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| mdke | elmo: still awake? | 12:23 |
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| elmo | mdke: unfortunately | 12:24 |
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| mdke | elmo: I can restrict that wiki page, if you give me the wikiname of the relevant user you think should have access | 12:24 |
| ogra | elmo, btw, seems all my mails to edubuntu-devel are swallowed ... | 12:25 |
| elmo | eh, you can? | 12:25 |
| elmo | ogra: yes, I know | 12:25 |
| mdke | elmo: yes | 12:25 |
| elmo | ogra: mail RT - I'll hack on mailman in the morning | 12:25 |
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| mdke | or rather, I think I can. | 12:25 |
| ogra | elmo, so its not a misconfiguration or something ? | 12:25 |
| mdke | elmo: I seem to recall myself and henrik being hardcoded as admins on that wiki | 12:26 |
| elmo | ogra: no - the mails are being swallowed and there's no useful reason given | 12:26 |
| elmo | mdke: ah, yeah, looks like someone is | 12:26 |
| ogra | RichEd maintained the MLs for the last few months ... he might have changed a setting | 12:26 |
| elmo | mdke: I didn't realise ACLs were enabled | 12:26 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: all three kubuntu alternate CDs are good | 12:26 |
| ogra | ok, i'll file an RT | 12:26 |
| elmo | mdke: anyway - |I don't know who should have access, that's why I was asking you ;-) | 12:27 |
| mdke | elmo: oh. I thought it would be a sysadmin | 12:27 |
| elmo | mdke: well, see the problem is moin ACLs are about as useful as a burred screw driver | 12:28 |
| Laser_away | lol | 12:28 |
| elmo | mdke: if you already have admin powers, then it might as well be you | 12:28 |
| elmo | because admin powers are binary in moin | 12:28 |
| elmo | you either have them for the whole site, or you don't | 12:28 |
| elmo | short of chattr +i-ing the file on disk, I can't stop you editing the page, IYSWIM | 12:29 |
| mdke | elmo: beneath that it can be page by page though, right? | 12:29 |
| elmo | mdke: no, it can't | 12:29 |
| elmo | mdke: anyone with 'admin' privs can change the perms on a page | 12:29 |
| mdke | yes, that's right | 12:29 |
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| mdke | elmo: who is hardcoded in there? Is newz too? | 12:30 |
| elmo | mdke: whoever's listed on the 'AdminGroup' page | 12:31 |
| elmo | so you and newz | 12:31 |
| mdke | hmm. | 12:32 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, still around ? | 01:09 |
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| Keybuk | ogra: what's up? | 01:17 |
| ogra | Keybuk, cjwatson said he approved ltsp 0.130 but i dont see it on LP anywhere | 01:17 |
| ogra | could you have a look ? | 01:17 |
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| Keybuk | he did indeed approve it | 01:19 |
| ogra | strange ... | 01:19 |
| Keybuk | why? | 01:19 |
| Keybuk | publisher is on manual | 01:19 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp doesnt show it anywhere | 01:19 |
| Keybuk | it won't actually get processed until Mithrandir runs it | 01:19 |
| ogra | oh | 01:19 |
| Keybuk | standard procedure during releases | 01:19 |
| ogra | can you do it ? so i can trigger my CDs tongiht or is that an exclusive Mithrandir thing ? | 01:20 |
| Keybuk | no, Mithrandir holds a lock on the publisher | 01:21 |
| Keybuk | if he's not here to check, I won't run it in case he's deliberately got it on manual | 01:21 |
| Keybuk | and if here's here, he can run it :) | 01:21 |
| ogra | well ... | 01:22 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ping, please trigger a build of ltsp, needed for new edubuntu install isos | 01:22 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ltsp 0.130, sorry | 01:23 |
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| lifeless | mdz: around ? | 03:29 |
| mdz | lifeless: yes | 03:29 |
| lifeless | got time for a short chat ? | 03:29 |
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| RedStamp | hello | 03:45 |
| RedStamp | If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried | 03:53 |
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| jdong | is there any way to coerce/bootstrap ubiquity into unpacking into a filesystem that I already mounted? | 04:54 |
| jdong | just for fun I'm gonna attempt a Ubuntu install into ntfs-3g | 04:54 |
| jdong | because I managed to get a minimalist embedded linux setup working out of NTFS | 04:54 |
| mjg59 | It's possible | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | Just miserable | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | Oh, i see what you mean | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | jdong: best wait for Colin to wake up | 04:56 |
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| jdong | mjg59: yeah, it's too late for me, too... worst comes to worst I'll just manually install it | 05:09 |
| jdong | next question... how do I modify the initramfs script that finds/mounts the root? | 05:10 |
| jdong | where is that script located and what is the safest way to edit it | 05:10 |
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| keescook | jdong: would a direct debootstrap work for that? | 05:34 |
| lifeless | jdong: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ | 05:35 |
| lifeless | jdong: thats where the initramfs is built from | 05:35 |
| jdong | keescook: yeah but then I don't get the fully configured base system :) | 05:35 |
| jdong | unless there's another way to activate the hostname and such | 05:36 |
| jdong | heck I'll just rsync an existing installation | 05:36 |
| keescook | jdong: really? I mean, I guess I haven't tried it too much, but installing ubuntu-desktop always seemed to work. :) | 05:36 |
| jdong | is rsyncing / on the livecd and removing casper equivalent to ubiquity? :D | 05:36 |
| jdong | lifeless: thanks | 05:36 |
| keescook | heh, dunno. :) | 05:36 |
| lifeless | jdong: no | 05:36 |
| lifeless | (the rsyncing / question) | 05:37 |
| lifeless | jdong: on the livecd, / is not the cd root | 05:37 |
| lifeless | jdong: its a unionfs of the squashfs from the cd rom | 05:37 |
| jdong | right, but for all intents it's a bootable ubuntu environment, right? | 05:38 |
| lifeless | jdong: errr | 05:38 |
| lifeless | jdong: FSVO | 05:38 |
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| lifeless | jdong: check /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper to see whats involved in mounting / on it | 05:38 |
| jdong | ok | 05:39 |
| jdong | then I shall just untar one of my root backups onto an ntfs drive :D | 05:39 |
| jdong | one more crackpot question.... | 05:41 |
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| jdong | is it technically feasible to have initramfs pivot_root into a subdirectory of a filesystem, if I don't feel like partitioning to dual boot? | 05:42 |
| lifeless | jdong: probably via bind mounting | 05:42 |
| jdong | i.e. install feisty into /feisty, then modify initramfs to treat /mnt/feisty as / | 05:42 |
| jdong | yeah, bind-mount home and the typical virtual fs'es | 05:42 |
| jdong | but it looks good in my head :D | 05:42 |
| jdong | something keeps on saying in the back of my head that it's a stupid idea though | 05:43 |
| lifeless | why are you doing this ? | 05:43 |
| jdong | lifeless: I'm working on a bold and reckless idea of installing linux to a pre-existing NTFS drive via ntfs-3g | 05:43 |
| jdong | like install ubuntu to c:\Linux and use LILO to boot off it | 05:44 |
| jdong | that cuts out the "I don't ubuntu because I don't wanna partition" excuse | 05:44 |
| lifeless | scarwee | 05:44 |
| jdong | lol yes | 05:44 |
| jdong | does the initramfs environment have an awk or something like that? | 05:44 |
| jdong | I wanna modify root=/dev/foo syntax to support root=/dev/foo:/Linux | 05:45 |
| jdong | an arbitrarily specified subdirectory | 05:45 |
| jdong | maybe I should use a separate rootsubdir=/Linux option instead... | 05:45 |
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| jdong | the scariest part is ntfs-3g doesn't have any permissions support.... other than mounting the entire drive with a uid/gid/umask | 05:48 |
| jdong | that'll likely ruin the practicality of this and just make it a digg story :D | 05:48 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | hey fabbione! | 06:52 |
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| mneptok | arr! | 07:00 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: if we are still in time, that partman-base upload will allow to install on Niagara again. thanks | 07:06 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | heya pitti | 08:18 |
| fabbione | pitti: do you have any clue on what's generating this error: end from FAM server connection | 08:19 |
| fabbione | ? | 08:19 |
| fabbione | i can see it on some apps like gthumb or gtkam | 08:19 |
| fabbione | when i save stuff in ~/Desktop they don't appear anymore | 08:20 |
| pitti | fabbione: uh, fam? that's so prehistoric | 08:20 |
| fabbione | or remove and they don't disappear | 08:20 |
| fabbione | pitti: yeah but i have ubuntu-desktop installed | 08:20 |
| pitti | fabbione: never saw it, and gnome doesn't use either fam or gamin any more | 08:20 |
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| fabbione | and i am 100% sure i didn't play with anything there | 08:20 |
| === fabbione wonders wth | ||
| pitti | fabbione: hm, no idea; I assume it is not a translatable string we could grep for | 08:20 |
| fabbione | Binary file libfam.so.0 matches | 08:21 |
| fabbione | Binary file libfam.so.0.0.0 matches | 08:21 |
| fabbione | Binary file libgamin-1.so.0 matches | 08:21 |
| fabbione | Binary file libgamin-1.so.0.1.8 matches | 08:21 |
| fabbione | well something is still using it | 08:21 |
| fabbione | let's figure | 08:21 |
| pitti | fabbione: where did you see that, .xsession-errors? | 08:22 |
| fabbione | xterm | 08:22 |
| === pitti greps /usr/bin | ||
| fabbione | pitti: there is tons of stuff that still depends on libgamin0 | 08:23 |
| fabbione | directly/indirectly | 08:23 |
| fabbione | After unpacking 240MB disk space will be freed. | 08:23 |
| fabbione | Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? | 08:23 |
| fabbione | |libgnomevfs2-0 | 08:24 |
| fabbione | libgamin-dev | 08:24 |
| fabbione | gamin | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: yes, not all of the kde stuff ever got rebuilt | 08:24 |
| fabbione | these 2 looks | 08:24 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: rebuilt with what? i didn't follow the transition | 08:24 |
| fabbione | if there was any | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: rebuilt to lose the dep on libgamin0 | 08:24 |
| fabbione | ok | 08:25 |
| Amaranth | i once rebuilt my desktop to not need libgamin0 | 08:26 |
| Amaranth | it's like 3 packages | 08:26 |
| Amaranth | apparently less now, just gnomevfs | 08:26 |
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| Amaranth | there is a problem with removing gamin | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | right now all the polling happens in the gam_server | 08:28 |
| Amaranth | when you use gnomevfs to do it each app does it on their own | 08:28 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: uh, do we really use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/Ubuntu? that looks so empty | 08:28 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: i believe we're migrating there/ | 08:28 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 08:28 |
| pitti | I meant, using the pages for herd-2 testing | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: that's the idea, yes. | 08:32 |
| === pitti is surprised that there were so few results yesterday | ||
| Mithrandir | but I need to build a new desktop before it's meaningful to test it. | 08:33 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I got network back and stuff is rsyncing; as usual I grab powerpc and some amd64? | 08:33 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: can we get the new partman-base in? | 08:33 |
| pitti | oh, good warning; alternates are ok? | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: I think so, I haven't had the time to test any yet. | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: I'm looking at it now. | 08:34 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ok thanks. | 08:34 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ok, I start with alternate | 08:34 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: if we can't .. ok.. i will just netinstall as soon as you unleash it | 08:34 |
| fabbione | but it's not in initrd | 08:34 |
| fabbione | so we don't need new d-i | 08:34 |
