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[12:22] <mdke> openoffice broken?
[12:23] <mdke> I can't install latest ubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <geser> mdke: because of the python 2.5 transition
[12:25] <geser> python-uno (source openoffice.org) needs a rebuild which is current happening (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/openoffice.org/+builds)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> mdke: python issues
[12:26] <gnomefreak> mdke: doko has been building his butt off fixing it
[12:26] <_ion> When apt-get upgrading, a bunch of openoffice packages have been kept back for weeks or so.
[12:26] <mdke> thanks chaps
[12:26] <gnomefreak> _ion: language packs i believe
[12:26] <mdke> also some conflict between gnome-menus and gnome-panel, looks like
[12:26] <gnomefreak> mdke: thats one im not real sure python will fix
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[12:39] <dsas_> gnomefreak: I think there's been an upload to fix it, but it couldn't get all of the build-deps to build it due to python fallout
[12:39] <dsas_> gnomefreak: Something like that anyway.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> its still mess
[12:41] <gnomefreak> dsas_: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/314686
[12:44] <dsas_> gnomefreak: Yeah it is, I'm sure it'll be sorted soon.
[12:44] <gnomefreak> looks like most of py is fixed but now massive rebuild on other packages
[12:44] <gnomefreak> im expecting it mon.-tues. but hoping before i leave in morning
[12:45] <dsas_> gnomefreak: Ok, cool. I have no idea how long these things take...
[12:45] <gnomefreak> but it really doesnt matter when it gets done. thats all part of testing
[12:45] <gnomefreak> he/they are working hard to get it done
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[03:30] <maxamillion> any plans for ubuntu to adopt the debian "testing" graphical installer option for the ubuntu alternate cd image?
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[03:30] <Hobbsee> maxamillion: when we have ubiquity?  why would we?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> maxamillion: for alternate?  no.  alternate's for people without the specs to run the desktop cd
[03:31] <Hobbsee> (well, once ubiquity's finished, anyway)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> that's what i hear to be the case
[03:31] <somerville32> maxamillion, screenshot?
[03:32] <maxamillion> somerville32: just a moment
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[03:33] <maxamillion> somerville32: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=724&slide=1 <---screenshot walk through .... 
[03:33] <maxamillion> somerville32: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=724&slide=1 <--- old article
[03:34] <somerville32> cool :] 
[03:34] <maxamillion> Hobbsee: i don't think you understood what i was talking about ... its a gui installer that doesn't require the specs of the desktop cd and it is just an option that is passed at boot time for the installation cd, so if on the alternate install a user would like to use a gui installer, they can ... it would be a more inviting installer even for those with older hardware
[03:36] <maxamillion> the only reason i bring this up now is because I have recently been playing with the alternate image on a range of machines and the text based installer seems to randomly not have the ability to scroll on some machines and i figured if that could either be fixed and/or given an alternative, it might be nice
[03:38] <maxamillion> Hobbsee: any thoughts?
[03:40] <somerville32> Hobbsee think? Thats ludicrous! 
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[04:03] <manchicken> Anybody here familiar with building from bazaar?
[04:04] <manchicken> I'm working on this adept program, and it won't build straight out of bzr.
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[04:12] <somerville32> Ouch
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[04:22] <cypherbios> Hobbsee: can you take a look when you have some time? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4015
[04:25] <cypherbios> wrong channel :) jump to #u-m :P
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[04:33] <manchicken> Anybody here familiar with the dh_install process?
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[04:34] <LaserJock> manchicken: you might want to try #ubuntu-motu for that
[04:36] <somerville32> cypher1, #ubuntu-marketing ? ;] 
[04:37] <somerville32> cypher1, sorry
[04:37] <somerville32> cypherbios, #ubuntu-marketing ? ;] 
[04:37] <cypherbios> somerville32: no no... ubuntu-motu ;)
[04:37] <manchicken> Okay.  I'm working on an "official" package though.
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[04:38] <somerville32> manchicken, Thats ok
[04:38] <manchicken> I'm just looking for someone who knows the build process.
[04:38] <LaserJock> manchicken: #ubuntu-motu is where we do that
[04:39] <manchicken> Then that may be where I want to discuss it ^_^
[04:39] <manchicken> Normally I just bother Riddell ^_^
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[04:48] <cypher1> somerville32, he he
[04:48] <cypher1> bye all
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[05:30] <Cashel> Are you folks aware that the last update broke gnome? 
