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tsmithebddebian, about my lintian error on alsa-firmware, it is indeed to be expected12:20
tsmitheand thanks for the revu12:20
tsmitheand as i said about the man pages on alsa-tools; i don't think that's valid either12:21
tsmithei'll look into the script12:21
tsmithebut i don't recall modifying it - so it should be identical to the current feisty version12:21
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bddebianCould be12:24
tsmithething is - it's autogenerated...12:26
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persiaAdri2000: I was away.  Now filing bugs on gaphor, flpsed.12:47
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TerminXhm, is this channel where I would mention a bug in a package in universe?12:49
shawarmaTerminX: Kind of. You really should file it on launchpad..12:49
fowlducklaunchpad mcQuack12:50
TerminXI searched for the package on launchpad and didn't find it, and it's only a dependency problem anyway12:50
shawarmaTerminX: That said, if you need some sort of clarification, then yes, this is it.12:50
shawarmaTerminX: Which package is it?12:50
TerminXpackage slidentd seems to depend on specific inetd packages, which means I can't use it with xinetd12:50
TerminXthey look to be added dependencies that the original debian package doesn't have (in other words, the debian package works with no issues)12:51
shawarmaI suppose the most corretct fix would be to make xinetd provide inet-superserver.12:53
TerminXshould I file a bug against xinetd on launchpad then?12:55
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shawarmaIt's in main, so we can't really help you directly.12:56
TerminXit, uh, won't let me file a bug on xinetd12:57
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shawarmaTerminX: How so?12:57
TerminXit tells me to use its official bug tracker, but that isn't exactly going to be useful when it's something that just needs to be corrected in the package12:57
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shawarmaTerminX: Ah.12:58
shawarmaTerminX: The thing to remember is that launchpad is not only for Ubuntu.12:58
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shawarmaTerminX: And since this is a ubuntu specific issue, you need to go to the frontpage and select Ubuntu.12:58
shawarmaTerminX: ...and *then* find xinetd and file a bug on it.12:58
shawarmaTerminX: Makes sense?12:58
TerminXheh, oops12:58
shawarmaTerminX: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinetd/+filebug12:59
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LaserJocksweet, bugmail!04:12
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bddebianLaserJock: ??04:17
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ajmitchwe have no bugs04:18
bddebianajmitch: You finally fixed them all? :)04:18
somerville32ajmitch, Only 2 open bug reports over last week ;] 04:18
ajmitchbddebian: no, that's up to you04:18
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bddebianBah, I can't fix nuttin' :-(04:19
Burgundaviahey ajmitch, somerville32, bddebian04:19
ajmitchhello Burgundavia 04:19
bddebianHi Burgundavia04:19
ajmitchhow's it going?04:20
somerville32Hiya Burgundavia 04:20
Burgundavianot bad04:20
Burgundavia"enjoying" alberta04:20
Burgundaviais bloody cold here04:20
LaserJockbddebian: I subscribed to ubuntu-universe-sponsors list04:22
LaserJockI was trying to the other night but it didn't work04:23
LaserJockbut now I got it04:23
bddebianHow did someone get a foo.tar.gz to upload to REVU?04:24
LaserJockbddebian: how far did you get through the science bug list?04:26
bddebianAll the way, though I didn't get many fixed yet :'-(04:27
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LaserJockbddebian: rockin' dude, thanks04:29
LaserJockajmitch: I thought I saw some zope stuff float by, was that Klose or you?04:30
ajmitchold sync requests04:30
ajmitchreally old :)04:30
ajmitchor maybe not04:30
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ajmitchdoesn't look like it was me that requested those, so that's ok04:31
ScottKLaserjock: are you available for REVU?04:32
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somerville32ScottK: Which package?04:32
ScottKI have http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071 that are looking for a 2nd sponsor.04:32
ScottKsomerville32: I think you've looked at these already.04:33
ScottKI know you looked at 4070, not sure about 4071.04:33
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crimsunpersia: beware of subscribing u-a prior w/o an ACK05:26
persiacrimsun: Ah.  That's an error in my understanding.  I'll avoid that in future.  Thanks for the note.05:27
crimsunpersia: were you following a wiki page?05:29
persiacrimsun: My memory, but I'll check the wiki page I loaded from in a couple minutes.05:29
