/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/01/13/#xubuntu.txt

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tftb	hello, newbie question about xfce shadows and such.. can anyone help?	12:27
TheSheep	!ask	12:28
ubotu	Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)	12:28
tftb	:)	12:28
tftb	yeah, I'm trying to get the window manager to make my windows shadowy and all, but can't seem to get it working	12:29
tftb	I just installed xubuntu 6.10 on top of Ubuntu, which was a bit too slow for this old laptop I'm using	12:29
tftb	so I edited the etc/X11/xorg.conf -file, and put the composite enabled device there, but nothing happens	12:30
tftb	any help would be appreciated	12:31
tftb	if you can't understand what I'm saying, I'd be glad to clarify	12:31
TheSheep	tftb: you still don't have the 'compositor' tab in the window manager tweaks?	12:33
tftb	yeah, that's it	12:33
tftb	nothing there, no compositor	12:34
tftb	Am I correct in assuming that Xubuntu is supposed to have the composite manager by default? just by installing xubuntu-desktop from ubuntu?	12:35
TheSheep	ok, go to your ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/	12:35
g333k_work	TheSheep, the receptop is zenity	12:35
TheSheep	tftb: and edit wmtweaks.xml	12:36
TheSheep	tftb: enable the compositor there	12:36
TheSheep	tftb: it should appear in the wm tweaks then	12:36
TheSheep	g333k_work: I don't understand?	12:36
tftb	TheSheep: I'm sorry, I don't know how to cd myself to a directory that has a dot in it.. I can't see it when I ls	12:38
TheSheep	tftb: enable 'show hidden files' in the menu	12:39
TheSheep	tftb: or in the open diologue, right-click on the file list and enable it there	12:39
tftb	TheSheep: I don't seem to have a file called wmtweaks.xml in the directory	12:43
TheSheep	tftb: ah, then run settings->window manager tweaks, and change some option	12:43
TheSheep	tftb: the file will be created	12:43
tftb	TheSheep: right you were! :)	12:44
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tftb	TheSheep: is it the "UseCompositing" switch? It has type="int" and value="0"	12:46
TheSheep	tftb: ues	12:47
TheSheep	yes	12:47
tftb	TheSheep: I changed it to "1". And now I'm guessing I have to reboot for it to take effect?	12:48
TheSheep	tftb: no	12:49
TheSheep	just close the wm tweaks and open again	12:49
tftb	TheSheep: So the compositor-tab should be visible now? It's not :(	12:50
TheSheep	weird	12:51
TheSheep	maybe it saved the xml file when you were closing it	12:51
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tftb	sorry, didn't understand?	12:51
somerville32	tftb: Check to make sure it changed	12:52
tftb	yeah, it's zero again! weird!	12:52
TheSheep	tftb: the wm tweaks must have saved it before you exited it	12:52
tftb	hmh. weird. now it IS "1" but still can't get the tab	12:55
TheSheep	tftb: you do have compositing enabled in xorg?	12:56
tftb	yeah... I wrote Section "Extensions" (enter) Option "Composite" "Enabled" (enter) EndSection	12:58
tftb	I'm gonna try if logging out helps.	01:06
TheSheep	I doubt it...	01:07
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tftb	TheSheep: Hooray! Thanks a lot! It worked	01:09
tftb	I'm so happy :) It's prrrrretty :)	01:10
somerville32	I agree :)	01:13
TheSheep	unbelievable	01:15
somerville32	What? :)	01:17
TheSheep	it should have worked without a login :/	01:17
TheSheep	otoh, a restart of xfwm4 might be required...	01:17
PuMpErNiCkLe	To enable compositing? Yeah.	01:20
TheSheep	have you got this bug in xfwm4+gimp where your whole interface freezes if you brush a lot too quickly?	01:22
somerville32	I saw a bug on launchpad	01:23
TheSheep	I reported it almost a year ago :(	01:23
TheSheep	and even explained what couses it	01:23
TheSheep	causes	01:23
somerville32	What causes it?	01:23
somerville32	Bug #61424	01:24
Ubugtu	Malone bug 61424 in xfwm4 "After painting several fast strokes in gimp, whole desktop freezes, not reacting to any clicks for several seconds." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61424	01:24
TheSheep	somerville32: gimp feeds the icon updates to the xfwm4, so that the icon on the title bar is up-to-date	01:24
TheSheep	somerville32: oh, fix released?	01:24
TheSheep	ah, it's not in feisty yet :(	01:25
TheSheep	thanks!	01:25
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somerville32	np	01:28
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Jester45	how can i cheack my cpu speed	01:42
Jester45	and im working on raising the FSB and i need to know if this will change AS THE CPU SPEED CHANGES	01:43
somerville32	cat /etc/cpuinfo ?	01:43
somerville32	errr...	01:43
somerville32	cat /proc/cpuinfo	01:43
MagicFab	from graphic interface or command line ?	01:50
MagicFab	Jester45, ^^	01:50
MagicFab	sorry	01:52
MagicFab	was out	01:52
MagicFab	what is FSB ?	01:52
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ApexMB	hi guys	01:54
somerville32	Hi :)	01:54
ApexMB	just trying to get xubuntu on an old lappy but it seems to fail mounting the root at the install	01:55
ApexMB	keeps saying it cant write to the disk	01:55
somerville32	Oh boy : (	01:56
MagicFab	mhh	01:56
ApexMB	it did have a dodgy fisys on it	01:56
Jester45	ok i have many questions but first, i got my usb working :0 it was somthing with the port on my mobo so i get a new usb pci card and all is good	01:56
somerville32	ApexMB, Are you using the desktop or alternative cd?	01:56
somerville32	Jester45, Thats good to hear :)	01:56
ApexMB	one 2gig fat16, 1 2gb allocation of free space and 16gb btfs	01:56
ApexMB	so i wiped the hd completely blank	01:56
ApexMB	and im running memtest	01:57
ApexMB	and somerville32 its the desktop x86 disc	01:57
Jester45	second thing is on my mobo i have many pins with jumpers on them and one set is out in hte middle of no where not by the pci not the harddrive or the cpu it just there	01:57
somerville32	ApexMB, So, how big is the disc all together?	01:57
ApexMB	almost 700mb	01:57
ApexMB	685mb	01:57
Jester45	i tried switching them hoping for a FSB upgrade for my cpu but i couldnt tell wuth just boot time so does anyone know how to check my cpu speed like the real speed of processing?	01:58
somerville32	ApexMB: I mean your hard drive ;]	01:58
ApexMB	oh	01:58
ApexMB	20gig	01:58
somerville32	Jester45, That could easily kill your system	01:58
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somerville32	Jester45, And we don't provide support for overclocking due to associated risks	01:59
Jester45	somerville32: or speed it up it just depends on the way to look at it	01:59
somerville32	ApexMB: So you're already tried to install it and it didn't work? What partition did you try to install it to?	01:59
ApexMB	well its just on the launcher	02:00
Jester45	somerville32: well i dont want suport for overcoaking exactly becuase i dont know what the pins do but im just trying ot get somthing for linux hat tell me my real cpu speed i will try the pin switching on my own	02:00
ApexMB	it eventually gets passed launcher	02:00
somerville32	Jester45: /proc/cpuinfo contains the info	02:00
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ApexMB	but hangs up on the devicee driver check/preinstall	02:00
Jester45	somerville32: if you want to pm me some ideas as to remove the "we" from it	02:00
somerville32	ApexMB: Try using the alternative ISO	02:00
Jester45	somerville32: so that will change is the speed changed	02:00
somerville32	Jester4: I believe so, yes.	02:01
ApexMB	whats the difference?	02:01
somerville32	ApexMB: text-based installer, more mature, etc. etc.	02:01
ApexMB	its running memtest right now	02:01
somerville32	ApexMB: Ok, try again	02:01
Jester45	ApexMB: how much RAAM do you have	02:01
somerville32	ApexMB: If it doesn't work, try alternative ISO	02:01
ApexMB	i didnt see wether it used the launcher or not	02:01
ApexMB	192mb	02:01
Jester45	RAM*	02:01
Jester45	ok i would use the alt install	02:01
somerville32	ApexMB: What version of Xubuntu?	02:01
ApexMB	ya 192mb	02:01
Jester45	it would be faster	02:01
ApexMB	x86 desktop	02:02
somerville32	No, what version of Xubuntu	02:02
somerville32	lol	02:02
Jester45	becuase with texted based you dont load up as many things	02:02
Jester45	ApexMB: drapper or edgy?	02:02
somerville32	6.06 Dapper? 6.10 Edgy?	02:02
ApexMB	dapper	02:02
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somerville32	ApexMB: 6.06 or 6.06.1?	02:03
ApexMB	6.06.1	02:03
somerville32	ApexMB: There are some bugs with the live dkestop installer in that release. Just tell it to whip your entire drive and automatically setup partitions and you should be fine.	02:04
ApexMB	yeah i think it was just the real dodgy partitioning too	02:04
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somerville32	Most likely :)	02:04
Jester45	somerville32: could you use a firewire storage device to use as swap?	02:04
ApexMB	i thought the gui installer flashed up before getting to memtest	02:04
somerville32	Jester45: I'm sure you could	02:05
ApexMB	if it did then that part is solved	02:05
Jester45	somerville32: o fun im gonna try that and maybe a usb :)	02:06
Commander-Crowe	in fstab what do I put for reiserfs	02:06
Jester45	reiserfs	02:06
Jester45	or maybe auto	02:06
ApexMB	if this doesnt work should i try alternate 6.10?	02:06
Jester45	auto is a nice thing	02:06
somerville32	ApexMB, Sure :)	02:06
Jester45	if you wantg	02:06
somerville32	ApexMB, Wait a sec.	02:07
somerville32	ApexMB, Do you have some spare time to waste? :)	02:07
ApexMB	10mb broadband ftw ;)	02:07
Jester45	ok well im going ot brb after i switch some pins	02:07
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ApexMB	sure somerville32	02:07
Commander-Crowe	niether auto or reiserfs work	02:07
somerville32	ApexMB, We are testing our Alpha for the next release of Xubuntu.	02:08
somerville32	ApexMB, Maybe you help test them out? :)	02:08
ApexMB	sure =D	02:08
somerville32	!testing \| ApexMB	02:08
ubotu	ApexMB: For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current	02:08
ApexMB	as long as it downloads quick :P	02:08
somerville32	hehe	02:08
ApexMB	ok well we'll see where this install goes, if its still being a butt, then ill try the alpha	02:09
somerville32	aight	02:09
somerville32	Thanks :)	02:10
ApexMB	the whole idea of the linux test is to sort of experience things i havent done yet	02:10
ApexMB	im having to learn it for work	02:10
somerville32	Its really simple to test our ISOs	02:10
somerville32	You just download, burn, and try to install	02:10
somerville32	post-install, there is a list of tasks to try and complete	02:10
somerville32	ie. Open a file in the text editor	02:11
ApexMB	ok	02:11
ApexMB	sounds pretty cool	02:11
Jester45	ApexMB: if you have a pretty good computer you can run linux inside of windows so you dont have to burn but... you cant install from that but it might help you pick what type of linux	02:13
ApexMB	i dont really think theres much difference for consumer-prosumer distros	02:15
somerville32	Its the small stuff	02:16
somerville32	It all looks the same	02:16
somerville32	but under the hood there are lots of differences	02:16
ApexMB	heh	02:16
ApexMB	i guess	02:16
ApexMB	youd have thought by now someone wouldve broken off and made the gui something way different	02:17
somerville32	There are a few L[	02:19
somerville32	But people don't like change	02:19
somerville32	hehe	02:19
ApexMB	hehe	02:20
ApexMB	whats that full 3d thing?	02:20
ApexMB	x-something	02:20
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Jester45	i droped my cpy down by .02 mhz	02:21
Jester45	so slow :)	02:21
maxamillion	not bad	02:21
Jester45	brb again	02:21
somerville32	Jester45 is trying to overclock his cpu	02:22
maxamillion	overclock? ... why?	02:22
ApexMB	XGL!	02:22
ApexMB	thats it	02:22
