[12:24] <LaserJock> cbx33: what are you doing here? :-)
[12:27] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[12:27] <cbx33> um
[12:27] <cbx33> waiting to go to bed
[01:04] <somerville32> Is it possible to use VNC to create a session remotely to a LTSP server?
[01:05] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[01:06] <LaserJock> an LTSP server is like an ordinary Ubuntu box so if you have a vncserver (vino perhaps) you can vnc to it
[02:38] <abackos> hi
[02:38] <abackos> my installation stop at Buildin LTSP chroot on Edubuntu 6.10...why? thanks
[02:40] <bimberi> i recall that it can take a long time.  Is there still Disk activity?
[02:40] <bimberi> abackos: hi btw :)
[02:41] <abackos> activity? i try to install edubuntu 6.10
[02:41] <abackos> now it's stopped
[02:42] <abackos> sorry for my english
[02:42] <bimberi> abackos: how long has it been stopped for?
[02:42] <abackos> i don't know...2min maybe
[02:43] <abackos> ah
[02:43] <abackos> the hd?
[02:43] <abackos> never
[02:43] <abackos> i have used until 5min ago on an other pc
[02:43] <bimberi> it does take some time - give it a while longer
[02:44] <abackos> is edubuntu 7.04 alpha1 out?
[02:44] <LaserJock> well, we are almost releasing Herd2
[02:44] <abackos> i need for tomorrow
[02:45] <abackos> can you link me herd1 please?
[02:45] <abackos> or can i skip Build LTSP chroot?
[02:46] <bimberi> abackos: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-1/
[02:47] <abackos> you think this work?
[02:48] <bimberi> abackos: it shouldn't have major bugs, however Feisty is alpha so...
[02:48] <abackos> if i skip Build LTSP chroot ...can i resolve later?
[02:49] <bimberi> i think so - there is a command to do it, i just don't recall it at the moment
[02:50] <LaserJock> I really don't think you want to install Herd1
[02:51] <abackos> can i skip "Build LTSP chroot"?
[02:54] <abackos> thank you guys ;) i'll try to install another distro...sorry but i don't have many time now
[02:54] <abackos> see ya
[02:55] <LaserJock> ok
[02:57] <bimberi> heh, 'sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386'
[05:46] <Loopstar> Hey Can anyone help me with LTSP
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Loopstar, ask your question, and when someone can help they will talk to you
[05:53] <Loopstar> Thanks Kamping - Havent used IRC before. Have looked at LTSP breifly previously but would like to know if Edubuntu as a LTSP does the server need to be dhcp server or is it to messy if another device provides ip's.
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> as long as the otehr server can tell cliens to boot the ltsp server, any system can do dhcp
[05:59] <Loopstar> Cheers
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[01:23] <jsgotangco> ogra: im looking for a new laptop would you recommend something like a macbook? heh
[01:25] <ogra> jsgotangco, sytem76 ;)
[01:25] <ogra> *system76
[01:26] <jsgotangco> heh we don't have that here
[01:27] <jsgotangco> either i get something cheap from the taiwan brands or good US brand or a better one like Apple's
[01:30] <ogra> i usually just buy the cheapest one at the next discounter ...
[01:31] <ogra> but then i usually buy a new one every year
[01:31] <jsgotangco> heh well im not as "rich" as you haha
[01:32] <ogra> well, i pay ~600 once a year instead of 1200 every two years
[01:32] <jsgotangco> well you have a point though
[01:32] <jsgotangco> since we're pretty much power users
[01:32] <ogra> right
[01:37] <willvdl> ogra, must admit, wouldn't mind stealing your laptop
[01:38] <ogra> and i wouldnt cry much about loosing the HW since it was cheap ... only using my work would bother me there
[01:38] <ogra> :)
[01:38] <ogra> s/using/loosing/
[01:38] <jsgotangco> i wish i have enough space here at home to have 1 more desktop
[01:38] <willvdl> I love my acer but it lacks suspend and power management
[01:38] <jsgotangco> maybe i should move to a place similar to ogra's
[01:38] <ogra> just get a powerful laptop ;)
[01:38] <jsgotangco> acers aren't really that great with power management
[01:39] <ogra> feel free we have at least 4 empty rooms we dont use at all here
[01:39] <ogra> acers are crap
[01:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:39] <jsgotangco> i almost bought an acer ferrari
[01:39] <ogra> i had two acers ... on both i had to change the keyboard after a year (on one even earlier)
[01:40] <ogra> one of them was the ferrari cheapo version (the guts of a ferrari in a cheap case, with cheap keyboard and display)
[01:41] <ogra> its lying upstaris and has broken charging electronics ...