| fabbione | just cd rebuild | 08:34 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: and it seems like sparc is the only one bitten (though I think the code's buggy on all arches) | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | so I'll just rebuild sparc. | 08:36 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: if that's possible it would be wonderful | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | everything's possible. Impossible stuff just takes a little bit more time. | 08:36 |
| fabbione | acutally only Niagara is bitten but the code is randomically buggy | 08:36 |
| fabbione | or better | 08:36 |
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| fabbione | Niagara was the first to show the bug | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 08:36 |
| fabbione | if you want i also have the kernel patch to debug that stuff :P | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | heh. | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | anyway, publisher running. | 08:37 |
| fabbione | danke | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | that should give ogra his ltsp fix too. | 08:37 |
| Hobbsee | hey Mithrandir | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | good morning Hobbsee | 08:38 |
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| carlos | pitti: hi, I had to run again language pack script | 08:40 |
| carlos | pitti: I will ping you once it's finished | 08:40 |
| carlos | ok? | 08:40 |
| pitti | carlos: ah, thanks | 08:40 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: what's the correct source package for d-i keyboard selection? cdebconf-keystep? | 08:47 |
| Mithrandir | probably console-setup | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | depending on what the bug is | 08:48 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: the keyboard autodetection in d-i gives me Japanese if I press keys for U.S. | 08:49 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: I'm pretty sure I already filed a bug about it last time, but I'd like to check | 08:51 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:56 |
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| Mithrandir | live ISOs building. | 08:58 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: heya Tollef - the alacarte upload is not urgent | 09:19 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: how's it going? how's your dog? | 09:20 |
| Amaranth | dholbach: it is if you've got the new gnome-menus | 09:20 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: we don't have them yet | 09:20 |
| Amaranth | alright, so we still have a settings.menu file | 09:21 |
| dholbach | yes | 09:21 |
| Amaranth | that was my worst release ever | 09:21 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: he's fun. He keeps doing minor mischief, but he's absolutely lovely. | 09:21 |
| dholbach | come on... we all survived :) | 09:21 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: I'm sure you can see him in Oslo | 09:22 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: sounds like you trained him quite well already - my dog was a pain at that age :) | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: Karianne's a good handler. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | ok, -desktop/-live images up for all arches. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | and distros | 09:22 |
| dholbach | oh... so you're not the dog's handler? :) | 09:23 |
| Mithrandir | no, I just play with him and spoil him. :-) | 09:23 |
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| dholbach | I can imagine that quite well: Tollef's home 4:00 in the morning, dog is scratching on the door and wants to get out, Tollef: "Oh no, it's your dog." | 09:23 |
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| dholbach | ;-) | 09:24 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: today he didn't even wake us with scratching on the door. He's tended to do so before (we just stopped having him in the cage during the night) | 09:24 |
| dholbach | woohoo | 09:25 |
| Mithrandir | and I've certainly been taking him out in the mornings, but he's still Karianne's dog. | 09:25 |
| Mithrandir | publisher running (partman-base and ltsp binaries) | 09:25 |
| carlos | pitti: ready | 09:25 |
| dholbach | right :) | 09:26 |
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| heno | sfllaw: around? | 09:41 |
| dholbach | hey heno | 09:42 |
| === dholbach hugs heno | ||
| === heno hugs dholbach | ||
| dholbach | how's it going? | 09:42 |
| heno | dholbach: dude, we've got 30+ testing volunteers in the forum: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335481&page=4 | 09:43 |
| heno | how do we organise that? :D | 09:43 |
| dholbach | WOAH | 09:43 |
| dholbach | good question :-) | 09:43 |
| heno | SIMON! | 09:43 |
| dholbach | I suppose he's asleep :) | 09:44 |
| heno | It would be nice to get help from some experienced testers in here, MOTUs perhaps | 09:44 |
| dholbach | we usually use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current - but that might confuse people a bit :) | 09:44 |
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| heno | I'm sure the testing quality will vary, but it's important to make a start on this IMO | 09:45 |
| heno | dholbach: we don't want to flood that at this critical time | 09:45 |
| heno | I wrote instructions here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=331123 | 09:46 |
| heno | they will post results in the forum | 09:46 |
| dholbach | right | 09:46 |
| heno | but someone needs to collate from there | 09:46 |
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| Hobbsee | heno: good job for the forum ambassadors, but i dont think they'll be decided in time | 09:51 |
| heno | Hobbsee: yeah, this will be a bit of a trial run I think (Herd 2) | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | heno: they havent seemed to get their group together at all | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | heno: would be a good trial run though | 09:53 |
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| heno | yep | 09:58 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: do you tell us when new live ISOs are ready? | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | 09:22 < Mithrandir> ok, -desktop/-live images up for all arches. | 10:16 |
| Mithrandir | I haven't updated the wiki yet, going to now | 10:16 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: sparc ubuntu-server building | 10:16 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: oops, lost that in the dog conversation; thanks | 10:16 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: thanks | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: your -desktop images are ready. | 10:19 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: and done. | 10:20 |
| somerville32 | Are the Xubuntu images ready? | 10:22 |
| Mithrandir | xubuntu live images are ready, yes. | 10:23 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: the icon-naming-utils and human-icon-theme uploads are not urgent either | 10:23 |
| Mithrandir | I think the alternates are good too, but a test of them would be nice. | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: ^^ that was to you | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: what about libgnome and evince? | 10:25 |
| somerville32 | Mithrandir, thanks :] | 10:25 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: and thanks :) | 10:25 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: libgnome neither - for evince you'd need to ask evince - i didn't read the NEWS file | 10:25 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: ask seb128 of course | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: ok. Since he hasn't prodded me, I blissfully assume they're not needed. I'd really like to avoid a rebuild now. | 10:26 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: nothing is urgent, they are GNOME 2.17.5 late tarball and "nice to have", having them after herd is fine though | 10:26 |
| seb128 | I assumed that you would prefer do no change at this point | 10:27 |
| seb128 | that's why I didn't ask :) | 10:27 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: btw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/unapproved-queue/feisty/ doesn't seem to work | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: yeah, thanks. | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: I'll investigate | 10:28 |
| seb128 | np | 10:28 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: not urgent, but thanks | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: should be fixed in about 30 seconds when my crontab runs. | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | (I shuffled my dotfiles on rookery around, something which meant that ~/dotfiles/ssh got g+w which makes ssh exceedingly unhappy) | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: there. | 10:30 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: rock | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | thanks for noticing. | 10:30 |
| somerville32 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/ doesn't seem to exist. Where are the Xubuntu herds being placed? | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: in that directory. IIRC, nobody cared to test the xubuntu herd 1 images | 10:32 |
| somerville32 | There were individuals - I remember them actually doing it in x-devel | 10:33 |
| somerville32 | They must have have just used a daily build | 10:33 |
| somerville32 | Mithrandir: Will we be getting it for this herd? | 10:34 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: if somebody tests it and tells me that it works, yes. | 10:37 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: I just don't want to release images I have no idea if works or not. :-) | 10:38 |
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| somerville32 | Of course :] | 10:38 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: fresh images for ya | 10:39 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i fear that wont help me ... | 10:39 |
| ogra | cjwatson, ping ... | 10:39 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: why not? | 10:40 |
| somerville32 | Mithrandir: So, just test daily*/current/ and if all is good then you'll release herd 2? | 10:40 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: yes. | 10:40 |
| ogra | well, i suddenly have the -generic kernel on my i386 install iso ... that doesnt work | 10:40 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: that's a terrible error description. | 10:41 |
| ogra | whn i discussed it with colin a while back he told me for i386 alternate that wouldnt change | 10:41 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: and if stuff's broken | 10:41 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: and if stuff's broken, we fix and respin | 10:41 |
| somerville32 | Awesome. | 10:41 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ltsp needs the i386 kernel ... | 10:41 |
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| somerville32 | Whos is Henrik? | 10:43 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: heno | 10:44 |
| ivoks | a king | 10:44 |
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| somerville32 | heno: Could you please edit your post to include Xubuntu? | 10:44 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: well, you have * Kernel-Version: 2.6.19-7-generic | 10:45 |
| Mithrandir | hmm | 10:45 |
| Mithrandir | that checkout must be ancient | 10:45 |
| === Mithrandir updates | ||
| ogra | where are ou looking at ? | 10:45 |
| ogra | *you | 10:45 |
| ogra | my i386 iso includes 2.6.20 here | 10:45 |
| === ogra checks again ... | ||
| Mithrandir | you're using 2.6.20-5-generic in your installer seed. | 10:46 |
| Mithrandir | is that what you want? | 10:46 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, that's probably just the udebs | 10:46 |
| ogra | well, i#d love to but i dont have the space for two kernels | 10:46 |
| ogra | so i fear the server has to run -386 as well ... | 10:46 |
| ogra | read: no, thats not what i want under the current circumstances .... | 10:48 |
| Mithrandir | that'd require another d-i, I think. | 10:49 |
| Mithrandir | or another d-i flavour. | 10:50 |
| cjwatson | jdong: ubiquity on existing filesystem> you'd have to hack /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/validation.py to remove the relevant check | 10:50 |
| cjwatson | jdong: actually, not sure if that'd work if it was already mounted; it might still hate you without further hacking | 10:51 |
| pitti | ogra: out of curiosity, why are all other kernels named -generic, and the ltsp one i386? | 10:51 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: because ltsp needs to run on hardware from the last ice age, so -generic won't work. | 10:51 |
| ogra | pitti, the i386 one has 486 compatibility (at least it used to have that) | 10:51 |
