[12:14] <Lutin> persia: otherwise, dch will take your current username
[12:14] <geser> Lutin: export DEBEMAIL DEBFULLNAME :)
[12:15] <Lutin> geser: you're right, I also forget those^^
[12:16] <crimsun> I should start signing my uploads as "disgruntled peon"
[12:16] <Lutin> persia: I meant, if the var geser tells about are not set, the new name and adress are yourlogin@yourmachine
[12:17] <persia> persia: I understand.  I use .devscriots to set the variables, but either works.  I presume that regular updaters either set the variables or check the changelogs before updating.
[12:17] <persia> Bleh s/persia/Lutin/
[12:17] <Lutin> hehe
[12:21] <Lutin> persia: is that ok ,
[12:21] <Lutin> ?
[12:23] <persia> Lutin: That should work, but man dch for more discussion related to $NAME and $EMAIL.
[12:23] <Lutin> yep, was reading that :)
[12:27] <Lutin> persia: maybe just assuming the vars are set should be enough
[12:28] <crimsun> Laser_away: (answering scrollback) sure, let me know more details RE: motu school
[12:29] <persia> Lutin: That seems easiest to me.  A case where an uploader would want to use -m for this type of update doesn't spring to mind.
[12:29] <Lutin> yep
[12:30] <Lutin> persia: done. now it has to run in the sourcefolder too
[12:33] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks for REVUing http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071 - Now to find MOTU #2...
[12:33] <persia> Lutin: I missed the reasoning behind adding the special $mail handlers.  Is there a reason these shouldn't be in IGNORE_MAINTAINER?  Also, what about the case where the user runs this in their home directory, which has a debian/ subdirectory containing their packages?  You might want to verify that the current directory name matches the package and version in the changelog.
[12:34] <Lutin> persia: ignore_maintainer exit without doing anythin
[12:35] <persia> Lutin: You're right: no need.
[12:35] <Lutin> persia: the mail handler is to replace debian emails by their ubuntu ones for adconrad and mpitt
[12:35] <Lutin> persia: thus have to be changed
[12:35] <Lutin> if I understand correctly
[12:35] <persia> Hobbsee: The sparc kdelibs issue was fixed by a give-back.  Thanks again.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> persia: yay :)
[12:36] <persia> Lutin: Ah.  I understand now.  Thanks for the explanation.
[12:36] <Lutin> persia: at leat it's what I understood from the pkgmangler overrides files geser pointed me to
[12:36] <Lutin> and the help of Adri2000 ;)
[12:37] <Lutin> persia: you said
[12:37] <Lutin> Also, what about the case where the user runs this in their home directory, which has a debian/ subdirectory containing their packages?  You might want to verify that the current directory name matches the package and version in the changelog
[12:38] <Lutin> that assume you have actually a valid changelog, which is the thing you try to determinate
[12:39] <Nafallo> !info sun-java5-bin
[12:39] <ubotu> sun-java5-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 21811 kB, installed size 65084 kB
[12:39] <persia> Lutin: Right.  My mistake.  There's no need to check, as if both debian/changelog and debian/control exist, it's likely to be a package base directory.
[12:41] <geser> Lutin: you don't need to escape the email addresses when you assign 'email'  as they are only used as a replacement and the echo looks better
[12:42] <Lutin> geser: i'm a sed parano ^^. had so much problems with that that I always escape :)
[12:42] <Lutin> thanks for that, I'll remember it =)
[01:02] <Lutin> well, time to sleep
[01:03] <Lutin> g'night guys, and thanks a lot persia & geser
[01:03] <geser> night Lutin 
[01:03] <persia> Good night Lutin
[02:00] <_Enchained> bddebian: here ?
[02:00] <bddebian> Maybe
[02:00] <_Enchained> ^
[02:01] <_Enchained> can I show you my manpage for dvd95 and see if ok ?
[02:01] <bddebian> Sure
[02:01] <shawarma> Adri2000: Re merging lighttpd: Sure, knock yourself out.
[02:02] <_Enchained> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1490/
[02:02] <_Enchained> I'm not a crazy "manpager" yet ^^
[02:03] <bddebian> Are there any command line switches, etc for it?
[02:04] <_Enchained> no
[02:04] <bddebian> Does it have a gnome help page?
[02:04] <_Enchained> ?
[02:05] <_Enchained> there is a special extension for that ?
[02:05] <bddebian> No, just thinking you should mention it if it had one
[02:05] <bddebian> It looks fine
[02:06] <_Enchained> How can I know if there's one ?
[02:07] <_Enchained> (sorry my english is a little bad :s)
[02:07] <bddebian> _Enchained: Inside app, if it has like Help->Foo
[02:07] <_Enchained> hm ok
[02:07] <_Enchained> I'll look at
[02:07] <somerville32> bddebian, Can you review me package?
[02:08] <bddebian> somerville32: Which one?
