[12:38] <mdke> can someone try editing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes please?
[12:42] <Laser_away> "You are not allowed to view this page."
[12:42] <mdke> to view??
[12:42] <mdke> you can't even see it?
[12:42] <somerville32> "You are not allowed to view this page."
[12:42] <Laser_away> mdke: nope
[12:42] <somerville32> mdke: nope
[12:43] <Laser_away> I'm logged in too
[12:43] <mdke> wtf
[12:43] <somerville32> Me too
[12:43] <somerville32> or wait
[12:43] <somerville32> no, I'm not
[12:43] <mdke> that makes no sense
[12:44] <mdke> how about now?
[12:45] <LaserJock> nope
[12:45] <mdke> ffs
[12:46] <mdke> now, surely?
[12:48] <mdke> help! LaserJock
[12:48] <mdke> somerville32!
[12:48] <mdke> stupid Moin
[12:48] <somerville32> :)
[12:48] <somerville32> "You are not allowed to view this page."
[12:48] <mdke> any browser caching or something?
[12:49] <mdke> alright, I'll better test the bugger myself
[12:49] <somerville32> I cleared the cache
[12:49] <somerville32> still not working
[12:50] <LaserJock> still no workie
[12:51] <mdke> ok, now you can view it
[12:51] <mdke> how about editing it?
[12:52] <LaserJock> I can see it
[12:52] <LaserJock> no editing
[12:52] <LaserJock> "immutable Page"
[12:52] <mdke> phew
[12:52] <mdke> god Moin is a PITA
[12:52] <LaserJock> I even tried to put the edit url in
[12:52] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:53] <mdke> thanks for your help, both
[12:55] <somerville32> np :)
[12:58] <LaserJock> mdke: "those who can't, test" ;-)
[01:03] <LaserJock> my goodness, a lot of people edit Mark's wiki page
[04:07] <nixternal> Kubuntu Makefile is working again :)
[04:30] <linuxphotogeek_> svn help anyone?
[04:32] <nixternal> whats up?
[04:32] <linuxphotogeek_> Is there a way to change or add to a 'commit' message?
[04:32] <nixternal> edubuntu docs updated and ready for building
[04:32] <nixternal> LaserJock: ^^
[04:32] <nixternal> well i guess i could do them as well :)
[04:33] <nixternal> svn commit -m "commit message"
[04:33] <nixternal> linuxphotogeek_: ^^
[04:34] <linuxphotogeek_> I've already committed using esvn and it had a message selected
[04:34] <linuxphotogeek_> I didn't notice unitl too late
[04:34] <nixternal> ah, i don't know about esvn, im a command line user.
[04:34] <nixternal> i'm sure there is a way to do so though
[04:37] <LaserJock> linuxphotogeek_: I don't think you can just post-edit the comments
[04:37] <LaserJock> nixternal: excelent
[04:38] <linuxphotogeek_> I guess I could make a trival change and recommit but seems messy
[04:38] <nixternal> so now it seems all of our docs are building again!!!
[04:38] <nixternal> mdke rocks!
[04:42] <LaserJock> nixternal: hmm, so should I add the debian/ dir to edubuntu/ like ubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:43] <nixternal> i would do it like ubuntu, not kubuntu since we build all of our xml to html for KHelpCenter
[04:43] <nixternal> which I am going to fix for the next release (feisty+1)
[04:43] <LaserJock> well, but I mean adding the packaging to the doc team repo
[04:43] <nixternal> all kubuntu docs will end with .docbook so we don't have to build them seperately
[04:43] <nixternal> LaserJock: yes
[04:44] <nixternal> you know the packaging stuff better than i do, and i feel more comfortable having you at least start it, then i will ahve no problem maintaining it
[05:26] <somerville32> Does help.u.c have a newer version of the MoinMoin then wiki.u.c ?
[05:27] <LaserJock> it's possible
[09:50] <mdke> somerville32: no, same version
[09:50] <mdke> somerville32: Moin versione.
[09:50] <mdke> versions*
[09:50] <somerville32> ah
[09:50] <mdke> somerville32: you can get system and version info from SystemInfo on moin wikis, for future interest
[09:51] <somerville32> kk, thanks
[09:57] <mdke> linuxphotogeek: nice work!
[10:14] <mpt> !!!!!!
[10:14] <mpt> Thank you for that tip!
[10:14] <mpt> I have been wondering that for years
[10:14] <mpt> Now I can understand the differences in the various wikis Canonical uses
[04:17] <alefteris> is it possible to create a table without borders or define its color at the ubuntu wiki?
[04:29] <willvdl> alefteris, it is. just looking up the references
[04:35] <willvdl> darn, could have sworn I did it somewhere
[04:36] <alefteris> willvdl, you mean about the borders? i looked the wiki help about formating and i didnt find anything. Is it possible to set it with css styles?
