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dokoMithrand1r: please requeue kde-guidance02:16
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woodwizzleIs there a good reference or tutorial to explain how to make a derrivative distro of Ubuntu02:16
Hobbsee!derivative02:17
Hobbseeoh darn02:17
woodwizzleoops =)02:18
Hobbseethere's stuff on the wiki somewhere, and heaps on th eubuntu-devel mailing list, in previous months02:23
Hobbseethat should be a start02:23
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HombreMagiquehi all05:16
HombreMagiquewhere can i find patches applied to ubuntu kernels 2.6.17?05:17
crimsunthere is no patchset per se; it's tracked in git05:18
HombreMagiqueand how can i get them?05:19
crimsunsee www2.kernel.org/git/ under ubuntu-edgy05:19
HombreMagique:)05:19
HombreMagiqueok thanks05:19
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HombreMagiqueso when i found what i need05:25
HombreMagiquewhat should i do in order to download patches?05:25
crimsunthere are no patches per se. You must download a stock 2.6.17 tree (or use the stable git) and ubuntu-edgy, then use diff -uNr05:28
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pittiGood morning07:17
fabbioneyo pitti07:17
pittiHey Fabio!07:18
TreenaksIs there some kind of 'This is REALLY ugly, we should fix this'-program for dapper (and if there is, where can I read more about it? :))07:20
fabbioneTreenaks: ???07:21
Treenaks(s/ugly/buggy/)07:21
Treenaksfabbione: well.. the racoon package is very badly broken.. I was wondering if there was any chance of it being updated, or if I had to upgrade my server to edgy (*shudder*)07:22
Treenaksor backported07:22
fabbioneTreenaks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates07:22
Treenaksfabbione: thanks07:22
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pittimarcheu: hi 07:36
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Mithrand1rdoko__: given-back08:06
HobbseeMithrand1r!!!08:07
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MithrandirHobbsee :-)08:07
Hobbsee:)08:07
Mithrandirhow's life?08:07
Hobbseegood :)08:07
HobbseeMithrandir: went to the LCA pre-dinner last night, that was fun :)08:07
MithrandirHobbsee: lucky you.  I want to be there too, but nobody offered to pay for my flight.08:08
HobbseeMithrandir: awww :(08:08
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Mithrandircheapest flight with KLM is like 8kNOK which is about 1600 AUD.08:09
Hobbseeouchy08:10
Mithrandirdid you meet up with any of the other ubuntu devs there?08:10
HobbseeMithrandir: well, i met stevenk, obviously, which i'd done previously, a few other people.  one german guy...forgotten his name.  saw jono bacon, but he didnt recognise me, was talking at his table so i didnt go over08:11
Mithrandirsounds fun08:16
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mantienahello all08:26
mantienapitti, hi, are you alive ?08:27
Hobbseeno, we shot him08:28
pittimantiena: yes, I am08:28
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mantienapitti, few months ago (before feisty release) we were talking about ability to mount hard drive partitions, especially in LiveCD, then you told be, that you will have time for this after 2 monts after release, so, now is that time ;)08:30
pittimantiena: well, it's implemented in Feisty :)08:31
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mantienapitti, sorry, I was talking about edgy release ;)08:35
pittimantiena: well, too late to change edgy08:36
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mantienapitti, I understand, that too late for edgy, you told this 3 months ago ;)08:39
pittimantiena: sure, but three months ago it was already too late for edgy :)08:40
Mithrandirtepsipakki: hi, regarding your sync requests.. any progress on finding somebody to ack them?08:40
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mantienapitti, so, could you tell me how user can mount hard disk partitions in feisty ? with gnome-mount ?08:40
HobbseeMithrandir: which are they?08:41
pittimantiena: right click -> mount08:41
pittimantiena: or, on the shell: gnome-mount -d /dev/hda2 08:41
MithrandirHobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~tepsipakki/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= at least08:41
Mithrandir(go lp URLs)08:41
Hobbseehah08:41
MithrandirHobbsee: 76704 76711 76719 76727 76751 7675208:42
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HobbseeMithrandir: just looking at the last one08:47
MithrandirHobbsee: cheers.08:47
Hobbseeoh ouch...08:48
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Hobbseetepsipakki: can you find a decent diff for the last one?  that's unreadable08:48
tepsipakkimithrandir: haven't tried to find one yet..08:48
tepsipakkihobbsee: I'll check them when I get to work.. maybe the same reason as with one of the merges08:49
Hobbseetepsipakki: OK.  just https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmail-notify/+bug/7675208:49
UbugtuMalone bug 76752 in gmail-notify "Please sync gmail-notify (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  08:49
tepsipakkingh, that's ugly :)08:49
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Hobbseetepsipakki: beaglefs is on manual - were the tarball md5sums the same?08:51
tepsipakkihave to check that one as well..08:52
