[12:14] <katabatic> somebody PLEASE help.........
[12:14] <MrLinux> yes Yuma
[12:15] <intelikey> heh frojnd modprobe -l i2c
[12:15] <intelikey> try that one.
[12:15] <MrLinux> I have some background broceses runing now is a problem ?
[12:15] <animimotus> I have search in manual and program preferences
[12:15] <intelikey> heh frojnd modprobe -l i2c-*   even
[12:15] <Yuma> MrLinux: You should have the Add programs open.
[12:15] <Yuma> MrLinux: The "Add/Remove Programs" program.
[12:16] <Yuma> MrLinux: Close it, because it locks the apt-get (the "original" installer).
[12:16] <frojnd> FATAL: Can't have multiple wildcard
[12:16] <intelikey> frojnd i normally just turn on bash_completion and do a modprobe i2c[tab_key] 
[12:16] <MrLinux> Need to get 206kB of archives.
[12:16] <MrLinux> After unpacking 586kB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:16] <MrLinux> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[12:16] <MrLinux> Yes ?
[12:16] <NeonLightning> what is the command line to mount a drive so my user can get at it
[12:16] <NeonLightning> and write to it
[12:17] <Yuma> MrLinux: Yes!
[12:17] <frojnd> intelikey: huh?
[12:17] <intelikey> NeonLightning mount.
[12:17] <Yuma> MrLinux: You want that, don't you?
[12:17] <MrLinux> yes ofecorse :D
[12:17] <NeonLightning> well mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 doesn't let my user write to it
[12:17] <Yuma> MrLinux: Then *Go*!
[12:17] <MrLinux> * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                             [ ok ] 
[12:17] <MrLinux> Setting up ssh (4.2p1-7ubuntu3) ...
[12:17] <MrLinux> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu#
[12:18] <MrLinux> now what ?
[12:18] <intelikey> NeonLightning then set the permissions
[12:18] <NeonLightning> can i do that from konquer
[12:18] <frojnd> intelikey: i succed:
[12:18] <Yuma> MrLinux: Then you have the ssh port open.
[12:18] <katabatic> SOMEBODY please help me figure out why it's not connecting to the router with DHCP automatically on boot, on wired network. I can tell it to connect manually, and it connects, but not automatically at boot! I installed some packages, and it stopped working, can't figure out what.
[12:18] <MrLinux> is open now ?
[12:18] <Yuma> MrLinux: Well, it's not open, it's listening for a ssh connection.
[12:18] <MrLinux> tnx man :P
[12:18] <Yuma> MrLinux: No problem.
[12:19] <Yuma> katabatic: Is the router configured to be a Dhcp server?
[12:19] <intelikey> NeonLightning you first of all didn't specify what the fs was.   meaning that we would have to assume linux ext3   that being the default   (however it's probably ntfs which you should have specified)
[12:19] <frojnd> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1237/
[12:20] <NeonLightning> well one drive is a ext3 and ones a fat32
[12:20] <NeonLightning> but i'm only concerned with getting one right now
[12:20] <Vluid>  /WHOIS
[12:21] <intelikey> frojnd yep   so insert the one that you need.    and don't ask me what you need.  i've never seen your computer nor a hardware list for it.
[12:21] <frojnd> insert in what
[12:21] <intelikey> NeonLightning if the one you mounted is ext3   then sudo chmod 777 /it's/mount/point
[12:22] <fabrizio> scusate ,c' qualche italiano??
[12:22] <Yuma> !it
[12:22] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:22] <Yuma> :)
[12:22] <fabrizio> grazie, ho linux solo da 30 minuti circa e st cercando di scoprire i vari programmi...!!
[12:22] <intelikey> NeonLightning if you want the vfat writable  try   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /it's/mount/point
[12:23] <NeonLightning> remount?
[12:23] <intelikey> NeonLightning the reason they are different is M$ file systems have no permissions bit  so a vertual permissions bit is set for the entire fs.
[12:24] <NeonLightning> yea i knew that but didn't know what remount does
[12:24] <intelikey> NeonLightning it "remounts" it.
[12:24] <Yuma> Well, someone knows any case of having a Vim, Kate, Quanta, Konqueror, Firefox to see some file different of the `cat file`?
[12:24] <intelikey> NeonLightning man mount
[12:25] <intelikey> frojnd insert into the kernel    that's what modprobe does.   it insert a module into the running kernel
[12:25] <NeonLightning> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type vfat (rw,umask=000) and its still not letting me write to it i tried setting the umask to 500 and still not luck
[12:26] <Yuma> Nevermind.
[12:27] <intelikey> hmm   /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type vfat (rw,umask=000)        and echo test > /mnt/hda1/testfile ; cat /mnt/hda1/testfile
[12:27] <frojnd> intelikey: I added one modue into runnig kernel, hod do I use now sensors
[12:27] <NeonLightning> that worked
[12:28] <intelikey> NeonLightning then you have read write access
[12:28] <intelikey> if your file browser cant write close it and try again
[12:28] <NeonLightning> so its just konquerer not listening
[12:29] <intelikey> NeonLightning yeah probably read the perms one time and has it's mind made up that it can't write there.   there is probably a way to refresh that but a close reopen should suffice
[12:30] <NeonLightning> didn't suffice and i noticed that i was going through media not mnt and when i try going through mnt it isn't even letting me do anything other then copy and create a cd out of the folder
[12:31] <intelikey> frojnd did you install the kde front end also ?
[12:31] <intelikey> frojnd ksensors ?
[12:31] <NeonLightning> damn nautilus is so much better but i can't find my normal ubuntu cd's
[12:32] <intelikey> NeonLightning is that a live CD you are running ?
[12:32] <NeonLightning> ya
[12:32] <NeonLightning> i kinda broke my /boot partition on my fc4 install and don't have anywhere to backup my user folder so i can reinstall
[12:33] <NeonLightning> because i just wanbna wipe out that drive but i got stuff i gotta backup off there worth about 40gig
[12:34] <intelikey> NeonLightning ok.   well you could rebuild the boot partition and make it bootable again.... err scratch that.   you don't like the command line....
[12:35] <NeonLightning> i'm find with command line just don't know how to rebuild it
[12:35] <intelikey> !away | zeekstarr
[12:35] <ubotu> zeekstarr: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[12:35] <NeonLightning> everyone just keeps telling methey don't have a clue how to fix it eather
[12:35] <fabrizio> c' qualche italiano??
[12:35] <NeonLightning> the boot partition got formated when i let ym friend use my computer
[12:35] <kris_> ++++++
[12:35] <NeonLightning> well not formated deleted
[12:36] <intelikey> NeonLightning install testdisk  and run it.
[12:36] <NeonLightning> i don't have that drive in the computer right now
[12:36] <NeonLightning> i needed room for my other cdrom so i could still write a cd off the live
[12:36] <intelikey> if the damage is only to the partition table that should recover it.
[12:37] <intelikey> i see
[12:37] <juanito> he
[12:37] <NeonLightning> no they were screwing around in qtparted and removed the partition
[12:37] <juanito> im spanhis
[12:37] <intelikey> yes but if they havent over writen it it should be recoverable
[12:37] <juanito> alguien habla espaol?
[12:37] <intelikey> !es
[12:37] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:38] <juanito> ok
[12:38] <NeonLightning> hrm well i might do that later then(don't got time tonight)
[12:39] <intelikey> and even if it's not you can still copy a kernel and initrd into /boot on the main install partition and reinstall your boot loader and it should boot.
[12:40] <NeonLightning> well i think i have the parition backed up but i don't know how to set it as /boot again
[12:40] <intelikey> just copy it's content to the mountpoint    easiest way
[12:41] <tempy> hi all, on kubuntu 6.10, what repostory is 'qemu' in? i have main restricted universe mulitverse enabled but install qemu failes
[12:41] <NeonLightning> well if i can get my g/f to be find about me and my son chilling at my dad's a bit longer i may do this tonight
[12:41] <intelikey> !qemu
[12:41] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:41] <intelikey> !info qemu
[12:41] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3630 kB, installed size 9860 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390)
[12:41] <tempy> multiverse* failed*
[12:41] <intelikey> it's in universe             ^
[12:42] <tempy> k, weird
[12:42] <intelikey> she will to be find about it some
[12:44] <lenscape> how do I get kubuntu to leave my search path alone in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[12:44] <tempy> is it advisable to have main restricted universe multiverse set in the security.archives?
[12:44] <intelikey> lenscape find the script that's changing it and nuke that puppy
[12:44] <sleepy495> what's the konsole command to see if you have rendering on?
[12:44] <intelikey> or rewrite it that it.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> for  ATI it's fglrxinfo
[12:45] <intelikey> sleepy495 glx something ???
[12:45] <intelikey> i'be never played with it
[12:45] <intelikey> i've
[12:46] <BluesKaj> glxinfo
[12:46] <intelikey> BluesKaj probably  fglrxinfo  that i was thinking about
[12:47] <Yuma> lenscape: Do you configure the network with dhcp?
[12:47] <lenscape> Yuma: yes
[12:48] <intelikey> well i've shut every one up i think i'll go now.
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: There you have the problem.
[12:48] <lenscape> Yuma: in SuSE it is easy to tell dhcpd to leave the search alone
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: dhclient overwrite the information of /etc/resolv.conf with the dhcp server information.
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: I think it's in /etc/conf.d/dhcp
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: Wait, I'll search.
[12:48] <lenscape> Yuma: but I can't find the option in kubuntu
[12:49] <intelikey> lenscape you set the file imutable  :)
[12:49] <lenscape> intelikey: then I don't get the other info
[12:49] <Yuma> lenscape: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient
[12:49] <lenscape> what's annoying is that I've told my dhcp server to announce two search parameters but kubuntu is ignoring the second
[12:49] <Yuma> lenscape: You should do a `info dhclient.conf` to know what to change.
[12:50] <Yuma> lenscape: I can't remember right now.
[12:50] <Yuma> lenscape: Sorry, the file is: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:51] <lenscape> no info on dhclient.conf. Got a man page, though
[12:51] <der0b> Hey folks, is there a way to have Knetworkmanager take my wpa password from kwallet?
[12:51] <lenscape> intelikey: quite. Info is a pain
[12:52] <lenscape> info is almost impossible to navigate in a console. Konqueror makes it usable
[12:52] <Yuma> lenscape, intelikey: Is there any way to make man use less instead of more?
[12:52] <intelikey> !wifi | der0b
[12:52] <ubotu> der0b: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:52] <lenscape> Yuma: use Konqueror
[12:52] <der0b> much thanks
[12:52] <intelikey> that's the best i can do on that der0b not sure it will help
[12:53] <Yuma> lenscape: Konqueror? man;/dhclient.conf?
[12:53] <lenscape> Yuma: #whatever
[12:53] <der0b> I'm thinking I can, doesn't hurt to read a bit :)
[12:53] <der0b> *can't
[12:53] <Yuma> Woooooooo...
[12:53] <lenscape> Yuma: man:/whatever works too
[12:53] <lenscape> also, use
[12:53] <lenscape> ## for info
[12:54] <intelikey> that's it.
[12:54] <Yuma> Hey wait.
[12:54] <intelikey> i knew there was a shorter short cut
[12:54] <Yuma> lenscape, intelikey: The "info problem" isn't of info, but of Konqueror.
[12:54] <intelikey> ## and #  and isn't there something like ! also  or is it |
[12:54] <Yuma> If you open a terminal and do a `info dhclient.conf` you find the information.
[12:55] <lenscape> that's just info reading man pages
[12:55] <intelikey> Yuma not the top node of the info tree ?
[12:55] <intelikey> info is never blank
[12:55] <lenscape> Yuma: that's not a real info page
[12:56] <intelikey> not from the command line it isnt
[12:56] <Yuma> Hmmm, then how are the info pages?
[12:56] <lenscape> anyway, thanks for the pointer. I'll have a play tomorrow.
[12:56] <Yuma> Because I thought info do read the man pages.
[12:56] <intelikey> info nothing@all   and you get a page
[12:57] <Yuma> Oh, but info dhclient.conf do the trick.
[12:57] <intelikey> there are info pages too
[12:57] <Yuma> Not the node tree, but the man page for dhclient.conf.
[12:57] <intelikey> yeah
[12:57] <Yuma> If you can't read in Konqueror it's not an info fault, but a konqueror one.
[12:58] <Yuma> In the small computers that doesn't have X and Kde I like to use info because it uses less instead of more to cat the information.
[12:58] <lenscape> Yuma: you're missing the point. Info will always give you an answer even if it is rubbish. Konqueror is more specific
[12:58] <Yuma> And you can go forward and backward in the information page.
[12:58] <intelikey> to list the info pages installed  ls /usr/share/info
[12:59] <kubuntero> ok
[12:59] <Yuma> intelikey: Oh, I see the difference.
[12:59] <kubuntero> I have to find the capital citied of two countis in north america not including USA
[12:59] <Yuma> info bzip2 is completely different from man bzip2
[01:00] <intelikey> what konq does is searches /usr/share/info/   and if there isn't anything there then no info   and for man /usr/share/man/#/  and if no page then no man
[01:00] <Yuma> lenscape: But using Konqueror to read the man pages is not always possible.
[01:00] <lenscape> Yuma: that's because a lot of Gnu software has a brief man page and detail info page
[01:01] <lenscape> Yuma: sure. Use man when Konqueror isn't appropriate
[01:01] <lenscape> anyway, I'm off. Bye.
[01:01] <Vilhelm1> plz help me, when I run Konqueror, the window is totally empty of icons -> I opened kdesktop in XFCE environment and made some setup but I don't know exactly when something went wrong
[01:01] <Yuma> lenscape: Hehe, ok. We'll talk about this later.
[01:01] <Yuma> lenscape: You're retreating... :)
[01:02] <Vilhelm1> when I open Konqueror in terminal, I get messages that read konqueror: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype inode/directory
[01:02] <intelikey> retire!=retreat
[01:02] <intelikey> Vilhelm1 sounds like a theeme thang.
[01:03] <Vilhelm1> intelikey: maybe, so what should I do?
[01:03] <intelikey> ignore it ?
[01:03] <intelikey> fix it ?
[01:03] <intelikey> change the theme ?
[01:03] <Vilhelm1> hmm...
[01:03] <intelikey> report it as a bug to the theme maker ?
[01:04] <kubuntero> I have to find the capital citied of two countis in north america not including USA. What kind of Homework is that?
[01:04] <intelikey> jump up and down while screeming "i want it to work !"   then hold your breath until you turn blue ?
[01:05] <intelikey> kubuntero that's nice.   but don't ask us to do your home work for you please.
[01:05] <intelikey> try google.com
[01:05] <kubuntero> I;m not I did it already
[01:06] <MidMark> hi, I've a problem on my notebook, it say: unable to find swap-space signature
[01:06] <intelikey> answer is geography for 200
[01:06] <MidMark> and swap isn't enabled
[01:06] <MidMark> what can I do?
[01:06] <kubuntero> I said Puerto rico :-)
[01:07] <Vilhelm1> intelikey: I use XFCE and I have no full control of KDE
[01:07] <Vilhelm1> maybe something's missing?
[01:07] <kubuntero> !kgeography
[01:07] <ubotu> kgeography: Geography learning tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 341 kB, installed size 776 kB
[01:08] <kubuntero> intelikey: Thats the answer ;)
[01:08] <Vilhelm1> and do you think I'd better run kcontrol with sudo?
[01:09] <Yuma> I'm off to sleep.
[01:09] <Yuma> See you other day.
[01:09] <intelikey> MidMark iirc there is an init script that will automatically mount swap partitions even when they are not in fstab   something like mountvirtfs    is this error message a big problem ?
[01:09] <intelikey> Vilhelm1 it probably expects kdesu
[01:10] <CSonicGo> I sure hope the fiesty release gets wireless networking and video support right this time.
[01:11] <intelikey> Vilhelm1 i'm not a gui ex-spert (that would be a drip, right)   so maybe someone else can help you with that.
[01:11] <NeonLightning> intelikey: if i stick the harddrive back in could you guide me through this
[01:11] <MidMark> intelikey: the problem I haven't swap so when my ram is finished?
[01:11] <dope> hey have any of you guys see this: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[01:11] <dope> how do i get that to work?
[01:11] <intelikey> NeonLightning in about 30 minutes i have to make rounds.
[01:12] <NeonLightning> will it take longer then that to fix that boot partition you think
[01:12] <NeonLightning> may take me around 10min to figure out how to get my drives in order again
[01:13] <NeonLightning> poor ribbon and bay placement in this computer
[01:13] <intelikey> MidMark so  sudo dd if=/dev/zero of /.swapfile bs=1048576 count=400 && sudo mkswap /.swapfile && swapon /.swapfile
[01:13] <intelikey> back in a bit.
[01:16] <MidMark> intelikey: yes I have done mkswap and now it backs thanx, try to reboot and see if it still works
[01:17] <MidMark> I have seen that suspend can cause the uuid of swap to change :-/
[01:18] <MidMark> after reboot swap is off again :(
[01:18] <MidMark> any idea?
[01:19] <Vilhelm1> intelikey: when i type kdesu kcontrol, I get message "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[01:28] <MrLinux> is some one on-line ?
[01:29] <MrLinux> I have a question
[01:30] <MrLinux> heloo
[01:30] <MrLinux> is some on here who can help me ?
[01:30] <Lynoure> MrLinux: hard to tell, without you asking
[01:30] <MrLinux> How do I disable the Firewall ?
[01:30] <Lynoure> There is no firewall by default
[01:31] <MrLinux> are you sure ?
[01:31] <MidMark> ok have to change also fstab and fix hibernation
[01:31] <Lynoure> So unless you installed one, there is none. Pretty sure.
[01:31] <Lynoure> MrLinux: but if unsure, do  sudo iptables -L
[01:31] <Lynoure> MrLinux: and put it in pastebin
[01:32] <jordo23> are there 64 bit java packages for kubuntu?
[01:32] <MrLinux> Lynoure:
[01:32] <MrLinux> ubuntu@ubuntu:/sbin$ sudo iptables -L
[01:32] <MrLinux> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[01:32] <MrLinux> target     prot opt source               destination
[01:32] <MrLinux> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[01:33] <MrLinux> target     prot opt source               destination
[01:33] <MrLinux> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[01:33] <MrLinux> target     prot opt source               destination
[01:33] <MrLinux> ubuntu@ubuntu:/sbin$
[01:34] <bomber> is this the new pastebin?
[01:35] <MrLinux> Lynoure:
[01:36] <MrLinux> the firewall is ON ?
[01:38] <MidMark> !java
[01:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:38] <MidMark> !sun-java5
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java5 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <MidMark> !sun-java
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <MidMark> !sun-java5-jre
[01:38] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[01:38] <MaxDamage``> hello guys :p
[01:39] <Lynoure> !pastebin | MrLinux
[01:39] <ubotu> MrLinux: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:40] <sleepy495> what's the command to remove a .deb package? is it dpkg -i?
[01:40] <Lynoure> MrLinux: anyway, no firewall...
[01:40] <MrLinux> ok
[01:40] <MrLinux> tnx
[01:41] <Lynoure> sleepy495: there are many, apt-get remove   is one
[01:41] <Lynoure> sleepy495: or dpkg --purge
[01:41] <sleepy495> thanks, one more question, what's apt-get clean do?
[01:41] <Lynoure> sleepy495: latter removes configuration files too, so be careful with it.
[01:42] <sleepy495> ok
[01:42] <Lynoure> sleepy495: it removes the local cache of .deb files, that is, not installations, just the files that were installed from
[01:42] <MaxDamage``> hey guys, im having trouble with direct rendering
[01:43] <MaxDamage``> im using 6.10 edgy
[01:43] <MaxDamage``> a friend gave me some things to add to xorg.conf but i keep messing it up
[01:43] <MaxDamage``> can anyone help?
[01:43] <Lynoure> sleepy495: Not the command to do right after you have installed the new version of something risky :)
[01:44] <Lynoure> sleepy495: other than that it is very safe thing to do to free up some disk space.
[01:44] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: depends on what you are adding, and how it messes up
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> let's go private
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> lemme just register :/
[01:45] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: I would not recommend it, unless you do not want anyone else to help
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> oh
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> well it's a lot of things to add
[01:45] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: it's almost 03:00 here, I might fall asleep any moment :)
[01:46] <sleepy495> do I just type apt-get clean and the package itself or just apt-get clean?
[01:46] <MaxDamage``> same time here ;)
[01:46] <MaxDamage``> 02:46
[01:46] <Lynoure> sleepy495: just apt-get clean, usually, though hmm, see man apt-get to see if clean can take parametres?
[01:47] <Lynoure> sleepy495: no, it even cannot take any parametres.
[01:48] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: the channel is quiet enough, ask here, use pastebin and you'll be well and dandy :)
[01:48] <sleepy495> k,thanks
[01:49] <MaxDamage``> oh, yeah i forgot about pastebin :D
[01:49] <MaxDamage``> just a second
[01:51] <MaxDamage``> okay there
[01:51] <MaxDamage``> http://pastebin.com/857236
[01:51] <MaxDamage``> that's what he said i should put in my xorg.conf
[01:52] <MaxDamage``> i put it... and it crapped
[01:52] <MaxDamage``> lol
[01:52] <MaxDamage``> had to run a live cd to learn konsole cmd's
[01:56] <bky> my USB mouse is being a pain, it works some of the time... it seems like every other boot it doesn't work, it's not even listed in /dev/input, and i can't figure out why
[01:56] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: did you keep a copy of the old one, at least?
[01:56] <MaxDamage``> yes!
[01:56] <MaxDamage``> i wouldnt be here if i hadn't
[01:56] <MaxDamage``> :D
[01:56] <Lynoure> The pastebin is taking a bit now, it seems
[01:58] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: did you get a syntax error on the configuration or just something else?
[01:58] <Minataku> bky: Have you tried un/replugging it in while running?
[01:58] <Minataku> It could be marginal HW, like it's not properly recieving/processing the wakeup call
[01:59] <bky> yes, when it works i can unplug it and plug it in as much as I want and it still works. when it doesn't work, unpluging it does nothing
[01:59] <MaxDamage``> i didnt get anything
[01:59] <MaxDamage``> just didnt wanna start
[01:59] <bky> in fact, it doesn't even light up after i unplug it when it's not working
[01:59] <Minataku> bky: So if it doesn't work at boot, it won't work at all that whole uptime session?
[02:00] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: you are missing various EndSection  things at least, I think
[02:00] <bky> and the mouse is fine- it works fine when it works and was running perfectly on windows a month ago and fedora a day ago
[02:00] <Minataku> Even after "reseating" it a couple times?
[02:00] <bky> yes
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> well im kinda new at this stuff
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> i see some things down there
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> but i dont know if i should change them
[02:00] <bky> i can unplug it and plug it in (I tired different ports) and it will not work if it didn't work on boot
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> altho i can fix a broken config now
[02:00] <hanso> when I run apt-get there is a message about packages not used anymore and that I can remove them using "apt-get autoremove". is that a smart thing to do or?
[02:01] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: you can prolly see them when comparing to the original   or you could also look at  man xorg.conf
[02:01] <bky> and normally it will power on reguardless (i have borken the mouse drivers a few times on fedora), but it will not even power
[02:01] <thev> KDE is randomly restarting on me.  I don't get an error.  Just X restarting  Can anyone help me trace the problem?
[02:01] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: there might be other things wrong too, but I'm too sleepy to see them.
[02:01] <thev> it's highly disconcerting
[02:01] <Minataku> thev: There's ALWAYS an error
[02:01] <MrLinux> Lynoure:
[02:01] <MrLinux> If I don't istall the Kubuntu
[02:01] <phobiac> Ark won't install .deb files. I get the error, "the utility ar is not in your PATH."
[02:01] <phobiac> Any ideas?
[02:01] <thev> I mean it doesn't post an error like when a program crashes
[02:01] <Minataku> bky: Check dmesg for info?
[02:02] <Minataku> thev: It'll be in a log file
[02:02] <MaxDamage``> Lynoure: yeah, i guess so.. got msn/icq/skype so we can talk later when ur okay? :P
[02:02] <bky> checking..
[02:02] <MrLinux> now I run it
[02:02] <MrLinux> on I boot
[02:02] <MrLinux> My oter system is afected ?
[02:02] <thev> Minataku - how do I find the log file it would be in?
[02:02] <MrLinux> My oter operating sistem will be afected ?
[02:02] <Minataku> I think /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:02] <intelikey> back
[02:02] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: sorry, I do pro bono support only here, other things I charge for.
[02:02] <Minataku> Failing that, /var/log/kdm.log (if KDM has such, I use xdm)
[02:03] <MaxDamage``> im not asking for support
[02:03] <MaxDamage``> nothing's broken
[02:03] <MaxDamage``> just a little help
[02:03] <bky> will dmesg show things from the last boot? (the mouse is working right now)
[02:03] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: If you want small talk or chitchat, I'm pretty much always on #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:03] <Minataku> bky: Hm
[02:03] <Minataku> One moment please
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> i see
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> well okay then
[02:04] <intelikey> bky no it wont
[02:04] <Minataku> bky: Do you have a /var/log/messages ?
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> i think i'll ask my question later again
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> lol
[02:04] <Minataku> intelikey is right, it won't, I was just looking for the alternative
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> and now i think i'll get some sleep
[02:04] <thev> hmmm there is an error initializing GLX
[02:04] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` ask it now  i might be able to answer it
[02:04] <bky> yes I will look in there
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> well i did
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> i think..
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> oh wait
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> it fucked and didnt send it
[02:05] <intelikey> language .
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> intel, i got a problem with direct rendering
[02:05] <Jucato> !language
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> sorry.. :p
[02:05] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:05] <Minataku> thev: Now you're on the track to finding out what's wrong :D
[02:06] <bky> i don't see any usb/mouse related errors in messages. 1 sec i'll upload it to my server...
[02:06] <intelikey> who had that boot partition problem ?
[02:06] <bky> errr actaully I can't. lol
[02:06] <Minataku> lol
[02:07] <thev> maybe I'll just try reinstalling NVidia driver
[02:07] <Minataku> Hm... that's a perplexing problem, though one that seems somewhat familiar
[02:07] <Minataku> thev: That could fix it
[02:07] <thev> ok, we'll see.  Thanks for the help Minataku!
[02:07] <Minataku> bky: The mouse you said works on the same computer?
[02:07] <Minataku> thev: No problem ^^
[02:07] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` in the channel please.   but do 3d is kinda out of the console realm
[02:08] <MaxDamage``> okay okay..
[02:08] <bky> yes, the mouse works for sure
[02:08] <MaxDamage``> i got a problem with 3d rendering and a friend told me i gotta add some things to xorg.conf
[02:09] <MaxDamage``> http://pastebin.com/857236
[02:09] <intelikey> bky what is your issue ?
[02:09] <MaxDamage``> there they are
[02:09] <MaxDamage``> but i keep messing it up
[02:10] <bky> my usb mouse isn't detected sometimes, it doesn't even show up in dev, but normally a reboot fixes it.
[02:10] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` no  "endsection"   line on that device
[02:10] <bky> unpluging doesn't help
[02:10] <MaxDamage``> aha
[02:10] <MaxDamage``> okay
[02:10] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` can't start a new section without closing the first.
[02:11] <intelikey> or actually i'm not sure you can't inbed them but i wouldn't
[02:11] <MaxDamage``> why not?
[02:12] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: Your friend could not help you further? Depending on what you want to do, "ati" driver might work as well as "radeon". Does 9200 do AGPMode 4? If I recall, at least 9000 did not yet.
[02:12] <intelikey> even if that was the intent.  you are still one    endsection   short of syntax
[02:12] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: but, yeah, if you are missing EndSections, fixing anything else will not help you.
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> Lynoure: he went offline .. :/
[02:13] <jason10> whats goin on
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> probably an internet connection problem
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> well what should i do
[02:13] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: You could pastebin your whole xorg.conf
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> put these things in the end of the file
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> okay
[02:14] <jason10> anybody here use kxdocker?
[02:14] <intelikey> and also the  load *   lines need in a section too i think    section "modules"    iirc
[02:15] <jason10> no?
[02:15] <MaxDamage``> http://pastebin.com/857257
[02:16] <MaxDamage``> here it is
[02:16] <intelikey> bky i don't seem to find anything on that.   i would assume it's an init script problem because udev only makes device nodes for the things that it's told to make.
[02:17] <intelikey> bky possably something finishing a little too quickly or starting at the wrong time.
[02:18] <bky> hmm, ok, well, I will look at the logs more. I can check if changing runlevels fixes it or not
[02:18] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: you seem to have multiples of some sections...
[02:18] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: like "device"
[02:18] <MaxDamage``> yeah, that's what i noticed
[02:18] <MaxDamage``> is it bad?
[02:18] <intelikey> maybe changing /etc/rcS.d/??makedev  to a different number   ?
[02:18] <intelikey> bky ^
[02:19] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: I'm not sure whether it just overrides or messes it all up :)
[02:19] <MaxDamage``> i thought so too...
[02:19] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: with same bus id, I'd bet on the latter
[02:19] <MaxDamage``> bet on the latter?
[02:20] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: that it messes up :)
[02:21] <MaxDamage``> aha :p
[02:21] <Lynoure> But I'm too sleepy to dig into that
[02:21] <intelikey> got a call gota run.
[02:21] <MaxDamage``> well under each device section it's a different device
[02:21] <MaxDamage``> so i dont see what's wrong
[02:22] <Lynoure> if it is, then ok.
[02:22] <MaxDamage``> well okay, i gotta run too..
[02:22] <MaxDamage``> getting really late
[02:22] <MaxDamage``> and i gotta meet my gf at 11
[02:23] <MaxDamage``> :p
[02:23] <MaxDamage``> bye :)
[02:23] <Lynoure> But they have a same bus id, which is a bit weird...
[02:23] <Lynoure> oh well.
[02:24] <MaxDamage``> uh?
[02:24] <MaxDamage``> probably.. i'll check that too :)
[02:24] <MaxDamage``> bye :)
[02:34] <jairo> saludos
[02:35] <jairo> alguien me puede ayudar?
[02:35] <jairo> necesito ayuda urgente por favor...
[02:35] <Hawkwind> !es
[02:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:36] <jairo> gracias amigo
[02:37] <bonbonthejon> hi all
[02:37] <jairo> nadie responde en el canal kubuntu-es
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> he has a point.
[02:38] <jairo> alguien me puede ayudar?
[02:38] <bonbonthejon> jairo: if you can speak english we can help you
[02:40] <BluesKaj> guess not
[02:40] <bonbonthejon> nope
[02:40] <jairo> bonbonthejon: i dont enter with the root
[02:41] <bonbonthejon> jairo: are you trying to use the root password?
[02:42] <jairo> during the instalation the program dont give me the option
[02:42] <bonbonthejon> jairo: you do not need one for many things
[02:42] <jairo> what?
[02:43] <bonbonthejon> jairo: kubuntu uses sudo, which uses your user's password
[02:43] <jairo> how can mount the windows partition?
[02:43] <bonbonthejon> jairo: you can set it with 'sudo passwd root' if you till need it
[02:43] <bonbonthejon> still*
[02:43] <jairo> i try it, but dont work
[02:44] <bonbonthejon> jairo: sudo will ask for your password, then passwd will ask for a root password
[02:45] <jairo> y enter the password and confirm ot, but when the program ask me the password for the root, and i enter this password, dont work
[02:45] <bonbonthejon> jairo: you are setting the root password
[02:45] <bonbonthejon> jairo: then you can do 'su' to become root, if you need that
[02:45] <jairo> yes, i setting the root password
[02:45] <jairo> how i make thos?
[02:45] <jairo> this?
[02:45] <Jucato> !sudo | jairo
[02:45] <ubotu> jairo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:46] <jairo> ok
[02:46] <jairo> y read that
[02:46] <bonbonthejon> jairo: read that, if you still have problems, ask again
[02:47] <jairo> one question please
[02:47] <jairo> how i can mount hte windows partition?
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> !windows
[02:47] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> #ntfs
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> !ntfs
[02:47] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:47] <CSonicGo> hahahaha what
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> jairo: ^^^^
[02:48] <bonbonthejon> CSonicGo: never seen that?
[02:48] <jairo> ah?
[02:48] <jairo> what is the command?
[02:49] <bonbonthejon> !ntfs | jairo
[02:49] <ubotu> jairo: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:49] <jairo> ok
[02:49] <CSonicGo> no heh that's rich
[02:50] <Lam_> what the heck is happening to my system? my secondary drive was corrupted, and when i managed to reactive the drive with fsck -f -c to reallocate the bad sectors to retreive the data, the data was trasnferring to my main drive when that drive started saying it has bad sectors when i scanned it no less than a week ago and it was perfectly fine
[02:55] <beg1689> is kubuntu the same as ubuntu just with a different default desktop?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:56] <BluesKaj> kde desktop in kubuntu
[02:56] <beg1689> but nothing else is different?
[02:56] <beg1689> like the kenel?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> not that i'm aware of
[02:56] <beg1689> ok
[02:57] <beg1689> i took the linux distro test and it said i should use kubuntu
[02:57] <beg1689> currently im using fedora core 6
[02:57] <BluesKaj> linux distro test?
[02:58] <beg1689> should have said "a" not "the"
[02:58] <beg1689> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true
[02:58] <beg1689> asks you some questions and recommends a distro,  seems cool, fedora core is the only one ive tried so far
[02:59] <beg1689> but it didnt show up in my results (because i said i liked KDE and fedora is gnome-based)
[03:00] <beg1689> and about 64 bit support... should i just install the x86 version?
[03:00] <beg1689> i always seemed to have strange problems running 64 bit, and as far as i know i dont really need to
[03:01] <Rob-West> nixternal
[03:01] <bonbonthejon> yay the test said I should use kubuntu
[03:01] <beg1689> lol
[03:02] <nidkea> Can someone explain to me what's wrong with my ktorrent? My mates running it and getting AWESOME down speed. I'm running it and getting crap. And my ports are even forwarded.
[03:02] <beg1689> ok i guess my last quesation before i toss fc6 out the door and put ubuntu in is, it is debian based, does that mean it supprots .deb packages and such?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:03] <beg1689> cool
[03:03] <BluesKaj> dpkg -i is the cmd :)
[03:04] <manchicken> I learned something new that I hadn't known before.
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> beg1689: install kubuntu and never look back
[03:04] <manchicken> `dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/perl` will tell you what deb package /usr/bin/perl belongs to.
[03:04] <TheDebugger> Kubuntu!
[03:04] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: you should use apt-get first
[03:05] <lupine_85> kubuntu++
[03:05] <BluesKaj> apt-get on a deb pkg ?
[03:05] <muesli_> what packages do i need to make kaffeine able to play dvds?
[03:05] <manchicken> beg1689: What's holding you back?
[03:05] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: no, you should see if the package is in the repositories, before you install a deb
[03:05] <lupine_85> !dvd
[03:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:05] <manchicken> lupine_85: Damn, you beat me.
[03:05] <muesli> lupine_85: thnx
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: apt-get to install one of the several thousand already in the repository.
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> +packages
[03:06] <BluesKaj>  Daisuke_Ido, bonbonthejon, he asked me about deb pkg support
[03:07] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: yeah
[03:07] <beg1689> ok now im just waiting for the .iso to download
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> oooh
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i see now
[03:07] <BluesKaj> not the repos debs
[03:07] <Trigger242> Can someone explain to me what's wrong with my ktorrent? My mates running it and getting AWESOME down speed. I'm running it and getting crap. And my ports are even forwarded.
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm answering an answer then :\
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> whoops
[03:08] <bonbonthejon> Trigger242: torrents depend on your connection speed and the seeders
[03:08] <beg1689> does the CD version include the liveCD?
[03:08] <beg1689> or is that just on dvd
[03:08] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: if you download the standard cd, it is a livecd
[03:09] <beg1689> can you still install from it?
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[03:09] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: yup
[03:09] <beg1689> alright
[03:09] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: I sometimes have trouble with the livecd, I prefer the alternative install cd, it is text based installer
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> quite a nice installer actually, compared to what it did have (debian's installer, more or less)
[03:10] <bonbonthejon> Daisuke_Ido: are you the same way, prefer the alt. install?
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and in those two statements it was just shown that the whole thing is a matter of preference :)
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i actually like the graphical installer, never had any problem with it
[03:10] <beg1689> hmm
[03:10] <bonbonthejon> Daisuke_Ido: well, sometimes there are technical reasons the live cd wont work
[03:10] <beg1689> what bootloader does kubuntu use, ive only used grub
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and for an end-user targeted distro, an easy graphical installer is a plus
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> it uses grub
[03:10] <BluesKaj> grub it is
[03:11] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: grub usually
[03:11] <beg1689> good
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> bonbonthejon: this is true
[03:11] <beg1689> im just hoping i still know what im doing when i switch, having only ever used fedora core 4,5,6
[03:11] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: have you used kde before?
