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Hobbseemorning all01:01
tomahi Hobbsee01:04
tomahow's life?01:06
Hobbseegood.  didnt get attacked by any random people in the city yesterday, so that was good01:07
tomaisn't that what usualy should happen?01:11
Hobbseewell, i'm female, adn the fact that i own a mobile (cell) phone means i must have some money01:12
Hobbseeso...combine them...01:12
tomahmm, ok. every girl 10+ seems to have a phone over here01:13
tomaomg ogg opens kedit? what have i done...01:15
Hobbseeyes, exactly.  most people have phones here too01:16
nixternalnot my daughter, although she tried. instead she got a laptop with edubuntu and an iPod :)01:22
nixternaltold her she can have a cell phone when she starts driving01:23
nixternalactually, we caved in and got her a TrakPhone that has the GPS stuff built in01:23
Hobbseenixternal: why so?01:23
Hobbseeoh yeah, people using cell phones irresponsibly01:23
nixternalbut she can only call us, 911, and her grandparents01:23
Hobbseenixternal: tell her she has to pay for it :P01:23
nixternalshe is 10, and if i do the math, i believe it would be me paying for it01:23
nixternalas i am sure she would work overtime in the chores department01:24
Hobbseedidnt realise she was so young01:24
nixternalyes, and i wish she could stay that way :)01:24
nixternal</typical father>01:24
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about derivative - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:17
Hobbseemmm....kubuntu colours02:35
Hobbseenixternal: let's have pink!!!!02:35
manchickenIt's adept hacking time02:38
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manchickenI think Adept was written intentionally to throw me off ^_^02:39
manchickenI wonder if we should modify our emacs21 build to use GTK instead of x.02:40
manchickenAh, wait, no, that's 22 that supports GTK.02:41
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nixternalno pink ;p02:48
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manchickenThe green in the netvibes logo maybe.02:49
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manchickenI can't figure out what is inserting items into the package list... I bet it's super simple, but I'm just not seeing it.02:53
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manchickenWHY can't I find the insertItem call?!03:08
manchickenIt's simply not there!!!!!!03:08
manchickenGREP DOES NOT LIE!03:08
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manchickenw00t!  I'm making progress on adept!!!!05:12
nixternaland im making progress on a new docs package for feisty :)05:15
manchickenWe need someone to take some dictation on this adept code.05:16
nixternalisn't there any dev docs for it at all?05:17
n8k99mnchicken: how would that work?05:17
manchickenn8k99: I scream about a problem in a document, and there's a person or bot that picks it up and puts it into a document.05:18
n8k99oh nice!05:18
n8k99um, good luck with that! ;-)05:18
manchickenerr, not a problem with a document.  A problem with a codebase.05:19
n8k99I grok05:19
n8k99is there anything I can do to help?05:20
crimsunyou can write down what manchicken screams.05:20
n8k99but I cant hear him05:20
n8k99so there must be no problems!!05:20
nixternaldefinitely couldn't hear him after the BEARS win today :)05:21
manchickenn8k99: What's your phone number?  I can fix that problem ;)05:21
nixternaland he lives 30 minutes away ;p05:21
manchickenBET YOUR ASS THEY WON.05:21
manchickenGood as Gould.05:21
nixternalahh, watching NBC5 i take it ;p05:21
n8k99867-5309 I live with Jenny05:21
manchickenNaw, I was watching Fox.05:21
nixternaldude, i gave that phone number to my brother one time when he asked for my cell phone05:21
nixternalthat and 588-230005:22
nixternalfive eight eight, two three hundred, EMPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE!05:22
nixternalwhy is xsltproc so slow in pbuilder05:23
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manchickenOkay, so here's a question...05:57
manchickenIs the "section" for a package going to be "kde" for a main KDE package, and "universe/kde" for a non-main package?05:58
manchickenright now, the pattern I'm noticing is that non-main packages seem to have restricted/* or universe/* prefixing the section.05:59
yuriymanchicken: have you tried asking mornfall for some pointers?06:09
Jucatomanchicken: that seems to be the pattern I'm observing too06:11
manchickenDon't recon I've seen mornfall around.06:11
Jucatomanchicken: he's in #kde-devel whenever he's online06:12
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Jucato(he hasn't gone in here for quite some time now)06:12
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nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/work/feisty/kdocs/08:01
Hobbseeheya nixternal08:02
nixternalit builds and works on a feisty box. that is the latest snapshot of kubuntu docs, still pretty so/so at this point, but it would be nice to get them in and hope people catch some stuff for me and file boogs08:02
nixternalhiya Hobbsee08:02
nixternalman, i have been breaking my back with the new kubuntu docs stuff08:03
nixternalone of these days maybe i will be happy with it08:03
nixternali have been knee deep in xsl template files, and ended up doing a little hackish maneuver to get 99% of it to work08:04
nixternali want to try and get a new doc release for each pre-release this time through, hopefully to prevent the bugs from showing after final release this time08:06
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Hobbseeheya Lure08:29
Lurehi Hobbsee08:29
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LureHobbsee: thanks - I needed that08:30
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Jucatoanyone here using Scribus?08:36
nixternal\sh_away: about your vmware-server, you have build-essential installed correct?08:37
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nixternalJucato: i have played with it08:39
Jucatonixternal: have you been able to print in scribus-ng on edgy?08:39
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nixternalya, i printed business cards with it08:40
nixternalng is the latest version correct?08:40
nixternal1.3.3.x or whatever08:40
nixternalya, i print with it08:40
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Jucatobah... :(08:41
nixternalwhat printer do you have?08:41
JucatoI can't print with any other app (KDE apps of course) but not scribus...08:41
JucatoHP PSC 3-in-108:41
nixternalyou know what, i don't have the latest latest either of scribus, i seen they recently came otu with a new edition08:41
nixternali have an hp psc161008:41
Jucatorawr... ok now I'm just plain annoyed...08:41
Jucatoprobably some packages I'm missing... nixternal, would you know what cups or gs packages I need?08:42
nixternalJucato: i have no clue, i have never done anything funky. i use what was installed by default08:42
HawkwindAnyone here play secondlife at all by chance ?08:42
nixternali don't, but they were playing it at the loco meeting on saturday08:43
nixternallooked pretty cool08:43
HawkwindSupposed to be the hottest game around right now08:43
Jucatoif only it allowed for a sort of RPG/Fantasy type of living... then I'm sold08:43
HawkwindI created a character and have loaded it, just no idea what exactly I'm supposed to be doing yet08:44
HawkwindJucato: Seems your sold then!08:44
JucatoHawkwind: ??08:44
HawkwindI dunno, just sounded kewl to say08:44
HawkwindJucato: secondlife.com and read up a bit.  You might like it08:44
JucatoI've read some of it... but I'm looking for stuff like wizards and magic and dragons and nixternal's to slay08:45
Jucatoscratch that last one...08:45
nixternalthe bed is going to slay me here in a few08:45
Jucatoyou guys on the same timezone (CST) should be heading for bed :P08:46
nixternalyou know it08:46
HawkwindJucato: xu4 is where it's at then :-)08:46
Jucatoheh ultima..08:46
HawkwindJucato: Unfortunately, noone will package it for *Ubuntu, so you'd have to use 3rd party repos08:47
Jucatoit's FOSS?08:48
nixternalg'nite all!08:48
Jucatonight nixternal!08:48
HawkwindJucato: Almost every other distro known packages it08:48
HawkwindIt's even in Debian AFAIK08:49
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kwwiiok, who wants to work on getting this stuff running with kdm?08:59
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kwwiihi Tonio_09:01
Tonio_hey kwwii fine ?09:01
kwwiiTonio_: doing very well, thanks09:01
kwwiiTonio_: and you?09:01
Tonio_fine too ;) searching for a new appartment09:01
kwwiioh, that sounds like fun!09:02
Tonio_not that much but well... :)09:02
Tonio_I have to fix the broken guidance package09:03
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Tonio_hey Hobbsee !!09:03
HobbseeTonio_: and https://launchpad.net/bugs/78947 if you like09:03
UbugtuMalone bug 78947 in kdebase "File overwrite problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:03
Tonio_Hobbsee will do09:04
HobbseeTonio_: :)09:04
HobbseeLure: did you ever get pykde uploaded?09:08
LureHobbsee: not yet :-(09:08
LureHobbsee: no core-dev around...09:09
HobbseeLure: well, Tonio_'s here, mithrandir and pitti are in #ubuntu-devel09:09
HobbseeLure: i'm sure one of them will upload, then we get most of kde installable again09:09
LureHobbsee: will ping them in #ubuntu-devel09:09
HobbseeLure: OK09:09
HobbseeLure: i'm sure that pitti would upload for you, if tollef's busy09:09
LureHobbsee: interesting - bug 79191 is marked fixed released09:10
UbugtuMalone bug 79191 in python-kde3 "no python2.5 modules" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7919109:10
LureHobbsee: let's wait for feisty-changes to see the upload...09:11
HobbseeLure: you didn't test the patch; it will fail to build. the current version in feisty has all the fixes needed.09:11
HobbseeLure: you may want to ask doko about that.  or try to build the patch09:12
