[03:10] <lotusleaf> a voice from above says "Kubuntu"
[03:10] <lotusleaf> and you weep with joy
[04:43] <pitti> hi
[04:43] <kylem> morning pitti
[04:44] <ogra_> hey
[04:44] <dholbach> hiya
[04:50] <cjwatson> afternoon
[04:56] <ogra> yes, thats right ...
[04:56] <doko> hi
[04:57] <Riddell> it's been a while
[04:57] <ogra> yeah ... last year
[04:58] <sfllaw> cjwatson: Hello.
[04:59] <iwj> Hi.  I'll try to keep at least half an eye on here ...
[04:59] <seb128> just for information I need to go around 16:45utc
[05:00] <Mithrandir> pong
[05:00] <cjwatson> let's get started, then
[05:01] <cjwatson> hope you all had a good Christmas break
[05:01] <seb128> very good, thank you ;)
[05:01] <cjwatson> and that everyone is now plugging away towards feature freeze :-)
[05:01] <cjwatson> which is disturbingly soon
[05:01] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: can I go late?  My writeup's not ready yet.
[05:01] <cjwatson> we'll go in wiki page order
[05:02] <cjwatson> BenC: you're first
[05:02] <BenC> ...
[05:02] <BenC> :: Specs
[05:02] <BenC> * driver-device-manager: Kernel patched with disable-auto-binding capability sent to Keybuk for udev integration. UI being worked on.
[05:02] <BenC> * driver-backports: Empty linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 uploaded. Empty packages being built for all kernels on all arches. Next linux-meta upload will have the linux-image-* meta packages depending on these so all systems will download it.
[05:02] <BenC> * ubiquity-driver-updates: NO PROGRESS.
[05:02] <BenC> :: Work for past week
[05:02] <BenC> * 2.6.20-rc4 went in for Herd 2.
[05:02] <BenC> * 2.6.20 bug reports are increasing gradually, hopefully a sign of increased testing and not increased instability. Lots of the bug reports are retests of ones already reported in prior releases, so aren't regressions. Also, 2.6.20 seems to be closing quite a few bugs from edgy/dapper.
[05:02] <BenC> * Testing of paravirt-ops with VMI patches.
[05:02] <BenC> :: Work for next week
[05:02] <BenC> * Get decent driver-device-manager UI ready for sprint demo.
[05:02] <BenC> * ubiquity-driver-updates needs progress.
[05:03] <cjwatson> did I remember to ask you about linux-kernel-crash-dump when we spoke yesterday?
[05:03] <cjwatson> I didn't seem to take notes about it if I did :-(
[05:03] <BenC> yeah, and I forgot to add it
[05:04] <BenC> not much to say
[05:04] <BenC> I need to get the userspace ready, and I have the scripts for it, just need time
[05:04] <cjwatson> ok
[05:04] <cjwatson> Keybuk: is the udev integration in your update, or can you comment on it now?
[05:05] <Riddell> Keybuk said he was having a light IRC day today
[05:05] <cjwatson> he's around
[05:05] <Keybuk> cjwatson: udev integration will be done at the sprint
[05:06] <BenC> Keybuk: is the patch doing what it needs to do?
[05:06] <Keybuk> it's not much work, and would greatly benefit from having people around to help with
[05:06] <cjwatson> there are specs depending on that, aren't there?
[05:06] <Keybuk> BenC: I have no idea
[05:06] <Keybuk> I haven't tested it yet
[05:06] <Keybuk> cjwatson: no specs as such, just a general desire to have it
[05:06] <BenC> Keybuk: driver-device-manager depends on it
[05:06] <BenC> the UI can't really do what it needs as spec'd without the changes to udev/kernel
[05:07] <BenC> otherwise I just have a mod-param editor :)
[05:07] <Riddell> BenC: are you keeping any kind of UI independence in mind when writing driver-device-manager?
[05:08] <BenC> Ridell: I (ab)used hal-driver-manager as a base, which is pygtk...the core functions are a python class though, so the UI is independent
[05:09] <Riddell> that sounds sane, I have a kde-hal-device-manager so a potential future KDE frontend wouldn't be too hard
[05:09] <cjwatson> ok, let's move on and take the rest to #ubuntu-devel
[05:09] <cjwatson> next is me
[05:09] <cjwatson> ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Initial version merged just before Christmas; invokable with 'ubiquity --new-partitioner'. See ubuntu-devel@ for caveats (not pretty, slow, etc.). Please test.
[05:09] <cjwatson> ubiquity-release-notes: Implemented.
[05:09] <cjwatson> ubiquity-automation: Started looking at switching over to GtkAssistant, which obsoletes a lot of the most horrible stuff in ubiquity.frontend.gtkui. Unfortunately glade-3 crashes a bit too much in the presence of this widget. Sent a patch to gtk+ upstream; waiting until that's released before proceeding.
[05:09] <cjwatson> misc: Recruitment, management/HR intro meeting in London, chatting with folks I manage, and lots of other stuff.
[05:10] <cjwatson> also spent a pile of today cleaning up unexpected Herd 2 issues
[05:10] <sfllaw> cjwatson: Thanks for the HR followup.  I had a friend say he was finally re-contacted after a few months.
