[12:26] <jenda> Seveas: thx
[12:35] <Seveas> nzk, no need to complain in here
[12:36] <Seveas> you know damn well what !ops does
[12:36] <nzk> Seveas, I'm sorry! I didn't know! I thought that command only listed the ops, not called them!
[12:36] <nzk> No I didnt :(
[12:36] <DBO> listing = calling
[12:36] <nzk> Please, can you unban me? It was an honest mistake.
[12:36] <Seveas> hell no
[12:37] <nzk> Why? Its not that big of a deal.
[12:37] <Seveas> it is if the list of bans you already earned is a page long on the bantracker
[12:37] <Seveas> goodbye
[12:37] <Seveas> btw:
[12:37] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [nzk*!*@*]  has been added to the autoremove list for #ubuntu-offtopic with reason [] 
[12:38] <Seveas> he already has ab autorem entry in #ubuntu
[12:38] <Hawkwind> Wow, so he's got a bit of a track record it seems
[12:38] <tonyyarusso> What's the advantage of autorem over a usual ban?
[12:39] <Seveas> autorems can only be removed by me ;)
[12:39] <tonyyarusso> Aaah
[12:39] <Seveas> and if you remove the ban, the autorem reinstates it when he joins
[12:39] <tonyyarusso> handy
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> why?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> a guy querying me, wanting to know if i'm female, etc
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> aaaah
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:28]  <Berke^> hi
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:28]  <Hobbsee> hi
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:28]  <Berke^> what is your name?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:29]  <Berke^> what is your name?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:29]  <Hobbsee> why do you wish to know?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:29]  <Berke^> ok
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:29]  <Berke^> dont say that
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:29]  <Berke^> say that plz
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:29]  <Berke^> ar u a girl or a guy
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:30]  <Hobbsee> why do you wish to know?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:30]  <Berke^> because
[02:36] <Hobbsee> [12:31]  <Berke^> if u a girl I will try to speak wth u
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:31]  <Hobbsee> why?
[02:37] <PriceChild> what a line!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:32]  <Berke^> I want to meet a girl
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:32]  <Berke^> ok?
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> wow
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:32]  <Berke^> did u understand
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:32]  <Hobbsee> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27
[02:37] <PriceChild> I didn't think he could top that but he did!
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> Some are more pathetic than previously thought possible.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:34]  <Berke^> so
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:34]  <Berke^> u wont speak with me?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:34]  <Hobbsee> clearly you know i'm a girl, else you wouldnt have queried me.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:34]  <Hobbsee> otu of all the people in #ubuntu
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:35]  <Berke^> yeah
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:35]  <Berke^> but
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:35]  <Berke^> I dont know your name
[02:37] <Hobbsee> [12:35]  <Berke^> would u say plz
[02:38] <Hobbsee> [12:35]  <Berke^> ?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> annoying.
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> Has he never met /whois?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:38] <maxamillion> Hobbsee: you're female?
[02:38] <LjL> (whoops!)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> [12:36]  <Berke^> r u ther
[02:39] <Hobbsee> [12:36]  <Berke^> e
[02:39] <Hobbsee> [12:36]  <Hobbsee> no
[02:39] <Hobbsee> he clearly has - he's found me from #ubuntu
[02:39] <Hobbsee> maxamillion: *glare*
[02:39] <Hobbsee> duh
[02:39] <maxamillion> Hobbsee: whoa ... sorry, didn't know
[02:40] <maxamillion> no need for "duh"s or glaring, it was a legit question ... not like i walked up to you in the grocery store and wasn't able to tell
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: True enough - but she's in a glare-y mood for obvious reasons (this happens way too often)
[02:41] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: fair enough, i could understand the frustrations ...
[02:41] <LjL> Hobbsee: he found you from #ubuntu, still he joined it just less than 2 minutes before querying you
[02:42] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: i legitimately didn't know, i think its great that there is a female devel ... there are far too few in the open source world or even the software development world in general
[02:43] <LjL> how's it that hobbsee's away and Hobbsee|NotHere is not anyway? :P
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Most likely b/c of the sort of treatment pasted :(
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> LjL: lol
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Great link btw
[02:44] <PriceChild> LjL, some things we'll just never know :)
[02:44] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: yeah, i don't doubt it .... sad as it is
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: There's another awesome article about...
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> !women
[02:44] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> That one
[02:44] <maxamillion> oh cool
[02:45] <maxamillion> yeah, i have actually met one hard core debian supporting female who was an awesome perl hacker, i was excited ... so we chatted linux for a couple hours :P
[02:48] <somerville32> ...
