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SeveasAdri2000, Lutin: cloaks are set12:19
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LutinSeveas: great! thanks :)12:19
Adri2000yay :)12:20
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Seveasgeser, cloaked :)12:20
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geserSeveas: thanks12:30
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metresHi guys, Lintian gives me that : E: xvidcap: menu-icon-not-in-xpm-format /usr/share/xvidcap/xvidcap.png any idea of the procedure..?02:16
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somerville32Yes02:19
somerville32You need to convert it to png02:19
somerville32use convert02:19
crimsunyou meant the other way.02:19
somerville32then place the new xpm in debian/ and patch the source to use it02:19
somerville32crimsun: right02:19
somerville32You need to convert it to xpm, sorry02:19
metressomerville32 : yes I convert it with gimp I want to know where to search in source to patch it...02:20
somerville32debian/menu ?02:20
somerville32and you'll want to patch the desktop file too02:20
somerville32If it is just debian/menu, just edit it directly02:21
metresthere is no debian/menu... 02:21
metresSorry i got xvidcap.menu...02:22
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metresLintian now return me that... : W: xvidcap: menu-icon-missing /usr/share/xvidcap/xvidcap.xpm which file tell which files are copied ?02:32
somerville32You need to install your new xpm icon02:33
somerville32and it should goto /usr/share/pixmaps02:33
somerville32use dh_install02:33
somerville32and the install file in debian/02:33
somerville32ie.02:33
somerville32debian/xvidcap.xpm /usr/share/pixmaps/02:33
metresThank you somerville32 02:35
somerville32np02:35
somerville32:)02:36
somerville32When you upload to revu, want me to look it over to make sure you did everything right?02:36
metresyeah but I have to get in the motu first... pending request to the ubuntu-dev team...02:36
somerville32You can upload to revu w/o being in ubuntu-dev02:38
somerville32Do you have a lot of experience packaging?02:38
metresmy frst :)02:38
metresfirst sorry02:38
somerville32lol02:38
somerville32You might want to get some more experience before applying to ubuntu-dev02:39
somerville32You can still contribute super easily though02:39
somerville32You can upload your packages to revu where they get reviewed by MOTUs02:39
somerville32then they'll upload it for you if it meets criteria :)02:39
metresNice, how do I upload to revu ?02:40
Lutinmetres: execute 'dput revu yourpackage*source.changes' in a console02:40
somerville32metres: There is also some excellent info on the motu wiki02:41
metresI'm opening it right now...02:41
somerville32To upload to revu, you need to add yourself to this group: http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy 02:41
somerville32And then it needs to be synced02:41
somerville32So you'll need to wait for a revu admin02:41
metresIm now a Contributor of packages for ubuntu universe02:44
somerville32Awesome! :)02:44
somerville32Welcome!02:44
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somerville32Now you'll need to bug  someone like ajmitch to sync it for you02:46
metreshehehe02:46
somerville32After you upload your first package, you'll be able to login to the web interface to make comments on your uploads02:47
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bddebianHeya gang03:09
ajmitchhello03:09
bddebianHi ajmitch03:09
somerville32ajmitch: Can you sync revu with lp for metres please?03:09
metresI still have my menu-icon-missing issue... 03:10
somerville32metres: What does it say?03:10
metresW: xvidcap: menu-icon-missing /usr/share/xvidcap/xvidcap.xpm03:10
somerville32Did you install it to /usr/share/pixmaps ?03:10
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somerville32@lart 28 ajmitch03:11
zulyeah you shouldnt03:11
metresyes03:11
somerville32:)03:11
somerville32metres: Then you need to modify the menu file to point to /usr/share/pixmaps/xvidcap.xpm instead of /usr/share/xvidcap/xvidcap.xpm03:11
metresI add /usr/share/xvidcap/xvidcap to my /debian/xvidcap.files03:11
zulsomerville32: i think ajmitch is at work03:11
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metresI also made a   dh_install debian/xvidcap.xpm /usr/share/xvidcap/03:13
bddebianAt what point should we archive uploads with no responses?03:15
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somerville32crimsun: ping03:17
ajmitchkeyring resynced03:17
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Jerubhi!03:26
JerubI'd really like to be able to use universe package named 'ipset' with ubuntu, but I can't because there isn't a kernel module for it.03:27
Jerubthe kernel module can be built and packaged seperately to the kernel, but I'm not really sure how to go about that.03:27
JerubI've done the work of extracting out of patch-o-matic-ng the required patch, which I've put here: http://shiny.thorne.id.au/~stephen/set-2.6.20.patch03:28
Jerubit's a netfilter module.03:29
lifelessajmitch: ^ who knows external kernel module packaging here ?03:31
bddebianNot I03:32
somerville32Not I03:32
jdongNot I </bandwagon>03:32
somerville32- Said the three little pigs.03:32
somerville32Or wait.. wrong fairytale.03:33
bddebiansomerville32: Did pyneighborhood get uploaded or not?03:33
somerville32bddebian, It did. Waiting for archive admins to approve it03:33
bddebianOK, thx03:33
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somerville32np :)03:33
zullifeless: it shouldnt be too hard but i dont have the time or knowledge03:33
ajmitchlifeless: not sure, sorry03:34
lifelesszul: yeah, I know it shouldn't be too hard.03:34
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lifelesszul: the question wasn't 'how hard is it', it was 'who knows already' ;)03:34
Jerubof course, it's trivial to do incorrectly.03:34
JerubI'd rather it weren't done incorrectly however :)03:34
LaserJockdarn03:38
bddebianWell hello to you too LaserJock :-)03:38
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LaserJockbddebian: sorry, just realized I missed the President's speech03:39
LaserJockthat's what I get for staying at the lab too long03:39
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bddebianI watched it03:41
somerville32A president made a speech?03:43
LaserJockthey do that now and then03:44
metresabout 20 000 more americans in IRAQ03:44
zulheh03:45
zulsuck03:45
metreswhat a mess03:45
metresGot a question on my missing file issue, how do I use dh_install, I tried in console and in th rules file but hadnt worked...03:47
LaserJockyou can do an install file and then call dh_install in debian/rules03:47
metresin the debian/rules, I put the call in the build section ?03:48
somerville32Yup03:49
LaserJockmetres: probably the install: rule03:50
lifelesshmm03:55
bddebianmmh03:56
LaserJockmhm03:56
Jerubhhm03:57
lifelessI'm wondering what packages provide modules already03:57
ajmitchlirc, alsa-modules, etc03:58
ajmitchthere aren't that many03:58
lifelessJerub: look at one of those ;)03:58
Jerublirc-modules-source is one of those annoying ones you have to build against the running kernel03:59
lifelessJerub: try alsa-modules04:00
Jeruband alsa-modules isn't in feisty.04:00
lifelessoh hmm04:00
lifelesslet me query04:00
lifelessdebian has tonnes04:02
lifelessmsidn-kernel04:03
Jerublifeless: looks like if you Build-Depends: patch-o-matic-ng, linux-source-2.6.20, then you can do something useful.04:08
lifelessJerub: yes, you still need to build the module and install it correctly04:11
Jeruband patch-o-matic-ng isn't in ubuntu04:12
Jeruboh, and how do I make something build-depends on the source of something else...04:14
lifelessok, table scan time04:15
lifelessJerub: dont depend on the other source, just have the files you need to build as independent. If you can.04:15
lifelessJerub: how would you build it manually?04:16
Jerubdon't know.04:16
