[12:27] <tftb> hello, newbie question about xfce shadows and such.. can anyone help?
[12:28] <TheSheep> !ask
[12:28] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:28] <tftb> :)
[12:29] <tftb> yeah, I'm trying to get the window manager to make my windows shadowy and all, but can't seem to get it working
[12:29] <tftb> I just installed xubuntu 6.10 on top of Ubuntu, which was a bit too slow for this old laptop I'm using
[12:30] <tftb> so I edited the etc/X11/xorg.conf -file, and put the composite enabled device there, but nothing happens
[12:31] <tftb> any help would be appreciated
[12:31] <tftb> if you can't understand what I'm saying, I'd be glad to clarify
[12:33] <TheSheep> tftb: you still don't have the 'compositor' tab in the window manager tweaks?
[12:33] <tftb> yeah, that's it
[12:34] <tftb> nothing there, no compositor
[12:35] <tftb> Am I correct in assuming that Xubuntu is supposed to have the composite manager by default? just by installing xubuntu-desktop from ubuntu?
[12:35] <TheSheep> ok, go to your ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/
[12:35] <g333k_work> TheSheep, the receptop is zenity
[12:36] <TheSheep> tftb: and edit wmtweaks.xml
[12:36] <TheSheep> tftb: enable the compositor there
[12:36] <TheSheep> tftb: it should appear in the wm tweaks then
[12:36] <TheSheep> g333k_work: I don't understand?
[12:38] <tftb> TheSheep: I'm sorry, I don't know how to cd myself to a directory that has a dot in it.. I can't see it when I ls
[12:39] <TheSheep> tftb: enable 'show hidden files' in the menu
[12:39] <TheSheep> tftb: or in the open diologue, right-click on the file list and enable it there
[12:43] <tftb> TheSheep: I don't seem to have a file called wmtweaks.xml in the directory
[12:43] <TheSheep> tftb: ah, then run settings->window manager tweaks, and change some option
[12:43] <TheSheep> tftb: the file will be created
[12:44] <tftb> TheSheep: right you were! :)
[12:46] <tftb> TheSheep: is it the "UseCompositing" switch? It has type="int" and value="0"
[12:47] <TheSheep> tftb: ues
[12:47] <TheSheep> yes
[12:48] <tftb> TheSheep: I changed it to "1". And now I'm guessing I have to reboot for it to take effect?
[12:49] <TheSheep> tftb: no
[12:49] <TheSheep> just close the wm tweaks and open again
[12:50] <tftb> TheSheep: So the compositor-tab should be visible now? It's not :(
[12:51] <TheSheep> weird
[12:51] <TheSheep> maybe it saved the xml file when you were closing it
[12:51] <tftb> sorry, didn't understand?
[12:52] <somerville32> tftb: Check to make sure it changed
[12:52] <tftb> yeah, it's zero again! weird!
[12:52] <TheSheep> tftb: the wm tweaks must have saved it before you exited it
[12:55] <tftb> hmh. weird. now it IS "1" but still  can't get the tab
[12:56] <TheSheep> tftb: you do have compositing enabled in xorg?
[12:58] <tftb> yeah... I wrote Section "Extensions" (enter)  Option "Composite" "Enabled" (enter)  EndSection
[01:06] <tftb> I'm gonna try if logging out helps.
[01:07] <TheSheep> I doubt it...
[01:09] <tftb> TheSheep: Hooray! Thanks a lot! It worked
[01:10] <tftb> I'm so happy :) It's prrrrretty :)
[01:13] <somerville32> I agree :)
[01:15] <TheSheep> unbelievable
[01:17] <somerville32> What? :)
[01:17] <TheSheep> it should have worked without a login :/
[01:17] <TheSheep> otoh, a restart of xfwm4 might be required...
[01:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> To enable compositing?  Yeah.
[01:22] <TheSheep> have you got this bug in xfwm4+gimp where your whole interface freezes if you brush a lot too quickly?
[01:23] <somerville32> I saw a bug on launchpad
[01:23] <TheSheep> I reported it almost a year ago :(
[01:23] <TheSheep> and even explained what couses it
[01:23] <TheSheep> causes
[01:23] <somerville32> What causes it?
[01:24] <somerville32> Bug #61424
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61424 in xfwm4 "After painting several fast strokes in gimp, whole desktop freezes, not reacting to any clicks for several seconds." [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61424
[01:24] <TheSheep> somerville32: gimp feeds the icon updates to the xfwm4, so that the icon on the title bar is up-to-date
[01:24] <TheSheep> somerville32: oh, fix released?
[01:25] <TheSheep> ah, it's not in feisty yet :(
[01:25] <TheSheep> thanks!
[01:28] <somerville32> np
[01:42] <Jester45> how can i cheack my cpu speed
[01:43] <Jester45> and im working on raising the FSB and i need to know if this will change AS THE CPU SPEED CHANGES
[01:43] <somerville32> cat /etc/cpuinfo ?
[01:43] <somerville32> errr...
[01:43] <somerville32> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:50] <MagicFab> from graphic interface or command line ?
[01:50] <MagicFab> Jester45, ^^
[01:52] <MagicFab> sorry
[01:52] <MagicFab> was out
[01:52] <MagicFab> what is FSB ?
[01:54] <ApexMB> hi guys
[01:54] <somerville32> Hi :)
[01:55] <ApexMB> just trying to get xubuntu on an old lappy but it seems to fail mounting the root at the install
[01:55] <ApexMB> keeps saying it cant write to the disk
[01:56] <somerville32> Oh boy : (
[01:56] <MagicFab> mhh
[01:56] <ApexMB> it did have a dodgy fisys on it
[01:56] <Jester45> ok i have many questions but first, i got my usb working :0 it was somthing with the port on my mobo so i get a new usb pci card and all is good
[01:56] <somerville32> ApexMB, Are you using the desktop or alternative cd?
[01:56] <somerville32> Jester45, Thats good to hear :)
[01:56] <ApexMB> one 2gig fat16, 1 2gb allocation of free space and 16gb btfs
[01:56] <ApexMB> so i wiped the hd completely blank
[01:57] <ApexMB> and im running memtest
[01:57] <ApexMB> and somerville32 its the desktop x86 disc
[01:57] <Jester45> second thing is on my mobo i have many pins with jumpers on them and one set is out in hte middle of no where not by the pci not the harddrive or the cpu it just there
[01:57] <somerville32> ApexMB, So, how big is the disc all together?
[01:57] <ApexMB> almost 700mb
[01:57] <ApexMB> 685mb
[01:58] <Jester45> i tried switching them hoping for a FSB upgrade for my cpu but i couldnt tell wuth just boot time so does anyone know how to check my cpu speed like the real speed of processing?
[01:58] <somerville32> ApexMB: I mean your hard drive ;] 
[01:58] <ApexMB> oh
[01:58] <ApexMB> 20gig
[01:58] <somerville32> Jester45, That could easily kill your system
[01:59] <somerville32> Jester45, And we don't provide support for overclocking due to associated risks
[01:59] <Jester45> somerville32: or speed it up it just depends on the way to look at it
[01:59] <somerville32> ApexMB: So you're already tried to install it and it didn't work? What partition did you try to install it to?
[02:00] <ApexMB> well its just on the launcher
[02:00] <Jester45> somerville32: well i dont want suport for overcoaking exactly becuase i dont know what the pins do but im just trying ot get somthing for linux hat tell me my real cpu speed i will try the pin switching on my own
[02:00] <ApexMB> it eventually gets passed launcher
[02:00] <somerville32> Jester45: /proc/cpuinfo contains the info
[02:00] <ApexMB> but hangs up on the devicee driver check/preinstall
[02:00] <Jester45> somerville32: if you want to pm me some ideas as to remove the "we" from it
[02:00] <somerville32> ApexMB: Try using the alternative ISO
[02:00] <Jester45> somerville32: so that will change is the speed changed
[02:01] <somerville32> Jester4: I believe so, yes.
[02:01] <ApexMB> whats the difference?
[02:01] <somerville32> ApexMB: text-based installer, more mature, etc. etc.
[02:01] <ApexMB> its running memtest right now
[02:01] <somerville32> ApexMB: Ok, try again
[02:01] <Jester45> ApexMB: how much RAAM do you have
[02:01] <somerville32> ApexMB: If it doesn't work, try alternative ISO
[02:01] <ApexMB>  i didnt see wether it used the launcher or not
[02:01] <ApexMB> 192mb
[02:01] <Jester45> RAM*
[02:01] <Jester45> ok i would use the alt install
[02:01] <somerville32> ApexMB: What version of Xubuntu?
[02:01] <ApexMB> ya 192mb
[02:01] <Jester45> it would be faster
[02:02] <ApexMB> x86 desktop
[02:02] <somerville32> No, what version of Xubuntu
[02:02] <somerville32> lol
[02:02] <Jester45> becuase with texted based you dont load up as many things
[02:02] <Jester45> ApexMB: drapper or edgy?
[02:02] <somerville32> 6.06 Dapper? 6.10 Edgy?
[02:02] <ApexMB> dapper
[02:03] <somerville32> ApexMB: 6.06 or 6.06.1?
[02:03] <ApexMB> 6.06.1
[02:04] <somerville32> ApexMB: There are some bugs with the live dkestop installer in that release. Just tell it to whip your entire drive and automatically setup partitions and you should be fine.
[02:04] <ApexMB> yeah i think it was just the real dodgy partitioning too
[02:04] <somerville32> Most likely :)
[02:04] <Jester45> somerville32: could you use a firewire storage device to use as swap?
[02:04] <ApexMB> i thought the gui installer flashed up  before getting to memtest
[02:05] <somerville32> Jester45: I'm sure you could
[02:05] <ApexMB> if it did then that part is solved
[02:06] <Jester45> somerville32: o fun im gonna try that and maybe a usb :)
[02:06] <Commander-Crowe> in fstab what do I put for reiserfs
[02:06] <Jester45> reiserfs
[02:06] <Jester45> or maybe auto
[02:06] <ApexMB> if this doesnt work should i try alternate 6.10?
[02:06] <Jester45> auto is a nice thing
[02:06] <somerville32> ApexMB, Sure :)
[02:06] <Jester45> if you wantg
[02:07] <somerville32> ApexMB, Wait a sec.
[02:07] <somerville32> ApexMB, Do you have some spare time to waste? :)
[02:07] <ApexMB> 10mb broadband ftw ;)
[02:07] <Jester45> ok well im going ot brb after i switch some pins
[02:07] <ApexMB> sure somerville32
[02:07] <Commander-Crowe> niether auto or reiserfs work
[02:08] <somerville32> ApexMB, We are testing our Alpha for the next release of Xubuntu.
[02:08] <somerville32> ApexMB, Maybe you help test them out? :)
[02:08] <ApexMB> sure =D
[02:08] <somerville32> !testing | ApexMB
[02:08] <ubotu> ApexMB: For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
[02:08] <ApexMB> as long as it downloads quick :P
[02:08] <somerville32> hehe
[02:09] <ApexMB> ok well we'll see where this install goes, if its still being a butt, then ill try the alpha
[02:09] <somerville32> aight
[02:10] <somerville32> Thanks :)
[02:10] <ApexMB> the whole idea of the linux test is to sort of experience things i havent done yet
[02:10] <ApexMB> im having to learn it for work
[02:10] <somerville32> Its really simple to test our ISOs
[02:10] <somerville32> You just download, burn, and try to install
[02:10] <somerville32> post-install, there is a list of tasks to try and complete
[02:11] <somerville32> ie. Open a file in the text editor
[02:11] <ApexMB> ok
[02:11] <ApexMB> sounds pretty cool
[02:13] <Jester45> ApexMB: if you have a pretty good computer you can run linux inside of windows so you dont have to burn but... you cant install from that but it might help you pick what type of linux
[02:15] <ApexMB> i dont really think theres much difference for consumer-prosumer distros
[02:16] <somerville32> Its the small stuff
[02:16] <somerville32> It all looks the same
[02:16] <somerville32> but under the hood there are lots of differences
[02:16] <ApexMB> heh
[02:16] <ApexMB> i guess
[02:17] <ApexMB> youd have thought by now someone wouldve broken off and made the gui something way different
[02:19] <somerville32> There are a few L[
[02:19] <somerville32> But people don't like change
[02:19] <somerville32> hehe
[02:20] <ApexMB> hehe
[02:20] <ApexMB> whats that full 3d thing?