[03:12] <beg1689> yea
[03:12] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: cool, I used fedora up to core 3, when I found ubuntu
[03:12] <BluesKaj> Trigger242, have you done all the configuring , including router detection ?
[03:13] <beg1689> this my sound like a stupid question, but the i386 version still supports dual-core, right?
[03:13] <beg1689> my fedora kernel says i686
[03:13] <BluesKaj> Trigger242, some torrent sources are slow , no matter what one does
[03:17] <BluesKaj> beg1689, i ran the 64bit dapper version , but i switched to the x86 due to hardware recognition probs
[03:18] <BluesKaj> but, maybe your experience will be more positive
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i do believe the i385 edition supports dual processors
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> at least, they both show up here.
[03:19] <wallace__> hello
[03:19] <manchicken> AWESOME!
[03:19] <manchicken> I have full DVD functionality.
[03:19] <Minataku> Most generic kernels are SMP enabled
[03:20] <beg1689> well ill be using wine, too and it doesnt like 64 bit
[03:20] <wallace__> i have a question concerning the render call.  i'm learning to use backgroundrb.
[03:20] <Minataku> Since an SMP kernel will run on a UP system just fine
[03:20] <aib> how can I tell what package provides a particular file/
[03:20] <manchicken> Even Dreamworks movies and Kill Bill work.
[03:20] <beg1689> search
[03:20] <wallace__> oops, wrong channel.
[03:20] <beg1689> http://rpm.pbone.net/
[03:20] <BluesKaj> i'm running x86 on an AMD64 pc
[03:20] <beg1689> you might not want to download them through that, but thats how i find which package i need sometimes
[03:21] <beg1689> oh wait, thats rpms
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> hey ed
[03:21] <aib> from the command line.
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: same here, an x2
[03:21] <beg1689> dont listen to the newbie ;)
[03:21] <aib> yeah, "search" is a pretty obvious answer that doesn't really tell me anything
[03:22] <Minataku> Hi, Daisuke_Ido
[03:24] <juano> someone knows how to fix IP-restrict-NAT for webcam in amsn? i'm having this issue since im behind a router, thanks
[03:24] <BluesKaj> aib i jus type the name in konq addressbar and you'll get "hits"
[03:25] <aib> someone who knows how to use the command line, please!
[03:25] <BluesKaj> whereis "filename" in the CLI
[03:26] <mike__> hi all i am looking for some help with wmv streams in web pages in fire fox
[03:27] <madmike> yup I'm goin nutz
[03:27] <BluesKaj> mike , make sure you have mplayer plugin installed
[03:28] <mike__> well i thought i did
[03:28] <mike__> it list installed but i keep getting errors on mov streams and wmv streams
[03:28] <BluesKaj> mplayer plugin in FF plays the windows media streams
[03:28] <mike__> let me check
[03:28] <mike__> :) thanks for the help
[03:29] <BluesKaj> check FF by typing about:plugins in the addresbar
[03:31] <BluesKaj> agente2012, do you know  agent007 ? :)
[03:31] <mike__> it shows that totem is handeling them
[03:32] <BluesKaj> are you using gnome ?
[03:32] <mike__> the wmv stream
[03:33] <mike__> nope kde
[03:33] <BluesKaj> what (k)ubuntu desktop are you using kde or gnome ?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:33] <BluesKaj> dapper or edgy
[03:34] <mike__> edgy
[03:34] <BluesKaj> FF2 then right ?
[03:34] <agente2012> BluesKaj:  I agente007 in secret xD
[03:35] <agente2012> agent*
[03:35] <mike__> ff1
[03:35] <BluesKaj> my suggestion is , dump totem and install (K)mplayer , mike
[03:35] <mike__> did not see ff2 in the repositories i am using
[03:36] <BluesKaj> firefox 2.0 is the default in edgy
[03:36] <bonbonthejon> what ftp client do people use?
[03:36] <mike__> removed totem and it is working but very choppy
[03:36] <mike__> oh yes ff2 sorry
[03:37] <agente2012> is easy ;)
[03:37] <BluesKaj> there's amplayer plugin for FF2
[03:37] <dope> I'M SO WASTED RIGHT NOW
[03:37] <agente2012> K+system+konsole
[03:37] <agente2012> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:38] <mike__> that is what i am using and is choppy
[03:38] <mike__> :)
[03:39] <dope> oh wait wrong channel
[03:39] <dope> i can't launch some applications with katapult like gvim/vim for example
[03:39] <dope> or checkgmail
[03:40] <mike__> ok totem is gone
[03:40] <mike__> and mplayer is skinda working
[03:40] <mike__> very choppy on wmv
[03:40] <BluesKaj> mike , try this , it worked for me : http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[03:52] <bonbonthejon> in konqueror's remote:/, is it possible to delete a connection
[03:55] <mike__> ok thanks for the help i will work on it more later
[03:56] <BluesKaj> reboot FF and it should be there
[03:58] <beg1689> ok i had problems
[03:58] <pwn4tt4ck> what is the open source version of limewire?
[03:58] <beg1689> using the i386 kubuntu cd
[03:59] <beg1689> it started up and gave me a menu, i chose the install or start kubuntu option
[03:59] <ironfroggy> any idea why amarok suddenly has an empty collection?
[03:59] <ironfroggy> but all my files are still there
[03:59] <beg1689> after a bit, it comes up with an error, something about soft bug on CP#0
[03:59] <beg1689> CPU#0*
[04:00] <pwn4tt4ck> open source version of limewire is called what, anyone know?
[04:00] <manchicken> pwn4tt4ck: Why use LimeWire?  There's ktorrent.
[04:00] <BluesKaj> pwn4tt4ck, frostwire
[04:00] <pwn4tt4ck> thank you, and I guess I could use the torrent
[04:00] <pwn4tt4ck> later
[04:00] <manchicken> pwn4tt4ck: And those programs are "Free Software," not "open source."
[04:00] <BluesKaj> if you 'need' it
[04:01] <BluesKaj> amule is better imo
[04:02] <pwn4tt4ck> !frostwire
[04:02] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:02] <BluesKaj> take that back, manchicken :)
[04:02] <corrupted_> hi
[04:02] <corrupted_> i have a really noobish question about how to install a .bin file _-_
[04:02] <beg1689> ok a quick google tells me its because my wireless was turned off on my laptop, time to try again
[04:03] <corrupted_> anyone help me?
[04:03] <manchicken> BluesKaj: Anything under the GPL is Free Software as defined by their license agreement.
[04:03] <manchicken> And FrostWire requires non-free Java.  I would agree with the amule preference though.
[04:03] <manchicken> But only with tor.
[04:03] <corrupted_> hello?
[04:03] <corrupted> hmmm
[04:04] <corrupted> can anyone here me >.<
[04:04] <manchicken> With what?
[04:04] <manchicken> A .bin file doesn't mean anything.
[04:04] <manchicken> What .bin file is it?
[04:04] <corrupted> digichat
[04:04] <corrupted> :/
[04:04] <manchicken> Is it a text file or a binary file?
[04:04] <corrupted> i have no clue
[04:04] <manchicken> What's digichat?
[04:04] <corrupted> im new to this stuff
[04:05] <corrupted> it is called install_Digichat.bin
[04:05] <manchicken> corrupted: do you get carbage when you type `head -n FOO.bin`?
[04:05] <manchicken> What is the purpose of digichat?
[04:05] <corrupted> its a host file
[04:05] <corrupted> a chat
[04:05] <corrupted> basicly
[04:05] <BluesKaj> !bin
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <manchicken> What do you plan on doing with it?
[04:05] <corrupted> hosting
[04:06] <manchicken> hosting what?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> !binary
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about binary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <Croupier> hey guys
[04:06] <corrupted> oh crap this is not ubuntu irc this is kubuntu >.<
[04:06] <corrupted> wrong irc
[04:06] <forge> isn't digichat a java applett?
[04:06] <corrupted> yea
[04:06] <Croupier> i am trying to run wine to install something but its saying something about the $display not configured correctly
[04:06] <manchicken> corrupted: Why not use IRC to host a chat instead of this non-free program?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> just goto #ubuntu
[04:06] <Croupier> i cannot find anything on the wine page
[04:07] <manchicken> !freedom
[04:07] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[04:07] <corrupted> for one i payed for this (non free program) and two i think its better personally
[04:07] <Croupier> and something about the x xserver running
[04:07] <manchicken> corrupted: Less freedom is never better.
[04:08] <corrupted> manchicken your confusing
[04:08] <junocdx> anyone help me get my webcam working
[04:08] <junocdx> ?
[04:08] <manchicken> corrupted: Demanding freedom isn't confusing... giving up your freedom for the sake of shallow functionality on the other hand... that's confusing.
[04:09] <lupine_85> but having the freedom to choose less freedom is also important :p
[04:09] <manchicken> There's no such thing as choosing less freedom.
[04:10] <lupine_85> course there is
[04:10] <junocdx> What about your freedom slowely being taken away from you?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> Shallow functionalty ...fancy for almost useless , or lessthan useful ?
[04:10] <lupine_85> I can choose a Free nv driver, or I can choose a non-free nvidia driver
[04:10] <lupine_85> spot the choice
[04:10] <lupine_85> (of course, I choose nouveau when it's ready for public use)
[04:10] <manchicken> lupine_85: Nope.  Because the reason why there aren't any good Free 3d drivers for nvidia is because nvidia has removed all choices which also provide freedom.
[04:11] <lupine_85> not the case
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: Sure it is.
[04:11] <lupine_85> why?
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: You didn't choose less freedom.
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: You were forced into it.
[04:11] <lupine_85> free drivers are being developed right now
[04:11] <lupine_85> no, I wasn't
[04:11] <lupine_85> I can use nv if I want to
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: Yup.  You know why they're collecting so much money for that driver project?
[04:11] <lupine_85> mm, to buy 8800s
[04:11] <manchicken> To build a legal warchest.
[04:12] <lupine_85> nah
[04:12] <lupine_85> I think you'll find what they're doing is perfectly legal
[04:12] <manchicken> nVidia will sue with everything they have upon the first release of anything resembling a 3d driver that they didn't get paid royalties for.
[04:12] <lupine_85> it wouldn't get to the courtroom even if /I/ was representing them
[04:12] <lupine_85> clean-room implementation isn't something that can be sued for
[04:13] <manchicken> Unless they have an incredibly ambiguous software patent.
[04:13] <BluesKaj> MS predatory tactics ...works for billl gates :(
[04:13] <lupine_85> what?
[04:13] <Minataku> Bill Gates has no power in Microsoft anymore
[04:13] <BluesKaj> whaynot nvidia
[04:13] <Minataku> Know your enemy
[04:13] <lupine_85> seriously. what law does clean-room software implemention break?
[04:13] <junocdx> Can anyone help me get my webcam working?
[04:13] <Minataku> It's not Bill Gates.
[04:13] <Minataku> It's Steve Ballmer.
[04:13] <manchicken> lupine_85: Patents.
[04:14] <lupine_85> software patents don't exist here :p
[04:14] <BluesKaj> who cares , he still symbolizes the marketing techniques
[04:14] <manchicken> lupine_85: They're not worried about building a legal warchest where patents aren't a problem.
[04:14] <manchicken> They're worried about it where they DO have patent laws.
[04:14] <Kr4t05> Minataku: I never thought that Bill Gates was responsible for many of the things that Microsoft did in later years. Over-zealous subordinates.
[04:14] <lupine_85> and besides which, clean-room implementation probably bypasses that as well
[04:14] <manchicken> Nope.
[04:15] <Minataku> Bill Gates says DRM is stupid and shouldn't be used by corporations/should be bypassed by users
[04:15] <manchicken> If they have a patent where "allowing 3d acceleration on an nvidia graphics card" is the synopsis of the patent, then ANY implementation doing so would be a violation of that patent.
[04:15] <katabatic> anybody knowledgeable who can help me with my connection problem?
[04:15] <Minataku> Gates isn't behind any of Microsoft's evil
[04:15] <manchicken> Minataku: No he didn't.
[04:15] <lupine_85> do they?
[04:15] <Minataku> It's all Steve Ballmer
[04:15] <manchicken> Minataku: You have no idea what you're talking about.
[04:15] <lupine_85> is that even patentable?
[04:16] <Minataku> A similar evil is Steve Jobs
[04:16] <manchicken> lupine_85: In the US, unfortunately, yes.
[04:16] <lupine_85> lol
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic
[04:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:16] <lupine_85> USA got owned by the corporations
[04:16] <Minataku> manchicken: Perhaps YOU need to do some research as well before you tell someone they're completely wrong
[04:16] <junocdx> Can anyone help me get my webcam working?
[04:16] <manchicken> lupine_85: It's just the flawwed notion that you should get to control anybody who shares the same idea as you.
[04:17] <Kr4t05> lupine_85: Which is why this man is moving to Tokyo at the first sign of trouble on the horizon...
[04:17] <lupine_85> and here was me thinking patents were for specific things and inventions, rather than general methods
[04:17] <manchicken> Minataku: I have.  I also saw Gates on CNet telling them that Zune's chief features include those that allow media companies to control their "intellectual property."
[04:17] <Kr4t05> lupine_85: Not to the damn greedy scum known to most of the world as Americans...
[04:17] <manchicken> lupine_85: They're supposed to be.  That's why FSF is fighting them so hard.
[04:18] <lupine_85> well, we're ok then
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Kr4t05: this isn't the place for attacking people based on where they live.
[04:18] <junocdx> You can't stereotype all Americans from what you hear about the corporate jackasses in the country.
[04:18] <manchicken> I'm running a DVD player right now that is illegal in the US, even though the only DVDs I watch are ones I bought retail.  I had to install it from a repo abroad.
[04:18] <Minataku> Thank you, junocdx and Daisuke_Ido
[04:19] <lupine_85> meh. isn't everything that bush doesn't specifically allow illegal these days?
[04:19] <lupine_85> I've not been keeping track
[04:19] <Minataku> I for one am an American who also fights strongly against corporate nazism
[04:19] <manchicken> lupine_85: Naw.  It's not that bad ^_^
[04:19] <manchicken> Minataku: Then quit spreading misinformation on one of the enemies of freedom.
[04:19] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:19] <junocdx> There seems to be nothing us americans can do about our country for another two years. =\
[04:20] <Minataku> Bah, Gates has no power anymore anyway
[04:20] <Kr4t05> Daisuke_Ido: I live in the US, I have the right to attack my own country. :)
[04:20] <Minataku> He's a marketer now, that's it
[04:20] <manchicken> Either way, DVDs working is good.
[04:20] <Kr4t05> Gotta love the first amendment. :)
[04:20] <manchicken> Hmm... I wonder if ripping DVDs would work...
[04:20] <Kr4t05> When I say "attack" I don't mean it that way...
[04:20] <Kr4t05> ...
[04:20] <Minataku> The man doesn't even want to make money anymore, for fqck's sake he gives it away like it was garbage
[04:20] <Minataku> lol
[04:20] <lupine_85> psssssssst! wanna buy a nuke?
[04:20] <lupine_85> oops, I just broke the patriot act
[04:21] <lupine_85> like I care :p
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> Kr4t05: oh, you have the right, but this isn't the place
[04:21] <Kr4t05> Daisuke_Ido: Point taken. :)
[04:21] <junocdx> I have to agree... this is the place to help people like me fix their webcam.  =D
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i attack the current administration on a regular basis :D
[04:22] <manchicken> junocdx: I've never been able to get a webcam to work.
[04:22] <junocdx> :(
[04:22] <Minataku> Well, my apologies if I've upset or offended anyone and also for going off topic
[04:23] <manchicken> Anybody know of a tor client for KDE?
[04:23] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Ktorrent?
[04:23] <manchicken> Naw, tor is different from torrent.
[04:23] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Oh, wait...
[04:24] <Kr4t05> manchicken: I thought you were abbreviating...
[04:24] <manchicken> ah ^_^
[04:24] <Kr4t05> manchicken: TorPark? It's Firefox with Tor installed...
[04:24] <Kr4t05> Or somethign...
[04:24] <Kr4t05> It might have a Linux version.
[04:25] <manchicken> You mean a version that'll work in a GNU OS?
[04:25] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:26] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Yeah...
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> "It's GNU/Linux!" - R. Stallman
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> >_>
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> carry on
[04:26] <lupine_85> I thought he prefered GNU+Linux now?
[04:26] <Kr4t05> I've been using Kubuntu and FOSS for over a year, not and I still refer to it as "Linux."
[04:26] <BluesKaj> hmmm, xmms player in streamtuner is non responsive , won't close ..what's the fill cmd ?
[04:26] <Kr4t05> now*
[04:26] <BluesKaj> kill
[04:26] <lupine_85> I like "GNU/GNU+Linux (but a lot of it isn't)"
[04:27] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: killall -9 xmms?
[04:27] <lupine_85> e.g. we don't call it GNU+Xorg+BSD+Linux because that'd be silly
[04:27] <Kr4t05> lupine_85: We can't help that... The world is dominated by money...
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, yup that worked , thx
[04:28] <lupine_85> ?
[04:28] <Kr4t05> You can hold good intentions in one hand, and a $20 in the other, you see what people go for first.
[04:28] <manchicken> No, it's GNU using a Linux kernel.
[04:28] <manchicken> GNU also works with a Darwin kernel.
[04:28] <lupine_85> manchicken: it's also Xorg using a Linux kernel. and many other things using a linux kernel
[04:28] <manchicken> xorg will work with more than just a linux kernel.
[04:28] <lupine_85> so what % of GNU programs must be installed for it to be a GNU/ system?
[04:29] <Croupier> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
[04:29] <manchicken> lupine_85: ls, ar, tar, cp, mv, rm, top, ps....
[04:29] <Kr4t05> Whatever it is, it works without question and is completely free, which is more than can be said for Windows.
[04:29] <Croupier> thats what i get when i try to intall steam with wine
[04:29] <Croupier> any ideas guys
[04:29] <lupine_85> manchicken: I know what the GNU commands are :)
[04:29] <manchicken> Kr4t05: Cost isn't a problem.  It's freedom.
[04:29] <lupine_85> the question still stands
[04:29] <Croupier> been trying winehq but it doesnt really say much
[04:29] <manchicken> lupine_85: The C library that linux builds with is GNU, too.
[04:29] <lupine_85> how does one /define/ a GNU system?
[04:30] <Minataku> Stallman just wants his outfit to get it's bit of well-deserved credit, I can't say I blame him
[04:30] <lupine_85> so if it uses glibc it's a gnu system?
[04:30] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Call me narrow-minded, but I don't see it as a major problem, right now.
[04:30] <manchicken> lupine_85: A GNU operating system is a GNU operating system.
[04:30] <lupine_85> ...you're sidestepping :p
[04:30] <lupine_85> you don't have a definition
[04:30] <manchicken> Kr4t05: I suppose nobody can FORCE you to value your freedom ^_^
[04:31] <Kr4t05> Too many people seem to have a vendeta against big business. Freedom is there, you have the freedom, but, much as what has been proven time and again, when humans are given freedom, they merely ask for more.
[04:31] <manchicken> lupine_85: If most of the system can keep running and running well with everything but GNU and and the compatible kernel of your choice on it, then it's a GNU operating system.
[04:31] <lupine_85> ok
[04:32] <lupine_85> remove X
[04:32] <lupine_85> is it running - and running well - by your definition?
[04:32] <manchicken> Kr4t05: I have no problem with corporations.  I only have a problem with the notion that it's okay to restrict freedom for the sake of profit.
[04:32] <manchicken> lupine_85: Yes.
[04:32] <Minataku> Too many big businesses have a vendetta against their customers
[04:32] <manchicken> lupine_85: I use GNU without X on a rather regular basis.
[04:32] <Kr4t05> Minataku: That's reality.
[04:32] <lupine_85> cool. but by my definition, it isn't, because I do a fair bit of graphics manipulation
[04:33] <Minataku> Whom most of them are assumed to be liars and theives out to do nothing more than steal everything they "deserve" to be paid for
[04:33] <lupine_85> so it's not a very good definition, because it's subjective
[04:33] <manchicken> lupine_85: Graphics manipulation is the function of a graphics program, not an operating system.
[04:33] <lupine_85> the function of an operating system is to enable programs
[04:33] <manchicken> Yup.
[04:33] <manchicken> And X is a program.
[04:33] <lupine_85> so is ar
[04:33] <Kr4t05> Too many people are living in the fantasy that businesses exist to please customers. Maybe in the 1920's, but now? Those businesses exist simply for the purpose of lining the pockets of their benefactors.
[04:33] <manchicken> It's a server program, that client programs connect to.
[04:34] <lupine_85> everything userspace is a program
[04:34] <Kr4t05> It's human nature. There's only one thing that can change that.
[04:34] <manchicken> lupine_85: ar is an archive program that builds static libraries, and is necessary for building programs from source into usable libraries and binary executables.
[04:34] <lupine_85> you still don't have an objective definition
[04:34] <lupine_85> I know what it is
[04:34] <manchicken> lupine_85: Evidently not.
[04:34] <lupine_85> dpkg also uses it
[04:34] <Minataku> Kr4t05: Exactly, so can you blame the customers (or as the corporations see them, dirty theives) for having a vendetta against the corporations?
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: X is not necessary for the operation of the computer.
[04:35] <lupine_85> neither is ar
[04:35] <lupine_85> not strictly :p
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: Build tools are necessary for an operating system.
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: No build tools, no operating system.
[04:35] <Minataku> I sent a letter to one of my representatives via the EFF
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: X is optional.  A build system is not.
[04:36] <Minataku> I got back a letter basically telling me that I was against these things because I was nothing more than a lousy theif who wanted to steal everything
[04:36] <Kr4t05> Minataku: No. I spread the blame evenly. The customers are guilty of expecting more than reasonable in the eyes of companies that they no full well couldn't care less, and at the same time, I blame those very companies for not caring more about the customers themselves.
[04:36] <Minataku> Thelma Drake told me, in so many words, to "fuck off"
[04:36] <manchicken> Minataku: Scan it and post it.  I'll send that off to FSF and they'll lamb-baste the sender.
[04:36] <manchicken> Minataku: If you can do that, it would be quite valuable.
[04:36] <Minataku> manchicken: I may have destroyed it in rage
[04:37] <Minataku> If I can find it I will
[04:37] <Minataku> Otherwise I'll just send the bitch another one, she got reelected somehow anyway
[04:37] <manchicken> Minataku: If it ever existed, that'd be a great letter to get posted.
[04:37] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:38] <Minataku> manchicken: Note it didn't say any of that, but the gist of the letter just from the tiny bit of it I read was what I got
[04:38] <manchicken> Gotta figure out how to get tor working...
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10825
[04:39] <manchicken> Ooh...
[04:40] <Minataku> Maybe Jim Webb won't be corrupted by entertainment dollar$ and will actually fight for his constituents
[04:40] <Kr4t05> The thing I don't like about the free software movement, is the concept of a 'pure system', that is, an entire OS built without a single line of propreitary code. It doesn't exist, or at least not in the sense of being of any use to the 'typical user'. The companies aren't open about there products, simply because Microsoft, Sony, HP and Apple all say "Don't!"
[04:40] <Minataku> Instead of elegantly insulting them in very disguised words
[04:41] <tony__> hello., I need to install mysql 5, do i need to install the server version or Clien version ????
[04:41] <Minataku> Like Thelma Drake
[04:41] <Kr4t05> And, politicians are arrogant. Plain and simple. Unless you have something of value to offer them, they couldn't give a baboon's backside.
[04:41] <manchicken> tony__: That depends.  Do you need to run the database server, or do you need a client that you can use to connect to an existing server?
[04:41] <Minataku> But, sorry again for going off topic and for anything else anyone may not have liked
[04:41] <manchicken> tony__: If you want to run your own database server, you need both.
[04:42] <manchicken> Yeah, it might be time to respect the topic now...  heh
[04:42] <tony__> I need to install few php mysql scripts .that need mysql database
[04:42] <tony__> so i assume it would be the server one for this reason
[04:42] <manchicken> tony__: So you need to create a mysql database server then, right?
[04:42] <tony__> yes.
[04:42] <manchicken> tony__: Then you'll need both clients and server.
[04:43] <tony__> why i need the client
[04:43] <tony__> ?
[04:43] <manchicken> tony__: Client lets you interact with the server.
[04:43] <manchicken> tony__: So you can manage your data.
[04:43] <tony__> i only need the server to run the script
[04:43] <manchicken> Though I suppose you could use the command-line.
[04:43] <spitwise> phpmyadmin is great
[04:43] <tony__> is the client is GUI ?
[04:43] <spitwise> tony__: ^
[04:43] <manchicken> tony__: Some are.
[04:44] <manchicken> Web app clients are security risks.
[04:44] <tony__> Thanks
[04:44] <spitwise> !phpmyadmin
[04:44] <ubotu> phpmyadmin: set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:2.8.2-0.2 (edgy), package size 3522 kB, installed size 13752 kB
[04:44] <spitwise> you can use your browser
[04:44] <tony__> yes, i worked with phpmyadmin before
[04:44] <tony__> :)
[04:44] <manchicken> tony__: Don't forget to install the php-mysql feller.
[04:44] <tony__> thanks.
[04:44] <Linux_Galore> more on using tor with ubuntu + settings up the firefox plugins -> http://techflock.blogspot.com/2006/11/surf-web-anonymously.html
[04:44] <tony__> is php5 in repo already ?
[04:45] <spitwise> think so
[04:45] <tony__> thanks
[04:45] <tony__> :)
[04:45] <manchicken> Who uses firefox?
[04:45] <manchicken> konq++
[04:45] <spitwise> i do
[04:45] <tony__> i do
[04:46] <tony__> on both window and linux
[04:46] <junocdx> Opera > Firefox
[04:47] <tony__> had no major issur with FF on window . :) .. nor linux
[04:47] <tony__> specially the sites that i visit ..
[04:48] <manchicken> junocdx: Opera is a terrible browser.
[04:48] <e1> hello, i tried to use thunderbird awhile ago, and now some emails i had before in my regular email account is only viewable in thunderbird, how do i fix this so i can see my mail in my regular account
[04:48] <hawk_> hello everyone, well i was thinking is there any other kind of desktops that you can install like for instance like fluxbox and others
[04:48] <junocdx> manchicken: and why is that?  I've been using it for 6 years and absolutely love it.
[04:49] <manchicken> 3 reasons
[04:49] <tony__> can thunderbird be configured to check Hotmail accounts ????
[04:49] <manchicken> 1) It's spyware, 2) it's non-free, 3) it's not standards compliant.
[04:50] <junocdx> manchicken:  have you ever used it?
[04:51] <tony__> i think almost all programs out there are kinda spyware :) ..
[04:51] <manchicken> junocdx: Yup.  I stopped once I discovered that it was transmitting back to its "owner" every site I visited.
[04:51] <hawk_> so can i install fluxbox on this os.. and if so how do i do that
[04:51] <katabatic> SOMEBODY HELP PLEASE! my problem is that, at boot, it won't automatically get an IP address from the router via DHCP. I have to disable/enable the card in network settings, or type some command to enable it, then it connects. I perhaps did something that caused this, but I can't figure it out!! it worked perfectly before.
[04:51] <manchicken> tony__: Only on non-free operating systems is spyware that common.
[04:51] <junocdx> manchicken: if you didnt look at child porn that wouldnt be a problem ;)
[04:52] <manchicken> katabatic: What type of card?
[04:52] <tony__> thats true manchicken
[04:52] <e1>  hello, i tried to use thunderbird awhile ago, and now some emails i had before in my regular email account is only viewable in thunderbird, how do i fix this so i can see my mail in my regular account
[04:52] <manchicken> junocdx: Excuse me?
[04:52] <lupine_85> CP? dcc2mekplzthx
[04:52] <junocdx> manchicken: was a joke.
[04:52] <tony__> on window .. almost all programs that i have , connect to internet to transfer some info . no matter what program i use
[04:52] <manchicken> junocdx: Do you have a problem son?  Please be respectful.
[04:52] <lascar> good evening all
[04:53] <lupine_85> omg that's not CP
[04:53] <katabatic> manchicken, wired
[04:53] <manchicken> junocdx: Spyware is never okay.  That joke was highly inappropriate.
[04:53] <tony__> e1 i think what happens is that thunderbird downloads the email and removes them from server
[04:53] <manchicken> katabatic: What card specifically?
[04:53] <lascar> does anyone know of a good note-taking app?  And please don't say knotes...
[04:53] <tony__> e1  I belive you have the option to leave a copy on server
[04:54] <e1> tony__ o crap
[04:54] <katabatic> it shouldn't matter. worked fine before, but I installed/uninstalled packages and maybe changed some settings, then it stopped working
[04:54] <e1> tony__ what if my thunderbird was than uninstalled
[04:54] <tony__> almost all email clients do that e1
[04:54] <katabatic> and I don't know what
[04:54] <lupine_85> e1: do you have an IMAP mailbox anywhere?
[04:54] <lupine_85> you can copy your emails to that and they'll stay there
[04:54] <junocdx> manchicken: sorry? =\
[04:54] <lupine_85> (it's what I do :) )
[04:55] <e1> lupine_85 what's an IMAP mailbox, i prolly don't have
[04:55] <manchicken> junocdx: It's cool. ^_^
[04:55] <tony__> e1 I am not sure , but all email program put the email in a database , sometimes databases are not removed when you uninstall
[04:55] <hawk_> nvm
[04:55] <lupine_85> maildir is hardly a database ;)
[04:55] <e1> tony__ what if i then totally uninstalled kubuntu and reinstalled kubuntu =)
[04:55] <tony__> but again , i am not sure if thunderbird dose that
[04:55] <lupine_85> (mbox could be a type of flat file, I guess, but not maildir)
[04:55] <tony__> e1 good luck with getting your data in that case
[04:56] <LameBMX> kay .. i tried to update to a newer version of gaim .. which required gtk upgrade ... and yea .. like everything is broken now ... no icons n stuff any clues anyone .. also gettin gtk failed to open display errors for beryl
[04:56] <lupine_85> e1: your provider will be able to tell you if you're using IMAP or POP3
[04:56] <e1> tony__ darn it, so i can't get it back anymore
[04:56] <manchicken> LameBMX: Why not use kopete?
[04:56] <e1> lupine_85 o i guess it's pop3
[04:56] <e1> lupine_85 cuz i remember last time it checked automatically and it was pop3
[04:56] <lascar> gaim has a better feel
[04:56] <e1> sigh..that sucks so bad =(
[04:56] <LameBMX> never played with kopete manchicken
[04:56] <manchicken> I disagree, but I suppose that's subjective.
[04:57] <manchicken> LameBMX: You should check it out.  It's quite nice.
[04:57] <lascar> plus it's scalable
[04:57] <LameBMX> i was tryint o get the amarok status message thing working
[04:57] <katabatic> manchicken, any idea
[04:57] <tony__> e1 even if you leave a copy on your server, you ISP will remove them when your inbox gets full .. so best thing is to backup important emails
[04:57] <LameBMX> hence the gaim upgrade
[04:57] <manchicken> lascar: How scalable does an IM client have to be?
[04:57] <lupine_85> nah, the best thing to do is to run your own mail server
[04:57] <lascar> manchicken: if i wanna add nifty functions and change its appearance, then I should be able to.
[04:57] <e1> tony__ but i was well within the 200 mb, tsk so sad
[04:57] <manchicken> katabatic: It may be a hardware issue.  It could be a driver issue.  It could be a networking issue.  Driver or hardware may be the most likely if it's a fresh install.
[04:58] <e1> tony__ how do i make sure i leave copy on server right now this time
[04:58] <manchicken> lascar: You can do that with kopete.
[04:58] <junocdx> anyone recommend a good budget chipset for a non-poweruser?
[04:58] <manchicken> lascar: kopete has a fully functional plugin library.
[04:58] <tony__> e1 hold on let me check my thunderbird
[04:58] <LameBMX> manchicken, how the hey do i hide contacts that arent online
[04:58] <manchicken> lascar: I think you can also use Ruby Qt/KDE to use it.
[04:58] <lascar> manchicken: how "fully functional" are we talking?
[04:58] <e1> tony__ k thx
[04:58] <lascar> i haven't touched it since breezy, methinks
[04:58] <manchicken> LameBMX: Click the icon with a bunch of people on it in the toolbar.
[04:58] <katabatic> manchicken, read what I said
[04:59] <katabatic> it shouldn't matter. worked fine before, but I installed/uninstalled packages and maybe changed some settings, then it stopped working
[04:59] <manchicken> lascar: The UI uses the library.
[04:59] <LameBMX> manchicken, how do i hide offline users
[04:59] <lupine_85> now here's a question. I have a logical volume that I'm using for qemu, and it is being treated as a full physical hard drive by the guest OS, i.e. it has an MBR and a partition table
[04:59] <manchicken> LameBMX: I just said.
[04:59] <lascar> !ntfs
[04:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:59] <LameBMX> ahh found it .. no it was under settings
[04:59] <tony__> go to Edit >>Account Settings.
[04:59] <lascar> !ntfs-3g
[04:59] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:59] <lupine_85> is there any way I can specify to mount said partition, even though I don't have a device file for it?
[04:59] <e1> tony__ k
[04:59] <manchicken> katabatic: I'm saying it DOES matter.
[05:00] <tony__> e1 click on server settings
[05:00] <manchicken> LameBMX: kopete is really easy to use.
[05:00] <e1> tony__ k
[05:00] <manchicken> lascar: The UI actually uses the library directly for everything IIRC.
[05:01] <manchicken> lascar: The plugin UI is the same library.
[05:01] <LameBMX> manchicken, i dont really care about its full ease ... and its already on my nerves wanting that dang wallet to run
[05:01] <tony__> e1 check the checkbox : Leave messages on server . and set the time period for it
[05:01] <manchicken> LameBMX: All KDE stuff uses wallet.  Wallet is a great thing.
[05:01] <lascar> ok
[05:01] <e1> tony__ cool
[05:01] <manchicken> LameBMX: Keeps your private information private.
[05:01] <LameBMX> manchicken, no memory is a good thing
[05:01] <manchicken> LameBMX: Wallet isn't a problem with memory.
[05:01] <LameBMX> manchicken, how is it private when it is stored?
[05:01] <tony__> e1 hope that helps
[05:02] <manchicken> LameBMX: It's encrypted.
[05:02] <e1> tony__ what if i want it kept on server forever, well not forever, but just leave it on server and don't do anything to it
[05:02] <LameBMX> and encryption gets broke
[05:02] <hawk_> all of the packeges that i try to install dont work
[05:02] <katabatic> manchicken, why would it?
[05:02] <e1> tony__ do i just check until i delete or remove them from inbox?
[05:02] <tony__> e1  yes
[05:02] <manchicken> katabatic: Because there may be a problem with the driver for that particular device.
[05:02] <e1> tony__ k thx alot =)
[05:03] <tony__> e1 no problmes :)
[05:03] <manchicken> LameBMX: "KWallet saves this sensitive data for you in a strongly encrypted file, accessible by all applications, and protected with a master password that you define."
[05:03] <manchicken> LameBMX: That's from the KWallet documentation.
[05:04] <spookcomix> I've got a question about the way Kubuntu "auto mounts" CDs, and labels them with the CD name.  I like the auto-mounting, but not the labeling.  I'd rather that all CDs mount to /media/cdrom0.  Possible?
[05:04] <LameBMX> manchicken, i can read a manpage too .. i would rather use my physical memory to remember passwords
[05:05] <hawk_> how do i add other desktop to the grafical login?
[05:05] <manchicken> LameBMX: That wasn't in the manpage.  That was in the KDE documentation for kwallet.
[05:05] <LameBMX> physical memory as in my brain ... its a bit harder to crack
[05:05] <manchicken> LameBMX: IIRC, kopete allows you to not use kwallet.
[05:07] <LameBMX> well im giving it a try ... but its already gotten on my badside
[05:08] <manchicken> spookcomix: I believe you can fix that in the /etc/fstab.
[05:08] <manchicken> hawk_: I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
[05:09] <LameBMX> but that still dont save the real issue lol
[05:09] <LameBMX> anyone know any way to rebuild the k menu thingy ... i got lots o broken apps on it lol
[05:09] <spookcomix> Well, I looked there.  There was (at one point in my experimenting), a line for a /dev/sd0 (I believe) that should mount to /media/cdrom, but when I would try to do that myself, I'd get a message about that device not even existing.
[05:10] <manchicken> LameBMX: kwallet is just a normal part of KDE.
[05:10] <freshburn> YIPEE! this first time i got my desktop and/or laptop to connect to anything internet
[05:10] <manchicken> freshburn: Congratz.
[05:10] <junocdx> do I run a .bin in konsole?
[05:11] <lupine_85> chmod +x file.bin; ./file.bin
[05:11] <manchicken> spookcomix: I'm not sure what device would be /dev/sd0...
