[12:15] <linux-mac> there must be some thign wrong here
[12:15] <linux-mac> thing*
[12:15] <malik_> okiu found it how to do in yahoo mail help
[12:15] <revolution27> linux-mac: that never happened to me
[12:15] <leiar> how do i install thunderbird?
[12:15] <revolution27> my apps always show up after i install
[12:15] <linux-mac> well how u get programs u installed to show afther on desk and k menu revolution ?
[12:16] <todd_> leiar, use synaptic
[12:16] <linux-mac> couse here it dosen't
[12:16] <linux-mac> i nead reboot
[12:16] <linux-mac> to show em
[12:16] <leiar> todd: I use apt-get ..
[12:16] <spitwise> linux-mac: that only has happened to me with one app
[12:17] <linux-mac> maby some thing is wrong then couse does to every one here to me
[12:17] <JP_P_home> hello
[12:17] <linux-mac> i rember suse and fedora doing it in auto
[12:18] <JP_P_home> stdin> i have some news for my network printer
[12:18] <intelikey> that oddity may only be reproducable on tty1   i haven't gotten it to work on other tty's    still testing.
[12:18] <JP_P_home> all i try to print become blocked in the job list
[12:18] <todd_> leiar, I like how synaptic gets everything to make each package work, so I stopped using apt-get
[12:19] <will> how do I test my video card?
[12:19] <will> Its still alggy
[12:19] <will> Where is a video card driver database?
[12:19] <aseigo> but then, i hate dialog boxes
[12:19] <aseigo> and arrows hiding important bits of the interface
[12:20] <dawn> lol
[12:20] <todd_> yeah, yer right
[12:21] <dawn> I have a new Dell dimension C521 ~$350 NEw that I just installed Edgy onto, took like a charm
[12:21] <todd_> I'm gonna go type some text into my konsole now and probably break something
[12:23] <intelikey> todd_ not as likely if you start with  echo << EOF
[12:23] <leiar> todd: Instelled synaptic. Looks greate.
[12:23] <revolution27> i'm about to pick my brain out cell by cell... this nvidia problem is driving me up the wall
[12:24] <intelikey> !ati
[12:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:24] <revolution27> or maybe i'll just  post on the forums
[12:24] <revolution27> intellikey:believe me i've been through that link many times
[12:25] <I-04> question:  i compiled gaim 2.0beta5 by myself, but adept thinks the 1.5 version in the repos is "newer" how can i prevent it from installing 1.5 over beta5 when i dist-upgrade?
[12:25] <intelikey> ok.   believe me, i never install propritary software
[12:26] <leiar> todd: I insstalled thunderbird in synaptic. I chose my language, which is Norwegian, but got it in English. Thunderbird-locale-nb. Any comment to enlighten me?
[12:29] <todd_> hmmmm, sorry, unfortunately no comment
[12:33] <todd_> dinnertime, bye
[12:46] <Mofassa> hey hey
[12:47] <Mofassa> I'm not sure if anyone can help me here - but I'm currently running a tablet pc - and am thinking of trying out a linux distro...have done some googling, but just wondering if anyone's had experience with it
[12:49] <francois> hey all, i keep forgeting which nvidia drivers i should be using from the site, the IA32, or the IA64 ?
[12:50] <K`zan> ANyone oknow where the mplayer additional codecs (essential-20061022.tar.bz2) go under ubuntu?
[12:51] <fdoving> francois: ia32 i belive.. if you don't have a 64bit super processor.
[12:51] <francois> fdoving: ok thanks, much ablidged
[12:52] <francois> i just upgraded to the latest packages, and now wine crashed my display, anyone else have the same problem ?
[12:58] <toulouse> hey guys, when i boot up, my filesystem check fails what should i do???
[01:00] <K`zan> /usr/local/lib/win32 and xv works!!
[01:00] <toulouse> huh
[01:02] <hermanni> hello
[01:02] <toulouse> hi
[01:03] <hermanni> how can i listen mp3 usin ubuntu
[01:03] <ScarFreewill> !cli
[01:03] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:03] <pat__> !mp3
[01:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:03] <pat__> !ipod
[01:03] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[01:08] <hermanni> thanx'
[01:09] <snowrichard> tstorms -- bye
[01:12] <drbair> I'm looking to install kubuntu on a premade LVM2 on RAID0 setup. Can the standard kubuntu or server installer do this?
[01:15] <joecoder> how to create a symbolic link in konqueror?
[01:15] <arkanabar> I'm about to install, and would like suggestions on which directories should have their own partitions.
[01:15] <joecoder> not just a shortuct link, but actually take a folder and make it expandable?
[01:16] <intelikey> joecoder mmm use the terminal emulator feature ?
[01:16] <joecoder> I thought I've done it before through the gui
[01:17] <intelikey> joecoder maybe so....   cli is so easy there.   ln -s /path/name /path/linkname
[01:17] <joecoder> thanks
[01:18] <intelikey> not saying that konq can't do it.  i just wouldn't know howto
[01:23] <e1> did the newest beryl svn update remove .jpg support?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> e1: ask in #beryl
[01:27] <arkanabar> somebody suggested that root and /home deserved separate partitions, and maybe boot as well.  Any opinions?
[01:32] <frootstripe> hi ppl - i need to uninstall a mozilla thunderbird extension, but i can
[01:33] <frootstripe> find the extensions folders
[01:34] <arkanabar> Should I have separate partitions for /home, /boot, and /
[01:41] <kkosmo> !mp3
[01:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:43] <arkanabar> !boot partition
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boot partition - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <arkanabar> !/home
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about home - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <arkanabar> #join ubuntu
[01:47] <jmichaelx> can anyone tell me if they know of a good graphical calculator for linux? i need one for a pre-calc class i am taking
[01:48] <jmichaelx> i should have said 'graphing calculator'
[01:52] <jmichaelx> have any had problems with broadcom wireless adapters after upgrading to edgy?
[01:53] <intelikey> jmichaelx apt-cache search calculator
[01:54] <jmichaelx> intelikey: does that just search the enabled repos?
[01:54] <intelikey> yes
[01:55] <jmichaelx> ok... i was looking through them earlier, and did not see anything that looked like a graphing calculator, although i may have missed it/them
[01:56] <intelikey> may not be anything but that's the way to check.  if i had the info on hand i'd share it with you.
[01:57] <jmichaelx> once again, i appreciate the help, intelikey
[01:59] <intelikey> of the 79 things that lists only a few look like they might be related to what you are looking for.
[02:00] <intelikey> graphmonkey - a GTK#-based graphing calculator
[02:00] <intelikey> libticalcs4 - provides functions to communicate with TI calculators
[02:00] <sleepy423> !java
[02:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:00] <intelikey> sc - Text-based spreadsheet with VI-like keybindings
[02:00] <intelikey> snac - complete algebraic calculator for GNOME
[02:00] <jmichaelx> intelikey: ty i had just found and installed graphmonkey :-D
[02:05] <Rob-West> http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010003wu2.jpg
[02:06] <Rob-West> thats not a porn link
[02:09] <NDPowerBook> Rob-West: So whats going on in that pic?
[02:12] <phillijw> i set up my wifi with ndiswrapper butu when I do iwlist eth1 scan it says no scan results
[02:15] <jaguar> #kubuntu-es
[02:20] <bartist> hello everybody
[02:20] <leiar> part
[02:20] <bartist> my pc's sound is messed up
[02:20] <bartist> sometimes it works, sometimes it don't
[02:20] <phillijw> where can I get kubuntu support
[02:21] <phillijw> this doenst seem to be the right place
[02:21] <soulrider> hi
[02:21] <bartist> I've tried this: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[02:21] <intelikey> phillijw why is this not the right place ?
[02:22] <intelikey> !sound | bartist
[02:22] <ubotu> bartist: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[02:22] <soulrider> bartist: you can also do "sudo aptitude purg <packages>"
[02:22] <bartist> followed by this: sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[02:22] <soulrider> hey intelikey, hows it going ?
[02:22] <intelikey> well
[02:22] <intelikey> and you
[02:23] <bartist> sudo aptitude purg = sudo apt-get --purge?
[02:23] <soulrider> yes bartist
[02:23] <soulrider> im good intelikey :)
[02:23] <intelikey> bartist yes.     and so you've reinstalled the apps  try the link ^
[02:23] <phillijw> i set up my wifi with ndiswrapper butu when I do iwlist eth1 scan it says no scan results
[02:23] <bartist> well the purge and reinstall usualy worked for me
[02:24] <bartist> but not now
[02:24] <intelikey> !wifi | phillijw
[02:24] <ubotu> phillijw: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:24] <intelikey> been there ^ ?
[02:28] <joshy> anyone here uses vmware workstation
[02:28] <phillijw> i've looked at that documentation
[02:29] <joshy> i've get a n error messege when i want to start a virtual machine
[02:29] <joshy> Unable to change virtual machine power state: Failed to connect to peer process.
[02:30] <intelikey> phillijw with any luck you might help in #ubuntu   there isn't anyone here right now.  seems that this is the quietest i've ever seen this channel.
[02:30] <phillijw> ya :\
[02:30] <phillijw> WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPhehehe
[02:44] <TuuBB> Was wondering if anyone could help. I'm trying to install Kubuntu for dual-booting with XP. I've got XP installed on the first primary partition (ntfs, 30gb), I then allocated for a 130ish gb FAT32 partition (that I'd like to be accessible from both OSs). I tried to install Kubuntu on the remainding unpartitioned space - all seemed fine during install process - but it gave me an error (17 iirc) when trying to select ubuntu from grub
[02:45] <TuuBB> I'm sure there's a simpler way to implement what it is that I'm wanting to do: XP, Kubuntu, media/data - any pointers?
[02:45] <bubu1uk> TuuBB: is it hda harddrive? all partitions on one disk?
[02:46] <TuuBB> It's a SATA drive, all partitions on the one disk
[02:46] <phillijw> anyone know how to turn my wireless on with a dell inspiron 8600. i think my key combos are being blcoked by kubuntu
[02:50] <TuuBB> Any ideas, bubu1uk?
[03:01] <bubu1uk> TuuBB: not really, dont know much bout SATA. had similar problem with external hdd (either that i dont remember exact error i got). but dont know much bout ur problem.
[03:01] <TuuBB> Ah ok, ty anyway
[03:09] <K`zan> kuickshow - not in ubuntu ?!?
[03:12] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, I just installed Kubuntu on my slave, whenever I boot up without the live cd, it gives me a grub 18 error
[03:12] <K-Ryan> What's wrong and how do I fix it? =(
[03:13] <K-Ryan> Anyone know what Grub 18 error is?
[03:13] <K-Ryan> I get it on startup
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Hello? Anyone know what grub 18 error is?
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Anyone at all?
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Can nobody help me?
[03:18] <K-Ryan> Helloooooooooooo!? Grub 18 error, anyone?
[03:21] <arkanabar> The channel doesn't really pay too much attention right now.
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Why not?
[03:21] <K-Ryan> I got all the help in the world last night at 1 in the morning.
[03:22] <arkanabar> I've asked a couple of times about multiple partitions for /home and /boot and /root but got no response
[03:22] <arkanabar> I get the feeling that most of the users are actually just botted in right now and not reading the channel
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Found what my problem is
[03:23] <K-Ryan> How I'm going to fix it I have no f'ing idea. =(
[03:24] <K-Ryan> arkanabar do you know how I could make a small /boot partition?
[03:25] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: what u mean small /boot partition? same way as any other partion
[03:25] <bubu1uk> *partition
[03:26] <arkanabar> The question I have is how do I tell the installer to put /boot or /home or / onto separate partitions?
[03:26] <bubu1uk> arkanabar: in installer u choosed to manually create partitions?
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Sorry went to ask my friend if he knew.
[03:27] <K-Ryan> Well my problem is a Grub 18 error
[03:27] <K-Ryan> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[03:27] <DaSkreech> Heeeelllloooo :)
[03:27] <K-Ryan> I'm not positive what that solution wants me to do.
[03:28] <arkanabar> Actually, I haven't installed yet.  This is a new machine with a Win2k partition that I can't get to connect....
[03:28] <arkanabar> I did use manual partitions on the old machine, but I figured I'd do the guided setup this time.
[03:29] <K-Ryan> I did too...
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, reinstall I guess
[03:29] <K-Ryan> But how could I make a boot, and a partition for just stuff?
[03:29] <arkanabar> bubu1uk?
[03:29] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: according to that wiki page, i think u just have to setup /boot partition within first 1023 cylinders.
[03:29] <K-Ryan> What do the cylinders mean?
[03:29] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: so somewhere in beginnin of hdd.
[03:29] <K-Ryan> I'm good with a computer, but I'm not positive what that means
[03:30] <K-Ryan> It should be in the beginning I did the guided setup thing
[03:30] <K-Ryan> And it's complete Kubuntu
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Nothing else
[03:30] <bubu1uk> arkanabar: if u'll go for quided setup, i think it will create only swap and /
[03:30] <K-Ryan> So I'm going to open up the installer again, any tips?
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Besides manually setting this up
[03:30] <arkanabar> thanks.  How would I get the manual setup to actually use the extra partitions for /home and /boot?
[03:31] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: just one OS? no dual?
[03:31] <K-Ryan> This HDD will be for Kubuntu
[03:31] <K-Ryan> What I really want though
[03:32] <bubu1uk> arkanabar: well. in manual setup u first create partitions, then (i think next page) it will give u options to setup mount points for partitions. quiet simple setup
[03:32] <K-Ryan> About 10GB for Kubuntu space, 1GB swap, and about the rest for a fat32 partition I guess
[03:32] <K-Ryan> Because I have Windows on a different HDD
[03:32] <K-Ryan> And still need space for Windows because it's my main
[03:32] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: windows on primary, kubuntu secondary hdd?
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Yes
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Because the Windows one is only like 8GB due to complications...
[03:33] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: what kinda hdd is secondary one?
[03:34] <K-Ryan> 160GB slave
[03:34] <bubu1uk> SATA?
[03:34] <K-Ryan> ?
[03:34] <bubu1uk> ehm, not sure, but u might need to put /boot in primary hdd. ur bios might not support that
[03:35] <bubu1uk> what ur' tryin to do.
[03:35] <K-Ryan> I want Kubuntu =(
[03:35] <K-Ryan> As a secondary OS
[03:35] <bubu1uk> i want new car. :p
[03:35] <K-Ryan> Except my want is able to be done right now as we speak
[03:35] <bubu1uk> just put /boot on primary.
[03:35] <bubu1uk> rest can be on secondary.
[03:35] <K-Ryan> how big should it be though?
[03:36] <bubu1uk> 128 MB should be enough.
[03:36] <bubu1uk> as far as i remember.
[03:36] <K-Ryan> Are you kidding me!?!?!
[03:36] <K-Ryan> That's great!
[03:36] <bubu1uk> yes, kiddin.
[03:36] <bubu1uk> lol
[03:36] <bubu1uk> it is true.
[03:37] <bubu1uk> boot has only grub and kernel.
[03:37] <K-Ryan> Which is? I'm not familiar with that
[03:37] <bubu1uk> rest is handeld in /
[03:37] <bubu1uk> with what?
[03:38] <K-Ryan> What's Kernal and Grub?
[03:38] <bubu1uk> u get grub 18 error and dont know what grub is?
[03:38] <K-Ryan> No, I googled the error
[03:38] <bubu1uk> kernel is base of system.
[03:38] <K-Ryan> Grub is the selection screen I guess?
[03:39] <bubu1uk> grub is boot manager (i think it's called like that)
[03:39] <bubu1uk> am not best in english. lol
[03:39] <K-Ryan> The thing that says "Windows or Kubuntu?"
[03:39] <bubu1uk> yup
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Ah okay
[03:39] <bubu1uk> it just allowes u to choose which OS to run. basicaly kernel of which os.
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Kernal is the base to the OS
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Yes?
[03:40] <bubu1uk> yes, like heart of human body.
[03:40] <bubu1uk> :)
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Alright
[03:41] <bubu1uk> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[03:41] <bubu1uk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computer_science)
[03:41] <DaSkreech> HI BluesKaj
[03:41] <DaSkreech> HI nikkiana
[03:41] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[03:42] <hybrid> hola
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Hu Jucato
[03:43] <K-Ryan> Hello again Jucato
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Wow feels like I haven't been here in a while :)
[03:43] <bubu1uk> DaSkreech: lol
[03:43] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:43] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech , Jucato
[03:43] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[03:43] <Jucato> hi K-Ryan
[03:44] <Jucato> hi BluesKaj
[03:44] <bubu1uk> Hi Jucato
[03:44] <bubu1uk> :p
[03:44] <DaSkreech> I was just hinking if being friendly can get us O-Ted
[03:44] <hybrid> OMG Jucato !@!!!@#!@@(*#($*&@
[03:44] <hybrid> ;D
[03:44] <Jucato> hi bubu1uk
[03:44] <DaSkreech> eleven!
[03:44] <Jucato> lol! :)
[03:44] <Jucato> hy hybrid :)
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Hey!! Not Punny!
[03:45] <Jucato> :P
[03:45] <DaSkreech> so What's the best way to rip DVDs?
[03:45] <phobiac> Okay, I'm having an issue with java in firefox, which is far from shocking. Anyway, firefox thinks there's a file where there isn't one and I can't figure out what's pointing it to that file.
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Hey phobiac
[03:46] <phobiac> It's looking for /usr/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so
[03:46] <phobiac> Hey K-Ryan
[03:46] <arkanabar> So, if I want to install /boot and / and /home to separate partitions, how do I get the installer to do that?
[03:46] <phobiac> Have you install Kubuntu on that drive of yours yet?
[03:47] <Jucato> you choose a particular partition, then set it to mount to /boot, then another to /
[03:47] <K-Ryan> Yes I just did, backed up my music at last
[03:47] <bubu1uk> arkanabar: u create partitions for each mount point. then u just choose which to be what
[03:47] <K-Ryan> Except I got a grub 18 error
[03:47] <K-Ryan> Which I'm trying to fix now
[03:47] <arkanabar> Well I guess I'll just give it a shot.  Off to install.......
[03:47] <phobiac> Hmm, did you install windows on the drive after Kubuntu?
[03:47] <K-Ryan> Nope, trying to leave Windows there
[03:48] <K-Ryan> As I reinstalled tons of times over the summer because I didn't know my hdd was failing
[03:48] <DaSkreech> ubotu needs a grep <factoid> | less functio
[03:48] <Mace68> is it possible to set up raid arrays when installing kubuntu 6.10?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Mace68: Only with Alternate AFAIK
[03:48] <Mace68> is that a live dvd option?
[03:48] <phobiac> Hmm, only issue I ever had was with the windows boot manager installing over grub.
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Mace68: I'm not sure but I think that may work as well
[03:49] <DaSkreech>  Does teh DVD have the alternate option?
[03:49] <Mace68> not sure, i just let it go to the desktop
[03:49] <DaSkreech>  in related queries :) How dod you rip a DVD?
[03:49] <K-Ryan> I need a new DVD drive, mine is stuck shut...
[03:49] <Mace68> i'll have to reboot and check
[03:49] <Mace68> ooh, no fun
[03:50] <K-Ryan> Hey umm, what's an extended partition do?
[03:50] <Mace68> well i might be back ;)
[03:50] <K-Ryan> I setup an ext3 for boot which should work hopefully
[03:51] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: nothing extra, except that u can have only 4 primary partitions.
[03:51] <K-Ryan> Now I want to setup a partition for space, and Swap
[03:51] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: ext3 is ok for /boot
[03:51] <phobiac> An extended partition is a partition that you can further partition if I remember correctly.
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Mace68: wHAT KIND OF raid?
[03:52] <phobiac> Like bubu1uk said, you can only have four so if for some reason you need any more you can set up an extended partition and partition that.
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I need to get rid of my old one. Want it?
[03:52] <Jucato> definitely not!!!
[03:54] <K-Ryan> Quick question, my friend has Ubuntu installed, can he overwrite it with Kubuntu and it will still work?
[03:55] <phobiac> K-Ryan, probably just easier to install kubuntu-desktop
[03:55] <K-Ryan> But he needs to get rid of Ubuntu
[03:55] <phobiac> Is it being buggy or does he just not want Ubuntu?
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Internet is being buggy on it
[03:56] <K-Ryan> I've got him wired in, but in Ubuntu it doesn't work
[03:56] <K-Ryan> So I popped in a Kubuntu live cd, and it works
[03:56] <K-Ryan> So we want to swap em
[03:56] <bubu1uk> that's more likely config problem then desktop.
[03:56] <phobiac> Hmm, well I've had issues with setting up wire connection in ubuntu. It's easy enough to fix.
[03:57] <phobiac> wired*
[03:57] <K-Ryan> It's also a laptop
[03:57] <phobiac> Usually it's able to fix itself if you have it plugged in and reboot.
[03:57] <K-Ryan> We tried
[03:58] <phobiac> Odd. Well there's two ways to do it. Either wipe the drive with the CD which seems a bit overkill or just install kubuntu-desktop then uninstall all the ubuntu packages.
[03:58] <K-Ryan> Well if I install kubuntu
[03:58] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: or just try kubuntu-destop, and if u'll be after reinstallin do it later.
[03:59] <K-Ryan> What do I have to do to remove Ubuntu?
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Because we want it wiped off his laptop
[03:59] <bubu1uk> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <bubu1uk> is one of the solutions
[04:00] <phobiac> No, you want to purge ubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <K-Ryan> I want it wiped
[04:00] <bubu1uk> ah, right. ;)
[04:01] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: wiped in meaning of formating it?
[04:01] <K-Ryan> I want Ubuntu OFF
[04:01] <K-Ryan> And Kubuntu ON
[04:01] <K-Ryan> Black and white, just like that
[04:02] <phobiac> K-Ryan: The installing kubuntu-desktop then purging ubuntu-desktop will be easier.
[04:02] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: phobiac told u there are more ways to do it.
[04:02] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: not just black and white. maybe even grey. lol
[04:02] <K-Ryan> Just tell me what I should do, steps please =P
[04:02] <K-Ryan> I need it gone period
[04:02] <bubu1uk> sudo apt-get isntall kubuntu-desktop
[04:02] <bubu1uk> *install
[04:03] <phobiac> K-Ryan: On ubuntu, open the command line.
[04:03] <K-Ryan> Ok hold on, let me put him in Ubuntu
[04:03] <phobiac> Type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <bubu1uk> sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <phobiac> Okay
[04:03] <phobiac> ^ That step is last
[04:03] <bubu1uk> of course. told him install first. lol. hope he got it. ;)
[04:03] <phobiac> There's still the step of restarting.
[04:04] <DaSkreech> bubu1uk: Fairly certain aht doesn't work :)
[04:04] <bubu1uk> :)
[04:04] <bubu1uk> dunno exactly. never had to do that. have both on mine. ;)
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Yeah he just handed me his laptop
[04:04] <DaSkreech> bubu1uk: try to apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:05] <K-Ryan> And threatened to castrate me if I screw his Windows up
[04:05] <phobiac> K-Ryan: You logged into ubuntu yet?
[04:05] <K-Ryan> So please, for the sake of my future children, DON'T LET ME SCREW UP
[04:05] <phobiac> This won't touch windows.
[04:05] <K-Ryan> No, he went to get his charger for his laptop
[04:05] <bubu1uk> DaSkreech: i dont need to. wanna have both.
[04:05] <phobiac> Okay, tell me when you are.
[04:05] <K-Ryan> I'm logging onto it now...
[04:06] <DaSkreech> bubu1uk: If it removes a bunch of stuff it will ask you if you are sure
[04:06] <DaSkreech> bubu1uk: Just say no :)
[04:08] <K-Ryan> terminal is up
[04:09] <DaSkreech> K-Ryan: Lets try Sudo aptitude purge ubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <K-Ryan> Umm, purge ubuntu from within ubuntu?
[04:09] <phobiac> Not yet
[04:09] <phobiac> No no no
[04:09] <phobiac> Install kubuntu first
[04:09] <phobiac> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <bubu1uk> DaSkreech: dont think he installed kubuntu yet
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[04:09] <K-Ryan> His internet isn't working, so should I just pop the CD in?
[04:10] <phobiac> Oh wait, forgot about that.
[04:10] <K-Ryan> Yeah...
[04:10] <DaSkreech> bubu1uk: doesn't need to
[04:10] <bubu1uk> lol. me too.
[04:10] <DaSkreech> He can install it from the command line
[04:10] <phobiac> Hmm, I doubt the kubuntu packages are in the ubuntu CD.
[04:10] <K-Ryan> I have a Kubuntu CD
[04:10] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee. How does it go?
[04:11] <K-Ryan> 5 actually...
[04:11] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Want to attempt fixing the internet? I can tell you what I did.
[04:11] <bubu1uk> phobiac: won't he have to setup repos?
[04:11] <bubu1uk> phobiac: for that CD
[04:11] <K-Ryan> Well preferably if we could get his wireless to work, that would be great
[04:11] <yan> is there a PPTP app for Kubuntu?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> K-Ryan: You have a desktop CD?
[04:11] <K-Ryan> Aye
[04:11] <phobiac> Hmm, I wonder if the wireless assistant is on the CD.
[04:12] <phobiac> I don't know how to get things to install from the CD.
[04:12] <K-Ryan> Well I'm talking if we could just setup wireless in normal Ubuntu
[04:12] <K-Ryan> If that's possible
[04:12] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it goes
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee:  :)
[04:13] <phobiac> K-Ryan: It should be if you can get the right package from the CD.
[04:13] <phobiac> ANyone know how to go about doing that?
[04:14] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: is ur wireless card recognized at least?
[04:14] <K-Ryan> Don't know
[04:14] <K-Ryan> He says it isn't
[04:14] <bubu1uk> in terminal try ifconfig
[04:14] <K-Ryan> It's not a wireless card, it's integrated
[04:14] <bubu1uk> ah
[04:15] <bubu1uk> try that command anyway
[04:15] <DaSkreech> I need to stop watching Wonderfalls :(
[04:15] <K-Ryan> Okey
[04:15] <bubu1uk> DaSkreech: why?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> I need to go home
[04:15] <DaSkreech> It's a good show though
[04:15] <K-Ryan> alright, what should I be seeing?
[04:15] <bubu1uk> lol
[04:15] <K-Ryan> I've got a bit of info
[04:16] <bubu1uk> it tells u what interfaces are on
[04:16] <K-Ryan> But I see something here, inet addr:127.0.0.1
[04:16] <K-Ryan> I assume that would be my router
[04:16] <K-Ryan> Except my router is 192.168.1.1
[04:16] <K-Ryan> Could that be the problem?
[04:16] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: there's no place like 127.0.0.1
[04:16] <bubu1uk> there-s no place like home
[04:16] <bubu1uk> lol
[04:17] <bubu1uk> 127.0.0.1 is just loopback
[04:17] <bubu1uk> not router
[04:17] <K-Ryan> I know, heard it before
[04:17] <K-Ryan> Oh, umm, right
[04:17] <K-Ryan> I don't know why certain people use 127.0.0.1 to access their router then
[04:17] <K-Ryan> Go figure, anyway...
[04:18] <K-Ryan> Oh, since I'm multi-tasking I forgot I'm still trying to install Kubuntu for myself.
[04:18] <K-Ryan> What file system should I use for storing my Linux stuff?
[04:18] <K-Ryan> Fat32?
[04:19] <K-Ryan> Or ext3?
[04:19] <bubu1uk> ext3
[04:19] <bubu1uk> would recomend
[04:19] <phobiac_> Whoops, internet went out.
[04:20] <K-Ryan> Uhh, I just commited the thing
[04:20] <K-Ryan> And instead of saying ext3, it says "unknow"
[04:20] <K-Ryan> Hold on, they're drinking something in my room and told them not to
[04:21] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: try command lspci if it tells u something bout ethernet card
[04:21] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: drink with them. lol
[04:21] <phobiac_> K-Ryan: You commited the partitioning and one of the partitions was mislabled?
[04:22] <K-Ryan> I click commit because I figured that means "apply"
[04:22] <K-Ryan> and instead of ext3 it says unknow
[04:22] <phobiac_> You may end up having to re do it.
[04:22] <bubu1uk> Phobiac_: lol, true
[04:23] <K-Ryan> bubuluk, I don't want him drinking/eating in there
[04:23] <K-Ryan> He spilt crap before, he'll do it again
[04:23] <phobiac_> Hold on a second
[04:24] <phobiac> There, got my nick back.
[04:24] <K-Ryan> Yeah, it's now ext3
[04:25] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Do you happen to have a usb flash drive or anything to use to transfer files between your computer and the laptop?
[04:25] <K-Ryan> I've got an SD card in my camera
[04:25] <K-Ryan> ;)
[04:26] <phobiac> Can that go between your computer and the laptop, and how big is it?
[04:26] <K-Ryan> 2GB
[04:26] <phobiac> Hey, you never know, it could work.
[04:26] <K-Ryan> Plug my camera into my computer, upload files
[04:26] <K-Ryan> Pop the card into his laptop
[04:26] <K-Ryan> It has a reader so yeah..
[04:26] <phobiac> That could work.
[04:26] <phobiac> Give me a second.
[04:26] <K-Ryan> Wait
[04:26] <K-Ryan> First let me make sure my Kubuntu works
[04:27] <K-Ryan> His laptop is not my primary concern =)
[04:27] <phobiac> Okay
[04:27] <phobiac> Gives me time to look for the .deb I want to find
[04:27] <K-Ryan> Okay, under this prepare mount thing
[04:27] <K-Ryan> I setup a 233MB partition on my windows drive for the grub and kernal thing
[04:27] <K-Ryan> Because I was getting that grub 17 error
[04:28] <K-Ryan> By default it is going to be labeled "/media/sda1" what do I change it to?
[04:28] <phobiac> You mean grub 18?
[04:28] <K-Ryan> Yes
[04:28] <K-Ryan> Do I change it to "/boot" ?
[04:28] <phobiac> Don't know, let me consult google
[04:28] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[04:29] <phobiac> No problem
[04:29] <K-Ryan> If you don't know what that Grub 18 error thing is, http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[04:30] <phobiac> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7051
[04:30] <phobiac> That thread suggests to me it should be /boot
[04:30] <K-Ryan> And fixing it is probably just putting it on my boot drive because m BIOS probably can't handle multidisk booting
[04:30] <K-Ryan> Okey
[04:30] <phobiac> However it also says to make it a 32mb partition.
[04:31] <K-Ryan> Hold on
[04:31] <K-Ryan> It says...
[04:31] <d0dge> Umm, how to log out from X server?
[04:31] <K-Ryan> Filesystems used by the system (/, /boot, etc....) must be reformatted for use by this installer. Other filesystems(/home /media/* /usr/local, etc.) may be used without refomatting.
[04:31] <bubu1uk> it doesnt really matter how big /boot is
[04:32] <K-Ryan> I don't want to format my Windows hard drive
[04:32] <K-Ryan> Is this saying I have to?
[04:32] <K-Ryan> Or maybe it's because I didn't have a boot partition before?
[04:32] <phobiac> No, it was just saying that person used 32mb.
[04:32] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: it will only format partition u set for /boot
[04:32] <K-Ryan> The "partition" or the whole drive?
[04:33] <bubu1uk> partition
[04:33] <K-Ryan> Because I down sized the drive
[04:33] <K-Ryan> bubu1uk, if my windows is erased, you're buying me Vista
[04:33] <phobiac> The partition
[04:33] <K-Ryan> Nah, I've got a Windows disc =P
[04:33] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: lol
[04:33] <phobiac> K-Ryan: That's not really a reward
[04:33] <K-Ryan> Yeah I know, it's going to be buggy for the first couple of months
[04:33] <bubu1uk> phobiac: true true
[04:33] <K-Ryan> And hole ridden
[04:34] <K-Ryan> Until they make a Service Pack for it
[04:34] <K-Ryan> anyway, I'm counting on this
[04:34] <phobiac> Where it will become more hole ridden...
[04:34] <K-Ryan> Hah
[04:34] <bubu1uk> phobiac: lol
[04:34] <DaSkreech> d0dge: alt+ctrl+bkspc
[04:34] <K-Ryan> So I should check the "Reformat?" box and continue, yes?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> d0dge: save your documentes first
[04:35] <phobiac> K-Ryan: I guess.
[04:35] <K-Ryan> Oh well, screw it if I have to reinstall Windows, I'll already have Linux anyway
[04:35] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: yes, check on that partition that u want to reformat. so one dedicated for boot
[04:35] <phobiac> Then you'll have another grub error, it's easily fixed though.
[04:35] <d0dge> DaSkreech: Ok, thanks.
[04:35] <K-Ryan> I hope so =)
[04:36] <phobiac> Grub error 20, I can't remember the full details but basically if you install windows after kubuntu grub gets erased.
[04:36] <phobiac> Or generally screwed with.
[04:36] <DaSkreech> d0dge: Wait hold up
[04:37] <bubu1uk> phobiac: basicaly no boot loader. lol
[04:37] <specialbuddy1> has anyone here put beryl on kubuntu?
[04:37] <d0dge> DaSkreech: Haven't done anything yet :P
[04:37] <DaSkreech> d0dge: What do you wnat to do?
[04:37] <phobiac> speacialbuddy: I have
[04:37] <d0dge> DaSkreech: Nvidia driver setup said that I need to exit X server before installing
[04:37] <specialbuddy1> how easy was it phobiac?
[04:38] <K-Ryan> Invalid file system for this mount point
[04:38] <phobiac> specialbuddy1: Took a little while and there were a few hurdles due to my ATI graphics card.
[04:38] <K-Ryan> Continuing...
[04:38] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Which mount point?
[04:38] <K-Ryan> I think the installer just exited itself
[04:38] <K-Ryan> Didn't say
[04:38] <specialbuddy1> whats a good howto for getting it to work?
[04:39] <specialbuddy1> I have nvidia so that shouldn't be a problem
[04:39] <phobiac> specialbuddy1: Try the beryl wiki, google it
[04:39] <phobiac> K-Ryan: You might end up having to start from scratch. :/
[04:39] <phobiac> With the partitioning.
[04:39] <guiller> i need help... any speak portuguese???
[04:40] <bubu1uk> !pg
[04:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:40] <bubu1uk> hmm, what's short for portuguese?
[04:40] <K-Ryan> Yeah I am
[04:40] <K-Ryan> I'm tempted to just reinstall Windows afterward >.>
[04:41] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: why?
[04:41] <phobiac> Haha, K-Ryan taken out of context what you just said is a little confusing right after bubu1uk's messege..
[04:41] <K-Ryan> Because I want Kubuntu!
[04:41] <bubu1uk> phobiac: true.
[04:41] <bubu1uk> :D
[04:42] <K-Ryan> Umm, right
[04:42] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: do u have 2 partitions on primary disk?
[04:42] <phobiac> K-Ryan: I don't know what went wrong with the partitioning though. I've never had the grub 18 error.
[04:42] <phobiac> Largest drive I've ever worked with is 80gb when it comes to installing kubuntu. :(
[04:42] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: first with nfts and win on it, and second small one?
[04:43] <K-Ryan> Hold on
[04:43] <K-Ryan> I'm going to set the installer backup and hope it works
[04:43] <K-Ryan> With minor changes this time
[04:43] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: u'd better tell us what u do on everypage of installer.
[04:43] <specialbuddy1> can beryl be done with Kubuntu?
[04:44] <phobiac> specialbuddy1: Yes, it works fine with kubuntu.
[04:44] <bubu1uk> phobiac: is it night called repeating urself? lol. everyone is asking twice tonight.
[04:45] <phobiac> speacialbuddy1: Here, use this guide
[04:45] <phobiac> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia
[04:45] <specialbuddy1> thanks
[04:45] <phobiac> Ignore that is says ubuntu and not kubuntu, it should still work.
[04:45] <specialbuddy1> ok
[04:46] <phobiac> I've never done it with nVidia though, so if you need assitance at any point I'd go to #beryl
[04:46] <phobiac> Although they are rarely big on helping.
[04:47] <specialbuddy1> thanks
[04:47] <phobiac> Everything I've gone in there for help I'm ignored while they discuss the newest feature in beryl or something simmilar. Anyway...
[04:47] <bubu1uk> phobiac: lol. u get that type of ppl
[04:48] <phobiac> Yeah
[04:50] <K-Ryan> Sorry if you thought I died
[04:50] <bubu1uk> unfortunately. :(
[04:50] <K-Ryan> Had to let my dogs out and back in
[04:50] <phobiac> No prob
[04:50] <K-Ryan> It's raining so I couldn't just let em stay out =P
[04:50] <phobiac> Some things are more important then linux :P
[04:50] <bubu1uk> phobiac: lol. get my messages in right place to be confusing. :D
[04:51] <K-Ryan> Well the partitions are still set right
[04:51] <K-Ryan> Yes phobiac
[04:51] <K-Ryan> My primary ext3 that's about 300mb for /boot is on my first hd
[04:51] <K-Ryan> which seems to be fine
[04:51] <K-Ryan> on my second hd ive got a 12gb ext3 for whatever
[04:51] <K-Ryan> and a 1gb linux-swap
[04:52] <Hawai`i> bbl
[04:52] <phobiac> Hmm
[04:52] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: seems allright
[04:52] <K-Ryan> Okay now I'm at step 5
[04:53] <phobiac> Which is?
[04:53] <K-Ryan> Prepare mountp oints
[04:53] <K-Ryan> And I now have more than last time it seems
[04:53] <phobiac> That's odd
[04:54] <K-Ryan> It wants to mount my Windows partition o.O
[04:54] <K-Ryan> as /media/hda1
[04:54] <K-Ryan> clear it out?
[04:54] <phobiac> No
[04:54] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: setup first / and /boot
[04:54] <K-Ryan> I have my 12GB / there
[04:54] <K-Ryan> It also wants to mount a 135GB ntfs
[04:54] <K-Ryan> leave it there?
[04:55] <phobiac> K-Ryan, /media is where mounted external drives and stuff go.
[04:55] <phobiac> Like, if you pop in a flash drive
[04:55] <K-Ryan> I didn't touch it, it just put it there
[04:55] <K-Ryan> I have the following
[04:55] <phobiac> It also mounts other partitions in there.
[04:55] <phobiac> That's what it did with my ntfs partition.
[04:55] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: tell us line after line
[04:55] <phobiac> So yeah, just leave it.
[04:55] <K-Ryan> (windows) /media/hda1
[04:55] <phobiac> Good
[04:55] <K-Ryan> (boot)/boot 298Mb
[04:56] <K-Ryan> (swap)swap 1GB
[04:56] <K-Ryan> (root)/ 12GB
[04:56] <K-Ryan> (ntfs)/media/hdb3 135GB
[04:56] <K-Ryan> Continue?
[04:56] <phobiac> Hmm wait
[04:57] <phobiac> Why does the windows partition have no filesize after it?
[04:57] <phobiac> Err, parition size
[04:57] <K-Ryan> It does
[04:57] <K-Ryan> 8GB
[04:57] <K-Ryan> which is the entire first HD
[04:57] <bubu1uk> phobiac: doesnt matter, it told allready hda1
[04:57] <K-Ryan> *HDD
[04:57] <phobiac> Oh okay. That sounds fine then.
[04:57] <K-Ryan> Oh, it just rounded up, thats why its 8
[04:58] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: for /boot u should have hda2
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Continuing...
[04:58] <K-Ryan> I do
[04:58] <bubu1uk> for / and swap hdb1 and 2
[04:58] <bubu1uk> right?
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Yep
[04:58] <bubu1uk> seems allright then
[04:58] <wincide> hi all
[04:58] <K-Ryan> 'ello
[04:58] <phobiac> Hi
[04:58] <bubu1uk> except, what u  have ntfs hdb3 for?
[04:59] <K-Ryan> Yep, ntfs says hdb3
[04:59] <K-Ryan> It's for my Windows stuff
[04:59] <bubu1uk> ah, ok.
[04:59] <bubu1uk> yeah, it's allright then. well. seems
[04:59] <bubu1uk> hols
[04:59] <K-Ryan> I'm a gamer, so I can't completely rid myself of Windows
[04:59] <bubu1uk> *hold
[04:59] <wincide> i cant make a "rescue booting" with an kubuntu-6.10 iso ... is it possible ?
[04:59] <xenophile7x7> whats the command to remove a package?
