=== rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] somerville32: s/Riddle/Riddell (tab completion is your friend) [12:16] hehe [12:18] hi somerville32 [12:19] Riddell: If you're busy, could you just tell me the tasks you tested on the ppc platform so I can mark them as tested? :) [12:19] somerville32: install, log in and try to open file manager [12:20] How did you install? [12:20] Did you use the live-cd? [12:22] Riddell: Erase disk, auto-resize, or manual partitioner? === mwe [n=mwe@unaffiliated/mwe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-16b5cc7fdf49ef84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === teer2 [i=teer@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] Greetings, angelic developers. I have a question about official ubuntu repositories. [12:27] I have an idea for creating a repository for commercial game "demos" that are known to work with a given Ubuntu distribution version. [12:27] somerville32: erase disk [12:27] teer2: sounds familiar :) [12:28] Perhaps, this could be included into the official repositories. [12:28] eventuall. [12:28] Riddell, And you did use the desktop cd? [12:28] mdke: Has this been done before? [12:28] teer2: actually, I may have misunderstood. You know there is a -commercial repository? [12:28] I was sent up here to ask about it from the #ubuntu channel [12:29] pitti: thanks [12:29] mdke: I was told they did not have commercial games listed there. For example, does it have the notorious Doom 3 demo? [12:30] pitti: the partman log will be more explicit now about why it isn't offering autoresize, although not totally explicit [12:30] cjwatson: I believe it only reads the gconf keys at startup; I'll teach it to always read them when mounting instead of caching the values in internal state [12:30] mdke: Will the legendary Quake Wars: Enemy Territory demo be hosted there? These are things I think would benefit Ubuntu if they were offered in a way that was easy for end-users to obtain. [12:30] pitti: in one of your earlier logs, I noticed that it was running into a known parted bug whereby recent ext3 filesystems (including the ones created by current feisty installer images) can't be resized by parted [12:30] or even checked, for that matter [12:30] if you feel like digging into parted code, there's a good project in there :) [12:30] ah, that would explain it [12:31] does anyone enjoy digging into parted ? [12:31] autoresize of ntfs or older ext3 (maybe ext2) should still work fine [12:31] I have enjoyed it upon occasion [12:31] teer2: things are added as the relevant commercial organisations make them available. But in your case, it sounds like something that is better suited to another existing ubuntu repository, like universe or multiverse [12:31] the code is quite nicely structured - it's just fundamentally rather difficult [12:31] How can I find out information about setting up an Ubuntu repository, please? [12:31] I think its an interesting piece of software, every coder I know has at some point expressed interest in writing defrag/parted/etc [12:31] teer2: why not just get them into the existing repos? [12:32] speaking of which, I really should get around to updating defrag to work on current ext3 [12:32] teer2: that's the wrong sort of information, you need information about how to include something into an existing repository, which you can get by asking in #ubuntu-motu [12:32] LaserJock: How can I do this? I have the ear of many developers for commercial linux games, and if I can direct them on how to submit their demos to the official distributions, then I am sure they would eb happy to do it. [12:33] lifeless: the main problem with parted is that it seems to have quite a short shelf-life of active developers [12:33] nobody seems to be able to cope with low-level partitioning code for very long [12:33] teer2: well, #ubuntu-motu is the place to start [12:34] but there's nothing else that fills its niche [12:34] LaserJock: Like, there is this game I think is a great example of a recent Linux multiplayer game, Galcon. Small demo, three days of online play. Seems perfect for the official distribution. Just tell him where to send the demo and he will do it. [12:34] LaserJock: Okay, I'm off to ask there. Thanks. [12:34] well, not so much the official distribution, in that the official distribution consists of free software [12:34] cjwatson: I have been wondering for a while if its reasonable in a conceptual fashion to recast it into a python main loop/ui and bound C libraries for the bits-on-disk mechanics [12:35] lifeless: the former is trivial, so that's not an interesting project for me; it's the latter that's the actual hard bit [12:35] all the hard problems I'm aware of in libparted are bits-on-disk, and the language is pretty unimportant [12:36] cjwatson: I think language is important in so far as what developers will touch it. [12:36] I don't buy that there are a significant fraction of developers who won't touch C yet want to hack on low-level partitioning code [12:36] cjwatson: i.e. while writing disk-bits manipulation code in python is easy to do, will