Tonio_Lure: I can do any upload if needed09:12
Tonio_Lure: are you aware of guidance issues ?09:12
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LureTonio_: yes, I am - problem is that we first need PyKDE and pykdeextensions for 2.509:15
LureTonio_: then it should be simple ;-)09:16
LureHobbsee: my debdiff built for me and works here09:16
HobbseeLure: hrm.  ask Tonio_ :)09:16
Tonio_Lure: I'm having a look09:21
Tonio_Lure: just have a couple of uploads to perform first09:21
Tonio_and before that I have to install my new printer ;)09:25
HobbseeTonio_: dont try your new printer with feisty09:25
Hobbseewell, you can try09:25
Tonio_Hobbsee, indeed ;)09:25
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Tonio_Hobbsee ah ?09:25
Tonio_Hobbsee it is a wireless one...09:25
Tonio_opportunity to test ;)09:26
HobbseeTonio_: ahh :)09:26
Tonio_Hobbsee the network printer scanning fails in kde09:43
HobbseeTonio_: yep.  seems so09:43
Hobbseedid on edgy for a while too09:43
Tonio_it tries to scan on instead of my subnet09:43
Hobbseebut then some update fixed it09:43
Hobbseeyou can change teh subnet it takes...09:43
Tonio_Hobbseedo you get the same issue ?09:43
Tonio_Hobbsee yes but it doesn't seem to find it....09:43
Tonio_hum nope it worked the second time :)09:45
RiddellLure: did your patch to pykdeextensions get applied?09:47
Riddelloh, patch was to python-kde309:47
Hobbseehey Riddell09:48
HobbseeTonio_: yay :)09:48
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Hobbseegah.  why is mum always on the phone when i want to ask her something...09:49
Riddellpick up other phone and talk?09:50
Hobbseedoesnt work, actually.  which really sucks, when talking to relatives via phone09:51
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Tonio_Hobbsee I can print within the network10:06
Tonio_I had an issue but that's relative to brother driver actualy10:06
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HobbseeTonio_: hrm, OK10:33
Tonio_Hobbsee do you know if it is possible to scan over the network with sane ?10:49
HobbseeTonio_: sane?10:49
Tonio_Hobbsee yes10:49
Riddellsane is for image scanners10:50
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RiddellTonio_: you mean sharing scanner from one machine over network?  no idea10:51
Tonio_Riddell: just found a tuto :)10:52
Tonio_Riddell: well my new printer has scanner and wireless so I'd like to try this in fact10:52
Tonio_looks hard to configure but possible10:52
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\shis kdelibs4-dev usable again?10:57
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HobbseeUnable to retrieve printer info. Printer answered:11:02
HobbseeTonio_: ^ is what i get when scanning for, then clicking on, the ipp printer11:02
Riddellugly URL11:03
Tonio_Hobbsee there is a tool provided by brother to configure sane11:04
Tonio_it works with IP but i'd like to use the nodename11:04
HobbseeTonio_: ah11:04
Tonio_just don't know how to get the good one ;)11:04
HobbseeRiddell: er, yes...dunno how to fix it though - i had this problem in edgy, but one of the updates fixed it11:04
HobbseeRiddell: if you knew, i'd be greatful11:12
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HobbseeTonio_: Riddell: looks like you can just force it, if you know the IPP address of the printer11:20
Tonio_Hobbsee it works :)11:21
Tonio_Hobbsee the only thing is that my dhcp router sucks and dns doesn't recognize the nodename...11:22
HobbseeTonio_: yay :)11:22
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Tonio_hum, well it worked except kooka crashed :)11:24
Hobbseedarn :P11:24
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Hobbseeyes, it's 9.30pm...11:24
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm about to upload kdebluetooth and a merged with debian digikam12:15
Tonio_printer testing is over and everything works, including scanning over the network ;)12:16
Riddellwrite a howto!12:17
RiddellTonio_: what's new in kdebluetooth?12:17
Tonio_Riddell: sure, but that's brother specific since I used a script provided by them ;)12:17
Tonio_Riddell: I fixed desktop files (dunhandler path)12:17
Riddelloh aye12:17
Tonio_Riddell: I'll probably document the brother wikipage, but that's not a generic process12:18
Tonio_brother rocks ;)12:18
Tonio_amazing capabilities for the price (100), with full wireless support12:19
Tonio_Riddell: do I need to work on guidance or are you or Lure on the problem ?12:20
RiddellTonio_: not too sure, pykde3 and pykdeextensions seem to be built for python 2.5 now12:21
Riddellso maybe guidance just needs s/2.4/2.5/ I'm not sure12:21
Tonio_Riddell: I'm testing, gimme a second ;)12:21
Tonio_Riddell: it's building I'll let you know12:32
LureTonio_: just do it - I will not have time until the evening.12:35
Tonio_Lure: okay ! looks like there are issues in path or something12:36
LureTonio_: it is basic 2.4/2.5 replace, the problem was the pykdeextensions were not functional to build it12:36
Tonio_ g++ -pthread g++ -pthread -c -g -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/python2.5 -I/usr/include/python2.5 -I/usr/include/kde -I/usr/include/qt3 -I. serviceconfig/kcm_serviceconfig.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o /tmp/buildd/kde-guidance-0.7.1~svn20070111/./build/.libs/serviceconfig.o12:36
Tonio_g++: g++: No such file or directory12:36
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LureTonio_: yep, that was it - pykdeextensions put "g++ -pthread" twice in the libtool command line12:37
LureTonio_: not sure where this comes from....12:37
Tonio_hum, not only pyversion needs update.... I have to patch the all sources12:37
Tonio_lots of things like that in the patches12:38
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Tonio_okay I'll try to fix this12:38
LureTonio_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/python2.5/2.5-5ubuntu312:42
RiddellLure: what's the packages that need updates for python qt dbus to work again?12:43
LureTonio_: it looks like doko have found the issue12:43
LureRiddell: python-dbus 0.80-rc3, PyQt snapshot from January12:43
LureRiddell: I just tested simple events (device added/removed, they work), need to paly more with battery events12:43
LureTonio_: this should fix kde-guidance build (double g++ in cmd line)12:44
LureTonio_: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/py2.5/kg.debdiff12:45
LureTonio_: this is what I did, yesterday, but was unable to test due to g++ issue12:46
Tonio_Lure: this is exactly what I was already trying ;)12:46
LureTonio_: hibernate patch has to be dropped to, as it is applied by accident on wrong location ;-)12:47
LureTonio_: it breaks hibernate on lid close ;-)12:47
Tonio_Lure: okay, thanks for the info :)12:47
Tonio_Lure: droped or fixed ? I droped it12:47
LureTonio_: drop it - so no patches needed anymore12:48
Tonio_Lure: sure12:48
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Tonio_Lure: a couple of other fixes also needed (s/2.4/2.5 in kde-guidance.install)12:51
LureTonio_: probably - (it may not be the last debdiff of what I tried yesterday night ;-)12:52
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jrRiddell: seems like ksirc still works12:54
Riddelljr: yep.  oh well.12:54
Riddelljr: ping12:55
jrok, more broken than when I worked on it12:55
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Tonio_Lure: same issue..... :(01:00
Tonio_g++: g++: No such file or directory01:00
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Riddellnixternal: kubuntu-docs uploaded, thanks01:21
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HobbseeRiddell: when do we get the next kde4 snapshot on it?  is it possible to develop for kde4 without compiling and installing anything else?  if nto, could we make it so?01:36
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kwwiiwell, it is official now :-)01:46
Tm_Tkwwii: What is?01:47
kwwiiI'll be working for canonical fulltime...yippeee!!!!01:47
kwwiijust received the contract01:47
Hobbseekwwii: yay!01:48
Hobbseekwwii: what will you be doing?01:48
Tm_To/ (o/ \o) \o01:48
kwwiiartwork and artistic direction01:48
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kwwiisweet, this really made my day01:49
Tm_TMaybe mine too.01:49
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raphinkwow great01:51
raphinkcongrast kwwii :)01:51
kwwiithanks raphink01:52
raphinkhi Hobbsee01:52
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Lurecongrats kwwii - looking forward for your new improvements ;-)01:53
kwwiipink and green, baby...here it comes01:54
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Tm_TJucato: Pink and green babies.01:57
Hobbseekwwii: found the *perfect* wallpaper for it01:57
kwwiiYES!!!! PONIES!!!01:58
JucatoTm_T: link to what they were talking about?01:58
kwwiiman, you're doing my work for me01:58
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Tm_TJucato: Ponies?01:58
kwwiiwell, mark wanted community support - we'll see what he thinks (but *everyone* likes ponies)01:59
Hobbseekwwii: :D01:59
Tm_Tkwwii: Ponies.01:59
kwwiidon't worry, I'll make sure you get credit!01:59
Hobbseekwwii: hwo about you put that up as temporary artwork, with a warning of "not final" yet :P02:00
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Tm_THobbsee: And remove warning before release.02:00
HobbseeTm_T: well, yeah :P02:00
hungerHobbsee: Oh, yes and with a really crappy "not final" renedering so that ppl can get upset about the unprofessional artworks again:-)02:01
Hobbseehunger: haha02:01
kwwiiHobbsee: that would be really funny actually02:01
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Hobbseekwwii: :D02:01
kwwiiat least as a kde splashscreen02:01
Hobbseekwwii: it's either that or the long pointy stick of doom :P02:01
kwwiiHobbsee: sorry, I have been keeping my long pointy stick out of the public :p02:02