JerubI guess I'd just use patch-o-matic and build the whole kernel.04:16
Jerubbut patch-o-matic depends on the source of iptables it seems.04:16
lifelessin a few minutes I'll have a complete list of packages installing modules04:17
Jerub(no wonder non of the patchomatic stuff is packages)04:17
lifelessmake-kpkg knows how to build module packages04:18
lifelessbut I'd ask benc04:18
rexbronbddebian: Would you mind re-reviewing murrine, it's upid is 403304:19
rexbronalso, that review request is open to anyone else04:21
bddebianrexbron: I fear crimsun :-)04:22
rexbronbddebian: I am asking him too04:24
persiabddebian: You could just comment, without advocating...04:24
rexbron=)04:24
lifelessok, heres some packages Jerub 04:25
lifelessvmware-player-kernel-modules04:25
lifelesslinux-restricted-modules04:25
lifelesslinux-image-kdump04:26
lifelessvmware-tools-kernel-modules04:26
lifelessvmware-server-kernel-modules04:26
lifelessJerub: ^04:26
lifelessthey should all be reasonable examples of building kernel modules outside the kernel04:28
bddebianrexbron: Did you do either of the two things crimsun mentioned?04:34
rexbronbddebian: I did to the best of my knowledge as I remove an unessicarry dirs entry04:35
rexbrons/remove/removed04:36
bddebianrexbron: Where did you removed them?  You still have /usr/bin and /usr/sbin in debian/dirs file?04:36
bddebianAlso, you did not add the CREDITS file to the debian/docs file04:36
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rexbron....04:36
rexbronI thought I did04:36
bddebianHmm, maybe I didn't get the latest file when I downloaded?04:37
rexbronthis is strange...04:37
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bddebianYeah, afaict I did04:37
rexbronoh well, I will fix it04:37
Jerublifeless: yipe.04:38
Jerublifeless: applying this patch mutates iptables.04:38
lifelessJerub: so its not just new modules ?04:38
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Jeruboh, that's okay04:40
Jerubiptables already has the patch04:41
rexbronbddebian: I removed /usr/share/themes, that is what I believe crimsun was refering to04:41
bddebianAhh04:41
bddebianYou don't install anything in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin do you?04:42
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rexbronbddebian: it was there from the original upload04:45
rexbronI will do a prefix install and check04:45
rexbronbddebian: nope, they will be gone04:46
rexbronbut should the dirs file still exist?04:46
ScottKGood evening/night/morning/afternoon, as appropraite...04:47
ScottKappropraite/appropriate04:47
bddebianrexbron: Nope04:47
rexbronok04:47
ScottKDoes anyone have a moment that is familiar with directory/file naming conventions when you have to reconstruct orig.tar.gz?04:54
rexbronbddebian: ok done, care to re-evaluate?04:56
bddebianrexbron: Done05:07
rexbronthanks05:08
ScottKJust in case someone is reading the backscroll later and is willing to take a look... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=402405:09
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persiaScottK: I've never before seen a native package with a remote package style version name.  I'm not sure this is incorrect, but it is surprising.05:16
ScottKOK.  05:16
ScottKIt's not meant to be a native package.  I had to reconstruct orig.tar.gz to add license text.05:16
ScottKAs I read the Debian (I think it was) Policy manual, that appeared to be the way to name it, but I wasn't sure.05:17
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rexbronScottK: I hope upstream is includeing the licenses in the next release05:17
somerville32It is my understanding that if the package doesn't include the license upstream then you don't have permission to distribute it or something05:18
ScottKSorry, it was the Debian Developers reference.05:19
ScottKhttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-origtargz05:19
somerville32ScottK: I would refuse to package it until they have a proper license05:19
ScottKUpstream said which licenses were applicable and pointed to URLs.05:19
somerville32ScottK: If I told you that I had a copy of Microsft Windows OS and it was licensed under the GPL, do you think that would be good enough?05:19
ScottKNo.05:19
ScottKBut if you were the author of a program and you said it's licensed under GPL, I think it would.05:20
persiaScottK: Either you missed item #4 in this (should have name *.orig.tar.gz), or I'm reading the data from REVU incorrectly.05:20
ScottKAfter Tollef bounced the package ther first time, I e-mailed him and he said...05:20
lifelesssomerville32: theres no requirement for the licence to be in the source code for the code to be licenced.05:21
lifelesssomerville32: its just a best practice05:21
somerville32lifeless: Ah, thanks.05:21
ScottKThat would be me misreading #4.  Thanks.05:21
persiasomerville32: If you had copyright for MS-Windows, then yes.05:21
lifelessclearly, *I* can write some code, put the code [without a copy of the licence text]  up somewhere I control, and state 'I wrote this, and this is under GPL'05:22
ScottKI'll go fix that then...05:22
lifelessbut it would be stupid05:22
somerville32persia: Incidentally I just happen to have it here in my back pocket ;] 05:22
ScottKIf you go look, a large fraction of the Perl packages we get from Debian do not have license text in the package.05:22
persialifeless: Or just as result of inexperience :)05:22
lifelesspersia: stupid is as stupid does05:23
ScottKThis is a very small package, it's just a library needed for a more important one to follow.05:23
ScottKThanks again persia.05:23
persiaScottK: No worries.05:24
persiaI'd like to add a patch to restore .desktop files to rapidsvn, but am not sure whether it should apply against the latest Ubuntu version or the latest Debian version.  The only differences between the two are the version numbers (-0ubuntu1 vs. -1) (even the maintainer is the same).  Opinions?05:41
LaserJockthey are exactly the same?05:43
persiaLaserJock: Well, the maintainer used his @ubuntu address in the ubuntu one, and his @debian address in the debian one, but otherwise, yes.05:43
LaserJockMatthias05:44
LaserJockpersia: I think you can "merge" the debian and add your .desktop05:48
LaserJockpersia: although it should come from Debian or upstream upstream05:49
persiaLaserJock: Thanks.  If I find anything else like this, I'll merge.  In this case, it appears that the recent rebuild supercedes my earlier investigation.05:51
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ScottKWow.  Looks like there was a little hicuup while I was working on my package.06:05
ScottKI made another try - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4036 persia - If you're still there I'd appreciate another look.  I think I'm closer, but still not sure I got it.06:06
persiaScottK: The package structure looks more normal now.  I've nothing to add.06:11
superm1crimsun, ping: did you get around to mythtv after i mentioned it the other day?06:11
ScottKThanks again for the help.06:12
crimsunsuperm1: I haven't, no (mid-stride office migration, so everything's chaotic)06:12
superm1ah, k06:12
ScottKGood night everyone (it's getting a bit late here at UTC -5).  Thanks for the help/comments.06:17
somerville32I'm UTC -4 and I'm still here :P06:19
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LaserJocksomerville32: you're in CA?06:39
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LaserJockhi Hobbsee 06:47
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somerville32LaserJock: Yup :)07:08
Hobbsee|NotHerehey LaserJock 07:09
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LaserJockanybody konw what the difference between dpkg-scanpackages and apt-ftparchive07:26
persiaLaserJock: man apt-ftparchive describes the differences.07:26
LaserJockwell, I read that07:27
LaserJockit says it's dpkg-scanpackages+07:27
persiaLaserJock: As far as I know, apt-ftparchive packages foo is basically like dpkg-scanpackages foo, but apt-ftparchive also has the other commands (sources, contents, etc.).07:31