bddebiando be do be doo05:35
ScottKcrimsun: Would you be up for a little REVU?05:38
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ScottKhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4071 that are looking for a 2nd sponsor05:38
persiacrimsun: The procedure is described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources.  I started adding u-u-s as well after Tollef advised me about ACKs for bug 78751.05:38
UbugtuMalone bug 78751 in survex "Please sync survex from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7875105:38
LaserJockcrimsun: we should have MOTU page outlining procedures for that, IMO05:43
LaserJockwhat "procedures" or "processes" do we need a writeup on?05:46
crimsunprobably the material I'd cover in a -school session05:48
crimsunhow to request a sync05:48
crimsunhow to request processing of a merge05:48
LaserJockdo you want something written up beforehad?05:49
persiaLaserJock: For a list, I'd start from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/.  Some of these age, and the procedures are not necessarily entirely clear (even from the Q&A logs).05:49
LaserJocksync, merge, SRU, UVF, new package05:51
persiaLaserJock: non-MOTU bugfix updates05:51
crimsunpersia: bug 79349 will depwait on the new uqm being synced (which means it needs an accompanying sync request)05:52
UbugtuMalone bug 79349 in uqm-content "Please sync uqm-content (multiverse) frrom Debian sid (non-free)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7934905:52
persiacrimsun: See bug 7935005:53
crimsun(yes, it's ok to override Ubuntu changes for uqm)05:53
UbugtuMalone bug 79350 in uqm "merge uqm 0.6.1-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7935005:53
persiacrimsun: uqm FTBFS on feisty.  I'll let Joey know as soon as I can replicate in a sid environment.05:54
crimsunwhy does it ftbfs?05:54
persiacrimsun: libmikmod2-dev is not in B-D05:54
crimsunyes it is05:54
crimsunit's the last b-d05:55
crimsunI'm speaking specifically of the sync ; I saw the merge request05:55
crimsuna merge is unnecessary; a sync is sufficient05:55
persiacrimsun: It wasn't locally for some reason.  I'm off to reject 79750 :)05:56
crimsunpersia: you pbuilt uqm from sid and it ftbfs?05:56
persiacrimsun: Yes, but I appear to have made a mistake.  Retrying...05:56
LaserJockcrimsun: do you want policy wiki docs worked on before or after your session?05:58
ajmitchooh, crimsun is doing a session?05:58
LaserJockas soon as he gives me a date/time ;-)05:59
crimsunLaserJock: I see no reason for work to block on the session05:59
LaserJockcrimsun: k, I might make some stubs tonight05:59
LaserJockonce we get those nailed down  little bit I'd like to put those in the packaging guide06:01
persiacrimsun: Thanks for the check: It was my mistake.  I'm not sure how the B-D line was damaged.  merge bug killed, raising sync bug.06:02
bddebianGah, compiz has too big of build-deps..06:04
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Lutinhi there06:13
bddebianHeya Lutin06:13
LaserJockhas anybody be using Daniel's bughelper script?06:14
Lutinnot yet06:16
LutinLaserJock: btw, could you have a look at kayali on revu when you'll have some time ?06:19
crimsungeser rocked gnome 39647706:20
UbugtuGnome bug 396477 in linux "stack overflow in sysdeps/linux/procmap.c: glibtop_get_proc_map_s()" [Major,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39647706:20
bddebianWhew, I think I finally have a comment on every package on REVU that I can comment on..06:20
ajmitchwell done06:23
bddebianWell my reviews are shit apparently but I'm trying :)06:23
ajmitchbetter than mine06:23
bddebianajmitch: Only when you don't do them :)06:29
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unix_infidelwill LTS ever have a zimbra packaged for the repos?06:34
joejaxxhello Burgundavia 06:35
Burgundaviahey joejaxx06:35
Burgundaviaunix_infidel: yep, aware what zimbra is. Unless it gets backported, no06:36
unix_infidelBurgundavia: is it expected for the next LTS?06:36
unix_infidelfawn iirc06:36
Burgundaviaif somebody packages it06:36
Burgundaviaand 7.04 will not be an LTS06:36
bddebianBackport a NEW package?  Is that ever done?06:37
bddebianSounds dangerous to me :)06:37
joejaxxbddebian: :)06:38
Burgundaviathe world is dangerous06:38
Burgundavialeaf apps have little bearing on the general order of the world06:38
bddebianleaf apps?06:38
Burgundaviaapps which have nothing depending on them06:38
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bddebianAh well, gnight gang06:55
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Ash-FoxI have a announcement, pbuilder rocks! -- that is all.07:17
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Lutinheya freeflying07:36