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tepsipakkibut I'll be back in one hour08:52
mantienapitti, so, what you think about mounting hard disk partitions automatically for LiveCD (not for installed systems), look at bug #16356 ?08:53
UbugtuMalone bug 16356 in casper "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635608:53
pittimantiena: I'm totally opposed to automatically mounting hd partitions, at least r/w. r/o would be okay for me08:53
pittimantiena: we have a spec stub for this, a minute08:54
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pittimantiena: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/live-system-fs-mounting08:55
mantienapitti, I agree with you on r/w mount, especially when Linux will have ability to mount r/w NTFS filesystems :) But I think read-only automounting hard disk partitions is a must for LiveCD :)08:57
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pittiMithrandir: can you please try to give-back apport? seems to suffer from transient python transition fallout09:07
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Hobbseehey dholbach!!!09:15
dholbachgood morning09:15
dholbachhey Hobbsee09:15
Hobbseedholbach: might have been nice to warn people about the bughelper bugs, maybe?09:16
_ionHi09:16
Hobbseeheya _ion 09:17
Hobbseedholbach: was trying to figure out why my filters failed :P  eventually figured it was from the ML being subscribed to all the bugs.09:17
Mithrandirpitti: given-back09:17
pittiMithrandir: thank you09:18
dholbachHobbsee: I didn't file them09:19
dholbachHobbsee: it's simply subscribed to bughelper bugs, not to "all the bugs" :-)09:19
Hobbseedholbach: all the bughelper bugs, i meant :P09:19
dholbach:)09:21
Amaranthbughelper bugs?09:24
HobbseeAmaranth: yes09:24
HobbseeAmaranth: bughelper is for help with bugs...09:24
AmaranthReally? I thought it was something to do my laundry. :)09:25
dholbachAmaranth: that's for v2.009:25
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dholbachHobbsee: is there anything you'd like to suggest?09:26
HobbseeAmaranth: hehe :P09:26
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Hobbseedholbach: dunno.  the [bughelper]  in front of all the bugs is a good start, makes it easy to filter09:26
dholbachHobbsee: phew... not sure we can prepend that to bug mails, since they're automatic and I'm pretty bad at mailman foo - regex rules always failed for me09:27
Hobbseedholbach: hrm.  good point09:27
mantienadholbach, Hi, could you stop reject Baltix bugs, which are reported/assigned to Baltix by main Baltix developer (me, Mantas) ? ;)09:30
mantienadholbach, please :-*)09:31
dholbachmantiena: these were bugs that were fixed already... I was under the impression that if they were fixed for us, they were fixed for you too09:31
dholbachmantiena: I didn't reject all Baltix bugs09:31
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mdke:)09:32
dholbachmdke: how's it going?09:32
mdkedholbach: very well, you?09:32
dholbachwaking up slowly - but very good thanks :)09:32
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mdkesame09:33
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mdkewhoops09:33
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mdkethat's evidence of my waking up, wrong command09:33
dholbachhehe :)09:33
_ionYou type the right commands when you're asleep? ;-)09:34
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TreenaksStrange Case of Dr. Holbach & Mr. East?09:36
mdke_ion: haha09:36
Treenaks_ion: when he's asleep, he's dholbach 09:36
dholbachhehe :)09:37
mantienadholbach, Baltix doesn't follow Ubuntu release schedule, so, some bugs are fixed in Baltix later, than in Ubuntu and some - faster ;)09:44
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dholbachmantiena: right09:46
dholbachhey seb12809:46
seb128Hey dholbach09:47
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mantienapitti, btw, 3 months ago I sent you patch for pmount to allow globs (2 lines patch ) :) It seems this patch is still not accepted, maybe you forgot ?09:50
pittimantiena: Admittedly I didn't care for pmount development very much recently, because we do not use it any more in Ubuntu/Kubuntu09:52
mantienapitti, so, where I should send my 2 lines to be accepted ? ;)09:54
pittimantiena: just leave them in LP, I'll apply them at some time09:55
mantienapitti, btw, pmount upstream is www.piware.de/projects/ , right ?09:57
pittimantiena: right09:57
mantienapitti, but there are no CVS, no BTS, etc :(09:58
pittimantiena: those are on LP09:58
pittimantiena: you can file them as Ubuntu bugs or /products/pmount upstream bugs, and there is a bzr branch09:59
pittiLP just doesn't allow me to publish tarballs09:59
mantienapitti, evil LP ;)09:59
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fbeniteshi! 10:01
fbenitesdoes someone use uml(user-mode-linux)?10:01
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dholbachhey seor doko10:07
dholbachhey mvo10:07
dokohey ballerina dholbach10:09
dholbachhahaha10:10
mvohey dholbach!10:10
dokopitti: postgresql-plpython-8.1 and postgresql-plpython-7.4 seem to have hardcoded dependencies on python2.410:10
pittidoko: can't see any10:11
pittidoko: it b-deps on python-dev, python-central (>= 0.5)10:11
dokopitti: most likely scripts using the versioned interpreter name10:12
pittidoko: ah, I see; I'll check the upstream bits10:12