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crimsunnixternal: BenC motivated me to push him the conexant changes; your sound should be fixed RSN (probably in the next kernel?)07:47
Sp4rKyhi there07:49
joejaxxLaserJock: i just read your ml post how whould we go about that?07:50
LaserJockjoejaxx: using bzr?07:51
LaserJockor -derivative mailing list07:51
joejaxxLaserJock: whoops i meant the u-d ml07:51
LaserJock?07:51
joejaxxyes that one07:51
LaserJockmake and rt request I suppose07:52
LaserJockonce there is some "critical mass"07:52
nixternalcrimsun: awesome!07:53
joejaxxLaserJock: yeah07:53
nixternalfor the life of me i cannot find the freeze schedule for KDE now07:53
Hobbseenixternal: d.k.o07:53
nixternalthat's where it was a few days ago07:53
nixternalunless, i bet it is removed since the 3.5.6 release is next week or so07:54
Hobbseeyou mean it's not there now?07:54
nixternalthey haven't set a freeze schedule for 4 yet07:54
Hobbseenixternal: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html07:54
Hobbseeindeed07:54
nixternalya, they changed that page around. before when you went to the schedules, it was 3.5-r-p by default07:55
LaserJockjoejaxx: feel free to chime in on behalf of fluxbuntu on that thread08:00
LaserJockI was glad to see somebody from Nexenta say something08:01
joejaxxLaserJock: nexenta?08:01
joejaxxi must have missed that one08:02
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LaserJockopensolaris derivative08:02
joejaxxthey posted?08:03
joejaxxi did not see that08:03
LaserJockErast Benson08:03
joejaxxahh08:03
joejaxxoh ok08:03
Amaranthquick question: are any of you actually subscribed to the -discuss mailing list?08:04
HobbseeAmaranth: i am.  for the moment08:04
Lathiat-discuss? ;)08:04
Lathiatis that the new non moderated list?08:05
Amaranthyeah08:05
Lathiatno08:05
Amaranthit's worse than sounder from what i've heard08:05
Amaranthi'm not on it08:05
LaserJockI was08:05
Lathiatyou knwo why08:05
LaserJockit wasn't08:05
LaserJockbad08:05
Lathiatbecause people are no longer afraid to post08:05
HobbseeAmaranth: yeah, it is.08:05
Lathiaton -devel you'd get LARTed08:05
Amaranthmy -devel action is read-only though :/08:06
Hobbseeeveryone just posts crap on there08:06
LaserJockreally? I didn't think -discuss was as bad as the original -devel08:06
Amaranthcrap about eric raymond even, i've heard08:06
HobbseeLaserJock: it's worse.08:06
HobbseeLaserJock: dunno when you stopped joining08:06
Hobbseeer, subscribing08:06
LaserJockwell, I just unsubscribed the other day, it must have gone downhill since then08:06
LathiatAmaranth: EVERYBODY LOVES ERIC RAYMOND08:06
Hobbseehehe08:06
somerville32Rowdy in here tonight08:07
somerville32;] 08:07
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LaserJockI just trimmed my lists, I didn't have a prticular reason to unsubscribe08:08
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LaserJockhmm, doesn't look too bad at all to me08:09
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joejaxxoh wow08:09
joejaxxthis list IS ridiculous08:10
Hobbseehaha08:10
joejaxx"what third party repository do you use ?x155"08:13
joejaxxwhat a shame08:13
joejaxxlol08:13
LaserJockI'm still not seeing it, are you sure we are talking about the same list?08:13
Hobbseejoejaxx: yeah...saw that...08:13
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LaserJockthat was a good idea08:13
LaserJockI thought, anyway08:14
LaserJockalthough it's kind of not the best place to ask08:14
LaserJockHobbsee: they have OP laws?08:15
HobbseeLaserJock: yeah.  well, guidelines - dont stay op'd longer than you need to, etc08:16
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dholbachgood morning08:56
ScottKgood morning.08:56
dholbachhey ScottK08:57
ScottKHey08:57
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ScottKI left here 3 hours ago saying I was going to sleep, but no luck...08:58
Hobbseehehe08:59
ScottKIt's OK.  I got a couple of hours of coding done.  If all goes well I may have another package to add to the three I'm waiting on for revu now...09:01
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ScottKAnyone have a moment to REVU?  I've got two that I'd appreciate a look at...  One should be straightforward: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4027  The other is slightly obtuse: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4036 I'll be here for a bit still not sleeping...09:15
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somerville32I'll take a peak09:22
ScottKThanks.09:23
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persiaScottK: postfix-policyd-spf-perl doesn't exist in Debian (with this package name), so you might want to shorten the changelog (especially due to the native/non-native versions).09:30
ScottKI've just taken over that package today (yesterday now) and the previous maintainer had a habit of including he /debian folder in the orig.tar.gz.09:32
ScottKHe also put ALL the changes in /debian/changes.09:32
ScottKI thought it best to keep the changes I made for packaging to a minimum.09:33
somerville32I thought we had to use @ubuntu.com address for the maintainer field09:33
lifelesssomerville32: why ?09:33
lifelesssomerville32: as in, got a url reference for that?09:33
somerville32Yup09:33
somerville32https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleasePlan09:34
somerville32mdz is the author09:34
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somerville32"Packages which have been modified in Ubuntu must now have their Maintainer field set to an @ubuntu.com email address, and the original Maintainer field renamed to Original-Maintainer, per DebianMaintainerField."09:35
lifelessok09:35
ScottKOK.  News to me.09:35
lifelessshame about the diversity a little, but fair enough. The change in fields is normal for some time09:35
persiaAh.  New stuff to do when merging.  Is there a standard address to use for universe, or should each merger use their own?09:36
ScottKDoes this mean that I need to find someone to 'maintain' the packages for me or do I have an @ubuntu.com address I don't know about...09:36
HobbseeScottK: are you a member?09:37
HobbseeScottK: i presume you can use any address - your @ubuntu.com one, if you have one09:37
Hobbsee(which most people do, as they're members)09:37
ScottKActually I found the 'official answer' I think...09:38
ScottKhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField09:38
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somerville32Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>09:38
ScottKIf the package is in universe or multiverse, the Maintainer field will be set to ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com09:38
ScottKAm I the "Uploader" then?09:39
somerville32For, postfix-policyd-spf-perl, debian/copyright isn't right09:39
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somerville32You need to include the preamble or w/e it is called for the GPL09:40
somerville32You also need a copyright notice for the debian package09:40
HobbseeScottK: yeah, but you dont need to list the uploader09:40
HobbseeScottK: as we dont do NMU's09:40
somerville32ie.09:40
somerville32The Debian packaging is (C) 2007, Cody A.W. Somerville <cody-somerville@ubuntu.com> and is licensed under the GPL, see above.09:40
ScottKOK.09:40
ScottKI can understand that.09:40
HobbseeScottK: it still shows on LP that you made teh changes, and with you in the changelog, etc09:41
ScottKAh.09:41
ScottKSure.09:41
somerville32"Contributions by various members of the SPF project" <-- I don't think you can assign copyright to a team like this09:41
somerville32You also need to list the upstream authors09:42
ScottKIt came from upstream that way.  I read it as more of an acknowledgement than a copyright statement.09:42
persiaor at least the primary authors, as the contributors may be assigning copyright.09:42
somerville32ScottK: It says you own the copyright and are the debian package maintainer?09:42