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> This link confuses me a little bit though.  There are girls on the internet, just not in certain places.  I mean, look at my Gaim buddy list.
[02:49] <LjL> maybe they know better, hobbsee being an exception
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> Currently online?  5 guys.  21 girls.
[02:50] <PriceChild> haha
[02:50] <LjL> (or maybe they know worse for that matter)
[02:50] <maxamillion> PriceChild: how goes it?
[02:50] <PriceChild> hey maxamillion :)
[02:50] <PriceChild> I'm good...
[02:51] <PriceChild> my hosting got hit again yesterday.... lupine didn't warn me he was putting a new release of beryl on :P
[02:51] <maxamillion> ahhhh 
[02:51] <PriceChild> and exams are over woot!
[02:51] <maxamillion> no good :(
[02:51] <PriceChild> how about you?
[02:51] <PriceChild> (hehe hosting going down isn't exactly the end of the world :P )
[02:51] <maxamillion> exams .. over? ... i just started my semester 3 days agp
[02:51] <maxamillion> ago*
[02:53] <Hobbsee> maxamillion: yeah, i am :)  a whois would tell you that, also the paste would have told you, if you'd read it :)
[02:53] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, I currently have 67 males and 9 females online
[02:53] <Hobbsee> LjL: Hobbsee|NotHere is on a different machine
[02:53] <LjL> i guessed as much
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Well...my friends aren't a representative sample
[02:54] <LjL> especially after considering the username and realname differences
[02:54] <Hobbsee> and they quit 3 mins after the last message
[02:54] <LjL> yup
[02:55] <maxamillion> Hobbsee: well, i skimmed the paste but i guess i missed that part :/
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:02] <LjL> [03:02:12]  --> High^Life has joined this channel (n=dcesiel@d14-69-192-137.try.wideopenwest.com). <- dangerous hostname this
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> Yes, I have.
[03:03] <LjL> the nick, not sure
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Remove the ^
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> Looks harmless to me
[03:07] <LjL> don't have the nick in my logs, anyway probably just a similar hostname of course. but try.wideopenwest.com is uncommon enough for me to have it highlighted
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Ah, that's APPRECIATEIT [n=tmccrary@d14-69-160-83.try.wideopenwest.com
[03:08] <LjL> yeah, though somehow i don't think that would be his normal nickname. but yeah, he never seemed to change his ident before
[03:08] <LjL> you never know though, sometimes they can reappear after weeks... :o)
[03:09] <somerville32> That hostname is banned from #xubuntu
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> Someone with ubotu-fu?
[03:57] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, hmm?
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: It's this "also" thing still
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/77045, and try to do it for something.
[03:59] <somerville32> !somerville32 is <reply> somerville32 is the coolest kid on the block!
[03:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that, somerville32
[03:59] <somerville32> !somerville32 is also ...or not!
[03:59] <ubotu> somerville32 is already known
[04:00] <somerville32> !somerville32 is <also> ...or not!
[04:00] <ubotu> somerville32 is already known
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> See what I mean?
[04:00] <somerville32> !somerville32 is also xubuntu
[04:00] <ubotu> somerville32 is already known
[04:00] <somerville32> !somerville32 is <also> xubuntu
[04:00] <ubotu> somerville32 is already known
[04:00] <somerville32> heh
[04:00] <somerville32> !forget somerville32
[04:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that, somerville32
[04:00] <somerville32> !foo
[04:00] <ubotu> foo is barr
[04:00] <somerville32> !bar
[04:02] <Burgundavia> somerville32: what exactly are you doing?
[04:03] <somerville32> Burgundavia, debugging
[04:03] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Yes. I see what you mean.
[04:03] <Burgundavia> right
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: I think you may have disregarded bug 77045 too hastily - could you please look again?
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77045 in ubuntu-bots ""is also" is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77045
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: He has a point - maybe shorter than usual
[04:13] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: yeah, rpobably only for a few min
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Sounds good to me
[04:14] <Hobbsee> tomFeel free to take it off whenever you like
[04:14] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: Feel free to take it off whenever you like
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> I totally misread that...given previous convo
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> :P
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> k
[04:15] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: hrm?
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Rearrange a few letters, and I thought you were pasting more annoying pms
[04:17] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: hrm?  i'm still lost.  my nick completion doesnt follow my brain, only my fingers.