[04:41] <willvdl> alefteris, could be, haven't tried. Sorry, thought I knew how to do it but can't seem to get it right
[06:56] <willvdl> nixternal ping
[06:56] <nixternal> pongidy pong pong
[06:56] <nixternal> I'm popular this morning
[06:56] <willvdl> you are?
[06:56] <nixternal> ya, everyone is pinging me
[06:56] <willvdl> maybe they like the way you respond
[06:56] <nixternal> hehe
[06:57] <willvdl> I'm helping out with a conference in nigeria and am looking for some nice videos
[06:57] <willvdl> Tutorials, Freedom, Demo type things
[06:58] <willvdl> got any favourates?
[06:58] <nixternal> hmm
[06:58] <nixternal> ya, actually i do
[06:58] <nixternal> let me grab a link
[06:59] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1x7xPUA5YM
[06:59] <nixternal> that is a great video of 2 great leaders in Open Source
[07:00] <willvdl> ooh. cool
[07:00] <willvdl> gonna need to download a bunch of these things. west africa is not big on connectivity
[07:00] <nixternal> willvdl: i recommend you watch that one first to see if it qualifies
[07:00] <nixternal> it is Jeff and Pia Waugh :)
[07:01] <nixternal> and was a joke by the way ;p
[07:01] <willvdl> yeah I noticed :)
[07:01] <nixternal> lol
[07:01] <nixternal> for tutorials, i would say talk to popey as he is the Ubuntu Video Tutorial Master!
[07:02] <willvdl> groovy
[07:02] <nixternal> for demos, there were some on http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[07:02] <willvdl> I've got go-open campaign DVDs as well which are quite nice
[07:03] <nixternal> that will definitely help
[07:03] <nixternal> is there a link for those DVDs at all?
[07:06] <willvdl> ooh, lemme check
[07:09] <willvdl> it's a collection from the tv show
[07:09] <willvdl> http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/
[07:10] <nixternal> thanks
[07:10] <willvdl> can't find links to the video though
[07:11] <willvdl> ah http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/
[07:11] <nixternal> ya, just found them :)
[07:15] <willvdl> my word my kubuntu is unstable today
[07:16] <willvdl> kaffeine wont play the dvd, kmail crashed 3 times and kopete does weird things to my text
[07:16] <willvdl> I liked this one http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOlrKH3SmtI
[07:17] <nixternal> i love my kubuntu stability :)
[07:19] <nixternal> OMG WOW1
[07:19] <nixternal> ! too :)
[07:19] <willvdl> wouldn't play the DVD if I had videos open in firefox
[07:19] <willvdl> don't get me wrong, I love all untus. just today I had probs
[07:20] <nixternal> my only problems are the latest feisty images not booting for me
[07:21] <nixternal> im going to try a live cd now
[07:24] <willvdl> erm, I'm an idiot. Is there any way to download videos off ubuntuvideo?
[07:26] <nixternal> i use a script called gentube from kde-apps.org
[07:27] <nixternal> the ubuntuvideos are pretty much all youtube
[07:28] <nixternal> hrmm, and obviously gentube doesn't work
[07:28] <willvdl> flash videos
[07:28] <willvdl> mostly?
[07:30] <nixternal> http://www.youtubex.com/
[07:30] <nixternal> ya they are mostly flash videos, especially if they are youtube videos
[07:31] <willvdl> ok, that link helps
[07:31] <willvdl> what do you reckon will happen to quality if I convert format?
[07:32] <nixternal> dunno, going to try that now
[07:38] <willvdl> hmm, youtubex doesn't like rewritten urls
[07:40] <nixternal> i can't figure out how to convert this video
[07:44] <willvdl> what you using?
[07:44] <nixternal> nothing yet
[07:44] <willvdl> try choosing an application :P
[07:45] <nixternal> dunno which one to use, im a newb when it comes to this sort of stuff
[08:03] <popey> hello willvdl nixternal
[08:03] <willvdl> hey
[08:04] <popey> i suspect nixternal was referring to http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/
[08:04] <willvdl> just trolling for videos/tutorials to showcase at a conference
[08:04] <willvdl> yip, I imagine
[08:05] <popey> when is the conference?
[08:05] <nixternal> i am not having any luck converting flv files
[08:05] <mdke> mpt: hugs
[08:05] <popey> nixternal: ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.mpeg  ?
[08:05] <willvdl> popey, perhaps you could explain to me how to download a google video? just can't seem to get it right
[08:05] <popey> i have never downloaded a google video
[08:05] <popey> are you after one in particular?