PuMpErNiCkLe	I hope he read some documentation first.	02:22
PuMpErNiCkLe	Otherwise, I give him an 80% chance of bricking his computer.	02:23
maxamillion	i hope he frags it to learn a lesson	02:23
maxamillion	ApexMB: you don't need an overclocked cpu for xgl ... just aiglx and a compatible vid card and the updated drivers	02:23
PuMpErNiCkLe	maxamillion: That works too. ^^	02:24
ApexMB	oh i wouldnt be able to do it on this POS laptop	02:24
ApexMB	lol	02:24
maxamillion	i don't like software emulation of 3d effects ... it just bothers me that my cpu is wasting cycles on things that aren't necessary	02:24
somerville32	maxamillion, My cpu is never wasting cycles	02:27
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ApexMB	:P	02:27
ApexMB	400mhz	02:27
somerville32	OoOoo :)	02:27
ApexMB	P2	02:27
ApexMB	designed for Windows 98	02:28
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somerville32	Mine too	02:28
somerville32	:]	02:28
somerville32	err..	02:29
Pirate-King	hey somerville32	02:29
somerville32	Designed for Xubuntu! :)	02:29
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somerville32	Heya Pirate-King : )	02:29
ApexMB	i heard that fedora 7 is going to intro a low level distro like xubuntu	02:29
maxamillion	JKnife runs beryl on an AMD K6-2 350Mhz w/ 192mb of ram because he uses an AIGLX compatible graphics card and the updated drivers ... says he only suffers an average of about 12mb more ram usage too	02:29
ApexMB	sort of divide itself into specofic areas like ubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu	02:29
Jester45	somerville32: i squezzed out 305.6more mhz so it was worth it	02:30
somerville32	Wow!	02:30
somerville32	Jester45: Make sure you got good cooling!	02:30
somerville32	Do you have a cpu heat monitor?	02:30
maxamillion	ApexMB: please re-word yourself ... xubuntu is not a "low level distro"	02:30
somerville32	lol	02:30
Jester45	somerville32: yes ... my hand	02:30
somerville32	+ ;]	02:30
somerville32	Jester45: CPUs are always hot	02:30
ApexMB	i meant a distro designed to work with low end machines and thin clients	02:30
Jester45	low usage distro	02:30
somerville32	lol	02:31
Jester45	a.k.a. low wastage distro	02:31
ApexMB	still very new to this	02:31
ApexMB	literally started on wed on a training course	02:32
Pirate-King	wonder why I would have trouble with x server	02:32
Jester45	ApexMB: try Damn Small Linux its pretty cool	02:32
Pirate-King	on an old machine	02:32
somerville32	Pirate-King, What do you have? :)	02:33
somerville32	ApexMB, Stick with Xubuntu. Xubuntu rocks :)	02:33
ApexMB	well i had a little play with ubuntu a long time ago so i thought id try this first	02:33
Jester45	somerville32: how much is "good cooling" i got 4 fans that seems to work	02:33
ApexMB	i ran it as the main os on sisters laptop	02:33
somerville32	Jester45: Check the cpu temp	02:33
ApexMB	never had to reformat it again	02:33
somerville32	:)	02:34
Jester45	somerville32: not to hot	02:34
Jester45	somerville32: my hand isnt burning so its all good	02:34
maxamillion	ApexMB: i run xubuntu on an Athlon64 3200+ w/ 1gb of ram at home and an Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb of ram on my workstation in my office .... xubuntu is about choice and efficiency .... but yes, it is "more suited" for a low end machine then ubuntu or kubuntu, but that isn't its purpose	02:34
ApexMB	sister likes to wander onto sites with downloadable toolbars and silly icons and the like	02:34
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somerville32	ApexMB, I hear yeah	02:34
ApexMB	soon as ubuntu was on with firefox and flash, boom	02:35
ApexMB	all solved	02:35
Jester45	/me uses add block only see ads once then block the whole add site	02:35
somerville32	Jester45: So you use... Windows? :P	02:35
Jester45	humm	02:35
Jester45	sometimes	02:35
ApexMB	linux install and muse playing... geek heaven :P	02:36
ApexMB	i use windows	02:36
ApexMB	on main machine	02:36
=== somerville32 uses Xubuntu exclusively.
ApexMB	video editor	02:36
ApexMB	whole Avid/Adobe setup	02:36
ApexMB	i also run Mac OS X	02:36
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ApexMB	for main work	02:36
ApexMB	on a mac, obviously :P	02:37
ApexMB	no hackintosh here	02:37
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Jester45	hackintosh? running mac os on a pc?	02:37
ApexMB	yes	02:38
ApexMB	i tried it, it worked out terribly	02:38
ApexMB	doesnt feel like a mac	02:38
maxamillion	ApexMB: wait ... did you post on the forums about dual booting hackintosh?	02:38
ApexMB	preferences and permissions are alllll over the place	02:38
ApexMB	no	02:39
ApexMB	at least i dont think so	02:39
Jester45	i want a 180mm fan	02:39
maxamillion	oh .. ok, because someone posted and it had like 110 views but no replies, so i replied :)	02:39
Jester45	lol	02:39
ApexMB	link	02:39
ApexMB	?	02:39
maxamillion	ApexMB: lemme go search for it ...	02:39
ApexMB	and can i quit memtest at any time or do i need to waif for it	02:39
magic_ninja	what up all	02:40
Jester45	somerville32: can you fill a case with thermal paste? as a colling system and remove all fans	02:40
maxamillion	ApexMB: i was wrong ... only ~70 views ... but still ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=334959&highlight=hackintosh	02:40
ApexMB	... Jester45	02:40
somerville32	Jester45: Hell no.	02:40
ApexMB	no	02:40
somerville32	Jester45: Thermal paste doesn't cool it down :P	02:41
Jester45	why not it sounds good to me	02:41
Jester45	are you sure	02:41
somerville32	Yes.	02:41
Jester45	why put it on processors	02:41
ApexMB	improve connectivity	02:42
ApexMB	or thermal connectivity	02:42
Jester45	between what	02:42
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ApexMB	cpu and heatsink	02:42
ApexMB	too much thermal paste can burn out the cpu	02:42
Jester45	like as in transfer heat faster? as in transfer heat from inside ther case to outside	02:42
ApexMB	its meant as a thin stopgap so theres no gaps inbetween the 2	02:43
maxamillion	Jester45: these are things you should have thought about before overclocking your cpu	02:43
ApexMB	nah this is hanging at the "mounting root file system" again	02:43
Jester45	im not worried about coolage	02:43
ApexMB	hdc: drive not ready for command	02:43
magic_ninja	any of you use the new nvidia driver	02:43
maxamillion	Jester45: you're not worried about cooling your cpu after you just overclocked it?	02:44
Jester45	i got a psu fan a fan on cpu heatsink and fan on the gpu heatsink and a intake fane	02:44
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Jester45	maxamillion: nope	02:44
maxamillion	magic_ninja: yeah, i use the new 9xxx nvidia driver at work, what's up?	02:44
maxamillion	Jester45: glhf	02:44
magic_ninja	Jester45: lol man	02:44
Jester45	tanks for the gl and i will always hf	02:44
magic_ninja	maxamillion: having a few probs getting it installed....isn't the nvidia driver on backports?	02:45
Jester45	i will cool itsself :0	02:45
ApexMB	lol	02:45
maxamillion	magic_ninja: don't think so, i had to add in a third party repository i found on the wiki.beryl-project.com site	02:45
Jester45	it can only get so hot	02:45
magic_ninja	ohh, ok, i know what ur talking about	02:45
ApexMB	ive had PJ64 running Zelda minimised for 5 days	02:45
=== maxamillion searches for tom's hardware flash video of cpu's lighting on fire due to lack of proper cooling
ApexMB	that video is a classic	02:46
darrend	magic_ninja: try this.. http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html	02:46
Jester45	i wanna see	02:46
ApexMB	and the one where they fry eggs on it	02:46
ApexMB	it might be the same video	02:47
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Jester45	how muc more is 1ghz to 1.3 like 30% right	02:47
ApexMB	yes	02:47
Jester45	might overheat i will turn it dowen a bit then	02:47
Jester45	all the pins whre on the low side i switched them all to max	02:48
ApexMB	im really surprised at the core 2 duo e6600	02:48
ApexMB	you can overclock it to over 60-80% on stock cooling	02:48
Jester45	cool	02:48
ApexMB	still runs in the safe	02:48
ApexMB	those things are damn near perfect	02:49
Jester45	my cooling system is perfect for fans	02:49
Jester45	its use each other nicly	02:49
Jester45	nicely	02:50
maxamillion	Jester45: http://www.tomshardware.com/site/videos/thg_videos-01.html .... enjoy :)	02:50
Jester45	i will	02:51
Jester45	hummm	02:51
maxamillion	ApexMB: yeah ... i'm faithful to amd but i can't lie ... intel is kicking hind parts and taking names right now	02:51
Jester45	any guess on how many computers i have messed up in my life time?	02:51
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maxamillion	Jester45: huh?	02:52
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ApexMB	maxamillion, im getting an error "hdc: drive not ready for command" on the boot, trying to look at the forums but theres only answers like switching the master and slave, but scince im on a laptop, i cant do that	02:54
ApexMB	any ideas?	02:54
Tox	what is default file browser in xubuntu ? i mean in kubuntu konqueror in ubuntu nautilus, xubuntu - ?	02:54
Jester45	notes*	02:55
Jester45	of what you said	02:55
TheSheep	Tox: Thunar	02:55
Jester45	im guessing its video 1 right?	02:55
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Tox	tnx!	02:55
Tox	just one question ... is it better than konqueror ?	02:56
TheSheep	Tox: of course!	02:56
TheSheep	Tox: we would be using kde otherwise	02:56
Jester45	well... its in xubuntu so yes its better	02:56
Tox	why if not a secret ? :) sorry ..	02:56
TheSheep	Tox: it's fast, has nice and simple interface, does exactly what we need	02:57
Jester45	its xubuntuish	02:57
TheSheep	Tox: and doesn't use any additional kde or gnome libs	02:57
maxamillion	Jester45: i think each of those videos has something light on fire ... don't remember though	02:57
maxamillion	Jester45: no ... yeah, i think its 1	02:58
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Tox	i need only to see all files how to say in ms windows (forgive me father :) ) view ..	02:58
maxamillion	Tox: what?	02:59
Tox	i mean i nned detailed view, preview and other good stuf in file browser	02:59
somerville32	Tox: Right	03:00
somerville32	You can do that :)	03:00
Tox	konq and nautilus dont have it i mean like in ms win explorer view	03:00
somerville32	Tox: All three do	03:00
Tox	something like that	03:00
ApexMB	right	03:00
somerville32	Tox: They all support icon and list view	03:01
ApexMB	6.10 text install seems to be ok	03:01
Tox	side panel and file view ?	03:01
ApexMB	maybe a bug in 6.06	03:01
somerville32	Tox: Konq has a context menu, yes.	03:01
magic_ninja	hmmm	03:02
ApexMB	hmm	03:03
Tox	ok i'd try thunar .. thx	03:03
ApexMB	the installers stalled	03:03
maxamillion	ApexMB: alternate cd?	03:03
ApexMB	yes	03:03
maxamillion	ApexMB: 85%?	03:03
ApexMB	just after the cd drive detection	03:03
ApexMB	no its not even got to the install yet	03:04
maxamillion	oh ... nvm, not the bug i was thinking of	03:04
ApexMB	asked for keyboard select	03:04
ApexMB	then it searched for cdrom	03:04
ApexMB	now its stalled	03:04
darrend	is there a cron expression for "3rd last day of the month" ?	03:05
somerville32	Whats a 3rd last day? lol	03:05
Jester45	3rd to the last day	03:06
somerville32	Isn't there only one last day of a month in a month? lol	03:06
darrend	like 2 days b4 the last day	03:06
ApexMB	its not liking this cdrom module	03:06
Jester45	as in 3 days b4 the laft	03:06
Jester45	close	03:06
ApexMB	like, really throwing a hissy fit at it	03:06
Jester45	dude those cpus where cookin	03:06
Jester45	360 thats a bit hot	03:07
somerville32	told ya	03:07
darrend	can it be done?	03:07
Jester45	owned it	03:07
somerville32	darrend, I imagine	03:07
ApexMB	GAH	03:07
ApexMB	it kicked in	03:07
ApexMB	this cdrom doesnt contain a release file	03:08