tepsipakkihobbsee: beaglefs md5sums matched debian, but you noticed that already?10:13
dokoogra, seb128, dholbach: gcompris currently ftbfs for some reason. could one of you have a look?10:14
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Mithrandirdoko: one of its build-deps contains a .la file which references libartsc.la, I'd guess.10:18
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Mithrandirlibsdl-mixer probably needs a rebuild.10:20
fbenitesi can get uml to run... sombody anyhints? (seems my kernel doesnt support skas)10:20
dokohmm, packages.ubuntu.com doesn't allow me to search for files in feisty ...10:20
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Mithrandirdoko: I've uploaded a new sdl-mixer which should make a give-back of gcompris work.10:27
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dokoMithrandir: thanks10:27
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mneptokdoko: ping10:29
dokomneptok: pong10:29
tepsipakkidoko: python2.5 is default now, so a package depending on python-gtk2 (and not python2.4-gtk2) is ok?10:30
mneptokdoko: have some reflections re: bash_profile. can we discuss on the phone when you have 5 minutes?10:30
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mneptokdoko: (not urgent doesn't need to be today)10:31
dokotepsipakki: in principal yes; the extra dependency on python2.4-gtk2 enusres that the python-gtk2 package still provides python2.4-gtk2; you can change it to python2.5-gtk10:31
dokomneptok: sure10:31
mneptokdoko: ping me when you have time. i'll dial. i'm here 0400-1300UTC all week.10:32
tepsipakkidoko: it's gmail-notify which you uploaded on Friday and I'm checking if it is syncable from debian10:32
tepsipakki+still10:32
dokotepsipakki: we do not want to depend on python2.4 for feisty anymore; so you have to change it10:33
tepsipakkidoko: but it doesn't depend on python2.4* :)10:33
Hobbseetepsipakki: i didnt check10:34
tepsipakkibut build-dep on python, and dep on python-gtk2 and python-gnome2-extras10:34
tepsipakkiHobbsee: ok, but they are the same :)10:35
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Hobbseetepsipakki: cool10:36
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marcheupitti: hi10:46
dokoMithrandir: please requeue bzr10:49
Mithrandirdoko: given-back.10:50
dokotepsipakki: you have to look at the binaries, so that you don't have any python2.4* dependencies10:50
tepsipakkidoko: well, the version in ubuntu now does have python2.4 deps ;)10:50
pittimarcheu: hi! did you see my /msg?10:51
dokotepsipakki: fix it :)10:53
pittidoko: do you have an idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/5747089/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.apport_0.39_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?10:54
tepsipakkidoko: if we sync it from debian, it'll fix itself ;)10:56
tepsipakkidoko: but I'm working on it10:56
dokopitti: neither a b-d on python-dev or python?10:56
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marcheupitti: yep10:56
pittidoko: right, only on python-support; that worked fine so far10:56
pittidoko: ok, so I need python-dev (>= 2.4)?10:57
dokopitti: yes, as everybody does ;-P10:57
pittidoko: ok, thanks!10:58
pittidoko: (just weird that I need -dev at all; after all, I only ship pure python modules10:59
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pittidoko: so if python-central requires a header file from -dev, -central should have a dependency11:00
tepsipakkiHobbsee: there's a new diff now11:01
dokopitti: I have to check; apparently 2.5 now uses config.c by default, even if building pure python modules11:01
pittidoko: postgresql-8.1> I just rebuilt the source on current feisty, and now I get a 'python2.5 (>= 2.5)' dependency11:01
dokopitti: no; just dh_pycentral needs the dependency, not the runtime11:01
pittidoko: so a mere rebuild is enough11:01
pittidoko: I don't understand: p-c ships dh_pycentral, that needs the header file, so it should depend on it?11:02
cjwatsonMithrandir: for bug 73955, does the system on which you can reproduce it have the fbcon module loaded?11:02
UbugtuMalone bug 73955 in console-setup "Clobbered X screen state during installation" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7395511:02
cjwatsoncrimsun: ^-- same question11:02
dokopitti: just tried: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.1/8.1.5-2build111:02
pittidoko: I saw; seems it needs another retry11:03
dokopitti: we do not want to install python-dev by default.11:03
pittidoko: ah, I see11:03
pittidoko: anyway, I filed sync requests for psql 7.4 and 8.1, thus we'll get the rebuild for free11:03
pittiif we can bribe Mithrandir to do these syncs now, then we don't need to build it twice11:04
dokoyeah, there are other python related syncs ;)11:04
crimsuncjwatson: yes11:06
Mithrandircjwatson: probably, yes.  I can reboot and test if you'd like, but the installed system has it at least.11:07
Mithrandirpitti: I'm in the middle of reviewing a 1682 files big source package, so not right now, no.  Afterwards.11:08
pittiMithrandir: oh, no problem; thanks11:08
cjwatsonah, fbcon is built in on powerpc, so it may not be exactly that11:08
fbenitesi can't get uml to run... Does somebody have anyhints? (seems my kernel doesnt support skas)11:09
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Chipzzhi11:18