[02:08] <_Enchained> bddebian has the reiewing fever tonight :p
[02:08] <somerville32> You already did it, lol
[02:09] <bddebian> somerville32: I wondered, that's why I was asking :)
[02:09] <somerville32> "Looks OK to me.." ... pfft! siretart said it was beautiful :P
[02:09] <bddebian> Well I'm not as cool as siretart :)
[02:10] <somerville32> crimsun: Can you review (and hopefully then upload) for me?
[02:10] <_Enchained> in a file "README" there is only the text : "TODO ;-)" I can remove it from debian/docs ?...
[02:10] <somerville32> Anyone want me to review their package? :)
[02:27] <cypherbios> Hobbsee: around?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> cypherbios: contentless ping
[02:27] <somerville32> Grr... 
[02:28] <Hobbsee> somerville32: hrm?
[02:29] <somerville32> The whole contentless ping thing is annoying. If I have information I can just leave the info, I'll send them a pm
[02:29] <somerville32> If I ping someone, it is because I want to know if they are there or when they'll get there
[02:29] <somerville32> A lot of the time it isn't worth my effort to leave a message for them to get back to me because I can just ask/talk to someone else.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> somerville32: heh, fair enough
[02:29] <Hobbsee> cypherbios: what's up?
[02:29] <cypherbios> hobbsee: can you advocate this upload, if +1 from you http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4015
[02:29] <Hobbsee> somerville32: i'm contentless ping warning, because i'm here at the moment, and may not be for very long
[02:30] <crimsun> somerville32: and that's precisely what's so damned annoying to those of us who HATE being pinged with NO CONTENT.
[02:30] <crimsun> if you're going to ping me, give me details, don't ping with no comment, else you're wasting my time
[02:30] <cypherbios> hobbsee if doesn't, please leave some comments there :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> gah!!!
[02:30] <Toadstool> somerville32: catfish uploaded
[02:31] <somerville32> Toadstool: thanks :)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ARGH!!!!!1
[02:32] <Toadstool> this thing is script-able? :p
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: dunno, maybe :P
[02:32] <Toadstool> heh
[02:44] <somerville32> Ok
[02:44] <somerville32> I'm going to do one merge then sleep :)
[02:46] <somerville32> What do the different colours on MoM mean?
[02:46] <bddebian> Just to confuse you :-)
[02:47] <somerville32> Oh, ok
[02:48] <bddebian> I've never figured it out either :-)
[02:48] <somerville32> lol
[02:48] <somerville32> Red looks dangerous
[02:48] <somerville32> :D
[02:49] <somerville32> So there are only ~60 merges left for Universe?
[02:53] <bddebian> Only?
[02:54] <somerville32> Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic: universe
[02:54] <somerville32> 51 outstanding merges
[02:54] <somerville32> 71 updated merges
[02:54] <somerville32> Does 71 mean done?
[02:55] <somerville32> crimsun: Can I merge beep-media-player?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> somerville32: i thinkj persia already has
[02:58] <crimsun> I'll handle it.
[02:59] <crimsun> people who haven't followed my previous merges probably aren't aware that the stock artwork for b-m-p is different for Ubuntu, which is why there are "unrepresentable changes"
[02:59] <somerville32> hehe
[02:59] <somerville32> Can I do blam?
[03:00] <crimsun> ask him
[03:00] <crimsun> (he'll probably allow it)
[03:00] <Toadstool> somerville32: you can do initrd-tools :)
[03:00] <crimsun> and grub2!
[03:01] <somerville32> Lol
[03:01] <somerville32> ok
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ sudo modprobe atheros
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> FATAL: Module atheros not found.
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> Linux icebox 2.6.20-4-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 5 04:34:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> ^^^ This thing worked on umm... I think it was like... hoary...
[03:05] <somerville32> How does grab-merge.sh work?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: are you supposed to modprobe atheros or madwifi?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> somerville32: in an empty dir, run grab-merge.sh <packagename>
[03:06] <bddebian> pfft, grab-merge
[03:06] <somerville32> grab-merge.sh initrd <-- does nothing
[03:06] <somerville32> oh wait
[03:06] <somerville32> haha
[03:06] <somerville32> there we go
[03:07] <crimsun> bddebian: yeah, deities do it by hand, eh?
[03:07] <crimsun> once again proving I'm a peon :)
[03:07] <bddebian> No, just people to stupid/lazy to use scripts
[03:11] <crimsun> I ain't mockin nobody
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> hobbsee:  Hmm, I don't know.  It's not auto-probing though.
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> not madwifi..
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> aha
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> it's missing from -4 only (of generic AND lowlat)
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> but -5 oopses/bugs/crashes
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> in the Via DRI driver in the kernel or something, I guess.. I don't know, it causes X to die.
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> so I am just going to wait for -6
[03:27] <somerville32> So...
[03:27] <somerville32> If I understand this correctly
[03:28] <somerville32> I've used this script which has downloaded the packages
[03:28] <somerville32> and merged them
[03:28] <somerville32> and then I have to resolve any conflicts
[03:28] <somerville32> and create a debdiff
[03:28] <somerville32> and attach to my bug report
[03:28] <crimsun> well, almost.
