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| mdke | can someone try editing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes please? | 12:38 |
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| Laser_away | "You are not allowed to view this page." | 12:42 |
| mdke | to view?? | 12:42 |
| mdke | you can't even see it? | 12:42 |
| somerville32 | "You are not allowed to view this page." | 12:42 |
| Laser_away | mdke: nope | 12:42 |
| somerville32 | mdke: nope | 12:42 |
| Laser_away | I'm logged in too | 12:43 |
| mdke | wtf | 12:43 |
| somerville32 | Me too | 12:43 |
| somerville32 | or wait | 12:43 |
| somerville32 | no, I'm not | 12:43 |
| mdke | that makes no sense | 12:43 |
| mdke | how about now? | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | nope | 12:45 |
| mdke | ffs | 12:45 |
| mdke | now, surely? | 12:46 |
| mdke | help! LaserJock | 12:48 |
| mdke | somerville32! | 12:48 |
| mdke | stupid Moin | 12:48 |
| somerville32 | :) | 12:48 |
| somerville32 | "You are not allowed to view this page." | 12:48 |
| mdke | any browser caching or something? | 12:48 |
| mdke | alright, I'll better test the bugger myself | 12:49 |
| somerville32 | I cleared the cache | 12:49 |
| somerville32 | still not working | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | still no workie | 12:50 |
| mdke | ok, now you can view it | 12:51 |
| mdke | how about editing it? | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | I can see it | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | no editing | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | "immutable Page" | 12:52 |
| mdke | phew | 12:52 |
| mdke | god Moin is a PITA | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | I even tried to put the edit url in | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 12:52 |
| mdke | thanks for your help, both | 12:53 |
| somerville32 | np :) | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: "those who can't, test" ;-) | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | my goodness, a lot of people edit Mark's wiki page | 01:03 |
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| nixternal | Kubuntu Makefile is working again :) | 04:07 |
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| linuxphotogeek_ | svn help anyone? | 04:30 |
| nixternal | whats up? | 04:32 |
| linuxphotogeek_ | Is there a way to change or add to a 'commit' message? | 04:32 |
| nixternal | edubuntu docs updated and ready for building | 04:32 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: ^^ | 04:32 |
| nixternal | well i guess i could do them as well :) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | svn commit -m "commit message" | 04:33 |
| nixternal | linuxphotogeek_: ^^ | 04:33 |
| linuxphotogeek_ | I've already committed using esvn and it had a message selected | 04:34 |
| linuxphotogeek_ | I didn't notice unitl too late | 04:34 |
| nixternal | ah, i don't know about esvn, im a command line user. | 04:34 |
| nixternal | i'm sure there is a way to do so though | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | linuxphotogeek_: I don't think you can just post-edit the comments | 04:37 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: excelent | 04:37 |
| linuxphotogeek_ | I guess I could make a trival change and recommit but seems messy | 04:38 |
| nixternal | so now it seems all of our docs are building again!!! | 04:38 |
| nixternal | mdke rocks! | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: hmm, so should I add the debian/ dir to edubuntu/ like ubuntu and kubuntu? | 04:42 |
| nixternal | i would do it like ubuntu, not kubuntu since we build all of our xml to html for KHelpCenter | 04:43 |
| nixternal | which I am going to fix for the next release (feisty+1) | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | well, but I mean adding the packaging to the doc team repo | 04:43 |
| nixternal | all kubuntu docs will end with .docbook so we don't have to build them seperately | 04:43 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: yes | 04:43 |
| nixternal | you know the packaging stuff better than i do, and i feel more comfortable having you at least start it, then i will ahve no problem maintaining it | 04:44 |
