb> well, at least I'm able to boot it
[07:50] <Riddell> phew
[07:50] <Riddell> mhb: desktop CD?
[07:51] <mhb> Riddell: yes
[07:51] <Riddell> thanks
[08:07] <nixternal> Riddell: i can boot the live, but cannot boot the alternate
[08:12] <nixternal> Riddell: i thought kaffeine removed the audio shortcuts?
[08:13] <Riddell> nixternal: should have done
[08:14] <nixternal> lovely, with the desktop cd, i get right past the select location, and i get a 50/50 screen of ping (bottom) and gray with diaganol lines (top)
[08:14] <nixternal> s/ping/pink
[08:14] <toma> Riddell: are the sync people busy / is there a known delay?
[08:15] <Riddell> nixternal: control-alt-F1; alt-F7
[08:15] <Riddell> nixternal: it's a known issue
[08:15] <Riddell> toma: I don't know if anyone is paying much attention to syncs, what's the package?
[08:15] <nixternal> thanks!
[08:15] <toma> Riddell: mailody
[08:17] <Riddell> toma: bug number?
[08:17] <toma> i'll make a new release for the uvf
[08:17] <nixternal> how come with feisty, it sees all hard drives as scsi?
[08:17] <toma> Riddell: bug #77711
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77711 in mailody "Please sync 0.3.0-1 with Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77711
[08:17] <Riddell> nixternal: new parallel IDE driver wheejum
[08:17] <nixternal> gotcha
[08:19] <Riddell> jdong: what's the GNU HASH thing you were talking about earlier?
[08:19] <jdong> Riddell, it's a new linker hash style in feisty's libc
[08:20] <jdong> speeds up dynamic linking significantly, like prelink
[08:20] <jdong> only no need to run a time-consuming binary-modifying command every week :)
[08:20] <jdong> FC6 included it and the first thing their KDE reviews talk about is the speed :)
[08:20] <Riddell> jdong: what's the downside?
[08:21] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu  is almost ready
[08:21] <jdong> Riddell, it makes binaries a tad larger, but mostly that is unnoticeable
[08:21] <Riddell> toma: mithrandir says he'll look at it tomorrow along with other archive admin stuff
[08:21] <jdong> Riddell, and oh yeah, it requires a system compiled from ground-up with new enough libc to support it :)
[08:21] <jdong> both of which are mostly done in feisty :)
[08:22] <toma> Riddell: oki!
[08:22] <jdong> IMO at least KUbuntu release notes should make mention of that :)
[08:32] <nixternal> Herd (almost)2 is installed :)
[09:16] <kwwii> moin
[09:20] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[09:20] <kwwii> howdy Riddell
[09:22] <Riddell> crivvens
[09:26] <kwwii> well, I am an artist :p
[09:26] <kwwii> but my wife keeps looking at me strange
[09:26] <kwwii> like I sold her first born or something
[09:35] <nixternal> kwwii: well did you sell her first born? ;)
[09:36] <nixternal> they don't look at ya like that unless you did something they didn't agree with, trust me, i get that look 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, and lord have it if it is a leap year ;p
[09:37] <nixternal> oh kwwii -> http://www.blarneyisland.com/
[09:37] <nixternal> you know you miss it
[09:39] <kwwii> nixternal: not yet, it will take a while till the camera comes in :-)
[09:40] <kwwii> haha! sweet!
[09:40] <kwwii> I feel at home
[09:40] <kwwii> a butt-white girl in a bikini
[09:40] <nixternal> man, blarney has gotten big, they even have a bar in florida now
[09:40] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[09:40] <kwwii> wow, that is amazing
[09:40] <nixternal> we don't get any sun in chicago, you know that
[09:41] <kwwii> well, I get even less in germany
[09:41] <kwwii> trust me on that one
[09:41] <nixternal> hehe
[09:42] <kwwii> thinking about moving back home though
[09:42] <nixternal> really?