[03:29] <crimsun> you've used a script that downloads the already-merged source package
[03:29] <crimsun> the already-merged source package may contain conflicts; if there are, REPORT lists them (as does grab-merge)
[03:30] <crimsun> but yes, you would edit debian/changelog regardless, generate a debdiff, attach said debdiff to a bug report, and subscribe u-u-s
[03:31] <somerville32> and the working copy that is extracted is the ubuntu version?
[03:31] <crimsun> more context?
[03:31] <crimsun> and you may find http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/requestsponsor useful.
[03:31] <somerville32> I have that installed
[03:32] <somerville32> The script, it unpackaged it
[03:32] <somerville32> I assume it is the ubuntu version unpackaged?
[03:32] <somerville32> s/unpackaged/extracted
[03:32] <crimsun> it's the merged one
[03:33] <crimsun> so in a sense, yes, "the ubuntu version"
[03:34] <somerville32> The debian version replaces a dependency in initrd-tools with another one
[03:35] <somerville32> lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu3) for libdevmapper1.02 (>= 2:1.02.02-2)
[03:35] <somerville32> (or they never had lsb-base and just added libdevmapper)
[03:36] <somerville32> We don't seem to have a libdevmapper package
[03:37] <somerville32> From the changelog:
[03:37] <somerville32>   * Use libdevmapper1.02 and add versioned depend on it. closes: 395181
[03:37] <somerville32>     initrd-tools is needed in etch for the upgrade path from sarge.
[03:37] <somerville32> debian bug #395181
[03:37] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 395181 in kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 "missing dependency on libdevmapper1.01" [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/395181
[03:37] <somerville32> !find libdevmapper
[03:37] <ubotu> Found: libdevmapper-dev, libdevmapper1.02
[03:37] <crimsun> then you need to merge in that change
[03:39] <somerville32> So just add libdevmapper1.02 as a dependency, ok
[03:41] <somerville32> Should I leave the changelog as by MoM?
[03:42] <crimsun> no
[03:42] <crimsun> you worked on it and thus to blame ;)
[03:42] <somerville32> lol, k
[03:47] <LaserJock> crimsun: what I think would be cool is just a general session where you go over requesting merges/syncs, how to be a good sponsor/sponsoree, etc.
[03:47] <LaserJock> crimsun: if you have a particular day/time that is good for you let me know
[03:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: He's a machine and thus needs no sleep :)
[03:53] <LaserJock> I doubt that, even though it's very plausible
[03:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Should I ask for Felt to be removed or do you think someone will want to try to fix it?
[03:54] <LaserJock> hmm, let me do a quick check
[03:55] <crimsun> who needs sleep when there are BUG EMAILS
[03:56] <somerville32> hehe
[03:57] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'm sure at some point I would be totally useless for bug fixing
[03:57] <LaserJock> I'm pretty useless as it is with full sleep
[03:59] <somerville32> So what should I change to the control file (besides merge stuff)?
[03:59] <LaserJock> somerville32: make minimal changes
[04:01] <somerville32> Sokk
[04:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: please file a removal bug, thanks
[04:07] <somerville32> Do I just ignore these since this is a merge?: 
 tonyyarusso, hmm?
 somerville32: It's this "also" thing still
 See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/77045, and try to do it for something.
 !somerville32 is <reply> somerville32 is the coolest kid on the block!
 I'll remember that, somerville32
 !somerville32 is also ...or not!
 somerville32 is already known
 !somerville32 is <also> ...or not!
 somerville32 is already known
 See what I mean?
 !somerville32 is also xubuntu
 somerville32 is already known
 !somerville32 is <also> xubuntu
 somerville32 is already known
 heh
[04:07] <crimsun> um
[04:07] <somerville32> * somerville32 nods.
 !forget somerville32
 I'll remember that, somerville32
 !foo
 foo is barr
 !bar
[04:07] <somerville32> gah
[04:07] <somerville32> Sorry :(
[04:07] <LaserJock> turn him off! ;-)
[04:07] <somerville32> Do I just ignore these since this is a merge?: 
[04:08] <somerville32> W: initrd-tools source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 3
[04:08] <somerville32> W: initrd-tools source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1 (current is 3.7.2)
[04:08] <somerville32> W: initrd-tools source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[04:08] <somerville32> W: initrd-tools source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.1.84.2ubuntu1
[04:08] <crimsun> yes
[04:08] <crimsun> you can safely ignore changelog-should-mention-nmu and source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number fooubuntu anyhow
[04:09] <bddebian> foobuntu? :-)
[04:09] <LaserJock> that's crimsun's derivative
[04:09] <crimsun> ok, barrybuntu
[04:09] <crimsun> or jordanbuntu
[04:09] <LaserJock> yucky
[04:09] <LaserJock> laserbuntu
[04:09] <crimsun> not my fault you're a deity
[04:09] <LaserJock> yes it IS!