[01:41] <ogra> (so i cant boot it anymore ...)
[01:42] <ogra> and it survived exactly until the warranty was over ...
[01:42] <ogra> i'm pretty fine with the current HP i have ... its a pavillion ze2000 AMD turion64
[01:43] <ogra> costed 699 with 1Gig of ram and 80GiG HD
[01:43] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:44] <willvdl> I like the HPs . Loved my old IBM thinkpad
[01:44] <willvdl> although it also wouldn't suspend
[01:44] <willvdl> the acer doesn't have a decent shell but mine is pretty well specced
[01:44] <willvdl> and cheap
[01:45] <willvdl> woops, gotto run. bbl
[02:43] <Petaris> Hi all
[02:45] <jsgotangco> Hi Petaris
[02:46] <Petaris> I have a question concerning ltsp and xfce
[02:47] <Petaris> actually its a bug/issue that only effects the two together (to my knowlage)
[02:48] <Petaris> the xfce shutdown, hibrinate, and sleep buttons seem to control the server not the client
[02:48] <Petaris> this means students are continually shutting down the server
[02:49] <Petaris> this is a bad(tm) thing
[02:49] <Petaris> is there a way I can dissable shutdown?
[02:49] <Petaris> and sleep, hibrinate
[02:50] <jsgotangco> hrmm ihaven't used xfce for ltsp
[02:50] <Petaris> if I have to login as root and issue a shutdown now -h (or -r) everytime as a result that doesn't bother me
[02:50] <jsgotangco> but its bests you ask highvoltage
[02:50] <Petaris> hrm
[02:50] <Petaris> I don
[02:51] <Petaris> I don't think he knew last time I asked him
[02:57] <ogra> Petaris, thats somethig the xfce guys should solve (actually they are aware of that problem since dapper), it needs patching ...
[02:58] <Petaris> ogra: xfce or xubuntu?
[02:58] <ogra> either
[02:59] <Petaris> I asked in xfce, they said just taking out the sudo rights should do it but it doesn't
[02:59] <ogra> gnome-power-manager is fixed since edgy, they can look at the patch for it (its stored separately in the souce package so it should be easy to adapt)
[02:59] <Petaris> ok
[02:59] <Petaris> thanks ogra
[02:59] <Petaris> :)
[03:00] <ogra> the xfce session manager needs to respect LTSP_CLIENT and act accordingly ...
[03:00] <ogra> (or whatever provides the buttons to suspend etc)
[03:00] <Petaris> right, it would be cool if someday it could point back at the client and shut it down,
[03:04] <Petaris> ogra: do you know if it is sceduled to be fixed before the next release?
[03:07] <ogra> i have neiter any influence on the xubuntu guys nor do i know their schedule ... but i know there is a bug open since quite some time
[03:08] <Petaris> oh, ok
[03:08] <Petaris> thanks again
[03:08] <jsgotangco> ciao goodnight i gotta sleep
[03:48] <Hoobly> I am having a real b*tch of a time getting edubuntu 6.10 to run on my machine.  Can someone make some suggestions
[03:48] <Hoobly> ?
[03:49] <Hoobly> Everything installs fine, but when I go to boot, immediately after the memory check and disk initialization I get a blinking cursor and nothing else.
[03:54] <Petaris> Hoobly: You don't get grub loading?
[04:04] <Hoobly> Petaris: nope
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya
[04:12] <Petaris> Hoobly: I would check to make sure grub installed and configured correctly?
[04:40] <rockprincess> YAHOOOOOO ;)
[04:58] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[05:09] <willvdl> ogra, ping
[05:10] <ogra> willvdl, pong
[05:11] <willvdl> ogra, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients refers to EdubuntuInstallNotes
[05:11] <willvdl> which is not on h.u.c or w.u.c
[05:11] <willvdl> do you perhaps know where it shoulw point or would in future point?