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LaserJockI don't suppose anybody in here is good with w3m?08:08
nixternalcan't say that i am08:10
nixternalbut i did just build a new kubuntu-docs package from the ground up (and it is 99% functional at this time)08:11
nixternali am hoping it will generate the bug reports now before final release, unlike the edgy release08:11
HobbseeLaserJock: lynx is easier, why?08:11
nixternalHobbsee: i think i tried to tell him that the other day :)08:11
LaserJockI just want the best CLI browser08:12
LaserJockI was using w3m but I couldn't select text that was a URL08:12
lupine_85links2 ?08:13
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HobbseeLaserJock: links2 is good08:14
Hobbseeso's elinks08:14
Hobbseew3m is difficult08:14
Hobbseeanyway, try the right arrow, over the link08:14
LaserJockhmm, lynx lets me select the text08:16
LaserJocklinks2 doesn't08:16
persiaLaserJock: w3m -no-mouse let's you select text, but you can't click links.08:16
LaserJockHobbsee: what's your favorite CLI browser? lynx?08:17
LaserJockpersia: how about you?08:17
lupine_85links2 does javascript, which I need for some sites08:18
HobbseeLaserJock: lynx, mostly08:18
HobbseeLaserJock: ask TheMuso 08:18
crimsunyuck dude, just use nc.08:18
lupine_85like my router's config page =)08:18
persiaLaserJock: I forget why I stopped using lynx, but I've mostly migrated from w3m to GUI browsers :(08:18
LaserJockcrimsun: nc?08:19
nixternalonly the hardcore crimsun ;p08:20
crimsunnah, that's bddebian. He thinks, and It Is.08:20
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LaserJockcrimsun: hmm, that's a little too minimal for me I think08:21
lupine_85not recommended over the wider internet though ;)08:21
LaserJockI'm just tired of using GUI browsers for LP/Debian08:21
nixternalhaha, LaserJock needs something more hardcore08:21
crimsunlinks2 was pretty nice when I used it08:21
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LaserJockcrimsun: what do you usually use, FF?08:22
crimsunw3m and FF08:22
crimsunI don't have administrative access on most of the Ubuntu machines here08:23
LaserJockhmm, I don't use many machines that I don't have admin access to08:24
crimsunnah, saves me headaches. Then I can just whine at the admin.08:24
LaserJockyeah, that's what I was just thinking08:24
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LaserJockI should make one of the new grad students admin ;-)08:25
crimsunwe pretty much converted an entire engineering college to use nexenta and ubuntu08:25
LaserJockmy school seems very anti-linux08:25
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Hobbseehey deitys?08:31
Hobbseeone of you figure out how to work the home phone here please...08:31
LaserJockwow, links2 in graphical mode is pretty sweet08:32
LaserJockcrimsun: did you take care of the icewm merge request on u-u-s?08:34
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crimsunLaserJock: no08:50
LaserJockcrimsun: ok, I've got it08:50
crimsunLaserJock: there was a period yesterday where I was unsubbed from u-u-s and awaiting moderator approval for resub during which I didn't receive any 08:50
Hobbseecrimsun: really?08:51
LaserJockcrimsun: ok, I wondered08:52
LaserJockcrimsun: well, according to times I got them before I got my sub confirmation08:52
LaserJockmaybe I stole them from you ;-)08:52
crimsunHobbsee: yes, due to the receiving doubles of every post08:52
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crimsunso I unsubbed and resubbed to take care of that08:52
Hobbseecrimsun: ahh08:53
Hobbseecrimsun: has that stopped?08:53
crimsunyes, it's fine now08:53
Hobbseecool :08:54
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LaserJockuh oh, dholbach's on09:15
dholbachgood morning09:15
LaserJockthat's my cue to go to bed ;-)09:15
dholbachhey LaserJock09:16
LaserJockhi dholbach 09:17
TheMusoHobbsee: What did Laser_away want?09:22
HobbseeTheMuso: to know what the best cli browser was09:23
TheMusoLaser_away: Whenever you return, elinks is the best atm.09:23
HobbseeTheMuso: did you go to lowenbrau last night?  i didnt see you there...09:23
TheMusoHobbsee: No.09:23
HobbseeTheMuso: :(09:24
TheMusoHobbsee: Mainly not knowing the public transport system in that area, and not wanting to get stuck out somewhere that I didn't know.09:24
HobbseeTheMuso: :(09:25
HobbseeTheMuso: there were plenty of us around, we could have found you09:25
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TheMusoHobbsee: Ah well.09:27
TheMusoI will be seeing people all of this week anyway.09:27
HobbseeTheMuso: :)09:28
TheMusoHobbsee: You coming on Thursday09:28
HobbseeTheMuso: yes09:28
HobbseeTheMuso: have you seen elky today?09:28
TheMusoHobbsee: Not yet. I know she was around, but didn't get a chance to meet her.09:29