somerville32Also, you need to have the date of debianization09:43
ScottKThere isn't actually a Debian maintainer...09:43
ScottKYet.09:43
somerville32"This package was debianized by Cody A.W. Somerville <cody-somerville@ubuntu.com> on Mon,  8 Jan 2007 01:48:14 -0400."09:43
somerville32ah09:43
somerville32Ok, you need to remove that part from the copyright, I believe.09:44
ScottKWill do.09:44
somerville32You should refer to the packaging guide09:44
somerville32It'll give you an example of what it should look like09:44
ScottKWill do.09:44
ScottKThanks.09:44
somerville32README.Debian is for notes about the package09:45
somerville32It seems like you're giving notes about the software you're packaging09:45
\shmoins09:46
ScottKThat one is there because what you have do to integrate with Postfix is different if you installed via a Debian package.09:46
ScottKBecause the path to the program is different.09:46
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ScottKIs there a better place to put that kind of information?09:46
somerville32Is it for package maintainers or for users?09:47
ScottKUsers09:47
ScottKSystem administrators09:47
somerville32Then I don't think it should be there since they won't ever see it09:47
ScottKMakes perfect sense.09:48
somerville32You can use dh_installdocs09:48
ScottKOK.  I'll look at that.09:48
somerville32Right, you'll want to use that to install the rest of the documentation too09:49
ScottKThanks.09:49
somerville32ie. README and INSTALL09:49
somerville32Is postfix-policyd-spf-perl an executable script?09:49
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ScottKIt's called by Postfix and Postfix talks to it via stdin/out.  It's not a standalone script.09:51
somerville32Your rules file is a little messy09:52
ScottKBecause of the stuff that's commented out and left there?09:52
somerville32You don't currently need dh_install or dh_installdirs09:53
somerville32Get rid of the commented out dh_* scripts09:54
ScottKBecause I already installed the one file that needs installing, right?09:54
ScottKYes.09:54
somerville32Right09:54
ScottKThanks.  Am taking notes as we go...09:55
somerville32Also09:55
somerville32You're installing to the wrong place I think09:55
somerville32arch-indep should go in share, not lib09:55
somerville32but I might be wrong in this case09:55
somerville32Is there a link for this code?09:56
somerville32Like a website or something?09:56
ScottKhttp://www.openspf.org is the project site.09:57
somerville32Ok, then you need to add that to the description09:57
ScottKOK.09:57
somerville32Also, you're manually specifying the perl dependencies09:57
somerville32You should have ${perl:Depends}09:57
ScottKOK.09:58
ScottKDebian-policy is where I look for guidance on where to install the file, right?09:58
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somerville32arch-indep in share and arch-dep in lib09:58
ScottKOK.09:59
somerville32Depends: libversion-perl, libmail-spf-query-perl -> Depends: libversion-perl, libmail-spf-query-perl, ${perl:Depends}09:59
\shyes..I'm LPIC-1 certified...09:59
\shnow I can do the LPIC Ubuntu Vertification ;)10:00
ScottKAh.10:00
somerville32Also, you'll find that that dh_perl won't work if you install to a non-standard directory10:00
somerville32Which you do10:00
somerville32So you'll need to manually specify10:00
somerville32see man dh_perl10:00
ScottKOK.10:01
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somerville32lol10:01
ScottKThat or put it in a standard one.  I don't feel a burning need to be non-standard.10:01
somerville32ScottK: To be standard, you would install to:10:01
somerville32/usr/share/<package-name>10:01
somerville32so it's ok to be non-standard in this case (it appears)10:02
ScottKNo reason I can't do that.10:02
somerville32The software will still work?10:02
ScottKSure.  I just need to change the documenation to match.10:02
somerville32Could you use a post installation script to do that for the user?10:02
ScottKI'd have to mess with Postfix config files.  Is that allowed?  I thought not?10:03
ScottKI'm not sure it's a good idea even if it's allowed.10:04
somerville32Will people expect this to work after they install it?10:04
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ScottKIf they read the readme they'll know that they have to change their Postfix to use it.10:04
somerville32Most people expect easy integration10:05
ScottKYes, but Postfix isn't famous for it.10:05
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ScottKIs it allowed for one package to mod another package's config?10:05
somerville32In that case, you'll want to edit your control file to make a note in the long description to refer to the documentation giving a full path10:05
ScottKThat makes sense.10:06
ScottKI'd rather leave them no worse off if they don't read the docs then break their system if their config is one I didn't anticipate.10:06
somerville32And should the priority be extra or optional?10:06
ScottKI'd say optional.10:07
ScottKWell, maybe not...10:07
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ScottKI'll change it to extra.10:08
somerville32I think optional would be safe10:08
ScottKOK.  I won't change it extra.10:08
somerville32Also, instead of specifying the documents to install the the rules file10:09
somerville32put them in debian/docs10:09
somerville32one per line10:09
ScottKOK.10:09
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ScottKI really appreciate you making the time to give me such a thorough review.10:17
somerville32np10:17
somerville32:] 10:18
somerville32I just know I hate it when I have to wait for people to review my packages10:18
somerville32So I figured I'd give it a shot and try and help you out10:18
ScottKThanks.  I've learned a lot.  I'll be back...10:18
somerville32me too :)10:19
somerville32see you in a bit10:19
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metresHi guys i'm having a problem... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1145/ can someone figure it out ? or do I have to bypass the configure file ? 11:18
ScottKOK.  I"ve update the package and it's fixed (or at least better) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=402711:19
ScottKThis time I"m really going to bed.  Thanks again for all the help.  I'll be interested to read any comments you have when I get up in two hours...11:20
somerville32:)11:21
\shmetres: configure expectes python version 2.3 and you have python 2.4 and 2.5  installed...which is the default nowadays...you have to update the source to use python 2.4 or 2.511:21
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metresthank you \sh I succeed 11:41
\shmetres: np11:41
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persiasiretart: ping11:50
siretartpersia: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.11:50
somerville32:)11:51
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somerville32How many packages does a person usually package before the TB would consider them for -devel ?11:53
persiaCould somebody please type a close brace for me?11:55
somerville32}11:56
persiasomerville32: Thank you (jp106 still doesn't map that key).11:56
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somerville32hehe11:56
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Adri2000somerville32: I think new packages is good, but MOTU is also merges and bugs :)12:00
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christopher_lHello all, my new keyboard won't work, here's some information: http://pastie.caboo.se/32556. Someone?12:01
persiasomerville32: As Adri2000 said, it's not about the number of packages, it's about doing the hard and the tedious of universe maintenance (stealing the fun stuff isn't an incentive for recommendations).  Merges, library transitions, bug management, etc.  Look for hints in the topic of this channel as release approaches.12:02
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somerville32Thats what I meant12:04