[05:00] <wincide> i lost grub, with error 17 , cause of partition magic..
[05:00] <bubu1uk> now tick to reformat /boot / and swap (not others, aka windows partitions)
[05:00] <phobiac> wincide: You can burn the iso to a DVD and use it as a live CD...
[05:00] <wincide> [phobiac]  think so
[05:00] <phobiac> xenophile: apt-get remove (package name)
[05:00] <wincide> but its so slow
[05:00] <phobiac> You need sudo before that apt-get
[05:00] <xenophile7x7> ty!
[05:00] <phobiac> Np
[05:01] <K-Ryan> And now I get to wait 10 minutes...
[05:01] <phobiac> wincide: Slow to what? Burn or use the live CD?
[05:01] <phobiac> K-Ryan: For it to partition? Gl
[05:01] <wincide> i have a burned one
[05:01] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: is it installin now?
[05:01] <wincide> but i it was very difficult
[05:02] <phobiac> wincide: Is this on an older computer?
[05:02] <wincide> i was looking a manual to make a rescue install with the steps of an old debian
[05:02] <wincide> with chroot , and installing grub again
[05:03] <phobiac> wincide: Oh, you lost grub?
[05:03] <wincide> but there are some steps i cant find
[05:03] <wincide> like mount -t /proc none
[05:03] <wincide> and dont know wich version of kubuntu can i use to make this
[05:03] <wincide> :S
[05:04] <K-Ryan> Sorry, was checking up on my friends...
[05:04] <K-Ryan> Yeah it's installing
[05:04] <bubu1uk> ok, then, seems allright.
[05:04] <K-Ryan> About 4 minutes left
[05:04] <phobiac> wincide: I'm not 100% sure on what your problem is. You need to reinstall grub?
[05:04] <bubu1uk> u figured out what to do with that laptop ?
[05:04] <K-Ryan> Not yet
[05:04] <K-Ryan> I'm more concerned about getting my computer to work
[05:04] <K-Ryan> His computer works fine
[05:05] <bubu1uk> well, after install it should.
[05:05] <K-Ryan> Yes, It should
[05:05] <K-Ryan> heh, 3:33 remaining
[05:05] <d0dge> Ok does anyone know how to acces on mounted hd, it says that I have no permissions, I've tried chmod etc.
[05:05] <K-Ryan> And 3 is my lucky number =)
[05:05] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Good luck with it
[05:05] <phobiac> Mine too, coincidence.
[05:05] <wincide> [phobiac]  first i lost my grub.. the message was ERROR 17 .. then ive installed a windows XP, so i lost grub
[05:05] <K-Ryan> Mines 3 because I was born on March 3rd
[05:05] <phobiac> !grub windows
[05:05] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[05:05] <K-Ryan> Or so I say it's my lucky number because of that
[05:06] <phobiac> Hmm that didn't work.
[05:06] <K-Ryan> maybe this
[05:06] <bubu1uk> d0dge: it's probably mounted as root. u might need to check fstab
[05:06] <K-Ryan> !grubwindows
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grubwindows - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Mine is for reasons inappropiate for this channel.
[05:06] <noiesmo> !fixgrub
[05:06] <K-Ryan> Hah
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixgrub - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <K-Ryan> !grub-windows
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grub-windows - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <K-Ryan> I wonder what it has to say about Windows...
[05:06] <K-Ryan> !windows
[05:06] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:07] <phobiac> wincide: There's a guide for this
[05:07] <K-Ryan> HAH!
[05:07] <phobiac> Hahaha
[05:07] <K-Ryan> Go Linux!
[05:07] <wincide> [phobiac]  i know, but i didnt find yet
[05:07] <K-Ryan> Down with Microsoft!
[05:07] <phobiac> wincide: Just give me a second
[05:07] <K-Ryan> F! S! F!
[05:07] <K-Ryan> Sorry, couldn't resist that..
[05:07] <Minataku> How is a bootloader optional O.o
[05:07] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Ok, how to check it? and thanks for help
[05:08] <wincide> cause the method i know with the iso i have is not so easy :P
[05:08] <K-Ryan> It's optional because you might only be running one OS
[05:08] <K-Ryan> If you run one OS you shouldn't need it, right?
[05:08] <bubu1uk> look at /etc/fstab
[05:08] <Minataku> You still need a bootloader
[05:08] <K-Ryan> Good point
[05:08] <Minataku> Otherwise what will load the OS?
[05:08] <Minataku> :D
[05:08] <Minataku> Even Windows NT has one, it's called "NTLDR"
[05:08] <bubu1uk> d0dge: what was it u couldn't acces?
[05:08] <K-Ryan> What's NT?
[05:08] <phobiac> You need a bootloader
[05:08] <wincide> ummm sorry about my english.. i knowis **king bad..
[05:08] <K-Ryan> Something before 95?
[05:09] <d0dge> bubu1uk: To the second hard disk, hdb1
[05:09] <K-Ryan> Heyyyy, my install is almost done
[05:09] <phobiac> Argh, I can't find this guide.
[05:09] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Windows XP is NT 5.1.2600
[05:09] <phobiac> I know exactly what I'm looking for too.
[05:09] <bubu1uk> d0dge: ok, do: sudo cat /etc/fstab
[05:09] <K-Ryan> What's NT then?
[05:09] <phobiac> Wait, I think I found it
[05:09] <K-Ryan> the installer says "Please wait 0%"
[05:09] <d0dge> bubu1uk: It's mounted. fstab says: /dev/hdb1 /media/hd auto nouser,noauto,atime,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[05:10] <K-Ryan> Is it calling me impatient?
[05:10] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Windows XP is NT
[05:10] <bubu1uk> d0dge: u need to change nouser to users i think
[05:10] <K-Ryan> Yes yes, what's it stand for?
[05:10] <Minataku> Technically, nothing
[05:10] <K-Ryan> Oh
[05:10] <phobiac> Hmm, this gide suggests super grub disk but there's an easier way.
[05:10] <K-Ryan> Come to think of it, does XP stand for anything either? o.O
[05:10] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Ok, how can I edit this file?
[05:10] <phobiac> wincide: You still there?
[05:11] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Nope
[05:11] <bubu1uk> d0dge: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[05:11] <K-Ryan> Go figure
[05:11] <phobiac> I always thought it might be eXtra Power or something.
[05:11] <wincide> !seen jpatrick
[05:11] <ubotu> I haven't seen jpatrick recently
[05:11] <bubu1uk> or something else for nano. use editor u like
[05:11] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Sorry for the misunderstanding, BTW X3
[05:11] <K-Ryan> X3?
[05:11] <Minataku> It's like X)
[05:11] <Minataku> It's an emoticon
[05:11] <K-Ryan> Oh, right
[05:11] <Minataku> The 3 is a kitty mouth
[05:12] <bubu1uk> lol
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Yeah I never could really picture that
[05:12] <K-Ryan> It looks like an ***
[05:12] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: try to turn ur head to the left. lol
[05:12] <K-Ryan> To me anyway...
[05:12] <wincide> i have to leave... thx for all.. tomorrow ill try again.. Bye !
[05:12] <phobiac> wincide: Wait
[05:12] <phobiac> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114332
[05:12] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Still, not enough permissions to read, arrgh.
[05:12] <phobiac> This might help?
[05:12] <K-Ryan> I tilted me head to the left, it looks like a dead bunny...
[05:13] <K-Ryan> OH OH OH OH!
[05:13] <Minataku> lol
[05:13] <K-Ryan> I'm done, cross your fingers and wish me luck, I'm restarting
[05:13] <bubu1uk> d0dge: after changing fstab u need to remount
[05:13] <Minataku> Good luck
[05:13] <phobiac> wincide: Sorry, I can't find the guide I'm looking for. :(
[05:13] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Oh okay. Thank you very much for help!
[05:13] <Minataku> Heh, stdin and genii aren't here
[05:14] <wincide> [phobiac]  sure.. this may run with kubuntu 5.10 and before...
[05:14] <bubu1uk> ok, last faq, will wait for K-Ryans result and bed.
[05:14] <wincide> but with new versions dont run
[05:14] <wincide> :S
[05:14] <bubu1uk> 4.17am. bout time lol.
[05:15] <bubu1uk> *fag, not faq, lol
[05:15] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Oh btw, I should change nouser to 'users' or 'user'?
[05:15] <phobiac> 5.10..that's not Breezy is it?
[05:15] <wincide> [phobiac]  thx , but i have to leave now
[05:15] <bubu1uk> d0dge: users i think,
[05:15] <bubu1uk> hold a sec
[05:15] <d0dge> ok
[05:15] <phobiac> wincide: Sorry, I hope you find a solution soon.
[05:15] <wincide> see you tomorrow :D
[05:16] <bubu1uk> d0dge: user
[05:16] <DaveQB> how does one wipre/clear out KDE session from the CLI ?
[05:16] <bubu1uk> d0dge: sorry, couldnt remember exactly
[05:18] <bubu1uk> DaveQB: what u mean clear session?
[05:19] <DaveQB> ok so when KDE fires up you can have it set to returns apps to where they were, Konqueror tabs etc
[05:19] <DaveQB> how can one clear that, which dir/file ?
[05:19] <bubu1uk> u can change that in control center. not to save session
[05:19] <DaveQB> I am asking in KDE and they agree with what I have done is correct, but still fires up the old session (and crashes) they said it must be Kubuntu specific
[05:20] <bubu1uk> or start session with clear one
[05:20] <phobiac>  DaveQB: You mean the session is saving?
[05:20] <DaveQB> yeah but cant get to control centre, its crashes before I get a chance
[05:20] <DaveQB> yes
[05:20] <bubu1uk> ah,
[05:20] <phobiac> That's odd.
[05:20] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Yeah no problem. But all I get is the same error, You do not have enough permissions to read file://media/xxx
[05:20] <DaveQB> mv ~/.kde ~/.kdeOLD works, but do not want to reconfigure everything
[05:20] <K-Ryan> Yeah, grub 18 error again =*(
[05:20] <K-Ryan> Nah, it works
[05:21] <phobiac> I've no idea where it is Dave. Sorry. :/
[05:21] <K-Ryan> I'm really happy now that it's working
[05:21] <phobiac> K-Ryan: So you've got kubuntu running?
[05:21] <DaveQB> i did do rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/sessions/* && rm ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc
[05:21] <phobiac> Congratulations!
[05:21] <K-Ryan> Yep
[05:21] <K-Ryan> Thanks to everyone that helped
[05:21] <bubu1uk> d0dge: try just to change all settings to 'defaults'
[05:21] <phobiac> Now, want to try getting that laptop working?
[05:21] <DaveQB> my above command should wipe it out, #KDE agress, but its not
[05:21] <K-Ryan> Now, to get Frozen Bubble =)
[05:21] <bubu1uk> d0dge: u tried to remount it right?
[05:21] <K-Ryan> Not yet phobiac
[05:21] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Yep
[05:21] <K-Ryan> I'm determined to get Frozen Bubble still =P
[05:21] <phobiac> Okay
[05:22] <phobiac> Ha
[05:22] <specialbuddy1> whats a good app for wireiess
[05:22] <bubu1uk> d0dge: try defaults instead all those settings
[05:22] <specialbuddy1> whats a good app for wireiess
[05:22] <joecoder> Every time I boot into kubuntu, I need to do ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 to make my network work.
[05:22] <DaveQB> specialbuddy1: knetworkmanager
[05:22] <phobiac> specialbuddy: Wireless assitant worked for me.
[05:22] <joecoder> eth0 is a wired connection
[05:22] <DaveQB> knetworkmanager is awesome!
[05:22] <phobiac> specialbuddy: Ask once, don't spam.
[05:23] <K-Ryan> How do I enable all the  repositories again?
[05:23] <phobiac> I'll have to try knetworkmanager
[05:23] <makuseru> where can i get drivers for an ATI Radeon 7000
[05:23] <phobiac> K-Ryan: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:23] <K-Ryan> makuseru, someone told me ATI cards are unstable and unsupported
[05:23] <makuseru> no
[05:23] <K-Ryan> the drivers are*
[05:23] <phobiac> makuseru: I think fglrx works with most ATI cards.
[05:23] <K-Ryan> But I'm new to Linux so I'm not positive
[05:24] <phobiac> fglrx works as a replacement driver though.
[05:24] <joecoder> can anyone help me with my network settings?
[05:24] <phobiac> makuseru: Trying to get beryl working? :P
[05:24] <makuseru> ya, i just got a new card today been using intel chipset
[05:25] <phobiac> joecoder: Maybe eth0 isn't set to start up at boot.
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Opening adept...
[05:25] <joecoder> phobiac: perhaps.. what do I check?
[05:25] <K-Ryan> no results on frozen bubble
[05:25] <phobiac> Open up the System Settings thing and go to Network Settings
[05:25] <K-Ryan> What did I do wrong? I uncommented the deb lines, OH
[05:25] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Ok
[05:25] <K-Ryan> I didn't update the list, what was the command for that?
[05:26] <phobiac> Joecoder: Then click the admin mode button
[05:26] <joecoder> phobiac: I'm there
[05:26] <phobiac> K-Ryan: There's and update button in the upper left
[05:26] <K-Ryan> Oh, that will do it
[05:26] <joecoder> phobiac: enabled, automatic, dhcp
[05:26] <joecoder> phobiac, and the activate on start is checked
[05:26] <K-Ryan> Um, don't see it
[05:26] <phobiac> joecoder: Hmm, thats not the issue then.
[05:27] <phobiac> K-Ryan, should look like recycle arrows.
[05:27] <joecoder> phobiac: It worked when I first installed it, but I broke it somehow following a tutorial to get my wireless working (and wireless still doesn't work). Multiple tutorials, I think.
[05:27] <K-Ryan> There was a terminal command to update that database thing
[05:27] <K-Ryan> It's not in Adept if you're talking about there
[05:27] <phobiac> K-Ryan: sudo apt-get update
[05:27] <bubu1uk> sudo apt-get update
[05:27] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[05:28] <phobiac> joecoder: Have that tutorial handy?
[05:28] <joecoder> phobiac: It was months ago.. one of those times when I got frustrated with linux and then went back to windows.
[05:28] <bubu1uk> lol
[05:28] <joecoder> phobiac: What are some places to check?
[05:29] <joecoder> phobiac: config files, that is
[05:29] <phobiac> joecoder: Hmm, only place I would know to check is there.
[05:29] <joecoder> phobiac: I'll browse around /etc
[05:30] <bubu1uk> joecoder: when u boot and it's not working. check settings if gateway is properly setup.
[05:30] <phobiac> joecoder: You could always but something in the autostart that does the ifdown and ifup for you.
[05:31] <joecoder> what does /etc/hosts do?
[05:32] <bubu1uk> i think it's like local dns
[05:33] <bubu1uk> joecoder: when u boot, is eth0 up?
[05:33] <K-Ryan> phobiac I enabled the universe and some backport thing and adept wont start, no error message either
[05:33] <phobiac> K-Ryan: What version of Kubuntu did you install?
[05:33] <joecoder> bubuluk:  can't remember, but I can reboot and find out.  I know it doesn't work.
[05:33] <K-Ryan> 6.06
[05:34] <phobiac> Did you update?
[05:34] <bubu1uk> joecoder: ur on LAN?
[05:34] <phobiac> sudo apt-get update, right solve the problem.
[05:34] <joecoder> bubuluk:  yes.  I have wireless, but getting that to work is the next step after this.
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Updating
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Reading package lists... Done
[05:34] <joecoder> bubuluk:  Wireless worked at one time also... kindof
[05:34] <phobiac> Try adept again.
[05:35] <K-Ryan> It asked for my password, opened
[05:35] <phobiac> Good
[05:35] <K-Ryan> no result on frozen bubble
[05:35] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:35] <phobiac> K-Ryan: The issue may be that frozen bubble won't work with dapper, but I doubt it.
[05:35] <bubu1uk> joecoder: u might need to check if there is any connection at least on lan (if u can connect to router) and just cant connect to internet or nothing at all
[05:36] <phobiac> Make that 6.06, not dapper. I have that habit of switching the name and version number.
[05:36] <joecoder> bubuluk:  I'll reboot, check the status, ping some things, and then bring it down and up and come back here.
[05:36] <bubu1uk> joecoder: ok.
[05:36] <joecoder> brb in 2-4 mins
[05:36] <phobiac> K-Ryan: You could always update to 6.10
[05:37] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: when u do sudo apt-get upgrade, what it does?
[05:37] <phobiac> bubu1uk: It completes for him
[05:37] <n8k99> K-Ryan did you install?
[05:37] <K-Ryan> Sorry, was checking on my friends
[05:38] <bubu1uk> phobiac: i know. just wondering if it actually does anything.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> Update to 6.10, what would that do?
[05:38] <phobiac> K-Ryan: It would mean your kubuntu is more up to date, might make things easier.
[05:38] <phobiac> If you're going to update I'd do it now before you start setting things up.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> Would you reccomend it?
[05:38] <phobiac> It will, however, take a few hours.
[05:39] <phobiac> If you want an up to date computer I would.
[05:39] <bubu1uk> phobiac: upgrade to 6.10 thru synaptic is not really recomended as far as i know
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Maybe another time
[05:39] <phobiac> No, it isn't.
[05:39] <bubu1uk> and 6.06 is still supported with newest updates
[05:39] <n8k99> it would be better to burn a 6-10 cd to update than use apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:40] <phobiac> ^ That's what I did, minus the CD.
[05:40] <bubu1uk> so that shouldn't be really big problem
[05:40] <n8k99> edgy introduces a fundamentally difference bootup sequence
[05:40] <phobiac> However that was a stupid move on my part.
[05:40] <bubu1uk> lol
[05:41] <n8k99> a fresh install from a cd is _much_ easier
[05:41] <n8k99> as you may now know
[05:41] <phobiac> Much less risky as well.
[05:41] <phobiac> n8K99: I wss impatient and stupid.
[05:41] <bubu1uk> phobiac: we all are. ;)
[05:42] <n8k99> yeah it's also fun to try things the way your _not_ supposed to
[05:42] <K-Ryan> Okay phobiac if you would be so kind as to help me get the laptop working
[05:42] <n8k99> like just for giggles on a fresh install  I ran sudo rm -rf /
[05:42] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Alright. I've got something that will make this easier too.
[05:42] <K-Ryan> K
[05:43] <n8k99> only once will I ever do that!!!
[05:43] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Oh, is there any way to run Konqueror as root?
[05:43] <phobiac> K-Ryan: Do you know how to do /msg?
[05:43] <K-Ryan> nope
[05:43] <joecoder> back
[05:43] <phobiac> I think you did it with intelikey the other day.
[05:43] <K-Ryan> You mean like a PM?
[05:43] <phobiac> Yeah
[05:43] <K-Ryan> yeah hold on
[05:43] <bubu1uk> d0dge: from command line u should be able
[05:43] <bubu1uk> sudo konqueror?
[05:43] <joecoder> On startup, eth0 is shown as up, I can ping myself, my router, my neighbor (on the same isp), but not google.com -- dns trouble perhaps?
[05:44] <bubu1uk> joecoder, seems so
[05:44] <d0dge> bubu1uk: konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[05:44] <n8k99> joecoder in  konsole use sudo dhclient eth0
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Hold on phobiac I can't talk in there because I'm not registered
[05:44] <phobiac> Oh
[05:44] <phobiac> What are you using for Irc?
[05:44] <phobiac> Oh wait
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Konversation
[05:44] <phobiac> The nick isn't
[05:45] <bubu1uk> d0dge: u tryin konsole within kde?
[05:45] <phobiac> Can you read my messages though?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> Yes
[05:45] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Umm.. yeah :o
[05:45] <phobiac> Alright, this should work then. Give me a moment.
[05:45] <bubu1uk> d0dge: dunno then. :(
[05:45] <phobiac> In the meantime install Krdc if you don't have it.
[05:46] <K-Ryan> Krdc?
[05:46] <phobiac> Look for it on Adept
[05:46] <phobiac> It's for remote desktop connections
[05:46] <K-Ryan> I've got it 99% positive
[05:46] <K-Ryan> Yup
[05:46] <phobiac> You'll be able to watch what I suggest to do instead of me telling you. :D
[05:46] <phobiac> It this works.
[05:47] <phobiac> If*
[05:47] <bubu1uk> joecoder: did u manage to work it out?
[05:47] <d0dge> bubu1uk: as root I can 'cd /media/hd' and I can see all the files and stuff. Just can't get there with KDE :P
[05:48] <bubu1uk> d0dge: sec
[05:52] <bubu1uk> d0dge: try mount -o uid=username /whateveruwanttomount
[05:52] <bubu1uk> d0dge: not sure, cant remember exact command.
[05:52] <bubu1uk> looking for it tho
[05:55] <JoeCoder_> weird, kopete just switched me from irc.freenode.net to irc.kde.org without even telling me.
[05:55] <JoeCoder_> I just stopped getting messages about 10 minutes ago
[05:55] <JoeCoder_> can anyone hear me now?
[05:55] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_:yes
[05:55] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  What was the last thing you got from me?
[05:56] <bubu1uk> like now? or before?
[05:56] <bubu1uk> [05:06]  <JoeCoder_> weird, kopete just switched me from irc.freenode.net to irc.kde.org without even telling me.
[05:57] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  before.  Did you get the message about what I could and couldn't ping?
[05:57] <bubu1uk> [04:55]  <joecoder> On startup, eth0 is shown as up, I can ping myself, my router, my neighbor (on the same isp), but not google.com -- dns trouble perhaps?
[05:57] <d0dge> bubu1uk: I think that's the right command
[05:57] <d0dge> bubu1uk: didn't get any errors
[05:58] <bubu1uk> d0dge,  so u can access it now
[05:58] <even-this-is-tak>  Okay, so who would be kind enough to help a complete kubuntu newbie out?
[05:58] <toulouse> hey guys, my file system check dies "with an exit status of 8" what should i do?? i was thinking of just deleting that partition and then making it again (it's not holding anything valuble)
[05:59] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Yes! Thanks!
[05:59] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  the results of the dhcp command someone asked me to run:  http://rafb.net/p/Z0jiV242.html
[05:59] <d0dge> bubu1uk: Saved my day..
[05:59] <bubu1uk> joecoder: did u get this message? [04:55]  <n8k99> joecoder in  konsole use sudo dhclient eth0
[05:59] <even-this-is-tak>  I have some really dumb questions
[05:59] <bubu1uk> joecoder: ah, u got it then
[06:00] <bubu1uk> d0dge: np
[06:00] <wolfwalker>  First of all, I just installed Kubuntu. How DO I see what's on C: drive?
[06:00] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  Those are the current results, after bringing eth0 down and back up.
[06:00] <JoeCoder_> wolfwalker: /media/windows
[06:00] <wolfwalker>  I'm used to windows explorer, where you can see everything on the hard drive
[06:00] <JoeCoder_> wolfwalker: Load konqueror and go to settings, load view profile, file manager
[06:01] <toulouse> hey guys, if i use a partitioning tool to erase and then re-make a partition, do i need to edit my fstab file???
[06:01] <bubu1uk> joecoder: i think u just might need to setup dns servers manually in network settings.
[06:01] <wolfwalker>  Depends what you are using the partition for toulouse
[06:01] <bubu1uk> joecoder: i usually do that. cuz my router plays stupid games with me sometimes.
[06:01] <toulouse> i want to try another linux on it
[06:02] <toulouse> but i (think) it's failing my file system check
[06:02] <wolfwalker>  Whatcha running right now?
[06:02] <toulouse> ubuntu
[06:02] <wolfwalker>  Whatcha trying?
[06:02] <toulouse> but i tried to put dreamlinux on that partition
[06:02] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  That may work, but the netowrk worked back in the beginning with no tweaking before I screwed it up.
[06:02] <toulouse> GRub never recognized it, so i just want to try another that's easier to set up with Grub
[06:03] <wolfwalker>  Another stupid newbie question, for anyone patient enough to help a newbie out
[06:03] <bubu1uk> well, usually works for me too after fresh install. then it just suddenly stops for some reasons. but as i said, i have problem with router. cuz win machine drops all the time.
[06:03] <toulouse> wolfwalker, but now, when i boot up it says file system check fail with an exit status of 8.
[06:03] <wolfwalker>  My internet computer is Windows XP. Where can I go on the net to download installer files for programs for Kubuntu?
[06:03] <bubu1uk> joecoder: i actually have everything set up manually
[06:03] <bubu1uk> joecoder: so don't use dhcp
[06:04] <toulouse> wolfwalker: synaptic ?
[06:04] <wolfwalker>  No, my Kubuntu computer is upstairs and I am not going to be connecting it to the net
[06:04] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  It's a laptop--won't that mean I need to resetup the network each place I go?
[06:04] <n8k99> wolfwalker are you looking to install kubuntu on your computer?
[06:04] <wolfwalker>  Although from what I've been told, synaptic rocks
[06:04] <wolfwalker>  No, I have kub on my computer upstairs
[06:04] <toulouse> yeah, pretty much
[06:04] <bubu1uk> joecoder: well, ur' right,
[06:05] <n8k99> ah I see - and kub is not connected to the internet
[06:05] <wolfwalker>  I want to know where I can go to download installer files instead of hauling my computer down here to the internet port
[06:05] <wolfwalker>  Right, it's not
[06:05] <wolfwalker>  It's a standalone upstairs
[06:05] <toulouse> lol'z run a line upstairs
[06:05] <wolfwalker>  Negative
[06:06] <bubu1uk> joecoder: well, it should work, dont know why, but ur network card seems to be working ok, just not getting proper info from router.
[06:06] <toulouse> i dunno man, i bet you can google most programs and someone will have the programs on their ftp
[06:06] <n8k99> wolfwalker why not?
[06:06] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: find .deb files of applications u want
[06:07] <wolfwalker>  From what I understand, the files will be .deb files
[06:07] <wolfwalker>  Right
[06:07] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  And if it's a dns problem, why would manual dhcp settings help?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> problem with downloading the .debs is theres a lot of dependencies to get.
[06:07] <wolfwalker>  That's another thing I hear
[06:07] <n8k99> zactly
[06:07] <Dr_willis> depending on what you are wanting to get.
[06:07] <bubu1uk> ah, automatic dhcp should be ok.
[06:07] <wolfwalker>  And synaptic downloads the dependencies automatically
[06:07] <wolfwalker>  But this computer ain't goin on the net
[06:07] <bubu1uk> joecoder: i use it actually only on server, cuz of port forwarding.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> if doing  the downloading from another ubuntu box. theres a apt-cache or some command/tool that can download all the deps for packages.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> the apt guide mention it.
[06:08] <n8k99> synaptic/adept/kpackage/apt/aptitude all pretty much handle dependencies
[06:08] <wolfwalker>  So I want a site like synaptic, where you can browse for programs compiled for ubuntu
[06:08] <bubu1uk> joecoder: laptop doesnt' bother me that much, cuz there i can restart interface easily and doesnt matter what ip i get
[06:08] <wolfwalker>  But where they are in .deb form
[06:08] <JoeCoder_> Anyone know why, after startup, I need to take my network interface down and back up again to get domain names to resolve?
[06:08] <wolfwalker>  Sounds like some preset is not being saved JoeCoder
[06:09] <wolfwalker>  But then, what I know would barely fill a thimble :P
[06:09] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  If I have to constantly resort to little hacks here and there to keep things working, I'll just use winxp since it just works.  I do appreciate the suggestions though.
[06:09] <bubu1uk> joecoder: if u just setup dns servers, won't it work even if u move somewhere else?
[06:10] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  Should, but where do I set those?
[06:10] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:, nm, I see
[06:11] <Dr_willis> xp 'just works' - gee... i have a lot of data that goes against that. :) but i am tired.. so night all...
[06:11] <bubu1uk> joecoder: good question, lol. am on fedora now. letme check on kubuntu. ;)
[06:12] <bubu1uk> oh, and btw, my win laptop "just doesn't work" sometimes when using wireless.
[06:12] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  I found it already.  But how can I find the ip's of my isp's dns?
[06:12] <bubu1uk> can u connect to router?
[06:13] <bubu1uk> should be there
[06:13] <ted_> uhm... ive got some probs with torrents and stuff. when i used windows i got like 1.4 mb/s, but in linux ive got like 15 kb/s... any suggestions how to boost the speed?
[06:13] <JoeCoder_> bubluk:  I don't have the password for it and my isp won't give it to me.  They own the router--weird, I know.
[06:13] <bubu1uk> ted_: what u use?
[06:13] <ted_> i use KTorrent
[06:13] <bubu1uk> joecoder: is it router at home?
[06:14] <bubu1uk> ted_: try something else. had problems with that as well.
[06:14] <bubu1uk> ted_: dunno why, rtorrent just works for me
[06:14] <ted_> hm. okay :) ill try rtorrent. thanks :D
[06:15] <bubu1uk> ted_: little warning, rtorrent is console based. ;)
[06:15] <bubu1uk> joecoder: u here?
[06:15] <thev> hi, just wondering about a program for KDE which will enable be to undelete pictures on a fat32 CF Card.  Does anything exist?
[06:15] <ted_> oh... ah well, ive got to learn the console sooner or later so ;)
[06:16] <bubu1uk> ted_: anyway, there are some good guides on net for rtorrent tho.and it's pretty simple.
[06:17] <ted_> nice, im gonna need that :) thanks again :D
[06:17] <waveler> i need help which one should i download? here's the link http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/
[06:18] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  sorry, I'm joecoder_: now due to irc ghost, didn't notice.
[06:18] <JoeCoder_> bubluk:  yes, router is at home
[06:18] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: password is usually somewhere on router, or ISP changed it?
[06:19] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  isp changed, and they won't even give it to me.  I've asked agian and again and again.
[06:19] <waveler> can anyone help me?
[06:19] <bubu1uk> waveler: any
[06:20] <Jucato> !anyone
[06:20] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:20] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: and didn't they give u their dns ips?
[06:20] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  nope
[06:20] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: who's ur isp?
[06:20] <waveler> its my first time to use linux (kubuntu 6.10)
[06:20] <bubu1uk> try google for their dns
[06:21] <waveler> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/
[06:21] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk: c3bb.com.  It's run through the city hall.  Local, small.  only broadband provider I can get.
[06:21] <waveler> which one shouldi download bubuluk?
[06:21] <ted_> bubu1uk wonderful program :D it works very well :D you saved my morning :D
[06:21] <bubu1uk> ted_: what version u runnin?
[06:22] <Hawai`i> looking for a program similar to filezilla and putty but for Kubuntu..
[06:22] <Hawai`i> ?
[06:22] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  dns is obviously working now.  Isn't there a command I can run to get what server is being used?
[06:22] <Hawai`i> and do I even need..
[06:22] <bubu1uk> waveler: any u want. it's just packed diferent way. but still same package
[06:22] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: sec
[06:22] <ted_> bubu1uk rTorrent 0.5.3 - libTorrent 0.9.3
[06:22] <waveler> bubuluk i see
[06:24] <bubu1uk> ted_: there is rtorrent 6.4 libtorrent 0.10.4 out now.
[06:24] <waveler> bubuluk how do i install it?
[06:24] <bubu1uk> but not in repos, u might google for it.
[06:25] <ted_> bubu1k oh :) getting the new one right away :D
[06:28] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: dig command should do this. but didnt give me my ips.
[06:28] <bubu1uk> but when searched with my dns ip, it showed, so not sure how to use that command properly
[06:28] <bubu1uk> :(
[06:29] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: in dns settings, do u have 102.168.0.1 as primary dns setup?
[06:29] <bubu1uk> *192.168.0.1
[06:30] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  nope.
[06:30] <bubu1uk> waveler: unpack, read README
[06:30] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: try just to have there just 192.168.0.1. that should work anyway.
[06:31] <JoeCoder_> bubuluk:  my router as a dns server?
[06:31] <Cardinal> so anyone do a successful upgrade of the ATI video driver
[06:31] <Cardinal> for radeon?
[06:33] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: yes, cuz it forwards dns requests, as far as i know. i usually have only that. basicaly win or either linux will setup only that. i setup my isp's dns, cuz my router is stupid monkey, that somtimes drops packets and stops forwarding it.
[06:33] <bubu1uk> Cardinal: have u tried ubuntuguide?
[06:34] <bubu1uk> Cardinal: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:36] <bubu1uk> JoeCoder_: could actually think bout it earlier. just forgoten bout this cuz of my habbit to setup everything. thanx to my router. netgear rules. lol.
[06:37] <bubu1uk> have 2 of those products and not happy with them. :(
[06:42] <Cardinal> I wil do that... thanks bubuluk
[06:43] <enzo_> How do I replace the MBR?
[06:44] <enzo_> fdisk /mbr?
[06:45] <waveler> bubuluk i already configured but i can't install make
[06:45] <waveler> what should i do next?
[06:47] <waveler> how can i install libdvdcss?
[06:47] <muesli> enzo_: depends on your bootloader
[06:48] <muesli> with lilo e.g. it would be simply calling lilo (assuming that /etc/lilo.conf tells it to write to the mbr)
[06:48] <muesli> here's a little grub howto
[06:49] <muesli> enzo_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113
[06:49] <muesli> see the entry by remmelt (second message, not the first one)
[06:52] <waveler> muesli how can i install libdvdcss?
[06:54] <phobiac> How can you check what process is using a file?
[06:54] <muesli> phobiac: lsof
[06:54] <phobiac> so lsof filename
[06:54] <muesli> waveler: add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:54] <muesli> deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com edgy-seveas extras
[06:55] <muesli> waveler: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs
[06:55] <muesli> phobiac: rather "lsof | grep filename"
[06:55] <phobiac> Thank you
[06:55] <muesli> phobiac: oh actually lsof filename should work too iirc
[06:55] <muesli> anyways, i always tend to grep ;-)
[06:55] <phobiac> Ah okay
[06:57] <yan> Is there a fully gui PPTP VPN utility for Kubuntu?
[07:03] <waveler> muesli i still don't get it! its my first time to use linux btw
[07:03] <waveler> can you make it more simple?
[07:03] <muesli> uhm no actually. what's the problem currently?
[07:04] <waveler> i went to the this link http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/edgy-seveas/all/
[07:04] <enzo_> Thank you muesli
[07:04] <muesli> waveler: as mentioned. first of all edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:04] <muesli> and add this line to it (at the end simply):
[07:05] <muesli> deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com edgy-seveas extras
[07:05] <muesli> then run "sudo apt-get update"
[07:05] <muesli> and then "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs"
[07:05] <muesli> that's it
[07:05] <Zamber> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:05] <Zamber> add the repo mentioned
[07:05] <Zamber> sudo apt-get update
[07:05] <Zamber> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs
[07:05] <waveler> so i shoud use kate
[07:05] <Zamber> evrything
[07:05] <waveler> should*
[07:06] <muesli> waveler: whatever editor you prefer
[07:07] <Zamber> !libdvdcss
[07:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:07] <Zamber> xD
[07:08] <Zamber> !libdvdcss2
[07:09] <Cagarro> !compiz
[07:09] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:13] <juano> anyone know why my start up script isnt loading?
[07:14] <juano> i have a sh with +x permissions in /etc/init,d
[07:14] <juano> when i logout then login it wont run
[07:14] <d03boy> i need some troubleshooting help with wifi
[07:15] <d03boy> ndiswrapper is up and running but I cant "see" any networks
[07:15] <d03boy> this could possibly be because my wireless card's radio is turned off but I'm not sure how to turn it back on if it is off
[07:15] <d03boy> and i dont know how to tell if its off
[07:17] <Zamber> !wifi
[07:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:22] <d03boy> i read all that documentation
[07:26] <ted_> uhm... what is the default download directory in rtorrent?
[07:32] <freshburn> ok i have an HP desktop and matching laptop i installed fresh kubuntu edgy on both, allowed both to take all updates from main restricted universe and multiverse
[07:32] <freshburn> all went well
[07:32] <freshburn> then.... i requested to install pckg gnome-games the desktop took all games installed and play but the laptop says BREAK
[07:32] <freshburn> any ideas? or better anyone even here?
[07:35] <posingaspopular> room: im getting a 'no instillation candidate' for sudo apt-get install mozilla firefox I know it has to do with repositories, but not much else. help?
[07:36] <K`zan> posingaspopular: I found and installed it using adept...  Sometimes in some places it is called mozilla-firefox or mozilla_firefox FWIW.
[07:37] <posingaspopular> K`zan: thanks bro
[07:38] <K`zan> posingaspopular: Just trying to give back some of all the help I have gotten, no problem :-).
[07:39] <posingaspopular> K`zan: im stupid, it was already installed. i dont use the kubuntu channel much, i spent most of my time in ubuntu chicago, but if you ever need help, send mea msg
[07:40] <freshburn> is there a way to make adept try to install an older version of package gnome-games or to tell me exactly what will "BREAK" stopping it from installing?
[07:42] <juano> anyone know how to install spanish keyboard layout?
[07:43] <spawn57> yeah
[07:43] <spawn57> System Settings, reoginal and language
[07:43] <spawn57> you can add you local language there, and change the keyboard layout
[07:43] <juano> spawn57: yea i installed spanish, except i cant select spanish keyboard layout
[07:44] <juano> spawn57: i put enable keyboard layouts and everything is blank there
[07:45] <spawn57> oh
[07:45] <lovloss> gaaaaah
[07:45] <spawn57> honestly tehn it might be distriubution specific
[07:45] <lovloss> konqueror's web browser messes up
[07:45] <spawn57> what distro are you using?
[07:46] <K`zan> posingaspopular: No problem.  Used to live in McHenry, Cville and slumburg and elgin and LOL!
[07:46] <juano> spawn57: 6.10 edgy
[07:47] <ted_> uhm... ive totally lost a file... how do I tell whereis to search for a file wich name has "Crank" in it? i know it has something else in the name, but i dont remember what...
[07:47] <spawn57> ah
[07:47] <spawn57> hold on then, it might be a package, lemme look it up
[07:47] <juano> ted_: find / -name "Crank*"
[07:47] <juano> ok spawn57 thanks
[07:47] <ted_> ah :D thx :D
[07:49] <K`zan> Wonder if there is a later release of the avr-gcc package that supports the Mega644?!?
[07:49] <posingaspopular> K`zan:  we just had a chicago ubuntu meeting this afternoon in elmhurst, looking for maybe downtown chicago library (harold washington) or to have more meetings in elmhurst. we're looking to expand our group/ubunutu majorly in the next few months
[07:51] <ForgeAus> aww I can't get pydance working!
[07:51] <K`zan> posingaspopular: Elmhurst is def a better choice :-), if you are out there be SURE to visit the Lazzadro Museum which is on the same grounds as the library.
[07:51] <lovloss> here's what happened. I was tired of image files opening in an annoying program, so i right-clicked and told it to always open jpegs/gifs/etc with gwenview. after that, konqueror's web browser started doing that too. that annoyed me, so i went in and changed it to open them with the embedded program, and it worked, but it does that icon thing
[07:51] <K`zan> posingaspopular: http://www.lizzadromuseum.org/  -  WELL worth the trip.
[07:53] <spawn57> hey juano, sorry man i can pin down what you need to get it to work
[07:53] <juano> spawn57: no worries :) thanks for your help, il lkeep searching to see if i can come up with something
[07:53] <posingaspopular> K`zan: awesome. tight to sleeeeep. thanks for the help
[07:53] <spawn57> juano: =D
[07:54] <K`zan> posingaspopular: Sure, NP, rest well and stay warm.
[07:55] <juano> spawn57: its weird cause with keyboarch switch installed it sees english layout, but not spanish, and inside system preferences -> regional.. etc, no layouts appear
[07:56] <bartist> hello
[07:56] <bartist> my sound only works when it wants
[07:56] <bartist> what can i do?
[07:56] <spawn57> juano: yeah i know  =\
[07:56] <spawn57> juano: i tried checking what lanugage packages I have instaleld but that didn't help it sems
[08:04] <freshburn> ok this is getting even wierder
[08:06] <freshburn> i am trying to install gnome-games package to a fresh kubuntu edgy all that ive installed is all recomended updates and now no matter what package i "request install" adept replies with "BREAK (install)
[08:08] <dwidmann> freshburn, perhaps try with apt-get or aptitude and see if you get different results?
[08:15] <freshburn> apt-get says same
[08:15] <freshburn> is it possible to force isntall of an older package version? or at least tell me what will "BREAK"?