Hobbseekwwii: well, as anything, really.  the artwork isnt final, and people will have forgotten the edgy artwork, after they've run feisty for a while02:02
RiddellHobbsee: I've not heard of any plans for the next KDE 4 snapshot release02:02
Hobbseekwwii: hehe.02:02
HobbseeRiddell: awww, ok.02:02
HobbseeRiddell: you think ponies as a temporary background would be fun?  :P02:02
Hobbseemaybe with an inset of "no_pony_for_you.jpg02:03
hungerHobbsee: Are the ponies in the nude? You should rethink that then before baby jesus starts to cry again;-)02:03
Hobbseehunger: heh02:03
Hobbseewell, they have their manes...02:04
RiddellHobbsee: I was thinking of this actually.  I got it as a christmas present from someone who I dragged along to a kubuntu talk http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/070114_13411.jpeg02:04
HobbseeRiddell: *grin*02:05
HobbseeRiddell: ponies are better though.02:05
HobbseeRiddell: maybe for 7.10 devel?02:05
kwwiipony pr0n, that is what we need02:05
hungerRiddell: That picture surely is for ubuntu and not kubuntu!02:05
Riddellman, that pony one is vicious on the eyes02:05
Tm_Tkwwii: Ponies. :)'02:05
hungerYou will need a epilepsy warning when using the ponies...02:06
HobbseeRiddell: not really.  would tell you if the display was running correctly02:06
Hobbseehunger: i'm the queen of epilepsy warning websites.02:06
HobbseeRiddell: well, we need one for the kdm/splash screen, and one for the background.02:07
=== Hobbsee votes ponies for the background :P
Hobbseeyou know...it might just even make people nto think it's final, and not upgrade to it02:08
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Hobbseekwwii: http://ringlet.schumanfamily.com/1997_1024_768.jpg would do :P02:24
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Tonio_hum, I'll probably package qtemu toonight :) would be nice to have this in the repos02:27
HobbseeTonio_: qtemu?02:28
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Tonio_Hobbsee qt4 frontend for qemu02:28
Hobbseeooh, nice :)02:28
kwwiiHobbsee: I think I'll look for wallpaper like that for my office02:29
Hobbseekwwii: hehe!02:29
kwwiithey just look so darn HAPPY!02:29
Hobbseekwwii: they do!02:30
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kwwiiHobbsee is just soooo full of love and happiness today02:40
Hobbseekwwii: i went to work today, remember?  :P02:40
Hobbseekwwii: the scary thing is, i had some of these as a child :P02:41
\shoh moins kwwii02:41
kwwiiI can remember my nieces having stuff like that too02:41
kwwiihowdy \sh02:41
kwwiican't we do a pony calendar wallpaper thing? I bet nobody would complain about this being incorrect02:42
hungerHobbsee: Being male gives a pretty good form of immunity to such strangeness. Lucky me:-)02:42
Hobbseehunger: hah02:42
Hobbseekwwii: haha02:43
Hobbseekwwii: or you could try to get the devs to put up a wallpaper of themselves...02:43
Hobbseechange them every month02:43
kwwiiwe could select a new dev every month02:43
hungerHobbsee: You are really propossing to expose users to such a horror cabinet?;-)02:43
kwwiinow that would be funny02:43
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Hobbseehunger: hehe.  why not?02:44
Hobbseeit's a development release, remember?02:44
kwwii"freaky geeky calendar"02:44
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Riddellthat's not true02:45
Riddellcertainly kwwii doesn't think so :)02:45
kwwiibtw...I installed herd2 on my ppc and it worked fine until I rebooted, now it Oops on boot02:45
kwwiianyone had this problem as well?02:46
HobbseeRiddell: hrm?02:46
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Riddellkwwii: works and boots fine on my ppc02:55
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kwwiiRiddell: that is the funky thing, the cd boots fine, and it booted fine after I installed but for some reason it no longer does....I spent the whole evening configuring stuff and don't want to do it again :-)02:57
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LureTonio_: new python is in the archives - kde-guidance now builds for me, so you should be able to upload package to support 2.503:09
hungerLure: Great, then I should be able to update soon:-)03:09
Tonio_Lure: grat, I'm building and will upload03:11
LureTonio_: thanks!03:11
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kwwiibooting and appending init 3 works03:23
=== kwwii is lucky he didn't give up and just reinstall
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Hobbseenight all!03:24
kwwiinight Hobbsee03:24
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Jucatonight Hobbsee03:26
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Jucatowhat the?!?!03:31
HobbseeJucato: hrm?03:32
Jucatoregistered nick....LongPointyStick...03:32
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Hobbseehehe, and?03:32
Jucatolol :P03:34
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Jucatowb kwwii!03:34
kwwiiit works!03:35
Hobbseeyay kwwii :D03:35
kwwiialthough the same problems occur with the touchpad as in dapper and edgy03:35
kwwiibut hey, you cannot have everything!03:35
kwwiiis it just me or do the fonts look nicer?03:35
Hobbseethat's rpobably because those who do the touchpads dont have that problem :P03:36
Hobbseedunno - didnt you do the fonts?03:36
kwwiino,no, making a font is a *lot* of work03:36
kwwiilet's not start on that discussion again03:36
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kwwiihere is something interesting...a red light is now shining out of my headphone port03:39
kwwiithat would be my processor burning up03:39
Hobbseewoot!  :D03:39
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DaSkreechhi LongpointystickO!03:40
Hobbseeheya DaSkreech03:40
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DaSkreechHi Hobbsee :) How's the poking going?03:41
HobbseeDaSkreech: i do more than poke people :P03:41
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DaSkreechWell ... I was working up to that03:42
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DaSkreechNight :)03:42
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DaSkreechanswer eve03:43
kwwii_well, that didn't last long03:43
kwwii_everything froze up and dies03:43
DaSkreechHow's the poking going? :)03:43
Hobbseeah.  fun03:43
DaSkreechkwwii_: Mac?03:43
kwwii_DaSkreech: yepp03:43
kwwii_sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't...sometimes it freezes, sometimes it doesn't03:44
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DaSkreechWhich one?03:45
kwwii_a ppc laptop03:45
kwwii_last gen ppc laptop03:45
kwwii_powerbook g403:45
DaSkreechAh my friend has the same issue03:46
DaSkreech I think it's his hard drive03:46
RiddellTonio_, Lure: someone just added a patch to https://launchpad.net/bugs/79192 for python 2.5 in guidance03:46
UbugtuMalone bug 79192 in kde-guidance "not installable with python2.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:47
Tonio_Riddell: already applied here :)03:47
LureRiddell: that someone is mbiebl, DD working on package03:47
kwwii_DaSkreech: well, it is kinda hard to work on a system that you cannot run ;-)03:47
Tonio_Riddell: I'm currently building03:48
LureTonio_: is too slow ;-)03:48
kwwii_guess I'll use Hobbsee's pointStick on someone in Oslo03:48
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DaSkreechkwwii_: He noticed that anytime he puts pressue onteh left side of the laptop it goes nutsy03:48
Tonio_Lure: those times were when I wasn't also dealing with a network scanner bandwidth issue :)03:48
LureRiddell: patch is more or less what I sent to Tonio and he is working on it03:49
kwwii_well, there is this strange red light coming out of the headphone port which is on the left03:49
LureTonio_: you know that I like to tease you ;-)03:49
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Tonio_Lure: in fact this patch is exactly your + mine changes03:49
LureTonio_: true, there are not many ways to do it03:49
Tonio_that's tricky.... the more I scan, the slower the scan is.... maybe a buffer issue or something....03:50
DaSkreechAs in out of the port for the jack?03:50
DaSkreechor a light beside it?03:50
kwwii_no, out of the port for the jack03:50
kwwii_when booting osx it flashes once03:50
kwwii_but in herd2 it stays on all the imte03:50
kwwii_think I'll leave linux alone before I break something03:51
Tonio_Lure: talking about old times discussed things, what's happening the adept+debconf ?03:51
kwwii_luckily I have this machine too - but I can't take it with me :-(03:51
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DaSkreechhunger: Good job on the 1.1 release03:55
Tonio_Riddell: kde-guidance builds, I'm uploading04:01
Tonio_I also updated kftpgrabber and will now fix gtk-qt-engines04:01
Tonio_and kde-systemsettings04:01
hungerDaSkreech: ?04:02
DaSkreechJust read the decible mailing list :004:02
DaSkreechI'm a bit behind on my mail :)04:03
LureTonio_: not sure - I think Riddell asked manchicken|away to look into this04:03
Riddellinto what?04:03
LureRiddell: adept & debconf issue04:04
RiddellI plan to look at that this week04:04
sebasAre there any changes I should merge upstream from mbiebl's patch? (Didn't spot any when looking through it)04:08
manchickenWhat now?04:08
DaSkreechHi manchicken04:09
manchickenRiddell: I expect to have a patch to you today for the adept "is it main?" column thingy.04:10
manchickenBut don't hang me if I'm wrong.04:10
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manchickenJucato: Wuddup?04:10
manchickenHow's it going, KILLJOY? ;)04:11
nixternalRiddell: thanks for the upload :)  i promise the docs will only get better!04:11
Jucatomanchicken: seems like you got mornfall's attention?04:11
Jucatolol! killjoy eh? :P04:11
manchickenHe said something at 0720.04:12
manchickenI was still nice and asleep at that point.04:12
manchicken(0720 UTC-0600)04:12