somerville32;] 12:04
Adri2000christopher_l: you are in the wrong channel, #ubuntu should be more appropriate12:04
christopher_lnobody knows how to fix the problem there, so I am trying to find someone on differnet channels12:06
persiasomerville32: I reached about 20 patches applied to the archive before anyone approached me about starting the process.  That was a while ago, so the numbers may be inflated due to team growth.12:08
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Adri2000does anyone know gtk-doc? if I understand correctly, the upstream source tarball should only contain sgml/, and make should generate the tmpl and/or html files, right?12:10
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NafalloAdri2000: I would ask in #ubuntu-desktop if I where you :-)12:18
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siretartpersia: yes?12:37
persiasiretart: I was looking at the merge of oops, and thought I'd check with you in light of the hijack, but I couldn't get it to compile, so I gave up.12:38
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siretartpersia: I think a sync should just be fine. if it doesn't compile, feel free to send me an buildlog12:41
siretartpersia: I'll check on the debian side and fix it there12:41
persiasiretart: OK.  For the buildlog, shall I just send `dpkg-buildpackage > oops.buildlog`?  Also, I liked all the readability fixes in debian/rules for 1.5.23.cvs-2.2ubuntu2, although I suppose it's cleaner to drop them.12:45
siretartpersia: I'd use 'tail', so you see the output in the shell. in general, I'd rather suggest using debuild instead, which creates buildlogs on every build in a '.build' file12:47
siretartbtw, both sbuild and pbuilder support  creating buildlogs12:48
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persiasiretart: I've been trying to install pbuilder every few months since you first suggested it to me (still without success).  I'll take a look at sbuild.  Separately, expect an email with .build from debuild soon.12:49
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siretartpersia: sbuild takes some more efford to setup. in combination with schroot and lvm snapshot, I think its unbeatable. I wrote a wiki page describing this setup12:51
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siretartpersia: the build log really surprises me, cf. http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=oops;ver=1.5.23.cvs-3;arch=arm;stamp=113834253112:56
siretartpardon http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=oops;ver=1.5.23.cvs-3;arch=amd64;stamp=1142759810 for amd6412:56
persiasiretart: Given the lack of source changes, the fact that 2.2ubuntu2 is available on AMD64 was enough to make me stop at that point.  I don't understand the threading libraries well enough.01:00
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siretartpersia: might be worth discussing it on #ubuntu-toolchain. unfortunately, I'm currently busy at work01:04
persiasiretart: No worries.  Looks to me like the difference between glibc 2.3 and glibc 2.5, but that's getting into lower-level stuff than I well understand.  May I leave it to you to chase tomorrow?01:05
siretartpersia: I'm not particulary keen on this, but I'll try to reproduce your bug by trying glibc from debian/experimental01:11
siretartthats the drawback with having 'real' maintainers for one package ;) - (i'm co-maintaining it in debian)01:11
persiasiretart: OK.  As you are busy, If I can get sbuild configured in the next few hours, I'll send a buildlog from sid+experimental glibc.  Thanks for the help with this.01:14
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\shwine-0.9.29 on its way01:31
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siretart\sh: w00t :)01:36
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\shsiretart: hehe ... birthday, LPIC-1 certification and new wine...what a great day :)01:46
siretart\sh: todays your birthday?01:47
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persia\sh: Happy Birthday01:48
\shyepp01:48
siretart\sh: congrats boy!01:48
\shevery year on the 1th january...since 1971 ;)01:48
\sh11th :)01:50
siretartnoted ;)01:52
ogra\sh, HAPPY BDAY !01:53
\shthx oliver :)01:54
jsgotangcowoooo01:56
poningru\sh: happy bday02:05
poningruwill that .29 make it in time for herd 2?02:05
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poningrushould I put it in the release notes02:05
\shAccepted:02:06
\sh OK: wine_0.9.29-0ubuntu1.dsc02:06
\sh     -> Component: universe Section: otherosfs02:06
\sh OK: wine_0.9.29.orig.tar.gz02:06
\sh OK: wine_0.9.29-0ubuntu1.diff.gz02:06
\shThis upload awaits approval by a distro manager02:06
poningrusweet02:07
poningruoh02:07
\shso someone from distro team has to approve it02:07
persiaIsn't there a freeze on to support the herd 2 build?02:08
\shthat's what it says :) approval by a distro manager...build servers are in manual mode02:08
\shbut wine is not in main02:08
\shso it's actually not release critical for herd202:08
poningruwell yeah but marketing likes to put in stuff in universe as well ;)02:09
poningruwe're crazy like that02:09
persiamarketing could speak to distro management...02:09
\shwell you could ask someone from the build admins...if it could be build and released before herd2 release...for me it's not so important if it's coming before or after herd2 release :)02:10
\shfor me it's important that we could get a 1.0 release with Ubuntu 7.0402:10
poningrupersia: eyes and ears set to open, ramble away my friend02:11
persiaponingru: ?02:13
poningruhehe nothing02:13
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\shponingru: Accepted:03:03
\shwine 0.9.29-0ubuntu1 was ACCEPTED.03:03
\shComponent: universe Section: otherosfs03:03
\shit will be build :)03:03
poningrusweet03:03
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hubdholbach: why did you assign me bug 609003:43
hubdholbach: I'm neither upstream nor the package maintainer03:43
UbugtuMalone bug 6090 in nautilus "allow RAW pictures thumbnailing" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/609003:43
dholbachhub: oh... you said something like "i need to figure this out", so I thought you'd intend to work on it03:44
hubthere are some bugs03:44
hubwith the gnome thumbnailer that cause problem with the package un *universe*03:45
hubthe wishlist is about to have that by default *in main*03:45
hubbut it does not matter03:46
hubjust that I'm not really working on it atm03:46
hubif canonical wants to contract it, I'm fine :-)03:46
dholbachok - if you want you can just reassing it to desktop-bugs that's fine with me03:46
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hubok03:47
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dholbachthanks03:47
bddebianHeya gang03:48
dholbachhiya bddebian03:48
bddebianHi dholbach03:48
\shmoins bddebian03:48
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bddebianHeya \sh03:49
bddebiandholbach: Do you have an opinion on what to do with packages that have been sitting on REVU for a while with no response?03:49
dholbachbddebian: like you reviewed it, asked for some changes and nothing happened?03:49
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bddebianLike it has 3,4, some even have 7 comments with no response afaict03:50
bddebianOf course part of the problem is that I don't really know what year they were uploaded :-)03:50
dholbachno response of the uploader?03:51
bddebianAye03:51
dholbachbin them03:51
dholbacha month should be enough time to answer a request03:51
bddebianOK, thx03:51
dholbachthank YOU :)03:52
bddebianBah, I'm pretty useless lately :-(03:52
Lutins/pretty useless/reviewing a lot/ and I agree with you03:54
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Lutindholbach: do you think that bug 61624 should be fixed ?04:05
UbugtuMalone bug 61624 in gnus "Please Recommend: or Suggest: idn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6162404:05
=== \sh needs to find the time to fix sitar asap.