[05:11] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: do we know who'll be taking over your installer work?
[05:11] <BenC> Mithrandir: are you volunteering? :)
[05:11] <ogra> would you mind holding a little 1-2h workshop in oslo about it ?
[05:11] <ogra> (it == d-i)
[05:11] <Mithrandir> BenC: I'm doing release management and archive admin, so no.
[05:12] <Riddell> cjwatson: what's the status of ubiquity slideshow and migration assistant?
[05:13] <iwj> How about holding a kind of d-i induction thingum at the sprint ?
[05:13] <cjwatson> sure, I can try
[05:13] <cjwatson> Riddell: slideshow> no progress, migration-assistant> Evan says it should be mergeable soon
[05:13] <iwj> cjwatson: You could count me in too.
[05:13] <cjwatson> I'll add it to the agenda
[05:14] <cjwatson> sfllaw: we're gradually cranking through the backlog
[05:14] <cjwatson> phone; somebody go next
[05:15] <sfllaw> Me.
[05:15] <dholbach> i guess that's me
[05:15] <dholbach> wiki order?
[05:15] <ogra> wiki order :)
[05:15] <sfllaw> dholbach: Go.
[05:15] <dholbach> Done
[05:15] <dholbach>  * GNOME 2.17.5
[05:15] <dholbach>  * catching up with loads of mails
[05:15] <dholbach>  * bug triage
[05:15] <dholbach>  * artwork packaging coaching - first user!
[05:15] <dholbach>  * work on the art-builder
[05:15] <dholbach>  * worked on bughelper (holiday hacking)
[05:15] <dholbach> To do
[05:15] <dholbach>  * finish prio 1 goals for art-builder and help write some documentation
[05:15] <dholbach>  * more bug triage
[05:15] <dholbach>  * work on bughelper and finish the new file format (and write documentation on how to use it)
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[05:16] <Riddell> dholbach: what's bughelper?
[05:16] <dholbach> bughelper will be a tool that hopefully everybody in the bugsquad will empty his/her brain in to
[05:16] <sfllaw> *plop*
[05:16] <Riddell> bit harry potter that :)
[05:16] <dholbach> so that you can run     bughelper <LP URL>   and it gives out messages on certain bugs
[05:17] <dholbach> like bugs they might be dups of, general questions you might want to ask, etc
[05:17] <ogra> so its an xml-rpc client for malone ?
[05:17] <dholbach> atm it does HTLM
[05:17] <dholbach> HTML
[05:17] <dholbach> but we hope to get xml dumps soon
[05:17] <cjwatson> expediency++
[05:17] <dholbach> thanks a lot heno for starting it
[05:18] <mvo> empty brain? its strong liquor?
[05:18] <heno> just did the first brain dump :)
[05:18] <ogra> cjwatson, was that a name suggestion ?
[05:18] <dholbach> Riddell: we'll have harry potter release names for it - thanks for the suggestion :-)
[05:19] <seb128> cjwatson: can I go next? my update is quite similar to Daniel's one, and I've to go around 16:45utc, not sure that will be my turn before
[05:19] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper
[05:19] <cjwatson> seb128: yes
[05:19] <sfllaw> dholbach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spells_in_Harry_Potter
[05:19] <dholbach> sfllaw: I know them all ;-)
[05:19] <dholbach> sfllaw: seb128 too :)
[05:19] <sfllaw> OMG.
[05:19] <cjwatson> dholbach: thanks (and thanks for bughelper, I continue to hope to use it soon :-))
[05:19] <cjwatson> seb128: go
[05:19] <seb128> Done:
[05:19] <seb128>  GNOME 2.17.5
[05:19] <seb128>  started bugs and mails catching up
[05:19] <seb128>  gstreamer updates for easy-codec-installation
[05:19] <seb128> .
[05:19] <seb128> Next week:
[05:19] <seb128>  keep catching up with bugs and mails
[05:19] <seb128>  work on tab-consistency
[05:20] <seb128>  work on easy-codec-insallation
[05:20] <seb128>  review compiz patches and update to the new version
[05:21] <mvo> seb128: what is that plan with tab-consitency? will you try to push some api changes upstream?
[05:21] <seb128> mvo: let me look at it before pushing things upstream, but yes, I would not like to have to keep distribution specific changes for it
[05:22] <seb128> mvo: we can have a look at it during the sprint if you are interested ;)
[05:22] <cjwatson> the API in the spec doesn't look totally un-upstreamable
[05:22] <mvo> seb128: I am
[05:22] <cjwatson> has GTK upstream API-frozen yet?
[05:22] <cjwatson> if so we should at least try to agree it with them for the future ...
[05:22] <seb128> cjwatson: GNOME 2.18 will ship with GTK 2.10.n and I doubt they will change that for 2.10
[05:23] <seb128> we can keep patches until 2.12 though
[05:23] <seb128> yeah, I'll speak with them before doing anything
[05:23] <cjwatson> oh, of course, GTK 2.10 has already finished, right
[05:24] <cjwatson> seb128: thanks
[05:24] <cjwatson> fabbione: next
[05:24] <fabbione> Done:
[05:24] <fabbione> * sparc64-installer: implemented. fixed 2 bugs after archive freeze that didn't make the cd. Need to test one more installation case that did occour to my head only today and requires to download some Solaris iso's.