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| somerville32 | Does help.u.c have a newer version of the MoinMoin then wiki.u.c ? | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | it's possible | 05:27 |
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| mdke | somerville32: no, same version | 09:50 |
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| mdke | somerville32: Moin versione. | 09:50 |
| mdke | versions* | 09:50 |
| somerville32 | ah | 09:50 |
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| mdke | somerville32: you can get system and version info from SystemInfo on moin wikis, for future interest | 09:50 |
| somerville32 | kk, thanks | 09:51 |
| mdke | linuxphotogeek: nice work! | 09:57 |
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| mpt | !!!!!! | 10:14 |
| === mpt hugs mdke | ||
| mpt | Thank you for that tip! | 10:14 |
| mpt | I have been wondering that for years | 10:14 |
| mpt | Now I can understand the differences in the various wikis Canonical uses | 10:14 |
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| alefteris | is it possible to create a table without borders or define its color at the ubuntu wiki? | 04:17 |
| willvdl | alefteris, it is. just looking up the references | 04:29 |
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| willvdl | darn, could have sworn I did it somewhere | 04:35 |
| alefteris | willvdl, you mean about the borders? i looked the wiki help about formating and i didnt find anything. Is it possible to set it with css styles? | 04:36 |
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| willvdl | alefteris, could be, haven't tried. Sorry, thought I knew how to do it but can't seem to get it right | 04:41 |
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| willvdl | nixternal ping | 06:56 |
| nixternal | pongidy pong pong | 06:56 |
| nixternal | I'm popular this morning | 06:56 |
| willvdl | you are? | 06:56 |
| nixternal | ya, everyone is pinging me | 06:56 |
| willvdl | maybe they like the way you respond | 06:56 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:56 |
| willvdl | I'm helping out with a conference in nigeria and am looking for some nice videos | 06:57 |
| willvdl | Tutorials, Freedom, Demo type things | 06:57 |
| willvdl | got any favourates? | 06:58 |
| nixternal | hmm | 06:58 |
| nixternal | ya, actually i do | 06:58 |
| nixternal | let me grab a link | 06:58 |
| nixternal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1x7xPUA5YM | 06:59 |
| nixternal | that is a great video of 2 great leaders in Open Source | 06:59 |
| willvdl | ooh. cool | 07:00 |
| willvdl | gonna need to download a bunch of these things. west africa is not big on connectivity | 07:00 |
| nixternal | willvdl: i recommend you watch that one first to see if it qualifies | 07:00 |
| nixternal | it is Jeff and Pia Waugh :) | 07:00 |
| nixternal | and was a joke by the way ;p | 07:01 |
| willvdl | yeah I noticed :) | 07:01 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:01 |
| nixternal | for tutorials, i would say talk to popey as he is the Ubuntu Video Tutorial Master! | 07:01 |
| willvdl | groovy | 07:02 |
| nixternal | for demos, there were some on http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ | 07:02 |
| willvdl | I've got go-open campaign DVDs as well which are quite nice | 07:02 |
| nixternal | that will definitely help | 07:03 |
| nixternal | is there a link for those DVDs at all? | 07:03 |
| willvdl | ooh, lemme check | 07:06 |
| willvdl | it's a collection from the tv show | 07:09 |
| willvdl | http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/ | 07:09 |
| nixternal | thanks | 07:10 |
| willvdl | can't find links to the video though | 07:10 |
| willvdl | ah http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/ | 07:11 |
| nixternal | ya, just found them :) | 07:11 |
| willvdl | my word my kubuntu is unstable today | 07:15 |
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| willvdl | kaffeine wont play the dvd, kmail crashed 3 times and kopete does weird things to my text | 07:16 |
| willvdl | I liked this one http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOlrKH3SmtI | 07:16 |
| nixternal | i love my kubuntu stability :) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | OMG WOW1 | 07:19 |
| nixternal | ! too :) | 07:19 |