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: nvm me
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How do you dispose of 20 000 lbs of surplus sodium?
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Drop it in a lake and video tape it!
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3825610222960975525
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> woot
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> now way...
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> *no
[07:18] <tonyyarusso> Wow
[07:53] <Madpilot> PuMpErNiCkLe, very cool
[07:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> :)
[01:49] <xipietotec> grr....racists keep coming into offtopic
[01:51] <jenda> wow... Seveas, interesting solution...
[01:51] <mc44> works everytime :)
[01:51] <Seveas> yeah, let's mut'em all
[01:51] <xipietotec> lol
[02:00] <PriceChild> could we change the topic in +1 please? AFAIK feisty's python package backlog has been done
[02:01] <Amaranth> yep, python transition is done to the point where ubuntu-desktop is installable
[02:02] <PriceChild> there's a bit at the end of the topic saying don't upgrade till the line is removed...
[02:02] <PriceChild> thankyou Seveas 
[02:02] <Amaranth> i know :)
[02:03] <Amaranth> Seveas: PM?
[02:04] <Seveas> Amaranth, sure
[02:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, PriceChild said: !ubuntustats is a site that shows stats for several of the popular channels, see http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/
[02:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, Amaranth said: !stats-#ubuntuforums is <reply>http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/ubuntuforums/
[02:33] <Amaranth> ooh, i keep forgetting i can't do that anymore
[02:34] <jenda> !ubuntustats is a site that shows stats for several popular Ubuntu-related channels, see http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/
[02:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jenda said: !ubuntustats is a site that shows stats for several popular Ubuntu-related channels, see http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/
[02:34] <Amaranth> Seveas: can you add that factoid for me?
[02:35] <PriceChild> probs best to call the factoid "stats".... "ubuntustats" is too long :P
[02:36] <Amaranth> PriceChild: each channel has their own channel-specific !stats
[02:37] <Amaranth> well, that's the idea i'm trying to get everyone to go along with :)
[02:37] <PriceChild> Amaranth, yeah, but point them to the base url and they can choose what channel they want
[06:42] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, TheStonepedo said: ubotu: rockbox is Rockbox: Open Source Jukebox Firmware - An open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[06:43] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MuffY said: ubotu: explosion is explosions: One of the greatest things chemistry gave us. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion or http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Explosion for more information.
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> !rockbox
[06:56] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> meh
[07:26] <e1> hey i got banned in #winehq for no reason, i was asking about what wine cvs is and how i can get it, cuz i saw it on winehq.com, and some dude called vitamin kicks me off the room after giving me links after links that led nowhere, and then he said go ask someone else, and when i did, he banned me, can someone ban him...?
[07:27] <PriceChild> e1, this is an ubuntu channel, nothing to do with wine sorry
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> e1: No
[07:27] <e1> o i'm not asking about wine, i'm just asking why i got banned at all..
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> e1: #1, we don't have control over that channel, #2 there's no reason for revengeful banning
[07:28] <e1> o yeah i meant that sort of as a joke, just complaining, i was only asking a question in that channel
[07:28] <e1> is there some place i could report this?
[07:28] <e1> sorry for being in the wrong channel but this was the only op channel i knew
[07:28] <PriceChild> e1, I first suggest you speak to the op that banned you over pm. See if you can make up there
[07:29] <e1> ok
[07:32] <e1> hmm i msged him asking why i got banned, and even posted his msg to me telling me to ask someone else, i had no answer =( is there some other way, sorrie to be bothering u with this, i guess i could try rejoin that channel, see if i can
[07:33] <e1> nope, can't join that channel, o well
[07:34] <jenda> e1: I'll have a look at it.
[07:35] <e1> thx
[07:35] <jenda> e1: could you email me the log?
[07:35] <jenda> e1: jenda at ubuntu dot com
[07:37] <e1> i don't have a copy of the log of the conversation, i only had the chance to copy one line which is the line when i msged back his own msg telling me to ask again, then i was banned when i did ask, and then (using xchat), when i typed the /join command for this channel, the winehq channel tab closed by itself, and i can't get back in
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> no autolog?