| pitti | oh, ouch | 10:52 |
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| ogra | AMD Geode CPUs are *not* from the last iceage ! ;) | 10:52 |
| ogra | neither are most of these VIA thingies :) | 10:52 |
| cjwatson | pitti: it's on keymapper | 10:52 |
| === pitti is this --><-- close to finish amd64 alternate testing and got a good deal into ppc/alternate testing -- so do we need new alternates? | ||
| pitti | cjwatson: thanks, will check bug there | 10:53 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: well, close enough. :-) | 10:53 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: I'd hope not, no. | 10:53 |
| ogra | cjwatson, will a seed change suffice or does that need a d-i hack as well ? | 10:54 |
| cjwatson | ogra: I mailed ubuntu-devel announcing the switch to -generic; I suggest you catch up on that | 10:54 |
| cjwatson | ogra: are you *sure* the -generic kernel doesn't work on your hardware? | 10:55 |
| ogra | cjwatson, we dicussed that after your mail, remember ? | 10:55 |
| ogra | no, i'm not | 10:55 |
| cjwatson | why not try? | 10:55 |
| ogra | well, i can ... | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | we do have a d-i flavour that does 386, but only for netboot at present | 10:56 |
| ogra | BenC, already up ? | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | it seems unlikely at this time | 10:56 |
| ogra | cjwatson, i'd ike to hear soething from a kernel guy about that | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | I think it will be considerably quicker for you to try it yourself than to wait for Ben to wake up | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | ogra: a seed change will not suffice; it would need extensive changes | 10:57 |
| cjwatson | both d-i and debian-cd | 10:57 |
| cjwatson | so I'd much prefer that if possible -generic be made to work | 10:58 |
| ogra | the 386 kernel sets CONFIG_M486=y | 10:58 |
| ogra | the generic one has CONFIG_M586 instead | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | ogra: -generic kernels don't work on via cpu's.. -386 kernels do | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | ogra: you say you don't have space for the -386 kernel, but your i386 CD is at 682MB | 10:59 |
| ogra | yeah, just checking that ... | 10:59 |
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| ogra | hmm ... | 11:00 |
| cjwatson | hmm, but linux-image-2.6.20-5-386 is 22MB | 11:00 |
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| cjwatson | I assume you haven't tested any of your daily builds for the last month, if you only noticed it now ... | 11:03 |
| ogra | i only tested ltsp chroot builds ... | 11:03 |
| ogra | no isos | 11:03 |
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| ogra | ... and indeed am bitten by the two only bugs i get with the isos ... | 11:04 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: please commit your partman-base changes to bzr | 11:04 |
| ogra | cjwatson, you were right with your guess for the debconf setting to be at fault btw ... | 11:04 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I saw your comment | 11:05 |
| ogra | (indeed) | 11:05 |
| ogra | :) | 11:05 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: oh.. sure.. what branch is it? | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: it's listed on BzrMaintainedPackages | 11:05 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: roger | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I suspect the only way to fix ogra's issue is to switch the Edubuntu install CDs back to the 386 kernel, which requires at least a d-i upload to create a cdrom/386 flavour, debian-cd hacking to use it, and seed changes | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: what's your opinion? | 11:06 |
| ogra | cjwatson, well, after the second CD is split out (which i plan to do durng the sprint) i will have space for two kernels ... | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | so since it will be solved otherwise for feisty, there's also the option of not releasing the i386 Edubuntu install CD with this milestone | 11:07 |
| ogra | there is just not much i can drop at the moment | 11:08 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: release-note it or drop the alternate edubuntu CD. | 11:08 |
| ogra | well, then i wont get much testing, i386 is the most intresting arch ... | 11:08 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ^^ your call? | 11:08 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i'm trying to find something i can drop | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | you could release note it as the LTSP server option not working | 11:09 |
| ogra | well | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: yes, that's what I meant. | 11:09 |
| ogra | lets just switch ltsp to -generic for now ... | 11:09 |
| ogra | and revert that once i have sace for the kernel ... even though that means i might have some installs out there that might not boot | 11:10 |
| ogra | s/sace/space/ | 11:10 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ok, your choice. When can you have it uploaded? | 11:10 |
| ogra | five minutes ... i need to change a line in ltsp | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | needs a release note anyway of course since it's a regression on some hardware | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: (partman-base change as committed upstream looks fine to me ...) | 11:11 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: it's the same commit.. but it was urgent and couldn't really wait a sync | 11:11 |
| fabbione | otherwise Niagara is doomed | 11:12 |
| gicmo | seb128: hey hey | 11:12 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: commited in bzr... Committed revision 35. | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | ta | 11:13 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: sorry i didn't notice the branch before | 11:13 |
| === fabbione will pay more attention | ||
| seb128 | gicmo: hey! | 11:13 |
| seb128 | gicmo: Alter! | 11:17 |
| gicmo | ALTER | 11:17 |
| seb128 | :) | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: most of the installer's in bzr now, so it's worth checking by default | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | (as opposed to some months ago when you probably had a <50% chance) | 11:17 |
| dholbach | heno: I'll push ~dholbach/bughelper/bughelper.dev to ~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main - ok? | 11:17 |
| pitti | hmm, expert install with LILO doesn't boot | 11:17 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ltsp 0.131 uploaded | 11:17 |
| dholbach | heno: (no changes since my last mails) | 11:17 |
| fabbione | crap | 11:18 |
| fabbione | i forgot a line change in os-prober | 11:18 |
| fabbione | oh well | 11:18 |
| fabbione | it can wait | 11:18 |
| fabbione | screw solaris :) | 11:18 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: yeps.. thanks but i hope these to be the last installer hacks i need to do for a while :) | 11:18 |
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| cjwatson | grr, ubiquity new partitioner is broken as uploaded | 11:21 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: are you going to upload a new ubiquity? | 11:22 |
| fabbione | if so can i slam an os-prober change too? | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | I wasn't planning to, unless Mithrandir wants it | 11:22 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:23 |
| fabbione | it's not important or urgent for me.. just nice to have | 11:23 |
| cjwatson | you can commit the os-prober change to bzr though ;-) | 11:23 |
| fabbione | i already did | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: we're not at a "nice to have" stage now, so no. | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: uh, how broken? | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: accepted; publisher running | 11:23 |
| ogra | thanks ! | 11:24 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: yup.. no problem at all. i would have just abused the same publisher run for ubiquity :) | 11:24 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: edit dialog breaks. --new-partitioner isn't the default yet though | 11:24 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ok, not something we need to have fixed then. | 11:25 |
| cjwatson | right | 11:25 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: you're testing the -live images, right? | 11:27 |
| ogra | just doing that now, yes | 11:27 |
| poningru | working on herd2 release notes | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | poningru: yay, great. | 11:27 |
| poningru | need some help | 11:27 |
| poningru | what was added etc. | 11:28 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2 | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | poningru: read the -changes list from herd 1. | 11:28 |
| seb128 | poningru: GNOME 2.17.5 | 11:28 |
| poningru | wtf hehe dont know how that became 2.17.4 | 11:29 |
| seb128 | :) | 11:29 |
| seb128 | poningru: I can have a look and pin-point some of the nice change they made for 2.17.5 if you want | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: i386 is somewhat unhappy in hw-detect since it's trying to modprobe i82365 about five hundred zillion times, but it continues after a little while. | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: do you have a bug about that or do you want it filed? | 11:30 |
| poningru | seb128: that would be greatly appreciated :) | 11:30 |
| poningru | thank you | 11:30 |
| seb128 | poningru: np, I'm just rebooting to try something and I'll have a look to that next | 11:30 |
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| sivang | is there a quick way to know which class an instance is made of in python ? I just want to know the immediate one and not further ancestors | 11:36 |
| sivang | anyone idea? | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | >>> f = file("/etc/passwd") | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | >>> type(f) | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | <type 'file'> | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | >>> f.__class__ | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | <type 'file'> | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | any of those? | 11:37 |
| iwj | __class__ is TRT I think.>>> a.__class__ | 11:38 |
| iwj | <class __main__.Fred at 0xb7dbfdac> | 11:38 |
| iwj | >>> a.__class__ == Fred | 11:38 |
| iwj | True | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: yeah, looks like it. | 11:38 |
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| sivang | iwj: yep, exactly what I was looking for , thank you! | 11:40 |
| sivang | Mithrandir: thanks as well :) | 11:40 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: IF and only IF we need to rebuild alternate/server iso, please allow silo-installer in. Or as soon as you release.. at least netinstall's will not fart on 3rd reboot | 11:42 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: it was wrong parsing of an OBP value (boot-device) and it was set with an insane useless string | 11:43 |
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| doko | sivang: isinstance(f, file) | 11:47 |
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| heno | dholbach: ok, please do | 11:51 |
| sivang | doko: I wanted actually to have a string of the class name, which class_name = (str(self.__class__)).split(".")[1] does beautifully :) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | heno: done... i'll hopefully start soon on implementing the xml stuff | 11:52 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: if you have a minute, can you please have a quick look at bug 78777 and tell me whether you might need any more info (before I wipe the install)? | 11:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78777 in debian-installer "amd64/expert install fails to boot (no root fs)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78777 | 11:54 |
| fabbione | pitti: did you use LVM or raid? | 11:55 |
| pitti | fabbione: no | 11:55 |
| sivang | doko: but thanks anyway | 11:55 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok | 11:55 |
| pitti | argh, ubiquity fails on 'wipe entire disk' on both of my boxes | 11:56 |
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| ogra | pitti: could we hide /target from teh desktop while ubiquity installs ? | 11:59 |
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| pitti | ogra: please file a bug against gnome-vfs2 and assign it to me; I'll have a look | 12:00 |
| ogra | great ... | 12:00 |
| pitti | but it would be an ugly hack | 12:00 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:00 |