| willvdl | wouldn't play the DVD if I had videos open in firefox | 07:19 |
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| willvdl | don't get me wrong, I love all untus. just today I had probs | 07:19 |
| nixternal | my only problems are the latest feisty images not booting for me | 07:20 |
| nixternal | im going to try a live cd now | 07:21 |
| willvdl | erm, I'm an idiot. Is there any way to download videos off ubuntuvideo? | 07:24 |
| nixternal | i use a script called gentube from kde-apps.org | 07:26 |
| nixternal | the ubuntuvideos are pretty much all youtube | 07:27 |
| nixternal | hrmm, and obviously gentube doesn't work | 07:28 |
| willvdl | flash videos | 07:28 |
| willvdl | mostly? | 07:28 |
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| nixternal | http://www.youtubex.com/ | 07:30 |
| nixternal | ya they are mostly flash videos, especially if they are youtube videos | 07:30 |
| willvdl | ok, that link helps | 07:31 |
| willvdl | what do you reckon will happen to quality if I convert format? | 07:31 |
| nixternal | dunno, going to try that now | 07:32 |
| willvdl | hmm, youtubex doesn't like rewritten urls | 07:38 |
| nixternal | i can't figure out how to convert this video | 07:40 |
| willvdl | what you using? | 07:44 |
| nixternal | nothing yet | 07:44 |
| willvdl | try choosing an application :P | 07:44 |
| nixternal | dunno which one to use, im a newb when it comes to this sort of stuff | 07:45 |
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| popey | hello willvdl nixternal | 08:03 |
| willvdl | hey | 08:03 |
| popey | i suspect nixternal was referring to http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/ | 08:04 |
| willvdl | just trolling for videos/tutorials to showcase at a conference | 08:04 |
| willvdl | yip, I imagine | 08:04 |
| popey | when is the conference? | 08:05 |
| nixternal | i am not having any luck converting flv files | 08:05 |
| mdke | mpt: hugs | 08:05 |
| popey | nixternal: ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.mpeg ? | 08:05 |
| willvdl | popey, perhaps you could explain to me how to download a google video? just can't seem to get it right | 08:05 |
| popey | i have never downloaded a google video | 08:05 |
| popey | are you after one in particular? | 08:05 |
| nixternal | popey: how come it says i need to download adobe flash when i goto /screencasts? | 08:05 |
| popey | one of mine? or someone elses? | 08:05 |
| willvdl | popey, is there any loss of quality in that conversion? | 08:05 |
| popey | willvdl: no, flv is already crap :) | 08:06 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:06 |
| popey | nixternal: because the screencasts are in flash format | 08:06 |
| willvdl | do you have better quality versions somewhere? | 08:06 |
| popey | but if you click the title you get a page where you can download the ogg or mpeg | 08:06 |
| nixternal | hrmm, interesting, i have flash already installed | 08:06 |
| popey | yes, the mpeg2 - the biggest ones, are the best quality | 08:06 |
| willvdl | woohoo | 08:06 |
| popey | text is nice and readable at 1024x768 | 08:07 |
| popey | when is the conference ? | 08:07 |
| popey | if you have any particular things you would like to see, do let me know | 08:07 |
| willvdl | 12-22 MArch | 08:07 |
| popey | plenty of time ;) | 08:07 |
| willvdl | well, it's actually for the legal fraternity with some members from the pan-african parliament | 08:07 |
| willvdl | so any real techy stuff will get lost | 08:08 |
| willvdl | but the conference is on a legal informatics framework so they are somewhat tech-savvy | 08:08 |
| popey | well if there are specific apps they use - maybe windows ones you would like to run under wine? | 08:09 |
| popey | or maybe show off some linux equiv of a windows app they use, let me know | 08:09 |
| willvdl | linux equiv is good | 08:09 |
| popey | yeah, preferable | 08:09 |
| willvdl | don't like the wine idea, too confusing | 08:09 |
| popey | but you always get someone ask for an app that doesn't work | 08:09 |
| popey | well, I have actually already made one about wine | 08:10 |
| popey | shows how to get a wine app working | 08:10 |
| willvdl | true but wine causes headaches | 08:10 |
| popey | no command lines in sight :) | 08:10 |
| popey | true | 08:10 |
| willvdl | and loss of motor-function | 08:10 |