the set of developers that know enough about FS internals to write such code consider contributing [12:36] the sort of people who like this sort of thing also like things like kernel hacking [12:37] cjwatson: I'm not claiming that, I'm claiming the inverse: that folk prefer to hack on low level partitioning code in C === teer2 [i=teer@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:37] oh, right, I definitely think that is the case [12:37] sorry, I misread your comment above [12:38] :) [12:38] it was rather round about [12:38] what I meant by "the language is pretty unimportant" was that there's very little in the bits-on-disk mechanics that could easily be improved in terms of e.g. readability or maintainability by being recast in a different language [12:39] although more comments in that code certainly wouldn't hurt [12:39] mmmm. I disagree, but I dont think the win would be worth the impact in developer-time [12:39] are you familiar with the code in question? === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-1b347939d6954c42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] (since my comment is very much tied to this particular piece of code, not a general statement) === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] not very, though I have been inside the hood before [12:40] the only thing that I find particularly awkward about its C nature is having to remember to byte-swap stuff [12:40] oh yay, gpg gone into lalala land [12:41] that's only really while physically reading and writing, though [12:41] have you ever seen apt-get source have gpg dissappear up its own internals ? [12:42] its doing 5 thousand read, time, gettimeofday, times, getrusage calls every second [12:43] has anybody made an effort on some kind of Windows user migration help page [12:43] documentation [12:43] explaining what's different and why [12:43] and how it's beneficial [12:43] i get friends going mental trying to compile tarballs they downloaded off some website 'cause they think that's how they get software [12:44] alex-weej: I'm not sure about web pages, but some of the Ubuntu books I've seen have excellent sections on migrating [12:44] my parents are working their way through "Ubuntu Linux For Non-Geeks" [12:45] alex-weej: yes, the doc team is writing a "Switching from Windows" guide for Feisty [12:45] (entirely not at my prompting, but still) [12:45] LaserJock: excellent! i'll keep my eyes open for it :) === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] good night everyone === acacs [n=acacs@201.32.148.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEF074.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hangfire [n=brad777m@200.95.153.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] quick query with the new uuid disk naming does it mean you can rename a usb device and the name will be remembered? === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === MagiqueM [n=Hombre@87.6.42.239] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@p7145-ipbf1002marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] mdz: I was asked to check with you to verify that the Maintainer fields in source packages in Universe should be modified in line with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField. [02:03] persia: yes [02:03] (they should be) [02:04] mdz: we should be doing that as we are merging (for instance)? [02:04] mdz: Thanks. [02:04] LaserJock: yes, that would be a good start [02:05] mdz: was that said in -devel-announce at some point? [02:05] I know we've been doing binary mangling [02:05] mdz: Does the change belong in the changelog, or can it be assumed from the -ubuntu versioning? === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] persia: like any other change to the package, it should be documented in the changelog [02:23] mdz: Thanks for the confirmation. [02:23] LaserJock: if it wasn't, it ought to have been === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-159.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@p7145-ipbf1002marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:28] mdz: I can't find anything grep'ing in ubuntu-devel-announce archives. Would you have time to send one out? 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[06:17] when i make a ifconfig i can see receive packet .. but impossible to ping the gateway [06:17] when i make a iwconfig scan i can sho the wifi lan (no encryption ) [06:17] but non ping avaible [06:17] mardi_soir: either file a bug or please move to #ubuntu this isn't a support channel [06:17] ok ! [06:18] so have a nice day [06:19] and just know that ralink rt61pci on ubuntu edgy no work well alone :/ [06:19] bye === mardi_soir [n=mardi_so@unaffiliated/mardisoir/x-034521] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:23] fabbione: you know who handles default X session stuffs? [06:25] mneptok: rodarvus [06:26] gotta go to feed the fattosaurus rex [06:26] hopefully he is awake now [06:26] does your wife know you call her that? [06:26] ahah [06:30] bah [06:30] he went back to sleep [06:30] it's one hour that he goes like that [06:30] ahh there he is now === fabbione & === MagicFab [n=MagicFab@205.205.80.