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| mhb | Riddell: there was some moving with the Kubuntu testing pages | 12:54 |
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| mhb | Riddell: somebody deleted all my modifications to the page and made only a Dailies only page at Testing/Current/Kubuntu | 12:55 |
| mhb | Riddell: someone should have informed me that we're switching to a dailies only mode before deleting all my attempts of simplifying the wiki page for new testers | 12:59 |
| ryanakca | mhb: maybe revert the wiki pages and then modify them yourself? | 01:01 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I'm not like the others | 01:01 |
| mhb | ryanakca: we would end up reverting each other's pages | 01:02 |
| mhb | ryanakca: it's kind of stupid deleting the whole page without notifying the testing team | 01:02 |
| ryanakca | mhb: well, revert, and place a note saying "Please do not modify unless you are on the testing team"... | 01:03 |
| mhb | ryanakca: last modifications were from a Canonical guy (which does Ubuntu development) and Hobbsee | 01:03 |
| ryanakca | there should be a link at the bottom saying who deleted / modified it too, contact them and ask them to ask the team before modifying... | 01:03 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:03 |
| ryanakca | hmm... | 01:04 |
| ryanakca | no clue :) | 01:04 |
| firephoto | maybe they're just figuring they'll aggregate everything from irc and forum test reports? it kind of looks that way to me. | 01:04 |
| mhb | ryanakca: can you do me a favor? If Hobbsee arrives and you're here, tell her about my last few lines, okay? | 01:04 |
| ryanakca | sure | 01:04 |
| mhb | firephoto: yes, but there has been added a certain degree of unusability | 01:07 |
| mhb | firephoto: for example, the daily CD build is not a link, it's just a number | 01:07 |
| mhb | firephoto: you can't find a download link, it sends you to Testing/Current which also doesn't say anything about links, it links you back to that page | 01:08 |
| firephoto | yep, bugs in one place, results in another, howto somewhere else. | 01:10 |
| mhb | firephoto: I haven't found ANY Howto find the download links, though. | 01:10 |
| firephoto | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/HowTo is all i see for instructions. | 01:11 |
| mhb | firephoto: hmm... | 01:11 |
| mhb | firephoto: can you get there from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/Kubuntu ? | 01:11 |
| mhb | firephoto: with only your mouse | 01:11 |
| firephoto | no, it links from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current | 01:11 |
| mhb | firephoto: oh, you mean the small link at the top? | 01:12 |
| mhb | it's hardly visible | 01:12 |
| firephoto | right. | 01:12 |
| mhb | firephoto: the bold text is the center of my concentration | 01:12 |
| mhb | and that returns me back. Oh jolly. | 01:12 |
| firephoto | yep, i clicked around for 5 minutes looking and reading then i saw the howto link. | 01:13 |
| Riddell | mhb: what had you added? | 01:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: the reshuffle of pages seems to be part of an attempt to make a new forums testing team | 01:15 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm, great | 01:15 |
| mhb | Riddell: why had nobody informed me about it? | 01:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: I guess they don't know about kubuntu-testers, it's heno you want | 01:16 |
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| mhb | Riddell: I don't think Hobbsee (who deleted my stuff and linked to the dailies-only stuff) doesn't know testers | 01:17 |
| Riddell | oh, I don't know then | 01:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: it seems like somebody has been put in charge of a project I don't know about. | 01:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: are testers going to be disbanded? | 01:19 |
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| mhb | hmm, I need to sleep now, goodnight all | 01:20 |
| Jucato | g'night mhb! | 01:21 |
| ryanakca | night mhb | 01:27 |
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| manchicken | w00t. | 01:45 |
| manchicken | I got a nice little dark theme going... | 01:45 |
| manchicken | But it's kinda... dark. | 01:45 |
| Riddell | mhb: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-January/023105.html | 01:46 |
| manchicken | This flat SVG icon set is quite nice though. | 01:46 |
| Riddell | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 | 01:46 |
| nixternal | so what is the Herd2 release looking like? late? | 01:54 |
| Riddell | nixternal: tomorrow european morning | 02:03 |
| manchicken | mmm... green... | 02:17 |
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| manchicken | I wonder if the folks over at Linden are going to make .debs for SecondLife. | 03:59 |
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| jdong | manchicken: sure, they just run alien on their RPM's :D | 04:53 |
| jdong | *cough* BitTorrent 5.x.x debs *cough* :D | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | heya jdong | 04:58 |
| jdong | hi Hobbsee | 04:58 |
| manchicken | torrent is great for free software ^_^ | 05:09 |
| manchicken | jdong: The SecondLife client is now Free Software. | 05:09 |