| willvdl | but I do find it helps me ride a bicycle better | 08:10 |
| popey | well, the offer is there, let me know if you want something specific demoe | 08:11 |
| popey | +d | 08:11 |
| willvdl | excellent. going to go through screencasts and see | 08:11 |
| willvdl | so the mpeg2 files are best quality | 08:11 |
| willvdl | and the oggs? | 08:11 |
| popey | yes | 08:11 |
| popey | ogg isn't far behind the mpeg2 in terms of quality | 08:11 |
| popey | and you get the bonus that you're playing using a free codec :) | 08:12 |
| willvdl | exactly | 08:12 |
| popey | if you run the ogg full screen at more than about 6 inches away I doubt anyone would notice | 08:12 |
| popey | unless you are projecting this on a wall in which case 6 inches probably isn't a good viewing distance :) | 08:13 |
| willvdl | probably going to put them on some kind of big screen | 08:13 |
| willvdl | not projecting but somewhere between 21" and 72" | 08:13 |
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| willvdl | popey, thinking about tuts: key apps that get showcased are usually: email, browser, office | 08:27 |
| willvdl | the others that people love to see are: photos, music and IM/VOIP | 08:28 |
| nixternal | some odd reason, my flashplugin was nixed | 08:28 |
| willvdl | plugged out so to speak? | 08:29 |
| nixternal | hehe ya | 08:29 |
| willvdl | been waiting years to use that one | 08:29 |
| willvdl | finally I die contented | 08:29 |
| willvdl | can die rather | 08:29 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:29 |
| nixternal | i need a maid | 08:29 |
| nixternal | my dog has trashed my wood floors, and im to into writing up the Herd 2 release notes for Kubuntu :) | 08:30 |
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| willvdl | urg, trying to play one of the screencast oggs but I only get sound but no video | 08:45 |
| mdke | my media players crash on them | 08:47 |
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| theCore | hi LaserJock | 09:08 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I did some changes to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | hi theCore | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | sorry I haven't been able to finish that | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | I've been to the dentist | 09:09 |
| theCore | hehe, excuses accepted :P | 09:10 |
| mdke | clearly a lie | 09:10 |
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| LaserJock | mhm | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | you'd see a fresh temporary for a new crown | 09:11 |
| mdke | yeah, nice | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | this is my 5th crown in a year | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | that's what I get for not going to the dentist for 5 years | 09:11 |
| mdke | heh | 09:14 |
| mdke | it evens out in the end | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | still got one to go | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | and a bunch of fillings | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | and the uni doesn't provide dental insurance so it's rather expensive | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I like your changes | 09:17 |
| theCore | LaserJock: thanks | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I'm going to go mess it up a bit | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | but I like it | 09:17 |
| popey | willvdl: those are all on the to-do list, should have them done before march :) | 09:17 |
| willvdl | excellent! | 09:18 |
| willvdl | mdke ping | 09:18 |
| theCore | LaserJock: that is just an outline, the real work is doing those changes | 09:18 |
| theCore | LaserJock: hopefully, I will have some time to do them | 09:18 |
| mdke | willvdl: cheeky escape of my ping response | 09:19 |
| willvdl | better than nixternal's pingedy pong pong | 09:19 |
| willvdl | Just been thinking around low-bandwidth countries | 09:19 |
| willvdl | could we somehow add functionality to h.u.c to easily download the howto's in one foul swoop? | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | theCore: yeah | 09:20 |
| mdke | willvdl: we could do it with the wiki. As for the other part, it's shipped with the system already | 09:20 |
| mdke | willvdl: it would be *very* big though | 09:20 |
