[12:16] crimsun, are you available to do revuage for my alsa packages? [12:19] thanks crimsun for uploading obconf [12:20] uggg, 184 MOTU Science bugs :( [12:20] do *all* python apps need a rebuild? [12:20] probably not [12:20] !info giplet [12:20] giplet: GNOME IP display applet. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 112 kB [12:21] what do you think of this one? [12:21] Adri2000: what about it? [12:22] does it need a rebuild? how can I know? [12:22] I'm guessing Matthais already rebuilt the ones that needed to [12:23] *Matthias [12:23] ok [12:23] generally if there is a transition like that he just does it en-mass [12:23] Adri2000: only those python apps need a rebuild which depend on python < 2.5 [12:24] we shouldn't have to many of those I wouldn't think === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] LaserJock: most of gnome but universe not too many [12:49] sure there is alot any way you look at it but from what i can see on my system not too many uni/multi are affected [12:51] looks like some of the he removed the hard dependency === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-221.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-159.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=upirc@206.172.10.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dakira [n=daxel3@e177199012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-017-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] Hi.. I just tried to build Vidalia with pbuilder and get some errors I can't make any sense of. Specifically when it tries to install vidalia the make install throws some "permission denied" errors inside the pbuilder environment.. [02:21] maybe someone knows this problem.. here's the relevant part of the output: http://pastebin.ca/314767 [02:23] dakira: it's becuase it's trying to install to /usr/bin/ [02:24] it needs to install to $(CURDIR)/ LaserJock: okay.. so I need to change the "rules"-file, right? [02:24] yeah [02:26] LaserJock: wow.. thanks A LOT! This happened to me before with something else and I never figured it out.. so now I get it.. [02:26] I just didn't get the concept of pbuilder completely right [02:27] well, it's the way packaging works [02:27] the .deb is built from inside the debian/ directory [02:27] so you need to install files in there [02:28] and then it gets compressed up into a .deb with the right paths [02:28] that way you aren't *actually* installing to /usr/bin/ everytime you build a package [02:28] that would make things pretty messy [02:28] yeah.. I see that now.. I can't believe how blind I was towards this :-) [02:28] np, took me a while too ;-) [02:29] well.. it never gets messy since I work inside a pbuilder environment.. but still.. I just got it wrong [02:32] LaserJock: When I first tried, I tried to install directly to /usr/bin/ too but my thinking (or understanding) was that pbuidler created a chroot and so what ever I did was happening actually in some pesudo file system [02:32] *pseudo [02:33] LaserJock: one more question.. do I have to set the --prefix of the configure part in "rules" to $(CURDIR)//usr, too? [02:33] I guess that's one of the prices we pay for telling everybody to use pbuilder first off [02:33] dakira: no, because that' [02:34] that's telling the package where things will be at runtime (i.e. when the .deb is unpacked on the users machine) [02:34] LaserJock: okay.. than the problem is that the vidalia dev hardcoded the install paths and doesn't use --prefix directive [02:34] dakira: wahoo, sounds like patch time :-) [02:34] *g* [02:35] I've gotta run right now [02:35] I might be on later [02:35] thanks for the help and clearing things up! [02:35] but there is some patching material in the packaging guide [02:35] and on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School [02:35] dakira: dpatch is awesome :) [02:36] yay! openoffice preventing me from dist-upgrading :) [02:36] Toadstool: Just remove the packages :) [02:36] I can wait [02:37] I wouldn't dist-upgrade right now anyhow [02:37] Now with the python fallout :) [02:37] *Not [02:37] Gah, I can't type today :( [02:37] heh [02:38] somerville32: i'll have a look at dpatch as soon as a figure out what the dev has done wrongly ;) [02:39] What's the policy on applying patches to fix Debian bugs that haven't been reported in Ubuntu? Should an Ubuntu bug be created that links to the Debian bug with the patch? The bug is certainly present in Ubuntu. [02:44] Sounds good to me === persia proceeds to create such a bug. [02:47] persia: link it to the Debian bug too [02:47] Toadstool: Of course. The patch is actually from the Debian bug. [02:50] persia: if you could prepare a debdiff fixing as many bugs as possible and poke a MOTU to sponsor your fixes, it would be