dholbachphew, no idea about gnus04:06
Lutink04:08
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\shmoins nixternal04:59
Lutinwhat's the section 'grml' in a2mp3  debian/rules ??05:01
nixternalhappy birthday \sh!05:03
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\shnixternal: thx buddy :)05:05
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allee\sh: ah, didn't know.  Happy birthday!!!05:08
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=== \sh thx all MOTUs :)
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white\sh: happy birthday05:12
neutrinomassare packages in dapper going to receive updates? 05:12
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Lutinmotus: this package depends on lame, which is in mutiverse : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/a2mp305:16
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Lutinshould it go in multiverse as well ?05:16
neutrinomassLutin: (I submitted the report) Ubuntu policy doesn't allow packages in universe to depend in multiverse.... bug 77159 is a similar case05:19
UbugtuMalone bug 77159 in singularity "Please move to multiverse [feisty] " [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7715905:19
Lutinneutrinomass: ok, it's what I was thinking05:20
neutrinomassLutin: It sort of makes sense... if to install it you need to install something from multiverse, it defeats the entire concept of "freedom" 05:20
Lutinbesides, the 'section' of a2mp3 is kind of weird in edgy05:20
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Lutinneutrinomass: maybe you could bug dholbach about that, as he uploaded the package05:24
neutrinomassLutin: Yeah, I guess /sound would be good too , but I don't know the policy regarding the categories (if any).... File a bug report so that somebody takes a look at it with the next upload (a2mp3 is generally unusable at the moment  )05:24
dholbachneutrinomass: which one?05:24
neutrinomassdholbach: I'm bugging you05:24
neutrinomassdholbach: a2mp305:24
dholbachthat must have been a mistake - I never intended to05:24
dholbachI'm kidding - what's the problem with it?05:24
neutrinomassdholbach: Several actually ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/a2mp3/+bugs05:25
Lutindholbach: is in universe ans depends on mutiverse pkg. and wrong section in edgy at least05:25
dholbachneutrinomass: could you subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug explaining the multiverse issue?05:26
neutrinomassdholbach: I already did but they are rather busy it seems after the holidays 05:26
dholbachI'm not maintainer of the package and too busy to take care of its bugs.05:26
dholbachright05:26
dholbachbut there's nothing I can do - I can't shift it somewhere else05:26
neutrinomassok ok05:26
dholbachbut it's good you noticed the problem05:26
dholbachI didn't realize05:26
neutrinomassI'll see if I can prepare an upload to fix it05:26
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neutrinomassdholbach: Shouldn't it be -0ubuntuX btw ?05:27
dholbachI think that's one of the apt-get.org packages05:27
dholbachwhich had a -X already05:27
neutrinomassErm... still, current version is "0.01" and it's not in debian05:28
dholbachlet me get the source05:28
dholbachI didn't upload it05:29
dholbachit was synced05:29
dholbach(not from Debian, but from the repository in question)05:29
neutrinomassOk, I wasn't quite aware of this. If I make an update to it, it should be "0.01-0ubuntu1"/"feisty" right ?05:30
dholbach0.01ubuntu105:30
dholbachjust add ubuntu105:30
dholbachbut yeah, that's fine05:30
neutrinomassdholbach: ok thanks... :) you're free to go :p05:31
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dholbachI had my turn in the meeting already, so I had some time anyway ;-)05:31
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gpocentekdholbach: will the MOTU Council be on the next TB Agenda?05:53
gpocentekdholbach: hello BTW ;)05:53
dholbachgpocentek: we should make sure it's on there05:53
dholbachgpocentek: with all the open questions we have05:53
dholbachgpocentek: and ask sabdfl to make sure he can make it :)05:54
gpocentek:)05:54
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ScottKGood afternoon everyone.  06:08
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cypher1crimsun, hi06:41
cypher1crimsun, can we discuss regarding the comment you had put for bug #76483 ?06:42
UbugtuMalone bug 76483 in ipac-ng "Merge ipac-ng 1.31-3 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7648306:42
crimsuncypher1: ignore it; I'll process it 06:43
cypher1crimsun, thanks !06:44
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cypher1crimsun, thank you .. say your comment now :)06:57
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gnomefreakwho deals with flash package?07:11
\shanyone :)07:13
Toadstoolthe only package that is maintained by only one person in universe is wine ;)07:14
Toadstoolhi everybody07:14
hubmacromedia/adobe deal with flash07:14
bddebianHeya Toadstool07:14
Toadstoolhey bddebian 07:14
\shToadstool:lol :)07:14
\shToadstool: it's because nobody else wants to fck around with this strange emulator07:15
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Toadstoolheh07:15
\shand, tbh, I'm dealing with sles9 at work..so I'm a bit masochistic and can deal with it =|>07:16
Toadstoolrofl07:17
Toadstoolsles9, at least your working in a linux environment... :/07:17
Toadstool*you're07:17
\shToadstool: and how happy I was yesterday, when I heard, that I'm allowed to install ubuntu on all our servers from now on07:18
\shonly the oracle servers will be still sles907:19
Toadstoollucky guy, I have to struggle with xp, office, visual studio and clearcase, it drives me crazy sometimes07:20
\shToadstool:well on my company laptop I have also xp running and on the desktop machine...just because of our *censored* token authentication, which doesn't work under linux :(07:23
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ScottKbddebian: While you are busy cleaning up the REVU queue, would you mind taking a look and and (hopefully) re-advocating http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4038.  After somerville32 got through thrashing me here last night (for me anyway), I had a little work to do...07:31
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bddebianScottK: OK, I'll try to take a look in a few07:39
ScottKThanks.07:39
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crimsungnomefreak: essentially, me.07:50
gnomefreakcrimsun: crap i lost the bug. ill find it. 07:51
gnomefreakcrimsun: is this bug something we can do anything with? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/14911 it seems flash 9 fixes the issue but we cant put flash9 in repos other than the backports and they arent really supported07:52
UbugtuMalone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Unknown,Confirmed]  07:52
gnomefreakis this something flash upstream can patch for flash 7 or just something people have to live with.07:53
crimsunthe latter for sure07:54
crimsunI can't dictate what upstream will or won't do, so I can't answer the former07:54
gnomefreaki figured as much. 07:54
crimsunit's not a Firefox bug per se07:55
gnomefreakjust wondering if we can close it but its been sent upstream already07:55
gnomefreakyeah i know its flash. i was in a meeting about mozilla bugs/team and this bug poped up and not sure what the hell do to with it07:55
crimsuntalk with iwj in -devel; if he agrees to allow it to be reassigned to flashplugin-nonfree, then do so and you have my blessing to mark it Fix Released.07:56
crimsunoff to lecture.07:56
gnomefreakok ty07:56
ScottKIf there's a package that's been orphaned in Debian, is there a way I can 'adopt' it so it won't fall out of Ubuntu?07:59
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zorglu_debian has doc spefically for this08:01
zorglu_dont remember the url, just saw it in the past08:01