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DAEFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaSto [n=Herthane@p54BD12E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] sfllaw: did you get around to test the glibc SRU? [07:22] morning === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === incon [n=incon@tuskore.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:54] any archive admins around to kick the security uploads of OOo, dokuwiki through? (Mithrandir) [07:57] keescook: too early probably [07:57] they get notified anyway.. so don't sweat it [07:57] fabbione: yeah... I best get to bed. [07:58] keescook: night dude [07:58] g'night! [07:58] keescook: saw you had snow in PDX \o/ [07:58] mneptok: yeah! It's almost entirely melted now, but the dogs had fun. :) [07:59] keescook: last weekend, YUL *was* PDX in terws of climate [07:59] *terms [07:59] heh [07:59] gray, rain, 12C [07:59] ick. [07:59] now -1 and snowing [08:00] I have snow :-P === ciscosurfer [n=magic@216-80-124-12.snb-bsr1.chi-snb.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] Nafallo: where are you physically? === mneptok guesses "in a chair" [08:01] keescook: Kungsr, Sweden :-) [08:01] i guess it depends on what kind of "snow" [08:01] i also have snow.. right on my desk [08:01] mneptok: gah! right again! [08:01] Nafallo: nice. :) [08:01] fabbione: I have real "outdoor" snow ;-) [08:01] fabbione: your cocaine habit is not to be discussed on public channels [08:02] mneptok: lol [08:02] Nafallo: yeah.. we are waiting here in dk too [08:02] okay, seriously...bed time. :) cya guys [08:02] nighty kc [08:02] mneptok: i didn't mention cocaine.. i tend to bake pizza on my desk.. my snow is flavour [08:03] romanosnow? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] yeps [08:04] oh great [08:04] the nokia update to my phone did switch it back to danish === fabbione forsees another hour to find the menu to switch it back to english [08:05] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2561063293686517066&q=the+power+of+cheese === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ng_ [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ciscosurfer [n=magic@216-80-124-12.snb-bsr1.chi-snb.il.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:12] mneptok: same actor as President Logan in 24h and father of one of the actors in Friends [08:13] hehehe. behold the power of cheese. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.75.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p5496493F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday__jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@5.228-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491E847.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@219.Red-88-0-138.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] doko: do we have anything in particular we recommend as a replacement for toolchain-source? [09:28] gcc-4.1-source, binutils-source, and README.cross in gcc-4.1, nothing more [09:29] ok, thanks. === Seeker` [n=Seeker@195-112-32-168.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] Good morning === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] morning pitti [09:42] hey ajmitch, how are you? [09:42] ok, yourself? [09:44] heya pitti === pitti hugs Hobbsee [09:44] ajmitch: great! === Hobbsee hugs pitti back :) [09:44] morning Martin, Sarah [09:45] hey Mithrandir! [09:45] hi Mithrandir, recovered a bit from release stress? [09:45] pitti: yeah, doing the actual publishing now. [09:45] once that's done, I'll write the mail to u-d-a, thaw feisty, enable the publisher and all that faff [09:48] Mithrandir: could you please run the publisher for the OO.o security update? [09:49] I'll just reenable it === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.137.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] (done) [09:49] it'll run in about ten minutes === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] Mithrandir: still confirmed the cd versions from Testing/Current/Ubuntu ? I need to pass them to -certification === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] fabbione: the CD versions in releases are the latest ones. [09:57] fabbione: also, certificationtestingprocess doesn't start until after the images are published. :-P === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] Mithrandir: yeps. i still want to make triple sure that certification can compare the release with the numbers we did test/release [09:58] extra paranoia.. nothing more [09:58] fabbione: if so, look at the ISO headers in the images once they're released. [09:58] ok [10:02] fabbione: now you can start the certification testing process [10:02] yes i can see.. but i don't start.. i just send a ping to Marc [10:02] too bad herd-2/ is empty [10:02] at least on one of cdimage [10:03] it takes a little while to copy 10G, even over gigabit [10:03] tsk tsk :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] can somebody review http://err.no/tmp/herd-2.txt ? [10:15] Mithrandir: where review means...? [10:16] Hobbsee: look for bad grammar, typos, factual errors, stuff you think should be there, etc. [10:16] right === Hobbsee wonders if very current is correct grammer [10:16] s/grammer/grammar/ === Hobbsee suspects not - it should just be current [10:17] Hobbsee: I don't think so either; fixed. [10:17] s/inclusion of new upstream versions/new versions of programs/ [10:18] Common [10:18] to all variants, we have upgraded the kernel to 2.6.20 [10:18] ^ dunno if that's not obvious - may be better to say that "notably, the kernel has been upgraded to 2.6.20" === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-108-202.