[05:24] <fabbione> * streched my wings on -certification/-support procedures. LP privileges and stuff like that.
[05:24] <fabbione> * sparc64-stabilization: spent a day debugging parted_server crash on Niagara.
[05:24] <fabbione> * sparc64-64-bit-apps: fixed glibc sparc64 libpthread linking. SRU is waiting QA and the usual 7 days staging in -proposed.
[05:24] <fabbione> * ubuntu-feisty-ha-cluster: updated openais. redhat-cluster-suite pending archive re-opening. GFS1 is still doomed. Upstream is not porting to .19/.20 yet because it's a royal mess but they will have to do it.
[05:24] <fabbione> * sparc64-niagara-ssl-accelerator: needs reassignment.
[05:24] <fabbione> * integrity-check: needs reassignment.
[05:24] <fabbione> * tested different kernel bits. (HI BEN! :))
[05:25] <fabbione> TODO
[05:25] <fabbione>  * test ubuntu-feisty-ha-cluster. cleanup redhat-cluster-suite init scripts a bit. tons of init updates from upstream needs merging.
[05:25] <fabbione>  * prepare for Oslo.
[05:25] <cjwatson> Keybuk: reassignment's probably within your team, unless the niagara stuff belongs with kernel folks?
[05:25] <fabbione> cjwatson: niagara -> kernel
[05:26] <Keybuk> cjwatson: it's a kernel thing; but we haven't yet discussed who it would be perfect for
[05:26] <cjwatson> fabbione: does anyone in the team other than you have the hardware?
[05:26] <Keybuk> obviously that person would need the Niagara hardware
[05:26] <fabbione> cjwatson: Montreal has 2 Niagara
[05:26] <cjwatson> kylem: are you interested?
[05:26] <fabbione> and there is no need to have hw in place. remote access is fine
[05:27] <cjwatson> I don't think it would be high priority for Kyle, but if he has a bit of time ...
[05:27] <kylem> cjwatson, i've not looked into it since uds, so can i say something non-committal, like "tentatively"? :)
[05:27] <fabbione> kylem: no changes since.
[05:27] <cjwatson> kylem: sure, I won't hold you to it
[05:27] <cjwatson> kylem: but if you could investigate and let me know roughly how much work you think it would be, that would be good
[05:28] <kylem> ok.
[05:29] <cjwatson> fabbione: thanks
[05:29] <cjwatson> heno: next
[05:29] <heno> * multi-lingual-speech -- good progress on the gnome-speech eSpeak driver
[05:29] <heno> * gdm-accessibility -- Upstream testers report Orca sworking with GDM
[05:29] <heno> * a11y-other -- gnome-mag should be rebuilt with composite
[05:29] <heno> * a11y-future -- started working with a group at TU Karlsruhe that has just received govt. funding to improve a11y in Ubuntu
[05:29] <heno> * forum-based ISO testing - 40-odd people have 'signed up' to test, though only 2 ISO test has come in so far. The fast turnover of testing may be a problem. Post-release testing has it's value too at this early release, so I'll encourage that to help build a team. See: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201
[05:29] <heno> * forum-other -- I attended to first Forum Council meeting and continue to work with the Forum Ambassadors team.
[05:29] <heno> * launchpad-contact - If you haven't done so already, please add you favourite small LP bugs to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamLPWishList -- I've also invited matthewrevell along today for Q&A
[05:30] <matthewrevell> Hello
[05:30] <dholbach> heno: I'll have a look at gnome-mag
[05:30] <cjwatson> I'm hoping to review the ISO testing work after Herd 2 is out
[05:31] <cjwatson> I think time is probably too short to familiarise myself with it first, this time round
[05:31] <heno> cjwatson: I'm sure it will need some tweaking
[05:31] <cjwatson> though I'll have a glance in case there's anything obvious
[05:31] <heno> I would expect a gradual start
[05:31] <cjwatson> Karlsruhe> I have an item on the distro sprint agenda to make contact with them while we're all there
[05:32] <heno> I'm keeping my eye on new reports coming in
[05:32] <cjwatson> we should make an effort to draw them into our development community
[05:32] <heno> cjwatson: perhaps two days after their meeting, that will be a very busy time for them
[05:32] <heno> they are still figuring out what to do
[05:33] <heno> My father will make a presentation on my behalf there
[05:33] <cjwatson> heno: feel free to CC me on discussions with them; I'd like to keep informed on that
[05:33] <heno> cjwatson: cool, will do
[05:34] <cjwatson> matthewrevell: we'll get through the usual updates, and come to you at the end, if that's ok
[05:34] <cjwatson> heno: thanks
[05:34] <cjwatson> iwj: next?
[05:34] <matthewrevell> cjwatson: Yeah, that sound s great
[05:34] <Keybuk> I have a paste from iwj, if he's not here?