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Chipzzis the firefox maintainer present?11:18
TreenaksChipzz: just ask your question :)11:19
Hobbseethat's iwj, isnt it?11:19
ChipzzI suspect a (IMHO) critical bug in the last firefox edition11:19
ChipzzI cannot submit forms anymore in plesk, and some forms in OWA (Outlook Web Access) anymore...11:20
cjwatsonthe bug tracker is --> that way; we don't have anyone dedicated to maintaining firefox just now11:21
Chipzzuhu ok11:21
cjwatson(this should be resolved in the not so distant future, but for now ...)11:21
Chipzzis it a known issue?11:21
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HobbseeChipzz: the bugtracker will tell you that.11:21
cjwatsonif it is a known issue, the bug tracker will say11:21
ChipzzHobbsee: I'm trying to figure out if it's a known issue; might potentially affect a lot of people11:22
Chipzzanyway, off to the bug tracker it is11:22
HobbseeChipzz: out of the great number of bugs in firefox, let alone the entire bugs in malone, the chance that we'd remember one in particular, particularly it's severity, is almost nil11:24
pittiargh, argh, bzr push broken ('Unable to import paramiko (required for sftp support)')11:26
pittiand no python2.5-paramiko; /me waits11:26
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pitticjwatson: could I upload new dapper/edgy-proposed langpacks today or is it a bad time for some reason?11:28
pitticarlos: speaking of langpacks, any ETA for feisty?11:28
cjwatsonpitti: today is fine11:29
carlospitti: blocked on kiko11:29
carlospitti: I'm waiting for him11:29
dholbach[ 7889.666280]  [drm:radeon_cp_idle]  *ERROR* radeon_cp_idle called without lock held11:29
dholbach[ 7889.678289]  [drm:radeon_cp_reset]  *ERROR* radeon_cp_reset called without lock held11:29
dholbach[ 7889.678314]  [drm:radeon_cp_start]  *ERROR* radeon_cp_start called without lock held11:29
dholbach[ 7889.678328]  [drm:radeon_cp_idle]  *ERROR* radeon_cp_idle called without lock held11:29
dholbach.....11:29
dholbachis not good, hm?11:29
mneptokdholbach: if you have an nVidia grfx card, that is definitely not good.11:31
dholbachok, the machine doesn't even listen to magic sysrq anymore, nice11:31
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Mirvdholbach: only existing bug report with similar stuff seems to be https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712811:39
UbugtuFreedesktop bug 7128 in DRM modules "Radeon R300 lockup on 2 clients accessing XV" [Major,New]  11:39
dholbachMirv: oooh, great - thanks, having a look11:40
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dholbachMirv: thanks - I followed up on the bug report11:43
MirvI've come to a habit to browser ati/radeon DRM/X.org problems in both fd.o and malone, since I'm trying to fix problems on my X800 (now 2 of 3 bugs fixed, and both are in feisty!)11:47
TreenaksMirv: I've reported all of my radeon bugs on both malone and fd.o (and linked the bugs), but so far, not much progress11:48
MirvTreenaks: yes, well I finally managed to make some patches.. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6796 and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7697 - the former even got applied as such11:49
UbugtuFreedesktop bug 7697 in DRM modules "r300_check_offset fails on PCI-E R420 (5D4F)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  11:49
TreenaksMirv: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803811:49
UbugtuFreedesktop bug 8038 in Driver/Radeon "Wobbly image on Radeon Mobility X700 (RV410)" [Normal,Needinfo]  11:49
Mirvmore people would be definitely welcome on the open source ati drivers, I think... too many current developers have working cards, I think :)11:50
TreenaksMirv: yeah.. they're all doing nouveau stuff now11:50
Treenaksthe good ones, at least11:50
dokopitti: requested a paramiko sync11:54
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pittidoko: thanks, but that already happened12:00
pittidoko: p-paramiko is already for 2.5, but it tries to import a missing module12:00
fabbionepitti: would you like to take care of bug #79371 ? it might require SRU12:03
UbugtuMalone bug 79371 in cyrus-sasl2 "saslauthd init script does not allow movement of PID" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7937112:03
Mithrandirfabbione: /etc/init.d/saslauthd is a conffile, if the user changes it, it's fine.  It's a wishlist bug at best and surely not something appropriate for an SRU.12:05
seb128grumpf12:05
seb128dia doesn't start with the new python12:05
fabbioneMithrandir: changing the default pid in /etc/default/sasl2 makes the init script to barf.. and imho that's a bug12:06
Mithrandirfabbione: yes, a wishlist or maybe minor one.12:06
fabbioneMithrandir: i didn't set the importance yet :) but yes it's not critical.12:07
fabbioneand i was looking for a volunteer to fix it :)12:08
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pittifabbione: depends on how urgent it is12:12
pittifabbione: today and tomorrow I'll cover for kees doing security updates, and then I'll be on vac12:12
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Mithrandirhurrah!  the NEW queue is empty, except for xen-source which needs feedback from one of the people caring about that.12:21
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fabbionepitti: not urgent.. just to be done sometimes12:43
gpocentekMithrandir: could you please give back sim on all arches?12:43