[08:19] <juano> anyone succeeded at changing keyboard layouts?
[08:19] <makuseru> can anyone help me beryl? everyone is dead in #beryl
[08:19] <makuseru> =}
[08:21] <bartist> anyone has its sound working?
[08:25] <freshburn> with aptitude how do i tell it to add including all dependancies?
[08:25] <freshburn> i use "+" to add the package thenn is there a way to tell it to get all the dependacies also?>
[08:26] <makuseru> ci know how to fix dependency problems, but thats it
[08:31] <boot_failure> Anyone here know how to fix a boot failure?
[08:36] <dwidmann> freshburn, still around? sorry about that, got caught up in a movie
[08:37] <Raffy> hi
[08:37] <dwidmann> 'ello
[08:37] <Raffy> i need an info can u help me?
[08:38] <dwidmann> perhaps
[08:38] <Raff7> i only need to know what kubuntu versione i need download if i have a core 2 duo
[08:39] <Raff7> so a 64 bit sistem
[08:39] <dwidmann> either the x86_64 or the i386 will do, most likely.
[08:40] <dwidmann> All current 64-bit processors are backwards compatible ... so take your pick.
[08:40] <Raff7> ehm i've tried an'other linux distro for 64 and it didn't work :s
[08:41] <Raff7> i'm downloading i386 ;)
[08:41] <dwidmann> Which one, which release?
[08:41] <Raff7> whitch release don't work or witch release i'm downloading?
[08:41] <dwidmann> If it fails to boot for you, it's likely a kernel problem of some sort, I'd figure.
[08:42] <dwidmann> which release didn't work.
[08:42] <Raff7> suse 10 distro
[08:42] <dwidmann> Hmm, I'm not too familiar with suse, I'll look up what kernel it uses
[08:42] <Raff7> mmm
[08:42] <Raff7> do'nt worry maybe is a dvd problem
[08:43] <Raff7> don't*
[08:43] <bLaZeD> !iso
[08:43] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[08:43] <dwidmann> possibly ... always a good idea to have the burning program check the write after it's written.
[08:43] <K`zan> If you are looking for an updated package (old one, in this case, doesn't support something I need), where do you go - no contact info for the maintainer - launchpad->bugs (it really isn't a bug, just old)?!?
[08:43] <juano> anyone know how to change keyboard layout? works in gnome, cant make it work here
[08:44] <Raff7> dwidmann: i've do it
[08:44] <K`zan> juano: Control center->peripherals->keyboard ?
[08:44] <juano> K`zan: where is control center?
[08:45] <dwidmann> K'zan, might be easier in the end to just build the package yourself, though, the package itself usually lists the maintainer, apt-cache show <package>
[08:45] <shahid> are their any programs available for creating listings on ebay for linux?
[08:45] <juano> K`zan: got it
[08:45] <juano> K`zan: no language option
[08:45] <K`zan> juano: Not sure in a stock install, but I added it from "add applets" off the panel...
[08:45] <K`zan> al
[08:45] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, how can I install this game? www.sauerbraten.org
[08:45] <K`zan> ah
[08:46] <Raff7> kubuntu have a very good server o.o 430KB in download
[08:46] <dwidmann> Raff7: looks like it would have depended on which release of SuSE you tried, 10.0, 10.1, or 10.2?
[08:46] <Raff7> Hi dwidmann
[08:46] <Raff7> sorry is my script :
[08:46] <K`zan> juano: try googling, I don't know how you change language :-(. sorry/
[08:46] <Raff7> 10.01
[08:47] <Raff7> 10.1*
[08:47] <juano> K`zan: yeah.. im googling.. not much luck
[08:48] <K`zan> juano: I suspect it will be under regional settings, checking in control panel now.
[08:48] <K-Ryan> Can someone show me how to install this? www.sauerbraten.org
[08:48] <dwidmann> Raff7, not sure, you could have better luck with Edgy or perhaps a shot at Feisty (the second development release was just released days ago, could be worth a try), seeing as they have newer kernels (2.6.17 and 2.6.20 respectively, as compared to SuSE 10.1 which seems to be using 2.6.16)
[08:48] <Raff7> Hi dwidmann
[08:48] <Raff7> grrrr script
[08:48] <juano> K`zan: yeah theres a keyboard layout option there, when im in its just blank and no buttons seem to work in that window
[08:48] <K-Ryan> Hellllooooo?
[08:49] <Raff7> mmm
[08:49] <Raff7> okey
[08:49] <K`zan> juano: control panel->Regional & accessibility->keyboard layout!
[08:49] <shahid> which is the best stable version of kubuntu available?
[08:49] <shahid> for newbies
[08:49] <juano> K`zan: yes thats where ive been, nothing in that window, just buttons that wont action
[08:50] <K`zan> juano: click on the enable Keyboard Layouts checkbox
[08:50] <shahid> also can someone please tell me if kubuntu is available with flash plugins and java pre-installed??
[08:50] <dwidmann> shahid, depends what you're doing ... it's like they say, out with the old bugs, in with the new ... some things will be easier and other things might not be. Might as well go for the latest stable (6.10 "Edgy") if you're starting now.
[08:50] <juano> K`zan: i have, no luck
[08:50] <K`zan> juano: under layout.
[08:50] <K-Ryan> shahid, i'm using 6.06 and i dont have complaints
[08:50] <shahid> ahh ok thanks
[08:50] <K-Ryan> 6.10 you gotta download
[08:50] <K-Ryan> 6.06 you can order a free cd
[08:51] <shahid> i'm using mepis 6.0
[08:51] <dwidmann> which will take like, a month to get there ...
[08:51] <K`zan> junano, works here- select one on the left  and click add...
[08:51] <shahid> but wanna know if kubuntu is better
[08:51] <K-Ryan> not a month
[08:51] <K-Ryan> I got my kubuntu cd's in 3 weeks?
[08:51] <K-Ryan> not bad for free shipping from holland to NY
[08:51] <K-Ryan> Anyway, can someone help me install this? www.sauerbraten.org
[08:52] <K`zan> shahid: Yes it is.
[08:52] <shahid> but i have not complaints with SimplyMepis 6.0 just wondered if Kubuntu is as good or better?
[08:52] <posingaspopular> raff7: ubuntu 6.06 LTS works for 64 but
[08:52] <dwidmann> I've not given Mepis a try, so I can't say. It's probably also a matter of taste.
[08:52] <K`zan> shahid: I tried that one too, ubuntu is working out well for me - just converted the first machine here to it and as of today I consider it usable and a success :)
 what features are better or as good as SimplyMepis in Kubuntu?
[08:53] <posingaspopular> Raff7: ubuntu 6.06 LTS is available for 64 bit
[08:53] <Raff7> we are sure the the chip fritz therisn't in core 2 duo?
[08:53] <K-Ryan> Can someone please help me?
[08:54] <K`zan> shahid: For me the important ones, give the live CD a try.  Was less finicky than mephis as far as I was concerned.
[08:54] <dwidmann> K-Ryan, I've not a clue, what is the extension of the file you downloaded, that should give a general idea
[08:54] <K-Ryan> It's a game
[08:54] <K-Ryan> Which is why I linked...
[08:55] <shahid> K`zan: does Kubuntu come with java & firefox plugins & MPlayer Plugins installed?
[08:55] <dwidmann> I already know that, I'm wondering what the extension of the file you downloaded is though ... because I don't feel like starting the download to figure it out.
[08:55] <K-Ryan> there is no one extension
[08:55] <dwidmann> shahid: no
[08:55] <posingaspopular> check the read me
[08:55] <posingaspopular> http://www.sauerbraten.org/README.html
[08:55] <shahid> ahh ok
[08:55] <K-Ryan> its a tar.gz. which is decompressed
[08:55] <stdin> K-Ryan: you want help?
[08:55] <K-Ryan> and now its a folder sitting on my desktop
[08:55] <K-Ryan> Yes please if you would be so kin
[08:56] <K-Ryan> *kind
[08:56] <dwidmann> K-ryan, extract it, and look in the base directory, there is probably a file called "INSTALL"
[08:56] <stdin> K-Ryan: ok, let me d/l it, and we'll have a look :)
[08:56] <K-Ryan> Install, nope
[08:56] <K-Ryan> i have some folders
[08:56] <ezaty> hai all..
[08:56] <K`zan> shahid: I think so, except for the codecs for mplayer and those you can get from the mplayer site and just unpack them to /usr/local/lib/win32.
[08:56] <dwidmann> how about a file "configure"?
[08:56] <K-Ryan> bin, bin_unix, CVS, data, docs, packages, src
[08:56] <shahid> I've just got my SimplyMepis 6.0 install exactly how i want it now, so not sure if i will give Kubuntu a test yet, but if things don't work out with this.. I'll try it next
[08:56] <K-Ryan> then a readme.html about the game
[08:56] <K-Ryan> a sauerbraten.pdb
[08:56] <dwidmann> ooh, that makes things easy
[08:56] <dwidmann> I think
[08:57] <K-Ryan> and a sauerbraten._unix
[08:57] <stdin> 132.57MB woah :P
[08:57] <dwidmann> It looks like it's precompiled, K-Ryan, see if the files in the bin directory can be run from a terminal
[08:57] <K-Ryan> It's an FPS
[08:57] <K-Ryan> in bin is sauerbraten.exe
[08:57] <posingaspopular> Instructions for Running Sauerbraten
[08:57] <posingaspopular> For Windows: Install, edit, then run sauerbraten.bat.
[08:57] <posingaspopular> For GNU/Linux: gunzip, chmod +x sauerbraten_unix and then ./sauerbraten_unix. Needs a decent and compliant OpenGL implementation.
[08:58] <dwidmann> K-Ryan, well, that could be a problem ... a windows binary
[08:58] <shahid> linux is very good
[08:58] <shahid> i love the debian based distro's :)
[08:58] <K-Ryan> Yes dwidmann, that's why I require the help of someone who knows what they are doing
[08:58] <K-Ryan> Because it is indeed possible to do
[08:59] <dwidmann> I'm sure, but it would take me hours to go through a 130mb download, so you require not only someone who knows what they're doing, but someone who has a very fast connection as well.
[08:59] <shahid> nice
[09:00] <shahid> i have 2mb/s
[09:00] <shahid> :(
[09:00] <dwidmann> stdin: lukcy little ... :(
[09:00] <K-Ryan> How many kb are in 128mb, 128000 right?
[09:00] <dwidmann> hmm, nope
[09:00] <K-Ryan> Uhh, yeah...
[09:00] <dwidmann> 131,072
[09:00] <K-Ryan> 128 multiplied by 1000
[09:00] <stdin> K-Ryan: no, there are 8bits to 1 byte and 1024bytes to 1KB
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Are you serious? I always thought it was an even 1k
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Oh well, that's not bad
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Just means a little bit of my video card won't be used...
[09:01] <dwidmann> 2 ^ 10 = kb, 2 ^ 20 = mb 2 ^ 30 = gb ....
[09:01] <stdin> K-Ryan: and 1024KB to 1MB :P
[09:01] <shahid> i need to buy a cheap video card also
[09:02] <shahid> 64mb will do
[09:03] <stdin> K-Ryan: ok, you see a file called "sauerbraten_unix" ?
[09:03] <posingaspopular> K-Ryan: im downloading it right now
[09:03] <dwidmann> shahid, you can probably get an nvidia 6600GT for a good price
[09:04] <K-Ryan> Hold on ooonnneeee second, I'm setting up my drivers
[09:06] <juano> K`zan: i figured it out, in input device section at Xorg.conf you need to change   Option  xkblayout "us"  ----> to ---->  Option xkblayout  "us,es"
[09:06] <juano> K`zan: it worked, thats for spanish
[09:06] <K-Ryan> what's my "monitor's horizontal sync range?"
[09:06] <K-Ryan> fancy wording for front width?
[09:06] <shahid> dwidmann: yeh i'll take a look on ebuyer i think.. i saw some good prices for decent nVidia cards their last week
[09:07] <dwidmann> That would be something to get from either the internet, or the monitor's manual
[09:07] <naluri> hai
[09:07] <dwidmann> it's one of the factors used to determine resolution and refresh rate
[09:07] <K-Ryan> Yes I can tell
[09:07] <K-Ryan> The setup told me that
[09:07] <shahid> dwidmann: i only need something very basic really so im not relying on the small bit of ram i have
[09:07] <K`zan> juano: Glad to be able to help!
[09:07] <naluri> hello k-ryan
[09:08] <dwidmann> shahid, the 6600gt is a couple generations old, it probably wouldn't be more than $50
[09:08] <naluri> hai k'zan
[09:08] <juano> K`zan:  :-) thanks
[09:08] <K-Ryan> There we go
[09:08] <K-Ryan> Finally made it through all of that
[09:09] <K-Ryan> Oh what the, why does glxinfo | grep direct still say "direct rendering: No"
[09:09] <shahid> dwidmann: yes i think ur right, but to me it's still very recent hardware because im not really a gamer. sounds good anyway, i've never owned a graphics card that ends with letter before :)
[09:09] <K-Ryan> just means that it isn't supported by default?
[09:09] <K-Ryan> Because I did just set up the ATI driver thing
[09:09] <K-Ryan> Anyway, now for someone to help me setup sauerbraten
[09:10] <K-Ryan> if its as easy as i think it is, im going to hit myself...
[09:11] <stdin> K-Ryan: it's quite easy :)
[09:11] <K-Ryan> no it isnt as easy as i thought it was
[09:11] <K-Ryan> I don't know what this chmod +x "ing" is
[09:11] <naluri> what is this..
[09:11] <K-Ryan> trying to install a game
[09:12] <K-Ryan> stdin, explain to me what I am to do
[09:12] <stdin> K-Ryan: you don't need to chmod it, don't worry about it
[09:12] <K-Ryan> Then what do I do?
[09:12] <naluri> itriying to install a game
[09:12] <naluri> then what do i do
[09:12] <stdin> K-Ryan: Right-click on the desktop, choose "Create New -> Link to Application"
[09:13] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: chmod = change mode = change permissions, the x stands for executable, the + means to add it, so you're basically making the file executable.
[09:13] <naluri> you don't need to chomd it, dont worry about it
[09:13] <naluri> ??????????????????????????????
[09:13] <naluri> ?????????????????????????/
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <stdin> K-Ryan: call it "Sauerbraten" or what ever you want, click on the  "Application" tab
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <K-Ryan> where do i put in the path to the file?
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:13] <K-Ryan> in workpath?
[09:13] <dwidmann> You can stop now naluri
[09:14] <naluri> 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:14] <naluri> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:14] <K-Ryan> Yeah what the hell is he doing?
[09:14] <stdin> naluri: give it a rest
[09:14] <naluri> ok dwidmannnnn
[09:14] <K-Ryan> Eh, no matter, continue
[09:14] <naluri> hahaha..
[09:14] <naluri> ok stdin
[09:15] <naluri> now i tell u
[09:15] <naluri> ............
[09:15] <stdin> K-Ryan: In the name part call it "Sauerbraten", in the command part, click browse and set it to where "'sauerbraten_unix" is
[09:15] <naluri> K-Ryan: In the name part call it "Sauerbraten", in the command part, click browse and set it to where "'sauerbraten_unix" is
[09:16] <naluri> Eh, no matter, continue
[09:16] <naluri> ?????????????????????????
[09:16] <naluri> You can stop now naluri
[09:16] <naluri> naluri: give it a rest
[09:16] <K-Ryan> bin_unix or the linux_client?
[09:16] <naluri>  bin_unix or the linux_client?
[09:17] <K-Ryan> Alright well naluri just earned an ignore
[09:17] <naluri> <-- rexbron has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[09:17] <naluri> Alright well naluri just earned an ignore
[09:17] <K-Ryan> Anyway, stdin do I put the command to bin_unix or linux_client?
[09:17] <stdin> K-Ryan: go up one directory, there is a file called "sauerbraten_unix" use that
[09:17] <K-Ryan> oh, yeah i see it
[09:17] <dwidmann> and a second ignore :\
[09:17] <juano> where can i set my apps that run on startup? i already put a script with +x in /etc/init.d
[09:17] <juano> it doesnt work
[09:17] <naluri>  where can i set my apps that run on startup? i already put a script with +x in /etc/init.d
[09:18] <K-Ryan> testing...
[09:18] <naluri>  where can i set my apps that run on startup? i already put a script with +x in /etc/init.d
[09:18] <naluri> testing...
[09:18] <naluri> it doesnt work
[09:18] <K-Ryan> it was loading
[09:18] <stdin> K-Ryan: then if the "Work path" you need to set it to the same directory that sauerbraten_unix is in
[09:18] <K-Ryan> nothing happened
[09:18] <K-Ryan> oh, heh =)
[09:18] <naluri> K-Ryan: then if the "Work path" you need to set it to the same directory that sauerbraten_unix is in
[09:18] <naluri> what happen now....
[09:19] <naluri> oh, heh =)
[09:19] <K-Ryan> testing again...
[09:19] <stdin> naluri: any reason for you behaving like that?
[09:19] <juano> naluri: you bored_
[09:19] <K-Ryan> naluri is ignored =)
[09:19] <naluri> no.. just kidding only
[09:19] <naluri> naluri is ignored =)
[09:20] <naluri> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha......
[09:20] <stdin> go kidd in #kubuntu-offtopic , not in a support channel please
[09:20] <K-Ryan> stdin when i try to open it it justs loads then disapears
[09:21] <K-Ryan> under the general tab it says type: desktop config file
[09:21] <K-Ryan> could that be a problem?
[09:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: no, it's supposed to say that
[09:22] <K-Ryan> okay, then is there anything else?
[09:23] <K-Ryan> under permissions i made it executable
[09:23] <K-Ryan> application the lines read like this
[09:23] <K-Ryan> Sauerbraten, Sauerbraten, /home/ryan/Desktop/sauerbraten/sauerbraten_unix, /home/ryan/Desktop/sauerbraten
[09:24] <stdin> K-Ryan: Try not making it executable, desktop links don't need to be (and shouldn't be)
[09:24] <K-Ryan> nothing
[09:25] <K-Ryan> Did it work for you?
[09:25] <stdin> yeah
[09:25] <K-Ryan> =(
[09:25] <bartist> hello, i love kubuntu
[09:25] <bartist> but because of sound pb, i might use another distro
[09:25] <bartist> hello, i love kubuntu
[09:25] <bartist> but because of sound pb, i might use another distro
[09:25] <bartist> my sound works when it wants
[09:25] <bartist> its getting me crasy!
[09:25] <bartist> one day it works, and the other it doesn't
[09:26] <bartist> it's veery frustrating
[09:26] <K-Ryan> stdin is there anyway i can run it through maybe the terminal and find out whats wrong?
[09:27] <stdin> K-Ryan: yeah, open konsole, type "cd Desktop/sauerbraten" , then "./sauerbraten_unix"
[09:28] <stdin> K-Ryan: the './' part is important, do don't forget it :)
[09:28] <K-Ryan> bash: cd: desktop/sauerbraten: no such file or directory
[09:29] <stdin> K-Ryan: case sensitive "cd Desktop/sauerbraten" not "cd desktop/sauerbraten"
[09:29] <K-Ryan> oh, sorry used to windows
[09:29] <K-Ryan> ah yes, much better
[09:29] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> is kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[09:29] <K-Ryan> runs KDE instead of GNOME
[09:29] <K-Ryan> It's a personal choice thing
[09:30] <Dasnipa`> tHeTrUetheOnethe, kubuntu is ubuntu technically
[09:30] <K-Ryan> ./bin_unix/linux_client: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:30] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: depends what you like, try both
[09:30] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> which one better for a noob
[09:30] <K-Ryan> Either
[09:30] <K-Ryan> I'm new too, Ubuntu is nice
[09:30] <K-Ryan> But I happen to like Kubuntu
[09:30] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> can i go above 1024 screen resolution
[09:30] <K-Ryan> My friend however likes Ubuntu
[09:30] <K-Ryan> Should be able to
[09:30] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> do i need to change something?
[09:31] <K-Ryan> As in manually change your screen resolution?
[09:31] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: you can go as high as your graphics card and monitor can support
[09:31] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> settings in ubuntu limited to 1024
[09:31] <K-Ryan> what stdin said
[09:31] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> do i need to install drivers?
[09:32] <stdin> !xconfig
[09:32] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[09:32] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: use that 2nd command
[09:32] <bartist> what do you know about x sound server?
[09:32] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> thanks ill try that
[09:33] <stdin> K-Ryan: try installing "libsdl1.2debian-all"
[09:34] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> can i install kubuntu and then ubuntu on top?
[09:34] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
[09:34] <K-Ryan> yes?
[09:34] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: yeah, you can use both installed on the same system
[09:35] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> how do i switch between them?
[09:35] <stdin> K-Ryan: actually, just install "libsdl1.2debian": sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian
[09:35] <K-Ryan> that's what i typed
[09:35] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: you would choose which you want to run before you login
[09:35] <stdin> K-Ryan: without the "all" on the end
[09:36] <K-Ryan> oh...
[09:36] <K-Ryan> umm well i already went through with it *shrug*
[09:36] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> neat
[09:36] <lovloss> any blendermeisters here?
[09:36] <lovloss> (aka, masters of blender 3d)
[09:37] <K-Ryan> it's still not working! =(
[09:37] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> whats the difference between a CD and DVD distro
[09:37] <stdin> K-Ryan: it doesn't really matter too much, now try running the game from konsole again
[09:37] <lovloss> dvd probably has more stuff on it
[09:37] <K-Ryan> same error
[09:38] <K-Ryan> error loading libsdl_image-1.2.so.0
[09:38] <K-Ryan> thats the main part
[09:38] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: the dvd has the Desktop install and the text mode install, it also has some packages on the DVD so you can use it to install some packages
[09:39] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> are they worth installing?
[09:39] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: there are a lot of packages on it, some are, some aren't
[09:40] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> when newer version of kubuntu come out, do i have to reinstall it completely?
[09:40] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: no, you can just upgrade
[09:40] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> cool
[09:40] <stdin> K-Ryan: try "sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2"
[09:40] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> how much disk space do i need for both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[09:41] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> and other apps
[09:42] <K-Ryan> now i dont have libsdl_mixer-1.2.so.0
[09:42] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: usually around 10GB is fine, but it depends if you're going to be downloading a lot
[09:43] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> does it use pagefiles like windows?
[09:44] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: it can, but it uses a swap partition, so the page file is on it's own partition
[09:44] <K-Ryan> now its not letting me cd Desktop/sauerbraten
[09:44] <K-Ryan> i fixed the mixer thing
[09:45] <K-Ryan> and i get how to get the other files
[09:45] <K-Ryan> but now i can't cd it
[09:45] <K-Ryan> to test and find what i need
[09:45] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> but it will still take up the space of that 10gb partition right?
[09:45] <stdin> K-Ryan: are you sure you aren't already in there?
[09:45] <K-Ryan> ryan@ryan-desktop:/$
[09:45] <blekos> anoyone nows how to make vlc the default player for firefox?
[09:46] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: no, you give it it's own partition
[09:46] <stdin> K-Ryan: what error do you get with "cd Desktop" then ?
[09:46] <K-Ryan> bash: cd: Desktop/sauerbraten: No such file or directory
[09:47] <stdin> K-Ryan: just try "cd Desktop"
[09:47] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> will i be able to use fat32 partitions for storage?
[09:47] <K-Ryan> no such file or directory o.O
[09:48] <stdin> K-Ryan: type "ls" to list what files and dirs there are
[09:48] <K-Ryan> bin   cdrom  etc   initrd      lib         media  opt   root  srv  tmp  var
[09:48] <K-Ryan> boot  dev    home  initrd.img  lost+found  mnt    proc  sbin  sys  usr  vmlinuz
[09:49] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: yeah, you can use any partition type you want, but windows understands fat32 too, so it's good for sharing files between windows and linux
[09:49] <stdin> K-Ryan: you're in / for some reason :P
[09:49] <K-Ryan> uhh, how do i get out?
[09:49] <stdin> K-Ryan: just type "cd" to go back to your home
[09:49] <K-Ryan> nvm..
[09:49] <K-Ryan> It's a habit from windows...
[09:50] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> is sudo used to run commands?
[09:51] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> while sh to run files?
[09:51] <posingaspopular> #join ubuntu-marketing
[09:51] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: no, sudo is used to run commands as root (super user), sh is a shell, like DOS is a shell and bash is too
[09:51] <stdin> !sudo
[09:51] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:52] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> what does sudo -s do?
[09:52] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> give u super-powers?
[09:53] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: it lets you use the root account while maintaining the location of the home dir and others, that link has all that information
[09:54] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> oh ok thanks
[09:54] <stdin> tHeTrUetheOnethe: they explain it better on the link than I can :P
[09:54] <amigaflame> hello guys, could someone told me what is the differences between suse and kubuntu?
[09:55] <mineur> it's a different distro
[09:55] <amigaflame> yes i know that but what are the real differences?
[09:55] <stdin> there are a lot
[09:56] <amigaflame> which is better? im using suse
[09:56] <stdin> suse is RPM, Kubuntu is DEB
[09:56] <mineur> package system to install software
[09:56] <mineur> :)
[09:56] <mineur> it's all about preferences :) I prefer deb
[09:57] <stdin> can't stand rpms
[09:57] <stdin> dependency hell :P
[09:57] <mineur> once there was a time it was the only option available :d
[09:57] <ForgeAus> help! I need to apply a patch to pydance
[09:58] <ForgeAus> I don't even know hwere it installed itself to and which file to patch
[09:58] <mineur> amigaflame: I'd say give .deb a try... and you'll never want another system again :)
[09:58] <ForgeAus> all I know is I need to apply pydance.patch to it...
[09:59] <ciapsadm> Salutare!
[10:00] <mineur> !it
[10:00] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:00] <mineur> my italian isn't that great :p
[10:01] <amigaflame> i ll try it, i used to have windows but since i try linux theres no way back : )
[10:04] <flo> stupid question but i'vd just discoverd linux and i'm triing to learn c in my spare time, now with kate how can i insert an automatic space in at the begining of a new line?indentantion sourd of
[10:05] <Xemanth> how do I format usb memory sticks in kubuntu ?
[10:08] <ForgeAus> ahh I found out.... its a patch for fontfx.py file under pydance to get it running under edgy
[10:08] <ForgeAus> now it worx!
[10:09] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> !gksudo
[10:09] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using "sudo <GUI-application>"
[10:13] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> what is the equivalent of gksudo "gnome-open %u" in kubuntu?
[10:14] <spawn57> kdesu I think
[10:14] <spawn57> that's to open a program as root
[10:16] <hyper_ch> any OOo Calc pros here? got a problem with the lookup function
[10:16] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> kdesu "kde-open %u"?
[10:16] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> !kdesu
[10:16] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:16] <bartist> i give up
[10:16] <bartist> bye bye kubuntu
[10:16] <bartist> hello mepi
[10:16] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> whats wrong
[10:17] <hyper_ch> bartist: what's not working?
[10:17] <bartist> my sound works only when it wants!!
[10:17] <bartist> one day it works, the other is doesnt
[10:18] <bartist> i ve been through all the guides and tutorials out there
[10:18] <bartist> and nothing works
[10:18] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> oh ya sound can be a bitch
[10:18] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> what soundcard u have
[10:18] <spawn57> do you use any usb sound devices?
[10:18] <bartist> intel ac97
[10:19] <bartist> sometime i plug my ipod
[10:19] <bartist> last time i had sound, it was just before sound server crashed, while running amarok with my ipod plugged
[10:19] <The_Paranoid> anyone knows how to bind a network-card to an interface ? eth0 and eth1 are switching places every reboot :(
[10:20] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> ipod is probably causing the problem
[10:20] <bartist> it is unplugged now
[10:20] <bartist> and still no sound!
[10:20] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> no idea then
[10:21] <stdin> The_Paranoid: yeah, yo need to put it in /etc/iftab like "eth0 MAC-ADDRESS"
[10:21] <bartist> well i try mepis
[10:21] <bartist> see ya
[10:21] <The_Paranoid> stdin: k, thx :)
[10:21] <tHeTrUetheOnethe> gl
[10:22] <spawn57> The_Paranoid: fill out the detials in /etc/network , you might have to look into a howto for that
[10:22] <stdin> The_Paranoid: look at "man 5 iftab" for more info on it
[10:22] <The_Paranoid> k, will do, thx ;)
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> as*
[10:22] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use K wireless manager to connect to a internet connection.  Is there a way to enter a  WPA PSK into it?
[10:23] <ForgeAus> fsview is interesting!
[10:33] <blekos> is it possible to have smg in system tray to show my the network connection icons (smg like gnome/ windows have)
[10:35] <blekos> is it possible to have smg in system tray to show my the network connection icons (smg like gnome/ windows have)
[10:40] <fdoving> blekos: yes. for example 'knemo'.
[10:40] <waylandbill> fdoving: for some reason I had trouble remembering nemo. All I kept thinking of was nero. ;-D
[10:40] <makuseru> how can i see the version of a program?
[10:41] <makuseru> whats the terminal command
[10:41] <fdoving> makuseru: depends on the program.. which program is this?
[10:42] <makuseru> fglrx
[10:42] <fdoving> the driver?
[10:42] <makuseru> yes
[10:43] <fdoving> i'd recommend opening adept manager, and searching for the package in the list, then when you find it click it
[10:43] <makuseru> i didnt know it was in there
[10:55] <waylandbill> anyone know what gcc will work with a 2.4 kernel os? 3.4?
[10:57] <stdin> waylandbill: yeah, 3.4 should work
[11:13] <stamen> !agent
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about agent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <weedar> Some python game screwed up my viewport, it is now 640x480, while the resolution is 1024x768. Can I fix this without rebooting or restarting KDE?
[11:16] <stdin> weedar: try switching to TTY1 then back to TTY7
[11:17] <weedar> didn't work stdin
[11:18] <stdin> weedar: can you change it in System Settings, set it to 640x480 (for example) then back to 1024x768
[11:20] <weedar> stdin: where in system settings? Under "monitor & display" all I get is "the module monitor & display cannot be loaded"
[11:22] <stdin> weedar: try Alt-F2 and in there type "kcmshell Peripherals/displayconfig"
[11:23] <weedar> stdin: still get "module coudl not be loaded" :/
[11:24] <stdin> weedar: hmm, you may just have to logout and back in then
[11:25] <weedar> argh, how annoying :) thanks for your help though stdin
[11:26] <stdin> no problem :) something strange has happened if you keep getting "module .... cannot be loaded"
[11:29] <weedar> Got a tip from someone in #kde - krandrtray
[11:29] <php-freak> where can I get a text browser at, or can firefox do this?
[11:29] <weedar> It's a realy fancy utility that enables you to change resolution on-the-fly
[11:32] <stdin> php-freak: you mean in a console ?
[11:32] <php-freak> just at text based browser
[11:33] <waylandbill> lynx, links, elinks
[11:37] <kuw88> #kuwait
[11:37] <balint> Hi everybody! How can i change my K menu to a kbfx one?
[11:38] <balint> i select the spinx with kbfxconfig, but no effect, even after restarting X :(
[11:38] <kuw88> all the bady use linux?
[11:42] <balint> ni idea how to make kbfx working?
[11:45] <stdin> balint: you need to add it to the panel, it's an applet
[11:46] <Raffy> dwidmann: i've finish the download :D
[11:46] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[11:46] <Raffy> can i install it on a SATA disk?
[11:46] <weedar> How can I set a package to be held back, so it doesn't get replaced by other packages?
[11:48] <stdin> Raffy: you can install kubuntu on a SATA, yeah
[11:48] <Raffy> i hope that it work :
[11:48] <Raffy> i hopeit work* :
[11:48] <Raffy> i hope it work* :
[11:48] <Raffy> XD
[11:51] <balint> stdin: thx, i guess i remain at the classic menu :)
[11:52] <stdin> balint: you can remove the old menu if you don't want it
[11:54] <balint> stdin: i know but i dont like the new one, cause they're not transparent
[11:55] <stdin> ahh :)
[11:56] <balint> stdin: im a big transperancy fan :) and now i would like to fin out if its possible to remove the borders of the "old" K menu. cause if I make it 100% transparent, than the borders arent trans. and they're ugly :(
[11:57] <KennethP> When installing the webdeveloper 1.0.2 extention on Firefox 2.0.0.1 via Adept on Kubuntu 6.10 I see this 'Not compatible with Firefox 2.0.0.1' message' - the developer claims that it should be... any ideas?
[11:58] <Raffy> what is swap?
[11:58] <Raffy> asd
[11:58] <aakarsh> finally irc in firefox
[11:58] <benjamin> ?
[11:58] <ForgeAus> chatzilla?
[11:58] <aakarsh> yup
[11:58] <ForgeAus> its not new
[11:59] <aakarsh> didnt try it before
[11:59] <ForgeAus> mozilla had it for LONG time
[11:59] <aakarsh> i know :)
[11:59] <aakarsh> new to me any way
[11:59] <stdin> !swap | Raffy
[11:59] <ubotu> Raffy: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[11:59] <ForgeAus> I still like konversation better
[11:59] <aakarsh> yeah but chatzilla is ubiquitous
[12:00] <dinosaur-rus> does anybody know if it'll be possible to use asterisks in Feisty's password boxes?
[12:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> anyone know anything about msec?
[12:05] <stdin> what's that?
[12:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> security for mandriva, theyre making one for ubuntu
[12:06] <stdin> what dose it do exactly ?
[12:07] <TurnTheOtherWay> sets a security level, you type into console and it sets level e.g 3 is a security level for internet ithink
[12:07] <TurnTheOtherWay> !msec
[12:07] <tobias_> hello ?
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about msec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <TurnTheOtherWay> !usec
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <TurnTheOtherWay> !security
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about security - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <TurnTheOtherWay> damn that bot
[12:09] <tobias_> o.o
[12:10] <tobias_> do you think you can help me ? i got a problem with my video-card
[12:10] <stdin> looks like it's only available as an RMP
[12:10] <stdin> *RPM
[12:10] <TurnTheOtherWay> whats an rpm?
[12:10] <stdin> !rpm
[12:10] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:11] <stdin> tobias_: what's the problem? and the card?
[12:11] <esben> stdin: What video card is it, anyway?
[12:12] <stdin> esben: huh?
[12:12] <tobias_> nvidia 7600 gs ... it doesn#t show that it's there. it's like it doesn't detect there is one
[12:12] <esben> stdin: sorry, misclick :}
[12:13] <stdin> tobias_: ls it a PCI card? and if so, does it show in lspci?
[12:13] <tobias_> PCIe yes .... what's lspci ?
[12:13] <stdin> tobias_: it lists the pci cars you have. in konsole
[12:14] <stdin> *cards
[12:14] <tobias_> that#s what it shows 00:0f.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0377 (rev a2)
[12:14] <TurnTheOtherWay> alright... being a newb, i could use a little info Quote "Linux makes it easy to construct firewalls that protect your system against hackers ". is a firewall required for kubuntu, and if so how dyou get one?
[12:15] <TurnTheOtherWay> supreme noobety :)
[12:15] <esben> tobias_: I run that card or one very similar without problems. You want to install linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx
[12:16] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: you don't *need* one, unless you are running an open server, and it's already installed, built in, you'd just need a frontend, like firestarter
[12:16] <tobias_> i did that yesterday i think
[12:16] <stdin> tobias_: what dose "lspci|grep VGA" show ?
[12:16] <esben> tobias_: Very well, try "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log". Does that give you anything with nvidia in it?
[12:17] <tobias_> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0392 (rev a1)
[12:17] <esben> tobias_: Ignore stuff like (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom
[12:17] <tobias_> from the first one
[12:17] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: whats a frontend? and  theres a built-in one?
[12:18] <tobias_> tat's all :
[12:18] <tobias_>         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[12:18] <tobias_> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[12:18] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: a frontend is a front end GUI, you just install it, you don't need a frontend to use it, but iptables (the linux firewall) can get complex
[12:19] <esben> tobias_: And grep nvidia /var/log/Xorg.0.log gives you about three lines with (II) in front?
[12:19] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: where do you get firestarter from? it comes with?
[12:19] <stdin> tobias_: what dose "lspci|grep VGA" show ? "PCI bridge" is not a graphics vard
[12:20] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: it's available in the ubuntu repositories, you just install it with adept
[12:20] <tobias_> yes
[12:20] <tobias_> three lines with (II)
[12:21] <tobias_> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0392 (rev a1)
[12:21] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: could you give me a link or instruct for that?
[12:21] <stdin> tobias_: so the card is detected
[12:21] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: ive looked at package installations and they seem somewhat... complicated
[12:22] <tobias_> ok
[12:22] <esben> tobias_: Try running glxgears (it is in the mesa-utils) package... if that turns out alright, I rather think the card is working perfectly
[12:22] <esben> tobias_: Or do you have a specific reason to why it shouldn't work?
[12:22] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: it's not, you just open adept, click the package you want, then choose install, then apply. then it's done
[12:22] <tobias_> no ... i'll try that now
[12:23] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: there is, however, a guide here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:23] <esben> tobias_: glxgears -info will print some extra info, if you care
[12:23] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: tasty, thanks a lot :) ill go install kubuntu lol.
[12:24] <esben> tobias_: If it says stuff like : GL_VERSION    = 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.76
[12:24] <waylandbill> aptitude is a nice alternative. It tracks what depedencies are not needed any longer when removing.
[12:24] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: if you're ever stuck on how to do something in Kubuntu, or need help, this is why we're here :)
[12:25] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: hopefully next time i have a question i'll be able to ask in while using kubuntu not windows ;)
[12:25] <tobias_> hmm it's working
[12:26] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: I hope so too :)
[12:26] <TurnTheOtherWay> i'll probably end up with tobias's problem :o lol. see you in kubuntu all!
[12:26] <tobias_> o,O
[12:26] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[12:27] <Hug> hey
[12:27] <TurnTheOtherWay> oh one last thing, does kubuntu come with skype or somesuch attacked?
[12:27] <TurnTheOtherWay> *attached
[12:27] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: no, but there is a simple way to install it, takes 2 mins :)
[12:27] <tobias_> hmm but uhm ... i still can't put my resolution higher than 1024X 768
[12:28] <esben> tobias_: Probably you x configuration, one sec
[12:28] <stdin> tobias_: that's nothing to do with the card, that's to do with xorg
[12:28] <stdin> !xconf | tobias_
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[12:28] <stdin> !xconfig | tobias_
[12:28] <ubotu> tobias_: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[12:28] <Hug> i wanted to change grub's theme like this: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29962&forummode=2&forumpage=0&forumexplevel=99 where du i have to place the entry: splashimage=(hd1,0)/boot/grub/grubuntu.xpm.gz in menu.lst
[12:28] <esben> ubotu: thanks :)
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <stdin> tobias_: use that command at the end to allow you to go bigger than 1024x768
[12:29] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: do you need password for every app you open???
[12:29] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: it says "select adept, enter your password..."
[12:30] <Hug> do i have to change other things in the file?
[12:30] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: no, only the ones that need super user privileges, installing software, changing system configuration, that type of stuff
[12:31] <TurnTheOtherWay> ahh and thats set on install. k cheers
[12:31] <stdin> Hug: no, just add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst (best to put it under the part that says "# Pretty colours")
[12:32] <Hug> hm, ok, without a sharp?
[12:32] <tobias_> uhm no it doesn't i think  *noob*
[12:33] <stdin> Hug: just add the line as you wrote it here, under that part, you don't put a "#" in
[12:33] <tobias_> [ ]  1152x768                                                         
[12:33] <tobias_>       [*]  1024x768
[12:33] <Hug> kk, thx
[12:34] <tobias_> mhh i gotta go
[12:34] <tobias_> bye bye
[12:36] <buz> is there a way to get hyphenation for en-us in openoffice on edgy?
[12:44] <Ash-Fox> Is it normal to get this message in apt-build when building packages?: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!?
[12:44] <Ash-Fox> Well, actually, when installing them after building them (apt-build install)
[12:45] <stdin> Ash-Fox: yeah, that's normal
[12:46] <Ash-Fox> Thanks.. A bit missleading to fail on that though
[12:47] <stdin> Ash-Fox: it's because it's looking for your GPG key (as you built the package)
[12:48] <Ash-Fox> Oh I understand, it's just a bit puzzling why they didn't get it to ignore the error in the first case.. after all you just typed 'apt-buld install <package>'
[12:48] <Ash-Fox> err warning
[12:49] <waylandbill> stdin: if you have a GPG key, will it know to use it?
[12:50] <Ash-Fox> waylandbill, I'm guessing it needs to in the root account, because it certainly didn't use the gpg key set in my user account :P
[12:50] <stdin> depends on how you have it set up, sometimes it'll build as root, and root won't have a key
[12:50] <waylandbill> stdin: right. didn't think of that.
[12:51] <stdin> you could copy your ~/.gnupg dir to /root (and make sure the permissions are set up right), then I think it would use your key
[12:52] <waylandbill> I've never used it, but might check it out. Don't know how much benefit is gained optimizing anything outside the kernel though.
[12:52] <stdin> as long as you make sure to set it to use your name & email address in the maintainer field
[12:52] <stdin> I use 'checkinstall' it's easier for single apps imo
[12:53] <waylandbill> I've used checkinstall, but adept then wants to notify that there is an update. :-D
[12:54] <stdin> then give it a stupid version number, like "99999" :P
[12:54] <Ash-Fox> "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10" argh...
[12:54] <waylandbill> yeah but then it'll never notify when a newer comes available
[12:55] <Ash-Fox> I hate working on systems that have barely any of the dev files installed, always weird bugs like this
[12:55] <stdin> waylandbill: then make you mind up what you want :P
[12:55] <waylandbill> hehe
[12:55] <stdin> Ash-Fox: check the pre-install script for where it may be failing
[12:56] <tobias_> hmm there is still nothing working as it should :/
[12:57] <andreasw> Kubuntu changed my xorg.conf without any reason to vesa and set the keyboard to us (from de) why?
[12:58] <stdin> andreasw: it wouldn't do it "for no reason"
[12:58] <andreasw> stdin: it did
[12:58] <andreasw> stdin: I did not change any hardware
[12:58] <andreasw> stdin: And I also did not change my german keyboard to an us one ^
[12:58] <andreasw> ^
[12:58] <stdin> andreasw: a user must have done something to change it, the system can't just change itself like that
[12:59] <andreasw> stdin: It can like a realized after starting my computer this morning I had that changes in my xorg.conf
[01:00] <stdin> andreasw: the system it's self won't do it, a user has to do something to make it do it, have you reconfigured you're xserver ?
[01:01] <andreasw> stdin: No I didn't reconfigure it. And I wouldn't also set the keyboard to us and my graphic card driver to vesa because I have a nvidia card and put nvidia in there.
[01:01] <andreasw> I always configure xorg.conf with vim
[01:02] <stdin> andreasw: just change it back, something a user did made the system change it
[01:03] <andreasw> stdin: I already did that but I can't get it why my xorg.conf was replaced
[01:04] <stdin> andreasw: either someone installed something that changed it, or ran a command to change it. It wouldn't have changes on its own, it can't
[01:04] <waylandbill> it has to be something that was done as the super user for sure.
[01:05] <tobias_> o,O i still can't put my resolution higher than 1024X 768 ... i really doN#t know what to do
[01:05] <andreasw> stdin: and what should that be?
[01:05] <stdin> andreasw: check your logs: /var/log/auth.log
[01:06] <andreasw> stdin: I work here alone at the computer and nobody can connect to the computer via ssh for example so nobody changed the config file
[01:07] <waylandbill> like stdin said. check the auth.log. it had to be done as root.
[01:07] <andreasw> I already did that and o wonder nobody had changed it
[01:08] <waylandbill> I can't think of anything that would just change it without someone initiating some command
[01:08] <andreasw> But I see there is no use to discuss any longer here because nobody will believe that I didn't make any changes myself and I don't know which of my installed packages should change the xorg.conf
[01:08] <stdin> kubuntu can't just decide to change ti, somebody or some command/script changed it
[01:10] <hak5fan> Hi.... I think I managed to install the drivers for my Nvidia Gfx card I used this "guide": http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=421665&highlight=nvidia+version+mismatch+x+window
[01:10] <hak5fan> how can I make sure the drivers are really installed
[01:11] <stdin> hak5fan: what dose "modprobe -l nvidia" show ?
[01:12] <andreasw> Jan 14 12:46:28 andyskiste python2.4: Graphics card hardware has changed. Reconfiguring xorg.conf using 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'.
[01:12] <andreasw> Jan 14 12:46:30 andyskiste python2.4: dpkg-reconfigure:
[01:12] <andreasw> Jan 14 12:46:30 andyskiste python2.4: Writing graphics card hardware list to /var/lib/guidance/guidance-gfxhardware-snapshot
[01:12] <hak5fan> 2 sec
[01:12] <andreasw> aptitude is my dear friend
[01:13] <hak5fan> obbs copied two much there
[01:13] <andreasw> or some program which produces this line
[01:14] <andreasw> So please don't tell me only the user can change the xorg.conf
[01:14] <stdin> when did I say ONLY a user can change it?
[01:14] <hak5fan> "/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko"
[01:14] <stdin> I said a user or script
[01:14] <andreasw> stdin: Well you said the system doesn't do this without a user
[01:14] <stdin> and I was right, it as a script
[01:14] <stdin> hak5fan: then it's installed
[01:15] <andreasw> stdin: andreasw: a user must have done something to change it, the system can't just change itself like that
[01:15] <hak5fan> thanx
[01:15] <andreasw> andreasw: I just checked the time it was at the system start
[01:15] <andreasw> lol
[01:15] <andreasw> @ stdin
[01:15] <stdin> andreasw: and what initiated the script to run?
[01:16] <andreasw> stdin: I am here to ask that maybe a script in a runlevel
[01:16] <andreasw> stdin: I am no kubuntu expert but I will check out the scripts probably there is a hardware detection script
[01:16] <andreasw> stdin: which is run at every startup
[01:19] <andreasw> unfortunatelly the log only says python
[01:19] <stdin> andreasw: /etc/init.d/kde-guidance which runs /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig-hwprobe.py , it detects changes in hardware
[01:19] <andreasw> stdin: ah ok
[01:19] <stdin> andreasw: so it must have detected a change for some reason
[01:20] <stdin> andreasw: and gone and reconfigured the xorg.conf file
[01:20] <andreasw> stdin: ok now I know the reason
[01:20] <andreasw> stdin: And you know that the system can make such crazy things ;)
[01:20] <stdin> andreasw: but you didn't change the hardware ?
[01:20] <andreasw> stdin: No I didn't
[01:21] <stdin> andreasw: then it shouldn't have changed it ??
[01:21] <andreasw> stdin: Thats what I want to say all the time hehe
[01:21] <stdin> andreasw: it's only used for when you change graphics hardware
[01:21] <andreasw> stdin: So it is a bug
[01:22] <stdin> andreasw: you said it changed it for no reason, it thought it had a reason :P
[01:22] <andreasw> stdin: which most probable is not repruduceable and so it is hard to fill out a bug report
[01:23] <stdin> andreasw: true, bur report it anyway, giving as much info as possible, and copies of logs
[01:24] <andreasw> dapper had less bugs
[01:24] <andreasw> ;)
[01:25] <stdin> I'm on feisty, so far it's stable :)
[01:25] <andreasw> yes if you don't look in the depth ^
[01:25] <andreasw> I had here kwalletbug, console font bug, hw detection bug
[01:26] <stdin> andreasw: if you look at the bugs for feisty, there aren't that many
[01:26] <balint> can i run the msn messenger with wine? :D
[01:26] <andreasw> stdin: not so many found ^^
[01:26] <stdin> balint: why not use kopete ?
[01:26] <andreasw> stdin: but I should install it in vmware to check if at least some edgy bugs don't exist there
[01:26] <balint> stdin: i am using kopete, but kopete yet is stupid :)
[01:27] <balint> stdin: for example i cnt save the animated emoticons that i recieve
[01:27] <andreasw> balint: I like it very much
[01:27] <stdin> andreasw: is your hard disk (P)ATA?
[01:27] <balint> stdin: only the default smileys can be used :(
[01:27] <andreasw> stdin: no it isn't
[01:28] <balint> andreasw: can you save the custom emoticons?
[01:28] <andreasw> balint: no I don't care about such eye candy ^^
[01:28] <stdin> andreasw: was going to warn you, everything is scsi in feisty, so your hda would be sda :P
[01:28] <andreasw> stdin: also normal IDE drives?
[01:29] <balint> andreasw: but is it possible?
[01:29] <stdin> andreasw: yes, even normal IDE https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[01:29] <andreasw> balint: I don't know but I think if you can't receive it it won't work
[01:30] <balint> well i can recieve them, i see them, i just cant save them :(
[01:30] <andreasw> stdin: back to the old days where you had to SCSI emulate your IDE burner to work for linux
[01:30] <Xera> custom emotes suck anyway
[01:30] <balint> Xera: :D but i used to use them :)
[01:31] <Xera> they're so damn annoying
[01:31] <Xera> xD
[01:31] <stdin> andreasw: I remember, now you'll have everything on a SCSI layer
[01:31] <andreasw> stdin: Can you still change settings with hdparm because it only works with IDE drives
[01:31] <balint> Xera: well there are sometimes, but i dont use them in every word, so i dont change leters to emoticons...
[01:32] <andreasw> stdin: I think I should go back to debian, less crazy changes to the system ;)
[01:32] <Xera> balint: lol
[01:33] <stdin> andreasw: don't know about hdparm, I haven't tried yet, but I doubt it works anymore
[01:34] <andreasw> stdin: How will I then change multiple sector cound to 16?
[01:34] <andreasw> stdin: Because that increases system responsability a lot under high hd load
[01:34] <hak5fan> I have some more problems with my installation.... When I try to boot ubuntu my pc just restarts... this happens excatly 50% of the time...
[01:34] <hak5fan> very strange don't you think?
[01:35] <andreasw> hak5fan: Check your RAM with memtest86+
[01:35] <stdin> andreasw: I haven't had a chance to read over the wiki page yet, only got the link a few mins ago, maybe it's not needed
[01:35] <andreasw> hak5fan: You can do that by selecting it from the boo menu at system startup
[01:36] <hak5fan> ok ill do that... btw how do you adress people in irc?
[01:36] <hak5fan> like you just did
[01:36] <andreasw> stdin: I hope so because if you can't change it it would be a big backstep
[01:36] <Xera> hak5fan: type part of the name then press tab
[01:36] <Xera> like hak *tab* = hak5fan
[01:36] <hak5fan> Xera: tnx
[01:37] <Xera> np
[01:37] <andreasw> I also don't understand why my second network device is eth2 and not eth1
[01:37] <stdin> andreasw: If I don't find out from the wiki, I'll ask in #ubuntu+1 later, see if they have an answer
[01:37] <kkosmo> someone can help me
[01:37] <kkosmo> ?
[01:38] <andreasw> stdin: ok
[01:38] <andreasw> kkosmo: Tell us your problem otherwise we can't know if we can help you
[01:38] <kkosmo> somone can help how i can print in printer lexmark z6100 what i need to do
[01:39] <kkosmo> i am in kubuntu 6.10
[01:39] <andreasw> kkosmo: go to system settings and configure it there
[01:39] <tobias_> hmm i still have problems with my video card ... appearently everything is installed and it detects the card but i can't put my resolution higher
[01:39] <kkosmo> yes but there no have this printer
[01:39] <andreasw> kkosmo: You will find that in the k-menu
[01:39] <kkosmo> in the list
[01:39] <andreasw> hmm
[01:40] <andreasw> kkosmo: Did you also google?
[01:40] <kkosmo> no
[01:40] <kkosmo> help
[01:41] <andreasw> the probelm is that I don't have that printer and so I don't know which driver you need or whether it is not supported
[01:41] <waylandbill> may not be a supported model.
[01:41] <kkosmo> ok i fing
[01:41] <kkosmo> find
[01:41] <kkosmo> that printerr
[01:41] <kkosmo> sec
[01:42] <Rythan> Speaking of printers, does anyone have experience with the Turboprint driver?
[01:42] <waylandbill> linuxprinting.org is usually a good place to start.
[01:42] <kkosmo> look in the model
[01:42] <kkosmo> i dont find my printer
[01:43] <matthias> hi
[01:43] <waylandbill> just because a printer can be bought doesn't mean it's supported under Linux, so you may be out of luck
[01:43] <kkosmo> i think that printer supported in linux
[01:43] <kkosmo> i have the list
[01:43] <kkosmo> of the printers that not supported
[01:43] <matthias> i want to use my pda with gnome! i got a connection, but i've got a  last question. the tutorial sais i have to open some ports on the firewall, what must i do to open them?
[01:44] <kkosmo> and my priner
[01:44] <matthias> following ports: 5678:tcp, 5679:tcp, 990:tcp
[01:44] <kkosmo> not in this list
[01:44] <Xera> matthias: unless you installed a firewall there isn't one
[01:44] <matthias> hmm ok
[01:44] <matthias> thx
[01:44] <matthias> no iptables?
[01:45] <Xera> dunno
[01:45] <matthias> Xera: ok
[01:45] <ctd_> Dear Experts , Need help with upping the screen resolution. Hardware .... Samsung 940BW Monitor supports 1440x900, Motherboard Intel 946GZIS , GMA3000 . Current resolution @ 1280x1024. Need help , tried editing xorg.conf , did no good.
[01:45] <tobias_> hey i got more or less the same problem
[01:45] <Xera> ctd_: ctrl alt - or +
[01:46] <ctd_> Xera : Did not understand that.
[01:46] <Xera> press ctrl + alt + "+"
[01:46] <ctd_> When and where ?
[01:46] <kkosmo> hi someone how i can format partition from the linux
[01:46] <kkosmo> ?
[01:47] <ctd_> Tobias_ : Do you have a similar problem with resolution etc ?
[01:47] <Xera> kkosmo: use cfdisk
[01:47] <tobias_> ctd: yes
[01:47] <Xera> ctd_: just press it, it'll change your resolution
[01:47] <stdin> kkosmo: what do you want format it as ?
[01:48] <ctd_> Xera : Just tried it , did not good.
[01:48] <Xera> ctd_: hmm
[01:48] <tobias_> nor did it here
[01:48] <Xera> well it works here
[01:48] <ctd_> Hmm
[01:49] <Xera> press Ctrl and Alt and plus or minus, not the ones under the f keys, the ones on the numpad
[01:49] <tobias_> i did that o,O
[01:49] <Xera> um
[01:49] <ctd_> yes , thats what I tried , no luck.
[01:49] <ctd_> Ok , I am running Kubuntu
[01:49] <ctd_> KDE
[01:49] <Xera> same
[01:49] <tobias_> same here
[01:49] <Xera> lol
[01:50] <tobias_> lol
[01:50] <Xera> Qt: 3.3.6
[01:50] <Xera> KDE: 3.5.2
[01:50] <Xera> kde-config: 1.0
[01:50] <stdin> ctd_: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" then choose the resolutions you want to be able to use
[01:50] <ctd_> Hmm , my guess is that there has to be tweak made to the xorg.conf with appropriate settings , just need to find the right settings. So far I hve put it the recommended vertical and horizontal refresh freqs etc.
[01:51] <ctd_> stdin : Are you a bot ?
[01:51] <stdin> ctd_: no :P
[01:51] <ctd_> :) Thank god !
[01:51] <Xera> !resolution
[01:51] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:51] <stdin> !xconfig
[01:51] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[01:52] <ctd_> stdin , let me try that , I am sure ubotu is a bot :)
[01:52] <Xera> well duh
[01:52] <Xera> XD
[01:52] <stdin> !bot
[01:52] <Xera> !botsnack
[01:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:52] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:52] <kkosmo> !printers
[01:52] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:52] <balint> i read somewhere that i can use pictures instead of usernames on login screen. how can i set that?
[01:53] <Xera> O_o?
[01:54] <ctd_> tobias_ : Did you try the reco from stdin ?
[01:55] <tobias_> could you give me that command again _
[01:55] <ctd_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[01:55] <ctd_> Hopefully if this works , I will get a new name , so far ctd has stood for crash test and die.
[01:55] <tobias_> mhh
[01:55] <tobias_> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[01:56] <ctd_> Hmm , perhaps you have some other installation or upgrade in progress.
[01:56] <stdin> tobias_: try: sudo fuser -k /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[01:57] <ctd_> stdin : what does fuser do ?
[01:57] <tobias_>    /var/cache/debconf/config.dat:  5869
[01:57] <stdin> ctd_: kills the process that's locked the file
[01:57] <ctd_> thx
[01:57] <ctd_> I can't wait to restart X now , thanks for your help. Bye
[01:57] <tobias_> ok and how do i enable another resolution there ?
[01:57] <fdoving> fuser -vki is nice. it'll ask you if you want to kill the process locking the file
[01:58] <matthias> hi everybody...i got some source from an svn an now i have to make ./bootstrap do i need some packages for bootstrap?
[01:58] <rolando> hola
[01:58] <tobias_> there are only 3 ones with a [*] 
[01:59] <rolando> is there a way to return to the default xorg settings automatically?
[01:59] <stdin> tobias_: select the ones you want to use, space bar selects them
[01:59] <matthias> rolando: you coult exec: dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[01:59] <tobias_> ahh thnx
[02:00] <matthias> then you are asked the default questions and a new xorg.conf is written
[02:00] <rolando> because i f*ucked up something and now when i try glxinfo my pc just freezes
[02:00] <stdin> rolando: use sudo before the command
[02:00] <matthias> oh yes sry: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[02:01] <stdin> matthias: and it's "xserver-xorg" not "xorg"
[02:01] <rolando> the sudo i knew thanx :)
[02:01] <rolando> but you see this is not automatic
[02:01] <jose__> hi all, one basic question... how cannot make gizmo start automaticly when i turn on kubuntu. Anyone could help?
[02:01] <rolando> i have to answer a lot of technical questions
[02:01] <tobias_> uhm and how do i make it stay like that ? when i press enter  and restart it it's the same it was before ... *stupid*
[02:02] <makuseru> where can i get ATI Radeon Drivers
[02:02] <rolando> what driver i want ati or radeon?
[02:02] <matthias> ok so it would be: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:02] <matthias> !ati
[02:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:02] <jose__> sorry, i meant "I", not "how" :;D
[02:02] <stdin> jose__: in Konqueror, go to "~/.kde/Autostart" and add a link to application there that points to gizmo
[02:02] <jose__> thanks stdin!
[02:03] <matthias> stdin: is there an Autostart folder for gnome?
[02:03] <stdin> matthias: no, but there is another method to do it
[02:03] <kkosmo> !games
[02:03] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[02:03] <kkosmo> lol
[02:03] <Xera> "The model number for your Radeon card is a 9500 pro or above" damn, so my radeon 9250 won't work? :(
[02:03] <tobias_> stdin ... how i make it stay like that (with the resolution) ... i can select the ones i want and press enter but it just stays the way it is
[02:03] <stdin> !autostart | matthias
[02:04] <ubotu> matthias: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:04] <stdin> matthias: I guess ubotu only shows the KDE way in here :P
[02:04] <Xera> !gnomeautostart
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnomeautostart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <Xera> >:
[02:04] <stdin> matthias: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[02:05] <TurnTheOtherWay> STDIN. need, a little help
[02:05] <kkosmo> !skim
[02:05] <stdin> tobias_: did you restart the X server after ?
[02:05] <ctd_> Hello stdid , tobian
[02:05] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1216 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[02:05] <matthias> stdin: ok thx
[02:05] <tobias_> hmm i'll do so
[02:05] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: yes?
[02:05] <ctd_> Did not work ,
[02:05] <kkosmo> somone can tell me what i can do with skim
[02:05] <kkosmo> ?
[02:05] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: i installed kubuntu and grub has error 2 so no OS atg all, and no usage for comp
[02:05] <ctd_> in fact it got worse , only resolution it picked up was 1024x768
[02:06] <weedar> Touching the edges of my touchpad causes scrolling, how can I prevent this?
[02:06] <matthias> stdin i joined ubuntu. there ubotu shows the right ;-) thx same link as yours
[02:06] <Xera> weedar: it's supposed to do that xD
[02:06] <stdin> ctd_: if it's an intel chip, you may need the  915resolution package, I do
[02:06] <makuseru> are there drivers for ATI cards older than 8500?
[02:06] <tobias_> ah thank you a lo stdin :)
[02:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: no windows either. i think it may have deleted it though i dont know how that wouldve happened
[02:07] <ctd_> Tobian : Did you manage to update the resol. to 1440x900 ?
[02:07] <ctd_> Tobias !  Sorry
[02:07] <Xera> can someone help me setup my ati 9250? i get 1fps in opengl >:(
[02:07] <weedar> Xera: it is insanely annoying, causes the pointer to move when it shouldn't
[02:07] <tobias_> yes
[02:07] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: windows is probably still there, try reinstalling grub, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:07] <ctd_> Do you have i915 driver or did you choose i810 ?
[02:08] <matthias> stdin: is there a way to get all ubotu cmds?
[02:08] <thomas_> servus
[02:08] <stdin> matthias: just search the website http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:08] <mildner> hello anybody here for help on dbv?
[02:08] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: terminal command is alt f2?
[02:08] <matthias> stdin: thx
[02:09] <tobias_> ctd are you talking to me ?
[02:09] <makuseru> are there drivers for ATI Radeon cards older than 8500?
[02:09] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: no, that's the run dialogue, Konsole (terminal) is in Kmenu -> System -> Konsile
[02:09] <ctd_> Tobias : yes ! sorry
[02:09] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: *Konsole
[02:09] <tobias_> cdt : i got a nvidia card ... i got no i810 driver afak
[02:10] <ctd_> Ok , thanks , let me try and hopefully some day I will be able to run this @ 1440x900
[02:10] <ctd_> Thanks for all your help stdin , tobia and Xera
[02:10] <ctd_> bye
[02:10] <Xera> bye
[02:10] <tobias_> bye
[02:11] <mildner> any help available on dbv?
[02:11] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: i have no file "stage1"
[02:11] <TurnTheOtherWay> error 15: file not found kinda thing
[02:12] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: can you reinstall again? and make sure to install grub on the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the disk
[02:13] <TurnTheOtherWay> how do you install it to mbr?
[02:13] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: It will be an option on the installer
[02:13] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: k ill try that
[02:15] <matthias> hi i need a package which is installed but i dont know were, i thought there is a toole like which but i didn't find it
[02:15] <Raffy> hi
[02:15] <matthias> i'm searching the path of: gnome-vfs-2.0
[02:15] <Raffy> kubuntu after the install give me the error 17
[02:16] <Raffy> cannot load aprtition
[02:16] <Raffy> partition*
[02:16] <stdin> matthias: if you know the package name, you can list all the files in it with "dpkg --listfiles PackageName"
[02:16] <Raffy> also the SATA HD (where i've installed linux) go every for first HD
[02:17] <Raffy> but the master HD is the IDE and in the boot men is the IDE first Hard Disk
[02:17] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: says GRUB will be installed to (hd0)
[02:17] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: yeah, that's right then
[02:18] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: i did that the same wy last time, got error 2 on boot
[02:18] <TurnTheOtherWay> no load
[02:18] <balint> stdin: can i change the names of partitons in linux, from hda1... to the letters in win?
[02:19] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: try installing grub to the partition then
[02:19] <stdin> balint: you mean mount them as win?
[02:19] <Xera> wtf, i can't get any programs to start, konqueror, amarok, kopete
[02:19] <Xera> i just get the bouncing icon on the cursor and that's it
[02:19] <balint> stdin: yes because the playlist files store them like D, C E...
[02:20] <Raffy> are u sure that linux work on SATA HD? :'(
[02:20] <Xera> Raffy: works fine here
[02:20] <Raffy> on my maxtor 250GB
[02:20] <Raffy> don't work
[02:21] <stdin> balint: if you edit the entry in /etc/fstab and change the mount point to /media/win (for example) then make the directory in /media, that will do it
[02:21] <Raffy> also don't work the maxtor...
[02:21] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: i would if i could see my cursor lol. ithink it was you suggested that i use a command... "komshell mouse" or something but the cmd isnt recognised
[02:21] <Zaggynl> This is odd, NeroLinux can burn at 16x, but k3b cannot :/
[02:21] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: kcmshell mouse
[02:22] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: once in config screen then what?
[02:23] <wolfwalker> WOW, I forgot how bad these options were in this script!
[02:23] <balint> stdin: so in fstab just rename them?
[02:24] <wolfwalker> Okay, I have a computer running Kubuntu, and I have a .deb file that is supposed to install Audacity music editor.......... so what do I do with the .deb file?
[02:24] <Gentix> how do i get the 3D stuff on my unichrome chip working???
[02:24] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: use the tab key to change to the "Cursor Theme" tab, and try changing the theme
[02:24] <stdin> balint: yeah
[02:24] <matthias> how do i set an enviroment var?
[02:24] <matthias> set $var=value?
[02:24] <stdin> wolfwalker: why don't you install the version in Adept ?
[02:25] <wolfwalker> Adept?
[02:25] <stdin> matthias: no, just do "var=value"
[02:25] <wolfwalker> I'm a linux newb, what are you talking about?
[02:25] <Zaggynl> wolfwalker, open it
[02:25] <stdin> !adept | wolfwalker
[02:25] <ubotu> wolfwalker: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:25] <wolfwalker> Oh goody
[02:25] <wolfwalker> Thanks, I'll try that
[02:25] <TurnTheOtherWay> youre a lucky newb mine doesnt work :p
[02:25] <wolfwalker> Save y'all a lot of typing if it's already in a wiki
[02:26] <balint> stdin:
[02:26] <balint> # /dev/hda5
[02:26] <balint> UUID=14C09736C0971D54 /media/hda5
[02:26] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: i try to change theme it closes window and does nthing.
[02:27] <balint> stdin: and where change? after # /dev/hda5? or     /media/hda5?
[02:27] <stdin> balint: you change part with /media/hda5 to /media/win (for example). then make that directory with "sudo mkdir /media/win"
[02:28] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: try restarting it, the install CD that is
[02:28] <balint> stdin: and what if i just rename /media/hda5 to /media/D      ?
[02:28] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: just restart kubuntu? as in go to the "turn off" screen and select restart?
[02:29] <stdin> balint: then just so what I said, but replace /media/win with /media/D
[02:29] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: yeah
[02:29] <balint> stdin: so just a simple rename right? :)
[02:30] <stdin> balint: yep :)
[02:30] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: doesnt the livecd thing not save changes?
[02:30] <Xera> http://www.clipmarks.com/clipmark/28280FB2-D4CE-4204-8F7D-45D3988622CD/ has anybody tried that?
[02:30] <balint> stdin: this wont affect the partiton right?
[02:30] <balint> stdin: so no problems in win
[02:30] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: you can restart the install after you reboot, but you should have courser then
[02:31] <stdin> balint: it won't touch the partition, just where it's mounted to in linux
[02:31] <balint> stdin: okay
[02:31] <TurnTheOtherWay> v nice. cept the bloody kubuntu cd wont reboot the comp by itself so i have to use power button ><
[02:32] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: sorry but I need to go for a while, need to run some errands, i'll be back later
[02:32] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: right lol
[02:32] <TurnTheOtherWay> bye
[02:32] <stdin> cya :)
[02:33] <TurnTheOtherWay> anyone else here know a lot about kubuntu?
[02:34] <TurnTheOtherWay> :O
[02:34] <TurnTheOtherWay> howd you do that wolf?
[02:34] <wolfwalker> Type /me jumps up and down
[02:35] <bubu1uk> :p
[02:35] <wolfwalker> So I opened Adept, but couldn't figure how to get it to even look at the .deb file. Then I right click on the .deb file and tell it to open with Adept.......... and it just sits there
[02:35] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[02:35] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdins gone so you may recieve less help
[02:36] <wolfwalker> Adept seems mostly concerned with going online, but it's not on the net
[02:36] <TurnTheOtherWay> DAMNIT
[02:36] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u tryin just to install .deb package?
[02:36] <TurnTheOtherWay> my cursor is invisible again :(
[02:36] <wolfwalker> Yesh
[02:36] <wolfwalker> Specifically, Audacity music editor
[02:36] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[02:37] <wolfwalker> Eh?
[02:37] <wolfwalker> Whassat?
[02:37] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: or try sudo apt-get install audacity
[02:37] <wolfwalker> Where do I type this?
[02:37] <bubu1uk> dpkg is part of synaptic package manager.
[02:37] <wolfwalker> Ah
[02:37] <bubu1uk> konsole
[02:37] <wolfwalker> Yes TurnTheOtherWay, I already said that
[02:37] <wolfwalker> I am a nooblet
[02:38] <wolfwalker> I am the newest of the newbs
[02:38] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: dont' let it put u down. ;)
[02:38] <wolfwalker> Got it out of your system yet, or should we continue?
[02:38] <TurnTheOtherWay> but one witha working kubuntu :(
[02:38] <wolfwalker> So reinstall
[02:38] <wolfwalker> I bittorrented the latest, Efty Erst
[02:38] <TurnTheOtherWay> im trying but i have an invisible cursor which makes it hard
[02:38] <wolfwalker> You don't have the iso cd still?
[02:39] <TurnTheOtherWay> im using the iso
[02:39] <TurnTheOtherWay> well not on this
[02:39] <wolfwalker> Invisible curser, that's probably just a minor glitch. Reboot and see if it fixes it
[02:39] <wolfwalker> Anyway, I type that sudo stuff where?
[02:39] <balint> stdin: not working
[02:39] <TurnTheOtherWay> ive rebooted many times and got advice from stdin but it doesnt work :/
[02:40] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: konsole, command line.
[02:40] <bubu1uk> open konsole
[02:40] <balint> stdin: renamed hda5 to D but...  in linux its still hda5 and shows like nothing would be on the partition
[02:40] <TurnTheOtherWay> i have cunning plan: ill click blindly until i hit the grub link
[02:41] <TurnTheOtherWay> got it :)
[02:41] <balint> oh stdin is not here:(
[02:41] <TurnTheOtherWay> nope
[02:41] <bubu1uk> balint: what u tryin to do?
[02:41] <TurnTheOtherWay> anyone at all: if you dont install to (hd0) then where to?
[02:41] <balint> i want to rename the hda5 to D, like in win, cause my playlist files are absolute pathed, and dont work
[02:42] <bubu1uk> balint: u mean /media/hda5 to /media/D?
[02:42] <balint> yepp
[02:42] <bubu1uk> balint: u can rename that directory, then u'll have to setup /etc/fstab to point to /media/D instead /media/hda5
[02:43] <balint> yes i modified the fstab already
[02:43] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: can u tell me what's ur problem? came here later.
[02:43] <wolfwalker> No luck
[02:43] <bubu1uk> balint: did u remount?
[02:43] <balint> how can i do that? :)
[02:43] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: r u connected to internet?
[02:44] <wolfwalker> No. That's why I'm using a .deb file to install it
[02:44] <bubu1uk> balint: sudo umount /media/hda5
[02:44] <bubu1uk> balint: then sudo mount /media/D
[02:44] <balint> thx i try it out
[02:44] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: dpkg didnt help?
[02:44] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: grub fails on boot with error 2. so no startup, im trying to find out where to put it
[02:44] <wolfwalker> dpkg?
[02:45] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[02:45] <wolfwalker> Okay, I have Kubuntu running, I downloaded a .deb file of Audacity music editor, and I don't know what to do next.
[02:45] <wolfwalker> Oh, and I'm a total newb
[02:45] <balint> mount point /media/D does not exist
[02:45] <wolfwalker> So what do I do with the .deb file?
[02:45] <bubu1uk> balint: u have D directory created in /media?
[02:45] <wolfwalker> Do I hit a / before the sudo, or just type that straight?
[02:46] <balint> ups :) no :)
[02:46] <wolfwalker> And is package name the file name?
[02:46] <balint> that can only be done from konsole?
[02:47] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: type exactly this >> sudo dpkg -i /home/user/debianpackage.deb (or whereever u have package)
[02:47] <bubu1uk> balint: what?
[02:47] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: u should have grub in MBR so hd0
[02:47] <balint> i made the directory now, and mounted but nothing :(
[02:47] <balint> must reboot?
[02:48] <bubu1uk> balint: no
[02:48] <bubu1uk> balint: so u have /media/D now
[02:48] <balint> yes
[02:48] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: when i install it to hd0 it fails with error 2 when the comp boots.
[02:48] <bubu1uk> balint: check if there's line bout hda5 in fstab
[02:49] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: have u googled for grub error 2 what it it?
[02:49] <balint> no, nothing about hda5
[02:50] <TurnTheOtherWay> oh hell.
[02:50] <bubu1uk> http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html
[02:50] <bubu1uk> balint: sec.
[02:50] <TurnTheOtherWay> that is bad. error 2 appears to be "selected disk doesnt exist"
[02:50] <balint> bubulk: oh i got it!!!!
[02:51] <Xera> if i f*ck up X one more time i shall cry
[02:51] <Xera> >:
[02:51] <balint> bubu1uk: just had to unmount again
[02:51] <balint> bubu1uk: funny because it said its not mounted... then why unmount again? :S
[02:51] <LameBMX> !pastebin
[02:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:51] <balint> anyway now its fine
[02:51] <bubu1uk> balint: so works?
[02:52] <balint> yepp
[02:52] <bubu1uk> k then.
[02:52] <bubu1uk> ;)
[02:52] <balint> how can i remove the hda5 from media?
[02:52] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: yup, where is grub pointing to be /boot partition?
[02:52] <wolfwalker> The annoying newb has returned
[02:52] <bubu1uk> balint: sudo rm /media/hda5
[02:52] <wolfwalker> No luck
[02:53] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: what does that mean?
[02:53] <wolfwalker> I typed in just what you said in the command line
[02:53] <matthew_> !mount
[02:53] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:53] <matthew_> !iso
[02:53] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[02:53] <wolfwalker> Aparently sudo is pseudo and adept is only adept at ignoring me
[02:53] <bubu1uk> balint: u might do rmdir.
[02:54] <balint> oh man:( im so sad
[02:54] <balint> this didnt resolve my problem
[02:54] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: where in system u have that .deb package?
[02:54] <balint> cause the path is still media/D/...
[02:54] <wolfwalker> On the desktop
[02:54] <balint> i guess i cant mount D like the root folder right?
[02:54] <wolfwalker> I copied it from a flash drive and it's sitting on the desktop and I can't figure out what to do with it
[02:54] <bubu1uk> balint: dont understand
[02:55] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: in command line "pwd" command
[02:55] <bubu1uk> what it gives u
[02:55] <balint> bubu1uk: so in the playlist the path is like this: D:\folder\folder...music.mp3
[02:55] <bubu1uk> balint: u might need to change ownership
[02:55] <balint> ?
[02:55] <bubu1uk> balint: ah, now i get u.
[02:56] <balint> whats that?
[02:56] <bubu1uk> balint: nope u cant do anything. u'll have to change playlist file
[02:56] <bubu1uk> balint: :)
[02:56] <balint> wahahhhhhhhhhhh
[02:56] <bubu1uk> balint: linux doesnt deal with dir tree like win
[02:56] <balint> than maybe i make the changes back to hda5 :)
[02:56] <wolfwalker> It gives me nothing. The run command line dissapeared and nothing else happened
[02:58] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: what u have in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:58] <wolfwalker> Just for the record: All these commands are supposed to be entered by going to the main menu, Actions, Run Command, and enter the command there?
[02:58] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: nope
[02:58] <wolfwalker> ......
[02:58] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: go to menu>system>terminal (or konsole, whatever it gives u)
[02:59] <hak5fan> Hi again everybody... I've tested my memory using memtest86+ and no errors were found, I still get these strange reboots when trying to start kubuntu... I also get an error message saying something about can't read CTR while initializing i840
[03:00] <bubu1uk> balint: doenst really matter what u call it. its just for u to recognize. u can call it either /media/windows
[03:00] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: found that konsole?
[03:00] <dave> Hi, I'm an "intermediate" user (ie not quite newbie), and I would like to know if it is possible to change the properties of the system folders so that they are no longer hidden.
[03:01] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: menu.1st?
[03:01] <wolfwalker> Okie dokie!
[03:01] <wolfwalker> I finally found the command prompt!
[03:01] <TurnTheOtherWay> or lst?
[03:01] <TurnTheOtherWay> l1
[03:01] <bubu1uk> i think it's menu.lst not 1st
[03:01] <wolfwalker> So now, I have an audacity package on my desktop, a .deb file
[03:01] <TurnTheOtherWay> ah they look the same l and 1
[03:01] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: lol
[03:01] <wolfwalker> So now that I actually know where the command prompt is, and I have the file, what do I do?
[03:02] <TurnTheOtherWay> erm
[03:02] <hak5fan> Hi again everybody... I've tested my memory using memtest86+ and no errors were found, I still get these strange reboots when trying to start kubuntu... I also get an error message saying something about can't read CTR while initializing i840 what could cause these errors
[03:02] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: command cd /home/username/Desktop
[03:02] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: and then command ls
[03:02] <Xera> W000T 4975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 994.937 FPS
[03:02] <Xera> finally opengl is working
[03:02] <Xera> :D
[03:02] <bubu1uk> does it give u in output name of that package?
[03:03] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! i tried to open it with kate
[03:03] <wolfwalker> I have the name of that package, if that's what you mean. It's a deb file on my desktop.
[03:03] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: try nano
[03:03] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: go to that directory i told u. /home/user/Desktop
[03:03] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: its empty
[03:03] <TurnTheOtherWay> the file
[03:04] <balint> well bubu1uk i hate absolute paths from now on :)
[03:04] <wolfwalker> With "user" being my user name?
[03:04] <bubu1uk> balint: lol
[03:04] <dave> Hi, I'm an "intermediate" user (ie not quite newbie), and I would like to know if it is possible to change the properties of the system folders so that they are no longer hidden. Thanks, Dave
[03:04] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: yes, of course
[03:04] <wolfwalker> Toldja I was a newb
[03:04] <wolfwalker> Gotta go shower and get ready for church
[03:04] <wolfwalker> Thanks
[03:04] <wolfwalker> I shall return: You have Been Warned!
[03:04] <bubu1uk> dave: u might need to make them world visible
[03:05] <andreasw_weg> dave: yes delte /.hidden
[03:05] <balint> bubu1uk you would say the same if you would have about 60GB music, and the playlist wont work :)
[03:05] <andreasw_weg> dave: delete I mean ^
[03:05] <TurnTheOtherWay> balint: lmao nice
[03:05] <bubu1uk> balint: what u using to play music?
[03:05] <balint> bubu1uk on linux i use amarok
[03:05] <balint> xms sucks
[03:05] <balint> xmms
[03:05] <Xera> __FGLTexMgrCreateObject: __FGLTexMgrSHMmalloc failed!!!
[03:05] <Xera> fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrCreateObject failed!!
[03:05] <Xera> :?
[03:05] <joshy> anyone here has experiences with xen
[03:06] <bubu1uk> balint: u can setup amaroks configuration to automaticly search for ur music folders.
[03:06] <hak5fan> Does anyone know why my machine reboots when I try to boot into kubuntu.. It doesn't always happen, but sometimes.... I've tested my memory with mtest86+ no errors but I'm getting this error. Can't read CTR while initializing i840
[03:06] <balint> bubu1uk did you see xmms's file browsing design? :D
[03:06] <balint> bubu1uk lik win 3.11 :)
[03:06] <bubu1uk> balint: yes,
[03:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[03:06] <balint> terrible :)
[03:07] <TurnTheOtherWay> who desnt like 3.11?
[03:07] <Xera> XD?
[03:07] <dave> andreas, I'm looking at /usr (in konqueror), and there is no sign of a ./hidden file
[03:07] <andreasw_weg> dave: it is in /
[03:07] <hak5fan> I can't think of any way to fix my problem
[03:07] <bubu1uk> balint: in amarok go to settings, configure amarok
[03:08] <bubu1uk> dave: if u type /usr in address bar in konqueror, will it get u there?
[03:08] <dave> found it andreas, cheers
[03:08] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk menu.lst is empty what now lol?