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HobbseeTheMuso: right.  guess it's a bit silly asking you to look for her, and ask if she's got those cd's yet...09:29
HobbseeTheMuso: you're all otu of sessions nwo?09:29
TheMusoHobbsee: Yeah. I'm actually at home09:30
Hobbseeah!  so it's silly on two counts then!09:30
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StevenKHobbsee: She does. I know this because I handed them to her about an hour ago.09:37
HobbseeStevenK: cool :)09:37
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StevenKNuh uh09:37
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Ash-FoxWould anyone happen to know or have any idea why apt-build is behaving strangely with my packages/repository -- It refuses to download the sources? http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/apt-build-weirdness.txt09:53
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Ash-FoxGah, the package builds perfectly if I apt-get source and pbuilder/debuild/dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot it... And apt-build won't even download it.10:07
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Adri2000persia: file a bug in debian for linpopup's .desktop file? ;)10:28
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persiaAdri2000: Hey!  I just uploaded the diff.  I need a couple minutes to file a debian bug as well :)10:29
persiaAdri2000: 10:29
Adri2000eheh, ok :p10:29
persiaAdri2000: I hope don't mind about bitpim: I had just been looking at it before I fell asleep, and was certain that a sync wouldn't work.10:30
Adri2000persia: and you are still certain?10:33
persiaAdri2000: Yes.  debian/control in the sid source sets a binary dependency on python-ctypes, which is no longer a separate package for python2.5.10:34
crimsun(because python 2.5 includes ctypes internally)10:35
Adri2000ok, then no problem, I don't mind :)10:35
persiaI'm sure it seemed like a good idea to process .desktop files for the gnome file manager, but it's confusing when you actually want to select the .desktop file instead of the target :(10:36
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whiteHobbsee: doesn't gnash work?11:04
Hobbseewhite: mplayer plugin works, i got to where i wanted.  just it wont actually let you enter the site without flash 811:04
persiaHobbsee: That's evil website designers, not evil flash.  Kill the guilty, leave the innocent to offend later.11:05
Hobbseepersia: flash.  is.  not.  innocent.11:05
Hobbseepersia: linux version is still at 7.*11:05
Hobbseepersia: well, it is sony.  they're a known evil11:06
persiaHobbsee: OK.  There are several evils.11:08
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Nafallo!info cfv11:49
ubotucfv: versatile file checksum creator and verifier. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.18.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 172 kB11:49
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crimsunoh christ11:55
crimsunyay for uploading without adding to debian/patches/series11:55
ajmitchI've done worse11:56
crimsunwell, I know 11-xv_lockup.patch's not a regression at least11:56
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crimsunsiretart: +0.7, eh? :)12:16
StevenKOh no, not decimal SRU votes12:18
StevenKDon't make me vote +1.3 :-P12:18
xzuHi folks, i have  question: there is a small bug in a package I use. The package does not have an official Ubuntu maintainer, but the Debian package has. Now the same issue occurs in Debian testing/unstable. The fix just a very simple dependency issue, but what is the "correct" soluction? Contact Debian maintainer, wait untill she fixes it and import that or try to get it fixed in Ubunty Edgy/other releases ?12:19
crimsunwhich package?12:20
crimsunok, so there's no existing Ubuntu delta. In that case, it's probably preferable to push the fix directly to Debian, and then Ubuntu will sync from Sid.12:21
crimsunnow depending how "small" this bug is...12:21
xzuwhat does "existing Ubuntu delta" mean?12:22
xzuok, its in Debians bugtracker, so I guess the maintainer will pick it up12:22
crimsunthe current source version is 1.91.0-9.1, which is a direct sync from Debian12:22
siretartcrimsun: yay! (well, count that as +1)12:25
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persiaI'm working on libjsw.  I would like to make a single upload of a new upstream version with packaging changes to close all open Ubuntu bugs and an additional Debian bug.  How should I upload the new package?01:35
Hobbseepersia: uh...REVU...bug with the debdiff of debian/* would be good01:36
Hobbseepersia: seeing as just a debdiff would suck.  and so would just REVU.  although that would suck less.  just.  01:37
persiaHobbsee: Thanks.  Now I have yet more motivation to fix GPG.  I don't suppose you know how I hunt down and kill old keys floating around on the keyservers?01:38