Mithrandirgpocentek: given-back12:44
gpocentekMithrandir: thanks12:44
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HobbseeMithrandir: quick, lets put more crap in NEW!12:51
=== Hobbsee dumps all of REVU stuff into NEW
gpocentekHobbsee: yay! a clean REVU :)12:52
Hobbseegpocentek: *grin*12:52
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Hobbsee:)12:55
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Hobbsee[22:52]  <afflux> i just downloaded the hurd 2 alternate cd and wanted to run the cdromupgrade script, but that fails because it can't find it's tar.gz file. i opened the script and noticed, that this is because a variable (CODENAME) that is set to edgy instead of feisty.12:56
cjwatson-> mvo12:56
Hobbseecjwatson: is this known?  it's from #ubuntu+1, it's the alternate amd6412:56
cjwatsonlike I say, -> mvo12:56
Hobbseeah right, sorry12:56
Hobbseemvo: ping?12:56
mvoHobbsee: thanks, just read scrollback12:56
Hobbseemvo: :)12:57
mvoHobbsee: thanks and fixed. sorry :(12:58
Hobbseemvo: any ETA for the fix being published?12:58
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mvocjwatson: it should be part of the next daily image. IIRC debian-cd pulls in the latest bzr version of the script automatically12:59
mvo^--- Hobbsee12:59
mvocjwatson: sorry, that was for Hobbsee 01:00
Hobbseemvo: way cool :)01:00
mvoHobbsee: the user can test it via the following command:01:00
mvo/usr/lib/update-notifier/cddistupgrader /cdrom01:00
mvo(assuming /cdrom is the mountpoint)01:00
robepiscrodarvus, can you please take a look at bug 59618 ? It's a really high impact bug with a trivial patch.01:01
UbugtuMalone bug 59618 in xorg ""Safe graphics mode" doesn't use VESA" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5961801:01
affluxmvo, i did it via... adding the cdrom to sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrading01:01
cjwatsonmvo: not bzr, no - it pulls in whatever's been uploaded to the archive01:01
cjwatsondists/$CODENAME/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/01:01
mvocjwatson: right. 01:03
mvoafflux: right, that should work fine as well. its just less convenient01:03
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seb128lunch time, bbl01:08
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Mithrandirugh, reading diffs of diffs of diffs is icky.01:13
Hobbseehaha01:13
Hobbseeyes01:13
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Mithrandirseb128: in the future, please, please, please don't start two SRUs for the same package at once.  It's really painful for me trying to untangle the different bits.01:22
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Treenaks4~4~01:23
Treenaksoops, sorry01:23
gpocentekDoes this mean something to somebody: "Error: Package: and Architecture: do not alternate in debian/control" ?01:23
gpocenteksim FTBFS with this error, and it built fine in pbuilder01:23
pittigpocentek: yes, that's from pkgstriptranslations IIRC01:24
pittigpocentek: or from pkg-create-dbgsym01:24
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gpocentekpitti: and how can I fix this? :)01:26
pittigpocentek: well, the error message is pretty clear...01:26
pittigpocentek: apparently some package has two Architecture: fields or so01:26
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seb128Mithrandir: ok, will try, what package was that?01:45
Mithrandirseb128: gnome-vfs201:45
seb128Mithrandir: I think I asked Colin if having different SRU on the same package was fine and he was ok with it01:45
Mithrandirseb128: accepted now, though01:45
seb128ok, thank you01:46
Mithrandirseb128: ok, it just made my head explode for a little while.01:46
Mithrandirbut I found all the pieces and glued it back together, so it's fine now.01:46
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Mithrandirdoko: in bug #79358, it's ooo-l10n-km which needs removal, correct?01:51
UbugtuMalone bug 79358 in openoffice.org-l10n "openoffice.org-l10n-km has broken dep on myspell-dictionary-km" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7935801:51
dokoMithrandir: yes01:51
Mithrandirdoko: cheers; removed.01:53
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mvothanks doko for taking care of this bug!02:05
dokomvo: which one?02:06
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cjwatsondoko: feisty-python-roadmap should be further along than "Not started" now, yes?02:11
dokocjwatson: will fix =)02:11
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fabbionewasabi: ping?02:34
fabbionewasabi: FYI: jmartin account has been removed from Ubuntu Directory Team because he is spamming people. You want to tell him to remove Out Of Office replies to LP mails.02:37
fabbioneajmitch: same for you. you are the other admin there02:37
_ionE-mail should have something akin to IRC's privmsg vs. notice.02:38
_ionIt's defined that bots, scripts et al. send automatic messages using notice, and *never* trigger anything automatically based on a received notice.02:40
Mithrandir_ion: Precedence: bulk, you mean?02:40
_ionBtw, Ubugtu violates that. :-)02:40
cjwatsonbulk|junk|list02:41
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\shif one package wasn't build because of a broken build-dep should we reupload or can one of the buildd admins rebuild it without a new upload? :)02:44
fabbione\sh: the latter02:44
Hobbsee\sh: ask for a giveback, of Mithrandir 02:45
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Mithrandir\sh: what package?02:48
\shMithrandir: knoda..02:48
\shMithrandir: it failed because of a broken dep of kdelibs4-dev02:49
pittimarcheu, rodarvus: Rodrigo, please meet Stephane, nouveau upstream; Stephane, please meet rodrigo, our current X bitch^Wmaintainer02:49
Mithrandir\sh: given-back.02:50
\shMithrandir: thx a lot :)02:50
pittimarcheu: so, rodarvus said that packaging the nouveau driver itself is easy, but that we'd need nontrivial mesa/libdrm changes02:50
pittimarcheu: now, I'm just parroting (I don't know anything about those bits)02:50
rodarvusmarcheu, hi there02:51
rodarvusI was telling pitti that, from what I understand, nouveau follows Mesa HEAD (and libdrm HEAD), so we'd need to update mesa and friends to their latest versions before 3D is usable on nouveau02:52
rodarvusotoh, if we stick to 2D support, it should be quite easy to just package nouveau itself.02:53
pittirodarvus: context: I talked to marcheu about automatic problem reports for that driver; I think we found a pretty good solution now02:53
rodarvuspitti, kernel will likely need nouveau patches too (again, for 3D support)02:53
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pittirodarvus: right, we quickly talked about that, I'll speak to BenC/kylem02:54
rodarvusour current Mesa package is (or was, a few weeks ago) 6.5.1-rc202:55
rodarvuswith one patch for r200 support (which can be dropped for 6.5.2) + ubuntu changes02:56
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=== pitti hugs rodarvus, thanks! (marcheu was here some minutes ago, he should answer soon)
rodarvusupdating mesa to 6.5.2 would mean merging interesting changes from debian, and merging configs/ with upstream Mesa02:57
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rodarvusif there is anything else I can do, please ping me02:57
marcheurodarvus: hi02:58
marcheurodarvus: yes, that's the case, we follow both mesa and drm heads for now02:58
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marcheurodarvus: the issue with drm being that 2D depends on a drm module in any case02:59
marcheurodarvus: ATM I think packaging only DDX/DRM would be a good target, not many people are interested in a DRI driver that does only glxgears03:00
jsgotangcorodarvus: !03:01
Amaranthanyone have an example of a package using python-central that works with feisty?03:01
Amaranthfollowing the guide on the debian wiki it blows up quite nicely :)03:02
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cjwatsonubiquity works fine with python-central in feisty, but is probably more heavyweight than you'd like ...03:02
cjwatsonbesides, it uses a private installation directory03:02
marcheurodarvus: I was also saying to pitti that if you need help in backporting the drm stuff, it should not be too hard, and there's usually a couple of hackers in #nouveau03:03
Amaranthi just need an example of something the generates a value for XB-Python-Version that doesn't make pycentral explode03:04
persiaAmaranth: telepathy-butterfly03:06
rodarvusmarcheu, I was under the impression that libdrm wouldn't be *so* hard? (but I haven't looked at the nouveau patches on libdrm)03:06
rodarvusmarcheu, anyhow, I'll talk with pitti and see how we are going to proceed with this (and will quite likely talk to you guys soon)03:07
marcheurodarvus: well I think libdrm is the same, and for the drm component, it should be pretty much a case of copying the nouveau_* files over and adjusting the makefiles03:08
rodarvusnice!03:09
marcheualso, we have steplocking versioning between the DRM and DDX for now03:09
marcheuyou might be interested in knowing that for updates or such. we did this because we don't want to handle backwards compatibility just yet (the interfaces are still evolving)03:10
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marcheuat some point in the future we might start doing backwards compatibility though03:10
Amaranthmy XB-Python-Version says "$(python:Versions}"03:10
Amarantherr, stays03:11
Mithrandiryou might want to fix that to ${python:Versions} instead?03:11
Amaranth*facepalm*03:11
Amaranthno, that's what it is in the control file...03:12
Amaranthbut pycentral is getting $(python:Versions}03:12
Amaranthwtf03:12
Amaranthwhoa, even if i completely remove the XB line pycentral gets $(python:Versions}03:14
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iwjAmaranth: What's in debian/substvars ?03:34
iwjAmaranth: completely remove> Err, are you editing the right file ?  debian/control is processed into the .deb by dpkg-gencontrol (called by dh_gencontrol), so you could try running that on its own and seeing what it does.03:35
Amaranthi, uh, reverted back to old-style packaging and left it for upstream to figure out (it was their package)03:40
iwjMmmhmm.03:42
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carlospitti: ping03:52
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pittihi carlos 03:53
carlospitti: did you manage to do the lang pack update?03:53
pitticarlos: yes, they should be in -proposed now for dapper and edgy03:53
carlospitti: I wonder whether we could stop doing daily exports for a couple of days03:54
pitticarlos: yes, we can03:54
carlospitti: We need that to test Feisty translations opening03:54