[04:10] <LaserJock> I never claimed it :-)
[04:10] <somerville32> :] 
[04:10] <somerville32> Ok
[04:11] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: could you check the u-u-s mailing list and see if I'm subscribed?
[04:11] <somerville32> so I've rebuilt the source package
[04:11] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: try commenting on a bug?
[04:12] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: well, I don't remember getting a confirmation email
[04:12] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ahh
[04:12] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: if you do, and it comes back that you're not on the list, then we'll get a message
[04:12] <zul> Hobbsee: you took the easy way out of blaming
[04:12] <Hobbsee> there's probably some way i cna manually check though
[04:12] <Hobbsee> zul: hrm?
[04:12] <zul> 22:07  * Hobbsee blames ajmitch
[04:12] <somerville32> initrd-tools_0.1.84.1.dsc         initrd-tools_0.1.84.2.dsc
[04:12] <somerville32> initrd-tools_0.1.84.1ubuntu1.dsc  initrd-tools_0.1.84.2ubuntu1.dsc
[04:12] <somerville32> Which dsc's do I debdiff against?
[04:13] <crimsun> current Debian to merged Ubuntu
[04:13] <Hobbsee> zul: :)
[04:13] <somerville32> Current debian being initrd-tools_0.1.84.2.dsc
[04:14] <crimsun> yes
[04:14] <zul> i wouldnt touch initrd-tools
[04:15] <somerville32> debdiff initrd-tools_0.1.84.2.dsc initrd-tools_0.1.84.2ubuntu1.dsc ?
[04:15] <somerville32> zul: Why?
[04:15] <crimsun> cos zul's sane.
[04:15] <LaserJock> :-)
[04:15] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'm not sure we can say that
[04:15] <crimsun> (or insane. It depends whether you snarf xen patches in your sleep like he does.)
[04:15] <zul> somerville32: because there are alot of ubuntu specific changes that you might not be aware of
[04:15] <zul> crimsun: you missed the "in" bit
[04:15] <somerville32> zul: Is not aware of very many! :)
[04:16] <somerville32> Hmm..
[04:16] <somerville32> I already filed the bug though :P
[04:17] <zul> somerville32: and if you mis a bit there would be alot of pissed off users
[04:17] <somerville32> zul: I probably purged them all, lol
[04:31] <somerville32> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3618 <-- appears to be an upload of the debian package or something.
[04:31] <somerville32> nvm
[04:31] <somerville32> They modified the original source tarball
[04:33] <somerville32> zul: Canadian?
[04:33] <zul> yep
[04:33] <somerville32> Moncton?
[04:33] <zul> er...no ottawa
[04:33] <somerville32> lol
[04:34] <somerville32> or sorry, hostname
[04:48] <LaserJock> bah, Hobbsee took off :/
[05:14] <Simon80> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4065 :D
[05:15] <Simon80> once again
[05:17] <LaserJock> sweet, marble made it in
[05:20] <bddebian> LaserJock: Your science bugs list, is it static?
[05:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: updated daily
[05:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: you watch colts vs ravens?
[05:30] <bddebian> No but my frickin' Eagles just lost :'-(
[05:30] <LaserJock> no way!
[05:30] <bddebian> 24 27 New Orleans
[05:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: I just read about the colts winning without either team scoring a touchdown
[05:31] <LaserJock> 5 field goals!
[05:31] <bddebian> Yeah I saw the scores on NFL.com and was like WTF? :)
[05:31] <LaserJock> well bummer, I kinda wanted the Eagles to win that one
[05:38] <Toadstool> guys, forget about your teams, Chargers are going to win the Superbowl :)
[05:38] <LaserJock> puke
[05:39] <Toadstool> heh
[05:44] <bddebian> Damn I'm getting my ass kicked :-(
[05:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: in real life? or just by packages? ;-)
[05:47] <bddebian> NeverWinterNights 2 :-)
[05:51] <LaserJock> bddebian: how much did that cost?
[05:51] <bddebian> Dunno got it for Christmas but I think like 39.99
[05:52] <LaserJock> I played a little wesnoth on my mac the other day
[05:52] <bddebian> Hah, no comparison ;-P
[05:52] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:52] <Toadstool> xmoto? :P
[05:52] <bddebian> heh
[05:53] <jsgotangco> i bought some old gamecube games for the wii
[05:53] <jsgotangco> mostly the hits
[05:55] <LaserJock> I guess I'm too cheap for gaming
[05:55] <LaserJock> I've never owned a video game console
[05:55] <LaserJock> and I don't by games over $20
[05:55] <bddebian> I don't play a lot but I love RPG games
[05:55] <LaserJock> *buy
[05:55] <bddebian> consoles r t3h suXX0r ;-P
[05:56] <LaserJock> every Christmas I do get a week of gaming at my parents house
[05:56] <Burgundavia_> hey jsgotangco
[05:56] <LaserJock> my brother introduced me to halo last christmas
[05:56] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia_: hey dude
[05:56] <jsgotangco> bddebian: :P
[05:56] <jsgotangco> Halo was pretty good
[05:57] <LaserJock> this christmas was a Star Wars game that was pretty cool
[05:57] <jsgotangco> but I bought the back catalog for the scary resident evil games
[05:57] <LaserJock> I just don't have patience for RPG
[05:57] <LaserJock> or many games
[05:57] <LaserJock> I just want to blow things up
[05:58] <LaserJock> I was really addicted to UT2004 and America's Army for a while
[05:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: Which one?  Jedi Knights: Jedi Academy is cool.  And the Knights of the Old Republic ones are awesome
[05:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, I can't remember exactly, but it was number II of whatever it was
[06:09] <bddebian> Gah, could have been KoToR or BattleFronts
[06:09] <LaserJock> oh my goodness
[06:09] <bddebian> Have you played Medal of Honor?