ScottKOK.  Will go look.08:01
ScottKI've got no relationship with Debian, so I was wondering about something Ubuntu specific for MOTU.08:01
ScottKbddebian: Thanks for looking at it.  Your comment hits a question I was unsure about.  Do I leave the upstream INSTALL file intact and then put a new INSTALL file in /debian and then have my rules install the /debian one?08:03
bddebianScottK: I don't think you should install the INSTALL file at all, should you?08:06
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ScottKThe problem I am trying to solve is that there is some manual configuration of Postfix required to intgrate this after the installation is complete.08:08
ScottKintgrate/integrate.08:08
ScottKWhat you have to do with the Debian/Ubuntu package is different than what you would have to to with the upstream version because the path is different.08:08
ScottKWhere do I document that?08:09
ScottKThat's the point I'm struggling with...08:09
ScottKI'd love suggestions.08:09
geserREADME.Debian perhaps08:11
bddebianScottK: You probably need to add something to debian/  and then display that on postinst08:11
ScottKgeser: It was in README.Debian and somerville32 pointed out that that is for packaging stuff.  A user would never see it.08:12
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ScottKThat sounds right.08:12
ScottKIf anyone knows of a simple package that uses postinst to display stuff that I can learn from, I'd appreciate a pointer.08:14
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gnomefreakcrimsun: i went and added flashplugin-nonfree to it and confirmed it since well alot of people having the issue08:15
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geserScottK: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html , point 5.108:18
gesersounds like the right place to document the different path08:19
geserif you do that instead in your postinst you must use debconf (or similar)08:20
geserScottK: see also http://merkel.debian.org/~ballombe/lintian-etch-i386/reports/Tpossible-debconf-note-abuse.html08:21
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ScottKgeser: Thanks (was AFK dealing with a coffee emergncy)08:30
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somerville32ScottK: Btw, make sure to double check the things I told you last night. I've only ever done one package, lol08:42
somerville32But I'm pretty confident we're on the right track08:42
ScottKOK.08:43
ScottKThanks.08:43
ScottKI'm reviewing the changes with the guy that was helping with packaging it on another channel right now.08:43
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Le_Verthi motus09:08
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LaserJockhi Le_Vert 09:09
LaserJockany Java people about?09:10
somerville32maybe09:11
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zorglu_i have a "deamon" run for a given user, more like a background process, and i would like it to be started when the compute boot (aka not when the user login), is there a typical/recomended way to do this ? (currently i doing something like "put this script in /etc/rc.local" and the script starts the deamon)09:30
LaserJockI think /etc/rc.local is the normal thing to do, but I'm not positive09:37
zorglu_ok thanks09:37
Adri2000do you think bug 62346 needs a SRU?09:43
UbugtuMalone bug 62346 in obconf "Missing libobrender.so.1 -> unable to launch obconf" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6234609:43
somerville32Adri2000: Does it meet the requirements on the SRU page?09:43
Adri2000obconf: error while loading shared libraries: libobrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory09:44
Adri2000it makes the package unusuable09:44
Adri2000but there is an easy workaround09:44
Adri2000and the fix is only a rebuild09:44
somerville32cjwatson might approve it but you'd most likely have better luck with a backport09:44
mr_pouitAdri2000, ping a member of the SRU team ^^09:45
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LaserJockyeah, that's sort of tough09:45
somerville32Have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates09:45
LaserJockit's obvious regression, and easy fix09:45
LaserJockbut it's also a big pain in the butt :-)09:45
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Adri2000somerville32: isn't it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU ?09:45
mr_pouithttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU09:46
somerville32Adri2000: Oh, the package is in Universe?09:46
mr_pouitAdri2000, oops, I came too late, as usual ^^09:46
somerville32Adri2000: Propose it ;] 09:46
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Adri2000ping crimsun siretart StevenK: I would like your opinion about a SRU for bug 6234609:47
UbugtuMalone bug 62346 in obconf "Missing libobrender.so.1 -> unable to launch obconf" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6234609:47
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Adri2000version should be ubuntuX.1~proposed1, right?09:49
Adri2000I don't see that on MOTU/SRU09:49
somerville32Looks about right09:50
Adri2000hmm but for rebuild, it should be build, not ubuntu09:51
Adri2000(this package has no ubuntu change)09:52
LaserJockhmm, that might take somethinking09:52
LaserJockwhat's the version right now?09:52
Adri20001.5-309:52
Adri2000for a SRU, I'd say use ubuntu0.1, not build09:53
LaserJockwell, you might do 1.5-3~proposed09:54
Adri2000because we don't care of the automatic sync09:54
LaserJockbut I'm not sure about that09:54
LaserJockyou might do some dpkg --compare-versions to see09:54
geser1.5-3~proposed should be smaller than 1.5-309:56
lifeless1.5-3~ is lower09:56
lifelesstheres a policy on SRU versioning09:56
lifelessits the same one used for security updates09:56
LaserJocklifeless: yes, but I don't know what it would be for a non-ubuntuX versioned package09:57
lifelessLaserJock: huh?09:57
Adri2000ubuntu0.1 no?09:57
Adri2000lifeless: for a package with no ubuntu change09:57
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LaserJocklifeless: normaly it woudl be a build109:57
LaserJockso build1~proposed1?09:57
lifelesshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures09:58
lifeless2.0-2                  2.0-2ubuntu0.109:58
Adri20000.1, like the new upstream version NMUs in debian09:58
keescookI need to fix the dpkg patch to handle the "." style... it doesn't like SRU/security versions.  :)09:58
LaserJockhmm, I don't really like that though09:58
lifelessLaserJock: its not a matter of like... thats the current policy - feel free to raise it on ubuntu-devel for review if you dont like it.09:59
LaserJockthat'll mean we have to merge the bugger for Feisty+109:59
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keescookLaserJock: shouldn't it just be build1 for -proposed, and then build2 for -updates?09:59
lifelessLaserJock: huh, the SRU is not going into feisty, its going into edgy09:59
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lifelessLaserJock: it has no impact on feisty or feisty + 110:00
LaserJocklifeless: true :/10:00
LaserJockforgot that, went to the dentist this morning, my brain's not quite all there ;-)10:00
LaserJockkeescook: I think putting ~proposed or ~prop is a good thing10:00
LaserJockjust to keep track of things10:01
keescookLaserJock: yeah, probably right.10:01
LaserJockI'm having  a hard enough time as it is10:01
=== Adri2000 would do 1.5-3ubuntu0.1~proposed1 for -proposed and then 1.5-3ubuntu0.1 for -updates, will wait for SRU team opinion
LaserJockI can't see my uploads10:01
LaserJockso I have to go trolling in Sources files to see if it's actually there or not10:01
keescookAdri2000: yeah, that seems right.10:03
=== enyc is waiting for archive admininistrator people to put -proposed packages in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qpsmtpd/ -- ?am I looking in the wrong place?