Jucatoto which I replied "wonderful things, these timezones are" :D04:12
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manchickenTell me about it.04:13
manchickenYou don't seem affected by them though.04:14
manchickenLooks to me like you just don't sleep.04:14
Jucatooh I do... and most of the time, I miss the juicy stuff because of sleep04:14
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manchickenI haven't noticed a lapse in your #kubuntu coverage.04:15
Jucatooh... then you haven't seen me a few months ago :)04:15
manchickenIt's about time we got some snow.04:15
manchickenStupid late winter.04:16
DaSkreechkeyes :)04:16
Jucatowonder if there will be a KEyesRiddell...04:17
Tm_Tmanchicken: Yup.04:17
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Tm_Tmanchicken: Usually it's -30'C here by now, but noooo, first real snow for months.04:18
DaSkreechIsn't there one already?04:18
Jucatodunno... don't have Qt4 here to find out04:18
manchickenIt's been around 10-20'C around here for a while, when it needs to be somewhere below zero.04:19
Tm_Tmanchicken: Yup, will be +1 or so tomorrow...04:19
Tm_TIce roads are bit weak. =)04:19
manchickenI Chicago the ice and snow are cleared up within hours.04:21
manchickenYAY! I'm smart!  I commented out a bracket and then wondered why I was getting syntax errors.  I'm so smart.04:22
Tm_Tmanchicken: Clean ice from iceroad, you get open lake. =)04:22
sebasAre there any changes I should merge upstream from mbiebl's patch? (Didn't spot any when looking through it)04:22
Riddellnixternal: excellent :)04:23
manchickenTm_T: The lake hurts more than helps sometimes.04:27
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Tm_Tmanchicken: Bah, good iceroad is only way out from ilands.04:47
Tonio_sebas: concerning guidance, no change, that's just packaging relative04:55
sebasOk, thanks04:56
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Riddellmhb: do you have the same translation problem as kdesktop has on every app?  or just kdesktop?05:07
Riddellhttp://parker1.co.uk/satanic/kubuntu-satanic-edition-released/  kindae the anti-ichthux :)05:22
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DaSkreechRiddell: Did you see that gNewSense have a KDE version now?05:23
RiddellDaSkreech: ooh, nice05:24
DaSkreechAnd less significant is Fedora 7 has a Fedora-KDE iso :)05:25
Riddellyes, I tried to comment on their wiki page and it wouldn't let me05:25
DaSkreechError message 984: We are Sorry Riddell Nothing Personal we just don't like you.05:26
mhbhi everyone05:28
mhbRiddell: kdesktop only05:28
Riddellmhb: strange, I wonder why it only affects that 1 app05:28
mhbRiddell: it affects kdesktop as a whole I guess, since the Screen is locked pop-up is also provided by it05:30
Riddellyes, it is05:31
RiddellDaSkreech: where is gnewsense KDE?  doesn't seem to be at http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/05:32
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DaSkreechISO not released yet05:33
DaSkreechJust promises :)05:33
RiddellDaSkreech: ah, I'll look forward to it05:36
DaSkreechShould be interesting. I'm wondering if they are going to do vanilla KDE or run it through a Kubuntu Filter05:37
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RiddellI expect that'll use Kubuntu05:37
manchickenI wish GNU would make an emacs port.05:44
manchickenerr, Emacs-Qt port05:44
ryanakcahey kwwii05:45
kwwiihowdy ryanakca05:45
ryanakcakwwii: dunno what you think of this... but I just downloaded knoppix and noticed it had some really cool slightly transparent menus... might be interesting in feisty? dunno if it's possible...05:46
kwwiiryanakca: I would guess that they turned on the transparent menu in the config05:46
Jucatoryanakca: Appearance -> Style -> Effects05:46
ryanakcaJucato: ah, kk, thanks05:47
Jucatono problemo :)05:47
ryanakcakwwii: anywais, t'was just a suggestion :)05:47
kwwiithe biggest problem with that is that if you change menus too quickly you will see artifacts from the last menu05:47
kwwiiryanakca: actually I like the effect and use it on my system :-)05:49
fdovingi don't like it :)05:50
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Jucatoanother problem would probably be the proper balance in the translucency...05:50
kwwiiouch, how angry is my wife going to be that I erased the entire backup when migrating to the new laptop?05:50
fdovingbut i'm probably the only one using Quartz windeco in 2007 too. :)05:50
ryanakcakwwii: lol, artifacts? like past values in the menu?05:50
kwwiifdoving: lol05:50
ryanakcakwwii: oooh, that can't be good05:50
kwwiiryanakca: yeah, you can see parts of the old menu from what I have heard (although it does not happen on my machine)05:51
DaSkreechkwwii: Is she doing her disseration?05:51
ryanakcanope... doesn't happen here either... what's the difference between Software Blend and XRender Blend? XRender = GL?05:52
kwwiiDaSkreech: nope, but it is all her files and emails from the last 5 years05:56
kwwiiand she is a teacher05:56
kwwiiryanakca: no idea05:57
ryanakcakwwii: hmm... so, if it's just a backup, you should be able to make a new one, right?05:57
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DaSkreechkwwii: Does backup mean she still has originals?05:58
DaSkreechRight what ryanakca said :)05:58
ryanakcakwwii: kk... hmm... my mom is a teacher and she... wasn't pleased... when she learned that she couldn't use her report card software under linux or with WINE... which explains why she's back on windows :(05:58
kwwiiDaSkreech: I have the harddrive but no computer that it fits in05:59
DaSkreechThat's a small consideration05:59
ryanakcabring it to work?05:59
DaSkreechryanakca: report card software?05:59
DaSkreechYou mean a spreadsheet? :)05:59
kwwiiguess I'll go to the guys house who I gave the old mac too and make another backup06:00
ryanakcaDaSkreech: yeah... no... some app the Ontario Goverment wrote... it manages it all...06:00
kwwiibut I won't tell her that :p06:00
DaSkreechkwwii: there must be some adapter :)06:00
kwwiiDaSkreech: I'm not buying an adaptor for a normal harddisk just for that06:02
DaSkreechNormal IDE?06:02
manchickenw00t!  It compiled!06:06
manchickenNow to see if it works ^_^06:06
DaSkreechAnyone seen tackat?06:07
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fdovingmanchicken: still hacking adept?06:11
manchickenI've almost got this feature done.06:13
manchickenJust debugging now.06:13
manchickenIt's bad to load the image file for the icon each time ^_^06:13
fdovingtell me if you need testing.06:13
manchickenWill do.06:14
manchickenWell, the test case for this feature would be simple.06:14
manchickenThe user story is "as a user, I should be able to quickly identify supported kubuntu packages because there will be a kubuntu logo next to all supported packages."06:14
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manchickenSo anything that's a main repo package should have a kubuntu logo.06:15
fdovingcool :)06:16
fdovingplans on redesigning the UI?06:16
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fdovingare the software-propertites guys making it UI independent?06:19
mhbRiddell: error 403 for http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/vodafone-3g-datacard/wvdial.conf06:19
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manchickenGotta love it when alsa hangs the machine.06:22
manchickenI've got a crappy ATI onboard sound device.06:23
manchickenCauses alsa to hang sometimes.06:23
crimsunhda or ixp?06:23
crimsunon 7.04?06:23
crimsunyou'll most likely want to compile alsa-driver 1.0.14rc106:24
manchickenHappened much more on 2.6.16 though.06:24
manchickenIs that on the feisty tree?06:24
manchickenI've got a chroot on feisty that I could snag it from.06:24
crimsunit's in 7.04's kernel06:24
manchickenIsn't 7.04 using 2.6.17?06:24
manchicken(never bothered to look)06:25
crimsunno, 7.04 uses 2.6.20-rc5 + patches06:25
crimsun2.6.20-rc contains alsa-kernel 1.0.14rc1 + git06:25
manchickenY'all should backport it ;)06:25
manchickenWhen ALSA hangs the machine, I only lose keyboard input.06:25
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manchickenEverything else works fine.06:26
crimsunthat would require my reviewing all of debian experimental's alsa-driver 1.0.14~rc1-1 source package06:26
manchickenSo to get past it I just go into ksysguard and kill amarok, and bam.  Problem solved.06:26
crimsunthen I'd have to merge it, test it and verify there are no regressions from the current alsa-driver source package06:26
manchickenEh, it doesn't happen enough to warrant a terrible amount of work right now.06:26
manchickenIt's easy to kill.06:27
manchickenIt'll just make me long for Feisty more.06:27
manchickenBut I can't risk destablizing my machine.06:27
manchickenI use it for work and for kubuntu hacking.06:27
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Mezhmm - any main Devs here ?06:46
crimsunmeaning core Kubuntu or ubuntu-core-dev ?06:46
MezIf so - can one of you update the katapult package and change the control file so that it lists the homepage as http://katapult.kde.org/06:47
Mezcrimsun - main upload rights06:47
crimsunthen yes, at least one is present and attentive (for now)06:47
crimsunare there additional changes that should be merged?06:47
Mezcrimsun, see above :P06:47
crimsunsmall steps - pretend I don't know anything about katapault06:47
crimsundo you mean you need a new upstream version /and/ a URL change?06:48
Mezno - just a new 0ubuntuX version06:48
Mezit's just a simple control file change ;)06:48
Mez(i dont have access to make a debdiff - and I dont have upload rights to main)06:49
Mezoh, actually, it's merely a superficial thing ... I just got control back of the old website ;)06:49
crimsunif you feel it's utterly critical, yes, I'll do it06:49
Mezagain - above ;)06:50
crimsun(waiting on update)06:50
crimsunI can't push the packets for apt-get source any faster...06:50