ApexMB	i think it timed out detecting my cdrom module	03:08
Jester45	look at http://www.tomshardware.com/cgi-bin/downloads.m?id=32 thats what i was talking about	03:09
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Jester45	ooo vidd is here	03:09
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vidd_laptop	hello to you too Jester45	03:10
Jester45	im to far away to hear you	03:11
ApexMB	what in the craps name	03:11
ApexMB	thats really strange	03:11
Jester45	??	03:11
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somerville32	:)	03:11
vidd_laptop	somerville32 already there	03:11
Jester45	weeeee im flying	03:11
ApexMB	it fails to read from the cd first time around and then second time it checks, it finnds it perfectly	03:11
somerville32	ApexMB: Sounds like your hardware is flaky	03:12
ApexMB	its doing an integrity check	03:12
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ApexMB	after the integrity check will it go onto the install or dump me back at the menu?	03:13
vidd_laptop	back to menu ApexMB	03:14
ApexMB	ok	03:14
ApexMB	hmm	03:14
ApexMB	will the installer trry the disc twice if it cant do it first time?	03:14
vidd_laptop	nope...one and done	03:15
ApexMB	that seems to be the problem	03:15
ApexMB	its not finding the cdrom first time	03:15
ApexMB	but second time.. fine	03:15
TheSheep	ApexMB: there is the minicd that downloads most everythign from the repositories...	03:15
TheSheep	ApexMB: the cd itself ony contains the installer, all the rest is downloaded	03:16
Jester45	no	03:16
Jester45	o	03:16
Jester45	wait	03:16
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ApexMB	i just dont get why it works second time around	03:17
magic_ninja	Type 'http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit' is not known on line 27 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list	03:17
magic_ninja	trying to add that repo	03:18
ApexMB	unfortunately this has no net access atm	03:18
ApexMB	the lapto	03:18
ApexMB	p	03:18
ApexMB	see whats confusing e is it just demonstrated the ability to read from the disc	03:19
ApexMB	it passed integrity	03:19
ApexMB	why cant it do that first time	03:20
vidd_laptop	it hates you?	03:20
vidd_laptop	acually...ive had that issue myself on occation	03:20
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vidd_laptop	usually, i find the disk is scratched or not seated right in the drive	03:21
ApexMB	hmm	03:22
ApexMB	the disc is freshlu burned	03:22
TheSheep	or dirty/scratched lens of the drive	03:22
magic_ninja	even worse	03:23
magic_ninja	duster	03:23
ApexMB	how comes it aways works second time	03:23
ApexMB	that makes no sense	03:23
magic_ninja	because every time a cdrom crashes an angel gets its wings	03:23
ApexMB	its done it twice in a row now	03:23
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magic_ninja	ApexMB: i had the same problem	03:24
vidd_laptop	magic_ninja, then ive created an army of angles!	03:24
maxamillion	and everytime windows crashed a demon defeats an angel .... anyone notice how currupt the world is becomming at such an alarming rate? ..... coincidence? i think not!	03:24
magic_ninja	ApexMB: for serious, jus get a new cdrom drive, find a used one for 5 or 10 bucks, everyone has that old pentium III layin around	03:24
maxamillion	crashes*	03:24
magic_ninja	vidd_laptop: lolz	03:24
magic_ninja	yay, i made a tree joke	03:25
TheSheep	maxamillion: every time someone boots linux, the God bluescreens one windows	03:25
magic_ninja	grr this driver repo gonna anger mean	03:25
ApexMB	thing is its a laptop	03:25
magic_ninja	lol	03:25
magic_ninja	thats so funny	03:25
vidd_laptop	maxamillion, good thing i made that army of angles	03:25
ApexMB	and i think ive worked around it	03:25
RememberPOL	Will one, in the future, be able to seamlessly upgrade from Eft to Fawn?	03:25
magic_ninja	i command the demon's of satan	03:25
TheSheep	---> offtopic	03:25
magic_ninja	lol	03:26
maxamillion	vidd_laptop: ;)	03:26
ApexMB	launch the setup in expert mode, and run a disc integrity check, and as soon as it burns out the failure, go ahead and install and it should read fine	03:26
ApexMB	i say that and it stalled again though	03:26
vidd_laptop	RememberPOL, in THEORY	03:27
ApexMB	its gotten further than it has before mind you	03:27
ApexMB	its asked me for a hostname	03:27
RememberPOL	vidd_laptop: I try not to stray far from mainstream default + 3rd party apps available in the repository... the only custom thing I really have is latest nvidia/xorg drivers + beryl.	03:28
magic_ninja	ApexMB: find a 10 dollar 52x regular cdrom drive and buy it, if your poor like me it does the trick	03:28
vidd_laptop	magic_ninja, he is on a lappy	03:28
vidd_laptop	those cost like 40	03:28
magic_ninja	yea i know	03:29
magic_ninja	find a crackhead and give him 15 bucks....	03:29
Jester45	lol	03:29
Jester45	or crack	03:29
Jester45	or sugar	03:29
magic_ninja	na, the latter will get ya door kicked in	03:29
ApexMB	it seems to be working	03:29
vidd_laptop	find the RIGHT crack head and he'll get you a new lappy for a decent sized rock	03:29
ApexMB	i just needed to burn out that first detection error	03:29
vidd_laptop	lol	03:30
ApexMB	i hhope	03:30
magic_ninja	vidd_laptop: how you think i got a decent laptop and nice 10"s for 50 bucks :-)	03:30
vidd_laptop	just dont give up	03:31
ApexMB	2-30am and im not sleeping until this either a) installs or b) fails	03:31
magic_ninja	fiend friends	03:31
magic_ninja	apex try using an alternate cd	03:31
ApexMB	i am	03:31
vidd_laptop	magic_ninja, i need this 72"plasma monitor.....	03:31
ApexMB	alternative 6.10	03:31
vidd_laptop	ApexMB, or c) you collapse in a heap on the floor?	03:32
ApexMB	that too	03:32
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ApexMB	seems to be trundling along now	03:32
ApexMB	installing the base system	03:32
ApexMB	so that workaround seems to have worked	03:32
magic_ninja	vidd_laptop: nerd	03:33
vidd_laptop	as long as you have the base system, you can apt-get the rest if it fails	03:33
magic_ninja	anyway....i was wondering, what is beryl	03:33
magic_ninja	in non technical terms	03:33
ApexMB	ah first time i saw apt-get i was like... wow	03:33
ApexMB	:P	03:33
vidd_laptop	magic_ninja, no, really....i need it...for ummm research....	03:33
Jester45	vidd_laptop: its a pretty desktop thingy	03:34
magic_ninja	stats of games vs with regular 17 inch	03:34
vidd_laptop	magic_ninja, beryl is compu-caine	03:34
magic_ninja	i'm using an old school regular vga 17 inch monitor	03:34
vidd_laptop	eye candy	03:34
magic_ninja	it sucks by today's standards but in the day	03:34
magic_ninja	ohhh	03:34
magic_ninja	don't care about it	03:34
magic_ninja	i like a simple running desktop mostly	03:34
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ApexMB	heh	03:35
vidd_laptop	put that in 800x600 and you can see it from 20 feet	03:35
Jester45	becuase its a tv but	03:35
ApexMB	i have an abundance of cables	03:35
ApexMB	i work in the av market	03:36
Jester45	its in	03:36
Jester45	2480x1200	03:36
Jester45	i think	03:36
ApexMB	were scheduled to get one of the samsung 106inch plasmas in to have a look at sometime this week	03:36
ApexMB	or next rather	03:36
vidd_laptop	Jester45, i'd need to be 2 feet avay or closer to read that resolution	03:36
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Jester45	vidd_laptop: larger fonts :)	03:37
Jester45	its a pain chaning moniters	03:37
TheSheep	Jester45: set your dpi correctly :)	03:38
Jester45	gota change xorg first then all the fonts are big	03:38
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Jester45	its not half blind	03:40
TheSheep	Jester45: what would you do if you were blind?	03:41
TheSheep	um, sorry, --> offtopic	03:41
Jester45	shoot myself	03:42
ApexMB	seems to be going ok	03:43
ApexMB	thanks for the help guys	03:43
ApexMB	im sure ill be back	03:43
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magic_ninja	man i updated to new versions for edgy nvidia graphic card driver and x wouldn't start	04:01
magic_ninja	back on old ones	04:01
magic_ninja	where can i get a set of faster repos...the normal ones are just going like 20 kbps	04:08
somerville32	magic_ninja: There are tons of mirrors	04:08
magic_ninja	do you have one handy?	04:09
somerville32	lol	04:12
somerville32	You do	04:12
somerville32	magic_ninja: Applications > System > Software Sources	04:12
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irvin	hey	04:34
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magic_ninja	man i got a problem...i updated to the beta drivers and i think i need to reconfigure xorg or such but not sure (i'm in text right now)	04:47
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magic_ninja	hey guys i got a problem with the nvidia graphics drive...i updated it but the nvidia graphics driver for x gives me a "(EE): device not found" when i run startx	04:52
TheSheep	magic_ninja: how did you update it?	04:54
magic_ninja	via the repo listed on a website...let me get the url	04:54
TheSheep	magic_ninja: then you need also the module for your kernel	04:55
magic_ninja	http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beta_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29	04:55
magic_ninja	* The upgrade should update your linux-restricted-modules & linux-restricted-modules-common packages.	04:56
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magic_ninja	TheSheep: you mean nvidia kernel common?	04:59
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JonTec__	can anyone tell me why I can't set my essid with iwconfig	06:08
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Commander-Crowe	hrm	06:24
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Pirate-king	hello	06:33
Pirate-king	tring to ge sound card to work	06:33
somerville32	:)	06:33
Commander-Crowe	ok	06:33
Commander-Crowe	tell on	06:33
Pirate-king	it is a isa sound card	06:33
Pirate-king	I do a aplay -l	06:34
Pirate-king	doesn't show up	06:34
somerville32	ISA cards aren't well supported by Alsa	06:34
somerville32	Pirate-king, Ask crimsun - he knows best.	06:34
Pirate-king	that's not good	06:34
Pirate-king	crissum you here?	06:35
Pirate-king	crimsun you here?	06:36
Commander-Crowe	ISA?	06:36
Commander-Crowe	old school	06:36
Pirate-king	yeah	06:36
Pirate-king	yeah	06:36
crimsun	Pirate-king: what do you need?	06:39
Pirate-king	tring to get a isa sound card to work	06:40
Pirate-king	know any good how too's	06:40
crimsun	which isa card is it?	06:40
Pirate-king	don't know	06:40
Pirate-king	have to pull it out to see	06:40
Pirate-king	bbiab	06:40
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fish	who	07:06
somerville32	Indeed	07:10
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crazy_bus	What is the bulk rename tool called that comes with Xubuntu?	07:22
somerville32	Thunar Bulk Renamer :)	07:23
crazy_bus	thanks	07:29
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LORDgarth	I am dual-booting a tower, with both Windows and GRUB on the first active partition, and xubuntu on the second. I re-installed Windows, and doing this removed GRUB. I need a way to re-install GRUB, preferably without going through the whole setup process and re-installing xubuntu.	07:39
somerville32	!grub \| LORDgarth	07:43
ubotu	LORDgarth: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto	07:43
LORDgarth	Thank you... I feel stupid now. :)	07:45
somerville32	No problem :)	07:45
somerville32	And thank you for using Xubuntu! :)	07:45
fish	You are not allowed to access the system configuration.	07:48
fish	what's wrong	07:48
somerville32	fish: This is a known bug.	07:48
fish	Thank u!:)	07:48
somerville32	fish: It should be fixed shortly.	07:48
somerville32	fish: Just run the programs with gksudo	07:49
fish	OK!i ll	07:49