| willvdl | how big is very? | 09:21 |
| willvdl | it's all text... | 09:21 |
| willvdl | I mean the /community docs specifically | 09:21 |
| mdke | hmm. Dunno how big actually | 09:22 |
| mdke | we could try | 09:23 |
| mdke | we used to do it for the italian wiki, before it broke | 09:23 |
| mdke | http://help.ubuntu-it.org/wiki/ubuntu-it-wiki.tar | 09:23 |
| mdke | that's only about 1.1mb | 09:24 |
| willvdl | hmmm. could be extremely useful for some of the places I work with... | 09:24 |
| willvdl | like a good old wikipedia snapshot - h.u.c/community snapshot | 09:24 |
| mdke | ok, I'll investigate further | 09:24 |
| willvdl | thanks | 09:24 |
| mdke | can you code? | 09:25 |
| willvdl | used to code a lot but I got better | 09:25 |
| mdke | :) | 09:25 |
| mdke | I recollect the tool being a bit dodgy, I'll call on you if I can't understand something :) | 09:25 |
| willvdl | never really delved much into web-apps though. mainly embedded stuff and protocols | 09:26 |
| mdke | bbl | 09:26 |
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| mpt | mdke, *delayed hugs* | 11:03 |
| mdke | :) | 11:08 |
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| mdke | mpt: you'll probably like PageHits too | 11:17 |
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| tristanbob | is there a documentation template for the wiki? | 11:49 |
| mdke | tristanbob: yes | 11:49 |
| tristanbob | I am creating a new page and I see many templates... nothing that jumps out at me | 11:50 |
| mdke | are you on the correct wiki? | 11:50 |
| tristanbob | not sure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | 11:50 |
| mdke | no :) | 11:50 |
| mdke | that's the developers wiki. The documentation wiki is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community (you should move any documentation you've created on the developers wiki there) | 11:50 |
| tristanbob | I am not clear on the two wikis - I thought one was development (wiki) and help.ubuntu.com was production | 11:50 |
| tristanbob | what is the purpose of wiki.ubuntu.com vs help.ubuntu.com? (link?) | 11:51 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs | 11:51 |
| tristanbob | thanks - I will read | 11:51 |
| mdke | :) | 11:51 |
| mdke | anyhow, the template is named DocumentationTemplate | 11:52 |
| mdke | try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MyNewPage | 11:52 |
| tristanbob | thanks, I was just wondering how to create that | 11:52 |
| mdke | on the left | 11:52 |
| tristanbob | normally I do it from my wiki page | 11:52 |
| mdke | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/PageCreation | 11:52 |
| mdke | I'm bombarding you with links this evening :) | 11:52 |
| mdke | good stuff in WikiGuide, check it out | 11:53 |
| tristanbob | will do | 11:53 |
| tristanbob | how about a good title (I'm sure that is in the reading but...) | 11:54 |
| tristanbob | MountingNovellNetworkDrives | 11:54 |
| mdke | sounds fine; yeah, some basic tips on the PageCreation page | 11:54 |
| mdke | nothing very far away from common sense though | 11:54 |
| tristanbob | great. Thanks for your time, mdke | 11:56 |
| mdke | np | 11:57 |
| mdke | tristanbob: congrats on your membership | 11:57 |
| tristanbob | thanks - it is not official yet (waiting for Mako) | 11:58 |
| mdke | oh yeah. Sure that won't be a problem | 11:58 |
| tristanbob | if I may ask a non-doc question: should I tell users to mount network drives to /mnt ? is that the right place? | 11:59 |
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| tristanbob | :) heheh, well it is a wiki and not written in stone | 11:59 |
| mdke | yep. I think that it's appropriate, myself, but I'm not an expert | 12:00 |
| mdke | removable drives go to /media, but network drives seem different to me | 12:00 |
| mdke | there will be some spec on it somewhere | 12:00 |
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| tristanbob | mdke: should I be on the ubuntu-doc team if I only make infrequent wiki entries? | 12:16 |
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| mdke | tristanbob: wikiteam is available for your joining pleasure if you are going to stick around a bit | 12:16 |
| mdke | ubuntu-doc is just for our repository really | 12:17 |
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