[05:35] <cjwatson> Keybuk: go ahead, for speed
 Hi.  I'll try to keep at least half an eye on here ... <= not enough eyes, apparently
[05:35] <Keybuk> Done: gnome-app-install-codecs - this is now pretty much implemented but it needs to be properly deployed and integration tested.  mvo is reviewing my changes.  Thanks also to Tim Mueller and seb for their work on easy-codec-installation (the upper of the two layers in this linked pair of specs).
[05:35] <Keybuk> To do: automated-testing-deployment - just picked this up today again.  Thanks to mvo for helpful contributions regarding integration with apt.
[05:35] <Keybuk> Blocked: winmodem-support - Decision needs to be made (by Tech board?) about nonfree drivers.  (Please let us not go down the binary driver rathole on this one!)
[05:35] <Keybuk> Unchanged since before Christmas: consistent-login-screen.
[05:37] <Keybuk> iwj: the decision about non-free drivers has already been made
[05:37] <pitti> what was the outcome?
[05:37] <Keybuk> where there is no free alternative, we will ship non-free drivers and/or firmware in restricted
[05:38] <cjwatson> s/will/may/
[05:38] <ogra> as we always did ?
[05:38] <cjwatson> the decision was that we will decide on a case-by-case basis
[05:38] <cjwatson> (if that makes sense)
[05:38] <cjwatson> we didn't take a blanket decision to ship all possible non-free drivers for which there is no free alternative
[05:39] <cjwatson> at least, that's my fairly clear memory from the call ...
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[05:39] <Riddell> back
[05:39] <cjwatson> we can take the drivers discussion elsewhere, I suppose, for when iwj gets back
[05:39] <cjwatson> iwj: thanks
[05:40] <cjwatson> Riddell: next
[05:40] <Riddell> done: herd 2 ready to go
[05:40] <Riddell>       kubuntu-update-manager: started, progressing well, although not got to the more tricky parts yet
[05:40] <Riddell>       kubuntu-feisty-ubiquity: qt 4 port complete and working well
[05:40] <Riddell> todo: kubuntu-update-manager
[05:40] <mvo> Riddell: is there anything to look at/merge for kubutnu-update-manager yet?
[05:40] <Riddell> mvo: not yet, probably after the weekend though
[05:41] <mvo> Riddell: nice! we should have a session at oslo together too
[05:41] <Riddell> definately
[05:42] <cjwatson> Riddell: thanks
[05:43] <cjwatson> kylem: next
[05:43] <kylem> Done:
[05:43] <kylem>   * Merged backports into the -proposed kernels
[05:43] <kylem>   * linux-source-2.6.17 (2.6.17.1-50.50) uploaded to edgy-proposed
[05:43] <kylem>   * linux-source-2.6.15 (2.6.15-50.60) uploaded to dapper-proposed
[05:43] <kylem>   * sky2 patches for {edgy,dapper}-security
[05:43] <cjwatson> (is kwwii still attending these meetings?)
[05:43] <kylem>   * scsi-scan patch for dapper-security
[05:43] <kylem> In Progress:
[05:43] <kylem>   * MODULE_FIRMWARE annotations for drivers in ubuntu/
[05:43] <kylem> Todo:
[05:43] <kylem>   * Merge dapper-security into dapper-proposed kernels and re-upload
[05:43] <cjwatson> hmm, I should check that Soyuz will be able to handle -proposed >> -updates
[05:44] <cjwatson> in terms of versions
[05:44] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I have a RL meeting in about 15 minutes, can I go after Kyle?
[05:44] <Riddell> cjwatson: no kwwii at the moment, but may well be again soon
[05:44] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: yes
[05:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: ok
[05:45] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: if you could review the -proposed uploads at the next convenient time, that would be good
[05:46] <cjwatson> kylem: thanks
[05:46] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: next
[05:46] <Mithrandir> network-roaming: poked at it, simple enough, got preempted by herd 2
[05:46] <Mithrandir> changelog-closes-bugs: to be done at sprint
[05:46] <Mithrandir> grub2: to be given to iwj; no progress
[05:46] <Mithrandir> misc: herd 2 almost there, source NEW almost completely emptied
[05:46] <Mithrandir> there's a bunch of archive stuff to do; I'll do that once I'm done with herd 2.
[05:46] <kylem> Mithrandir, ignore the one in dapper-proposed, i need to upload a new one b/c i forgot the security.
[05:46] <cjwatson> $beer{Mithrandir}++ for source NEW
[05:46] <Riddell> Mithrandir: ETA for herd 2?
[05:46] <Mithrandir> Riddell: tonight, assuming I can find somebody to test ppc desktop CD.
[05:46] <Mithrandir> else, tomorrow
[05:47] <Riddell> Mithrandir: I'll download it now, I want to get this thing out :)
[05:47] <Mithrandir> kylem: ignore or reject?
[05:47] <Mithrandir> Riddell: yay, thanks.
[05:47] <seb128> I've to go, bbl
[05:47] <cjwatson> seb128: ok
[05:48] <Mithrandir> publisher run is almost finished, I'll build livefs-es and the live ISOs after that.
[05:48] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: thanks, good luck with the rest of the milestone
[05:48] <cjwatson> pitti: next
[05:48] <kylem> Mithrandir, whichever.
[05:48] <pitti> Done:
[05:48] <pitti>  * bug-reporting-tool: version with manual apport file upload is in feisty; version with Launchpad cloakroom upload is ready in apport-cloakroom branch, waiting for Malone to actually get along with those blobs (Bjorn asserted that this will work by the sprint)
[05:48] <pitti>  * increase-hwdb-participation: some initial discussion with cjwatson and ogra, need more discussion with cjwatson; <rant>This is a very poor spec without any implementation bits *at all*; how did this make it to approved?</rant>
[05:48] <ogra> i have to see how myuch time my ill dog demands from me, but if i find time i'll test as well
[05:48] <pitti>  * lots of apport refactorization and UI redesign: now it's much more robust code, ui workflow is covered by regression tests, and easily portable to other UIs (Qt/CLI/etc.)
[05:48] <pitti>  * SRU bug 59946 (gnome-system-tools): uploaded fix for regression in g-s-t to -proposed; waiting for cjwatson to accept upload
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/59946
[05:48] <pitti>  * SRU bug 72125 (tzdata): edgy is in -proposed; dapper upload done, needs to be accepted
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72125 in tzdata "Daylight Saving changes in Western Australia" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72125
[05:48] <pitti>  * took a look at printerdrake for making a test Ubuntu package; unfortunately the Mandrake lib is unbuildable on Ubuntu, so for redesigning the UI we need to use Mdk live CDs
[05:48] <pitti>  * lots of apport and hal bug fixing
[05:48] <pitti>  * got through my some-2000 bug emails, and went through all hal bugs, triaged them, and fixed the low-hanging fruit
[05:48] <pitti>  * herd-2 testing on amd64 and powerpc
[05:49] <pitti> To Do:
[05:49] <pitti>  * update langpacks for stables (this was postponed due to some Rosetta bugs, but they are fixed now); I need -proposed guru love for that again
[05:49] <pitti>  * finish g-s-t and tzdata SRUs, do similar SRU for python-tz
[05:49] <pitti>  * fix broken PtP cameras in edgy-proposed
[05:49] <pitti>  * do pending security uploads while Kees is on LCA
[05:49] <pitti>  * do my share of universe merges
[05:49] <pitti>  * apport: abstract and refactor ubuntu specific bits (dpkg, malone) into separate classes, call for a discussion with Gnome, KDE, and some other distros about more widespread adoption
[05:49] <pitti>  * holiday from next Wednesday to Friday, will be on the sprint on time, though
[05:49] <iwj> cjwatson, Keybuk: I shouldn't be interrupted again, so we can talk about drivers whenever you feel like it ...
[05:50] <cjwatson> pitti: increase-hwdb-participation> ogra would really be a better person for further discussion; it was initially assigned to me because we thought it would be an installer spec, but it turned out not to be; ogra knows much more about the hwdb bits than I
[05:51] <pitti> cjwatson: I know; I mainly refered to negotiating the set debconf key, figuring out which users to notify/how to set a global lock, etc.
[05:51] <cjwatson> ah, right, sure, any time you like
[05:51] <ogra> cjwatson, but thats only about providing a popup on new nstalls
[05:51] <pitti> cjwatson: if we have some time at the sprint, we can do it htere
[05:51] <ogra> hwdb-overhaul might be my terrain
[05:51] <cjwatson> SRUs> bugger. I have the next hour free and WILL do those two then.
[05:52] <cjwatson> pitti: sprint> sure, sounds good
[05:52] <cjwatson> pitti: thanks
[05:52] <cjwatson> doko: next
[05:52] <doko> last and this week:
[05:52] <doko>  - openoffice.org: updates to 2.1, prepared security updates
[05:52] <doko>    for breezy, dapper (not necessary for edgy), ooo-amd64 need
[05:52] <doko>    to be done.
[05:52] <doko>  - feisty-toolchain: build binutils from FSF sources again,
[05:52] <doko>    update gcc-4.1 to current CVS. 4.1.2 will be released end
[05:52] <doko>    of January. Evaluated demoting gcc-3.4 (g77) to universe,
[05:52] <doko>    requires more work (replacing with gfortran); doesn't look
[05:52] <doko>    appropriate for feisty anymore.
[05:52] <doko>  - feisty-toolchain+1: prepared gcc-4.2 packages, gcc-4.1
[05:52] <doko>    packages without binaries built by gcc-4.2, updated gcc-snapshot,
[05:52] <doko>    prepared packages after the gcj-eclipse merge into main
[05:52] <doko>    line.
[05:52] <doko>    now needs the archive and buildd support for the test rebuilds
[05:52] <doko>  - python: prepared upgrade to python2.5 immediately after herd2
[05:52] <doko>  - other: some upstream updates for main, prepared main inclusion
[05:52] <doko>    reports for java, candidate interview
[05:52] <doko> next week:
[05:52] <doko>  - update python to 2.5 (2.5.1 will be released end of January)
[05:52] <doko>  - update and test isdn (one of the negative things in the review
[05:53] <doko>    of the c't magazine)
[05:53] <Mithrandir> gtg, will read backlog
[05:53] <ogra> does python2.5 mean we'll get a last minute transition ?