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Mezhey toma06:51
tomahi Mez, all06:51
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Riddellmanchicken: fixed06:57
manchickenRiddell: What's fixed?06:57
manchickenWhich 403?06:58
manchickenSorry, I'm not sure what we're talking about.06:58
Riddell17:19 < mhb> Riddell: error 403 for http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/vodafone-3g-datacard/wvdial.conf07:01
Riddelloops, wrong m<tab> :)07:01
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manchickenThat's good.07:02
manchickenI was about to get very confused.07:02
manchickenVodaphone doesn't really exist in the US ^_^07:02
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manchickenStupid alsa wouldn't come back that time.07:24
crimsun(everytime you mention alsa, a nick highlight triggers. It would be nice to get debug info.)07:24
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manchickenI'm not quite sure how to obtain such information.07:25
DaSkreechcrimsun: Wait Feisty ships with KVM?07:26
crimsunDaSkreech: yes07:26
manchickenEspecially since every time it hangs I lose control of keyboard in X.07:26
crimsunmanchicken: recompile alsa-driver 1.0.14rc1 using --with-debug=full and keep an ssh session open tailing /var/log/kern.log07:26
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DaSkreechcrimsun: Man Now I need to read up docs on it. is it enabled by default or just enablealbe?07:28
crimsunit's modularised.07:28
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manchickenI don't believe I'm using that version...07:29
manchickenThe message I'm getting right now is "atiixp: codec reset timeout"07:29
manchickenIf ATI would release the freakin' specs, stable drivers would be so much easier to obtain.07:30
manchickenThat's okay.  It's a lesson learned for the next piece of hardware I buy.07:30
DaSkreechNow to go buy a AMD Socket AM processor07:31
nixternalmanchicken: with adept, any chances of adding an "Add CD/DVD" button/function to the Manager so people can stop doing "sudo apt-cdrom add"?07:41
nixternaltrying to remove cli dependency for that particular situation07:41
fdovingdoes people do that often?07:42
nixternalobvisously, because i keep seeing questions about it07:42
fdovinghope they are aware of the fact that they need the alternate cd for that to be usefull.07:43
nixternalwell, it is useful with the dvd, but ya i don't see it being very useful with a normal cd anyways07:43
fdovingi can understand it for the dvd.07:44
manchickenWe need a hit-list of things to be done to adept.07:44
manchickenIt seems like you all are trying to turn me into the adept maintainer... heh07:45
nixternaloh, you mean we haven't yet? :)07:47
yuriyi thought you were turning yourself into one07:47
seelehas anyone seen or compiled the grub interface yet?07:47
manchickenIf I was going to completely take on a maintainer role, I'd pick a codebase that doesn't make me want to STAB furry woodland creatures.07:48
Riddellseele: I've not seen it07:48
seelehum.. ok.  just wondering how its going (ive pinged mhb a few times..)07:48
manchickenYay!  Segfault!07:50
manchickenI killed it.07:50
manchickenDamn I'm good.07:50
Riddellseele: I'll mind and poke him when he's next around07:52
seelecool, thanks07:53
Riddellseele: by the way this is the kind of reaction we like http://atunu.blogspot.com/2007/01/secret-kde-application-launcher.html07:54
seeleheh.. yeah, sorry about that.  it was a really bad week.07:55
manchickenRiddell: If nothing else, adept is helping me learn my STL. :P07:55
yuriymanchicken: ironic that he wrote adept because kynaptic made him want do to something like that07:57
manchickenIt seems like alot of it is because of the apt libs though.  I'm not sure how to get away from that.07:58
DaSkreechman I hate kynaptic08:00
manchickenadept *does* work, and work well though.08:00
manchickenThe only time I've heard of folks having trouble with it is when they're doing something weird.08:00
Riddellor the java packages08:01
RiddellI'll look at that tomorrow08:01
manchickenYeah, the non-free stuff gets stupid sometimes.08:02
manchickenThe solution to that could be to just not to install it ;)08:02
manchickenIs there some secret to turning on all debug symbols?08:10
Riddell--enable-debug=full ?08:10
Tm_TRiddell: SSssh, it's secret!08:11
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manchickenOn debuild?08:11
Riddellon ./configure08:16
manchickenCan you use ./configure and debuild together?08:16
Riddellwell you can just compile it normally, without debuild08:17
Riddellbut you would edit the variable in debian/rules to pass it to ./configure with debuild08:17
manchickenOkie dokie.08:18
RiddellI would just compile things normally while coding on them08:19
manchickenNow you tell me.08:19
manchickenEverybody kept telling me to use debuild for everything.08:19
manchickenTo think of all the time wasted recompiling EVERYTHING.08:20
Luremanchicken: debuild -nc is your friend08:23
Riddellanyone telling you to use debuild should also tell you about debuild -nc08:26
LureRiddell: quick guides (which I use at start) do not tell you such "details" ;-( - I found out about -nc after at least 30 kdebase rebuilds ;-)08:28
manchickenHow do I get it to stop sending --disable-debug?08:28
Riddellmanchicken: get what?08:34
manchickenEh, nevermind on that one... now I just gotta get these debug messages in there.08:35
manchickencerr is in iostream.h, right?08:36
RiddellkdDebug() is more usual in KDE08:37
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manchickenDoes kdDebug come in when you enable debug symbols?08:37
Riddellshould happen regardless08:37
manchickenJust trying to figure out what's causing the segfault...08:37
tomamanchicken: yep08:37
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manchickenHow do you run gdb with this stuff?09:02
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manchickenOkay, I know that it's crashing on a call to QListView::clear(), but I don't know why...09:07
tomamaybe the listview is already deleted?09:10
nixternalgmail has gone down the tubes here lately. it has been marking ubuntu mail as spam, mainly crimsun and jjesse of late09:11
DaSkreechkwwii: Hey09:15
kwwiihowdy DaSkreech09:16
kwwiisoooo...was mache ich...edgy wieder installieren?09:16
DaSkreechI forget did you read the Haiku article?09:16
kwwiiDaSkreech: yes, I read it09:16
DaSkreechWhat did you think of it :)09:16
kwwiisounds cool to me09:19
DaSkreechYeah Thought so too.09:19
DaSkreechKinda liked the idea of icons being so small they fit in the extra space of the inode for an executable :)09:20
kwwiiwell, I am not so big on small icons :-)09:23
DaSkreechWell they are SVG I think09:25
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kwwiithe icons look killer though09:26
DaSkreechYeah. It's a great project :)09:27
manchickenSWEET!  I got it debugging.09:28
Tm_TOxygen icons <309:33
Tm_TUnfortunately cursor theme isn't ready yet.09:34
kwwiithere is only so much we can do at a time09:34
DaSkreechIts in SVN though they made the folders for them09:34
kwwiibelieve me, we have done a *lot* these last few months09:34
Tm_Tkwwii: I know, I actually used it lone arrow a moment.09:34
DaSkreech Oxygen includes the Sound files?09:34
kwwiiDaSkreech: well, yeah, but they are not final yet09:34
Tm_Tkwwii: Oh I know, I keep svn up'ing it all the time. ;)09:34
DaSkreechYeah Oxygen is right up there with strigi (nee Tenor) and solid :)09:35
MrWGWhi Kwwii09:36
MrWGWdid you get my e-mail?09:36
kwwiiMrWGW: yepp, sure did, I was going to answer it tonight09:37
Tm_Tkwwii: Btw is widget buildable already? There was bunch of updates today.09:37
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kwwiiTm_T: yepp, that should be the added cmake files09:37
MrWGWwell I'm here now09:37
Tm_TMrWGW: Sure?09:37
MrWGWor actually, brb just a sec, I need to get a darn soda09:37
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MrWGWI had spoken with kwii yesterday, tm_t, about volunteering to do some of the UI design/artwork09:38
Tm_TNice. :)09:39
kwwiiMrWGW: seems like you have a lot of experience in branding, we could really use some help in that area09:40
kwwiiin addition to real UI design and artwork09:40
Tm_TI'm still in middle of "what I should/can do and err, how", hm, now third year I think.09:40
MrWGWwell you have an acceptable logo right now09:41
MrWGWit makes sense for Kubuntu to share Ubuntu's stellar brand equity09:41
MrWGWUbuntu is an absolute powerbrand, so it makes sense to tap that09:41
Tm_TI still think we need more "family brand" so people understand it's all the same base.09:42
Tm_TI hear a lot "Do I really have to uninstall Ubuntu to install Kubuntu?"09:43
MrWGWwell what I'd do if I was in charge of Ubuntu's  branding strategy is move away from the current endorsed brand architecture towards a monolithic architecture09:44
MrWGWin which Kubuntu and Xubuntu would become Ubuntu/K and Ubuntu/X or the equivalent09:44
MrWGWfor the MS style, maybe "KDE Edition"09:45
MrWGWbut I'd leave Edubuntu, because Edubuntu offers a distinct experience09:45
MrWGWwhereas Kubuntu and Xubuntu are essentially Ubuntu but with a different DE09:45
MrWGWI don't want to sound like I'm deprecating Kubuntu/Xubuntu, which I'm not, at all, but in the broader scheme of things I09:45
MrWGWI am not sure if it makes sense for them to be such completely seperate brands09:45
kwwiiyeah, I have often said that if it is supposed to be one project there is little need for completely different branding09:46
kwwiibut I guess it is almost too late for that without a major change09:46
kwwiibut would Ubuntu/G be acceptable for the original gnome guys? cannot imagine so09:47
MrWGWit wouldn't have to be Ubuntu/G09:48
MrWGWit would just be Ubuntu09:48
MrWGWthe basic, standard edition09:48
MrWGWUbuntu/K or whatever it would be called would be a seperate sub-brand09:48