LORDgarth	By the way, should I be worried that fdisk thinks the partition that supposedly contains windows does not have a valid partition table?	07:56
somerville32	LORDgarth: Can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?	07:56
somerville32	!pastebin > LORDgarth	07:56
LORDgarth	Sry, never mind; for whatever reason, the gpartd sees the drive fine... I guess it's OK.	07:58
somerville32	LORDgarth: Are you getting the error at boot?	07:59
LORDgarth	No, I called " fdisk /dev/sda ", and fdisk complained there was no valid partition table, and listed no partitions.	08:00
somerville32	oh, hehe	08:01
LORDgarth	But, when I looked at it in gpartd, it showed up fine, so I don't even know if there's actually a problem or not. I'm choosing to go with not. :)	08:01
LORDgarth	OK, yet another problem (sorry, sorry): the grub console claims it can't read the partition where I have /boot/ (sdb1, formatted jfs).	08:05
somerville32	hehe	08:08
somerville32	Just use ext3	08:08
LORDgarth	I'd rather not re-install, if I can help it.	08:08
somerville32	You don't need to	08:08
LORDgarth	Oh, how so?	08:08
somerville32	Just delete the /boot/ partition and recreate it as ext3	08:08
LORDgarth	Oh, I didn't create a separate boot partition; it's in my root partition, which is jfs.	08:09
somerville32	Ah	08:09
somerville32	Why did you pick jfs?	08:09
LORDgarth	I find it a little odd that this wasn't a problem before.	08:09
LORDgarth	I'd never used it before, and wanted to give it a try.	08:09
LORDgarth	I usually use ext3 and reiser.	08:10
somerville32	ext3 is the most stable	08:10
LORDgarth	Yeah, but stable is boring. It works, and stuff.	08:10
somerville32	lol	08:11
LORDgarth	Unstable is so much more fun; I get to be up at 2:00 am, trying to get my machine to boot.	08:11
somerville32	file systems are pretty boring	08:11
somerville32	;]	08:11
LORDgarth	Heh, not right now, regretably. If I may ask, though, why hasn't this incompatability shown up before? I've been using GRUB with this set-up for a while.	08:12
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somerville32	LORDgarth: I'm not sure if it is incompatible.	08:14
LORDgarth	It doesn't appear to be sure whether it's incompatible.	08:14
LORDgarth	Hmm.	08:16
LORDgarth	I chrooted into my pre-existing xubuntu installation and ran grub-install from there; it seems to think it worked. I'm going to go try to boot it. Thanks for your help, somerville.	08:17
somerville32	np :)	08:17
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Commander-Crowe	wb	08:58
somerville32	:)	08:58
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Commander-Crowe	there's no place like ~	09:07
DarthLappy	Commander-Crowe: Boo...So old.	09:08
Commander-Crowe	I know	09:08
Commander-Crowe	I liek the "I/O I/O, In and out all day we go I/O I/O I/O we do nothing but write write write I/O I/O..."	09:09
DarthLappy	Heh.	09:10
Commander-Crowe	it doesn'	09:10
Commander-Crowe	t	09:10
Commander-Crowe	go that way but	09:10
somerville32	hehe	09:11
Commander-Crowe	Stary Eye Sky	09:15
Commander-Crowe	Starry Eyed Surprise	09:15
Commander-Crowe	Dance all night to this DJ	09:16
Commander-Crowe	such a good song	09:16
Commander-Crowe	:/	09:17
somerville32	-offtopic please :)	09:19
Commander-Crowe	I was just letting people know that I'm here	09:19
somerville32	I don't think the people in -offtopic know yet ;]	09:21
Commander-Crowe	oh?	09:22
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crimsun	I think I was duly punished for using beryl	10:09
somerville32	lol	10:10
somerville32	How did that go over?	10:10
crimsun	I got a whole day's usage before the post-Herd-2 python and gnome bits started flowing and utterly broke everything	10:10
crimsun	on the other hand, it was very easy to switch my session back to Xfce	10:11
somerville32	Very cool	10:11
somerville32	Did it run fast enough?	10:11
somerville32	You have a crapier box then I do, IIRC	10:11
crimsun	it was pretty but very craptastic in terms of perf	10:12
somerville32	hehe	10:12
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ephemeros	hello	11:33
somerville32	Hi :)	11:34
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unikon	are widgets for mac and windows only	01:38
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TheSheep	unikon: what do you mean?	02:07
unikon	nevermind i found super karamba	02:08
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SGL	Ahoy!	02:09
SGL	My menu button does not respond	02:13
SGL	Can anyone help me with that?	02:13
TheSheep	SGL: does right-clicking on the desktop bring you menu?	02:14
SGL	No	02:14
SGL	It does not	02:14
TheSheep	ok, press alt+f2	02:14
SGL	done	02:14
TheSheep	in the window that appears type "Terminal" (note capital T)	02:14
TheSheep	press enter	02:14
TheSheep	a terminal window should appear	02:15
TheSheep	got it?	02:15
SGL	No window appears?	02:15
SGL	I already have a terminal	02:15
SGL	Everytime I boot up I get one	02:15
TheSheep	ok, then in that terminal, type:	02:15
TheSheep	cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfdesktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/xfdesktop/	02:15
TheSheep	then do an update and upgrade in synaptic, because you have an old and buggy vrsion of menu editor that deletes the menu file	02:16
SGL	I do not have xfdesktop	02:16
SGL	just /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop	02:17
TheSheep	SGL: sorry	02:17
SGL	Is that the same?	02:17
TheSheep	SGL: that's the one	02:17
SGL	No problem :)	02:17
TheSheep	cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/	02:17
SGL	great :)	02:17
SGL	Do you know this by heart or did you look it up?	02:17
TheSheep	SGL: it was the most common problem right after dapper realease	02:18
SGL	ahh ok :)	02:18
SGL	Hehehe	02:18
TheSheep	SGL: the menu editor was buggy	02:18
TheSheep	SGL: it's fixed in the repos, just do an update	02:19
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SGL	I did an update yesterday actually	02:19
=== Maximilian1st hi all.
SGL	sudo apt-get update gives 0 packages	02:19
SGL	and dist-upgrade also 0	02:19
TheSheep	SGL: weird, then it must be some unknown bug	02:20
SGL	Well wait, maybe the old menu editor did this, because I haven't used the desktop for a week	02:20
Maximilian1st	!herd2	02:20
SGL	I just ssh to it	02:20
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about herd2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	02:20
Maximilian1st	herd2	02:20
SGL	So maybe pre-update it already got screwed :)	02:20
SGL	Thanks for your help!	02:20
SGL	Now I can go back to my work ^_^	02:20
TheSheep	:)	02:20
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Jester45	if you use the fglrx driver you might want to upgrade because there is a new version	03:14
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Grey_Loki	Is there a 2D floor plan creator in any of the synaptic package universes?	03:34
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PuMpErNiCkLe	Grey_Loki: There are a bunch of CAD tools there - I don't use them, though, so I can't recommend any specific one.	03:51
Grey_Loki	Guess i'll just be lookin' then :P	03:51
Grey_Loki	Thanks :)	03:51
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Grey_Loki	Well, I found a rather nice web based app - i'm not that good at CAD, so something this simple is a godsent	04:28
Grey_Loki	http://www.gliffy.com/gliffy	04:28
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vidd_laptop	what is the default cd burner in xubuntu?	05:10
vidd_laptop	nvmd	05:10
vidd_laptop	ic it is xfburn	05:10
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vidd_laptop	wb b_52Free	05:21
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Tampler	I downloaded one gtk theme. How can I change default font color ?	05:43
vidd_laptop	sorry Tampler i have no idea	05:47
Tampler	Thanks, I will find something I think that I have to change something in metacity.xml :)	05:49
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b_52GM	vidd_laptop, thks	05:53
vidd_laptop	np	05:54
grazie	vidd_laptop: xfburn doesn't work. graveman is a good alternative I think	05:56
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HS^	pLease copy fedora's fonts.	05:59
vidd_laptop	HS^, ????	05:59
HS^	ubuntu fonts...well.. is bad compared with fedor	05:59
HS^	a	05:59
HS^	so please copy fedora fonts	05:59
HS^	to default	05:59
vidd_laptop	to default? no....	06:00
vidd_laptop	but you can always load them in your system and set your system to use them	06:01
HS^	yes please	06:01
HS^	why not default	06:01
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HS^	it is much better, the work of fedora on fonts is much better quality compared with ubuntu	06:01
vidd_laptop	because we are not fedora, so we dont use thier fonts by default	06:01
vidd_laptop	then install thewm and use them	06:02
HS^	thats a emotional argument you making	06:02
vidd_laptop	but dont try to push their fonts on ME	06:02
HS^	they are better..	06:02
vidd_laptop	IMO the fonts i have installed are fine	06:02
vidd_laptop	i can read them they work	06:02
vidd_laptop	you DONT like them, so change them	06:03
vidd_laptop	but dont make ME change because YOU dont like	06:03
vidd_laptop	this is NOT M$ here	06:03
HS^	i am the majority here	06:03
HS^	niot you	06:03
HS^	you have to do nothing to change them, only update xubuntu	06:04
HS^	i will make sure xubuntu addapts fedora font.	06:04
vidd_laptop	if you were the majority, then we would ALREADY have the fonts installed by default	06:04
vidd_laptop	i seem to see a flaw in your argument	06:04
HS^	no change comes only after someone points out the problem	06:04
HS^	and fonts are the biggest problem with ubuntu, everyone agrees with that	06:05
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b_52GM	any one got an interl card i915 ?	06:12
Commander-Crowe	yes	06:13
PuMpErNiCkLe	!anyone	06:13
ubotu	A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?	06:13
b_52GM	hm	06:13
Commander-Crowe	b_52GM, whatever your problem...you swhould download the driver first from synaptivs	06:13
b_52GM	Commander-Crowe, euh wich deb mirror ?	06:14
Commander-Crowe	hrm...	06:14
Commander-Crowe	just add them all haha	06:14
b_52GM	hm ok	06:14
PuMpErNiCkLe	The driver should be part of the base system.	06:14
Commander-Crowe	multiverse universe backport...ya now	06:14
b_52GM	so install it and restart the Xorg ?	06:15
Commander-Crowe	!915	06:15
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about 915 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	06:15
Commander-Crowe	!i915	06:15
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about i915 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	06:15
Commander-Crowe	hrm	06:15
Commander-Crowe	oh well	06:15
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Commander-Crowe	gotta go	06:15
b_52GM	Commander-Crowe, see yu and thks	06:15
PuMpErNiCkLe	!info xserver-xorg-video-i810	06:16
ubotu	xserver-xorg-video-i810: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 148 kB, installed size 392 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)	06:16
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hyper_ch	hiho	06:28
b_52GM	i have install the driver --> the i chaged manually the line in xorg.conf from "i810" to "i915" but when restarting xorg did have the ability to load the module	06:28
Commander-Crowe	b_52GM, your going to have to and it to modprobe	06:36
Commander-Crowe	thats what I did	06:36
Commander-Crowe	I just can't remember how	06:36
Commander-Crowe	:/	06:36
PuMpErNiCkLe	/etc/modules are loaded at boot.	06:37
PuMpErNiCkLe	`modprobe' can load modules anytime.	06:37
Commander-Crowe	or yeah....that might be it	06:38
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Commander-Crowe	but I actually think I used modprobe	06:38
