=== MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.207] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:38] can someone try editing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes please? [12:42] "You are not allowed to view this page." [12:42] to view?? [12:42] you can't even see it? [12:42] "You are not allowed to view this page." [12:42] mdke: nope [12:42] mdke: nope [12:43] I'm logged in too [12:43] wtf [12:43] Me too [12:43] or wait [12:43] no, I'm not [12:43] that makes no sense [12:44] how about now? [12:45] nope [12:45] ffs [12:46] now, surely? [12:48] help! LaserJock [12:48] somerville32! [12:48] stupid Moin [12:48] :) [12:48] "You are not allowed to view this page." [12:48] any browser caching or something? [12:49] alright, I'll better test the bugger myself [12:49] I cleared the cache [12:49] still not working [12:50] still no workie [12:51] ok, now you can view it [12:51] how about editing it? [12:52] I can see it [12:52] no editing [12:52] "immutable Page" [12:52] phew [12:52] god Moin is a PITA [12:52] I even tried to put the edit url in [12:52] :-) [12:53] thanks for your help, both [12:55] np :) [12:58] mdke: "those who can't, test" ;-) [01:03] my goodness, a lot of people edit Mark's wiki page === somerville32 still thinks this release should have been called Funky Fairy === linuxphotogeek_ [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek_ [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:07] Kubuntu Makefile is working again :) === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek_ [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek_ [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:30] svn help anyone? [04:32] whats up? [04:32] Is there a way to change or add to a 'commit' message? [04:32] edubuntu docs updated and ready for building [04:32] LaserJock: ^^ [04:32] well i guess i could do them as well :) [04:33] svn commit -m "commit message" [04:33] linuxphotogeek_: ^^ [04:34] I've already committed using esvn and it had a message selected [04:34] I didn't notice unitl too late [04:34] ah, i don't know about esvn, im a command line user. [04:34] i'm sure there is a way to do so though [04:37] linuxphotogeek_: I don't think you can just post-edit the comments === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:37] nixternal: excelent [04:38] I guess I could make a trival change and recommit but seems messy [04:38] so now it seems all of our docs are building again!!! [04:38] mdke rocks! [04:42] nixternal: hmm, so should I add the debian/ dir to edubuntu/ like ubuntu and kubuntu? [04:43] i would do it like ubuntu, not kubuntu since we build all of our xml to html for KHelpCenter [04:43] which I am going to fix for the next release (feisty+1) [04:43] well, but I mean adding the packaging to the doc team repo [04:43] all kubuntu docs will end with .docbook so we don't have to build them seperately [04:43] LaserJock: yes [04:44] you know the packaging stuff better than i do, and i feel more comfortable having you at least start it, then i will ahve no problem maintaining it === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:26] Does help.u.c have a newer version of the MoinMoin then wiki.u.c ? 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[09:50] somerville32: Moin versione. [09:50] versions* [09:50] ah === somerville32 nods. [09:50] somerville32: you can get system and version info from SystemInfo on moin wikis, for future interest [09:51] kk, thanks [09:57] linuxphotogeek: nice work! === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] !!!!!! === mpt hugs mdke [10:14] Thank you for that tip! 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[04:29] alefteris, it is. just looking up the references === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:35] darn, could have sworn I did it somewhere [04:36] willvdl, you mean about the borders? i looked the wiki help about formating and i didnt find anything. Is it possible to set it with css styles? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-4.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:41] alefteris, could be, haven't tried. Sorry, thought I knew how to do it but can't seem to get it right === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:56] nixternal ping [06:56] pongidy pong pong [06:56] I'm popular this morning [06:56] you are? [06:56] ya, everyone is pinging me [06:56] maybe they like the way you respond [06:56] hehe [06:57] I'm helping out with a conference in nigeria and am looking for some nice videos [06:57] Tutorials, Freedom, Demo type things [06:58] got any favourates? [06:58] hmm [06:58] ya, actually i do [06:58] let me grab a link [06:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1x7xPUA5YM [06:59] that is a great video of 2 great leaders in Open Source [07:00] ooh. cool [07:00] gonna need to download a bunch of these things. west africa is not big on connectivity [07:00] willvdl: i recommend you watch that one first to see if it qualifies [07:00] it is Jeff and Pia Waugh :) [07:01] and was a joke by the way ;p [07:01] yeah I noticed :) [07:01] lol [07:01] for tutorials, i would say talk to popey as he is the Ubuntu Video Tutorial Master! [07:02] groovy [07:02] for demos, there were some on http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ [07:02] I've got go-open campaign DVDs as well which are quite nice [07:03] that will definitely help [07:03] is there a link for those DVDs at all? [07:06] ooh, lemme check [07:09] it's a collection from the tv show [07:09] http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/ [07:10] thanks [07:10] can't find links to the video though [07:11] ah http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/ [07:11] ya, just found them :) [07:15] my word my kubuntu is unstable today === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:16] kaffeine wont play the dvd, kmail crashed 3 times and kopete does weird things to my text [07:16] I liked this one http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOlrKH3SmtI [07:17] i love my kubuntu stability :) [07:19] OMG WOW1 [07:19] ! too :) [07:19] wouldn't play the DVD if I had videos open in firefox === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.132.