[01:40] <ryanakca> will xubuntu run on 64mb ram?
[01:43] <grazie> ryanakca: yes. you'll need the alternative installation disk or network install.
[01:44] <grazie> 128M would be better
[01:45] <ryanakca> grazie: well, I'm installing it on my friend's old PC... made in 97 iirc, IBM... really old thing... they were going to throw it out...
[01:45] <maxamillion> ryanakca: i have seen Xubuntu run on 64mb of ram ... its not the snappiest of things, but its not horrible
[01:47] <grazie> night all
[01:47] <ryanakca> maxamillion: yeah... well, it definitly won't be running beryl or anything demanding... probably firefox, gaim/kopete, and openoffice/abiword/koffice (I have yet to figure out with office suit uses less ram/is fastest...)
[01:48] <cellofellow> maybe Google stuff, Docs & Spreadsheats, Gmail, GCal, that sort of thing. Only one program, Firefox, running.
[01:48] <cellofellow> OOo definetly not.
[01:48] <maxamillion> ryanakca: abiword is the lightest i have found .... abiword and firefox will be a little slow on 64mb of ram but i think it will be usable
[01:49] <ryanakca> kk
[01:50] <cellofellow> ted is the lightest I've seen, but it's practically a Rich Text Editor.
[01:50] <cellofellow> not word processor
[01:51] <maxamillion> yeah ... ted is pretty good for what it does
[01:51] <vidd> isnt there a lighter web browser?
[01:51] <vidd> like a stripped down firefox?
[01:51] <cellofellow> none I know without GNOME or KDE depends
[01:52] <cellofellow> Galeon, Epiphany, Konqueror. Opera too.
[01:52] <vidd> which, of course, misses the mark
[01:52] <maxamillion> there is swiftfox ... but its ... annoying
[01:52] <vidd> more annoying then 64 meg ram?
[01:52] <vidd> =] 
[01:53] <cellofellow> what's annoying about it? I use it. It isn't particullary lightweight. Faster on the CPU than Firefox.
[01:53] <cellofellow> I like it.
[01:53] <maxamillion> i just don't like how many people freak out about it in the forums
[01:54] <cellofellow> I don't. :) I didn't mention it till you did.
[01:54] <maxamillion> "zomg, swiftfox flash isn't working ... sound in swiftfox, java in swiftfox" ... and i really wanna be like "ITS NOT IN THE REPOS FOR A REASON"
[01:54] <xorg_start> i need help in xubuntu
[01:54] <xorg_start> i am trying to start a GUI in server mode
[01:54] <xorg_start> and startx isn't working
[01:54] <xorg_start> says command is not found
[01:55] <cellofellow> all works here, for swiftfox. sound, mplayer, gnash.
[01:55] <maxamillion> xorg_start: did you install xorg and xserver-xorg?
[01:55] <xorg_start> i did sudo apt-get install xorg*
[01:55] <maxamillion> cellofellow: mmmm gnash, can't wait till that is stable
[01:55] <xorg_start> and it installed 150 mb of xorg stuff
[01:55] <xorg_start> i'll try xserver-xorg
[01:55] <xorg_start> thanx
[01:55] <maxamillion> xorg_start: now do "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg" and it should work
[01:55] <vidd> maxamillion, gnash?
[01:55] <maxamillion> :)
[01:55] <maxamillion> vidd: gnu flash player
[01:55] <cellofellow> vidd: gnu glash
[01:56] <cellofellow> works great for YouTube.
[01:56] <vidd> sweet
[01:56] <cellofellow> some sights balk when they detect a "fake" flash player.
[01:56] <cellofellow> sites
[01:56] <vidd> mayby i can get the kid on linux in the near future
[01:56] <cellofellow> hi there Jester45
[01:57] <vidd> he was upset the last time i got angry at his crashed systemn and installed breezy on it
[01:57] <maxamillion> vidd: mine will be a kernel hacker by the time hes 12 ... when i have one that is
[01:57] <Jester45> how can i run a vpn daemon and have web based access
[01:57] <Jester45> hi
[01:57] <xorg_start> it will not install xserver because it says the CD is scratched
[01:57] <xorg_start> can i not just download the deb through apt-get from the web only (no CD)?
[01:57] <maxamillion> xorg_start: no net connection?
[01:57] <vidd> xorg_start, remove the cd
[01:58] <xorg_start> i have a net connectino
[01:58] <xorg_start> it still wants the CD in though
[01:58] <maxamillion> xorg_start: yeah, ditch the cd and get it from the net
[01:58] <cellofellow> Hitachi should be able to do that. Just install lighttpd or apache and tell it to use the virtual /dev/ham device.
[01:58] <Jester45> xorg_start: you might have ot add the repos
[01:58] <vidd> sudo mousepad .etc/apt/sources.list
[01:58] <cellofellow> not .
[01:58] <Jester45> cellofellow: you talking to me?
[01:58] <cellofellow>  /
[01:58] <cellofellow> yeah, oops
[01:58] <vidd> put a "#" in front of the cd (remove the quotes)
[01:59] <Jester45> cellofellow: isnt hitachi a tv company?
[01:59] <maxamillion> xorg_start: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" ... put a # infront of the line that talks about the CD as a source, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit and the "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg"
[01:59] <xorg_start> Jester, how do i do that?
[01:59] <xorg_start> ok, let me try that
[01:59] <cellofellow> Jester45: hamachi I meant
[01:59] <maxamillion> vidd: he doesn't have a gui .. no mousepad ;)
[01:59] <Jester45> xorg_start: look above
[01:59] <Jester45> use vim
[01:59] <cellofellow> nano then
[01:59] <vidd> D'OH
[01:59] <maxamillion> Jester45: no, never wish vim on a new user
[01:59] <cellofellow> nano for newbs.
[01:59] <vidd> s/mousepad/nano
[02:00] <somerville32> Do they not have a command line?
[02:00] <somerville32> Why not just use Applications > System > Software Sources
[02:00] <Jester45> maxamillion: im new i never used nano and vim worked
[02:00] <cellofellow> somerville32: no x, server edition.
[02:00] <maxamillion> somerville32: we are trying to get X installed ontop of a server sli setup ;)
[02:00] <maxamillion> Jester45: erm ... ok
[02:00] <cellofellow> Jester45: took me a LONG time to figure out how to exit vi.
[02:00] <Jester45> cellofellow: apt-cache search didnt show that package
[02:00] <maxamillion> :q
[02:01] <Jester45> its ^E right?
[02:01] <maxamillion> ok ... i'm off work, laters all!
[02:01] <Jester45> bye
[02:01] <cellofellow> Jester45: it's not in the repos. But, still, most VPN systems should let you use apache.
[02:01] <maxamillion> Jester45: esc+:q is the "true" vi way to do it
[02:01] <Jester45> oo its Q no E
[02:02] <Jester45> cellofellow: and how wil that work with apache...like whats the type of interface
[02:02] <cellofellow> Jester45: it makes a P2P VPN network, SSH based, with a virtual /dev/ham ethernet device.
[02:03] <cellofellow> Apache can be made device-specific.
[02:03] <pidgas> anyone else here use the nvidia-glx driver?  Anyone else having problems with the new release?
[02:03] <Jester45> cellofellow: ok thats only text right?
[02:03] <vidd> pidgas, you using the proprietary driver?
[02:03] <cellofellow> Jester45: nah, it's a virtual LAN over the Internet, encrypted with SSH.
[02:04] <Jester45> cellofellow: ok i must be confused i want to be at a remote computer that i can look at my screen with
[02:04] <pidgas> yeah vidd
[02:04] <pidgas> I am
[02:04] <cellofellow> Jester45: you said VPN. I guess you meant VNC.
[02:04] <Jester45> cellofellow: but i cant install anything and i has to work on windows
[02:05] <Jester45> i guess
[02:05] <cellofellow> realvnc should work. There may be a Java-applet client that you can embed in a web-page.
[02:05] <vidd> pidgas, sorry i cant help
[02:06] <cellofellow> pidgas: I use the nvidia driver. what's up?
[02:06] <pidgas> thanks vidd, u use only the free ones?  can they do anything with beryl or compiz?
[02:06] <pidgas> Hey cellofellow
[02:06] <somerville32> Is there anyone here who would be willing to test Xubuntu Herd 2 for me?
[02:06] <Jester45> no
[02:06] <vidd> it works with beryl.....i used it for about a week on my laptop
[02:06] <pidgas> cool vidd...i might check it out
[02:06] <vidd> somerville32, i will
[02:06] <pidgas> prolly will if I can't get this straight
[02:07] <cellofellow> somerville32: I might be able to spare a little while to test under QEMU, but I can
[02:07] <cellofellow> 't install it
[02:07] <somerville32> !testing
[02:07] <ubotu> For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
[02:07] <somerville32> If you have any questions, please feel free to ask
[02:07] <cellofellow> QEMU is so slow, I won't be able to test perfomance
[02:07] <pidgas> cello, have you upgraded to the newest version nvidia-glx?
[02:07] <cellofellow> yeah, I did.
[02:07] <vidd> somerville32, this was the link i been asking for LAST WEEK!
[02:07] <cellofellow> not the 9xxx stuff, just the new one in the repos
[02:08] <vidd> ...
[02:08] <Jester45> !info rfb
[02:08] <pidgas> the one that depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.9629?
[02:08] <vidd> let me get my laptop fired up
[02:08] <ubotu> rfb: VNC Server for X11 - exports current display. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-12 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 664 kB
[02:08] <pidgas> ok, so back to basics for me...how can you tell where a package in synaptic is coming from?
[02:08] <cellofellow> pidgas: not sure. I use the -legacy version, so it may not.
[02:09] <cellofellow> pidgas: how do you meen?
[02:09] <pidgas> where, if anywhere, does it say that this package infor comes from this repo?
[02:09] <pidgas> does that make sense?
[02:09] <cellofellow> oh, like Main, Universe, Multiverse stuff?
[02:09] <pidgas> sorta
[02:09] <pidgas> yeah
[02:10] <pidgas> I've installed some packages, eg Beryl, that required me to add repos
[02:10] <pidgas> i know where that infor comes from b/c it's in the url
[02:10] <cellofellow> dunno, never used synaptic. Aptitude does though. Very simple. The package tree is organized into categories, then source repos, then the pckages.