[02:20] <ApexMB> x-something
[02:21] <Jester45> i droped my cpy down by .02 mhz
[02:21] <Jester45> so slow :)
[02:21] <maxamillion> not bad
[02:21] <Jester45> brb again
[02:22] <somerville32> Jester45 is trying to overclock his cpu
[02:22] <maxamillion> overclock? ... why?
[02:22] <ApexMB> XGL!
[02:22] <ApexMB> thats it
[02:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I hope he read some documentation first.
[02:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Otherwise, I give him an 80% chance of bricking his computer.
[02:23] <maxamillion> i hope he frags it to learn a lesson
[02:23] <maxamillion> ApexMB: you don't need an overclocked cpu for xgl ... just aiglx and a compatible vid card and the updated drivers
[02:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> maxamillion: That works too. ^^
[02:24] <ApexMB> oh i wouldnt be able to do it on this POS laptop
[02:24] <ApexMB> lol
[02:24] <maxamillion> i don't like software emulation of 3d effects ... it just bothers me that my cpu is wasting cycles on things that aren't necessary
[02:27] <somerville32> maxamillion, My cpu is never wasting cycles
[02:27] <ApexMB> :P
[02:27] <ApexMB> 400mhz
[02:27] <somerville32> OoOoo :)
[02:27] <ApexMB> P2
[02:28] <ApexMB> designed for Windows 98
[02:28] <somerville32> Mine too
[02:28] <somerville32> :] 
[02:29] <somerville32> err..
[02:29] <Pirate-King> hey somerville32
[02:29] <somerville32> Designed for Xubuntu! :)
[02:29] <somerville32> Heya Pirate-King : )
[02:29] <ApexMB> i heard that fedora 7 is going to intro a low level distro like xubuntu
[02:29] <maxamillion> JKnife runs beryl on an AMD K6-2 350Mhz w/ 192mb of ram because he uses an AIGLX compatible graphics card and the updated drivers ... says he only suffers an average of about 12mb more ram usage too
[02:29] <ApexMB> sort of divide itself into specofic areas like ubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu
[02:30] <Jester45> somerville32: i squezzed out 305.6more mhz so it was worth it
[02:30] <somerville32> Wow!
[02:30] <somerville32> Jester45: Make sure you got good cooling!
[02:30] <somerville32> Do you have a cpu heat monitor?
[02:30] <maxamillion> ApexMB: please re-word yourself ... xubuntu is not a "low level distro"
[02:30] <somerville32> lol
[02:30] <Jester45> somerville32: yes ... my hand
[02:30] <somerville32> + ;] 
[02:30] <somerville32> Jester45: CPUs are always hot
[02:30] <ApexMB> i meant a distro designed to work with low end machines and thin clients
[02:30] <Jester45> low usage distro
[02:31] <somerville32> lol
[02:31] <Jester45> a.k.a. low wastage distro
[02:31] <ApexMB> still very new to this
[02:32] <ApexMB> literally started on wed on a training course
[02:32] <Pirate-King> wonder why I would have trouble with x server
[02:32] <Jester45> ApexMB: try Damn Small Linux its pretty cool
[02:32] <Pirate-King> on an old machine
[02:33] <somerville32> Pirate-King, What do you have? :)
[02:33] <somerville32> ApexMB, Stick with Xubuntu. Xubuntu rocks :)
[02:33] <ApexMB> well i had a little play with ubuntu a long time ago so i thought id try this first
[02:33] <Jester45> somerville32: how much is "good cooling" i got 4 fans that seems to work
[02:33] <ApexMB> i ran it as the main os on sisters laptop
[02:33] <somerville32> Jester45: Check the cpu temp
[02:33] <ApexMB> never had to reformat it again
[02:34] <somerville32> :)
[02:34] <Jester45> somerville32: not to hot
[02:34] <Jester45> somerville32: my hand isnt burning so its all good
[02:34] <maxamillion> ApexMB: i run xubuntu on an Athlon64 3200+ w/ 1gb of ram at home and an Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb of ram on my workstation in my office .... xubuntu is about choice and efficiency .... but yes, it is "more suited" for a low end machine then ubuntu or kubuntu, but that isn't its purpose
[02:34] <ApexMB> sister likes to wander onto sites with downloadable toolbars and silly icons and the like
[02:34] <somerville32> ApexMB, I hear yeah
[02:35] <ApexMB> soon as ubuntu was on with firefox and flash, boom
[02:35] <ApexMB> all solved
[02:35] <Jester45>  /me uses add block only see ads once then block the whole add site
[02:35] <somerville32> Jester45: So you use... Windows? :P
[02:35] <Jester45> humm
[02:35] <Jester45> sometimes
[02:36] <ApexMB> linux install and muse playing... geek heaven :P
[02:36] <ApexMB> i use windows
[02:36] <ApexMB> on main machine
[02:36] <ApexMB> video editor
[02:36] <ApexMB> whole Avid/Adobe setup
[02:36] <ApexMB> i also run Mac OS X
[02:36] <ApexMB> for main work
[02:37] <ApexMB> on a mac, obviously :P
[02:37] <ApexMB> no hackintosh here
[02:37] <Jester45> hackintosh? running mac os on a pc?
[02:38] <ApexMB> yes
[02:38] <ApexMB> i tried it, it worked out terribly
[02:38] <ApexMB> doesnt feel like a mac
[02:38] <maxamillion> ApexMB: wait ... did you post on the forums about dual booting hackintosh?
[02:38] <ApexMB> preferences and permissions are alllll over the place
[02:39] <ApexMB> no
[02:39] <ApexMB> at least i dont think so
[02:39] <Jester45> i want a 180mm fan
[02:39] <maxamillion> oh .. ok, because someone posted and it had like 110 views but no replies, so i replied :)
[02:39] <Jester45> lol
[02:39] <ApexMB> link
[02:39] <ApexMB> ?
[02:39] <maxamillion> ApexMB: lemme go search for it ...
[02:39] <ApexMB> and can i quit memtest at any time or do i need to waif for it
[02:40] <magic_ninja> what up all
[02:40] <Jester45> somerville32: can you fill a case with thermal paste? as a colling system and remove all fans
[02:40] <maxamillion> ApexMB: i was wrong ... only ~70 views ... but still ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=334959&highlight=hackintosh
[02:40] <ApexMB> ... Jester45
[02:40] <somerville32> Jester45: Hell no.
[02:40] <ApexMB> no
[02:41] <somerville32> Jester45: Thermal paste doesn't cool it down :P
[02:41] <Jester45> why not it sounds good to me
[02:41] <Jester45> are you sure
[02:41] <somerville32> Yes.
[02:41] <Jester45> why put it on processors
[02:42] <ApexMB> improve connectivity
[02:42] <ApexMB> or thermal connectivity
[02:42] <Jester45> between what
[02:42] <ApexMB> cpu and heatsink
[02:42] <ApexMB> too much thermal paste can burn out the cpu
[02:42] <Jester45> like as in transfer heat faster? as in transfer heat from inside ther case to outside
[02:43] <ApexMB> its meant as a thin stopgap so theres no gaps inbetween the 2
[02:43] <maxamillion> Jester45: these are things you should have thought about before overclocking your cpu
[02:43] <ApexMB> nah this is hanging at the "mounting root file system" again
[02:43] <Jester45> im not worried about coolage
[02:43] <ApexMB> hdc: drive not ready for command
[02:43] <magic_ninja> any of you use the new nvidia driver
[02:44] <maxamillion> Jester45: you're not worried about cooling your cpu after you just overclocked it?
[02:44] <Jester45> i got a psu fan a fan on cpu heatsink and fan on the gpu heatsink and a intake fane
[02:44] <Jester45> maxamillion: nope
[02:44] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: yeah, i use the new 9xxx nvidia driver at work, what's up?
[02:44] <maxamillion> Jester45: glhf
[02:44] <magic_ninja> Jester45: lol man
[02:44] <Jester45> tanks for the gl and i will always hf
[02:45] <magic_ninja> maxamillion: having a few probs getting it installed....isn't the nvidia driver on backports?
[02:45] <Jester45> i will cool itsself :0
[02:45] <ApexMB> lol
[02:45] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: don't think so, i had to add in a third party repository i found on the wiki.beryl-project.com site
[02:45] <Jester45> it can only get so hot
[02:45] <magic_ninja> ohh, ok, i know what ur talking about
[02:45] <ApexMB> ive had PJ64 running Zelda minimised for 5 days
[02:46] <ApexMB> that video is a classic
[02:46] <darrend> magic_ninja: try this.. http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[02:46] <Jester45> i wanna see
[02:46] <ApexMB> and the one where they fry eggs on it
[02:47] <ApexMB> it might be the same video
[02:47] <Jester45> how muc more is 1ghz to 1.3 like 30% right
[02:47] <ApexMB> yes
[02:47] <Jester45> might overheat i will turn it dowen a bit then
[02:48] <Jester45> all the pins whre on the low side i switched them all to max
[02:48] <ApexMB> im really surprised at the core 2 duo e6600
[02:48] <ApexMB> you can overclock it to over 60-80% on stock cooling
[02:48] <Jester45> cool
[02:48] <ApexMB> still runs in the safe
[02:49] <ApexMB> those things are damn near perfect
[02:49] <Jester45> my cooling system is perfect for fans
[02:49] <Jester45> its use each other nicly
[02:50] <Jester45> nicely
[02:50] <maxamillion> Jester45: http://www.tomshardware.com/site/videos/thg_videos-01.html .... enjoy :)
[02:51] <Jester45> i will
[02:51] <Jester45> hummm
[02:51] <maxamillion> ApexMB: yeah ... i'm faithful to amd but i can't lie ... intel is kicking hind parts and taking names right now
[02:51] <Jester45> any guess on how many computers i have messed up in my life time?
[02:52] <maxamillion> Jester45: huh?
[02:54] <ApexMB> maxamillion, im getting an error "hdc: drive not ready for command" on the boot, trying to look at the forums but theres only answers like switching the master and slave, but scince im on a laptop, i cant do that
[02:54] <ApexMB> any ideas?
[02:54] <Tox> what is default file browser in xubuntu ? i mean in kubuntu konqueror in ubuntu nautilus, xubuntu - ?
[02:55] <Jester45> notes*
[02:55] <Jester45> of what you said
[02:55] <TheSheep> Tox: Thunar
[02:55] <Jester45> im guessing its video 1 right?
[02:55] <Tox> tnx!
[02:56] <Tox> just one question ... is it better than konqueror ?
[02:56] <TheSheep> Tox: of course!
[02:56] <TheSheep> Tox: we would be using kde otherwise
[02:56] <Jester45> well... its in xubuntu so yes its better
[02:56] <Tox> why if not a secret ? :) sorry ..
[02:57] <TheSheep> Tox: it's fast, has nice and simple interface, does exactly what we need
[02:57] <Jester45> its xubuntuish
[02:57] <TheSheep> Tox: and doesn't use any additional kde or gnome libs
[02:57] <maxamillion> Jester45: i think each of those videos has something light on fire ... don't remember though
[02:58] <maxamillion> Jester45: no ... yeah, i think its 1
[02:58] <Tox> i need only to see all files how to say in ms windows (forgive me father :) ) view ..
[02:59] <maxamillion> Tox: what?