| ogra | i dont think its critical ... but its a bit ugly ... | 12:00 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: what's the bug for your wipe disk? | 12:00 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: have you had lvm on the disk before? | 12:01 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: no lvm, 'assert self.extra_choice is not None | 12:01 |
| seb128 | poningru: | 12:01 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: on both ppc/real hardware and amd64/vmware | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - control-center: Make volume up/down keys affect default channel of the applet | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - gedit: detect external file modifications | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - gnome-system-tools: time-admin redesigned GUI | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - vino: display a notification bubble on connection | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - epiphany-browser: adblock manager UI | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - gnome-media: add mp3 profile and make profiles being listed only if the elements for them are available | 12:01 |
| seb128 | - gnome-utils: Add an "interactive mode" to gnome-screenshot | 12:01 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: :-( | 12:01 |
| poningru | ooh grazi | 12:01 |
| seb128 | sorry for the flood | 12:01 |
| seb128 | poningru: some of changes from GNOME 2.17.5 | 12:01 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: ok, I'm through with amd64 desktop+alternate, although resizing was never offered to me | 12:06 |
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| lifeless | gnight | 12:28 |
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| somerville32 | Would it be right to say that if a package is in Main, then it supported officially by Canonical? | 12:31 |
| somerville32 | *it is | 12:31 |
| fabbione | somerville32: s/by Canonical// | 12:31 |
| fabbione | it's supported by Ubuntu | 12:31 |
| somerville32 | Right | 12:32 |
| fabbione | some developers for main are not employed by Canonical | 12:32 |
| fabbione | and still provide support for their pkgs | 12:32 |
| somerville32 | So it would be ludicrous to suggest that Xubuntu isn't supported by the core-dev team since all of Xubuntu's packages are in main? | 12:32 |
| fabbione | what's the context? | 12:33 |
| somerville32 | "Yes, of course feel free to test Xubuntu as well (or any other derivative). The core dev team has traditionally not focused on testing it because we don't officially support it." | 12:33 |
| fabbione | well the xubuntu main developer is a core-dev last time i checked... | 12:34 |
| somerville32 | Right | 12:34 |
| somerville32 | There are 2-3 core-devs who actively contribute to Xubuntu | 12:34 |
| fabbione | and Canonical doesn't support xubuntu is slightly different | 12:34 |
| fabbione | clearly if i get a bug for the kernel or glibc from xubuntu, it's still a bug | 12:35 |
| fabbione | but if i get assigned a bug for xfce.. well that's Xubuntu devel business | 12:35 |
| fabbione | me as fabbione as part of core-dev | 12:35 |
| fabbione | if you get the point | 12:35 |
| somerville32 | So, Canonical doesn't "support" Xubuntu? | 12:36 |
| somerville32 | Not referring to the fact that they build our ISOs, host our website, etc. | 12:36 |
| fabbione | somerville32: no Canonical doesn't support Xubuntu directly last time i checked. | 12:38 |
| fabbione | tho if things did change while i was in vac.. well | 12:38 |
| somerville32 | They do support us directly though | 12:38 |
| somerville32 | They build our ISOs, they host our website, etc. | 12:38 |
| fabbione | it's 2 different kind of support we are talking about | 12:38 |
| somerville32 | Right | 12:38 |
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| somerville32 | They don't "sell" support | 12:39 |
| somerville32 | Or not yet atleast? | 12:39 |
| fabbione | C. doesn't. | 12:39 |
| mvo | is there something like sh -x for perl? | 12:39 |
| fabbione | mvo: you wish :P | 12:40 |
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| pitti | mvo: perl gets compiled, would be hard to do | 12:40 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, edubuntu live is fine on all arches | 12:41 |
| fabbione | mvo: printf is your best friend | 12:41 |
| heno | somerville32: see my answer here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1997725 | 12:41 |
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| Mithrandir | mvo: PERLDB_OPTS="AutoTrace NonStop" and perl -d | 12:43 |
| pitti | oh, neat | 12:43 |
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| mvo | Mithrandir: thanks! | 12:45 |
| carlos | pitti: did you check whether latest langpack export is correct? | 12:48 |
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| pitti | carlos: has it finished? | 12:49 |
| carlos | pitti: yeah, I told you it around 3 hours ago... | 12:50 |
| pitti | carlos: oh, sorry | 12:50 |
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| carlos | pitti: don't worry | 12:50 |
| pitti | carlos: yup, looks good | 12:52 |
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| carlos | pitti: we got around 100 new files | 12:52 |
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| somerville32 | heno, I am reading the thread you linked to. It appears several people out of the handful of people who replied have volunteered already to test Xubuntu. | 12:54 |
| heno | somerville32: yep, thanks for the heads up. It's a community-based testing project and so I will adjust it accordingly | 12:55 |
| heno | happy testing! :) | 12:55 |
| somerville32 | Thanks ;] | 12:55 |
| somerville32 | heno: oh wow! | 12:56 |
| somerville32 | heno: You got quite the response for not including Xubuntu, lol | 12:56 |
| heno | yep, more Xubuntu testing seems to be the first measurable success of the forum-based testing setup ;) | 12:57 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: feel free to file; I suspect it's somewhere between hw-detect and pcmciautils. Was this a machine with PCMCIA hardware? | 01:05 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: no, it's an amd64 desktop machine. | 01:05 |
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| Mithrandir | (but i386 alternate installer) | 01:05 |
| Mithrandir | file against hw-detect? | 01:06 |
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| cjwatson | sivang: self.__class__.__name__ woould be better I'd think | 01:06 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: yeah | 01:07 |
| cjwatson | pitti: is there a bug about the broken ubiquity erase-disk bit? | 01:07 |
| cjwatson | that seems like potential respin fodder | 01:08 |
| cjwatson | pitti: 78777 sounds like the initrd wasn't set properly? | 01:09 |
| cjwatson | pitti: fishing out /etc/lilo.conf might be useful | 01:09 |
| sivang | cjwatson: hmm, right, will probably be less error prone althought them both achive the same | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: have you respun your alternate CDs or should I? | 01:12 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i dont see 0.131 in the archive yet | 01:13 |
| ogra | but feel free once its there | 01:14 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: oh, point, I ran the buildd sequencer, not the publisher. Running now, I'll spin i386 CDs for you when it's there | 01:17 |
| ogra | oki | 01:17 |
| pitti | cjwatson: yes, I filed a bug and linked it from Testing/Current/Ubuntu | 01:18 |
| pitti | cjwatson: bug 78778 | 01:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78778 in ubiquity "ubiquity crash on 'use entire disk'" [High,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78778 | 01:19 |
| cjwatson | just found it, thanks | 01:19 |
| pitti | cjwatson: for 78777, lilo.conf looked okay; re-running update-initramfs and lilo didn't help | 01:19 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I'll attach the lilo.conf | 01:19 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: 78778> do you recall what the autopartitioning page looked like? were there any choices labelled with disk names? | 01:21 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I *think* not | 01:21 |
| pitti | cjwatson: if you want I reattempt the whole install again and do a screenshot | 01:21 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I can also try installing grub in d-i (install-grub errored out in rescue system since it didn't find the hd) | 01:22 |
| cjwatson | pitti: if you wouldn't mind (screenshot) - I can't reproduce it here | 01:22 |
| cjwatson | your partman log indicates finding disks | 01:22 |
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| cjwatson | my vmware instance is currently set up with two disks to stress the partitioner a bit more. I wonder if it breaks with one disk ... | 01:24 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: lilo.conf attached | 01:26 |
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| Mithrandir | i386 ubiquity seems to work so far for me at least, it's at copying files. | 01:27 |
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| Mithrandir | (single disk) | 01:28 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: for your ubiquity crash, could you start it using 'ubiquity --debug' from a terminal and get me /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/debug? | 01:31 |
| cjwatson | pitti: usual caveat: don't use a valuable password | 01:31 |
| pitti | yes, of course | 01:31 |
| cjwatson | like Mithrandir, I can't reproduce it here | 01:31 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: lilo> does an /initrd.img exist? | 01:34 |
| cjwatson | pitti: or is it /boot/initrd.img? | 01:34 |
| pitti | cjwatson: it was correct IIRC, can check in a few seconds | 01:35 |
| pitti | cjwatson: confirmed, correct symlink existed | 01:36 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: I attached the screenshot of the current partitioner (new installation attempt); that's the shot you want? | 01:39 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: to which bug? | 01:40 |
| pitti | cjwatson: 78777 (expert install boot failure) | 01:40 |
| pitti | oh, erm, sorry | 01:40 |
| pitti | you wanted the screenshot for 78777 | 01:40 |
| pitti | nevermind then | 01:40 |
| cjwatson | pitti: oh, I'm sorry, I meant for 78778 | 01:40 |
| cjwatson | although the debug files should be sufficient there anyway | 01:41 |
| pitti | ok, so I did the screenshot for the expert install boot failure | 01:41 |
| pitti | ok, will do a shot from that | 01:41 |
| cjwatson | the screenshot there is primarily for interest's sake, but it might be useful | 01:42 |
| cjwatson | if you ever see "Guided - use entire disk" without disk choices below it, that's a bug | 01:42 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ubiquity blows up when trying to install the langpacks though. | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: assert cache._depcache.BrokenCount == 0 | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | (Norwegian locale) | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | (nb_NO.UTF-8) | 01:44 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, hmm, worked for me (german) | 01:44 |
| ogra | hmm, but why do i get a fsck on a freshly installed partition ? | 01:45 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, you mean that screen; it had exactly one subitem with my primary HD | 01:45 |
| pitti | cjwatson: and both 'guided, entire' and that disk was selected (the radio buttons) | 01:45 |
| ogra | oh, great and it even failed ... | 01:46 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I'd love to know why that is. I have a zillion reports about it and have never seen it. | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | I'll see if I can reproduce | 01:47 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: what can I give you to help you debug it? ubiquity --debug and the log? | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: ok, in that case I just need the debug files | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I have lots of logs for it, and --debug probably won't help much - I'll see if nb_NO.UTF-8 is enough to reproduce it | 01:48 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, edubuntu ppc install is fine (apart from the fsck on first boot) | 01:49 |
| cjwatson | whoa, what the hell, weird erase-disk failure | 01:49 |
| incon | cairo on feisty is not built with glitz support? will this happen in this release | 01:50 |
| cjwatson | hald: mounted /dev/hda1 on behalf of uid 0 | 01:50 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: all three desktop kubuntu CDs are good to go | 01:50 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: mount-all-partitions race bug? | 01:50 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: yay! | 01:50 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I think it must be. What's the spec name? | 01:51 |