| jdong | manchicken: what does that have to do with decent packaging? | 05:16 |
| jdong | ;-) | 05:16 |
| jdong | Beryl took half a year to get decent packaging | 05:16 |
| jdong | and BitTorrent IMO is still fairly free software | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | beryl has decent packaging now? | 05:18 |
| manchicken | jdong: I want GPL'ed java. | 05:18 |
| jdong | manchicken: it's soon to happen | 05:18 |
| jdong | ajmitch: imbrandon uploaded a beryl to feisty :) | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: imbrandon did it | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | finally.. | 05:19 |
| jdong | ajmitch: I would assume that'd be top-caliber packaging :) | 05:19 |
| jdong | it needs to be bumped to 0.1.4 though :) | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | then go ahead & do it | 05:21 |
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| Hobbsee | manchicken: yay :) | 05:37 |
| Jucato | hm... would anyo of you know if our Qt in Kubuntu is built with -dlopen-opengl or not? | 05:59 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: poke | 08:22 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: poke back :) | 08:30 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: hi | 08:30 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: did you know about the fact that non-daily testing will happen only at the forums? | 08:30 |
| === mhb didn't | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: I've noticed you modified the Testing/Kubuntu/Current , so I thought you did | 08:31 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: sorry? non-daily testing? | 08:31 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: testing something other than daily CDs | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ie, what are they testing? | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | are you talking about #kubuntu-testers, or what? | 08:32 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/Kubuntu is currently for daily-CD installation testing, or so it seems | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i'll ask mithrandir / heno why | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ah, it's moved to the kubuntu section on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Short | 08:36 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: still only about dailies, or so I understand | 08:37 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: no place for dist-upgrade testing, no place for testing the Herd CDs themselves, not only the latest dailies | 08:39 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: the layout of the page seems to indicate only daily CDs and regressions are tested | 08:40 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: dist-upgrading needs to be tested too IMO, same as new features | 08:41 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: my point is that testing dailies only is not much fun and restricting testers to boring stuff only won't make them very productive | 08:51 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: latest daily's become herd cds themselves | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | and they dont ask for people to test cds, if they're not releasing a herd release | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | true - the forum stuff appears to be testing only to-be releases - which was a canonical job mostly ,before | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i'm not sure that actual testing of the DE as such on feisty is being asked for at all, or has previously | 08:56 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: well, I thought the idea behind k-t was to get people together who will test | 08:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: just about anything they want | 08:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: and that I/we should give them the chance | 08:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I understand that if you say "it's not being asked for anymore" , you think yourself it's not needed | 08:59 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: what should we do with the Kubuntu Testing team then? | 09:00 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: in the light of the recent events your question remains valid | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: on the contrary. the cd testing stuff of *ubuntu is separate from the KT - although the KT will presumably test the cds from time to time, as we grow closer to each herd release. as it currently stands, i suspect they need to be given instructinos on where to test, and how to report their results | 09:01 |
| === Hobbsee seems to be getting confused easily today | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: maybe it's time to reconsider the structure | 09:05 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: forums might be a good idea because it's easier to post there | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: really, KT is whatever you want it to be - and you can ask htem to test specific areas, until those areas get perfect - or go with the mozilla smoke test idea, as done with the cds with the short section, and get a variety of feedback widely | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | noo....not the forums... | 09:05 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: no? | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | do you have any idea how many people hate the forums? | 09:06 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I don't | 09:06 |
