=== tftb [n=tftb@85-194-224-103.wlannet.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:27] hello, newbie question about xfce shadows and such.. can anyone help? [12:28] !ask [12:28] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [12:28] :) [12:29] yeah, I'm trying to get the window manager to make my windows shadowy and all, but can't seem to get it working [12:29] I just installed xubuntu 6.10 on top of Ubuntu, which was a bit too slow for this old laptop I'm using [12:30] so I edited the etc/X11/xorg.conf -file, and put the composite enabled device there, but nothing happens [12:31] any help would be appreciated [12:31] if you can't understand what I'm saying, I'd be glad to clarify [12:33] tftb: you still don't have the 'compositor' tab in the window manager tweaks? [12:33] yeah, that's it [12:34] nothing there, no compositor [12:35] Am I correct in assuming that Xubuntu is supposed to have the composite manager by default? just by installing xubuntu-desktop from ubuntu? [12:35] ok, go to your ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/ [12:35] TheSheep, the receptop is zenity [12:36] tftb: and edit wmtweaks.xml [12:36] tftb: enable the compositor there [12:36] tftb: it should appear in the wm tweaks then [12:36] g333k_work: I don't understand? [12:38] TheSheep: I'm sorry, I don't know how to cd myself to a directory that has a dot in it.. I can't see it when I ls [12:39] tftb: enable 'show hidden files' in the menu [12:39] tftb: or in the open diologue, right-click on the file list and enable it there [12:43] TheSheep: I don't seem to have a file called wmtweaks.xml in the directory [12:43] tftb: ah, then run settings->window manager tweaks, and change some option [12:43] tftb: the file will be created [12:44] TheSheep: right you were! :) === lhtown [n=luke@66.98.2.212] has left #xubuntu [] [12:46] TheSheep: is it the "UseCompositing" switch? It has type="int" and value="0" [12:47] tftb: ues [12:47] yes [12:48] TheSheep: I changed it to "1". And now I'm guessing I have to reboot for it to take effect? [12:49] tftb: no [12:49] just close the wm tweaks and open again [12:50] TheSheep: So the compositor-tab should be visible now? It's not :( [12:51] weird [12:51] maybe it saved the xml file when you were closing it === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:51] sorry, didn't understand? [12:52] tftb: Check to make sure it changed [12:52] yeah, it's zero again! weird! [12:52] tftb: the wm tweaks must have saved it before you exited it [12:55] hmh. weird. now it IS "1" but still can't get the tab [12:56] tftb: you do have compositing enabled in xorg? [12:58] yeah... I wrote Section "Extensions" (enter) Option "Composite" "Enabled" (enter) EndSection [01:06] I'm gonna try if logging out helps. [01:07] I doubt it... === tftb [n=tftb@85-194-224-103.wlannet.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:09] TheSheep: Hooray! Thanks a lot! It worked [01:10] I'm so happy :) It's prrrrretty :) [01:13] I agree :) [01:15] unbelievable [01:17] What? :) [01:17] it should have worked without a login :/ [01:17] otoh, a restart of xfwm4 might be required... [01:20] To enable compositing? Yeah. [01:22] have you got this bug in xfwm4+gimp where your whole interface freezes if you brush a lot too quickly? [01:23] I saw a bug on launchpad [01:23] I reported it almost a year ago :( [01:23] and even explained what couses it [01:23] causes [01:23] What causes it? [01:24] Bug #61424 [01:24] Malone bug 61424 in xfwm4 "After painting several fast strokes in gimp, whole desktop freezes, not reacting to any clicks for several seconds." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61424 [01:24] somerville32: gimp feeds the icon updates to the xfwm4, so that the icon on the title bar is up-to-date [01:24] somerville32: oh, fix released? [01:25] ah, it's not in feisty yet :( [01:25] thanks! === b_52Free [n=skimo@adsl196-9-51-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [01:28] np === b_52Centos [n=skimo@adsl196-5-50-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu === madness [n=jfranji@83-131-30-234.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #xubuntu === ApexMB [n=Apex@cpc1-rdng9-0-0-cust839.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu === storkme [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === b_52Free [n=skimo@adsl196-193-37-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu === Jester45 [n=Jester45@207-119-236-139.