even better ;) === Toadstool hides [02:51] Toadstool: That's basically what I do all day, every day (until I have to work again), but I usually only upload one debdiff per bug. I should really fix my gpg configuration and attend the next meeting to become a member :) [02:52] great! and then try to become a MOTU, we need more manpower [02:54] Toadstool: The main issue is that I will fail to check my email for months at a time when working (cf. my LP page). Perhaps I'll become a MOTU at some point, but this usually requires two months of effort (and I rarely have that long a break). === somerville32 wants to become a MOTU someday soon. [02:56] persia: oh my bad, I know you... I have seen your real name so many times in changelogs but didn't link it to your nick and thought you were some kind of newcomer :) === Toadstool is useless [02:57] Toadstool: No worries :) [02:57] hehe [02:57] Should we only package stables releases or are betas good too? [02:57] somerville32: betas are only good if they fix known bugs that cause problems. [02:58] This is for a new package [02:58] somerville32: Still, is the beta less buggy? [02:58] somerville32: what I usually do is package stable releases and extract patches from development branches [02:58] k [03:00] but of course, if you feel like the beta would be better (let's say you tested thoroughly, no regressions, bug fixes, whatever) then you can package the beta [03:02] kk === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee|NotHere [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marsmensch [n=daniel@149-203-116-85.dsl.manitu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] Whats the magic tar command to gzip and untar w/o modifying the checksum again? [03:11] somerville32: tar xzf works for me. [03:12] somerville32: bunzip2 gzip -9 resulting tar [03:12] persia: thanks [03:12] Hobbsee, :) === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-42-105.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 just notices that his package, pyNeighborhood, was approved by the archive admins and now in Feisty repositories. [03:15] Woot! :) === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] somerville32: congrats' :) [03:19] somerville32: yay! [03:19] hey Hobbsee! [03:20] hey Toadstool!!!! [03:21] how is it going? [03:21] good, and yourself? [03:22] alright, lot of work, lot of time with my girlfriend so not as much time as before for Ubuntu [03:22] ... [03:22] Umm... [03:22] somethings wrong [03:23] They changed the maintainer field to use my personal e-mail instead of my ubuntu one [03:23] :( [03:23] "they"? [03:23] Somewhere along the way it got changed by someone or something [03:24] And I can't install the package... [03:24] How odd [03:25] E: Package pyneighborhood has no installation candidate [03:25] And the depends weren't set properly [03:25] guh... [03:26] Is it possible I have something in my cache? [03:26] somerville32: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyneighborhood reports no package published yet. Wait a bit. [03:26] Ok [03:26] It must be in my cache [03:26] somerville32: pyneighborhood is still waiting for approval in new [03:26] doh [03:26] Ok [03:26] Must be in my cache [03:26] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?start=20 <-- here [03:27] How can I clear my cache? === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.graham.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] somerville32: Try `sudo aptitude clean` === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] apt-cache show pyneighborhood [03:29] Package: pyneighborhood [03:29] Status: deinstall ok config-files [03:29] What does that mean? [03:30] somerville32: It's uninstalled, but not purged. You can fix that with `sudo aptitude purge pyneighborhood` [03:31] Thanks :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 hugs persia. [03:33] Or 'dpkg -P pyneighborhood' [03:34] With a sudo prepended... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] Heya gang [03:46] hey bddebian! === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] Hi Toadstool === dakira [n=daxel3@e177199012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:51] heya bddebian :) [03:51] Hi cypherbios [03:54] bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4015 >> any problem in keep uploading and updating this package on REVU when it isn't archived? [03:54] cypherbios: Even when packages are archived, you can upload new/updated versions. It will automagically un-archive them === somerville32 hugs bddebian [03:56] For what? :-) [03:56] For being such a good person! :) [03:56] And because I know you'll review my package here in a second === somerville32 grins. [03:56] bddebian: don't ask why, you deserve it! :) [03:56] It's true [03:56] Hah, I knew there was an alterior motive :-) [04:04] Is the section util or utils? [04:11] utils [04:22] Heya LaserJock [04:24] hobbsee ops, wrong channel :) [04:24] Hobbsee: can you take a look when you have some time? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4015 [04:25] lol === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-103-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] If a package depends on gtk+, what package do I use? [04:33] libgtk2.0-0 ? [04:34] build-time or run-time? === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.197.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] run-time === ajmitch so tired [04:37] ajmitch: but aren't you relaxing on a weekend? === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] Anybody well versed in dh_install? [04:38] manchicken: What are you looking to accomplish? [04:38] persia: I'm trying to build adept from bzr. [04:38] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/adept/ubuntu/ <-- That bzr repo === persia doesn't know bzr [04:39] persia: you don't? [04:39] just bzr branch that url [04:40] could somebody verify that adept won't build from bzr? [04:40] Just build? [04:40] (you'll have to build-dep adept first though I suppose, but that should be trivial to do in a pbuilder) [04:41] LaserJock: Thanks. [04:41] manchicken: Hold on a bit, and I'll verify. [04:41] If you just `bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/adept/ubuntu/ ./` it'll check it out. [04:42] yeah, bzr co would be faster then actually branching it === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-103-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia switches from branch to co... [04:45] It's so nice to be able to play DVDs on my machine again. === Hobbsee wondres if she'd be missing anything in getting off devel-discuss [04:50] manchicken: It doesn't build for me. Looks like an automake issue. [04:50] persia: What error are you getting? [04:50] (just to make sure it's the same issue) [04:50] manchicken: config.status: error: cannot find input file: adept/kubuntu_upgrader/Makefile.in [04:51] Yeah... [04:51] mine is still downloading deps [04:51] run `make -f ./admin/Makefile.common` and then debuild again. [04:51] manchicken: It looks like Makefile.am isn't being used to generate Makefile.in. I'm too annoyed about m4 recursion in autom4te right now to want to look into it deeper. [04:52] Hobbsee: I was glad when -devel quieted down. [04:52] I am not on -discuss. [04:52] Persia: run `make -f ./admin/Makefile.common` and then debuild again. That will get past that issue. [04:52] TheMuso: yeah, exactly. -discuss is worse than the previous devel [04:54] I'm on -discuss and I hardly get anything [04:54] manchicken: It gets to the compiling now. [04:54] Or I think I'm on -discuss [04:54] persia: I'm having ussues when it does the dh_install -padept-manager [04:54] somerville32: likely on -devel then - there's usually heaps on devel-discuss [04:54] Hobbsee: it still doesn't look that bad to me [04:55] w00t, feisty upgrades. [04:55] Hobbsee: Are you sure you're not subscribed to devel-discuss-annoy-hobbsee? [04:55] hehe [04:55] heh [04:56] LaserJock: the number of useless & unproductive threads has grown [04:56] ajmitch: it still seems better than the original -devel to me [04:56] I wouldn't say so [04:56] persia: haha === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock is confused [04:57] it seems like a lot of dev types on there === ajmitch is always confused [04:57] I'm not seeing all the noise === teer2 [i=teer@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] Hi, my email was forwarded to the distribution list yesterday, about packaging commercial game demos. [04:59] Non-free game demos? [04:59] I did not get back a response that addressed my questions. Anyone able to hellp? I did not get a to see the distribution list mail address. [04:59] manchicken: Yes. [05:00] Why? [05:00] manchicken: Not sure what you mean by non-free actually. [05:00] teer2: Restricts freedom. [05:00] manchicken: A rebuild (after `make -f ./admin/Makefile.common`), didn't have any errors for me. Is something you want not getting installed? [05:00] manchicken: They are freely distributable, but they are not free software. [05:01] teer2: That's unfortunate. [05:01] teer2: Those are just costless. Not free. [05:01] IIRC, Ubuntu has a position that favors free software. [05:02] if they are freely redistributable, it may be possible to put them in multiverse [05:02] These are guys trying to make a living making entertainment software for linux, and supporting the software full-time. Don't you think we should help them out? [05:02] teer2: Package the newly GPL'ed SecondLife client. That'd be nice ^_^ [05:03] teer2: They should try to do so without trying