[03:08] <balint> bubu1uk ok, im on it :) but got a weard problem :D a hda5 folder appeaerd on my desktop :) and cant delete it, and in konqueror the folder is not shown :)
[03:08] <andreasw> dave: In the future release of kubuntu the system directories will no longer be hidden by default
[03:08] <andreasw> dave: I don't know who had the ideo with the .hidden file
[03:09] <nesttle> buenas
[03:09] <nesttle> hi all
[03:09] <dave> well it's probably okay for some less well used folders
[03:09] <hak5fan> nesttle: hi
[03:09] <nesttle> anyone can help me?
[03:09] <nesttle> i'm spanish
[03:09] <TurnTheOtherWay> anyone know the ubot link?
[03:09] <nesttle> and I installed kubuntu 6.10 edgy
[03:09] <revolution27> Anyone? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337975
[03:09] <andreasw> dave: It is just cunfusing people who had worked with other Linux distrubitions before and are looking for the system folders in konqueror
[03:10] <hak5fan> nesttle: I speak some spanish but I'm not very good at it
[03:10] <nesttle> no problem :P
[03:10] <nesttle> i have a problem with Beryl (and emerald)
[03:10] <TurnTheOtherWay> nesttle: #kubuntu-es
[03:10] <hak5fan> nesttle: and I don't know much about Linux
[03:10] <Ash-Fox> Argh, this is annoying. I make a preinst script for my .deb package, a template file.. and for some reason, the template isn't imported into debconf for unknown reasons so I get lovely stupid errors
[03:10] <nesttle> and I think that my XGL don't run properly
[03:10] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: u might need to reinstall grub or manually edit that menu.lst
[03:10] <sinbad33> how does  one defrag in Kubuntu  ??
[03:11] <nesttle> thanks for the channel :P
[03:11] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: what can be pain in *** if u dont know much bout it.
[03:11] <TurnTheOtherWay> nesttle: np
[03:11] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, reiserfs defrags it self, you don't need to defrag it.
[03:11] <dave> andreas: I tried opening konqueror in su mode, but I still dont seem to have permission to delet the file, do I need to do it from terminal
[03:12] <andreasw> dave: I did it from the terminal. Never tried to delete it with Konqueror
[03:12] <bubu1uk> balint: in console check in /home/user/Desktop if u got that link there. then just remove it.
[03:12] <Ash-Fox> dave, close all konqueror windows, alt + f2 'kdesu konqueror'
[03:12] <sinbad33> Ash, oh wow ... s w e e t
[03:12] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: ill reinstall kubuntu and try to use SGD but ty for help
[03:12] <balint> ok
[03:12] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: np
[03:13] <hak5fan> @anyone if anyone could come up with a solution to this problem I would be very greatful: why does my machine sometimes restart when trying to boot kubuntu
[03:13] <hak5fan> ?
[03:13] <sinbad33> Ash, why doesnt MS use the same defrag technique as reiserfs ? any idea ?
[03:13] <bubu1uk> balint: did u manage to setup those folders for collection in amarok?
[03:13] <TurnTheOtherWay> huzzah now im using all my usb ports!
[03:13] <bubu1uk> sinbad33: cuz it's MS?
[03:13] <balint> ? what? :)
[03:13] <bubu1uk> sinbad33: lol
[03:14] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, because Microsoft uses diskkeeper internally.
[03:14] <bubu1uk> balint: u wanted to create playlist in amarok.
[03:14] <balint> bubu1uk yes im browsing amarok settings right now
[03:14] <joshy> _XEN_??
[03:14] <bubu1uk> balint: go to collection
[03:15] <dave> hmm, I opened terrminal  changed to su, and still do not have permission to delete the .hidden file (all konqueror windows are closed
[03:15] <bubu1uk> balint: option on left with 3 cd icon
[03:15] <balint> goti t:)
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> dave, well, that wasn't my instructions.
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> dave, so good luck with that.
[03:15] <sinbad33> is there some kind of advantage to using internal diskkeeper i wonder ?
[03:16] <balint> and just select th folders i want to scan right?
[03:16] <bubu1uk> balint: amarok will rescan ur collection of files, then u can create playlist easily of random 50 or just choose artist u want to play
[03:16] <andreasw> dave: sudo rm /.hidden
[03:16] <bubu1uk> balint: right
[03:16] <balint> just like good ol' winamp mlibrary :)
[03:16] <andreasw> dave: that has to work even if you have open konqueror windows
[03:16] <bubu1uk> balint: kinda. ;)
[03:16] <sinbad33> i cant believe how much im learning now that im using kubuntu
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, linux filesystems tend to be faster under benchmarks than NTFS.. Diskkeeper operates as a service application while poking at native apis under windows... Under Linux, any defragmentation is usually implemented in the driver itself...
[03:17] <milaks> Can someone please tell me honestly :) Which one do you think is faster: Gnome or KDE?
[03:17] <Ash-Fox> I think KDE is faster.
[03:17] <dave> thanks andreas that worked, what's the difference between changing to su and entering the command, ansd doing sudo?
[03:17] <bubu1uk> milaks: xfce4 :p
[03:17] <TurnTheOtherWay> gnomes sposed tbe faster isnt it?
[03:17] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol yep xfce!
[03:17] <andreasw> dave: su won't work under (k)ubuntu
[03:17] <bubu1uk> Ash-Fox: i thought gnome
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> Ever tried running things konqueror under xfce? blah..
[03:18] <andreasw> dave: because the root user has no usefull password under ubuntu
[03:18] <balint> bubu1uk i like that random 50, sounds fine :)
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> *things like
[03:18] <dave> okay andreas, why is that?
[03:18] <bubu1uk> Ash-Fox: u tryin to run kde app under diff desktop, of course then.
[03:18] <dave> cheers andreas
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> TurnTheOtherWay, pentium 4, 1.8ghz, 1gb ram, it's about six or five years old now
[03:18] <andreasw> dave: just use sudo instead of su and if you need a root console than use sudo -s
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> bubu1uk, firefox is also slower for me under xfce4 :P
[03:19] <balint> bubu1uk and when its going to start the scan?
[03:19] <sinbad33> Ash, older versions of firefox are WAY faster then newer versions, would u happen to know the oldest firefox version one can use with kubuntu or linux ?
[03:19] <andreasw> I don't know any program for ext3 which shows me the exact framgantation level
[03:19] <bubu1uk> balint: menu tools>>rescan collection
[03:19] <TurnTheOtherWay> ahha
[03:19] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, you could pretty much run any of the binary packages off mozilla.org.. so all of them?
[03:19] <TurnTheOtherWay> is the ubuntu install the same as the kubuntu?
[03:19] <balint> bubu1uk and whats that context?
[03:19] <Xera|> TurnTheOtherWay: pretty much yes
[03:20] <dave> Thanks andreas, I tend to use sudo anyway, but this one time I didn't ;-)
[03:20] <TurnTheOtherWay> damn. i was thinking converting to gnome might help me, but i guess not.
[03:20] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, although to be honest, I find 2.0 faster than 1.5
[03:20] <sinbad33> Ash, oh really! does mozilla.org bother to mention that fact on their site?
[03:20] <andreasw> so how do all know that it doesn't framents
[03:20] <bubu1uk> balint: what context?
[03:20] <balint> bubu1uk in amarok
[03:20] <sinbad33> Ash, well im talking about version 0.91 etc
[03:20] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33. you can find the binary packages on ftp.mozilla.org
[03:20] <balint> left panel, above collection
[03:21] <hak5fan> Hi again everybody... I've tested my memory using memtest86+ and no errors were found, I still get these strange reboots when trying to start kubuntu... I also get an error message saying something about can't read CTR while initializing i840 .... It must be someone who can answer this question...
[03:21] <sinbad33> Ash, sweeet  thx
[03:21] <Ash-Fox> You will need to extract them somewhere, and run it from there. Since you aren't going to get .deb packages from there.
[03:21] <bubu1uk> balint: ah right. it just tells u info bout music. how many times it played, popularity etc. u can also find lyrics there.
[03:21] <bubu1uk> balint: play some music and u'll see
[03:21] <balint> bubu1uk i like amarok :D
[03:21] <balint> bubu1uk for how long are u using linux?
[03:22] <bubu1uk> bout year, or 2
[03:22] <bubu1uk> but not allways.
[03:22] <balint> and before on win u used winamp?
[03:22] <Xera|> they should make linamp
[03:22] <Xera|> >:
[03:22] <balint> :D
[03:22] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[03:22] <Ash-Fox> Xera, install xmms
[03:22] <bubu1uk> winapm, wmp, anything. i like to try new things.
[03:22] <Ash-Fox> Xera, xmms is a winamp clone
[03:23] <Xera|> Ash-Fox: i know, but it sucks ass
[03:23] <balint> i think amarok is good enough, amarok is liamp
[03:23] <sinbad33> Ash, have u ever used Epiphany browser with kubuntu ?
[03:23] <Ash-Fox> Xera, if you want something like iTunes, but more features and better, try amarok
[03:23] <Xera|> i mean, the people who made winamp should make linamp
[03:23] <bubu1uk> btw, i like to use audacious as well.
[03:23] <balint> Xera! youre right!! xmms is a big sh*t
[03:23] <Xera|> Ash-Fox: i use amarok XD
[03:23] <Xera|> amaroK pwns
[03:23] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, nope
[03:23] <TurnTheOtherWay> so many ks....
[03:23] <makuseru> what is one smaller resolution than 1024x768
[03:24] <balint> bubu1uk and why dont u alwys use linux?
[03:24] <Ash-Fox> Amarok annoys me with the lack of mod file support.
[03:24] <balint> usually 800*600 , but there are stupid reoslutions
[03:24] <makuseru> i mean bigger then
[03:24] <makuseru> ya im not lookin for them odd weird resolutions
[03:24] <makuseru> just standard one
[03:24] <makuseru> s
[03:24] <bubu1uk> balint: well. had problems with flash before. bout year ago
[03:24] <sinbad33> Ash, what drive image software do u recommend with kubuntu ?
[03:25] <balint> makuseru: usually 1280*960 on CRT and 1280*1024 on LCD (there are mid resolutions between this, but those are not very useful)
[03:25] <bubu1uk> and needed better browser support for school
[03:25] <TurnTheOtherWay> wtf?
[03:25] <bubu1uk> cuz everything was online
[03:25] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, what?
[03:25] <balint> bubu1uk i mean u use windows too every day?
[03:25] <TurnTheOtherWay> in win here i just randomly had "run a dll as an app has had to close"
[03:25] <bubu1uk> balint: not really now.
[03:25] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, what do you mean by 'drive image software'?
[03:25] <bubu1uk> have linux on all machines now.
[03:25] <bubu1uk> either, laptop is dual in case i need it.
[03:26] <TurnTheOtherWay> installing kubuntu :)
[03:26] <sinbad33> i want to make my own custom kubuntu OS image so i can do OS reinstalls fast
[03:26] <balint> bubu1uk: i like linux but lots of programs are not ported to linux (i understand the companies)
[03:26] <balint> bubu1uk for ex. dreamweaver
[03:26] <TurnTheOtherWay> hardly any games for lin
[03:26] <TurnTheOtherWay> cept trem :)
[03:26] <bubu1uk> balint: well, u have good apps in linux for web dev too. but not dreamweaver
[03:26] <sinbad33> Ash, i just want to clone my OS partition
[03:27] <TurnTheOtherWay> argh my iso wont burn
[03:27] <balint> bubu1uk are there as good ase dw?
[03:27] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: good support for games is with cedega or wine now.
[03:27] <blekos> which prog is best for cd ripping 2 mp3?
[03:27] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, if you have norton ghost.. You can use that. I use my own homemade scripts and a program called 'dd'. But I don't think that would be a easy solution for you.
[03:27] <balint> bubu1uk i just need one wich has got split view and has that pop-up code library
[03:27] <bubu1uk> balint: dependes. not that good gui maybe. if u prefer to code, better linux then.
[03:28] <TurnTheOtherWay> whatre cedega n wine bubu1uk?
[03:28] <Ash-Fox> blekos, something called k3b if you want something graphical
[03:28] <bubu1uk> !wine
[03:28] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:28] <balint> Turn: theyre are win emulators
[03:28] <bubu1uk> !cedega
[03:28] <MementoMori> hi all
[03:28] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[03:28] <sinbad33> homemade scripts? would there be any way i could get a copy of some of those scripts, if u think it will make it easier ?
[03:28] <TurnTheOtherWay> hurrah! ty
[03:28] <Ash-Fox> bubu1uk, uh, I'm sorry. Windows has the better IDEs and and debugging tools currently...
[03:28] <balint> Cedega is for games, i will install it today :D ! wine is fro apps
[03:28] <sinbad33> oops
[03:28] <sinbad33> Ash, homemade scripts? would there be any way i could get a copy of some of those scripts, if u think it will make it easier ?
[03:28] <TurnTheOtherWay> i have hl2 :)
[03:29] <TurnTheOtherWay> but you have to buy cedega :(
[03:29] <Ash-Fox> bubu1uk, on kdevelop, monodevelop and so on, you aren't capable of modifying a program's code in real time while it's running. You can in visual studio on windows.
[03:29] <sinbad33> Ash, i understand that dd is a bit difficult for beginners, yes
[03:29] <blekos> i have k3b, i dint know it can convert audio cds 2 mp3 though
[03:29] <sinbad33> Ash, but i got the dd manual now am reading it thru
[03:29] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, my scripts work on the concept of network booting via dhcp rather than CD images...
[03:30] <balint> the best convert tool for linux i think is switch
[03:30] <sinbad33> Ash, oh u mean remote booting
[03:30] <Ash-Fox> sinbad33, you'd need to setup sftp and xinetd with my system.. It's just complex :P
[03:30] <sinbad33> wow
[03:30] <TurnTheOtherWay> !switch
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about switch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <sinbad33> Ash, yes i think i agree w u :)
[03:31] <Ash-Fox> (Network booting on my network -- you load a small linux kernel and it presents you with a list of OS images to load on your system -- not easy todo the initial setup :P)
[03:31] <balint> OMG amarok has got wikipedia info about th artists :D
[03:31] <sinbad33> gosh i think im getting cerebral 'whiplash' from all the new stuff im learning since using kubuntu
[03:31] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk, if i cant boot linux once reinstalled, what should i do?
[03:32] <Ash-Fox> !whiptail
[03:32] <ubotu> whiptail: Displays user-friendly dialog boxes from shell scripts. In component main, is important. Version 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 92 kB
[03:32] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: dependes why it doesnt want to boot
[03:32] <TurnTheOtherWay> install complete... just gotta wait for load
[03:33] <cschoen> hallo
[03:33] <Ash-Fox> !de
[03:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:35] <balint> I have a stupid question: can i run MSN messenger on linux? with wine?
[03:35] <balint> or can i run winamp?
[03:35] <balint> just want to know
[03:36] <bubu1uk> balint: use amsn for msn messenger
[03:36] <TurnTheOtherWay> clonified :)
[03:36] <balint> bubu1uk: yes yes, but i just want to know if its possible to run it
[03:36] <TurnTheOtherWay> I HATE GRUB.
[03:36] <bubu1uk> dunno, never tried it.
[03:36] <TurnTheOtherWay> i got error 2 again
[03:37] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: u have something in menu.lst now?
[03:37] <TurnTheOtherWay> i dont think it can see the drive...
[03:37] <TurnTheOtherWay> no
[03:37] <TurnTheOtherWay> but how do i get anything in?
[03:38] <weedar> Why is it impossible to turn off tap-to-click on ALPS touchpad?
[03:38] <TurnTheOtherWay> !menu.lst
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu.lst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <revolution27> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337975
[03:39] <bubu1uk> !grub
[03:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:39] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: try those
[03:39] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk ive seen those it doesnt help
[03:40] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: do you know what to type in menu.lst?
[03:40] <TurnTheOtherWay> in nano
[03:40] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: kinda know. didn't play with it much tho.
[03:40] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: wait
[03:42] <TurnTheOtherWay> can i ask someone to paste me the contents of their /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[03:43] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: just doin it
[03:43] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: thx
[03:43] <bubu1uk> !paste
[03:43] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[03:44] <bubu1uk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1555
[03:46] <TurnTheOtherWay> title		Ubuntu, memtest86+
[03:46] <TurnTheOtherWay> root		(hd0,1)
[03:46] <TurnTheOtherWay> kernel		/boot/memtest86+.bin
[03:46] <TurnTheOtherWay> quiet
[03:46] <TurnTheOtherWay> boot
[03:46] <TurnTheOtherWay> can i just replace ubuntu with kubuntu there?
[03:46] <balint> well amarok is good, but it's media library is not as good as the ml of mi little winamp :)
[03:47] <bubu1uk> balint: u just might need to get used to it. it's different but good. i like it.
[03:47] <TurnTheOtherWay> oh hell i might have to type thqt up aswell
[03:47] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: yes, u can. it doesnt really matter what title is. it will show that title in menu when u boot
[03:48] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: also u have linux on primary hdd?
[03:48] <TurnTheOtherWay> i cant do that id have to type it all up... damnit. hdd?
[03:48] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: harddisk.
[03:49] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: what u mean u cant do that?
[03:49] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol i cant copy the menu.lst in im on a laptop kubuntus on the desktop id have to type up the file :/
[03:49] <TurnTheOtherWay> also, i only have one hdd and both lin and win are on it
[03:50] <TurnTheOtherWay> i assume its primary
[03:50] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: then that config should be quiet allright for u.
[03:50] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: also u dont have to retype all. nothing with #, that's only comment
[03:50] <bubu1uk> proper menu.lst has only few lines.
[03:51] <TurnTheOtherWay> isee
[03:52] <bubu1uk> i'll give u grub from my fedora, it has less lines. although u'll have to change some things there then.
[03:52] <TurnTheOtherWay> what about with multiple #s?
[03:52] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: same
[03:52] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: it's just comment
[03:52] <TurnTheOtherWay> k thx ill get typing lol
[03:52] <Jucato> usually, menu.lst's that have very very few lines use something like gfxmenu (notably MEPIS or SUSE.. not sure about Fedora Core)
[03:53] <makuseru> does anyone know how to get bigger resolution with an ATI Radeon 7000?
[03:53] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1558/
[03:54] <TurnTheOtherWay> bubu1uk: it says menu.lst is a new file: should it already be there? and if i type it up and save it should it install with kubuntu?
[03:55] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:55] <TurnTheOtherWay> im in that it says its a new file
[03:56] <bubu1uk> ok, then. might be. did u have one before?
[03:57] <Davidoff> how can i add soemthing to my startup configuration ?
[04:00] <TurnTheOtherWay> no
[04:00] <TurnTheOtherWay> never had one
[04:00] <TurnTheOtherWay> will it install with kubuntu?
[04:01] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: then it has to create one. and yes, it should be there when u install it. dunno what happened
[04:01] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: btw, if u can't boot, how do u get to system?
[04:02] <TurnTheOtherWay> get to system?
[04:02] <bubu1uk> well. u'r using liveCD or what?
[04:02] <TurnTheOtherWay> yeah live
[04:02] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:03] <bubu1uk> ehm. u'll hav eto go to hdd not do it on live cd.
[04:03] <bubu1uk> got to go now. Jucato should be able to help u.
[04:03] <bubu1uk> will be back later. probalby in 3 hours.
[04:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> ahhell
[04:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> gbye then
[04:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> one thing!!!
[04:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> ???
[04:04] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: come back later, i'll be here.
[04:04] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay:what?
[04:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> how to get to hdd?
[04:04] <TurnTheOtherWay> if it wont boot?
[04:04] <balint> with krdc can i connect to win desktops?
[04:04] <balint> or only to other kubuntus?
[04:05] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay:u might need to mount  it.
[04:05] <Davidoff> where is the file that i can add things to my startup configuration ?
[04:05] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: not sure
[04:05] <TurnTheOtherWay> how????
[04:05] <makuseru> does anyone know how to get bigger resolution with an ATI Radeon 7000?
[04:05] <TurnTheOtherWay> !mount
[04:05] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:05] <balint> Davidoff: good question i want to know that too
[04:05] <bubu1uk> TurnTheOtherWay: check in /mnt and /media if u have something that could be hdd
[04:06] <balint> Davidoff you mean like msconfig right?
[04:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> k
[04:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> ill try
[04:06] <bubu1uk> bye now.
[04:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> might end up trying to reinstall win :/
[04:06] <Davidoff> i need to have this line (an export PATH...) run everytime i login
[04:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> gbye
[04:06] <TurnTheOtherWay> and thankyou
[04:09] <jigoro> ubuntu  bello!
[04:09] <TurnTheOtherWay> what country?
[04:09] <Davidoff> i wish i could remember what the file is called balint !
[04:12] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: what went wrong?
[04:12] <TurnTheOtherWay> tried to install kubuntu but im a noob and grub didnt work
[04:12] <TurnTheOtherWay> so no boot
[04:13] <makuseru> !sound
[04:13] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:13] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: hmm do you have two hds?
[04:13] <TurnTheOtherWay> nope just 1 and its raid aswell
[04:13] <TurnTheOtherWay> stripe
[04:13] <andreasw> ok with raids I am out, never had one so no experience at all
[04:13] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[04:14] <swami> someone tell me why i have to press a key for a second before it cames out?
[04:14] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: did you already try to boot from a live cd and than reinstall grub?
[04:14] <andreasw> swami: every key or only some?
[04:14] <andreasw> ^^
[04:14] <swami>  every
[04:14] <andreasw> I had to type it 4 times
[04:14] <andreasw> ah k
[04:15] <andreasw> hmm strange
[04:15] <andreasw> do you have heavy load at the moment?
[04:15] <swami> nop
[04:15] <TurnTheOtherWay> i can boot from live but not from hdd and its just grub that wont work everything else is fine... but i have no way to get SGD to the comp
[04:16] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: Like I said but with a liveCD than chroot to your ubuntu system and run grup-install again
[04:16] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: or maybe check the config file beforce whether everything is fine in there
[04:17] <TurnTheOtherWay> how do i chroot?
[04:17] <TurnTheOtherWay> what do i change to?
[04:18] <Davidoff> can anyone tell me how to run a command automatically when i login ???
[04:18] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: Mount your root filesystem to any mount point
[04:19] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: than mount the proc filesystem
[04:19] <andreasw> mount -t proc proc /mnt/gentoo/proc
[04:19] <makuseru> can someone help me get sound in edgy?
[04:19] <andreasw> I took it from the gentoo manual ^^
[04:19] <andreasw> replace gentoo with your mountpoint than
[04:19] <danny> hello can anyone help me how to transfer my home directory from an old hard drive to a new kubuntu installation in a new hard drive?
[04:19] <andreasw> chroot /yourmntpnt /bin/bash
[04:20] <andreasw> than you are in the installed ubuntu system
[04:20] <andreasw> and can run grub-install for example
[04:20] <TurnTheOtherWay> sry im too much of a noob to take any of this in anymore.... im trying to work windows
[04:20] <makuseru> can someone help me get sound in edgy?
[04:21] <danny> AMAROK ROCKS!
[04:21] <andreasw> TurnTheOtherWay: well thats the problem with linux some things don't work very well ^^
[04:22] <danny> hello andreasw can you help me?
[04:22] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol yes
[04:23] <TurnTheOtherWay> formatting my drive now
[04:23] <larson9999> where is the 'add-user' gui in edgy?
[04:23] <andreasw> andreasw: well the best thing is to copy stuff with tar
[04:23] <andreasw> arg
[04:23] <TurnTheOtherWay> lol
[04:23] <makuseru> system settings user administration
[04:23] <andreasw> @dave ^^
[04:23] <zchydem> Davidoff: add the command that you want to run to your ~/.bashrc file
[04:23] <andreasw> danny: sorry I mean you hehe
[04:24] <TurnTheOtherWay> i think ill wait a while before trying linux again
[04:24] <danny> ehehe
[04:24] <TurnTheOtherWay> :/
[04:24] <danny> andreasw: hello can anyone help me how to transfer my home directory from an old hard drive to a new kubuntu installation in a new hard drive?
[04:24] <andreasw> danny: login as root than rename your home to home.old or something
[04:24] <andreasw> danny: than create a new home directiory and go in there
[04:24] <danny> ok just a sec
[04:25] <TurnTheOtherWay> i hope formatting the drive will remove grub cos if not im doomed
[04:25] <andreasw> danny: well you can't do that while you are logged in here
[04:25] <danny> oh
[04:25] <TurnTheOtherWay> is there an option not to use grub?
[04:25] <danny> :)
[04:25] <andreasw> danny: you have to do it in console with noone else logged in
[04:25] <larson9999> makuseru, yeah, that's not there.  seems i remember there being a problem with that but forgot what it was
[04:25] <danny> andreasw: ok fire away
[04:25] <zchydem> does anyone know how much ipv6 slows down internet connection?
[04:26] <Davidoff> thanks zchydem
[04:26] <Davidoff> will test :D
[04:26] <makuseru> can someone help me get sound in edgy?
[04:27] <fdoving> !sound | makuseru
[04:27] <ubotu> makuseru: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:27] <andreasw> danny: Well i have here a nice tutorial but it's in german ^^
[04:27] <andreasw> danny: tar -cSp --numeric-owner --atime-preserve -f - . | ( cd /home && tar -xSpv --atime-preserve -f - )
[04:27] <andreasw> change to the old home (your saved one)
[04:27] <danny> ok
[04:27] <andreasw> and than that command should copy everything to the home directory
[04:28] <danny> ok is there anything else that i need to do after that?
[04:29] <andreasw> no after that everything should be fine than
[04:29] <andreasw> but it would be easier to move your home
[04:29] <andreasw> is the old one on the same hd?
[04:30] <danny> nope
[04:30] <andreasw> but it's from a ubuntu linux?
[04:30] <andreasw> or from some other linux distribution
[04:30] <andreasw> ?
[04:30] <danny> my old home is on an old hdd with kubuntu 6.06
[04:30] <andreasw> ah k
[04:30] <earl_> hey guys. i have a 60GB hard drive, and i just noticed that I placed the swap partition at the very end of this hard drive. how bad did i fail?
[04:31] <danny> i just installed a new hdd with kubuntu 6.06
[04:31] <andreasw> ah k
[04:31] <danny> andreasw: but then when i tried to copy the home directory all sorts of errors appeared when trying to run some programs
[04:31] <andreasw> danny: ok than the command is the right thing
[04:31] <danny> ok i will try now
[04:32] <mineur> I'm not sure, but I think the location of your swap partition doesn't matter.... maybe you'll have less performance.... but I don't think that your performance is determined by your swap nowadays... I don't even have a swap partition
[04:32] <danny> thanks andreasw
[04:32] <danny> brb
[04:32] <earl_> well i only have 768 mb of ram
[04:32] <earl_> and i have lots of jittery performance
[04:32] <mineur> I have 512 ram :)
[04:33] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound in edgy?
[04:33] <earl_> like the type of thing i used to get in WoW a lot when i ran 256mb >,<
[04:33] <earl_> well, mineur, im also running Beryl and Amarok, not sure if you are too =)
[04:33] <mineur> yep I am :)
[04:33] <earl_> bah
[04:33] <mineur> amarok and beryl.... the reasons why I use linux lol
[04:33] <earl_> ditto ^_^
[04:33] <j0b> hello
[04:34] <earl_> but im pretty convinced my mistake has caused adverse performance
[04:34] <j0b> i have a question for everydody
[04:34] <earl_> things freeze up for a split second when i open up a menu, or scroll up/down a webpage
[04:34] <mineur> well qtparted might be a solution? not sure if it'll manage to move the whole wwap tho
[04:34] <j0b> do you know how to launch beryl-manager at the start
[04:34] <j0b> ??
[04:34] <earl_> i mean i also am only running a 1.6ghz processor, but i didnt think that would be a problem
[04:35] <mineur> nah I'm on a laptop 1,5 GHz, intel graphical card... crappy, but it runs smoothly
[04:35] <Zamber> http://stuff.zamber.net/beryl.html - mine beryl screenshots ;)
[04:35] <mineur> j0b: just start beryl-manager
[04:35] <earl_> yeah i didnt think the cpu was a problem
[04:36] <earl_> when i run beryl-benchmark it gives me great framerates
[04:36] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound in edgy?
[04:36] <earl_> even through the choppy things i'm reporting
[04:36] <earl_> qtparted doesn't seem to be a program on my computer, should i apt-get install it?
[04:36] <makuseru> earl_: what graphics card do you have
[04:36] <earl_> radeon 9600
[04:36] <earl_> pro
[04:36] <makuseru> how many fps
[04:37] <mineur> earl_: yep.. install it :)
[04:37] <earl_> let me fire up the benchmark
[04:37] <earl_> okay as i sit here talking to you guys it reports 140 fps
[04:37] <Zamber> earl_ I have 9200 and it works smooth too ;)
[04:37] <makuseru> danm
[04:37] <j0b> mineur > i know that but i want to launch this automatically
[04:38] <makuseru> mineur: how about you? how many fps
[04:38] <earl_> i drag the window around in wobbliness and it goes down to about 60, but still very good
[04:38] <Zamber> about 60-80
[04:38] <makuseru> i have a 7000 and it works really well
[04:38] <earl_> cube mode gets me about 80fps
[04:38] <Zamber> 40 in critical moments
[04:38] <mineur> damn I want this schoolyear to be over soon....I have a radeon 9600 in my dekstop, but I'm stuck to windows for my master thesis
[04:38] <Zamber> when using heavyweight stuff
[04:38] <makuseru> mineur: how about you? how many fps
[04:38] <earl_> actually i have a weird problem with beryl where it starts up on booting into kde,
[04:38] <mineur> as I sit here and type ..... 40 fps, intel graphical crap :d
[04:39] <earl_> but i dont get window decorations
[04:39] <earl_> until i type beryl-manager
[04:39] <mineur> j0b: you use aiglx?
[04:39] <Zamber> earl_ its normal
[04:39] <makuseru> mineur: what intel?
[04:39] <j0b> mineur > yep
[04:39] <makuseru> 945?
[04:39] <earl_> bah
[04:39] <earl_> no way to fix that then? aside from waiting for an update
[04:39] <j0b> makeseru > i use beryl with the same graphic card
[04:40] <makuseru> a 7000?
[04:40] <ohyesyoucan11> The other day I was in here someone helped me a lot by telling me how to type passwords on my machine (in Kate)... obviously I want to turn auto back up off and my internet off... but he told me one last thing I could do.  I forget :(
[04:40] <j0b> > an intel 945
[04:40] <mineur> of course earl_ just let it fire up beryl-manager automatically.. it's on the wiki from beryl how to do that
[04:40] <makuseru> i don t use one
[04:40] <makuseru> i was asking minerur what intel he used
[04:40] <earl_> i see
[04:40] <makuseru> uses*
[04:40] <earl_> i'll take a look at that later then
[04:40] <mineur> hang on.. I'm doubting myself now lol
[04:41] <Zamber> re
[04:41] <earl_> now mineur - this qtparted, will i be able to move partitions around without damaging data? i also have a 40gb FAT32 partition, which i'd like to keep untouched...
[04:41] <earl_> or at the very least, intact
[04:41] <Zamber> earl_ did you added the sh script to the kde autostart?
[04:41] <earl_> nope, i didn't do that
[04:41] <Zamber> it rund beryl-manager on boot if you're using xgl
[04:41] <mineur> well that's the idea of qtparted................ but then again... I'm not giving garantees :)
[04:41] <Zamber> google for it
[04:41] <earl_> im using aiglx
[04:42] <mineur> intel 855GME
[04:42] <root_> hello..can any one please tell me how to install anjuta IDE on kubuntu
[04:42] <makuseru> ha, i just got off of an 845g
[04:42] <Dr_willis> !find anjuta
[04:42] <makuseru> whats your ram/processor
[04:42] <ubotu> Found: anjuta, anjuta-common, anjuta-dev
[04:42] <mineur> 512 MB
[04:42] <Dr_willis> !info anjuta
[04:42] <ubotu> anjuta: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1494 kB, installed size 3760 kB
[04:42] <mineur> 1.5 GHz
[04:42] <makuseru> ha
[04:42] <Dr_willis> root_,  enable the universe repository  and sudo apt-get install anjuta
[04:43] <root_> k
[04:43] <Dr_willis> universe is enabled by default or not? i forget.
[04:43] <makuseru> i had 2.2ghz, 768mb, 845G and i could only get 25
[04:43] <root_> but i got a problem
[04:43] <root_> i'll just show u that in a minute
[04:44] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound in edgy?
[04:44] <Dr_willis> You got lots of problems :) ircing as root is not a good thing to do either. Heh
[04:44] <mineur> makuseru: might also be a combination of effects... some combinations are really slow on some graphical cards.. a matter of trying out
[04:44] <mineur> what sound card do you have?
[04:45] <makuseru> ummm, lemme check
[04:45] <root_> ya.. i guess so..but i installed it for first time yesterday
[04:45] <root_> i get the following error          : "No package 'glib-2.0' found ...
[04:46] <root_> error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.8.0) were not me
[04:46] <Dr_willis> have you updated the system yet? with 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[04:46] <makuseru> mineur: intel ich5
[04:46] <earl_> hey so when i ran qtparted i got this message
[04:47] <earl_> Error: File system was not cleanly unmounted!  You should run e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean file system could cause severe corruption.
[04:47] <Zamber> earl_ look on the bottom of this one http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX
[04:47] <root_> k..
[04:47] <root_> i'll do that
[04:47] <Dr_willis> earl_,  you dont want to run parted on mounted filesystems.  id advise using a live cd. checking the filesystems, then doing your parted work.
[04:48] <KennethP> I'll try this once more: When installing the webdeveloper 1.0.2 extention on Firefox 2.0.0.1 via Adept on Kubuntu 6.10 I see this 'Not compatible with Firefox 2.0.0.1' message' - the developer claims that it should be... any ideas?
[04:48] <earl_> that's probably a good idea, i didn't intend to do anything right now, i was mostly just checking out the program
[04:48] <mineur> earl_: better use a live cd for messing with partitions... and I'd strongly suggest a backup before messing with partitions
[04:48] <Zamber> earl_ I can't find a autorun script for aiglx, I have xgl only ;P
[04:48] <earl_> but, how do i run this e2fsck and what kind of thing does it do
[04:49] <makuseru> mineur: intel ich5
[04:49] <mineur> makuseru: hang on :)
[04:49] <makuseru> k
[04:49] <Dr_willis> earl_,  its a disk-checker program. :) normally ran from a shell.
[04:50] <mineur> if you want beryl to run automatically, check: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_AIGLX#Configuring_Beryl
[04:50] <earl_> well i mean, what is the usage of
[04:50] <earl_> it
[04:50] <earl_> like e2fsck /dev/hdc3 or whatever?
[04:50] <root_> hello.. i executed d 1st command.. i.e the update one
[04:50] <Dr_willis> man e2fsck
[04:50] <mineur> !e2fsck
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about e2fsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <Dr_willis> earl_,  basicially
[04:50] <mineur> stupid bot :p
[04:50] <root_> but the upgrade 1 tells me download 140 mb..
[04:50] <Dr_willis> root_,  so...
[04:50] <root_> i cant do that much..
[04:51] <root_> now..i mean
[04:51] <root_> i want to do essential files only
[04:51] <mineur> makuseru: is alsa installed or something like that, actually someone tell me what's the default sound server in ubuntu? it just worked out of the box here... :)
[04:51] <root_> could you guide
[04:51] <Dr_willis> let it download what it can i guess... what sort of answer are ya expecting.. it sees all the updates to the stuff and wants to install them..
[04:51] <root_> no..pls
[04:51] <earl_> i see, thanks
[04:51] <makuseru> its set to automatic
[04:52] <Dr_willis> other stuff you want to install may need those updates as well
[04:52] <sinbad33> why wont Konq let me delete some old files on one of my drives ??
[04:52] <root_> i mean.no open office n firefox stuf.. just system resources.. i no it sounds a bit wierd
[04:52] <root_> k..
[04:52] <MetProphet> Hi there...
[04:52] <mineur> makuseru: check if alsa is installed
[04:52] <Dr_willis> you could just 'update' then try installing whateger it is you want.. but it still may try to upgrade some things.
[04:53] <makuseru> how do i do that
[04:53] <sinbad33> how do i enable 'delete' permissions on Konq ??
[04:53] <mineur> makuseru: sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:53] <root_> k..
[04:53] <makuseru> alsa-base is already the newest version.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  perhaps check the permissions/ownership of those files.
[04:54] <mineur> so it is installed :)
[04:54] <makuseru> yup
[04:54] <root_> ne wayz thnx a lot 4 yer help.. hope to see you soon..
[04:55] <sinbad33> Dr, i tried to do that but they were all greyed out :(
[04:55] <root_> bye
[04:55] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  time to use the shell.. and go look at the files I guess. :)
[04:55] <makuseru> mineur: what now?
[04:55] <sinbad33> shell? u mean kconsole ?
[04:55] <mineur> you use kde right?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  ls -al /whatever/files and see whos owning them and what perms.. are they on a windows drive? or what sort of drive
[04:56] <Dr_willis> !shell
[04:56] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:56] <mineur> makuseru: the sound system is enabled in system settings?
[04:56] <sinbad33> Dr, well they are on an old slave ntfs drive i used to use on windows xp
[04:56] <makuseru> yes
[04:57] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  you realize that 'writing' to ntfs drives is sort of unsupported. :)
[04:57] <mineur> makuseru: and does it give an error?
[04:57] <makuseru> no
[04:57] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  reading the files is good.. writing/deleteing - can trash the drive.. (but i hear its doable, but risky)
[04:57] <earl_> one more thing guys, i'm considering just reinstalling kubuntu, any suggestions on how big i should make my swap partition?
[04:57] <mineur> are your speakers turned on? :d
[04:57] <makuseru> yes
[04:58] <Dr_willis> earl_,  i always make at least a 512mb swap. reguardless of ram.. how mych ram ya got?
[04:58] <mineur> earl_: some people used to say twice your ram... but I'd say same amount as your ram
[04:58] <sinbad33> Dr, oh really?! didnt know that
[04:59] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  Now ya do. :)
[04:59] <sinbad33> Dr, thanx for telling me , guess i need to be 'careful'
[04:59] <sinbad33> i thought by now kubuntu was fully ntfs compat
[05:00] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  theres an addon for windows that lets XP read/write to your Linux Ext2/3 drives - so i rarely have to write to ntfs drives (or use them at all ) these days
[05:00] <mineur> makuseru: I'm not sure then, I always had my sound working out of the box...
[05:00] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  i doubt if linux will every be FULLY ntfs compat.. since MS wont release all the specs.
[05:00] <mineur> I never had problems writing to ntfs... but indeed they say to do it at your own risk....
[05:00] <Dr_willis> sinbad33,  i hear its very useable... but do you really want to risk the data...
[05:00] <mineur> I do lol
[05:00] <mineur> like to live on the edge hehe
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Losing your mp3 files is one thing.... losing your Boss's data files is another...
[05:01] <Dr_willis> and Losing your PORN is unacceptable!
[05:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:01] <mineur> I wouldn't store my boss's data on a ntfs drive hehe
[05:01] <mineur> and definatly not my pron roflol
[05:02] <sinbad33> Dr, no i dont want to risk my data on that drive, but i have alot of large >4Gb files on it, can i do a conversion or should i just not use the ntfs drive as an aux kubuntu drive at all ?
[05:02] <earl_> i have 768mb of ram
[05:02] <earl_> and i have 1gb of swap
[05:02] <earl_> not enough? too much?
[05:02] <sinbad33> HAHA
[05:02] <sinbad33> right!
[05:02] <mineur> earl_: is your HD big enough?
[05:02] <earl_> define big enough
[05:03] <mineur> lol that depends on what you use it for!
[05:03] <earl_> giggidy
[05:03] <sinbad33> i just hope i will be able to use that drive with xp again
[05:03] <Lynoure> earl_: Laptop or desktop?
[05:03] <sinbad33> giggidy?
[05:03] <earl_> i have a 7g NTFs partition, a 7g ext3 partition, 1gb swap, 40something fat32
[05:03] <earl_> it's a desktop
[05:03] <mineur> fat32..... eeeeeeeeeeeeeew
[05:03] <earl_> welllllllllll
[05:03] <earl_> it has all my music and stuff
[05:04] <Alarm> hello. i got a problem with the sound OR video. when i open a tv application (it happened to kdetv as also motv) , and close the application, the application closes , but the sound still continues. that has as an effect not to allow my system to shut down , and when i reset the computer and log in again the tv application starts again, like it has been crashed during the shutdown. what can i check ?
