[12:26] <bradley_> the kernel is now:  2.6.17-10-generic #2
[12:27] <crimsun> you had edgy-proposed active?
[12:27] <crimsun> and it [sound]  "went all wonky"?
[12:27] <mr_> i'm usually writing latex, not on lyx, so I don't know exactly. But there must be some menu to change the head of the document and the documentclass and so on
[12:27] <crimsun> please provide more details
[12:27] <mr_> i'm usually writing latex, not on lyx, so I don't know exactly. But there must be some menu to change the head of the document and the documentclass and so on
[12:28] <bradley_> crimsun, yes... i had edgy-proposed active, and the music will often sound much like a cassette walkman with dying batteries.
[12:29] <crimsun> bradley_: I need more details
[12:29] <bradley_> but sometimes it will play fine.
[12:29] <crimsun> namely, which driver, which model audio hardware, which players are affected with what type music files, etc.
[12:30] <Jester45> i should of bought a nvidia
[12:30] <bradley_> none of the media apps seem to work exaile, mplayer vlc, most of my music is in mp3 format
[12:31] <bradley_> audio hardware:  0 [I82801CAICH3   ] : ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3   Intel 82801CA-ICH3 with YMF753 at 0x1000, irq 10
[12:31] <bradley_> and how do i find which driver?
[12:32] <mr_> anyone could help me installing my pcmcia lan card?! It worked on damn small linux, but not under xubuntu?!
[12:32] <mr_> anyone could help me installing my pcmcia lan card?! It worked on damn small linux, but not under xubuntu?! It's an TDK LAN + GMS card
[12:34] <cellofellow> mr_: let's start with lspcmcia in a terminal
[12:35] <mr_> @cellofellow: okay let me check that...
[12:36] <bradley_> crimsun, does any of that data help at all?
[12:38] <crimsun> bradley_: I'll read scrollback shortly; I'm very busy atm.
[12:38] <mr_> @cellofellow: new problem here: started the laptop and there is no menu "button" under xfce!!
[12:39] <cellofellow> mr_: sometimes random applets disapear from my panels too. Just add it again by right clicking the panel and clicking Add Item, scroll to the bottom, and add the xfce menu
[12:41] <mr_> @cellofellow: thanks, that helped. but why does the menu disappear? strange...
[12:43] <bradley_> crimsun, i don't know if this is useful but it could be similar to what has happened to me http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=13043029 unfortunately i don't fully understand it :-)
[12:43] <mr_> @cellofellow: lspcmcia: socket 0: Brifge [yenta cardbus] 
[12:43] <mr_> socket 0 Device 0 [no driver] 
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, how do i mount a linux partition?
[12:44] <mr_> socket 1 Brifge [yenta-cardbus] 
[12:46] <mr_> sorry: Brifge = Bridge (damn keyboard)
[12:50] <vidd_laptop> anyone Know how to mount a linux partition?
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> let me ask again....
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> how do you mount a drive
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> if anyone answered, i missed it
[12:54] <mr_> @vidd_laptop: mount -t [filesystem]  [device] 
[12:55] <bradley_> crimsun, i have to reboot i'll be back soon
[12:55] <vidd_laptop> make tha a partition
[12:55] <mr_> e.g. mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2
[12:55] <vidd_laptop> ah..ty
[12:55] <vidd_laptop> as root?
[12:57] <mr_> oh, sorry, yeah: sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/hda[x] 
[12:59] <mr_> anyone could help me installing my pcmcia lan card?! It worked on damn small linux, but not under xubuntu?! It's an TDK LAN + GMS card
[01:00] <mr_> lspcmcia: socket 0: Bridge [yenta cardbus] 
[01:00] <mr_> socket 1 Bridge [yenta-cardbus] 
[01:00] <mr_> socket 1 Bridge [yenta-cardbus] 
[01:00] <mr_> socket 0 Device 0 [no driver] 
[01:00] <cellofellow> No driver.
[01:01] <cellofellow> yenta. search for that.
[01:02] <mr_> but there are two different slots that are represented by the sockets?
[01:04] <mr_> do I have to change something in etc/pcmcia/config ?
[01:16] <slow-motion> n8
[01:20] <bradley_> crimsun, okay i have returned.  i tried to change the kernel back but i don't think it worked. or at the very least my sound is still messed up.
[01:22] <crimsun> bradley_: pastebin your ``amixer''
[01:28] <bradley_> crimsun, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1484/
[01:32] <crimsun> bradley_: laptop?
[01:33] <crimsun> bradley_: amixer set 'Master Mono' unmute && amixer set 'IEC958' mute && amixer set 'External Amplifier' mute
[01:40] <T`2> what do you guys use to to setup a network printer ?
[01:40] <T`2> i want to setupa  hp laserjet network printer in xubuntu... but haven't found any gui which works
[01:41] <echosystm> im assuming youre sharing it to a windows computer?
[01:42] <vidd_laptop> T`2, application>settings>printing
[01:42] <echosystm> you need samba and cuspd
[01:42] <T`2> vidd_laptop, i tried it, but after the last setup, it says cups error
[01:42] <echosystm> cupsd i mean
[01:42] <T`2> no its not windows.. its a standalone printer
[01:43] <T`2> i have cupsd started
[01:43] <echosystm> its a stand alone network printer?
[01:43] <echosystm> :P
[01:43] <echosystm> youre confusing me man
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> stand alone?
[01:43] <T`2> Do i need to do New Calss or New printer?
[01:43] <echosystm> hang on T`2
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> is the printer attached to a machine?
[01:44] <T`2> no.. its just attached to an ethernet cable
[01:44] <T`2> its a printer at work.. one of those bgi ones
[01:44] <T`2> big*
[01:44] <echosystm> OH
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> does the printer have a static ip address?
[01:44] <T`2> i'm selecing Appsocket/HP JetDirect in connection type
[01:44] <T`2> yes
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> and setting up the printing does not see it?
[01:45] <T`2> what connection type do you guys suggest i use?
[01:45] <T`2> it doesn't allo wme to set it up
[01:45] <T`2> gives me an error at the very end
[01:45] <T`2> lemme try again
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> do you SEE it?
[01:46] <Pirate-King> ive  installed  xubuntu on a old p200 with 128 megs of ram and the video card is a diamond matrox melinum I reboot after install and the x server craps out I even set the resolution to the lowest
[01:46] <T`2> no
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> if your system cant see it on the network, you will not be able to set it up
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> what is the printer's ip address?
[01:46] <T`2> vidd_laptop, what do you mean "see" it?
[01:46] <T`2> i can ping it ofcourse
[01:47] <cellofellow> Pirate-King: what's the video card chipset. I have a Diamond Viper but it's really an nvidia TNT2
[01:47] <Pirate-King> ok what can I do to get it to work?
[01:48] <cellofellow> Pirate-King: find out what the chipset is, then try a driver to match.
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> T`2, choose other under device and put the ip address in the url
[01:49] <T`2> which connection type?
[01:49] <Pirate-King> yeah but how do I install that driver..?  cause it craps out
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> other
[01:49] <cellofellow> T`2: ipp or smb
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> no...other
[01:49] <cellofellow> Pirate-King: use teh cli tools, apt etc.
[01:49] <T`2> ok lemme try other..
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> its not connected to a machine
[01:50] <T`2> so in Device URI.. just the ip?
[01:50] <Pirate-King> I can't even log in
[01:50] <cellofellow> often they can still use IPP when they are that style.
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> yes
[01:50] <Pirate-King> I don't even get a prompt
[01:50] <cellofellow> Pirate-King: type Alt+F1 and say hello to no X.
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> he said it didnt work b4
[01:50] <Pirate-King> ok
[01:51] <T`2> vidd_laptop, it says can't find /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/PPD/HP/mono_laser/HP_LaserJet_4250.ppd.gz:
[01:51] <T`2> in console errors
[01:52] <cellofellow> a big printer like that should be postscript, IE practically driverless. If it isn't, then you've got a very windoze-centric office.
[01:52] <maxamillion> what kind of printer?
[01:53] <T`2> ok so i set it as postscript instead of the printer model
[01:53] <T`2> testing..
[01:54] <cellofellow> ah! Now I can't find a Windows XP driver for the iREZ. Maybe using a Nogatech driver will work, but Windows cares more about brands than chipsets I think.
[01:55] <T`2> maxamillion, HP LaserJet 4250
[01:55] <T`2> the path its looking for is wrong... the file is actually in usr/share/ppd/postscript/linuxprinting.org/HP/HP_LaserJet_4250.ppd.gz
[01:55] <T`2> seems like a buy in that program
[01:56] <T`2> no test page printing.. :/
[01:56] <T`2> lpq shows the job as is
[01:57] <chris3> Hello folks,  I'm trying to set up a new printer; and can't get past the cups password request, where do I go frm here?  I have entered the user/su passwoed correctly, several times.
[01:57] <somerville32> chris3: Dapper or Feisty?
[01:58] <chris3> 606
[01:58] <somerville32> :)
[01:58] <maxamillion> somerville32: he coulda been running edgy ;)
[01:58] <cellofellow> T`2: if it's looking for a file where it isn't, then use a symlink.
[01:58] <cellofellow> Cody has probably not used Edgy since Feisty apt downloads first came available.
[01:59] <somerville32> Not true ;] 
[01:59] <T`2> cellofellow, hmm.. but the printing doesn't happen.. i doubt its sending the request to the printer..
[01:59] <somerville32> I stayed on Edgy for a while since I didn't upgrade until well after
[01:59] <somerville32> chris3: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html
[02:01] <cellofellow> :( I can't find a Nogatech x10 driver for Windows XP either. Why is this such an unsupported bit of hardware?
[02:03] <chris3> Been there done that, somerville32, It doesn not mention anything about refusing to accept a password in the cups administration "tool'
[02:03] <somerville32> chris3: Did you add yourself to the group as directed?
[02:03] <cellofellow> oh, the web-based one?
[02:04] <chris3> in the web based cup admin...no
[02:08] <T`2> i dont know why, but i see nothing happening when i print test pages
[02:08] <T`2> lpq -l shows the printer is ready
[02:08] <T`2> but the jobs stay there for ever...
[02:08] <T`2> do i need to change any settings in cupsd?
[02:09] <somerville32> Upgrade to Edgy, lol
[02:09] <somerville32> Printer support == much better in Edgy
[02:09] <T`2> i'm on edgy!
[02:09] <somerville32> oh, lol
[02:10] <somerville32> You must not have configured the printer correctly
[02:11] <T`2> somerville32, what can i do to check if i did or not?
[02:11] <somerville32> By trying and printing a page ;] 
[02:11] <somerville32> lol
[02:11] <somerville32> I'm sorry
[02:11] <somerville32> I'm not being much help, am I? :(
[02:11] <T`2> no
[02:21] <bradley_> crimsun, sorry my partners parents are here and i had to go help them with something.
[02:22] <bradley_> i'll try that now.
[02:24] <maxamillion> praise the penguin!!! i got my wifi working!
[02:27] <bradley_> crimsun, well the first song seems to have worked. hopefully, with fingers crossed, it will continue working.  what is the effect of those changes you suggested (aside from fixing the problem)?
[02:28] <crimsun> bradley_: IEC958 must be muted for analog sound to be audible
[02:28] <crimsun> bradley_: additionally, on some chipsets, External Amplifier must be, too
[02:30] <bradley_> crimsun, well, sorry to say, it is still happening.  the music slowed down again. it was so close.  it also has been crackling pretty loud.
[02:31] <crimsun> bradley_: you may have a codec (hardware) bug
[02:31] <bradley_> crimsun, is there anything i can do about it?
[02:32] <crimsun> bradley_: if it's hardware-based, sometimes
[02:32] <crimsun> bradley_: are you running the latest stable bios for your mainboard?