Commander-Crowe	it might be better to use the other	06:38
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b_52GM	Commander-Crowe, PuMpErNiCkLe it didn't work	06:41
b_52GM	xorg didn't find the driver	06:41
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PuMpErNiCkLe	What did you install? What are you trying to load?	06:43
Jester45	b_52GM: what are you tring to do	06:44
b_52GM	Jester45, i was runing with a driver i810 and trying to install a i915 driver i have apt-hget the new driver	06:44
b_52GM	but restarting xorg , can not load the i915driver	06:44
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Jester45	driver for what did you change the driver in xorg.conf or is it even needed	06:45
b_52GM	i have an intel 915 integrated graphic card , the default installed driver was i810 driver ,, soo i have tried to change that	06:46
PuMpErNiCkLe	The i810 provides support for 9** chipsets.	06:46
b_52GM	PuMpErNiCkLe, yeah but i want to use the 915 driver :D	06:47
PuMpErNiCkLe	Aside from that, though, which package did you install, and what driver name did you write to xorg.conf?	06:47
Jester45	you might want to change that back	06:47
b_52GM	Xorg eat to much of memoru ...	06:47
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b_52GM	i have install 915resoilution and in xorg.cong , i have change "i810" to " i915"	06:47
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PuMpErNiCkLe	915resolution isn't a driver.	06:49
Jester45	does compiz work on fglrx ?	06:51
b_52GM	!!???	06:53
b_52GM	PuMpErNiCkLe, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332542&highlight=i915	06:53
PuMpErNiCkLe	Jester45: Compiz: yes, AIGLX: no.	06:54
Jester45	ok	06:54
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PuMpErNiCkLe	b_52GM: It's a tool to modify the resolution to certain non-supported modes. That's all.	06:55
b_52GM	errr	06:56
b_52GM	so i think i should keepp my i810 :(	06:56
b_52GM	PuMpErNiCkLe, how to know the maximum resulotion of my laptop , 915resolution -l ?	06:57
PuMpErNiCkLe	I'd just check the laptop's documentation.	06:59
b_52GM	hm ok	06:59
b_52GM	PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks ofr yur help	06:59
b_52GM	ofr/for	06:59
PuMpErNiCkLe	np	07:01
vidd_laptop	youhave to run graveman as sudo to get it to burn iso's?	07:03
Grey_Loki	So long as you (as a user) have access to the device, you shouldn't have to	07:12
vidd_laptop	hmmm.	07:12
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PuMpErNiCkLe	You can set that in users-admin.	07:16
vidd_laptop	feisty wont let me open user admin	07:16
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vidd_laptop	its going to be interesting to say the least	07:18
hyper_ch	hiho, when I do a ls -al, what does a "S" mean? -r-Sr--r-- 1 root root 19374 2007-01-13 19:20 /usr/lib/libvmdsp.so	07:24
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Spasticteapot	Anyone here actually talking about linux?	07:37
Jester45	yep	07:38
Spasticteapot	Hooray!	07:38
Jester45	thats what the channel is for	07:38
Spasticteapot	#linux is a madhouse.	07:38
Jester45	yep	07:39
Spasticteapot	I've got a simple networking question.	07:39
Spasticteapot	As a preamble, I'm the sysadmin of a small network.	07:39
Jester45	ok go ahead and ask	07:39
Spasticteapot	I have no experience as a sysadmin; while my ability to make crappy old hardware work is very good, I'm not so good with Unix or even Windows for that matter.	07:39
Spasticteapot	In other words :	07:39
Spasticteapot	"GOOD GOD, I'm SCREWED! Somebody help me!"	07:40
Spasticteapot	Anyway, I've got a wireless adapter that works very nicely under NDISwrapper.	07:40
Spasticteapot	However, Xubunutu lacks NDISwrapper.	07:40
Jester45	!ndiswrapper	07:40
ubotu	Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs	07:40
Jester45	that could help	07:40
Spasticteapot	I know how to use NDISwrapper - I just need to download it.	07:41
Spasticteapot	We've only got wi-fi here from the neighboring coffeeshop. (Sue us, we're a nonprofit.)	07:41
Spasticteapot	And we have permission.	07:41
Jester45	so your running xubuntu?	07:41
Spasticteapot	Anyway, I've got a Windows laptop.	07:41
Spasticteapot	Yep.	07:41
Jester45	!info ndiswrapper-common	07:42
ubotu	ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB	07:42
Spasticteapot	I want to get the Xubuntu machine to connect to the internet through my Windows laptop.	07:42
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Spasticteapot	They're all connected to a wired switch, and all of them have static IP addresses.	07:42
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Spasticteapot	192.168.0.x, with x being the number of the computer. (I've named them one, two, three, four, et cetera.)	07:43
Jester45	ok try the command "apt-get install ndiswrapper-common	07:43
Spasticteapot	I can't - I need to get it to connect through the laptop first.	07:43
Jester45	o yea	07:43
Jester45	sorry	07:43
Spasticteapot	I'm not even entirely sure of how to get Win-Dos to bridge the connections in XP - I'm used to Win98.	07:44
Spasticteapot	Sad, huh?	07:44
Spasticteapot	I've got the WinXP laptop next to me, and it's connected to the wi-fi connection.	07:44
Spasticteapot	So, what do I do?	07:45
Jester45	just a minute	07:45
Spasticteapot	Thanks much.	07:45
Jester45	what version of xubuntu	07:46
Jester45	drapper or edgy?	07:46
Spasticteapot	Edgy.	07:46
Jester45	k	07:46
Spasticteapot	I'm not entirely sure if you can comprehend how helpful you're being.	07:47
Spasticteapot	If you can make this work, you'll make a LOT of people very, very happy.	07:47
Grey_Loki	Spasticteapot, highlight the two connections you want to bridge, right click them, and select 'bridge connections'	07:48
Spasticteapot	Did that.	07:48
Spasticteapot	It says "little or no connectivity".	07:48
Spasticteapot	I set the IP address to 192.168.5.6 - it's open.	07:48
Spasticteapot	The xubuntu machine is 192.168.5.2	07:49
Grey_Loki	Windows' inbuilt networking has always been a bit dodgy	07:49
PuMpErNiCkLe	If all you need is ndiswrapper to get networking on the Xubuntu machine working, you can get that via http from archive.ubuntu.com and transfer it on disk.	07:50
Spasticteapot	A "BIT" dodgy?	07:50
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Spasticteapot	No good - I don't have any linux machines on the network.	07:50
Jester45	well to get the deb file you need to look online	07:50
PuMpErNiCkLe	You wouldn't need a linux machine to do that.	07:51
Spasticteapot	Oh...okay, then.	07:51
Jester45	off the web...	07:51
Spasticteapot	Can you help me get it installed? I've never been able to get .deb files to install under Ubuntu.	07:51
Spasticteapot	I know, I know...I suck.	07:51
Jester45	umm	07:52
Jester45	your double click them	07:52
Spasticteapot	Funny...that never worked for me.	07:52
Spasticteapot	Would the .tar.gz under the NDISwrapper downloads work?	07:52
Spasticteapot	I dunno if it has the .deb in it or not.	07:53
Jester45	ok i got the deb for you	07:53
Spasticteapot	Thanks.	07:54
Spasticteapot	Where is it?	07:54
Jester45	im trying ot send it with irc :)	07:54
Spasticteapot	Won't work.	07:54
Spasticteapot	mIRC is configured funny- I'm used to Xchat.	07:55
Spasticteapot	Send it to spasticteapot@gmail.com	07:55
Spasticteapot	Or just link me.	07:56
Spasticteapot	Is my wifi connection out again, or am I connected?	07:56
Jester45	i will email	07:56
PuMpErNiCkLe	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-common_1.18-1ubuntu2_all.deb <---- link	07:57
Spasticteapot	Thanks!	07:57
Jester45	aa	07:57
Jester45	i knew you would find it firest	07:57
Jester45	i couldnt find it there	07:57
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Spasticteapot	It's downloaded.	07:58
Spasticteapot	Gimmie a minute to install it..be back in a minute.	07:58
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PuMpErNiCkLe	I'm pretty sure you'll want the utils, too. Link: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.8_1.18-1ubuntu2_i386.deb	08:00
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walt73	Hello? Am I in the xubuntu IRC?	08:26
bur[n] er	yes	08:26
walt73	I've run Slackware for years, looking for something newer. I don't wan't/need gnome or kde, I'm extremely happy with fvwm2 and would like to keep using it. Is xubuntu a good place to start (instead of ubuntu?)	08:27
bur[n] er	walt73, sure	08:28
bur[n] er	walt73, or fluxbox based ubuntu	08:28
bur[n] er	i prefer xfce though	08:29
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walt73	I've used fvwm2 for 15+ years, I'm a dinosaur, I don't wan to change. If I download xubuntu, how do I turn off the default window manager and turn on fvwm2 (I did try the FAQs first)	08:31
bur[n] er	just apt-get install fvwm2 and logout... upon the gdm login screen, choose the fvwm session and log back in	08:32
TheSheep	walt73: just install it and choose it at the login screen -- it will ask if you want to save it as the defailt choice	08:32
bur[n] er	not hard	08:32
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walt73	remember I'm a Slackware dinosaur :-) Using apt-get would download/install fvwm2, but can I remove the default window manager (not that I have anything against, I just don't like stuff clutering up my system when I know I'm never going to use it)	08:35
bur[n] er	you could remove it... apt-get remove blah	08:35
bur[n] er	or start with the fluxbox based ubuntu cd and get fvwm from there	08:35
bur[n] er	http://fluxbuntu.org/ sudo apt-get install fvwm2 && sudo apt-get remove --purge fluxbox*	08:36
walt73	I'd like to start with the most appropriate distribution, whatever it is. Why would someone prefer flexbuntu over xubuntu for my situation (I don't have any preference, I'm just asking)	08:37
grazie	why not do a server install and add xubuntu-desktop?	08:37
grazie	or fvm2 package?	08:38
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esc	hallo everyone	08:38
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bur[n] er	walt73, no preferred way... just pick one and go :)	08:41
walt73	ok, i'll look at flux as well and pick one, thanks.	08:42
TheSheep	walt73: fluxbuntu is lighter than xfce -- if you have really weak hardware, it's preffered...	08:42
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grazie	isn't fluxbuntu still a bit flakey?	08:44
TheSheep	grazie: what do you mean?	08:44
esc	grazie, yes it was lat time i tried	08:44
esc	also fluxbox un xubuntu was a bit flakey last time i tried	08:45
grazie	not as polished as xubuntu	08:45
esc	all aaprx a month ago	08:45
esc	sup TheSheep !!	08:45
TheSheep	grazie: well, you'd expect some work when you have this old a box :)	08:45
esc	the interplay between OS and Window manager isn't as nicely setup by default	08:45
esc	:-)	08:46
esc	grazie, what kind of box is it?	08:46
grazie	not my box	08:46
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esc	well... i have two really low spec boxes and they both don't even have installed	08:47
esc	one of them only has a 800 meg hdd	08:47
esc	X installed that is	08:48
grazie	about to feisty a try on a ppc machine. anything i should read or be aware of?	08:50
grazie	s/to/to try/	08:50
grazie	s/to/to give/. ??????	08:51
esc	old sun sparc pizza box?	08:51
grazie	g4	08:51
esc	cool, i should be getting an old imac one of these days, but unfortunately i have no exp with ppcs yet	08:51
esc	:-(	08:52
grazie	well engineered boxes, although imac monitors a bit awkward i believe	08:53
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slow-motion	hallo	08:54
esc	yeah its all in the box, and i'm not too fond of single button mice (well, any mice at all for that matter :-)	08:54
grazie	mouse is easily replaced for a few quid	08:55
esc	i belive mice are really great for newcommers but they really impede on productivity for more advanced users and are prone to making folk lazy...	08:55