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:19] don't get me wrong, I love all untus. just today I had probs [07:20] my only problems are the latest feisty images not booting for me [07:21] im going to try a live cd now [07:24] erm, I'm an idiot. Is there any way to download videos off ubuntuvideo? [07:26] i use a script called gentube from kde-apps.org [07:27] the ubuntuvideos are pretty much all youtube [07:28] hrmm, and obviously gentube doesn't work [07:28] flash videos [07:28] mostly? === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [07:30] http://www.youtubex.com/ [07:30] ya they are mostly flash videos, especially if they are youtube videos [07:31] ok, that link helps [07:31] what do you reckon will happen to quality if I convert format? [07:32] dunno, going to try that now [07:38] hmm, youtubex doesn't like rewritten urls [07:40] i can't figure out how to convert this video [07:44] what you using? [07:44] nothing yet [07:44] try choosing an application :P [07:45] dunno which one to use, im a newb when it comes to this sort of stuff === alefteris [n=alefteri@85.75.220.144] has left #ubuntu-doc [""] === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === popey notes his name mentioned [08:03] hello willvdl nixternal [08:03] hey [08:04] i suspect nixternal was referring to http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/ [08:04] just trolling for videos/tutorials to showcase at a conference [08:04] yip, I imagine [08:05] when is the conference? [08:05] i am not having any luck converting flv files [08:05] mpt: hugs [08:05] nixternal: ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.mpeg ? [08:05] popey, perhaps you could explain to me how to download a google video? just can't seem to get it right [08:05] i have never downloaded a google video [08:05] are you after one in particular? [08:05] popey: how come it says i need to download adobe flash when i goto /screencasts? [08:05] one of mine? or someone elses? [08:05] popey, is there any loss of quality in that conversion? [08:06] willvdl: no, flv is already crap :) [08:06] lol [08:06] nixternal: because the screencasts are in flash format [08:06] do you have better quality versions somewhere? [08:06] but if you click the title you get a page where you can download the ogg or mpeg [08:06] hrmm, interesting, i have flash already installed [08:06] yes, the mpeg2 - the biggest ones, are the best quality [08:06] woohoo [08:07] text is nice and readable at 1024x768 [08:07] when is the conference ? [08:07] if you have any particular things you would like to see, do let me know [08:07] 12-22 MArch [08:07] plenty of time ;) [08:07] well, it's actually for the legal fraternity with some members from the pan-african parliament [08:08] so any real techy stuff will get lost [08:08] but the conference is on a legal informatics framework so they are somewhat tech-savvy [08:09] well if there are specific apps they use - maybe windows ones you would like to run under wine? [08:09] or maybe show off some linux equiv of a windows app they use, let me know [08:09] linux equiv is good [08:09] yeah, preferable [08:09] don't like the wine idea, too confusing [08:09] but you always get someone ask for an app that doesn't work [08:10] well, I have actually already made one about wine [08:10] shows how to get a wine app working [08:10] true but wine causes headaches [08:10] no command lines in sight :) [08:10] true [08:10] and loss of motor-function [08:10] but I do find it helps me ride a bicycle better [08:11] well, the offer is there, let me know if you want something specific demoe [08:11] +d [08:11] excellent. going to go through screencasts and see [08:11] so the mpeg2 files are best quality [08:11] and the oggs? [08:11] yes [08:11] ogg isn't far behind the mpeg2 in terms of quality [08:12] and you get the bonus that you're playing using a free codec :) [08:12] exactly [08:12] if you run the ogg full screen at more than about 6 inches away I doubt anyone would notice [08:13] unless you are projecting this on a wall in which case 6 inches probably isn't a good viewing distance :) [08:13] probably going to put them on some kind of big screen [08:13] not projecting but somewhere between 21" and 72" === froud [n=sean@41.242.159.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:27] popey, thinking about tuts: key apps that get showcased are usually: email, browser, office [08:28] the others that people love to see are: photos, music and IM/VOIP [08:28] some odd reason, my flashplugin was nixed [08:29] plugged out so to speak? [08:29] hehe ya [08:29] been waiting years to use that one [08:29] finally I die contented [08:29] can die rather [08:29] lol [08:29] i need a maid [08:30] my dog has trashed my wood floors, and im to into writing up the Herd 2 release notes for Kubuntu :) === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-48.