[08:05] <nixternal> popey: how come it says i need to download adobe flash when i goto /screencasts?
[08:05] <popey> one of mine? or someone elses?
[08:05] <willvdl> popey, is there any loss of quality in that conversion?
[08:06] <popey> willvdl: no, flv is already crap :)
[08:06] <nixternal> lol
[08:06] <popey> nixternal: because the screencasts are in flash format
[08:06] <willvdl> do you have better quality versions somewhere?
[08:06] <popey> but if you click the title you get a page where you can download the ogg or mpeg
[08:06] <nixternal> hrmm, interesting, i have flash already installed
[08:06] <popey> yes, the mpeg2 - the biggest ones, are the best quality
[08:06] <willvdl> woohoo
[08:07] <popey> text is nice and readable at 1024x768
[08:07] <popey> when is the conference ?
[08:07] <popey> if you have any particular things you would like to see, do let me know
[08:07] <willvdl> 12-22 MArch
[08:07] <popey> plenty of time ;)
[08:07] <willvdl> well, it's actually for the legal fraternity with some members from the pan-african parliament
[08:08] <willvdl> so any real techy stuff will get lost
[08:08] <willvdl> but the conference is on a legal informatics framework so they are somewhat tech-savvy
[08:09] <popey> well if there are specific apps they use - maybe windows ones you would like to run under wine?
[08:09] <popey> or maybe show off some linux equiv of a windows app they use, let me know
[08:09] <willvdl> linux equiv is good
[08:09] <popey> yeah, preferable
[08:09] <willvdl> don't like the wine idea, too confusing
[08:09] <popey> but you always get someone ask for an app that doesn't work
[08:10] <popey> well, I have actually already made one about wine
[08:10] <popey> shows how to get a wine app working
[08:10] <willvdl> true but wine causes headaches
[08:10] <popey> no command lines in sight :)
[08:10] <popey> true
[08:10] <willvdl> and loss of motor-function
[08:10] <willvdl> but I do find it helps me ride a bicycle better
[08:11] <popey> well, the offer is there, let me know if you want something specific demoe
[08:11] <popey> +d
[08:11] <willvdl> excellent. going to go through screencasts and see
[08:11] <willvdl> so the mpeg2 files are best quality
[08:11] <willvdl> and the oggs?
[08:11] <popey> yes
[08:11] <popey> ogg isn't far behind the mpeg2 in terms of quality
[08:12] <popey> and you get the bonus that you're playing using a free codec :)
[08:12] <willvdl> exactly
[08:12] <popey> if you run the ogg full screen at more than about 6 inches away I doubt anyone would notice
[08:13] <popey> unless you are projecting this on a wall in which case 6 inches probably isn't a good viewing distance :)
[08:13] <willvdl> probably going to put them on some kind of big screen
[08:13] <willvdl> not projecting but somewhere between 21" and 72"
[08:27] <willvdl> popey, thinking about tuts: key apps that get showcased are usually: email, browser, office
[08:28] <willvdl> the others that people love to see are: photos, music and IM/VOIP
[08:28] <nixternal> some odd reason, my flashplugin was nixed
[08:29] <willvdl> plugged out so to speak?
[08:29] <nixternal> hehe ya
[08:29] <willvdl> been waiting years to use that one
[08:29] <willvdl> finally I die contented
[08:29] <willvdl> can die rather
[08:29] <nixternal> lol
[08:29] <nixternal> i need a maid
[08:30] <nixternal> my dog has trashed my wood floors, and im to into writing up the Herd 2 release notes for Kubuntu :)
[08:45] <willvdl> urg, trying to play one of the screencast oggs but I only get sound but no video
[08:47] <mdke> my media players crash on them
[09:08] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[09:09] <theCore> LaserJock: I did some changes to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[09:09] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[09:09] <LaserJock> sorry I haven't been able to finish that
[09:09] <LaserJock> I've been to the dentist
[09:10] <theCore> hehe, excuses accepted :P
[09:10] <mdke> clearly a lie
[09:10] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:11] <LaserJock> you'd see a fresh temporary for a new crown
[09:11] <mdke> yeah, nice
[09:11] <LaserJock> this is my 5th crown in a year
[09:11] <LaserJock> that's what I get for not going to the dentist for 5 years
[09:14] <mdke> heh
[09:14] <mdke> it evens out in the end
[09:15] <LaserJock> still got one to go
[09:15] <LaserJock> and a bunch of fillings
[09:15] <LaserJock> and the uni doesn't provide dental insurance so it's rather expensive
[09:17] <LaserJock> theCore: I like your changes
[09:17] <theCore> LaserJock: thanks
[09:17] <LaserJock> theCore: I'm going to go mess it up a bit
[09:17] <LaserJock> but I like it
[09:17] <popey> willvdl: those are all on the to-do list, should have them done before march :)
[09:18] <willvdl> excellent!