[09:42] <kwwii> yeah, I work from home, and my wife has a masters degree in english and journalism
[09:42] <nixternal> guess i will have to buy a new boat then, we can meet up an hack! or get drunk
[09:42] <kwwii> hehe
[09:42] <kwwii> definitely
[09:43] <kwwii> my family always had a house-boat
[09:43] <kwwii> but my dad sold his last boat a few years ago
[09:43] <Riddell> nixternal: do I want to know what that website is about?
[09:44] <nixternal> Riddell: it is a bar where kwwii is from
[09:44] <nixternal> about an hour north of where i live
[09:44] <nixternal> it is a bar out in the middle of a lake
[09:44] <kwwii> sounds boring but it is not
[09:44] <nixternal> so don't think about drinking and walking home :)
[09:45] <kwwii> hehe, exactly
[09:45] <nixternal> heh, i was cheap a few years back and bought 2 jet skis just so we can goto blarneys
[09:46] <nixternal> you can pay like $5 or $10 for a water taxi, take your own boat, or jet ski. and they  have extreme boating in the summer (jet boats and what not)
[09:47] <Riddell> it's on an island then?
[09:48] <nixternal> yes
[09:48] <nixternal> well no, it is almost like a floating bar
[09:48] <kwwii> yeah
[09:48] <kwwii> it is not an island
[09:48] <kwwii> not really
[09:48] <kwwii> and it is on a chain of lakes
[09:48] <nixternal> it sits on posts
[09:50] <kwwii> orignally it was a dock on the shore of a lake
[09:50] <kwwii> then they made a damn which cut it off from dry land
[09:51] <kwwii> well, before it was that it was a houseboat that a guy ran as a bar in the early 1900's
[09:54] <firephoto> ubiquity is crashing with the daily-live here. bug 78847
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78847 in ubiquity "Installer Crashed kubuntu daily-live 20070111 i386" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78847
[09:56] <Riddell> firephoto: yarg, thanks for reporting
[09:57] <Riddell> although I'm sure that code is well tested
[09:57] <Riddell> firephoto: are you able to take a screenshot of that page before it crashes?
[09:58] <firephoto> Riddell: i see an ubiquity update, i'll try that.
[09:59] <firephoto>  yeah, it looks fine, just pops up the crashed window after the user/host/password page
[10:00] <Riddell> firephoto: not after the partitioning step?
[10:00] <firephoto> nope, during disk detection.
[10:01] <firephoto> 2 maybe 3 little progress windows go by, then the crash. too fast to see what the last one is saying.
[10:01] <firephoto> same thing with the update btw.
[10:02] <Riddell> firephoto: ok, screenshot no use then
[10:03] <firephoto> i found something in the .xsession-errors, i'll put that on the bug.
[10:04] <Riddell> firephoto: I can't look at this immediately I'm afraid, but it's high on my todo
[10:06] <firephoto> Riddell: ok, i'm sure the hardware has something to do with it. this is on an Intel G965 system. I updated that bug.
[10:15] <Riddell> firephoto: it looks like a bug in the frontend, just a hardware config I havn't tried before which makes it set values in a way none of my machines do
[10:16] <Riddell> firephoto: you could run the gtk frontend and see if that works to confirm
[10:16] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[10:24] <firephoto> Riddell: ok, i'll try that.
[10:30] <firephoto> Riddell: it failed at the same spot but took longer after the step 5 page to pop up the Installer crashed window.
[10:38] <Riddell> firephoto: same crash?
[10:39] <firephoto> looks like it, i updated the bug with new logs
[10:41] <Riddell> all very confusing
[10:43] <firephoto> i'm going to try the amd64 cd, and if that's the same i'll try disconnecting one of the hard drives.
[11:13] <elcuco> can anyone help me confrim a bug?
[11:13] <elcuco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/78856
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78856 in kdebase "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:14] <elcuco> basically, killall kdesktop, strace -f -eopen -o 1.txt kdesktop, and then see it kdelibs.mo is loaded (search for it in 1.txt)
[11:15] <elcuco> i assume this will work also on non hebrew translations
[11:42] <firephoto> Riddell: I disconnected the IDE drive and it seems to be working. There must still be some problems with the core2duo boards and the IDE hard disk support from the livecd.(?)
[11:59] <Riddell> firephoto: it's still probably an issue with the front end code