[06:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: ah, BattleFronts shoulds familar
[06:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, I have it
[06:09] <LaserJock> don't really play it much
[06:09] <bddebian> That's a cool one
[06:09] <LaserJock> got stuck after a few months
[06:10] <LaserJock> and haven't had any time (Ubuntu keeps me more than busy)
[06:10] <bddebian> Sorry, not Medal of Honor, I mean Call of Duty
[06:10] <LaserJock> I just got an email that I'm supposed to teach 2 labs of General Chemistry this semester :/
[06:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:11] <jsgotangco> show 'em tiger!
[06:11] <bddebian> w00t
[06:11] <LaserJock> I haven't taught that in like 4 years
[06:11] <jsgotangco> chemisty doesn't change no?
[06:11] <LaserJock> I haven't taught *anything* for at least 2 years
[06:11] <LaserJock> well no, but I'm supposed to be doing research
[06:11] <LaserJock> not grading
[06:12] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[06:12] <LaserJock> I'll have to talk to my boss Tuesday
[06:12] <LaserJock> I think this must be a mistake
[06:12] <LaserJock> oh well, I guess
[06:13] <LaserJock> I don't mind teaching, I just find it odd
[06:13] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe I'd get a raise too ;-)
[06:15] <bddebian> heh
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> Hey, I need bazaar help.  I'm trying to download the ubotu/Ubugtu code, and don't know how.  See https://code.launchpad.net/~dennis/+branch/ubuntu-bots/main.
[06:33] <joejaxx> tonyyarusso: bzr co urlhere?
[06:33] <lifeless> bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~dennis/+branch/ubuntu-bots/main
[06:33] <joejaxx> tonyyarusso: try that
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> k
[06:33] <joejaxx> tonyyarusso: bzr co urlhere
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> Thanks joejaxx, lifeless :)
[06:35] <joejaxx> tonyyarusso: you are most welcome :)
[06:43] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:17] <Jerub> okay! I've made progress with ipsets, which I discussed here briefly the other day
[07:18] <Jerub> I have a kernel that supports iptables.
[07:18] <Jerub> er ipsets.
[07:18] <Jerub> but iptables in ubuntu does not support ipset rules.
[07:19] <ScottK> If there is a MOTU in the house who is available and willing, I'd appreciate a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070.  It's looking for a second sponsor.  
[07:27] <imbrandon> 
[07:42] <manchicken> Anybody here done any work on adept before?
[07:42] <manchicken> persia: I figured out what the build issue was.
[07:42] <persia> manchicken: congratulations.  What was it?
[07:43] <manchicken> I had unsermake installed.  Riddell took a look at my build logs and was like "yeah, uninstall unsermake."
[07:44] <persia> manchicken: Ah.  Autotools is one of those mysteries best left unreplaced, in my opinion :)
[07:44] <manchicken> heh
[07:44] <manchicken> I don't know why/how it got installed.
[07:44] <manchicken> Either way, it builds.
[07:44] <manchicken> Now I'm just trying to follow this code.
[07:45] <manchicken> It's not working well.
[07:45] <manchicken> I'm probably going to have to step through it to figure it out.
[07:47] <Jerub> okay, this is giving me the shits :/
[07:48] <Jerub> basically the 'ipset' module is in universe, but is completely useless
[07:48] <Jerub> because neither the kernel or the iptables packages support ipsets
[08:00] <Simon80> is it valid to request syncing a package from debian unstable?
[08:00] <Simon80> (openarena)
[08:03] <Simon80> anybody?
[08:04] <persia> Simon80: Feisty has passed the DebianImportFreeze at this point, so new packages are not imported lightly.  If you want this, I would recommend checking with MOTU-Games first.
[08:05] <Simon80> is that a channel? and when was this deadline?
[08:06] <Simon80> thanks for a response, btw
[08:06] <ScottK> Dec 21 was the deadline: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[08:06] <persia> Simon80: The deadline was 21st December (openarena missed it by a week).  Motu-Games is a team.