[05:11] <junocdx> thnx
[05:11] <freshburn> but konq. and mozilla wont load any sites and the adept update manager fails on d/l attemps for updates
[05:11] <LameBMX> manchicken, and if i want to choose not to use it ...
[05:11] <spookcomix> Oh, and also, one CD that I entered (trying to get Broodwars to work) no longer gets mounted, no matter what.  One time when it was mounted, I tried editing the icon that showed up on the desktop and tried to modify it to mount to /media/cdrom0.  After that, it won't show up, no matter what.  Other CDs auto-mount and show up fine.
[05:11] <manchicken> freshburn: Paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:11] <manchicken> !paste
[05:11] <freshburn> konversation had to retry connect 3 times before it worked
[05:11] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[05:12] <manchicken> spookcomix: It may not be a recognized filesystem.
[05:12] <LameBMX> Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon: Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:12] <hawk_> anyone know how to add a desktop to the kde login screen
[05:12] <manchicken> LameBMX: So install those libraries.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> hawk_,  theres a series of .desktop files that define those
[05:12] <manchicken> hawk_: You mean how to add more different choices?
[05:12] <hawk_> yes
[05:12] <Dr_willis>   /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[05:12] <hawk_> like fluxbox
[05:12] <LameBMX> hawk_, what are you trying to add ... /usr/share/xsessions is where they are located .. and you can use one of the existing .desktop for a template
[05:13] <freshburn> no pastebin so far only konversation will work
[05:13] <Dr_willis> make one for whatever desktop ya want
[05:13] <manchicken> hawk_: `sudo apt-get install fluxbox`
[05:13] <freshburn> but i have a wierd setup
[05:13] <hawk_> it says that it is a break in the packege
[05:13] <Dr_willis> fluxbox installed one on this system. or just copy kde.desktop to whatever.. and edit the file
[05:13] <xcon> hi lame
[05:13] <freshburn> my xp machine dialsup then internet connection shared to linksys router then to my kubuntu machines
[05:13] <manchicken> freshburn: paste your apt sources.list so that I can see them.  I can't help you troubleshoot your problem if I can't see what your sources are.
[05:14] <manchicken> xcon: lame is nice.  xine is nice, too.  I got DVDs playing on my machine today.
[05:14] <lascar> xine = very nice
[05:14] <manchicken> Yesh.
[05:14] <manchicken> libdvdcss2 is nice, too ^_^
[05:14] <xcon> yea, xine and lame are great... but i was looking for LameBMX here
[05:14] <hawk_> thanx
[05:15] <xcon> i like kaffeine for ins xine goodness
[05:15] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:15] <manchicken> heh
[05:15] <xcon> anyway whats up man? tried to call
[05:15] <lascar> blech!  I had all sorts of library issues with kaffeine eons ago
[05:15] <manchicken> hawk_: Works?
[05:15] <hawk_> stiil working
[05:16] <LameBMX> whaddup xcon
[05:16] <manchicken> freshburn: WE CANNOT help you with an adept or apt issue if you do not post your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[05:16] <xcon> i used ssh tunnel and VNC to see what chan u were in ^_^
[05:16] <LameBMX> lol
[05:16] <LameBMX> eh im in a few
[05:16] <LameBMX> see how like every icon is broken
[05:17] <xcon> ah, no... didn't want to be called a voyeur
[05:17] <xcon> ok im lookin
[05:18] <freshburn> i cant post to pastebin and i cant private message you without registering w/ freenode because i have no html i can post it to the chan but then ppl will be very angry with me lol
[05:18] <LameBMX> xcon stop movin my curser
[05:18] <LameBMX> lol
[05:18] <xcon> ok... but thats kde, so why icons a problem?
[05:19] <stdin> freshburn: what can't you post it to pastebin?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  why not register with freenode? - /msg nickserv help
[05:19] <LameBMX> i dk ... i compiled newest stable gaim .. had to compile gtk and its deps to do it ... and after that the amarok plugin for game worked but beryl and about everything else died (gtk based ..)
[05:20] <manchicken> freshburn: Why can't you post it to pastebin?
[05:20] <freshburn> dr willis my html (firefox and konquerer) wont load any sites
[05:20] <Dr_willis> sounds like you got some other issues to fix.
[05:20] <manchicken> freshburn: Try using konqueror.
[05:20] <freshburn> and i thought to register with freenode it was a web site but if its just nickserv i can do it
[05:21] <phobiac> I can't install .deb files on my home server. It's running ubuntu, and I've tried ark and file-roller (both defaulted to opening it). Ark tells me I'm missing something called ar, but I can't find a package with that name.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> try http://64.233.167.99
[05:21] <LameBMX> xcon, see the beryl error now .. used to have gtk errors ... they are off the clipboard thanx to a reboot to try and get aiglx workin
[05:21] <manchicken> freshburn: That's to cripple bots.
[05:21] <freshburn> its wierd that this works and i can access my shares from the xp computer running the internet connection
[05:21] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  thats because you normally use 'sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb' - its BEST to use the package managers, or sudo apt-get install packagename
[05:22] <hawk_> Hmmm.... i cant get fluxbox to install at all
[05:22] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  accessing windows shares have nothing to do with resolving web site addresses. :)
[05:22] <LameBMX> phobiac, apt-cache search partofname
[05:22] <manchicken> hawk_: What's the problem?
[05:22] <LameBMX> phobiac,  helps find package names to install with apt-get install
[05:22] <phobiac> Dr_willis: This package isn't in a repository, and I haven't tried a command line install yet. I'll try that.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  however i am wiondering how irc worked for you
[05:22] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  whats the program?
[05:22] <phobiac> Webmin
[05:22] <freshburn> dr willis but it proves  concept of connection with that pc over my network, ive spent the last 2 days just getting xp and kubuntu to use my linksys router in harmony
[05:23] <manchicken> freshburn: Do you have a firewall that is blocking port 80?
[05:23] <xcon> no, im not lookin at your screen ATM
[05:23] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  webmin is loved/hated. :) its proberly best to isntall that with the webmin source.
[05:23] <manchicken> freshburn: That doesn't sound like that much of a feat.
[05:23] <stdin> phobiac: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[05:23] <freshburn> nope i disabled both of them just to get this straightened out
[05:23] <phobiac> Hmm, it appears I'm missing some dependencies. That's probably the issue.
[05:24] <hawk_> i am geting this problem :::: Your libstdc++ doesn't have the sstream or strstream classes
[05:24] <phobiac> stdin: I run kubuntu, but this server I'm using ubuntu on. I'm too limited in my knowledge to handle full command line, I need the gui for this server.
[05:24] <manchicken> hawk_: try `apt-get build-dep fluxbox`
[05:25] <manchicken> Then try installing it again.
[05:25] <juano> anyone configured Kontact with gmail right?
[05:25] <juano> cant seem to send messages
[05:26] <stdin> phobiac: I know there is a way to install a deb packare in GUI on ubuntu, but I don't remember it right now, but you can install it with a simple command: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[05:26] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  sudo dpkg -i  whatever.deb is too hard eh >:)
[05:26] <doodles> when i use suspend or hibernate i always have to enter my password after restoring the system... is there a way to change that?
[05:27] <juano> plus mail isnt fetching
[05:27] <manchicken> juano: Does gmail provide you with an smtp server?
[05:27] <juano> manchicken: smpt.gmail.com
[05:27] <phobiac> No, sudo dpkg -i is working. I'm just having some issues with the package that are about to be worked out. I was just wondering why gui install wasn't working, I've done it before. Of course this is a fresh install so maybe I didn't do something right.
[05:27] <juano> manchicken: port 465
[05:27] <phobiac> Oh well
[05:27] <manchicken> doodles: Yes.  Look in the power management screens.
[05:27] <juano> manchicken: pop.gmail.com port 995
[05:27] <xcon> Lame,thats not what you meant right?
[05:28] <juano> manchicken: thats for fetchin
[05:28] <manchicken> juano: SMTP is for sending.
[05:28] <xcon> cuz you're in kde... never saw beryl
[05:28] <LameBMX> ewwww i hate icons on the desktop .. watch ..
[05:28] <hawk_> ok when i did "apt-get build-dep fluxbox" it gave me a long list of err's
[05:28] <juano> manchicken: yes, i know.. i did everything i was supposed to
[05:28] <LameBMX> all the x's ... where the xchat icon on the taskbar ... lol ... hover the space between icons
[05:28] <xcon> ok watchin
[05:28] <stdin> hawk_: post them on pastebin
[05:29] <hawk_> how do i do that
[05:29] <LameBMX> plus the beryl error makes no sense
[05:29] <doodles> where can I find power management?
[05:29] <stdin> !pastebin | hawk_
[05:29] <ubotu> hawk_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:29] <manchicken> juano: Try telnetting to their SMTP server and see if it will accept the connection.
[05:29] <freshburn> any websites i.e. www.google.com return a can not connect error
[05:30] <manchicken> freshburn: Can you ping google.com?
[05:30] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  the dpkg -i method will not install other packages that  are needed/dependencies
[05:30] <freshburn> not even a 404 or nothing, just one text line saying, cannot connect to http://blah.blah.blah
[05:30] <juano> manchicken: k , sec
[05:30] <xcon> lol im watch9in you try to type
[05:30] <hawk_> here u go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1260/
[05:30] <Dr_willis> freshburn, as a test does  http://64.233.167.99
[05:30] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  work or not?
[05:30] <manchicken> hawk_: Try running it with sudo.
[05:31] <intelikey> !dns
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <hawk_> that is what i got when i ran it in sudo
[05:31] <stdin> hawk_: have you got adept open?
[05:31] <manchicken> hawk_: `sudo apt-get...`
[05:31] <xcon> oh, crap... try --replace?
[05:31] <hawk_> yes
[05:31] <phobiac> Dr_willis: I just downloaded the dependent packages by hand.
[05:31] <hawk_> lol
[05:31] <manchicken> hawk_: Close adept.
[05:31] <hawk_> lol
[05:31] <hawk_> its working now
[05:31] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  ya could dpkg -i *.deb
[05:31] <manchicken> hawk_: Adept has the dpkg database locked.
[05:32] <hawk_> oh thats why
[05:32] <freshburn> that my friend worked so then i have my dns not correct
[05:32] <freshburn> right?
[05:32] <juano> manchicken: yeah i can telnet,
[05:32] <juano> (to) smtp.gmail.com 465
[05:32] <juano> Trying 209.85.133.109...
[05:32] <juano> Connected to gmail-smtp.l.google.com.
[05:32] <hawk_> noooo, more err's
[05:32] <juano> sorry for paste guys
[05:32] <LameBMX> xcon, typin is fine .. no auto repeat for backspace though lol ...
[05:32] <manchicken> juano: Then you've probably got an authentication problem.
[05:32] <stdin> hawk_: you aren't the only one to have forgotten to close adept :P
[05:32] <xcon> lame, ok i see... it's emerald i thought but i forget exactly how... brb
[05:32] <manchicken> juano: Double-check gmail's documentation on how to authenticate.
[05:32] <juano> manchicken: ok
[05:32] <hawk_> ok i got it to run but it is now giving me more problems
[05:32] <hawk_> lol
[05:33] <manchicken> Paste 'em ^_^
[05:33] <hawk_> thank you for you help
[05:33] <phobiac> Dr_willis: The problem is that the .deb depends on a few perl packages. It's not to hard to go through by hand and install them all.
[05:33] <stdin> no problem hawk_ :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  yep. webmin has a lot of parts. :)
[05:33] <phobiac> I'm considering just compiling this from the source.
[05:34] <freshburn> ok i think i got it thanks guys
[05:34] <hawk_> well here is some of the new err's http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1261/
[05:34] <stdin> phobiac: the command 'sudo apt-get -f install' (no package) usually goes and gets dependencies for you
[05:34] <xcon> Lame, sorry botu that... re-ran kwin for ya
[05:35] <phobiac> stdin: Will that work for a local package?
[05:35] <LameBMX> xcon its all good .. life happens ... but yea .. im a bit lost at the moment lol
[05:35] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  the 'source' for webmin is perl code i belive.. it just isntalls to the right place.
[05:35] <xcon> damn. it was supposed to work, even w/o manager
[05:35] <manchicken> hawk_: Try `sudo apt-get update`
[05:35] <stdin> phobiac: yeah, it's really only useful for local packages
[05:36] <hawk_> trying it
[05:36] <LameBMX> xcon, since when does things ever work that easy on this computer
[05:36] <juano> manchicken: nope, cant seem to send
[05:36] <xcon> or else i should have gone on to run emerald too
[05:36] <LameBMX> xcon, you really askin for too much with that
[05:36] <juano> manchicken: it stays in outbox
[05:36] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Yeah, I realized there's no source when I checked the site again. And thanks stdin I'll try that.
[05:36] <manchicken> juano: Do the tests work?
[05:36] <LameBMX> bery dont need need emerald .. just wont be able to grab windows n junk
[05:36] <juano> manchicken: tests?
[05:36] <xcon> lame... lemme try that again, this time with the power on
[05:36] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  last i installed it from the 'source' it wasent that hard.
[05:37] <hawk_> now by doing it this way it will add it the kde login right?
[05:37] <manchicken> juano: Try to test for what encryption protocols are supported.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  i do seem to recall installing some extra packages beforhand to get it to work with the https: stuff
[05:37] <lascar> does anyone know of a good note-taking application?
[05:37] <xcon> wait whos typin here
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lascar,  several blogg-notepad-posteit type programs out. 'zim' is one. (gtk based i think)
[05:38] <lascar> tried it and hated it
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lascar,  tomboy (i think also)
[05:38] <lascar> and good evening Dr_willis
[05:38] <manchicken> hawk_: What now?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lascar,  too bad! thats my 'final answer' :) heh heh
[05:38] <Dr_willis> i perfered how zim worked to the other i tried.
[05:38] <lascar> tomboy...
[05:39] <Dr_willis> depends on the features ya need i guess. :)
[05:39] <lascar> just note-taking for classes
[05:39] <seven11> where would i find the autoupdate file for download the new updates
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:39] <lascar> Dr_willis: full of jokes today, aren't you?
[05:39] <lascar> :-p
[05:40] <hawk_> well using apt-get fluxbox add it to the kde login screen under diffrenet desktops
[05:40] <Dr_willis> look at the battery life. :)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> lascar,  so you want more of a 'outliner' not a 'poste-it-note' thang.
[05:40] <manchicken> hawk_: I believe it will.
[05:40] <lascar> Dr_willis: outliner, me and post-its don't get along either
[05:40] <Dr_willis> outlines... *shudder*  Class *shudder x2*
[05:40] <hawk_> thank you so much for all your help people
[05:41] <lascar> indeed, 'tis a necessary evil for now
[05:41] <Dr_willis> lascar,  cant recall using anything that let ya auto-generate outlines.. in... ages....
[05:41] <manchicken> hawk_: Not a problem man. ^_^
[05:41] <manchicken> hawk_: This is Free software.  We help our neighbor ^_^
[05:41] <phobiac> Aha, got webmin working. Thank you stdin and Dr_willis.
[05:41] <angel> hola
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !find outline
[05:42] <ubotu> Found: libroxen-outline, vim-vimoutliner
[05:42] <manchicken> Dr_willis: what about emacs?
[05:42] <manchicken> Making outlines?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> !info vim-vimoutliner
[05:42] <ubotu> vim-vimoutliner: script for building an outline editor on top of Vim. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.4-3 (edgy), package size 87 kB, installed size 436 kB
[05:42] <stdin> phobiac: you're welcome :)
[05:42] <intelikey> "a necessary evil"   isn't that another word for  "who cares about good and evil"    ?
[05:42] <manchicken> M-x outline-mode in emacs.
[05:42] <hawk_> well i hope to get as good as you guys so i can help other people
[05:42] <Dr_willis> manchicken,  :) i knew emacs could do it.. heh
[05:42] <manchicken> Dr_willis: Emacs is delicious.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i tend to just do quick and dirty edits.. :) so i use vim mainly
[05:43] <angel> hola alguien habla espaol???
[05:43] <manchicken> !es @ angel
[05:43] <stdin> !es | angel
[05:43] <Dr_willis> actually i sort of like fte also.
[05:43] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[05:43] <ubotu> angel: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:43] <angel> ok, gracias
[05:43] <manchicken> Ooh, pipe.
[05:43] <stdin> heh
[05:43] <manchicken> de nada
[05:43] <lascar> !libroxen-outline
[05:43] <ubotu> libroxen-outline: Outline mode module for the Roxen Challenger web server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-12 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 52 kB
[05:44] <jonah8204> so i accidently erased all the files in my etc directory, used a copy of an etc directory from another computer running kubuntu, everything works fine except aptitude/apt/adept all seem to beleive i have no packages installed. anyway to fix this?
[05:45] <lascar> so...there's no KDE note-taking app?
[05:45] <manchicken> lascar: There are several.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> lascar,  try the various text editors
[05:45] <manchicken> lascar: knotes
[05:45] <stdin> jonah8204: I think apt/dpkg keep lists of packages in /var/lib not /etc
[05:45] <intelikey> !info knotes
[05:45] <ubotu> knotes: KDE sticky notes. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 241 kB, installed size 836 kB
[05:45] <Dr_willis> note-taking is not the same as 'outline generation'
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <manchicken> lascar: kfocus is nice for task management.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> emacs and vim also have outline modes/features
[05:46] <manchicken> Emacs is a delicious text editor ^_^
[05:47] <juano> manchicken: nope, cant send.. weird
[05:47] <intelikey> vim is a powerful text editor
[05:47] <manchicken> juano: I think you've got an authentication error.
[05:47] <stdin> juano: google smtp is "smtp.gmail.com" port "587" you need to use your "username@gmail.com" as username for it and you need to set it to use TLS to connect (that's what works for me)
[05:47] <hybrid> vim > vile > emacs
[05:47] <juano> stdin: ok ill try again
[05:48] <manchicken> The editor of the beast: vi vi vi
[05:48] <manchicken> ^_^
[05:48] <hybrid> hehe
[05:48] <jonah8204> stdin: thanks, i see there are a bunch of files *-old, i guess it made backups and started a new "database"
[05:48] <intelikey> manchicken the permission of the beast rw-rw-rw-
[05:49] <manchicken> intelikey: Very true.
[05:49] <manchicken> Numbers are fun ^_^
[05:49] <juano> stdin: nope doesnt seem to work, maybe cause im routed or somethin?
[05:51] <stdin> juano: maybe, I found some settings from google you can try, as a final test: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287
[05:52] <juano_> could it be firewall or something?
[05:53] <juano_> though through thunderbird i can send mail ok
[05:53] <stdin> looked at http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287 ?
[05:53] <manchicken> intelikey: The hex of the beast 29A.
[05:53] <hawk_> hello, i am back... well i have installed fluxbox but how do i add it to the login screen for kde
[05:53] <manchicken> juano_: If it was a network issue like that, you wouldn't have been able to telnet.
[05:54] <intelikey> 110110110
[05:54] <lascar> and tomboy it is.  Thanks Dr_phil!
[05:54] <lascar> I mean Dr_Willis ;)
[05:54] <juano_> but its weird, it sais no new messages on this server and i just sent one, when i enter through http i can see it right there in my inbox
[05:54] <juano_> ive already enabled POP3 through gmail
[05:54] <manchicken> intelikey: That'd be 1010011010
[05:54] <intelikey> no i was using the perms idea still
[05:55] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:55] <manchicken> I suppose ^_^
[05:55] <intelikey> as it were 110 110 110
[05:55] <stdin> hawk_: what's in /usr/share/xsessions/ ?
[05:55] <hawk_> ok lets go and see
[05:56] <manchicken> hawk_: Find the fluxbox.desktop
[05:56] <hawk_> kde.desktop
[05:56] <hawk_> and that is it
[05:56] <manchicken> hawk_: And copy it to /usr/share/xsessions
[05:56] <hawk_> ok
[05:57] <stdin> if you installed the package "fluxbox" it should be in there already
[05:57] <hawk_> well i guess i am just unlucky
[05:57] <hawk_> lol
[05:57] <manchicken> hawk_: Copy the kde.desktop to fluxbox.desktop, and then edit it to point to fluxbox.
[05:58] <hawk_> ok
[05:58] <manchicken> hawk_: When I apt-get install'ed fluxbox, it put the fluxbox.desktop in there, too.
[05:58] <manchicken> I'm gonna hit the roost here in about 2 minutes.
[05:58] <hawk_> no there is no fluxbox in there
[05:58] <manchicken> It's 22:58.  Eesh.
[05:59] <manchicken> hawk_: Making your own won't hurt.
[05:59] <stdin> hawk_: it should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1264/
[05:59] <jonah8204> even though the dpkg info is in /var/lib/dpkg, i haven't had anyluck with any of the files helping my system recongnize which packages are installed, anything i can do to "scan" my systems installed packages and make a new db?
[06:00] <manchicken> jonah8204: What is the problem you're having specifically?
[06:00] <marco> Hello, I'm using ubuntu but I'd like to try Debian. I know that Ubuntu is debian related but... Curiosity :) Will I see lot of changes or... it's going to be pretty much the same? Finally, what about automatic updates and synaptic ? Will I see it in Debian? Tanks
[06:01] <manchicken> marco: I would think it pretty simple.  I'm not sure what they use over there.
[06:01] <phobiac> It is package based though, as far as I know.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> marco,  id stick with ubuntu. :)
[06:01] <manchicken> marco: You may just be able to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to switch.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> marco,  thers a lot of little differances and bits of 'polish' with ubuntu/kubuntu - that make debian seem a bit rough in places.
[06:02] <marco> What do you do to update your system?
[06:02] <manchicken> phobiac: Debian?  Yeah, of course it's package-based.
[06:02] <stdin> marco: If you're going to try debian, then a fresh install is recommended, but mostly it's the same, but be warned you may have to install gnome or kde ofter, as I don't think they are installed by default
[06:02] <Dr_willis> marco,  ubuntu/kubuntu  have their own update repositories. works the same as debian does
[06:02] <hawk_> it want let me copy back into the session flolder
[06:02] <intelikey> marco debian stable or development ?
[06:02] <manchicken> phobiac: That's like saying oil is carbon-based.
[06:03] <stdin> hawk_: sudo cp
[06:03] <jonah8204> manchicken: apt/dpkg/aptitude don't recongnize that i have packages installed on my system (this after an (accidental) erasing of my etc directory)
[06:03] <manchicken> hawk_: Use sudo.
[06:03] <manchicken> jonah8204: Ahh...  I'm not sure how to come back from that.
[06:03] <manchicken> jonah8204: Be more careful with sudo ^_^
[06:04] <Minataku> jonah8204: That's... that's pretty bad
[06:04] <marco> Well, there's one fta with 31r4
[06:04] <marco> ftp
[06:04] <manchicken> Okay, it's time to hit the roost.
[06:04] <manchicken> Later folks.
[06:04] <jonah8204> :) it really is, i guess i have to reinstall :(
[06:04] <Minataku> That's like accidentally destroying all the concrete in your house's foundation
[06:05] <lupine_85> jonah8204: maybe an apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop will do you
[06:05] <lupine_85> if you're lucky :)
[06:05] <lupine_85> reinstall will be less hassle, most likely
[06:06] <intelikey> jonah8204 may i ask how you "an (accidental) erasing of my etc"  ?
[06:06] <intelikey> what did you do ?
[06:07] <phobiac> Jonah: Going on what lupine said, you might be able to make a sources.list in /etc/apt/
[06:07] <jonah8204> intelikey i messed up with wildcards i needed to get ride of certain files. rm *something. and it erased everything except the dirs, not the result i was excpecting
[06:07] <Jucato> (sudo rm -rf /etc......)
[06:07] <phobiac> And then do apt-get instal kubuntu-desktop? Possibly?
[06:07] <ironfroggy> anyone experience odd problems with amarok suddenly thinking the collection is empty?
[06:07] <intelikey> Jucato yeah....
[06:07] <jonah8204> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop seems like a good suggestion, i'm gonna try it
[06:07] <ironfroggy> yet i get no database connection errors and the files in the collection are all present.
[06:08] <phobiac> johnah: You'll need a sources.list though.
[06:08] <phobiac> I would assume.
[06:08] <jonah8204> i
[06:08] <juano_> manchicken: lol this is drivin me nuts
[06:08] <jonah8204> i've got one, i'm using the /etc dir from another pc
[06:08] <intelikey> i accadentillu did  sudo rm -fr /etc     and typed in my passwd   and waited while it removed my files... accidentally.
[06:08] <Jucato> maybe something that uses --get-selections and --set-selections
[06:08] <phobiac> Ah okay.
[06:08] <juano_> manchicken: i tried that conf, doesnt work
[06:09] <jonah8204> intelikey: lol
[06:09] <juano_> manchicken: and through thunderbird seems i can only send mail
[06:09] <juano_> manchicken: i try sending to myself an email
[06:09] <juano_> manchicken: and then fetching it, doesnt seem to work
[06:12] <marco> Debian comes in 2 DVDs . I's lot of software, no ? :)
[06:13] <intelikey> marco the two dvd set is all the repo on disk so you don't install from the network you install from the disks      (not the initial install only)
[06:14] <marco> right
[06:14] <marco> is 31r4 the latest release?
[06:15] <intelikey> marco there is #debian you know.
[06:16] <marco> oh. I'm sorry. Since ubuntu is debian related... dint mean
[06:16] <intelikey> !debian
[06:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[06:16] <marco> tnks
[06:18] <K`zan> What does it take to get a super user konqueror file manager - I can su it, but I can't do anything :-(.
[06:18] <intelikey> kdesu konqueror
[06:18] <K`zan> thanks! intelikey
[06:19] <phobiac> sudo konqueror has always worked for me too.
[06:20] <intelikey> phobiac mmm hmm  but "works for me"   is not a recomendation
[06:20] <bky> i have 2 issues, one I asked about before, but the new one trubles me...
[06:20] <intelikey> !works for me
[06:20] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:20] <K`zan> kdesu konqueror --profile filemanagement
[06:20] <K`zan> kdesu: Unknown option '--profile'.
[06:20] <stdin> !worksforme
[06:20] <K`zan> wich works fine without the kdesu...
[06:20] <bky> my video card is acting odd, I think it's the drivers. when I use the open drivers, it seems fine
[06:20] <stdin> sudo can mess up some config files, kdesu wont
[06:21] <bky> when I open and close windows (and do other things, like just mosing over the header buttons) my video card makes this buzzing sound
[06:21] <K`zan> Yep, well this is the only real problem I have run into with ubuntu yet :-), it is a gross PITA, but I can log out and back in and do what I need to do :-(.
[06:21] <Jucato> K`zan: kdesu 'konqueror --profile filemangement'
[06:22] <bky> it's not the card for sure (as I said, only the proprititary drivers do it)
[06:22] <intelikey> K`zan the options --profile filemanagement  are good for what ?    is it like you can't browse without  --profile filemanagement  ???
[06:22] <K`zan> Jucato: Damn, I should have caught that :-), thanks!
[06:22] <bky> and it worked with no noise on suse/fedora/xp
[06:22] <K`zan> Nope, malformed URL :-(.
[06:23] <stdin> K`zan:  kdesu -c 'konqueror --profile filemanagement'
[06:23] <Jucato> K`zan: try double quotes
[06:23] <intelikey> kdesu konqueror
[06:23] <stdin> ^^ works best
[06:23] <K`zan> double quote gets same resulyt.
[06:23] <intelikey> so simple to just do it.
[06:23] <Jucato> :O
[06:24] <Jucato> that never happened to me...
[06:24] <draik> Hello all
[06:24] <K`zan> Sigh, trying to edit my root .bashrc and it will not allow me to do it...
[06:24] <draik> just kidding
[06:24] <intelikey> lol
[06:25] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:25] <K`zan> sign, that doesn't work either.
[06:25] <intelikey> K`zan why in the world are you wanting to run konq to edit a file.
[06:25] <intelikey> ?
[06:25] <K`zan> oh well
[06:25] <K`zan> intelikey: To see if I can if I need to...  Handy when you admin a lot.
[06:26] <intelikey> K`zan  sudo nano /root/.bashrc
[06:26] <K`zan> Might as well just run as root, but I hate to do that.
[06:26] <K`zan> nano, nahhh
[06:26] <K`zan> :-)(
[06:26] <intelikey> kate
[06:26] <K`zan> doesn't work, going to have to fake out X to begin with...
[06:26] <intelikey> ok i've heard enough whining tho.
[06:27] <K`zan> Same here :)
[06:27] <K`zan> Can't be done, enough said.
[06:27] <draik> Hey Jucato & intelikey do you know of a channel where I can get help with remoting into my friend's computer?
[06:27] <Jucato> draik: nope.. sorry... :(
[06:27] <intelikey> draik ssh ?
[06:27] <draik> I know it can be done. I just want to be able to do it so that I can help from home
[06:28] <draik> intelikey: This is the error message I get...        [Notice]  -ChanServ- You do not have channel operator access to [#ssh] 
[06:28] <ramanuj> can anybody tell me how to start a service on boot
[06:28] <ramanuj> in ubuntu
[06:28] <intelikey> draik ssh no not channel.   are you trying to use ssh ?
[06:28] <ramanuj> as i am have to start my wlan everytime i start my computer
[06:29] <draik> intelikey: ssh over VNC
[06:29] <draik> !vnc
[06:29] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:29] <intelikey> ramanuj init scripts
[06:29] <stdin> draik: you get your friend to install ssh, then get them to set up a user account for you
[06:29] <draik> whoops
[06:29] <draik> backwards... VNC over ssh
[06:29] <draik> stdin: They have ssh installed
[06:29] <ramanuj> i know in RPM based distributions but here in ubuntu i m new
[06:29] <ramanuj> where these init scripts are in ubuntu
[06:29] <draik> !autostart
[06:29] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[06:30] <intelikey> draik the vnc part i have no exp with but ssh in and make sure that you can connect
[06:30] <stdin> draik: then you just need an account and pass to login with
[06:30] <draik> !autostart > ramanuj
[06:30] <draik> stdin: I have his UN/PW already
[06:30] <draik> intelikey: the issue is with our routers... Can't connect to him
[06:30] <stdin> draik: then just: ssh username@host
[06:31] <draik> stdin: he's behind a router at his home
[06:31] <stdin> draik: ahh, then he nees to forward port 22 to his internal IP
[06:31] <draik> hmmm
[06:31] <stdin> port 22 = ssh
[06:31] <intelikey> draik the router will have to open/forward port 22  or you will have to set his box's ssh to listen on an open port.
[06:32] <draik> stdin: FWD port 22 to his IP and then do it from home?
[06:32] <intelikey> ssh defaults to 22 but could be anything
[06:32] <stdin> draik: yeah, if he forwards port 22 (default for ssh) on the router to his internal IP then you'll be able to connect from the net
[06:33] <draik> stdin: Very good. I will try that tomorrow. I just saw what time it is. I'm sure he's not awake. What about doing it via GUI?
[06:33] <intelikey> correct.    and or  edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf and have ssh listen on a port that the router has open and ssh username@ip:port#
[06:34] <stdin> draik: he'll have to do it on the router, there is normally a web interface to it, normally on http://192.168.1.1 (or similar)
[06:35] <draik> stdin: I mean about going into his computer via some GUI so that I can see his desktop
[06:36] <stdin> draik: freenx is one way, or VNCoverSSH is another
[06:37] <draik> I have FreeNX, but I have issues with running the app
[06:37] <draik> VNCoverSSH didn't work for us
[06:37] <draik> we kept trying
[06:37] <stdin> he'll need a good upstream bandwidth to forward X over SSH
[06:38] <draik> I am also unable to scp from desktop to laptop and laptop to desktop here at home
[06:39] <intelikey> sshd running
[06:39] <stdin> on both ?
[06:41] <LameBMX> xcon, you still alive out there lol
[06:43] <draik> should be intelikey stdin
[06:43] <Rob-West> nixternal
[06:43] <stdin> draik: do you have a firewall on either the desktop or laptop?
[06:44] <draik> nope
[06:44] <stdin> draik: and both are linux?
[06:44] <draik> Both are Kubuntu
[06:44] <draik> Dapper on laptop
[06:44] <draik> Edgy on desktop
[06:45] <stdin> draik: if you run "ps ax|grep sshd" on both do you see something like "5070 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd" ?
[06:46] <draik> stdin: yes
[06:46] <xcon> lame: yea, plyin with fire
[06:46] <stdin> draik: and have you changed to config on either (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) ?
[06:47] <draik> stdin: nope
[06:47] <stdin> draik: do you get any error messages ?
[06:48] <draik> I think that I might have the scp done with incorrect parameters
[06:48] <xcon> lame: too many screen ses floatin around, had to back away...
[06:49] <stdin> draik: you use it like "scp filename user@host:port:/path/to/save/to/filename"
[06:49] <stdin> draik: as an example "scp myfile user@laptop:/home/user/myfile"
[06:50] <LameBMX> xcon, yea i understand ....
[06:50] <LameBMX> is vnc working xcon
[06:50] <xcon> lame: i get one second before vnc frezes
[06:51] <draik> hmmm
[06:51] <draik> stdin: that didn't work
[06:51] <stdin> draik: did you get any errors?
[06:51] <draik> no such file or directory
[06:51] <LameBMX> xcon, well what you want to know ... icons are still brok
[06:52] <xcon> lets see another round of "how to get gaim to work... " did you compile your own gtk and then gaim in /usr/local?
[06:52] <stdin> draik: that was just an example, you change it to your use the file you want to send
[06:52] <draik> I am on my desktop... so I typed           scp filename laptop@lap.top.ip.addy:/my/desktop/location
[06:53] <LameBMX> xcon, no i used --prefix=/usr
[06:54] <draik> GOT IT
[06:54] <draik> it's supposed to be my desktop's info, not my laptop's info
[06:54] <draik> so...
[06:54] <draik> it's supposed to be typed...
[06:54] <draik> scp filename desktop@desk.top.ip.addy:/my/desktop/location
[06:56] <stdin> draik: yeah, takes a bit of working out the right syntax at first
[06:56] <draik> Thank you stdin
[06:56] <draik> Thank you intelikey for your help as well
[06:56] <draik> Now I can go to sleep
[06:56] <draik> I was about to crash like windows
[06:57] <Jucato> good night draik! sorry I couldn't help...
[06:57] <stdin> night draik :)
[06:57] <draik> It's ok Jucato. You helped by not lying... you didn't try to bs me one route or another
[06:58] <draik> NIGHT EVERYONE... Time for some fresh eyes
[06:58] <Jucato> one router or another :)
[06:58] <intelikey> just a note but relative addressing works too.     scp filename desktop@desk.top.ip.addy:~/desktop/filename
[06:59] <intelikey> ~  and  $HOME   and ./
[07:00] <stdin> $HOME wont work if you have different usernames on the boxes, as bash will read the variable from the local box
[07:01] <stdin> hmm, looks like '~' wont either
[07:01] <intelikey> stdin \$HOME     :)
[07:02] <stdin> intelikey: that should work, I'm gonna try it and see :P
[07:02] <intelikey> i tried it but only locally
[07:03] <intelikey> both ~ and \~   work locally
[07:03] <stdin> intelikey: what dose 'echo ~' show tho?
[07:04] <intelikey> shows my home dir
[07:05] <stdin> intelikey: so user1 trying  'scp file user2@local:~/Desktop' will copy to /home/user1/Desktop
[07:05] <intelikey> no
[07:05] <intelikey> will copy to /home/user2/Desktop
[07:05] <intelikey> i just tried it...
[07:06] <stdin> intelikey: just tried, you're right :P
[07:06] <intelikey> both ~ and \~ work locally.   i don't know about over a network
[07:06] <stdin> intelikey: shouldn't matter
[07:06] <intelikey> agreed
[07:09] <ForgeAus> does Xnest work in kubuntu?
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I had it going in Zenwalk fine
[07:10] <ForgeAus> kubuntu says theres a server active on display 0
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I don't want to quit the one I'm in I just want to nest a new one
[07:10] <stdin> ForgeAus:  try "xnest -- :1" ?
[07:11] <ForgeAus> nope just gave me help info.. so I guess that was bad parameter?
[07:12] <intelikey> worked.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> ahhh without the -- it kinda works tho
[07:12] <ForgeAus> just doesn't load the *DM to log into it lol
[07:13] <stdin> ForgeAus: it won't. KDM can only be started once
[07:13] <stdin> intelikey: that will save me some typing from now on :P
[07:14] <intelikey> stdin yeah.
[07:14] <ForgeAus> hmmm well I doubt it was kdm Zenwalk used XFCE or something...
[07:15] <ForgeAus> but it did Xnest another loginscreen... KDM can't do that?
[07:16] <stdin> ForgeAus: don't think so, KDM can only be started once, and it's still running even when you login
[07:17] <ForgeAus> but you can't nest logins?