[07:38] <e1> i don't know where it is, i hope there is, new to xchat and linux overall =)
[07:39] <jenda> e1: should be in your-home-dir/.xchat2/xchatlogs/Freenode-#winehq.log
[07:39] <e1> i tried " window -> raw log " in xchat, it was empty, doesn't even have the log for this one
[07:39] <e1> ok
[07:39] <e1> let me check there, thx so much
[07:42] <e1> no, under /home/computer/.xchat2/ i have an empty download folder, besides that i just have 7 configuration files: colors.conf, ignore.conf, keybindings.conf, notify.conf, and servlist_.conf,  sound.conf, and xchat.conf
[07:43] <e1> it might still be there tho, maybe i'm not turning the proper things on to view it? cuz i remember i couldn't find my emails files that's supposed to be downloaded on disk couple days ago either
[07:43] <e1> the manual for the email client also pointed to some folder that had a dot in front of it
[07:43] <e1> but i couldn't find it =(
[07:43] <PriceChild> You have to enable logging in xchat2.... its disabled by defualt
[07:45] <e1> o, could someone msg vitamin then, to make him copy and paste the whole conversation?
[07:46] <e1> o and i just now enabled logging i guess, found it under preferences
[08:10] <Terry_L> hello...is Seveas present?
[08:11] <Hawkwind> Terry_L: Not real sure, is there something we can help you with ?
[08:11] <Terry_L> yes...if you don't mind
[08:11] <Terry_L> yesterday, via a band "vote"  (Im new to chat channels)...Seveas
[08:12] <Terry_L> banned me from #ubuntu, I was told yesterday for 24 hours
[08:12] <Terry_L> it was for spam
[08:12] <Seveas> there are no set dates for bans
[08:12] <Terry_L> Its been over 24 hours
[08:12] <Seveas> especially if people keep asking to be unbanned, the bans only last longer
[08:12] <Terry_L> and I was wondering if I could be allowed back in
[08:13] <Terry_L> hello Seveas...
[08:13] <Terry_L> I was just explaining
[08:13] <Terry_L> I apologized yesterday, and asked that they pass it on to you
[08:13] <Hawkwind> Terry_L: Best thing to do is just wait it out.  If you're told 24 hours, and it's been 3 - 4 days, then it might be a bit more appropriate to ask about the ban then.  Usually asking right at 24 - 30 hours isn't a good thing
[08:14] <Terry_L> ok, np
[08:14] <tsmithe> oh nothing
[08:14] <Seveas> PriceChild, ;)
[08:14] <Terry_L> I'm 40 and am simply saying I was being silly...I have legitimate Ubuntu questions to ask
[08:14] <Terry_L> thanks guys
[08:15] <Terry_L> take care and have a good weekend
[08:15] <Hawkwind> Terry_L: You do the same
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[08:18] <GazzaK> ---> most of them like hurting me..... :'(
[08:21] <tsmithe> specially PriceChild :P
[08:21] <tsmithe> *hide*
[08:22] <jenda> GazzaK: we all thought you like it, honest.
[08:23] <PriceChild> maybe a little too much....
[08:23] <PriceChild> :P
[08:24] <GazzaK> it's not just you two, this is institutionalised abuse!!! :p
[08:46] <jmichaelx> hey all, i was banned from #ubuntu due apparently to an exploit. if possible, could someone please readmit me? i changed my port to 8001.
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> jmichaelx: /j ##tonyyarusso for testing please
[08:46] <jmichaelx> tonyyarusso: is that what i need to enter?
[08:46] <jmichaelx> ok nevermind
[08:47] <jmichaelx> ok
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> jmichaelx: See if you can enter now.
[08:48] <jmichaelx> ok will do
[08:48] <jmichaelx> tonyyarusso: yep, i'm in
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> awesome
[08:48] <jmichaelx> thanks for the assistance
[09:31] <angstmachine> could i get some assistance from someone? i feel i was unfairly banned from #ubuntu.
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> Sorry, I don't have time.  Anyone else about?
[09:32] <Hawkwind> Who banned you and why ?
[09:33] <angstmachine> seveas banned me. i accidentally flooded the channel. i miss-typed the command to send a private message when i pasted a log.
[09:34] <ubotu> In ubotu, Caleb said: what is this?
[09:34] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: Was this your first time to flood the channel ?  
[09:35] <Terry_L> hello guys...
[09:35] <Terry_L> as I'm watching this, I flooded for the first time yesterday, I'm entirely new to chat software, period
[09:35] <Terry_L> I apologized, and I'm still waiting after the 24 hr ban
[09:36] <Terry_L> can I please be left back in
[09:36] <PriceChild> Terry_L, 24 hours is just a guideline
[09:36] <Terry_L> OK, but haven't I paid a price for spamming 5 lines of chat?