[05:04] <mineur> I'd go for ext3 then and install tools in winblows to read ext3 :)
[05:04] <Lynoure> earl_: For hibernation 2xram is good, it's also often recommended for desktops but I rarely use more than 1xram of swap
[05:04] <earl_> i dont know how feasible that really is, mineur =P
[05:04] <penguinfan> hello, i have some videos from my digi cam and want to convert them to a smaller format or rotate them by 90 degrees. in windows i would use windows movie maker. what do i use in kubuntu?
[05:05] <earl_> unless it will be fully integrated into windows, its not enough
[05:06] <BluesKaj> howdy
[05:06] <earl_> just a few more assorted questions
[05:06] <earl_> do any of you find klipper useful
[05:07] <Lynoure> earl_: I do.
[05:07] <sinbad33> generic mount options ?
[05:07] <mineur> ext2fsd integrates nicely... I think, not sure tho, but then again... ext2.... no thanx :)
[05:07] <cntb> earl_: sure do
[05:07] <waylandbill> earl_: I think the ext tools for windows integrates in (like in the explorer and stuff)
[05:07] <earl_> hm
[05:07] <earl_> what is it for
[05:08] <mineur> I never use it, but I'm still wating for the day I'll find it useful :d
[05:08] <Dr_willis> the various Tools for windows that read ext2 ALSO read ext3
[05:08] <earl_> like i can't think of a single thing to use it for, but i don't wnat to close it 'cause i'm afraid it'll be useful once i do
[05:08] <Dr_willis> at least they should be able to.
[05:08] <mineur> you can restart it then lol
[05:08] <waylandbill> yeah... ext3 as well as ext3
[05:08] <cntb> earl try it has all your last pastes for re-use
[05:08] <mineur> it's just to manage multiple copy/paste actions
[05:08] <mineur> I mostly just recopy and paste, but I guess for some people it's handy :)
[05:09] <cntb> earl_:  so leave it
[05:09] <earl_> well, if i was going to do this whole ext3 through windows thing, it would have to be readable and writable by any program
[05:09] <earl_> and, hopeflly, stable
[05:09] <cntb> be productive leave defaults alone
[05:09] <mineur> if it integrates... it is rw-able
[05:09] <Dr_willis> earl_,  ext3/2 is read/writeable from windows.. but you want to be carefull with it. :) you know how stable windows is...
[05:10] <mineur> lol
[05:10] <earl_> hm - what about speed and stability
[05:10] <earl_> i have a 20gb music collection, losing that would be inexcusable
[05:10] <Lynoure> earl_: I use it often for pasting urls to people, or when editing text, pasting bits I removed earlier
[05:10] <mineur> speed is ok, stability... as stable as winblows I guess :d
[05:10] <Dr_willis> http://www.fs-driver.org/       - is what i use to access the linxu drives.
[05:10] <matthew_> !wmv
[05:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:11] <earl_> thanks guys, i mostly asked about klipper because i dont like having things in the system tray
[05:11] <cntb> earl_: burn that music or buy more hard disks and copy backup
[05:11] <Lynoure> earl_: Hmm, do you know you can copy-paste simply by selecting text and middle clicking? If not, I can see how klipper does not make sense for you :)
[05:11] <earl_> yup lynoure, i do know about thh
[05:11] <earl_> that*
[05:13] <mineur> I wonder if wolfenstein would run on my intel Graphical card.... :)
[05:15] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound working on edgy
[05:16] <waylandbill> makuseru: do you get an error or something?
[05:17] <makuseru> no
[05:17] <makuseru> i just get no sound
[05:18] <waylandbill> well, your card is detected okay?
[05:18] <makuseru> it sees it
[05:18] <earl_> hm - bottom line it fo me guys, do you really recommend i move all my fat32 stuff (movies, games, music, etc) onto an ext3 partition, or is this just experimental stuff
[05:18] <mineur> earl_: if it works nicely with fat32.... don't change, never change a winning team :)
[05:19] <cntb> makuseru: alt f2 kmix
[05:19] <makuseru> what about kmix?
[05:19] <earl_> yeah aside from the whole eww windows thing, i never had any problems
[05:19] <cntb> earl_:  dont move copy it
[05:19] <cntb> backups are not a waste
[05:20] <earl_> cntb: the thing i like about my current setup is taht any changes/additions i make on one os applies to the other
[05:20] <earl_> copying... kinda negates that
[05:20] <mineur> if you plan to throw windows out of the window... well go for it, but if you want to keep winblows.... it all depends what you wsant yourself
[05:20] <cntb> your choice earl_
[05:21] <earl_> oh of course if i was ever to get rid of windows i wouldn't have second thoughts about putting it on a linux partition
[05:21] <earl_> oh, speaking of which
[05:22] <earl_> how come when i installed edgy, i was limited to ext3
[05:22] <earl_> no more reiserfs?
[05:22] <waylandbill> the guy who wrote reiserfs was up on charges last I knew.
[05:22] <BluesKaj> no native reiser support
[05:22] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound working on edgy
[05:23] <mineur> reiserfs is getting sued (spelling??) for murder on his wife... he wants to sell the company that develops reiserfs...
[05:23] <waylandbill> ext3 works just fine.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> you can set up a resiserfs partition with other tools beforhand if you really wanted to.
[05:23] <mineur> hmm not reiserfs is getting the lawsuit but the guy who made it lol
[05:23] <waylandbill> I thought it was murder, but couldn't recall.
[05:23] <earl_> i had heard about the murder thing, but i didn't know if that was the reaosn why
[05:23] <mineur> yeah waylandbill, charges are for murder on his wife
[05:24] <mineur> I guess so, it could be that reiserfs dissapears with time...
[05:24] <Dr_willis> earl_,  thats not the reason 'why' its not officially supported - i think. :)
[05:24] <earl_> well i was told it was the best partition to use
[05:24] <mineur> so, better invest in sure things
[05:24] <mineur> reiserfs is pretty good... but ext3 works just fine too
[05:24] <earl_> so i was kinda sad to see it go
[05:24] <Dr_willis> theres so many arguments for/against reiserfs being used for different tasks.. but i think it boils down do - the drawbacks outweigh the benifits.
[05:24] <chih> 
[05:25] <waylandbill> earl_: it very well could be, but if noone's going to support it, then it doesn't help much.
[05:25] <earl_> yeah
[05:25] <Dr_willis> it may be 'best' in some very few specific cases
[05:25] <Lynoure> Why would anything the Reiser guy do make the fs go away?
[05:25] <Lynoure> It's open source, is it not?
[05:25] <earl_> in the end it really really doesn't matter to me, as long as it works well i don't care, i just thought it was strange
[05:25] <mineur> yeah it is
[05:26] <mineur> but he's pretty protective... not allowing many contributions
[05:26] <Dr_willis> actually 'him' going away . may be the best thing for reiserfs.
[05:26] <Lynoure> If there is need/use for it, people will keep on supporting it or working on it.
[05:26] <mineur> so when he goes down... he'll probably take his project with him, unless someone takes over of course
[05:26] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound working on edgy
[05:26] <Dr_willis> but basisially (i hear) he draggs his feet.. so thhes other FS's are catching up.
[05:26] <mineur> but like you say... that will only happen when there's need for it... I think ext3 does a good job
[05:27] <waylandbill> Lynoure: of course, if there's someone to care enough to pick up the project and continue it.
[05:28] <Lynoure> waylandbill: and if not, it cannot be a big loss :)
[05:28] <waylandbill> :)
[05:30] <earl_> next question: i have set up timidity on my computer, it's pretty nifty, but now is there any way to use it to play midis... you know, without the commandline
[05:31] <mineur> !timidity
[05:31] <ubotu> timidity: Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.2-7.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 534 kB, installed size 1716 kB
[05:31] <earl_> and i'm afraid i'm about to sound like a huge noob in a sec but, would it possible for it to work through like xine or something
[05:31] <earl_> i.e. so i could play midis through amarok
[05:32] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound working on edgy
[05:32] <earl_> or even an embedded midi on a webpage or something
[05:32] <Dr_willis> makuseru,  it can be a rather complex task.. and lots of details..  has it Ever worked?
[05:32] <makuseru> yes
[05:33] <makuseru> untill i put this new mobo in
[05:33] <waylandbill> makuseru: no need to repeat. you still haven't given enough info for anyone to help you or a question for someone to answer.
[05:33] <makuseru> there isnt any info
[05:33] <makuseru> thats the whole thiing, no sound
[05:33] <makuseru> no error or anything
[05:33] <makuseru> just no sound
[05:34] <waylandbill> do you have the mixer volume set? muted?
[05:34] <makuseru> no
[05:34] <earl_> makuseru... xorg.0.log doesn't give an error?
[05:34] <earl_> (that's about all the insight i can cook up for you bro)
[05:34] <makuseru> i dont think so, ill check again tho
[05:35] <earl_> yeah look through it for all the (EE) stuff and maybe the (WW)s, you're bound to find something
[05:36] <makuseru> no errors
[05:37] <earl_> i see
[05:37] <earl_> all out of ideas then, but i'm a noob so that shouldnt be a surprise
[05:41] <BluesKaj> the obvious question remains, earl_ , have you set thew volume sliders on all your inputs and outputs and switches in Kmix ?
[05:41] <earl_> uhh...
[05:42] <earl_> (makuseru was the one with the sound problem ^_^)
[05:42] <makuseru> and yes i have
[05:42] <makuseru> how can i reinstall the sound drivers
[05:43] <Plaa> Colours are wrong when I watch videos, I mean yellow is yellow but its too yellow; when I use x11 output everything looks right but in fullscreen I think the resolution drops and framerate possibly is too low, what should I do? this happens also in ubuntu
[05:46] <cntb> howto play mid?
[05:46] <BluesKaj> Plaa, perhaps your video monitor contrls will
[05:46] <BluesKaj> help
[05:47] <earl_> ?
[05:47] <Plaa> I have a laptop, and this only happens in videos
[05:47] <BluesKaj> <--- not quite awake yet ,sorry  earl_  :)
[05:48] <BluesKaj> makuseru, the obvious question remains, have you set the volume sliders on all your inputs and outputs and switches in Kmix ?
[05:49] <makuseru> yes
[05:50] <BluesKaj> well sorry makuseru, I had to ask it ...sometimes even the most knowledgeable forget the obvious
[05:50] <makuseru> hhaha
[05:50] <makuseru> how can i reinstall the sound drivers
[05:51] <TheGateKeeper> what's the command that tells you your kernel name etc?
[05:51] <BluesKaj> go to the manufacturere website ...there maybe drivers written for linux
[05:51] <earl_> thats okay =)
[05:51] <makuseru> never thought of that
[05:51] <mineur> uname -a
[05:52] <TheGateKeeper> mineur: thanx :-)
[05:52] <mineur> welcome :)
[05:52] <tobi__> Anyone an Idea, where I can get the lame encoder for my KAudioCreator (yes, I'm using KDE)
[05:55] <BluesKaj> tobi__, is there no Lame encoder in the "encoder list" ?
[05:58] <cntb> !mp3
[05:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:58] <tobi__> for sure it is, but it is not fully installed, because of license things... so before can rip my CDs into mp3 format i have to install the paket
[06:02] <makuseru> can someone please help me get sound working on edgy
[06:08] <tamacracka> Anyone know why a folder wont delete off of my desktop?
[06:08] <tamacracka> it gives me an access denied.
[06:09] <BluesKaj> maybe it's shared , tamacracka
[06:09] <PuNToCoM> hola. alguien q hable espaol'
[06:09] <tamacracka> shared?...
[06:09] <BluesKaj> !es
[06:09] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:09] <tamacracka> im not on a network
[06:12] <tamacracka> Can someone help me? I extracted a .rar file, I deleted the RAR file, but now I cannot delete the folder. I get an error: access denied.
[06:13] <stdin> tamacracka: who owns the folder?
[06:13] <tamacracka> <,<
[06:13] <tamacracka> i do
[06:13] <tamacracka> it's a file i downloaded.
[06:13] <tamacracka> onto my desktop
[06:13] <tamacracka> then extracted it onto the desktop
[06:13] <stdin> tamacracka: yeah, but look at the permissions tab, in the folder properties
[06:14] <tamacracka> User: tamacracker
[06:14] <tamacracka> group: tamacracker
[06:14] <tamacracka> <- tamacracker
[06:14] <tamacracka> :P
[06:15] <stdin> tamacracka: and what are the permissions ?
[06:15] <tamacracka> Can view
[06:15] <tamacracka> all of them.
[06:15] <tamacracka> can view
[06:15] <stdin> tamacracka: hmm, open konsole and try and delete it from there
[06:16] <tamacracka> >.> i dunno how to delete with console all i think i would have to type is -r "path name"
[06:16] <hak5fan> Hello how would I go about aplying this fix http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1847345
[06:16] <hak5fan> ?
[06:17] <stdin> tamacracka: I'll show you how to delete it
[06:17] <stdin> tamacracka: first cd to the desktop "cd Desktop" (case sensitive)
[06:17] <tamacracka> ok
[06:18] <tamacracka> ok
[06:18] <stdin> tamacracka: id the folder empty?
[06:18] <stdin> *is
[06:18] <tamacracka> nope it has mp3s
[06:18] <tamacracka> but i want all of it thrown out
[06:19] <stdin> tamacracka: ok :) type "rm -r folder" (replace "folder" with the name of the folder)
[06:19] <tamacracka> if there's spaces
[06:19] <tamacracka> do i need to use underscore?
[06:20] <stdin> tamacracka: no put it in quotes
[06:20] <hak5fan> To fix this error:  i8042.c: Can't read CTR while initializing i8042  I have to do this:
[06:20] <hak5fan> The fix is, when booting with grub, add the following option to the kernel line:
[06:20] <hak5fan> usb-handoff
[06:20] <hak5fan> How do I do this
[06:20] <stdin> hak5fan: you need to put it in to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:20] <tamacracka> ...
[06:21] <tamacracka> hold on
[06:21] <tamacracka> stdin this is the name of the folder on konsole: Goldyn\ Chyld
[06:21] <stdin> hak5fan: on the line with "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6....." at the end (an all the lines with it)
[06:21] <faLUCE> Hi, how can I write the output of a command directly to a file?
[06:22] <stdin> tamacracka: that's ok, using '\' is called "escaping", it lets the command know that the space is part of the name
[06:22] <hak5fan> stdin: ok
[06:22] <hak5fan> tnx
[06:22] <Alarm> is there any command i can see how many open connections i have ?
[06:22] <stdin> faLUCE: easy :) like this "command > filename"
[06:22] <tamacracka> so do i need to type rm -r "Goldyn\ Chyld" ?
[06:23] <Alarm> not what connections but the number of connections
[06:23] <stdin> tamacracka: yes
[06:23] <faLUCE> stdin: thnks
[06:23] <stdin> :)
[06:23] <tamacracka> rm: cannot remove `Goldyn\\ Chyld': No such file or directory
[06:24] <stdin> tamacracka: did you only use 1 '\' ?
[06:24] <tamacracka> oh i see
[06:24] <tamacracka> if i type \
[06:24] <tamacracka> i cant add a space
[06:24] <stdin> tamacracka: ahh , i see, no, if you quote it, you don't need a '\'
[06:24] <tamacracka> so it would be rm -r "Goldyn\Chyld'
[06:25] <stdin> tamacracka: so just type "rm -r Goldyn\ Chyld"
[06:25] <translation> Does anyone have a problem with alsa sound drivers in Kubuntu 6.10?
[06:25] <tamacracka> i can't add a space lol
[06:25] <tamacracka> or it wont recognize it
[06:25] <stdin> tamacracka: if you put the "\" before the space, it will
[06:28] <translation> Could some one throw some light on  the "cpu overload- sound server problem" with alsa drivers in kubuntu?
[06:28] <tamacracka> it wont let me remove the stupid write protection
[06:28] <stdin> Alarm: the only thing I can think of is "sudo cat /proc/net/nf_conntrack|grep ESTABLISHED|wc -l"
[06:29] <tamacracka> nevermind :\
[06:29] <tamacracka> i changed the permission through the properties
[06:29] <Alarm> what would that command do ?
[06:29] <tamacracka> LOL
[06:29] <tamacracka> thanks stdin
[06:29] <stdin> tamacracka: ok, we could add write permissions to it with "chmod +w Goldyn\ Chyld" but you can just do "sudo rm -r Goldyn\ Chyld" too
[06:30] <stdin> Alarm: what you wanted, show how many active connections there are
[06:30] <Alarm> hope cat wont modify any file
[06:31] <faLUCE> stdin, and how can I do if I want to write to the same file the output of two consecutive commands?
[06:31] <stdin> Alarm: no, cat just prints the file, you could do it like this too "sudo grep ESTABLISHED /proc/net/nf_conntrack|wc -l
[06:32] <translation> /q
[06:32] <Alarm> thank u
[06:32] <stdin> np :)
[06:32] <Alarm> grep: /proc/net/nf_conntrack: No such file or directory
[06:32] <Alarm> unfortunatelly
[06:32] <stdin> faLUCE: you mean write to it twice, without overwriting it ?
[06:33] <faLUCE> stdin: yes
[06:33] <stdin> Alarm: hmm, have a look in /proc/net there should be something in there with the same info
[06:33] <Alarm> okie thank you
[06:34] <stdin> faLUCE: command1 > file ; command 2 >> file
[06:35] <faLUCE> stdin: what can i say:) thnks again
[06:35] <TurnTheOtherWay> hi again stdin
[06:36] <stdin> faLUCE: no problem. you may find this page/site useful too http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html
[06:36] <stdin> hay TurnTheOtherWay :)
[06:36] <hak5fan> stdin: it worked thank you
[06:36] <TurnTheOtherWay> the kubuntu thing went terribly lol
[06:37] <BluesKaj> TurnTheOtherWay, why did you have to reinstall windows , did you lose the parition ?
[06:37] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: I never use the graphical installer, so I'm not an expert on it :P
[06:37] <stdin> hak5fan: no proble m :)
[06:37] <stdin> *problem :P
[06:37] <TurnTheOtherWay> BluesKaj: i lost everything cos grub wouldnt work and i have a raid drive which i think confused it
[06:38] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: you use the alternative?
[06:38] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: yeah, I always use it
[06:38] <hak5fan> I have one more problem though.... even though the modprobe command showed that my nvidia drivers were installed I'm only able to start x right after the installation if i reboot then I get an api mismatch error
[06:38] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: does it give you the option not to use GRUB?
[06:39] <chavo> I've used both disks with no problem here, but I don't have any raid setups either
[06:39] <BluesKaj> oh I see , TurnTheOtherWay ...bummer :(
[06:39] <TurnTheOtherWay> BluesKaj: definitely. i think i will use the alternative... if i try again. im mentally scarred after that :p
[06:39] <stdin> TurnTheOtherWay: yeah, it does, but you do need a bootloader somewhere
[06:39] <d0dge> Any suggestions, why I can't change resolution more than 1024x768? I have NVIDIA drivers for my geforce.
[06:40] <stdin> !xconfig
[06:40] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[06:40] <d0dge> !
[06:40] <d0dge> Oh
[06:40] <stdin> d0dge: use the 2nd command there
[06:41] <BluesKaj> <--- no idea how a raid setup is handled in Kubuntu and afraid to find out :)
[06:41] <d0dge> stdin: Ok, in the list I have VESA, should I take nv or NVIDIA
[06:41] <TurnTheOtherWay_> woah wtf my connection to freenode got reset :/
[06:41] <faLUCE> stdin: one last question: i have to write to a file the output of two commands (in the same line, with this char "-" between them) ONLY if BOTH commands give me a result
[06:42] <frojnd> !wmv
[06:42] <stdin> d0dge: if you want to use the binary NVIDIA driver, choose "nvidia", if that fails, use "nv"
[06:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:42] <Alarm> one more question. i got jdk1.5 installed. but cannot view java with firefox cause the plugin is not installed. found in the repo java plugin for firefox but its the 1.4.2 version, which means a lower version will be installed. can i use java1.5 on the firefox as a plugin to view it on webpages ?
[06:42] <BluesKaj> !RAID
[06:42] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:42] <soulrider> hi
[06:42] <soulrider> does anyone know if theres a wine channel on freenode ?
[06:42] <tobi__> d0dge: which card is it you want to install ?
[06:43] <stdin> Alarm: install "sun-java5-plugin" that's version 1.5
[06:43] <stdin> soulrider: #winehq
[06:43] <soulrider> thanks stdin
[06:43] <TurnTheOtherWay_> hmm a raid page... thanls blues
[06:43] <d0dge> stdin: Ok, should I reboot? I made some changes in the resolution list
[06:43] <BluesKaj> NP . TurnTheOtherWay_
[06:43] <stdin> d0dge: no, just restart X, logout and choose "restart the X server" from the login menu
[06:44] <d0dge> stdin: Okay, thanks for help!
[06:44] <stdin> faLUCE: that's more advanced, you'd get a better answer in #bash :)
[06:44] <Alarm> stdin,  in the repo i see just 1.4.2 dude
[06:44] <bonbonthejon> are there any native german speakers I can ask a question
[06:45] <TurnTheOtherWay_> !de
[06:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:45] <TurnTheOtherWay_> so yes
[06:45] <TurnTheOtherWay_> ;)
[06:45] <stdin> Alarm: It don't matter, if it's called "sun-java5-plugin" it's for java 1.5, trust me :)
[06:46] <soulrider> Alarm: java 5 == java1.5
[06:46] <Alarm> okie, thank you a lot
[06:46] <soulrider> Alarm: even sun uses those 2 numbers for java 1.5/5
[06:46] <tobi__> !mp3
[06:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:46] <soulrider> TurnTheOtherWay_: i think youre turning the other way :P
[06:46] <TurnTheOtherWay_> soulrider: how so? :p
[06:47] <soulrider> uhm.. windows firewall... wtf? o.O
[06:47] <Alarm> j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin ,
[06:47] <Alarm> ok found also the 5
[06:47] <soulrider> Alarm: jre1.4 is older
[06:47] <Alarm> thank you
[06:47] <soulrider> install 5 or 1.5
[06:47] <TurnTheOtherWay_> soulrider: lmao i had to reinstall windows and i only just installed ZA again so have to restart
[06:48] <TurnTheOtherWay_> im on the dark side :p
[06:48] <soulrider> lol yes
[06:48] <Silentme> is there anyway to restart/reload a device?
[06:48] <soulrider> you have to restart allt he time
[06:48] <soulrider> Silentme: like what ?
[06:48] <TurnTheOtherWay_> ALL the time
[06:48] <soulrider> TurnTheOtherWay_: just use ubuntu! :P
[06:48] <Silentme> soulrider:  webcam
[06:49] <TurnTheOtherWay_> soulrider: i cant, installing kubuntu is the reason why i had to redo windows and stuff cos of damned GRUB. :(
[06:50] <xwolf> i'm looking for the config files for programs i want to startup at the time i login to kde
[06:51] <TurnTheOtherWay_> which programs?
[06:51] <soulrider> sorry, no idea Silentme
[06:51] <soulrider> TurnTheOtherWay_: what happened to your grub ?
[06:52] <TurnTheOtherWay_> soulrider: i got error 2. i think its cos of my RAID.
[06:52] <soulrider> oh
[06:52] <soulrider> i cant help you with raid
[06:52] <TurnTheOtherWay_> it couldnt even see the hdd lol
[06:52] <soulrider> :(
[06:53] <TurnTheOtherWay_> theres a raid help page here, which im viewing in my very safe state :p bt it looks damn complicated lol
[06:53] <bonbonthejon> TurnTheOtherWay_: grub can't boot from RAID
[06:53] <TurnTheOtherWay_> bonbonthejon: it cant? ah hell.
[06:53] <TurnTheOtherWay_> bonbonthejon: what can boot from raid?
[06:53] <MidMark> raid is hell for linux and for your data
[06:53] <bonbonthejon> TurnTheOtherWay_: I have a RAID, just put a small /boot partition, then grub works wihthat
[06:54] <TurnTheOtherWay_> you have to custom make it?
[06:54] <TurnTheOtherWay_> you use alternative or graphic?
[06:54] <bonbonthejon> TurnTheOtherWay_: i ran the alternative install cd, create two partitions, one /boot, the other is for RAID
[06:55] <TurnTheOtherWay_> ahhh
[06:55] <bonbonthejon> TurnTheOtherWay_: oh, and a swap partition
[06:55] <TurnTheOtherWay_> wish i had known that lol
[06:55] <TurnTheOtherWay_> thanks
[06:55] <bonbonthejon> TurnTheOtherWay_: grub doesnt have the RAID drivers
[06:56] <bonbonthejon> TurnTheOtherWay_: i need to leave, but I should be back in 45 minutes, if you need more help
[06:56] <TurnTheOtherWay_> bonbonthejon: no, ive gven up on linux for now lol
[06:57] <TurnTheOtherWay_> bonbonthejon: thanks for the offer though
[07:00] <jjesse> good afternoon, is there something i can try to troublshoot why my laptop freezes/stops responding on edgy?
[07:01] <MidMark> jjesse: using skype 1.3?
[07:01] <jjesse> MidMark: no
[07:01] <MidMark> so check in the log if there are some errors
[07:01] <jjesse> it will freeze w/ just konqi opened up
[07:02] <Silentme> Newly uppgraded from dapper to edgy?
[07:02] <jjesse> no fresh install
[07:02] <Silentme> from cd?
[07:03] <jjesse> and i don't ssee any erros in system log
[07:03] <jjesse> Silentme: yeah from the desktop cd
[07:03] <amigrave> I cant' find package kuickshow anymore, is there a replacement for it ? I like gwenview for viewing my albums, but kuickshow was faster and I associate it to images because most of the time I want to click on an image and see it fast, then I want to hit esc to quit the program. Is there a kde program that is like kuickshow ?
[07:03] <Silentme> gqwiev?
[07:04] <amigrave> is gqview a kde or qt program ?
[07:04] <Silentme> g stand for gnome i guess, but it has worked for me in kde ,   if i dont bistake it for gwnview
[07:05] <amigrave> Silentme: yes but I hate gnome file selector and lack of responsiveness of gtk
[07:05] <Silentme> well , it has worked fine for me , in kde
[07:05] <amigrave> Silentme: this is the main reason why I use kde ;-)
[07:05] <n8k99> amigrave have you tried digikam?
[07:05] <HymnToLife> amen to that
[07:06] <tobi__> How do you rip a cd? any hint ?
[07:06] <HymnToLife> tobi__, audio CD ?
[07:06] <amigrave> n8k99: digikam is most like gwenview (correct me if I'm wrong) but I want the lightest viewer possible
[07:06] <Silentme> k3b
[07:06] <tobi__> audio cd...yes!
[07:06] <HymnToLife> I personnally use !abcde
[07:06] <amigrave> tobi__: kaudiocreator
[07:07] <HymnToLife> !abcde
[07:07] <ubotu> abcde: A Better CD Encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.99.5-1 (edgy), package size 103 kB, installed size 300 kB
[07:07] <chavo> amigrave, try kview
[07:07] <chavo> you can also go to the settings and make Esc quit the program
[07:07] <n8k99> amigrave: gwenview is an image viewer, digikam is an image manager - you can edit, tag, export and post from digikam
[07:07] <tobi__> does it mp3s ?
[07:08] <n8k99> amigrave: but I understand wanting lightweight apps
[07:08] <tobi__> my KAudioCreator works, but I was searching days for the lame encoder paket, but didn't find it.
[07:09] <jjesse> tobi__:  apt-get install lame
[07:09] <jjesse> should handle it for KAudioCreator
[07:09] <Silentme> i have liked gqview its wery easy to use, it has 3 frames 1 to browse 1to view thumbs and 1to see pict in real size
[07:10] <amigrave> n8k99: well light is not the real term, I mean fast. A program which has not a bloated UI for viewing only purpose. Kuickshow was the best program for me. BTW: do you know why it has been removed ?
[07:10] <tobi__> jjesse: tahnks
[07:10] <wimpies> Hi all, I run edgy now and an unable to hear sound in presentations.  On my other system I forcefully installed version 2.1 and have no problems.  Presuming 2.1 is in feisty and hearing that Herd2 is out ... is it *now* safe enough to upgrade ?
[07:10] <tobi__> i'll try
[07:10] <HymnToLife> !kuickshow
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kuickshow - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <Silentme> !gqview
[07:10] <ubotu> gqview: A simple image viewer using GTK+. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 707 kB, installed size 2312 kB
[07:11] <HymnToLife> damn, they removed KS ?
[07:11] <n8k99> amigrave: no idea why its not included
[07:11] <HymnToLife> I'm glad I switched back to Debian
[07:11] <chavo> amigrave, kview is a little lighter than gwenview did yiu try it?
[07:12] <n8k99> amigrave: if you have all your repos enabled kuickshow is part of kdegraphics
[07:12] <endo602> hey
[07:12] <jjesse> hey
[07:13] <endo602> Can someone walk me through the steps to change my vcard
[07:13] <endo602> ?
[07:14] <amigrave> chavo: I remember I tried it when I was searching a viewer and of course it is light, but it is slow on big images and it is slow when you zoom a big image. Well it was a long time ago when I saw these problems, maybe they are corrected now. Going to try again
[07:15] <chavo> amigrave, ok but it only starts marginally faster than gwenview for me anyway
[07:15] <amigrave> n8k99: kdegraphics is a metapackage right ? how can I know what will be installed if I install kdegraphics ? I would like to avoid installing unneeded package
[07:16] <HymnToLife> amigrave, it's not a metapackage
[07:16] <HymnToLife> it's one package, but it contains several apps
[07:16] <KillerBee> hello
[07:16] <HymnToLife> hmm, actually I'm not that sure about it anymore, lemme check
[07:16] <KillerBee> is it posible to install kubuntu on a reiserfs3 filesystem?
[07:17] <Silentme>  is there any way to restart/reload a  video device?
[07:17] <Silentme>  i  tried lsof  but now there is no cam showing, (i was stupid enough to unplug it and pluged it back in, and now it cant find it)
[07:17] <chavo> I just installed kdegraphics and there's no kuickshow there either
[07:17] <HymnToLife> KillerBee, certainly, just choose ReiserFS at the partitioning
[07:18] <HymnToLife> yeah indeed, it's not in it either
[07:18] <KillerBee> oh I never remembered that it has that option
[07:18] <chavo> apt-get install *
[07:18] <HymnToLife> on my Debian, kuickshow is in it's own package
[07:19] <HymnToLife> but it doesn't seem to exist in Ubuntu
[07:19] <HymnToLife> !info kuickshow
[07:19] <ubotu> Package kuickshow does not exist in any distro I know
[07:19] <amigrave> HymnToLife: yes I found some threads about this now
[07:19] <HymnToLife> seems it has been removed in Dapper...
[07:19] <HymnToLife> !info kuickshow breezy
[07:19] <ubotu> kuickshow: KDE image/slideshow viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2.5 (breezy), package size 458 kB, installed size 892 kB
[07:20] <TheGateKeeper> can you use deborphan to show dependencies on a particular package?
[07:20] <HymnToLife> I guess just installing the Breezy package might work
[07:21] <waylandbill> TheGateKeeper. apt-cache or aptitude show will list the deps.
[07:21] <Silentme> Do i have to restart my computer again to get my cam to work /be found again !?!
[07:21] <n8k99> kuickshow doesn't look like it has been under development since 16/08/01
[07:21] <HymnToLife> or you can go to http://packages.ubuntu.com and search for it
[07:21] <n8k99> that maybe why its not in dapper
[07:21] <amigrave> HymnToLife: seems to be a metapackage
[07:22] <HymnToLife> amigrave, yep it is, sorry
[07:22] <HymnToLife> but Kuickshow is not in it
[07:22] <TheGateKeeper> waylandbill, hmmm don't know suppose you know where I would find the source code for ldd ?
[07:22] <[KillerB] > my net went down, anyways it is possible to install kubuntu without removing my prevois user homefolder?
[07:23] <HymnToLife> [KillerB] , if you were wise enough to put it on a separate partition, yes
[07:23] <Silentme> Do i have to restart my computer again to get my cam to work /be found again !?!
[07:23] <HymnToLife> if not, you can still do it now
[07:23] <n8k99> sourceforge lists kuikshow's lastest update as 2002-10-16 in CVS, which seems to indicate that it is no longer in development as KDE now uses SVN
[07:24] <[KillerB] > I did not but doing it seems like the best ideea
[07:24] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: ldd seems to be a bash script
[07:24] <HymnToLife> [KillerB] , http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[07:26] <[KillerB] > now if I would only have the space to slipt it damn it
[07:27] <[KillerB] > my homefolder is about 100gb
[07:28] <jjesse> wow that's a huge homefolder
[07:28] <jjesse> lots of music?
[07:28] <[KillerB] > yep
[07:28] <jjesse> time to get a usb drive to keep it on :)
[07:28] <jjesse> that's what i've done w/ mine
[07:28] <TheGateKeeper> stdin, it's a bash command, I don't know how it was written, but lists dependencies of an app, if I could use it in a c/c++ program I could possible come up with something better than deborphan
[07:29] <[KillerB] > what if I just install ubuntu on a temporary drive, remove everything on my gentoo hdd except my homefolder and and copy over ubuntu?
[07:29] <Silentme> is there no one who knows if i have to restart my computer to get my cam to be regonized again (as a video device) ??
[07:29] <n8k99> amigrave look on http://kde-apps.org for a graphics viewer to replace kuickshow
[07:29] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: I mean it was written in bash, take a look at it in less (mine is a bash script)
[07:30] <tobi__> !debian
[07:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[07:30] <amigrave> n8k99: thanks but actually I'm googling in order to find why kuickshow would be deprecated in kubuntu, it seems strange to me
[07:30] <TheGateKeeper> stdin, ok thanx :-), damn I will have to reboot back to kubuntu
[07:31] <n8k99> amigrave: its because it hasnt been in development since 2002
[07:31] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: you should always be in kubuntu :P
[07:31] <n8k99> last release was 0.8.2
[07:31] <amigrave> n8k99: mhhhhhhh, ok. That's a good reason ;-)
[07:32] <n8k99> amigrave its not even listed as an active kde application
[07:32] <mr_> #xubuntu
[07:32] <TheGateKeeper> stdin, well I am in gentoo at the moment, so I will have to beg to differ there :-)
[07:33] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: well you can still look at the files on kubuntu in gentoo
[07:33] <wolfwalker> I still need help, if anyone would like to answer a newbie's idiot questions
[07:33] <wolfwalker> I finally found out where to put command prompts :/
[07:34] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:34] <wolfwalker> I downloaded Audacity as a .deb file
[07:34] <amigrave> n8k99: may I ask you what you do use for quick image viewing ?
[07:34] <TheGateKeeper> stdin, ohhh I got here too :P
[07:34] <wolfwalker> Now what do I DO with that .deb file?
[07:34] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:34] <n8k99> amigrave: konqueror can render previews
[07:34] <Agent_bob> !repos | wolfwalker
[07:34] <ubotu> wolfwalker: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:34] <chavo> wolfwalker, audacity is in the repos
[07:34] <stdin> wolfwalker: why don't you use the version in adept ?
[07:35] <wolfwalker> No, I'm not online on my Kubuntu computer
[07:35] <wolfwalker> I'm on Windows Xp on this one
[07:35] <wolfwalker> that's why I got the .deb file
[07:35] <n8k99> amigrave: they are thumbnails - and then when you want to look at them gwenview is embedded
[07:35] <Agent_bob> wolfwalker ok.  dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[07:35] <chavo> wolfwalker, use sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[07:35] <wolfwalker> I tried that
[07:35] <wolfwalker> "package" is the full file name, right?
[07:36] <Agent_bob> yes
[07:36] <stdin> wolfwalker: are you trying to install audacity in windows?
[07:36] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:36] <wolfwalker> No, trying to install audacity in Kubuntu
[07:36] <wolfwalker> Audacity rocks, for the record
[07:36] <Agent_bob> stdin linux box is not online
[07:36] <amigrave> n8k99: maybe you are the person I should ask a question for which I never got a response so far for some years now ...
[07:36] <jjesse> can't you just do an apt-get install audacity?
[07:36] <n8k99> amigrave:um ok
[07:37] <stdin> wolfwalker: aah, so you downloaded the file in windows
[07:37] <wolfwalker> My linux computer is not online
[07:37] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card (LAN, not W-LAN) to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:37] <tom_biggy> hello folks!!!
[07:37] <wolfwalker> Yes, I downloaded the .deb file for Audacity
[07:37] <wolfwalker> My internet computer is Windows, yes
[07:37] <wolfwalker> Took the .deb file to my Kubuntu computer
[07:38] <stdin> wolfwalker: use "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"  where "package.deb" is the filename of the file you downloaded
[07:38] <tom_biggy> could you help me?
[07:38] <chavo> wolfwalker, it's probably missing some dependencies
[07:38] <tom_biggy> i upgraded to KDE 3.5.5
[07:38] <tom_biggy> and i can hardly mount cd and usb stick
[07:38] <tom_biggy> :(
[07:38] <tom_biggy> i did the upgrade from the repo shown on www.kubuntu.org
[07:38] <chavo> I just did apt-get install audacity and it installed libwxgtk2.4-1 also
[07:39] <stdin> wolfwalker: I think you can use "sudo apt-get --print-uris -f install" to get a list of the dependencies it needs, then sownload them, and install the same way
[07:39] <tom_biggy> so can anybody can help me?
[07:39] <wolfwalker> ...........
[07:39] <tom_biggy> what should i do?
[07:40] <Agent_bob> wolfwalker audacity depends on  " audacity libflac++5c2 libid3tag0 libsndfile1 libwxgtk2.4-1  "  plus xorg
[07:40] <wolfwalker> Okay, what if I just drag that computer down here, turn off this computer, plug my modem to the Kubuntu computer, reboot my DSL modem, turn on the Kubuntu computer and try to access the internet.
[07:40] <tom_biggy> :-(
[07:40] <wolfwalker> Will I get online?
[07:40] <tom_biggy> hey!
[07:40] <n8k99> amigrave ping
[07:41] <tom_biggy> why dontchoo answer?
[07:41] <amigrave> n8k99: when using konquror in file management view I associate images to kuickview (now I have to search another one) but when I use konqueror as a browser (web view) and I cliack on a link which leads to an image, I want the image to be displayed in konqueror like other browser, I don't want kuickview or whatever to be embeded in konqueror (see what I mean ?) It's a kde related question, but as you seems to use konqueror for i
[07:41] <hak5fan> All (known) bugs in my kubuntu installation is now fixed
[07:41] <Agent_bob> wolfwalker likely  but no promiceses
[07:41] <hak5fan> I'm happy :D
[07:41] <wolfwalker> lol
[07:41] <wolfwalker> Have there ever been any promises about that?
[07:41] <wolfwalker> lol
[07:41] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card (LAN, not W-LAN) to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:41] <Agent_bob> only a few.
[07:41] <tom_biggy> why i can't automount anything after upgrading to kde 3.5.5?
[07:41] <wolfwalker> At least my IP's tech support is top notch
[07:41] <tom_biggy> ???
[07:42] <n8k99> amigrave: can you rephrase that into a question, please?
[07:42] <tom_biggy> ?????????????,,
[07:42] <tom_biggy> guys!
[07:43] <bubu1uk> tom_biggy: u can if u setup it in /etc/fstab
[07:43] <tom_biggy> ?
[07:43] <stdin> bubu1uk: you don't put removable devices in fstab, as the device location may change
[07:43] <tom_biggy> my etc fstab is ok, this problem appears ONLY AFTER UPGRADING to kde 3.5.5
[07:44] <n8k99> amigrave: what behavior do you want as a file manager?
[07:44] <amigrave> n8k99: see last phrase of the post : So finally, the quesion is : is it possible to have different association type for the different konqueror views.
[07:44] <Agent_bob> now i have a strange anomily   i removed getty from running on tty1  and now it seems that one can type into tty1 and the commands are stored until an openvt -fc 1  command is issued elsewhere then they are executed.      any one know anything about the kernel and console input ?