[02:33] <bradley_> crimsun, yes.  toshiba hasn't upgraded the bios for my computer in years.
[02:33] <crimsun> bradley_: any messages from dmesg regarding audio?
[02:35] <maxamillion> i LOVE how fast xubuntu installs
[02:36] <crimsun> it's so slow here
[02:36] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion I wasn't able to get it to install on me comp :/
[02:37] <maxamillion> crimsun: amd64 with lots of ram ... roughly 8 minutes off the desktop image
[02:38] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion My Sempron 64 1300+ with 1024MB of ram installed in 6 mins
[02:39] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: well ... maybe mine was faster than 8 .. i was just guestimating
[02:39] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: next time i run an installation on my machine i will time it
[02:39] <crimsun> it normally takes about 30 minutes to install on a 486 with 32 MB
[02:40] <bradley_> crimsun, i didn't see anything, but i didn't recognize very much. i copied it to the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1496/
[02:40] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[02:40] <bradley_> would running a music player from the terminal provide any useful information.
[02:41] <cellofellow> aplay might
[02:50] <bradley_> one of the last things that happened was an update of my kernel.  i tried to reinstall it but if the file is cached do i need to clear it out before it will revert to the previous one. i have already removed the repository that caused my kernel to upgrade prematurely.
[02:57] <ScislaC> how does one set up a usb printer in xubuntu?
[02:58] <cellofellow> depends on the usb printer, but you should just run system-config-printer and figure it out.
[02:58] <cellofellow> be able to figure it out.
[02:58] <ScislaC> k
[03:05] <Jester45> aa man i want to be able to fold my windows so bad
[03:05] <cellofellow> what's up?
[03:06] <Jester45> i want to have a composite manger that ican use to fold my windows over
[03:06] <Jester45> bend them twist them make them cry :)
[03:06] <cellofellow> oh, windows, not Windows.
[03:07] <cellofellow> only Beryl and maybe Compiz, on top of XGL both, can do that.
[03:07] <Jester45> windows not mswindows
[03:07] <Jester45> well i want it
[03:07] <Jester45> im so tried on flat window
[03:07] <cellofellow> well, install it.
[03:08] <cellofellow> what video card? driver?
[03:08] <Jester45> flgrx
[03:08] <Jester45> RADEON 9200 Series DDR Generic
[03:09] <cellofellow> K.
[03:09] <cellofellow> !xgl
[03:09] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:09] <Jester45> would have then newer verson of fglrx help with preformance
[03:09] <cellofellow> read the wiki. It has nice instructions for installing xserver-xgl and a compositing window manager.
[03:09] <Jester45> yes i dont understand it
[03:10] <cellofellow> that has more effects than xfwm4's transparency
[03:10] <Jester45> it confuses me lots
[03:10] <cellofellow> I found it easy, until the part where beryl wouldn't start. XGL worked though.
[03:11] <Jester45> would running xgl make things look better or run faster?
[03:12] <Jester45> cellofellow: could you help me i will try step by step untill i get stuck then i need your help
[03:13] <cellofellow> when I had XGL without beryl running, XGL made everything, everything, render with OpenGL on my GPU. That's ok if you have a fast GPU, but my TNT2 offloaded a lot to the CPU and made things slower. THe apps seemed ok, but the display was a little jerky. You've a better GPU than me though.
[03:13] <cellofellow> Jester45: I've never actually gone beyond installing XGL and Beryl. Getting Beryl was difficult, but COmpiz should be easier.
[03:23] <Jester45> well i will try
[03:25] <Jester45> what one do you think i should install beryl or compiz
[03:26] <Jester45> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cb/Compiz_quinn_09-14-2006.png/180px-Compiz_quinn_09-14-2006.png is the think i want to do
[03:28] <Jester45> thing*
[03:38] <Jester45> aa forget it
[03:48] <cellofellow> yeah! only two more hours till the feisty iso is done downloading.
[03:55] <Jester45> !info adesklets
[03:55] <ubotu> adesklets: interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window System. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-2 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 544 kB
[03:56] <magic_ninja> i installed the new beta driver from nvidia via an apt source and when i restart x with the nvidia driver enabled the x server gets an error, i think it may be something to do with "wacom"
[03:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Go through xorg.conf and remove any reference do wacom devices.
[03:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/do/to/
[03:57] <cellofellow> then comment out the wacom device sections in xorg.conf. they caused me trouble with other things.
[03:57] <cellofellow> wacom makes tablet pads and pens.
[04:01] <magic_ninja> PuMpErNiCkLe: s/do/to? and do you think thats what is stopping it?
[04:02] <cellofellow> s/do/to == spelling_error(do = to)
[04:02] <magic_ninja> ohhh
[04:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cellofellow++
[04:03] <magic_ninja> not a chat room decoder lol
[04:03] <magic_ninja> although i do have these comprehensive C programing books, but i didn't have the net when i tried to use them to lacked access to the tools i needed
[04:03] <magic_ninja> and they are for windows programing
[04:03] <magic_ninja> !wacom
[04:03] <cellofellow> one sec...
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <magic_ninja> ok, so wacom is for tablets right?
[04:06] <magic_ninja> alright wish me luck im going to try to get these drivers working
[04:15] <rubix_> hey guys...the error i got when updated the graphics card was "no screens found" but i have it on another terminal if someone wants more info
[04:15] <rubix_> "data incomlete in */*/xorg.conf"
[04:17] <magic_ninja> KDSETMODE, VT_GETMODE, VT_GETSTATE all failed
[04:23] <cellofellow> magic_ninja: there's soemthing wrong with the screens section of xorg.conf
[04:23] <cellofellow> magic_ninja: maybe if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and then re-comment the wacom device sections, it may work.
[04:29] <cellofellow> is there a way to make an Alternate CD out of a DVD.
[04:29] <cellofellow> +?
[05:11] <magic_ninja> for some reason the repos aren't finding nvidia-kernel for the regular edgy drivers...
[05:11] <magic_ninja> what repo is it on
[05:11] <cellofellow> restricted I think
[05:12] <cellofellow> !info nvidia-kernel
[05:12] <ubotu> Package nvidia-kernel does not exist in any distro I know
[05:12] <cellofellow> :(
[05:12] <cellofellow> got that wrong
[05:12] <cellofellow> info nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776
[05:12] <magic_ninja> its like nvidia-kernel-1.0.8.7 or whatever
[05:13] <cellofellow> !info nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776
[05:13] <ubotu> Package nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776 does not exist in any distro I know
[05:13] <cellofellow> it's there. It's just a virtual package provided by the restricted-modules
[05:13] <cellofellow> so, restricted
[05:13] <magic_ninja> time to get dirty
[05:16] <magic_ninja> i have found nvidia-kernel-common
[05:50] <Pirate-King>  anybody know how to get isa sound cards ro work?
[05:50] <Pirate-King>  anybody know how to get isa sound cards to work?
[05:53] <ron_o> Pirate-King -  you have to find the driver for your sound card and then install it.
[05:54] <ron_o> how old is your computer?
[05:54] <Pirate-King> athlon 500 era
[05:55] <ron_o> how old? I'm not familiar with athlon's.
[05:56] <Pirate-King> 5-6 years ago
[05:56] <ron_o> not that it matters. You need to look inside your case and find your sound card. Let me see some comamnds you might try.
[05:56] <ron_o> lspci      dmesg
[05:56] <ron_o> those might tell you something or maybe not.
[05:56] <Pirate-King> doesn't find it doing either
[05:57] <ron_o> try in root.
[05:58] <ron_o> I had to look inside my case and then search for it on the internet. It was a long process. :-/
[05:58] <Pirate-King> I looked in my case it is a sound blaster
[06:00] <ron_o> you need more info than that.
[06:00] <Pirate-King> doing a dmesg it finds it
[06:00] <ron_o> there are a lot of sound blaster cards, I do believe. It's strange that you might have a problem with sound blaster. It's so popular.
[06:01] <Pirate-King> because it is isa
[06:01] <Jester45> if i have a shell script and i have it owned by root should all the commands inside be sudoed?
[06:01] <ron_o> run aslaconf
[06:02] <ron_o> alsaconf .. sorry.
[06:02] <Pirate-King> command not found
[06:03] <ron_o> in root
[06:03] <ron_o> sorry.. damn... I thought I was zenwalk. :-/
[06:03] <ron_o> why xubuntu doesn't have alsaconf I don't know.
[06:04] <ron_o> I had problems too with an isa using *buntu.
[06:05] <ron_o> what I did eventually was run Knoppix which uses an alsaconf app and then I copied the config files to another distro.
[06:05] <ron_o> sorry, it's been a long time since I solved it. I can't help much more than that.
[06:06] <Pirate-King> ok np
[06:07] <Pirate-King> what is a graphical explorer?
[06:08] <ron_o> maybe a file manager with gui. ??
[06:08] <Pirate-King> ok
[06:11] <ron_o> I don't know why the ubuntu repository doesn't have alsaconfig app. Look for it. But if they had it they would be using it.
[06:11] <ron_o> probably.
[06:12] <Pirate-King> I think I might have it
[06:12] <ron_o> knoppix uses it.
[06:12] <ron_o> and its debian based.
[06:33] <Pirate-King> what is the best player and program for playing mp3's and loading an Ipod?
[06:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Pirate-King: Depends on what kind of interface you're looking for in a media player.  As for the iPod, 'gtkpod' works well.
[06:51] <Pirate-King> ok
[07:01] <jifengcao> which bittorrent client use do not require qt ,gnome ?
[07:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'rtorrent'
[07:01] <jifengcao> thx
[07:02] <jifengcao> does it get dht support?
[07:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not last time I checked.
[07:05] <jifengcao> thx
[08:36] <noalternative> I am having problems with mplayer in dapper.  I won't start.
[08:38] <Commander-Crowe> you try using terminal to start it?
[08:40] <noalternative> ok
[08:54] <noalternative> ok here is my output from terminal
[08:55] <noalternative> oldoldcomputer@ubuntu:~/Shared$ mplayer Peter\ Wolf\ -\ Come\ As\ you\ Are.wma
[08:55] <noalternative> MPlayer 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
[08:55] <noalternative> CPU: Advanced Micro Devices K6-2 (Family: 5, Stepping: 12)
[08:55] <noalternative> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0
[08:55] <noalternative> Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
[08:55] <noalternative> 91 audio & 204 video codecs
[09:01] <noalternative> hello
[09:02] <jifengcao> try gmplayer
[09:03] <noalternative> from the command line?
[09:03] <jifengcao> yes
[09:03] <jifengcao> any error message?
[09:04] <noalternative> skin no found
[09:04] <jifengcao> so install skin please
[09:05] <noalternative> is there a codec I need to install to play wma?
[09:06] <jifengcao> wait a min,let me try
[09:07] <jifengcao> yes , mplayer can player wma
[09:08] <jifengcao> you need the essential code
[09:12] <noalternative> ok I tried to install mplayer skins and it says they are already installed
[09:14] <jifengcao> I downloaded skin and codes myself ,put them in the place where README file says
[09:29] <maxamillion> horray for wifi ...
[09:34] <noalternative> I upgraded from xubuntu breezy to xubuntu dapper.  Does anyone know where I can get ahold of the brown human walpaper to go along with the default theme?
[09:35] <maxamillion> noalternative: uhmmm... not off hand, lemme check
[09:38] <maxamillion> noalternative: apparently you can just install them via apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic ... http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=wallpaper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[09:39] <noalternative> thanks
[09:40] <maxamillion> noalternative: no problem :)
[09:40] <noalternative> 8-)
[09:45] <hyper_ch> hiho, anyone can help me with OOo calc?
[09:46] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: what about it?