[05:53] <doko> last minute?
[05:53] <pitti> I thought we don't need such transitions any more?
[05:53] <cjwatson> doko: are you aware of the state of rebuild testing? I think we were supposed to have one soon
[05:54] <ogra> doko, feature freeze is feb 8th ...
[05:54] <doko> we change the default to 2.5, rebuild some ppackages
[05:54] <cjwatson> if it's "immediately after herd2" that's well before FF
[05:54] <ogra> how much is "some" ?
[05:54] <doko> cjwatson: no; we should have one after herd2, and after that one, we did plan for a testing rebuild
[05:56] <cjwatson> doko: thanks
[05:56] <cjwatson> mvo: next
[05:56] <mvo> Did:
[05:56] <mvo> - upgrade testing (automatic, update-manager -d, apt-get)
[05:56] <mvo> - dapper-commercial/edgy-commercial opera reivew/upload
[05:56] <mvo> - realplay testing for edgy-commercial, needs a full testsuit run before it can enter edgy-commercial
[05:56] <mvo> - use auto-installed information in g-a-i when applications are removed
[05:56] <mvo> - some initial process space separation for the dist-ugprader
[05:56] <mvo> - command-not-found fixes and uploaded new version. feels good, do we want to get it into main and enable it by default?
[05:56] <mvo> - fixes to the automatic-dist-upgrade testing system, more runs, but still no deployment in the data-center
[05:56] <mvo> - CommonCustomizations features added/bugs fixed (mostly in g-a-i) and trying to contact the automatix2 guys
[05:56] <mvo> - some hacking on the apt mirror download method
[05:56] <mvo> - synaptic hacking for the AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse spec
[05:56] <mvo> - popcon sru for #51149
[05:57] <mvo> Will do:
[05:57] <mvo> - finish synaptic/g-a-i modifications for AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse
[05:57] <mvo> - get realplayer into edgy-commerical
[05:57] <mvo> - resolve the last open issues for CommonCustomizations
[05:57] <mvo> - more work on dist-upgrader-fixes
[05:57] <dholbach> command-not-found++
[05:57] <cjwatson> mvo: I'm not happy with command-not-found in main until https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/67726 is fixed ...
[05:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67726 in command-not-found "wrong exit code" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:57] <iwj> mvo: Did you take a look at those g-a-i changes ?  Do you want to or shall I just upload and fix them if they break ?
[05:57] <pitti> . o O { isn't that simply a matter of sys.exit(1)? it should always fail AFAICS }
[05:58] <mvo> cjwatson: right, that one will be fixed
[05:58] <cjwatson> pitti: it's not difficult, but needs to be done
[05:58] <iwj> No, exit status 127 not 1.
[05:58] <pitti> ok, just checking whether I missed something
[05:58] <iwj> Think `diff'./
[05:58] <mvo> iwj: I ahd a look yesterday, they looked good, but I didn't test them
[05:58] <iwj> s,/,,
[05:58] <cjwatson> yes, 127 is bash's existing exit code
[05:58] <mvo> iwj: I'm fine with you just uploading them, we can deal with any fallout
[05:58] <iwj> mvo: Right, OK.  I've done some testing and I think we're still early enough in the cycle that a bit of minor breakage would be OK.
[05:58] <pitti> iwj: well, right, 'some constant that matches the shell behaviour'
[05:58] <iwj> Willdo.
[05:58] <iwj> pitti: sys.exit(127).
[05:59] <mvo> iwj: if you wait until tomorrow I can give it some testing tonight
[05:59] <iwj> Sure.
[05:59] <cjwatson> ok, we're getting very short on time
[05:59] <cjwatson> mvo: thanks
[05:59] <cjwatson> ogra: next
[06:00] <ogra> * last week:
[06:00] <ogra>  - finished jetpipe (new ltsp printserver) pondering to split out a separate pkg, seems it makes sense to have a jetdirect forwarder for other pur
[06:00] <ogra> poses as well
[06:00] <ogra>  - did some more work on edubuntu-network-auth-server
[06:00] <ogra>  - more ltsp-management gui work
[06:00] <ogra>  - gnome-screensaver fixes (switched default)
[06:00] <ogra>  - looked over power-manager and ltsp bugs
[06:00] <ogra>  - herd 2
[06:00] <ogra>  - edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound work
[06:00] <ogra>  - some edulinux stuff (that will get a lot more in the near future)
[06:00] <ogra> * next week:
[06:00] <ogra>  - even more ltsp-manager
[06:00] <ogra>  - more edubuntu-network-auth-server
[06:00] <ogra>  - finish edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound implementation
[06:00] <ogra>  - edulinux server preparations
[06:00] <ogra> * approved specs:
[06:00] <ogra>  - ltsp-fat-clients -no further work
[06:00] <ogra>  - edubuntu-network-auth-server - slow progress
[06:00] <ogra>  - edubuntu-network-auth-client - not started
[06:00] <ogra>  - edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound - started
[06:00] <ogra>  - ltsp-management-gui - started
[06:00] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-upgrade - started by cbx33
[06:00] <ogra>  - edubuntu-on-two-cds - not started (planned for the sprint)
[06:00] <ogra>  - ltsp-persistent-home - ... sbalneav (still waiting for code review, pitti ?)