[07:17] <ForgeAus> ie be logged in as anothe user while your logged in?
[07:17] <bobleny> Hey, How do I copy and past in the terminal as root?
[07:17] <bobleny> Like, I need to copy a file from one place to another.
[07:18] <stdin> bobleny: cp file /place/to/copy/file
[07:18] <bobleny> Ok thank you
[07:26] <bobleny> Does the terminal have a problem with spaces or something in paths?
[07:27] <Jucato>  normally, you can't type file/directory names with spaces directly. you either enclose the whole name in " " or use \ before the spaces, or use Tab completion
[07:27] <bobleny> oh
[07:27] <Jucato> if the filename is "My File Name", you can either type is as "My File Name", My\ File\ Name, or just, type in My, then press Tab
[07:30] <K`zan> how to install a .deb ubuntu package file I downloaded ? apt-get install ./package.deb ?
[07:30] <bobleny> Thank you!
[07:30] <Jucato> K`zan: right-click on it -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[07:30] <Jucato> K`zan: or "sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>"
[07:31] <K`zan> Jucato: Thanks, hadn't seen the package menu thing, looking.
[07:36] <stdin> ssh is fun :P
[07:37] <Rob-West> i know
[07:37] <hyper_ch> hi, what's the keystroke combination to log me out of the xsession?
[07:38] <stdin> hyper_ch: you mean kill the X server ?
[07:38] <stdin> or in KDE ?
[07:38] <hyper_ch> stdin: in kde.... it's not responding properly anymore
[07:38] <hyper_ch> how can I restart the xsession?
[07:38] <hyper_ch> stdin: or log me out totally from my system
[07:39] <hyper_ch> stdin: (not wanting to reboot)
[07:39] <hyper_ch> stdin: I have a terminal open
[07:39] <stdin> Alt-Ctrl-Delete, or Alt-Ctrl-Shift-Delete, or if all else fails Ctrl-Alt--Backspace
[07:39] <hyper_ch> stdin: thx
[07:43] <intelikey> brb
[07:47] <hyper_ch> stdin: ctrl-alt-backspace worked perfectly
[07:48] <stdin> the first 2 are KDE specific, ctrl-alt-backspace just kills the X server :)
[07:50] <hyper_ch> stdin: thx for the info :)
[07:51] <stdin> no problem :)
[07:51] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+del is not kde specific   x can catch that too  and use it for reboot.    it's not default in *buntu tho
[07:51] <intelikey> and in console it's reboot
[07:52] <intelikey> by default
[07:53] <stdin> he didn't want to reboot tho
[07:53] <intelikey> stdin the list of information you gathered looks for all the world like you might intend to try to hack this box at some later date ....
[07:53] <intelikey> :)
[07:53] <Jucato> stdin: please do so :)
[07:54] <stdin> intelikey: just keep that firewall up :P
[07:54] <intelikey> yeah fire wall   :)
[07:54] <intelikey> you know iptables wasn't running.
[07:54] <intelikey> err had no rules set
[07:55] <stdin> yeah, it's always running
[07:55] <hyper_ch> oh, new xserver-xorg-core... I guess I have to kill xserver again in a minute
[07:55] <stdin> just needs rules :P
[07:56] <stdin> just restrict what address sshd listens on
[07:57] <intelikey> stdin it doesn't run by default.   i start sshd manually
[07:57] <intelikey> and i guess i'm throught with it for now.
[07:58] <stdin> that's the way I run it to, I always have to start it if I know I'm going to use it
[07:59] <intelikey> but i don't see an easy way for the avarage script kiddy to crack a box with nosuid and no root login.     i'm not saying it can't be done but i don't see how...
[07:59] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: weak passwords
[08:00] <intelikey> Linux_Galore no password
[08:00] <unix_infidel> lol
[08:00] <makuseru> where is the sources.list?
[08:00] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I noticed ubuntu doesnt lock the machine on distionary hacks
[08:00] <unix_infidel> you can do that manually.
[08:00] <stdin> makuseru: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <intelikey> Linux_Galore you do understand what "nosuid" means don't you ?
[08:01] <makuseru> thats what i thought i typed in
[08:01] <Linux_Galore> yeah but ubuntu should have it set that if the user tries more than 20 times in a session to login it locks the account for 30 min
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> yes
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yes
[08:02] <intelikey> but they can try for ever on a locked account  and root is locked.
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: there are a few kernel patches to lock root
[08:03] <unix_infidel> ugh, i dont the he gets it :)
[08:03] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: ie you can have a root account but its really seriously monitored
[08:03] <Linux_Galore> yeah, no root acount blah blah
[08:03] <intelikey> ...
[08:03] <Linux_Galore> but its not any good to remote admin
[08:04] <intelikey> correct remote admin is impossable on this thing.
[08:04] <intelikey> can't be done.
[08:04] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I prefere and IDS patch on the kernel
[08:05] <intelikey> :)
[08:05] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: its not new, but if the machine is critical its not a good idea
[08:07] <intelikey> oh yeah that too.   the fact that there is nothing on the box that i would hide from the world at large   helps too.
[08:07] <intelikey> :)
[08:07] <intelikey> there isn't even anything on this box i'd want to hide from M$  lol
[08:10] <Linux_Galore>  w
[08:10] <Linux_Galore>    w
[08:10] <Linux_Galore>      w
[08:11] <Linux_Galore>                    w
[08:11] <Linux_Galore>                          BOOM
[08:11] <Jucato> heh
[08:12] <Jucato> btw Linux_Galore, you could also tell the guys in #konversation that in irssi, netsplit parts and joins are handled by batches, not 1 line per nick
[08:12] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: why tell me, Ive already had a rant
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: even left a message on the forum
[08:13] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: since you're interested about it, thought you might want that bit of info
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah, they are working on changing konversation
[08:13] <Jucato> ok, nvm. next time, I just won't say anything
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: thats on the list
[08:14] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah, but Im not a dev on that one so I cant do much
[08:14] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: apparently right now the way konversation is setup it cant filter the netsplit stuff
[08:16] <intelikey> hmmm when Jucato shuts up   he really shuts up....
[08:17] <intelikey> :)
[08:20] <radiant> .
[08:20] <intelikey> interesting bash -li doesn't add anything to   w  or  who
[08:20] <stdin> intelikey: I found out that too
[08:20] <xenophile7x7> its about damned time...
[08:20] <intelikey> :)
[08:21] <intelikey> stdin yeah i was still tracking all you did
[08:21] <intelikey> stdin like i said it gave me a chance to brush up.
[08:21] <stdin> I also niticed your nice perm for /
[08:21] <stdin> :)
[08:21] <intelikey> ty
[08:21] <intelikey> :)
[08:22] <intelikey> yeah i saw where you checked a lot of perms
[08:22] <intelikey> ;/
[08:22] <stdin> hehe :)
[08:22] <intelikey> and saved the /etc/shadow file
[08:22] <intelikey> >:] 
[08:23] <stdin> I looked at the perms for /etc/shaddow, didn't save it, can't anyway
[08:23] <stdin> looked at /etc/passwd tho :)
[08:24] <intelikey> you did cat /etc/shadow   don't tell me you can copy and paste that data  then use john on it...
[08:24] <intelikey> i was born at night but not last night.
[08:24] <stdin> intelikey: try "cat /etc/shadow" as non root, it shouldn't let you
[08:25] <matthew> hey how do i access and control my cpu fan? something similar to speedfan on windows?
[08:25] <intelikey> stdin it does.
[08:26] <stdin> intelikey: well lucky for you. that outta my konsole history now :P
[08:26] <intelikey> stdin i may have the perms messed on my box...   does it work on yours ?
[08:26] <stdin> intelikey: I get "cat: /etc/shadow: Permission denied"
[08:27] <intelikey> stdin yeah and Console-Log-Daemon
[08:27] <intelikey> k i'll adjust mine
[08:27] <stdin> intelikey: I wasn't smart enough to log it :P
[08:27] <intelikey> lol
[08:28] <intelikey> doesn't matter there's no login unless i set a passwd for that purpose.  all accounts are locked.
[08:28] <stdin> on my system /etc/shaddow is 540 root:shaddow
[08:28] <stdin> opps, 640 :P
[08:29] <intelikey> yeah i fixed mine.   and actually 640
[08:29] <stdin> i noticed my little typo there
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:29] <intelikey> it wasn't the perm it was the group    was set to users
[08:30] <stdin> ahh, not good :P
[08:30] <intelikey> i know
[08:32] <stdin> intelikey: noticed I used a command like "find . -type f -perm /o=w" ?
[08:32] <intelikey> yeah
[08:32] <stdin> lets me find any file that is writable to everyone (others)
[08:32] <intelikey> but wasn't sure why
[08:33] <stdin> world writable
[08:33] <stdin> *writeable
[08:33] <intelikey> yes but in the users home dir  ?
[08:33] <stdin> intelikey: i ran it from /etc :P
[08:34] <intelikey> oh yeah you did cd eariler   heh
[08:36] <intelikey> i also noticed you grabbed the ip info   even though you had the ip... and i figured you were looking for local networking
[08:37] <stdin> I was just curious, see if you had a LAN
[08:38] <intelikey> hey i offered for you to "look around"   and expected no less
[08:39] <intelikey> did you ever find the master user name ?
[08:39] <stdin> if it was in /etc/passwd, then yes I did
[08:40] <intelikey> i noticed you looked in every thing in /home   but you didn't look in my home dir
[08:40] <intelikey> so i guess you didn't notice.
[08:40] <intelikey> :)
[08:40] <stdin>  /home had only 3 dirs in it, that I could see
[08:40] <intelikey> yep
[08:40] <intelikey> but my home is not in /home
[08:41] <stdin> I looked in /etc/passwd after looking in /home , so I'm sure I saw it
[08:42] <intelikey> yeah
[08:42] <stdin> but I wasn't being malicious, so didn't dig to deep :)
[08:42] <stdin> I always set my $HOME to 700, when there is a users group
[08:43] <stdin> 750 if using private groups
[08:43] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  ls -dl ..
[08:43] <intelikey> dr-xr-x--x 14 greg root 4096 Jan  8 11:20 ..
[08:44] <intelikey> world executable but not readable
[08:44] <stdin> ls -ld .
[08:44] <stdin> drwx------ 71 myuser myuser 4096 2007-01-12 07:31
[08:44] <intelikey> now i can have subdirs that are world readable that they can access and not see what's in ~
[08:46] <stdin> I don't need users to go in my ~ anyway, I have a /share dir
[08:47] <intelikey> yeah.  my share dir is in my home so it works.  it's all good.
[08:47] <stdin> heh, look at those perms: drwxrwsrwt 4 root users 4096 2006-12-29 17:58 /share
[08:48] <intelikey> yeah
[08:57] <intelikey> sabalistics*.tar.gz
[08:57] <tn-> hello
[08:58] <stdin> hi
[08:58] <tn-> I was wondering if someone among you had encountered problems with the hda-intel sound driver ?
[08:59] <stdin> guess not
[08:59] <tn-> I found a web page aoubt this driver, but nothing could help
[08:59] <stdin> what sound card/chip is it?
[09:00] <tn-> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:00] <tn->         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 2808
[09:00] <tn-> thomas@dev07:~$ LC_ALL="C" aplay -l
[09:00] <tn-> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[09:00] <tn-> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel] , device 0: ALC260 Analog [ALC260 Analog] 
[09:00] <tn->   Subdevices: 0/1
[09:00] <tn->   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[09:01] <tn-> the driver seem to recognize the chip correctly
[09:01] <tn-> but I get no sound
[09:01] <stdin> hmm
[09:01] <stdin> !sound
[09:01] <tn-> The 1st times I booted the machine I could have some sound
[09:01] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:02] <tn-> but little by little the volume got lower and lower
[09:02] <tn-> and now I have nothing
[09:02] <stdin> how old is it?
[09:03] <tn-> brand new !
[09:03] <tn-> I got it last friday
[09:03] <tn-> it's an HP with a core 2 duo
[09:03] <tn-> (not a laptop)
[09:03] <stdin> maybe a silly question, but have you made sure sound isn't muted ?
[09:04] <tn-> yes :)
[09:05] <stdin> have you checked with "alsamixer" too ?
[09:05] <tn-> yes...
[09:05] <stdin> (in konsole)
[09:06] <tn-> I tried also tu use alsactl but no success
[09:07] <chuen> stdn: Hi - are you still at work?
[09:07] <stdin> chuen: no, got home about 3am :P
[09:08] <chuen> Slacking off eh? ;-)
[09:08] <stdin> tn-: can you play sounds with aplay ? (you need a .wav file)
[09:08] <tn-> I tried, but no
[09:08] <tn-> aplay seems to be playing, but there is still no sound
[09:08] <intelikey> aplay ?    is that default install ?
[09:08] <chuen> The upgrade seems OK . I've got one 'funny' story about my printer though and one question about the soumixr.
[09:08] <chuen> soundmixer.
[09:08] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, it's from alsa
[09:09] <intelikey> i've never seen it
[09:09] <tn-> I alse tried to disable artsd in case it was locking the mixer and /dev/audio without success
[09:09] <intelikey> in alsa-utils  i guess
[09:10] <chuen> stdin: I've set up a User for my son, but when he logs in, the soundmixer doesn't function.
[09:10] <chuen> stdin: Is that because it is not set up p 'universally' across users.
[09:11] <stdin> chuen, and to tn- too I guess: are your users in the "audio" group?
[09:12] <tn-> yes I am :)
[09:14] <jordo23> Today is my birthday!
[09:14] <jordo23> Go jordo....it's your birthday...
[09:15] <tn-> stdin: what's interesting is that sound used to work, but volume got lower and lower with each reboot
[09:15] <stdin> hmm
[09:16] <chuen> stdin: Sorry, was  was reading email. 'Audio Group'?
[09:17] <StingRay> Hi, stdin :)
[09:18] <stdin> chuen: they need to be in a group called "audio"
[09:18] <stdin> hey StingRay  :)
[09:18] <K|NgGh0sT> can anyone gimme some hints into getting ipw2200 to work?
[09:19] <chuen> stdin: Um, how do I do that (or can I rtfm!)?
[09:19] <tn-> command: groups
[09:19] <tn-> in a konsole
[09:19] <stdin> tn-: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems ?
[09:19] <tn-> yes
[09:19] <stdin> chuen: how did you create the user ?
[09:20] <stdin> tn-: hmm, I don't know what's happened, you had sound, but it got quieter every boot?
[09:20] <tn-> yes
[09:20] <tn-> and now nothing
[09:21] <tn-> I also tried to set "option snd-hda-intel model=hp" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:21] <tn-> but without success either
[09:22] <intelikey> edit /etc/group    add your user/s to   audio:x:29:     audio:x:29:yourname,otherusers,moreusers
[09:22] <stdin> and the modules is loaded?
[09:22] <tn-> yes
[09:22] <stdin> hmm
[09:22] <tn-> thomas@dev07:~$ lsmod | grep snd
[09:22] <tn-> snd_hda_intel          20116  6
[09:22] <tn-> snd_hda_codec         164608  1 snd_hda_intel
[09:22] <tn-> snd_pcm_oss            47360  0
[09:22] <tn-> snd_mixer_oss          19584  1 snd_pcm_oss
[09:22] <tn-> snd_pcm                84612  4 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[09:22] <tn-> snd_timer              25348  3 snd_pcm
[09:22] <tn-> snd                    58372  15 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[09:22] <tn-> soundcore              11232  1 snd
[09:22] <tn-> snd_page_alloc         11400  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
[09:22] <chuen> stdin: That's a good point :) Seriously though, I've been doing so much, I'll have to think about that and trace my steps ...
[09:22] <tn-> mybe the chips is burnt ?
[09:23] <stdin> it dose look more like a hardware failure
[09:23] <matthew> what should i use to read .iso images? is there programs to mount virtual drives?
[09:24] <aakarsh> #zen
[09:24] <stdin> tn-: maybe ask in #ubuntu
[09:24] <stdin> matthew: mount
[09:24] <tn-> ok
[09:24] <stdin> !iso
[09:24] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[09:24] <tn-> thanks stdin
[09:24] <Rob-West> can someone help me stream audio from a computer on my network to another PC
[09:24] <matthew> ty
[09:24] <stdin> tn-: no problem, let me know how it tunes out
[09:24] <tn-> ok
[09:25] <stdin> chuen: there is a GUI to create/edit users in SystemSettings
[09:25] <matthew> !md5
[09:25] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[09:25] <chuen> stdin: system settings -> user management. (I think)
[09:25] <stdin> chuen: yep
[09:26] <Rob-West> can someone help me stream audio from a computer in my network
[09:26] <vge> Hi, im trying to install phppgadmin from repos, but the version there only works with php4 or em i wrong?
[09:27] <OO7TDD> i have an hp dv200t and cannot get my headphone jack to output anything or even mute the speakers when i plug headphones in. any idea's? ive tried several things found on the forums for similar soundcards. non did anything.
[09:27] <chuen> stdin: So what do I need to add to his settings there?
[09:28] <OO7TDD> currently im trying to compile the latest alsa drivers but getting an "dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" error.
[09:30] <stdin> chuen: 1st go in to administrator mode, then click the user, then click modify, then where it says "Secondary Groups", click Select, then look for "audio" in "Avaliable Groups"
[09:31] <Toranaga-San> vge: I think that your wrong. It says in the requirements php4-cgi OR php5-cgi
[09:31] <K|NgGh0sT> I'm having issues installing ipw2200 can anyone help me
[09:31] <OO7TDD> what problems?
[09:33] <K|NgGh0sT> Bugs out \/home/kingghost/Desktop/ipw2200-1.2.1/ipw2200-1.2.1/ipw2200.c:11894: error: struct ieee80211_device has no member named is_qos_active
[09:33] <chuen> stdin: Great, thanks!
[09:34] <OO7TDD> out of curiosity, running feisty?
[09:34] <Jazon> good morning everyone
[09:34] <OO7TDD> morning
[09:34] <chuen> stdin: After the upgrade I tried to print something and nothing happened, I checked the driver and nothing had been altered (I didn't think it would). Then I noticed a small pool of ink under the printer :) It's finally packed up!
[09:35] <Jazon> is it normal for memory not to empty?  All I have open right now is Kate, and I am using gobs of ram. :-(
[09:35] <chuen> Jazon: Morning.
[09:35] <Jazon> Mem:       1286720    1045652     241068          0     141256     430228
[09:35] <Jazon> Swap:      3686908     375416    3311492
[09:36] <Jazon> how do i view memory usage?
[09:36] <stdin> Jazon: it's normal, most seems to be used for cache
[09:37] <stdin> !memory | Jazon
[09:37] <Jazon> -/+ buffers/cache:     474168     812552
[09:37] <ubotu> Jazon: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[09:37] <Jazon> ahhh ok
[09:37] <stdin> chuen: sometimes it helps to delete the printer, then re-add it, don't ask why, but it worked for me once :P
[09:38] <Jazon> stdin: but it is using a gig of ram.  not disk... ???
[09:38] <stdin> Jazon: read the link, the disk cache is in RAM
[09:39] <intelikey> is that 1.2g ram  and 3.6g swap ?
[09:39] <Jazon> oh, i didnt understand that.  intelikey that is correct
[09:39] <StingRay> Jazon, top
[09:39] <unix_infidel> eek.
[09:39] <Jazon> whats wrong with that?
[09:40] <chuen> stdin: I'll remeber that :) However, I binned the printer, it was on its last legs anyway. Bidding for an Eposen on eBay now :)
[09:40] <Jazon> I occasionaly have to load huge rasters into QGis and GRASS (GIS sw) but not often oneough to warrant shelling out another 80 for anoter gig of ram)
[09:40] <stdin> chuen: have a look on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters for known supported printers, just in case :P
[09:41] <intelikey> -/+ buffers/cache:      17944     237276
[09:41] <intelikey> Swap:            0          0          0
[09:41] <Jazon> hmmm.  how do i tell if high mem support is enabled?
[09:41] <intelikey> it is
[09:42] <stdin> Jazon: it is in the default ubuntu kernels
[09:42] <Jazon> 2.6.17-10-386 is my kernel
[09:42] <Jazon> oh.  ok, good
[09:43] <chuen> stdin: Thx. I looked at linuxprinting.org but the Ubuntu-specific list is likely to be 'safer' :)
[09:43] <Jazon> who is talking about epson?
[09:43] <Jazon> sorry...  I have been using them... missed that earlier... what was the topic?
[09:44] <stdin> Jazon: chuen is going to get an epson to replace his old printer
[09:45] <Jazon> Q: my laptop seems to run much hotter (or at least the fan runs more often) since going to edgy. could this have to do with disk swap mgt?
[09:45] <chuen> Jazon: That's as interesting as it get's here ;-)
[09:45] <ursa> what do I need to install to get Amarok to play FLAC files?
[09:45] <Jazon> epson rocks.  I have a R230 with continuous inking system.  its *great*
[09:46] <chuen> stdin. If I look at the various versions (on the compatibiltiy list) is it safe to say that what has worked in a previous version will work in this most recent version?
[09:46] <chuen> Jason: Just checking options on eBay right now.
[09:47] <stdin> chuen: yeah
[09:47] <chuen> stdin: Cool! Quite a few available then.
[09:47] <Jazon> chuen: where are you at?
[09:47] <chuen> brb, need coffee :)
[09:48] <ursa> Well, it looks like I installed the right stuff to get XMMS to play FLAC files, if it didn't before I added that last package
[09:48] <ursa> But no joy with Amarok
[09:51] <Jazon> off to work.  later guys.  :)
[09:53] <fadey> Hi, everyone. I'm wondering why partition naming changed to UUIDs in Edgy. Could anyone explain or give a link to read about it.
[09:53] <stdin> !UUID | fadey
[09:53] <crazy_bus> I really like the Battle for Wesnoth but I'm looking for a RTS to play.  Something like Warcraft2 or the older Command and conquers.  I've tried Globulation 2 but I would prefer something with more control.  Can anyone recommend a game to me?
[09:53] <ubotu> fadey: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[09:54] <ursa> What package do I need to add for Amarok to be able to play FLAC files?
[09:54] <Healot> crazy_bus: something like warcraft?
[09:54] <Healot> and free?
[09:55] <stdin> crazy_bus: this is a support channel, you'll get a better answer in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:55] <Healot> !find flac
[09:55] <ubotu> Found: flac, libflac++-dev, libflac++5c2, libflac-dev, libflac-doc (and 12 others)
[09:56] <ursa> better question then, how do I do it using Adept?  I had it working the last time I installed Kubuntu
[10:00] <jordo23> Why is it that everytime I use ark to unzip an archive I get errors......the uncompressed files seem to be alright.....but there is always error warnings....
[10:00] <munky08> hello
[10:01] <munky08> has anybody tried easyubuntu?
[10:01] <stdin> easyubuntu is not recommended
[10:02] <munky08> wtf
[10:02] <ursa> Okay, then how do I play FLAC file in Amarok?
[10:02] <Healot> haven't tried easy-ubuntu yet
[10:02] <Healot> install "flac", ursa
[10:02] <munky08> i installed it a while ago and i didnt work
[10:03] <stdin> ursa: it may be a bug in your version of amarok, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210683
[10:03] <ursa> which one?  I used Adept to install Flac support for XMMS which seems to play them just fine if it didn't do so before that
[10:03] <stdin> jordo23: what's the error you get ?
[10:03] <Healot> !info flac
[10:03] <ubotu> flac: Free Lossless Audio Codec - command line tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.2-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 133 kB, installed size 340 kB
[10:04] <ursa> Ah, so I may get FLAC support back in a future version of Amarok?
[10:04] <Healot> the librart is "libflac++5c2"
[10:04] <Healot> ursa
[10:04] <Healot> if the xine-lib is compiled with FLAC, yes
[10:04] <jordo23> stdin: Not sure what to call it.....just the box listing all the files and the glass breaking sound goes off.....does not happen in file roller....
[10:05] <stdin> ursa: yeah, other players should still be able to play flac files in the meantime
[10:06] <stdin> jordo23: so ark shows no errors to you?
[10:06] <ursa> May just have to wait then.
[10:07] <jordo23> stdin: yeah....gimme on sec and I will test...
[10:09] <munky08> do i have edgy or dapper? i installed ubuntu 6.06 then used synaptics to get kubuntu desktop?
[10:09] <munky08> yesterday i did that
[10:10] <stdin> munky08: if you installed 6.06 you have dapper
[10:10] <munky08> how can update to edgy
[10:10] <stdin> !upgrade | munky08
[10:10] <ubotu> munky08: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:10] <munky08> without downloading iso
[10:11] <intelikey> munky08 why upgrade to edgy ?
[10:11] <jordo23> stdin: Also.....superkaramba shows one copy of aero running.....but it is nowhere to be found on my desktop.....when I load it it blinks in the middle of the screen, but then nothing....any ideas?
[10:11] <munky08> thanks
[10:11] <stdin> munky08: you can use the command "lsb_release -c" to check what you have
[10:11] <intelikey> or -a
[10:12] <stdin> -c just shoes the name tho
[10:12] <intelikey> yeah
[10:12] <intelikey> doesn't do anything here.
[10:12] <stdin> shows this for me "Codename:       feisty"
[10:12] <intelikey> bash: lsb_release: command not found
[10:12] <intelikey> :)
[10:13] <munky08> Codename : dapper
[10:13] <munky08> great
[10:13] <stdin> jordo23: I don't use superkaramba or aero, so I don't know, you can try killing it and starting it again maybe
[10:13] <intelikey> yeah i'm running 6.6 too
[10:13] <jordo23> stdin: tried five times :)
[10:13] <stdin> 6.6? what release it that?
[10:14] <munky08> is it better to have edgy
[10:14] <munky08> ?
[10:14] <intelikey> stdin dapper
[10:14] <intelikey> you know that.
[10:14] <stdin> jordo23: how about logging out and back in ?
[10:14] <stdin> intelikey: no, dapper is 6.06 not 6.6
[10:14] <stdin> :P
[10:15] <ubuntu> Anyone know how to troubleshoot boot failures?
[10:15] <intelikey> year=6 month=6    same as   year=6 month=06   or    year=06 month=06     so yes they are the same thing
[10:15] <jordo23> stdin: Will try...
[10:15] <munky08> anybody knows how to enable root?
[10:16] <stdin> !sudo | munky08
[10:16] <ubotu> munky08: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:16] <intelikey> munky08 yes.    sudo passwd
[10:16] <intelikey> but do read the link  ^
[10:16] <munky08> i mean to log in as root
[10:16] <VSpike> I'm really not liking akregator... anyone have any recommendations for a good feed reader for KDE?
[10:16] <stdin> still don't get why you *need* to log in as root
[10:16] <munky08> to have a home  folder for root
[10:17] <|Osiris> does anyone recognise the error: Target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init
[10:17] <|Osiris> Busybox
[10:17] <|Osiris> /bin/sh: cant access tty
[10:17] <intelikey> munky08 yes.      and if all you want is a root shell    sudo -i
[10:18] <munky08> i just want to be the superuser
[10:18] <munky08> root
[10:18] <nidal> hi all , could someone please tell me how do I add my proxy settings to adept ?
[10:18] <intelikey> munky08 yes if you want is a root shell    sudo -i
[10:18] <stdin> VSpike: search for "aggregator" in adept
[10:19] <stdin> nidal: set it up in System Settings -> Network -> Proxy and adept will use it
[10:21] <nidal> stdin, infact its setup already , but seems to be not taking it
[10:21] <nidal> let me check again ; thanx anyway
[10:22] <stdin> there is no way, that I know of, to set a proxy in Adept directly
[10:23] <kubuntu> Can anyone help me? Kubuntu fails on boot, and i don't know how to get around it.
[10:23] <stdin> what happens, do you get any errors?
[10:23] <intelikey> "Kubuntu fails on boot" of course
[10:24] <kubuntu> It halts the system on boot failure.
[10:24] <stdin> so you see nothing at all?
[10:25] <kubuntu> On start up, it takes a while, then some text come up, something about Intel, then something about my MAC address, then it says it failed to boot.
[10:25] <stdin> so it dose start booting then
[10:25] <stdin> ??
[10:26] <paolo> Hi. How can I if is there an active process called "myprocess"?
[10:26] <kubuntu> After i installed it, i restarted, then nothing but a blank screen shows up, and then a little blinking underscore shows up. Then after a while, it starts doing something (the thing mentioned above)..
[10:26] <paolo> Hi. How can I know if is there an active process called "myprocess"?
[10:26] <paolo> (command line)
[10:26] <stdin> paolo: ps aux|grep myprocess
[10:27] <paolo> stdin: thnks
[10:30] <intelikey> paolo pidof myprocess
[10:30] <stdin> kubuntu: try reinstalling grub maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:30] <kubuntu> K, i'll try it.
[10:30] <paolo> intelikey: thnks, your solution do works better
[10:30] <intelikey> kubuntu pidof will return blank if the process does not exist and exit code is 1+   if the process exists the process id is printed and the exit code is 0
[10:30] <stdin> man pidof for more :)
[10:30] <intelikey> yeah that.
[10:31] <paolo> intelikey: another little question. which is the correct syntax for: if pid myprocess exists then execute anotherprocess?
[10:31] <stdin> paolo: pid myprocess && anotherprocess
[10:31] <intelikey> pidof myprocess && anotherprocess
[10:31] <nino> umm help on win32 codecs please.
[10:31] <stdin> intelikey: beat ya :P
[10:31] <intelikey> stdin pid is only a command on my system
[10:31] <binks> !win32
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <binks> !codecs
[10:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:32] <stdin> intelikey: damn, 2 letters out
[10:32] <intelikey> :)
[10:32] <paolo> intelikey: thnks it works
[10:32] <nino> !mp3
[10:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:33] <paolo> intelikey: and what about: if pid myprocess DOESN't exist then execute anotherprocess?
[10:33] <intelikey> i actually have a command   pid   script that does ps -A x   and gives a total number of the running proccesses
[10:33] <paolo> stdin: thnks:)
[10:35] <stdin> paolo: pidof myprocess || anotherprocess
[10:35] <paolo> stdin: thnks again
[10:35] <intelikey> pidof myprocess && anotherprocess || anotherprocess
[10:35] <intelikey> stdin you missed again.
[10:35] <intelikey> :)
[10:35] <stdin> intelikey: that would run 'anotherprocess' either way :P
[10:35] <intelikey> i didn't distiguish but yes  and that was the question       i think
[10:35] <VSpike> Just formatting a partition, and was wondering - I can remember before ext3 when reiserfs was the thing to have... are there any reasons to use xfs or jfs or reiser over ext3 now?
[10:35] <jordo23> stdin: Sorry for the delay on that.....when I unzip a .tar.gz archive it always opens a window in the center of the screen stating the extraction operation failed, then in the same window lists the files in a box with a slider to view them....kind of general..
[10:35] <intelikey> pidof /bin/sh && echo yes || echo no
[10:36] <stdin> intelikey: than wouldn't 'pidof myporcess ; anotherprocess' be better?
[10:36] <astan> hm. after i upgraded some packages yesterday the auto-brightness thingie (light sensor) started working, so the TFT on my laptop changes its brightness every now and then.. anyone know how i can turn it off? (at least when the AC is plugged in).
[10:36] <intelikey> stdin not if the two other processes were different
[10:37] <paolo> see ya later
[10:37] <paolo> :)
[10:37] <intelikey> paolo
[10:38] <intelikey> paolo there is a really good place for bash scripting help.   #bash   but expect them to answer very short answers
[10:38] <binks> can i just say watchin you two argue is teaching me so much stuff about linux its great thanks
[10:38] <stdin> jordo23: strange, I haven't seen that before
[10:38] <astan> it's really annoying because i'm sitting in a pretty dark room, and every time i lean a bit forward i cover up the light sensor a bit and the brightness increases.
[10:38] <intelikey> binks no.
[10:38] <intelikey> binks never say that.
[10:38] <intelikey> :)
[10:38] <jordo23> stdin: Yeah....doesnt happen with file roller......just ark
[10:38] <binks> :)
[10:39] <stdin> jordo23: I would say to ask in #kde , but you already did :P
[10:40] <jakykong_> hi! does anyone know any reasons why "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdimg" might create a read error while kaffiene can play this CD just fine?
[10:40] <binks> astan some electrical tape over the sensor is a cheap workaround
[10:40] <binks> :)
[10:40] <astan> binks: heh. but that would make it believe it was completely dark, and set it to the lowest brightness ;)
[10:41] <astan> i want the highest brightness when AC is plugged in.
[10:41] <intelikey> for Q in $(pidof /bin/sh) ;kill -9 $Q ;done   <<<< long hand for    killall -9 /bin/sh
[10:41] <astan> mount a damn flashlight on the thing? ;)
[10:41] <jordo23> stdin: yep....can't really complain about the error....it still seems to extract the files correctly....just kind of annoying....
[10:41] <binks> lol yeah
[10:41] <jordo23> stdin: You know the default system error glass break sound?
[10:41] <stdin> jordo23: yeah
[10:41] <astan> if i could just set it
[10:41] <astan> s sensitivity.
[10:42] <jordo23> stdin: Sometimes I will be sleeping.....often after watching a movie....that noise will scare the shit out of me...
[10:42] <astan> that would be good too, so that it's not as sensitive to small light changes.
[10:42] <pixelpunk> Browsing through a LiveCD, where would i find the files from a previous installation?
[10:42] <intelikey> jakykong permissions/ownership
[10:42] <stdin> jordo23: haha, you can change it to something less scary
[10:42] <jordo23> stdin: like if my broadband goes offline and liquid weather malf's.....the sound plays....
[10:42] <jordo23> stdin: usually when I am sleeping too....
[10:43] <jordo23> lol
[10:43] <stdin> jordo23: or just mute the sound when you're away from the computer
[10:43] <stdin> pixelpunk: on the partition you installed to
[10:45] <jordo23> stdin: lol....I know what to do to stop it....just kind of funny....I have sprung to my feet before...
[10:45] <jordo23> stdin: I have good speakers :)
[10:45] <astan> binks: aah. dead easy. just adjusting the brightness with Fn+F4/F5 put the auto-sensing out of play.
[10:46] <astan> it would be nice if it adapted to AC plug in/out though.
[10:46] <binks> astan where did you find that info
[10:46] <stdin> jordo23: I normally use headphones anyway, so I don't hear anything in another room
[10:46] <astan> binks: hm. nowhere. i just pushed it.. Fn+F4/F5 is brightness adjustment on my laptop..
[10:47] <astan> and the auto-sensing stopped..
[10:47] <intelikey> jordo23 you can have the screensaver run a script    make the script turn error sounds off.
[10:47] <binks> strange but glad it worked for you
[10:48] <binks> has anyone a good link to a tutorial on how create a pyqt frontend for a c/l app
[10:48] <binks> i just installed pyqt4 and designer and want to play
[10:48] <astan> don't think there's a tutorial for such a specific thing..
[10:49] <astan> there's a pyqt book in the works though ;)
[10:49] <binks> or a getting to no desiner
[10:49] <binks> yeh says fall 2007
[10:49] <astan> TT has pretty good documentation on designer i think..
[10:49] <binks> ?TT
[10:49] <astan> trolltech.
[10:50] <binks> arr
[10:50] <astan> i mean the official docs are kind of tutorialish.
[10:50] <binks> ill take a look once i get the feel for wjhats goin on ill be ok
[10:51] <jordo23> intelikey: once again....I know how to get rid of the sound......It's just a funny story...  :)
[10:52] <intelikey> jordo23 just shooting ideas for automated fixes
[10:52] <binks> http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~afedosov/qttut/  ,,that should do
[10:53] <jordo23> intelikey: No problem.....
[10:53] <jordo23> intelikey: Thanks though...
[10:54] <nagyv> hello! it is great that edgy has recognized the quick-buttons on my laptop, but how can I reconfigure them? (especially, because it did not recognized all of them)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> nagyv: are you trying through amarok?
[10:56] <stdin> nagyv: I have the perfect thing for that, let me just find the name
[10:56] <nagyv> Hobbsee: I even do not have to open amarok. I have play, stop, forward, backward buttons. If amarok is running I can start playing it even if the amarok window is minimized to the system tray.
[10:57] <nagyv> Hobbsee: the problem is that I have other buttons (browser, volume, etc) which do not work
[10:57] <stdin> nagyv: KeyTouch could be just what you want
[10:57] <nagyv> stdin: this is what ubuntu uses or is it something else?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> nagyv: just go into amarok, settings...
[10:58] <Hobbsee> global shortcuts
[10:58] <Hobbsee> then set them in there
[10:58] <stdin> nagyv: you can install it in Adept
[10:58] <intelikey> !KeyTouch
[10:58] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[10:58] <stdin> !info keytouch
[10:58] <ubotu> keytouch: A program to configure the extra function keys of the keyboard. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 412 kB, installed size 1824 kB
[10:58] <jordo23> stdin: I finally got my 64 bit flash working with Konq yesterday.....took six hours...