[09:47] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: which is the formula to do the following
[09:47] <hyper_ch> in sheet 1 I have in a column a number of values
[09:47] <hyper_ch> and in sheet 2 I have a lot more of those values and according data...
[09:48] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: ohhhh, yeah... no clue ... thought it was a technical problem
[09:48] <hyper_ch> how can I have the according data of the keys in sheet 1 displayed next to the keys?
[09:48] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: ^^
[09:48] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: someone in #ubuntu might be able to help, or possibly ##linux
[09:48] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:55] <FifaFrazer> Hey, I've a problem with lyx.. It looks like it doesnt support UTF-8.. The   and  in the menu-bar looks wrong.. How can i solve that?
[11:57] <FifaFrazer> And how do I enumerate pictures and equations in lyx for cross-referencing?  So every pic in my document has "Figure 1", "Figure 2" and so on below it ?
[12:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> From their mailing list, it looks like several locale bugs were fixed for version 1.5.
[12:25] <RememberPOL> gpocentek: Make sure the next release version's html welcome page has the right number. (6.10 says 6.06)
[12:26] <RememberPOL> ;x
[12:26] <flupk1> hello, I'd like to control my desktop from an other computer but I can-t find how to do whith xfce
[12:27] <flupk1> I know how to do with gnome but with w
[12:27] <flupk1> xfce...
[12:27] <DarthLappy> flupk1: x11vnc should be useful.
[12:28] <flupk1> DarthLappy : I have vnc on my other computer but how alow it to enter on the xfce computer ?
[12:29] <DarthLappy> Is vnc installed on the Ubuntu computer?
[12:30] <flupk1> DarthLappy : yes
[12:30] <DarthLappy> Which one?
[12:30] <flupk1> vnc, on the gnome one
[12:30] <DarthLappy> Shouldn't you just be able to run it then...?
[12:31] <flupk1> when i run vnc, the other computer doesn-t answer
[12:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You need a vnc server installed on the computer you're trying to connect to.
[12:32] <flupk1> I instaled krdc, I'm going to test again...
[12:32] <DarthLappy> Why krdc if you're in Xubuntu?
[12:32] <DarthLappy> Err, s/ubuntu/FCE/
[12:33] <flupk1> DarthLappy : wich one would be better ?
[12:34] <DarthLappy> Well personally I use x11vnc. But I just think it a bit weird to use a KDE tool when it's not necessary...
[12:35] <flupk1> ok, and is x11vnc the tool who allow the other computer to entry on your xfce computer ?
[12:35] <DarthLappy> Yes.
[12:36] <flupk1> ah, ok, thank's I'm going to try
[03:18] <FifaFrazer> How do you take a screenshot in xubuntu?
[03:18] <FifaFrazer> It seems that the print screen button does nothing
[03:19] <semi-fly> there is a screen capture utility located in the menu.
[03:19] <HeathenDan> enable the snapshot applet in the panel
[03:29] <grazie> FifaFrazer: alternatively "The Gimp > File > Acquire Screenshost" may suite better
[03:29] <grazie> s/Screenshost/Screenshot/
[03:37] <kalikiana7> Actually I recommend Gimp for screenshots as well :)
[03:38] <kalikiana7> Is there some Inkscape user here?
[03:46] <FifaFrazer> Gimp worked out fine
[03:46] <kalikiana7> :)
[03:47] <FifaFrazer> Now i have a long exact expression in xmaxima.. How do I convert it to a simple number?
[03:53] <FifaFrazer> nevermind
[04:02] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:05] <larson9999> i'm installing some games for my son and notice there are some games that don't start in full screen and don't have an option i can find to switch to fullscreen.  is there a way to switch these to fullscreen?
[04:07] <kalikiana7> larson9999: that depends on the game. of course you can try to edit option files by hand if there is one, e.g. beginning with a dot in your home directory
[04:10] <larson9999> kalikiana7, thanks.  found a few sites that pointed me in that direction.
[04:11] <kalikiana7> :)
[04:32] <amorphous_> hi all.. anyone know if theres a gui to view/delete print jobs? I been looking for a while now & the only thing i've found is pt - but it doesn't show my print jobs :(
[04:32] <amorphous_> is there  any other options? or is it possible to get pt to see them? lpq shows me the queue ok.
[04:59] <amorphous_> anyone...? no one knows anything about pt?
[05:00] <vidd_laptop> !seen cellofellow
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> !seen cellofellow
[05:01] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow (n=josh@209.193.108.7) 9h 17m 59s ago, quiting: "leaving"
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> *wave* MattJ
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> MattJ, you still playing around with that image?
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> or are you done playing with blender for now?
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> *wave kalikiana
[05:06] <kalikiana> hi
[05:06] <amorphous_> hey hey - people!
[05:07] <kalikiana> hey,amorphous :)
[05:07] <kalikiana> !ask
[05:07] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:07] <kalikiana> :P
[05:07] <amorphous_> in X - where do I find the panel settings? is there a file I can change the permissions on to make it so the user cannot tamper with the panel at the top of the desktop?
[05:07] <amorphous_> hey kalikiana
[05:08] <kalikiana> there is kiosk mode
[05:08] <imon9> hello there
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> amorphous_, the panel settings are not controled by x....
[05:08] <imon9> i needed some help here
[05:09] <vidd_laptop> ask away imon9
[05:09] <amorphous_> vidd_laptop, ?no? what controls them? is it in thunar?
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> panels are controled by the window manager (i think)
[05:10] <imon9> i am a newbies who uses linux for 1 week+ now, but most things is becoming clear and i know how to compile program and install many to try them out, the thing is yesterday i do the same routine of install/deleting installation (sometime manually) so now the  "add/remove program" is not able to start
[05:10] <imon9> i went out to /ust/bin/ to look for the execution file but dont know which one is it
[05:10] <kalikiana> amorphous: is that what you mean? http://www-test.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk
[05:11] <kalikiana> imon9: look in /usr/share/applications for desktop file and open it in a text editor
[05:11] <amorphous_> vidd_laptop, do you know which files Do control panel settings?
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> amorphous_, kalikiana posted a link
[05:12] <imon9> okay, now i found it, thanks for that
[05:13] <amorphous_> Ahh.. sorry - missed that - i seem to have a _ on the end of my name :/...
[05:13] <amorphous_> thanks kalikiana
[05:13] <kalikiana> :)
[05:13] <kalikiana> always pleased to help
[05:14] <imon9> now next qeustion, about the "xfce menu" , i know we can make up our own list , but it will be a bit time consuming now, so i want to edit the existing one, but clicking edit mene only show me the group name of each catogories, i cant remove or see its actual listing
[05:14] <amorphous_> Ahh... perfect!!!! thanks kalikiana - sorry for delay - didn't catch your posts
[05:14] <imon9> the problem is, some program i install cant be detected by add/remove OR synaptic coz i manually compile them, so i remove them manually, and the shortcut stay in the menu list
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> imon9, what you see in the menu list is the "smart menu"
[05:15] <imon9> so how to edit it?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> you dont....you need to add to it
[05:15] <kalikiana> imon9: how about just editing the desktop files in /usr/share/applications?
[05:15] <imon9> u mean i can delete those safely, rite?
[05:16] <kalikiana> of course :)
[05:16] <imon9> it is a bit buggy from the menu though, how come my add/remove and a few more application no longer able to be lauch from there
[05:16] <kalikiana> by the way, checkinstall is a tool to create debian packages for custom compiled apps
[05:16] <imon9> can i fix it?
[05:16] <imon9> yah, i have checkinstall
[05:17] <kalikiana> imon9: what exactly is the problem/ error?
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana, that will allow custom apps to show in menu?
[05:18] <imon9> the program is, now i choose say "add/remove program" from "xfce menu" but nothing come up, but it can be lauch from /usr/share/applications of course
[05:18] <kalikiana> vidd, checkinstall will only provide a way to remove custom installs like any existing package
[05:18] <imon9> but i want to fix the menu
[05:18] <imon9> btw, i dont understand how to uninstall with checkinstall
[05:18] <kalikiana> just search for the installed package in synaptic, aptitude or apt
[05:18] <imon9> i entered dpkg -r (pkg name.deb) but it say error
[05:19] <kalikiana> no
[05:19] <kalikiana> you do ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[05:19] <kalikiana> the last one is important
[05:19] <imon9> yah..i did that
[05:19] <imon9> it create a deb installer for me
[05:19] <imon9> but after that, how do i UNINSTALL the program?
[05:20] <kalikiana> eventually after installing the resulting deb you can do e.g. 'apt-get remove NAME'
[05:20] <kalikiana> or use synaptic or aptitude
[05:20] <imon9> i think i only have synaptic
[05:20] <imon9> i dont think synaptic list all my programs though
[05:21] <imon9> are u telling me that checkinstall register the program to synaptic, does it? if so, that would be nice
[05:22] <imon9> kalikiana, u still there?
[05:23] <kalikiana> imon9: still here :)
[05:23] <kalikiana> in synaptic, it's in the category 'local' (or similar)
[05:23] <kalikiana> you can even search for it
[05:24] <imon9> so it will definately be there if i compile and install with checkinstall, is it?
[05:24] <kalikiana> yep
[05:24] <imon9> well, before checkinstall, i install LIVES video editor , but cant uninstall it coz synaptic dint detect it
[05:25] <imon9> so now that i know checkinstall will register to synaptic, that is much better
[05:25] <kalikiana> yep, that's what it's for :)
[05:25] <kalikiana> i gotta go for now
[05:25] <imon9> oh
[05:25] <imon9> thanks then
[05:25] <imon9> actually i got one more Q
[05:25] <imon9> but maybe someone else able to answer me
[05:26] <imon9> thanks...thanks a lot
[05:26] <kalikiana> see you :)
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> ask away
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> ill have an answer for ya
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> (it might even be right)
[05:27] <imon9> good, i am running xubuntu, but install some aps with kde based
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> ok
[05:27] <imon9> the problem is . SCIM cant type unicode stuff in the aps
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> SCIM?
[05:27] <imon9> after since i been avoiding kde aps
[05:27] <imon9> like i want to type chinese in kopete, but cant
[05:28] <imon9> SCIM is the input method
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> do you have the lang support apps for KDE installed?
[05:28] <imon9> how do i do that in xubuntu
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> the same way you would in KDE
[05:29] <imon9> anyway, i can read chinese which is on the list
[05:29] <imon9> i use KDE once, but the thing is, i cant seems to find how to set stuff for KDE in xubuntu
[05:30] <imon9> btw, the fonts of kde aps in xubuntu are smaller too, and the color is abit off too
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> let me check synaptic....
[05:30] <imon9> i want to configure those all, but no configuration program i think
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> what is your desktop?
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> is it xfce or kde?
[05:32] <imon9> it is xfce now
[05:32] <imon9> but some aps is kde based, like amarok, kmess, kopete, konsole
[05:32] <imon9> i remove console mainly coz the font is like nightmare
[05:33] <imon9> now on my list is exclusively gnome based aps, except for amarok
[05:33] <imon9> i am looking for a faster alternative for amarok now too
[05:34] <imon9> KDE is crazy stuff....
[05:34] <arle> Hello. I can boot the live 5.04 Ubuntu but not the 6.10 Xubuntu :-\
[05:35] <imon9> aMSN which is based on some tfe also look bad on xubuntu
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> imon9,  did you ever install language-pack-kde-zh?
[05:35] <imon9> nope
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> that is the chinese language pack for kde aps
[05:35] <imon9> will it help?
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> it should
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> it will let all your kde aps use chinese
[05:36] <arle> My PC is a 700Mhz AMD with 524 mb RAM and a GeForce4 MX 440 compatible with 64 Mb graphics card
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> arle, ok
[05:36] <imon9> i am not saying i want the whole aps became chinese interface, i just want to type in chinese for some "searc" area and to msg other in IM
[05:37] <imon9> i hope u are right...i will go synaptic to install that
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> imon9, you STILL need it for kopete to read chinese
[05:37] <imon9> thank for that
[05:37] <imon9> what about setting for appearence of those kde aps?