[06:01] <cjwatson> edulinux == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EduLinux ?
[06:01] <ogra> pitti, will do .. probably only the LP page needs update
[06:01] <ogra> cjwatson, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edulinux
[06:01] <ogra> the name will change
[06:01] <cjwatson> yay for name clashes
[06:02] <ogra> eurolinux (which would be appropriate and was the old name) is taken as well
[06:02] <ogra> name suggestions that involve the EU are welcome btw ;)
[06:02] <cjwatson> ogra: thanks
[06:02] <cjwatson> rodarvus: here?
[06:03] <ogra> he will attack moodle for main the next weeks and take over ieces of edubuntu CD building
[06:03] <ogra> *pieces
[06:03] <ogra> (since i will travel a lot for edulinux ill have to shorten my CD testing in the future)
[06:03] <cjwatson> ok
[06:03] <cjwatson> Keybuk: next
[06:04] <Keybuk> Done:
[06:04] <Keybuk>  * phone calls with team members
[06:04] <Keybuk>  * management training/intro in London
[06:04] <Keybuk>  * upstart development for replacement-initscripts
[06:04] <Keybuk> To do:
[06:04] <Keybuk>  * LCA next week
[06:04] <Keybuk>  * udev/kernel/etc. planned for sprint
[06:05] <Riddell> Keybuk: are you talking at LCA?
[06:05] <pitti> Keybuk: do you expect to finish all your udev/upstart specs with your new manager duties, or do you fan them out?
[06:05] <Keybuk> Riddell: I am, yes
[06:06] <Keybuk> pitti: I'm intending to fan out most of the udev related ones
[06:06] <doko> Keybuk, cjwatson: any word on the merge/sync from etch?
[06:06] <Keybuk> there's not actually "much work" left in those, mostly just testing things
[06:06] <Keybuk> and will be taking advantage of the sprint to do that, along with handing off some of the work
[06:06] <Keybuk> doko: ?  I don't recall that discussion
[06:06] <cjwatson> Keybuk: mailed to distro-team I think
[06:06] <doko> Keybuk: see my mail to distro-team
[06:07] <iwj> Testing code is a good way to get familiar with it so farming that out is a good idea.  (Oops, I seem to be volunteering.)
[06:07] <Keybuk> ah yes, on tuesday, sorry
[06:07] <Keybuk> doko: it's possible
[06:07] <Keybuk> but not today
[06:07] <iwj> s/Testing/Debugging/ really ...
[06:07] <Keybuk> iwj: yes, that was my oh-so-cunning plan :)
[06:07] <Keybuk> doko: the principle blocker is disk space
[06:08] <doko> Keybuk: not our problem, file a ticket =)
[06:08] <cjwatson> unstable and testing shouldn't be that much out of sync at the moment?
[06:08] <Keybuk> doko: and my time, of which there's a very huge negative lack right now :-/
[06:08] <cjwatson> negative lack? perfect, you have lots of time
[06:09] <Keybuk> cjwatson: yes, integer underflow on $freetime
[06:09] <cjwatson> Keybuk: thanks, we should keep moving - merges/syncs -> #ubuntu-devel perhaps
[06:09] <cjwatson> sfllaw: next
[06:09] <sfllaw> Done
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Holiday (Happy New Year everybody!)
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Flu
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * SRU: tzdata
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Contracts for interns
[06:09] <sfllaw> To do
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Bug triage
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * SRUs
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Get ready for interns on the 15th (computers, desks, etc.)
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Write more wiki documentation
[06:09] <sfllaw>  * Hug day next week
[06:09] <sfllaw> Bug stats
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Open (20871) +139 over last week
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Critical (20) -1 over last week
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Unconfirmed (10631) +92 over last week
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * Unassigned (15810) +185 over last week
[06:10] <sfllaw>  * All bugs ever reported (70500) +606 over last week
[06:10] <cjwatson> please keep me informed about what's happening with the interns
[06:10] <sfllaw> Will do.  They seem excited to show up on Monday.
[06:10] <dholbach> sfllaw: did you talk to the guys forming the mozillateam?
[06:10] <cjwatson> I hope we can make good use of them
[06:10] <sfllaw> dholbach: I did and responded to their questions.
[06:10] <sfllaw> Same.
[06:11] <BenC> sfllaw: Can we have one assigned to each distro team member? :)
[06:11] <sfllaw> BenC: I only have two interns and it is likely that they won't have enough skill in the beginning to make that worthwhile.
[06:11] <sfllaw> The third one will be working with cr3 on automated test cases.
[06:12] <BenC> cool, that's a good place for extra man power
[06:12] <ogra> yeah
[06:12] <cjwatson> sfllaw: thanks
[06:12] <pitti> sfllaw: automated test cases> I'd be interested to get in the loop in that discussions (kees and I have this package-tests bzr branch)
[06:13] <sfllaw> pitti: All right.