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:45] urg, trying to play one of the screencast oggs but I only get sound but no video [08:47] my media players crash on them === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-167-104.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:08] hi LaserJock [09:09] LaserJock: I did some changes to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide [09:09] hi theCore [09:09] sorry I haven't been able to finish that [09:09] I've been to the dentist [09:10] hehe, excuses accepted :P [09:10] clearly a lie === mdke peers into LaserJock's mouth [09:10] mhm [09:11] you'd see a fresh temporary for a new crown [09:11] yeah, nice [09:11] this is my 5th crown in a year [09:11] that's what I get for not going to the dentist for 5 years [09:14] heh [09:14] it evens out in the end [09:15] still got one to go [09:15] and a bunch of fillings [09:15] and the uni doesn't provide dental insurance so it's rather expensive [09:17] theCore: I like your changes [09:17] LaserJock: thanks [09:17] theCore: I'm going to go mess it up a bit [09:17] but I like it [09:17] willvdl: those are all on the to-do list, should have them done before march :) [09:18] excellent! [09:18] mdke ping [09:18] LaserJock: that is just an outline, the real work is doing those changes [09:18] LaserJock: hopefully, I will have some time to do them [09:19] willvdl: cheeky escape of my ping response [09:19] better than nixternal's pingedy pong pong [09:19] Just been thinking around low-bandwidth countries [09:20] could we somehow add functionality to h.u.c to easily download the howto's in one foul swoop? [09:20] theCore: yeah [09:20] willvdl: we could do it with the wiki. As for the other part, it's shipped with the system already [09:20] willvdl: it would be *very* big though [09:21] how big is very? [09:21] it's all text... [09:21] I mean the /community docs specifically [09:22] hmm. Dunno how big actually [09:23] we could try [09:23] we used to do it for the italian wiki, before it broke [09:23] http://help.ubuntu-it.org/wiki/ubuntu-it-wiki.tar [09:24] that's only about 1.1mb [09:24] hmmm. could be extremely useful for some of the places I work with... [09:24] like a good old wikipedia snapshot - h.u.c/community snapshot [09:24] ok, I'll investigate further [09:24] thanks [09:25] can you code? [09:25] used to code a lot but I got better [09:25] :) [09:25] I recollect the tool being a bit dodgy, I'll call on you if I can't understand something :) [09:26] never really delved much into web-apps though. mainly embedded stuff and protocols [09:26] bbl === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["No] [11:03] mdke, *delayed hugs* [11:08] :) === Gwaihir_ [n=Gwaihir@ppp-30-91.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:17] mpt: you'll probably like PageHits too === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-30-91.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === XiXaQ_ [n=joerlend@237-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc === tristanbob [n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:49] is there a documentation template for the wiki? [11:49] tristanbob: yes [11:50] I am creating a new page and I see many templates... nothing that jumps out at me [11:50] are you on the correct wiki? [11:50] not sure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [11:50] no :) [11:50] that's the developers wiki. The documentation wiki is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community (you should move any documentation you've created on the developers wiki there) [11:50] I am not clear on the two wikis - I thought one was development (wiki) and help.ubuntu.com was production [11:51] what is the purpose of wiki.ubuntu.com vs help.ubuntu.com? (link?) [11:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs [11:51] thanks - I will read [11:51] :) [11:52] anyhow, the template is named DocumentationTemplate [11:52] try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MyNewPage [11:52] thanks, I was just wondering how to create that [11:52] on the left [11:52] normally I do it from my wiki page [11:52] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/PageCreation [11:52] I'm bombarding you with links this evening :) [11:53] good stuff in WikiGuide, check it out [11:53] will do [11:54] how about a good title (I'm sure that is in the reading but...) [11:54] MountingNovellNetworkDrives [11:54] sounds fine; yeah, some basic tips on the PageCreation page [11:54] nothing very far away from common sense though [11:56] great. Thanks for your time, mdke [11:57] np [11:57] tristanbob: congrats on your membership [11:58] thanks - it is not official yet (waiting for Mako) [11:58] oh yeah. Sure that won't be a problem [11:59] if I may ask a non-doc question: should I tell users to mount network drives to /mnt ? is that the right place? === mdke shrugs, no technical knowledge here! [11:59] :) heheh, well it is a wiki and not written in stone [12:00] yep. I think that it's appropriate, myself, but I'm not an expert [12:00] removable drives go to /media, but network drives seem different to me [12:00] there will be some spec on it somewhere === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] mdke: should I be on the ubuntu-doc team if I only make infrequent wiki entries? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.232] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] tristanbob: wikiteam is available for your joining pleasure if you are going to stick around a bit [12:17] ubuntu-doc is just for our repository really