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| cjwatson | mount-all-local-filesystems | 01:51 |
| cjwatson | pitti: how do I suppress that? | 01:51 |
| pitti | oh, argh | 01:52 |
| pitti | cjwatson: quick&dirty way is to kill gnome-volume-manager | 01:52 |
| cjwatson | pitti: is there a gconf key? I'm already setting several | 01:53 |
| cjwatson | /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives and /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media | 01:53 |
| pitti | cjwatson: hm, if g-v-m doesn't respect that, that looks like a feisty regression | 01:54 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: (mount-all-local-filesystems didn't change anything in g-v-m) | 01:54 |
| cjwatson | unless I'm setting them wrongly | 01:54 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: automount_drives and automount_media are both set here, do you unset and then reset them? | 01:55 |
| sivang | I don't suppose anybody knows a ready made auto completion implemetation that can be used in a python program? | 01:56 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, 0.131 is done ... | 01:56 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: so is your install iso. | 01:57 |
| ogra | oh, wow, thanks | 01:57 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I attached syslog, debug, and screenshot to bug 78778 | 01:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78778 in ubiquity "ubiquity crash on 'use entire disk'" [High,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78778 | 01:58 |
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| heno | cjwatson: can you confirm bug 78722 ? Would that be considered a blocker? It's confirmed by a forum tester as well now | 02:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78722 in ubiquity "Feisty 20070110 -- Grub fails to list old kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78722 | 02:04 |
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| Riddell | pitti: should ssh advertise itself as an avahi service by default? | 02:07 |
| siretart | Riddell: no. you'll have to install a .service file by hand | 02:10 |
| Riddell | siretart: what do I need to do besides `sudo cp /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon/examples/ssh.service /etc/avahi/services/`? | 02:12 |
| cjwatson | heno: it's not a blocker, but should be investigated | 02:12 |
| heno | cjwatson: ok, so should the test be marked as PASS? | 02:13 |
| cjwatson | heno: pass with note, yes | 02:15 |
| Riddell | siretart: ooh, that works | 02:15 |
| cjwatson | I think, anyway | 02:15 |
| Riddell | siretart: but my question is if we should be doing that by default | 02:15 |
| cjwatson | sorry, all sorts of shit is exploding in my face and I'm not entirely on top of everything | 02:15 |
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| francalier | any news on packaging microsoft bob for feisty?? | 02:16 |
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| somerville32 | francalier, For sure. We've already got it packaged, approved, uploaded, added to the seeds, and ready to roll by default. | 02:16 |
| francalier | will there be a non-free info popup? | 02:17 |
| poningru | ... | 02:18 |
| siretart | Riddell: you'll have to convince cjwatson of that, because he maintains ssh ;) | 02:18 |
| somerville32 | francalier, No. Microsoft gave us a big payoff to keep the fact that bob is proprietary a big secret. | 02:19 |
| thom | i really, really hope that we don't do ssh mdns advertising by default | 02:19 |
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| Mithrandir | thom: it'd be against the network policy. What we allow is listening and using those services by default. | 02:21 |
| cjwatson | 'Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/root/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0' | 02:23 |
| cjwatson | I think that's the problem - should be /home/ubuntu/.gconf | 02:23 |
| Mithrandir | ah, probably. | 02:23 |
| cjwatson | investigating a fix now | 02:23 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: r1800 in ubiquity trunk | 02:31 |
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| cjwatson | I'll see if the BrokenPackages thing shows up here | 02:32 |
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| pitti | re | 02:34 |
| pitti | Riddell: TBH I'd rather not do that | 02:35 |
| Riddell | pitti: why not? it's useful to know if I can sftp into a machine | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: reproduced your problem | 02:37 |
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| pitti | Riddell: well, yeah, it's only for the local network, so it's not a general invitation to 'DoS me' (happened on my colo server several times) | 02:37 |
| Riddell | pitti: my thinking is that avahi is to make it easy to find things, but if they're not advertised by default there's not much point | 02:39 |
| pitti | true | 02:39 |
| pitti | Riddell: what's necessary to enable that? | 02:39 |
| Riddell | pitti: sudo cp /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon/examples/ssh.service /etc/avahi/services/ | 02:40 |
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| Riddell | pitti: but that's ssh, it's sftp that's important to advertise for the GUI apps | 02:40 |
| pitti | Riddell: ah, I thought sshd could advertise itself or so | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | it could be taught to, I guess. | 02:41 |
| Riddell | pitti: doesn't do on my candidate herd 2 installs | 02:41 |
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| pitti | + eth0 IPv4 Remote Terminal on donald SSH Fernzugriff local | 02:41 |
| pitti | woo :) | 02:41 |
| pitti | Riddell: ok, if cjwatson is fine with it, we should just ship that file in openssh-server, AFAICS | 02:42 |
| \sh | I don't think that is wise to enable ssh for avahi... | 02:44 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: I'm not overly keen simply because so many of my users are going to throw a massive wobbly about it | 02:45 |
| pitti | my main concern is DoS invitation as well, but then again, in the .local range it's easy enough to do a portscan | 02:45 |
| cjwatson | and sftp is not useful to advertise in quite the same way as, say, a printer, simply because you generally cannot use sftp without authentication | 02:45 |
| cjwatson | avahi seems massively more useful for unauthenticated services than authenticated ones | 02:46 |
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| cjwatson | if somebody's creating an account for you, telling you what host they are is the least of their problems ... | 02:46 |
| Riddell | I use it all the time for authenticated ones, you still want to connect to local authenticated services | 02:46 |
| cjwatson | you can use a hostname for that | 02:46 |
| cjwatson | I just see it as a massively niche case, I'm afraid | 02:46 |
| cjwatson | also sshing to something whose hostname repeatedly changes means lots and lots of host key confirmation prompts, so I'm not keen on encouraging that configuration | 02:48 |
| cjwatson | hostname> or IP address | 02:48 |
| cjwatson | simply because people treat the host key prompt too lightly as it is | 02:48 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: your patch seems to have fixed the mounting problem for me. | 02:51 |
| Riddell | all seems like quite a geeky point of view, "how do I get that file off your computer", "type sftp://foo.local/home/me into the file browser" compared to "go to network and browse for foo" | 02:53 |
| Riddell | \sh, thom: what's your rationales against it? | 02:54 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: the host key prompt is the only defence against certain security problems | 02:54 |
| cjwatson | I don't care whether it appears geeky or not; it's important | 02:54 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: if people aren't willing to deal with a hostname or an IP address, it seems unlikely that they will be willing to deal with the host key prompt ... | 02:55 |
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| cjwatson | I'd rather encourage people to share files without authentication than encourage them to share files with broken authentication | 02:56 |
| pitti | (yay gnome-user-share) | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: ok, the translation of the BrokenPackages error is: | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | language-support-nb: Depends: mozilla-firefox-locale-nb-no but it is not installable | 02:57 |
| cjwatson | now the question is why ubiquity couldn't deal with that | 02:58 |
| siretart | seb128: I've noticed that in the past time, you've reassigned many bugs filed against totem to xine-lib, which is great. When reassinging, could you please ask the submitter to include a reference to a file causing this bug? | 02:58 |
| siretart | in future, that is | 02:58 |
| seb128 | siretart: ok, will do | 02:58 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: I'm pretty sure in KDE if the fingerprint fails then you can't connect, if it still allows it in gnome I'm sure seb128 would be happy to fix it :) | 02:58 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: how were you planning to get people to check the fingerprint? | 02:59 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: you know it has to be checked manually for strong security, right? | 02:59 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: it pops up with a message when it connects to a computer for the first time, just like on the command line | 03:00 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: deskbar-applet also not urgent | 03:00 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: sure, and then you have to check that with the owner of the computer | 03:00 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: so given that the owner has to read out the host key fingerprint anyway, reading out the hostname/IP-address (which is considerably shorter) or a URL is not a problem, IMO | 03:01 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I'm tempted to release-note it and just get the automount problem in. | 03:01 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: right, I see your issue then, thanks | 03:02 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: it's not that I'm intrinsically against advertising ssh via avahi - I don't think it causes a problem per se - but I do think that managing the perception of things in such a way as not to weaken ssh's security in practice by (effectively) social engineering of our users is a more difficult problem that it appears at first | 03:03 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: can I have ten minutes? I feel I'm quite close | 03:03 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: also pitti's problem is still outstanding and I suspect affects only certain languages; try reproducing it by installing in German? | 03:03 |
| cjwatson | I'm guessing it's a str vs. unicode issue | 03:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I try with English | 03:04 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ok, I want to go home now anyway, so you have about half an hour. I'll continue testing when I get home. | 03:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: right, with English it doesn't crash; noted so in the bug | 03:09 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: fixed, I think - just need to test | 03:19 |
| cjwatson | pitti: reproduced | 03:19 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: fixed | 03:27 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: tell me when it's the queue? | 03:28 |
| pitti | cjwatson: \o/ | 03:28 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: will do - testing the Norwegian fix now | 03:29 |
| Mithrandir | yay | 03:31 |
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| jdong | when would be the next time the archive deities decide to process backports? | 03:33 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, edubuntu all arches, all flavors are fine | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | jdong: whenever a crate of free time comes flying down from the heavens. | 03:36 |
| Mithrandir | jdong: sorry, it hasn't been a priority lately, I've concentrated on cleaning out NEW, and that's just about done, once that's cleared again, I'll do syncs and backports. | 03:36 |
| jdong | ok, that's not a problem, we all have priorities :) | 03:37 |
| Lathiat | cjwatson, \sh, Riddell: i probably wouldnt advertise ssh by default | 03:37 |
| Lathiat | cjwatson, \sh, Riddell: i think advertisements should be something that is user confirmed, e.g. "Share my music" | 03:38 |
| jdong | "secure file sharing" :) | 03:38 |
| cjwatson | cute, that fix has the useful effect that it will install as much of language-support-$LL as it can even if some of it is broken | 03:38 |