[06:14] <cjwatson> matthewrevell: is there anything you'd like to bring up, or are you primarily lurking this time round?
[06:14] <matthewrevell> cjwatson: I'm mostly lurking, but there are three small things I'd like to mention:
[06:15] <matthewrevell> 1. If you have any suggestions for or annoyances with Launchpad, please feel free to badger me.
[06:15] <cjwatson> please do
[06:15] <matthewrevell> 2. I'm compiling a weekly list of top user-affecting issues, to take to the rest of the LP team. I may ask memebers of this team if there are things you
[06:15] <matthewrevell> you'd like to see on that list
[06:16] <matthewrevell> 3. Fix-it Friday is a regular thing now and a great opportunity to get small fixes done quickly.
[06:16] <matthewrevell> Cheers :)
[06:16] <iwj> matthewrevell: bug 52766
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Bug 52766 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/52766 is private
[06:17] <matthewrevell> iwj: thanks, I'll take a look
[06:17] <iwj> `Unreadable formatting of bug bodies', for those who aren't in the appropriate access group.
[06:17] <iwj> Incidentally I think it's a mistake that that bug has been marked as private, and I'd appreciate it if you could look into and/or review that decision.
[06:18] <Riddell> matthewrevell: bug 78434
[06:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78434 in launchpad "product page layout broken in konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78434
[06:18] <matthewrevell> Riddell: Thanks
[06:18] <matthewrevell> iwj: I'll raise the private issue.
[06:18] <iwj> matthewrevell: Thanks.
[06:20] <iwj> cjwatson: *prod*, you're being chairbeing, aren't you ?
[06:25] <cjwatson> sorry, distracted chairbeing. yes.
[06:25] <cjwatson> I believe we're done. Further launchpad issues => appropriate channels.
[06:25] <cjwatson> AOB?
[06:25] <iwj> There's the winmodem driver question from earlier.
[06:25] <iwj> But the whole team needn't hang around for that unless they're interested.
[06:25] <cjwatson> I think Scott and I may disagree somewhere but I think specific non-free drivers should be a TB decision.
[06:25] <Keybuk> no, I agere
[06:25] <iwj> Right.
[06:25] <cjwatson> There are some free drivers that can be used in there, aren't there? At least for one piece.
[06:25] <Keybuk> iwj: as part of that spec, you'll need to research which drivers are out there; which are free, which are binary-only and which need binary firmware blobs
[06:25] <iwj> Yes, there is one modem supported by a free driver and I was going to look into the state there and see if we can get it included.
[06:25] <iwj> Keybuk: Right, I did that.  Only one modem supported without binary drivers, unfortunately.
[06:25] <iwj> That is, without binary _drivers_ (as opposed to firmware blobs).
[06:25] <Keybuk> ok, and which were supported by binary drivers?
[06:25] <Keybuk> and which binary drivers?
[06:25] <cjwatson> binary firmware blobs is likely to be fairly uncontroversial for inclusion given the number we already have
[06:25] <iwj> Oh, a fair few.
[06:25] <Keybuk> iwj: so those need to be tested, and if we can easily support them, a decision on each driver given to the TB
[06:25] <iwj> I haven't answered that question in detail but there are around half a dozen of the proprietary drivers.
[06:25] <mjg59> Most modern winmodems (with the exception of Conexant chipsets) have free kernelspace drivers
[06:25] <Keybuk> e.g. off hand, the hsfmodem daemon could probably be packaged
[06:25] <cjwatson> I think -> #ubuntu-devel
[06:25] <iwj> mjg59: I must have been looking in the wrong place.
[06:25] <mjg59> iwj: snd-intel8x0m, for instance
[06:25] <cjwatson> thanks everyone; adjourned
[06:25] <mjg59> But yeah. -> -devel
[06:25] <iwj> OK.
[06:25] <pitti> thanks, guys
[06:25] <cjwatson> (splitting the meeting is on the sprint agenda)
[06:25] <fabbione> cya guys
[06:25] <dholbach> thanks guys... see you
[06:26] <gnomefreak> fabbione: you have a minute?
[06:26] <fabbione> gnomefreak: 60
[06:26] <fabbione> 59
[06:26] <fabbione> 58
[06:26] <fabbione> ..
[06:26] <fabbione> gnomefreak: i need to go away soon.. so be fast
[06:27] <gnomefreak> i just need a yes or no to adding the log bot to #ubuntu-mozillateam (not urgent)
[06:27] <fabbione> gnomefreak: bug in LP -> assigned to me
[06:27] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[08:27] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[08:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 16 Jan 14:00: Technical Board | 17 Jan 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 Jan 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Jan 09:00: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 06:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:34] <bapoumba> Hello :)
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> hi bapoumba :)
[09:35] <bapoumba> salut ;)
[09:38] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[09:38] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 16 Jan 21:00: Technical Board | 17 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu | 18 Jan 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Jan 16:00: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:42] <bapoumba> bye ;)