[09:18] <willvdl> mdke ping
[09:18] <theCore> LaserJock: that is just an outline, the real work is doing those changes
[09:18] <theCore> LaserJock: hopefully, I will have some time to do them
[09:19] <mdke> willvdl: cheeky escape of my ping response
[09:19] <willvdl> better than nixternal's pingedy pong pong
[09:19] <willvdl> Just been thinking around low-bandwidth countries
[09:20] <willvdl> could we somehow add functionality to h.u.c to easily download the howto's in one foul swoop?
[09:20] <LaserJock> theCore: yeah
[09:20] <mdke> willvdl: we could do it with the wiki. As for the other part, it's shipped with the system already
[09:20] <mdke> willvdl: it would be *very* big though
[09:21] <willvdl> how big is very?
[09:21] <willvdl> it's all text...
[09:21] <willvdl> I mean the /community docs specifically
[09:22] <mdke> hmm. Dunno how big actually
[09:23] <mdke> we could try
[09:23] <mdke> we used to do it for the italian wiki, before it broke
[09:23] <mdke> http://help.ubuntu-it.org/wiki/ubuntu-it-wiki.tar
[09:24] <mdke> that's only about 1.1mb
[09:24] <willvdl> hmmm. could be extremely useful for some of the places I work with...
[09:24] <willvdl> like a good old wikipedia snapshot - h.u.c/community snapshot
[09:24] <mdke> ok, I'll investigate further
[09:24] <willvdl> thanks
[09:25] <mdke> can you code?
[09:25] <willvdl> used to code a lot but I got better
[09:25] <mdke> :)
[09:25] <mdke> I recollect the tool being a bit dodgy, I'll call on you if I can't understand something :)
[09:26] <willvdl> never really delved much into web-apps though. mainly embedded stuff and protocols
[09:26] <mdke> bbl
[11:03] <mpt> mdke, *delayed hugs*
[11:08] <mdke> :)
[11:17] <mdke> mpt: you'll probably like PageHits too
[11:49] <tristanbob> is there a documentation template for the wiki?
[11:49] <mdke> tristanbob: yes
[11:50] <tristanbob> I am creating a new page and I see many templates... nothing that jumps out at me
[11:50] <mdke> are you on the correct wiki?
[11:50] <tristanbob> not sure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[11:50] <mdke> no :)
[11:50] <mdke> that's the developers wiki. The documentation wiki is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community (you should move any documentation you've created on the developers wiki there)
[11:50] <tristanbob> I am not clear on the two wikis - I thought one was development (wiki) and help.ubuntu.com was production
[11:51] <tristanbob> what is the purpose of wiki.ubuntu.com vs help.ubuntu.com?  (link?)
[11:51] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs
[11:51] <tristanbob> thanks - I will read
[11:51] <mdke> :)
[11:52] <mdke> anyhow, the template is named DocumentationTemplate
[11:52] <mdke> try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MyNewPage
[11:52] <tristanbob> thanks, I was just wondering how to create that
[11:52] <mdke> on the left
[11:52] <tristanbob> normally I do it from my wiki page
[11:52] <mdke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/PageCreation
[11:52] <mdke> I'm bombarding you with links this evening :)
[11:53] <mdke> good stuff in WikiGuide, check it out
[11:53] <tristanbob> will do
[11:54] <tristanbob> how about a good title (I'm sure that is in the reading but...)
[11:54] <tristanbob> MountingNovellNetworkDrives
[11:54] <mdke> sounds fine; yeah, some basic tips on the PageCreation page
[11:54] <mdke> nothing very far away from common sense though
[11:56] <tristanbob> great.  Thanks for your time, mdke
[11:57] <mdke> np
[11:57] <mdke> tristanbob: congrats on your membership
[11:58] <tristanbob> thanks - it is not official yet (waiting for Mako)
[11:58] <mdke> oh yeah. Sure that won't be a problem
[11:59] <tristanbob> if I may ask a non-doc question:  should I tell users to mount network drives to /mnt ? is that the right place?
[11:59] <tristanbob> :) heheh, well it is a wiki and not written in stone
[12:00] <mdke> yep. I think that it's appropriate, myself, but I'm not an expert
[12:00] <mdke> removable drives go to /media, but network drives seem different to me
[12:00] <mdke> there will be some spec on it somewhere
[12:16] <tristanbob> mdke: should I be on the ubuntu-doc team if I only make infrequent wiki entries?
[12:16] <mdke> tristanbob: wikiteam is available for your joining pleasure if you are going to stick around a bit
[12:17] <mdke> ubuntu-doc is just for our repository really