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:42] how can i cheack my cpu speed [01:43] and im working on raising the FSB and i need to know if this will change AS THE CPU SPEED CHANGES [01:43] cat /etc/cpuinfo ? [01:43] errr... [01:43] cat /proc/cpuinfo [01:50] from graphic interface or command line ? [01:50] Jester45, ^^ [01:52] sorry [01:52] was out [01:52] what is FSB ? === Jester45 [n=Jester45@207-119-236-139.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:54] hi guys [01:54] Hi :) [01:55] just trying to get xubuntu on an old lappy but it seems to fail mounting the root at the install [01:55] keeps saying it cant write to the disk [01:56] Oh boy : ( [01:56] mhh [01:56] it did have a dodgy fisys on it [01:56] ok i have many questions but first, i got my usb working :0 it was somthing with the port on my mobo so i get a new usb pci card and all is good [01:56] ApexMB, Are you using the desktop or alternative cd? [01:56] Jester45, Thats good to hear :) [01:56] one 2gig fat16, 1 2gb allocation of free space and 16gb btfs [01:56] so i wiped the hd completely blank [01:57] and im running memtest [01:57] and somerville32 its the desktop x86 disc [01:57] second thing is on my mobo i have many pins with jumpers on them and one set is out in hte middle of no where not by the pci not the harddrive or the cpu it just there [01:57] ApexMB, So, how big is the disc all together? [01:57] almost 700mb [01:57] 685mb [01:58] i tried switching them hoping for a FSB upgrade for my cpu but i couldnt tell wuth just boot time so does anyone know how to check my cpu speed like the real speed of processing? [01:58] ApexMB: I mean your hard drive ;] [01:58] oh [01:58] 20gig [01:58] Jester45, That could easily kill your system === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-118-112.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:59] Jester45, And we don't provide support for overclocking due to associated risks [01:59] somerville32: or speed it up it just depends on the way to look at it [01:59] ApexMB: So you're already tried to install it and it didn't work? What partition did you try to install it to? [02:00] well its just on the launcher [02:00] somerville32: well i dont want suport for overcoaking exactly becuase i dont know what the pins do but im just trying ot get somthing for linux hat tell me my real cpu speed i will try the pin switching on my own [02:00] it eventually gets passed launcher [02:00] Jester45: /proc/cpuinfo contains the info === Commander-Crowe [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [02:00] but hangs up on the devicee driver check/preinstall [02:00] somerville32: if you want to pm me some ideas as to remove the "we" from it [02:00] ApexMB: Try using the alternative ISO [02:00] somerville32: so that will change is the speed changed [02:01] Jester4: I believe so, yes. [02:01] whats the difference? [02:01] ApexMB: text-based installer, more mature, etc. etc. [02:01] its running memtest right now [02:01] ApexMB: Ok, try again [02:01] ApexMB: how much RAAM do you have [02:01] ApexMB: If it doesn't work, try alternative ISO [02:01] i didnt see wether it used the launcher or not [02:01] 192mb [02:01] RAM* [02:01] ok i would use the alt install [02:01] ApexMB: What version of Xubuntu? [02:01] ya 192mb [02:01] it would be faster [02:02] x86 desktop [02:02] No, what version of Xubuntu [02:02] lol [02:02] becuase with texted based you dont load up as many things [02:02] ApexMB: drapper or edgy? [02:02] 6.06 Dapper? 6.10 Edgy? [02:02] dapper === Jester45 likes Drapper the most but likes upgrades better [02:03] ApexMB: 6.06 or 6.06.1? [02:03] 6.06.1 [02:04] ApexMB: There are some bugs with the live dkestop installer in that release. Just tell it to whip your entire drive and automatically setup partitions and you should be fine. [02:04] yeah i think it was just the real dodgy partitioning too === somerville32 nods. [02:04] Most likely :) [02:04] somerville32: could you use a firewire storage device to use as swap? [02:04] i thought the gui installer flashed up before getting to memtest [02:05] Jester45: I'm sure you could [02:05] if it did then that part is solved [02:06] somerville32: o fun im gonna try that and maybe a usb :) [02:06] in fstab what do I put