esc	only thing i use em for is browsig the web	08:56
grazie	tried using mouse jestures?	08:56
esc	ha, now theres an idea, and touchy screens too :-)	08:57
esc	i'm actually contemplating buying a wii remote and using that instead of my mouse :-)))	08:58
grazie	using lirc?	08:59
esc	time to revolutionise the way we interface with computers, ... the keyboard layout is such an antiquated anachronism, that has totally lost its relevance, it probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for habit	08:59
PuMpErNiCkLe	Or for the fact that it's the best productivity enhancement around...	09:00
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esc	indeed :-) just like democracy, its a crap for of government, but the best there is too date	09:00
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admin_	I'm wondering if a Xubuntu live cd will run on a machine with 128mb ram / 667mhz	09:01
cellofellow	it will run, but the installer wont	09:01
cellofellow	196 to run the installer	09:01
admin_	ouch	09:01
admin_	so if i wanted to install I would just use the alt cd?	09:02
admin_	And I could use it live with normal cd?	09:02
cellofellow	Yup	09:02
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cellofellow	Alt CD isn't bad. I'm installing with QEMU right now on another hdd.	09:02
Spasticteapot	hello?	09:02
cellofellow	Hi	09:02
Spasticteapot	Woot!	09:02
admin_	cellofellow: yeah , i've used alt cd on other machines, just wondering if it would work on there, thanks	09:03
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Spasticteapot	I'm having some trouble with NDISwrapper.	09:03
Spasticteapot	I got the package installer, opened it, clicked the "install package" button in the upper right, and it supposedly installed.	09:03
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Spasticteapot	However, NDISwrapper won't @#$#@$ run.	09:03
esc	Spasticteapot, are you working with an SMP kernel ??	09:04
Spasticteapot	I don't think so - I ran the default Xubuntu install.	09:05
cellofellow	smp == multicore	09:05
Spasticteapot	Heh, no - default CD, single CPU PIII 700.	09:05
esc	last time i tried, which is admitedly over a year ago, ndiswrapper wouldn't jive with smp kernel	09:05
esc	what the output of cat /prov/version??	09:05
cellofellow	proc	09:05
Spasticteapot	No such file.	09:06
esc	replace prov with proc	09:06
Spasticteapot	cat: /prov/version: No such file or directory.	09:06
esc	cat /proc/version	09:06
esc	my bad	09:06
Spasticteapot	SMP.	09:06
Spasticteapot	Oh, fark.	09:06
esc	hehe, nasty eh :-)	09:06
Grey_Loki	Fast Assist-Repair KBot	09:06
Grey_Loki	Total Annihilation FTW :P	09:07
PuMpErNiCkLe	Edgy has smp support built in to the default kernel.	09:07
Spasticteapot	Hello, Grey_Loki.	09:07
Spasticteapot	Well, I'm screwed.	09:07
Spasticteapot	So, what do I do now?	09:07
esc	what kind of wireless card is it, you can probabyl get a driver for that?	09:07
PuMpErNiCkLe	It also has support for ndiswrapper.	09:07
PuMpErNiCkLe	Most likely, you just need the utils.	09:07
esc	ah ok .	09:07
Spasticteapot	It's not linux-compatible - I've tried.	09:08
esc	so is it no longer the case that ndiswrapper is incompatible with SMP kernels?	09:08
Spasticteapot	Yep....says so.	09:08
Spasticteapot	No - needs utils.	09:08
Spasticteapot	http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy	09:08
esc	!wirelss	09:08
Spasticteapot	I just don't know exactly what they mean by that.	09:08
esc	!wireless	09:08
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about wirelss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	09:08
ubotu	Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs	09:08
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Grey_Loki	Woah	09:08
Grey_Loki	Did one of the servers just go down?	09:09
PuMpErNiCkLe	The utils are at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.8_1.18-1ubuntu2_i386.deb	09:09
Spasticteapot	I have the need-coffee-beforemaking-the-coffee-in-the-morning paradox.	09:09
Grey_Loki	Orwell	09:09
Spasticteapot	Bother it all.	09:09
Spasticteapot	One sec.	09:10
Spasticteapot	Okay, downloading - I'll move it via a flash drive.	09:10
Spasticteapot	What's the difference between ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils?	09:11
Spasticteapot	Yay - it works!	09:12
cellofellow	shouldn't there be a meta-package?	09:13
cellofellow	that calls both?	09:13
esc	brb, reboo into xubuntu	09:13
Spasticteapot	No idea.	09:13
Spasticteapot	Now that I should have this set up in a moment, can anyone reccomend a good wifi manager?	09:14
Spasticteapot	And how can I turn off processes, like PCMCIAmanager?	09:15
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cellofellow	hey maxamillion	09:17
maxamillion	hiya cellofellow	09:17
maxamillion	--->offtopic	09:18
cellofellow	k	09:18
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Spasticteapot	Why won't linux let me open a folder called LEXAR MEDIA?	09:18
Spasticteapot	It seems to be two words - I have no idea why.	09:19
Spasticteapot	Anyone?	09:19
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cellofellow	That's the label of your thumbdrive	09:19
cellofellow	is it mounted?	09:19
Spasticteapot	Yah, I know.	09:19
Spasticteapot	Yup.	09:19
Spasticteapot	ls says I have LEXAR MEDIA	09:19
Spasticteapot	It's dark blue - I think that means it's mounted.	09:19
cellofellow	type mount at the terminal	09:20
Spasticteapot	Light blue are the 2nd floppy drive (nonexistent) and CD-ROM drive (empty)	09:20
esc	light blue means symbolic link	09:20
esc	dark blue are directories	09:20
Spasticteapot	Oh.	09:20
esc	by default that is	09:20
cellofellow	what's mount say?	09:20
Spasticteapot	It seems to be /dev/sda1	09:20
cellofellow	so, you can't open the dir?	09:21
esc	whats the error message?	09:21
Spasticteapot	"directory nonexistent".	09:21
Spasticteapot	I hate stupid labels.	09:22
cellofellow	LEXAR\ MEDIA. escape the space with a \	09:22
cellofellow	you escape qoutes, returns, spaces, and other characters with special meenings with a backslash. \\ is \	09:22
Spasticteapot	Ah.	09:23
esc	although you should be able to type "cd LEX" and hit tab to autocomplete	09:23
cellofellow	yeah, that too.	09:23
cellofellow	I use tab all the time	09:23
cellofellow	works with apt=gat and aptitude too.	09:23
Spasticteapot	I have a folder called "Linksys Driver" on my desktop, now.	09:23
cellofellow	apt-get*	09:23
Spasticteapot	What does "cd LEX" do?	09:23
esc	yeah i use zsh, and give my tab key regular workouts :-)	09:24
cellofellow	nothing, cd LEX<tab> fills in the rest.	09:24
cellofellow	I'm fine with bash. :)	09:24
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esc	yeah most people seem to be okay with bash, i was too until i went to a talk about zsh	09:24
Spasticteapot	Ack...my head hurts.	09:24
xubuntu_user	what is the command to lock the screen in xubuntu?	09:24
cellofellow	umm....	09:25
cellofellow	one sec.	09:25
xubuntu_user	ok, thanks	09:25
Spasticteapot	OK, now I've got it.	09:25
Spasticteapot	Thanks!	09:25
esc	xubuntu_user, try "xscreensaver-command -lock"	09:25
cellofellow	xubuntu_user: There's a panel button I use for locking the screen.	09:25
xubuntu_user	yeah, i think thats it, i remember that, thanks	09:26
Spasticteapot	what's the trick for making Autocomplete work?	09:26
cellofellow	that's it, yeah. :)	09:26
cellofellow	Spasticteapot: single tab to fill in the rest of the filename, works with commands too. double tab to see a list of possible completes.	09:26
esc	autocomplete should be one by default in xubuntu/bash	09:27
esc	now you see in zsh, two tabs starts cycling through available commands :-)	09:27
esc	at least you can make it do that :-)	09:27
Spasticteapot	Thanks!	09:28
esc	Spasticteapot, pressing the up and down keys in a terminal, will cylcle through your command history,	09:28
cellofellow	if you do X<tab><tab> in bash, you get it asking if you want to see like 200 possiblities, which it calls more to let you scroll through	09:28
cellofellow	I love the history bit.	09:28
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esc	yes, always have ultra useful	09:29
esc	for the inherently lazy	09:29
cellofellow	and putting something like this: command `other -command` it'll put the output of the other command in the backticks into the command.	09:29
Spasticteapot	Just checking.	09:30
esc	also you can use the <tab> key in xchat to autocomplete nicknames :-)	09:30
cellofellow	in irssi too.	09:30
Spasticteapot	I applied NDISWRAPPER -i to my INF file.	09:30
esc	cellofellow, thats what i should be using i know :-)	09:30
Spasticteapot	And then NDISWRAPPER -m to write.	09:30
Spasticteapot	Is there something else I need to do?	09:30
esc	and preferably from within screen	09:30
Spasticteapot	Yay, it works!	09:31
esc	Spasticteapot, man ndiswrapper should tell you exactly how to do that :-)	09:31
Spasticteapot	I was just double-checking - I had it right, it appears.	09:31
Spasticteapot	How do I get to the configuration menu in XFCE?	09:31
cellofellow	Applications -> System Settings	09:32
Spasticteapot	Applications -> system -> networking shows that it's not there.	09:32
Spasticteapot	NDISwrapper -l says it is.	09:32
Spasticteapot	Anyone here?	09:34
Spasticteapot	I'm most perplexed.	09:34
cellofellow	I've no idea, as you know. :)	09:34
cellofellow	don't you need to use modprobe or mod-something to get NDISWrapper working?	09:36
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Spasticteapot	Dunno.	09:37
Spasticteapot	-m re-saves modprobe, and I did that.	09:37
Spasticteapot	I'm currently rebooting.	09:37
cellofellow	that might help.	09:37
esc	does anyone know how to reconnect to a running xchat session?	09:39
cellofellow	reconnect?	09:40
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esc	i dunno	09:42
esc	have it running on a machine, ssh to that machine maybe with -X forwarding	09:42
esc	and then bring up xchat on the local display	09:42
cellofellow	you can't disconnect an X process from the x server and have it keep running, even to reconnect elsewhere	09:43
cellofellow	using irssi is screen will do what you want though.	09:43
cellofellow	s/is/in	09:43
esc	fair enough	09:45
esc	thats what i thought	09:45
esc	i guess the same applies for a bittorrent client, and some sort of instant messaging thingy	09:46
cellofellow	yeah	09:46
cellofellow	centericq will work for IM	09:46
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esc	can i connect to the xserver though?	09:47
esc	for example via vnc or so?	09:48
esc	at the moment i do exactly that with nxserver	09:48
esc	but its a bit picky, cause i always need to login to the running nxseesion from the same machine	09:49
cellofellow	vnc will work. I thunk	09:49
cellofellow	think	09:49
Spasticteapot	Hello!	09:49
Spasticteapot	I'm back.	09:49
Spasticteapot	I've rebooted the machine, and the wifi card shows up, but now I can't get it to connect.	09:49
Spasticteapot	I entered the SSID and pressed "OK", but nothing's happened.	09:49
Spasticteapot	Should I download a wifi manager?	09:50
esc	and i don't want to have to login to one machine for a fresh nxsession, only to resume running nxsession on a differnt machine	09:50
esc	although that would work	09:50
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esc	funnily enough	09:50
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cellofellow	connection glitched	09:52
Spasticteapot	Hello?	09:53
Spasticteapot	Anyone here?	09:53
cellofellow	yeah...	09:54
Spasticteapot	Sorry.	09:54
Spasticteapot	I've got a wireless network, but it's unlocked.	09:54
Spasticteapot	What file do I want to edit to change my wifi information?	09:54
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=== Maximilian1st Hi folks.