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:34] <Hobbsee> doko_: is, anyway
[05:34] <Hobbsee> and kde
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Cashel: just dont upgrade python2.5
[05:34] <Cashel> Ahhh good to know... 
[05:35] <Cashel> ahh so thats the evil one... I just started lookin for it :)
[05:36] <Cashel> thanks for the tip... before this I've been impressed with the level of dependability, you guys do good work :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> does anyone know where i could find jono's mobile number?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> oh, probably off elky
[05:36] <elkbuntu> um, how about his webpage, the contact section
[05:37] <Hobbsee> point
[05:37] <elkbuntu> s/page/site/
[05:37] <Hobbsee> didnt think he'd have his mobile on there - cool
[05:38] <ajmitch> oh that's right, jono is invading sydney
[05:38] <ajmitch> poor people
[05:39] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, you're just jealous
[05:39] <ajmitch> not at all :)
[05:40] <elkbuntu> lies, all lies.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:40] <ajmitch> just because I have to sit at work for the week...
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[05:41] <ajmitch> thanks
[05:43] <elkbuntu> we promise to show you lots of photos of us having a really awesome time too :)
[05:47] <ajmitch> I'll send you exciting photos of my desk at work in return, how's that for a deal?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sounds great
[05:47] <Hobbsee> !
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[08:59] <Mithrandir> doko_: given-back
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[09:06] <somerville32> Mithrandir: Have you started processing new again? :)
[09:08] <Mithrandir> somerville32: I did a fair amount of it yesterday, yes.
[09:08] <somerville32> Is it true that you start at the bottom? ;] 
[09:08] <Mithrandir> it's a FIFO, but not completely.  I sometimes skip stuff for a while.
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[09:11] <somerville32> Sorry to bug you about it but I'm just eager to get pyNeighborhood approved. It is my first package. Unfortunately it would already be in Feisty if it wasn't for a small issue with the licensing. Taflo (sp) already reviewed it and I had to modify debian/copyright to say that only GPL 2 can be used, not GPL 2 or later.
[09:11] <Mithrandir> somerville32: correct.  If I remember correctly, it's the next one in the list so I'll get to it on Monday.
[09:12] <somerville32> Mithrandir: Awesome. :)
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[10:36] <mdke> gnome-panel has broken dependencies... anyone know a workaround in order to be able to login?
[10:38] <mdke> I may have to resort to installing xubuntu at this rate
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[10:43] <somerville32> Weee! :)
[10:43] <somerville32> mdke: Are you on Feisty?
[10:44] <tsmithe> resort to xubuntu?! resort!!! it's good!
[10:45] <mdke> somerville32: sure
[10:45] <mdke> tsmithe: it involves downloading quite a lot of stuff
[10:45] <tsmithe> indeed :P
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[10:45] <somerville32> mdke; Not too much
[10:46] <somerville32> Xubuntu is awesome though ;] 
[10:46] <mdke> I tried it already, it is quite good actually. Much more reasonable menu layout than Gnome :)
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[10:46] <somerville32> mdke: Also, if you didn't know, they uploaded python 5
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[10:46] <somerville32> So everything is rebuilding
[10:46] <tsmithe> snazzula
[10:47] <somerville32> tsmithe: I'll donate $10 to your fund
[10:47] <tsmithe> yay!
[10:47] <somerville32> How much money have you raised so far?
[10:47] <tsmithe> little
[10:47] <tsmithe> go to the page
[10:47] <mdke> somerville32: still rebuilding?
[10:48] <tsmithe> somerville32, but i have a couple of projects in the pipeline...
[10:48] <tsmithe> let's take this out of -devel
[10:48] <somerville32> Crimsun said it would take a few more business days
[10:48] <mdke> shit. Is xubuntu working at least?
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[10:49] <somerville32> I have 285 updates pending
[10:49] <mdke> ok, we'll see when it downloads all this stuff
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[11:06] <mdke> somerville32: xubuntu works like a dream
[11:06] <mdke> thank god for that
[11:07] <somerville32> :)
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[11:08] <mdke> well, finding a bug in 10 seconds is pretty impressive, thanks
[11:08] <somerville32> In Xubuntu, lol?