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> works for one, works for all
[05:37] <imon9> what do i need?
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> that i cant help with.....
[05:37] <arle> vidd_laptop: The Xubuntu 6.10 cd boots great but even in the low graphic mode I get a 'zipFS' related error
[05:38] <arle> or something like that... :-(
[05:38] <vidd_laptop> live or alt cd?
[05:38] <arle> vidd_laptop:  Don't think it's alternate
[05:38] <arle> It's the default xubuntu download link....
[05:39] <TheSheep> arle: have you checked the cd for defects?
[05:39] <TheSheep> arle: there is an option at the boot menu
[05:39] <arle> TheSheep: Thanks, but the SO boots smoothly on another PC
[05:40] <arle> with even less RAM and a worse graphic adapter
[05:40] <TheSheep> arle: different cd drives can have different sensiility to defects
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> sounds like you have an older cdrom in this machine then the other
[05:40] <arle> TheSheep: Do you think do I even need to check it?
[05:40] <arle> vidd_laptop: You are right!
[05:41] <arle> In fact, in the 2nd PC I have to boot from a CD-RW drive which doesn't works really good
[05:41] <TheSheep> arle: I check md5 after downloading the iso and then do the cd check after burning -- always, it saves me a lot of time
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> arle, swap the cdrom drives between the machines and it will run fine
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> or reburn it at the lowest speed you can
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> but if you are looking to install anyway, i recomend that you use the alt cd....always
[05:42] <arle> OK. I have a DVD reader on the 2nd PC, so I'm going to switch the IDE controllers in order to allow booting from the newer DVD reader
[05:42] <arle> vidd_laptop: Why alt CD...?
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> cuzz the live cd is fine for running a live cd system, the alt-cd lets you acually install from jump street
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> without waiting for the system to boot
[05:43] <arle> vidd_laptop: like the good old days? ;-)
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> but that is my opinion
[05:44] <arle> Actually I want a bootCD 'cause I've lost my root partition and don't want to format the whole disk but reinstall and be able to use old /home /var et cetera...
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> you can do that from the alt cd
[05:45] <arle> vidd_laptop: how do you post in italics???
[05:45] <arle> vidd_laptop: Thanks, I'll get the alt cd then
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> post in italics?
[05:46] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: he means actions
[05:47] <arle> :-)
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> cool or what?
[05:47] <arle> bye-bye enjoy the weekend!
[05:47] <arle> really c00 :-)
[05:47] <arle> thanks both of you
[05:47] <imon9> vidd_laptop, i just want to know , how do i log in as root?
[05:48] <arle> imon9: you have to set a root password
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> imon9, if you REALLY want to know, pm me
[05:48] <imon9> it seems ubuntu OR maybe only xubuntu dint have that previlage
[05:48] <imon9> i sis set the password already
[05:48] <TheSheep> imon9: use sudo instead
[05:48] <TheSheep> imon9: if you precede a command with 'sudo', it will be executed with root priviledges
[05:48] <imon9> i us su all the time in terminal, but i want to delete and manipulate file in thunar
[05:49] <TheSheep> sudo Thunar
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> then type sudo thunar
[05:49] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: capital T
[05:49] <imon9> it is permenantly set so?
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> lower case works too
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> till you close it
[05:50] <imon9> sudo Thunar in terminal will leave the terminal holding there until thunar exit
[05:50] <imon9> i am thinking of setting thunar to permenantly able to manipulate file
[05:51] <imon9> it is almost nightmare to use terminal to delete some file
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> let me get your IP addy so i can show your the errors of your ways
[05:51] <imon9> i practically type out every file name /or folder befoere this
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> then create launcher, name it "root-kit-enabler"
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> and set the launcher to run gksudo Thunar
[05:55] <TheSheep> imon9: just install windows right away :)
[05:55] <imon9> vidd_laptop, i just found out that i HAVE language-pack-kde-Zh
[05:56] <imon9> but still i am not able to enter chinese text in kde
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> then i dont know why kopete is being stupid for you
[05:56] <imon9> hehe..never mind :p
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> you may want to ask #kde
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> or #kubuntu
[05:57] <imon9> i want to do root kit enable ru said
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> imon9, do you know what a root-kit is?
[05:57] <imon9> wait, i dun like to make just one launche for thunr with that :(
[05:58] <imon9> eg "file system" or "home" icon on destop
[05:58] <imon9> can i make them gksudo Thunar too?
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> as i said, if you want me to help you make your system so windows-like that any body can jack your system, PM me, i will not give instructions in open chat
[05:59] <TheSheep> imon9: yes, or you can just add them to the bookmarks
[06:00] <imon9> i am sorry, i dint realise u were telling me that just now
[06:01] <imon9> the thing about make my system windows-like is somewhat true, i dont a point when there is already a security login
[06:01] <imon9> sorry, i dun mean to start a fight, but i would like to do my daily work on my system with the previlage of root coz i do a lot of testing for many program for now
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> imon9, that is all the more reason to NOT run as root
[06:03] <imon9> maybe i am a noob, but i dint get ur point here, can u explain?
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> you are running experimental programs
[06:04] <imon9> well, i think xubuntu is like a new toy for me :D
[06:04] <imon9> if i screw up, i probably just reinstall the whole thing
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> these programs may try to change system files in a way that will take out your system, hijack it, or other bad stuff
[06:04] <imon9> i am quite happy with xubuntu now, many posibilities, i dual boot my machine but thinking to permenantly stick with xubuntu
[06:05] <vidd_laptop> with only user access, the damage is limited, as root, your toast
[06:05] <imon9> ic
[06:05] <imon9> now u make a lot of sense
[06:05] <imon9> wait, not really
[06:05] <imon9> all my personal files is in "user" mode anyway
[06:05] <downer> i thought he was making sense the entire time.
[06:06] <imon9> so if there is a psyware, worm, virus try to steal, that is the only thing i dont want them to steal
[06:06] <vidd_laptop> root mode has access to your ENTIRE system, including users
[06:06] <imon9> well, u got some point there, i wont deny
[06:07] <imon9> especially important if u need to maintain system in company environment
[06:07] <imon9> system down = majore loss
[06:07] <imon9> but for a home user like me, i think personal information is more inportant
[06:07] <vidd_laptop> tell you what, ill help you set up your system, and then later ill jack your system and turn it into a porn server
[06:08] <imon9> but i dont see windows or linux doing any protection on it
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> and deny you access to everything
[06:08] <downer> hahaha
[06:08] <cellofellow> hi there
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[06:08] <cellofellow> :-)
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> wb MattJ
[06:09] <imon9> hahah... my solution will be boot into my other OS, backup all my files, re-install xubuntu, then everything is gone
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> wanna bet?
[06:09] <imon9> of course, it make a lot of work, so u are right
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> your other boot is windows
[06:09] <imon9> i wont mess with u, really
[06:09] <imon9> yah
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> that gives root access by default
[06:09] <MattJ> Hi vidd_laptop :)
[06:09] <MattJ> Exams exam exams
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> ALSO owned
[06:09] <imon9> hahahah
[06:10] <imon9> but i dint mount my XP partition
[06:10] <vidd_laptop> MattJ, still playing with blender?
[06:10] <imon9> anway, i think it is possible
[06:10] <vidd_laptop> thats ok imon9 i'd do it myself
[06:10] <cellofellow> I'm on Ubuntu Edgy LiveDVD on my dad's Lappy, and want the wireless to work. I haven't ever gotten wireless to work on this lappy on Ubuntu livecd, but Kubuntu Dapper LiveCD does work. (It's wirelessassistent.) How do I get wireless working in an easy, GUI fashion?
[06:10] <imon9> since u can mount it from it
[06:10] <imon9> hehehe..yah, i just realise :p
[06:11] <imon9> so the main idea is to get it, then everything else is fun
[06:11] <vidd_laptop> yep
[06:11] <imon9> pretty impressive thinking, maybe i ought to try it too :D
[06:12] <imon9> i mean i can write lots of script too
[06:12] <vidd_laptop> the only way to stop me is to power down, disconnect from the internet and do a complete format of ALL your drives
[06:12] <MattJ> vidd_laptop: Not for a bit
[06:12] <imon9> i dun think disconnect from internet work once all script is running
[06:12] <MattJ> vidd_laptop: I have some exams still to go, and then... freedom :)
[06:12] <imon9> if i am planning a hijack, i would go in, put script, let it run
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> need to be disconnected to prevent scripts from getting re-install protocols
[06:13] <imon9> then even if u disconnect internet, u are dead..hahahah
[06:13] <imon9> i mean something like a batch run would be nice
[06:13] <imon9> i would love to clean someone harddrive if the really mess with me
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> MattJ, when you get your degree?
[06:14] <imon9> get the IP, sneak in, put in the script, run it..hohohhooh....u got me excited suddenly
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> imon9, i ALREADY have your IP
[06:14] <imon9> damned, i am wicked minded
[06:15] <imon9> is okay, u can have my IP
[06:15] <imon9> but please dont hijack my comp
[06:15] <MattJ> vidd_laptop: Some time in the distant future :)
[06:15] <vidd_laptop> if i was going to do that, i would have already do it
[06:17] <cellofellow> yippee. I like how the Ubuntu LiveCD's can have software installed for the live session from the repos. I tried that with Knoppix once. No dice.
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> imon9, i will not hijack anyone's computer....just needed to do an extended example to show you why running as root is NEVER a good idea
[06:18] <imon9> okay ;) got u
[06:18] <imon9> btw, got some other question
[06:18] <imon9> what is this NONE folder keep appearing
[06:18] <vidd_laptop> ask away
[06:18] <cellofellow> I've let him use my printer, and he let me SSH into his system once.
[06:18] <cellofellow> vidd, that is.
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> imon9, ive never seen it on my system....
[06:19] <imon9> well, i can tell u some files it has in it
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> that is ok
[06:20] <imon9> it says /var/fontconfig
[06:20] <imon9> inside is a lot of font
[06:20] <imon9> i install fontconfig recently
[06:20] <imon9> cant remember why i did it, or wat it does
[06:21] <vidd_laptop> no idea
[06:22] <imon9> nvm, another qestion
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> ok
[06:22] <imon9> usually i type in my user password for synaptic, but today it start asking my "root" password, is it normal?
[06:23] <MattJ> I would love a way to see what commands people execute in ssh sessions
[06:23] <vidd_laptop> how do you launch synaptic?
[06:23] <imon9> from the xfce menu
[06:24] <vidd_laptop> imon9, no, that is NOT normal
[06:25] <imon9> btw, can u just double check for me if fontconfig and fontconfig-config is needed for normal working of xubuntu (i mean just cross-check from your synaptic that is) coz i want to unintall them now
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> this is the kind of weird stuff that happens when you run "su" in terminal rather then sudo
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> then uninstall them
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> if something you need to run requires it, you will be told before you uninstall
[06:27] <imon9> holy mother, when i mark fontconfig for uninstallation, it list the whole computer aps connected to it
[06:27] <vidd_laptop> yeah...it does
[06:27] <imon9> argh, maybe i just make for reinstall
[06:27] <imon9> maybe the newer version is buggy
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> newer version of what?
[06:28] <imon9> newer version of fontconfig... 25. from their website
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> i wait till things make it into the repos
[06:29] <imon9> i added the thunar in root mode, it ask me password before proceed which is good
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> im off for lunch
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> bbl
[06:30] <imon9> just wondering, if i am already in thunar in some folder, and suddenly i need to delete something with root permission, can i like make thunar log-in or something?
