| tristanbob | I'll always be around with Ubuntu - and documentation is one of the ways that I can contribute | 12:18 |
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| tristanbob | that and advocacy | 12:18 |
| mdke | go for it! | 12:18 |
| mdke | feel free to dive into our repository too :) | 12:18 |
| tristanbob | mdke: I can't seem to join the wiki team myself | 12:20 |
| mdke | you can apply | 12:20 |
| tristanbob | looks like I was a member and then left, now I don't get the option to apply again | 12:21 |
| mdke | tristanbob: really? | 12:23 |
| mdke | ok, reactivated | 12:24 |
| tristanbob | thanks mdke | 12:25 |
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| robotgee1 | nixternal: sorry, i havent been able to do any work on the kubuntu docs | 02:45 |
| nixternal | that's alright, I have been working little by little, but I have been tied up with some KDE Docs and KHelpCenter | 02:46 |
| robotgeek | nixternal: work + school is leaving me no time at all, i think i should officially take a hiatus | 02:47 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:47 |
| nixternal | i hear you there | 02:47 |
| nixternal | school starts back up next week | 02:47 |
| nixternal | 20 credits, so i will be pretty busy as well | 02:47 |
| robotgeek | i only have 9, but i got to study (an almost entirely new area) for me, so that is a time sucker | 02:48 |
| robotgeek | i had lots of time when i was doing research, lol | 02:48 |
| nixternal | ya, i have anthropology and philosophy this semester and both of them are new to me as well | 02:48 |
| nixternal | ya, most of my classes are research and field based this time around | 02:48 |
| nixternal | those will be fairly easy, since i use some of the stuff i do here as field based | 02:49 |
| robotgeek | i dont want to leave the teams, but i dont want to give the impression that i will get anything done | 02:49 |
| nixternal | well, jsgotangco is on a hiatus now, and checks in every now and then | 02:52 |
| nixternal | mgalvin took a little break, it happens, everyone needs a break every now and then | 02:53 |
| nixternal | everytime i start to burn out a little bit i get involved with something new to respark my interest | 02:53 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i will keep checking back in, hopefully i will start back work during summer | 02:53 |
| robotgeek | i already spend > 14 hours in front of the computer, it doesn't feel very nice to work after that :P | 02:54 |
| nixternal | hehe, i definitely know that feeling | 02:54 |
| crimsun | now imagine what I go through. | 02:56 |
| nixternal | no doubt, you spend 26 hours a day on the computer | 02:56 |
| crimsun | closer to 76, it feels like | 02:56 |
| robotgeek | i am a mere mortal, crimsun :) | 02:56 |
| crimsun | robotgeek: I'm not even a mortal; I'm a peon. | 02:56 |
| robotgeek | anyways, i gotta run. maybe catch some extra sleep for tomorrow | 02:57 |
| robotgeek | later guys! | 02:57 |
| crimsun | cya | 02:57 |
| nixternal | later | 02:58 |
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| glatzor | ping mdke | 03:07 |
| glatzor | mdke: do you know when there will be a new version of the translated edgy documentation? | 03:07 |
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| willvdl | hi folks, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients refers ti EdubuntuInstallNotes which is blank.. | 05:10 |
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| mdke | glatzor: none planned atm. You think it would be advisable? | 08:36 |
| glatzor | mdke: for sure. it was quite an effort to translate the desktop guide. | 08:37 |
| glatzor | mdke: and the end of edgy comes nearer every day. | 08:38 |
| mdke | glatzor: well, not the "end" :) But sure, we'll consider it then | 08:38 |
| mdke | glatzor: do you know if all those errors were fixed? | 08:39 |
| glatzor | mdke: wait, I will check it. | 08:41 |
| mdke | I don't know if we should update it on a per-language basis, or for all languages | 08:42 |
| glatzor | mdke: are there any other languages that made good progress? | 08:46 |
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| glatzor | you could drop a mail to ubuntu.translators which teams would like to see a release | 08:46 |
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| glatzor | mdke: the bugs don't affect the desktop guide. and I am sorry, but I don't have the patience to fix typos at the moment. | 08:47 |