carlosok03:54
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pitticarlos: now would be a good time to stop them03:54
carlospitti: ok, cool03:54
bddebianHeya03:55
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pittidoko: can we get rid of libsvn0 and neon? (we have libsvn1 and neon26)04:01
tepsipakkidoko: bug 7908504:03
UbugtuMalone bug 79085 in Ubuntu "apt-get dist-upgrade error (faisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7908504:03
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jonibojimmy:  nyckel till WIFI p kontoret...????04:09
jonibosorry04:09
dholbachheno: libcolorblind upstream is a nice guy04:10
dholbachheno: that worked out really well04:10
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henodholbach: cool, I saw the CC04:12
henoPD, very generous to the world too :)04:12
dokopitti: a removal request should be filed for libsvn0 04:12
dholbachheno: as soon as he gives his ACK, I'll upload04:13
pittidoko: oh, NBS packages aren't automatically removed?04:13
dokopitti: neon24 could be removed as well04:13
dokopitti: AFAIK no (but please ask Mithrandir or cjwatson)04:14
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dokopitti: neon24 sources are still in the archive04:14
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pittidoko: right, these are universe (should still be removed, of course)04:17
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pitticjwatson: I did the -updates uploads for the new timezones and added comments to bug 7212504:18
UbugtuMalone bug 72125 in tzdata "Daylight Saving changes in Western Australia" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7212504:18
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dholbachRiddell: why does cmake have colours in pbuilder but not without it? ;-)04:27
Riddelldholbach: no idea04:27
Riddellsomething to do with what it thinks your terminal is I guess04:27
dholbachright... I like the colours :)04:28
dholbachRiddell: i uploaded decibel - it should be sitting in NEW now04:32
Riddellooh, exciting04:32
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jordihey05:03
jordihow's the ubuntu kernel timestamp written?05:03
jordiie, what's the format? And, can date(1) reproduce?05:03
Amaranthjordi: i think it's seconds since the computer turned on, dunno about date outputting the same format05:07
kylemwhich timestamp?05:08
zul_i think the one in the dmesg05:08
kylemthe one in dmesg is jiffies... it starts large because it is designed to wrap early in boot (so people can test their code handles jiffies wrapping, which used to not happen for months)05:09
kylemoh, but you won't see that on x86, ignore the latter half of that.05:10
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cjwatsonpitti: NBS are semi-automatically removed; you don't need a removal request bug, but it does need human processing of an automatically-generated report05:13
cjwatsonpitti: timezones> thanks05:13
pitticjwatson: ah, I see; I assume it must not have any reverse dependencies any more in order to get removed?05:13
cjwatson... or the archive admin has to be in a "what the hell" kind of mood05:14
cjwatsonsometimes I check, but sometimes I just decide that people need a push to rebuild against the new library05:14
pittiok, I'll check and do a few rebuilds05:15
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Mithrandircjwatson: it also helps that remove-package.py doesn't support -R :-P05:20
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davmor2Help please I have Feisty installed and updated till a couple of weeks ago now dist-upgrade reports no updates.  Yet if I boot from the herd cd and in the live session do a dist-upgrade there are shed loads of updates.  I am on the gb server.05:23
davmor2sorry herd2 cd05:24
cjwatsondavmor2: gb.archive is behind for some reason05:26
cjwatsonarchive.ubuntu.com is up to date05:26
davmor2cjwatson thanks thought it might be something like that.  You might want to get the gb server checked out though;)05:27
cjwatsondavmor2: yes, I've already raised the issue (about 15 minutes ago, since I noticed the same thing myself earlier)05:27
davmor2nice one05:27
cjwatsonhmm, actually, more like 2.5 hours05:27
cjwatsonI'll raise it slightly more formally05:28
davmor2don't kick them to hard they bruise easily :)05:28
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henoThanks for testing ISOs :)05:40
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wasabifabbione: Message acknowledged.05:53
dholbachheno: I hope I just fixed the bughelper 'crash' - if the fix looks good to you (and works), we could push it to ~bugsquad and ask people more publically to make use of it and contribute to it - maybe even share their "recipes" or ask how their workflow works05:56
davmor2No probs05:56
davmor2Like testing stuff as a non tech means I get to contribute05:56
henodholbach: thanks, I'll pull it down05:56
dholbachrock and roll - thanks, heno :)05:57
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davmor2heno maybe you should get onto the marketing team and talk about the isotesting and get it better publicized05:59
henodavmor2: internal marketing :) good idea! 06:00
henodavmor2: it's ok that we are building it up gradually so we can get better organised as we go too06:01
heno50 volunteers is already quite a lot :)06:01
davmor2:)06:02