[06:30] <imon9> okay...thanks a lot ;) for your patients especially
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> no
[06:30] <imon9> ok thanks, see u
[06:34] <fontpd> what command am i supposed to run after changing my apt/sources.list
[06:35] <gpocentek> sudo apt-get update
[06:35] <Jester45> aa dang
[06:35] <Jester45> you beat me i typed it into a terminal
[06:35] <gpocentek> :)
[06:37] <Jester45> anyone here ever play xmoto
[06:37] <Jester45> its so hard
[06:45] <fontpd> i'm getting this error when i try to do anything after change my sources list. I know it's a good list, i copied it from a known working machien.
[06:45] <fontpd> machine
[06:45] <fontpd> E: Type 'deb' is not known in on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <totalwormage> fontpd: well
[06:48] <totalwormage> there _is_ an error in it
[06:48] <vidd_laptop> fontpd, pastebin your sources.list
[06:49] <vidd_laptop> !pastebin | fontpd
[06:49] <ubotu> fontpd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:49] <fontpd> Well i'm not sure how there'd be an error. the md5sums match and everything.
[06:50] <fontpd> and in the interest of full disclosure, it's a debian box. But I figure i'd ask here since i'm already here...
[06:50] <Schijnn> Are there any 3rd-party repos with more recent versions of packages than the official ones?
[06:51] <vidd_laptop> fontpd, did you pastebin your sources.list file?
[06:53] <fontpd> i had ot edit it since there's l/p information in it
[06:53] <fontpd> s/ot/to/
[06:53] <fontpd> but here it is  - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1581/
[06:53] <vidd_laptop> l/p information?
[06:54] <fontpd> server login/password
[06:54] <vidd_laptop> oh
[06:54] <vidd_laptop> you host your own deb archives?
[06:54] <fontpd> it's told to fetch the repos from localhost, which redirects the request through a tunnel to my repo.
[06:55] <fontpd> basically
[06:56] <fontpd> there's alot of points of failuter in that setup, so i'm wondering if the apt-get error message is inaccurate or what.
[06:57] <fontpd> fail like my spelling at this hour.
[06:58] <vidd_laptop> have you been able to ping ip address?
[06:58] <fontpd> ping what?
[06:58] <vidd_laptop> the url of the repos
[06:59] <fontpd> so the error message is misleading?
[06:59] <vidd_laptop> dunno...can you ping it?
[07:01] <fontpd> nm
[07:01] <vidd_laptop> found the error?
[07:02] <fontpd> no
[07:07] <vidd_laptop> when you set it up, did you copy-paste it or type-by-hand?
[07:07] <fontpd> Well the error was implying that there was something wrong with my apt-sources file
[07:07] <fontpd> it looks like there's a problem with the tunnel
[07:07] <fontpd> i hate stunnel
[07:07] <vidd_laptop> why not use the regular repos?
[07:07] <fontpd> well i'm assuming that stunnel is the problem. But I'm done with this for the morning.
[07:08] <fontpd> oh I would if I could.
[07:08] <vidd_laptop> this  system does not have internet access?
[07:08] <fontpd> or if apt-get supported https...
[07:09] <fontpd> it's an appliance, it has very few things that it's allowed to do.
[07:09] <kilonux> hello anybody here got a minute for a newbie?
[07:09] <vidd_laptop> kilonux, we ALWAYS have time for new users
[07:10] <kilonux> yeahh!
[07:10] <kilonux> i tell you my sit
[07:10] <vidd_laptop> fontpd, i dont know what to tell ya
[07:11] <kilonux> xubuntu live cd install failed several times
[07:11] <kilonux> i 've now burned the alternate
[07:11] <vidd_laptop> system stats?
[07:12] <fontpd> it's okay, i've got it from here on out.
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> gl fontpd
[07:12] <fontpd> thanks
[07:13] <vidd_laptop> kilonux, what issue you having with the alt?
[07:14] <kilonux> asus L8400 10Go win XP 256 M ram.. My disk has already a redhat part. What do i do with it before installing xubuntu?
[07:15] <Pirate-King> how do  you speed up a pc with xubuntu on it
[07:18] <vidd_laptop> kilonux, do you have enough room on your hard drive to make room for the install? are you replacing redhat with ubuntu?
[07:19] <kilonux> 2,7 Giga RH is leaving
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> ah....
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> then you need to do nothing in preperation.....
[07:20] <vidd_laptop> during the install, you will want to reformat the redhat partitions
[07:20] <vidd_laptop> i assume that redhat made a / and a /home partition for you?
[07:20] <kilonux> and also other empty spaces?
[07:21] <vidd_laptop> what partitions did RH make for you?
[07:22] <vidd_laptop> there should already be a swap file, and two ext3 partions....right?
[07:22] <kilonux> for the moment there are hda6 (100 M)
[07:23] <Commander-Crowe> hi
[07:23] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Commander-Crowe
[07:23] <Commander-Crowe> Hi
[07:23] <kilonux> hda7 2,16 ext also
[07:23] <vidd_laptop> kilonux, 6 partitions?
[07:23] <Commander-Crowe> just droppin in to see who needs help
[07:24] <vidd_laptop> Commander-Crowe, got a degree in phycho-therapy?
[07:24] <kilonux> and hda8 swap 509 M
[07:24] <vidd_laptop> ok....
[07:24] <Commander-Crowe> vidd_laptop no and i don't plan to
[07:24] <vidd_laptop> Commander-Crowe, then you cant help ME!
[07:24] <kilonux> and some small empty space
[07:25] <vidd_laptop> 509 meg swap!!!!
[07:25] <vidd_laptop> OMG what a wast
[07:25] <kilonux> it not me who did that!!!
[07:25] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[07:25] <vidd_laptop> how much ram did you say?
[07:25] <kilonux> 256
[07:25] <Commander-Crowe> how much ram does he have?
[07:26] <vidd_laptop> well...that sound ok then
[07:26] <Commander-Crowe> oh
[07:26] <Commander-Crowe> you should've done about 786
[07:26] <vidd_laptop> take all the ext file type partitions
[07:27] <kilonux> i'm installing this to learn about it for my new laptop to be Gates-free
[07:27] <vidd_laptop> and delete them, as well as the swap
[07:27] <kilonux> with windows disk manager?
[07:27] <vidd_laptop> NO!!!!!!
[07:27] <vidd_laptop> with the xubuntu install disk
[07:28] <kilonux> already done concerning hd6
[07:28] <kilonux> win
[07:29] <vidd_laptop> are you talking on the machine you are going to install this on?
[07:29] <kilonux> is  there a clear tuto for this somwhere
[07:29] <kilonux> yes
[07:29] <vidd_laptop> there is no need for a tuto...it is self explanitory
[07:30] <kilonux> but I am ....
[07:30] <vidd_laptop> during the partitioning section of the install, you want to delete all non-windows partitions
[07:30] <kilonux> ok
[07:31] <vidd_laptop> then you want to let the partitioner set up the free space as follows:
[07:31] <vidd_laptop> swap=ram times two
[07:32] <kilonux> okok
[07:32] <vidd_laptop>  / partition = 1/3 of available free space (must be over 4 Gig [?] )
[07:32] <vidd_laptop>  /home the remaining free space
[07:32] <vidd_laptop> --OR--
[07:32] <kilonux> but they say it can go with 1,5 Giga
[07:33] <vidd_laptop> you can let the partitioner auto configure the free space for you
[07:33] <kilonux> yes
[07:33] <kilonux> Does it find all the free spaces by itself?
[07:34] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:34] <vidd_laptop> no, you have to delete the ext partitions and swap and all the free space should show up as one large section
[07:35] <vidd_laptop> you highlight it, and choose "configure free space"
[07:35] <vidd_laptop> it will not make a seperate / and /home partition for you, but it will set up the swap for you
[07:36] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:36] <vidd_laptop> you will end up with your windows partition, one ext3 partition, and one swap partition
[07:37] <kilonux> I put in the cd and follow your instr?
[07:37] <mr_> Hi! I've got some trouble getting my PCMCIA card (LAN, not W-LAN) to work on an IBM Thinkpad 600X. Can anyone help me, please?
[07:38] <vidd_laptop> yep, BTW, windows propable confiscated that free space you made by deleting partions in windows disk manager
[07:38] <kilonux> what!
[07:38] <vidd_laptop> mr_, what do you get when you type lspcmcia
[07:38] <kilonux> where?
[07:39] <kilonux> sorry
[07:39] <vidd_laptop> kilonux, i TOLD you not to do it in windows
[07:39] <kilonux> shit
[07:39] <vidd_laptop> !language
[07:39] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:40] <mr_> vidd_laptop: I get Socket 0 Brifge: [yenta_cardbus]  Socket 1 Bridge [yenta_cardbus]  Socket 1 Devide 0 [no driver] 
[07:40] <vidd_laptop> kilonux, if it did just come back...we'll still help you
[07:41] <vidd_laptop> mr_, was the lan card in when you installed?
[07:41] <kilonux> sorry for talking badly,
[07:41] <mr_> yepp, the card was in.
[07:42] <mr_> in damn small linux it worked out of the box. and both are debian-related, so it should work under xubuntu as well
[07:43] <vidd_laptop> /etc/init.d/pcmcia start
[07:44] <kilonux> thanks for help.  I'll see what there is make my son eat and come back tomorrow...?   BYE!
[07:44] <vidd_laptop> ok...i may not be here, but ppl will gladly help
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> mr_, is it working now?
[07:45] <mr_> @vidd_laptop: okay, i'm in /etc/init.d What do I have to change?
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> i didnt tell you to change anything
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> run the command
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> /etc/init.d/pcmcia start
[07:45] <mr_> "command unknown"
[07:46] <vidd_laptop> =\
[07:46] <mr_> or rather: "No such filke or directory"
[07:47] <vidd_laptop> there is no pcmcia in your /etc/init.d?
[07:47] <mr_> nope, just pcmciautils
[07:48] <vidd_laptop> ok....
[07:48] <vidd_laptop> /etc/init.d/pcmciautils start
[07:49] <mr_> "PCMCIA bridge driver already present in kernel"
[07:49] <vidd_laptop> ok
[07:49] <vidd_laptop> have you checked to see if you have an eth0?
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> wb cellofellow
[07:50] <cellofellow> hi
[07:50] <mr_> yeah, no eth0 or other networks...at least in the gui
[07:50] <cellofellow> ls -l /dev/eth*
[07:51] <mr_> @ cellofellow: thanks! Unfortunately it gave me an "No such file or directory"
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> acually, i have....on my sister's comp.....but it autodetectd
[07:52] <cellofellow> no ethernet. :(
[07:52] <mr_> it has been autodetected on damn small linux, so i'm a little perplexed, too
[07:52] <vidd_laptop> ya sure its in all the way?
[07:53] <cellofellow> what kernel did that version of DSL have?
[07:53] <mr_> it's all way in. DSL has an old 2.2 kernel, i think...
[07:53] <mr_> or maybe 2.4, not 2.6
[07:53] <cellofellow> My version of DSL I have, 2.3, has a 2.4 kernel
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> maybe his card is not compatible with the 2.6 kernel?
[07:54] <cellofellow> I know DSL has 2.4, and DSL-Not has 2.6.
[07:54] <cellofellow> perhaps. Or maybe there's some module we're missing.
[07:55] <cellofellow> dang. apt is downloading at 1/2KBps. That's about a 60th of normal.
[07:55] <mr_> workes with some tweaks on suse 10.0 a few moths ago. suse 10.0 is endowed with a 2.6 kernel
[07:56] <cellofellow> have you googled to find out what driver/module that card needs?
[07:56] <cellofellow> !google
[07:56] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[07:57] <mr_> yeah, i think i have it somewhere. but i don't have a clue how to change the driver/module on debian/xubuntu
[07:58] <cellofellow> modprobe I think.