[10:59] <stdin> jordo23: what did you have to do? (just in case anyone else asks me how to do it)
[10:59] <intelikey> !keytouch-editor
[10:59] <ubotu> keytouch-editor: keyTouch editor 2. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.1.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 64 kB, installed size 132 kB
[11:00] <jordo23> stdin: chroot it and a whole bunch of troubleshooting......un_Operateur from # ubuntu helped me through it....took a LONG time...
[11:00] <stdin> intelikey: I had to use that, my keyboard model wasn't on its list
[11:00] <jordo23> stdin: Still buggy too.....but for the most part flash 9 works....
[11:00] <nagyv> In amarok I have a global shortcut button like XF86AudioPause
[11:00] <nagyv> I would like to get a list of all the XF86 buttons recognized on my laptop
[11:02] <stdin> jordo23: ahh, chroot, not the easyest thing in the world :P
[11:02] <intelikey> chroot is not hard
[11:02] <nagyv> these were recognized without any actions on my side (except installing edgy in playe of dapper)
[11:02] <stdin> intelikey: didn't say it was hard
[11:02] <stdin> intelikey: just not the easyest thing in the world
[11:02] <nagyv> and it seems that I can not add such a global shortcut, just delete them
[11:02] <K9> Id like to connect to internet using a graphical interface instead having to type pon dsl-provider or poff. Could someone help me?
[11:04] <intelikey> kppp do that ?
[11:04] <nagyv> \me is sure that installing edgy on an ASUS A2500D is one of the easiest things. It takes only 28 minutes, and works pretty well.
[11:04] <binks> anyone no where i create a new slot in pyqt4 designer
[11:04] <K9> ummm... I have a dsl connection
[11:04] <chuen> stdin: Can you remind me of how to add a debian package in dept manager?
[11:05] <K9> Are you you shure kppp handles dsl conections ? intelikey
[11:05] <stdin> chuen: what do you mean? add another repository?
[11:05] <intelikey> k8 no i was asking
[11:06] <K9> no, because it asks for a dial number
[11:06] <chuen> stdin: Yes.
[11:06] <K9> My connection only asks for user and password
[11:06] <chuen> stdin: linmtp has a 'bug free' version which I need to upgrade to which is not upgradable directly but is availbale from debian.
[11:06] <chuen> stdin: libmtp
[11:06] <intelikey> knetworkmanager
[11:06] <intelikey> k8 ^
[11:07] <stefan_> hey
[11:07] <K9> tnks intelikey :)
[11:07] <goodthing> the new macbooks with core 2 duo cpu's, do they
[11:07] <goodthing> oops
[11:07] <stdin> chuen: as i recall, View -> Manage Repositories, then in there, type it in the "New Repository" line, and click add
[11:08] <goodthing> the new macbooks with core 2 duo cpu's, do they need to get installed with the powerpc iso too?
[11:08] <stefan_> got a question: where can i find update-sources like w32codecs and so on?
[11:08] <intelikey> !mp3
[11:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:08] <chuen> stdin: Just ytype the name of the .deb file?
[11:09] <stdin> chuen: no, I asked if you wanted to add a repository
[11:09] <stefan_> thx
[11:09] <stdin> chuen: if it's just a deb file, you don't use adept :P
[11:09] <chuen> stdin: Oh, that' not a repository, is it! :) Sorry.
[11:09] <stdin> !deb
[11:09] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[11:10] <stdin> there you go chuen  ^^^
[11:10] <chuen> stdin: *blushes* thx!
[11:10] <lenscape> !exactimage
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exactimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <stdin> no problem :)
[11:10] <lenscape> !uselessbot
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uselessbot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <intelikey> !me
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <binks> anyone no where i create a new slot in pyqt4 designer
[11:13] <intelikey> know
[11:13] <stdin> no
[11:14] <intelikey> fraudian ?
[11:14] <stdin> could be
[11:18] <stdin> goodthing: try asking in #ubuntu-ppc ?
[11:19] <sYnie> is there still no possibility to get wlan cards with a hermes2 chipset work?
[11:21] <stdin> never heard of a hermes2 chipset, have you looked on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs ?
[11:22] <sYnie> i did
[11:24] <guschti> kirgistan
[11:26] <goodthing> stdin: good idea, thanks :)
[11:27] <stdin> :)
[11:34] <jpiccolo> how do i install a deb file
[11:35] <stdin> !deb | jpiccolo
[11:35] <ubotu> jpiccolo: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[11:41] <jpiccolo> when i do that a window just flashes
[11:41] <jpiccolo> doesnt do anything
[11:41] <cox377> is there a way to so remote profiling from a server linux to linux in the same way as on windows?
[11:41] <stdin> jpiccolo: open Konsole (Kmenu -> System -> Konsole), then use "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/filename.deb" (where /path/to/filename.deb is the location and name of the deb file)
[11:41] <jpiccolo> ok thank stdin
[11:41] <stdin> no problem :)
[11:48] <chuen> stdin: Can you teel me what the '%' indicates here: %./hotplug.sh  ? Thx
[11:48] <stdin> chuen: where's that from?
[11:48] <chuen> stdin: libmtp (Been reading INSTALL)
[11:51] <stdin> chuen: it probably means the shell prompt
[11:53] <chuen> stdin: Thanks.
[11:53] <aakarsh> are ther any bots in this room
[11:54] <stdin> chuen: no problem, the person who wrote the INSTALL file was probably using csh :P
[11:56] <chuen> stdin: csh?
[11:56] <stdin> heh, thought you'd ask
[11:56] <stdin> !csh
[11:56] <ubotu> csh: Shell with C-like syntax, standard login shell on BSD systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060413-1 (edgy), package size 235 kB, installed size 384 kB
[11:56] <stdin> it's like bach (in that it's a shell)
[11:56] <stdin> *bash
[11:59] <chuen> stdin: Thanks for enlightening me :)
[11:59] <stdin> :)
[12:00] <chuen> stdin: Would you mind having a quick look here :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1288/
[12:00] <chuen> stdin: I don't have the 'hotplug present in /etc/
[12:01] <chuen> stdin (this is from the libmtp INSTALL)
[12:01] <stdin> chuen: so you don't have "/etc/hotplug/" ?
[12:01] <chuen> stdin: Not sure where to locate it - or even if it has installed.
[12:02] <chuen> stdin: No
[12:02] <chuen> stddin: sorry, yes.
[12:02] <chuen> :(
[12:02] <stdin> chuen: I wouldn't worry about it, ubuntu has hotplug anyway
[12:03] <chuen> stdn: I meant here: init.d/hotplug I don't have the script there.
[12:03] <chuen> stdin is hotplug activated by default then?
[12:04] <stdin> chuen: yeah, it'd on by default, I think it's built in to the kernel now
[12:05] <stdin> or in udev, or both :P I need to read up on it, but it's enabled by default anyway
[12:05] <chuen> stdin: Ah, OK. I'll have to do some more investigating (or give up and trade my son's Creatve Zen for an iPod) :)
[12:06] <stdin> I hear Creative Zen don't have great support for linux
[12:06] <stdin> not that iPod do either, but there is better support for iPod
[12:07] <apokryphos> iPod themselves don't give any support for Linux
[12:08] <apokryphos> it's just that it's more popular, and hence more efforts have been thrown into getting it to work
[12:08] <stdin> yeah, I meant there is better linux support for iPod
[12:08] <stdin> not other way round
[12:10] <marlus> ai
[12:17] <graniti>  Hi. I use a program which listens to different keyboard shortcuts. I have to make that this program doesn't listen to "Ctrl-Alt-Esc". is it possibile?
[12:20] <stdin> well, it would be helpful if you told us what the program is ?
[12:32] <vyoman> no IPod linux support from Apple - it is a shame if not a crime that Apple makes use of so much FOSS and returns so lttle
[12:33] <stdin> Apple = the forbidden fruit, so don't use it
[12:34] <intelikey> no it's not.      don't use mac but apple !=
[12:35] <stdin> just ignore me anyway, I have an iPod
[12:35] <stdin> tho I use rockbox on it
[12:35] <intelikey> heh
[12:35] <stdin> I removed the apple firmware
[12:35] <intelikey> :)
[12:36] <stdin> plus rockbox lets me play frozen bubble on my iPod :D
[12:37] <rockwell> what do i do if i get a pxe-e53 error on boot up?
[12:37] <stdin> intelikey: in bash?
[12:38] <intelikey> yeah
[12:38] <stdin> yeah, I have it
[12:38] <intelikey> it's a script
[12:38] <intelikey> you do ?
[12:38] <intelikey> what does it do ?
[12:38] <stdin> intelikey: on my system it's an ELF, it just tells you your username
[12:39] <intelikey> stdin that's whoami.....
[12:39] <intelikey> reread ^
[12:39] <intelikey> rockwell does that hang the system or does it continue to boot ?
[12:40] <stdin> ahh, whatami :P
[12:40] <stdin> nope
[12:40] <intelikey> command=BitchX pid=1611
[12:40] <rockwell> The system halts.
[12:41] <intelikey> rockwell what did it say just before that error ?
[12:41] <intelikey> i'm trying to place where that would be happening
[12:41] <rockwell> Something about Intel pxe-2.0 (build 083)
[12:42] <intelikey> rockwell idk...
[12:47] <dromer> hi
[12:47] <dromer> how can I open a new ftp-account for a friend?
[01:25] <Wombatundergroun> is anyone on?
[01:26] <stdin> um, yeah
[01:26] <Wombatundergroun> I need some help with navigating to folders from the console. can you help me please?
[01:26] <stdin> use the 'cd' command
[01:27] <stdin> eg: "cd Desktop" or "cd /home/user"
[01:27] <Wombatundergroun> how it it used? "cd home/folder"?
[01:27] <Wombatundergroun> ok, I think I tried that I'll go and try again.
[01:27] <stdin> cd /place/you/want/to/go
[01:27] <stdin> use "ls" to see what's in the directory
[01:28] <Wombatundergroun> ahh, I think I missed the first / :D
[01:28] <Wombatundergroun> l for Larry?
[01:28] <stdin> yep
[01:29] <stdin> ls = list, cd = change directory :)
[01:29] <intelikey> rm = remove
[01:29] <stdin> cp = copy
[01:29] <intelikey> rm = remove  (delete in M$)
[01:30] <stdin> mv = move
[01:30] <intelikey> df = disk free
[01:30] <intelikey> du = disk usage
[01:31] <stdin> use "man command" to get the manual (where "command" is the command you want info on)
[01:32] <intelikey> man man
[01:32] <stdin> heh, yeah that too
[01:32] <intelikey> info info
[01:32] <intelikey> help help
[01:32] <intelikey> :)
[01:33] <stdin> for some light reading try "man bash" :)
[01:33] <intelikey> light reading   :)
[01:33] <stdin> only ~5000 lines
[01:34] <intelikey> less = opposite of more     :)
[01:34] <stdin> I've read the whole of man bash once, I was trying to find how to do something (can't remember what now), and I didn't know how to search then :P
[01:35] <Wombatundergroun> thanks, it did what it was supposed to but not what i wanted :D
[01:35] <intelikey> cat - concatenate files and print on the standard output
[01:35] <stdin> tac = cat, but reverses it :)
[01:35] <intelikey> yep
[01:35] <intelikey> tic tac toe
[01:36] <intelikey> stdin should have did   man less   first :)
[01:36] <intelikey> done
[01:36] <stdin> yep, but that was back in the day :)
[01:36] <intelikey> yestergo
[01:37] <stdin> back in the way back when
[01:37] <intelikey> my daughter coined that word at age 1   yestergo = some time before now.
[01:38] <intelikey> 1.5 maybe more like it.
[01:39] <intelikey> yeah it's been part of my vocab for 17 years now.
[01:39] <stdin> funny, spellcheck doesn't complain that yestergo isn't a word :P
[01:39] <intelikey> :)
[01:40] <intelikey> but it is    that what i just said.
[01:40] <intelikey> lol
[01:40] <stdin> if spellscheck says it's a word, then it's a word
[01:41] <intelikey> reminds me,  someone told me yestergo that uncompressed wasn't a word.    someone in here.   heh :)
[01:41] <intelikey> collage kids    lol
[01:42] <stdin> spellcheck likes it :)
[01:42] <stdin> "undecompressed", however, isn't a word
[01:43] <intelikey> it is too
[01:43] <intelikey> it's not a number
[01:43] <intelikey> it has a meaning
[01:43] <intelikey> we pronounce it.  and understand what it means
[01:44] <stdin> ok, it's not a recognised word, where "recognised" means it's in my spellcheck dictionary :P
[01:45] <stdin> how about unundecompressed, is that a word ?
[01:45] <stdin> or "deundecompressed" ?
[01:45] <Jucato> :O
[01:45] <intelikey> the fact that there is not a dictionary listing for every word that begins with un- doesn't mean much   look up un in the dictionary and you'll quickly see why.  the dictionary would be almost twice as big if there was.
[01:46] <Jucato> unintelikely...
[01:46] <intelikey> very good Jucato
[01:46] <Jucato> :)
[01:46] <intelikey> and i am unjucato
[01:46] <intelikey> :)
[01:47] <Jucato> hehe
[01:49] <intelikey> it's like mal- or mis-  one of the two can be added to almost any verb  and some non-verbs
[01:50] <stdin> well that's supercalifragalisticexpialidotious
[01:50] <intelikey> and any state or action   can also be  un- state or actioned.
[01:50] <intelikey> only if you're mary poppins  :)
[01:51] <stdin> how do you know I'm now? :P
[01:51] <intelikey> are you now.   or unnow ?>
[01:52] <stdin> ever been to Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu ?
[01:53] <stdin> (it's a hill in New Zealand)
[01:54] <stdin> anyway, that's a but too -offtopic :P
[01:54] <sYnie> as an foreigner, it's funny to see you guys philosophyze about the existence of words ... ;D
[01:55] <Cagarro> I just downloaded new KDM themes but I dont know where to find them in order to apply them. Someone help me ? Thanks
[01:55] <stdin> no, we know words exist :P
[01:55] <Jucato> !changethemes | Cagarro
[01:55] <ubotu> Cagarro: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[01:56] <Jucato> Cagarro: look towards the section about KDM Themes
[01:56] <sYnie> lol :P
[01:56] <Cagarro> tank you
[01:58] <Jucato> now whether words have any metaphysical existence, that's the philosophical question :P
[01:59] <intelikey> is a word a thing ?
[02:00] <stdin> or is a word just an idea ?
[02:00] <Jucato> :P
[02:00] <Jucato> sYnie: see what you've done? you shouldn't have used the 'p' word :P
[02:00] <intelikey> philosophical   fee-los-o'-fical
[02:00] <intelikey> :)
[02:01] <sYnie> i would jump in ... but my english is just as bad to understand the half of what you are talking about ;D
[02:01] <vge> peoples heads are exploding, please talk about preg_expressions or other simple things
[02:02] <intelikey> for Q in `set | cut -d = -f1` ;do echo "$Q is set to ${!Q}" ;done
[02:02] <intelikey> there   have so bash  ^
[02:02] <stdin> heh
[02:03] <intelikey> for Q in `set | cut -d = -f1` ;do echo -e "$Q/t=/t${!Q}" ;done   <<<< pretter output.
[02:04] <intelikey> for Q in `set | cut -d = -f1` ;do echo -e "$Q\t=\t${!Q}" ;done   <<<< pretter output.
[02:05] <Cagarro> I wonder if there is a  way to change the graphical login ( i cant finf any option in KDM)KDM
[02:05] <Jucato> Cagarro: did you look in the guide I pointed you to?
[02:05] <stdin> intelikey: was going to see if you were going to notice that
[02:05] <Cagarro> nothing related with it
[02:06] <Jucato> Cagarro: there's a section there about KDM Themes
[02:06] <intelikey> Cagarro options are in set in /etc/kde*/kdm/*.conf
[02:06] <Cagarro> well, there is kdm but it doesnt explain how to change the visual
[02:06] <intelikey> oh stdin you didn't catch that....
[02:06] <intelikey> :)
[02:06] <Cagarro> the moldure
[02:06] <Jucato> ???
[02:07] <Jucato> it tells you to install the kdmtheme package, so that you will have a GUI way to add/remove/change KDM themes
[02:07] <stdin> intelikey: I was playing with bash, my attention was somewhere else :P
[02:07] <stdin> Cagarro: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu#head-4b3b5593ae454ea8991ad90ceb81f453a0e6ab82
[02:07] <Cagarro> tanks
[02:07] <Jucato> it also tells you that if you install the kdmtheme package, you'll only be able to reach it through KControl
[02:07] <Jucato> it also tells you that you need to be in Administrator mode to do these things
[02:08] <stdin> my kcontrol is broken :(
[02:08] <Jucato> it also tells you that as long as a KDM Theme is enabled, the appearance options in the Login Manager settings will not take effect
[02:08] <Cagarro> :) tanks jucato
[02:08] <Cagarro> :)
[02:09] <Cagarro> but... where is Kcontrol?
[02:09] <stdin> hmm, my kinfocenter is broken too :'(
[02:09] <Jucato> Cagarro: the guide also tells you how to find it...
[02:10] <Jucato> stdin: define "broken"?
[02:10] <Cagarro> ok. I'm kinda laisy today :-) tanks again
[02:10] <Jucato> apparently... :/
[02:11] <stdin> Jucato: broken, as in shows nothing when I open them. (well kcontrol only shows "peripherals")
[02:11] <intelikey> broken is the state of being 'unfixed'
[02:11] <stdin> Jucato: btw, I'm running feisty, so that could be part of it :P
[02:11] <Jucato> oh :)
[02:11] <Jucato> feisty == random breakage... you should know that by now :P
[02:12] <Jucato> when things go wrong on dev releases, #ubuntu+1 and #kubuntu-devel are the places to be
[02:12] <stdin> It's never worked in feisty tho
[02:12] <stdin> Jucato: I'm not too bothered by it, was just mentioning it
[02:12] <Cagarro> I really wish I could have all the artworks of kubuntu 6.06. It has a very nice visual. Much more appealing then the one from 6.10
[02:12] <intelikey> feisty = unconstant unfixedness
[02:13] <cloakable> :)
[02:13] <stdin> feisty = dynamic unworkingness
[02:14] <Jucato> Cagarro: you could. there's a way, but involves a bit more work than you're probably prepared to do
[02:14] <intelikey> dynamic ~= unlinear   ?
[02:14] <stdin> nonstaticly broken
[02:15] <Cagarro> ya... I need a little bit more expreience. But I know what you mean. getting access to the directories, replacing one for the other ...
[02:15] <intelikey> well i'm going to unconnect now.   i'll be back in the unpassed unpresent.
[02:15] <stdin> see you unsoon
[02:16] <intelikey> :)
[02:17] <Cagarro> could you prepare me a script ? eh eh :) It would be really easier
[02:19] <stdin> that reminds me, I need to finish a script I'm working on :)
[02:20] <Cagarro> <and I need to learn how to make a script. Is it bach , isnt it?
[02:21] <stdin> Cagarro: bash is one of the types of shell script, and probably the most common, but there are others
[02:22] <Cagarro> I just want a way integrate several tasks in just one module
[02:23] <stdin> all a bash script is (in basic terms) is a list of commands to run, one after the other
[02:23] <Cagarro> like in batch, ms-dos
[02:24] <stdin> shell scripts are the same as batch scripts, except you don't run them in DOS :P
[02:24] <Cagarro> I understand. It's another set of commands
[02:24] <stdin> Cagarro: good guide to bash scripts: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[02:25] <Cagarro> tanks stdin
[02:25] <stdin> it may be a bit advanced, but it's very useful as a reference too
[02:25] <Cagarro> Nothing like pratice and will, of course :) tanks again
[02:26] <stdin> just experiment with them, as long as you don't run them as root (sudo), you can't to much damage to the system
[02:26] <Cagarro> all right
[02:26] <Jucato> Cagarro: about getting Dapper artwork into Edgy. go to packages.ubuntu.com, download the package named "kubuntu-default-settings" (for Dapper), open it up in Ark, extract the data.tar.gz. open it up, then search for the artworks there
[02:27] <Cagarro> uao.. :) tanks very much jucato for your patience and atention
[02:27] <sYnie> stdin, nice link. a few days ago, i searched for a bulked tutorial, like this.
[02:28] <Jucato> tldp.org has a lot of good stuff, some for beginners
[02:28] <stdin> sYnie: I've been using it as a reference for a while, like if I forget how to do something, I have several parts bookmarked :P
[02:28] <sYnie> i'll notice it. thanks.
[02:30] <Cagarro> stdin, this is what I call a complete guide !
[02:31] <stdin> yeah, it starts quite basic, and gets quite advanced, you'll pick up a lot of tricks from there
[02:38] <Jucato> !changethemes | lotusleaf
[02:38] <ubotu> lotusleaf: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[02:39] <Cagarro> Jucato, there are soo many things in there. Whato to choose and where copy?
[02:39] <Jucato> Cagarro: depends on what you want... I don't have access to X/KDE right now, I can only make certain assumptions...
[02:40] <Cagarro> I really apreciate your help. I'll explore from here. tanls again
[02:40] <Jucato> Cagarro: but once you have decompressed the data.tar.gz package from kubuntu-default-settings, look for the kubuntu-default-settins folder in there, that should have most of the artwork, usually inside a directory called share/
[02:54] <katabatic> anybody very knowledgeable willing to help me? nobody can figure out my problem
[02:55] <mario> is there an italian kubuntu channel?
[02:55] <stdin> !it | mario
[02:55] <ubotu> mario: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:56] <sivaji> stdbin:how can i convert .tar.gz souce code file to executable program
[02:56] <stdin> katabatic: we don't know what the problem is, you need to tell us before we can help
[02:56] <stdin> sivaji: you need to compile it
[02:56] <sivaji> stdbin:how
[02:57] <katabatic> stdin
[02:57] <stdin> sivaji: stdin, not stdbin :P
[02:57] <katabatic> can you private message me
[02:57] <stdin> katabatic: if you have a support request, you should ask in here
[02:57] <stdin> sivaji: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[02:58] <Tontonq> fuckubuntu
[02:58] <Cagarro> I found kdm theme manager but, after i put my password and click the button it says loading ad infinitum
[02:58] <katabatic> the problem is the computer won't get an IP address from th router at boot via DHCP, I have to run a command like dhclient eth0 or something manually
[02:58] <stdin> !language | Tontonq
[02:58] <ubotu> Tontonq: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:58] <Tontonq> just a joke :p
[02:58] <Tontonq> we love kubuntu :D
[02:59] <katabatic> well I feel thatway, Tontonq :(
[02:59] <Tontonq> :p
[02:59] <katabatic> as I just installed this
[02:59] <katabatic> and already have a stupid, stupid, ass problem
[02:59] <stdin> katabatic: have you set the interface to use DHCP ?
[02:59] <katabatic> that nobody can help
[02:59] <stdin> katabatic: in System Settings?
[02:59] <katabatic> yes
[02:59] <katabatic> it worked before on fresh install, then I broke it somehow
[03:00] <stdin> katabatic: but "dhclient eth0" works ?
[03:00] <katabatic> I think so
[03:01] <katabatic> or by going to the network settings, deactivating and activating eth0 works too
[03:01] <AndyBe> katabatic:  look into the system settings. The networkcard under VMware was disabled after installation, works on live cd.
[03:03] <AndyBe> katabatic: and don't forget to aktive for each boot! that was my problem why i configurue always the networkcard to dhcp.
[03:03] <stdin> katabatic: a couple questions, what type of network is it? (wired or wireless) and, is it vmware, or installed on a real pc?
[03:03] <Cagarro> i dont undrstand... How to have complete privileges without having to type everytime the password. just this session ...
[03:03] <katabatic> vmware?
[03:03] <katabatic> wired
[03:03] <katabatic> installed
[03:03] <katabatic> worked fine on fresh install
[03:03] <stdin> Cagarro: use "sudo -i" to get a root shell
[03:04] <katabatic> then I broke it somehow
[03:04] <AndyBe> katabatic: It was like that. katabatic 6.10 ?
[03:04] <Cagarro> will it work in graphical apps?
[03:04] <stdin> katabatic: can you post /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin
[03:04] <stdin> !pastebin
[03:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:04] <stdin> Cagarro: no, you want konqueror as root?
[03:04] <Cagarro> yes. just this time
[03:05] <stdin> Cagarro:  press Alt-F2, then enter: kdesu konqueror
[03:05] <Cagarro> tnks
[03:05] <stdin> no problem, just be careful :)
[03:06] <karmikaze> anyone here familiar with the kde login problem where it asks you to check if dcopserver is running??
[03:06] <karmikaze> i am unable to login to eithe rkde or gnome
[03:07] <apokryphos> did you launch applications with sudo?
[03:07] <apokryphos> you can muck up your dcop sockets if you do so; quite dangerous.
[03:07] <katabatic> http://www.pastebin.ca/314143
[03:07] <apokryphos> huh
[03:07] <karmikaze> :/
[03:08] <karmikaze> i remember someone from suse telling me to wipe out the .ICEauthority files or something like that
[03:08] <stdin> katabatic: how many interfaces do you have?
[03:08] <karmikaze> i dont have sudo access on this machine
[03:08] <katabatic> 2, I need eth0
[03:08] <apokryphos> karmikaze: well, not if you mucked up your dcop sockets
[03:08] <karmikaze> but im sure its something in my local account that is stopping me from logging in cos other users can ge tin
[03:08] <apokryphos> though that was me ;-)
[03:08] <AndyBe> katabatic:  eth0 in the last line move up where it belongs.
[03:08] <apokryphos> ubotu: kdesu | karmikaze
[03:08] <ubotu> karmikaze: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:09] <stdin> katabatic: did you remove the "#" symbols from the file, you should have some in there ?
[03:09] <karmikaze> i didnt use sudo for anything
[03:09] <apokryphos> it sounds like you did
[03:09] <karmikaze> i dont run anything on this machine its university lab machine
[03:09] <karmikaze> i only browse online an duse irc
[03:09] <karmikaze> oh well i'll talk to suse people again they fixed it before
[03:09] <apokryphos> can you pastebin the full dcop output error?
[03:09] <apokryphos> karmikaze: the suse people was... me
[03:10] <apokryphos> IIRC, anyhow
[03:10] <karmikaze> could not read network connection list from some file, check if dcopserver is running
[03:10] <katabatic> none there
[03:10] <katabatic> stdin I'll be back
[03:11] <mario> how can i add ubuntu-it in my channel list?
[03:11] <karmikaze> prompting me to look at some .DCOPxxxxxxx file in my home dir, but its not there
[03:11] <Jucato> mario: autojoin channel list? press F2 -> Edit, then at the bottom there's a place for adding channels
[03:12] <apokryphos> karmikaze: rm -rf ~/.DCOP*
[03:12] <Cagarro> I'm happier now. Things are just working the way I want :)
[03:12] <karmikaze> i havent got any .DCOP* files :/
[03:12] <apokryphos> karmikaze: rm your ~/.*authority
[03:12] <karmikaze> ok
[03:12] <mario> and then?what is the channel name?
[03:13] <stdin> mario: also make sure the channel starts with a "#" or it won't work: eg "#kubuntu-it"
[03:13] <apokryphos> mario: channel name is #ubuntu-it
[03:13] <Jucato> !it | mario
[03:13] <ubotu> mario: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:13] <karmikaze> ive got two lots of abm2      2705     1  0 14:04 ?        00:00:00 dcopserver --nosid
[03:13] <karmikaze> abm2      2713     1  0 14:04 ?        00:00:00 dcopserver --nosid --suicide
[03:14] <karmikaze> is that going to be problematic?
[03:14] <olimpico> I bought a TP-Link Wireless card, i read in internet it was automatically recognized by Ubuntu, but I had ubuntu already installed, How do i make KUbuntu to recognize my new Wireless card??? When I type lspci, it's there, but how do I configure it?
[03:14] <karmikaze> ive removed all the auth files
[03:14] <apokryphos> karmikaze: issue sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:14] <apokryphos> karmikaze: then start it again
[03:14] <karmikaze> think i'll have to reboot i dont have sudo access on this machine
[03:14] <karmikaze> brb
[03:15] <mario> but when i add they ask me the password
[03:15] <AndyBe> karmikaze: that's nice
[03:15] <karmikaze> ?
[03:15] <AndyBe> reboot
[03:15] <AndyBe> katabatic:  and now?
[03:15] <stdin> mario: leave the password part blank
[03:15] <olimpico> Please someone help me, just give me a hint!
[03:16] <katabatic> nothing
[03:16] <AndyBe> it did't work ?
[03:16] <katabatic> I changed the interfaces according to somebody, still nothing
[03:16] <apokryphos> ubotu: wireless
[03:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:16] <katabatic> so it's not the interfaces file
[03:16] <katabatic> probably
[03:16] <AndyBe> hm
[03:17] <katabatic> but running the command dhclient eth0 makes it work until I reboot again. maybe some service isn't running??
[03:18] <karmikaze> nope  same error
[03:18] <karmikaze> and when i try starting gnome, it wont get past trying to load metacity
[03:18] <stdin> katabatic: you have 2 interfaces, eth0 and eth1 ?
[03:20] <stdin> katabatic ?
[03:22] <katabatic> yes
[03:22] <katabatic> I tried running ifup -a  or something according to somebody
[03:22] <katabatic> http://www.pastebin.ca/314157 I get this
[03:22] <katabatic> I'm trying to get eth0 working
[03:22] <katabatic> it's not in there even
[03:23] <katabatic> in that message
[03:23] <katabatic> is that good or bad
[03:24] <stdin> katabatic: you need to change the /etc/network/interfaces file to this http://www.pastebin.ca/314158
[03:25] <stdin> katabatic: you can edit it by pressing Alt-F2 and in there typeing: kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[03:25] <katabatic> ok I got a different result after doing ifdown
[03:26] <scrav> ok to ask newbie questions here? or where should i go? :D
[03:26] <scrav> anyone experience a problem with sound on alaptop?
[03:26] <katabatic> http://www.pastebin.ca/314163
[03:26] <stdin> scrav: this channel is for ALL questions, newbie or not :P
[03:27] <scrav> stdin:  nice :D
[03:27] <Jucato> (all *kubuntu* support questions) :P
[03:27] <AndyBe_> katabatic: you got it i was short out?
[03:28] <stdin> katabatic: then it's working now, you got an IP address
[03:28] <stdin> scrav: back at you :P
[03:29] <scrav> hey
[03:29] <AndyBe_> katabatic:  system configuraiton in kde , you know that writes a clean new file.
[03:30] <scrav> i got a packar bell laptop. Realtek soundcard , no sound from speakers just very low sound from headphones
[03:30] <stdin> scrav: have you made sure the volume is turned up?
[03:31] <scrav> yeah
[03:31] <stdin> and in "alsamixer" too ?
[03:31] <scrav> ya, this is like a bug or something ive read about it
[03:31] <scrav> i did as the guides told me, install alsa package
[03:35] <katabatic> no it's not working
[03:35] <katabatic> AndyBe_ what system configuration in KDE?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> What is kopete parsing at startup?
[03:36] <AndyBe_> hm... "Systemeinstellungen" in german.
[03:38] <mildner_> hallo jemand online
[03:38] <AndyBe_> mildner_: make a joke.
[03:38] <gianlux89cs> by exam cisco You have the ansewer
[03:38] <gianlux89cs> ???
[03:38] <stdin> !it
[03:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:39] <mildner_> ich versuch mir die bersetzung in kopete einzuarbeiten, jemand ahnung?
[03:39] <stdin> !de
[03:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:42] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana
[03:43] <chuen> Hi . I upgraded to Edgy yesterday and I've since discovered that Skype is no longer working fully (only one-way audio). What might have changed with the upgrade? Mixer?
[03:46] <XVampireX> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2002754#post2002754
[03:49] <XVampireX> chuen: Only the other party can hear you or only you can hear them?
[03:51] <chuen> XVampireX: I used the 'Sype Test Call, recorded my message, but could not hear it played back to me.
[03:51] <chuen> One thing I've noticed since the upgrade is that my mic is unmuted on my headset plu
[03:52] <chuen> the sound balance (L/R) had altered.
[03:52] <XVampireX> go to mixer and make sure all settings are correct
[03:52] <chuen> That's why I asked about the Mixer.
[03:52] <XVampireX> You heard the woman tell you everything you need, right?
[03:52] <chuen> OK, I'm acyually winging it a bi there :) There are so many more options thatn in Widoxze .... :)
[03:53] <XVampireX> Make sure you have capture on capture
[03:53] <chuen> OK.
[03:53] <XVampireX> And you can at least hear yourself locally
[03:54] <chuen> XVampireX: It was on (slected) but the fader was down for some reason.
[03:54] <n0ne> !cedega
[03:54] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[03:54] <XVampireX> capture doesn't matter if it's max or min, it should just have capture on, it's the capture device setting :)
[03:54] <chuen> Oh, OK.
[03:54] <chuen> Let me test it again.
[03:55] <XVampireX> just make sure you hear yourself locally first, if you can, it's good if not, it's a problem with your microphone being unplugged or something like that :P
[03:55] <XVampireX> Me, I need help with that: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2002754#post2002754
[03:55] <chuen> XVamireX: Do I need to reboot?
[03:55] <XVampireX> No
[03:56] <chuen> OK. As I said, I can hear myself (through headset).
[03:56] <XVampireX> Good
[03:56] <chuen> So the mic must be plugged in :)
[03:56] <XVampireX> Make sure mic settings has capture on too, so it can use the capture device
[03:56] <chuen> k
[03:57] <n0ne> is there anyone using cedega?
[03:57] <XVampireX> n0ne: their channel #cedega
[03:57] <n0ne> oh thx alot
[03:57] <chuen> XVampireX: Voila! Thanks alot :)
[03:58] <rejis> can you help my friend connect to the net?
[03:58] <XVampireX> chuen: no problem
[03:58] <chuen> OK. ttyl.
[03:58] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[03:59] <XVampireX> bye chuen
[03:59] <n0ne> vampire, none asnwering on theyr channel, maybe u can help me?
[04:00] <rysiek|pl> anybody tried enabling 3d on a mobility radeon x700 on edgy? I am having some problems (namely, after generating a package from the ati installer and changing the driver in xorg.conf to fglrx - and rbooting - I get that DRI failed to initialise)
[04:00] <stdin> rysiek|pl: why didn't you use the package from ubuntu?
[04:01] <rysiek|pl> stdin: well... hmmm... I think I have tried it and got the same error, but I'll try it again, just in case
[04:02] <stdin> XVampireX: found this which may help you http://aznv.tv/wiki/index.php?Linux%2FFreeBSD%20How-to
[04:02] <XVampireX> stdin: I did it and it doesn't work
[04:03] <stdin> hmm, so you have the w32codecs ?
[04:03] <XVampireX> yes
[04:03] <XVampireX> I even got the most recent one
[04:04] <XVampireX> right from mplayer website and installed it in /usr/lib/codecs
[04:04] <stdin> XVampireX: can you give me a direct link to one that you're trying to play, so I can experiment a bit?
[04:04] <XVampireX> I tried it with all of them
[04:04] <XVampireX> They use the same thing
[04:04] <XVampireX> www.aznv.tv
[04:05] <stdin> a direct link?
[04:05] <XVampireX> You don't like registering?
[04:05] <XVampireX> Don't think it will let you
[04:05] <stdin> ugg, fine I'll register to yet another site :P
[04:06] <XVampireX> It's not a bad site
[04:06] <XVampireX> I watched quite a few movies there once upon a time, they were pretty good
[04:07] <fxr_> how do i find out what linux kernel version i am running?
[04:07] <stdin> fxr_: uname -r
[04:07] <XVampireX> n0ne: Patience is a virtue, don't use cedega though
[04:08] <XVampireX> I think wine is good enough for what I need and most of the time it does the job better than cedega
[04:08] <Yaccin> how can i get all the keys of my keyboard working?
[04:08] <XVampireX> Yaccin: Multimedia?
[04:08] <Yaccin> yes
[04:09] <Yaccin> and G1-G18
[04:09] <Yaccin> :)
[04:09] <XVampireX> It was on digg a while ago, how to get all multimedia keyboards working
[04:09] <Yaccin> i also need the G-keys for beryl :P
[04:10] <Yaccin> multimedia keys on the keyboards-laptop work
[04:10] <XVampireX> yes
[04:10] <Yaccin> but not the ones on my logitech G11
[04:10] <mario> italino
[04:11] <mario> italiano
[04:11] <mario> qualcuno parla in itiano?
[04:11] <mario> in italiano?