[02:59] <Tox> i mean i nned detailed view, preview and other good stuf in file browser
[03:00] <somerville32> Tox: Right
[03:00] <somerville32> You can do that :)
[03:00] <Tox> konq and nautilus dont have it i mean like in ms win explorer view
[03:00] <somerville32> Tox: All three do
[03:00] <Tox> something like that
[03:00] <ApexMB> right
[03:01] <somerville32> Tox: They all support icon and list view
[03:01] <ApexMB> 6.10 text install seems to be ok
[03:01] <Tox> side panel and file view ?
[03:01] <ApexMB> maybe a bug in 6.06
[03:01] <somerville32> Tox: Konq has a context menu, yes.
[03:02] <magic_ninja> hmmm
[03:03] <ApexMB> hmm
[03:03] <Tox> ok i'd try thunar .. thx
[03:03] <ApexMB> the installers stalled
[03:03] <maxamillion> ApexMB: alternate cd?
[03:03] <ApexMB> yes
[03:03] <maxamillion> ApexMB: 85%?
[03:03] <ApexMB> just after the cd drive detection
[03:04] <ApexMB> no its not even got to the install yet
[03:04] <maxamillion> oh ... nvm, not the bug i was thinking of
[03:04] <ApexMB> asked for keyboard select
[03:04] <ApexMB> then it searched for cdrom
[03:04] <ApexMB> now its stalled
[03:05] <darrend> is there a cron expression for "3rd last day of the month" ?
[03:05] <somerville32> Whats a 3rd last day? lol
[03:06] <Jester45> 3rd to the last day
[03:06] <somerville32> Isn't there only one last day of a month in a month? lol
[03:06] <darrend> like 2 days b4 the last day
[03:06] <ApexMB> its not liking this cdrom module
[03:06] <Jester45> as in 3 days b4 the laft
[03:06] <Jester45> close
[03:06] <ApexMB> like, really throwing a hissy fit at it
[03:06] <Jester45> dude those cpus where cookin
[03:07] <Jester45> 360 thats a bit hot
[03:07] <somerville32> told ya
[03:07] <darrend> can it be done?
[03:07] <Jester45> owned it
[03:07] <somerville32> darrend, I imagine
[03:07] <ApexMB> GAH
[03:07] <ApexMB> it kicked in
[03:08] <ApexMB> this cdrom doesnt contain a release file
[03:08] <ApexMB> i think it timed out detecting my cdrom module
[03:09] <Jester45> look at http://www.tomshardware.com/cgi-bin/downloads.m?id=32 thats what i was talking about
[03:09] <Jester45> ooo vidd is here
[03:10] <vidd_laptop> hello to you too Jester45
[03:11] <Jester45> im to far away to hear you
[03:11] <ApexMB> what in the craps name
[03:11] <ApexMB> thats really strange
[03:11] <Jester45> ??
[03:11] <somerville32> :)
[03:11] <vidd_laptop>  somerville32 already there
[03:11] <Jester45> weeeee im flying
[03:11] <ApexMB> it fails to read from the cd first time around and then second time it checks, it finnds it perfectly
[03:12] <somerville32> ApexMB: Sounds like your hardware is flaky
[03:12] <ApexMB> its doing an integrity check
[03:13] <ApexMB> after the integrity check will it go onto the install or dump me back at the menu?
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> back to menu ApexMB
[03:14] <ApexMB> ok
[03:14] <ApexMB> hmm
[03:14] <ApexMB> will the installer trry the disc twice if it cant do it first time?
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> nope...one and done
[03:15] <ApexMB> that seems to be the problem
[03:15] <ApexMB> its not finding the cdrom first time
[03:15] <ApexMB> but second time.. fine
[03:15] <TheSheep> ApexMB: there is the minicd that downloads most everythign from the repositories...
[03:16] <TheSheep> ApexMB: the cd itself ony contains the installer, all the rest is downloaded
[03:16] <Jester45> no
[03:16] <Jester45> o
[03:16] <Jester45> wait
[03:17] <ApexMB> i just dont get why it works second time around
[03:17] <magic_ninja>  Type 'http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit' is not known on line 27 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:18] <magic_ninja> trying to add that repo
[03:18] <ApexMB> unfortunately this has no net access atm
[03:18] <ApexMB> the lapto
[03:18] <ApexMB> p
[03:19] <ApexMB> see whats confusing e is it just demonstrated the ability to read from the disc
[03:19] <ApexMB> it passed integrity
[03:20] <ApexMB> why cant it do that first time
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> it hates you?
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> acually...ive had that issue myself on occation
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> usually, i find the disk is scratched or not seated right in the drive
[03:22] <ApexMB> hmm
[03:22] <ApexMB> the disc is freshlu burned
[03:22] <TheSheep> or dirty/scratched lens of the drive
[03:23] <magic_ninja> even worse
[03:23] <magic_ninja> duster
[03:23] <ApexMB> how comes it aways works second time
[03:23] <ApexMB> that makes no sense
[03:23] <magic_ninja> because every time a cdrom crashes an angel gets its wings
[03:23] <ApexMB> its done it twice in a row now
[03:24] <magic_ninja> ApexMB: i had the same problem
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, then ive created an army of angles!
[03:24] <maxamillion> and everytime windows crashed a demon defeats an angel .... anyone notice how currupt the world is becomming at such an alarming rate? ..... coincidence? i think not!
[03:24] <magic_ninja> ApexMB: for serious, jus get a new cdrom drive, find a used one for 5 or 10 bucks, everyone has that old pentium III layin around
[03:24] <maxamillion> crashes*
[03:24] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: lolz
[03:25] <magic_ninja> yay, i made a tree joke
[03:25] <TheSheep> maxamillion: every time someone boots linux, the God bluescreens one windows
[03:25] <magic_ninja> grr this driver repo gonna anger mean
[03:25] <ApexMB> thing is its a laptop
[03:25] <magic_ninja> lol
[03:25] <magic_ninja> thats so funny
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, good thing i made that army of angles
[03:25] <ApexMB> and i think ive worked around it
[03:25] <RememberPOL> Will one, in the future, be able to seamlessly upgrade from Eft to Fawn?
[03:25] <magic_ninja> i command the demon's of satan
[03:25] <TheSheep> ---> offtopic
[03:26] <magic_ninja> lol
[03:26] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: ;)
[03:26] <ApexMB> launch the setup in expert mode, and run a disc integrity check, and as soon as it burns out the failure, go ahead and install and it should read fine
[03:26] <ApexMB> i say that and it stalled again though
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> RememberPOL, in THEORY
[03:27] <ApexMB> its gotten further than it has before mind you
[03:27] <ApexMB> its asked me for a hostname
[03:28] <RememberPOL> vidd_laptop: I try not to stray far from mainstream default + 3rd party apps available in the repository... the only custom thing I really have is latest nvidia/xorg drivers + beryl.
[03:28] <magic_ninja> ApexMB: find a 10 dollar 52x regular cdrom drive and buy it, if your poor like me it does the trick
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, he is on a lappy
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> those cost like 40
[03:29] <magic_ninja> yea i know
[03:29] <magic_ninja> find a crackhead and give him 15 bucks....
[03:29] <Jester45> lol
[03:29] <Jester45> or crack
[03:29] <Jester45> or sugar
[03:29] <magic_ninja> na, the latter will get ya door kicked in
[03:29] <ApexMB> it seems to be working
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> find the RIGHT crack head and he'll get you a new lappy for a decent sized rock
[03:29] <ApexMB> i just needed to burn out that first detection error
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> lol
[03:30] <ApexMB> i hhope
[03:30] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: how you think i got a decent laptop and nice 10"s for 50 bucks :-)
[03:31] <vidd_laptop> just dont give up
[03:31] <ApexMB> 2-30am and im not sleeping until this either a) installs or b) fails
[03:31] <magic_ninja> fiend friends
[03:31] <magic_ninja> apex try using an alternate cd
[03:31] <ApexMB> i am
[03:31] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, i need this 72"plasma monitor.....
[03:31] <ApexMB> alternative 6.10
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> ApexMB, or c) you collapse in a heap on the floor?
[03:32] <ApexMB> that too
[03:32] <ApexMB> seems to be trundling along now
[03:32] <ApexMB> installing the base system
[03:32] <ApexMB> so that workaround seems to have worked
[03:33] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: nerd
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> as long as you have the base system, you can apt-get the rest if it fails
[03:33] <magic_ninja> anyway....i was wondering, what is beryl
[03:33] <magic_ninja> in non technical terms
[03:33] <ApexMB> ah first time i saw apt-get i was like... wow
[03:33] <ApexMB> :P
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, no, really....i need it...for ummm research....
[03:34] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: its a pretty desktop thingy
[03:34] <magic_ninja> stats of games vs with regular 17 inch
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, beryl is compu-caine
[03:34] <magic_ninja> i'm using an old school regular vga 17 inch monitor
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> eye candy
[03:34] <magic_ninja> it sucks by today's standards but in the day
[03:34] <magic_ninja> ohhh
[03:34] <magic_ninja> don't care about it
[03:34] <magic_ninja> i like a simple running desktop mostly
[03:35] <ApexMB> heh
[03:35] <vidd_laptop> put that in 800x600 and you can see it from 20 feet
[03:35] <Jester45> becuase its a tv but
[03:35] <ApexMB> i have an abundance of cables
[03:36] <ApexMB> i work in the av market
[03:36] <Jester45> its in
[03:36] <Jester45> 2480x1200
[03:36] <Jester45> i think
[03:36] <ApexMB> were scheduled to get one of the samsung 106inch plasmas in to have a look at sometime this week
[03:36] <ApexMB> or next rather
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, i'd need to be 2 feet avay or closer to read that resolution
[03:37] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: larger fonts :)
[03:37] <Jester45> its a pain chaning moniters
[03:38] <TheSheep> Jester45: set your dpi correctly :)
[03:38] <Jester45> gota change xorg first then all the fonts are big
[03:40] <Jester45> its not half blind
[03:41] <TheSheep> Jester45: what would you do if you were blind?
[03:41] <TheSheep> um, sorry, --> offtopic
[03:42] <Jester45> shoot myself
[03:43] <ApexMB> seems to be going ok
[03:43] <ApexMB> thanks for the help guys
[03:43] <ApexMB> im sure ill be back
[04:01] <magic_ninja> man i updated to new versions for edgy nvidia graphic card driver and x wouldn't start
[04:01] <magic_ninja> back on old ones
[04:08] <magic_ninja> where can i get a set of faster repos...the normal ones are just going like 20 kbps
[04:08] <somerville32> magic_ninja: There are tons of mirrors
[04:09] <magic_ninja> do you have one handy?
[04:12] <somerville32> lol
[04:12] <somerville32> You do
[04:12] <somerville32> magic_ninja: Applications > System > Software Sources
[04:34] <irvin> hey
[04:47] <magic_ninja> man i got a problem...i updated to the beta drivers and i think i need to reconfigure xorg or such but not sure (i'm in text right now)
[04:52] <magic_ninja> hey guys i got a problem with the nvidia graphics drive...i updated it but the nvidia graphics driver for x gives me a "(EE): device not found" when i run startx
[04:54] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: how did you update it?
[04:54] <magic_ninja> via the repo listed on a website...let me get the url
[04:55] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: then you need also the module for your kernel
[04:55] <magic_ninja> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beta_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29
[04:56] <magic_ninja>     * The upgrade should update your linux-restricted-modules & linux-restricted-modules-common packages.
[04:59] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: you mean nvidia kernel common?
[05:18] <Jester45> bye bye all
[06:08] <JonTec__> can anyone tell me why I can't set my essid with iwconfig
[06:24] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[06:33] <Pirate-king> hello
[06:33] <Pirate-king> tring to ge sound card to work
[06:33] <somerville32> :)
[06:33] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[06:33] <Commander-Crowe> tell on
[06:33] <Pirate-king> it is a isa sound card
[06:34] <Pirate-king> I do a aplay -l
[06:34] <Pirate-king> doesn't show up
[06:34] <somerville32> ISA cards aren't well supported by Alsa
[06:34] <somerville32> Pirate-king, Ask crimsun - he knows best.