Riddellcjwatson: could you give back mailody 0.3.0-1 please, kdelibs should be installable now06:02
cjwatsonRiddell: no, I'm not a buildd admin; look for members of the launchpad-buildd-admins team06:03
dokodholbach, seb128: gnome maintainers are not subscribed to vte?06:03
Riddelldamn yes, I just remembered that06:03
zulcan someone accept xen-source pls k thx bye06:03
mvodoko: whats up with vte?06:05
dokomvo: python-vte should build all supported python versions06:05
seb128doko: mvo maintains vte :p06:07
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dholbachheno: seems that 'series' is not the same as 'milestone'06:58
dholbachheno: I wanted to set a milestone for a few bugs06:59
dholbachheno: but I don't know where to set it either...07:02
RiddellMithrandir: could you give back mailody please?07:04
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MithrandirRiddell: given-back07:50
Riddellthanks07:51
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shawarmaWho responds to mailmain@l.u.c mails?07:59
shawarmaEr... mailman@... of course.07:59
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mdkeshawarma: the administrators08:00
shawarmamdke: Well, yes. Any of the usual suspects?08:01
mdkeshawarma: well, all of them08:03
mdkeit goes into the request tracker08:03
shawarmamdke: I see. Thing is that mailman discards my mail to a specific mailing list, so I thought it might be discarding my mail to mailman, too. But if it goes into the request tracker I'll give it another few days.08:05
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mdkeshawarma: can you contact the administrator of the specific list?08:06
shawarmamdke: Heh.. That's the other thing. He's MIA, so I'm trying to take over administration of that particular mailing list. :-)08:07
mdkeshawarma: in that case, seems reasonable to contact the lists administrators08:07
shawarmaIndeed. 08:08
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elmomdke: any particular reason you want us to do #26462 rather than newz2000?08:19
mdkeelmo: lemme look at which one that is08:19
mdkeelmo: ah, if he has access, I can ask him, sure. Sorry08:20
elmomdke: it's fine, just wasn't sure if you were aware he could do it - I'll assign it to someone in the meantime, just to get it off the list and newz is busy too08:20
mdkeelmo: whichever you prefer08:20
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dokoRiddell: please could you have a look at the kdeutils build failure?09:11
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Riddelldoko: powerpc?09:14
dokoRiddell: yes09:14
Riddelldoko: that'll be my fault, I'll fix it09:14
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eamonnHi all. I was trying Herd 2 on my thinkpad Z60t (which works perfectly with edgy) and it doesn't boot correct: udev and hal don't start, network-manager doesn't work, etc., although Gnome starts OK. I'm using the LiveCD. Assuming I can save a file to a usb pen drive (or find some other way to get the file off the PC for sending), I'd like to attach it to a bug report. Can someone tell me which files in particular are 10:16
mdkeeamonn: your message ended after "particular are"10:19
mdkeeamonn: probably dmesg?10:20
eamonnsorry: most helpful. Thanks. I'll see if I can get dmesg. 10:20
mpthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles might be useful10:20
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psusishouldn't install-info add ALL the listed sections in the installed info file to the top index?  because for some reason it won't add the individual commands section for coreutils11:03
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thafreakDon't mean to waste anyone's time...just want to know where I can find the .config file used to make the install cd's kernel...11:11
thafreakno one in the support channel knew11:11
thafreakand maybe even the source package for the install cd kernel if it's different...11:11
LaserJockthafreak: the config file should be in /boot11:13
LaserJockthafreak: and I'm pretty sure the kernels on the CD are the same that are installed11:13
thafreakI switched to a console on the boot cd and looked for a /boot dir, and there wasn't one...11:15
thafreakalso no /proc/config.gz11:15
thafreakdidn't know if some one had it somewhere tucked away11:15
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LaserJockthafreak: ah, it might not be in /boot on the cd11:16
Mithrandirthafreak: it's the -generic one.11:16
LaserJockI was meaning once you've installed it11:17
thafreakyeah...sort of can't install it without the updated 3ware driver :)11:17
thafreakbut the /boot/config-blahblah should be the same one used for the boot cd kernel?11:18
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tonyyarussoI'm doing a spot on Main Inclusion Requests for UWN (deferred from before), so if anyone has a spare few minutes to tell me what they think is important to know about them, please join #tonyyarusso (as a suplement to the wiki bits I've found already).11:19
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somerville32tonyyarusso: They are important because it is the process of promoting a package to the main repository :P11:20
thafreakI'll try grabbing the .config from a running system...maybe that will work...thanks and sorry for wasting anyone's time11:20
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