[08:07] <Simon80> err... I phrased that badly, I should have said, do they have a channel, cause now I look stupid
[08:09] <Simon80> so when you say check with motu-games first, what do you mean, send a message to their leader?
[08:11] <persia> Simon80: The team is small.  I don't think they have a channel.  It's a weekend, but you might email them (email is available from LP profiles for registered users).
[08:12] <Simon80> and ask if it's possible to sync it?
[08:12] <Simon80> yay for these deadlines
[08:12] <Simon80> I mean, I'm extra cynical around now, cause edgy is bug-ridden
[08:13] <persia> Simon80: The deadlines are intended to help reduce that.  Edgy was done very quickly, and there was not as much time to fix bugs.
[08:13] <Simon80> yeah, I know
[08:14] <Simon80> what I don't get is why they don't get fixed post-release
[08:15] <ScottK> Good night all.
[08:16] <Simon80> it makes me want to vent
[08:23] <slytherin> I have a question. If I am using automake1.9 while maintaining my program, is it advised to include it as build-dependency in control file?
[08:26] <persia> slytherin: Does your package fail to build with automake1.7?  If you're version-agnostic, it is safe to omit.  If you need a specific version, it is better to include.
[08:27] <slytherin> persia: We developers were having problem since we were using different versions of automake. So one of the developer final change Makefile* and configure* using automake1.9. And probably it will fail to build with 1.7
[08:32] <persia> slytherin: If you need a specific version, it's good to add to build-depends.  Ubuntu defaults to 1.10 today, and is expected to advance the default as new versions are introduced.
[08:32] <slytherin> persia: Ok. I will do so. Thanks.
[08:33] <slytherin> persia: One more question. How much time does it generally takes to get a package accepted as non maintainer upload when added to REVU?
[08:34] <persia> slytherin: It depends on the quality of the packaging, the availability of MOTU reviewers, and the responsiveness of the packager.  Some packages are approved in a few days, and some take weeks.
[08:35] <slytherin> persia: If I am a developer who is working on debian packaging for my own app which is supposed to have a new version 1 week before UVF, What do you suggest? Upload to REVU or file a bug for new version?
[08:41] <Lutin> hay there
[08:41] <persia> slytherin: There are too many variables for an easy answer to that question.  If you are available to support comments/suggestions, an upload to REVU may take less MOTU time.
[08:45] <slytherin> persia: Ok. I will upload to REVU, One last question. Can you please tell me what is cause of this, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1533/
[08:46] <persia> slytherin: Do you use seahorse-agent?  If so, you need to call debuild with --preserve-envvar DISPLAY.  If not, I don't know.
[08:50] <Lutin> slytherin: this might happen because debuild is unable to run the agent. You try to prevent this (if your agent is configured to remember password) by running echo | gpg --sign first
[08:51] <slytherin> Lutin: persia: Let me try both things one by one.
[09:48] <zakame> persia: thanks, please go ahead merging :-)
[09:49] <persia> zakame: Thanks.  It's become more interesting with the python2.5 transition :)
[09:51] <zakame> persia: no prob.  I'm still restricted to help out for the moment due to my location's limited bandwidth :/
[09:51] <persia> zakame: Perfectly understood.  May it improve soon.
[09:53] <zakame> thanks
[01:03] <persia> I've uploaded patches as bugs 79212 and 79214 so that telepathy-gnome can be installed again, if anyone is interested.
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79212 in pymsn "Unsatisfiable depends on python-ctypes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79212
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79214 in telepathy-butterfly "Unsatisfiable depends on python-ctypes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79214
[01:10] <crimsun> this sleep is way overrated
[01:17] <geser> crimsun: are you going to upload the last two debdiffs or should I?
[01:17] <crimsun> I'm working on them
[01:17] <crimsun> (pymsn already uploaded)
[01:19] <imbrandon> sudo nano /etc/crontab
[01:19] <imbrandon> err
[01:19] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.  I'm close to not having any notes on the transition :)
[01:24] <crimsun> imbrandon: I'm wondering if a simple no-change rebuild of your beryl 0.1.2 sources will resolve the "white screen o' death" issue that has appeared post-Herd-2
[01:34] <persia> crimsun: How should the versioned dependency on python-central read?  I've a third (quodlibet), and I'd like to not cause you the extra work yet again.
[01:38] <crimsun> (>= 0.5.6)
[01:38] <persia> crimsun: Thanks.
[01:38] <crimsun> I actually had quodlibet done, but go ahead and do it
[01:39] <persia> crimsun: If you've done it, I should again?
[01:41] <crimsun> persia: I haven't uploaded
[01:41] <crimsun> so, go ahead, and I'll sponsor :)
[01:41] <imbrandon> crimsun, pissibly
[01:41] <persia> crimsun: I can't upload, but generating a bug.  Thanks.