| \sh | Lathiat: that's what I said...I don't think advertising ssh is a good thing...I mean, normally I don't have openssh-server installed on my desktop box | 03:39 |
| Lathiat | \sh: certainly if you *did* advertise it, you would do it when ssh is installed and nto avahi | 03:39 |
| poningru | please excuse the intrusion but quick question I dont understand whats the big deal about about advertizing ssh, someone can just nmap on the lan and picks it up so... | 03:41 |
| jdong | poningru: I think it's more of a "why does Joe need to know this?" kind of thing | 03:41 |
| jdong | same reason why DT_GNU_HASH hasn't been advertised in Kubuntu Feisty yet | 03:42 |
| jdong | though it offers a very noticeable performance boost | 03:42 |
| \sh | poningru: plain desktop users don't know what nmap is | 03:42 |
| Lathiat | plain desktop users arent hackers | 03:42 |
| poningru | oh so this discussion wasnt from a security standpoint but UE? | 03:42 |
| cjwatson | poningru: at the intersection of the two | 03:43 |
| Lathiat | i mean it doesnt really expose alot of info | 03:43 |
| Lathiat | that isnt otherwise relatively easily findable | 03:43 |
| Lathiat | but there is a certain security point to avahi | 03:43 |
| Lathiat | its unsecurity through unobscurity | 03:43 |
| cjwatson | poningru: like I say, advertising ssh over avahi is not by itself a security problem IMO, but it does not help the user experience if you are actually trying to maintain security | 03:43 |
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| poningru | hmm ic | 03:44 |
| Lathiat | i also think things shouldnt be advertised because you just installed a package | 03:44 |
| Lathiat | i think it should be a case of "click share my music", etc | 03:44 |
| Lathiat | *click* i want to host a game | 03:44 |
| Mithrandir | Lathiat: while you're certainly allowed that opinion, publishing by default for packages which aren't installed by default is ok wrt our network policy. | 03:45 |
| jdong | *click* hey look, free music! oh wait nvm | 03:46 |
| Lathiat | Mithrandir: right, true | 03:46 |
| Lathiat | i said that was an opinion :) | 03:46 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 03:46 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:48 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: in the queue now | 03:59 |
| ogra_ | heno, where are all my edubuntu testing procedures from the links section on Testing/Current gone ? | 04:01 |
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| dholbach | """ | 04:02 |
| dholbach | Edubuntu | 04:02 |
| dholbach | * | 04:02 |
| dholbach | See Testing/Current/Edubuntu for the latest test candidates and test results. | 04:02 |
| dholbach | """ | 04:02 |
| dholbach | ogra_: ^ | 04:03 |
| dholbach | at the top, bold letters :-) | 04:03 |
| ogra_ | dholbach, yes and that page doent have any of the ltsp testing advises anymore | 04:03 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: Xubuntu desktop amd64 & i386 are OK (I can't test the ppc isos) | 04:03 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: amd64 alternate is ok too, testing i386 now | 04:04 |
| ogra_ | th eold page had a bunch of steps you have to test on edubuntu (actually the only stuff i'm intrested in after testers know they can boot and the installer runs generally) | 04:04 |
| ogra_ | ahh, found it ... heno nvm ... found that you moved it to Testing/Short | 04:05 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: yay. | 04:05 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: are anybody else testing the ppc ones? | 04:06 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: I don't think so | 04:07 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: did you roll out any new server images since 2007011 ? | 04:14 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: no | 04:15 |
| fabbione | ok thanks | 04:15 |
| fabbione | are we going to roll out more images today? | 04:15 |
| fabbione | i need to coordinate with -certification | 04:15 |
| Mithrandir | yes, we are. | 04:16 |
| Mithrandir | we need new ubuntu -desktop images | 04:16 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: ok thanks | 04:18 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: at least we can be glad that alternates are ok; they are such a pain to test... | 04:27 |
| heno | ogra_: sorry did I loose something in the transition? There was a lot of duplicate stuff floating around | 04:27 |
| ogra_ | heno, no, it just took me a bit to find it, its all fine, thanks for the work | 04:28 |
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| kevin | Greetings, I am trying to upgrade edubuntu 6.06 to 6.10. When I run gksu "update-manager -c" it says "your system is up to date" with no upgrade message available. I have the latest version of Update Manager and have dapper-updates repositories in my sources.list. I asked about this on #ubuntu and #edubuntu. No one seems to know. Someone then directed me to this channel. Is it a bug? | 04:34 |
| ogra_ | mvo_, ^^^ any idea ? | 04:35 |
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| mvo_ | kevin: lets talk about it in #ubuntu | 04:40 |
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| azeem | elmo: James, I hope you're not involved in this: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/10/meth_smuggled_in_elm.html | 04:47 |
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| kevin | mov_, going there now, had to step out for a couple minutes | 04:56 |
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| gpocentek | grr, xubuntu alternate can't detect network harware (on i386) | 05:09 |
| gpocentek | hardware* | 05:09 |
| gpocentek | but it work just fine with the amd iso | 05:10 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: sure it's not just very, very slow? | 05:10 |
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| gpocentek | Mithrandir: after a while, it just turns to a blue screen and does nothing | 05:10 |
| gpocentek | I've waited several minutes | 05:10 |
| brentcool | wow you got a bsod | 05:11 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: Alt-F2 enter ps ax ; does it seem to be modprobing? | 05:11 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: let me restart the whole thing to see this | 05:12 |
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| gpocentek | Mithrandir: it's modprobing during the hardware detection, I'm waiting the blue screen now | 05:18 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: please wait, it'll probably take a couple of minutes (at least it did for me) | 05:19 |
| gpocentek | ok | 05:19 |
| ogra | hmm, thats weird, why didnt i see anything similar in edubuntu ... Riddell did you ? ^^^ | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: seems to be hardware related. | 05:21 |
| Riddell | ogra: network is working fine on all three architectures | 05:21 |
| gpocentek | ah, blue screen, it's still modprobing and ethdetecting | 05:21 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ah ... right | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: ok, so you're seeing the same as me. Go and drink a cup of coffee or tea or something and tell me if it's not done when you're done with the beverage. :-) | 05:22 |
| ogra | else get a piece of cake as well ;) | 05:22 |
| gpocentek | :) | 05:22 |
| gpocentek | yay, it works :) | 05:25 |
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| brentcool | is herd 2 being released today? | 05:27 |
| Mithrandir | brentcool: that's the plan, yes. | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | brentcool: we ran into a few showstoppers, so it's a little later than hoped, but if Mithrandir thinks he can still do it ... :-) | 05:28 |
| brentcool | that's great | 05:28 |
| brentcool | i ask because the CD/DVD testing forum appears to be nonexistent all of sudden | 05:30 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: do you have an ETA for the new images? I need to leave in 1.5 hours, but would like to do some ppc/amd64 tests | 05:30 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: publishing binaries now; just upgrade your live cd and run the tests (once it finishes, about 20 minutes) | 05:31 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: 'upgrade your live CD == apt-get dist-upgrade in live system? i. e. it's only new ubiquity? | 05:32 |
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| brentcool | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 doesn't appear to go anywhere, just giving you guys a heads up if it was important | 05:32 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: yes, do you have other stuff which is broken? | 05:32 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: no blockers | 05:33 |
| pitti | just the usual small bugs we have since edgy or longer | 05:33 |
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| pitti | hi mneptok! *hug* | 05:33 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it'd be nice if we could have a "quiet week" at some point where we stamp out flaming ducks^W^Wannoying bugs. | 05:34 |
| cjwatson | brentcool: worked for me | 05:34 |
| cjwatson | brentcool: and still works | 05:34 |
| pitti | Mithrandir++ | 05:34 |
| brentcool | cjwatson, it takes me to just a blank template, no links to download ISO images | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | brentcool: -> heno, or the forums admins, maybe | 05:35 |
| keescook | mornin' | 05:36 |
| cjwatson | brentcool: but for downloading images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ (desktop) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ (alternate) and insert /kubuntu /edubuntu /xubuntu as appropriate after cdimage.ubuntu.com for flavours other than Ubuntu | 05:36 |
| heno | brentcool: there seems to have been some technical change in the forum today. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 works | 05:37 |
| brentcool | thanks cjwatson , I just wanted to make sure that other people wouldn't hit a brick wall with the semi-broken link :) I've got feisty in vmware with the newest updates, and I'm loving it so far | 05:38 |
| brentcool | ahh that's what it is | 05:38 |
| brentcool | ok problem solved, thanks heno | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | brentcool: ah, sorry, didn't notice the www. | 05:39 |
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| doko | hmm, power management isn't working out of the box on a new i386 install | 05:41 |
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| ogra | doko, elaborate ? | 05:42 |
| doko | ogra: cpu stays at fill speed | 05:43 |
| ogra | doesnt go to sleep ? doesnt wake up ? | 05:43 |
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| ogra | yeah thats a known upstream bug ... already fixed in cvs and reported several times | 05:43 |
| ogra | the ondemad governor is missing | 05:43 |
| ogra | will be fixed in the next g-p-m release | 05:44 |
| ogra | doko, 2.17.5 should fix it | 05:45 |
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| megatill | deutscher channel? | 05:53 |
| pitti | megatill: nein, bitte hier Englisch sprechen | 05:53 |
| megatill | pitti: okay where is the german channel of ubuntu? | 05:53 |
| silwol | megatill: #ubuntu-de | 05:53 |
| megatill | txh | 05:54 |
| megatill | good bye | 05:54 |
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| kevin | Hi mvo, I figured out that the upgrade to 6.10 in Update Manager will only be detected if I exported the http_proxy. Even though I had the proxy set in Preferences->Network Proxy it didn't work there. Just thought I'd let you know. | 05:55 |
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| mvo | thanks kevin | 06:01 |
| mvo | too late | 06:01 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: yay, ubiquity 1.3.11 made it to the archive | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: indeed. Rolling livefs-es now | 06:03 |
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| elmo | pitti: ... file something in RT | 06:04 |
| pitti | oh, that's not a problem on my end? | 06:04 |
| ogra | pitti, use a hub server thats not in the telecom network to download | 06:06 |
| elmo | pitti: it could be, or it could be your ISP vs Cogent | 06:06 |
| ogra | their routing is fucked | 06:06 |
| elmo | pitti: try downloading something from durville.c.c - if that's fast, it's your ISP vs. Cogent and we can work around it | 06:06 |
| elmo | but generally speaking, the point is please report problems if their reproducable, and I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I've seen you complain about speed problems to u.c | 06:06 |
| elmo | they're too | 06:07 |
| pitti | elmo: indeed, I get 400 kB/s from durville | 06:07 |
| pitti | elmo: sorry, it's pretty much the first time I notice that; I usually use de.archive.u.c | 06:07 |