for reiserfs [02:06] reiserfs [02:06] or maybe auto [02:06] if this doesnt work should i try alternate 6.10? [02:06] auto is a nice thing [02:06] ApexMB, Sure :) [02:06] if you wantg [02:07] ApexMB, Wait a sec. [02:07] ApexMB, Do you have some spare time to waste? :) [02:07] 10mb broadband ftw ;) [02:07] ok well im going ot brb after i switch some pins === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-147-38-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [02:07] sure somerville32 [02:07] niether auto or reiserfs work [02:08] ApexMB, We are testing our Alpha for the next release of Xubuntu. [02:08] ApexMB, Maybe you help test them out? :) [02:08] sure =D [02:08] !testing | ApexMB [02:08] ApexMB: For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current [02:08] as long as it downloads quick :P [02:08] hehe [02:09] ok well we'll see where this install goes, if its still being a butt, then ill try the alpha [02:09] aight [02:10] Thanks :) [02:10] the whole idea of the linux test is to sort of experience things i havent done yet [02:10] im having to learn it for work [02:10] Its really simple to test our ISOs [02:10] You just download, burn, and try to install [02:10] post-install, there is a list of tasks to try and complete [02:11] ie. Open a file in the text editor [02:11] ok [02:11] sounds pretty cool [02:13] ApexMB: if you have a pretty good computer you can run linux inside of windows so you dont have to burn but... you cant install from that but it might help you pick what type of linux [02:15] i dont really think theres much difference for consumer-prosumer distros [02:16] Its the small stuff [02:16] It all looks the same [02:16] but under the hood there are lots of differences [02:16] heh [02:16] i guess [02:17] youd have thought by now someone wouldve broken off and made the gui something way different [02:19] There are a few L[ [02:19] But people don't like change [02:19] hehe [02:20] hehe [02:20] whats that full 3d thing? [02:20] x-something === Jester45 [n=Jester45@207-119-236-139.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu === maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:21] i droped my cpy down by .02 mhz [02:21] so slow :) [02:21] not bad [02:21] brb again [02:22] Jester45 is trying to overclock his cpu [02:22] overclock? ... why? [02:22] XGL! [02:22] thats it [02:22] I hope he read some documentation first. [02:23] Otherwise, I give him an 80% chance of bricking his computer. [02:23] i hope he frags it to learn a lesson [02:23] ApexMB: you don't need an overclocked cpu for xgl ... just aiglx and a compatible vid card and the updated drivers [02:24] maxamillion: That works too. ^^ [02:24] oh i wouldnt be able to do it on this POS laptop [02:24] lol [02:24] i don't like software emulation of 3d effects ... it just bothers me that my cpu is wasting cycles on things that aren't necessary [02:27] maxamillion, My cpu is never wasting cycles === somerville32 has a 333mhz === ApexMB has a faster cpu than somerville32 [02:27] :P [02:27] 400mhz [02:27] OoOoo :) [02:27] P2 [02:28] designed for Windows 98 === Pirate-King [n=tjdel01@daphmb01dc1-217-95.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:28] Mine too [02:28] :] [02:29] err.. [02:29] hey somerville32 [02:29] Designed for Xubuntu! :) === Jester45 [n=Jester45@72-161-59-80.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:29] Heya Pirate-King : ) [02:29] i heard that fedora 7 is going to intro a low level distro like xubuntu [02:29] JKnife runs beryl on an AMD K6-2 350Mhz w/ 192mb of ram because he uses an AIGLX compatible graphics card and the updated drivers ... says he only suffers an average of about 12mb more ram usage too [02:29] sort of divide itself into specofic areas like ubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu [02:30] somerville32: i squezzed out 305.6more mhz so it was worth it [02:30] Wow! [02:30] Jester45: Make sure you got good cooling! [02:30] Do you have a cpu heat monitor? [02:30] ApexMB: please re-word yourself ... xubuntu is not a "low level distro" [02:30] lol [02:30] somerville32: yes ... my hand [02:30] + ;] [02:30] Jester45: CPUs are always hot [02:30] i meant a distro designed to work with low end machines and thin clients [02:30] low usage distro [02:31] lol [02:31] a.k.a. low wastage distro [02:31] still very new to this [02:32] literally