[01:41] <imbrandon> err
[01:41] <crimsun> persia: (wrt to tightening, I'm following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy )
[01:43] <imbrandon> crimsun, i'd actualy like to update it to 0.1.4 but i've been on my 4 day strech ( i'm off for 3 days after 12pm )
[01:43] <imbrandon> heh
[01:44] <geser> imbrandon: how should beryl bugs be answered for packages from beryl-project? e.g. bug #79216
[01:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79216 in beryl-manager "beryl manager's crash" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79216
[01:44] <imbrandon> geser, politely tell them to use the upsteam bug tracker ( or if you are feeling nice you  can report it upstream and link the bugs )
[01:45] <geser> and reject it?
[01:45] <imbrandon> depends on the action you take, the former yes, the later no
[01:46] <crimsun> imbrandon: np
[01:46] <imbrandon> hrm 
[01:56] <persia> How important is matching the New Python Policy?  Is it worth causing errors on install?  Alternately, is it worth switching from python-support (used by Debian) to python-central?
[02:07] <crimsun> persia: the policy doesn't mandate the use of one over the other
[02:07] <crimsun> that said, one should be used
[02:09] <persia> crimsun: I've been playing with boa-constructor.  The Debian maintainer chose python-support, and deleted the postinst and prerm scripts, causing #399276.  python-central supports excluding directories with -x, and would allow the restoration of the postinst and prerm.  This wouldn't quite be a merge, and I'm not sure about making the alternate choice from the Debian maintainer, given the interest in absorbing Debian improveme
[02:10] <crimsun> bug 399276
[02:10] <crimsun> debian 399276
[02:10] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 399276 in boa-constructor "SyntaxError installing after python transition" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/399276
[02:13] <luks> hi, can somebody please take a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78549
[02:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78549 in Ubuntu "Please sync libdiscid (0.1.0-1) from Debian unstable main" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:14] <luks> auto-syncing from debian managed to break a package, and it seems I need a motu to review the new debian package
[02:14] <luks> the package actually was made on feisty, so it works just fine
[02:14] <_Enchained> Hi
[02:16] <persia> luks: Subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors@tauware.de to automatically email those MOTUs that have volunteered to review non-MOTU assistance about the SYNC request.  One of them will likely ACK it when they have time.
[02:18] <crimsun> persia: sorry about quodlibet; tollef already did that one
[02:19] <persia> crimsun: No worries.  It was his comments on -devel that led to my understanding of how to restore the installation of the packages removed by the transition.  I'm not worried about karma (I think I have enough), just trying to help.
[02:20] <crimsun> off to work
[02:34] <Adri2000> !seen neutrinomass
[02:34] <ubotu> neutrinomass is on IRC right now!
[02:56] <_Enchained> anyone to a little review ?...
[02:56] <_Enchained> s/to/for
[02:58] <imbrandon> dont work too hard crimsun , l8tr
[03:01] <nixternal> crimsun: woohoo! so I shall have "better" sound soon then :)
[03:01] <nixternal> heya imbrandon 
[03:03] <imbrandon> heya nixternal 
[03:04] <zakame> hi all
[03:04] <nixternal> hiya zakame 
[03:04] <nixternal> imbrandon: how's the job going?
[03:05] <_Enchained> I have a lintian error how can I fix it : W: alltray: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/liballtray.so.0.0.0 usr/lib/liballtray.so W: alltray: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames liballtray0
[03:05] <imbrandon> nixternal, good good
[03:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:05] <nixternal> good to hear, my job ended and it is back to school for me this week...yay! 
[03:06] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:06] <nixternal> bah is more like it :)
[03:20] <imbrandon> heh
[05:03] <white> hmm is there a way to get subscribed to new packages which are added to universe (or even better new packages for universe which are not in debian)
[05:14] <stgraber> white: there is the feisty-changes mailinglist, but you'll receive a message every update of a package in feisty, not only universe ones and not only new ones
[05:14] <white> bah, that means tons of mails :(
[05:15] <stgraber> depends of the day, but for your case it means 90% of useless mails yes
[05:21] <white> hmm i thought there might be a special way as the information are parsed somehow to the packages.ubuntu.com side
[06:05] <imbrandon> p.u.c is outdated alot, you could probably do a custom search on LP or use mdt to make a script for you
[06:07] <lakin> Where can I find changelogs for certain packages?
[06:07] <imbrandon> changelogs.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <lakin> thx
[06:09] <white> imbrandon: hmm yeah, i will try to nudge frank as he should have such a script for p.u.c, thanks :)
[06:10] <imbrandon> white, actualy like i said you would be better using mdt , not the scripts from p.u.c
[06:10] <imbrandon> as thats what it was designed for
[06:11] <white> mdt?
[06:12] <imbrandon> multi distro tool
[06:12] <imbrandon> check revu for the source/package 
[06:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:12] <white> right, i'll look into it
[06:12] <white> ta
[06:13] <imbrandon> http://voyager.imbrandon.com/mdt/feisty/all.html
[06:13] <imbrandon> output like this ^^
[06:13] <imbrandon> although you probably only want the output from http://voyager.imbrandon.com/mdt/feisty/all.html#notinA or http://voyager.imbrandon.com/mdt/feisty/all.html#notinB
[06:13] <white> ah yeah that is the stuff i looked into (on the utnubu page) and wrote some mails
[06:14] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiDistroTools
[06:14] <imbrandon> there ya go
[06:14] <white> ta
[06:16] <ScottK> If there is a MOTU here that is available and willing, I'd appreciate a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070.  It's looking for a second sponsor.  