MrWGWbut not a seperate complete brand09:48
kwwiiwell, I know that the differences between gnome, kde and xface would kinda prevent that09:48
MrWGWthe branding strategy?09:48
kwwiithere is very little overlap between those projects/communites09:48
kwwiinope, in the basic look and feel of each desktop until now09:49
kwwiiI mean, gnome was always kind earthy tones09:49
MrWGWno, but if you install Kubuntu, I'd assume you can run KDE apps in GNOME?   For instance, in my SLED installation that I'm using now, I'm in GNOME09:49
kwwiiand kde was always blue09:49
MrWGWbut if I want Konqueror or another KDE app it loads without difficulty09:49
kwwiiwell, until novell bought suse that was not the case09:49
kwwii(although I always made a suse gnome theme too)09:49
kwwiibtw. I worked for suse for 7 years doing all the design/artwork/marketing stuff09:50
MrWGWahhh nice09:50
MrWGWSuse is one of my favorite distros09:50
MrWGWI love the design of the classic Suse KDE theme09:50
manchickenSuSE will be obsolete or forked shortly.09:50
Tm_TMrWGW: Go and suggest green theme to Kubuntu, please do.09:50
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apokryphosmanchicken: rubbish09:50
manchickenThe Novell/Microsoft deal has some serious GPLv3 implications09:51
MrWGWI actually created a green color scheme for KDE in Suse, designed to match the annoying gecko09:51
apokryphoscurious, considering Novell are also pushing for a GPLv3 and most talk about it is very speculative at the moment09:51
manchickenThey won't be able to use GPLv3'ed programs unless they are able to extend that "indemnity" they got from Microsoft to all users of each program they distribute.09:51
apokryphosdo you have a draft? If not, then what is it we're talking about here?09:51
MrWGWdang it man, I'm not even talking about Novell's ethics and you have to bring up the whole Microsoft/Novell thing?09:51
kwwiilol, I made the geeko too09:51
manchickenI'm talking about the draft.09:51
apokryphosthat's nonsense09:51
MrWGWROFL kwwii09:51
apokryphoskwwii: wow, cool :)09:52
kwwiiwell, that was when I started and had little experience09:52
manchickenI'm just saying, Novell will either have to reneg on the MS deal, or get it applied to everybody, not just SuSE users.09:52
apokryphoskwwii: so what happened?09:52
kwwiilater I would habe done anything to get rid of it09:52
manchickenIf they can't, they'll be unable to legally use GPLv3'ed stuff.09:52
MrWGWwell I find all mascots annoying, except Tux, but the geeko is well drawn09:52
apokryphosmanchicken: way too speculative to have much meaning atm09:52
MrWGWPuffy the Pufferfish really gets on my nerves09:52
MrWGWManchicken, this has been discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum09:53
MrWGWbut, as I argued on Slashdot, using SUSE or SLED does not turn you into a subhuman ogre09:53
MrWGWI use SLED and love it, one of my clients uses openSuse09:53
MrWGWit's a great product09:53
MrWGWSLED got a distro of the year award09:53
manchickenNeveer said it did09:53
MrWGWI see Ubuntu being the distro that really takes Linux to the consumer, but SLED could easily be the distro that replaces Windows on the enterprise desktop09:54
manchickenJust said there were legal problems with GPLv3 and Novell's MS deal.09:54
kwwiiawards are nothing special09:54
manchickenNot talking ethics, talking license compatability.09:54
apokryphosSLED is only the real enterprise option at the moment I'd say09:54
kwwiithey give them out on rotation09:54
kwwiiheck, I got awards for stuff that I thought was crap09:54
MrWGWsince Ubuntu seems content to primarily go after the consumer market and Ubuntu's extremely fast release cycle isn't really suitable for the large enterprise09:54
manchickenMrWGW: And using non-free software does turn you into a subhuman ogre ;)09:54
MrWGWno, it doesn't09:54
kwwiiI do agree that a consolidated branding strategy would be more beneficial to all concerned09:55
apokryphosmanchicken: then all ubuntu users are ogres then, since it contains plenty of non-oss stuff on the cd09:55
MrWGWI use Windows and a Mac...I don't mind paying for software, but I just happen to love Linux because I'm sick of XP and don't like Vista09:55
kwwiiit would be good to see how we can draw things back together somehow09:55
manchickenI don't mind paying for software either.  I just mind the fascism. ^_^  But that's for #kubuntu-offtopic (eh Jucato, I'm being good)09:56
alleeMrWGW: I like the idea of reworking branding.  I'm not happy with it, cause we miss the common DE independent name09:56
kwwiiallee: lot's of people would agree with you on that09:57
kwwiijust not the people who are religous about their desktop09:57
Lurekwwii: I also have that feeling09:58
kwwiinote that having a common branding strategy does not mean just making kde look like gnome09:58
MrWGWwell people who are religious about any aspect of this software IMO need to go take a cold shower09:59
alleekwii: it's only the naming scheme that I don't like09:59
MrWGWit's software, and darn good loveable software, but we don't need to worship it or obsess over it09:59
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manchickenMrWGW: I apologize if my distaste for fascism offends you.10:00
alleeit's just too complicated to speak with people about what common and what's only flavour10:00
MrWGWI had never thought of an open source OS being fascist, but alas10:02
manchickenNon-free software licensing is fascism.10:03
kwwiiallee: yepp, but the naming scheme is kinda set, and it, in itself is what seperates things10:03
apokryphosallee: what specifically do you mean about the naming scheme?10:04
alleekwwii: set or not.  I'm not happy with it ;)   but I'll surive even when it's not changed. promised!10:04
MrWGWwell regarding the whole naming thing, I would think it would be up to Canonical's senior management?10:05
alleeapokryphos: ubuntu always implies gnome.  There's no name/brand for the common stuff.10:05
kwwiiperhaps we can find a way to improve things10:05
kwwiiallee: exactly10:05
kwwiiwell put10:05
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MrWGWI would argue there needs to be a default, standard GNOME, but that the other DEs should essentially be endorsed and availible as add on/sub product brands10:05
DaSkreechTm_T: I think that might be more unfamilarity with Debian/Ubuntu than branding10:05
kwwiiwhen people say ubuntu it means gnome, not the project in general10:06
DaSkreech<Tm_T> I hear a lot "Do I really have to uninstall Ubuntu to install Kubuntu?"10:06
MrWGWit's not that big a deal though IMO, your current branding system is not exactly broken10:06
apokryphoshappened early on when people were thinking about the name. ubuntu-kde sounded bad10:06
kwwiias mark says "if we had named the whole thing ubuntu and the gnome desktop gubuntu things would be easier now10:06
MrWGWwell DaSkreech, I think with most Linuxes you can use multiple desktop environments10:06
apokryphosbut perhaps it would've been a better idea. The problem/difference always was of course the different ISOs10:06
apokryphoswhich other distros don't do10:06
MrWGWI'm trying to pimp out this copy of SLED with every DE in existence, just for fun :)10:06
apokryphosthere'd still be confusion if we had gubuntu :/10:07
alleekwwii: I agree.  Advantage of "MrWGW"'s ubuntu/whatver  is it emphazies the common ground.  Which is a good thing10:08
apokryphos"Ubuntu with KDE" and "Ubuntu with GNOME" would've been good10:08
MrWGWwell I'm not sure if there's a need to destandardize GNOME with the Ubuntu distro, since the GNOME version is in all probability going to remain the center of attention10:08
kwwiiallee: agreed10:08
kwwiitoo bad we can't find some common ground to start frp,10:09
MrWGWit would be nice in a sense, perhaps, if the whole thing was regarded as a single distro and in the default install if you could just install whatever desktop you wanted10:09
apokryphosMrWGW: then it wouldn't adhere to the sacred rule of only one cd-install10:10
MrWGWahh true10:10
MrWGWI'm used to the one-DVD install approach10:10
apokryphosMrWGW: I think they would do well to have a DVD with both of them, but that could be a bit of work10:10
apokryphosalmost everyone has DVD writers these days, though of course not everyone10:11
RadiantFirea higher percentage have a DVD reader10:11
RadiantFireshipit + DVDs10:11
alleeapokryphos: downloading what's needed to burn a DVD is the huge problem10:11
apokryphosnice to have a super kde+gnome and desktop+altnerate DVD10:11
MrWGWwell in the US, you're probably right10:11
alleeMubuntu?  Monster ubuntu ;)10:11
apokryphosRadiantFire: yeah; I wonder how much more it costs to ship DVDs out instead of CDs these days10:11
apokryphosallee: true enough10:12
MrWGWwell the shipping costs would be the same10:12
MrWGWthe difference would be that DVDs cost somewhat more10:12
RadiantFirethey are both stamped I assume, it can't be substantially more complex to stamp a DVD than a CD10:12
RadiantFirei mean, fundamentally, its the same technology10:12
MrWGWI have a client who is in the DVD business, I could ask him10:12
MrWGWthough I really dislike a lot of HD-DVD and BluRay technology (in terms of the DRM), it's also exciting to think what you could do with one of those disks in terms of an OS install10:13
MrWGWI love the idea of a Linux distro that would embrace the concept of conspicuous consumption and that would ship with all known desktop environments and packages, in a four HD-DVD set10:13
kwwiiheck, with two or three dvds you could include everything10:14
apokryphosblank CDs and DVDs are the same price roughly here now10:14
MrWGWIIRC Mandriva Powerpack is a 3 DVD set10:14
apokryphosopensuse have an insane amount of packages on the dual-layer boxed retail dvd10:14
MrWGW*has, tsk tsk10:15
MrWGWsince opensuse is a product, not an organization10:15