| mdke | glatzor: I meant the validation errors... | 08:47 |
| glatzor | mdke: I could do this at Sunday. | 08:47 |
| glatzor | mdke: http://files.glatzor.de/dg/desktopguide/de/ | 08:48 |
| mdke | that sounds like a yes | 08:48 |
| glatzor | I haven't build it in the last three weeks or so. | 08:49 |
| glatzor | But we only fixed minor typos in this phase. | 08:50 |
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| mdke | glatzor: ok, good job | 08:53 |
| mdke | nixternal: our policy until now has been to avoid using xrefflags | 08:55 |
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| nixternal | why is that? | 09:09 |
| nixternal | they work great for linking w/o getting the 'the section blah blah' | 09:09 |
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| nixternal | mdke: do you recommend using <link linkend='blah'>Blah</link> isntead? | 09:14 |
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| mdke | nixternal: you should use xref, I think | 09:39 |
| mdke | what's wrong with "the section"? | 09:39 |
| nixternal | i don't want the words "the section" for some of the links im doing | 09:39 |
| mdke | nixternal: why? | 09:40 |
| nixternal | because im using htem in a list, to link to another section w/in the document | 09:40 |
| nixternal | they are fine when using the "See <xref linkend="blah"/>" | 09:41 |
| mpt | nixternal, actually, I don't think "the section" is ever appropriate | 09:41 |
| mpt | so maybe report a bug asking for it to be removed | 09:41 |
| nixternal | i have no problem rewording the document though to make them work in order to follow along with the policy though | 09:41 |
| mdke | mpt: in Kubuntu, he can remove it himself | 09:41 |
| mpt | cool | 09:41 |
| mdke | in the build stage | 09:42 |
| mdke | nixternal: tbh, I can't remember the reason that we decided to avoid them. I bet there was a really good one though | 09:42 |
| mdke | we never take wrong decisions | 09:42 |
| mdke | >_> | 09:42 |
| mdke | <+< | 09:42 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:42 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:42 |
| mpt | We just take circuitous routes to victory | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | that's right | 09:42 |
| nixternal | couldn't have said it better myself | 09:42 |
| nixternal | i will go through and doctor them up, there is a still a "TON" of work to do in that section | 09:43 |
| nixternal | i scoured the forums (Ubuntu & Kubuntu), the wiki, and used strigi on my lists to come up with an entire list of questions | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | I dislike those "the section" things | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather use my own wording | 09:43 |
| nixternal | same here LaserJock | 09:44 |
| nixternal | anybody want to take a couple of sections of the Kubuntu TBH :) | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | TBH? | 09:44 |
| mdke | nixternal: i will look through the archive because I'm curious now | 09:44 |
| mdke | LaserJock: can you remember? | 09:45 |
| mdke | LaserJock: iirc, it was in relation to the packaging guide that it came up | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | which topic? | 09:45 |
| mdke | LaserJock: xreflabels v. no xreflabels | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | why we went to xrefs instead of linend or something | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | oh, well it was because of translatablility | 09:46 |
| mdke | OH YEAH! | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | because the labels are in the tag | 09:46 |
| mdke | I KNEW IT! | 09:46 |
| mdke | always a good reason | 09:46 |
| mdke | LaserJock: you're a genius, nice one | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | but I'd rather it default to putting no lanuguage in | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | heh, I'm surprised my brain coughed that one up ;-) | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | now where did my pen go ... | 09:47 |
| mdke | the absent minded genius... | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | I got the absent minded professor thing down really well | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | Quantum Mechanics is ok, it's just remembing how to add that gets me some times ;-) | 09:48 |