[06:16] <palski> why carpatunnel is in merges list? Only difference between debian and ubuntu packages in changelog 
[06:17] <palski> patches.ubuntu.com diffs ubuntu version against debian stable version?
[06:19] <imbrandon> patches isnt a diff from anywhere, its the patches that are included in the /debian folder of uploads
[06:22] <palski> "These patches are generated daily and contain the differences between an Ubuntu source package and the equivalent version of the same source in Debian."?
[06:32] <palski> it seems that carpaltunnel version number is 0.0.9ubuntu2 and it is synced from debian unstable 0.0.9-0.1 so patches.ubuntu.com still contains differences against debian 0.0.9 because of versio number weirdned
[06:40] <tsmithe> if i'm the author of a package, why is it unwise to include the debian/ dir in the .orig?
[07:46] <jonake112> hoi mense
[07:46] <jonake112> kan iemand mij misschien helpe 
[08:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[08:27] <Lutin> heya bddebian
[08:27] <ScottK> Heay
[08:28] <ScottK> heya
[08:28] <bddebian> Hi Lutin, ScottK
[08:29] <bddebian> heh
[08:29] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[08:30] <bddebian> Actually and my reviews are probably only worth about 1/4 of an MOTU so.. ;-P
[08:32] <tsmithe> if i'm the author of a package, why is it unwise to include the debian/ dir in the .orig?
[08:33] <siretart> tsmithe: why should you do that? keep the packaging in the .diff.gz and upstream work in the orig.tar.gz. that makes reviewing easier
[08:33] <bddebian> tsmithe: Debian thinks it's bad form :)
[08:33] <tsmithe> ah ok
[08:33] <tsmithe> i was just being lazy
[08:33] <siretart> it makes a package headaches when he tries to review the .diff.gz
[08:34] <tsmithe> ah ok
[08:34] <siretart> a packager
[08:35] <tsmithe> :)
[08:35] <tsmithe> siretart, bddebian; either of you free for revuage?
[08:36] <ajmitch> morning
[08:36] <siretart> later
[08:37] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:37] <ScottK> Where is here?
[08:37] <ajmitch> where in the world would it be monday morning? :)
[08:37] <bddebian> tsmithe: Possibly in a bit
[08:37] <tsmithe> bddebian, thanks
[08:39] <ScottK> siretart: If you would add these to your list for later, I'd appreciate a look when you have the time - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071
[08:39] <ScottK> ajmitch: Australia or NZ, I would guess, but there are other possibitlies too.
[08:41] <ajmitch> new zealand
[08:41] <tsmithe> bddebian, oh yeah - guess you want upids, 4067 and 3892 please
[08:47] <ScottK> It could have been Fiji - http://www.worldtimezone.com/time/wtzresult.php?CiID=12953&forma=24h
[08:49] <bddebian> Yes, because God knows we don't have enough broken shit in the archive yet :)
[08:51] <ScottK> bddebian: I think this is the last new one for a while and it won't be broken.  Promise.
[08:52] <AstralJava> bddebian: It
[08:52] <AstralJava> sorry
[08:52] <AstralJava> It's gonna get some more soon. :)
[09:24] <bddebian> tsmithe: Give me package names please
[09:26] <tsmithe> alsa-tools
[09:26] <tsmithe> alsa-firmware
[09:26] <tsmithe> thanks
[09:37] <bddebian> tsmithe: No way man, if it says "alsa", I ph3ar crimsun :)
[09:39] <tsmithe> meh
[09:39] <tsmithe> crimsun, ?
[09:39] <tsmithe> bddebian, you could give it a go anyway?
[09:41] <ScottK> tsmithe: Take it easy on bddebian, he's probably exhausted from all the old package archiving he's been doing (It was a lot).
[09:42] <bddebian> tsmithe: I'll take a look, I'm just messing with ya
[09:42] <tsmithe> ScottK, ;)
[10:00] <Lutin> bddebian: I uploaded a new version of kayali. could you have a look  at it when you'll have some time ?
[10:47] <Adri2000> persia: here?
[10:49] <Adri2000> persia: file a bug report in Debian for flpsed's .desktop file please
[11:20] <Lutin> ajmitch: are you there ?
[11:22] <ajmitch> nope
[11:24] <ajmitch> if you have a question, ask it
[11:41] <Adri2000> Keybuk is the author of MoM, right?
[11:42] <Nafallo> yes
[11:42] <Nafallo> he made his mom
[11:44] <Adri2000> :D
[12:01] <Lutin> thanks bddebian :)
[12:01] <bddebian> np