[07:58] <cellofellow> But if the module is loaded, it should detect, udev create a dev file, and you be on your way.
[07:59] <mr_> is there a chance that a wrong module has been detected?
[07:59] <cellofellow> what did lspcmcia say again?
[08:00] <mr_> vidd_laptop: I get Socket 0 Brifge: [yenta_cardbus]  Socket 1 Bridge [yenta_cardbus]  Socket 1 Devide 0 [no driver] 
[08:00] <mr_> sorry, old message, I mean "@cellofellow"
[08:01] <cellofellow> cardbus. it seams like that means the PCMCIA slot is the one with driver issues, not the card.
[08:01] <cellofellow> whatabout lspci?
[08:02] <mr_> Hm, the cardbus bridge is detected: "TexasInstzruments PCI1450".
[08:03] <mr_> and it workes on dsl.
[08:03] <cellofellow> hmm. can you do dmesg | grep pcmcia ?
[08:05] <mr_> dmesg: "registering new device pcmcia 1.0"
[08:05] <cellofellow> that's it?
[08:05] <mr_> yepp. strange...
[08:05] <cellofellow> dmesg | grep pc
[08:05] <cellofellow> widen the search
[08:06] <mr_> hm: "PCMCIA card inserted into slot 1"
[08:06] <cellofellow> Dapper, right?
[08:07] <mr_> nope, 06.10, edgy
[08:07] <cellofellow> oh, so this doesn't apply 100% directly then. http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2006-June/003641.html
[08:08] <mr_> thanks, i'll take a quick look
[08:10] <cellofellow> try this: find /lib/modules -name yenta -print && lsmod | grep yenta
[08:11] <cellofellow> if the second returns nothing, try sudo modprobe yenta-something.
[08:11] <mr_> okay
[08:12] <cellofellow> then put in the card
[08:12] <cellofellow> and lspcmcia
[08:14] <mr_> first one returns with: yenta_socket 28812 4 rsrc_nonstatic 15360 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core 43924 pcmcia, yenta_socket, rsrc_nonstatic
[08:14] <cellofellow> but lsmod no dice? so the module isn't loaded.
[08:14] <cellofellow> try loading it with modprobe
[08:14] <cellofellow> modprobe yenta-socket I think
[08:15] <mr_> okay, did the modprobe. seems to be loaded
[08:15] <cellofellow> lsmod to be sure
[08:16] <mr_> yepp: yenta_socket 28812 4
[08:16] <cellofellow> after you insert the card, try ls -l /dev/eth* again.
[08:17] <mr_> still no directory found
[08:18] <cellofellow> lspcmcia
[08:19] <mr_> same as above. ifconfig doesn't come up with eth0 either
[08:19] <cellofellow> well, I guess that module didn't help.
[08:19] <cellofellow> I have no more ideas.
[08:19] <cellofellow> you could try a channel with some kernel gurus.
[08:21] <mr_> i tried lspcmcia -vv and it came up with: "state: on", "Product name: TDK Digital LAN+GSM". Everything seems fine...
[08:21] <cellofellow> oh, and nvidia-glx-legacy from repositories.
[08:21] <vidd_laptop> mr_, what DID ifconfig come up with?
[08:21] <cellofellow> wb vidd
[08:21] <mr_> no eth0, just l0
[08:22] <vidd_laptop> mr_, try a reboot
[08:22] <mr_> okay
[08:25] <cellofellow> mr_: and as soon as the system's back up, modprobe again.
[08:25] <mr_> @vidd_laptop: same thing. do you know how i can log the messages when inserting the card? To see if there are some error messages?
[08:25] <vidd_laptop> mr_, that im not sure about
[08:27] <mr_> thanks anyway...i think, I'll google the rest of the day...lol
[08:27] <cellofellow> mr_: dmesg is for that I think
[08:28] <mr_> i think var log messages something,
[08:29] <cellofellow> yeah, /var/log/something
[08:34] <Pirate-King> how do you install drivers for diamond stealth 64 video card?
[08:40] <Pirate-King> how do you stop processes to speed up a pc?
[09:03] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[09:03] <maxamillion> hi hi
[09:13] <ape1> how can i install "checkinstall" on xubuntu
[09:13] <ape1> im trying to install fluxbox
[09:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Fluxbox is available as a prebuilt package, though.
[09:15] <ape1> Reading package lists... Done
[09:15] <ape1> Building dependency tree
[09:15] <ape1> Reading state information... Done
[09:15] <ape1> E: Couldn't find package checkinstall
[09:15] <ape1> it is?
[09:15] <maxamillion> ape1: sudo aptitude install fluxbox
[09:15] <maxamillion> ;)
[09:15] <maxamillion> !fluxbox
[09:15] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[09:15] <ape1> aw damn i mistyped my name
[09:15] <ape1> maxamillion: its apex btw ;P
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info checkinstall
[09:15] <maxamillion> i will remember :)
[09:15] <ubotu> checkinstall: installation tracker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.0-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 88 kB, installed size 392 kB
[09:16] <ape1> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "fluxbox"
[09:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info fluxbox
[09:16] <ubotu> fluxbox: Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.15.1+1.0rc2-1 (edgy), package size 899 kB, installed size 2888 kB
[09:16] <maxamillion> ape1: ahhhh ok, you don't have the universe repository enabled
[09:17] <maxamillion> Ape1: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:17] <maxamillion> Ape1: uncomment (remove the # infront of) the line that says "universe" at the end of it
[09:17] <Ape1> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security universe
[09:18] <Ape1> that one?
[09:18] <maxamillion> Ape1: well ... that one too, there should be another one a few lines above it
[09:19] <Ape1> theres 6 in all
[09:19] <Ape1> that sound about right/
[09:19] <Ape1> ?
[09:19] <maxamillion> yeah ... you should uncomment one that will look something like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe" and then the security one that you already listed
[09:20] <Ape1> saved and quit
[09:20] <Ape1> repeat the aptitude
[09:21] <Ape1> ?
[09:21] <maxamillion> Ape1: sudo aptitude update
[09:21] <maxamillion> Ape1: then .. sudo aptitude install fluxbox
[09:22] <maxamillion> Ape1: once its done installing you can just log out and select fluxbox from the "session" button at the gdm login screen
[09:22] <Ape1> all a learning experience isnt it? :P
[09:23] <maxamillion> Ape1: yup :)
[09:24] <maxamillion> Ape1: also ... you will sometimes see people say "sudo apt-get install <whatever>" and others say "sudo aptitude install <whatever>" .... apt-get is a very capable package manager, but i prefer aptitude because it does a little more checking
[09:25] <Ape1> right
[09:25] <Ape1> hopefully i will be back in a sec
[09:25] <maxamillion> okies
[09:25] <Ape1> thanks max
[09:26] <Spasticteapot> Hello!
[09:26] <maxamillion> hi hi
[09:26] <Spasticteapot> Anyone know how to configure wifi in Xubuntu without another program?
[09:27] <Spasticteapot> I don't have any other internet access on the machine, and want to download GT2K and other useful things.
[09:27] <ape1> yep that seemed to have worked
[09:27] <maxamillion> ape1: awesome
[09:28] <ape1> one more question
[09:28] <maxamillion> ape1: you might need to do "sudo aptitude install menu" to get the fluxbox menu populated
[09:28] <Spasticteapot> Alternately, does anyone know where I can get GT2K in a .deb format?
[09:28] <maxamillion> ape1: shoot
[09:28] <ape1> how can i see the screen resolution im running
[09:28] <ape1> i think this laptop supports 1280x1024
[09:28] <ape1> but i dont think its running it
[09:29] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: in the terminal do "man iwconfig" <--that will give info on configuring wifi
[09:29] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: why would you need to download gtk2? ... xfce (the desktop environment used in xubuntu) is written in gtk2
[09:29] <Spasticteapot> Thanks.
[09:30] <maxamillion> ape1: ooooo, i don't know for sure how to see that in fluxbox
[09:30] <maxamillion> ape1: there is a gui tool in the settings manager of xfce that tells you though
[09:31] <Spasticteapot> One of the GT2K libraries for a wifi manager is missing, at least.
[09:31] <Spasticteapot> How do I get my wireless card to connect to any wireless network in range?
[09:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'xrandr' will show you your current screen res.
[09:32] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: do "ifconfig" and tell me what the wireless interface is called (eth1, wlan0, etc.)
[09:32] <maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkLe: interesting ... good to know :)
[09:32] <Spasticteapot> wlan0
[09:33] <ape1> im at 1024x768
[09:33] <maxamillion> ok ... "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any"
[09:33] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: ^^^
[09:33] <ape1> is there any way to bump it up?
[09:33] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: and to see what wireless networks are in range do "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan"
[09:33] <maxamillion> ape1: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:33] <ape1> the only res' on the manager are up to 800x600
[09:34] <Spasticteapot> Tried it - Error: unrecognised wireless request "any".
[09:34] <maxamillion> ape1: in there, towards the bottom there will be a list of resolutions, put 1280x1024 next to 1024x768 on each line it is listed, save and restart X ... or the whole machine, which ever you prefer
[09:35] <Spasticteapot> Neat trick!
[09:35] <Spasticteapot> I never knew about that one.
[09:36] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: uhmmm... not to sure why it would say that ... its even a listed example command from the man page
[09:36] <Spasticteapot> Must have made a mistake.
[09:37] <maxamillion> possible .. just copy and paste the command i wrote (without the quotes)
[09:37] <ape1> can i restart x within bash?
[09:37] <maxamillion> ape1: close all programs, save all documents, etc. and then do ctrl+alt+backspace ... that key combo will restart X
[09:38] <ape1> ok, lets give it a shot
[09:38] <maxamillion> .... well technically it will kill X and the init level will restart it
[09:38] <maxamillion> but ... he doesn't really _need_ that information
[09:39] <Spasticteapot> Well, I've entered it - it seems to work.
[09:39] <Spasticteapot> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any
[09:39] <Spasticteapot> It did'nt ask for my password, though.
[09:39] <Spasticteapot> And I'm still not apparently connected to anything.
[09:40] <Spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[09:40] <ape1> thats weird
[09:40] <ape1> i dont think that worked
[09:40] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: if its encrypted you have to know the essid ... so do ... "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" pick the one you want and do "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "whateverYouPicked" key "passwordHere"
[09:40] <maxamillion> ape1: ermmm... :(
[09:41] <Spasticteapot> It's unlocked
[09:41] <Spasticteapot> So can I enter it minus the "key" part?
[09:41] <maxamillion> yeah
[09:42] <Spasticteapot> What's the "copy" key combination for BASH?
[09:42] <maxamillion> Spasticteapot: then do "sudo dhclient wlan0" to get a dhcp assigned ip address
[09:42] <ape1> its not a major problem, its just the text renders weird
[09:42] <ape1> not as clear as id hoped
[09:42] <maxamillion> ape1: yeah ... i know what you mean ...
[09:42] <maxamillion> ape1: i had some resolution problems before
[09:43] <maxamillion> i gotta run, i'm at work and someone broke a machine on the seconds floor ... bbl
[09:43] <vidd_laptop> probably a windows machine
[09:43] <Spasticteapot> Maxamillion, I know your pain.
[09:43] <Spasticteapot> :)
[09:44] <Spasticteapot> dhclient says "no working leases in persistent database"
[09:44] <vidd_laptop> your dhcp is full?
[09:44] <Spasticteapot> But my Windows (yes, I know, yuck - I need to learn Linux before I install it!) laptop can connect just fine.
[09:45] <vidd_laptop> try setting a static ip
[09:45] <Spasticteapot> I don't know - it's not my router.
[09:45] <Spasticteapot> Keyword being "not mine".