[05:12] <ogra> i dont even know where that page comes from
[05:12] <ogra> the thin client howto used to look like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[05:12] <willvdl> aha
[05:13] <ogra> somehow it mutated to a horrible page but it had valid info ... which led me to write the quick install guide
[05:13] <ogra> and keep the thin client howto for community additions
[05:13] <ogra> the thin client howto isnt valid for edubuntu ... simply because the installer does all the described steps there
[05:14] <ogra> so that page you asked about is right ... even somewhat silly to have it ...
[05:14] <willvdl> should I then rather have the link in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients point to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall rather
[05:14] <ogra> but also note that more complicated info is available through ThinClientHowto
[05:15] <ogra> s/complicated/advanced/ ??
[05:15] <willvdl> lol
[05:16] <ogra> all the specs listed in the thin client howto are implemented since a long time ...
[05:16] <willvdl> the /EdubuntuInstallNotes link is empty though
[05:16] <willvdl>  /ThinClients refers to /EdubuntuInstallNotes for edubuntu users (has a note)
[05:16] <ogra> Please don't use this Howto if you installed Edubuntu from CD, since the Installer does nearly all of the work described here already, if you use Edubuntu, follow the Edubuntu Install Notes wikipage at [WWW]  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes.
[05:16] <ogra> aha
[05:16] <ogra> it has even a note
[05:17] <willvdl> which you put there :)
[05:17] <ogra> well, didnt you delete it ?
[05:17] <ogra> (the install notes page)
[05:17] <willvdl> you told me to. it was old
[05:18] <ogra> actually we dont need install notes anymore ... probably we should create EdubuntuInstallNotes with a note that there are no install notes :)
[05:18] <willvdl> hahaha
[05:18] <ogra> well, i didnt know how many pages link to it
[05:18] <willvdl> OK, best solution is to have that "note" point somewhere else
[05:18] <willvdl> I should have checked. my oversight
[05:19] <willvdl> I normally do
[05:19] <ogra> probably point it to gettingstarted
[05:19] <willvdl> good idea.
[05:19] <ogra> even though we dont have that on the wiki
[05:19] <ogra> (its drupal only iirc)
[05:20] <highvoltage> won't it be better making an installation giude from scratch for feisty?
[05:20] <willvdl> gettingstarted is link to help.u.c
[05:20] <willvdl> highvoltage, probably, even if as ogra says, it is pretty empty
[05:21] <ogra> highvoltage, +++
[05:21] <ogra> willvdl, well, we can put new stuff on it ..
[05:21] <willvdl> on what?
[05:21] <ogra> you just dont need to do anything post install to get ltsp running ... but there are enough things you can add for users to get started :)
[05:22] <willvdl> oh right, edubuntu install guide. not ltsp install guide
[05:22] <willvdl> woudl go in handbook I guess...
[05:23] <Petaris> ogra: who created that patch for gnome-power-manager?
[05:23] <ogra> me
[05:23] <Petaris> oh
[05:23] <Petaris> ok
[05:23] <highvoltage> a straight ltsp install guide for Ubuntu is probably more suited for help.u.c than edubuntu specific docs
[05:24] <Petaris> I looked at it in the /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gnome-power-manager.conf file, is that all there is to it?
[05:24] <ogra> Petaris, 70-suppress-pm-actions-on-ltsp.patch in the g-p-m source package
[05:25] <Petaris> ogra: ahh, ok
[05:26] <Petaris> and that looks at these rules?
[05:26] <ogra> no
[05:26] <Petaris> oh
[05:26] <ogra> it makes g-p-m not allow hibernate/suspend at all if g_getenv("LTSP_CLIENT") is true
[05:27] <Petaris> oh
[05:27] <Petaris> ok
[05:27] <willvdl> highvoltage, there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[05:27] <ogra> they just need to add the same to the code that shows their hibernate/suspend buttons
[05:27] <willvdl> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients
[05:27] <Petaris> what about for shutdown and restart
[05:27] <willvdl> the latter has a broken link
[05:28] <ogra> shutdown and restart are handled in gnome ... by gdm i think ... i didnt have to patch anything there, gnome detects that you are not logged in locally on the server
[05:28] <willvdl> highvoltage, the GettingStarted page on www.edubuntu.org, is that in the drupal site only or does it grab from help.u.c?
[05:28] <ogra> so these buttons arent shown
[05:29] <highvoltage> willvdl: it's in the normal drupal site
[05:29] <Petaris> ogra, ahh
[05:29] <Petaris> ok
[05:32] <willvdl> highvoltage, thanks. Will think about it on Monday :)
[05:34] <highvoltage> willvdl: ok :)
[05:35] <willvdl> highvoltage which would make more sense: install notes in the SVN or on the wiki?
[05:35] <willvdl> wiki right? so that the docteam could pull relevant info into svn docs?
[05:36] <willvdl> ogra, remember in the meeting you said someone was looking for https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams?
[05:37] <ogra> yep
[05:37] <ogra> i dont know the nick anymore, but he was apparently running breezy and didt want to upgrade
[05:37] <ogra> *didnt
[05:37] <willvdl> can't remember what link he was looking for but it should have forwarded
[05:38] <willvdl> I remember there being 2 "copies" of the same info
[05:38] <willvdl> anyhoo
[05:39] <willvdl> ogra, fixed references to EdubuntuInstallNotes
[05:39] <ogra> thanks :)
[05:47] <willvdl> OK outa here. Hopefully on Monday I will finally have time to sort through all the existing doc&wiki planning pages and consolidate ideas and plans
[05:48] <willvdl> have an excellent weekend
[05:48] <ogra> ciao, enjoy
[06:15] <Laser_away> ogra: marble is in NEW now
[06:15] <ogra> yay
[06:15] <ogra> cool
[06:15] <ogra> i got pulseaudio sound working :)
[06:15] <ogra> but still no mixer control :(
[06:16] <ogra> i thought pulse would magically solve it
[06:17] <Laser_away> oh, and a somebody is looking at the new squeak packages
[06:18] <ogra> nice
[06:19] <Laser_away> we might be able to totally replace our packages
[06:19] <Laser_away> which would be kinda nice
[06:20] <Laser_away> since these are more "official" and I think they might work better
[06:37] <ogra> yeah
[09:27] <Hoobly> Can someone please help me with a blinking cursor problem?
[09:27] <LaserJock> yikes, I'm not sure
[09:27] <LaserJock> this is at startup?
[09:27] <Hoobly> yes it is at startup
[09:28] <Hoobly> I have used the 6.10 live CD to setup several times.  No errors, everything completes fine.  Then when I go to boot to the new system, I get a blinking cursor and that's all
[09:28] <Hoobly> I have installed 6.10 successfully on several machines, but this time, I'm very confused.
[09:29] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:29] <LaserJock> can you get to a console? Alt-F1
[09:29] <LaserJock> oh, I think that should be Ctrl-Alt-F1
[09:29] <Hoobly> let me check
[09:30] <Hoobly> nOpe
[09:30] <Hoobly> nothing except CTRL+ALT+DEL does anything.
[09:30] <LaserJock> did you get anything when you booted
[09:30] <LaserJock> like messages going by or the splash image
[09:31] <Hoobly> Nope
[09:31] <Hoobly> no messages or splash images
[09:31] <LaserJock> have you tried #ubuntu yet?
[09:32] <LaserJock> they have a lot more people and I just don't know what to try if it's not even getting to  where you can use a console
[09:33] <Hoobly> yes.  They suggested a few things which I have tried, but to no avail and now no one seems to want to help me.
[09:35] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:36] <LaserJock> so you just get a blinking cursor
[09:36] <LaserJock> no messages at all throught the boot process?
[09:36] <LaserJock> *throughout
[09:38] <Hoobly> nope
[09:38] <Hoobly> the bios does a memory check and then starts to boot, but nothing happens
[09:39] <LaserJock> but the livecd worked on the same machine?
[09:39] <Hoobly> hmmmmm....problem solved!
[09:39] <Hoobly> I unplugged the CD rom and floppy drive and GRUB came up and booted.
[09:39] <Hoobly> Peculiar!
[09:41] <LaserJock> ah, so it was trying to boot off of something else I guess
[09:41] <Hoobly> perhaps
[09:43] <Hoobly> This motherboard must suck.  It does not move down the list if there is no CD in the drive
[09:43] <LaserJock> odd
[09:47] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[09:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, !!!
[09:48] <cbx33> BETT is over
[09:48] <cbx33> well for me at least
[09:48] <cbx33> one more day of it tomorrow
[09:48] <cbx33> but apparently it's mainly kids who go to it
[09:48] <LaserJock> are you back home?
[09:50] <cbx33> yup
[09:50] <airjump> hi