[04:11] <apokryphos> ubotu: it
[04:11] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:12] <XVampireX> Yaccin: I'll get you the link soon, searching for it now
[04:12] <sivaji> what this command will do "sudo auto-apt update"
[04:13] <rysiek|pl> stdin: m'kay, removed the ati-generated packages, aptitude installed fglrx-driver from the repos - same thing
[04:14] <XVampireX> sivaji: it updates the repository list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:14] <XVampireX> so whatever repositories you have there will get updated, basically, checks for newer versions of software
[04:15] <Yaccin> XVampireX: thx ^^
[04:16] <waylandbill> I used a deb-src to build gtkpod with mp4v2 support. Now adept says that gtkpod is upgradable. How do I get it to not say that until a new version really is available?
[04:16] <kjdis> While compiling something, "error: `gettid' has not been declared", I believe this a simple issue with kernel headers?  Anyone?
[04:16] <XVampireX> Yaccin: But I may not find it :-/
[04:16] <stdin> XVampireX: hmm, seems something has changed server side, all I get with the .nsv file is some HTML code
[04:17] <XVampireX> stdin: What do you mean?
[04:17] <XVampireX> What must have changed there? :P
[04:17] <stdin> XVampireX: you know in the m3u file there is a link, that you need to open in mplayer ?
[04:17] <XVampireX> Yaccin: http://www.elsbrock.com/cherry
[04:18] <stdin> XVampireX: all I get when I download that link is HTML code (web code)
[04:18] <waylandbill> kjdis: is the source file the error was in including <sys/types.h> and/or <linux/unistd.h> ?
[04:18] <XVampireX> stdin: Yes, that's why I opened it up as -playlist
[04:19] <XVampireX> I tried it by copy pasting the link, same thing, but then again, it's obvious
[04:19] <XVampireX> stdin: They don't allow downloading
[04:19] <stdin> XVampireX: they must now need you to use a cookie to get the stream
[04:19] <XVampireX> It's an error code in their website
[04:19] <XVampireX> I tried quite a few things
[04:19] <Yaccin> XVampireX: i dont have a cherry keyboard, i have a logitech G11 :P
[04:19] <stdin> XVampireX: doubt its an "error", more they have made it more "secure"
[04:19] <kjdis> waylandbill: yes, #include <linux/unistd.h>
[04:19] <XVampireX> Yaccin: What's your point? You do the same for your keyboard.
[04:20] <XVampireX> stdin: I can understand that but they claim that it works in Linux and some actually somehow got it working, no idea how... I'm talking about VLC, too.
[04:20] <kjdis> waylandbill: nd #include <unistd.h> too
[04:20] <Yaccin> XVampireX: but it should work without doing that!
[04:20] <Yaccin> it worked with the same keyboard on my desktop
[04:20] <XVampireX> Yaccin: Blame it on logitech
[04:21] <XVampireX> On your desktop = windows?
[04:21] <Yaccin> no
[04:21] <Yaccin> on my desktop pc with kubuntu
[04:21] <XVampireX> So what?
[04:21] <Yaccin> now im on my laptop
[04:21] <XVampireX> With kubuntu?
[04:21] <Yaccin> yes
[04:21] <XVampireX> And exactly same keyboard?
[04:21] <Yaccin> yes
[04:21] <XVampireX> Sounds like it doesn't detect your keyboard right
[04:21] <Yaccin> my desktop pc is broken
[04:21] <stdin> XVampireX: have you read the comments page for the instructions ?
[04:22] <Yaccin> so i plugged the keyboard and monitor etc into the laptop
[04:22] <XVampireX> stdin: I think so, yeah
[04:22] <kjdis> waylandbill: also, gettid is used in 2 ways in the source, _syscall0(pid_t, gettid) and  return gettid();
[04:23] <XVampireX> Yaccin: Maybe it detects the laptop builtin, instead.
[04:23] <stdin> XVampireX: post number 7 shows it not working, they are on dapper
[04:23] <Yaccin> XVampireX: but it worked on an earlier installation on the same laptop :P
[04:24] <XVampireX> stdin: They are talking about earlier versions of mplayer, too
[04:24] <Yaccin> hmm it works now o.O
[04:24] <Yaccin> buuut the G-keys arent
[04:24] <waylandbill> kjdis: I'm pretty sure the _syscall0 assigns an address for the gettid() call. I'm not sure why it's not finding it for you though.
[04:24] <Yaccin> and the software there would probably not work
[04:24] <Yaccin> but the are currently working as F1-F12 keys...
[04:24] <paolo> hi. how can I automatically start process1 when process2 is killed by an event?
[04:25] <XVampireX> stdin: I already had mplayer using faad2 codec to start with, and then again, that's related to audio
[04:25] <kjdis> waylandbill: yeah I don't get why this isn't working either, I built my own kernel, which I have done on other boxes with this same source and never had a problem
[04:25] <fxr_> is this the latest NDISWRAPPER supported adaptors list : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#K ??
[04:25] <stdin> XVampireX: all the site seems to be sending now is the text/html file. no video
[04:25] <kjdis> waylandbill: but maybe in this case I broke something, I did have to manually copy 2 files into /usr/include to get it this far
[04:26] <XVampireX> stdin: Yeah, security measure for sure
[04:26] <XVampireX> Gotta figure out what to do with it then
[04:26] <stdin> complain to the site
[04:26] <XVampireX> hmm, going to wear new coat, getting pretty cold here :P
[04:26] <XVampireX> I did, and they don't care about us, they also use a very non portable codec, too.
[04:26] <paolo>  i mean: i have process2 which is killed by pressing "Esc" key. I want that process1 starts automatically when this occours...
[04:27] <XVampireX> It's more of those lock-in procedurs that people do
[04:27] <stdin> paolo: what exit number is genorated on the exit ?
[04:27] <XVampireX> Yaccin: It may work, that doesn't matter, the problem there is that it doesn't detect your keyboard right, maybe conflicts with built in keyboard.
[04:28] <paolo> stdin: how can i see it?
[04:28] <Yaccin> XVampireX: now everything works, but only the G1-G18 keys arent
[04:28] <Dasnipa`> paolo, yes you would have to do with by knowing the exit number and writing a program using fork() and then based on the exit number you can launch another app
[04:28] <XVampireX> Yaccin: I understand that, what's hard to understand?
[04:29] <paolo> Dasnipa`: i wouldn't write a program... i would like to do it with a script
[04:29] <waylandbill> kjdis: rather than using CFLAGS to find those files?
[04:29] <stdin> paolo: start the process from konsole, and exit it with escape, then type "echo $?" that should show the exit number, make sure it's the 1st command you do after it exits
[04:30] <XVampireX> Your desktop pc doesn't have a built in so it detects your keyboard type just fine, get it?
[04:30] <Dasnipa`> paolo, i dont know that its easy to do with a script. it is easy to do with a program
[04:30] <Yaccin> XVampireX: also the G1-G18 keys "work" but they are configued as F1 - F12 keys, so when i try that on the website i will probably get the same codes as i would get for the F1 - F12 keys---
[04:30] <XVampireX> You should report it as bug to Xorg
[04:30] <paolo> ok wait a sect stdin
[04:30] <XVampireX> Yaccin: What did I just say?
[04:30] <frojnd> does edgy cd have option to manage partition! I don't wanna isntall linux, just to manage on the boot partition??
[04:31] <frojnd> or any other program that manage partitions and has options to be booted?
[04:31] <XVampireX> frojnd: No, you are left out in the cold without any way to install anything
[04:31] <stdin> frojnd: yeah, it's qtparted i think, it's in the Kmenu
[04:31] <paolo> stdin: it gives me '0'
[04:31] <fxr_> if a network adapter is supported in earlier revisions of the linux kernel &  ndiswrapper, does it follow that it will also be supported in later versions ?
[04:31] <XVampireX> frojnd: I'm just kidding, you have all the options to configure your partitions
[04:31] <kjdis> waylandbill: well I don't know much about compiling really, so I didn;t even think of using CFLAGS, but in any case for any other compiles I'd rather have the right files in /usr/include anyway
[04:31] <XVampireX> the installer is also using qtparted
[04:32] <stdin> paolo: then it exited with success, so you can just do "command2 && command1"
[04:32] <Dasnipa`> paolo, exit code 0 means success thats not very useful to you because youll get the same exit for normal exit and 'esc'
[04:32] <kjdis> waylandbill: I think my problem is probably easily fixed, I just have no idea why gettid doesn't work
[04:32] <frojnd> XVampireX: I don't wanna manage partitions on my linux mascine. I have problems with windows and I wanna manage partitions on boot so how can I get this prog?
[04:32] <paolo> stdin: I see but
[04:32] <fdoving> fxr_: no, it's not decided that it will be supported forever. the 2.4.x series support old stuff the 2.6.x series does no longer include support for.
[04:32] <waylandbill> kjdis: that's true, but you'll have issues at link time in that case I'd figure.
[04:32] <paolo> stdin: how can i start AUTOMATICALLY process2
[04:32] <paolo> when process1 has exit code=0 ?
[04:33] <kjdis> waylandbill: I was thinking maybe I should copy unistd.sh from  my new kernel into /usr/include/... as well
[04:33] <MalfermitaKodo> Hi
[04:33] <stdin> paolo: that command will do it (the && means "if the process exits with 0 then start process 2)
[04:34] <waylandbill> kjdis: probably a good idea since it may have changed... (or a symbolic link there)
[04:34] <stdin> paolo: you just need the "&&" between the commands
[04:34] <fxr_> ok thanks again, guys... : )
[04:34] <paolo> stdin: but which is the first command.... echo?
[04:34] <kjdis> waylandbill: yeah well a diff shows a huge section of code missing from one
[04:35] <MalfermitaKodo> Anyone has the IP of a public nameserver?
[04:35] <stdin> paolo: that just shows _you_ the exit code
[04:35] <MalfermitaKodo> my boyfriend's ISP is fscking up
[04:35] <fdoving> MalfermitaKodo: 4.2.2.1
[04:35] <paolo> stdin: I don't understand your tip
[04:35] <paolo> if process1 exits with "esc" key
[04:35] <MalfermitaKodo> fdoving: joke?
[04:36] <paolo> how can i start process2 automatically?
[04:36] <fdoving> MalfermitaKodo: try.
[04:36] <paolo> which is the command which listens when process1 exits?
[04:36] <MalfermitaKodo> I am in the middle of a Gentoo installation
[04:36] <XVampireX> frojnd: It's in kmenu
[04:36] <kjdis> waylandbill: I've done this many times, on Deb, Gentoo, and even Kubuntu like this but older version, I really have no idea why this happenned, is there something I should run to make all my headers get updated from the new kernel?
[04:37] <stdin> paolo: by running "process1 && process2" that will run process2 IF process1 exits with exit code 0
[04:37] <Dasnipa`> paolo, you want process 2 to start only one 'esc' or any clean exit?
[04:37] <kjdis> waylandbill: I created the header pkg when I compiled the kernel, thinking that installed them , but looks like all that does is put them into /usr/src/blahblah
[04:38] <paolo> Dasnipa`: yes
[04:38] <frojnd> XVampireX: in k meno yb wich section? and how do I burn it?
[04:38] <Dasnipa`> paolo, that wasnt a yes/no question. only on 'esc' being pressed. or any successful exit
[04:39] <paolo> Dasnipa`: sorry. only on esc pressed
[04:39] <paolo> :)
[04:39] <waylandbill> kjdis: I would think that the configure script would know to look for them there, but may be looking at the /usr/src/linux symbolic link.
[04:39] <Dasnipa`> see this is why stdin's method doesnt work
[04:39] <kjdis> waylandbill: well I tried the copy, still doesn't compile :)
[04:40] <XVampireX> frojnd: You don't burn it, it's there, you need linux for it
[04:40] <waylandbill> kjdis: what is it you're trying to compile, not that it necessarily matters?
[04:40] <kjdis> VDR
[04:40] <frojnd> XVampireX: u don't understand me :)
[04:40] <frojnd> XVampireX: I wanna program to be booted...
[04:40] <kjdis> waylandbill: I am trying to compile VDR, from working source I use for a few boxes
[04:41] <microbalrog> Hey people.
[04:41] <frojnd> couse I wanna insatll windows and something is wrong that disk cannot be  booted; I have to cehck if it's ACTIVE..
[04:41] <microbalrog> Does anybody know IP's for public nameservers? Please?
[04:41] <Dasnipa`> paolo, the best bet here would probably be to modify the source of process1 and add an escape code for the event of esc being pressed. but im not sure that theres a way to say 'start process 2 is process1 exits with code x' which is why i suggested a wrapper program using fork and exec
[04:41] <kjdis> waylandbill: this same source also was running on an older Kubuntu box until a few weeks ago when hardware problem made me do this fresh install with 6.10
[04:41] <MalfermitaKodo> hey microbalrog!
[04:41] <MalfermitaKodo> *greets*
[04:41] <paolo> Dasnipa`: i can't do it but
[04:42] <paolo> Dasnipa`: i guess that the simpler way is doing a small posix program which polls the status of the process named process1
[04:42] <XVampireX> stdin: What's the output that you get from mplayer?
[04:42] <waylandbill> kjdis: it's gotta be that it's not finding the right header I'd think. you could preprocess the source file to see what it's pulling in
[04:42] <Dasnipa`> paolo, that is possible but im still not sure how you are to determine the exit method since esc returns 0 which is 'normal' exit
[04:42] <MalfermitaKodo> and can someone help microbalrog to setup his net okayly?
[04:42] <sivaji> if i try to compile a program  MinGwStudio window get closed ple tell me what to do?
[04:43] <kjdis> waylandbill: How do I preprocess the file?
[04:43] <MalfermitaKodo> please!
[04:43] <kjdis> waylandbill: use gcc with some option?
[04:43] <paolo> Dasnipa`: i poll process1 every 0.1 seconds and if it is not longer active, i start process2
[04:43] <MalfermitaKodo> I'll send chocolate!
[04:43] <stdin> XVampireX: http://www.pastebin.ca/314233
[04:44] <MalfermitaKodo> I would help but forgot to emerge a browser
[04:44] <mario> #ubuntu-it
[04:44] <trappist> I always forget to emerge things on ubuntu
[04:44] <trappist> since, you know...
[04:45] <XVampireX> We get different outputs
[04:45] <MalfermitaKodo> trappist: I am on Gentoo, microbalrog is on Kubuntu
[04:45] <MalfermitaKodo> I'm just here to help wim with the techbabble
[04:45] <trappist> MalfermitaKodo: ok that makes sense :)
[04:45] <XVampireX> Kinda
[04:45] <waylandbill> kjdis: that I'll have to look up
[04:46] <kjdis> waylandbill: thanks for all the help, I am looking into it as well
[04:46] <MalfermitaKodo> trappist: his connection is fscked up, he can only connect to sites via the IP
[04:46] <XVampireX> How do you figure it's trying to send you an html page?
[04:46] <drusila> hey ppl
[04:47] <drusila> whats up?
[04:47] <waylandbill> kjdis: -save-temps will store the foo.i file in the current directory. you'll want to do single file mode
[04:47] <sivaji> if i try to compile a program  MinGwStudio window get closed ple tell me what to do?
[04:48] <kjdis> waylandbill: this might be difficult, I don't know much about this stuff
[04:49] <sivaji> is there any ide similar to ms visual studio in kde
[04:49] <silence_> hi all / hola
[04:49] <waylandbill> kjdis: oh. right. it may not help if you can't read it. :-/
[04:49] <waylandbill> sivaji: kdevelop3
[04:49] <trappist> sivaji: kdevelop
[04:50] <trappist> what waylandbill said
[04:50] <sivaji> can i compile visual c++
[04:50] <trappist> sivaji: you can compile c++ - visual c++ is an ide, not a language
[04:50] <Dasnipa`> lol
[04:51] <kjdis> waylandbill: well I was thinking more aslong tyhe lines of how to even do it, considering I am just running the Makefile
[04:51] <silence_> alguien que hable espaol x aqui?
[04:52] <Dasnipa`> !es
[04:52] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:52] <waylandbill> sivaji: you could cross-compile, but that's pretty advanced.
[04:53] <sivaji> cross compile means
[04:53] <kjdis> waylandbill: what about the other unistd.h?  one is just <unistd.h> and one is <linux/unistd.h>
[04:53] <waylandbill> kjdis: you could do g++ -c -save-temp foo.cpp, but I just did it and it doesn't tell full path. but you could compare the output to compare to.
[04:53] <trappist> sivaji: compile in one environment for another environment
[04:54] <kjdis> waylandbill: I'll try that anyway
[04:54] <waylandbill> sivaji: but the gcc cross compiler is mingw, not msvc. you couldn't use mfc or anything like that.
[04:55] <waylandbill> sivaji: but you could use qt (for open source) or wx
[04:55] <sivaji> i cant get u
[04:56] <matthew> !speedfan
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speedfan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <matthew> hi, how do i configure cpu fan setting in kubuntu?
[04:56] <waylandbill> sivaji; you just trying to learn c/c++ or something?
[04:56] <paolo> Dasnipa`: ok, let's start posix coding:)
[04:57] <waylandbill> anyone know a package for converting vids to mp4 (for ipod)
[04:58] <stdin> !mencoder
[04:58] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3171 kB, installed size 7956 kB
[04:58] <binks> htere is a gui posted on the forums for mp4 ipod creation
[04:59] <trappist> mencoder is multiverse?!
[04:59] <waylandbill> i don't need a gui per se. just a method. :-D
[05:00] <binks> ok but if you read the scrip for the gui itll anwere the howto
[05:00] <stdin> trappist: why wouldn't it be?
[05:00] <binks> my english is soooo bad
[05:00] <trappist> stdin: because it's open source?
[05:00] <binks> specially seeing as im english
[05:01] <stdin> trappist: universe = community supported, multiverse is for non GPL things
[05:01] <binks> you mean you want to create  pay videos
[05:02] <trappist> stdin: mplayer/mencoder is gpl
[05:02] <stdin> trappist: I know, that's why it's in universe, not multiverse
[05:03] <waylandbill> binks: yes. I want to convert vids to ipod format
[05:03] <trappist> stdin: the bot just said it's in multiverse
[05:04] <stdin> trappist: hmm, yeah. just noticed actually :P
[05:04] <trappist> 09:59 <trappist> mencoder is multiverse?!
[05:04] <binks> so why not use the gui in the forums waylandbill
[05:05] <waylandbill> binks: I'm still looking for it
[05:05] <binks> or i think avidemux will prob do it too
[05:05] <binks> ok just a sec
[05:06] <aleksanteri> !cvs
[05:06] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[05:08] <binks> waylandbill : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158461
[05:08] <binks> waylandbill : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114946&highlight=ipod+mp4+gui
[05:08] <waylandbill> thx
[05:16] <sleepy943> Any good kubuntu learning guides out there that I can print out?
[05:17] <Jucato> sleepy943: http://help.ubuntu.com
[05:17] <Jucato> theres a PDF version of the Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[05:18] <stdin> trappist: I've asked about, and think I have an answer :P
[05:18] <trappist> stdin: something to do with linking against w32codecs?
[05:18] <stdin> trappist: no, it only suggests that
[05:19] <paolo> well, another question i have to control if two process are active (i can use pidof). if they aren't active I have to control the same thing after 3 seconds. if they aren't active yet I have to launch another process
[05:19] <stdin> trappist: but it depends on "libmp4v2-0" and maybe some others
[05:19] <Jucato> it must depend on some other thing thats in multiverse
[05:19] <trappist> I mean in the code, not the package
[05:19] <stdin> trappist: that are in universe
[05:19] <trappist> stdin: you mean multiverse
[05:19] <stdin> trappist: the code is all GPL, it just depends on some things in multiverse
[05:20] <trappist> right.  that makes sense.
[05:20] <stdin> yeah, I mean multiverse, not universe :P
[05:20] <Jucato> if an app is dependent on even a single multiverse package, its put into multiverse, regardless of license
[05:20] <Jucato> afaik (from previous discussions about Screenkast)
[05:21] <stdin> trappist: interesting thing, is that debian has mplayer (not mencoder) in it's main repo now
[05:22] <trappist> stdin: probably compiled without support for several formats
[05:23] <_eMaX_> re
[05:23] <_eMaX_> is there an rdp _server_ for linux?
[05:23] <stdin> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/02/msg00175.html << link explaining why it's in debian
[05:24] <geneweb> hey
[05:25] <stdin> _eMaX_: RDP is a MS protocol, VNC is the equivalent
[05:27] <kjdis> waylandbill: looks like gettid usage has changed, so I need to update to newer VDR
[05:27] <waylandbill> kjdis: oh.. it was a problem in the source code.
[05:29] <kjdis> waylandbill: I believe so
[05:32] <ohyesyoucan11> I'm having problems with this error message: kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[05:32] <cloakable> ohyesyoucan11: Are you running kate as root?
[05:32] <stdin> running a GUI app as root?
[05:32] <ohyesyoucan11> yeah
[05:33] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: use kdesu not sudo
[05:33] <ohyesyoucan11> oh ok, thnks, :)
[05:34] <ohyesyoucan11> stdin and cloakable, it still wont connect to the Xserver, do I need to install something?
[05:35] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: how are you running it? from the run dialogue ?
[05:36] <ohyesyoucan11> well, from terminal, I'm just trying "sudo su > kate sources.list" (in the propeer directory)
[05:37] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: that's not the right way
[05:37] <ohyesyoucan11> OK
[05:37] <ohyesyoucan11> should I restart and not be super user?
[05:37] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: what are you trying to do?
[05:38] <ohyesyoucan11> alter my sources.list file
[05:38] <naee> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <ohyesyoucan11> ok cool, I'll try it. thanks
[05:38] <ohyesyoucan11> again lol
[05:38] <naee> or as a normal user do xhost local:localhost
[05:39] <naee> that will allow root to use display :0
[05:39] <stdin> naee: that syntax doesn't look right
[05:39] <naee> its correct stdin
[05:39] <microbalrog> Okay, I need more nameservers
[05:40] <stdin> naee: 'xhost +local:' or 'xhost +inet:localhost' localhost is a host
[05:40] <ohyesyoucan11> thanks guys, it worked.
[05:41] <eeanm> ~host google.com
[05:41] <insanity> exec of host led to exception: #<Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory - host>
[05:41] <eeanm> stdin: ...I just did it, it worked
[05:41] <stdin> read man xhost
[05:41] <eeanm> $ xhost local:localhost
[05:41] <eeanm> non-network local connections being added to access control list
[05:42] <stdin> eeanm: do it without the localhost and see
[05:42] <eeanm> does your way work accross sessions?
[05:42] <sinbad33> hey guys wats the best drive-image program to use for Edgy ??
[05:42] <stdin> eeanm: yeah, 'local:' takes no parameter
[05:42] <fdoving> sinbad33: for backup or disaster recovery i recommend mondo rescue. or partimage.
[05:43] <eeanm> I get the exact same message stdin
[05:43] <eeanm> but I'll see if it works next time I open X
[05:43] <sinbad33> fdoving, ok , do i get those using adept ?
[05:43] <stdin> eeanm: that's because with 'local:' it ignores everything after it
[05:43] <eeanm> sinbad33: dd ;)
[05:43] <fdoving> sinbad33: yes. i belive so.
[05:43] <stdin> dd is the best :)
[05:43] <fdoving> and dd is not recommended as it includes non-used space in the image-size.
[05:43] <sinbad33> oh good thx
[05:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[05:44] <sinbad33> dd?
[05:44] <daftman> sup blue
[05:44] <eeanm> dd does a bit-by-bit copy of a partition
[05:44] <sinbad33> ok i'll check those out
[05:45] <BluesKaj> just logging on , to learn some more stuff ,daftman
[05:45] <alexandrepos> what a better sip phone for kde ???
[05:46] <sinbad33> i dont see 'dd' on adept :(
[05:46] <eeanm> anyone know how to mount a "Linux plaintext" partition?
[05:46] <bronze_0_1> a what?
[05:47] <stdin> eeanm:  if you want to make it permanent use something like this in your ~/.bashrc http://pastebin.ca/314291
[05:47] <eeanm> sinbad33: its a tiny utility, its probably bundled with something else
[05:47] <bronze_0_1> eeanm: what partition type does fdisk report for the partition?
[05:47] <stdin> sinbad33: it's already installed
[05:47] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: well cfdisk reports Linux plaintext
[05:47] <bronze_0_1> wow - never heard of a linux plaintext "partition"
[05:48] <eeanm> its the "instant on" dvd player that came with my laptop, its Linux. I was wanting to see if I could use it under my normal linux.
[05:48] <fdoving> stdin: i'd recommend using ~/.xsession for xhost, instead of bashrc.
[05:48] <eeanm> well yea me neither until I got this laptop bronze_0_1:)
[05:48] <bronze_0_1> wow
[05:48] <fdoving> stdin: or make a  ~/.kde/Autostart/xhost.sh
[05:49] <sinbad33> stdin, ok but its not visible under any of my utilities or programs, that i can see
[05:49] <stdin> fdoving: it checks for a display, but yeah, you're right
[05:49] <eeanm> sinbad33: why do you want dd?
[05:49] <fdoving> sinbad33: you don't want dd. you want mondo rescue or partimage.
[05:49] <stdin> sinbad33: it's a console command
[05:49] <sinbad33> ok console
[05:50] <bronze_0_1> eeanm: see the last email on this page (at the bottom), search for plaintext : http://www.gatago.net/linux/kernel/15453382.html
[05:50] <sinbad33> eeanm, i just want to make my own custom kubuntu OS drive image
[05:51] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: thanks, will do
[05:52] <sinbad33> how do i start dd in the konsole? just type -> run dd ?
[05:52] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: sounds like it might be some sort of custom thing then
[05:52] <eeanm> I suppose Toshiba must make the source code available somewhere
[05:53] <bronze_0_1> or they are using the pathc described on that page.
[05:53] <stdin> sinbad33: if you haven't used the console much, don't bother with dd (if you want to find out more about it use "man dd" in konsole)
[05:53] <fdoving> sinbad33: you don't want dd. but if you really must use it. read some docs, for example: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd
[05:53] <bronze_0_1> *patch (apparently my keybaord has a lisp)
[05:53] <sinbad33> stdin, ok
[05:53] <eeanm> well its a gpl requirement, they have to make the source available
[05:53] <eeanm> even if the gpl stuff they use is already available elsewhere
[05:53] <sinbad33> ok i will read up on those
[05:54] <bronze_0_1> eeanm: are you sure toshiba makes the dvd player? They may only be branding it.
[05:54] <eeanm> well sure
[05:54] <eeanm> someone made it :)
[05:54] <fdoving> eeanm: they don't have to publish it, they only need to provide it on request. or something like that.
[05:54] <eeanm> erm
[05:54] <bronze_0_1> I just bought a 10"lcd screendvd player for the car, comes w/2 wireless head sets.. $100
[05:55] <bronze_0_1> prices are dropping like stock prices during the dot bomb
[05:56] <eeanm> wireless head sets are expensive themselves o.o
[05:56] <eeanm> usually
[05:58] <bronze_0_1> yeah, I was surprised
[05:58] <bronze_0_1> I'm also skeptical.  Gonna test it right away
[05:58] <paolo> how can i assign to a variable the output of a command?
[05:59] <stdin> paolo: what do you mean?
[05:59] <fdoving> paolo: variable=echo 'hello';echo $variable
[05:59] <fdoving> ehm.
[06:00] <fdoving> paolo: variable=`echo 'hello'`;echo $variable
[06:00] <fdoving> there..
[06:00] <fdoving> with those dotts.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> backticks.. :) better to use the $(echo hello) contruction isent it?
[06:00] <paolo> fdoving: let's try
[06:00] <sinbad33> hey guys how do i make epiphany my default browser instead of Konq
[06:00] <stdin> variable=$(echo 'hello');echo $variable(
[06:01] <stdin> without he trailing (
[06:01] <fdoving> Dr_willis: yeah, it's cleaner.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> it skips over the 'where is the `    key at... discussion that seems to follow also...  :)
[06:02] <stdin> sinbad33: in System Settings -> Default Applications
[06:02] <fdoving> .. and it improves readability.
[06:02] <sinbad33> stdin, oh wow ok thx
[06:02] <stdin> and makes scripts easier to read
[06:03] <stdin> sometimes you miss the ` especially when there are " and ' around
[06:03] <sinbad33> i think im falling in luv w Kubuntu  :))
[06:04] <stdin> and Kubuntu loves you too :)
[06:05] <stdin> no, Kubuntu is a good name for a dog tho :P
[06:05] <sinbad33> haha
[06:06] <paolo> fdoving: it doesnt work for this: pidtotal=`echo pidof kate`
[06:06] <Dasnipa`> stdin, i havent met many dogs that 'encompass the act of sharing'
[06:07] <stdin> paolo: remove the "echo" part
[06:07] <stdin> paolo: pidtotal=$(pidof kate)
[06:09] <stdin> paolo: also, if you expect the output to have spaces in it, use: pidtotal="$(pidof kate)"
[06:10] <sinbad33> arf ARF!
[06:10] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: I did a strings on th mystery partition, one thing it returned was "GCC: (GNU) 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8.1)"
[06:10] <eeanm> :P
[06:11] <sinbad33> the only reason i dont like Konqueror browser is cuz i cant change my background color :(
[06:11] <bronze_0_1> eeanm: see anyu string that might be the name of a filesystem type?
[06:11] <eeanm> o.o
[06:11] <sinbad33> white browser backgrounds hurts my eyes
[06:11] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: yea, looks like it might be reiserfs
[06:11] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: but it has a bunch of stuff in front of it
[06:11] <eeanm> so it can't mount
[06:12] <eeanm> this is my guess after reading that email you gave me
[06:12] <eeanm> like it has grub in it too
[06:12] <bronze_0_1> it may be multiple "sub-partitions"
[06:12] <Tm_T> eeanm: Oink.
[06:13] <eeanm> tm_t--
[06:13] <eeanm> :P
[06:13] <Tm_T> D'oh!
[06:13] <Tm_T> We need amarok here too.
[06:13] <eeanm> no
[06:13] <eeanm> no we don't :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> Bah.
[06:14] <Lynoure> want and need are indeed two different things :)
[06:14] <Xbehave> erm is anybody about knowledgable about beryl compliz?
[06:14] <bronze_0_1> I want any mp3 player.
[06:15] <eeanm> bronze_0_1: tm_t is referring to the megahal bot in #amarok :)
[06:15] <stdin> Xbehave: beryl and compiz are 2 different projects
[06:15] <bronze_0_1> heh
[06:16] <Xbehave> but how are they different in terms of end user options
[06:16] <eeanm> beryl has more stuff
[06:16] <stdin> Xbehave: beryl has more "bling"
[06:16] <eeanm> beryl is a fork of compiz
[06:17] <stdin> and beryl is more kde friendly, I have found
[06:17] <Xbehave> are there any advantages to using compliz instead of beryl?
[06:17] <eeanm> the point of it all is bling
[06:17] <eeanm> so use beryl ;)
[06:20] <ohyesyoucan11> does anyone use kdirstat?
[06:20] <stdin> I _have_ used it
[06:20] <ohyesyoucan11> is it ok auto clean /  ??
[06:21] <ohyesyoucan11> I read something about only using kdirstat in your home folder :-/
[06:21] <stdin> I wouldn't mess with /
[06:22] <stdin> but you don't have permissions to touch / anyway
[06:22] <ohyesyoucan11> yeah, I DO NOT Want this to crash.  thanks, I'll just do my home folder.
[06:27] <Vegeta^> When I plugged an USB memory key in my computer, it could be automatically detected and could be accessed as normal user, but now it needs a root user to mount and acces it and be able to copy/write to it. How can I change it back to the way it was before?
[06:29] <stdin> Vegeta^: 1. what version of Kubuntu are you on? 2. how are you mounting it?
[06:30] <Vegeta^> stdin: Mouting it from terminal "sudo mount.."
[06:31] <stdin> Vegeta^: mount with pmount, you don't need sudo then, and you will have write access as normal user
[06:31] <stdin> !pmount
[06:31] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[06:31] <stdin> you have it installed already
[06:33] <Vegeta^> stdin: doesn't it mount on auto?
[06:33] <stdin> Vegeta^: what version are you using?
[06:34] <Vegeta^> stdin: DOn't remember where do I look it up?
[06:35] <stdin> Vegeta^: lsb_release -c
[06:37] <Vegeta^> stdin: That gave me "Codename dapper"..
[06:40] <stdin> Vegeta^: It may be a bug, you don't see any dialogue asking what you want to do when you plug it in?
[06:40] <Vegeta^> stdin: no not anymore
[06:41] <stdin> Vegeta^: probably a bug then
[06:42] <stdin> Vegeta^: just use pmount for now, you can run it from the "Run Command" dialogue, you don't need to open a terminal
[06:42] <bronze_0_1> what package do I install to add pdf support to Kubuntu, please?
[06:43] <stdin> !find pdf
[06:43] <ubotu> Found: gs-esp, gs-gpl, kghostview, kpdf, poppler-utils (and 51 others)
[06:43] <bronze_0_1> stdin: thank wasn't aware of that commnd
[06:43] <bronze_0_1> *thanks
[06:43] <stdin> kpdf looks good :)
[06:43] <Vegeta^> stdin: This is what is writting in fstab: /dev/sda1       /media/usbdisk  auto    noauto,owner        0   0 <-
[06:43] <bronze_0_1> gracias!
[06:43] <bronze_0_1> stdin does apt-get do a find function like lthat?
[06:44] <stdin> bronze_0_1: not apt-get, apt-cache. "apt-cache search something"
[06:44] <bronze_0_1> great!
[06:45] <stdin> Vegeta^: you don't put removable devices in fstab, but maybe as a workaround, but change "owner" to "user" or "users" or you'll still have to be root
[06:46] <Vegeta^> stdin: It's funny but I tried changing that to user before, but it didn't work, but now I try it, it works.. :S Maybe because it's after a reboot. Wired.
[06:48] <soulrider> hi
[06:48] <soulrider> does anyone know if theres a deb p[ackage for gimpshop ?
[06:48] <stdin> hmm
[06:48] <stdin> !gimpshop
[06:48] <ubotu> gimpshop is a hack that makes The Gimp look and feel more like Photoshop.  A .deb for Ubuntu is available via http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[06:48] <stdin> heh :)
[06:49] <soulrider> heh, thanks
[06:49] <stdin> thank the bot :P
[06:49] <stdin> good bot
[06:49] <stdin> !botsnack
[06:49] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:49] <stdin> :)
[06:53] <soulrider> lol
[06:56] <|Osiris> is here anyone using Kubuntu with more than one panel?
[06:57] <stdin> well, I have the taskbar separate from the main panel (taskbar it at the top of the screen) if that counts
[06:57] <stdin> why?
[06:58] <|Osiris> stdin, I want the same thing but...
[06:58] <|Osiris> I used gentoo before
[06:58] <|Osiris> an there is a difference in the possibilities with Kubuntu
[06:59] <|Osiris> I want a small taskbar (100% width) on top
[06:59] <|Osiris> and a icon bar (80%) at the bottom
[06:59] <waylandbill> sounds like how xfce looks
[06:59] <|Osiris> the problem is that I can't adjust the settings for the top panel
[06:59] <|Osiris> in Gentoo there is an option in the panel settings where you can pick your panel
[07:00] <aseigo> |Osiris: same on kubuntu, as that's a kde feature ... though i have noticed that sometimes directly after adding a panel for whatever reason the dcop signal doesn't get propagated properly on some systems..
[07:01] <aseigo> |Osiris: and so you have to close/open the config dialog ... and perhaps sometimes even do a `dcop kicker kicker restart`
[07:01] <|Osiris> k
[07:01] <|Osiris> I try
[07:01] <|Osiris> I added a "big" panel to the top now
[07:01] <|Osiris> and reboot
[07:02] <|Osiris> to be sure
[07:02] <soulrider> stdin: you use gimpshop ?
[07:02] <soulrider> dont reboot
[07:02] <stdin> soulrider: no
[07:02] <soulrider> just restart x
[07:02] <soulrider> ok
[07:02] <soulrider> i installed it, but my gimp interface is the same, only thing that changed was the splash =/
[07:03] <|Osiris> reboot is already done ;)
[07:03] <|Osiris> you are right
[07:03] <|Osiris> it works
[07:03] <|Osiris> thanks a lot!
[07:04] <lenscape> has anyone got bluetooth working on kubuntu?
[07:05] <lenscape> it recognises the bluetooth adapter. KbluetoothD runs but it never sees any other devices
[07:05] <|Osiris> lenscape, I have
[07:05] <lenscape> |Osiris: great. What's the secret?
[07:06] <|Osiris> No clue I installed it yesterday plugged in the dongle and it works
[07:06] <|Osiris> automaticly
[07:06] <lenscape> It simply works on SuSE but hopeless on kubuntu
[07:06] <luxio> hi
[07:07] <|Osiris> does anyone know where I can set the color of the text for  items in the taskbar?