[02:10] <pidgas> but, what repo holds the nvidia-glx packages
[02:10] <pidgas> AHH
[02:10] <cellofellow> restricted. I think.
[02:11] <pidgas> do you just use command line apt-get?
[02:11] <cellofellow> aptitude actually. command line and curses mode.
[02:11] <pidgas> i'll ask about the differences another time when I'm not about to eat dinner with the family
[02:11] <pidgas> or read about 'em myself
[02:12] <cellofellow> just type Aptitude into a terminal, and you'll see the semi-gui curses mode.
[02:12] <cellofellow> s/Aptitude/aptitude
[02:12] <pidgas> cool
[02:12] <pidgas> well, I updated the packages and marked all upgrades.  nvidia-glx got "upgraded" and/or removed.
[02:13] <pidgas> I think it might have been removed b/c I went from the 386 kernel to generic for SMP
[02:13] <pidgas> anyhow, X complained when I eventually rebooted and I went to reinstall nvidia-glx
[02:13] <pidgas> only now I can't seem to get a version that works with an edgy kernel
[02:14] <cellofellow> SMP, you've a dual-core?
[02:14] <pidgas> the new version demands nvidia-kernel-1.0.92xx and that only goes with kernels 2.6.19 and up i guess
[02:14] <pidgas> yeah, i lucked out and my work computer is a core 2 duo
[02:14] <cellofellow> core2duo, you using the 64bit or 32bit version?
[02:15] <pidgas> i was lookin around and saw in /proc/cpuinfo that I only had one core
[02:15] <pidgas> using 32 bit...i like flash to work
[02:15] <pidgas> don't want to mess with the 32 bit browser s&*$
[02:15] <cellofellow> yeah, 32bit for multimedia, 64bit for total performance.
[02:15] <pidgas> you speak the truth
[02:16] <cellofellow> well, I dunno what to do.
[02:16] <pidgas> so now I'm seemingly caught in no mans land
[02:16] <cellofellow> you could try using the nv driver for now.
[02:16] <pidgas> yeah...I think I will
[02:16] <cellofellow> maybe ask in the forums or on the xubuntu-users mailing list. They may know more than me.
[02:17] <pidgas> much thanks, irritated wife just said..."For your information, I'm eating by myself."  Her tone says "get off the f&*&ing computer"
[02:17] <pidgas> I best jet
[02:17] <cellofellow> ok, cya
[02:17] <pidgas> thanks for the help!
[02:17] <cellofellow> !generic
[02:17] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[02:18] <cellofellow> hmm,
[02:18] <vidd> somerville32, you should remember i LIKE to test installs....
[02:18] <cellofellow> I don't think testing in a vm counts, so I'll let it lie.
[02:19] <vidd> somerville32 remember that i reinstalled edgy like 20 times before i got it to work right?
[02:19] <somerville32> vidd: hehe
[02:19] <vidd> somerville32, im testing the alt cd..ok?
[02:19] <somerville32> kk
[02:19] <vidd> the live never liked my systems
[02:20] <cellofellow> to install the generic kernel, do I just have to install linux-generic?
[02:20] <vidd> somerville32, s/the/a ?
[02:21] <vidd> i CANT be the ONLY one!
[02:21] <cellofellow> !linux-generic
[02:21] <ubotu> linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.17.10 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:22] <xorg_start> i just installed xserver and now its not booting the kernel
[02:22] <cellofellow> :o
[02:23] <vidd> xorg_start, that is SO wrong!
[02:23] <vidd> that is windows-live-cd wrong!
[02:23] <xorg_start> can anyone help me?
[02:23] <cellofellow> xorg_start: what's grub's config look like?
[02:24] <xorg_start> it just freezes after booting the kernel
[02:24] <xorg_start> or rather at that stage
[02:25] <xorg_start> uncompressing linux....OK, booting the kernel, and now it just sits
[02:25] <cellofellow> any error messages?
[02:25] <xorg_start> nope
[02:25] <xorg_start> just won't bring up a GUI or command line
[02:25] <xorg_start> just sits there
[02:25] <cellofellow> what are the options? ro quiet?
[02:25] <xorg_start> yes, i think i saw that
[02:25] <xorg_start> its still on my other screen
[02:25] <vidd> hit <cntr><alt><f2>
[02:26] <xorg_start> ok
[02:26] <xorg_start> nothing happened
[02:26] <cellofellow> if init hasn't done squat, which it can't do till the kernel has booted, that won't work.
[02:26] <cellofellow> init sets up the v-terms
[02:26] <vidd> cellofellow, ooppss
[02:26] <cellofellow> is savedefault in there, xorg_start?
[02:27] <xorg_start> can i somehow do a safemode for xubuntu starting
[02:27] <xorg_start> i can catch it on grub start up when it counts from 2
[02:27] <xorg_start> thats it
[02:27] <cellofellow> press esc, then choose "recovery mode, which give you a cli environment as root.
[02:27] <vidd> xorg_start, yes...its called recovery mode i think
[02:28] <xorg_start> ok, i'll try
[02:28] <vidd> cellofellow, you type fast....
[02:28] <cellofellow> I do?
[02:29] <xorg_start> ok, i think i found the error, its bigtron on the kernel that won't boot
[02:29] <cellofellow> you don't touch-type? I don't properly either, have to look now and then.
[02:29] <cellofellow> bigtron?
[02:29] <xorg_start> how do i remove bigtron? sudo apt-get remove *bigtron*?
[02:30] <cellofellow> what is bigtron?
[02:30] <vidd> lol
[02:30] <xorg_start> i don't know, is there a way i can get a GUI working on xubuntu?
[02:30] <xorg_start> i have xorg and xserver files (all of them) installed
[02:31] <xorg_start> startx isn't recognized
[02:31] <vidd> xorg_start, or probably have file mis-match causing issue
[02:31] <cellofellow> do you have GDM and xubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:31] <xorg_start> xubuntu server
[02:31] <cellofellow> gdm not required.
[02:31] <xorg_start> i thought it would come with GUI installed by not startup by default
[02:31] <cellofellow> xubuntu server doesn't exist. Ubuntu server does though.
[02:31] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove xorg8
[02:31] <xorg_start> 8 = *?
[02:31] <cellofellow> xubuntu means XFCE desktop
[02:32] <vidd> then reboot
[02:32] <vidd> tell us if you get a command line
[02:32] <xorg_start> im there now
[02:32] <cellofellow> runlevel 1?
[02:32] <xorg_start> but it says i can't find xorg or xserver* packages when i run
[02:32] <cellofellow> single user
[02:32] <xorg_start> yeah, if thats terminal
[02:32] <xorg_start> yeah
[02:32] <vidd> did you apt-get remove xorg* ?
[02:32] <xorg_start> i ran that sudo
[02:33] <vidd> did you reboot?
[02:33] <cellofellow> no sudo needed if you see a # at the prompt instead of a $.
[02:33] <vidd> damnit!
[02:33] <xorg_start> i didn't reboot
[02:33] <xorg_start> because it didn't find anything to remove
[02:33] <xorg_start> even though i had installed both
[02:33] <xorg_start> and thats what caused the kernel hiccup
[02:34] <cellofellow> sell, install xubuntu-desktop or fluxbox if you want something lighter. They'll drag in and install all you need.
[02:34] <xorg_start> ok, sudo apt-get install fluxbox*
[02:34] <xorg_start> will that work
[02:35] <xorg_start> it can't find the fluxbox gui
[02:35] <cellofellow> ok, lesson here, don't try to open two instances of the same OS, one host and the other in a VM.
[02:35] <xorg_start> i only installed xubuntu, no other OS
[02:35] <cellofellow> xorg_start: can we see your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:35] <xorg_start> sure, i'd have to type it all out though here
[02:35] <cellofellow> fluxbox is a window manager. The one in DSL if you've used that.
[02:36] <xorg_start> yeah
[02:36] <cellofellow> xorg_start: in pastebin please.
[02:36] <cellofellow> !pastebin
[02:36] <xorg_start> it'll work, but what is the deb name
[02:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:36] <xorg_start> how do i apt-get install it
[02:36] <cellofellow> xorg_start: apt-get install fluxbox, no * I think apt doesn't use wildcards.
[02:37] <xorg_start> still can't find fluxbox, the sources.list is the default that came with xubuntu
[02:37] <xorg_start> i formatted and everything b4 installing, just commented out that one CD use line
[02:37] <vidd> i think he used a wildcard b4...and that is what caused his issue
[02:37] <cellofellow> it's in universe, so you'll have to uncomment/add universe to the file.
[02:37] <xorg_start> ok, i'll try to find that in the sources.list
[02:38] <xorg_start> the CD is no good, its scratched
[02:38] <xorg_start> took 2 times to run the install to get it to even install to be usable
[02:39] <cellofellow> why'd you use a scratched CD?
[02:39] <xorg_start> and i have to use xubuntu 6.06 alt.
[02:39] <xorg_start> laptop is being repaired, along with it, the cd burner
[02:39] <cellofellow> oh. :(
[02:39] <cellofellow> no friends you could borrow CD burner for a minute from?
[02:39] <xorg_start> after i install fluxbox, how do i start it and start it up when i start xubuntu
[02:40] <xorg_start> it found it in the univ. packages
[02:40] <vidd> reboot
[02:40] <cellofellow> you'll have to muck around, but I think startfluxbox will work.
[02:40] <cellofellow> no, it won't start automatically yet, not without GDM installed.
[02:40] <xorg_start> sudo apt-get install GDM*?
[02:41] <cellofellow> no *, and just gdm
[02:41] <vidd> xorg_start, no "*" in apt-get
[02:41] <xorg_start> ok
[02:41] <vidd> ever
[02:41] <xorg_start> usually the star helped me remember the name
[02:41] <xorg_start> if i got it wrong
[02:41] <xorg_start> or when i delete things :O
[02:41] <vidd> using the * is probably what got yoiu here in the first place
[02:42] <cellofellow> you can type apt-get install gd<tab> and it'll tab complete like commands.
[02:42] <cellofellow> two tabs to see a list.
[02:42] <xorg_start> thats awesome, that will end the use of the star for me
[02:42] <vidd> cellofellow, i dont think you can auto-complete package installs
[02:43] <cellofellow> vidd: debian patched bash to do it. I use it all the time.
[02:43] <vidd> sweet
[02:43] <vidd> when?
[02:43] <cellofellow> sometime at or before Sarge.
[02:43] <cellofellow> I know it works in sarge.
[02:43] <vidd> really?
[02:43] <xorg_start> startfluxbox gave me errors, i'm rebooting
[02:43] <cellofellow> uh huh
[02:43] <cellofellow> ok
[02:44] <vidd> cellofellow, he going to need to reinstall from jump street
[02:44] <xorg_start> bigiron is killing my kernel
[02:44] <vidd> with a good disk
[02:44] <cellofellow> whatever bigiron is
[02:44] <xorg_start> i don't know
[02:44] <xorg_start> its at the end of the kernel
[02:44] <xorg_start> and its not allowing the kernel to load
[02:44] <vidd> apt-get remove bigiron
[02:44] <xorg_start> and freezing it at that screen
[02:44] <xorg_start> yeah
[02:44] <xorg_start> what im gonna do next when i get back to terminal
[02:45] <vidd> you said you using 6.06 or 6.10?
[02:45] <cellofellow> let me see the menu.lst later.
[02:45] <cellofellow> dapper he said
[02:45] <xorg_start> 6.06, dapper
[02:45] <xorg_start> alternative version
[02:45] <vidd> what is the autoremove command in dapper?
[02:45] <xorg_start> sudo apt-get remove _____?
[02:45] <cellofellow> not alt version, just means text installation instead of live.
[02:45] <cellofellow> apt-get autoremove
[02:45] <cellofellow> I think
[02:45] <xorg_start> yeah, and it installs slower
[02:46] <xorg_start> but its more stable i have found
[02:46] <cellofellow> alt is faster, no X overheah.
[02:46] <cellofellow> overhead
[02:46] <vidd> xorg_start, if you ask me, it installs better5
[02:46] <xorg_start> yeah, it does, but slower
[02:46] <vidd> ive used both....alt is not slower
[02:46] <cellofellow> I've used the same installer program in debain sarge. Not bad. I did the net-install, only took an hour.
[02:46] <xorg_start> startfluxbox doesn't work
[02:47] <xorg_start> its getting too many errors
[02:47] <vidd> heck...its twice as long cuzz ya gotr to wait for the thing to load
[02:47] <cellofellow> is xserver-xorg installed properly?
[02:47] <xorg_start> i don't think, no
[02:47] <cellofellow> well, there you go.
[02:47] <vidd> apt-get remove x11-common
[02:47] <vidd> apt-get autoremove
[02:48] <cellofellow> xserver-xorg too.
[02:48] <xorg_start> ok, i'll do both of those after removing bigiron
[02:48] <vidd> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:48] <cellofellow> then aptitude install xserver-xorg. aptitude so you don't have to worry about autoremove later.
[02:48] <xorg_start> ok, i'll try those four
[02:49] <vidd> cellofellow, then shouldnt he do aptitue remove bigiron x11-common?
[02:50] <cellofellow> nah, install with apt-get, remove with apt-get, install with aptitude, remove with aptitude. They're fundementally different and don't like being mixed too much.
[02:50] <vidd> cellofellow, if he removes x11-common, it will take out xserver-xorg
[02:50] <cellofellow> ok
[02:51] <vidd> well....thye autoremove will anyway, cuzz xserver-xorg depends on x11-common
[02:51] <xorg_start> invalid operation: autoremove
[02:51] <vidd> or do i have that backwards?
[02:52] <vidd> somerville32, what is the autoremove in apt back in dapper?
[02:52] <xorg_start> can't do a sudo apt-get autoremove
[02:52] <xorg_start> i did the apt-get remove x11-common, can i do the sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop now?
[02:52] <vidd> xorg_start, no
[02:53] <xorg_start> ok
[02:53] <vidd> apt-get -h
[02:53] <cellofellow> why not?
[02:53] <xorg_start> that pulled up a list
[02:53] <vidd> cuzz he needs to get all the stuff that depended on it out too
[02:53] <cellofellow> xorg_start: on second thought, sudo apt-get purge x11-common, xserver-xorg*
[02:53] <cellofellow> vidd: oh, yeah
[02:53] <mafu> Does anyone have a good guess on where under /dev an internal card reader can be found?
[02:54] <cellofellow> apt-cache show x11-common, and it will show depends
[02:54] <cellofellow> mafu: if it's IDE, then hd[letter] [number] 
[02:54] <vidd> xorg_start, what in the list looks like a command to remove dependencies?
[02:54] <xorg_start> invalid operation: purge
[02:55] <cellofellow> purge doesn't work either?
[02:55] <xorg_start> nope
[02:55] <cellofellow> reinstall, and then use aptitude from here on out.
[02:55] <xorg_start> i have no CD to reinstall
[02:55] <xorg_start> nor a CD burner
[02:55] <vidd> give me a sec
[02:56] <xorg_start> ok
[02:56] <vidd> i think i found it
[02:56] <cellofellow> I have an edgy DVD here, with the server, alt, and live modes.
[02:56] <cellofellow> I'm gonna reboot. I installed the generic kernel and want to get it working.
[03:00] <xorg_start> just want to let everyone know im still here
[03:01] <vidd> apt-get -f install
[03:02] <xorg_start> ok, i'll do that command
[03:02] <xorg_start> 0 0 0 and 0
[03:02] <xorg_start> it didn't do anything to the system
[03:02] <vidd> reboot
[03:02] <xorg_start> ok
[03:03] <vidd> wb cellofellow
[03:04] <xorg_start> reboot done
[03:04] <vidd> any luck?
[03:04] <xorg_start> the iron remove thing got the kernel working
[03:04] <xorg_start> but no GUI still
[03:05] <vidd> do you have a command line?
[03:05] <xorg_start> yeah
[03:05] <xorg_start> should i run the sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[03:05] <cellofellow> yeah
[03:05] <vidd> yeah
[03:05] <xorg_start> ok, will do
[03:06] <xorg_start> downloading 930 MB
[03:06] <xorg_start> this should take some time
[03:06] <vidd> sounds like a good thing to me
[03:06] <cellofellow> yeah, I've done it. told it to and went to bed.
[03:06] <xorg_start> when this thing is done, i am guessing i'll return to terminal, then all i have to do is a sudo reboot to get xubuntu desktop?
[03:06] <vidd> when it is done, just reboot
[03:06] <xorg_start> b4 i do that
[03:07] <xorg_start> my computer only works on low res
[03:07] <xorg_start> 400x600
[03:07] <xorg_start> or maybe the 800x600
[03:07] <cellofellow> not even that, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start will get you a desktop.
[03:07] <xorg_start> is there a special command for that
[03:07] <xorg_start> or will it autoconfig it
[03:07] <cellofellow> you can do sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set up the resolution and driver settings.
[03:07] <xorg_start> oh, i forgot to do the sudo apt-get install gdm
[03:08] <vidd> it wi;l auto load
[03:08] <cellofellow> xorg_start: no nead, included in x-desktop
[03:08] <xorg_start> ok, sweet
[03:08] <xorg_start> i'll just have to sit this out while these packages download then, thak you all for your help and time
[03:08] <xorg_start> *thank
[03:08] <cellofellow> it's ok. have fun
[03:08] <vidd> that is what we are here for...
[03:09] <cellofellow> ...to have fun helping
[03:09] <vidd> that and to hear you say "IT WORKED!!!"
[03:09] <vidd> that is the pay we get
[03:09] <vidd> =] 
[03:10] <xorg_start> by chance before i go, is there a stable version of TOR out for xubuntu?
[03:10] <cellofellow> there should be something in the repos.
[03:10] <cellofellow> they come from Debian Sid.
[03:10] <xorg_start> im gonna host a TOR node, and was wondering if there was, or if i have to compile it myself again
[03:11] <vidd> what ir TOR?
[03:11] <xorg_start> last i saw was a 0.1.1.3 or something like that version
[03:11] <xorg_start> you can search TOR network on wikipedia
[03:11] <xorg_start> its an encrypted proxy tunneling program
[03:11] <cellofellow> something that can get you in trouble if you abuse it.
[03:12] <xorg_start> as with anything in life
[03:12] <vidd> get me in trouble?
[03:12] <xorg_start> not hosting
[03:12] <vidd> like jail-time trouble?
[03:12] <xorg_start> you're only responsible for what you do
[03:12] <xorg_start> not other people
[03:12] <xorg_start> theres more info on wikipedia
[03:13] <cellofellow> vidd: dunno about jail-time, but expuslion from universities I've heard of.
[03:13] <xorg_start> or they shut you down :)
[03:13] <xorg_start> happy times
[03:13] <xorg_start> im out, thanks again
[03:13] <vidd> sounds like ppl in black suits kicking down your door to me
[03:23] <Jester45> im having troble with usb drives they dont show up on the desktop or thunar but my ipod works
[03:23] <Jester45> any ideas why
[03:24] <crimsun> hal issue?
[03:25] <cellofellow> that's what I thought
[03:25] <cellofellow> he aint getting /dev files either
[03:25] <Jester45> nothing happens when i plug them in
[03:27] <Jester45> i will brbr i got to wash dishes
[03:28] <crimsun> well, if udev isn't enumerating anything, hal can't
[03:30] <cellofellow> crimsun: know anything about v4l?
[03:31] <crimsun> enough to know only what's necessary to keep it out of my life.
[03:31] <cellofellow> :(
[03:31] <cellofellow> know how to get a nogatech x10 working?
[03:31] <crimsun> negative.
[03:31] <cellofellow> know anyone who would?
[03:32] <crimsun> I'm sure Geert would
[03:32] <vidd> cellofellow, what device you trying to get to work?
[03:33] <cellofellow> vidd: it's an iREZ analog video to usb adapter. Nogatech x10 chipset.
[03:33] <cellofellow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332215
[03:34] <vidd> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=509
[03:35] <vidd> cellofellow, that help any?
[03:36] <cellofellow> I didn't think usbvision would work. Only thing is, I dunno how to install third-party drivers like that from source.
[03:37] <cellofellow> 8 FPS? ouch
[03:37] <vidd> i take it that is a BAD thing?
[03:38] <cellofellow> well, I was hoping for 16 at least, 30 tops I would use. 8 FPS is like a slideshow
[03:40] <vidd> my ignorance hanging out again?
[03:40] <cellofellow> I guess so.
[03:40] <cellofellow> FPS == Frames per Second.
[03:40] <cellofellow> the FPS should be high enough you can't see individual frames, and it flows into a moving picture.
[03:41] <cellofellow> the eye sees at 16 FPS, so to be smooth, it needs to be at least 16 FPS.
[03:42] <cellofellow> I found usbvision in a "being packaged" list on debian.org
[03:43] <Jester45> ok im back
[03:43] <vidd> shouldnt be TOO hard to tweek it to run faster?
[03:43] <cellofellow> hi
[03:45] <vidd> so cellofellow what ya learning in school (well, at home school)?
[03:45] <vidd> any particular career path?
[03:45] <Jester45> cellofellow: the eye sees at 300 or more fps you just cant notice when its about about 60 i can tell the diffrent of 30 and 60
[03:46] <Jester45> cellofellow: many windows games have a cap of fps ether at 60 orthe max the montiter go like mine is 75 so when in windows i only get 75 tops without rigging the games
[03:46] <cellofellow> oh, I just read something about the human eye seeing at 16 and a birds, in a bird book once upon a time, can see much higher and it gives them faster reflexes in flight.
[03:47] <crimsun> think hummingbirds
[03:47] <cellofellow> parakeets it was actually. I was reading on them when I got mine. I was about 10 or 11.
[03:49] <vidd> maybe you miss read or remembered incorectly...
[03:49] <cellofellow> maybe, but I doubt it.
[03:50] <vidd> photo graphic memory?
[03:51] <cellofellow> sometimes.
[03:52] <cellofellow> 'cept when it comes to what time things are at.
[03:57] <vidd> ya lose trake of time, or you forget dates and times?
[03:58] <Jester45> i got prefect memory on useless things
[03:58] <vidd> like the ways to annoy ppl?
[03:58] <vidd> just kidding
[03:59] <Jester45> like kintergarden you had to takes a test on cuting a circle out of a peice of papper you where tested if you turned the paper or switched hands or turned your hands
[03:59] <vidd> that is sick
[03:59] <vidd> lol
[04:00] <Jester45> im in 10th grade but still thats 11 years ago
[04:00] <vidd> the 10th grade was like 20 years ago....
[04:00] <Jester45> and i remeber whe things are very well
[04:00] <Jester45> for you
[04:01] <vidd> yeah...im old
[04:01] <vidd> im probably the oldest person here
[04:01] <Jester45> and i mis type when i type to fast at home but i school i type a bit slowe with lots better erorr missing
[04:02] <Jester45> im the youngest
[04:02] <Jester45> anyone younger then 16?
[04:03] <Jester45> ok back to my usb stuff
[04:03] <Jester45> do you know hwo to fix it?
[04:03] <vidd> its broke, get a new one
[04:03] <vidd> =] 
[04:03] <vidd> what is the issue?
[04:04] <Jester45> when i plug in a usb drive nothing happens when i plug in an ipod it works
[04:04] <Jester45> any ideas on why and how to fix
[04:04] <vidd> do you mount the drive?
[04:05] <Jester45> no nothing happens
[04:05] <vidd> i dont think xubuntu (Xfce) auto mounts anything
[04:05] <Jester45> but no icons the system doesnt know i plug it in
[04:05] <vidd> i was asking if you run the command to mount the drive
[04:05] <Jester45> no i didnt have to b4
[04:06] <vidd> what did you change?
[04:06] <Jester45> i pluged it in a icon appered on the desktop then i right click and press mount
[04:06] <Jester45> nothing that i know of
[04:06] <Jester45> it worked a day or to ago
[04:06] <vidd> hafve you rebooted?
[04:06] <vidd> uptime[3d 2h 21m 41s] 
[04:06] <cellofellow> he can't mount an non-existent file like /dev/sda1
[04:07] <Jester45> yes i have
[04:07] <cellofellow> the dev files don't show
[04:07] <Jester45> cellofellow knows a little more then what i said
[04:07] <vidd> does this drive work on another system?
[04:07] <Jester45> yes
[04:07] <Jester45> works fine i used it today
[04:08] <vidd> you use it on another system AFTER it didnt work on this one?
[04:08] <Jester45> they need external ide drives
[04:08] <Jester45> i have used on linux first then on windows thn linux then windows it worked fine on both
[04:09] <Jester45> until now linux doesnt understand
[04:09] <cellofellow> what about usb thumbdrives, do those work?
[04:09] <Jester45> no thats the borken tyhing
[04:09] <vidd> you have a windows that you  can try it on now?
[04:09] <Jester45> my ipod works on the same port
[04:10] <Jester45> not right know but im telling you it worked a few hours ago
[04:10] <cellofellow> how do I fix this: ?
[04:10] <cellofellow> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/josh/Downloads/usbvision/src modules
[04:10] <cellofellow> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[04:10] <Jester45> yesterday it didnt work on linux today it worked on window and now not on linux
[04:10] <Jester45> you missing a directory
[04:10] <Jester45> or file
[04:10] <cellofellow> yeah, what package is that directory in?
[04:11] <cellofellow> build-stuff for generic kernel
[04:11] <Jester45> humm
[04:11] <Jester45> im gonna try qemu on DSL and check
[04:13] <cellofellow> duh. linux-hearders-`uname -r`
[04:13] <cellofellow> headers
[04:14] <Jester45> lol
[04:14] <Jester45> silly cellofellow
[04:21] <Jester45> arrrg
[04:21] <cellofellow> what now?
[04:21] <Jester45> i really need to take somthing to school but its stuck on this computer
[04:22] <Jester45> and i cant dl it from school
[04:22] <Jester45> they log EVERYTHING its so hard to do stuff
[04:24] <Jester45> they log keystrokes and take screenshot every 5 mins
[04:26] <vidd> big brother in the schools?
[04:26] <vidd> how big is the file?
[04:29] <Jester45> 2gb :)
[04:29] <vote4arealclown> ok....i know you always get this question
[04:29] <vote4arealclown> i just installed xubuntu
[04:29] <vote4arealclown> how to I get the gui to launch?
[04:29] <Jester45> umm
[04:29] <vote4arealclown> i tryed startx
[04:30] <Jester45> did you use server install?
[04:30] <vidd> gdm
[04:30] <Jester45> listen to vidd
[04:30] <vote4arealclown> i did the oem install
[04:30] <vidd> *slaps forehead
[04:31] <vidd> this computer being given away to someone else?
[04:31] <vote4arealclown> nope
[04:31] <vote4arealclown> i can reinstall its just a virtual machine
[04:31] <vidd> then why use OEM install?
[04:31] <vidd> use text install
[04:31] <vote4arealclown> cause i'm new
[04:31] <vote4arealclown> brb
[04:31] <vidd> ok
[04:32] <vote4arealclown> i'll reinstall thats like 5 mins
[04:32] <vidd> oem = Original Equiptment Manufacturer
[04:33] <vidd> dont feal bad...LOTS of ppl install the OEM by mistake
[04:33] <Jester45> i just held enter down
[04:35] <Jester45> omg
[04:35] <xorg_start> back
[04:35] <Jester45> i was at 99% and i stoped the dl
[04:35] <vidd> wb
[04:36] <vidd> Jester45, lol
[04:36] <xorg_start> thanks, the sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop failed
[04:36] <xorg_start> can't find the ubuntu.com server (146.x.x.x)
[04:36] <vidd> what was the error?
[04:36] <Jester45> xorg_start: why?
[04:36] <xorg_start> says it failed to connect to it
[04:36] <xorg_start> i can get to internet sites through www-browser
[04:36] <xorg_start> but it gave me this error:
[04:36] <xorg_start> Bad Gateway: 146.x.x.x 80
[04:36] <Jester45> xorg_start: try a apt-get update then run apt-get again
[04:37] <xorg_start> i can't even apt-get update
[04:37] <xorg_start> it says bad gateway
[04:37] <vidd> reboot
[04:37] <xorg_start> i can get to this:
[04:37] <vidd> dhcp failed
[04:37] <xorg_start> www-browser http://whatismyip.com
[04:37] <xorg_start> or any other website
[04:37] <xorg_start> a reboot shouldn't help
[04:37] <vidd> lol Jester45
[04:38] <xorg_start> its not a DHCP or DNS problem
[04:38] <xorg_start> unless ubuntu.com just switched IPs for their DNS
[04:38] <xorg_start> and its cached
[04:38] <vidd> check your sources.list
[04:38] <Jester45> i think ubuntu.com is stuck at that ip
[04:39] <Jester45> so we dot get problems like that
[04:39] <xorg_start> its back up
[04:39] <xorg_start> server glitch on their end
[04:39] <vidd> ok..they needed a reboot
[04:39] <vidd> lol
[04:39] <Jester45> oo no
[04:39] <xorg_start> lol, yeah, its working now
[04:39] <xorg_start> have to redownload all 940 mb
[04:39] <Jester45> a linux server reboot...windows/linux combining?
[04:40] <xorg_start> ahhh, another 30 min
[04:40] <xorg_start> eat time, i'll b back with a report later, thanks again
[04:40] <Jester45> it would be nice if ubuntu was donate a biggr pipe
[04:40] <vidd> linux servers on occation DO need to be restarted
[04:40] <vidd> its like once a YEAR, but they sometimes need to be rebooted
[04:40] <Jester45> yea like major upgrades
[04:41] <Jester45> or hardware fixes/upgrades
[04:42] <Jester45> wonder how that would work
[04:42] <Jester45> gonna try that out this weekend maybe
[04:42] <Jester45> i plugged a harddrive in while it was on
[04:42] <Jester45> big blue flash
[04:42] <Jester45> then computer whent off
[04:43] <vidd> it ever come back on?
[04:43] <Jester45> then i sent drive back :)
[04:43] <Jester45> yes
[04:43] <vote4arealclown> lmao
[04:43] <Jester45> after a min with the power supply diconnected
[04:44] <Jester45> anyone know about theiratebay? they are tring to get 50,000 USD to buy a offshore oil rig thing to run the servers on
[04:44] <vidd> i need a .deb for gxine
[04:44] <Jester45> so they cant get shutdown
[04:44] <Jester45> vidd: trade you one for a ati current version .deb
[04:45] <Jester45> the repos are so old
[04:46] <Jester45> i got edgy
[04:46] <vidd> what is the name of thje file?
[04:46] <Jester45> what file
[04:46] <vidd> ill see what version feisty has
[04:46] <vidd> the ati
[04:46] <Jester45> um
[04:46] <Jester45> xorg-drivers-ati
[04:47] <Jester45> i think
[04:47] <Jester45> the edgy ones are version 1.somthing currents are 2.somthing
[04:47] <Jester45> its a big diffrence
[04:48] <vidd> better check...there is not xorg-drives-ati in these repo's
[04:48] <Jester45> im not sure what it is
[04:48] <Jester45> !fglrx
[04:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:49] <Jester45> !info fglrx
[04:49] <ubotu> Package fglrx does not exist in any distro I know
[04:49] <Jester45> darn
[04:49] <Jester45> aa
[04:49] <vidd> xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:49] <Jester45> xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:50] <vidd> 7.1.0-8.32.5+2.6.20
[04:51] <vidd> .1-6
[04:51] <Jester45> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:51] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.28.8+2.6.17.7-10.1 (edgy), package size 9181 kB, installed size 25892 kB
[04:51] <Jester45> ooo you ogt newer one :)
[04:51] <vidd> !gxine
[04:51] <ubotu> gxine: the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7-1ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 271 kB, installed size 1216 kB
[04:51] <Jester45> its 0.0.04 newer
[04:52] <Jester45> oo im getting a bad gateway for apt-get also
[05:00] <cellofellow> ooooh. I'm trying to compile the usbvision driver for Nogatech/Zoran webcams. It won't build. :(
[05:00] <vote4arealclown> night dudes
[05:01] <cellofellow> anyone have experience building kernel modules?
[05:02] <cellofellow> I'm on 2.6.17-10-generic, so anyone build on that kernel should work.
[05:04] <Jester45> smack it
[05:18] <cellofellow> oooh. I found a patched version I think.
[05:18] <cellofellow> I wish I could smack the module.
[05:19] <cellofellow> looks like the driver is slated for inclusion in 2.6.20
[05:22] <cellofellow> what kernel will feisty have?
[05:22] <cellofellow> I have 2.6.15 hanging around from Dapper, 2.6.17 from Edgy. 2.6.17-generic I installed today.
[05:23] <yotux> Is there problems with installing a custom kernel?
[05:23] <cellofellow> maybe, depends on what's customized. I'm trying to build a video-capture driver module.
[05:24] <yotux> I have noticed that ndiswrapper failed :(
[05:24] <yotux> i have fixed it installed source
[05:24] <yotux> I am new to Xubuntu and not used the to rawness
[05:24] <cellofellow> I'm not worried about wireless. I'm worried about turning the old family video tapes into dvd's.
[05:25] <yotux> It allot of work but fun
[05:25] <cellofellow> This version of this driver, the newest on the sourceforge site, is about a year old or moer.
[05:25] <cellofellow> so, it's not working properly.
[05:25] <yotux> I see
[05:26] <cellofellow> it isn't building.
[05:27] <yotux> I don't know what to tell you
[05:27] <yotux> All of my kernel modules have went well so far
[05:28] <cellofellow> this one is just not liking the 2.6.17 header files, while it reportedly works with older kernels
[05:29] <yotux> Maybe you want to go backwards?
[05:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What errors are you getting?
[05:31] <cellofellow> ooops
[05:32] <cellofellow> same as this guy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=501105&highlight=usbvision+ubuntu
[05:34] <cellofellow> hi max
[05:34] <j1mc> hi all, currently i have grub installed in my MBR, but is there a way to move it to a different spot?  i want to triple boot win2k, xubuntu, & fedora on my laptop.
[05:35] <j1mc> currently, i'm just dual booting bt xubuntu and win2k
[05:35] <cellofellow> so? just use grub to gook all three. fedora prefers lilo but doesn't mind grub
[05:36] <j1mc> but what if fedora or xubuntu needs to update grub . . . will it wipe out the other info?
[05:36] <j1mc> from the other distro?
[05:36] <cellofellow> xubuntu won't. dunno about fedora.
[05:36] <cellofellow> I think...
[05:37] <cellofellow> PuMpErNiCkLe: hello?
[05:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The usual method is to add any new entries, and remove provably deprecated ones.  If they modify Grub's config any other way, they're being silly.
[05:38] <cellofellow> update-grub is sometimes a little unreasonable.
[05:38] <cellofellow> PuMpErNiCkLe: what about the kernel module?
[05:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It looks like bad code - I'd have to download it to see why, though.
[05:40] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (Which I'm not up for, tonight - sorry.)
[05:40] <cellofellow> apparently it works in older kernels, and hasn't been update on sf.net since november 05
[05:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It may need to be patched to work with newer releases.
[05:44] <cellofellow> yeah. :(
[05:45] <maxamillion> i am so tired of Xubuntu being excluded from the *buntu family
[05:45] <cellofellow> Something about no ShipIt CD's?
[05:46] <maxamillion> no ...
[05:46] <maxamillion> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336037
[05:46] <Jester45> night
[05:48] <cellofellow> I gtg. Cya.
[06:01] <kalikiana> Can someone tell me how I loop through every *.po file in a folder using shell script?
[06:02] <maxamillion> echo *.po ...?
[06:03] <kalikiana> maxamillion: I need something to apply several commands to every *.po file.
[06:03] <kalikiana> I'm really akward when it comes to shellscripting :/
[06:04] <maxamillion> me too ... lemme check
[06:05] <maxamillion> kalikiana: well .. technically couldn't you just write it as a python script and just read all .po files into a list, then execute the commands in a loop?
[06:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/loops1.html
[06:06] <kalikiana> in python that wouldn't be a thing, right, but i'd like to have it in a shellscript..
[06:07] <maxamillion> kalikiana: fair enough
[06:09] <kalikiana> Pumpernickle: Thank you.
[06:12] <Mungooz> Hello
[06:14] <maxamillion> hi
[06:14] <Mungooz> we can get help with xubuntu here?
[06:14] <kalikiana> Mungooz: Just ask. :)
[06:14] <kalikiana> We'll be glad to help.
[06:14] <Mungooz> awesome
[06:15] <Mungooz> How do I edit the main menu list that in the panel?
[06:15] <Mungooz> There are programs there that I don't want to be in there.
[06:16] <Mungooz> and some wine programs that were removed but still show up.
[06:16] <kalikiana> Open /usr/share/applications as root and delete or change the desktop files.
[06:16] <kalikiana> gksudo Thunar /usr/share/applications
[06:18] <Mungooz> ok thanks I'll give that a shot.
[07:36] <hyper_ch> how can I quit the xsession?
[08:28] <Commander-Crowe> pash
[08:28] <Commander-Crowe> hi all
[08:30] <kalikiana> hi
[08:40] <hyper_ch> hiho Commander-Crowe
[08:44] <toxik`> Is there libSDL in apt?
[08:46] <hyper_ch> toxik`: search for it:   apt-cache search SDL
[08:47] <toxik`> Oh, found it, but I can't find libopenal
[09:03] <toxik`> Meh, do I have to build openAL myself? I can't find it with apt-cache search and I can't find anything but build fail info on google
[09:09] <toxik`> hm, I might be able to use the .deb from the debian aptitude repos, but how do I install a .deb?
[09:10] <kalikiana> toxik: doulbe-click
[09:10] <kalikiana> s/doulbe/double
[09:15] <toxik`>  kalikiana from a terminal?
[09:17] <kalikiana> toxik: "dpkg -x FILE" it is, i think
[09:21] <toxik`> kalikiana: thank you
[09:22] <kalikiana> :)
[09:22] <toxik`> I got it running by using Thunar and double-clicking :-P
[09:37] <toxik`> Windows says my graphics card is "SiS 661FX 760 741 M661FX M760 M741" and my xubuntu is using Mesa video drivers, are there any faster options?
[09:47] <hyper_ch> toxik`: please execute  the folloing command in a shell terminal:    lspci | grep vga
[09:48] <hyper_ch> toxik`: sorry:   lspci | grep VGA
[10:05] <toxik`> hyper_ch: I fixed it, sorry, I had to leave the terminal - I set the driver from mesa to sis
[10:05] <toxik`> Works like a charm now, thank you
[10:08] <Sam___> Hi everybody!
[10:10] <hyper_ch> hi Sam___
[10:10] <Sam___> I'vegot a question...
[10:14] <Sam___> A fresh installation of Xubuntu OS (Ex.Dapper-Drake) use, by default, ~40 RAM' s MByte.
[10:14] <Sam___> Can I reduce RAM's usage, ex uninstalling some unuseless packages?
[10:17] <echosystm> you can reduce ram usage by disabling services and things that load on startup
[10:17] <echosystm> things that arent running wont use any ram
[10:17] <echosystm> :P
[10:18] <echosystm> that said, best way to get xubuntu running
[10:18] <echosystm> grab the alternate cd
[10:18] <echosystm> and do a minimal install
[10:18] <echosystm> so just like, xfce4, x-window-system-core, firefox, etc.
[10:18] <hyper_ch> Sam___: if you even need less stuff, then you may want to use another window manager than xfce
[10:19] <Sam___> Well, for instance?
[10:19] <echosystm> blackbox
[10:19] <echosystm> icewm
[10:19] <echosystm> there are lots of others
[10:20] <echosystm> but if you dont have much experience with linux, you wont like them
[10:20] <hyper_ch> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[10:22] <hyper_ch> Sam___: but this will then be a very lightweight desktop... #fluxbuntu
[10:22] <hyper_ch> Sam___: just depends on your hardware specs or what you want to do
[10:23] <Sam___> Yes, you all are right.
[10:23] <Sam___> It's formy girl's PC.
[10:23] <Sam___> Celeron 433, RAM=64MB... So...
[10:23] <Sam___> Lightness and User friendlyness!
[10:24] <hyper_ch> well, with that ram you very much may consider using fluxbuntu
[10:24] <hyper_ch> however xubuntu runs also
[10:24] <hyper_ch> Sam___: best would be to get another 64mb ram
[10:24] <hyper_ch> or even 128mb
[10:24] <hyper_ch> that would increase performance by much
[10:25] <noalternative> There is always ebay.
[10:25] <noalternative> it isn't expensive to buy ram
[10:25] <noalternative> I would put as much on as I could get.
[10:25] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:26] <Sam___> Fluxbuntu use 37 RAM's MB, Xubuntu 39.
[10:26] <Sam___> But Xub is more friendly!
[10:26] <noalternative> is fluxubuntu in final release yet?
[10:26] <hyper_ch> xubuntu only uses 39?
[10:26] <Sam___> Yes, a fresh install
[10:27] <hyper_ch> Sam___: hmmm, ok :)
[10:27] <hyper_ch> well, then I still suggest try to hold of another 64 or 128mb ram
[10:30] <Sam___> I was meaning substituting, for instance, firefox with dillo and others...
[10:30] <Sam___> Any Idea?
[10:30] <hyper_ch> I run xubuntu because I like it most, not because I can't other things get to work
[10:30] <hyper_ch> well, I just love ff.... the only other browser I'd consider is Opera
[10:30] <hyper_ch> but I guess both use pretty much ram
[10:30] <noalternative> you might want to try feather linux.  It is my favorite for machines 64 mb and under.  It works with as little as 24 mb. http://featherlinux.berlios.de/
[10:35] <Sam___> featherlinux.berlios.de
[10:35] <Sam___> I'm downloading it. Tonight I'll try it
[10:35] <noalternative> good for you.
[10:35] <hyper_ch> noalternative: how to install it on a usb stick?
[10:35] <noalternative> don't be scared to try the messageboard either.  we try to help.
[10:36] <noalternative> I believe there are instructions on the download page, but I have not done this so I can't answer myself.
[10:36] <noalternative> there would certainly be info in the forums.
[10:36] <hyper_ch> hmm, the ftp download doesn't work
[10:40] <noalternative> One tip on feather sam.  You need to update etc/apt/sources.list per these instruction.
[10:40] <noalternative> http://featherlinux.berlios.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2694&highlight=
[10:43] <noalternative> by the way does anyone know how to activate the grammar checker in abiword for xubuntu dapper drake?
[10:44] <Sam___> And does anybody know how many Ram's MB  a fresh featherlinux installation uses???
[10:46] <hyper_ch> Sam___: actually a linux should always use close to 100% of the ram available... everything else is a waste of ram
[10:46] <Sam___> ???
[10:50] <Sam___> I mean. When I start my Xubuntu (I installed it yesterday, no other packages than those installed first time), and with NO Applications running (ex Abiword, firefox...) my RAM use 39 MB.
[10:50] <Sam___> The question is: using featherlinux ?
[10:50] <noalternative> Here is what it says in doc section http://featherlinux.berlios.de/docs.htm
[01:19] <toxik`> Hm, I can't for the life of me get Quake 3 to work under Xubuntu. First, it whines on me using Mesa (I don't, I use the sis driver for my gfx) and tell me to +set a cvar, which I do and then it complains about UI Version being 3, not 6 as expected. I am using ioQuake3, BTW.
[01:31] <vidd> sorry toxik` no idea here
[01:32] <vidd> you using wine to run it or a linux version?
[01:43] <totalwormage> :D
[01:51] <toxik`> vidd: Ran the linux version - but I'm not at the computer anymore now though
[01:51] <vidd> oh ok
[01:52] <heehowww> alguem ae pode me ajudar a instalar uma placa de video sis?
[01:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !es
[01:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:54] <heehowww> anyone can help me install a sis graphic?
[01:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What's the problem?
[01:56] <vidd> PuMpErNiCkLe, the new feisty did system update and took out synaptic
[01:57] <vidd> and dpkg
[01:57] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: the display only works at 1280x1024 at 61hz
[01:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> File a bug report, then.
[01:57] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: and it seems a bit slow
[01:58] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: so i think it is a problem with the driver
[01:58] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: cause it seems slow even at xfce
[02:00] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: can u help me?
[02:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What should it be capable of?
[02:00] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: how can i install the driver
[02:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The driver's already installed.
[02:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's part of the base system.
[02:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It might be possible to reconfigure it to give you a higher res or refresh rate, if that's what you're trying to get.
[02:02] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah. can be it
[02:03] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: actually i would like to put it on 1024*768 85hz
[02:03] <heehowww> PuMpErNiCkLe: but when i work it. the display do not work
[02:10] <case> hello
[02:11] <case> can someone tell me how to bind shortcuts like CTRL+1 ... CTRL+2 ... etc. to switch to workspace 1, 2, etc. ?
[02:18] <Petaris> Hi all
[02:25] <case> errr... how can i lock the screen? O_o
[02:26] <Petaris> case: try xlockscreen or a similar utility
[02:26] <Petaris> or see if the xfce lock screen widget is avaliable
[02:27] <FactTech> Question: Would it be safe to install the 'yelp' package on Xubuntu 6.10? I've been asked to do this as a possible fix to a bug, but I'm worried because there are so many GNOME-related packages required by 'yelp'.
[02:27] <case> hmmm it's strange... xscreensave is running, so it should be easy to lock the screen, but i can't find a way to interact with it...
[02:27] <Petaris> case: they are two different programs
[02:28] <Petaris> xlockscreen just uses xscreensave
[02:28] <case> well, it's strange that xscreensave is installed by default but not xlockscreen...
[02:28] <Petaris> case: yes, but I have seen it that way on a number of installs
[02:29] <case> there is no package called xlockscreen...
[02:30] <Petaris> there are a couple differnt packages that do (practically) the same thing
[02:30] <Petaris> try one of them
[02:30] <Petaris> I don't remember the package names though
[02:31] <case> i think i'll make a launcher for "xscreensaver-command -activate" , but i think it's something xubuntu should make at install time :)
[02:33] <case> (-lock , not -activate...)
[02:34] <Petaris> ok, my question is how do I break the hibrinate, sleep, and shutdown buttons for xfce?
[02:34] <Petaris> the problem is that these buttons shut down the ltsp server, not the client
[02:35] <FactTech> My question got answered over at #ubuntu. No need to respond.
[03:00] <jelly-home> Hi, what package is the xubuntu's suspend/hibernate/powerdown thing in, and (where) can I download the source for that?
[03:02] <jelly-home> In Debian, there is no such thing in xfce.
[03:07] <totalwormage> jelly-home: are you sure?
[03:07] <jelly-home> totalwormage: positive
[03:08] <totalwormage> jelly-home: when you rightclick on the panel (hope you have a panel) and you say add item
[03:08] <totalwormage> there is no action buttons?
[03:08] <jelly-home> totalwormage: what should I add?
[03:08] <totalwormage> 'action buttons'
[03:09] <totalwormage> jelly-home: if you dont have that, i don't know how the package is named :] 
[03:11] <jelly> battery went out on the laptop, sorry
[03:11] <jelly> anyway, there's no suspend on hibernate on Debian's action buttons.
[03:11] <jelly> s/on/or/
[03:12] <totalwormage> the thing i tried to point you to is just one button
[03:12] <totalwormage> which pops up a screen with lock / logout restart functions
[03:12] <totalwormage> don't know if you meant that
[03:12] <Petaris> I have used both
[03:13] <jelly> totalwormage: yes, I have that.
[03:13] <Petaris> xfce on ubuntu is different then xfce on anything else
[03:14] <Petaris> I don't know where those buttons come from though, maybe a compile option
[03:14] <Petaris> jelly, those probably depend on some other ubuntu bits
[03:15] <jelly> Petaris: which is why I'm here trying to find out about those bits
[03:15] <Petaris> like how they have the energy saving options configured
[03:15] <jelly> and possibly port them back into Debian
[03:17] <Petaris> jelly: ahh
[03:17] <Petaris> ok
[03:18] <Petaris> Can anyone here tell me how to dissable the shutdown and restart buttons in xfce?
[03:18] <Petaris> and removing sudo doesn't work
[03:18] <Petaris> s/sudo/sudo rules
[03:31] <yotux> How does a person know when there are updates for xubuntu?
[03:32] <Petaris> yotux: the update manager can tell you
[03:32] <yotux> Where is that at
[03:33] <yotux> Sorry I am not a real good user of xubuntu
[03:33] <Petaris> hrm, not sure
[03:33] <Petaris> run sudo update-manager and that will give it to you
[03:33] <yotux> ok
[03:33] <yotux> Petaris > I have used kubuntu and Ubuntu in the past
[03:33] <Petaris> run it from a terminal in x
[03:33] <yotux> ok
[03:34] <Petaris> or if you use the run from the menu remember to use gksudo instead
[03:36] <yotux> Petaris -> i have installed a custom kernel.  So are the kernel updates important to me.  i don;t think that they are something that I need.
[03:39] <Petaris> yotux: if your custom then you will want to keep building custom kernels to satisfy your needs, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it unless you want to switch back to the ubuntu kernels
[03:41] <yotux> I guess to me how often does a kernel really need to be updated?
[03:41] <Petaris> yotux: Its ccompletly up to you
[03:41] <Petaris> :)
[04:25] <Pirate-King> hello
[04:25] <gabkdlly> hi
[04:26] <Pirate-King> having trouble getting xubuntu to run on an old p200 128 megs of ram....craps out on video card
[04:27] <Pirate-King> will old video card work with xubuntu?
[04:27] <grazie> Pirate-King: what's the card?
[04:28] <gabkdlly> depends. it could be that xubuntu did not do the best job detecting your hardware. do you know what graphics device you have?
[04:28] <Pirate-King> diamond
[04:28] <Pirate-King> diamon multi media
[04:29] <grazie> Pirate-King: what's your problem?
[04:29] <Pirate-King> I installed it with the alternative install the go to start up and video card I think is not identified
[04:30] <Pirate-King> brb going to try something
[04:32] <hyper_ch> Hmm, I can't find any city for the weather applet...
[04:36] <jelly> hyper_ch: what code are you entering?
[04:36] <hyper_ch> jelly: I'm trying to find cities
[04:38] <jelly> hyper_ch: ok, which city are you trying to find?
[04:38] <hyper_ch> I tried altenrhein... I know there is one... I had in KDE
[04:39] <hyper_ch> then I tried zurich and berlin
[04:39] <jelly> hmm, Zurich works here (on debian though)
[04:39] <jelly> got two results.
[04:39] <hyper_ch> jelly: can you find St. Gallen
[04:39] <jelly> is your dns working?
[04:40] <hyper_ch> jelly: or Altenrhein and give me the weather location code
[04:40] <hyper_ch> jelly: how do you mean whether my dns is working?
[04:40] <jelly> neither Altenrhein nor "St. Gallen"
[04:40] <hyper_ch> and sankt gallen
[04:40] <jelly> hyper_ch: in terminal, try "host www.weathernetwork.com" for example.  do you get an ip address?
[04:41] <hyper_ch> jelly: no, no IP
[04:42] <jelly> hyper_ch: you might have dns problems then.
[04:42] <hyper_ch> jelly: everything else works fine
[04:42] <jelly> browsing the web?
[04:43] <hyper_ch> yes, browsing works fine
[04:44] <hyper_ch> host weathernetwork.com  works fine
[04:44] <hyper_ch> v
[04:44] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:~$ host www.weathernetwork.com
[04:44] <hyper_ch> www.weathernetwork.com is an alias for www.weather.ca.
[04:44] <hyper_ch> www.weather.ca has address 72.14.162.3
[04:44] <hyper_ch> www.weather.ca has address 72.14.162.2
[04:44] <hyper_ch> www.weathernetwork.com is an alias for www.weather.ca.
[04:44] <hyper_ch> www.weathernetwork.com is an alias for www.weather.ca.
[04:44] <hyper_ch> do I need to open a specific port?
[04:45] <jelly> dunno, I'm trying to find out what exact network requests are made
[04:48] <hyper_ch> don't worry
[04:49] <jelly> be happy! (...)
[04:50] <hyper_ch> ^^
[05:10] <jelly> hyper_ch: the plugin does the search using a GET http request on url like this: http://xoap.weather.com/search/search?where=Cityname
[05:11] <hyper_ch> thx
[05:13] <jelly-home> Also, the server is a bit picky and only accepts simple HTTP/1.0 requests, using a normal browser seems not to work.
[05:14] <jelly-home> http://paste.debian.net/19929 -- this is from ethereal
[05:15] <jelly-home> (that is, a capture done with ethereal)
[05:15] <jelly-home> you can try to do a "telnet xoap.weather.com 80", then your request and see what happens
[05:39] <highvoltage> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/zucchi/2007/01/11/0
[05:45] <BrendanM> Hello, I've been having some problems with VPN and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336375
[06:20] <DeBert> I'm unable to mount a samba share, nothing seems to work...
[06:20] <DeBert> Any suggestions?
[06:26] <ralyon> I have a new install of edgy on a toshiba satellite 330CDS and I can not get my pcmcia card slots to work or my usb. I get a noone cares on irq 11, try irqpoll and adding irqpoll to my kernel string causes a soft lockup detected on cpu0 and does not get rid of the irq error. I also get cardbus cards are not supported shortly after and being that the cardbus uses irq 11 I believe this to be...
[06:26] <ralyon> ...the problem. Can someone please help me with this?
[06:39] <ralyon> brb, switching to anouther computer that doesn't keep resetting my connection
[06:49] <ralyon> did I pose my question incorrectly or is there no one here to answer?
[06:59] <grazie> ralyon: I can't help as I've no experience with laptops
[06:59] <ralyon> thanks for the response at least I know I have the irc working correctly. I don't use it very often
[07:00] <grazie> if you wait around I sure someone will be able help sort out your probelms
[07:00] <ralyon> I don't think its specific to laptops though with what I've found in searching
[07:00] <grazie> did the install go OK? USB usually works no problem
[07:00] <ralyon> most people seem to be able to fix the problem with the irqpoll
[07:01] <ralyon> install went fine as far as I can tell (no errors), the usb is second priority to getting the network working which needs the pcmcia working
[07:02] <grazie> what cpu and how much memory?
[07:03] <ralyon> I tried usb-handoff on the kernel line for boot with no changes and it appears to see the usb controller, just doesn't recognize either a usb memory stick or mouse at this point
[07:05] <ralyon> pentium 266 with 96mb ram, had to use the alternate install
[07:06] <grazie> any other os installed or been instralled previously?
[07:06] <ralyon> system seems very responsive espically considering the speed and its been running for a day with no lockups
[07:06] <ralyon> no other, let the install do a complete wipe
[07:07] <grazie> all hw worked OK before though?
[07:07] <ralyon> last os was clarkconnect as I was trying to use it a a firewall, vpn...
[07:08] <ralyon> not sure as it was giving to me, although the person who gave it to me said everything had worked for him
[07:08] <Pirate-King> ralyon what kind of videocard?
[07:09] <ralyon> C&T 65555, but I had to set xconfig to vesa to be able to get 800x600 working. before it would only get 640x480
[07:09] <Pirate-King> hmmm
[07:09] <Pirate-King> ok
[07:11] <ralyon> chips was listed on xconfig which is what it had detected
[07:11] <Pirate-King> ok
[07:12] <Pirate-King> go a p200 with 128 megs of ram and tried to install but was using a 14 inch monitor couldn't see nothing
[07:13] <ralyon> this is a 12.1 lcd and everything looks pretty good considering the age of the screen
[07:13] <Pirate-King> I bet
[07:14] <ralyon> lots of config and settings windows get cut off in 640x480 though which is very frustrating
[07:15] <ralyon> resolution was my first priority which took me about 2 ours to fix
[07:15] <Pirate-King> ok going to try on my 19 inch
[07:42] <adon> hi all! could someone please tell me if there is a way to view an autocad file in xubuntu?
[07:43] <maxamillion> i am not entirely familiar with autocad, what file extension is it?
[07:43] <adon> .dwg
[07:44] <adon> it does export to other files but this is what i was sent. Never used it myself.
[07:44] <maxamillion> ok, just a moment
[07:44] <adon> Thanks :)
[07:45] <maxamillion> you need to edit them or just view them?
[07:45] <adon> just view them
[07:47] <maxamillion> adon: still looking, sorry for the wait
[07:49] <adon> I hope you'll find something, it will make my life a lot easier
[07:51] <ralyon> adon: do you know what version of acad?
[07:52] <adon> i think it is 2004
[07:53] <adon> just a moment to make sure
[07:54] <maxamillion> adon: here is a web alternative .... http://dwfit.com/index.aspx
[07:55] <ralyon> from what I remember, acads encryption after 2002 makes it very difficult to open with and non autodesk
[07:55] <maxamillion> i have to go ... i will bbl
[07:55] <adon> maxamillion: I'm trying it now
[07:57] <adon> ralyon: if it is saved as an older version (I'm not sure it is posible) would it make a difference?
[07:57] <ralyon> yes if it was 2002 or earlier, but if you can have them resave it as a different format, your much better off with a dxf
[07:59] <ralyon> still noone able to help with my irq problem?
[08:01] <adon> ralyon: Ah, allright. Thanks a lot you've been great help :)
[08:01] <adon> ralyon: irq problem?
[08:04] <ralyon> get an error with an old toshiba laptop not being able to use irq 11 and wanting irqpoll, but irqpoll creates a soft lockup on cpu0
[08:05] <BrendanM> hey, I've been having some problems with VPN and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336375
[08:16] <BrendanM> Anyone use network manager?
[08:22] <synack__> hi...  was hoping someone could answer a question that's been bugging me lately...  in xubuntu/edgy, the file dialog box.  in dapper you use to be able to hit "/" and start typing a path to a file.  Hitting enter would change you to that directory.  Now in edgy you get a "location bar" that seems useless.  Hitting enter does nothing, doesn't take you to that path.  Is there a workaround for that?
[08:23] <synack__> or is this more of a thunar related question?
[08:35] <Beakster> hi
[08:35] <Beakster> im trying to set up a samba shared folder on my ubuntu box so windows can access it but having some problems
[08:35] <Beakster> can anyone help?
[08:39] <synack__> do you already have samba somewhat configured?  can you see it from the windows box?
[08:41] <Beakster> hi
[08:41] <Beakster> yes
[08:41] <Beakster> i can see it
[08:41] <Beakster> in MSHOME
[08:41] <Beakster> on the windows machine
[08:42] <Beakster> but i cant log in
[08:42] <synack__> just can't access the share?  or no shares listed?
[08:42] <Beakster> share is listed
[08:42] <Beakster> oh
[08:42] <Beakster> no
[08:42] <Beakster> sorry
[08:42] <Beakster> i double click the computer icon
[08:42] <Beakster> and then it asks for a password
[08:42] <Beakster> i try typing my login for the server but it just keeps asking
[08:43] <synack__> did you make your smb.conf by hand, or were you using some graphical wizard deal?
[08:43] <Beakster> i used the Shared Folders that comes with XUbuntu
[08:43] <Beakster> this is the smb.conf:
[08:43] <Beakster> [video] 
[08:43] <Beakster> path = /video
[08:43] <Beakster> comment = MythTV Media Storage
[08:43] <Beakster> available = yes
[08:43] <Beakster> browsable = yes
[08:43] <Beakster> public = yes
[08:43] <Beakster> writable = yes
[08:43] <Beakster> thats right at the end after all the standard stuff
[08:43] <Beakster> i dont know where i set username and password for it tho
[08:44] <Beakster> but
[08:44] <synack__> this is just a simple home network right?  you want to be able to watch you myth stuff from another house computer?
[08:44] <Beakster> yeah, but
[08:44] <Beakster> my friend can do it
[08:44] <Beakster> when it asks him for the login, he deletes the username and password so both fields are blank
[08:44] <Beakster> that works
[08:44] <Beakster> but windows wont let me click the OK button without a username
[08:45] <synack__> you shouldn't even have to...  Let me grab my house server config...
[08:45] <Beakster> i think its cos my windows laptop is on a domain
[08:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:45] <Beakster> hi
[08:46] <synack__> http://stefan.dnsalias.net/smb.conf
[08:46] <synack__> is my home server config
[08:46] <synack__> well, truncated
[08:47] <synack__> but that works for me without any qualms...
[08:47] <Beakster> when i connect to it does it ask for username/pass?
[08:47] <synack__> nope
[08:47] <Beakster> ok, i'll compare my global settings with yours, thanks :)
[08:48] <synack__> even when I use my work laptop (which is also joined to a domain.)
[08:48] <synack__> I'd make a backup first
[08:50] <Beakster> go it
[08:50] <Beakster> *got it
[08:50] <Beakster> i had to add the security = share line
[08:50] <Beakster> now it defauts to guest
[08:50] <Beakster> and lets me see the shares :)
[08:50] <Beakster> thanks
[08:50] <synack__> no prob
[08:50] <Beakster> oh
[08:50] <Beakster> but now i cant get into my video share :S
[08:51] <synack__> make sure you have guest ok = yes and browseable = yes...  also check filesystem permissions...
[08:53] <Beakster> hi
[08:53] <Beakster> sorry battey died
[08:53] <synack__> get it working?
[08:54] <Beakster> just trying something
[08:54] <ralyon> Can anyone help me with an irq problem on a toshiba satellite?
[08:54] <synack__> ralyon, like a conflict?
[08:55] <Beakster> got it
[08:55] <synack__> cool
[08:55] <ralyon> not as far as I can tell
[08:55] <Beakster> had to add guest ok = yes
[08:55] <Beakster> =)
[08:55] <Beakster> thanks =)
[08:56] <synack__> no prob, again ;-)
[08:56] <synack__> ralyon, what's it (not) doing?
[08:57] <ralyon> I have a new install of edgy on a toshiba satellite 330CDS and I can not get my pcmcia card slots to work or my usb. I get a noone cares on irq 11, try irqpoll and adding irqpoll to my kernel string causes a soft lockup detected on cpu0 and does not get rid of the irq error. I also get cardbus cards are not supported shortly after and being that the cardbus uses irq 11 I believe this to be...
[08:57] <ralyon> ...the problem.
[08:59] <ralyon> did that answer your question?
[08:59] <synack__> sorry phone call brb
[08:59] <ralyon> ok
[09:01] <synack__> it actually says something like noone cares on irq 11?
[09:02] <synack__> what happens if you insert a card and run dmesg in a terminal?
[09:08] <synack__> I was hoping someone could answer a question that's been bugging me lately...  in xubuntu/edgy, the file dialog box.  in dapper you use to be able to hit "/" and start typing a path to a file.  Hitting enter would change you to that directory.  Now in edgy you get a "location bar" that seems useless.  Hitting enter does nothing, doesn't take you to that path.  Is there a workaround for that?
[09:15] <liquidengineer> Hello
[09:15] <liquidengineer> I've got a friend I'm setting up a Xubuntu laptop for
[09:15] <liquidengineer> He's got a netgear wg511 WiFi card, and I was told I'd need to use something called wpasupplicant to get it working
[09:16] <ralyon> exact message is 'irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)'
[09:16] <liquidengineer> I was wondering if there's a nice howto somewhere
[09:16] <liquidengineer> I'd like to set it up so it mimics the windows expereince as much as possible...he's not very computer saavy at all, so I can't exepct him to muddle around in the command line.
[09:18] <ralyon> wireless like windows, can't say I've been successful in ever getting that before
[09:20] <liquidengineer> well, as in, some sort of graphical control
[09:20] <liquidengineer> as in, "here's a list of available APs, double click on one and enter your password"
[09:22] <liquidengineer> He doesn't really understand the difference between WEP, WPA, etc., so if that was all transparent that'd be even better
[09:23] <ralyon> the ones I can remember you have to specify the ssid or just leave it to any
[09:24] <liquidengineer> Hmm
[09:24] <ralyon> I'm afraid I haven't used wireless much myself
[09:24] <liquidengineer> what about passwords?
[09:24] <liquidengineer> oh
[09:33] <ralyon> still hoping someone can help with my irqpoll problem
[09:41] <liquidengineer> Is there anybody that might know more about getting the netgear card working with WPA?
[09:41] <liquidengineer> I'd hate to wipe this guy's laptop and put a copy of linux on it he couldn't use to connect to the internet
[09:48] <liquidengineer> What is Long Term Support?
[09:48] <liquidengineer> I.e.: why does 6.06 have it and 6.10 doesn't?
[09:49] <TheSheep> liquidengineer: 6.10 has more not-so-well-tested software and configuration
[09:49] <gnomefreak> liquidengineer: because only one version will be long term support at a time
[09:50] <gnomefreak> if more than that it would be usless to have lts
[09:59] <ephemeros> yo \m/
[10:01] <liquidengineer> ah
[10:01] <liquidengineer> thanks
[10:23] <ralyon> still hoping someone can help with my irqpoll problem
[10:32] <ralyon> so early. ;)
[10:33] <slow-motion> n8
[10:35] <Jester45> anyone here know why my usb drives willnot be detected as in the system doesn't know i plugged them in but my ipod works like normal
[11:10] <somerville32> MagicFab: Do you use Xubuntu?
[11:10] <MagicFab> somerville32, occasionally. I used intensively for like 6 mo.
[11:11] <MagicFab> mostly Dapper
[11:12] <somerville32> Feisty is beautiful :)
[11:14] <ralyon> still hoping someone can help with my irqpoll problem
[11:14] <somerville32> ralyon, Whats your problem? :)
[11:14] <ralyon> I have a new install of edgy on a toshiba satellite 330CDS and I can not get my pcmcia card slots to work or my usb. I get a noone cares on irq 11, try irqpoll and adding irqpoll to my kernel string causes a soft lockup detected on cpu0 and does not get rid of the irq error. I also get cardbus cards are not supported shortly after and being that the cardbus uses irq 11 I believe this to be...
[11:14] <ralyon> ...the problem.
[11:16] <somerville32> ralyon: Can you change the irq in your bios?
[11:17] <ralyon> I can't get to that option in the bios, it just says that what it is. I did set the bios to let the os configure settings
[11:18] <ralyon> I've tried acpi=on/off and noapic as well
[11:19] <somerville32> I've never had any trouble with irqs before so I'm not quite sure what to do
[11:20] <somerville32> However, there are currently 1000 people in #ubuntu and so I'm sure one of them would have an idea :)
[11:20] <ralyon> ok, I'll try asking there as well then, I thought this would be more appropriate since ubuntu wouldn't even load only having 96mb of ram
[12:02] <ralyon> still hoping someone can help with my irqpoll problem
[12:04] <grazie> ralyon: google no help? somebody else must have had this problem before.
[12:05] <ralyon> googled for about 12 hours before I came here
[12:05] <grazie> obviously not then
[12:05] <ralyon> people had similiar problems but none of the fixes I found for them worked for me
[12:06] <ralyon> most of them were in other distros, so some of the tools were not available in xubuntu either
[12:06] <somerville32> What tools were they?
[12:07] <ralyon> cardctl wasz one of them
[12:07] <ralyon> some of the others were guis like yast
[12:07] <grazie> yast?
[12:07] <maxamillion> grazie: yast is a control panel for suse
[12:08] <grazie> i know
[12:08] <ralyon> yes, you got it before I could
[12:08] <maxamillion> grazie: oh ... ok
[12:09] <grazie> you tried DSL?
[12:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> pccardctl is provided by pcmciautils.
[12:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info pcmciautils
[12:10] <ubotu> pcmciautils: PCMCIA utilities for Linux 2.6. In component main, is important. Version 014-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 156 kB
[12:10] <ralyon> was going to try that, but it didn't look like it was going to be as user friendly
[12:12] <grazie> DSL it pretty good for older machines. you could download and try them pcmiautils while waiting?
[12:13] <ralyon> tried to install pcmciautils, but apt-get gave me 0s across the board
[12:15] <ralyon> I'm trying to set up this old laptop for my wifes grandmother, 80 something, so she can communicate with her family
[12:15] <grazie> gave you 0s? Don't understand. All 0s output to the screen?
[12:15] <ralyon> xubuntu looked like it would be better then dsl
[12:16] <ralyon> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[12:17] <g333k_work> does xfce use dbus?
[12:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> g333k_work: yes
[12:17] <somerville32> Yes
[12:17] <g333k_work> because I want to send popup messages to my thin clients, using student-control-panel made for gnome and kde, but the messages dont appear
[12:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ralyon: It's probably installed already.
[12:17] <lhtown> I just tried to install Herd 2 from the live cd. It boots up fine and seems to work great. However, on the install, it asks me for the time zone and keyboard and then goes to a screen with a wide black border on the top and bottom and a middle "stripe" that has vertical white, blue, and sort of gray vertical stripes of varying width and then nothing else happens. When I push the power button, it beeps oddly and shuts down. The computer is a Gateway Profile 4 th
[12:17] <g333k_work> so why the messages dont appear?
[12:17] <TheSheep> g333k_work: isn't dbus only for local communication?
[12:17] <ralyon> cardctl 0: gives me command not found
[12:18] <TheSheep> lhtown: report a bug
[12:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ralyon: It's called pccardctl.
[12:18] <lhtown> ok
[12:19] <ralyon> ok, it says no card in either slot
[12:19] <g333k_work> TheSheep, I dont know
[12:20] <ralyon> the webpage I found said use cardctl, but I think it was for fedora if memory serves. seen to many websites
[12:20] <TheSheep> g333k_work: sorry, I misunderstood
[12:20] <TheSheep> g333k_work: how do you send the message and how are you trying to receive it?
[12:21] <g333k_work> TheSheep, it suppose to appear in the client...
[12:21] <g333k_work> TheSheep, Well I dont know how I am receiving it
[12:21] <TheSheep> g333k_work: dbus if for communicating between applications...
[12:21] <TheSheep> g333k_work: there is dbus-monitor that shows you all the messages
[12:22] <TheSheep> g333k_work: might be handy
[12:22] <g333k_work> let me check
[12:25] <ralyon> I'm going to try for a post in the community forum, was just hoping for a quicker answer as I'm on a time limit to finish. Thanks to everyone who tried