cellofellow	hi	10:00
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MattCampbell	Are Xubuntu's default X settings (e.g. screen resolution and DPI) suitable for a 17-inch CRT?	10:18
PuMpErNiCkLe	There are no 'default' defaults - they'll be configured when it's installed.	10:20
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MattCampbell	OK, how does it determine these settings? It asked me no questions about monitor size or screen reoslution during installation.	10:21
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MattCampbell	Now my father (who I did the install for) is saying the font is a little too small, so I'm wondering how best to fix it.	10:21
PuMpErNiCkLe	You can change the default font settings in preferences -> fonts.	10:22
vidd_laptop	just go into the settings (desktop?) and pick a larger font	10:22
MattCampbell	OK, I was wondering if it would be better to change the reoslution or DPI instead of the default font size, since the installer may not have correctly guessed the optimal settings.	10:23
MattCampbell	Does it have a way of determining the monitor size?	10:23
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PuMpErNiCkLe	Usually yes; if you're using unusual hardware, it can fail.	10:25
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PuMpErNiCkLe	Since the only problem seems to be the font size, it has probably determined the correct dimensions.	10:26
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Spasticteapot	Hello?	10:29
esc	you can use xrandr to see what resolutions are available and xrandr -s # to set that resolution	10:29
esc	my dad for example has a monitor capable of 1280x1024 but wants it set to 1024x768 cause hes a bit on the old sinde	10:30
vidd_laptop	wave Spasticteapot	10:31
esc	MattCampbell, i guess optimal settings are in the eye of the user	10:31
MattCampbell	What's the easiest way to permanently lower the resolution?	10:32
MattCampbell	I presume by editing Xorg.conf.	10:32
Spasticteapot	Good gravy, I like the Xubuntu chatroom much better than #linux.	10:32
Spasticteapot	Too much whining, not enough Linux	10:32
cellofellow	MattCampbell: yeah	10:33
somerville32	:)	10:33
MattCampbell	Also, does vino work well with Xfce?	10:33
vidd_laptop	!vino	10:34
ubotu	vino: VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 173 kB, installed size 1956 kB	10:34
Spasticteapot	I'm trying to get my wifi card to work in Xubuntu - it won't.	10:34
Spasticteapot	I'm connecting to an unlocked access point with a wifi card under NDISwrapper.	10:34
esc	Spasticteapot, have u used iwconfig to bring up the interface?	10:35
vidd_laptop	Spasticteapot, set yourself up with a static ip	10:35
esc	vidd_laptop, is there a better way to enter ip and dns information rather than editing /etc/network/interfaces?	10:36
Spasticteapot	I set iwconfig with wlan0	10:36
vidd_laptop	the network interface	10:36
cellofellow	you can use the GUI util if you want	10:36
vidd_laptop	there is a gui in app system	10:37
Spasticteapot	Gui, schmui.	10:37
esc	aha, ok	10:37
Spasticteapot	I'm a newbie, and want to learn the command line first.	10:37
Spasticteapot	(I've heard this is the best way to go.)	10:37
Spasticteapot	sudo dhcpcd wlan0 just hangs the system.	10:37
Spasticteapot	Or at least the terminal.	10:37
vidd_laptop	the Iron Madien is over there------------->	10:37
esc	grml has a ncurses based utility called grml-network to this via menu from the command line	10:37
esc	you can use iwconfig up wlan0 to bring up the interface (i think)	10:38
vidd_laptop	Spasticteapot, you need to set yourself a STATIC ip	10:38
Spasticteapot	Why?	10:38
Spasticteapot	The access point uses DHCP.	10:38
esc	vidd_laptop, unless you use dhcp	10:38
esc	or are provided with it	10:38
vidd_laptop	that is fine....but you need to announce yourself	10:38
cellofellow	DHCP has a range of addresses, like 2-50. If you choose an address out of that range, then it'll work.	10:39
Spasticteapot	Ack.	10:39
Spasticteapot	This makes no sense - the access point uses DHCP.	10:39
Spasticteapot	I'm confused!	10:39
esc	you can also configure dhcp to assign you an address based on your MAC,	10:39
vidd_laptop	it uses dhcp, and static	10:39
cellofellow	that makes no difference. The access point itself has a static IP.	10:40
Spasticteapot	It does?	10:40
esc	it should do	10:40
Spasticteapot	I don't know what it is - I just know the SSID.	10:40
Spasticteapot	I'm stealing wifi from a coffeeshop. (Yes, I have permission.)	10:40
cellofellow	My routers have static, and my server. Everything else is DHCP, controlled by the server.	10:40
Maximilian1st	Hi all.	10:40
esc	for example my router is at 192.168.0.1, and my ap at 192.168.0.2	10:40
esc	the ap uses the dhcp on the router to assign clients IP addys	10:41
cellofellow	my DHCP range is 192.168.0.4-192.168.0.20	10:41
Spasticteapot	Let me repeat:	10:41
vidd_laptop	can you "see" the wifi when you scan?	10:41
Spasticteapot	How do I scan?	10:41
Spasticteapot	I just know that it's there from my laptop.	10:41
cellofellow	so I can set a static IP of 192.168.0.21 and it'll work.	10:41
Maximilian1st	I just have a quick question. Should I remove the Xfce packages before installing the svn version of Xfce?	10:41
cellofellow	yes, unless you install it in a different place and give them all different hames.	10:42
esc	cellofellow, do you assign IPs bassed on the MAC, getting the IP from your dns?	10:42
cellofellow	names	10:42
Spasticteapot	I'm now totally confused.	10:42
Spasticteapot	Oh, well...I'll figure it out later.	10:42
Maximilian1st	cellofellow, thank you.	10:42
esc	Spasticteapot, take it easy :)	10:42
vidd_laptop	Spasticteapot, give me a sec	10:42
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Spasticteapot	Is there a wifi scanner you can reccomend?	10:42
Maximilian1st	Spasticteapot, Wifi-radar	10:43
cellofellow	esc: the server detects MAC, sets a preset IP to the MAC, and a preset DNS to the IP. All the same program, same line in the conf file.	10:43
Maximilian1st	Connection-manager.	10:43
vidd_laptop	Spasticteapot, what you get when you iwconfig	10:43
Maximilian1st	Spasticteapot, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299462 This is definitely a promising app.	10:44
esc	right so thats dyn-dns where your dhcpd assigns IP and updates bind	10:44
esc	?? or something	10:44
cellofellow	esc: I use dnsmasq	10:44
cellofellow	esc: on debian sarge	10:44
vidd_laptop	If all devices listed say "no wireless extensions." then your wireless card is not configured.	10:44
esc	is that better than bind9	10:45
esc	?	10:45
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cellofellow	esc: easier for me. I just have a small network and wanted more control over IP addresses than the router offered.	10:46
esc	yeah totally :-)	10:46
cellofellow	esc: and I wanted DNS. If I had no Win98 systems I'd have done ZeroConf for that, but normal DNS works too.	10:46
esc	cool, i just had that oreilly book about ZeroConf in my hand and almost bought it, but i got linux server hacks volume 2 instead :-)	10:47
esc	when i first set up DNS i just used bind9	10:47
esc	didn't really know about anything else	10:48
cellofellow	I asked about in the linuxquestions.org forums and they suggested dnsmasq	10:48
Maximilian1st	Hey maxamillion :-)	10:48
esc	cellofellow, do you still use your router as gateway, or have you got squid setup?	10:49
cellofellow	esc: router as NAT gateway. I don't need a proxy. My server is just a Pentium w/32MB RAM.	10:49
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cellofellow	esc: and another router with no firewall and the wireless AP turned on that acts as a switch	10:50
esc	Pentium eh :-)	10:51
cellofellow	155Mhz.	10:52
cellofellow	166, oops	10:52
esc	i use an Athlon XP 3000 512 meg, with 250 gigs or harddrive space as my central dns server, samba file server, bittorent machine, and soon to be nfs server and thin-client server..	10:53
cellofellow	sweet stuff. I wish I could do all that.	10:53
esc	oh and of course i use that also for any resource intensive stuff like complining latex thesis, or kernels and what-not	10:54
cellofellow	my desktop is a PIII Katmai 450Mhz with 319MB RAM and about 80GB total storage.	10:54
cellofellow	yeah, that's nice to have too.	10:55
esc	i bought that when i was getting high on acid, and decided that i needed another machine, and just blew a load on my credit card... yuck	10:55
esc	was fun at the time, but ended up paying up for it long-time ...errr,.	10:55
esc	not so cool :-(	10:55
esc	but the machine is nice :-)	10:56
somerville32	:)	10:56
cellofellow	somerville32: the feisty alt ISO is on its way. Hope this doesn't take TOO long. wget says 6 hours left.	10:57
cellofellow	6 1/2	10:57
somerville32	hehe	10:57
esc	i mean i spent about 6 months diggeling around with my home network in my flat of 6 people and then got a job a sysadmin in a primary school	11:00
Maximilian1st	cellofellow, what is the reason I need to uninstall first or install in another place with other names? Is it that synaptic could delete my newly compiled version?	11:01
cellofellow	it'll just conflict. Maybe synaptic/apt would remove the new files, not sure. Try installing in /usr/local instead of /usr and it should take precedence over the default one in /usr without needing to uninstall. But only the new one will be accessable and the old one will just take up space.	11:03
cellofellow	well, it'll be accessable with full paths	11:03
Maximilian1st	cellofellow, I see.	11:03
cellofellow	like /usr/bin/xfce4-session instead of just xfce4-session	11:03
Maximilian1st	so the /usr/local has precedence?	11:04
cellofellow	yeah	11:04
Maximilian1st	ok, thx	11:04
cellofellow	/, then /usr, then /usr/local	11:04
Maximilian1st	I did it wrong :-p	11:04
Maximilian1st	I installed my svn version just straight over the packages from xubuntu.	11:05
Maximilian1st	:-/	11:05
cellofellow	/ for system level, /usr for most apps, and /usr/local for local apps (in thin-client nets) and non-packaged apps on desktops.	11:05
cellofellow	Maximilian1st: then reinstall and try again. There should be a way of setting the prefix in the configure script or makefile.	11:06
cellofellow	reinstall xfce from repos. apt-get reinstall etc...	11:06
cellofellow	or just live without the old one.	11:06
Maximilian1st	And what happens if I uninstall the packages now that I installed SVN over it, will synaptic make the difference?	11:07
cellofellow	it won't notice that the files you installed from source aren't from the package and will remove them.	11:08
Maximilian1st	cellofellow, I won't uninstall the svn version first because I have no idea how to do and second because thunar now manages my SD/MMC cards!	11:08
Maximilian1st	cellofellow, This sounds very scary.	11:08
cellofellow	well, just leave well enough alone, and use apt to "hold" xfce at the current version so you don't get upgrade problems.	11:09
Maximilian1st	The other way out would be to uninstall package by package and installing the respective svn versions right behind.	11:10
Maximilian1st	A bit of a clumsy way of doing but that is the price to pay for doing without knowing.	11:10
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cellofellow	yeah, it'd been better to be sure that make installed in /usr/local	11:11
Maximilian1st	I did it in the beginning of this year, was just wondering now...	11:14
cellofellow	well, if nothing's broken then just tell apt to hold XFCE.	11:15