[07:44] <bubu1uk> ah, i didnt know whe speaks bout removable. ;)
[07:44] <bubu1uk> came here later. sorry. :p
[07:45] <tom_biggy> :@
[07:45] <n8k99> hmmm... amigrave: I have seen that there are differenet service menus for konqueror that allow you to alter your behaviors in lots of ways
[07:45] <tom_biggy> thank you for help
[07:45] <amigrave> n8k99: in my case, I would like that when I click on an image in file management view, the image is opened in an external viewer, but in web view it should be konqueror embeded
[07:45] <tom_biggy> i'd better get back to windows xp
[07:45] <n8k99> one sec amigrave
[07:45] <tobi__> tom_biggy: Take me with you , please
[07:45] <tom_biggy> ok
[07:46] <tobi__> A friend told me it will get better after a few weeks
[07:46] <tom_biggy> hmmm
[07:46] <tom_biggy> but how can i solve this fscking problem???
[07:46] <tom_biggy> it drives me mad!!!!!
[07:46] <tom_biggy> and i can't downgrade kde
[07:46] <wolfwalker> fscking?
[07:47] <tom_biggy> yes i don't want to swear
[07:47] <tom_biggy> ;)
[07:47] <amigrave> n8k99: but if you have never be confronted to this problem, you won't see what I mean. It's just one of the thing that annoys me and for what I use firefox instead of konqueror. But as konqueror is faster than firefox, if one day I found a solution to those problems, I'll switch again. Anyway, I don't want to loose your time more, you've helped me enough, so don't bother about this
[07:47] <wolfwalker> Firefox rocks!
[07:47] <wolfwalker> There's a reason it's slower
[07:47] <wolfwalker> It does the job better
[07:48] <n8k99> amigrave: I'm confused - you want file manager to open local files in image viewer, but not embedded in konqi - while retaining the embedded viewer for web based images?
[07:49] <n8k99> then turn off file previews under Settings > Configure Konqueror > File Manager behavior
[07:50] <rolando> hola
[07:50] <rolando> i have a problem with my xorg.conf i have several Device secions and Monitor too
[07:50] <tobi__> tom_biggy: why downgrade?
[07:50] <rolando> how can i know which is the right one?
[07:51] <amigrave> n8k99: yes exactly ! In fact, I can't stand the mix between filemanagement and webbrowsing. This is why I don't like windows's explorer, and in fact konqueror does the same. This is the only thing I don't like in kde
[07:52] <BluesKaj> it could be cuz your dhcp connection is using ipv6 , there's a fix for speeding up FF and konq by changing the settings to IPv4.
[07:52] <n8k99> amigrave:haha! that's exactly what I love about kde!!
[07:52] <rolando> or having several Device,monitor,screen,.. sections in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is normal?
[07:52] <BluesKaj> the fix is here : http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed
[07:53] <tom_biggy> because it doesn't work!!!!
[07:53] <tom_biggy> and i can't solve theproblem!!!
[07:55] <amigrave> n8k99: well I guess that most people want it like this, otherwise kde devs won't do this.  But I think they should let the oprtunity of "others" to do as they want. For me, local file management is one thing and web browsing is another thing.
[07:55] <n8k99> amigrave: you can use dolphin file manager
[07:55] <wolfwalker> Stupid irc didn't log it
[07:55] <wolfwalker> Okay, one more time. Would whoever told me what to type tell me again?
[07:55] <wolfwalker> I have Kubuntu on a non-internet computer
[07:55] <wolfwalker> I have downloaded Audacity as a .deb file
[07:56] <wolfwalker> What do I now do with the .deb file to install it?
[07:56] <amigrave> n8k99: dolphin file management ? Going to goole this. In fact I spent more of my time in a shell. But for file management, when I don't use mc I use krusader.
[07:57] <n8k99> amigrave: dolphin is an alternate file manager for kde
[07:57] <n8k99> it should be in the repos
[07:57] <tamacracka> Hey guys?
[07:58] <mefisto__> does anyone know anything about moto4lin?
[07:58] <wolfwalker> 'Allo tama
[07:58] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/nicotine+-1.2.6.tar.bz2  <- how do install that file
[07:58] <tamacracka> i need to upgrade my nicotine.
[07:58] <n8k99> smoke more
[07:58] <n8k99> ;-)
[07:58] <eihnat> would suggest so. lol
[07:58] <e1> hello
[07:58] <wolfwalker> ..........
[07:58] <eihnat> + some canabis. :p
[07:58] <stdin> wolfwalker: easy way to get all the dependencies is to run (from kubuntu) "sudo apt-get --print-uris install audacity" that will print the files you need to get, then (when you d/l them and transfir them to /var/cache/apt/archives) you can just install with "sudo apt-get install audacity"
[07:59] <wolfwalker> Transfer them to what?
[07:59] <wolfwalker> How do you get them from the desktop to the /var/cache/apt/archives?
[07:59] <stdin> wolfwalker: to that directory on the linux machine
[07:59] <tamacracka> How do I install a tar.bz2 file?
[07:59] <Minataku> stdin: When I saw this pic I thought of you XD >> http://data.furaffinity.net/yolin/1161544597.yolin_chain_headshot.jpg
[08:00] <tobi__> tamacracka: is it a tar.gz ?
[08:00] <eihnat> tamacracka: u unpack it and then read README
[08:00] <stdin> tobi__: it's a tar.bz2
[08:00] <tamacracka> yeah stdin
[08:00] <stdin> Minataku: nice, but why ?
[08:00] <tamacracka> ok gonna extrct
[08:00] <tamacracka> extract*
[08:00] <Minataku> stdin: The coffee
[08:00] <Minataku> lol
[08:00] <Minataku> I thought of genii, too, but he's not here right now
[08:00] <Minataku> XD
[08:00] <Minataku> You two seem to like coffee X3
[08:01] <n8k99> coffee!?!
[08:01] <stdin> Minataku: aah, yes, the coffee :)
[08:01] <stdin> Minataku: you're making me get a craving now :P
[08:01] <Minataku> lol
[08:01] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[08:01] <mefisto__> does anyone know anything about the moto4lin program?
[08:01] <tobi__> tamacracka: extract it and use your paketmanager!
[08:01] <wolfwalker> stdin: How do you get the files to that directory? I'm used to M$'s Windows Explorer and I'm a fish out of water on linux
[08:01] <tamacracka> my packetmanager?
[08:01] <tamacracka> adept manager?
[08:02] <stdin> wolfwalker: how are you getting the audacity deb to linux?
[08:02] <wolfwalker> And btw, this time I'm saving this to Notepad so I don't have to ask you again
[08:02] <tobi__> adept package ....
[08:02] <tobi__> yes
[08:02] <wolfwalker> stdin: flash drive
[08:02] <Minataku> n8k99: Indeed, coffee
[08:02] <wolfwalker> This computer is a Windows
[08:02] <tamacracka> how would i use it?... hold onlet me read the readme
[08:02] <wolfwalker> I went to Audacity, downloaded the .deb file, got it to my Linux computer with a flash drive
[08:02] <wolfwalker> Put the file on my desktoy
[08:02] <wolfwalker> And.................. now what?
[08:03] <wolfwalker> desktop*
[08:03] <Minataku> n8k99: :o
[08:03] <eihnat> wolfwalker: have u tried dpkg command as i told u before?
[08:03] <stdin> wolfwalker: on the linux machine, mount the flash drive, then use "kdesu konqueror" and use it to copy and paste the files to /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:03] <Minataku> n8k99: The topic of coffe came up via this pic I found :: http://data.furaffinity.net/yolin/1161544597.yolin_chain_headshot.jpg
[08:03] <Minataku> lol
[08:03] <Minataku> *coffee
[08:03] <tobi__> i really don't know where to extract the files, but i think you might use the adept...
[08:03] <wolfwalker> Mount?
[08:04] <wolfwalker> And no eihnat, I came back to this computer to check my chat logs to get the command.......... and it didn't log it
[08:04] <wolfwalker> So I'm back here asking again
[08:04] <wolfwalker> And this time, I'm copying to notepad
[08:04] <tamacracka> run ./nicotine ?
[08:05] <stdin> wolfwalker: it dose it for you, when you plug in the flash drive, and it asks you what to do with it
[08:05] <wolfwalker> eihnat: So if you would repeat that dpkg command?
[08:05] <jkgruet> I've been having intermittent problems ripping CDs with kubuntu/edgy KAudioCreator & lame.  Sometimes it works fine, but other times it either (1) hangs or (2) gives an error message about an unrecognized genre.  Any idea on were to go for help?
[08:05] <wolfwalker> Ahhh
[08:05] <wolfwalker> Thanks stdin
[08:05] <n8k99> Minataku:nice
[08:05] <stdin> np :)
[08:05] <eihnat> was bubu1uk before. somehow lost connection and bubu1uk sits here. cant change nick. lol
[08:05] <wolfwalker> So eihnat, what was that dpkg command again?
[08:05] <Minataku> n8k99: Yeah :3
[08:06] <stdin> eihnat: that's why you register your nick, you can kick the "ghost" off
[08:06] <eihnat> dpkg -i packagename.deb i think.
[08:06] <ashish> hello..can ne1 pls tell me, how to install anjuta on kubuntu
[08:06] <eihnat> stdin: ok. how. cuz am registered.
[08:06] <stdin> wolfwalker: use sudo before it
[08:06] <wolfwalker> sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb?
[08:06] <eihnat> wolfwalker: yes
[08:06] <wolfwalker> With packagename the full package name?
[08:07] <eihnat> yes
[08:07] <stdin> eihnat: /msg NickServ RECOVER NickName Password
[08:07] <stdin> eihnat: then /msg NickServ RELEASE NickName Password
[08:07] <ashish> hello..can anyone pls tell me, how to install anjuta on kubuntu
[08:07] <stdin> eihnat: /nick NickName
[08:07] <ashish> helllo
[08:07] <tamacracka> python setup.py install --prefix=<dir>?
[08:08] <wolfwalker> So the full command would be sudo dpkg -i audacity_1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:08] <bubu1uk> test
[08:08] <stdin> wolfwalker: that's right
[08:08] <wolfwalker> I TRIED that!
[08:08] <stdin> bubu1uk: well done :)
[08:08] <wolfwalker> It just didn't do anything
[08:08] <ashish> i get an error
[08:08] <bubu1uk> ah, ok. thanx stdin. am not really familiar with irc. lol
[08:08] <tamacracka> do i need to type this, to install the updated nicontine: python setup.py install --prefix=<dir>
[08:08] <wolfwalker> Although I don't know linux worth squat, I do know a bit about IRC
[08:08] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: no error output?
[08:08] <stdin> bubu1uk: '/msg NickServ help' is a good place to start :)
[08:08] <wolfwalker> What's the question?
[08:09] <ashish> hello..can anyone pls tell me, how to install anjuta on kubuntu
[08:09] <asaf> use package maneger
[08:09] <tamacracka> how?!
[08:09] <tamacracka> what do you mean ><
[08:09] <ashish> or is there ne other c/c++ compiler(leaving gcc/g++)
[08:09] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: try right-click on the deb file, then Kubuntu Package menu > Install Package
[08:09] <wolfwalker> tama, I'm in the same boat
[08:09] <tamacracka> package manager doesnt see the file.
[08:09] <ashish> k..
[08:09] <casev01> hi
[08:10] <tamacracka> i have the file on my desktop
[08:10] <wolfwalker> Well I'm off to try this
[08:10] <wolfwalker> Again
[08:10] <casev01> someone know a good howto of apt-build?
[08:10] <wolfwalker> And maybe get it right this time
[08:10] <wolfwalker> Thanks for the help folks
[08:10] <wolfwalker> I'll be back with more annoying newbie questions later
[08:10] <wolfwalker> :/
[08:10] <ashish> i am waiting
[08:10] <tamacracka> screw it im goin with: python setup.py install --prefix=/home/tamacracker/.nicotine
[08:10] <n8k99> ashish cmake
[08:11] <ashish> yes
[08:11] <stdin> ashish: enable universe then install it with adept, you can also use kdevelop (the KDE version)
[08:11] <tamacracka> where are all the old skool people at :(
[08:11] <tamacracka> they're were quick and helpful
[08:11] <Edulix> hi
[08:11] <stdin> tamacracka: what are you trying to install ?
[08:12] <tamacracka> nicotine.. i downloaded a tarball file
[08:12] <Edulix> how can I configure konqueror (the filemanager) to use the tree view by default?
[08:12] <stdin> tamacracka: and you don't want the one from ubuntu why?
[08:12] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6.tar.bz2
[08:12] <tamacracka> what do you mean i dont want one from ubuntu?!?!
[08:13] <tamacracka> the one in adept
[08:13] <tamacracka> is old.
[08:13] <tamacracka> very old.
[08:13] <tamacracka> no longer works.
[08:13] <dave_s> Edulix you should be able to do it by setting up konqueror as you want it to appear
[08:13] <Edulix> dave_s: how exactly?
[08:13] <mefisto__> Edulix: in konq, go to Settings, File Associations, inode, directory
[08:13] <tamacracka> the one from the adept manager is no longer working... it's not supported.
[08:13] <Edulix> I can change the view, but it doesn't get saved
[08:13] <Edulix> ok
[08:14] <dave_s> So you can get the tree view to appera Edulix?
[08:14] <stdin> tamacracka: so what's in the downloaded file ?
[08:14] <bubu1uk> tar.bz2
[08:14] <Edulix> dave_s: of course, but not by default
[08:14] <Edulix> mefisto__: I'll try that
[08:14] <mefisto__> Edulix:
[08:14] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6/doc
[08:14] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6/files
[08:14] <tamacracka> file:///home/tamacracker/Desktop/Wutang/nicotine+-1.2.6/img
[08:14] <stdin> tamacracka: use pastebin
[08:14] <mefisto__> Edulix: then the Embedding tab, and move the default view you want to the top of the list
[08:15] <tamacracka> ... i would have to give you a screen shot.
[08:15] <tamacracka> there's a lot of folders
[08:15] <tamacracka> and seperate files
[08:15] <Edulix> mefisto__: thanks
[08:15] <firecrotch> Okay, I know that this question belongs on #ubuntu-server, but no one there is active... How can I set up FTP on my ubuntu server?
[08:15] <stdin> tamacracka: better still then, give me a link to download it, then I can see :)
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> !ftp | firecrotch
[08:15] <ubotu> firecrotch: FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[08:15] <tamacracka> ok!
[08:15] <dave_s> Edulix, you need to save the configuration go to settings --> save view profile
[08:15] <Edulix> tree mode rocks ;)
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that mayh help...
[08:15] <firecrotch> Okay, so I have to install ftpd first, gotcha
[08:16] <mace`> i ve problems to play mp3 files with amaroK. The songs dont start to play, there's just displayed the text for about half a secound. Any suggestions?
[08:16] <Edulix> dave_s: mefisto__ way already worked thanks anyway :)
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> rescan your collection
[08:16] <stdin> mace`: did you install mp3 support?
[08:16] <tamacracka> http://thegraveyard.org/daelstorm/nicotine-plus.php
[08:16] <tamacracka> ^ stdin
[08:16] <mace`> stdin: mh, ok i have to?
[08:16] <bubu1uk> firecrotch: choose which ftp server u want to install. one of those
[08:16] <stdin> mace`: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[08:16] <n8k99> mace you need to setup mp3 support
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracode
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> in a konsole
[08:17] <TheGateKeeper> mace`, yes install libxine-extracodecs & make sure amarok is using the xine engine
[08:17] <wolfwalker> Okay, so I entered sudo dpkg -i audacity_1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:17] <mace`> thanks stdin
[08:17] <firecrotch> Okay, installed ftpd, but I get errors: grep: /etc/inetd.conf: No such file or directory
[08:17] <firecrotch> grep: /etc/inetd.conf: No such file or directory
[08:17] <wolfwalker> It said there was no such file
[08:17] <wolfwalker> The file is on the desktop
[08:17] <mace`> TheGateKeeper:  ok thanks
[08:17] <TheGateKeeper> yw:-)
[08:17] <firecrotch> wolfwalker: are you at the desktop?
[08:17] <firecrotch> cd ~/Desktop
[08:17] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: try right-click on the deb file, then Kubuntu Package menu > Install Package
[08:17] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: sudo dpkg -i /home/username/Desktop/audacity_1.2.3b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:18] <wolfwalker> Well, my Kubuntu computer is upstairs, but yes, the file I'm trying to install it and the file is on the desktop
[08:18] <bubu1uk> or do what mefisto__ told u.
[08:18] <tamacracka> there's a debian version but im on edgy.
[08:18] <tamacracka> dunno if that makes a difference.
[08:19] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: then download debian version
[08:19] <wolfwalker> Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush
[08:19] <tamacracka> will it be compatible with edgy?... i could just download it through konsole.
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracka: what do you want to install?
[08:20] <stdin> tamacracka: "sudo python setup.py install" should work
[08:20] <tamacracka> nicontine's latest updated program
[08:20] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> oh latest, not sure
[08:20] <tamacracka> do i need to cd onto that directory?
[08:20] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: ubuntu is debian based, so deb should work.
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> wherever the deb is installed
[08:21] <tamacracka> sudo su -c 'echo "deb http://www.nicotine-plus.org/debian branch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:21] <tamacracka> sudo aptitude update
[08:21] <tamacracka> sudo aptitude install nicotine
[08:21] <tamacracka> ack >
[08:21] <tamacracka> ><
[08:21] <tamacracka> sorry
[08:21] <stdin> tamacracka: ahh, there is a repo?
[08:21] <tamacracka> debian version
[08:22] <tamacracka> i thought debian was different than egy >.>
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> there is an unofficial repo, but it should work
[08:22] <tamacracka> edgy
[08:22] <bubu1uk> edgy is just codename for ubuntu distro
[08:23] <firecrotch> I assume that now that I have ftpd installed, I have to set up an FTP user using useradd? Anything I have to be aware of?
[08:23] <stdin> tamacracka: you want to add "deb http://www.nicotine-plus.org/debian sarge main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> no, it's a code for a *release*
[08:23] <rich__> hi
[08:23] <tamacracka> stdin what's the script again to open up the sources.list?
[08:24] <stdin> tamacracka: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:24] <bubu1uk> well, that's what i wanted to say. not good talkin to too many ppl bout too many different things. u get lost in context. lol
[08:24] <rich__> is it possible to use my mic
[08:24] <wolfwalker> Okay, NOW I got the dependency list
[08:24] <rich__> is it possible to use my mic
[08:24] <tobi__> stdin: i found a package to install the lame enc for my KAudioCreator, after extract there is a Debain folder with a lot of files, any idea what i shall do to get the package installed?
[08:24] <wolfwalker> So now where do I go to get all these lovely packages I need to install?
[08:24] <tobias_> hey does anyone have experiences with warsow on kubuntu ?
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> adept >> wolfwalker...maybe
[08:25] <wolfwalker> My Kubuntu computer is not online
[08:25] <stdin> tobi__: is it source code?
[08:25] <rich__> hey
[08:25] <rich__> hey
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> you can't install offline, unless you use the CD
[08:25] <rich__> is it possible to use my mic in here
[08:25] <phobiac> Is there anything for kubuntu that can create a multi-boot cd?
[08:25] <tamacracka> branch?!?!
[08:25] <tobias_> no i think there is something like executables
[08:26] <tamacracka> i mean
[08:26] <tamacracka> sarge?
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> rich__: yes
[08:26] <tamacracka> isn't branch?
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> phobiac: multi-boot?
[08:26] <BluesKaj> wolfwalker, what sort of connection are you trying to establish , dhcp with a dsl modem or router ?
[08:26] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u'll have to search for them. but dont forget to check proper versions.
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracka: you can use sarge repos in ubuntu
[08:26] <stdin> tamacracka: you are supposed to replace "branch" with your distro, just use sarge tho
[08:26] <tamacracka> oh ok
[08:27] <tamacracka> then sudo apt-get nicotine yes?
[08:27] <phobiac> Admiral_Chicago: Where you burn more then one .iso to a CD or DVD but it has something not unlike a bootloader that allows you to decide which .iso to run.
[08:27] <stdin> tamacracka: yeah
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> phobiac: oh i see, i'm not sure
[08:27] <tamacracka> i dont think it's installing the right one.
[08:27] <wolfwalker> How many versions are there, and how do I know I'm getting the correct one?
[08:28] <stdin> tamacracka: have you updated the package list yet?
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> tamacracka: it will install the latest one
[08:28] <tamacracka> i just opened the nicotine
[08:28] <tamacracka> and it's still 1.2.4
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get update
[08:29] <tamacracka> yeah doin it right now :P
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-cache show nicotine
[08:29] <BluesKaj> !nicotine
[08:29] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> it'll be >1.2.4. i think
[08:29] <tamacracka> oh for edgy it's 1.2.4
[08:29] <tamacracka> ok ok
[08:29] <stdin> it'll be  1.2.6
[08:29] <tamacracka> so 1.2.6 isn't for edgy then
[08:30] <stdin> no, 1.2.6 it the one in the repo you put in
[08:30] <tamacracka> i know ><
[08:30] <tamacracka> but i still have 1.2.4
[08:30] <tamacracka> could it be because it's downloading the edgy file
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the default it will update it
[08:30] <brett__> the sound stopped working on the videos on webpages. It still works in my games. Can someone help me troubleshoot it?
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> apt-cache show nicotine says what version?!?
[08:30] <stdin> tamacracka: did you run "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[08:30] <tamacracka> oh no...
[08:31] <tamacracka> hold on
[08:31] <wolfwalker> Okay, when I save a simple text file to this flash drive from my kubuntu computer, my XP computer won't read it from the flash drive
[08:31] <wolfwalker> It considers the drive empty
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> wolfwalker: does it have an extension.
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> like .txt
[08:32] <wolfwalker> .txt
[08:32] <wolfwalker> Yes
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, okay. it may not be saving properly
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure how to help on that
[08:32] <phobiac>  Do you have view hidden files and folders enabled in the windows computer?
[08:32] <tobi__> i found a package to install the lame enc for my KAudioCreator, after extract there is a Debain folder with a lot of files, any idea what i shall do to get the package installed? PLease help me ...
[08:34] <ravermeister>  hello can anybody tell me where i can find the Storage media.desktop in my filesystem?
[08:34] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Do you have view hidden files and folders enabled on the windows computer?
[08:34] <wolfwalker> Yup
[08:34] <wolfwalker> And besides, why would a text file be hidden?
[08:34] <ravermeister> its the one you can see when you open konqueror with system:/
[08:35] <wolfwalker> But yeah, I toggled all hidden files visible
[08:35] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Just a guess
[08:35] <boggystudios_> would a broadcom wireless card keep a kubuntu install disc from loading?
[08:35] <wolfwalker> Format for this flash drive is FAT32
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> ravermeister: /media
[08:35] <wolfwalker> Kubuntu should be able to write to that.......... yes?
[08:35] <ravermeister> no
[08:35] <stdin> tobi__: if it's source code then you need to install "build-essential" first, then run (from the source dir) "sudo debian/rules binary" that should make a .deb file
[08:35] <phobiac> Yes it should
[08:35] <ravermeister> thats the location where it points to
[08:36] <mario> hola! algun canal en espaol?
[08:36] <ravermeister> its a link, a .desktop file from kde
[08:36] <wolfwalker> It sure can read from it
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | mario
[08:36] <ubotu> mario: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:36] <ravermeister> and it points since kde3.5 to /media
[08:36] <ravermeister> i want to edit it to media:/
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> og you want media://
[08:36] <ravermeister> but i can't find the .desktop file
[08:36] <wolfwalker> lol
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> in Konqueror I think
[08:36] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Are you removing the drive safely?
[08:37] <mario> :) tanks
[08:37] <wolfwalker> Define safely
[08:37] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: remove safely.
[08:37] <phobiac> When you have something mounted in kubuntu, if you right click on it's icon on the desktop you have the option to safely remove or something similar.
[08:37] <wolfwalker> How do you do that? I'm used to Windows hotplugables, just take it out when it's through writing the file
[08:37] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: a.k.a. umount it first. (right click on drive icon and choose safe remove)
[08:38] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u should do that on win machine too
[08:38] <phobiac> Yeah you should
[08:38] <wolfwalker> I'm just used to taking the drive out
[08:38] <wolfwalker> I don't know anything about removing it safely
[08:38] <phobiac> It prevents issues with something using the drive while you take it out.
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Yeah, I wait until the light on the flash drive stops strobing
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Indicating it is done writing to the flash drive
[08:39] <phobiac> Okay, well now you do know. Try it out and see if it works.
[08:39] <ravermeister> hmm im searching thrugh /usr/share
[08:39] <ravermeister> but cant find anythinh
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Did I ever mention how much of a linux newb I am?
[08:39] <wolfwalker> Going back to try again...........
[08:39] <I-04> hey guys, how do i "lock" a package in Adept? meaning, prevent it from updating to a newer version?
[08:39] <phobiac> wolfwalker: It's okay. You should be doing it in windows too however.
[08:40] <stdin> I-04: you can't in adept
[08:40] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: but that means u'r new to windows too. lol
[08:40] <I-04> stdin: is there any other way?
[08:40] <I-04> stdin: i know there's aptitude hold
[08:40] <I-04> but adept still tried to update
[08:40] <I-04> or tries, rather
[08:41] <stdin> I-04: adept usually ignores aptitude
[08:41] <I-04> yeah, it seems so
[08:41] <stdin> I-04: I know you can do it in synaptic, but not adept
[08:41] <I-04> is there any other solution?
[08:41] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:41] <tamacracka> it didn't upgrage ><
[08:41] <I-04> yes, synaptic locks it
[08:41] <tamacracka> maybe it's not meant to update cuz im on edgy?
[08:41] <stdin> I-04: use synaptic, that's what I use
[08:42] <I-04> but im kind of migrating to kde now
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> ravermeister: what are you tying to do
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> please tell me in detail
[08:42] <wolfwalker> No, I'm NOT new to Windows
[08:42] <I-04> stdin:  wasnt gonna mix anything gnome-related to kde. is there any other way?
[08:42] <I-04> i wasn't*
[08:43] <tamacracka> oh wait.. adept says it's upgradable now
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Anyway
[08:43] <wolfwalker> This is what I got when I tried to install Audacity
[08:43] <ravermeister> thx have done it, it is in /usr/share/apps/systemview/
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Selecting previously deselected package audacity.
[08:43] <wolfwalker> (Reading database ... 79110 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Unpacking audacity (from .../audacity_1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[08:43] <wolfwalker> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of audacity:
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity depends on libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b); however:
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Package libid3tag0 is not installed.
[08:43] <ravermeister> and then media.desktop
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity depends on libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b); however:
[08:43] <stdin> I-04: nope, not that I know of, you could ask in KDE if there is a way
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Package libmad0 is not installed.
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity depends on libwxgtk2.4-1 (>= 2.4.4.1.1ubuntu2); however:
[08:43] <ravermeister> i want to change the link
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Package libwxgtk2.4-1 is not installed.
[08:43] <wolfwalker> dpkg: error processing audacity (--install):
[08:43] <wolfwalker> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:43] <ravermeister> from /media to media:/
[08:43] <ravermeister> :)
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:43] <wolfwalker> audacity
[08:43] <Lynoure> !pastebin | wolfwalker
[08:43] <ubotu> wolfwalker: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ravermeister: which link?
[08:43] <I-04> actually, is it safe to remove adept, and just aptitude?'
[08:43] <wolfwalker> Pastebin?
[08:43] <wolfwalker> That's a good idea, actually
[08:43] <tamacracka> ack... when trying to apply upgrades i get this error: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[08:44] <marco1> zougadeath
[08:44] <ravermeister> this one --> usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop
[08:44] <ravermeister> this one --> /usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop
[08:44] <stdin> I-04: depends what you mean by safe :P, but you can use aptitude if you want, without removing adept
[08:44] <ravermeister> if you open it with an editor yu can change the link value
[08:44] <I-04> stdin: that annoying tray icon pops up all the time, telling me there's an update :\
[08:45] <wolfwalker> So where do I look for these dependency files?
[08:45] <ravermeister> and then when you type system:/ and click on the .desktop file it gets to the new link value
[08:45] <I-04> stdin: my problem is, i compiled gaim 2.0beta5 from source, but adept thinks the repo version (1.5) is newer
[08:45] <wolfwalker> Like libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b)
[08:45] <wolfwalker> Where do I find these?
[08:45] <stdin> I-04: you can ask in #kde if adept will listen to something, it may listen to dselect
[08:45] <I-04> stdin: thanks, i will do that
[08:45] <stdin> I-04: why don't you just make a deb from the source?
[08:46] <kimmern> Hey! My machine has two partitions..i've installed kubuntu on one of them, but how do i get to see the content on the other one?
[08:46] <phobiac> kimmern: Mount the partition
[08:46] <stdin> I-04: I use "checkinstall" to make debs from source, then adept (or whatever) won't try to upgrade it
[08:47] <stdin> I-04: or you can remove gaim with adept, then install from source again
[08:47] <I-04> stdin: thats what i did, actually
[08:47] <wolfwalker> Oh by the way, unmounting the flash drive resolved my (stupid, idiot-spawned) problem
[08:47] <wolfwalker> I TOLD you I'm a newb :P
[08:48] <phobiac> wolfwalker: As long as it's working now :P
[08:48] <wolfwalker> So where do I find these dependency files?
[08:48] <wolfwalker> Google was no help
[08:48] <I-04> stdin: i installed dapper, then compiled gaim
[08:48] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:48] <I-04> stdin: you might be using edgy
[08:48] <phobiac> wolfwalker: What are you using to download audacity?
[08:48] <tamacracka> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1594/ <- when you have a chance
[08:48] <kimmern> phobiac: and excactly what do i type?
[08:49] <wolfwalker> What OS? Windows XP. Downloaded it as a .deb file and transfered it to my Kubuntu computer with the flash drive
[08:49] <stdin> I-04: it doesn't matter, you can specify the version number with checkinstall, then adept won't try to upgrade
[08:49] <phobiac> kimmern: Do you know the paritions location? Like hda1 or something?
[08:49] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Wait, there's a command in apt-get for this.
[08:50] <wolfwalker> My Kubuntu computer is not online
[08:50] <wolfwalker> So apt-get would not be of any help
[08:50] <wolfwalker> I think.............
[08:50] <stdin> tamacracka: what version of kubuntu are you using ?
[08:50] <phobiac> You'll need to be online to get those dependencies unless you want to install them manually.
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Yesh
[08:51] <phobiac> Which would be time consuming.
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Install manually
[08:51] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:51] <sorush20> is there an automatic background changer anywhere ?
[08:51] <tamacracka> i think i got it
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Better than hauling the computer and all its junk downstairs and reorienting the internet connection
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Right?
[08:51] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Probably not
[08:51] <wolfwalker> .......
[08:51] <wolfwalker> Okay
[08:51] <tamacracka> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1597/
[08:51] <tamacracka> is everything lookin right?
[08:52] <stdin> sorush20: System Settings -> Desktop -> Slideshow
[08:52] <tamacracka> from 1.2.4. to 1.2.6
[08:52] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Hold on
[08:52] <wolfwalker> So I take the computer, monitor, mouse and keyboard downstairs, shut down this Windows computer, switch the modem to my Kubuntu computer, reinitialize the modem, turn the computer on
[08:52] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: get a longer cable
[08:52] <stdin> tamacracka: try it
[08:52] <wolfwalker> So now where do I go, Adept?
[08:52] <tamacracka> ok
[08:53] <dope> is there a bittorent client that's all comandline?
[08:53] <wolfwalker> mefisto: I'd have to get a router too, unless I just keep switching cables out
[08:53] <spitwise> btdownloadcurses
[08:53] <phobiac> wolfwalker: There's about 15 or so depencies, which could be dependent on other things. You could end up working for a few hours if you wanted to do it manually.
[08:53] <phobiac> dependcies*
[08:53] <spitwise> bittornado i think is the package name dope
[08:53] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: u can just switch cables if u dont want to be online with linux.
[08:53] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: I mean as an alternative to hauling everything downstairs
[08:54] <wolfwalker> Ah
[08:54] <tamacracka> ::crosses fingers::
[08:54] <bubu1uk> wolfwalker: just to update/install stuff and then unplug.
[08:54] <wolfwalker> That would be a mightly looooooooooong cable
[08:54] <dope> ah ok coo coo and is there anything that works as well as peerguardian2 but for linux?
[08:54] <tamacracka> wooooooooot
[08:54] <tamacracka> stdin
[08:54] <tamacracka> thank you again my friend :P
[08:54] <spitwise> i dunno that app
[08:54] <wolfwalker> So I take the computer, monitor, mouse and keyboard downstairs, shut down this Windows computer, switch the modem to my Kubuntu computer, reinitialize the modem, turn the computer on
[08:54] <stdin> dope: yeah, it's rtorrent (that's only one of them)
[08:54] <wolfwalker> So now I'm online on my Kub computer
[08:54] <wolfwalker> So now what?
[08:54] <wolfwalker> Objective is to install Audacity
[08:55] <phobiac> wolfwalker: Open up adept, type audacity in, and install the package.
[08:55] <wolfwalker> ..................
[08:55] <wolfwalker> Just like that?
[08:55] <phobiac> Yes
[08:55] <wolfwalker> ...............
[08:55] <wolfwalker> .............................................
[08:55] <phobiac> You might need to enable your repositories first
[08:55] <phobiac> wolfwalker: If you don't understand something ask, don't spam with dots.
[08:55] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: installing stuff is normally very easy in kubuntu
[08:56] <wolfwalker> Where can you get a really, really, REALLY long usb cable?
[08:56] <e1> hi i'm trying to install wine with budgetdedicated.com repo, it said i need key, where do i get this key from, google didn't help
[08:57] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: a long usb cable probably won't work for your modem
[08:57] <wolfwalker> Data flow conflicts?
[08:57] <wolfwalker> How long can it be?
[08:57] <phobiac> wolfwalker: What about just switching the haddrives?
[08:57] <sorush20> how do I stop that silly download pupon when I use konqueror
[08:57] <wolfwalker> Switching the hard drives?
[08:58] <Yeti_69> !french
[08:58] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:58] <wolfwalker> Surely you jest. I don't even know how to install ram
[08:58] <stdin> I-04: so adept can't do it
[08:58] <phobiac> Yeah, take the one from the upstairs computer and put it in the downstairs one.
[08:58] <I-04> stdin: yeah, he could have said that in the first place.
[08:59] <stdin> I-04: use checkinstall to make a deb, and make the version higher than the one adept wants to install
[08:59] <wolfwalker> I'll just haul the computer downstairs to the modem tomorrow sometime and go shopping for programs
[08:59] <stdin> I-04: then adept will stop bi**hing about it :P
[08:59] <I-04> stdin: thats the thing. the version i have installed IS higher
[08:59] <mefisto__> phobiac: he would need more than just the harddrive
[08:59] <wolfwalker> While I'm hauling it, any suggestions for really good audio-nut programs?
[08:59] <I-04> the repo version is gaim 1.5, the compiled one is 2.0 beta 5
[08:59] <stdin> I-04: make the version for the deb, not the actual source version
[09:00] <I-04> stdin, how do i do that?
[09:00] <sorush20> I want to stop the progress dialogue in konqueror when it downloads something.. is there any way that I could do this/
[09:00] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: ardour
[09:00] <wolfwalker> And it does what?
[09:00] <stdin> I-04: in the source tree do "sudo checkinstall"
[09:00] <I-04> right
[09:01] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: multitrack recording
[09:01] <waylandbill> I-04. The other way is to install the program with apt-get and then get the source and install it so it overwrites the files. Problem solved.
[09:01] <boggystudios_> ardour.org
[09:01] <I-04> stdin: is there a way to automate the process
[09:01] <wolfwalker> mefisto__: Better than Audacity?
[09:01] <unclemike> ? isent /hda5 supose to be ext3 /..6.10 is showing it /dev /hda5 ? /      UUID=adc ext3 /
[09:01] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: yes, but not as simple of course
[09:01] <I-04> checkinstall -v or something for version
[09:01] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: have you used cubase?
[09:01] <bubu1uk> mefisto__: better than audacious?
[09:01] <wolfwalker> Well that's one reason I like Audacity
[09:01] <stdin> I-04: not really no, just press 3 to change the version to 2.0 go from there
[09:02] <wolfwalker> cubase costs
[09:02] <wolfwalker> I'm strictly freeware
[09:02] <I-04> ok
[09:02] <mefisto__> ardour is free
[09:02] <I-04> stdin: thanks
[09:02] <wolfwalker> Any other suggestions for a music twiddler?
[09:02] <wolfwalker> Audio cd burner? Format converter?
[09:02] <stdin> I-04: let me know if it works :)
[09:03] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: you should have that already
[09:03] <wolfwalker> CD ripper?
[09:03] <I-04> stdin: will do, i'll have to try it later, though. im not at my home pc at the moment
[09:03] <wolfwalker> I do?
[09:03] <wolfwalker> Oh, that
[09:03] <stdin> I-04: I'll probably be here all night :P
[09:03] <wolfwalker> Will the in-house cd burner burn without leaving (*&%*(^&@#&*($^ gaps on my concert cds?
[09:03] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: k3b for burning
[09:03] <I-04> stdin, cool heh, thanks for the help!
[09:03] <wolfwalker> Yeah, k3b. Will it burn gapless?
[09:03] <stdin> I-04: no problem
[09:04] <I-04> wolfwalker, yes it will
[09:04] <mefisto__> you mean audio gaps?
[09:04] <wolfwalker> I mean the one-tenth second to sometimes as much as two second gap that most freeware CD burn programs leave between tracks
[09:05] <I-04> wolfwalker, it's gapless by default, afaik
[09:05] <wolfwalker> As a registered, card-carrying music nut, it drives me straight up the wall
[09:05] <wolfwalker> afaik?
[09:05] <I-04> as far as i know
[09:05] <wolfwalker> Ah
[09:05] <wolfwalker> T'anks
[09:05] <extern> I always keep forgetting, what is the command for listing all file systems on my hdd?
[09:05] <bubu1uk> extern: df?
[09:06] <wolfwalker> Thanks to all
[09:06] <wolfwalker> I'll just haul the computer then
[09:06] <wolfwalker> Ciao for now
[09:06] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: this was my experience: k3b does make things gapless, but playing the cd with kaffeine, etc always has a slight pause when changing to the next track
[09:06] <extern> no, I need it to list all file systems that there are on my hdd
[09:06] <wolfwalker> I shall return shortly, with more annoying newbie questions
[09:06] <extern> there was some command with -l option to it
[09:06] <wolfwalker> Oh, testing the cd is easy. Just put it in my cd player
[09:06] <extern> the program was actually disk partitioner
[09:07] <JosefK> extern: mount | grep /dev/*d* ?
[09:07] <phobiac> extern: qtparted?
[09:07] <JosefK> fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[09:07] <extern> yes
[09:07] <extern> that's the one
[09:07] <JosefK> has to be run as root though
[09:08] <klees> i'm having problems with conky (1.4.5) where the background is black
[09:08] <klees> anyone has any ideas?
[09:08] <stdin> JosefK: depends if he's in the "disk" group
[09:08] <klees> i have own_window_transparent yes
[09:08] <JosefK> stdin: ah, didn't know that - thanks
[09:09] <mefisto__> klees: View, configure background?
[09:09] <stdin> JosefK: heh :)
[09:09] <klees> mefisto__: i don't understand
[09:09] <mefisto__> view menu
[09:09] <JosefK> stdin: although, if 'disk' has write access too, I'm guessing that's a group less than frequently used? :)
[09:10] <mefisto__> klees: are you talking about konqueror?
[09:10] <klees> mefisto__: conky
[09:10] <stdin> JosefK: it's default for the user made at install
[09:10] <JosefK> stdin: doesn't seem to be here :/
[09:10] <tobi__> any idea, which window-manager looks like OS ?
[09:10] <mefisto__> klees: sorry I don't know conky
[09:11] <JosefK> stdin: nope, user made during install and 'disk' not in 'groups''
[09:11] <klees> does anyone have conky experience???
[09:11] <Kyral> I do
[09:11] <Kyral> whats up?
[09:12] <stdin> JosefK: it's always been default for me, maybe because I use the alternate cd, but I've always been in "6(disk)"
[09:12] <Kyral> Conky + Fluxbox == Sexy
[09:12] <klees> Kyral: i can't seem to enable transparency
[09:12] <klees> Kyral: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1599/
[09:12] <JosefK> stdin: ah, that sounds about right, the alternate cd hung on this box so I had to use the live cd installer
[09:13] <stdin> JosefK: I always use the alternate one, not because I can't use the live cd, just because I like to be able to configure everything before the 1st boot :)
[09:13] <Kyral> klees: http://conky.sourceforge.net/faq.html Look at 5, have you tried that?