started on wed on a training course [02:32] wonder why I would have trouble with x server [02:32] ApexMB: try Damn Small Linux its pretty cool [02:32] on an old machine [02:33] Pirate-King, What do you have? :) [02:33] ApexMB, Stick with Xubuntu. Xubuntu rocks :) [02:33] well i had a little play with ubuntu a long time ago so i thought id try this first [02:33] somerville32: how much is "good cooling" i got 4 fans that seems to work [02:33] i ran it as the main os on sisters laptop [02:33] Jester45: Check the cpu temp [02:33] never had to reformat it again [02:34] :) [02:34] somerville32: not to hot [02:34] somerville32: my hand isnt burning so its all good [02:34] ApexMB: i run xubuntu on an Athlon64 3200+ w/ 1gb of ram at home and an Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb of ram on my workstation in my office .... xubuntu is about choice and efficiency .... but yes, it is "more suited" for a low end machine then ubuntu or kubuntu, but that isn't its purpose [02:34] sister likes to wander onto sites with downloadable toolbars and silly icons and the like === somerville32 nods. [02:34] ApexMB, I hear yeah [02:35] soon as ubuntu was on with firefox and flash, boom [02:35] all solved [02:35] /me uses add block only see ads once then block the whole add site [02:35] Jester45: So you use... Windows? :P [02:35] humm [02:35] sometimes [02:36] linux install and muse playing... geek heaven :P [02:36] i use windows [02:36] on main machine === somerville32 uses Xubuntu exclusively. [02:36] video editor [02:36] whole Avid/Adobe setup [02:36] i also run Mac OS X === Jester45 uses debian xubuntu win xp and has tried vista for 5 minutes [02:36] for main work [02:37] on a mac, obviously :P [02:37] no hackintosh here === Jester45 will stick to win xp, vista is no good [02:37] hackintosh? running mac os on a pc? [02:38] yes [02:38] i tried it, it worked out terribly [02:38] doesnt feel like a mac [02:38] ApexMB: wait ... did you post on the forums about dual booting hackintosh? [02:38] preferences and permissions are alllll over the place [02:39] no [02:39] at least i dont think so [02:39] i want a 180mm fan [02:39] oh .. ok, because someone posted and it had like 110 views but no replies, so i replied :) [02:39] lol [02:39] link [02:39] ? [02:39] ApexMB: lemme go search for it ... [02:39] and can i quit memtest at any time or do i need to waif for it [02:40] what up all [02:40] somerville32: can you fill a case with thermal paste? as a colling system and remove all fans [02:40] ApexMB: i was wrong ... only ~70 views ... but still ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=334959&highlight=hackintosh [02:40] ... Jester45 [02:40] Jester45: Hell no. [02:40] no [02:41] Jester45: Thermal paste doesn't cool it down :P [02:41] why not it sounds good to me [02:41] are you sure [02:41] Yes. [02:41] why put it on processors [02:42] improve connectivity [02:42] or thermal connectivity [02:42] between what === Commander-Crowe [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [02:42] cpu and heatsink [02:42] too much thermal paste can burn out the cpu [02:42] like as in transfer heat faster? as in transfer heat from inside ther case to outside [02:43] its meant as a thin stopgap so theres no gaps inbetween the 2 [02:43] Jester45: these are things you should have thought about before overclocking your cpu [02:43] nah this is hanging at the "mounting root file system" again [02:43] im not worried about coolage [02:43] hdc: drive not ready for command [02:43] any of you use the new nvidia driver [02:44] Jester45: you're not worried about cooling your cpu after you just overclocked it? [02:44] i got a psu fan a fan on cpu heatsink and fan on the gpu heatsink and a intake fane === b_52Free [n=skimo@adsl196-250-34-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [02:44] maxamillion: nope [02:44] magic_ninja: yeah, i use the new 9xxx nvidia driver at work, what's up? [02:44] Jester45: glhf [02:44] Jester45: lol man [02:44] tanks for the gl and i will always hf [02:45] maxamillion: having a few probs getting it installed....isn't the nvidia driver on backports? [02:45] i will cool itsself :0 [02:45] lol [02:45] magic_ninja: don't think so, i had to add in a third party repository i found on the wiki.beryl-project.com site [02:45] it can only get so hot [02:45] ohh, ok, i know what ur talking