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[11:09] <mdke> somerville32: yeah. What package defines the names for the sub-menus?
[11:11] <somerville32> mdke: Whats the bug?
[11:11] <mdke> there are some confusing names for the menus
[11:12] <mdke> xfce-panel?
[11:12] <somerville32> Yeah
[11:13] <somerville32> I can't seem to find a separate package for xfce4-menu-plugin
[11:13] <mdke> there is an xfce-panel-menu-plugin
[11:13] <somerville32> Thats what you want then
[11:13] <somerville32> And the issue is because it isn't fully freedesktop spec compliant
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[11:17] <mdke> Mithrandir: somerville32 has identified a typo in the release announcement, no idea if you can change it now, but still - (Edubuntu) should be (Xubuntu) in the last item in the list of links
[11:19] <somerville32> mdke: You can fix the one on the fridge
[11:20] <somerville32> Oh
[11:21] <mdke> i have done yeah
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[11:29] <gnomefreak> with version numbers does < mean the same as <<
[11:30] <doko> Mithrandir: please requeue gnome-panel (should build now with the updated launchpad-integration)
[11:30] <mdke> yay!
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[11:31] <gnomefreak> like depends package (<5.0) is same as depends pacakge (<<5.0)
[11:31] <crimsun> yes, < is deprecated in favour of <<
[11:31] <crimsun> likewise with > and >>
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ah ok cool
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[11:43] <Mithrandir> gnomefreak: no, < 5.0 is the same as <= 5.0
[11:45] <gnomefreak> well maybe ill get lucky and smart will be synced and upgraded by wednesday and i would have to figure out how to build it
[11:45] <Mithrandir> gnomefreak: smart was synced yesterday
[11:46] <gnomefreak> cool
[11:46] <Mithrandir> ftbfs, tho
[11:46] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[11:46] <gnomefreak> maybe due to the python breakge?
[11:46] <Mithrandir> not really
[11:47] <crimsun> gnomefreak: sorry, misparse (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html )
[11:47] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:49] <Mithrandir> I think we should make dpkg-dev fail to build packages with < and > dependencies.
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[12:20] <incon> gnome-menus: Breaks: gnome-panel (<= 2.16.2-0ubuntu3) but 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[12:20] <incon>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: openoffice.org but it is not going to be installed
[12:20] <incon> E: Broken packages
[12:20] <incon> known issue ?
[12:20] <Hobbsee> incon: please check for a bug.  if it's nto there, please file one.
[12:21] <incon> read the helpingwithbugs wiki ?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> its fixed just waiting for it
[12:28] <Amaranth> I've been telling people to wait until Tuesday before filing a bug on that one
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[12:28] <mdke> I think the general rule with broken dependencies is that the developers check them via the automatically generated page, so you don't need to file bugs
[12:29] <Hobbsee> mdke: sometimes ;P
[12:29] <mdke> but whinging about it in here is permitted, AFAIK
[12:31] <incon> Any tips/wiki on using launchpad search ?
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[12:32] <incon> example search "gnome-menus: Breaks: gnome-panel" brings up nothing
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[12:39] <roxlu> hi all
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[12:40] <Hobbsee> *waves
[12:40] <roxlu> I was wondering about why some things haven't been implemented in ubuntu....
[12:40] <roxlu> 1) I've installed a dualview, but it took me 2 - 3 hours read up about how all this works... Why ain't there a central database for xorg.conf config settings per monitor? Would be quite handy
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[12:46] <Amaranth> roxlu: feisty+1 will have display hotplug
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[12:47] <concept10> Why is Python popular for developing apps in Linux, and Ubuntu in particular?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ...because of the libraries it has for it...
[12:49] <poningru> and it is very easy to dev in python
[12:50] <poningru> you can go from begginer to intermediate in about a month
[12:51] <Amaranth> still takes years to get to expert :)
[12:51] <concept10> Thanks guys.  I have been looking at the source for a fairly new music app, and since I dabble in Ruby, Python doesnt look that difficult
[12:52] <concept10> this project should really replace Rhythmbox, imho
[12:53] <concept10> I cannot remember, is Rhythmbox a python app?