[09:45] <Spasticteapot> We've got permission from the owner ...who, of course, has no idea how it works.
[09:45] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, that is OK....i sponged off the neighbor's internet for a while
[09:45] <Spasticteapot> Heh - we actually have permission for sponge.
[09:46] <Spasticteapot> Permission for sponge! Wow, my grammar sucks.
[09:46] <vidd_laptop> i dont know how to set it in CLI....
[09:46] <vidd_laptop> run sudo network-admin
[09:47] <Spasticteapot> connection-manager should fix this, I think.
[09:47] <Spasticteapot> However, it says "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libwxgtk2.6-0"
[09:47] <vidd_laptop> do you know the ip of the router?
[09:47] <Spasticteapot> I've got my Linux lappy and a flashdrive.
[09:48] <Spasticteapot> not really.
[09:48] <Spasticteapot> I just know the SSID.
[09:48] <vidd_laptop> do you have a windows machine on it as well?
[09:48] <vidd_laptop> or you dual booting?
[09:50] <Spasticteapot> just Xubuntu.
[09:50] <vidd_laptop> you said your windows machine connected just fine
[09:50] <Spasticteapot> Yah, I know.
[09:50] <vidd_laptop> wb (again) cellofel1ow
[09:51] <vidd_laptop> is that machine nearby or is it a dual boot on the one your working on now
[09:52] <Spasticteapot> My windows laptop is sitting next to it.
[09:52] <Spasticteapot> Wait a sec - I'm trying to install the missing library for Wifi-manager.
[09:52] <vidd_laptop> win xp?
[09:53] <vidd_laptop> is the windows laptop win xp or something else?
[09:55] <Spasticteapot> Yah - XP pro.
[09:55] <vidd_laptop> ok
[09:55] <Spasticteapot> I'm hoping to install Xubuntu as soon as I figure out how to make it work properly.
[09:55] <vidd_laptop> go to start>run
[09:55] <vidd_laptop> type cmd in the box
[09:56] <Spasticteapot> So, I'm at the command prompt - now what?
[09:56] <Spasticteapot> D'OH!
[09:56] <Spasticteapot> T3h brilliance!
[09:56] <vidd_laptop> ipconfig
[09:56] <Spasticteapot> Already done - I make money fixing Windows PCs.
[09:56] <Spasticteapot> I'm no expert, but then again, most of what I do is spyware removal.
[09:57] <Spasticteapot> I have the DNS suffix, IP address, subnet mask, and default gateway.
[09:57] <Spasticteapot> Where do I feed this stuff in Linux?
[09:57] <vidd_laptop> sudo network-admin
[09:58] <Spasticteapot> I should mention that you're currently helping a group of students who buildrobots, and have aabsolutely no money.
[09:58] <Spasticteapot> So, yeah...thanks.
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> do you have it up now?
[09:59] <Spasticteapot> I just get the "network settings" GUI thingamajig.
[09:59] <Spasticteapot> ...with a properties tag.
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> highlight etho
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> click properties
[09:59] <Spasticteapot> This is wlan0.
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> ok...wlan0
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> then properties
[10:00] <Spasticteapot> What should I enter for the IP address?
[10:00] <vidd_laptop> what is the default gateway?
[10:00] <Spasticteapot> 192.168.1.254
[10:00] <vidd_laptop> 192.168.1.104
[10:00] <Spasticteapot> Okay, problem.
[10:00] <vidd_laptop> ...sorru
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> 114
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> what problem?
[10:01] <Spasticteapot> Does'nt the router use DHCP?
[10:01] <Spasticteapot> Ah, forget it - I'll assume you know more than I do.
[10:01] <Spasticteapot> (You do.)
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> yeah...but the DHCP buffer is full
[10:02] <ape1> reboot!
[10:02] <ape1> brb
[10:02] <Spasticteapot> In laymans terms ... what does setting my IP address do?
[10:02] <vidd_laptop> it ignores the dhcp server of the router and tells the router "This is me"
[10:02] <Spasticteapot> The problem is that the router seems to be ignoring it.
[10:03] <Spasticteapot> No connection at all.
[10:03] <vidd_laptop> have all the settings set?
[10:03] <Spasticteapot> Wait, made a typo.
[10:03] <Spasticteapot> 192.168.1.04 instead of 192.168.1.104
[10:03] <Spasticteapot> But it won't work.
[10:03] <Spasticteapot> Grr...
[10:03] <vidd_laptop> make sure you have the check in the box that saus "enable this connection"
[10:04] <vidd_laptop> try 214
[10:04] <Spasticteapot> Will do.
[10:04] <vidd_laptop> what is the ip of the windows machine?
[10:04] <Spasticteapot> 192.168.1.134
[10:05] <Spasticteapot> Wait a second - I bet that the router isn't locked.
[10:05] <vidd_laptop> wow...there are ALOT of machines connected to that router
[10:05] <Spasticteapot> I figure nobody will notice if I "fix" some settings....
[10:05] <Spasticteapot> Wow, that was easy.
[10:05] <vidd_laptop> default passord is usually "admin"
[10:06] <vidd_laptop> what did you do?
[10:06] <Spasticteapot> Blast it, it's a 2wire.
[10:06] <Spasticteapot> They have a default password written on the bottom.
[10:06] <Commander-Crowe> how would I completly erase my HDD including the MBR?
[10:06] <Spasticteapot> So, no worky.
[10:07] <Spasticteapot> Commander-Crowe, there are several pieces of software that do that.
[10:07] <Spasticteapot> Darik's Boot and Nuke is supposed to be good.
[10:07] <vidd_laptop> Commander-Crowe, got to the HDD maker's web site and get the floppy to do a low-lvl format
[10:08] <Spasticteapot> Boot and Nuke is much more throughough - it sets all the data to 1 and then 0, I believe.
[10:08] <Spasticteapot> Completely GONE.
[10:08] <Spasticteapot> Now Vidd_laptop is free to get back to helping my sorry ass.
[10:08] <Spasticteapot> :)
[10:08] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, did you set the ip to 192.168.1.214?
[10:08] <Spasticteapot> Yup.
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> network name correctly entered?
[10:09] <Spasticteapot> Yah.
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> passord type set to plain?
[10:09] <Spasticteapot> Yup.
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> network password field COMPLETELY blank (not spaces)
[10:10] <DeCaelo> OMG, does anyone know how to get Xfce's session to stop saving? I keep unchecking the stupid option and it keeps saving my session nonetheless.
[10:11] <DeCaelo> My panel crashed while I was logging out, and now my Xfce loads every time without a panel. I alt+f2 to get one running, but then when I try to quit, it tells me xfce4-session isn't running, so it can't quit.. and then when I run xfce4-session through alt-f2, it loads a session but takes about 10 minutes, and after that 10 mins, I still get the same problem.. (no panel, no session)
[10:11] <vidd_laptop> i dont know why i keep dropping
[10:12] <Spasticteapot> Me either.
[10:12] <Spasticteapot> Er...it still won't work.
[10:12] <Spasticteapot> Flipping annoying.
[10:12] <vidd_laptop> Spasticteapot, try a reboot
[10:12] <Spasticteapot> I have.
[10:12] <Spasticteapot> I'm going to try manually entering info in iwconfig.
[10:12] <vidd_laptop> i know it sounds windows-ish
[10:13] <vidd_laptop> no...now that we entered the static ip
[10:14] <Spasticteapot> ?
[10:14] <Spasticteapot> Still won't bloody work.
[10:14] <Spasticteapot> iwconfig says ESSID: Off/any.
[10:14] <Spasticteapot> Why?
[10:15] <vidd_laptop> what did you use to configure the wlan card?
[10:15] <vidd_laptop> ndiswrapper?
[10:15] <Spasticteapot> Yup.
[10:16] <vidd_laptop> ping
[10:16] <Spasticteapot> It worked on my other machine, same wifi card, except in Mepis.
[10:16] <Spasticteapot> Ping?
[10:16] <vidd_laptop> modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:16] <Spasticteapot> Nothing seems to happen.
[10:16] <vidd_laptop> now load network-admin
[10:17] <vidd_laptop> remove the check from "enable this connection" and replace it
[10:17] <vidd_laptop> then hit close
[10:18] <Spasticteapot> And then?
[10:18] <vidd_laptop> it "should" try to connect
[10:18] <vidd_laptop> what version you running?6.10, or 6.06?
[10:19] <bruenig> where is the menu stuff at, I thought it was in /usr/share/applications/ but when I edit those files, nothing happens in the menus
[10:19] <Spasticteapot> 6.10
[10:20] <vidd_laptop> what type of wifi card you got running?
[10:20] <vidd_laptop> lspci | grep Network
[10:20] <Spasticteapot> How do I make a divider thingy?
[10:21] <vidd_laptop> see the backslash?
[10:21] <Spasticteapot> my card's a WUSB11 vr.
[10:21] <Spasticteapot> D'oh.
[10:21] <Spasticteapot> WUSB11 V4.
[10:21] <vidd_laptop> or just copy/paste the command
[10:21] <Spasticteapot> Ralink chipset, I think.
[10:22] <vidd_laptop> usb?
[10:22] <Spasticteapot> Yup.
[10:22] <vidd_laptop> then lsusb | Network
[10:22] <DeCaelo> Anyone know specifically why Xfce wouldn't see the session manager, whereas I can clearly see it in top
[10:22] <Spasticteapot> Network: Command not found.
[10:23] <vidd_laptop> then just lsusb
[10:23] <Spasticteapot> Already done.
[10:23] <Spasticteapot> (Yay! I figured it out!)
[10:23] <vidd_laptop> what do you see?
[10:23] <Spasticteapot> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 13b1:000b Linksys WUSB11 v4.0 802.11b Adapter
[10:24] <Spasticteapot> Well, at least I'm getting typing practice.
[10:24] <vidd_laptop> ewwww
[10:24] <Spasticteapot> What?
[10:24] <Spasticteapot> If the next words you say is "that won't work", I'm going to scream.
[10:24] <Spasticteapot> Loudly.
[10:24] <vidd_laptop> it *WILL* work.....
[10:28] <Schijnn> Are there any 3rd-party repos with more recent versions of packages than the official ones?
[10:28] <Spastic_Teapot> I be back!
[10:28] <Spastic_Teapot> The microwave knocks out the wifi...
[10:29] <Spastic_Teapot> Is vidd_laptop here!
[10:29] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[10:29] <Spastic_Teapot> Woot!
[10:29] <Spastic_Teapot> Lead me on, tech-god!
[10:29] <Spastic_Teapot> :)
[10:29] <Spastic_Teapot> Seriously, though, what's wrong with my wifi adapter?
[10:30] <vidd_laptop> tech god my [explicative deleted] 
[10:30] <Spastic_Teapot> heh.
[10:30] <vidd_laptop> i threw mine out the window
[10:30] <vidd_laptop> and bought me an ethernet bridge
[10:31] <Gunslinger|Deags> can someone help me with my ubuntu boot problem i have to have this fixed for school tomm it just wont boot anymore and it tends to hang the most on loading hardware drivers this is a 1ghz 255 ram laptop and im not sure what to do if it doesnt hang there it hangs while checking root file systems
[10:31] <vidd_laptop> this is a very difficult device...and finiky
[10:33] <Spastic_Teapot> Tell me something I don't know.
[10:33] <Spastic_Teapot> It is, however, what I have.
[10:33] <vidd_laptop> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[10:33] <vidd_laptop> what ya get?
[10:33] <Spastic_Teapot> Driver installed, hardware present.
[10:34] <vidd_laptop> what happens when you scan?
[10:35] <Spastic_Teapot> Scan?
[10:35] <Spastic_Teapot> I get wireless networks with iwlist.
[10:35] <Spastic_Teapot> I've also got a "Gigafast" 802.11g usb wifi device.