[06:34] <Pirate-king> that's not good
[06:35] <Pirate-king> crissum you here?
[06:36] <Pirate-king> crimsun you here?
[06:36] <Commander-Crowe> ISA?
[06:36] <Commander-Crowe> old school
[06:36] <Pirate-king> yeah
[06:36] <Pirate-king> yeah
[06:39] <crimsun> Pirate-king: what do you need?
[06:40] <Pirate-king> tring to get a isa sound card to work
[06:40] <Pirate-king> know any good how too's
[06:40] <crimsun> which isa card is it?
[06:40] <Pirate-king> don't know
[06:40] <Pirate-king> have to pull it out to see
[06:40] <Pirate-king> bbiab
[07:06] <fish> who
[07:10] <somerville32> Indeed
[07:22] <crazy_bus> What is the bulk rename tool called that comes with Xubuntu?
[07:23] <somerville32> Thunar Bulk Renamer :)
[07:29] <crazy_bus> thanks
[07:39] <LORDgarth> I am dual-booting a tower, with both Windows and GRUB on the first active partition, and xubuntu on the second.  I re-installed Windows, and doing this removed GRUB.  I need a way to re-install GRUB, preferably without going through the whole setup process and re-installing xubuntu.
[07:43] <somerville32> !grub | LORDgarth
[07:43] <ubotu> LORDgarth: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:45] <LORDgarth> Thank you... I feel stupid now. :)
[07:45] <somerville32> No problem :)
[07:45] <somerville32> And thank you for using Xubuntu! :)
[07:48] <fish> You are not allowed to access the system configuration.
[07:48] <fish> what's wrong
[07:48] <somerville32> fish: This is a known bug.
[07:48] <fish> Thank u!:)
[07:48] <somerville32> fish: It should be fixed shortly.
[07:49] <somerville32> fish: Just run the programs with gksudo
[07:49] <fish> OK!i ll
[07:56] <LORDgarth> By the way, should I be worried that fdisk thinks the partition that supposedly contains windows does not have a valid partition table?
[07:56] <somerville32> LORDgarth: Can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
[07:56] <somerville32> !pastebin > LORDgarth
[07:58] <LORDgarth> Sry, never mind; for whatever reason, the gpartd sees the drive fine... I guess it's OK.
[07:59] <somerville32> LORDgarth: Are you getting the error at boot?
[08:00] <LORDgarth> No, I called " fdisk /dev/sda ", and fdisk complained there was no valid partition table, and listed no partitions.
[08:01] <somerville32> oh, hehe
[08:01] <LORDgarth> But, when I looked at it in gpartd, it showed up fine, so I don't even know if there's actually a problem or not.  I'm choosing to go with not. :)
[08:05] <LORDgarth> OK, yet another problem (sorry, sorry): the grub console claims it can't read the partition where I have /boot/ (sdb1, formatted jfs).
[08:08] <somerville32> hehe
[08:08] <somerville32> Just use ext3
[08:08] <LORDgarth> I'd rather not re-install, if I can help it.
[08:08] <somerville32> You don't need to
[08:08] <LORDgarth> Oh, how so?
[08:08] <somerville32> Just delete the /boot/ partition and recreate it as ext3
[08:09] <LORDgarth> Oh, I didn't create a separate boot partition; it's in my root partition, which is jfs.
[08:09] <somerville32> Ah
[08:09] <somerville32> Why did you pick jfs?
[08:09] <LORDgarth> I find it a little odd that this wasn't a problem before.
[08:09] <LORDgarth> I'd never used it before, and wanted to give it a try.
[08:10] <LORDgarth> I usually use ext3 and reiser.
[08:10] <somerville32> ext3 is the most stable
[08:10] <LORDgarth> Yeah, but stable is boring.  It works, and stuff.
[08:11] <somerville32> lol
[08:11] <LORDgarth> Unstable is so much more fun; I get to be up at 2:00 am, trying to get my machine to boot.
[08:11] <somerville32> file systems are pretty boring
[08:11] <somerville32> ;] 
[08:12] <LORDgarth> Heh, not right now, regretably.  If I may ask, though, why hasn't this incompatability shown up before?  I've been using GRUB with this set-up for a while.
[08:14] <somerville32> LORDgarth: I'm not sure if it is incompatible.
[08:14] <LORDgarth> It doesn't appear to be sure whether it's incompatible.
[08:16] <LORDgarth> Hmm.
[08:17] <LORDgarth> I chrooted into my pre-existing xubuntu installation and ran grub-install from there; it seems to think it worked.  I'm going to go try to boot it.  Thanks for your help, somerville.
[08:17] <somerville32> np :)
[08:58] <Commander-Crowe> wb
[08:58] <somerville32> :)
[09:07] <Commander-Crowe> there's no place like ~
[09:08] <DarthLappy> Commander-Crowe: Boo...So old.
[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> I know
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> I liek the "I/O I/O, In and out all day we go I/O I/O I/O we do nothing but write write write I/O I/O..."
[09:10] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[09:10] <Commander-Crowe> it doesn'
[09:10] <Commander-Crowe> t
[09:10] <Commander-Crowe> go that way but
[09:11] <somerville32> hehe
[09:15] <Commander-Crowe> Stary Eye Sky
[09:15] <Commander-Crowe> Starry Eyed Surprise
[09:16] <Commander-Crowe> Dance all night to this DJ
[09:16] <Commander-Crowe> such a good song
[09:17] <Commander-Crowe> :/
[09:19] <somerville32> -offtopic please :)
[09:19] <Commander-Crowe> I was just letting people know that I'm here
[09:21] <somerville32> I don't think the people in -offtopic know yet ;] 
[09:22] <Commander-Crowe> oh?
[10:09] <crimsun> I think I was duly punished for using beryl
[10:10] <somerville32> lol
[10:10] <somerville32> How did that go over?
[10:10] <crimsun> I got a whole day's usage before the post-Herd-2 python and gnome bits started flowing and utterly broke everything
[10:11] <crimsun> on the other hand, it was very easy to switch my session back to Xfce
[10:11] <somerville32> Very cool
[10:11] <somerville32> Did it run fast enough?
[10:11] <somerville32> You have a crapier box then I do, IIRC
[10:12] <crimsun> it was pretty but very craptastic in terms of perf
[10:12] <somerville32> hehe
[11:33] <ephemeros> hello
[11:34] <somerville32> Hi :)
[01:38] <unikon> are widgets for mac and windows only
[02:07] <TheSheep> unikon: what do you mean?
[02:08] <unikon>  nevermind i found super karamba
[02:09] <SGL> Ahoy!
[02:13] <SGL> My menu button does not respond
[02:13] <SGL> Can anyone help me with that?
[02:14] <TheSheep> SGL: does right-clicking on the desktop bring you menu?
[02:14] <SGL> No
[02:14] <SGL> It does not
[02:14] <TheSheep> ok, press alt+f2
[02:14] <SGL> done
[02:14] <TheSheep> in the window that appears type "Terminal" (note capital T)
[02:14] <TheSheep> press enter
[02:15] <TheSheep> a terminal window should appear
[02:15] <TheSheep> got it?
[02:15] <SGL> No window appears?
[02:15] <SGL> I already have a terminal
[02:15] <SGL> Everytime I boot up I get one
[02:15] <TheSheep> ok, then in that terminal, type:
[02:15] <TheSheep> cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfdesktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/xfdesktop/
[02:16] <TheSheep> then do an update and upgrade in synaptic, because you have an old and buggy vrsion of menu editor that deletes the menu file
[02:16] <SGL> I do not have xfdesktop
[02:17] <SGL> just /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop
[02:17] <TheSheep> SGL: sorry
[02:17] <SGL> Is that the same?
[02:17] <TheSheep> SGL: that's the one
[02:17] <SGL> No problem :)
[02:17] <TheSheep> cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/
[02:17] <SGL> great :)
[02:17] <SGL> Do you know this by heart or did you look it up?
[02:18] <TheSheep> SGL: it was the most common problem right after dapper realease
[02:18] <SGL> ahh ok :)
[02:18] <SGL> Hehehe
[02:18] <TheSheep> SGL: the menu editor was buggy
[02:19] <TheSheep> SGL: it's fixed in the repos, just do an update
[02:19] <SGL> I did an update yesterday actually
[02:19] <SGL> sudo apt-get update gives 0 packages
[02:19] <SGL> and dist-upgrade also 0
[02:20] <TheSheep> SGL: weird, then it must be some unknown bug
[02:20] <SGL> Well wait, maybe the old menu editor did this, because I haven't used the desktop for a week
[02:20] <Maximilian1st> !herd2
[02:20] <SGL> I just ssh to it
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <Maximilian1st> herd2
[02:20] <SGL> So maybe pre-update it already got screwed :)
[02:20] <SGL> Thanks for your help!
[02:20] <SGL> Now I can go back to my work ^_^
[02:20] <TheSheep> :)
[03:14] <Jester45> if you use the fglrx driver you might want to upgrade because there is a new version
[03:34] <Grey_Loki> Is there a 2D floor plan creator in any of the synaptic package universes?
[03:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Grey_Loki: There are a bunch of CAD tools there - I don't use them, though, so I can't recommend any specific one.
[03:51] <Grey_Loki> Guess i'll just be lookin' then :P
[03:51] <Grey_Loki> Thanks :)
[04:28] <Grey_Loki> Well, I found a rather nice web based app - i'm not that good at CAD, so something this simple is a godsent
[04:28] <Grey_Loki> http://www.gliffy.com/gliffy
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> what is the default cd burner in xubuntu?
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> nvmd
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> ic it is xfburn
[05:21] <vidd_laptop>  wb b_52Free
[05:43] <Tampler> I downloaded one gtk theme. How can I change default font color ?
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> sorry Tampler i have no idea
[05:49] <Tampler> Thanks, I will find something I think that I have to change something in metacity.xml :)
[05:53] <b_52GM> vidd_laptop,  thks
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> np
[05:56] <grazie> vidd_laptop: xfburn doesn't work. graveman is a good alternative I think
[05:59] <HS^> pLease copy fedora's fonts.
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> HS^, ????
[05:59] <HS^> ubuntu fonts...well.. is bad compared with fedor
[05:59] <HS^> a
[05:59] <HS^> so please copy fedora fonts
[05:59] <HS^> to default
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> to default? no....
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> but you can always load them in your system and set your system to use them
[06:01] <HS^> yes please
[06:01] <HS^> why not default
[06:01] <HS^> it is much better, the work of fedora on fonts is much better quality compared with ubuntu
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> because we are not fedora, so we dont use thier fonts by default
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> then install thewm and use them
[06:02] <HS^> thats a emotional argument you making
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> but dont try to push their fonts on ME
[06:02] <HS^> they are better..
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> IMO the fonts i have installed are fine
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> i can read them they work
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> you DONT like them, so change them
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> but dont make ME change because YOU dont like
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> this is NOT M$ here
[06:03] <HS^> i am the majority here
[06:03] <HS^> niot you
[06:04] <HS^> you have to do nothing to change them, only update xubuntu
[06:04] <HS^> i will make sure xubuntu addapts fedora font.
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> if you were the majority, then we would ALREADY have the fonts installed by default
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> i seem to see a flaw in your argument
[06:04] <HS^> no change comes only after someone points out the problem
[06:05] <HS^> and fonts are the biggest problem with ubuntu, everyone agrees with that
[06:12] <b_52GM> any one got an interl card i915 ?
[06:13] <Commander-Crowe> yes
[06:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !anyone
[06:13] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:13] <b_52GM> hm
[06:13] <Commander-Crowe> b_52GM, whatever your problem...you swhould download the driver first from synaptivs
[06:14] <b_52GM> Commander-Crowe,  euh wich deb mirror ?