[12:53] <evand> concept10, no, it's C
[12:53] <Hobbsee> concept10: you could have checked it's dependancies for that :P
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[12:54] <incon> concept10, you should look into http://www.exaile.org/
[12:54] <concept10> incon, thats the project im talking about
[12:54] <concept10> its great
[12:54] <incon> concept10, python based so you can hack in it
[12:55] <incon> in = on
[12:55] <concept10> incon, yeah, ive had the app for a couple of hours and already managed to add some stuff to it and I don't know one bit of python
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[01:29] <doko> Mithrandir: last one for the weekend: please requeue openoffice.org on all archs (updated java-gcj-compat is now in the archive)
[01:30] <doko> ohh, python-omniorb2 may be requeued as well
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[02:50] <persia> mdz: A discussion of the correct implementation of the DebianMaintainerField spec came up on #ubuntu-motu, and I was referred to you for an authoritative answer.  The specific question is what value should be in debian/control to provide the desired behaviour.  Should it be "XBS-Original-Maintainer", which results in "Original-Maintainer" in the .dsc and .deb files (although control differs from .dsc and .deb), should it be "
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[02:54] <evand> persia, that got cut off at the end of ".deb), should it be"
[02:55] <persia> Buffers :(  breaking up:
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[02:55] <persia> The specific question is what value should be in debian/control to provide the desired behaviour.
[02:55] <persia> Should it be "XBS-Original-Maintainer", which results in "Original-Maintainer" in the .dsc and .deb files (although control differs from .dsc and .deb),
[02:55] <persia> should it be "Original-Maintainer" which requires patches to dpkg to properly process this field,
[02:55] <persia> or should it be "X-Original-Maintainer", which causes no dpkg-deb warning, but also does not appear in .dsc or .deb files?
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[03:44] <Lure> doko: do you plan to upgrade python-dbus to 0.80 version (currently rc3)? It seems to implements proper hooks for qt loop...
[03:46] <doko> Lure: upgrade the package, put the package somewhere for review, file a bug report and add me to the subscribers
[03:47] <Lure> doko: ok, I will test first to confirm we can use it and it really give us some benefits for kde-guidance
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[04:52] <pitti> marcheu: hi!
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[05:02] <fbenites> hi!
[05:02] <fbenites> does someone use uml: user-mode-linux?
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[05:31] <Mithrandir> doko: ooo and python-omniorb2 given-back.
[05:33] <pitti> hi Mithrandir 
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[05:33] <Mithrandir> hiya Martin
[05:33] <Adri2000> Mithrandir: there is a SRU for obconf you may want to approve today... :) if not I'll wait until monday
[05:34] <Adri2000> (in -proposed)
[05:34] <Mithrandir> Adri2000: doing trivial give-backs in the weekend is fine, but I try not to work too much outside work hours, so I'll look at it on Monday or so.
[05:34] <Adri2000> ok
[05:35] <geser> Mithrandir: could you please give-back score-reading-trainer on all arches except sparc? thanks
[05:35] <mdke> heh, poor Mithrandir 
[05:36] <Mithrandir> geser: given-back.
[05:36] <Mithrandir> mdke: nah, it's fine, it takes me ten or so minutes per weekend total and is useful to keep the engine ticking, so I don't mind.
[05:38] <mdke> :)
[05:43] <doko> Mithrandir: hmm, are you able to remove python2.4-minimal from the buildd chroots? looks like it is still installed there
[05:43] <doko> by default
[05:44] <Mithrandir> doko: no, it requires a dist-upgrade/rebuild afaik.  I can ask Adam for it.
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[05:45] <doko> Mithrandir: ok, I'll add a workaround then, OOo still ftbfs, I think that is the reason
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[05:45] <Mithrandir> doko: ok.  I'll ask for an upgrade.
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[06:55] <tsmithe> bug 2461
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2461 in xdm "xdm package is missing libXdmGreet.so" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2461
[06:55] <tsmithe> wrong place...
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[07:34] <synic> I've been watching this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue.  If the package "exaile" has dissappeared from this list, does that mean it has been approved to be in Fiesty?
[07:46] <dsas> synic: Possibly, or there's been error
[07:46] <dsas> synic: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exaile
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