RadiantFiresuse has always embraced the more is more approach... don't they install 3 webbrowsers by default10:15
MrWGWI'm being a grammar Nazi, err, fascist, so as to live up to manchicken's high expectactions of a Suse user10:15
kwwiiI just cannot take anyone seriously with chicken in their nick10:16
MrWGWand yes it does, one of my clients bought that10:16
manchickenI have nothing against SuSE.  Just against deals designed to allow proprietary software companies to sue people who wrote their own software.10:17
manchickenI used SuSE up until that deal.10:17
kwwiidude, novell is american...where would america be without all the lawsuits10:18
MrWGWthen you admit it, you do have a problem with SuSE, otherwise you wouldn't let an ill-informed deal cause you to switch distros10:18
MrWGWI really do not believe Novell intended to cause any problems with that deal, and I am not at all convinced that the deal does any harm to the Linux community10:18
RadiantFireI remember reading an opinion somewhere that the deal may also have been motivated by fear of all the IP that Novell holds10:18
MrWGWMicrosoft has offered to do the same deal with anyone else, its just that the rest of the distros hate their guts too much10:18
RadiantFirefrom the Netware days10:18
MrWGWif MS sues Linux users, OSI will sue MS10:19
manchickenI won't use a distro that will be out of date once GNU releases all of its new versions under a license incompatible with SuSE.10:19
MrWGWthe really big risk is if Red Hat gets that DRM patent and goes on the offensive10:19
MrWGWbut I see Red Hat using its DRM patent defensively in the event of a Microsoft lawsuit10:19
RadiantFireDRM patent?10:19
manchickenWhen SuSE forks to allow that compatability back, maybe I'll reconsider SuSE.10:19
MrWGWearlier today Slashdot reported a senior Red Hat engineer filed for a patent on DRM10:19
RadiantFirethats fun10:20
MrWGWyes it is10:20
MrWGWI need to start patenting stuff10:20
MrWGWI think I'll patent start menus10:20
RadiantFiretoo late10:20
MrWGWI'll patent black and turqouise start menus10:20
manchickenSoftware patents shouldn't be allowed in the first place.10:20
MrWGWor patent black and turqoise OSes in general, then Vista would really be in trouble10:20
RadiantFirepatent 9 button log out menus10:21
MrWGWmanchicken, are you just going to sit there and repeat verbatim every mindless statement spewed by Linux fanboys on Slashdot since 1995?10:21
MrWGWor 1998 rather10:21
MrWGWthat would also cause Vista some problems10:22
manchickenMrWGW: Wow.  You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?10:22
manchickenGood day sir.10:22
MrWGWthat would also be a great way to force Microsoft to improve the design of its products, just patent each design aspect you don't like, then sue Microsoft for infringement and force them to change git10:22
MrWGWyou could make Windows completely customizeable10:22
RadiantFirei can see it now "Microsoft releases Hot-Fix to remove patent offending log out menu. Hapless computer users are now forced to leae their computers on all the time10:22
MrWGWanyway, kwwii, are you still here?10:23
kwwiisorry, had to talk to my wife10:26
MrWGWso what is the next step for me in terms of actually starting work?10:26
kwwiiwell, I'll start working on the next stuff for kubuntu now...so, I guess stay in contact, create some ideas, and help us push this stuff forward10:28
kwwiiI assume that we will create a design somewhat based on the stuff from edgy, as there is little time left10:28
kwwiibut if it is doable and there is a good reason to do so, we can change whatever we want10:28
MrWGWI need to get edgy and Kubuntu downloaded and installed, which I will do later today10:28
kwwiicool, good idea10:29
MrWGWbtw, is the pre-Edgy artwork still in the default Edgy install?10:29
kwwiibut believe me, the dapper artwork was not soo god10:29
MrWGWannoying, I installed dapper and it had older artwork10:29
kwwiiand I made the dapper stuff, so I can say that10:29
MrWGWI'm talking about Ubuntu10:29
MrWGWjust to be clear10:29
MrWGWthe GNOME one10:29
kwwiinope, kubuntu has only its own stuff10:30
kwwiinothing with gnome stuff10:30
kwwiiso you might want to look at ubuntu edgy as well, although the ubuntu dapper stuff was bettter, in my opinion, than the edgy stuff10:30
MrWGWis the dapper stuff still in edgy, in Ubuntu, though?10:30
MrWGWif not, I'll want to install both10:31
MrWGWwhich means using two VMs rather than one, but what the heck10:31
MrWGWgigabytes are there to be used10:31
kwwiiwell, not really, the edgy stuff is a bit different10:31
kwwiiso if you want the real thing, check dapper, not edgy10:31
MrWGWI think I also want to put Linux on my mac Mini, and that would be an ideal place for Ubuntu, but whatever distro that goes as the base distro on any of my systems needs to support VMWare Server10:32
kwwiialthough the edgy stuff is a bit different in some places10:32
MrWGWbrb 1 sec10:32
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yuriykwwii: i hope you base it on the edgy stuff not dapper.  i think edgy looks much better. just my personal preference though.10:34
Lureyuriy: he was talking about ubuntu10:34
Lureyuriy: for kubuntu we all agree (I think)that edgy was much better10:35
kwwiiyuriy: Lure is right10:35
kwwiiif we base feisty kubuntu on anything, then edgy10:35
kwwiiI made the dapper stuff and it was crap10:35
kwwiibelieve me, I made it10:35
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MrWGWis there any place to download the Ubuntu-Gnome Dapper stuff and install it into Edgy?10:36
kwwiialthough I got several emails from devs saying that edgy was shit and dapper was great!10:36
rdorschLure: just send you the powermanager output10:36
kwwiihehe, that'll teach you to not listen to devs about artwork10:36
Lurerdorsch: ok, checking now...10:36
yuriyLure: oh ok, that got me pretty confused10:36
MrWGWwell I think the reason why so many OSS projects have terrible UIs is due to excessive developer input10:36
nixternalno more windows sticker here10:36
DaSkreechMrWGW: Software probably is religion by my definition :-)10:37
MrWGWoh horrors10:37
MrWGWI was just reading on Slashdot10:38
MrWGWabout a woman who died in a Wii-related competition "Hold your wee for wii"10:38
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yuriywhoa does digikam not support ioslaves10:38
Lurerdorsch: ok, it looks like problem is debian specific - some operations are not allowed on debian, so adding some try/except clauses could help here10:39
MrWGWit's religion only if you're a stupid fanboy IMo10:39
kwwiiMrWGW: yeah, I read that earlier today10:39
kwwiiamazing how stupid people can be10:40
kwwiishe did it for her kid too10:40
MrWGWthe world is so perverse it horrifies me10:40
yuriyi kept my windows sticker: http://www.yktech.us/kubuntusticker.jpg10:40
kwwiidying of water10:40
nixternal/. is 90% science fiction10:40
yuriyi'm kind of annoyed i just had to copy/paste to save that...10:40
alleeyuriy: I assume you mean kipi-plugins not digikam.10:40
kwwiino, no, she drank too much water10:40
kwwiiit really can happen10:40
yuriyallee: yeah i guess10:40
Lurerdorsch: I will make this a bit more robust, but brightness (and probably some other stuff) will still not work on debian10:40
kwwiiyuriy: I have that sticker on my mac10:41
kwwiieveryone loves it10:41
yuriyallee: the image editor in digikam, i couldn't save to fish:/10:41
rdorschLure: I am on a call now....10:41
yuriyallee: known bug?10:41
MrWGWanyway Kwii, is there any convenient way to download the ubuntu GNOME artwork from Dapper into Edgy?10:41
kwwiiMrWGW: I do not think so, although I really do not know10:41
alleeyuriy: save as should work. Otherwise -> bug10:41
kwwiiI doubt it10:41
kwwiiI guess a dev could answer that better :-)10:42
nixternalMrWGW: find out what version the dapper artwork is (apt-cache show ubuntu-artwork) and then download it from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-artwork/10:42
nixternalthe .deb that is10:42
nixternalthen 'sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb'10:42
MrWGWah perfect10:43
nixternalnot recommended by man due to dependency issues, but some tweaking and some 'sudo apt-get -f install" usually fix it :)10:43
MrWGWand is there any way to get the artwork that Shuttleworth infamously rejected?10:43
nixternalif it is in the repos yes, but i don't think it is10:43
yuriyallee: i also had a problem importing RAW, is that kipi-plugins too?10:43
nixternalyuriy: forbidden :)10:44
nixternali wanted to see the pic10:44
alleeyuriy: correction digikam image editor is digikam and digikamimageplugins.10:44
MrWGWalso I assume, it's not possible to install Kubuntu Edgy on an Ubuntu Dapper system?10:44
MrWGWah well10:45
MrWGWand what is the release date for Feisty?10:45
alleeyuriy: raw is digikam but afaik some kipi-plugins can not handle raw too10:45
alleeyuriy: but raw support in kipi-plugins not not as good as in digikam yet10:45
ryanakcayuriy: You don't have permission to access /~ykozlov//kubuntusticker.jpg on this server.10:47
yuriyallee: ok now i'm confused... Are there two different tools to do it? When in Digikam i go to Tools>Raw Image Converter, what is that?10:48
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yuriynixternal,ryanacka: yeah.. umm.. hmm.. this is rather disturbing10:48
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alleeyuriy: tools is kipi-plugins10:49
alleeyuriy: when you click on a thumbnail then digikam's image editor starts.  The editor uses digikamimageplugins not kipi-plugins10:50
yuriynixternal,ryanacka: fixed. no clue why it didn't get read permissions10:50
rdorschLure: what is the brightness stuff supposed to do?10:50
Lurerdorsch: when you switch to battery mode, we reduce the brightness level to battery setting10:51
alleeyuriy: kipi-plugins operate on (list of) files.  digikam imageplugins operate on the _one_ image in memory of the editor10:51