| pitti | I just noticed because I wanted to test the new ubiquity quickly | 06:08 |
| elmo | pitti: ok, maybe I'm misremebering who had sped problems | 06:08 |
| pitti | yay, ubiquity doesn't crash for me any more | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | hooray | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | iwj: Most Winmodems nowadays are on a modified ac97 bus called mc97 | 06:25 |
| iwj | So I don't think it's sensible to spend a lot of effort researching nonfree drivers unless there's a compelling reason to include them, so I think a decision in principle to include nonfree drivers (which I wouldn't support) would need to be taken first. | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | iwj: basically, where a modem needs a binary-only driver, firmware blob or binary-only daemon; that's not a blocker for investigation -- find out what hardware we need to obtain, or whether someone in the team already has that modem, and find out what they need to install, etc. | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | iwj: the TB will make a decision about the driver once it's packaged and ready to go | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | iwj: the compelling reason to include them is to be able to support modems | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | this has been identified as a high priority | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | iwj: slmodem-daemon is the userspace portion | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | iwj: Note that this /doesn't/ apply to Conexant chipsets, such as the ones found on Thinkpads. | 06:26 |
| mjg59 | They need a payware driver. | 06:26 |
| iwj | mjg59: Aha. | 06:26 |
| iwj | mjg59: I must have been looking at the wrong websites. | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | Ignore linmodems. | 06:27 |
| iwj | mjg59: Ah. | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | It's full of insanity. | 06:27 |
| iwj | Right. | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | The situation is less good with respect to older chipsets | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | Especially since most of those drivers don't build on anything even vaguely recent | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | Almost all of the drivers for them were never officially released | 06:28 |
| iwj | Is the LDP modem howto any better ? | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | Might be a little | 06:28 |
| iwj | Where should I be looking ? | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | That depends on what you're looking for | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | The hwdb is probably a good plan | 06:28 |
| iwj | mjg59: It was clear that linmodems.org didn't have any significant number of useful drivers. | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | See which PCI chipsets actually pop up | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | I'd be willing to bet that the number of users with PCI winmodems (other than Conexants) is pretty slim | 06:29 |
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| mjg59 | The only other common one is likely to be Lucent | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | Which we already ship a driver for | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | Except it's not SMP-safe. Win. | 06:30 |
| iwj | And the Conexant users are out of luck because it's payware, which leaves us supporting only these ac97-like ones. (AMR?) | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 06:31 |
| kylem | mjg59, groan. | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | There's a "free" 14.4kb version of the Conexant drivers | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | When I mailed them ~18 months ago to ask if we could ship them, they never replied | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | But then, this is the company whose MODULE_LICENSE field reads: | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | "GPL\0With additional restrictions" | 06:32 |
| _ion | Heh. | 06:32 |
| mjg59 | The kernel does strcmp, hits the null and doesn't taint | 06:32 |
| mjg59 | I think shipping them would result in hatred | 06:32 |
| kylem | i think that was fixed to check the entire length of the string. | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | iwj: What I'd suggest would be just to bump slmodem-daemon to restricted, and have it check whether there's a Connexant codec | 06:34 |
| elmo | kylem: the right fix would have been to oops | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | iwj: You can do that by looking at some of the registers under /proc/alsa | 06:34 |
| kylem | elmo, the right fix would be to sue the company. | 06:34 |
| kylem | for being utter cunts. | 06:34 |
| _ion | One could claim they're saying it's GPL, because it is supposed to be read until the \0, and the rest is just some meaningless list of bytes. ;-) | 06:34 |
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| mjg59 | _ion: Eh. The driver's a thin shim around a large blob of compiled C++ | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | It's very, very hateful | 06:34 |
| _ion | ...and because they've published it until GPL (that's the impression they want the kernel to have let's play along), sue them for the source. ;-) | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Uh. They're the copyright holders. | 06:36 |
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| kylem | iirc it contains a copy of serial_core.c too. | 06:36 |
| _ion | I'm just kidding, don't take the previous lines seriously. | 06:36 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: installation finished, the i386 alternate is "good" I guess | 06:36 |
| gpocentek | just a little slow | 06:37 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: for the record, apt-get dist-upgraded ppc/amd64 live systems do not crash ubiquity any more | 06:38 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I'll do full tests of the new ISOs tonight or tomorrow early morning, but it should be well (modulo squashfs bugs and the like :) ) | 06:39 |
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| iwj | download/sl-modem_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2.orig.tar.gz: POSIX tar archive | 06:41 |
| iwj | w3m-- | 06:41 |
| iwj | Or maybe archive.ubuntu.com-- | 06:41 |
| iwj | mjg59: Do you know why sl-modem is in multiverse rather than universe ? | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | iwj: Non-free | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | The actual modem bit is only shipped as binary | 06:43 |
| iwj | ./drivers/amrlibs.o Aha, I see. | 06:44 |
| iwj | Still, much less annoying than a binary kernel driver. | 06:44 |
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| Lathiat | keescook: are you coming to LCA? | 07:01 |
| keescook | Lathiat: I am! :) | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | keescook: awesome, i'll be sure to say hi :) | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | (i figured from your mail to attendees) | 07:02 |
| keescook | you bet. are you coming to the keysigning? | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | yep | 07:02 |
| keescook | perfect. :) | 07:02 |
| cjwatson | pitti: still around? | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | pitti: your g-s-t patch as uploaded isn't quite the same as the one in the bug | 07:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: yes, I am. Leaving in 11 minutes | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | pitti: in particular the addition of X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true is missing from the upload | 07:05 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: er | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | pitti: never mind me, I'm insane and can't read two-level diffs | 07:05 |
| pitti | *phew* | 07:05 |
| iwj | insane> That's because you've been reading too many two-level diffs. | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | that would do it | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | pitti: both your SRU nags from the meeting accepted now | 07:07 |
| pitti | \o/ | 07:07 |
| pitti | thanks | 07:07 |
| nags | cjwatson, ? | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | nags: not you :-) | 07:07 |
| pitti | oh dear... | 07:07 |
| nags | cjwatson, ah ! okay :) | 07:07 |
| pitti | people should avoid using nicks that are actual language words... | 07:08 |
| pitti | :) | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | I pitti you if you think that | 07:08 |
| pitti | heh | 07:08 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: Kame on! | 07:08 |
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| ernstp | Iv'e got a 623 Mb (res) beagled running | 07:41 |
| ernstp | can I do some usefull debugging before I kill it? | 07:41 |
| ernstp | in Feisty | 07:42 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: how are those ubuntu CDs doing? | 07:51 |
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| Mithrandir | Riddell: they're built, I'm rsyncing now. Test away. | 08:06 |
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| doko | Mithrandir: ok to upload packages for main again, so that they get queued? | 08:10 |
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| gnomefreak | iwj: if your around. would it be ok to change the package of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/14911. it seems to be a flashplugin-nonfree issue not firefox | 08:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 08:11 |
| iwj | I think it's definitely OK to add a task against flashplugin-nonfree. But the task against firefox is to have a workaround. | 08:13 |
| mdke | is anyone available for some archive administration action? I'd be grateful for ubuntu-docs getting poked through into edgy-proposed as per bug 74555 | 08:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74555 in ubuntu-docs "Stable release update" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74555 | 08:13 |
| gnomefreak | ok so ill add flash to it | 08:13 |
| iwj | gnomefreak: Right. | 08:14 |
| gnomefreak | ok cool ty | 08:14 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: can it wait until tomorrow? I'm planning on spending most of tomorrow on archive administration stuff. | 08:15 |
| mdke | Mithrandir: that would be great, thanks | 08:16 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: can you look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/77711 tomorrow too? | 08:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 77711 in mailody "Please sync 0.3.0-1 with Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:18 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: tomorrow? :-) I'll get herd 2 out and then end my day. | 08:20 |
| Riddell | I did say tomorrow :) | 08:21 |
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| Mithrandir | oh, ok. | 08:22 |
| Mithrandir | yes, it's has ubuntu-archive subscribed to it, so I'll look at it. | 08:23 |
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| ||cw | not sure where to go with this... but where do I find the "setting preliminary keymap" that happens right after the initramfs scripts. I want to try and make it faster | 08:35 |
| mynameisdeleted | how much bandwidht would it take to run an official ubuntu mirror? | 08:35 |
| mynameisdeleted | I have 1gbps internet with dual cpu 2.8ghz | 08:35 |
| mynameisdeleted | and 1gb+ ram and sata | 08:36 |
| mynameisdeleted | I'm guessing I'd prob want 2GB+ ram and raid | 08:36 |
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| mdke | Znarl: question for you ^^ | 08:37 |
| Znarl | Hello mynameisdeleted. | 08:38 |
| mynameisdeleted | hi | 08:38 |
| Znarl | mynameisdeleted : You may like to join #ubuntu-mirrors for assistance with setting up a mirror. | 08:38 |
| tormod | heno, is Testing/Current/Ubuntu done for herd-2? It still says 20070111 (not .1) and there's nothing in the i386 column. | 08:39 |
| somerville32 | mynameisdeleted, Will you setup an Xubuntu mirror for us too? :) | 08:41 |
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| mynameisdeleted | perhaps | 08:41 |
| somerville32 | Thanks a bunch :) | 08:41 |
| mynameisdeleted | what rsync url? | 08:41 |
| Znarl | mynameisdeleted : I'll help you with the xubuntu rsyncs, don't worry. | 08:42 |
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| Mithrandir | tormod: -desktop is not tested yet. | 08:44 |
| tormod | Mithrandir: I am d/l'ing 11.1, will try it soon. | 08:45 |
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| cjwatson | (I answered ||cw in /msg) | 08:57 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: ubuntu powerpc desktop CD installs fine | 09:00 |