[06:14] <Commander-Crowe> hrm...
[06:14] <Commander-Crowe> just add them all haha
[06:14] <b_52GM> hm ok
[06:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The driver should be part of the base system.
[06:14] <Commander-Crowe> multiverse universe backport...ya now
[06:15] <b_52GM> so install it and restart the  Xorg ?
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> !915
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> !i915
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i915 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> oh well
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> gotta go
[06:15] <b_52GM> Commander-Crowe,  see yu and thks
[06:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info xserver-xorg-video-i810
[06:16] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-i810: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 148 kB, installed size 392 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[06:28] <hyper_ch> hiho
[06:28] <b_52GM> i have install the driver --> the i chaged manually the line in xorg.conf from  "i810" to  "i915" but when restarting xorg did have the ability to load the module
[06:36] <Commander-Crowe> b_52GM, your going to have to and it to modprobe
[06:36] <Commander-Crowe> thats what I did
[06:36] <Commander-Crowe> I just can't remember how
[06:36] <Commander-Crowe> :/
[06:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> /etc/modules are loaded at boot.
[06:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> `modprobe' can load modules anytime.
[06:38] <Commander-Crowe> or yeah....that might be it
[06:38] <Commander-Crowe> but I actually think I used modprobe
[06:38] <Commander-Crowe> it might be better to use the other
[06:41] <b_52GM> Commander-Crowe,  PuMpErNiCkLe  it didn't work
[06:41] <b_52GM> xorg didn't find the driver
[06:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What did you install?  What are you trying to load?
[06:44] <Jester45> b_52GM: what are you tring to do
[06:44] <b_52GM> Jester45,  i was runing with a driver i810  and trying to install a i915 driver i have apt-hget the new driver
[06:44] <b_52GM> but restarting xorg , can not load the i915driver
[06:45] <Jester45> driver for what did you change the driver in xorg.conf or is it even needed
[06:46] <b_52GM> i have an intel  915  integrated graphic card , the default installed driver was i810  driver ,, soo i have tried to change that
[06:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The i810 provides support for 9** chipsets.
[06:47] <b_52GM> PuMpErNiCkLe,  yeah but i want to use the 915 driver  :D
[06:47] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Aside from that, though, which package did you install, and what driver name did you write to xorg.conf?
[06:47] <Jester45> you might want to change that back
[06:47] <b_52GM> Xorg eat to much of memoru ...
[06:47] <b_52GM> i have install  915resoilution and in xorg.cong , i have change "i810" to  " i915"
[06:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 915resolution isn't a driver.
[06:51] <Jester45> does compiz work on fglrx ?
[06:53] <b_52GM> !!???
[06:53] <b_52GM> PuMpErNiCkLe, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332542&highlight=i915
[06:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Jester45: Compiz: yes, AIGLX: no.
[06:54] <Jester45> ok
[06:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> b_52GM: It's a tool to modify the resolution to certain non-supported modes.  That's all.
[06:56] <b_52GM> errr
[06:56] <b_52GM> so i think i should keepp  my i810 :(
[06:57] <b_52GM> PuMpErNiCkLe,  how to know the maximum resulotion of my laptop  , 915resolution -l ?
[06:59] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd just check the laptop's documentation.
[06:59] <b_52GM> hm ok
[06:59] <b_52GM> PuMpErNiCkLe,  thanks ofr yur help
[06:59] <b_52GM> ofr/for
[07:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[07:03] <vidd_laptop>  youhave to run graveman as sudo to get it to burn iso's?
[07:12] <Grey_Loki> So long as you (as a user) have access to the device, you shouldn't have to
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> hmmm.
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You can set that in users-admin.
[07:16] <vidd_laptop> feisty wont let me open user admin
[07:18] <vidd_laptop> its going to be interesting to say the least
[07:24] <hyper_ch> hiho, when I do a ls -al, what does a "S" mean?   -r-Sr--r-- 1 root root 19374 2007-01-13 19:20 /usr/lib/libvmdsp.so
[07:37] <Spasticteapot> Anyone here actually talking about linux?
[07:38] <Jester45> yep
[07:38] <Spasticteapot> Hooray!
[07:38] <Jester45> thats what the channel is for
[07:38] <Spasticteapot> #linux is a madhouse.
[07:39] <Jester45> yep
[07:39] <Spasticteapot> I've got a simple networking question.
[07:39] <Spasticteapot> As a preamble, I'm the sysadmin of a small network.
[07:39] <Jester45> ok go ahead and ask
[07:39] <Spasticteapot> I have no experience as a sysadmin; while my ability to make crappy old hardware work is very good, I'm not so good with Unix or even Windows for that matter.
[07:39] <Spasticteapot> In other words :
[07:40] <Spasticteapot> "GOOD GOD, I'm SCREWED! Somebody help me!"
[07:40] <Spasticteapot> Anyway, I've got a wireless adapter that works very nicely under NDISwrapper.
[07:40] <Spasticteapot> However, Xubunutu lacks NDISwrapper.
[07:40] <Jester45> !ndiswrapper
[07:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:40] <Jester45> that could help
[07:41] <Spasticteapot> I know how to use NDISwrapper - I just need to download it.
[07:41] <Spasticteapot> We've only got wi-fi here from the neighboring coffeeshop. (Sue us, we're a nonprofit.)
[07:41] <Spasticteapot> And we have permission.
[07:41] <Jester45> so your running xubuntu?
[07:41] <Spasticteapot> Anyway, I've got a Windows laptop.
[07:41] <Spasticteapot> Yep.
[07:42] <Jester45> !info ndiswrapper-common
[07:42] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:42] <Spasticteapot> I want to get the Xubuntu machine to connect to the internet through my Windows laptop.
[07:42] <Spasticteapot> They're all connected to a wired switch, and all of them have static IP addresses.
[07:43] <Spasticteapot> 192.168.0.x, with x being the number of the computer. (I've named them one, two, three, four, et cetera.)
[07:43] <Jester45> ok try the command "apt-get install ndiswrapper-common
[07:43] <Spasticteapot> I can't - I need to get it to connect through the laptop first.
[07:43] <Jester45> o yea
[07:43] <Jester45> sorry
[07:44] <Spasticteapot> I'm not even entirely sure of how to get Win-Dos to bridge the connections in XP - I'm used to Win98.
[07:44] <Spasticteapot> Sad, huh?
[07:44] <Spasticteapot> I've got the WinXP laptop next to me, and it's connected to the wi-fi connection.
[07:45] <Spasticteapot> So, what do I do?
[07:45] <Jester45> just a minute
[07:45] <Spasticteapot> Thanks much.
[07:46] <Jester45> what version of xubuntu
[07:46] <Jester45> drapper or edgy?
[07:46] <Spasticteapot> Edgy.
[07:46] <Jester45> k
[07:47] <Spasticteapot> I'm not entirely sure if you can comprehend how helpful you're being.
[07:47] <Spasticteapot> If you can make this work, you'll make a LOT of people very, very happy.
[07:48] <Grey_Loki> Spasticteapot, highlight the two connections you want to bridge, right click them, and select 'bridge connections'
[07:48] <Spasticteapot> Did that.
[07:48] <Spasticteapot> It says "little or no connectivity".
[07:48] <Spasticteapot> I set the IP address to 192.168.5.6 - it's open.
[07:49] <Spasticteapot> The xubuntu machine is 192.168.5.2
[07:49] <Grey_Loki> Windows' inbuilt networking has always been a bit dodgy
[07:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If all you need is ndiswrapper to get networking on the Xubuntu machine working, you can get that via http from archive.ubuntu.com and transfer it on disk.
[07:50] <Spasticteapot> A "BIT" dodgy?
[07:50] <Spasticteapot> No good - I don't have any linux machines on the network.
[07:50] <Jester45> well to get the deb file you need to look online
[07:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You wouldn't need a linux machine to do that.
[07:51] <Spasticteapot> Oh...okay, then.
[07:51] <Jester45> off the web...
[07:51] <Spasticteapot> Can you help me get it installed? I've never been able to get .deb files to install under Ubuntu.
[07:51] <Spasticteapot> I know, I know...I suck.
[07:52] <Jester45> umm
[07:52] <Jester45> your double click them
[07:52] <Spasticteapot> Funny...that never worked for me.
[07:52] <Spasticteapot> Would the .tar.gz under the NDISwrapper downloads work?
[07:53] <Spasticteapot> I dunno if it has the .deb in it or not.
[07:53] <Jester45> ok i got the deb for you
[07:54] <Spasticteapot> Thanks.
[07:54] <Spasticteapot> Where is it?
[07:54] <Jester45> im trying ot send it with irc :)
[07:54] <Spasticteapot> Won't work.
[07:55] <Spasticteapot> mIRC is configured funny- I'm used to Xchat.
[07:55] <Spasticteapot> Send it to spasticteapot@gmail.com
[07:56] <Spasticteapot> Or just link me.
[07:56] <Spasticteapot> Is my wifi connection out again, or am I connected?
[07:56] <Jester45> i will email
[07:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-common_1.18-1ubuntu2_all.deb <---- link
[07:57] <Spasticteapot> Thanks!
[07:57] <Jester45> aa
[07:57] <Jester45> i knew you would find it firest
[07:57] <Jester45> i couldnt find it there
[07:58] <Spasticteapot> It's downloaded.
[07:58] <Spasticteapot> Gimmie a minute to install it..be back in a minute.
[08:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'm pretty sure you'll want the utils, too.  Link: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.8_1.18-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:26] <walt73> Hello?  Am I in the xubuntu IRC?
[08:26] <bur[n] er> yes
[08:27] <walt73> I've run Slackware for years, looking for something newer.  I don't wan't/need gnome or kde, I'm extremely happy with fvwm2 and would like to keep using it.    Is xubuntu a good place to start (instead of ubuntu?)
[08:28] <bur[n] er> walt73, sure
[08:28] <bur[n] er> walt73, or fluxbox based ubuntu
[08:29] <bur[n] er> i prefer xfce though
[08:31] <walt73> I've used fvwm2 for 15+ years, I'm a dinosaur, I don't wan to change.  If I download xubuntu, how do I turn off the default window manager and turn on fvwm2 (I did try the FAQs first)
[08:32] <bur[n] er> just apt-get install fvwm2 and logout... upon the gdm login screen, choose the fvwm session and log back in
[08:32] <TheSheep> walt73: just install it and choose it at the login screen -- it will ask if you want to save it as the defailt choice
[08:32] <bur[n] er> not hard
[08:35] <walt73> remember I'm a Slackware dinosaur :-)  Using apt-get would download/install fvwm2, but can I remove the default window manager (not that I have anything against, I just don't like stuff clutering up my system when I know I'm never going to use it)
[08:35] <bur[n] er> you could remove it... apt-get remove blah
[08:35] <bur[n] er> or start with the fluxbox based ubuntu cd and get fvwm from there
[08:36] <bur[n] er> http://fluxbuntu.org/   sudo apt-get install fvwm2 && sudo apt-get remove --purge fluxbox*
[08:37] <walt73> I'd like to start with the most appropriate distribution, whatever it is.  Why would someone prefer flexbuntu over xubuntu for my situation (I don't have any preference, I'm just asking)
[08:37] <grazie> why not do a server install and add xubuntu-desktop?
[08:38] <grazie> or fvm2 package?
[08:38] <esc> hallo everyone
[08:41] <bur[n] er> walt73, no preferred way... just pick one and go :)
[08:42] <walt73> ok, i'll look at flux as well and pick one, thanks.
[08:42] <TheSheep> walt73: fluxbuntu is lighter than xfce -- if you have really weak hardware, it's preffered...
[08:44] <grazie> isn't fluxbuntu still a bit flakey?
[08:44] <TheSheep> grazie: what do you mean?
[08:44] <esc> grazie, yes it was lat time i tried
[08:45] <esc> also fluxbox un xubuntu was a bit flakey last time i tried
[08:45] <grazie> not as polished as xubuntu
[08:45] <esc> all aaprx a month ago
[08:45] <esc> sup TheSheep !!