| === Hobbsee has various connections, being able to get people on the forums to test specific thigns, also | ||
| Hobbsee | also, ubuntuforums tends to be pretty dodgy, unless they're testing something very specific like a cd | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | else they just come back wiht some correct feedback, and lots of chatter about other bugs, or sections that i'd specifically not asked for feedback on, etc | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | (eg. do wifi cards work with current kernel - do not give me feedback if you need ndiswrapper to make your card work) | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | or if the card works, but not with networkmanager | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | a whole heap of the responses i got back fell into those two categories | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | so i'm unconvinced that forums are the way to go - at least UF. | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i think that reconsidering structure, etc is wise. giving people a concrete plan of what we want is also hlepful | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: probably, the wide testing (ie, testing kdesu works, screensavers, etc) would be done when we get a new release of KDE | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | if they're running feisty, they're probably reporting bugsd anyway, on what they randomly find is wrong. | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | i'd suggest that the testers would apply to situations like "we've done a whole lot of work on this feature, can you test it, and see how it works, fi there are any regressions" | 09:10 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: I'm listening | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...drat. i wasnt going to send that money there yet | 09:11 |
| === Hobbsee ntoes that doing other things while working on banking stuff is a bad idea | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: sorry .o) | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | it's fine :) | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | it's been happening for a while - otn just from irc | 09:12 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: do you think any of that is vaguely sensible idea? | 09:13 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: yes | 09:13 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: also wants to be involved | 09:13 |
| Hobbsee | (aiee, how'd my credit card get that high?) | 09:13 |
| mhb | the biggest pain of all for a hypothetical tester was editing a wiki, anyway | 09:14 |
| Hobbsee | if it's well formatted, it shouldnt be hard | 09:14 |
| Hobbsee | and they dont need extra logins, etc | 09:14 |
| Hobbsee | wiki formatting is awful, though. asking testers to do that would be very mean :P | 09:14 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: so we'd do a page where the current stuff that needs to be tested is located? | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ie; | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | ATTENTION TESTERS | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | this stuff needs testing: foo bar blah bling | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | RESULTS: | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | [table with results, which people can write in] | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | {end of page} | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 09:18 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: yes, something like that | 09:18 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: would that be effective? | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: why dont you use the channel topic of KT for that? | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | i'd think so - but i'd definetly use the #KT channel, with a link to the wiki page | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | it's useful to have it on the results page for reference, so people can wrok on one page - and test offline, if htey wish | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | ie, because people tend not to subscribe to wiki pages, as there are so many changes | 09:20 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: you're probably right | 09:35 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: thanks for the comments and all | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: not a problem :) anytime :) | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i would suggest picking ryanakca's brain on this stuff too, and i'm happy to work with you | 09:36 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: surely I will | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:38 |