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@dslb-088-073-124-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] Ubuntu and should be Ubuntu, and [10:19] good morning [10:19] s/Among them/Among these/ [10:19] hey dholbach === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] Hobbsee: fixed [10:19] :) [10:20] s/just-partitioned/newly partitioned/ [10:20] fixed [10:20] (a few posts a week) <-- doesnt appear to be that frequent, is it? === mvo [n=egon@p54A6748B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] hey Hobbsee [10:21] approved specifications, policy changes, alpha releases, <-- invert that order - list from the most important (ie, new release) to least [10:22] The Testing area of the wiki suggests various tests that can be [10:22] performed on Herd CD releases to try to catch bugs far enough before [10:22] the final release that they can be fixed: [10:22] hrm.... [10:22] Hobbsee: list reversed. === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-18-132.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] Mithrandir: you found a picky native-english speaker :P [10:23] it can be up to a few posts a week, so it's to avoid people complaining about the frequency. [10:23] Hobbsee: pickiness++ [10:23] s/far enough before... release / early enough in the release process/ [10:23] ah right [10:24] s/to Malone:/to our bugtracker, Malone:/ === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] fixed, fixed. [10:24] s/to Malone:/to the Ubuntu bugtracker, Malone:/ [10:24] even better [10:24] Mithrandir: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd2 404'd [10:24] yeah, I need to prod the relevant person to fix it. [10:25] Mithrandir: looks good to me. didnt check most of the links though [10:25] oh [10:25] s/ [10:25] needing a [10:25] stable system or anyone [10:25] /needing a stable system, or anyone/ [10:26] fixed [10:26] that was all i saw :) [10:26] === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] Mithrandir: as an aside, maybe mention slightly more explicitly that if you keep doing upgradse from herd 2, you'll have the same release as feisty final. although yo'uve already got that there, to a degree [10:30] (there always seems to be heaps of questions in ubuntu about "i got $development version cd, which has now become final, do i need to download the final cd or can i upgrade?" [10:30] ) [10:30] suggestion on where to put it? [10:31] between Welcome to Feisty Fawn Herd 2, which will in time become Ubuntu 7.04. and the next paragraph looks good [10:32] cant see anywhere else in the structure that it would be logical === stivani [n=stivani@d51531068.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] unsure, I think maybe the end of the first full paragraph's better. [10:35] argh. yes, you're right [10:35] something like that? === Hobbsee seemed to jump from one paragraph to another [10:35] yeah [10:35] after [10:35] They are however recommended for [10:35] Ubuntu developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, [10:35] and fixing bugs. [10:35] I'm not going to say "identical" since somebody is then going to construct a corner case where something isn't right and we'll go through pain and suffering for that. [10:35] "To turn it into Ubuntu 7.04, put it in an oak barrel and age it for three months." [10:35] mpt: heh. :-) [10:35] hehe [10:35] mpt: about-ubuntu! *hint* [10:35] Hobbsee: is the sentence which is there now ok? [10:35] StevenK, it's time I faced up to the fact that I don't have any time for it :-/ [10:36] StevenK, would you like to be the maintainer and get it into universe (and main:-)? === stivani [n=stivani@d51531068.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:36] Mithrandir: yep, looks fine [10:36] mpt: Sounds fine to me. [10:36] mpt: he'll badger you to sponsor him though :P [10:37] I need to figure out how to put it in System menu, and then I think it's right for universe. [10:37] cool [10:37] Then advertise it for testing [10:37] Indeed. [10:38] StevenK, you're now the driver in Launchpad [10:38] mpt: Thanks! [10:38] Have you noticed that the bottom right label isn't right-aligned? [10:38] I don't know why that is -- it's right-aligned in glade [10:39] I haven't, actually. === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === StevenK will take another look at about-ubuntu after he beats python-xlib into submission. [10:43] The only other tiny UI tweak I see needed is making the cursor a drag cursor