[08:45] <TheSheep> grazie: well, you'd expect some work when you have this old a box :)
[08:45] <esc> the interplay between OS and Window manager isn't as nicely setup by default
[08:46] <esc> :-)
[08:46] <esc> grazie, what kind of box is it?
[08:46] <grazie> not my box
[08:47] <esc> well... i have two really low spec boxes and they both don't even have installed
[08:47] <esc> one of them only has a 800 meg hdd
[08:48] <esc> X installed that is
[08:50] <grazie> about to feisty a try on a ppc machine. anything i should read or be aware of?
[08:50] <grazie> s/to/to try/
[08:51] <grazie> s/to/to give/. ??????
[08:51] <esc> old sun sparc pizza box?
[08:51] <grazie> g4
[08:51] <esc> cool, i should be getting an old imac one of these days, but unfortunately i have no exp with ppcs yet
[08:52] <esc> :-(
[08:53] <grazie> well engineered boxes, although imac monitors a bit awkward i believe
[08:54] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:54] <esc> yeah its all in the box, and i'm not too fond of single button mice (well, any mice at all for that matter :-)
[08:55] <grazie> mouse is easily replaced for a few quid
[08:55] <esc> i belive mice are really great for newcommers but they really impede on productivity for more advanced users and are prone to making folk lazy...
[08:56] <esc> only thing i use em for is browsig the web
[08:56] <grazie> tried using mouse jestures?
[08:57] <esc> ha, now theres an idea, and touchy screens too :-)
[08:58] <esc> i'm actually contemplating buying a wii remote and using that instead of my mouse :-)))
[08:59] <grazie> using lirc?
[08:59] <esc> time to revolutionise the way we interface with computers, ... the keyboard layout is such an  antiquated anachronism, that has totally lost its relevance, it probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for habit
[09:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or for the fact that it's the best productivity enhancement around...
[09:00] <esc> indeed :-) just like democracy, its a crap for of government, but the best there is too date
[09:01] <admin_> I'm wondering if a Xubuntu live cd will run on a machine with 128mb ram / 667mhz
[09:01] <cellofellow> it will run, but the installer wont
[09:01] <cellofellow> 196 to run the installer
[09:01] <admin_> ouch
[09:02] <admin_> so if i wanted to install I would just use the alt cd?
[09:02] <admin_> And I could use it live with normal cd?
[09:02] <cellofellow> Yup
[09:02] <cellofellow> Alt CD isn't bad. I'm installing with QEMU right now on another hdd.
[09:02] <Spasticteapot> hello?
[09:02] <cellofellow> Hi
[09:02] <Spasticteapot> Woot!
[09:03] <admin_> cellofellow: yeah , i've used alt cd on other machines, just wondering if it would work on there, thanks
[09:03] <Spasticteapot> I'm having some trouble with NDISwrapper.
[09:03] <Spasticteapot> I got the package installer, opened it, clicked the "install package" button in the upper right, and it supposedly installed.
[09:03] <Spasticteapot> However, NDISwrapper won't @#$#@$ run.
[09:04] <esc> Spasticteapot, are you working with an SMP kernel ??
[09:05] <Spasticteapot> I don't think so - I ran the default Xubuntu install.
[09:05] <cellofellow> smp == multicore
[09:05] <Spasticteapot> Heh, no - default CD, single CPU PIII 700.
[09:05] <esc> last time i tried, which is admitedly over a year ago, ndiswrapper wouldn't jive with smp kernel
[09:05] <esc> what the output of cat /prov/version??
[09:05] <cellofellow> proc
[09:06] <Spasticteapot> No such file.
[09:06] <esc> replace prov with proc
[09:06] <Spasticteapot> cat: /prov/version: No such file or directory.
[09:06] <esc> cat /proc/version
[09:06] <esc> my bad
[09:06] <Spasticteapot> SMP.
[09:06] <Spasticteapot> Oh, fark.
[09:06] <esc> hehe, nasty eh :-)
[09:06] <Grey_Loki> Fast Assist-Repair KBot
[09:07] <Grey_Loki> Total Annihilation FTW :P
[09:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Edgy has smp support built in to the default kernel.
[09:07] <Spasticteapot> Hello, Grey_Loki.
[09:07] <Spasticteapot> Well, I'm screwed.
[09:07] <Spasticteapot> So, what do I do now?
[09:07] <esc> what kind of wireless card is it, you can probabyl get a driver for that?
[09:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It also has support for ndiswrapper.
[09:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Most likely, you just need the utils.
[09:07] <esc> ah ok .
[09:08] <Spasticteapot> It's not linux-compatible - I've tried.
[09:08] <esc> so is it no longer the case that ndiswrapper is incompatible with SMP kernels?
[09:08] <Spasticteapot> Yep....says so.
[09:08] <Spasticteapot> No - needs utils.
[09:08] <Spasticteapot> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy
[09:08] <esc> !wirelss
[09:08] <Spasticteapot> I just don't know exactly what they mean by that.
[09:08] <esc> !wireless
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wirelss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:08] <Grey_Loki> Woah
[09:09] <Grey_Loki> Did one of the servers just go down?
[09:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The utils are at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.8_1.18-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[09:09] <Spasticteapot> I have the need-coffee-beforemaking-the-coffee-in-the-morning paradox.
[09:09] <Grey_Loki> Orwell
[09:09] <Spasticteapot> Bother it all.
[09:10] <Spasticteapot> One sec.
[09:10] <Spasticteapot> Okay, downloading - I'll move it via a flash drive.
[09:11] <Spasticteapot> What's the difference between ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils?
[09:12] <Spasticteapot> Yay - it works!
[09:13] <cellofellow> shouldn't there be a meta-package?
[09:13] <cellofellow> that calls both?
[09:13] <esc> brb, reboo into xubuntu
[09:13] <Spasticteapot> No idea.
[09:14] <Spasticteapot> Now that I should have this set up in a moment, can anyone reccomend a good wifi manager?
[09:15] <Spasticteapot> And how can I turn off processes, like PCMCIAmanager?
[09:17] <cellofellow> hey maxamillion
[09:17] <maxamillion> hiya cellofellow
[09:18] <maxamillion> --->offtopic
[09:18] <cellofellow> k
[09:18] <Spasticteapot> Why won't linux let me open a folder called LEXAR MEDIA?
[09:19] <Spasticteapot> It seems to be two words - I have no idea why.
[09:19] <Spasticteapot> Anyone?
[09:19] <cellofellow> That's the label of your thumbdrive
[09:19] <cellofellow> is it mounted?
[09:19] <Spasticteapot> Yah, I know.
[09:19] <Spasticteapot> Yup.
[09:19] <Spasticteapot> ls says I have LEXAR MEDIA
[09:19] <Spasticteapot> It's dark blue - I think that means it's mounted.
[09:20] <cellofellow> type mount at the terminal
[09:20] <Spasticteapot> Light blue are the 2nd floppy drive (nonexistent) and CD-ROM drive (empty)
[09:20] <esc> light blue means symbolic link
[09:20] <esc> dark blue are directories
[09:20] <Spasticteapot> Oh.
[09:20] <esc> by default that is
[09:20] <cellofellow> what's mount say?
[09:20] <Spasticteapot> It seems to be /dev/sda1
[09:21] <cellofellow> so, you can't open the dir?
[09:21] <esc> whats the error message?
[09:21] <Spasticteapot> "directory nonexistent".
[09:22] <Spasticteapot> I hate stupid labels.
[09:22] <cellofellow> LEXAR\ MEDIA. escape the space with a \
[09:22] <cellofellow> you escape qoutes, returns, spaces, and other characters with special meenings with a backslash. \\ is \
[09:23] <Spasticteapot> Ah.
[09:23] <esc> although you should be able to type "cd LEX" and hit tab to autocomplete
[09:23] <cellofellow> yeah, that too.
[09:23] <cellofellow> I use tab all the time
[09:23] <cellofellow> works with apt=gat and aptitude too.
[09:23] <Spasticteapot> I have a folder called "Linksys Driver" on my desktop, now.
[09:23] <cellofellow> apt-get*
[09:23] <Spasticteapot> What does "cd LEX" do?
[09:24] <esc> yeah i use zsh, and give my tab key regular workouts :-)
[09:24] <cellofellow> nothing, cd LEX<tab> fills in the rest.
[09:24] <cellofellow> I'm fine with bash. :)
[09:24] <esc> yeah most people seem to be okay with bash, i was too until i went to a talk about zsh
[09:24] <Spasticteapot> Ack...my head hurts.
[09:24] <xubuntu_user> what is the command to lock the screen in xubuntu?
[09:25] <cellofellow> umm....
[09:25] <cellofellow> one sec.
[09:25] <xubuntu_user> ok, thanks
[09:25] <Spasticteapot> OK, now I've got it.
[09:25] <Spasticteapot> Thanks!
[09:25] <esc> xubuntu_user,  try "xscreensaver-command -lock"
[09:25] <cellofellow> xubuntu_user: There's a panel button I use for locking the screen.
[09:26] <xubuntu_user> yeah, i think thats it, i remember that, thanks
[09:26] <Spasticteapot> what's the trick for making Autocomplete work?
[09:26] <cellofellow> that's it, yeah. :)
[09:26] <cellofellow> Spasticteapot: single tab to fill in the rest of the filename, works with commands too. double tab to see a list of possible completes.
[09:27] <esc> autocomplete should be one by default in xubuntu/bash
[09:27] <esc> now you see in zsh, two tabs starts cycling through available commands :-)
[09:27] <esc> at least you can make it do that :-)
[09:28] <Spasticteapot> Thanks!
[09:28] <esc> Spasticteapot, pressing the up and down keys in a terminal, will cylcle through your command history,
[09:28] <cellofellow> if you do X<tab><tab> in bash, you get it asking if you want to see like 200 possiblities, which it calls more to let you scroll through
[09:28] <cellofellow> I love the history bit.
[09:29] <esc> yes, always have ultra useful
[09:29] <esc> for the inherently lazy
[09:29] <cellofellow> and putting something like this: command `other -command` it'll put the output of the other command in the backticks into the command.
[09:30] <Spasticteapot> Just checking.
[09:30] <esc> also you can use the <tab> key in xchat to autocomplete nicknames :-)
[09:30] <cellofellow> in irssi too.
[09:30] <Spasticteapot> I applied NDISWRAPPER -i to my INF file.
[09:30] <esc> cellofellow, thats what i should be using i know :-)
[09:30] <Spasticteapot> And then NDISWRAPPER -m to write.
[09:30] <Spasticteapot> Is there something else I need to do?
[09:30] <esc> and preferably from within screen
[09:31] <Spasticteapot> Yay, it works!
[09:31] <esc> Spasticteapot, man ndiswrapper should tell you exactly how to do that :-)
[09:31] <Spasticteapot> I was just double-checking - I had it right, it appears.
[09:31] <Spasticteapot> How do I get to the configuration menu in XFCE?
[09:32] <cellofellow> Applications -> System Settings
[09:32] <Spasticteapot> Applications -> system -> networking shows that it's not there.
[09:32] <Spasticteapot> NDISwrapper -l says it is.
[09:34] <Spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[09:34] <Spasticteapot> I'm most perplexed.
[09:34] <cellofellow> I've no idea, as you know. :)
[09:36] <cellofellow> don't you need to use modprobe or mod-something to get NDISWrapper working?
[09:37] <Spasticteapot> Dunno.
[09:37] <Spasticteapot> -m re-saves modprobe, and I did that.
[09:37] <Spasticteapot> I'm currently rebooting.
[09:37] <cellofellow> that might help.
[09:39] <esc> does anyone know how to reconnect to a running xchat session?
[09:40] <cellofellow> reconnect?