| somerville32 | Riddell: Want to try Xubuntu powerpc desktop cd? We don't get much powerpc testing :( | 09:01 |
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| Riddell | somerville32: won't the xubuntu CDs need remade for whatever the ubuntu issue was? | 09:02 |
| somerville32 | Riddell: I went for a nap. There was a ubuntu issue? | 09:03 |
| Riddell | somerville32: a crash in the gtk ubiquity frontend I believe | 09:04 |
| somerville32 | Mithrandir: ^^ | 09:04 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: yes, I believe xubuntu would be hit by it as well; I'll rebuild xubuntu now | 09:05 |
| somerville32 | Thanks | 09:05 |
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| gnomefreak | are we still frozen? | 09:06 |
| Mithrandir | gnomefreak: yes. | 09:06 |
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| gnomefreak | thought so | 09:06 |
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| keescook | Mithrandir: are the LP publishing queues on hold? I'm not seeing my security updates for breezy/dapper/edgy getting into the archives. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: yes, they are. I can byhand the publisher if you want. | 09:22 |
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| keescook | cool, yes please. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: running. | 09:23 |
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| keescook | Mithrandir: thanks! (Is there any way to only stop publication for feisty-only?) | 09:23 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: not that I know of, no. | 09:24 |
| keescook | I wonder if I should open a wishlist item for that, or if it will just naturally happen as a result of the PPA stuff? | 09:25 |
| elmo | keescook: no, a bug would be good idea | 09:25 |
| elmo | it's unrelated to PPA | 09:25 |
| keescook | elmo: okay, adding | 09:25 |
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| keescook | Seveas: can you change your USN RSS reader to include the "Details" section of USNs? | 09:47 |
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| somerville32 | Mithrandir, Did the Xubuntu rebuild finish? | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | somerville32: yeah, should be done now. | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20070111.1/ | 10:07 |
| somerville32 | Riddell, Would you be able to test? :] | 10:07 |
| somerville32 | Mithrandir, thanks a bunch :] | 10:07 |
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| heno | somerville32: try recruiting some of the people who reported having ppc hardware in the forums :) | 10:10 |
| somerville32 | heno: Good idea :) | 10:10 |
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| heno | lots of people have signed up, but there is not much actual testing yet | 10:10 |
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| heno | sfllaw: have you looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 today? | 10:11 |
| heno | any ideas on getting the testing going there? | 10:12 |
| somerville32 | Maybe there could be some sort of recognition/incentive for people who actually test and make a report? | 10:14 |
| heno | I think people also just have to get used to how it works | 10:15 |
| heno | It's quite tricky when the relevant image can change several times during a day | 10:16 |
| heno | might be tricky if you're not following on IRC | 10:16 |
| heno | dunno, we'll have to find out :) | 10:16 |
| Riddell | somerville32: downloading | 10:17 |
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| somerville32 | Riddell: Thanks a bunch :) | 10:17 |
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| LaserJock | heno: I don't think the subforum is in the right place or has the right name :/ | 10:22 |
| heno | LaserJock: ok, what would you suggest? | 10:22 |
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| LaserJock | heno: you should at least have a stick on the Feisty subforum | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | *sticky | 10:22 |
| tormod | heno, I think the "signed-up" testers understand they have to dl the daily, and not sit and wait for herd-2 to show up, or having CD's coming down from the sky :) | 10:23 |
| tormod | have to understand | 10:23 |
| heno | It's not a lack of viewings, which we have hundreds of, or lack of volunteers (45+), but of actual tests | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | ah | 10:23 |
| heno | tormod: could well be we need to be more clear, yes | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | heno: it could be just a matter of time | 10:24 |
| heno | LaserJock: there is a green notice on http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php :) | 10:24 |
| heno | yeah, could be | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | heno: oh, that's cool | 10:25 |
| heno | people may just need a release or two to get used to how it works | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | heno: there should be a sticky in the fiesty forum though | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | heno: well, for instance, I download .isos at work and test at night when I go home | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | perhaps it's just taking a while for people to test and get reports made up | 10:26 |
| heno | LaserJock: do you have sticking powers? | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | heno: no I don't | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | jdong probably does | 10:26 |
| heno | there is this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333915 | 10:26 |
| somerville32 | heno: Should I post on the forums too? I'm just recording my results in the results matrix. | 10:26 |
| heno | somerville32: yes, please post there too, to show people how it's done | 10:27 |
| heno | I've done that as well | 10:27 |
| heno | ringers :) | 10:27 |
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| LaserJock | heno: also, you might want to give directions for rsync usage | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | it might help a little for people doing multiple tests | 10:31 |
| heno | LaserJock: yep, is there a canonical wiki page for that? | 10:33 |
| somerville32 | Can I modify Testing/Short so that the USB storage test includes unmounting it? | 10:33 |
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| keescook | say, has anyone considered adding pango to ia32-libs? | 10:59 |
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| pitti | hi | 11:03 |
| keescook | hiya | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | keescook: it should be in ia32-libs-gtk at the moment | 11:04 |
| keescook | ajmitch: ah-ha! thank you. | 11:04 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: if you want to test -desktop i386.. I'm doing amd64 finally. | 11:05 |
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| keescook | ajmitch: the pango versions seem mismatched... | 11:05 |
| keescook | /usr/lib32/pango/1.5.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 11:05 |
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| keescook | /usr/lib32/pango/1.6.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: if not, I'll do it once this run finishes | 11:07 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: you probably need to preload a hack to work around that, iirc. | 11:07 |
| keescook | Mithrandir: I haven't dug into it too hard, but I think it's from pango doing explicit dlopens... | 11:08 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I'm currently updating my amd64 and ppc images | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: yes, and you need to preload a small hack which tells it to use another config file. | 11:09 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: my quota/bandwidth is too bad for downloading i386 :( | 11:09 |
| XBillGates | I masterbate over Vista.... (w00t j00 steve balmer) | 11:09 |
| keescook | Mithrandir: aaah, okay. Let me see if a symlink works first. :) | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: oh well, I'll do i386 too afterwards, then. | 11:09 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I can do the amd64 ones if that helps you | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: look at the soffice.bin in the openoffice.org-amd64 source package. | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: more testing is better, unless you'd rather sleep. | 11:09 |
| keescook | Mithrandir: I have been, that's how I ended up looking at the ia32 libs. :) | 11:10 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: doesn't help, my ppc is much slower than my amd64 | 11:10 |
| XBillGates | do you fellas get paid to work on ubuntu? | 11:10 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I give it the standard 'wipe disk/German' test that failed the previous time, can't hurt | 11:10 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: thanks. | 11:10 |
| Mithrandir | XBillGates: some do, some don't | 11:10 |
| XBillGates | ah ok. | 11:11 |
| keescook | Ah-Ha! This solves my vmplayer busted-fonts problem too. | 11:11 |
| pitti | sfllaw: do I need to do anything to require QA testing for bug 59946, or is tagging the bug as 'verification-needed' sufficient? | 11:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59946 | 11:12 |
| XBillGates | m|cr05h4ft 0\/\//\5 j00 | 11:14 |
| Mithrandir | hurrah, install seems to work for me now. | 11:16 |
| Mithrandir | I need to finish it and reboot, but it looks good so far. | 11:16 |
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| Mithrandir | hurrah, amd64 desktop works for me. | 11:25 |
| Riddell | somerville32: xubuntu on powerpc works well, except that I can't find a file manager | 11:25 |
| somerville32 | lmao | 11:26 |
| somerville32 | Thunar | 11:26 |
| somerville32 | Riddell: Could you please record your findings at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current ? :) | 11:26 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: crap, bloody g-v-m still automounts a new partition despite the gconf keys being off; it doesn't always happen, but it just happened once to me; I'll investigate this soon | 11:33 |
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| marcheu | pitti: hello | 11:34 |
| pitti | hi marcheu | 11:34 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I filed that as bug 78862, FYI | 11:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78862 in gnome-volume-manager "automatically mounts created file systems on live CD" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78862 | 11:35 |
| marcheu | pitti: hmm, so, I should be around over the next couple of days, will you have a little time ? | 11:36 |
| pitti | marcheu: oooh, Stephane, nice to meet you | 11:36 |
| pitti | marcheu: right now is a pretty bad time (herd-2 release pressure), but maybe we can talk tomorrow or Monday? | 11:37 |
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| pitti | marcheu: when would be a suitable time for you? | 11:37 |
| marcheu | pitti: sure, no problem | 11:37 |
| marcheu | sorry, I was not aware of your pre-release dates | 11:37 |
| marcheu | pitti: well ping me, or as pm when you're ok | 11:38 |
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| pitti | marcheu: I will, thank you! | 11:39 |
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| tormod | I installed 20070111.1 Desktop i386 successfully, updated Testing/Current/Ubuntu | 11:55 |
| Mithrandir | tormod: yay | 11:56 |
| Mithrandir | I'm just going to finish my install too before blessing those images. | 11:56 |
| Mithrandir | that is, I'll bless them tomorrow morning, but they're golden. | 11:56 |
| Mithrandir | since it's midnight here and I'd rather be in bed. | 11:56 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: I can't seem to get ubiquity offer me autoresize, otherwise amd64/desktop is great now | 12:01 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it offered to me. | 12:02 |
| pitti | I tried with various setups, first swap and then large big ubuntu ext3 partition in an extended partition worked pretty well with edgy | 12:02 |
| pitti | but I have never really been able to reproduce it reliably | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | 'k | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | anyway, I'm happy with what we have, so I'll do the final release tomorrow. It takes about an hour and I'd rather do it when I'm more awake. | 12:03 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: alright; I'll finish testing ppc now and add results to the wiki | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | it's been tested by Riddell but more testing is always welcome. | 12:04 |
| pitti | oh, he should add his results to the wiki then | 12:05 |
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| somerville32 | Riddle: ping | 12:12 |
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