about [02:45] ive had PJ64 running Zelda minimised for 5 days === maxamillion searches for tom's hardware flash video of cpu's lighting on fire due to lack of proper cooling [02:46] that video is a classic [02:46] magic_ninja: try this.. http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html [02:46] i wanna see [02:46] and the one where they fry eggs on it [02:47] it might be the same video === Jester45 doesnt care much [02:47] how muc more is 1ghz to 1.3 like 30% right [02:47] yes [02:47] might overheat i will turn it dowen a bit then [02:48] all the pins whre on the low side i switched them all to max [02:48] im really surprised at the core 2 duo e6600 [02:48] you can overclock it to over 60-80% on stock cooling [02:48] cool [02:48] still runs in the safe [02:49] those things are damn near perfect [02:49] my cooling system is perfect for fans [02:49] its use each other nicly [02:50] nicely [02:50] Jester45: http://www.tomshardware.com/site/videos/thg_videos-01.html .... enjoy :) [02:51] i will [02:51] hummm [02:51] ApexMB: yeah ... i'm faithful to amd but i can't lie ... intel is kicking hind parts and taking names right now [02:51] any guess on how many computers i have messed up in my life time? === Jester45 nots the right now part === MagicFab_ [n=magicfab@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #xubuntu [02:52] Jester45: huh? === magicfab__ [n=magicfab@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #xubuntu === MagicFab_ [n=magicfab@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #xubuntu === Tox [n=Toxiz@89.116.27.187] has joined #xubuntu [02:54] maxamillion, im getting an error "hdc: drive not ready for command" on the boot, trying to look at the forums but theres only answers like switching the master and slave, but scince im on a laptop, i cant do that [02:54] any ideas? [02:54] what is default file browser in xubuntu ? i mean in kubuntu konqueror in ubuntu nautilus, xubuntu - ? [02:55] notes* [02:55] of what you said [02:55] Tox: Thunar [02:55] im guessing its video 1 right? === tftb [n=tftb@85-194-224-103.wlannet.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:55] tnx! [02:56] just one question ... is it better than konqueror ? [02:56] Tox: of course! [02:56] Tox: we would be using kde otherwise [02:56] well... its in xubuntu so yes its better [02:56] why if not a secret ? :) sorry .. [02:57] Tox: it's fast, has nice and simple interface, does exactly what we need [02:57] its xubuntuish [02:57] Tox: and doesn't use any additional kde or gnome libs [02:57] Jester45: i think each of those videos has something light on fire ... don't remember though [02:58] Jester45: no ... yeah, i think its 1 === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-20-13.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:58] i need only to see all files how to say in ms windows (forgive me father :) ) view .. [02:59] Tox: what? [02:59] i mean i nned detailed view, preview and other good stuf in file browser [03:00] Tox: Right [03:00] You can do that :) [03:00] konq and nautilus dont have it i mean like in ms win explorer view [03:00] Tox: All three do [03:00] something like that [03:00] right [03:01] Tox: They all support icon and list view [03:01] 6.10 text install seems to be ok [03:01] side panel and file view ? [03:01] maybe a bug in 6.06 [03:01] Tox: Konq has a context menu, yes. [03:02] hmmm [03:03] hmm [03:03] ok i'd try thunar .. thx [03:03] the installers stalled [03:03] ApexMB: alternate cd? [03:03] yes [03:03] ApexMB: 85%? [03:03] just after the cd drive detection [03:04] no its not even got to the install yet [03:04] oh ... nvm, not the bug i was thinking of [03:04] asked for keyboard select [03:04] then it searched for cdrom [03:04] now its stalled [03:05] is there a cron expression for "3rd last day of the month" ? [03:05] Whats a 3rd last day? lol [03:06] 3rd to the last day [03:06] Isn't there only one last day of a month in a month? lol [03:06] like 2 days b4 the last day [03:06] its not liking this cdrom module [03:06] as in 3 days b4 the laft [03:06] close [03:06] like, really throwing a hissy fit at it [03:06] dude those cpus where cookin [03:07] 360 thats a bit hot [03:07] told ya [03:07] can it be done? [03:07] owned it [03:07] darrend, I imagine [03:07] GAH [03:07] it kicked in [03:08] this cdrom doesnt contain a release file [03:08]