[09:42] <esc> i dunno
[09:42] <esc> have it running on a machine, ssh to that machine maybe with -X forwarding
[09:42] <esc> and then bring up xchat on the local display
[09:43] <cellofellow> you can't disconnect an X process from the x server and have it keep running, even to reconnect elsewhere
[09:43] <cellofellow> using irssi is screen will do what you want though.
[09:43] <cellofellow> s/is/in
[09:45] <esc> fair enough
[09:45] <esc> thats what i thought
[09:46] <esc> i guess the same applies for a bittorrent client, and some sort of instant messaging thingy
[09:46] <cellofellow> yeah
[09:46] <cellofellow> centericq will work for IM
[09:47] <esc> can i connect to the xserver though?
[09:48] <esc> for example via vnc or so?
[09:48] <esc> at the moment i do exactly that with nxserver
[09:49] <esc> but its a bit picky, cause i always need to login to the running nxseesion from the same machine
[09:49] <cellofellow> vnc will work. I thunk
[09:49] <cellofellow> think
[09:49] <Spasticteapot> Hello!
[09:49] <Spasticteapot> I'm back.
[09:49] <Spasticteapot> I've rebooted the machine, and the wifi card shows up, but now I can't get it to connect.
[09:49] <Spasticteapot> I entered the SSID and pressed "OK", but nothing's happened.
[09:50] <Spasticteapot> Should I download a wifi manager?
[09:50] <esc> and i don't want to have to login to one machine for a fresh nxsession, only to resume running nxsession on a differnt machine
[09:50] <esc> although that would work
[09:50] <esc> funnily enough
[09:52] <cellofellow> connection glitched
[09:53] <Spasticteapot> Hello?
[09:53] <Spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[09:54] <cellofellow> yeah...
[09:54] <Spasticteapot> Sorry.
[09:54] <Spasticteapot> I've got a wireless network, but it's unlocked.
[09:54] <Spasticteapot> What file do I want to edit to change my wifi information?
[10:00] <cellofellow> hi
[10:18] <MattCampbell> Are Xubuntu's default X settings (e.g. screen resolution and DPI) suitable for a 17-inch CRT?
[10:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There are no 'default' defaults - they'll be configured when it's installed.
[10:21] <MattCampbell> OK, how does it determine these settings?  It asked me no questions about monitor size or screen reoslution during installation.
[10:21] <MattCampbell> Now my father (who I did the install for) is saying the font is a little too small, so I'm wondering how best to fix it.
[10:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You can change the default font settings in preferences -> fonts.
[10:22] <vidd_laptop> just go into the settings (desktop?) and pick a larger font
[10:23] <MattCampbell> OK, I was wondering if it would be better to change the reoslution or DPI instead of the default font size, since the installer may not have correctly guessed the optimal settings.
[10:23] <MattCampbell> Does it have a way of determining the monitor size?
[10:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Usually yes; if you're using unusual hardware, it can fail.
[10:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Since the only problem seems to be the font size, it has probably determined the correct dimensions.
[10:29] <Spasticteapot> Hello?
[10:29] <esc> you can use xrandr to see what resolutions are available and xrandr -s # to set that resolution
[10:30] <esc> my dad for example has a monitor capable of 1280x1024 but wants it set to 1024x768 cause hes a bit on the old sinde
[10:31] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Spasticteapot
[10:31] <esc> MattCampbell, i guess optimal settings are in the eye of the user
[10:32] <MattCampbell> What's the easiest way to permanently lower the resolution?
[10:32] <MattCampbell> I presume by editing Xorg.conf.
[10:32] <Spasticteapot> Good gravy, I like the Xubuntu chatroom much better than #linux.
[10:32] <Spasticteapot> Too much whining, not enough Linux
[10:33] <cellofellow> MattCampbell: yeah
[10:33] <somerville32> :)
[10:33] <MattCampbell> Also, does vino work well with Xfce?
[10:34] <vidd_laptop> !vino
[10:34] <ubotu> vino: VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 173 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[10:34] <Spasticteapot> I'm trying to get my wifi card to work in Xubuntu - it won't.
[10:34] <Spasticteapot> I'm connecting to an unlocked access point with a wifi card under NDISwrapper.
[10:35] <esc> Spasticteapot, have u used iwconfig to bring up the interface?
[10:35] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, set yourself up with a static ip
[10:36] <esc> vidd_laptop, is there a better way to enter ip and dns information rather than editing /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:36] <Spasticteapot> I set iwconfig with wlan0
[10:36] <vidd_laptop> the network interface
[10:36] <cellofellow> you can use the GUI util if you want
[10:37] <vidd_laptop> there is a gui in app system
[10:37] <Spasticteapot> Gui, schmui.
[10:37] <esc> aha, ok
[10:37] <Spasticteapot> I'm a newbie, and want to learn the command line first.
[10:37] <Spasticteapot> (I've heard this is the best way to go.)
[10:37] <Spasticteapot> sudo dhcpcd wlan0 just hangs the system.
[10:37] <Spasticteapot> Or at least the terminal.
[10:37] <vidd_laptop> the Iron Madien is over there------------->
[10:37] <esc> grml has a ncurses based utility called grml-network to this via menu from the command line
[10:38] <esc> you can use iwconfig up wlan0 to bring up the interface (i think)
[10:38] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, you need to set yourself a STATIC ip
[10:38] <Spasticteapot> Why?
[10:38] <Spasticteapot> The access point uses DHCP.
[10:38] <esc> vidd_laptop, unless you use dhcp
[10:38] <esc> or are provided with it
[10:38] <vidd_laptop> that is fine....but you need to announce yourself
[10:39] <cellofellow> DHCP has a range of addresses, like 2-50. If you choose an address out of that range, then it'll work.
[10:39] <Spasticteapot> Ack.
[10:39] <Spasticteapot> This makes no sense - the access point uses DHCP.
[10:39] <Spasticteapot> I'm confused!
[10:39] <esc> you can also configure dhcp to assign you an address based on your MAC,
[10:39] <vidd_laptop> it uses dhcp, and static
[10:40] <cellofellow> that makes no difference. The access point itself has a static IP.
[10:40] <Spasticteapot> It does?
[10:40] <esc> it should do
[10:40] <Spasticteapot> I don't know what it is - I just know the SSID.
[10:40] <Spasticteapot> I'm stealing wifi from a coffeeshop. (Yes, I have permission.)
[10:40] <cellofellow> My routers have static, and my server. Everything else is DHCP, controlled by the server.
[10:40] <Maximilian1st> Hi all.
[10:40] <esc> for example my router is at 192.168.0.1, and my ap at 192.168.0.2
[10:41] <esc> the ap uses the dhcp on the router to assign clients IP addys
[10:41] <cellofellow> my DHCP range is 192.168.0.4-192.168.0.20
[10:41] <Spasticteapot> Let me repeat:
[10:41] <vidd_laptop> can you "see" the wifi when you scan?
[10:41] <Spasticteapot> How do I scan?
[10:41] <Spasticteapot> I just know that it's there from my laptop.
[10:41] <cellofellow> so I can set a static IP of 192.168.0.21 and it'll work.
[10:41] <Maximilian1st> I just have a quick question. Should I remove the Xfce packages before installing the svn version of Xfce?
[10:42] <cellofellow> yes, unless you install it in a different place and give them all different hames.
[10:42] <esc> cellofellow, do you assign IPs bassed on the MAC, getting the IP from your dns?
[10:42] <cellofellow> names
[10:42] <Spasticteapot> I'm now totally confused.
[10:42] <Spasticteapot> Oh, well...I'll figure it out later.
[10:42] <Maximilian1st> cellofellow, thank you.
[10:42] <esc> Spasticteapot, take it easy :)
[10:42] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, give me a sec
[10:42] <Spasticteapot> Is there a wifi scanner you can reccomend?
[10:43] <Maximilian1st> Spasticteapot, Wifi-radar
[10:43] <cellofellow> esc: the server detects MAC, sets a preset IP to the MAC, and a preset DNS to the IP. All the same program, same line in the conf file.
[10:43] <Maximilian1st> Connection-manager.
[10:43] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, what you get when you iwconfig
[10:44] <Maximilian1st> Spasticteapot, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299462 This is definitely a promising app.
[10:44] <esc> right so thats dyn-dns where your dhcpd assigns IP and updates bind
[10:44] <esc> ?? or something
[10:44] <cellofellow> esc: I use dnsmasq
[10:44] <cellofellow> esc: on debian sarge
[10:44] <vidd_laptop> If all devices listed say "no wireless extensions." then your wireless card is not configured.
[10:45] <esc> is that better than bind9
[10:45] <esc> ?
[10:46] <cellofellow> esc: easier for me. I just have a small network and wanted more control over IP addresses than the router offered.
[10:46] <esc> yeah totally :-)
[10:46] <cellofellow> esc: and I wanted DNS. If I had no Win98 systems I'd have done ZeroConf for that, but normal DNS works too.
[10:47] <esc> cool, i just had that oreilly book about ZeroConf in my hand and almost bought it, but i got linux server hacks volume 2 instead :-)
[10:47] <esc> when i first set up DNS i just used bind9
[10:48] <esc> didn't really know about anything else
[10:48] <cellofellow> I asked about in the linuxquestions.org forums and they suggested dnsmasq
[10:48] <Maximilian1st> Hey maxamillion :-)
[10:49] <esc> cellofellow, do you still use your router as gateway, or have you got squid setup?
[10:49] <cellofellow> esc: router as NAT gateway. I don't need a proxy. My server is just a Pentium w/32MB RAM.
[10:50] <cellofellow> esc: and another router with no firewall and the wireless AP turned on that acts as a switch
[10:51] <esc> Pentium eh :-)
[10:52] <cellofellow> 155Mhz.
[10:52] <cellofellow> 166, oops
[10:53] <esc> i use an Athlon XP 3000  512 meg, with 250 gigs or harddrive space as my central dns server, samba file server, bittorent machine, and soon to be nfs server and thin-client server..
[10:53] <cellofellow> sweet stuff. I wish I could do all that.
[10:54] <esc> oh and of course i use that also for any resource intensive stuff like complining latex thesis, or kernels and what-not
[10:54] <cellofellow> my desktop is a PIII Katmai 450Mhz with 319MB RAM and about 80GB total storage.
[10:55] <cellofellow> yeah, that's nice to have too.
[10:55] <esc> i bought that when i was getting high on acid, and decided that i needed another machine, and just blew a load on my credit card... yuck
[10:55] <esc> was fun at the time, but ended up paying up for it long-time ...errr,.
[10:55] <esc> not so cool :-(
[10:56] <esc> but the machine is nice :-)
[10:56] <somerville32> :)
[10:57] <cellofellow> somerville32: the feisty alt ISO is on its way. Hope this doesn't take TOO long. wget says 6 hours left.
[10:57] <cellofellow> 6 1/2
[10:57] <somerville32> hehe
[11:00] <esc> i mean i spent about 6 months diggeling around with my home network in my flat of 6 people and then got a job a sysadmin in a primary school
[11:01] <Maximilian1st> cellofellow, what is the reason I need to uninstall first or install in another place with other names? Is it that synaptic could delete my newly compiled version?
[11:03] <cellofellow> it'll just conflict. Maybe synaptic/apt would remove the new files, not sure. Try installing in /usr/local instead of /usr and it should take precedence over the default one in /usr without needing to uninstall. But only the new one will be accessable and the old one will just take up space.
[11:03] <cellofellow> well, it'll be accessable with full paths
[11:03] <Maximilian1st> cellofellow, I see.
[11:03] <cellofellow> like /usr/bin/xfce4-session instead of just xfce4-session
[11:04] <Maximilian1st> so the /usr/local has precedence?
[11:04] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:04] <Maximilian1st> ok, thx
[11:04] <cellofellow>  /, then /usr, then /usr/local
[11:04] <Maximilian1st> I did it wrong :-p
[11:05] <Maximilian1st> I installed my svn version just straight over the packages from xubuntu.