[09:36] <PriceChild> Terry_L, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:37] <angstmachine> if i might make a suggestion: it seems terribly harsh to ban users on a support channel who are clearly newbies.
[09:37] <angstmachine> istakes are very easy to make.
[09:37] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: Seveas is really the only one who can unban you, or speak to you on the issue.  I wasn't in the channel and don't know your history, so I can't give you any information unfortunately
[09:37] <PriceChild> angstmachine, in the meantime you may also want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines quickly
[09:38] <Seveas> same applies to Terry_L 
[09:38] <Terry_L> seveas...and if you look at your log, you seen the gentleman that sugg the ban to your called me a moron 2 or 3 times?
[09:39] <angstmachine> msg hawkwind i tried to talk to seveas about it, but they ignored me. i tried to apologize to the channel, as i have read the conduct and the guidelines. it was simple user error.
[09:39] <Seveas> angstmachine, no need to pm... 
[09:39] <Seveas> Terry_L, you can't disagree that you gave him a reason to do so
[09:39] <Seveas> you were acting like a moron
[09:40] <angstmachine> clearly i screwed up pming anyway so it doesn't matter... i'm really very new to all this. i was just trying to get help.
[09:40] <Seveas> whether you are one or not is a different matter
[09:40] <Terry_L> Oh, I understand now
[09:40] <DBO> Seveas, perhaps i am out of line here
[09:40] <DBO> but even though he was being a moron
[09:40] <DBO> hes not being one now...
[09:40] <DBO> and hes showing at least some kind of remorse
[09:40] <Seveas> DBO, no, now he's just annoying and repeatedly asking to be unbanned
[09:40] <Terry_L> DBO knows I was on here yesterday apologizing
[09:41] <Terry_L> I even asked it to pass it along to you, my friend
[09:41] <Hawkwind> Apologizing is a good thing, but that doesn't necessarily mean your actions aren't still subject to punishment
[09:41] <Terry_L> I do realize I was being childish but didn't think spamming a line 5 times was going to get me booted
[09:41] <Terry_L> I do understand the circumstances now tho
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Terry_L: Now you know and hopefully you learn from your mistakes.  That's the best thing that can happen
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Terry_L: So you're saying you're still banned from the channel ?
[09:43] <angstmachine> is there a general administrator of this server that i could e-mail my concerns to?
[09:44] <PriceChild> angstmachine, Seveas is head of the irc council for ubuntu
[09:44] <PriceChild> (or part of the irc council if not head of it....)
[09:44] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: Freenode staff really doesn't get involved in channel issues.  So it's best to really solve the problem here if there really is a problem
[09:44] <Seveas> angstmachine, you can appeal in here, you were heared and I didn't hear anyone disagree
[09:44] <Seveas> PriceChild, the council is a bit disfunctional now it misses a member
[09:45] <PriceChild> Seveas, code it a new one ;)
[09:45] <Seveas> lol
[09:45] <Seveas> I cannot code an ompaul
[09:45] <Seveas> so we need to pick a new one
[09:47] <PriceChild> :)
[09:47] <ubotu> PriceChild, that would be hard
[09:47] <PriceChild> Hawkwind, well if you look at channel stats he is a VERY active member...
[09:47] <PriceChild> lot of experience
[09:47] <Hawkwind> PriceChild: Hah, true
[09:48] <PriceChild> Im' slightly worried he's easily prone to persuasion by others.... some may even take that as far as calling it "control"...
[09:48] <ubotu> I can't be controlled!
[09:48] <PriceChild> ubotu, be quiet and have a treat....
[09:48] <PriceChild> !botsnack
[09:48] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:49] <PriceChild> see!!! that's exactly what I'm talking about
[09:49] <ubotu> thanks PriceChild!
[09:50] <jenda> PriceChild: well he certainly took no heed of the 'be quiet' part...
[09:51] <Seveas> jenda, please cloak Amaranth
[09:51] <jenda> Gladly :)
[09:53] <jenda> Seveas, Amaranth: done
[09:53] <Seveas> nice
[09:55] <angstmachine> okay, well not to continue to beat a dead horse, but who is charge of the writing the IRC guidelines on the wiki? or the code of conduct?