| mdke | mpt: I took your name in vain on bug 77033, by the way | 09:49 |
| Ubug2 | Malone bug 77033 in gnome-panel "Remove "Online Documentation" from System/Help menu" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77033 | 09:49 |
| mdke | we need to get cracking on integrating material from the book so that we can get that other superfluous menu entry removed | 09:51 |
| nixternal | who wants to come to chicago in april and give a talk along side Chris Dibona at Flourish? (an OSS event) | 09:54 |
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| nixternal | well then, come on down ;) | 09:54 |
| mdke | I wish :( | 09:54 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu Chicago is going to have a booth, and they want me (or somebody) to give a talk about Feisty and the future | 09:55 |
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| mdke | invite sabdfl | 09:56 |
| nixternal | heh, i will CC him in an email to spark interest | 09:57 |
| nixternal | i mean, Chris Dibona, we need someone BIG | 09:57 |
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| mdke | what's a good subdomain for webmail? mail and webmail are ruled out | 10:04 |
| mdke | I was thinking maybe postbox | 10:04 |
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| nixternal | loveletters.mdke.org | 10:06 |
| dsas | presuming the other subdomains are in use by others and won't get confused, what's wrong with "email" ? | 10:06 |
| mdke | dsas: yes, maybe that's the way forward | 10:06 |
| dsas | mailbox could also be good. | 10:07 |
| mdke | mailboxes is used, maybe mailbox is free | 10:07 |
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| mpt | mdke, btw, "System Documentation" is a load of syllables, I'd much prefer "Ubuntu Help" | 10:18 |
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| mdke | mpt: that repeats the higher menu title... "Documentation" is what I'd suggest | 10:24 |
| mdke | it contrasts nicely with Community/Commercial support | 10:25 |
| mdke | mpt: by the way sabdfl has posted again :( | 10:25 |
| nixternal | im not getting wiki messages anymore, something is broke (wiki edit messages) | 10:27 |
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| nixternal | i take that back, further research indicates that gmail has began marking Wiki messages and ubuntu-marketing-owner messages as SPAM | 10:43 |
| nixternal | nice | 10:43 |
| dsas | nixternal: They've made their spam filter more aggressive this week apparently | 10:52 |
| nixternal | obviously | 10:52 |
| nixternal | they have a lot of "Ubuntu" email in there | 10:52 |
| mpt | mdke, yes, but using jargon synonyms isn't really better than repetition :-P | 10:54 |
| mdke | mpt: the problem with help is that it isn't distinguished with the other entries in the menu, that's *why* it's the title of the menu | 10:55 |
| mpt | "System Documentation" isn't distinguished either | 10:56 |
| mpt | at least, not in a way that anyone would understand. | 10:56 |
| mpt | (And yes, this is a symptom of the problem of trying to explain the various types of help in something as small as a menu.) | 10:57 |
| mdke | mpt: I suggested "Documentation" | 10:57 |
| mpt | Nobody wants documentation. | 10:57 |
| mpt | ok, I should clarify that | 10:57 |
| mdke | hell, I'd be in favour of abolishing the help menu too and including links on the front page, but can you please convince Mark? | 10:57 |
| mpt | No non-geeks want documentation | 10:57 |
| mdke | are you good at leaning on Mark? | 10:58 |
| mpt | mdke, I think the most likely way of doing that is forcing him to watch people try to use it. I don't think that will happen soon, though. | 10:59 |
| mdke | :( | 10:59 |
| mdke | what I'd like is if the docteam got trusted on things like the help menu | 10:59 |
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| mdke | but he seems pretty resistant | 11:00 |
| mdke | I'll go round his house with some heavies | 11:00 |
| mpt | uhhhh | 11:00 |
| mpt | Never mind the heavies | 11:00 |
| mdke | he has bodyguards? | 11:01 |
| mpt | You live in the same city, why not call him up and ask if you can meet face-to-face? | 11:01 |
| mdke | ah, that's a serious suggestion | 11:01 |
| mdke | good plan | 11:01 |
| mpt | I really need to go out now, but I'll e-mail you later | 11:02 |
| mdke | mpt: :) | 11:02 |
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