when it's over the draggable stuff. [10:43] But I'm not sure if X actually has a "draggable" cursor. [10:44] mpt: there's the 'hand' thing [10:45] Isn't that for pointing at hyperlinks? [10:45] i.e. a pointy hand rather than a grabby hand === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] The one when you drag a window is grabbing, rather than grabby === mbiebl [n=michael@e180075057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] maybe I'm just being too picky ("but the Mac makes this distinction!", etc) [10:46] mpt: Humbug! === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Herd 2 released === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] Mithrandir: Nice! [10:59] hurrah for us! === StevenK kicks python-xlib [10:59] <\sh> congrats Mithrandir === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] elmo: hi, I am writing on a best mirror detection function for software-properties. [11:04] yay Mithrandir :) [11:04] elmo: but I am no networking expert. Currently I ping every host and perform a download test of the top ten rtt hosts. [11:06] elmo: does sending a lot of pings has got any bad side effects? an early beta tester reported, that he had to restart his router, since the name resolution didn't work anymore after the test [11:06] glatzor: um, you have seen the dynamic-mirror-decision spec, right? [11:06] um, decisions [11:06] https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/dynamic-mirror-decisions [11:06] not yet thom === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-135.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] thom: seems to be "enterprise ready" :) === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] thom: I also would like to support non launchpad based distros like Debian in software-properties. [11:16] fair enough. just making sure you knew about it [11:16] mdke: your bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337252 breaks ctrl- in vi! [11:17] Gnome bug 337252 in VteTerminal "ALT + Arrow keys don't work in irssi through gnome-terminal" [Minor,Reopened] [11:17] mdke: :-) === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-726897166dd0a92c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] dholbach: when requesting syncs from !main, please tell me so in the bug report. kthx. [11:48] Mithrandir: what's the problem? [11:48] dholbach: libdbus-java is in contrib, we sync from main by default, so it took me a little extra to work out why the sync failed. :-) [11:48] Mithrandir: alrighty, now I understand - I'll do so in the future! [11:48] Mithrandir: and thanks for libdbus-java === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-42-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-a4c8a2c6de7f10fb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] mvo: are you fine with me hacking on the u-n ubuntu bzr branch for bug 62316? [12:10] Malone bug 62316 in update-notifier "Provide GUI access to crash reports from root programs" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62316 [12:13] pitti: sure. I plan to do a u-n upload soonish to fix some unrelated problems, just let me know when I can merge something [12:13] mvo: ok, so I'll work on a branch, and not directly on the ubuntu trunk [12:15] pitti: if the changes are fairly small, just use the main branch === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] heno,dholbach: wow, bughelper is neat [12:15] cjwatson: thanks :-D [12:16] heh, cool [12:16] cjwatson: i'll be working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/ClueFiles - I'll let you know once it's implemented (and makes sense to add more .info files) [12:17] cjwatson: i'm open to suggestions :) === dholbach hugs heno :) === heno hugs dholbach === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] dholbach: *nod* I'm just using it as an attachment-grepper at the moment really [12:29] tsk ... gnome bugzilla is so confusing ... [12:29] possibly a cache of some kind might be a good idea === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] probably [12:30] ogra: hm it is the best bugzilla imo :) [12:31] bhale, yes, but if i comment to a bug it automatically takes me to the next bug after i hit submit ... i always think i did something wrong until i notice i'm on another bug i'm not intrested in [12:33] ogra: So you can comment on that too, obviously. [12:33] ogra: is that a preference? i dont recall mine doing that [12:34] i remember gentoo bugzilla doing that way back in the day [12:34] StevenK, yes, but i would rather like to re-read what i commented === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] tepsipakki: can you please find a ubuntu-dev sponsor for all your sync requests? (Or apply for ubuntu-dev membership..) [12:36] cjwatson: I added it to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/WishList [12:36] dholbach: thanks [12:36] bhale: doesn't seem to be a preference [12:36] at least I can't find it, and I experience the same misfeature as ogra [12:37] ogra: ages ago, we talked about having a clock in the password dialog for gnome-screensaver. Did you ever get around to adding that (controlled by a gconf key)? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] Mithrandir, bug # ? i cant remember that particular bug ... all i have is "please add an analogue clock as screensaver" [12:38] ogra: I don't think it was ever filed as a bug, just discussed on IRC. [12:38] oh, k [12:38] ogra: I'll be happy to file it as a bug, tho [12:38] doit :) === StevenK pokes launchpad. Where's my accepted mail? [12:39] even though if i put coding/patching time into g-ss i'll rather care for the broken GL stuff === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] StevenK: package? [12:39] cjwatson: python-xlib [12:39] so it wont be highest prio [12:40] StevenK: ok, just slow mail then, since it was accepted 20 minutes ago [12:40] Oh, right. Thanks for checking. [12:40] 11:20:14 DEBUG Sent a mail: [12:40] 11:20:14 DEBUG Subject: Accepted python-xlib 0.12-5.1ubuntu1 (source) [12:40] 11:20:14 DEBUG Recipients: Steve Kowalik === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F6B11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] Yup, there it is. === StevenK checks the headers. [12:41] it's worth checking because some keyserver interaction bug has meant we've been silently losing a fair few uploads of late [12:42] Neat. :-/ [12:42] For some reason, master kept hold of the mail for 20 minutes. [12:42] once I find some free time, I'll write something to double-process that queue. === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] Mithrandir, you have a nikon camera, is it a D50 ? [01:20] no, d200 [01:20] ah [01:20] my brother has a d50, though [01:20] do you have a tele lens ? [01:20] yes [01:20] (18-200mm and 28-80) [01:20] wow you're getting into photography eh [01:20] and 70-210 [01:21] jsgotangco: I got my first SLR when I was 12 or so. [01:21] why the 70-210/18-200 overlap? did you have the 70 already? [01:21] i bought a D50 recently, it has a 18-55 lens and i'm pondering to get something more "tele" === jsgotangco doesn't undestand much of the tele thing [01:21] thom: yeah, it's just some old lenses from a F601 [01:21] could you bring your cam and lenses to the sprint so i could test with a different lens once ? [01:22] ogra: sure. [01:22] thanks ! :) [01:22] ogra: tbh, the 18-55 isn't very good lens, so I think I'd recommend the 18-200 or if you don't want to switch, a 70-200 with VR. [01:23] hmm, the 70-200 is probably expensive, it's f2.8 [01:23] i thought about a 55-200 ... to just have the rest of the range [01:23] nikon at least doesn't seem to have anything 55-200? [01:24] hmm, i think they have a DX lens with that range ... [01:24] indeed, they do [01:24] cheap, not very birght [01:24] bright, even [01:24] (~250) [01:25] yeah ... === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] but 70-200 with 2.8 sunds tempting .... [01:26] *sounds [01:27] it's around 800 or so, but has VR too. [01:27] it's pure love. [01:27] I have one, so you can try that. [01:27] urgh ... but 200 vs 1700 is a *slight* price difference [01:28] (i only fond one starting at 1700) [01:28] uh, that's not the correct one, then. [01:28] it's the 18-200 f3.5-5.6 VRII one you want. === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] ah, yeah that one looks better [01:29] the 1700 one was quite huge ... [01:29] nothing i'd like to carry with me while travelling === dlainhart [n=dylan@cpe-69-205-162-222.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] it's somewhat big, but not huge, and less cumbersome than lots of other things. [01:31] yeah === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] the big one was at least twice as long ... === dlainhart [n=dylan@cpe-69-205-162-222.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pirast [n=martin@p508B15F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-170-224.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] Adri2000: please get a member of ubuntu-dev to ack your sync requests before subscribing ubuntu-archive to them. Thanks. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] hi === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] seb128: FYI, in apport bzr head I use gnome-open again (for epiphany love); I found quite a neat solution now [02:27] (and it only took me two hours to figure out how to call firefox from a 'dropped root privs' program, duh) === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] where should distro naming suggestions go? === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] jono: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames [02:37] StevenK: cool [02:37] (If that's what you mean) [02:38] yep, thanks :) === Xemanth [n=xemanth@dsl-hkigw7-fe1af900-42.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seanh [i=seanh@otaku.freeshell.ORG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-20-228.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] I'm writing an extension module for Python, and wandering the best thing to do is on Ubuntu. Should I install the Python source from the Ubuntu software channel and work in that, or should I download the Python source from python.org and work on it in my homedir? [02:46]