LaserJockenyc: if it's for qpsmtpd then that's right, although LP should show it too10:04
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enycLaserJock: ??LP??10:04
LaserJockLaunchpad10:05
enycLaserJock: coo... how do I see the testing version etc.?10:05
LaserJockwell, once it's accepted it should show up on launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>10:06
tsmithecould i ask the favour of revu'age?10:06
somerville32What do you want tsmithe? :)10:07
tsmithehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3902 <= alsa-firmware10:07
tsmitheand...10:07
geserLaserJock: afaik the archive is still frozen, uploads to universe have to accepted by hand10:07
tsmithehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3892 <= alsa-tools10:07
tsmithe;)10:07
enycLaserJock: well thats odd... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qpsmtpd does not show the packages yet...10:08
enycLaserJock: they have both been 'approved' with enuogh +1 's by universe team etc.10:08
LaserJockgeser: right, that's fine10:08
enycLaserJock: as ~proposed etc.10:08
LaserJockenyc: yes but it's not in -proposed yet10:08
LaserJockthat's what I'm talking about10:08
LaserJockit has to be approved by the archive admins10:09
LaserJockwe seem to be having approval bottlenecks again10:09
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enycLaserJock: bah! is this a problem10:10
somerville32tsmithe: ok, I'll review10:10
tsmithekk10:10
tsmithethanks cody10:10
enycLaserJock: bah, erm... is this a common problem ?10:10
LaserJocksort of10:10
enycLaserJock: does this happen at certain times in release-cycles etc.?10:10
LaserJockwe always have times where the archive admins have a backlog10:10
enycLaserJock: I see10:10
enycLaserJock: what do they need to check about the upload?10:11
LaserJockas it gets closer to release time and they get busier it does10:11
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LaserJockenyc: they just have to approve it (flip the switch or whatever) as far as I know10:11
LaserJockenyc: the good news is you've done all you're supposed to do :-)10:13
LaserJockyou just gotta wait now10:13
enycLaserJock: thats fine then ;-)  Im not trying to be impatient... but I do like to understand problems like this10:14
somerville32tsmite: It'll be a second but I will review it10:15
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ScottKsomerville32: I have a question about last night's (for me) advice...  You said I need a copyright statement for /debian.  I looked in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-copyright and I don't find such a requirement.10:18
somerville32Not for /debian, the entire debian package10:18
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siretartbug #6234611:15
UbugtuMalone bug 62346 in obconf "Missing libobrender.so.1 -> unable to launch obconf" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6234611:15
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chillywillyum, quick question...how do I see the init script messages in edgy but not the noise from the kernel?11:38
chillywillythis is on a server machine11:38
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chillywillyI'd like to see what is booting up when, etc. but not he kernel messages on the console11:38
Adri2000siretart: so? :)11:39
siretartAdri2000: hi11:40
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Adri2000hello siretart 11:40
tsmithewho's gonna make my day and revu my alsa-* packages?11:41
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Adri2000siretart: what do you think of a SRU for this bug?11:42
siretartI'm currently testbuilding it on my amd64 box11:43
siretartthe debdiff is IMO quite big, and I'm not familiar with these glade changes11:43
siretartI have no problem with approving it in -backports, though11:44
Adri2000siretart: the debdiff between what and what? I thought that only a rebuild was needed to fix this bug11:45
siretartAdri2000: according to the buglog, it seems that version 1.6-1 is needed11:46
Lutintsmithe: the diff of alsa-firmware is huge. wht did tou include the configure files in it ?11:47
Adri2000"A fix has been provided in debian version 1.5-4."11:47
siretartAdri2000: this makes a diff from 1.5-3/-4 to 1.6-111:47
siretartthe only change between -3 and -4 was to orphan to package11:47
siretartAdri2000: do you use that package on your workstation?11:48
Adri2000no, and I haven't got edgy anymore on my desktop11:48
tsmitheLutin, i will remove them. unless its not necessary...11:48
Lutintsmithe: the bigger diff, the worst (if you can avoid it of course)11:49
tsmitheok11:49
tsmitheit seems i changed the files through carelessness...11:50
tsmitheill rebuild it...11:50
Lutin:)11:50
siretartAdri2000: well, as said, I don't think a mere rebuild will fix the version. the diff to the next upstream version isn't that big, however.. 11:51
siretartthis leaves me somewhat undecided11:51
Adri2000according to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385464;msg=15 and a comment on malone, a rebuild is sufficient11:51
UbugtuDebian bug 385464 in obconf "obconf: does not run with new openbox version" [Important,Closed]  11:51
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siretartAdri2000: oh. fascinating.11:52
siretartAdri2000: in this case, I'd approve the rebuild, of course. 11:53
Adri2000ok, I'll do that tomorrow11:54
Adri2000siretart: can you approve the "Nomination  for Edgy" of the bug please11:55
Adri2000maybe it's not called "nomination" for core-devs, I don't remember11:55
Adri2000target?11:56
siretartAdri2000: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU for our policy11:57
siretartAdri2000: first, subscribe motu-uvf, attach your debdiff, wait for 3 acks and then upload it11:58
siretartoh, and assign the bug to you ;)11:58
Toadstoolmotu-uvf for a SRU? :)11:59
Adri2000siretart: I know I know, but I wanted to have an edgy task in the same bug (only core-devs can approve these nominations/targets for release), but maybe you want me to file another bug for the SRU?12:00
tsmitheLutin, i've reduced it down to 40KiB - is that ok? it still contains changes in config.guess; but i don't know how acceptable that is12:00
siretartargl12:00
siretarts/motu-uvf/motu-sru/12:00
Adri2000eheh12:00
siretartsry12:00
Toadstoolheh12:00
siretartAdri2000: honstely, I still don't get this nomination stuff. I'm not sure if implements the requirement that we need 3 acks12:01
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Lutintsmithe: config.{guess,sub} are useless in the diff12:01
tsmithehmm12:01
tsmitheok 12:01
tsmithei'll fix that then12:01
Adri2000siretart: look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+bug/64848 which uses that for a SRU12:02
UbugtuMalone bug 64848 in k3d "[SRU: EDGY]   packaging typo - k3d does not install" [High,Fix committed]  12:02
siretartaha?12:03
siretarthm. I think then its safe to approve the nomination, since it 'just' creates a new bugtask12:04
siretartaah, now I think I got the point of these nominations..12:04
Adri2000:)12:05
siretartAdri2000: okay, I think you can proceed now with the 'normal' protocol :)12:10
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tsmitheLutin, i've fixed that and it looks quite clean now (although it's still uploading). if you could take another look soon when it's done that would be fantatstic. (stoopid slow upload speeds)12:10
Adri2000yep, just added a comment to the bug12:10
Lutintsmithe: ok12:10
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tsmithethanks - the upload was quicker than i thought - so it should be ready soon12:11
Lutintsmithe: i'm not a motu though :)12:11
tsmithedoesn't matter! i appreciate it anyway of course.12:12
tsmithemore eyes the better ;)12:12
Lutinhehe, indeed12:12
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