Lurerdorsch: ubuntu has different security settings for hal/dbus which allow console apps to perform more operations than on debian10:51
Lurerdorsch: it may be that you only need to add your user to some group (plugdev or powersomething)10:52
ryanakcayuriy: kk, thanks... hmm... *pokes his internet*10:52
rdorschLure: good point, let me check10:52
kwwiiok, about time for bed here, gotta finish a few things first...I am semi afk10:53
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yuriyallee: ok so then you can save the raw as jpg while in the editor.. now i get it.  rather unintuitive to have two different ways to do it in one application, especially when one of them doesn't seem to work10:53
rdorschLure: there is a plugdev. Also messagebus. Can I check which group is the right one?10:54
rdorschLure: Is that a certain executable which has these permissions?10:54
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yuriyI started using digikam about 2 weeks ago, and i feel like having a bug filing spree10:55
alleeyuriy: many kipi-plugins can work on several images that something image editor can't.10:55
Lurerdorsch: no, dbus/hal is configured to use it for security checks....10:55
Lurerdorsch: can you try the patch from bug 7709110:56
UbugtuMalone bug 77091 in guidance "The AC adapter has been unplugged, switching to battery mode" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7709110:56
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alleeyuriy: if there's really a duplication, I can ping upstream to disable it by default or we just do it in kubuntu10:56
yuriyallee: yeah, i understand. i think raw converter is actually the only one that's like this: there is a (single) option in the tools menu in addition to the batch process10:56
alleeyuriy: ah, right.  that from old times when digikam editor could not handle raws10:58
Lurerdorsch: check /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf10:58
manchickenmmm... emacs....10:58
Lurerdorsch: there is powerdev group (on ubuntu)10:59
Lurerdorsch: adding your user to it should cure it10:59
MrWGWmy preference in text editors is for Note Tab, which has a modern UI, has a fully functional free as in beer version, and that is a lot of fun11:09
MrWGWI use it to hack saved games in Windows11:09
MrWGWthere is one game I enjoy that saves games in a non-binary format11:10
MrWGWwhich allows you to do...interesting...things11:10
MrWGWsadly, it is just for Windows :(11:10
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rdorschLure: I found plugdev and powerdev11:17
Lurerdorsch: so what does "id" command return - are you member of any of these?11:18
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manchickenMrWGW: I just haven't been able to find a development environment that gives me more flexibility than emacs.  Particularly with things like debuggers, etc.11:19
rdorschLure: powerdev seem to be responsible for org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.LaptopPanel11:20
manchickenThere are a lot of good editors out there... but Emacs works best with the variety of languages I use, variety of build environments I use, and variety of machines I use.11:21
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sebasrdorsch: Ah, you're here11:23
sebasI've just sent you a patch11:24
kwwiivi is the shit11:25
sebasIs your issue fixed with this additional group? (Though I still think it shouldn't crash, but spit a warning and do the right thing)11:25
sebaskwwii: You're using that for svg editing? :)11:25
kwwiilol, sometimes11:26
Lurekwwii: that is why konqueror cannot display your svg's ;-)11:27
kwwiino, that is because inkscape had a major bug11:28
Lurekwwii: really, powermanager stuff cannot be shown in konqueror, but they work fine in inkscape11:28
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kwwiiadding an extra space in the definition11:28
Lurekwwii: ok, that was it11:28
kwwiiLure: I need to fix that11:29
kwwiiit is because I build the latest version of inkscape11:29
manchickenI got the kubuntu logo in adept.11:29
manchickenNow I just gotta get it conditional.11:29
Luresebas: what do you think about pykde3->pyqt4 migration for powermanager? do we want to go there?11:29
Mezkwwii: kinda scary - I used to see you as "k world war 2" now I see you as "kay double you wee"11:29
sebasLure: I'd say let's wait for PyKDE411:30
sebasWe really lose a lot otherwise11:30
kwwiihow many people have asked me why my nick is k world war !!11:30
kwwiiwhen my name is Kenneth Wesley Wimer II11:30
sebasAnd I think we can better stabilise for Feisty and try porting as soon as Pykde4 is there11:30
kwwiiie. KWWII11:30
Luresebas: lots of work for questionable gain - Riddell would like to get rid of polling though11:30
sebasYeah, me too. But I don't want Qt4 only11:31
Mezkwwii - it's hjust how it reads ;)11:31
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sebasAnd I think we would add quite some testing burden, whereas we can have a really stable powermanager for Feisty11:31
kwwiihehe, only for religous desktop people11:31
Luresebas: I will prototype qt4 event handling anyway - just to confirm it works now11:31
sebasI understand the concern that porting stuff now helps with the big porting effort for KDE4, but I still think it's not worth it yet.11:31
Luresebas: true that - events could make it regress11:32
sebasYeah, that's a good thing.11:32
sebasHaving some example code makes porting way easier11:32
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kwwiiMez: it only reads like that for desktop religous people11:41
rdorschLure: I restart KDE to get the powerdev group permission. To check if that fixes the root cause. Then I apply you patches.11:41
Mezkwwii - nope - I'm not either11:41
Lurerdorsch: thanks - mine or sebas's patch (or both ;-) should help11:42
Lurerdorsch: mine just makes it robust to failure, sebas just ensure that everything is still done even if brightness fails11:42
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sebasLure: You can check yours in anyway, stability is good (and it shouldn't crash, but warn)11:47
Luresebas: just did it11:47
ryanakcayuriy: I like :)11:48
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manchickenRiddell: Check this out -- http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshot5.png11:49
Luresebas: talking about robustness - I think I know what may cause bug 7762311:51
UbugtuMalone bug 77623 in kde-guidance "feisty kubuntu - laptop auto-suspends when on ac power even though set to do so only when on battery" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7762311:51
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Luresebas: when testing actions (suspend/hibernate...), I changed call to suspend/resume with simple print11:51
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Luresebas: and when idle condition was met, I got several prints in a row11:52
sebasMakes sense.11:52
Luresebas: I suspect that several calls of suspend/hibernate are scheduled and may cause immediate suspend again after resume11:52
Luresebas: we probably need to reset lastidle or something just before doing the action11:53
sebasMy hibernate script just doesn't if the last hibernate is less than 3 sec old.11:53
sebasOr suspend, for that matter.11:53
sebasSo it's something I would not see11:53
sebasYes, that's the issue I was talking about.11:53
sebasI'll tackle that shortly11:53
Luresebas: I will look for proper fix tommorow probably - I am just to tired now11:53
sebas(Not today though)11:53
sebasHehe :)11:53
sebasAre you in Europe?11:54
Lure;-) - we agree on this11:54
Luresebas: yep, Slovenia11:54
sebasAh :)11:54
Lurebut tommorow is in 5 minutes ;-)11:54
sebasThen we're in the same timezone :P11:54
sebasHeh, right. but for me tomorrow is usually "after sleeping"11:54
rdorschLure: powerdev did not fix the root cause. Your fix though fixes the problem.11:55
Lurerdorsch: would be still interesting to know how to enable brighntess controls on debian11:56
manchickenNow I've gotta get this image into the package.11:56
Lurerdorsch: ubuntu has "on_console" policy which means that desktop user can control this w/o problems11:56
Lurerdorsch: good to know that my fix helps - this closes one ubuntu bug too, which I had no clue before your e-mail came around ;-)11:57
sebasrdorsch: Do you have both patches applied?11:57
Lurerdorsch: I will still wait for reporters to see if they have same/similar root cause as you.11:57
rdorschI don't know if Debian has a similar on_console policy. I could try to post tonight on debian-devel to find the right contact.12:00
rdorschsebas: I have only applied Lures patch.12:00
rdorschsebas: I can try yours if it has value for you to have that information.12:01
Lurerdorsch: on_console is ubuntu specific - we have special patch to add this12:01
rdorschLure: I send an email to the Debian BTS such that other and the maintainer know the fix.12:01
Lurerdorsch: thanks12:02
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rdorschLure: I have seen on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo that the login managers should add users to all groups (though this is sarge, i.e. quite old).12:02
rdorschLure: thank you for the immediate fix.12:03
rdorschLure: working on battery is now much more fun again :-)12:03
Lurerdorsch: ;-)12:05
Lureok, time for bed -> nite all12:08
kwwiiniight all12:10
LureRiddell: btw, I see your new language buttons in Regional & Language, but qt-language-selector is broken (python import problem) :-(12:10
LureRiddell: it may be may broken system (all latest python greatness) ;-)12:11
sebasrdorsch: If it's not too much work,I'd like to know if it works well with this patch (it replaces the crash with a warning)12:12
manchickenArgh... now I've gotta package things....12:14
manchickenMy least favorite part.12:14

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