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| elcuco | can anyone help me confrim a bug 78856? | 10:30 |
| Ubug2 | Malone bug 78856 in kdebase "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78856 | 10:30 |
| elcuco | basically i would like you to run "killall kdesktop, strace -f -eopen -o 1.txt kdesktop", and then see it kdelibs.mo is loaded by kdestop (search for it in 1.txt) | 10:30 |
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| ryanakca | Hobbsee: no picking my brain! | 12:45 |
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: awww...but... | 01:08 |
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: but brain picking is such fun! | 01:19 |
| === Hobbsee mmm...brains... | ||
| Riddell | ryanakca: I thought of some other python tasks to be done | 01:20 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: porting onboard on screen keyboard to qt 4 and implementing ubiquity-slideshow | 01:20 |
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| mhb | hi | 01:36 |
| mhb | I'm back | 01:36 |
| Mez | was it someone in here who had issues with katapult ? | 01:37 |
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| mhb | elcuco: you could have asked at #kubuntu-testers | 02:19 |
| mhb | elcuco: but anyway, I've tried to reproduce it and yes, it doesn't seem to load some translations (nor kdelibs.mo) | 02:22 |
| mhb | elcuco: this probably explains why you get "Copy" and "Paste" when you right click on an icon, even though those lines are surely translated | 02:22 |
| mhb | elcuco: if you'd be so kind please check if there isn't a duplicate of that bug. Check my latest comment for a clue how the duplicate may be called. | 02:27 |
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| mhb | Riddell: will KDE 3.5.6 get into Feisty? | 02:35 |
| Riddell | mhb: I expect so | 02:35 |
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| mhb | Riddell: I intend to fix bug 78318 and bug 78856 , they are most probably related, but it's probably wiser to wait with it until 3.5.6, right? | 02:36 |
| Ubug2 | Malone bug 78318 in kdebase "Screensaver unlock dialog ignores translation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78318 | 02:36 |
| Ubug2 | Malone bug 78856 in kdebase "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78856 | 02:36 |
| elcuco | mhb: hi, thanks for the suggestion | 02:36 |
| Riddell | mhb: waiting won't help | 02:37 |
| elcuco | mhb: are you martin? | 02:38 |
| mhb | elcuco: Martin Bhm | 02:38 |
| mhb | Riddell: I'll do it right away then. Thanks for advice. | 02:39 |
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| pinheiro | seele: were is the meeting? | 02:56 |
| Riddell | meeting? | 02:56 |
| pinheiro | hci | 02:56 |
| pinheiro | hia Riddell | 02:56 |
| seele | pinheiro: dunno lemme find out | 02:56 |
| Riddell | hola | 02:56 |
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| seele | pinheiro: #kde-hci | 02:56 |
| pinheiro | k | 02:56 |
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| seaLne | hmm i was about to do a dist-upgrade on feisty then noticed kde was going to be removed | 03:04 |
| seaLne | i something between kubuntu and ubuntu desktops conflicting now? | 03:11 |
| sebas | You mean other than stupid user fighting about which is better, KDE or GNOME? | 03:12 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 03:13 |
| seaLne | i mean if i select install kubuntu-desktop in adept, which it wanted to remove it then says it is going to delete ubuntu-desktop and its stuff | 03:13 |
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| apokryphos | sounds like a conflict; happens a few times in the development release | 03:13 |
| apokryphos | shouldn't happen in final | 03:13 |
| seaLne | yeah, more a warning to any other feisty users here to pay attention :) | 03:14 |
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| Riddell | seaLne: seems python transition is going to be the fun for the next week | 03:22 |
| seaLne | i was wondering if it was it | 03:24 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:10 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 04:11 |
| lotusleaf | Kubuntu = divine | 04:11 |
| apokryphos | hehe | 04:12 |
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| n8k99 | is there an irc channel for feisty? | 04:42 |
| lotusleaf | n8k99: #ubuntu+1 | 04:43 |
| lotusleaf | yw in advance ;) | 04:43 |
| n8k99 | thanks! | 04:43 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:44 |
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| DaSkreech | kwwii: Hello | 04:58 |
| DaSkreech | oh hi pinheiro As well :) | 04:58 |
| kwwii | howdy DaSkreech | 04:59 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Just found an article I thought you might find interesting | 05:00 |
| DaSkreech | Do you know about haiku? | 05:00 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: well, I know what haiku is in the classical sense | 05:02 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: url? | 05:02 |
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| DaSkreech | http://haiku-os.org/node/280 | 05:07 |
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| DaSkreech | kwwii: It's an open source BeOS as a quick history | 05:15 |
| kwwii | wow, cool | 05:16 |
| kwwii | I like the cartoonish icons | 05:16 |