[10:35] <Spastic_Teapot> LSusb with it plugged in says "ZyDAS".
[10:37] <vidd_laptop> and is the desided network listed?
[10:37] <Spastic_Teapot> Yup.
[10:37] <Spastic_Teapot> The ZyDAS adapter would be preferable, though.
[10:37] <vidd_laptop> what does it say?
[10:37] <Spastic_Teapot> http://www.theloveoflinux.com/hwdb/index.php?View=entry&CategoryID=8&EntryID=149
[10:37] <Spastic_Teapot> 2WIRE950, rate, mode, blah blah blah.
[10:38] <slow-motion> n8
[10:38] <vidd_laptop> cat /etc/iftab
[10:39] <Spastic_Teapot> It lits ETH0 only.
[10:39] <vidd_laptop> hhmmmm
[10:40] <vidd_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys_WUSB11v4_%28ndiswrapper%29?
[10:40] <vidd_laptop> you follow this document to install?
[10:40] <Spastic_Teapot> No, but I do know that it's compatible.
[10:41] <vidd_laptop> open that page....
[10:41] <Spastic_Teapot> I think the driver is now part of the kernel.
[10:41] <somerville32> Decaelo_, ping
[10:41] <vidd_laptop> and scroll to step 6
[10:41] <Spastic_Teapot> http://zd1211.ath.cx/
[10:42] <vidd_laptop> Spastic_Teapot, you there?
[10:43] <Spastic_Teapot> Yep...reading tutorial.
[10:43] <Spastic_Teapot> Much thanks.
[10:43] <vidd_laptop> are you at step 6?
[10:43] <Spastic_Teapot> yup.
[10:45] <vidd_laptop> the big box look like what you got?
[10:46] <vidd_laptop> Spastic_Teapot, if you are using xubuntu, replace "gedit" with "mousepad" or "nano"
[10:47] <Spastic_Teapot> Now I'm all confused.
[10:47] <vidd_laptop> what?
[10:48] <Spastic_Teapot> Do I just type this in?
[10:48] <Spastic_Teapot> user@ubuntu:~/wusb11/WUSB11v4_08272004/Drivers$ sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:48] <Spastic_Teapot> Except, of course, ben@four instead of user@ubuntu
[10:48] <Spastic_Teapot> Four is the name of the PC, Ben is the generic user name.
[10:49] <vidd_laptop> you type in sudo mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[10:49] <vidd_laptop> the ......$ is already there
[10:49] <Spastic_Teapot> OWhat's that buisness with ~/wusib11/WUSB11...
[10:49] <Spastic_Teapot> Oh.
[10:50] <vidd_laptop> and you need to replace gedit (not installed on your system) with mousepad
[10:50] <vidd_laptop> the code you see is just copy/pasted from someone's terminal window
[10:50] <Spastic_Teapot> Oh.
[10:51] <Spastic_Teapot> I have no wireless key.
[10:51] <vidd_laptop> then skip that line
[10:52] <Spastic_Teapot> Should leave Wireless-Key1 blank, or just eliminate that line?
[10:52] <Spastic_Teapot> Oh, okay.
[10:52] <vidd_laptop> if it dont work, we can come back and enter it with just blank
[10:52] <vidd_laptop> i need to go smoke...be back in like 5 minutes
[10:53] <Spastic_Teapot>   No problem.
[10:59] <Spastic_Teapot> Bother it all...now the network config menu's gone
[11:00] <Spastic_Teapot> Well, this is getting annoying.
[11:00] <Spastic_Teapot> Why the frell won't my wifi card work?
[11:01] <vidd_laptop> im back
[11:01] <vidd_laptop> sudo ifup wlan0
[11:02] <Spastic_Teapot> Interface WLAN0 already configured.
[11:02] <Spastic_Teapot> But it still won't work.
[11:02] <Spastic_Teapot> !#@$@$! it all!
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it all! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <Spastic_Teapot> Stupid crappy wireless card.
[11:03] <Spastic_Teapot> I wish the "people in charge" had gotten off their asses and given us a proper internet connection.
[11:03] <Spastic_Teapot> In the mean time, I'm stuck mucking about with wifi adapters.
[11:03] <vidd_laptop> iwconfig
[11:03] <Spastic_Teapot> ESSID off/any.
[11:04] <vidd_laptop> gggrrrrr
[11:04] <Spastic_Teapot> Yeah, that's my thoughts as well.
[11:04] <Pobega> What have you done so far?
[11:04] <Spastic_Teapot> Tried to set up a tempermental wifi adapter in Xubuntu.
[11:04] <Spastic_Teapot> It's a WUSB11v4 under NDISwrapper.
[11:04] <Pobega> And how far have you gotten?
[11:05] <Spastic_Teapot> Regardless of what I do, it won't bloody connect to the unlocked network!
[11:05] <vidd_laptop> do the steps in step 8 and reboot
[11:05] <Spastic_Teapot> I installed the driver; I've tried mucking about with /etc/network/interfaces, I've tried everything.
[11:05] <Pobega> You still need an ESSID though.
[11:06] <Spastic_Teapot> WWell, I'm trying to reinstall.
[11:06] <Spastic_Teapot> Yah, I've entered it.
[11:06] <Pobega> Did you try gnome-network-manager?
[11:06] <Spastic_Teapot> XFCE means no Gnome.
[11:06] <Pobega> I'm using Xubuntu and gnome-network-manager
[11:06] <Spastic_Teapot> Network-manager requires a few packages I don't have, apparently.
[11:06] <Pobega> Are you sure? I got mine no problems.
[11:06] <Pobega> First thing I downloaded on my fresh install of Xubuntu
[11:07] <Spastic_Teapot> A GT2k library is missing, which in turn needs another library, which in turn needs another....
[11:07] <Spastic_Teapot> Hmm...I'm just using GT2k Network-Manager.
[11:07] <vidd_laptop> Pobega, he has no internet connection
[11:07] <Spastic_Teapot> Not Gnome-Network-Manager.
[11:07] <Pobega> Oh, none at all?
[11:07] <vidd_laptop> right
[11:07] <Spastic_Teapot> Yah...I'm stuck with moving .deb's with a flash drive.
[11:07] <Pobega> Ah crap.
[11:07] <Spastic_Teapot> Rebooting Xubuntu...
[11:07] <Spastic_Teapot> Done.
[11:08] <Spastic_Teapot> Still won't work. I have to go now...
[11:08] <vidd_laptop> modprope ndiswrapper
[11:08] <Spastic_Teapot> Stupid deadlines.
[11:08] <Pobega> Ugh.
[11:08] <Pobega> Do you have any way to bring files from an internet connected computer to your current computer though?
[11:09] <vidd_laptop> flash drive
[11:09] <Pobega> Also, you need the ESSID, don't you?
[11:09] <Pobega> That's the network's ID
[11:09] <Pobega> If you want it, http://pobega.ath.cx:1020/network-manager-gnome_0.6.3-2ubuntu6_i386.deb
[11:09] <Pobega> I don't think it depends on much, unless you've tried.
[11:10] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Jester45
[11:10] <Pobega> Oh wow, it does.
[11:10] <vidd_laptop> only like have the gnome universe
[11:11] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[11:11] <vidd_laptop> 15 minutes to go....
[11:57] <age6racer> hi guys... I have a couple of launchers that start apps under wine. but these apps need to be run with sudo. How do I do the command for this?
[11:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Use 'gksudo' and it will give you a popup requesting the password.
[11:59] <age6racer> great thanks
[12:00] <Jester45> or make a script owned by root that is pionted to from launcher
[12:03] <somerville32> Jester45: That wouldn't work
[12:03] <age6racer> the gksudo thing did give me the popup, but the application doesnt run afterwards??
[12:04] <somerville32> age6racer: What is the command you are executing?
[12:04] <age6racer> gksudo wine c://path_to_application.exe
[12:04] <somerville32> try:
[12:06] <somerville32> Terminal -x sudo wine C://path_to_application.com
[12:08] <age6racer> yes that worked. But I'd rather not have the terminal running like that.
[12:08] <age6racer> if possible.
[12:08] <Jester45> try my way
[12:09] <somerville32> Jester45: That won't work
[12:09] <Jester45> why not
[12:09] <somerville32> Just because the file is owned by root, doesn't mean it is executed as root
[12:09] <Jester45> well my sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade works fine
[12:10] <somerville32> Thats because you're using sudo
[12:10] <age6racer> jester45 can you give me thhe script you used pls? I don't really know how to do them.
[12:10] <vidd_laptop> is it possible to just have the launcher as sudo wine C://app.exe?
[12:10] <somerville32> yes
[12:10] <somerville32> just have gksudo wine C://app.exe
[12:10] <Jester45> what a bout on the launcher propies pressing run in terminal?
[12:11] <age6racer> will that open a terminal?
[12:11] <somerville32> Yes
[12:11] <Jester45> he said that doesnt work the popup appers but after entering pass the app doesnt start
[12:11] <somerville32> "gksudo wine C://app.exe" <-- will not
[12:11] <somerville32> Doesn't mean it is wrong
[12:12] <vidd_laptop> age6racer, what app you running in wine that you need god rights for?
[12:13] <age6racer> Photoshop and Illustrator. Don't ask why.. I have no idea.
[12:13] <age6racer> doesnt need it on my ubuntu desktop. But on my xubuntu laptop install it does
[12:14] <age6racer> sudo I mean... not the adobe products
[12:14] <vidd_laptop> then your wine must be set up wrong (i would think)
[12:15] <vidd_laptop> did you just copy/past the files from one machine to the othere?
[12:17] <vidd_laptop> if you did, then you would just need to chown them
[12:17] <vidd_laptop> or am i mistaken?
[12:18] <age6racer> No I installed wine from synaptic
[12:19] <somerville32> That isn't what he is asking
[12:19] <vidd_laptop> right...but the apps your trying to run....did you install them via wine
[12:19] <age6racer> yes
[12:20] <age6racer> In order to install them I had to run wine as sudo or it didnt have permission to write to the directories
[12:20] <vidd_laptop> THAT is the cause
[12:20] <vidd_laptop> you (should) be able to chown the entire directory and be able to run as user
[12:20] <age6racer> I don't mind running wine with sudo. I just don't want a command line open when I do. That must be possible somehow
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> or set the read/write/xecutee to all for the entire directory
[12:22] <Jester45> age6racer: you could be opening your system to window's viruses
[12:22] <age6racer> by running wine you mean?
[12:22] <Jester45> age6racer: if you give the wine apps sudo power
[12:22] <age6racer> oh i see
[12:23] <age6racer> yeah. I only run those two apps. I tink it'll be okay. I don't have an urge to use internet explorer or Outlook! haha
[12:23] <Jester45> no wine is fine when hte programs can only change the user stuff but when they get access to the whole system and if your using things other than games and standalone programs then you might be fine but you could still get sthings
[12:24] <maxamillion> age6racer: wine is an attempt to be a complete windows emulation, so if a virus affects windows, it will in theory affect wine in the same way... now as long as your wine execution has limited privilages then (again, in theory) the worse that could happen is you need to remove wine and your emulated C: drive directory, but if you give it sudo privilages it could potentially frag the entire system
[12:24] <Jester45> age6racer: yes i figured you didnt want to use IE or somthing useless like that
[12:24] <Jester45> maxamillion: its not emulation
[12:24] <age6racer> Jester45: I wasn't being sarcastic. Just a little joke.
[12:25] <vidd_laptop> IE is VERY useful.....makes ppl appeaciate firefox
[12:25] <somerville32> age6racer, Doesn't matter. There are known exploits for both of those programs.
[12:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In theory, that's an issue.  In practice, there are only a handful of viruses compatible with wine.
[12:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (Yes, there were a series of tests done on that.)