[11:05] <Maximilian1st> :-/
[11:05] <cellofellow>  / for system level, /usr for most apps, and /usr/local for local apps (in thin-client nets) and non-packaged apps on desktops.
[11:06] <cellofellow> Maximilian1st: then reinstall and try again. There should be a way of setting the prefix in the configure script or makefile.
[11:06] <cellofellow> reinstall xfce from repos. apt-get reinstall etc...
[11:06] <cellofellow> or just live without the old one.
[11:07] <Maximilian1st> And what happens if I uninstall the packages now that I installed SVN over it, will synaptic make the difference?
[11:08] <cellofellow> it won't notice that the files you installed from source aren't from the package and will remove them.
[11:08] <Maximilian1st> cellofellow, I won't uninstall the svn version first because I have no idea how to do and second because thunar now manages my SD/MMC cards!
[11:08] <Maximilian1st> cellofellow, This sounds very scary.
[11:09] <cellofellow> well, just leave well enough alone, and use apt to "hold" xfce at the current version so you don't get upgrade problems.
[11:10] <Maximilian1st> The other way out would be to uninstall package by package and installing the respective svn versions right behind.
[11:10] <Maximilian1st> A bit of a clumsy way of doing but that is the price to pay for doing without knowing.
[11:11] <cellofellow> yeah, it'd been better to be sure that make installed in /usr/local
[11:14] <Maximilian1st> I did it in the beginning of this year, was just wondering now...
[11:15] <cellofellow> well, if nothing's broken then just tell apt to hold XFCE.
[11:17] <Maximilian1st> It works like before.
[11:17] <cellofellow> you could totally remove all GUI and reinsatll xubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <cellofellow> well, it doesn't matter
[11:18] <cellofellow> unless you want the official version back.
[11:19] <Maximilian1st> Takes too much time to set everything up from scratch.
[11:21] <Maximilian1st> By the way you seem to understand quite much about the wireless behaviour of Xubuntu. Do you know if I could change resolv.conf by hand and mark it read-only so the system stops changing me my DNS everytime?
[11:21] <crimsun> resolvconf doesn't work?
[11:21] <cellofellow> well, the trouble with installing files over eathother like that is that sometimes filenames aren't exactly the same, so things don't match up, and you'll still have some of xubuntu xfce laying about, and some of svn xfce laying about if you uninstall xfce.
[11:22] <cellofellow> Maximilian1st: set the permissions I suppose. change the group or something.
[11:22] <Maximilian1st> seems like a problem between my access point and router... But I want to fix it to a certain DNS anyway.
[11:22] <cellofellow> set it to either a manually set up dns server, or to your isp's dns server.
[11:23] <Maximilian1st> cellofellow, I tried the permissions way but no luck
[11:23] <cellofellow> router and ap dns forwarders don't work too well.
[11:23] <crimsun> so, again. Does resolvconf not work?
[11:24] <Maximilian1st> crimsun, like cellofellow wrote the problem could lie between the ap and router.
[11:24] <cellofellow> josh@josh-desktop:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:24] <cellofellow> domain local
[11:24] <cellofellow> nameserver 192.168.0.3
[11:24] <cellofellow> that's my resolve.conf file
[11:24] <Maximilian1st> I had to change it after my wireless card connected to the ap
[11:25] <Maximilian1st> because it takes the routers ip address as DNS
[11:25] <cellofellow> 192.168.0.3 is my manually set up server which gets it's data it needs from the ISP server, not throught the routers forwarder.
[11:25] <crimsun> I'm answering your question regarding whether it's possible to "mark it read-only so the system stops changing me my DNS everytime"
[11:25] <crimsun> the package name is called resolvconf
[11:26] <cellofellow> !info resolveconf
[11:26] <ubotu> Package resolveconf does not exist in any distro I know
[11:26] <cellofellow> !info resolvconf
[11:26] <ubotu> resolvconf: nameserver information handler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 58 kB, installed size 312 kB
[11:27] <Maximilian1st> resolv.conf here
[11:28] <Maximilian1st> When there is no wifi-radar ro whatever app to connect used, what is the daemon that looks for wireless configuration in xubuntu? wpa.supplicant?
[11:39] <Steggy> Does anyone know if it's possible to add new categories/subcategories in the system menu? For instance, I want to organize my Games category into Emulators, Strategy, Arcade, etc. Simply adding the category to the "Categories" line of a programs .desktop file (found in /usr/share/applications/) doesn't accomplish anything.
[11:39] <Jester45> yes its possible
[11:39] <cellofellow> I don't know about sub-categories, but categories yes.
[11:40] <Steggy> How do you do add categories, then?
[11:41] <Jester45> go to the menu then settings then menu editor
[11:41] <cellofellow> edit the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications. Edit with Mousepad. Each file has a different categories section.
[11:44] <Jester45> cellofellow: ok i was just looking in my apt sources.list because when i update i have to dl 56 little files and i think some are the same so in my list i have deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe and deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports restricted main multiverse universe would the 2nd restricted main multiverse and universe be the same or diffrent
[11:44] <Steggy> That's what I've been trying to do. Unfortunately, if I try to add my own category, it simply puts the launcher in the "Other" category on the menu
[11:44] <cellofellow> oh?
[11:45] <Jester45> cellofellow: could they be subcatagories like the backsports ->main and proposed ->main
[11:46] <cellofellow> backports has main, resricted, etc. I think
[11:46] <Jester45> Steggy: use the menu editor
[11:46] <Jester45> cellofellow: so they are diffrent
[11:47] <cellofellow> yeah, the normal categories apply to backports, security, updates, plain edgy, proposed too I'm sure.
[11:47] <Jester45> ok
[11:48] <Steggy> Jester45: The menu editor doesn't help at all--it simply has ---include--- system. The menu can't be edited. I'm wondering about added new categories to that system menu. I know I can completely make my own menu, but I was hoping to be able to use the system menu since programs would automatically be added to that when I install them.
[11:48] <Jester45> Steggy: have your tried pressing the + button?
[11:50] <esc> get this right, machine will boot neither off hdd nor cdrom, switch ide interfaces round, boots fine, switch ides back, boots fine too ,, wtf???
[11:50] <Jester45> they wouldnt be auto sorted into your menu they would go the default then you could move them
[11:51] <Jester45> esc: maybe you didnt have them in all the way or backwards?
[11:51] <esc> nope i quadrupple checked that to begin with ...
[11:52] <esc> probably some biod bug
[11:52] <esc> bios
[11:52] <Jester45> i thought bios where made good so they dont get bugs
[11:52] <esc> its an old dell optiplex
[11:52] <Jester45> because its a bit hard to patch bios than software
[11:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bahaha
[11:53] <esc> well, you can just flash the bios
[11:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Non-buggy BIOSes... I wish.
[11:53] <esc> and biod is software, and all software has bugs
[11:53] <esc> bios
[11:53] <Jester45> yes but somethings are a little more looked at
[11:53] <Jester45> ] 
[11:53] <esc> at least in motherboards that aren't pre 19whatever
[11:54] <Jester45> !info xserver-xgl
[11:54] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB
[11:54] <esc> indeed, the bios will probably boot fine with default settings, but then you try something very esoteric and it may just hang up on you
[11:54] <Jester45> i dont want that
[11:55] <esc> emphasize "it may"
[11:55] <cellofellow> I think my BIOS prefers to boot from the first HDD it finds.
[11:57] <esc> i've not had many probs with BIOSes in my lifetime, in fact only a handful ever, but they do exist
[12:01] <cellofellow> what kernel does Feisty include? Is it 2.6.20? Cause I need the usbvision driver and that driver is in that kernel.
[12:04] <cellofellow> !feisty
[12:04] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[12:08] <crimsun> cellofellow: we will ship with 2.6.20
[12:09] <cellofellow> yes!
[12:10] <cellofellow> what is it now? in the herds? 2.6.20rcSomething?
[12:11] <crimsun> herd-2 shipped with 2.6.20-rc4 + patches
[12:11] <Maximilian1st> crimsun, I come back on what you wrote to me about the resolv.conf problem I have here. Yes, resolv.conf does work indeed.
[12:11] <cellofellow> OK> I'm gonna test Herd 2 so I'll try the usbvision driver with my iREZ USB Live!
[12:11] <crimsun> I wasn't asking about resolv.conf.
[12:12] <crimsun> I was asking about resolvconf.
[12:12] <crimsun> Very significant difference.
[12:12] <cellofellow> !info resolvconf | Maximilian1st
[12:12] <ubotu> resolvconf: nameserver information handler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 58 kB, installed size 312 kB
 so, again. Does resolvconf not work?
[12:13] <Maximilian1st> merde
[12:13] <Maximilian1st> I see.
[12:14] <Jester45> in my xorg.cong i have 2 "Device" sections one has identifier "my card" driver "ati" busid "theid" the other section has the fglrx driver and 2 options videooverlay on and opengloverlay off whats the diffrence are they both needed whats the options is one faster?
[12:14] <Maximilian1st> !info resolvconf | Maximilian1st
[12:14] <ubotu> resolvconf: nameserver information handler. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.36ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 58 kB, installed size 312 kB
[12:14] <cellofellow> !bot
[12:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:15] <cellofellow> wrong one
[12:15] <cellofellow> !botabuse
[12:15] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:15] <Jester45> lol
[12:15] <Jester45> your making it do 2 times more work
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> Am I supposed to get some message here?
[12:16] <cellofellow> just don't overuse the ! stuff
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> ok
[12:17] <Jester45> anyone here know how to get a composite manger on an ati card? could you give some help or pointers becuase im so lost with all this xgl beryl this driver that driver
[12:17] <Jester45> !suff
[12:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:17] <Jester45> cellofellow: it doesnt work :)
[12:18] <Jester45> i couldnt resist i haver urges
[12:18] <cellofellow> Jester45: AIGLX won't work. It only works with nVidia at present I think. XGL should work though.
[12:18] <Maximilian1st> and intel
[12:18] <Jester45> o and what about hte default xfce one?
[12:19] <cellofellow> oh, that one's ok. A little buggy, kwin does better. No effects besides transparency.
[12:20] <Jester45> cellofellow: you seem to know that stuff pretty good would you like t walk me though this im very confused normaly i can pull stuff together but i dont understand all this stuff its reall confusing me
[12:21] <cellofellow> well, I tried XGL once upon a time. used the wiki. It didn't work for me and my old PC.
[12:21] <Jester45> to slow?
[12:21] <Jester45> bye
[12:21] <FifaFrazer> Hey, I've just started using lyX... How can i remove the auto-generated date below the title?  I've found a faq that tolds me to write some code in the preamble, but what is the preamble?
[12:21] <cellofellow> Yeah
[12:22] <cellofellow> lyX
[12:22] <cellofellow> dunno what that is.
[12:22] <Jester45> o what about having hte windows bend and stuff
[12:22] <Jester45> thats what i want hte most
[12:22] <Jester45> to bend the windows
[12:22] <cellofellow> Jester45: Beryl or Compiz. xfwm4 only does accelerated transparency.
[12:22] <mr_> @FifaFazer: The preambel is the head of a laytex document, which lyx is based upon
[12:22] <Jester45> ok
[12:23] <cellofellow> !xgl > Jester45
[12:23] <Jester45> beryl is the 3d cube desktop thing right?
[12:23] <crimsun> beryl is a community-based fork from compiz
[12:24] <crimsun> so, yes, "the 3d cube desktop thing"
[12:24] <Jester45> dang im so confused
[12:24] <Jester45> o ok
[12:24] <mr_> anyone could help me installing my pcmcia lan card?! It worked on damn small linux, but not under xubuntu?!
[12:26] <FifaFrazer> mr_, how can I edit it?
[12:26] <bradley_> hello! does anyone know how to downgrade a kernel?  my music playback went all wonky after i upgraded. i accidently had the 'proposed upgrade' repository  active.