to limit the freedom of others. I do not think we should help others restrict the freedom of others for the sake of their own profit. But that's just me. I'm certainly no official voice. [05:03] teer2: You'll get a better response from your mailing list post. People who are responsible for balancing marketing and politics are more likely to be there. The apps could go in multiverse, or perhaps commercial, depending. [05:05] persia: So what I am seeking is instructions on how these developers can create and submit a package for official (universe/metaverse/commercial) ubuntu distribution. [05:05] teer2: where did you email? [05:05] teer2: If these people wanted to make free software, and earn their living supporting it, I'd support that whole-heartedly. I just have this bias against fascism ^_^ [05:07] teer2: I gave you some instructions yesterday didn't I? [05:07] teer2: Most Ubuntu list archives are publically accessible from https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/. If you mailed one of these lists, you can probably find responses there (although you would likely have been cc'd). [05:07] manchicken: Second life will be a good example to others on how to make games open source commercially, WHEN they finally make it open source (which it isn't now). [05:08] teer2: It's a beautiful thing that SecondLife is GPL'ed now... but until a program's licensing respects freedom, it should be avoided. [05:08] teer2: Before it was GPL'ed, I said SecondLife should be avoided. [05:09] teer2: Now that it is GPL'ed, it should be embraced and used in a manner that suits each user's purpose ^_^ [05:09] LaserJock: Yes, thanks for your help, I emailed the games team, and Stefan Potyra emailed me back and said he wasforwarding it to the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list. However, I did not hear a response in the last day. [05:10] manchicken: Commercial software can also produce open-source engines to be shared, also, their full-time support engages them in improving Linux UIs and smoothing out rough edges in distributions. We have more to gain by being inclusive than exclusive. [05:11] teer2: No, we don't. If we embrace companies that seek to restrict our freedom we lose our freedom, and encourage fascism. [05:12] teer2: We should demand that software licensing respects our freedom. Anything short of freedom is unacceptable. [05:12] LaserJock: Actually mikecorn responded from the mailing list regarding packaging for a specific ubuntu versions, but not regarding packaging in general. [05:13] teer2: I'm more than willing to include companies who are willing to respect freedom. [05:14] LaserJock: What I'm seeking is instructions on how these devs can do their packages and submit them - easy step-by-step instructions [05:15] manchicken: Games take months of time to make, usually by one developer working full time. Unless we can establish a way for them to get compensated financially, then I think we should support the existing compensation model, since no others exist. It's not like other software where people buy support packages. [05:16] teer2: If they can't figure out how to make money, it's hardly the users' fault. Why should people lose freedom because others can't figure out how to make money? [05:17] teer2: I would even pay for a game if it respected my freedom. [05:17] bddebian: are you around? [05:17] manchicken: Because users demand the entertainment, and they will use consoles or windows which restrict their freedom entirely if they cannot find games on Linux. Either way, they should have the choice between free and non-free software. === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] teer2: non-free is non-free. It doesn't matter what system it is on. People should not package, distribute, or otherwise perpetuate this usury of freedom. It is never okay to restrict another human being's freedom for the sake of profit. Ever. [05:19] Interesting conversation going on here [05:19] However, I think it would be better suited somewhere else. [05:19] manchicken: You propose to restrict their freedom by not allowing them to choose non-free software [05:20] joejaxx: Sure [05:20] somerville32: I'm just here looking for distribution package instructions. I realize the room for arguements is down the hall. Sorry! [05:21] teer2: Nope. I say that the software should always be free. Shame on those developers for releasing non-free software. They should be able to choose whatever software they want without having to worry about someone trying to steal their freedom. [05:21] :) [05:21] bddebian: i know this might sound stupid but please forgive my ignorance [05:21] manchicken: I will let you have the last word on the subject. [05:21] bddebian: where can i download gnu/hurd the os that