[07:08] <lenscape> |Osiris: that's probably in a theme somewhere
[07:09] <|Osiris> found it but does not solve my problem
[07:09] <|Osiris> never mind ;)
[07:09] <ohyesyoucan11> I want to type a list of all my passwords (that's just how I do it)... I cant let anyone watch while I type it though... I figure disabling my internet connection completely and under Kate check the "dont back up' box... any feedback?
[07:09] <lenscape> ohyesyoucan11: write them in a book
[07:10] <ohyesyoucan11> yeah. lol, maybe I'm just a little slow, but I type so much faster than I can write. :-/
[07:11] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: when you're done, change the permissions on the file to "user = read + write" and rest to forbidden
[07:11] <ohyesyoucan11> stdin, that would do the trick?
[07:11] <sebbar> hey guys, I've got one of these ac97 sound cards and when I want to set the "master channel" I've to set the headphone channel instead. Any idea on how to fix this?
[07:12] <luxio> i upgraded my system to kubuntu 6.10, but audio stop works... a litle bit of amarok dbg msg:X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[07:12] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: that would stop anyone but you from even reading the file
[07:12] <luxio> what i need tune?
[07:13] <stdin> !sound
[07:13] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:14] <ohyesyoucan11> stdin, you have gift for fixing problems without a bunch of techno babble, you should write "Kubuntu for dummies" !!! :)
[07:14] <ohyesyoucan11> biab
[07:14] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: nah, I would have no life (not that I do now anyway) :P
[07:14] <ohyesyoucan11> lol
[07:15] <ohyesyoucan11> It's pry already written... the other day I saw Wicca for dummies... they have like EVERYTHING.
[07:15] <ohyesyoucan11> I want wine for dummies.
[07:16] <stdin> heh, good luck
[07:16] <ohyesyoucan11> actually, before that I'd like psychic for dummies... they are both at my local bookstore!
[07:17] <ohyesyoucan11> hacking Linux for dummies... I swear I saw something like that.
[07:17] <stdin> "hacking linux" that's vague
[07:17] <ohyesyoucan11> oh there is DEFINETLY python for dummies or something close, search Amazon, they have all of them.
[07:18] <stdin> I know there is, I just haven't got it :P
[07:19] <ohyesyoucan11> stdin... yeah I wonder what it's like... I doubt it shows you how to break the law, Idon't like to break the law either, with cyber-law though it's too complicated to undersant for the police or poloticians.
[07:19] <ohyesyoucan11> *hacking linux for dummies I mean
[07:20] <Tm_T> I hack daily.
[07:20] <soulrider> i dont think the "* for dummies" books are any good, at least not the ones that i have read
[07:20] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: you need to look up the definition of hacking vs cracking
[07:20] <Tm_T> Yup.
[07:20] <ohyesyoucan11> I think it should be called "hacking Windows with Linux" lol, I know the difference.
[07:21] <stdin> cracking windows is as easy as cracking an egg
[07:21] <Tm_T> stdin: And messy too?
[07:21] <soulrider> stdin: youre wrong
[07:21] <soulrider> its easier\
[07:21] <ohyesyoucan11> technically it would prolly be called "cracking Windows with Linux" they pry don't make it that specifics, hacking is fun.
[07:21] <stdin> it's only messy for the windows user :P
[07:21] <vge> actually cracking an egg is not that easy ^^
[07:22] <stdin> vge: I can do it one handed :P
[07:22] <stdin> *to both an egg and windows
[07:22] <vge> can get messy as with every cracking ;)
[07:23] <OuT|aW> hello
[07:23] <OuT|aW> i need help
[07:24] <OuT|aW> any ops available
[07:24] <soulrider> OuT|aW: im not an op, but what do you need ?
[07:25] <soulrider> if its **REALLY** important you can do !ops and theyll come
[07:25] <stdin> the ops are all hiding :P
[07:25] <soulrider> !botsnack
[07:25] <OuT|aW> well i heard abt the kubunto OS but i need help in installing them
[07:25] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:25] <soulrider> ok
[07:25] <soulrider> we can help you
[07:25] <soulrider> no need toc all the ops
[07:25] <OuT|aW> thanks
[07:25] <soulrider> where are you stuck ?
[07:25] <stdin> you don't need ops, that what we're here for :)
[07:25] <OuT|aW> well i m totaly new to that OS
[07:26] <soulrider> ahh :)
[07:26] <soulrider> i was like that too :P
[07:26] <soulrider> its easier than it seems
[07:26] <OuT|aW> i just want to get out of xp
[07:26] <OuT|aW> too much laggs
[07:26] <soulrider> very wise
[07:26] <stdin> good thing you can run Kubuntu without installing it too :)
[07:26] <OuT|aW> huh....<stdin> good thing you can run Kubuntu without installing it too :)
[07:26] <soulrider> OuT|aW: did you download the CD and burn it ?
[07:26] <OuT|aW> i dnt get wat u meant
[07:26] <stdin> OuT|aW: you can
[07:27] <OuT|aW> not yet
[07:27] <OuT|aW> i tried but cant seem to download
[07:27] <soulrider> OuT|aW: if you insert the CD you can run kubuntu without installing it, but the changes wont be permanent, and since youre using a CD it will be kinda slow
[07:27] <stdin> OuT|aW: Kubuntu comes on a "Live CD", so you can run the OS from the CD without installing :)
[07:27] <soulrider> OuT|aW: let me give youa  link
[07:27] <stdin> !download
[07:27] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:27] <OuT|aW> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:28] <OuT|aW> i tried
[07:28] <OuT|aW> wat u mean by various formats
[07:28] <OuT|aW> which is better
[07:28] <fabrizio_> C' qualcuno italiano..??
[07:28] <OuT|aW> edgy or drake
[07:28] <stdin> OuT|aW: normal PC, Mac (and some others), you want the x86 version
[07:28] <stdin> !it | fabrizio_
[07:28] <ubotu> fabrizio_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:29] <fabrizio_> c' qualche italiano???
[07:29] <|Osiris> stdin, do you know how I can get my dekstop icons like home and trash?
[07:29] <OuT|aW> well m using a P4 1.4ghz
[07:29] <ohyesyoucan11> lol, you can apply hacking to lots of things... for example I take some legal herbs that give you a mild high... and I blend them in water and burn off most of the water (leaving oil)... then I put the herbs in vodka and shake it up and mix it and let it settle, then I strain the vodka, (you don't want chunks in there BELIEVE me (feels sick thinking about it... the final and ingenious step is to realize that Oil litterally
[07:29] <ohyesyoucan11> disolves into alcohol... (it doesn't come to the surface like water... when the vodka has been infused with the herbs (dissolved oils)... then you just keep pouring it through a britta about ten times or more (a very important thing to realize is that you can buy the extra large bottles of NASTY vodka for like 7.99, after it goes through the britta ten times or more, it's so much cleaner... anyways, I was looking at a web page
[07:29] <ohyesyoucan11> and they refered to it as a hack... I can kinda see why.
[07:29] <stdin> |Osiris: jusr make them as shortcuts to locations (trash url is "trash:/"
[07:29] <stdin> )
[07:30] <stdin> ohyesyoucan11: pastebin for god sake :P
[07:30] <ohyesyoucan11> lol
[07:30] <OuT|aW> soulrider
[07:30] <OuT|aW> which is better huh edgy or dapper drake
[07:30] <LameBMX> ohyesyoucan11, try 90% isopropyl alcohol in a pressure cooker ... then boild the alcohol off
[07:30] <LameBMX> ohyesyoucan11, and enjoy what remains
[07:30] <OuT|aW> stdin which is better huh edgy or dapper drake
[07:31] <soulrider> OuT|aW: edgy is newer
[07:31] <soulrider> i have to go now
[07:31] <soulrider> ill be back later
[07:31] <stdin> OuT|aW: well edgy is the latest, but dapper has longer term support
[07:31] <soulrider> bye ^__^
[07:31] <stdin> bye soulrider :)
[07:31] <ohyesyoucan11> LameBXM... you mean rubbing alcohol?
[07:31] <|Osiris> stdin, home is home:/
[07:32] <OuT|aW> ok stdin
[07:32] <OuT|aW> stdin i need 1 more favour
[07:32] <stdin> |Osiris: heh, I just use the System menu :)
[07:32] <OuT|aW> byesoulrider :)
[07:32] <stdin> OuT|aW: yep ?
[07:32] <LameBMX> ohyesyoucan11, yeppers .. gotta find the high percentage though ... oh and dont try it at home ... highly combustable material .. under pressue ...
[07:33] <Goliath23> hi
[07:33] <ohyesyoucan11> weird, I thought alcohol had boiling point much lighter than alcohol... I'm interested in what you are saying tho.
[07:34] <Goliath23> are there known bugs with usb mass storage handling in kubuntu 6.10?
[07:34] <stdin> hello Goliath23
[07:34] <OuT|aW> stdin see ur pvt msg
[07:34] <stdin> Goliath23: not automounting ?
[07:34] <Goliath23> no, it's automounting
[07:34] <stdin> yeah, I think that's a known bug
[07:35] <Goliath23> I connect my phone via usb which then acts and is detected as usb mass storage and I can access the sd card in it.
[07:35] <stdin> you can mount it with "pmount /dev/sda1" for axample
[07:35] <Goliath23> no, its detected and mounts!
[07:36] <Goliath23> problem is, that secure remove doesn't work properly. normally my phone detects that its unmounted. sometimes it does that in kde as well. but not always
[07:36] <ohyesyoucan11> LameBXM could you open a private chat with me?
[07:36] <Goliath23> and then, another problem is: if I delete files, instead of deleting them, kde creates a .trash folder and moves the files there. If I then want to copy other files to the card it states that the card is full.
[07:37] <Goliath23> it obviously doesn't delete the trash folder
[07:37] <stdin> Goliath23: hmm, simple fix is to use "sudo eject /dev/sda" for example
[07:37] <Goliath23> even if I do it manually it still states that there is no space
[07:37] <Goliath23> I mean if I manually delete the trash folder
[07:37] <tibbar> !java|tibbar
[07:37] <ubotu> tibbar: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[07:37] <Goliath23> it seems that operations are delayed a bit too much
[07:37] <boggystudios> I can't get  the kubuntu 6.06 or 6.10 i386 cds or the 6.06 64bit cd to boot in my laptop
[07:39] <Goliath23> stdin: are there already bug reports for this? or shall I report it? i can't imagine that I'm the only one..
[07:39] <stdin> boggystudios: what do you mean? do you see any errors? does it skip the CD and boot the hard drive ?
[07:40] <stdin> Goliath23: report it anyway, if someone else has reported it, they'll let you know
[07:40] <ohyesyoucan11> I dunno... beleive it or not, isolating pure ether form wine for example is a stiffer offense than pot!
[07:40] <stdin> Goliath23: you can put in a support request too https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[07:40] <Goliath23> stdin: I try to do a search on launchpad
[07:40] <Goliath23> stdin: but I think it's more an upstream bug to kde, no?
[07:41] <stdin> Goliath23: still report it on launchpad
[07:41] <stdin> I g2g for a while, my dinner is ready :) back in a bit
[07:43] <boggystudios> stdin: no it just freezes
[07:43] <boggystudios> stdin: I have the AMD Turionx2 processor in it so I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not
[07:46] <boggystudios> stdin: on the 6.06 i386 cd it froze trying to load cups
[07:46] <boggystudios> stdin: on the 6.10 i386 cd it froze on a blank screen
[07:47] <boggystudios> stdin: on the 6.06 64bit cd it froze detecting hardware
[07:47] <ohyesyoucan11> bottom line tho... is run the cheapest vodka you can find through a nice britta pitcher OVER 10 times, it takes a minute... and you have this stuff that is still vodka, but in my opinion, I would choose it over grey goose any day... so there is your uncventional hack for the day... don't boil alcohol, it's very dangerous, this is about filtration,... not distillation.
[07:47] <juano__> anyone know why i cant send mail with kmail using gmail, i can fetch mail fine
[07:48] <Search4Lancer> e'er since reconfiguring Xorg, my middle mouse button doesn't work - any help?
[07:48] <juano__> server smtp.gmail.com port 465 method plain and TLS
[07:48] <juano__> Search4Lancer: what mouse you got?
[07:48] <juano__> Search4Lancer: USB?
[07:48] <Search4Lancer> yes
[07:49] <juano__> Search4Lancer: maybe you got wrong protocol
[07:49] <juano__> protocol should be IMPS/2 in xorg.conf
[07:50] <juano__> Search4Lancer: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:50] <Search4Lancer> of course
[07:50] <juano__> Search4Lancer: search for the mouse section and in protocol try changing it to IMPS/2, thats a capital i at first
[07:51] <Search4Lancer> right now it's ExplorerPS/2
[07:51] <juano__> Search4Lancer: thats your prob
[07:51] <juano__> Search4Lancer: change that to IMPS/2
[07:51] <OuT|aW> anyone can tell me how to hipe my ip plz
[07:51] <juano__> OuT|aW: hipe??
[07:51] <Search4Lancer> hide, methinks
[07:51] <OuT|aW> well i mean Using bnc
[07:52] <c123> wow, another weird name lol
[07:52] <juano__> Search4Lancer: you would have to reset X for effects of course
[07:52] <LameBMX> Search4Lancer, try unplugging your modem
[07:52] <LameBMX> errr OuT|aW unplug your modem ...
[07:52] <Search4Lancer> LameBMX: you're talking to the wrong person
[07:53] <Search4Lancer> juano__: yes, I know, saving things up first
[07:53] <LameBMX> yea well i blame it all on qwerty Search4Lancer
[07:54] <juano__> Search4Lancer: yes, try that and see if it works
[07:58] <OuT|aW> hello
[07:58] <OuT|aW> can anyone help me plz
[07:59] <Search4Lancer> still no middle clicky
[07:59] <juano__> Search4Lancer: no luck>?
[07:59] <Search4Lancer> nope
[08:00] <OuT|aW> juano__ can u help me plz
[08:00] <juano__> OuT|aW: yeah whats up?
[08:01] <OuT|aW> how do i hide my ip add ???
[08:01] <OuT|aW> can u plz tell me
[08:01] <astan> hm. where can i find out how to bridge two network interfaces in kubuntu?
[08:03] <juano__> OuT|aW: hide? internal IP?
[08:03] <barjoh10> hey juano
[08:05] <Search4Lancer> OuT|aW: have you considered trying Tor?
[08:07] <juano__> OuT|aW: have you tried configuring mouse via X?
[08:07] <juano__> Search4Lancer: i meant, OuT|aW sorry
[08:07] <juano__> barjoh10: hi
[08:08] <Search4Lancer> juano__: that's what got me into this whole mess, reconfiguring X to fix my resolution
[08:08] <Search4Lancer> I'd rather not go through that again
[08:08] <juano__> Search4Lancer: resolution? where you configured it for mouse to break?
 OuT|aW: have you considered trying Tor? ?????
[08:09] <Search4Lancer> huh? I was having problems with my resolution, was told to reconfig X, which is what I did, and it fixed it, but in the process, it boned my mouse
[08:09] <OuT|aW> wat u mean by that
[08:09] <Search4Lancer> as in exactly that
[08:09] <Search4Lancer> install Tor
[08:09] <OuT|aW> where to install thatfrom
[08:10] <Search4Lancer> from whatever package manager you use
[08:10] <TheGateKeeper> Search4Lancer, you probable need to take a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf then manually edit it
[08:10] <OuT|aW> huh
[08:10] <OuT|aW> wat is Tor actually : Search4Lancer
[08:10] <Search4Lancer> TheGateKeeper: fine and swell, but I don't know what to add/edit in it to fix it
[08:10] <juano__> Search4Lancer: your mouse section should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1327/
[08:10] <juano__> Search4Lancer: check to see if you got Buttons "3"
[08:11] <Search4Lancer> OuT|aW: educate yourself: http://tor.eff.org/
[08:11] <TheGateKeeper> Search4Lancer, there you go ^^^^
[08:12] <Search4Lancer> huh, didn't even have a buttons option in there... odd
[08:15] <Search4Lancer> works now, thanks
[08:15] <juano__> Search4Lancer: :) great
[08:16] <juano__> anyone know why i cant use kmail to send mail? i configured it with gmail, fetching works fine
[08:17] <HymnToLife> juano__, did you configure the SMTP too ?
[08:18] <juano__> HymnToLife: yes, smtp.gmail.com port 465 TLS and PLAIN
[08:19] <juano__> HymnToLife: its weird cause when i do write message then i put send, it just stays in outbox there and it wont pop up some windows like saying connecting... or sending...
[08:19] <Hawkwind> Port 465 ??
[08:19] <equinox> hola
[08:19] <cloakable> Hi, my system keeps freezing, but I get nothing in /var/log/messages. Can anyone help?
[08:19] <juano__> HymnToLife: ive tried port 587 also rightclickin outbox and put "send messages in queue" no luck
[08:20] <equinox> algien habla espa;ol
[08:20] <juano__> Hawkwind: ive tried 587 too no luck
[08:20] <HymnToLife> juano__, why not just use your ISP's SMTP ?
[08:22] <koli> hello
[08:22] <koli> i have a problem
[08:23] <koli> the resolution of my screen changed
[08:23] <nightwatch> hi there, I m using kopete as msn agent , but there's no sound ... I use amarok with no problems, than I think the problem should be in kopete, any advice to fix it?
[08:23] <koli> and i cannot set it again to 1024*800
[08:23] <koli> it is a toshiba satellite a75 with 15.4 widescreen
[08:23] <juano__> HymnToLife: dont see the need, works fine through thunderbird
[08:24] <juano__> HymnToLife: just curious why it wont with kmail
[08:28] <barjoh10> hello juano I didnt mean to interupt
[08:29] <Wikipedia-Gast60> koli sucks
[08:29] <koli> still got that problem with the screen resolution
[08:29] <koli> cannot adjust it
[08:29] <Wikipedia-Gast60> koli sucks
[08:29] <koli> please someone help me
[08:29] <Wikipedia-Gast60> koli sucks
[08:29] <koli> wikipedia
[08:29] <koli> what;s wrong
[08:30] <Wikipedia-Gast60> you suck
[08:30] <|Osiris> stdin, this what my desktop looks now: http://bqlabs.nl/drop/screen.png
[08:30] <koli> why
[08:30] <juano__> barjoh10: hello
[08:30] <Wikipedia-Gast60> because you're gay
[08:30] <juano__> watch it Wikipedia-Gast60
[08:30] <koli> can you help me with the sceen?
[08:31] <juano__> koli: hi there
[08:31] <koli> can someone help meeee
[08:31] <koli> hi
[08:31] <koli> juano_
[08:31] <juano__> koli: what seems to be the problem?
[08:31] <koli> i just installed kubuntu
[08:32] <koli> and when i updated the system the resolution came to 640
[08:32] <koli> now i cannot change it back
[08:32] <koli> there is only the 1024
[08:32] <OuT|aW> ok i hv dwnloaded the kubuntu now wat do i do huh
[08:32] <koli> i have a toshiba satellite a75 with 15.4 widescreen
[08:33] <escant32> hello j
[08:33] <barjoh10> hello
[08:33] <juano__> koli: have you tried editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:33] <koli> no
[08:34] <escant32> you see Carly lately
[08:34] <barjoh10> yeah
[08:34] <barjoh10> why
[08:34] <escant32> I like her alot
[08:34] <barjoh10> serious
[08:34] <juano__> koli: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and go to display section, you may want to add the resolution you want AND THAT monitor supports
[08:35] <juano__> koli: you want 1024x768?
[08:35] <escant32> but as a friend to the very end
[08:35] <koli> no i want 1280x800
[08:35] <juano__> koli: does your monitor support that?
[08:35] <barjoh10> i just hope so huh
[08:35] <koli> yes
[08:35] <juano__> koli: ok
[08:35] <juano__> koli: just a sec
[08:35] <koli> ok
[08:37] <escant32>  mi dulce nina nana nana
[08:37] <barjoh10> stop kiding
[08:38] <juano__> koli: try this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1328/
[08:38] <koli> ok i will thnx
[08:41] <koli> ok i will restart the x server now juano_ and let's see
[08:41] <juano__> koli: any luck?
[08:42] <koli> yep thnx a lot :D
[08:42] <juano__> koli: good :)
[08:42] <koli> there was a line there with some xxx and i deleted it
[08:42] <juano__> koli: ok, and you added resolution too?
[08:42] <koli> no it was there alredy
[08:43] <juano__> koli: ahh ok
[08:43] <koli> thanks man
[08:43] <koli> see ya
[08:43] <juano__> koli: no prob
[08:43] <juano__> koli: bye
[08:43] <koli> be
[08:43] <koli> :D bye
[08:44] <OuT|aW> bye
[08:44] <OuT|aW> ok anyone knows abt icmp bomber
[08:44] <OuT|aW> or should i say Ddosing
[08:44] <Xbehave> ive edited my kmenu, but id quite like to put the system setup shortcut thingy back in there is there anyway to do this?
[08:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:46] <OuT|aW> slow-motion : hallo
[08:46] <slow-motion> hi OuT|aW
[08:47] <binks> anyone no how i can get rid of 3 files in my home folder that when i right click delete complain file dont exist
[08:48] <fxr> how do i add a printer in kubuntu
[08:48] <trappist> binks: try from the console - rm filename
[08:49] <binks> cannot remove `267357s340202203026037270310t311nnn336': No such file or directory
[08:49] <binks> i dont no where the file came from
[08:49] <vge> fxr: have you tried plugging it in?
[08:49] <nightwatch> kopete can do voice chat?
[08:50] <binks> fxr system settings
[08:50] <fxr> yeah m just finding it now thanks binks..
[08:50] <binks> kmenu ststem settings
[08:50] <binks> nps
[08:50] <binks> trappist it errors the same
[08:51] <trappist> binks: I hate when that happens.  are you sure you typed it right, or did you use tab-completion?
[08:52] <trappist> binks: also, I see a bogus character in the filename
[08:52] <Xera> damn this is so annoying, kubuntu keeps mounting my psp as read-only, any way to fix this?
[08:52] <binks> i just did dir the copied
[08:52] <binks> then
[08:53] <trappist> binks: try rm 2673*
[08:53] <binks> highlight then ctr c then ctr v
[08:53] <Xera> binks, ctrl c in a terminal doesn't work
[08:53] <Xera> highlight it and right click->copy
[08:53] <binks> rm: cannot remove `2673*': No such file or directory
[08:53] <Xera> to paste is shift + insert
[08:53] <trappist> in X, generally hilight=copy and middle-click=paste
[08:54] <trappist> binks: I've run into that before.  I usually end up fixing, it, but it's been so long I can't remember how.  it's because of the bogus character in the filename.
[08:54] <Xera> damn this is so annoying, kubuntu keeps mounting my psp as read-only, any way to fix this? <<?? i need this fast, my uncle brought his laptop round so i could burn windows but he's leaving soon. HELP =(
[08:54] <binks> its because psp is ntfs isnt it
[08:54] <Xera> uh no idea
[08:54] <Xera> how do i check?
[08:55] <trappist> if the psp is ntfs you're out of luck
[08:55] <Xera> (it mounted fine a few days ago)
[08:55] <trappist> Xera: run 'mount'
[08:55] <trappist> oh then it's not ntfs
[08:55] <binks> cant you mount it like your windows dive
[08:55] <trappist> you could try sudo mount --remount -o rw /path/to/mount/point
[08:56] <trappist> or is it, sudo mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mount/point
[08:56] <Xera> mount: unrecognised option `--remount'
[08:56] <trappist> Xera: yeah, try the second one :)
[08:56] <Xera> jamie@jamie:/media/sdb1$ mkdir test
[08:56] <Xera> mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Permission denied
[08:56] <Xera> >:(
[08:57] <Xera> =o works as root
[08:57] <Xera> ^^
[08:57] <juano__> Xera
[08:57] <juano__> what you need to mount?
[08:57] <Xera> a psp
[08:57] <Xera> when kubuntu mounts it, it mounts it as ro.. but it's fixed now, i guess
[08:58] <Xera> root@jamie:/media/sdb1# konqueror .
[08:58] <Xera> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:58] <Xera> Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[08:58] <Xera> konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[08:58] <Xera> wth?
[08:59] <juano__> Xera: with rw it should work in your fstab line
[08:59] <tsdgeos> Xera: running konqueror as root is not a good idea
[08:59] <juano__> Xera: its good to run sudo mount -a after changing your fstab
[08:59] <Xera> juano__, i didn't add it to fstab
[08:59] <Xera> i mean, when i plug it in to the usb port it detects it and mounts it
[08:59] <juano__> Xera: ok
[08:59] <Bizzy> hey, someone gave me a link on "how to set up the perfect (k)ubuntu" yesterday, was about installing apache php and mysql right on a kubuntu server, does anyone have a link like that?
[09:00] <OuT|aW> anyone into hacking plz pm me thanks
[09:00] <Xera> root@jamie:/media/sdb1# rmdir backup
[09:00] <Xera> rmdir: backup: Read-only file system
[09:00] <Xera> god :(
[09:00] <juano__> Xera: is it mounted on vfat or ntfs?
[09:00] <Xera> i have no idea
[09:00] <Xera> ;s
[09:00] <juano__> Xera:  cat /etc/mtab
[09:01] <Xera> vfat
[09:01] <juano__> Xera: ro , or rw?
[09:01] <Xera> rw
[09:01] <bronze_0_1>  http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[09:01] <bronze_0_1> Bizzy:   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:01] <Bizzy> that was it
[09:01] <Bizzy> thanks
[09:01] <Bizzy> forgot to bookmark it
[09:02] <bronze_0_1> grep -i perfect Freenode-#kubuntu.log
[09:02] <Xera> OuT|aW, you realise hacking is not where you break into someone elses computer.. that's cracking
[09:02] <Bizzy> going kubuntu server on the new server at work
[09:02] <Bizzy> we only ever set up fedora servers before
[09:02] <bronze_0_1> Bizzy: Good Luck
[09:02] <Xera> Bizzy, you could just follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:02] <Bizzy> but i have moral objections to fedora now, they piss me off
[09:03] <bronze_0_1> Bizzy: There's always Centos
[09:03] <Xera> apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5
[09:03] <Bizzy> Xera: i need to be able to set up everything you would need on a shared web host server
[09:03] <matthew> ok, here we go! I'm trying to use kppd to access a serial modem (Phoebe V1456VOE) and use that to access the internet. My problem is that after I make/configure an account in kppd, I'm not able to put in a username nor a password...any ideas?
[09:03] <Xera> Bizzy, oh ok
[09:04] <Xera> juano__, any ideas?
[09:04] <Bizzy> our 4th and 5th shared www servers arive on monday, im setting them both up
[09:04] <juano__> Xera: user,noauto 0 0  --> add these options to your psp fstab line and then sudo mount -a
[09:04] <Xera> ffs does anything work in root?!
[09:04] <Xera> root@jamie:/media/sdb1/backup# kate /etc/fstab
[09:04] <Xera> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:04] <Xera> Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[09:04] <Xera> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.
[09:04] <Xera> >:(
[09:04] <juano__> Xera: or mtab line
[09:04] <matthew> !pastebin | Xera
[09:04] <ubotu> Xera: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:05] <bronze_0_1> Bizzy: On the other hand learning K/Ubuntu is a goos thing too :)
[09:05] <bronze_0_1> *good
[09:05] <Xera> matthew, a pastebin for a few lines? noty ;p
[09:05] <bronze_0_1> Xera: Freenode policy seems to be don't paste in the channels
[09:06] <juano__> Xera: i think you got something wrong if you cant kate /etc/fstab
[09:06] <Xera> freenodes' policy is stupid anyway
[09:06] <balint> Hello! wich is the "best" email program for kubuntu? i mean wich one has the most available settings... for example spam filter, custom filter rules... (like in outlook)
[09:06] <Xera> juano__, it works in sudo but not in root ;/
[09:06] <bronze_0_1> Xera: use "xhosts +"  to allow root access to the X-Display when logged in a non-root user
[09:06] <matthew> Xera, sorry...my bad....
[09:06] <Bizzy> bronze_0_1: well, i use kubuntu on my personal home server, but i didnt really pay attention to any security setup, since its local network only
[09:06] <juano__> Xera: use gksudo kate /etc/fstab
[09:07] <bronze_0_1> Bizzy: Ja, I'm dorta doing that to.
[09:07] <Xera> i don't have gksudo lol
[09:07] <Tm_T> balint: Kmail, use it alone or as part of Kontact
[09:07] <Xera> bronze_0_1, wha?
[09:07] <juano__> !gksudo | Xera
[09:07] <ubotu> Xera: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using "sudo <GUI-application>"
[09:07] <balint> Tm_T: and what about mozilla thunderbird?
[09:07] <fxr> how necessary is it to run a firewall with ubuntu.. how important is it?
[09:08] <Xera> Package gksudo is not available, but is referred to by another package. his may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or s only available from another source : Package gksudo has no installation candidate. nice xD
[09:08] <matthew> oh, whoops, I"m not using kppd, I'm using kppp
[09:08] <bronze_0_1> Xera if you are not logged in as root, but attempt to use a subshell/command with root privs, it will not be able to access the X-Display unless you first issue the "xhosts +" command
[09:08] <Xera> bronze_0_1, xhosts command not found
[09:08] <Xera> more stuff to install?
[09:08] <bronze_0_1> Xera: Boy, you got nothin'...
[09:08] <bronze_0_1> Does "ls" workj? :-)
[09:08] <Xera> lol
[09:08] <Xera> yes.. xD
[09:09] <juano__> bronze_0_1: lol, install more packages Xera
[09:09] <Xera> Ionly have 8 gb for linux, since windows takes the other 70
[09:09] <Xera> _._
[09:09] <Xera> I only*
[09:09] <Tm_T> balint: I find Kmail better in my use, try them both and use what you like.
[09:09] <Bizzy> both kubuntu and windows have 250gb each on this pc
[09:10] <Bizzy> sata2 drives too
[09:10] <blekos> hi,  how can i add a network icon on the taskbar?
[09:10] <Xera> Bizzy, well lucky you
[09:10] <Xera> xD
[09:10] <Bizzy> just got a new job, so decided to bump total hdd storage to 800gb
[09:10] <Xera> *jaw drops*
[09:11] <Xera> umount: /media/sdb1: device is busy ........................................
[09:11] <Xera> nothing is accessing it..
[09:12] <Xera> oh and btw we have a problem juano__, the psp's /dev thingy changes every time i plug it in
[09:12] <Bizzy> replacing my 120 and my 160 with 320s soon, should bump me to 1.14tb
[09:12] <Xera> ok you may stop bragging now
[09:12] <Tumppi-`> forwarding fxr:s question, I'd also like to know if it's important to use firewall while using kubuntu
[09:13] <juano__> Xera: mmm..., you should have it in fstab
[09:13] <juano__> anyone know why kmail cant send mail?? its not ISP cause thunderbird works fine: smtp.gmail.com port 465 (tried 587) PLAIN TLS
[09:13] <Xera> last time it was sdb1, now it's sdc1
[09:13] <Tido> does linux have a different mentality towards RAM usage?
[09:13] <XVampireX> stdin: Did you get to play with aznv a bit more?
[09:14] <Tido> because when I'm doing my normal thing with stuff open, I use up pretty much all of my RAM
[09:14] <XVampireX> Tido: Sure :P
[09:14] <Tido> but linux seems to still run fine regardless
[09:14] <fxr> from: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333419&highlight=need+firewall
[09:14] <fxr> default Ubuntu install (this is not true of all Linux distros) doesn't need an active firewall because it has no listening services that an intruder could try and connect to.
[09:14] <Xera> mmhm
[09:14] <XVampireX> It uses the ram that you're not using as cache
[09:14] <Xera> because windows is rubbish with ram
[09:14] <XVampireX> Check this out
[09:14] <Tido> oh, so that figure of ram usage isn't actually what's going on
[09:15] <XVampireX> Mem:    255796k total,   251952k used,     3844k free,     9860k buffers
[09:15] <matthew> never mind, I figured it out...for those interested, I didn't specify which modem to use...bleagh
[09:15] <XVampireX> Tido: Exactly
[09:15] <Tido> is there a way to figure what linux is actually using?
[09:15] <Xera> i had windows xp running in vmware with photoshop cs2, and a load of linux apps running. no lagg
[09:15] <juano__> Tido: you can manually configure SWAP partition (virtual memory) it gives a separate partition for it which makes it more efficient
[09:16] <XVampireX> Tido: Yeah, in kubuntu you can use sysguard
[09:16] <XVampireX> ksysguard^
[09:16] <Tido> yeah I have a seperate partition for swap
[09:16] <Xera> juano__, got it mounted, still no write access
[09:16] <XVampireX> or you can use htop (sudo apt-get install htop)
[09:16] <XVampireX> which is a really nice task manager for the console
[09:17] <juano__> Xera: try chmod +w /pspmountdir
[09:17] <juano__> Xera: try sudo chmod +w /pspmountdir
[09:17] <Tido> also, is it common on linux to run so many processes?
[09:17] <Tido> currently I'm running 100
[09:17] <Tumppi-`> fxr: Thats nice to know, and I would assume it goes for kubuntu as well. I've had firestarter until now and I had no idea it was just GUI for the built-in "firewall" :)
[09:17] <Tido> if I saw that on a windows machine I'd freak
[09:17] <XVampireX> Tido: They are background tasks that idle until they are needed, you shouldn't worry about them
[09:18] <Tido> also is there a way to disable bluetooth? this laptop doesn't have any bt adapters
[09:18] <Xera> jamie@jamie:/media$ sudo chmod +w /media/sdc1 chmod: changing permissions of `/media/sdc1: Read-only file system
[09:18] <juano__> anyone know why kmail cant send mail?? its not ISP cause thunderbird works fine: smtp.gmail.com port 465 (tried 587) PLAIN TLS
[09:18] <Tido> and I don't see the sense in running these processes for it
[09:18] <XVampireX> Tido: I didn't have bluetooth turned on here when I installed it so I don't know
[09:18] <XVampireX> Tido: They are kernel processes
[09:19] <Tido> k
[09:19] <Xera> gay thing about kubuntu(and other distros?) is you can't uninstall the software that comes on it
[09:19] <XVampireX> They don't take any meaningful system resources
[09:19] <XVampireX> You can
[09:19] <Xera> e.g you can't remove amaroK or konversation
[09:19] <XVampireX> You can
[09:19] <Xera> it says it will remove a load of other programs with it
[09:20] <XVampireX> They are dependencies, you can remove them via dpkg, not apt-get
[09:20] <HymnToLife> Xera, get Debian :)
[09:20] <XVampireX> do sudo dpkg -r packagename
[09:20] <XVampireX> I don't know why you'd want to uninstall them though
[09:20] <kowa> moin moin
[09:21] <fxr> yeah, Tumppi, seems we have one less thing to worry about ; )
[09:22] <blekos> anybody knows how i can change the KDM theme?
[09:22] <Xera> i shall give up in a minute xD
[09:22] <Tido> also, I think the term 'linux is really stable' can be misleading.  Yeah 'linux' is, but not all of these programs are :x
[09:22] <XVampireX> Synaptic and Adept are frontends to apt, not dpkg, and apt is a frontend to dpkg, they saw a need to handle dependencies
[09:22] <Xera> i need my 1gb mem stick to transfer the .iso to my uncles lapyop :<
[09:22] <Xera> laptop*
[09:22] <XVampireX> Tido: Don't use cutting edge software if you are looking for stable
[09:23] <blekos> ihave kde but use synaptic, is that a problem??
[09:23] <XVampireX> No
[09:23] <Xera> blekos, nop
[09:23] <XVampireX> I wish they would actually use synaptic instead of adept, adept is silly
[09:23] <XVampireX> It's no more helpful than just doing everything manually
[09:23] <Xera> adept is so slow
[09:24] <XVampireX> Yes
[09:24] <Xera> ahhhhhhhh i neeeeeeed windows(yes i know i said it :'()!! no CS without it :(
[09:25] <Tumppi-`> fxr, actually it seems that doing nothing is not enough, "The default Ubuntu install leaves iptables in its default state of allowing averything. You need to take positive action in order to have the firewall block anything"
[09:26] <Tumppi-`> pretty confusing topic, since this guy says we need to do something and the other guy says we don't :P
[09:27] <Xera> why on earth do you want a firewall for linux? ;)
[09:27] <XVampireX> Xera: CS = Counter Strike? If so, I see alot of people playing CS via wine just fine
[09:27] <Xera> XVampireX, Radeon 9250 doesn't have any half decent drivers for linux
[09:27] <Tumppi-`> well I have no idea how the system works, although not as vulnerable as windows, can someone just start doing stuff with my computer without my permission? =)
[09:27] <Xera> so i have 1fps in ogl
[09:27] <Bizzy> because contrary to popular belief, linux is very hackable, people just dont do it, becuase there is no criminal proffit
[09:28] <Xera> Bizzy, lies
[09:28] <Xera> =p
[09:28] <Bizzy> its actualy, in theory, more vulnerable than windows
[09:28] <Xera> no?