[09:14] <Kyral> (Keep in mind I have never used Conky with KDE, only Fluxbox)
[09:14] <klees> Kyral: =(
[09:14] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know of any kubuntu software packages for drive sanitizing?
[09:14] <Kyral> sanitzing?
[09:14] <firecrotch> can anyone help me set up an FTP server?
[09:15] <Kyral> like erasing completely?
[09:15] <Kyral> like so completely its impossible to recover?
[09:15] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: ?
[09:15] <amigrave> chavo: I made some test with some image viewer concerning the chat we had, and I can't tell you that kview is more than 2 times slower than qwenview for rendering a 2Mo jpg. And some times ago my tests showed that kuickshow was faster than gwenview. I guess kubuntu will lack a fast & light image viewer.
[09:16] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: yes
[09:16] <extern> is Eclipse working for anyone?
[09:16] <firecrotch> I tried installing proftpd, but couldn't figure out how to set up FTP users
[09:16] <amigrave> chavo: s/I can't tell/I can tell/
[09:16] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: Mkay...I shall tell you
[09:16] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: But be aware...this will fsck up the HD and to recover you'll need a FULL repartition
[09:16] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: PM?
[09:16] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: sure
[09:17] <Kyral> ( I don't want someone to see this and go "OOO! Good Idea! *****!!"
[09:17] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: lol, np
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> Kyral: lol, apparently i cant type back to you in the pm
[09:19] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: is your Nick registered with NickServ?
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> no
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> not yet
[09:19] <Kyral> !register
[09:19] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:19] <Kyral> Thats why
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok.
[09:19] <xenophile7x7> yes, it seems simple enough, but just to clarify
[09:20] <mefisto__> Kyral: tell us all how to erase our disks
[09:20] <Kyral> use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero to **** it up :D
[09:20] <xenophile7x7> by 'fsck up the HD' you just mean destroying all the data correct? ill still be able to repartition and reformat?
[09:20] <Kyral> xenophile7x7: yah
[09:20] <Kyral> Its scary how much rope Linux gives you to hang yourself sometimes :D
[09:20] <malik_> whats the difference between firefox from mopzilla website and the one from ubuntu repos?
[09:20] <Kyral> This is why the root is scared
[09:20] <Kyral> err
[09:20] <Kyral> scacred
[09:20] <Kyral> whatever
[09:21] <I-04> stdin: it worked, and there is also a way to automatically set the version. sudo checkinstall --pkgversion=<version>
[09:21] <n8k99> malik_ ubuntu specific security fixes
[09:21] <xenophile7x7> lol, tis a nifty little command though
[09:21] <xenophile7x7> ill def. be keepin it in mind
[09:21] <stdin> I-04: ahh, I'll have to read the man page more :P
[09:21] <Kyral> dd is also great for making ISO Images
[09:21] <michel_> Uptime: 2 hours and 41 minutes
[09:21] <I-04> stdin: yep, found it in there
[09:21] <Kyral> which because I'm in a good mood, shall tell you all! :D
[09:22] <Kyral> dd if=/dev/<your cd drive> of=/path/to/new/ISO
[09:22] <Kyral> just hit that and let fly
[09:22] <Kyral> Don't even need root
[09:22] <malik_> oki thanx
[09:22] <stdin> I-04: so adept now sees that you have v2.0 installed?
[09:23] <xenophile7x7> whats the diff between dev/zero and dev/random?
[09:23] <I-04> stdin: yes, it stopped complaining
[09:23] <Kyral> /dev/zero produces an endless stream of 0s
[09:23] <mefisto__> Kyral: is the if and of in that command "input file" and "output file"?
[09:23] <Kyral> mefisto__: yup
[09:24] <stdin> xenophile7x7: /dev/zero just outputs a load of "0" /dev/random makes random characters
[09:24] <Kyral> /dev/random (and /dev/urandom) produce random ****
[09:24] <stdin> I-04: great, where there is a will (and a linux app) there is a way :P
[09:24] <__mikem> xenophile7x7 whats the difference between the number 0 and a random number
[09:24] <Kyral> __mikem: not a random NUMBER
[09:24] <Kyral> a random peice of ANYTHING
[09:24] <BluesKaj> dd ? for iso ..what's dd?
[09:24] <Kyral> dd == disk dump or something
[09:24] <xenophile7x7> either one would suffice then
[09:24] <I-04> stdin: yesir, thanks for the help!
[09:25] <xenophile7x7> just wanted to clarify, ty
[09:25] <stdin> I-04: no problem, glad it works :)
[09:25] <mefisto__> does anyone know anything about the moto4lin program?
[09:25] <Kyral> and before someone asks, /dev/random waits for enough entropy in the system before giving random data, while /dev/urandom gives pseudorandom data instantly
[09:27] <Kyral> Dontcha love Linux :D
[09:27] <xenophile7x7> a little bit more every time i use it
[09:27] <xenophile7x7> now if i could just choose a distro....
[09:27] <stdin> just make your own :P
[09:27] <Kyral> *Duck and COVER!*
[09:28] <Kyral> Personlly I like ArchLinux right now
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> haha, dont quite know enough to do that yet
[09:28] <Kyral> though I run Debian on my server (coupled with Xen)
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> the *buntu's seem simple enough for now, until i get a bit mroe comfortable with it
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> then i need to figure out what to run for a server/client
[09:28] <stdin> try Linux From Scratch, if you're up for a challenge like no other :)
[09:28] <andrei> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[09:29] <andrei> liniste
[09:29] <Kyral> Slackware -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Fedora -> SuSE -> ArchLinux
[09:29] <Kyral> I have tried LFS like 5 times
[09:29] <Kyral> Failed each time to an unsolvable compiler error
[09:30] <Kyral> I have played with FreeBSD and the HURD
[09:30] <firecrotch> I have ProFTPd running, how do I create a user that has access to only a specific directory?
[09:30] <Kyral> firecrotch: Well, first I'd make an FTP user
[09:30] <Kyral> and then set the ProFTPd "homedir" to the FTP user's homedir :D
[09:30] <dope> is it a bad idea to install the nvidia display drivers from the recover console?
[09:30] <Kyral> dope: Nope...
[09:31] <firecrotch> Kyral, how do I create an FTP user? I'm completely new to setting up FTP
[09:31] <Kyral> (The "Recover Console" is mearly Single User Mode
[09:31] <Kyral> firecrotch: How do you make any other user?
[09:31] <dope> ok, when i tried to do it last time it said i was at level 1 and i should use level 3
[09:31] <torsten_> hy,kann mir jemand erklren wie ich kmail  die zusammenarbeit mit kwallet unterbinde?
[09:31] <Rob-West> whats a good linux partition tool
[09:31] <Kyral> Rob-West: GUI or console?
[09:31] <Rob-West> GYU
[09:31] <Rob-West> GUI*
[09:31] <stdin> Rob-West: GParted
[09:31] <Kyral> Rob-West: GParted/QtParted
[09:31] <firecrotch> useradd ... but how do I set up the user to a) only be able to use ftp and b) actually be allowed to use FTP
[09:32] <Kyral> firecrotch: Do you mean the user people will login as via FTP?
[09:32] <firecrotch> Yes
[09:32] <dope> yea, it says i'm at runlevel 1 and that it's recommended to use runlevel 3
[09:32] <Kyral> firecrotch: Hell if I know I have never setup FTP :D
[09:32] <Kyral> SFTP FTW
[09:33] <Kyral> dope: Hmm, then reboot to normal mode, kill KDM, login and do it from the console :D
[09:33] <dope> i can't
[09:33] <Rob-West> thanks
[09:33] <dope> when i kill KDM my screen is just black
[09:33] <firecrotch> If it's any help to anyone, I also have webmin installed :\
[09:33] <Kyral> dope: CTRL+ALT+F1 first :D
[09:33] <fxr> hey.. what package do i find this in "terminal management library for readline"
[09:33] <dope> tried it
[09:33] <dope> still nothing
[09:34] <dope> i've been having a problem with the xserver just resetting
[09:34] <dope> i think that's what's happening
[09:34] <BluesKaj> what is nicotine , exactly ...a file sharing or chat or both?
[09:34] <dope> i'll just have it sitting there looking at the desktop and then screen goes black and the nvidia logo appears and back to the login screen
[09:34] <firecrotch> !nicotine
[09:34] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[09:35] <BluesKaj> firecrotch, already did that but doesn't really tell me much , but thanks anyway :)
[09:35] <Valmarko> My graphics card is ati radeon. Xorg,con has 'ati' instead of 'radeon' . Should I change the driver to radeon ?
[09:36] <firecrotch> BluedKaj, well it seems to me that it's just file sharing
[09:36] <BluesKaj> right
[09:36] <Kyral> Valmarko: If you have the radeon drivers installed
[09:36] <dope> Valmarko, if it ain't broke don't fix it
[09:36] <Rob-West> i cant repartition in linux
[09:36] <ryy> Hi, I am linux n00b. I was wondering if someone could help me with an internet connection question.
[09:36] <Valmarko> right. tnks
[09:36] <BluesKaj> Valmarko, http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[09:36] <firecrotch> ryy, what's your question?
[09:37] <stdin> Rob-West: not if you are using the disk, no
[09:37] <ryy> Hi,
[09:37] <ryy> I have a regular DSL connection.  I always try to turn on the router before turning on the computer.  Because if I boot to the desktop before turning on either the router or modem I have to reboot the computer.  Is there a way for me to establish Internet connection after I boot the computer?
[09:37] <stdin> !gparted | Rob-West
[09:37] <ubotu> Rob-West: gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:37] <stdin> Rob-West: use the live cd, or the K/Ubuntu Live CD
[09:37] <Rob-West> i got it
[09:37] <Valmarko> the driver came with kubuntu. I guess its open source
[09:37] <Rob-West> im running Ubuntu hard drive install
[09:38] <BluesKaj> ryy, just leave your router on at all times
[09:38] <firecrotch> ryy, what about just leaving the router on all the time?
[09:38] <Rob-West> but i wanna install a second linux distro
[09:38] <kimmern> what do i type to exit x-server?
[09:38] <firecrotch> BluesKaj, GMTA :)
[09:38] <Kyral> Rob-West: You can't repartition a mounted drive
[09:38] <Rob-West> damn it
[09:38] <Kyral> Hence LiveCD :D
[09:38] <dope> Rob-West, use the gparted live cd
[09:39] <ryy> It really isn't my home so I don't wanna do that.  Everyone else uses Windows and they don't have this problem.
[09:39] <dope> Rob-West: google around for it. it worked for me
[09:39] <Rob-West> i already have a Ubuntu live CD
[09:39] <BluesKaj> dunno why ppl turn their routers off, since the maker usually tries to update firmware when it sees the pc disconnected
[09:39] <stdin> ryy: yes, in System Settings -> Netword Settings, just disable it, then enable it, that's all you need to do
[09:39] <Kyral> Which had GParted off :D
[09:39] <dope> Rob-West: get the gparted one
[09:39] <dope> worked like a charm for me
[09:39] <ryy> Thanks a lot.
[09:40] <kimmern> i'm installing new video drivers, and need to exit x-server first..si how?
[09:40] <Kyral> kimmern: CTRL+ALT+F1
[09:40] <Kyral> login then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:40] <kimmern> thanks kyral!
[09:40] <bomber> ctrl alt bacspce works too
[09:40] <Kyral> bomber: That just RESTARTS it
[09:41] <Kyral> kimmern: to restart it use sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[09:41] <bomber> on my system it exits
[09:41] <tackat> Did anyone here came across:
[09:41] <tackat> *** YOU'RE USING autoheader (GNU Autoconf) 2.61.
[09:41] <tackat> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[09:41] <Kyral> The AutoConfs...grr
[09:41] <tackat> while trying to build recent KDE ...
[09:41] <Kyral> and I shall be back...hopefully
[09:42] <tackat> Kyral: yepp great that KDE switched to cmake recently
[09:43] <stdin> tackat: and now use "automaken" too
[09:43] <tackat> stdin: ????
[09:44] <Tox> can set up printer on kubuntu i tried everything, it recognize it but not printing ?
[09:44] <sinbad33> wolfwalker, how does FF do the job better exactly ??
[09:44] <stdin> tackat: if you grab the svn, it says to use "automaken" not automake
[09:44] <Tox> it shows print job ..
[09:45] <tackat> stdin: there's no such package there !?!
[09:47] <stdin> tackat: there is, I think it's only on feisty tho
[09:47] <tackat> stdin: ah
[09:48] <Tox> !printer
[09:48] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:48] <stdin> tackat: /ms is a dumb-bell, it's not atuomaken
[09:48] <stdin> tackat: it's called "unsermake"
[09:50] <stdin> tackat: automaken is automake, unsermake like it, but slightly strange :P
[09:51] <firecrotch> Okay, I need help setting up an FTP-only user
[09:51] <firecrotch> I'm using proftp and webmin
[09:52] <Tox>  cant set up printer on kubuntu i tried everything, it recognize it but not printing ?
[09:52] <Tox> help plz
[09:52] <tackat> stdin: I have unsermake, but it doesn't change that --- the issue is about autotools, not automake
[09:53] <stdin> tackat: yeah, I got confused between he two
[09:53] <Tox> its HP Lazerjet 1020
[09:53] <tobi__> !mp3
[09:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:54] <bobleny> Hey, how do I move a file from one place to another in the konsol thingy?
[09:55] <bobleny> Or, better yet, is there a way to become sudo in the GUI for a time?
[09:55] <stdin> bobleny: kdesu konqueror
[09:55] <firecrotch> You can do sudo konqueror
[09:55] <stdin> NOT sudo konqueror
[09:55] <firecrotch> stdin: What's the difference?
[09:55] <stdin> !kdesu
[09:55] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:56] <stdin> firecrotch: that answer you? :P
[09:56] <firecrotch> Gotcha, I'll have to get out of that habit then
[09:56] <bobleny> Ok
[09:57] <stdin> firecrotch: you can get some really hard to fix errors with sudo and GUI apps, sudo is only for cli apps :)
[09:57] <firecrotch> I wish there was some way to add a right-click menu option to "open as root" or something like that
[09:57] <tobi__> !lame
[09:57] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[09:57] <stdin> firecrotch: there is
[09:57] <firecrotch> stdin: it doesn't seem to be there by default
[09:58] <stdin> firecrotch: there is, right click -> Actions -> Edit as root (for text files anyway)
[09:58] <firecrotch> stdin: but what about for applications like Konqueror?
[09:58] <stdin> firecrotch: as for run as root, now that's a but dangerous :P
[09:59] <stdin> firecrotch: but you can make a desktop link to application, and use "kdesu konqueror" as the command
[09:59] <xenophile7x7> lol, umm...last n00b question for the day ;)  from the cli, how can i see the partitions on my hard drives?
[09:59] <firecrotch> stdin: I guess that would work
[10:00] <firecrotch> Now, I just need some help setting up an FTP only user...
[10:00] <stdin> firecrotch: the reason there isn't a "run as root" option, is because one wrong click, and someone can mess there system up bad
[10:00] <stdin> xenophile7x7: sudo fdisk -l
[10:00] <bobleny> Ty
[10:00] <bobleny> That worked
[10:00] <xenophile7x7> tuy
[10:00] <xenophile7x7> *ty
[10:00] <stdin> xenophile7x7: -l is L
[10:00] <firecrotch> stdin: good point
[10:00] <Wablet> I'm wondering, is it possible to have a ATI and nVidia card in the same computer and tell a dual boot linux to go off one and windows to go off the other?
[10:01] <firecrotch> Wablet, you would just have to configure the card as the only video in each operating system.  IIRC, there is a way in windows to set it to not use a specific card ever
[10:02] <Wablet> firecrotch: Alright, because right now I only have an ati card and as much as I don't want to buy a new motherboard to support 2 cards, I think I need to since if I update my ATi drivers on Kubuntu (Not ubuntu) it locks me out of my desktop
[10:02] <Wablet> firecrotch: unless someone can help me to get my ati card to not lock out
[10:03] <kimmern> i'm installing nvidia drivers, but have to kill x..anyone?
[10:03] <firecrotch> Wablet: yeah, that would be a lot better than buying another vid card and new mobo
[10:04] <firecrotch> Wablet: I know nothing of ATI cards, since I have an integrated video card (laptop)
[10:04] <Wablet> firecrotch: And just maybe I could live on opensource drivers, aslong as I'm able to up my resolution.  Since I'll be doing gaming on my windows boot.
[10:04] <stdin> kimmern: didn't you ask that a few mins ago?
[10:04] <kimmern> stdin: yes, i got an answer but it didnt work..
[10:05] <Wablet> !ati
[10:05] <stdin> kimmern: which part didn't work?
[10:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <stdin> kimmern: and why not use the driver from ubuntu ?
[10:06] <Wablet> I'm having a small issue.  I can't even launch Kubuntu on my card.  I need to modify my xorg to enable vesa drivers for it to even work.
[10:07] <firecrotch> For FTP users, do I have to have a group called 'ftp' or something, then add the user to that group?
[10:08] <bobleny> Is there a way to make windows semi transparent or something like that?
[10:09] <kimmern> lots of folks here..someone gotta know how to exit x-server?
[10:09] <stdin> kimmern: which part didn't work?
[10:09] <firecrotch> !beryl | bobleny
[10:09] <ubotu> bobleny: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:09] <stdin> kimmern: and why not use the driver from ubuntu ?
[10:09] <stdin> firecrotch: maybe this will help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588
[10:10] <xenophile7x7> i just got the strangest feelin of deja vu ;)
[10:11] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know an undernet server offhand?
[10:16] <BluesKaj> newyork.ny.us.undernet.org
[10:16] <xenophile7x7> thx
[10:16] <BluesKaj> np
[10:16] <stdin> heh, google rocks :P
[10:16] <firecrotch> Okay, I used Webmin to create the user for FTP (I think I got all the settings right), but my FTP user gets a "wrong password" error
[10:16] <K`zan> anyone here using avr-gcc ?
[10:18] <acemo> "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy" doesnt needs a gpg key right?
[10:19] <Tox> cant setup printer somebody yelp!
[10:19] <firecrotch> acemo: there's a key provided, but the key did not work for me
[10:19] <nagyv> hello! is there a way to switch off the computer automatically after a given time? (I like to fell asleep on music, but would like to switch off the computer.) I use amarok to listen to music.
[10:19] <acemo> i coulnt find the key on hqwine.com
[10:19] <stdin> acemo: don't think they have one, so no
[10:19] <acemo> and im getting this error:
[10:19] <acemo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1155/
[10:20] <firecrotch> acemo: I don't remember where I saw the key, but you don't need it anyways
[10:20] <sorush20> how do I type latin letters?
[10:20] <just-this-time> amarok wont play from smb:// any ideas ?
[10:20] <sorush20> A
[10:20] <acemo> im not using a key, but when i run apt-get upgrade im getting a nice error =(
[10:20] <acemo> saying it cant find the gpg key
[10:20] <stdin> nagyv: you can make a cron job to run a a certain time every day to shutdown
[10:20] <firebird619> I am going to be installing Ubuntu. What partitions are recommended aside from the default ones Ubuntu creates? I have 120 GB HDD and 256 MB for RAM.
[10:21] <stdin> acemo: ignore it, and contine
[10:21] <c4rlO> o man..
[10:21] <c4rlO> so many question in here..
[10:21] <acemo> stdin, it anoys me =( i wanna get rid of the error
[10:21] <firecrotch> nagyv: you could also use a shell script that you start when you're ready to go to bed that would shut it down in say, 30 minutes
[10:21] <stdin> firebird619: a separate /home partition is always a good idea
[10:21] <nagyv> stdin: it is quiet occasional, and even the time changes day-by-day, and I also don't know what a cronjob is :)
[10:22] <nagyv> firecrotch: could you point me to page where I can read about this?
[10:22] <stdin> nagyv: you can use the "at" command, look at "man at" in konsole
[10:23] <firebird619> stdin: Ok, any other recommendations? I see online on sites to have, for example, separate /var, /tmp partitions and so forth, is that necessary or a good idea?
[10:23] <firecrotch> stdin: I would use the "sleep" command, which will wait a certain amount of time before executing the command
[10:23] <emprevet51> hello
[10:23] <stdin> nagyv: i think that was to you, not me ^^^^
[10:24] <nagyv> stdin: I have found it, thx
[10:24] <tobi__> is there any adept package for a lame encoder ?
[10:24] <firecrotch> stdin: to both, actually :)
[10:24] <stdin> firebird619: you don't need all those, you aren't going to be running a massive server are you?
[10:25] <stdin> !lame
[10:25] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[10:25] <firebird619> stdin: No, it is just for typical home use, Internet, Music, etc.
[10:25] <stdin> tobi__: yes, it's in multiverse
[10:25] <tobi__> thanks
[10:25] <firecrotch> firebird619: Then you should be just fine with just putting /home on a separate parition
[10:25] <stdin> firebird619: then all you need is '/' , swap and '/home'
[10:26] <BTR> Hi, im having problems with wine, is there a support channel for it?
[10:26] <mehmet> nere la bura ?
[10:26] <stdin> BTR: #winehq
[10:26] <mehmet> yeah
[10:26] <c4rlO> hi,i have a question.it's about irc konversation application..Why affter i detached my bnc and want to reattach it back, the channel that i detached before not shown?Just the nick only appear in status but not the channel..
[10:26] <firebird619> Ok, Thanks. What is the best size to use for  the '/' partition. I have a 120 GB drive.
[10:26] <stdin> !tr
[10:26] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[10:27] <casev01> someone knows how to configure apt-build?
[10:27] <acemo> firebird619: / is ur root, a bit the same as c: in windows
[10:27] <stdin> c4rlO: ask in #konversation
[10:27] <c4rlO> ok thanks stdin
[10:27] <Dasnipa`> acemo, not really
[10:28] <nagyv> thx for your help, I am going to sleep now :)
[10:29] <Dasnipa`> acemo, as most programs arent installed in /, just symlinked in /usr/local/bin
[10:29] <stdin> Dasnipa`: most apps in kubuntu are in /usr/bin not /usr/local/bin
[10:29] <firebird619> What is recommended for the size of the  '/' partition on a 120 GB HDD? I have read that swap should be around 1.5 times the amount of RAM, and /home should be whatever free space is left over, but what is recommended for the '/' partition.
[10:30] <acemo> dasnipa` isnt /usr a sub folder of / ?
[10:30] <just-this-time> hey join me for full edgy torrent http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[10:30] <Dasnipa`> acemo, but they are symlinked there. not installed there. symlink = a few bytes
[10:30] <chavo> firebird619, 10 gigs is plenty for /, you can get by with less but that gives you room for installing a lot of stuff just in case
[10:31] <acemo> ohh okey
[10:31] <firebird619> chavo: Ok, Thank YOu
[10:31] <stdin> just-this-time: advertise in #kubuntu-offtopic not in here please
[10:31] <Dasnipa`> firebird619, no longer is it true that 1.5 tiems ram should be swap now that ram is in excess of 1 gig... 1 gig swap should be more than enough for anyone
[10:31] <chavo> I am using 3.8 gigs in my /, but I have KDE and Gnome installed
[10:31] <chavo> yeah 1 gig of swap is good
[10:31] <just-this-time> stdin hi
[10:32] <firebird619> Dasnipa: In the machine I am installing on there is only 256 MB of RAM. Would I still allocate 1 GB swap?
[10:32] <to0om> hey guys, a question: is anyone of you abel to install the libqt4-dev package in the actual kubuntu release?
[10:33] <to0om> here i always have some dependency problems with libglu1-xorg-dev
[10:34] <chavo> to0om, do you have any 3rd party repos enabled?
[10:34] <to0om> chavo: no, i don't
[10:34] <to0om> should i?
[10:34] <chavo> no
[10:35] <to0om> chavo: does it work on your installation?
[10:35] <chavo> to0om, yeah works here
[10:36] <chavo> running edgy
[10:36] <stdin> !info libglu1-xorg-dev
[10:36] <ubotu> libglu1-xorg-dev: transitional package for Debian etch. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[10:38] <parsek> I have a wd 120gb hard disk in my laptop and it clicks every 20sec or so when in idle, when I do hdparm -B 255 (turns automatic powermanagment off) the clicking stops, so how could I make it to do that command everytime I boot????
[10:38] <to0om> chavo: i also have edgy
[10:39] <to0om> chavo: could you paste your sources.list somewhere?
[10:40] <voicu> hi, there is something wrong with kaffeine. it doesn't start at all on my user but works good on other ones
[10:41] <stdin> parsek: look in /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:41] <extern> why does kubuntu splash screen get distorted, when shutting down? It doesn't get distorted if I immediately shutdown my computer just after it finished booting up
[10:41] <parsek> yes but what do i have to put there dor it to work
[10:41] <parsek> for
[10:41] <voicu> there is no output when starting it from konsole. i also deleted any user-configuration files related to kaffeine (to get the default ones).
[10:42] <voicu> maybe xine is the problem?
[10:42] <trunk> Can anyone help me with my updating problem
[10:43] <stdin> parsek: man hdparm.conf
[10:45] <just-this-time> amarok does not want to play from smb://in konqueror
[10:45] <Vigo> Greetings
[10:45] <just-this-time> shoul I mount SMB before
[10:46] <voicu> just-this-time: do you have to connect with a user+pass or anonymously?
[10:46] <Raven301> Ok Ubuntu has a sources.list generator Where would I find one for Kubuntu??
[10:47] <voicu> it's the same one...
[10:47] <stdin> Raven301: the sources are the same for both
[10:47] <parsek> same
[10:47] <voicu> kubuntu is a part of ubuntu
[10:47] <Raven301> stdin: ok thanks
[10:48] <parsek> what do you BTW use?
[10:50] <stdin> who?
[10:50] <parsek> anyone
[10:50] <parsek> what do you use stdin?
[10:51] <parsek> I mean a sources generator
[10:51] <stdin> parsek: I use my fingers :P
[10:51] <parsek> :)
[10:51] <stdin> I don't need no stinkin source genorator :)
[10:52] <parsek> heh
[10:52] <bobleny> what is a source generator?
[10:52] <stdin> it genorates a sources.list file
[10:53] <bobleny> Oh, no idea what thats for...
[10:53] <stdin> *(for lazy prople)
[10:53] <parsek> :)
[10:53] <Raven301> stdin: How you calling lazy .... lol
[10:53] <trunk> hi can some one help me I'm having real problems with my newly installed kubuntu
[10:53] <voicu> ok... anyone has any idea why kaffeine starts with errors and doesn't display any windows?
[10:54] <stdin> Raven301: how? well I just type it :P
[10:54] <bobleny> stdin is an expert!
[10:54] <Raven301> s/how/who
[10:54] <stdin> heh :)
[10:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> hmm, i can't get my webcam to work on kubuntu, would it be possible for me to install msn and my webcam using wine 0.9.29?
[10:54] <voicu> i can see it in the process list but nothing happens
[10:54] <voicu> on other users it works
[10:55] <Raven301> stdin: Is there a sources.list for feisty ?
[10:55] <stdin> voicu: try deleting ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc and try agin
[10:55] <trunk> help please I can't get any updates or downloads
[10:55] <voicu> stdin: i did that
[10:55] <stdin> Raven301: there better be, or I wouldn't have a sources.list
[10:56] <voicu> and restarted the session
[10:56] <stdin> trunk: what do you mean?
[10:56] <voicu> still it doesn't work
[10:56] <Raven301> stdin: any good place to get one?
[10:56] <voicu> the thing is... when i start a kde program from konsole i get some qt+X warnings. when i start kaffeine there are none. as if it doesn't link to the X server at all
[10:57] <stdin> Raven301: s/edgy/feisty/ on your sources.list
[10:57] <Raven301> stdin: ok ... thanks
[10:57] <trunk> I've just installed kubuntu AND WHEN i SEND IT IT FIND UPDATES IT JUST GOES ON OFR EVER
[10:57] <trunk> opps sorry for the caps
[10:58] <dwidmann> forever, or does it just feel like forever?
[10:58] <stdin> trunk: check that the sources aren't all disabled
[10:58] <stdin> trunk: and try changing to another mirror too
[10:58] <trunk> well I've left it 2 hours earlyer and it had done 0% so...
[10:58] <matthias> hi i just wanted to install iCenterX also known as UbuntuCenter but aptitude sais that "php5-gd" package is broken. what should i do?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> !php5-gd
[10:59] <ubotu> php5-gd: GD module for php5. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 152 kB
[10:59] <trunk> well I think it's just going to compleatly the wrong place
[10:59] <trunk> I am a compleat newbie but I@ve spent all day on this
[10:59] <HymnToLife> it seems to be there, are you using Dapper or EDgy ?
[10:59] <Balsamic_Chicken> is it possible to install webcam by wine?
[10:59] <stdin> trunk: change to another mirror
[10:59] <voicu> nevermind, it works... i don't know how but yey :D
[10:59] <dwidmann> matthias, maybe "sudo apt-get -f install", or to remove and reinstall it?
[11:00] <trunk> thanks I will try
[11:00] <dwidmann> Balsamic_Chicken: I doubt it
[11:00] <matthias> dwidmann: thx i'll try
[11:00] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: ask in #winehq
[11:01] <trunk> although the one thing is I'm thinking it might be IPV6 related because I have a router thats not IPV6 comp
[11:01] <aakarsh> does kubuntu come iwth vnc server
[11:01] <ego> hi at all!!
[11:01] <eddy__> how can i install skype on kubuntu?
[11:01] <aakarsh> it doest seem to find the command
[11:01] <stdin> trunk: it still wouldn't take that long
[11:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> k thx
[11:01] <dwidmann> eddy__ they have a deb, just download it and install the deb with dpkg
[11:01] <trunk> chears
[11:01] <stdin> aakarsh: krdc
[11:02] <matthias> dwidmann: thx seems to be ok now
[11:02] <aakarsh> k thanks
[11:02] <stdin> aakarsh: ahh, vnc server?
[11:03] <stdin> aakarsh: krbf for short term
[11:03] <aakarsh> well vncserver was what redhat seemed t ohave
[11:03] <stdin> !vnc
[11:03] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:03] <aakarsh> ok
[11:03] <aakarsh> i wanted to try this freenx thing but it wont isntall
[11:04] <stdin> !FreeNX
[11:04] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[11:04] <stdin> !botsnack
[11:04] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:04] <stdin> :)
[11:04] <aakarsh> yum is something to resolve package dependcies?
[11:04] <aakarsh> i am new i dont know
[11:04] <bobleny> !good bot, have a snack
[11:05] <stdin> aakarsh: not on Kubuntu, no, we use apt here :)
[11:05] <aakarsh> ok but apt  doesnt seem to do the auto dependency download
[11:05] <parsek> I have a weird problem with videos, in vlc or any other player the colours are all wrong, yellow is too yellow etc. thats with Xvideo output, when I use X11 colours are right but it doesnt look/perform otherwise well, what should I do????
[11:06] <aakarsh> just fails at not found dependency
[11:06] <stdin> aakarsh: then you haven't used it, because it dose
[11:06] <aakarsh> hmm
[11:06] <aakarsh> ok let me take a  look again
[11:06] <stdin> !apt
[11:06] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:07] <bobleny> Hey, can some explain exactlly waht beryl is? I went to the beryl-project.org, but I cant find out what it is.....
[11:07] <parsek> !beryl
[11:07] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:07] <dwidmann> bobleny: a window manager
[11:08] <stdin> bobleny: it's a themeable window manager, that uses 3D effects
[11:08] <frojnd> how do I made firefox primary explorer, so when I'll click on the link in konversation firexox will start instead konqueror
[11:08] <bobleny> So, it is for eye candy?
[11:08] <dwidmann> mostly
[11:08] <bobleny> k
[11:08] <stdin> frojnd: System Settings -> Default Applications
[11:08] <Parkotron> frojnd: System Settings > Default Applications
[11:09] <Parkotron> Jinx
[11:09] <stdin> hah, beet ya :)
[11:11] <bobleny> How do I make Dolphin my default file manager?
[11:13] <bobleny> Was that a yes?
[11:13] <stdin> bobleny: in Konqueror, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Association  -> inode -> derectory
[11:13] <stdin> *directory
[11:15] <|WAL|> anyone know where to get a newer version of HPLIP (>= 0.9.9) in a dapper repository?
[11:15] <bobleny> Wha!? I went to file association, but  I don't understand what to do...
[11:16] <stdin> bobleny: you see the list ?
[11:16] <bobleny> yup
[11:17] <stdin> |WAL|: you could try enabling the backports repository, or upgrade to edgy
[11:17] <stdin> bobleny: you see one called "inode" ?
[11:17] <bobleny> no...
[11:17] <|WAL|> stdin: backports?
[11:17] <stdin> !backports
[11:17] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:17] <bobleny> Nope, sorry, I'm blind. I found it....
[11:18] <stdin> bobleny: expand it, and you'll get another list, in there click "directory"
[11:18] <bobleny> ok
[11:19] <stdin> bobleny: is Dolphin in there?
[11:19] <stdin> bobleny: on the right ?
[11:19] <bobleny> yeah, its the top one
[11:20] <stdin> bobleny: then it should be default
[11:20] <bobleny> Ok, but when it is the top one, I cant open my trash bin?
[11:21] <stdin> bobleny: you can add an applet to the panel for it
[11:21] <stdin> if it isn't already there
[11:21] <stdin> ny the clock
[11:21] <stdin> *by
[11:22] <bobleny> Yes, the trash bin in next to the clock
[11:22] <RawSewage> is it ok to be DMZ host. or is that risky
[11:23] <stdin> not a clue RawSewage
[11:24] <RawSewage> ok
[11:24] <bobleny> How do I add an applet to the panel for it?
[11:24] <jkgruet> KAudioCreator is acting up when ripping a CD to mp3.  Anyone use this on a regular basis?  (Kubuntu/Edgy)
[11:25] <stdin> bobleny: right click the panel,  click "add applet to panel", choose the applet, click add
[11:25] <bobleny> "Maleformed URL trash:/" that is there error I get when I try to open my trash bin, while dolphin is my default file manager.
[11:25] <fxr> whats this:? kded_kpasswdserver
[11:26] <stdin> bobleny: just make a link on the desktop, link to application, and use "konqueror trash:/" as the command
[11:27] <stdin> fxr: what from?
[11:27] <fxr> its an error from amarok...
[11:28] <bobleny> Will that make the trash bin open in konqueror?
[11:28] <stdin> fxr: is that all it says?
[11:28] <stdin> bobleny: it need to open in konqueror, it's a KDE trash bin
[11:28] <stdin> bobleny: it's not readable by other apps
[11:28] <bobleny> How come?
[11:29] <stdin> bobleny: because it's a security mesure
[11:29] <bobleny> They want to secure the trash bin?
[11:29] <stdin> bobleny: yes, why wouldn't they?
[11:29] <dwidmann> /home/.local/share/Trash = trash:/
[11:29] <fxr> m running from the command line and trying to connect to a stream.. it was working fine, but i nstalled amarok by *accident* now can connect to stream.. m scared in case i remoced a dependent package.. the full errors are:
[11:30] <fxr> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (4971) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[11:30] <fxr> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserver!
[11:30] <fxr> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (4971) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[11:30] <fxr> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserver!
[11:30] <fxr> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (4971) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[11:30] <fxr> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserv
[11:30] <fxr> *uninstalled amarok
[11:30] <stdin> fxr: no clue, ask in #kde
[11:30] <fxr> k thanks..
[11:30] <dwidmann> **/home/user/.local/share/Trash
[11:30] <bobleny> Because it is trash. One mans trash is another mans treasuer
[11:31] <stdin> dwidmann: but it's not readable by other apps, in the way that konqi reads it, with the meta data
[11:31] <heinkel_111> anoyone know how to disbale KPerzonaliser, or at least how to make it *not* appear every time i log in as a certain user?
[11:31] <dwidmann> Probably not, but that's the place you'd want it to go if trash:/ failed
[11:37] <dwidmann> heinkel_111, let me check something, it's an easy fix if I remember right
[11:37] <heinkel_111> dwidmann: you are authorized to check something :)
[11:38] <dwidmann> ~/.kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc, set FirstLogin=false in the general section. I think that's the fix.
[11:38] <heinkel_111> dwidmann: thanks for the hint!
[11:39] <dwidmann> you're welcome
[11:39] <bobleny> Is there a way to force the trashbin in the task bar to open in konqoror?
[11:39] <dwidmann> Yes
[11:39] <dwidmann> well, then again, it will require you to change the trash in the taskbar
[11:40] <bobleny> meaning?
[11:40] <dwidmann> make the trash thing in the taskbar a regular application launcher ...
[11:40] <dwidmann> less functional, I know, but it'll do the trick
[11:40] <bobleny> I'm cornfused!
[11:40] <dwidmann> and the application to launch would be .... "konqueror trash:/"
[11:41] <heinkel_111> dwidmann: mine already says Firstlogin = false :S
[11:41] <dwidmann> bobleny: right click on the desktop, create new application launcher
[11:41] <heinkel_111> got to be wrong somewhere else i guess
[11:41] <dwidmann> heinkel_111, on the user in question as well:? Hmm, that must not be it then, I'll check around then, I've fixed the problem before ... I thought it was that, must not have been though eh?
[11:42] <heinkel_111> could it be something in startup ?
[11:43] <heinkel_111> i restored most config resource files from another user, because something was causing this user to start up on one screen only (i have dual screen)'
[11:43] <heinkel_111> but i left out startup resources etc
[11:44] <bobleny> Ok, I got it. But still, I can configuer the original trash bin icon in the taskbar to open up in koqoror?
[11:45] <s_> Hello. Is here enzone, who runs the KDE with installed Firehol and Knights? I need help with setting of firewall. Thanks.
[11:45] <dwidmann> bobleny, I don't think the one in the tray is configurable, it's the trash applet.
[11:45] <dwidmann> bobleny: you could put that launcher on the taskbar, just drag it down there if you want to
[11:46] <bobleny> then can I congifuer the trash applet?
[11:46] <dwidmann> Nay, I don't think the trash applet is configurable at all.
[11:47] <bobleny> Well, something has to tell the trash apllet to work.
[11:49] <dwidmann> heinkel_111: the fix is listed here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/56206
[11:50] <parsek> is there any way to get direct rendering to work in ati rage mobility P/M
[11:50] <matthew> Anyone have experience w/ dancer-ircd? I've got one set up, but I can't figure out how to add channels...
[11:52] <Seijuro> unless you're running services to keep the channel open I believe you just join the channel matthew
[11:54] <jkgruet> matthew: have you checked out http://www.contactor.se/~dast/dancer/doc/dancerdoc.html  ??
[11:54] <matthew> thanks a lot, I'm gonna check that link out now!
[11:55] <matthew> oh wait! dancer is a bot service...*smacks head* I'm looking for an irc server!
[11:56] <dwidmann> parsek, the crickets chirp at your question, I presume you're not going to find your answer here
[11:56] <casev01> someone using apt-build?
[11:56] <jkgruet> matthew: I'm a little ignorant on those, so can't help much more.
[11:56] <matthew> np, thanks anyway!
[11:57] <jkgruet> My own problems currently include getting KAudioCreator to work:  apparently there's a genre problem on the look-up.
[11:57] <bobleny> I went to dolphin, typed "trash:/", I then deleted on my desktop. Guess where the file went to!? I'm confused, if "trash:/" can be opend in dolphin, they why can't "trash:/" open in dolphin???????
[11:58] <bobleny> !trash
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <jkgruet> I don't know if this is a kubuntu-specific problem, or a kaudiocreator problem; so far, 'net searches haven't been too helpful.
[12:11] <N6REJ> I'm getting confused... i'm trying to setup an intranet server with access to apache and quasar from outside, but something has gotten hosed or confused.  I originally used the computer name "ubuntu" ( the default ) and sometimes apache would flake and take me to ubuntu.com instead of my own server.  So my friend said to change the IP to static and change the name, did that but now apache...
[12:11] <N6REJ> ...says it can't resolve FQDN.
[12:12] <N6REJ> can anyone help please?