is [05:22] teer2: That's fine. I just hope you don't expect me to keep my mouth shut when you try to subversively distribute software that restricts freedom. [05:22] ^_^ [05:22] somerville32: I've never been very good at staying on topic. [05:22] And I still can't build this bloody adept package. [05:22] Hobbsee, Whats the command syntax for creating a new patch with dpatch again? [05:23] persia: Yo, could you pastebin your `dpkg -l | sort` for me? [05:23] somerville32: Are you talking about cdbs-edit-patch? [05:23] manchicken: Which pastebin is your favorite? [05:23] no [05:23] dpatch [05:23] Righto. [05:24] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ [05:24] somerville32: dpatch-edit-patch or something [05:24] somerville32: i dont remember, i never use dpatch [05:24] What do you use? [05:24] Hobbsee doesn't need to use tools [05:24] bddebian: or is there not a gnu/hurd compilation yet [05:25] somerville32: their converstaion only needs to stop when someoen else asks a question. it probably is a vaguely relevant conversation. [05:25] she creates patches from the editor, knowing all the necessary context [05:25] ajmitch: you're right, actually :P [05:25] Hobbsee, I just asked a question :P [05:25] hah [05:25] joejaxx: You can get the Debian K14 install CDs here: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd [05:25] Well links from there anyway [05:25] I think HURD can install next to your linux kernel. [05:25] bddebian: oh alright thank you :) [05:25] That'd be neat. === Hobbsee usually patches manually [05:25] "Which kernel do I feel like using today?" [05:25] and LONG LIVE CDBS!!! [05:26] manchicken: nice, but there's a completely different ABI, so apps can't be shared :) [05:26] ajmitch: I suspect you'd merely have to recompile things. [05:26] sure, 'merely' recompiling the entire distro isn't much of a hassle, is it? [05:27] heh [05:27] you just have things on separate partitions [05:27] ajmitch: Details, details. [05:27] "Oooh, I feel like dual-booting today - let's start a full recompile!" [05:27] ajmitch: like the python transition and worse :P [05:27] Hobbsee: far, *far* worse [05:27] haha [05:27] ajmitch: Recompiling with apt-get is easy ^_^ [05:27] imagine recompiling firefox or OOo everytime you want to use it [05:28] And glibc only takes about a day and a half to compile on GNU/Hurd ;-P [05:28] talk to bddebian about the fun of portability & GNU/Hurd [05:28] his sanity hasn't returned yet [05:28] All I have to say is: MAXPATHLEN :-) [05:28] ajmitch: If I had an extra disk to work on, I wouldn't mind trying some stuff out on it ^_^ [05:29] at least you have pthreads now! [05:29] manchicken: dpkg -l is far too long and the process appears manual (I'm not sure how to paste a file). Could you paste your error? That's probably an easier way for me to help. [05:29] manchicken: yeah, you're sick [05:29] heh [05:29] manchicken: keep fixing adept :P [05:29] manchicken: and the rest of kubuntu :P [05:29] ajmitch: No, I got this 64-bit processor and it LOVES to compile _^^ [05:30] shame that it'd be wasted with GNU/Hurd [05:30] Hobbsee: Did I tell you that I got the DVD player working as a DIRECT result of your mailing list responses to someone else's question? [05:30] bddebian: what's the current memory limit with gnumach? [05:30] persia: Gimme a second, I'll get the error for you. [05:30] ajmitch: Hush up you traitor ;-P [05:30] ajmitch: 1Gb [05:30] Well a little less than 1Gb actually === somerville32 is sad because imbrandon still hasn't fixed his build boxes! :( [05:30] bddebian: I preferred to spend my time where it would be more useful [05:31] ajmitch: I actually don't like the linux kernel. === ajmitch sees a critique of the Hurd by neal [05:31] should be interesting reading to see where it sucks [05:31] I don't necessarily like Hurd either though. [05:31] persia... [05:32] dh_install -padept-manager [05:32] cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/adept_manager': No such file or directory [05:32] dh_install: command returned error code 256 [05:32] make: *** [binary-install/adept-manager] Error 1 [05:32] adept_manager or adept-manager? [05:32] bddebian: Would you be up for another look at my package? I got the documentation stuff all worked out: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4056 [05:33] ScottK: I'll try. I'm busy playing my NON-FREE game atm ;-P === bddebian hides [05:33] bddebian: is there a channel for hurd? [05:33] joejaxx: #hurd [05:33] manchicken: nope? cool! [05:33] manchicken: Oh. I'm really not sure why it worked for me then. Looking briefly at debian/dirs, I suspect you need to replace "usr" with "usr/bin". [05:33] Thanks. It'd be cool if you did, I have a couple of others and I think I'm ready to get this one behind me. [05:34] persia: But these files are the same for me as they are for you.... [05:34] manchicken: That's why I'm not sure why it worked for me :) [05:36] I'm thinking you have something installed that I don't... [05:43] manchicken: I probably do, but your Build-depends looks fine to me, and I'm guessing you are building with newest feisty, so I shouldn't have newer cdbs or debhelper. [05:44] ScottK: Don't shoot me :-) [05:44] W: postfix-policyd-spf-perl: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man8/postfix-policyd-spf-perl.8p.gz 167: warning: can't find numbered character 194 [05:44] persia: Could you give me the versions of those two packages? [05:45] I've got 0.4.46ubuntu7 [05:45] manchicken: debhelper 5.0.42ubuntu1 and cdbs 0.4.46ubuntu7. [05:45] Any suggestion on where I look to find out what numbered character 194 is and what I do about it? [05:45] bddebian: No shooting. It's my job to get it right and you job to find it when I don't. [05:46] I got the same versions. [05:47] ScottK: Try vim -b on the file. One of the characters should be \194. Delete this. Edit the file in a UTF-8 environment. Add the correct character. [05:47] N: "can't find numbered character" usually means latin1 etc in the input, [05:47] N: and this warning indicates characters will be missing from the output. [05:47] N: You can change to escapes like \[:a] described on the groff_char man [05:47] N: page. [05:47] persia: What version of devscripts do you have? [05:48] manchicken: 2.9.27ubuntu2 === ScottK is learning something new every day... [05:48] Hmm.... [05:50] Does Kate count as a UTF-8 environment? [05:52] ScottK: If KDE is in a UTF-8 locale (I think it is by default for Kubuntu). [05:53] Thanks. I'll go double check that. === schultmc_ [n=schultmc@68.58.138.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] Is en-us UTF-8? === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] teer2: still there? === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] Ironically enough txt2man has no man page. [06:05] heh [06:05] ScottK: really? [06:05] does it have a txt? :-) [06:06] txt2man -h [06:07] It has a man page, it's just blank, at least here. === somerville32 sighs. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] My dpatches aren't being applied. [06:16] you have the right stuff in debian/rules? [06:17] Yup [06:17] are they listed in debian/patches/00list ? [06:18] yes [06:19] and the dpkg-buildpackage log? [06:19] debian/rules build [06:19] test -d debian/patched || install -d debian/patched [06:19] dpatch apply-all [06:19] dpatch cat-all >>patch-stampT [06:20] it will enumerate each dpatch as it is applied and report success or failure (ftbfs) on the same line === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === somerville32 nods. [06:21] It doesn't [06:21] so I know my patch isn't being applied [06:21] url to source package? [06:21] It isn't uploaded === somerville32 uploads. [06:26] Hobbsee: is the u-u-s mailing list up and running? [06:26] yes, it is. [06:26] that should be on -motu [06:26] ultra-ubuntu-secret mailing list? [06:27] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4061 [06:27] or ubuntu-universe-sponsors iirc [06:27] re [06:28] ah [06:29] LaserJock: yes [06:29] that source package does not contain a debian/patches/00list and thus no dpatches would be applied. [06:29] Hobbsee: excellent, thank you very much. :-) [06:29] LaserJock: :) [06:30] I was sad for those emails to go === teer2 [i=teer@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:30] lmao [06:30] because navigating +subscribed bugs on that one is a little tough [06:30] I forgot to debuild -S -sa it again [06:30] well if it's bug emails you seek, I can send you the six thousand unread I have. [06:30] thanks crimsun [06:30] and I *must* get better at email [06:31] crimsun: 6k? dude, how long will it take you to get through that? [06:31] 30 mins. === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] crimsun == machine [06:31] lots of trashing, I'm guessing [06:31] true [06:33] I just get information overload and stare at my screen for a while thinking "Oh my gosh, how can I get anything done" [06:34] apparently that's what sets the losers from the crimsuns :-) === bddebian == loser :-( [06:35] bddebian! [06:35] false [06:35] boy, have I a job for you, mwuahaha ;-) [06:35] Uh oh === LaserJock brings out his Science whip [06:36] according to http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/bugs.html we have 184 open science bugs [06:36] you wanna have a go at some? [06:36] Sure [06:38] Gads, still tetex stuff eh :-( [06:38] I'm guessing there are quite a few sync/merge bugs in there [06:38] yeah, tetex and gnumeric are the big ones, but they're also in Main so they get more attention I think [06:38] :-( [06:39]