[09:57] <Seveas> irc guidelines: us
[09:57] <Seveas> coc: the community council
[09:58] <PriceChild> Seveas, Joey Stanford just blogged on planet about how he's just found your source-o-matic :)
[09:58] <Seveas> PriceChild, I know
[10:02] <jenda> haha
[10:02] <jenda> !easysource
[10:02] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:03] <jenda> ooh
[10:03] <jenda> supports edgy _and_ feisty :)
[10:09] <angstmachine> okay well apparently this channel is my only recourse so what follows is my formal suggestion to the administration (i hope this doesn't count as flooding ;))::
[10:09] <angstmachine> The support channels should be a place where new users are able to go and get help, whatever their level of ability, or knowledge. Learning to use linux is a difficult proposition for any computer user, especially for users who have only ever had experience in mac or windows. But to then have to study the commands for IRC, if they are new to that as well, and be expected to exectute those commands as well as an experie
[10:09] <angstmachine> nced user is asking alot! Channels like #ubuntu, #kubuntu, ect should not punish these users for thier inexperience. If rules are violated users should be made aware of the mistake, given an opportunity to apologize, and if neccisarry kicked and made to re-connect. this should be sufficient to resolve most issues with in-experienced users. I understand to those familiar with IRC find these mistakes annoying, but the us
[10:09] <angstmachine> ers in a support channel should expect thesekind of mistakes as par for the course. We do not all log on with the same level of ability, and if we truly wish to make this OS available to as many peopleas possible we should be able to allow for different levels of ability, and treat those who might be less experienced with us with EVEN MORE care than we would treat our equals or betters.
[10:10] <Hawkwind> Ever heard of pastebin ?
[10:10] <PriceChild> angstmachine, I think its reasonable you also read guidelines
[10:12] <angstmachine> i read the guidelines... you understand i'm new to IRC. i merely came here to get help and i have been treated rudely since i logged on. maybe i have a different vision for how this all should work,
[10:12] <angstmachine> maybe if there was a #newbie channel
[10:13] <PriceChild> angstmachine, if you've read the guidelines then I'm sure you can agree they're very reasonable and there's no reason why you shouldn't follow them in the future whilst in #ubuntu* channels
[10:14] <angstmachine> i just don't want someone who is more inexperienced than me to have the experience that i did. they may never comeback, re-install windows and never look back.
[10:14] <angstmachine> i didn't violate guidelines on purpose though... if i was purposely trying to make people mad i might have deserved a ban...
[10:15] <angstmachine> i don't care if not dropping the subject gets me banned permanently, i feel i was mistreated, and that this policy should change.
[10:16] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: Are you still banned from the channel ?
[10:17] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: PM'ing users without permission happens to be considered rude.  If/When someone asks you a question here, you should answer them here.  Please refrain from doing those things
[10:17] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: So I'll ask you again, are you still banned from the channel, meaning, have you even tried to join the channel again ?
[10:18] <angstmachine> sorry, according to bugbot i am still banned. thank you for letting me know that by the way.
[10:18] <Hawkwind> angstmachine: Ok, but have you tried joining the channel ?
[10:19] <angstmachine> i have been unbanned.
[10:19] <Hawkwind> Let me shed some light on something.........
[10:19] <Hawkwind> You've been unbanned this entire time you've been complaining about it actually.  You were unbanned just a few minutes after the original ban was placed
[10:20] <Hawkwind> I discovered nearly one hour ago that you were unbanned actually.  
[10:21] <angstmachine> that's fine. do you understand why i've been in here making suggestions to you all? it was very VERY frustrating to be treated so poorly, and i would hope that you will take my suggestions to heart.
[10:22] <angstmachine> i will now be turning to this avenue of support as an absolute last resort because of this experience.
[10:23] <angstmachine> thank you all for putting up with me. i'll leave you alone now.
[10:37] <somerville32> heh
[10:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> wow
[10:47] <somerville32> PuMpErNiCkLe, What?
[10:47] <PuMpErNiCkLe> He clearly put a lot of effort into that.
[10:56] <Seveas> some people always need to have the last word
[10:56] <Seveas> Only thing to say is *shrug* or meh
[10:58] <jenda> hmm
[10:59] <Seveas> or that ;)
[11:00] <jenda> I must admit I partly agree with that guy. We can't afford to provide an offputting support environment to our users. That would make us fall to the level of other distros. We are the distro for human beings, you know.
[11:00] <jenda> That doesn't refer to any of these cases, however, as I didn't follow them.
[11:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What are people's opinions on +b versus +q?
[11:16] <Seveas> in this case I think it would have resulted in join/part flooding
[12:00] <ubotu> In ubotu, bobleny said: What is 2+2?