[09:28] <Xera> xD
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> but what if they don't even have the root password?
[09:28] <Kyral> Bizzy: The open source nature also prevents it
[09:28] <Xera> no damn viruses, root protection(virusses can't get the root password)
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> how could they do something
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> keylog?
[09:28] <Bizzy> no
[09:28] <Bizzy> the open source nature just covers over bugs faster
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> is keylogging possible without root password in the first place?
[09:28] <Bizzy> (notice i said covers over, not closes)
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> linux is hacked alot
[09:28] <Xera> Bizzy, no?..
[09:29] <Kyral> Tumppi-`: JDong once told me a story involving Mitnick where Mitnick used GCC to gain root
[09:29] <xenophile7x7> but its holes are fixed quicker
[09:29] <xenophile7x7> and there are alot mroe windows machines than linux machines
[09:29] <Bizzy> Xera: in open source, the entry point is usualy closed, the bug its self still remains
 but its holes are fixed quicker
 and there are alot mroe windows machines than linux machines
[09:29] <Bizzy> see
[09:29] <Bizzy> someone actualy gets it
[09:29] <Bizzy> someone has more than a single brain cel
[09:29] <Xera> well, you think every 1000 or so people that look at the source and just close the entry point?
[09:29] <Xera> i doubt it
[09:30] <xenophile7x7> lol, im still learnin linux, but i do understand the security world
[09:30] <Xera> - and
[09:30] <XVampireX> Xera: True that
[09:30] <Tumppi-`> well what is a new user to do to stop people getting onto my comp?
[09:30] <XVampireX> In the future bugs will be non existant, I hope
[09:30] <Bizzy> Xera: firefox have fixed about 10% of the bugs they claim to have fixed, the rest have just had the point of entry closed
[09:31] <XVampireX> If the theory that more users = more bug reports + more developers = more fixes/faster/better
[09:31] <xenophile7x7> tummpi: dont connect it to the internet :P
[09:31] <Xera> hmm, think if i put my mem stick duo pro into my phone it'll let me write?
[09:31] <Tumppi-`> haha, thats just bad :P
[09:31] <Tumppi-`> I need internet
[09:31] <Xera> because my phone uses mem stick duo pro, and i can write to that
[09:31] <Tumppi-`> "need"
[09:32] <Xera> lol
[09:32] <fxr> so is this quote tru or not? "Unless you install a listening service sudh as an SSH server or web server, your machine will not accept incoming connections so cannot be got at. As soon as you install a service that listens for incoming connections, you need to review your firewall needs."
[09:33] <Bizzy> XVampireX: also, in theory, more users == more hardware combo's and more software combos, and windows is payware, so they have corporate responsibility.. i work for a big company, and i know security better than most OSS people who think they know security, you cant just patch something and say "there it is" you need to make sure your not breaking other stuff by fixing this problem
[09:33] <Tumppi-`> well my firestarter keeps saying its blocking something, so I quess not everythings coming through?
[09:33] <xenophile7x7> tummpi, generally speaking, use common sense (stay off the porn sites, avoid the #warez rooms, etc) and you should be pretty safe. youcould also use a router with a builtin firewall
[09:33] <xenophile7x7> strong passwords, good infosec, all that crap
[09:34] <xenophile7x7> and start learnign your OS so you can identify security issues and correct them
[09:34] <Xera> aww no porn? :'(
[09:34] <XVampireX> Bizzy: What's your point? Haven't got any problems  here with security ;)
[09:34] <xenophile7x7> lol, just no porn sites. theres a diff ;)
[09:34] <Xera> XVampireX, only security issue i have is my php coding  ;p
[09:34] <fdoving> fxr: basically, yes.
[09:35] <XVampireX> Bizzy: Responsibility shmansibility, all microsoft got is money, they got no guts, all they do is illegal
[09:35] <Tumppi-`> I Am using common sense (at least somewhat :P), got a firewalled router (But don't really count on it on this matter)
[09:36] <Xera> microsoft is a monopoly
[09:36] <fxr> what way do my p2p programs work then? do there automatically open ports in the built in firewall during their install?
[09:36] <Xera> they control the market
[09:36] <Tumppi-`> but learning os takes time
[09:36] <xenophile7x7> actually, even the microsoft EULA is technically illegal
[09:36] <fxr> *there = they
[09:36] <Tumppi-`> a lot of time
[09:36] <XVampireX> And don't get me started on 100 thousands of viruses and worms and what not
[09:36] <Tido> if I owned a business, had a monopoly, and could control the market, I would :p
[09:36] <Xera> lol
[09:36] <Xera> it's illegal
[09:36] <Tido> so?
[09:36] <XVampireX> Very much so
[09:36] <Xera> ms has been sued quite a few times for it
[09:36] <Tido> again, so?
[09:36] <Xera> you want to lose all your cash?
[09:36] <Xera> ^^'
[09:37] <XVampireX> By the way
[09:37] <Tido> has m$?
[09:37] <XVampireX> !offtopic
[09:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:37] <fdoving> fxr: the clue is, there is no firewall, when you start a p2p program, you open listening ports.
[09:37] <Xera> Tido, yes.. now we should move from this chan
[09:37] <xenophile7x7> tumppi: then your pretty ok, for the most part. now i suggest just readin up on whichever linux your using, and learnin it as best you can
[09:37] <XVampireX> Mostly people here are trying to fix things they need problems with right now we're discussing politics
[09:37] <Xera> before ubotu gets angry >:(
[09:37] <Tido> yeah np
 actually, even the microsoft EULA is technically illegal << and the GPL isnt a free licence, which it is legaly listed as
[09:37] <Xera> !anything
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:37] <Bizzy> which makes the GPL illegal
[09:38] <todd_> Wondering if anyone can help me with an authentication problem?
[09:38] <xenophile7x7> bizzy:hmmm...wasnt aware of that
[09:38] <XVampireX> And just so you know #ubuntu-offtopic seems to be a bit more active than #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:38] <Bizzy> same thing goes for both, nobody really knows or cares about it
[09:38] <fdoving> todd_: what's the problem?
[09:38] <blekos> i think few comps were not installad in kde (i isntalled it from gnome), if i use the KDE pkg from synaptics is that ok?
[09:38] <todd_> I need to log into the USPTO website
[09:38] <todd_> I used to use firefox on XP
[09:38] <Tumppi-`> so the safest way would be closing all the ports you don't need, and open only the ones using? or at least one part of the safe routine?
[09:38] <todd_> I have authentication codes from the Patent Office
[09:38] <Xera> root@jamie:/media/sdc1# ls Windows XP to Media Center Edition 2005 Converter.iso
[09:39] <Xera> i copy one file and all the others dissapear?
[09:39] <Xera> xD
[09:39] <xenophile7x7> tumppi: also if you have any special needs for security, like you have important info at home (youdont work for the VA do you? :P ) then you could pick upsome security books, like the Hacking Exposed series, to learn more abotu how youc an be hacked/compromised, and ways to prevent it
[09:39] <todd_> And want to use Linux and Kubuntu: I like it so far
[09:39] <Xera> oh shi- what size is the windows iso normally
[09:39] <Xera> ?
[09:39] <Xera> i think i downloaded some other rubbish :X
[09:39] <fdoving> todd_: konqueror doesn't handle the site? you can install firefox on kubuntu too.
[09:40] <fdoving> Xera: OFFTOPIC!
[09:40] <todd_> I installed firefox but it doesn't work
[09:40] <todd_> I mean firefox works
[09:40] <fdoving> todd_: it doesn't start?
[09:40] <todd_> but I cannot login
[09:40] <fdoving> ok.
[09:40] <Xera> fdoving, :(
[09:40] <Tumppi-`> xenophile, all I'm afraid of losing, is mainly my passwords for websites and such. And of course, man has to care about his privacy :P
[09:40] <todd_> I have this *.epf code
[09:40] <fdoving> todd_: you can give opera a try.
[09:41] <todd_> and when I paste it into the login box, it hangs
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> lol of course ;)
[09:41] <XVampireX> todd_: What do you need exactly?
[09:41] <fdoving> !opera | todd_
[09:41] <ubotu> todd_: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> basics, like a good firewall, should be fine. just shut down everythign thats not needed
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> use strong passwords
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> all that jazz
[09:41] <Tumppi-`> And if I block the ports not used, no-one can get to my computer, right? =P
[09:42] <todd_> I am not sure, but I think I need to install JRE into firefox but am having trouble finding it in Adept or Synaptic
[09:42] <Tido> todd_: try automatix
[09:42] <fdoving> todd_: ah, you might need java.
[09:42] <fdoving> !java | todd_
[09:42] <ubotu> todd_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[09:42] <fdoving> Tido: we don't recommend automatix.
[09:42] <Tido> oh
[09:42] <fdoving> !automatix | tido
[09:42] <ubotu> tido: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:42] <Tido> nvm todd, automatix sucks
[09:42] <Tido> lol
[09:43] <todd_> thanks for the help!  p.s. this was my first IRC and you folks are great.
[09:43] <todd_> bye
[09:43] <xenophile7x7> tumppi: not necessarily. they just cant get into it as easily. it limits whaty they can do. IE if you dont run an ftp, and close the ftp port, they have a much slimmer chance of using ftp or ftp exploits to access yoru box
[09:44] <xenophile7x7> tumppi, it doesnt 100% guarantee your security. it just helps enormously
[09:45] <phobiac> When I have kopete and ktorrent running at the same time, my internet often kicks out and I have to disable and re-enable my connection. It's a 100 mbit wired connection too, it should be able to handle this. Anyone have any ideas for what I can do?
[09:45] <harris> is there a gui program that will allow me to edit my usplash file?
[09:46] <fdoving> !usplash | harris
[09:46] <ubotu> harris: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[09:46] <Tumppi-`> alright, I think I'm safe for now then =) It's good to know, that you really can't be too cautious, even when usin linux =)
[09:46] <Tumppi-`> Enormous thanks for the helps and all  =)
[09:47] <harris> thanks a lot fdoving i will try that out now!!!!
[09:49] <fdoving> you're welcome harris. :)
[09:49] <MacNorthXP> binks! you hider
[09:50] <harris> fdoving: the command that you gave me updates the usplash file?
[09:51] <fdoving> harris: I suggest reading the howto.
[09:51] <fdoving> harris: the one at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[09:51] <Xera> f*ck it i'll wait for dell to send me the damn cds :(
[09:51] <fdoving> !languauge | xera
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languauge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <fdoving> !language | xera
[09:51] <ubotu> xera: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:51] <fdoving> there..
[09:51] <esaym> anyone have any idea about how I can get real time server uptime stats listed on my webpage?
[09:52] <gdiebel> Xera: why do you need dell cds?
[09:52] <harris> i've actually come across it on the net previous to comming in here. but it doesn't have a lot of information in regards to edgy
[09:53] <harris> from what i gather i construct a theme and use the command you gave me to use the theme i made to replace the existing usplash?
[09:53] <fdoving> harris: correct, you need to update the init-ramfs with your new usplash theme,
[09:53] <Tido> esaym: http://www.rohitab.com/discuss/lofiversion/index.php/t14144.html
[09:54] <esaym> thank you
[09:54] <harris> ok, is there a gui program that will add me in constructing the new theme?
[09:54] <esaym> I also just found this: http://www.wwwsearchsolutions.com/server_info.php
[09:55] <harris> or can i just use any .png picture
[09:55] <esaym> not sure if I can work it into a web page though
[09:55] <fdoving> harris: i belive you can make your own pictures, probably need to convert them somehow, doesn't the howto say anything about that?`(i'm not into graphics and desgin at all).
[09:56] <MaxDamage`> hey all
[09:57] <harris> not in regards to edgy... but I assume then that it would be the same as the way you would do it with dapper.
[09:57] <fdoving> harris: this might help too: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Change_Usplash
[09:57] <fdoving> harris: .. looks like it's mentioning breezy.. might be outdated too.
[09:57] <MaxDamage``> okay dudes, i got a problem - i can't enable direct rendering on ati radeon 9200 SE
[09:58] <harris> one last question (sorry to bug you) in the command you gave me: "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" what part of it do i replace my file with?
[09:59] <harris> or in other words to i enter my filename into
[10:00] <fdoving> harris: no idea, this might help a little too: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=275317
[10:00] <fxr> MaxDamage theres plenty of info in the ubuntu forums.. on that.. i had same problem...
[10:00] <fxr> how far along are you..?
[10:00] <MaxDamage``> 
[10:00] <MaxDamage``> oh**
[10:00] <harris> cool thanks a lot for all your help fdoving I really appreciate it!!!!!
[10:00] <harris> much respect!
[10:01] <MaxDamage``> okay i'll search the forums then =)
[10:01] <fdoving> you're welcome harris.
[10:03] <MaxDamage``> uh, can anyone give me a link to the forums?
[10:03] <MaxDamage``> i can't seem to find them
[10:04] <phobiac> Max: The ubuntu forums?
[10:04] <MaxDamage``> yeah
[10:04] <phobiac> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:04] <phobiac> Google is your friend man :P
[10:04] <MaxDamage``> thanks :)
[10:04] <MaxDamage``> i know
[10:05] <MaxDamage``> just went there and you gave a link
[10:05] <phobiac> Oh lol
[10:07] <barjoh10> hello
[10:09] <MaxDamage``> hi barjoh10 :)
[10:09] <barjoh10> hi maxdamage
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> how's it goin :R
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> :P **
[10:10] <house> hi everybody.. can somebody tell me how to downgrade xorg in edgy to 6.9? is it possible at all?
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> i cant type today... :D
[10:10] <barjoh10> well fine:)
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> glad to hear :p
[10:10] <barjoh10> why
[10:10] <Anakin> hello I changed my root password and now when I try to run adept manager it says incorrect password even if I type the old password !
[10:11] <barjoh10> why u cant type
[10:11] <MaxDamage``> Anakin, change it again :p
[10:11] <MaxDamage``> barjoh10: im just kinda nerveous :D
[10:11] <phobiac> Anakin, do you know what you changed it to?
[10:11] <barjoh10> oh now its anakin
[10:11] <Anakin> phobiac: I do
[10:12] <phobiac> And you've tried using that new pass? Maybe you're typing it wrong?
[10:12] <Anakin> do I have to restart KDE ??
[10:12] <barjoh10> y r u nervous
[10:12] <Anakin> no chance to type it wrong
[10:12] <MaxDamage``> i have no idea
[10:12] <phobiac> That could be possible.
[10:12] <MaxDamage``> too much coffee i guess :/
[10:12] <barjoh10> hahahah
[10:13] <Anakin> ahh...it works...I've changed it again
[10:13] <Anakin> :)
[10:13] <barjoh10> what r u doing right now
[10:13] <house> somebody pls help a noob (me)
[10:14] <barjoh10> hey max damage
[10:14] <phobiac> house, what do you need?
[10:15] <barjoh10> iam talking to u
[10:15] <notech> house: why would you want to downgrade xorg?
[10:17] <house> i have a problem with trident video driver in current xorg - tv out is broken in this driver.. the only driver that has a working tv-out is a patched via driver by blackfive, but this driver is for ild xfree86 and it crashes in new modular xorg, even after recompiling.. i need a way to use an old driver in xorg
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <house> afaik, the latest xorg that used monolithyc drivers was 6.9
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:18] <barjoh10> hi
[10:18] <Tm_T> :o
[10:18] <Tm_T> fdoving: What's that % there? Can't remember seen that thing berofe.
[10:18] <fdoving> Tm_T: it's mute.
[10:19] <Tm_T> fdoving: Isn't ban itself muting?
[10:19] <fdoving> like.. 'ban to +m only'
[10:19] <fdoving> it allows him to be in the channel, just not say anything.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Just like regular ban IIRC.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Kick is separate.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Hmm, but maybe it's different here in Freenode.
[10:20] <fdoving> with this ban, he can rejoin.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Ah, ok.
[10:20] <MaxDamage``> alright then, that was useful to know :p
[10:20] <fdoving> freenode is different.. lots of special stuff. not like the good old ircu2.x :)
[10:20] <MaxDamage``> good to tease little noobies :D
[10:20] <MaxDamage``> no, dont ban meh.. :p
[10:21] <Tm_T> fdoving: Yup, I'm too used to IRCnet...
[10:21] <firecrotch> Is there a way to see what version of *buntu is installed, from the command line?
[10:21] <barjoh10> fdoving f&^(&^ u & ur ban
[10:21] <blekos> hello, in system  asettings->disk & file systems  when i click admin mode, it doesnt ask me 4 psswd
[10:21] <blekos> so i cant do any changes
[10:21] <fdoving> firecrotch: 'lsb_release -a'
[10:21] <phobiac> Okay. I'm having some problems with my internet connection. Having kopete and ktorrent running at the same time quickly knocks it out.
[10:21] <firecrotch> fdoving: thanks
[10:22] <barjoh10> ***ban fdoving
[10:22] <Tm_T> barjoh10: What's your problem?
[10:22] <fdoving> barjoh10: flooding the channel with random crap is not nice. please don't.
[10:22] <phobiac> Anyone have any idea for what I can do? The upload/download rate for ktorrent rarely gets about 10 kp/s
[10:22] <barjoh10> wat u mean
[10:22] <M_Fatih> i want to hide sidebars in quanta.. i can't find where i do that.. i want to hide these : http://imaj.at/5923 how can i do that?
[10:22] <firecrotch> fdoving: what about seeing if it's the server version or the normal install?
[10:22] <tony__> how can i stop and restart apache2 ??? thanks
[10:23] <barjoh10> hey but u dont pay any mind
[10:23] <firecrotch> tony__: sudo apache2ctl stop
[10:23] <fdoving> firecrotch: don't belive there is a command for that.. you can check what kernel you're using. 'uname -a'
[10:23] <Tm_T> barjoh10: Six times repeating same line is usually considered as not too wise doing.
[10:23] <barjoh10> hello zamber
[10:23] <barjoh10> swoorry
[10:23] <barjoh10> Ibeg pardon
[10:23] <barjoh10> serious
[10:23] <Tm_T> Np, just learn your mistakes. :)
[10:24] <fdoving> tony__: as firecrotch says.. or 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart' (stop, start and more works too).
[10:24] <tony__> thanks guys
[10:24] <fabrizio> ragazzi.. ciao!!
[10:24] <Zamber> hey barjoh10
[10:24] <barjoh10> will u forgive me
[10:24] <Tm_T> !it
[10:24] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:24] <MaxDamage``> oh i got another question
[10:24] <firecrotch> fdoving: Does the server version use a different kernel?
[10:24] <MaxDamage``> where can I check my lan card connection?
[10:24] <MaxDamage``> 10/100 mbps?
[10:24] <barjoh10> hey zamberwere are u from
[10:24] <fdoving> firecrotch: yes, i belive it does.
[10:25] <Tm_T> barjoh10: Sure, remember that we're not mean, just try to keep huge masses in nice and tidy chat.
[10:25] <fdoving> barjoh10: for random chatter please use #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel, and we try to keep it on that topic.
[10:25] <barjoh10> alright thanks
[10:25] <firecrotch> fdoving: okay, it looks like I may have to slap my hosting company with a trout
[10:26] <barjoh10> thank fdoving i was waiting for that topic
[10:26] <Tm_T> firecrotch: Don't or you have greenpeace after you, use baseball bat.
[10:26] <firecrotch> haha
[10:27] <MaxDamage``> so anyone know how to check my connection speed to the network?
[10:27] <MaxDamage``> 10 or 100 mbps?
[10:27] <MaxDamage``> i forgot the command... :/
[10:28] <fdoving> MaxDamage``: mii-diag or mii-tool
[10:28] <MaxDamage``> thanks
[10:29] <MaxDamage``> eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
[10:29] <MaxDamage``> everything's okay then :)
[10:29] <MaxDamage``> thanks
[10:29] <maseeee> how do i get my WPA connection working on wirelses lan on kubuntu?
[10:30] <fdoving> maseeee: i recommend installing kwlan from the universe repository.
[10:30] <fdoving> !wpa | maseeee
[10:30] <ubotu> maseeee: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:30] <maseeee> well
[10:30] <maseeee> i cant get to the internet on kubuntu
[10:30] <maseeee> so how am i suppose to get them
[10:31] <morghanphoenix> how do you locate a specific package name, say the ssh server that I need to let my wife's windows computer connect to mine using winscp?
[10:31] <phobiac> maseeee: No way for you to get a wired connection for long enough to get the package?
[10:32] <maseeee> phobiac: well i need something to get it working with WPA, if i need to download that to fix my WPA, how am i going to do that ? o_O
[10:32] <maseeee> oh i have something called wpa_supllicant installed
[10:32] <maseeee> maybe that'll help.
[10:33] <fdoving> maseeee: that'll do. see the wpasupplicant section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[10:33] <maseeee> ok thanks man
[10:33] <slow-motion> n8
[10:33] <maseeee> ill try it out
[10:34] <MaxDamage``> !ati
[10:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:34] <MaxDamage``> thanks :p
[10:35] <tony__> sorry for asking this stupid question . but how can i modify PHP config file ????
[10:35] <MaxDamage``> open with kate
[10:35] <MaxDamage``> and do as you please :p
[10:35] <maseeee> neg
[10:35] <maseeee> open it with PICO
[10:36] <todd_> Can anyone suggest a starting point so I can set up my laptop and desktop to perform like GoToMyPC?
[10:36] <tony__> thanks , but where is php config located ??
[10:36] <fdoving> tony__: web php or php-cli?
[10:37] <tony__> installed php5. and script that i running needs the php curl to be On.
[10:37] <fdoving> tony__: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[10:37] <tony__> thanks
[10:40] <todd_> Is anyone familiar with SSH and how to set it up?
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> im installing the binary drivers now...
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> im a little scared though
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> when i did that on 5.10
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> X didnt wanna start
[10:42] <fxr> are you using the 8.28.x ati drivers MaxDamage?
[10:42] <koli> hi all
[10:42] <koli> how can i change my login theme
[10:43] <MaxDamage``> well yeah
[10:43] <MaxDamage``> they came with the kubuntu installation
[10:44] <MaxDamage``> is there any problem? :/
[10:46] <fxr> no their fine.. work here..  anyhoo : )
[10:46] <koli> hellooo
[10:46] <koli> can anyone help me
[10:47] <Black> Hi
[10:49] <Black> Can anyone please explain to me why my PC restarts half of the time when I try to start Ubuntu or Kubuntu is this a known issue)
[10:50] <Black> Can anyone please explain to me why my PC restarts half of the time when I try to start Ubuntu or Kubuntu is this a known issue?*
[10:50] <fxr> koli i think ur looking for Kpersonalizer
[10:50] <koli> ok  fxr
[10:51] <koli> and then what fxr???
[10:51] <MaxDamage``> fxr, im installing the drivers...
[10:51] <Black> Im sure my problem can be fixed in the bios somewhere but I do not no which setting to change
[10:51] <MaxDamage``> and im kinda scared it wont run after that
[10:51] <MaxDamage``> what should I do if X doesnt start? :(
[10:52] <Black> anyone???
[10:52] <MaxDamage``> Black, I don't think it's a known issue
[10:53] <Black> ok.
[10:53] <fxr> koli if you restart kde, u should get a personalize wizard...
[10:53] <hatta> look through your logs and try to find out what it's doing when it reboots
[10:53] <hatta> more information = more help
[10:54] <fxr> MaxDamage you should be ok with the drivers.. u can restart in recovery mode...
[10:54] <Black> Yes ill do that
[10:54] <fxr> have you edited you xorg.cong yet...?
[10:54] <fxr> thats where my problems started..
[10:54] <Black> me??....
[10:54] <Black> no
[10:54] <MaxDamage``> yes i did
[10:55] <MaxDamage``> now im installing the debian packages
[10:55] <Black> I*m about to install it even happens with the live cd
[10:55] <MaxDamage``> and i think it's done
[10:55] <Black> so  im sure it|s a bios problem
[10:56] <Black> I\ll just try to run the installation
[10:56] <MaxDamage``> Black
[10:56] <MaxDamage``> describe exactly
[10:56] <MaxDamage``> what you are doing
[10:57] <MaxDamage``> btw, fxr, what should i do when i go to recovery mode?
[10:57] <MaxDamage``> restore the xorg.conf?
[10:58] <Black> i\ve allready installed ubuntu once, but I thought it was kind of strange that I kept getting the errors so I\m about to reinstall
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> reinstall at will )
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> :)
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> fxr, another question:
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> now see Modifying xorg.conf. Skip the "lrm-manager" and "depmod" commands.
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> how can I do that?
[10:58] <fxr> aye.. MaxDamage.. that bailed me out a few times..
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> just put a # infront of them?
[10:59] <fxr> aye..
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> yeah saved my skin 10 times now :D
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> kk
[10:59] <Black> but It\t happens with the live cd too so It\s something in the bios
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> i don't believe the problem is that deep, Black
[10:59] <fxr> what how to u using.. and m not expert here.. m just going through my experiences of installing said driver..
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> maybe faulty hardware
[10:59] <Black> ok
[10:59] <Black> I\ll do a reinstall
[11:00] <MaxDamage``> okay
[11:00] <Black> It doesn\t happen when I try to boot win
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Black, do you have your BIOS boot sequence set to cdrom for the live cd to boot first ?
[11:01] <MaxDamage``> fxr, it doesnt find the lines in xorg.conf
[11:02] <fxr> let me see, what how to you using fella...?
[11:02] <fxr> linkage..
[11:02] <MaxDamage``> oh cancel that
[11:02] <MaxDamage``> i got it :)
[11:03] <sleepy343> !hidden
[11:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[11:03] <MaxDamage``> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[11:04] <MaxDamage``> what the hell?
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> fxr, im rebooting
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> i just hope my system doesnt s#@t up
[11:07] <fxr> good luck fella
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> thanks :)
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> my heartbeat increased :D
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> rebooting :)
[11:11] <MaxDamage``> YES!
[11:11] <MaxDamage``> i did it!
[11:12] <maseeee> does kubuntu come with madwifi?
[11:12] <MaxDamage``> i didn't f#@k up the system
[11:12] <MaxDamage``> this calls for a celebration
[11:12] <BluesKaj> ^5 s
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> fxr: thanks dude! :)
[11:13] <BluesKaj> whoa bulgarian beer ...sounds poisonous :)
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> it is :D
[11:13] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> where are you from?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Canada
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> heh
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> and how do you know of bulgarian beer? :p
[11:14] <fxr> hahah happy days sorted then.. my from derry in northern ireland..
[11:14] <BluesKaj> I don't ...it just sounds that way :)
[11:14] <fxr> bulgar beer?
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> oh :P
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> well this 2 liter bottle costs me .. about 1 eur
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:14] <BluesKaj> are u in bulgaria , MaxDamage ?
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> yes! :p
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> \m/
[11:15] <sleepy343> !repository
[11:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> direct rendering: Yes
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> YES, God d$@n it !
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> \m/
[11:16] <Alarm> how can i enable v4l . i need it for my winfast tv tuner. also how can i see my kernel version ?
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> i cna play UT 2004 now :p
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> can*
[11:16] <BluesKaj> fglrxinfo
[11:17] <BluesKaj> fgl_glxgears
[11:17] <MaxDamage``> 595 frames in 5.0 seconds = 119.000 FPS
[11:17] <MaxDamage``> is that bad?
[11:19] <miguelcr> hola !!!
[11:19] <miguelcr> IDENTIFY miguel
[11:19] <miguelcr> alguien habla espaol
[11:19] <DrNickRiviera> am using dapper and have the problem that by default it selects vesa as the graphics card and when i select the one that i actually use which it recognizes correctly (matrox g450) i get a message that it can't be safely tested
[11:20] <DrNickRiviera> why do i get that message?
[11:20] <fxr> MaxDamage i dont know, the info from glxgears is suppose to be pretty useless, but there is tweak info on them forums, to help 3d performance
[11:20] <DrNickRiviera> am a bit worried that if i just change it i might stop the output from working entirely
[11:21] <fxr> Alarm uname -r
[11:21] <MaxDamage``> nah im happy with the current performance
[11:22] <MaxDamage``> unreal tournament was lagging at 400x300
[11:22] <MaxDamage``> at low graphics
[11:22] <MaxDamage``> now i cant get it to lag on high graphics!
[11:22] <flavio> how do i install kdenetworkmanager
[11:23] <m4ngos> !wpa
[11:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:23] <Alarm> how can i enable v4l  ? in other distros i could find that under device drivers --> multimedia devices --> enable video for linux . how can this be done in kubuntu ?
[11:24] <fxr> sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:24] <fxr> @flavio
[11:25] <MaxDamage``> uh, vegastrike c#@$ped me up... lol
[11:25] <m4ngos> fxr
[11:25] <m4ngos> it says..
[11:25] <m4ngos> nothing found
[11:26] <MaxDamage``> great help dude, thanks :)
[11:26] <fxr> you might have enable one of the repositories... m4ngos
[11:27] <m4ngos> how do i do that
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> fxr, it doesnt recodnise my opengl :/
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> GL_VENDOR     : (null)
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> and all the others
[11:31] <fxr> m4ngos its on here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> what was that 3d tester again?
[11:32] <fxr> glxxinfo
[11:32] <fxr> glxinfo
[11:32] <MaxDamage``> thanks
[11:33] <BluesKaj> ati card MaxDamage``?
[11:33] <stefan> hey, hoffe mir kann mal kurz jemand helfen, ich will openoffice installieren, wie gehtn des wenn ich mehrere deb-dateien hab?
[11:33] <MaxDamage``> damn it :(
[11:33] <MaxDamage``> when i type glxgears
[11:33] <MaxDamage``> just a black screen comes up
[11:33] <BluesKaj> fgl_glxgears
[11:33] <BluesKaj> !de
[11:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> nothing too
[11:34] <BluesKaj> what's your graphics card ?
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> ATi Radeon 9200 SE
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> i played Uneral Tournament a second ago
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> i just had to re-login
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> and everything went down in flames
[11:35] <Alarm> what error could this be on my dmesg : [17222343.892000]  loop0: rw=0, want=1808, limit=1204 [17222343.892000]  attempt to access beyond end of device
[11:35] <fxr> your using the fglrx driver?
[11:35] <MaxDamage``> yes!
[11:35] <MaxDamage``> :/
[11:35] <MaxDamage``> in the control panel
[11:35] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage``, check this site : http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[11:36] <fxr> whats that fglrxinfo give..?
[11:36] <MaxDamage``> lemme pastebin it
[11:37] <bobleny> Hey, I installed dolphin and made it my default file manager, but in order to see my trash bin or use the "Actions" action menue, I have to set konqore back to being my default file manager. How do I fix it so I don't have this problem?
[11:37] <bobleny> !pastbin:lemme
[11:37] <MaxDamage``> BluesKaj: that's what im using i think
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin:lemme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <rich__> I just did a fresh install of edgy, my kernel is 2.6.17-10-generic, do i need to upgrade it?
[11:38] <bobleny> :(
[11:38] <fxr> BluesKay did you an who wrote that howto ever write the xgl part.. ??
[11:38] <MaxDamage``> fxr, sorry for the delay, pastebin is kinda slow :p
[11:38] <MaxDamage``> many ppl are using it
[11:38] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage``, i used those instructions and it installed DIR on my system
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> aha
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> well i dont know about taht
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> that*
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> but the driver i just installed worked perfect
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> i logged out for a sec
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> and it burned down
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> it says in the ATI Control Panel
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> OpenGL Vendor, Version and Renderer - (null)
[11:40] <MaxDamage``> what now? :/
[11:40] <MaxDamage``> fxr, http://pastebin.com/858011
[11:40] <MaxDamage``> here's the glxinfo
[11:41] <Flosoft2> hey
[11:41] <Flosoft2> I have got a problem
[11:41] <MaxDamage``> who doesnt..
[11:41] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:41] <Flosoft2> I am trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 on my new Core2Duo notebook
[11:41] <Flosoft2> so I downloaded the imag
[11:41] <Flosoft2> e
[11:41] <Black> Hi
[11:41] <Flosoft2> but there seems to be a problem with acpi
[11:42] <MaxDamage``> wait, adept updated something
[11:42] <Flosoft2> with 6.06 it says Loading ACPI modules ... and is stuck there
[11:42] <Black> again, installation went well
[11:42] <Black> and it works
[11:42] <excitatory> rich__: nope, as of edgy the generic kernel will detect if you need smp support or not.. so no kernel changes like in the past.. and your package manager of choice will keep it updated the same way the rest of the software on your system is kept up to date.
[11:42] <MaxDamage``> i'll reboot to see what's going on
[11:42] <MaxDamage``> fxr, you read the document :p
[11:42] <rich__> thanks
[11:44] <Flosoft2> how can I disable ACPI?
[11:45] <MaxDamage``> it fixed?!?! o.0
[11:45] <MaxDamage``> omfg.. linux rocks :D
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> MaxDamage``, did you change your kernel?
[11:46] <Flosoft2> any idea?
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> no
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> adept updated it
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> <333
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> <666 lol
[11:51] <fxr> max does fglrxinfo see you ATI now?
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the name of the OS equivelant of LimeWire
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> Frostwire
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i don't want to use automatix and break the system...
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, tell me ..why are you talking to yourself ?  :)
[11:55] <ScarFreewill> is there a way to limet my network card?
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: because I'm lonely...not really. Turns out Frostwire comes in a .deb which is good.
[11:56] <bobleny> What is .deb?
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !deb
[11:56] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> or sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:57] <bobleny> oh
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Frostwire sucks ...the output doesn't pay any attn to the search input text ...one liable get anything in thelist , most of it not remotely connected to the search input
[11:58] <BluesKaj> anyway amule is much better
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> yea but so does nicotine. at least FW works
[12:01] <malik_> how do i setup kontact to operate my gmail account?
[12:03] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know how to make irssi *not* show joins and quits from a certain channel?
[12:04] <sleepy343> when I typed a wget key why does my konsole hang? doesn't return me to my prompt
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> sleepy343: what command are you using
[12:06] <BackPacker> malik_: Set it to use the host pop.gmail.com and put 995 in the Port box. On the Extras tab, select 'Use SSL for secure mail download'...
[12:07] <BackPacker> malik_: For sending, use smtp.gmail.com on port 587, and on the Security tab select 'TLS'
[12:07] <sleepy343> wget http://ubuntuy.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -0- | sudo apt-key add -
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> BackPacker: does that work for TB too?
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> sleepy343: hmm, maybe the #beryl channel can help trouble shoot
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> are you getting that instruction from the beryl wiki?
[12:08] <BackPacker> malik_: Those are the settings for the Gmail servers. They should work on any mail client that can use SSL and TLS
[12:08] <malik_> BackPacker: can i use these settings for yahoo too?
[12:08] <malik_> aaaaaah okie
[12:08] <BackPacker> malik_: I sincerely doubt it. Why would yahoo use Gmail's servers?  :-)
[12:08] <malik_> BackPacker: thanx alot mate
[12:08] <Xera> hoi again xD
[12:09] <Xera> my friend is getting this error when running anything with sudo
 jens@jens-desktop:~$ sudo passwd
 sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jan 13 22:54:08 2007
[12:09] <Xera> :S?
[12:09] <fignew> meh
[12:09] <BackPacker> malik_: There are programs you can install that can grab mail from Yahoo, but I don't know what they're called. Try entering 'Yahoo' into the Search box at http://freshmeat.net and/or Google
[12:09] <fignew> it's only the 12th
[12:09] <Xera> !timestamp
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timestamp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <Xera> die!
[12:10] <Xera> :(
[12:10] <Xera> !sudo
[12:10] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:10] <fignew> what does the date command say?
[12:10] <Xera> sec
[12:11] <Xera> la 13.1.2007 01:10:05 +0200
[12:11] <malik_> yahoo and msn mail i can chk with kopete but only gmail wa a bit of pain
[12:12] <malik_> but thanx alot guyz
[12:12] <bobleny> !exit
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <Xera> !anything
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <bobleny> lol
[12:13] <soulrider> hi everyone :)
[12:13] <Xera> fignew, any ideas?
[12:13] <bobleny> !ubot-u-dumb-bot
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubot-u-dumb-bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <soulrider> !botsnack
[12:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:14] <xertra> ok guys i need some help installing something from source if someone could give me some help. I get an error when i go to make and i don't know what to do.
[12:14] <Xera> lol
[12:14] <soulrider> xertra: did you do ./configure first ?
[12:14] <xertra> yes
[12:14] <soulrider> and what is it that youre trying to compile ?
[12:14] <xertra> cinelerra
[12:15] <soulrider> youre sure there isnt a deb ?