Maximilian1st	It works like before.	11:17
cellofellow	you could totally remove all GUI and reinsatll xubuntu-desktop	11:17
cellofellow	well, it doesn't matter	11:18
cellofellow	unless you want the official version back.	11:18
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Maximilian1st	Takes too much time to set everything up from scratch.	11:19
Maximilian1st	By the way you seem to understand quite much about the wireless behaviour of Xubuntu. Do you know if I could change resolv.conf by hand and mark it read-only so the system stops changing me my DNS everytime?	11:21
crimsun	resolvconf doesn't work?	11:21
cellofellow	well, the trouble with installing files over eathother like that is that sometimes filenames aren't exactly the same, so things don't match up, and you'll still have some of xubuntu xfce laying about, and some of svn xfce laying about if you uninstall xfce.	11:21
cellofellow	Maximilian1st: set the permissions I suppose. change the group or something.	11:22
Maximilian1st	seems like a problem between my access point and router... But I want to fix it to a certain DNS anyway.	11:22
cellofellow	set it to either a manually set up dns server, or to your isp's dns server.	11:22
Maximilian1st	cellofellow, I tried the permissions way but no luck	11:23
cellofellow	router and ap dns forwarders don't work too well.	11:23
crimsun	so, again. Does resolvconf not work?	11:23
Maximilian1st	crimsun, like cellofellow wrote the problem could lie between the ap and router.	11:24
cellofellow	josh@josh-desktop:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf	11:24
cellofellow	domain local	11:24
cellofellow	nameserver 192.168.0.3	11:24
cellofellow	that's my resolve.conf file	11:24
Maximilian1st	I had to change it after my wireless card connected to the ap	11:24
Maximilian1st	because it takes the routers ip address as DNS	11:25
cellofellow	192.168.0.3 is my manually set up server which gets it's data it needs from the ISP server, not throught the routers forwarder.	11:25
crimsun	I'm answering your question regarding whether it's possible to "mark it read-only so the system stops changing me my DNS everytime"	11:25
crimsun	the package name is called resolvconf	11:25
cellofellow	!info resolveconf	11:26
ubotu	Package resolveconf does not exist in any distro I know	11:26
cellofellow	!info resolvconf	11:26
ubotu	resolvconf: nameserver information handler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 58 kB, installed size 312 kB	11:26
Maximilian1st	resolv.conf here	11:27
Maximilian1st	When there is no wifi-radar ro whatever app to connect used, what is the daemon that looks for wireless configuration in xubuntu? wpa.supplicant?	11:28
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Steggy	Does anyone know if it's possible to add new categories/subcategories in the system menu? For instance, I want to organize my Games category into Emulators, Strategy, Arcade, etc. Simply adding the category to the "Categories" line of a programs .desktop file (found in /usr/share/applications/) doesn't accomplish anything.	11:39
Jester45	yes its possible	11:39
cellofellow	I don't know about sub-categories, but categories yes.	11:39
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Steggy	How do you do add categories, then?	11:40
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Jester45	go to the menu then settings then menu editor	11:41
cellofellow	edit the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications. Edit with Mousepad. Each file has a different categories section.	11:41
Jester45	cellofellow: ok i was just looking in my apt sources.list because when i update i have to dl 56 little files and i think some are the same so in my list i have deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe and deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports restricted main multiverse universe would the 2nd restricted main multiverse and universe be the same or diffrent	11:44
Steggy	That's what I've been trying to do. Unfortunately, if I try to add my own category, it simply puts the launcher in the "Other" category on the menu	11:44
cellofellow	oh?	11:44
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Jester45	cellofellow: could they be subcatagories like the backsports ->main and proposed ->main	11:45
cellofellow	backports has main, resricted, etc. I think	11:46
Jester45	Steggy: use the menu editor	11:46
Jester45	cellofellow: so they are diffrent	11:46
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cellofellow	yeah, the normal categories apply to backports, security, updates, plain edgy, proposed too I'm sure.	11:47
Jester45	ok	11:47
Steggy	Jester45: The menu editor doesn't help at all--it simply has ---include--- system. The menu can't be edited. I'm wondering about added new categories to that system menu. I know I can completely make my own menu, but I was hoping to be able to use the system menu since programs would automatically be added to that when I install them.	11:48
Jester45	Steggy: have your tried pressing the + button?	11:48
esc	get this right, machine will boot neither off hdd nor cdrom, switch ide interfaces round, boots fine, switch ides back, boots fine too ,, wtf???	11:50
Jester45	they wouldnt be auto sorted into your menu they would go the default then you could move them	11:50
Jester45	esc: maybe you didnt have them in all the way or backwards?	11:51
esc	nope i quadrupple checked that to begin with ...	11:51
esc	probably some biod bug	11:52
esc	bios	11:52
Jester45	i thought bios where made good so they dont get bugs	11:52
esc	its an old dell optiplex	11:52
Jester45	because its a bit hard to patch bios than software	11:52
PuMpErNiCkLe	bahaha	11:52
esc	well, you can just flash the bios	11:53
PuMpErNiCkLe	Non-buggy BIOSes... I wish.	11:53
esc	and biod is software, and all software has bugs	11:53
esc	bios	11:53
Jester45	yes but somethings are a little more looked at	11:53
Jester45	]	11:53
esc	at least in motherboards that aren't pre 19whatever	11:53
Jester45	!info xserver-xgl	11:54
ubotu	xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB	11:54
esc	indeed, the bios will probably boot fine with default settings, but then you try something very esoteric and it may just hang up on you	11:54
Jester45	i dont want that	11:54
esc	emphasize "it may"	11:55
cellofellow	I think my BIOS prefers to boot from the first HDD it finds.	11:55
esc	i've not had many probs with BIOSes in my lifetime, in fact only a handful ever, but they do exist	11:57
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cellofellow	what kernel does Feisty include? Is it 2.6.20? Cause I need the usbvision driver and that driver is in that kernel.	12:01
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cellofellow	!feisty	12:04
ubotu	The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1	12:04
crimsun	cellofellow: we will ship with 2.6.20	12:08
cellofellow	yes!	12:09
cellofellow	what is it now? in the herds? 2.6.20rcSomething?	12:10
crimsun	herd-2 shipped with 2.6.20-rc4 + patches	12:11
Maximilian1st	crimsun, I come back on what you wrote to me about the resolv.conf problem I have here. Yes, resolv.conf does work indeed.	12:11
cellofellow	OK> I'm gonna test Herd 2 so I'll try the usbvision driver with my iREZ USB Live!	12:11
crimsun	I wasn't asking about resolv.conf.	12:11
crimsun	I was asking about resolvconf.	12:12
crimsun	Very significant difference.	12:12
cellofellow	!info resolvconf \| Maximilian1st	12:12
ubotu	resolvconf: nameserver information handler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 58 kB, installed size 312 kB	12:12
Maximilian1st	<crimsun> so, again. Does resolvconf not work?	12:12
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Maximilian1st	merde	12:13
Maximilian1st	I see.	12:13
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Jester45	in my xorg.cong i have 2 "Device" sections one has identifier "my card" driver "ati" busid "theid" the other section has the fglrx driver and 2 options videooverlay on and opengloverlay off whats the diffrence are they both needed whats the options is one faster?	12:14
Maximilian1st	!info resolvconf \| Maximilian1st	12:14
ubotu	resolvconf: nameserver information handler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 58 kB, installed size 312 kB	12:14
cellofellow	!bot	12:14
ubotu	I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots	12:14
cellofellow	wrong one	12:15
cellofellow	!botabuse	12:15
ubotu	Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...	12:15
Jester45	lol	12:15
Jester45	your making it do 2 times more work	12:15
Maximilian1st	Am I supposed to get some message here?	12:15
cellofellow	just don't overuse the ! stuff	12:16
Maximilian1st	ok	12:16
Jester45	anyone here know how to get a composite manger on an ati card? could you give some help or pointers becuase im so lost with all this xgl beryl this driver that driver	12:17
Jester45	!suff	12:17
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about suff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	12:17
Jester45	cellofellow: it doesnt work :)	12:17
Jester45	i couldnt resist i haver urges	12:18
cellofellow	Jester45: AIGLX won't work. It only works with nVidia at present I think. XGL should work though.	12:18
Maximilian1st	and intel	12:18
Jester45	o and what about hte default xfce one?	12:18
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cellofellow	oh, that one's ok. A little buggy, kwin does better. No effects besides transparency.	12:19
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Jester45	cellofellow: you seem to know that stuff pretty good would you like t walk me though this im very confused normaly i can pull stuff together but i dont understand all this stuff its reall confusing me	12:20
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cellofellow	well, I tried XGL once upon a time. used the wiki. It didn't work for me and my old PC.	12:21
Jester45	to slow?	12:21
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Jester45	bye	12:21
FifaFrazer	Hey, I've just started using lyX... How can i remove the auto-generated date below the title? I've found a faq that tolds me to write some code in the preamble, but what is the preamble?	12:21
cellofellow	Yeah	12:21
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cellofellow	lyX	12:22
cellofellow	dunno what that is.	12:22
Jester45	o what about having hte windows bend and stuff	12:22
Jester45	thats what i want hte most	12:22
Jester45	to bend the windows	12:22
cellofellow	Jester45: Beryl or Compiz. xfwm4 only does accelerated transparency.	12:22
mr_	@FifaFazer: The preambel is the head of a laytex document, which lyx is based upon	12:22
Jester45	ok	12:22
cellofellow	!xgl > Jester45	12:23
Jester45	beryl is the 3d cube desktop thing right?	12:23
crimsun	beryl is a community-based fork from compiz	12:23
crimsun	so, yes, "the 3d cube desktop thing"	12:24
Jester45	dang im so confused	12:24
Jester45	o ok	12:24
mr_	anyone could help me installing my pcmcia lan card?! It worked on damn small linux, but not under xubuntu?!	12:24
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FifaFrazer	mr_, how can I edit it?	12:26
bradley_	hello! does anyone know how to downgrade a kernel? my music playback went all wonky after i upgraded. i accidently had the 'proposed upgrade' repository active.	12:26

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