[12:18] I'll always be around with Ubuntu - and documentation is one of the ways that I can contribute [12:18] that and advocacy [12:18] go for it! [12:18] feel free to dive into our repository too :) [12:20] mdke: I can't seem to join the wiki team myself [12:20] you can apply [12:21] looks like I was a member and then left, now I don't get the option to apply again [12:23] tristanbob: really? [12:24] ok, reactivated [12:25] thanks mdke === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEF074.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:45] nixternal: sorry, i havent been able to do any work on the kubuntu docs [02:46] that's alright, I have been working little by little, but I have been tied up with some KDE Docs and KHelpCenter [02:47] nixternal: work + school is leaving me no time at all, i think i should officially take a hiatus [02:47] hehe [02:47] i hear you there [02:47] school starts back up next week [02:47] 20 credits, so i will be pretty busy as well [02:48] i only have 9, but i got to study (an almost entirely new area) for me, so that is a time sucker [02:48] i had lots of time when i was doing research, lol [02:48] ya, i have anthropology and philosophy this semester and both of them are new to me as well [02:48] ya, most of my classes are research and field based this time around [02:49] those will be fairly easy, since i use some of the stuff i do here as field based [02:49] i dont want to leave the teams, but i dont want to give the impression that i will get anything done [02:52] well, jsgotangco is on a hiatus now, and checks in every now and then [02:53] mgalvin took a little break, it happens, everyone needs a break every now and then [02:53] everytime i start to burn out a little bit i get involved with something new to respark my interest [02:53] yeah, i will keep checking back in, hopefully i will start back work during summer [02:54] i already spend > 14 hours in front of the computer, it doesn't feel very nice to work after that :P [02:54] hehe, i definitely know that feeling [02:56] now imagine what I go through. [02:56] no doubt, you spend 26 hours a day on the computer [02:56] closer to 76, it feels like [02:56] i am a mere mortal, crimsun :) [02:56] robotgeek: I'm not even a mortal; I'm a peon. [02:57] anyways, i gotta run. maybe catch some extra sleep for tomorrow [02:57] later guys! [02:57] cya [02:58] later === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-221-125.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud_ [n=sean@dsl-242-159-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p5496493F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.177] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt drowns mdke in typographical jargon === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-135.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === XiXaQ [n=joerlend@237-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-170-224.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:07] ping mdke [03:07] mdke: do you know when there will be a new version of the translated edgy documentation? === Belutz [n=belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57AEE076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:10] hi folks, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients refers ti EdubuntuInstallNotes which is blank.. === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEE076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === glatzor__ [n=sebi@p57AEE076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-254.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57AEE076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED275.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trappist [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:36] glatzor: none planned atm. You think it would be advisable? [08:37] mdke: for sure. it was quite an effort to translate the desktop guide. [08:38] mdke: and the end of edgy comes nearer every day. [08:38] glatzor: well, not the "end" :) But sure, we'll consider it then [08:39] glatzor: do you know if all those errors were fixed? [08:41] mdke: wait, I will check it. [08:42] I don't know if we should update it on a per-language basis, or for all languages [08:46] mdke: are there any other languages that made good progress? === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-14-92.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] you could drop a mail to ubuntu.translators which teams would like to see a release === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [08:47] mdke: the bugs don't affect the desktop guide. and I am sorry, but I don't have the patience to fix typos at the moment. [08:47] glatzor: I meant the validation errors... [08:47] mdke: I could do this at Sunday. [08:48] mdke: http://files.glatzor.de/dg/desktopguide/de/ [08:48] that sounds like a yes [08:49] I haven't build it in the last three weeks or so. [08:50] But we only fixed minor typos in this phase. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:53] glatzor: ok, good job [08:55] nixternal: our policy until now has been to avoid using xrefflags === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:09] why is that? [09:09] they work great for linking w/o getting the 'the section blah blah' === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:14] mdke: do you recommend using Blah isntead? === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:39] nixternal: you should use xref, I think [09:39] what's wrong with "the section"? [09:39] i don't want the words "the section" for some of the links im doing [09:40] nixternal: why? [09:40] because im using htem in a list, to link to another section w/in the document [09:41] they are fine when using the "See " [09:41] nixternal, actually, I don't think "the section" is ever appropriate [09:41] so maybe report a bug asking for it to be removed [09:41] i have no problem rewording the document though to make them work in order to follow along with the policy though [09:41] mpt: in Kubuntu, he can remove it himself [09:41] cool [09:42] in the build stage [09:42] nixternal: tbh, I can't remember the reason that we decided to avoid them. I bet there was a really good one though [09:42] we never take wrong decisions [09:42] >_> [09:42] <+< [09:42] hehe [09:42] lol [09:42] We just take circuitous routes to victory [09:42] that's right [09:42] couldn't have said it better myself [09:43] i will go through and doctor them up, there is a still a "TON" of work to do in that section [09:43] i scoured the forums (Ubuntu & Kubuntu), the wiki, and used strigi on my lists to come up with an entire list of questions [09:43] I dislike those "the section" things [09:43] I'd rather use my own wording [09:44] same here LaserJock [09:44] anybody want to take a couple of sections of the Kubuntu TBH :) [09:44] TBH? [09:44] nixternal: i will look through the archive because I'm curious now [09:45] LaserJock: can you remember? [09:45] LaserJock: iirc, it was in relation to the packaging guide that it came up [09:45] which topic? [09:45] LaserJock: xreflabels v. no xreflabels [09:45] why we went to xrefs instead of linend or something [09:46] oh, well it was because of translatablility [09:46] OH YEAH! [09:46] because the labels are in the tag [09:46] I KNEW IT! [09:46] always a good reason [09:46] LaserJock: you're a genius, nice one [09:46] but I'd rather it default to putting no lanuguage in [09:47] heh, I'm surprised my brain coughed that one up ;-) [09:47] now where did my pen go ... [09:47] the absent minded genius... [09:47] yeah [09:47] I got the absent minded professor thing down really well [09:48] Quantum Mechanics is ok, it's just remembing how to add that gets me some times ;-) [09:49] mpt: I took your name in vain on bug 77033, by the way [09:49] Malone bug 77033 in gnome-panel "Remove "Online Documentation" from System/Help menu" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77033 [09:51] we need to get cracking on integrating material from the book so that we can get that other superfluous menu entry removed [09:54] who wants to come to chicago in april and give a talk along side Chris Dibona at Flourish? (an OSS event) === mdke puts his hand up === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:54] well then, come on down ;) [09:54] I wish :( [09:55] Ubuntu Chicago is going to have a booth, and they want me (or somebody) to give a talk about Feisty and the future === nixternal prefers the (or somebody) [09:56] invite sabdfl [09:57] heh, i will CC him in an email to spark interest [09:57] i mean, Chris Dibona, we need someone BIG === mpt goes on a gain-weight-fast diet [10:04] what's a good subdomain for webmail? mail and webmail are ruled out [10:04] I was thinking maybe postbox === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:06] loveletters.mdke.org [10:06] presuming the other subdomains are in use by others and won't get confused, what's wrong with "email" ? [10:06] dsas: yes, maybe that's the way forward [10:07] mailbox could also be good. [10:07] mailboxes is used, maybe mailbox is free === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:18] mdke, btw, "System Documentation" is a load of syllables, I'd much prefer "Ubuntu Help" === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:24] mpt: that repeats the higher menu title... "Documentation" is what I'd suggest [10:25] it contrasts nicely with Community/Commercial support [10:25] mpt: by the way sabdfl has posted again :( [10:27] im not getting wiki messages anymore, something is broke (wiki edit messages) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:43] i take that back, further research indicates that gmail has began marking Wiki messages and ubuntu-marketing-owner messages as SPAM [10:43] nice [10:52] nixternal: They've made their spam filter more aggressive this week apparently [10:52] obviously [10:52] they have a lot of "Ubuntu" email in there [10:54] mdke, yes, but using jargon synonyms isn't really better than repetition :-P [10:55] mpt: the problem with help is that it isn't distinguished with the other entries in the menu, that's *why* it's the title of the menu [10:56] "System Documentation" isn't distinguished either [10:56] at least, not in a way that anyone would understand. [10:57] (And yes, this is a symptom of the problem of trying to explain the various types of help in something as small as a menu.) [10:57] mpt: I suggested "Documentation" [10:57] Nobody wants documentation. [10:57] ok, I should clarify that [10:57] hell, I'd be in favour of abolishing the help menu too and including links on the front page, but can you please convince Mark? [10:57] No non-geeks want documentation [10:58] are you good at leaning on Mark? [10:59] mdke, I think the most likely way of doing that is forcing him to watch people try to use it. I don't think that will happen soon, though. [10:59] :( [10:59] what I'd like is if the docteam got trusted on things like the help menu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:00] but he seems pretty resistant [11:00] I'll go round his house with some heavies [11:00] uhhhh [11:00] Never mind the heavies [11:01] he has bodyguards? [11:01] You live in the same city, why not call him up and ask if you can meet face-to-face? [11:01] ah, that's a serious suggestion [11:01] good plan [11:02] I really need to go out now, but I'll e-mail you later [11:02] mpt: :) === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc