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coz_after noon to all artists here11:16
coz_"artists"11:16
coz_:)11:16
coz_does anyoneknow the moderators for art.ubuntu.com?11:16
kwwiicoz: nope11:17
coz_kwwii, well that is a good answer :)11:17
coz_thanks11:17
kwwiicoz: I have heard your complaint before, if I find one I'll tell them11:17
kwwiiyou have every right to that reqeust11:17
kwwiirequest11:17
coz_kwwii, well i appreciate that but it is most approprately my responsibility but thanks11:17
kwwiiit is a simple matter of finding the right person at the right time11:18
kwwiihave you tried sending an email to anyone?11:18
coz_kwwii, I know you wold think they would spend as much time here s they do censoring things11:18
kwwiilol11:18
kwwiiyeah11:18
kwwiiI think that there is still quite a bit of confusion in the art community at this time11:19
coz_kwwii, no I think the slowness of their vission overlaps into reding emal as well11:19
coz_kwwii, well sure there is, shttleworth is still thinking unclearly11:19
kwwiiyeah, it appears so11:19
kwwiiperhaps things will change soon11:19
coz_kwwii, most definatley especiall with theimplimentation of sensroship by prgrammers for art what is that ?11:20
coz_censorship11:20
coz_kwwii, the only option shuttlewroth has is to make the ucuntu art team an offical team without question including the members and also that ONLY ubuntu art eam members will be responsible for monitoring the galleries on the forum11:21
coz_but that is unlike ly to happen11:21
kwwiiwell, I would disagree that art is the same as development but then again, I am a proffesional artist :-)11:22
coz_kwwii, well of course it is different .. artist have a more complex mind than a programmer11:22
kwwiiactually, the whole process of working is different11:22
coz_kwwii, youcan tech an artist to prgramm very well in about a year but several lfetimes to teach a programmer art11:22
kwwiiand without a rigid structure I do not think that we can achieve our goals11:23
kwwiiexactly, artist is something someone is born with11:23
coz_kwwii, with shuttleworth making final art decisions the art team is essetntiall a placibo11:23
kwwiioh, I think he will take a step back from that approach11:23
coz_kwwii, dowbtful well ia mdoubtful11:24
coz_anyway11:24
kwwiias he does not even have the time to deal with this stuff as much as he has in the past11:24
kwwiiyeah11:24
kwwiiwho knows in the end11:24
coz_kwwii,  then ony one solution make the team official11:24
kwwiiwe will have to wait and see what happens11:24
coz_well I am not hopeful11:24
kwwiiI am sure that one way or another things will move forward11:25
coz_talking to the moderators all thiat Idid I ws not able to make them see their mistakes it ws like talking to an tech peson on the phone from verizon or cmcast. they have set list of do's and dont's they conformto not to resove anything just to clam the situation11:26
coz_calm11:26
kwwiioften in the case of artwork it is hard to judge someones experience level wthout working with them for a longer time11:26
coz_kwwii, well as a aprofessianl artist you can tell by theri work no?11:26
kwwiiif you see a portfolio, yeah11:27
kwwiibut who does that in linux?11:27
kwwiioften it is one or two things11:27
kwwiiand everyone thinks that they can do artwork11:27
kwwiiand everyone and their brother has an opinion on it11:27
coz_kwwii, yes I know in my case however  Ihave hd over a hundred peices at times on the forums11:28
coz_long enough for anyone to understand what I ws doing11:28
kwwiito be honest, I hate forums to begin with :p11:28
kwwiiit is too disperse11:28
kwwiiI do not have time to go through forums11:28
coz_kwwii, I saw this as an opportunity to teach11:28
coz_few of the works I see on the forums are done by an individiual posting them11:28
kwwiiI think that due to the confusion we all simply have to have patience and see how things work out11:29
coz_kwwii, well I suppose if I were hoping to get my conincal email address as so many of these kids seem to be working towards i suppose I would agree with you, but I posted my work to hlep and to contribute not t show ofof11:30
coz_not to show off11:30
coz_well i will try back later to see if anyone is a moderator for that art.ubuntu.com11:31
kwwiiwell, you have to understand that things have been very confusing in the last year or so11:31
coz_ thanks for talking kwwii  :)11:31
kwwiiI am not saying that is is right taht way11:31
kwwiiyeah, see you11:31
kwwiido not give up hope11:31
kwwii;-)11:31
coz_kwwii, well I am not real up to date on the politics of the the forums ro concincal or ubuntu for that mater11:31
kwwiiniether am I :p11:31
coz_and I think involving programmers in art is always a road to failure11:32
coz_couples with a conservative unintelligent view of appropirateness is even more diastrous11:32
coz_no kwwii I believe and would fight for the idea that ONLY the art team and its members would be the ONLY people to approve and finalize anything from icons to wallpare for ubuntu11:33
coz_no programmer  finalizations at all11:33
coz_that is the appropriate and intelligent role for us11:34
kwwiihehe11:34
kwwiiwell, if you ask me that would have led to bad artwork last time11:34
kwwiibut then again, I do kubuntu art anyway11:34
kwwiitheir was no real consensus11:34
coz_kwwii,  it did led to bad artwork lst time when shttleworth deicded11:34
kwwiiand I admit that mark did not make things better11:35
coz_kwwii,  I know he didin't11:35
kwwiibut I think he will stay away from things this time11:35
kwwiiI think he would rather give others that job, than loose more face11:35
coz_kwwii,  not enough staying away only one option disband the art team or officialize it11:35
coz_that s ctually 2 options :)11:36
kwwiihrm, not so sure about that11:36
kwwiiuntil the art team proves themselves11:36
coz_kwwii,  why is that?11:36
kwwiiI was also not so happy with the consitency of the artwork11:36
coz_kwwii, well what I meatn was that it be officialized as are the develeopmet teams11:36
coz_same level11:36
kwwiiand I can see why mark said what he did, although it could have been done better and in a more constructive way11:37
kwwiiallowing thing to move forward instead of backward11:37
kwwiibut then again, he is not an artist11:37
coz_kwwii, again I am not aware of the averall picture s to what he did and did not do < i only see the outcome and the consequences so far11:37
kwwiimy guess is that he has little or no time to really get into this and learn something new11:37
kwwiiyeah, I agree that so far things are simply bad11:38
coz_kwwii, he doesn't have enough life time to learn art11:38
coz_anyway have to get back to contributing what support I can in the mean time so thanks again guy! :)11:38
kwwiiof course not11:38
kwwiiyeah, have fun11:38
coz_talk again I hope11:39
kwwiisee you around11:39
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