| Jucato | O.o | 05:16 |
| kwwii | whoever is making those is doing a great job | 05:22 |
| DaSkreech | stippi | 05:27 |
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| DaSkreech | It's looking pretty good though and the technical stuff for the SVG things are pretty good | 05:36 |
| Lure | Riddell: daily 0111 is Herd2? | 05:42 |
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| Lure | Riddell: Herd2 issue - bug 78961 | 06:23 |
| Ubug2 | Malone bug 78961 in ubiquity "Kubuntu Herd2: crash when starting partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78961 | 06:23 |
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| Lure | nixternal, Riddell: I think "UI Language Selector" section should be removed from announcement part as it is not in Herd2... | 07:40 |
| nixternal | interesting | 07:41 |
| nixternal | removed. thanks Lure | 07:42 |
| Lure | nixternal: you can probably just move it to Herd3 as I am sure Riddell will re-do that part | 07:43 |
| nixternal | thats what i am doing now | 07:43 |
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| glatzor | manchicken: hi | 08:03 |
| glatzor | manchicken: Do you want to create the QT frontend of software-properties? | 08:03 |
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| DaSkreech | Who would I have to speak to in order to get to the Hardware database at canonical? | 08:41 |
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| manchicken | glatzor: If you want to, I don't mind. | 08:50 |
| manchicken | glatzor: I have no problem avoiding Python ^_^ | 08:50 |
| gnomefreak | right now is best time to avoid python ;) | 08:52 |
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| manchicken | C++ isn't my favorite language, but with Qt making it so much nicer, C++/Qt is quite nice. | 08:56 |
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| glatzor | manchicken: pyqt is also quite nice | 09:57 |
| manchicken | glatzor: Yeah, but I prefer C++/Qt ^_^ | 09:58 |
| glatzor | manchicken: i have put the new features on hold and currently I am writing on a complete separation of the user interface and the sources handling | 09:59 |
| manchicken | Groovy. | 09:59 |
| glatzor | manchicken: you want to rewrite it using c++ or add a pyqt frontend? | 09:59 |
| manchicken | I think it should be retrofitted with pyqt. | 10:00 |
| glatzor | I suggested to write it desktop neutral at UDS Paris, but Kubuntu rejected. | 10:00 |
| manchicken | There's already a fair amount of logic in Py that's not Qt. | 10:00 |
| glatzor | retrofitted? | 10:00 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 10:00 |
| manchicken | The Glade/GTK implementation is rather embedded. | 10:00 |
| glatzor | I am not familiar with this term :) | 10:00 |
| manchicken | The UI should be separated from the business logic. | 10:00 |
| glatzor | manchicken: do you you know if adpet takes /etc/apt.sources.d into account? | 10:01 |
| manchicken | I don't know. | 10:02 |
| manchicken | I wouldn't really be surprised either way. | 10:02 |
| glatzor | If yes, the support should be added to adpet, software-properties could also be easily limited to a single config file | 10:03 |
| glatzor | manchicken: I hope that the separation will be finished by the end of next week | 10:04 |
| fdoving | wouldn't it be preferable for ubuntu and kubuntu to use the same sources.* ? | 10:04 |
| manchicken | Groovy. | 10:04 |
| manchicken | They do.' | 10:04 |
| fdoving | then adept must take sources.d/ into account. | 10:05 |
| fdoving | (don't they all use libapt/libept?) | 10:05 |
| manchicken | Have you seen Adept's code? | 10:08 |
| fdoving | some of it. | 10:09 |
| fdoving | it builddepends on libapt-front-dev, that's why i suspect it uses whatever sources.* the other frontends use. | 10:11 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: porting the on screen keyboard to qt4... never used Qt... and I presume it's in GTK+ atm? ubiquity-slideshow, what is that? | 10:14 |
| glatzor | fdoving: libept author's goal was to do apt in the right way. I think that he didn't like the concept of splitting configuration files | 10:19 |
| glatzor | manchicken: do you want to software-properties-kde be instant or explicit apply? | 10:21 |
| glatzor | manchicken: currently every changes gets directly written to the config files. | 10:22 |
| glatzor | manchicken: will it be part of kcontrol? I think kcontrol uses cancel-ok, right? | 10:23 |
| glatzor | sorry, but I haven't used KDE for years :) | 10:24 |
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| nixternal | http://www.vandenoever.info/misc/keyes/ | 11:05 |
| nixternal | hahahahahaha | 11:05 |
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| nixternal | sebas: ^^ nice eyes :) | 11:05 |
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| Lure | nixternal: lol | 11:30 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: qt is what KDE uses. ubiquity-slideshow has a spec | 11:44 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: yeah, know that... never used Qt in programming... have a guide or something for porting the keyboard for <bleep> to Qt4? | 11:45 |
| === ryanakca looks for the spec | ||
| ryanakca | found it :) | 11:48 |
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