Hobbseepersia: do you have the revocations for them?01:39
Hobbseeie, the rev... certificates?01:39
Hobbseeto do with revoking01:39
persiaHobbsee: If I spend a day or so, I might be able to find the disks on which the secrets lie (they are very old).01:40
Hobbseepersia: dunno if you can just ignore them....01:40
Hobbseeyou'd have to use your private key to revoke01:40
Hobbseethere's no other way to prove that you are the owner of that key, without hte private one01:41
Hobbseehowever, people will tend to use the key on LP01:41
persiaHobbsee: That's my fear as well - duplicates lead to confusion.  Perhaps I'll raise a bug on libjsw saying "don't fix this", and go hunt through my old disks.01:41
Hobbseepersia: well, they'll use the signed one...and the one that's being used, and the one you're signing mail with01:42
persiaHobbsee: You're suggesting just to ignore the old one for purposes of REVU & LP?01:42
Hobbseepersia: for the moment, yeah...01:42
persiaHobbsee: Well, if that's acceptable to Ubuntu, I'm happy.  I can procrastinate for even longer :)01:43
Hobbseepersia: heh01:43
Hobbseepersia: it's better to get rid of them - and generate a revoking certificate for this key, if you ever have to use it01:44
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Lutinheya freeflying :)01:45
persiaHobbsee: Yep.  With new disk sizes, I become more and more likely to clean up my stack of <10GB disks, and will surely find the keys in the process.01:45
Hobbseepersia: cool01:46
freeflyingLutin: hi01:46
Lutinhow are you ?01:47
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persiaProcesses are fun!  Could a REVU admin please sync my key to the REVU keyring?02:13
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Hobbseesiretart: ^ 02:14
Whoopie_crimsun: hi, is the acroread package in feisty intended for a security update in edgy? any plans?02:15
persiasiretart: No hurry.  libjsw still needs a couple hours work.02:16
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siretartpersia: done02:26
persiasiretart: Thanks.02:26
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_EnchainedHi everybody02:51
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_EnchainedHi bddebian :)03:55
bddebianHeya gang03:55
bddebianHi _Enchained03:55
\shhey bddebian03:56
_Enchainedbddebian: dvd95 is updated on revu ;)03:56
bddebianHi \sh03:56
bddebian_Enchained: OK03:56
_Enchainedand waiting for you loll03:56
_EnchainedI've added a manpage and corrected some little things03:56
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proppypygame broken in edgy ?04:01
proppyfor python2.504:01
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dholbachheya proppy04:02
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Lutinhay bddebian :)04:03
Lutinbddebian: sorry, I updated kayali again, could you have a look at it ?04:04
proppywill check against the source package, cause it only install in python2.4/site-packages, but not in python2.504:04
bddebianLutin: Yeah, probably in a bit04:06
Lutinok bddebian, thanks :)04:06
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persiabddebian: You're responsive :)04:06
proppyXS-Python-Version: 2.4 in pygame04:07
proppya not >= 2.404:08
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Lutinbddebian: cause you do a grat job on revu :-)04:10
bddebianLutin: Not hardly, but thanks04:11
persiaproppy: File a bug, being sure to mark is as an 6.10 bug.  It's fixed in Debian and Feisty.04:11
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proppypersia: i just checked again the file list of packages.ubuntu.com for feisty04:13
proppypersia: it's seems to have the same pb04:13
proppypersia: but i must double check on a real feisty04:13
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proppypersia: are you sure this a edgy only issue ?04:14
persiaproppy: Yes.04:15
proppypersia: +XS-Python-Version: >= 2.304:15
proppypersia: yep its corrected in current unstable04:15
proppypersia: thanks04:15
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proppypersia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygame/+bug/7940904:30
UbugtuMalone bug 79409 in pygame "[6.10 only]  pygame doesn't install in python2.5 on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:30
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crimsunWhoopie_: 7.04 no longer contains acroread04:42
crimsunWhoopie_: in light of its removal (both source and binary), it's questionable whether any effort should be expended on a security update04:43
Whoopie_crimsun: looking at bug 78339, you updated it. But why did you remove it?04:43
UbugtuMalone bug 78339 in acroread "Universal XSS" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7833904:43
crimsunWhoopie_: the issue is of course that we are not, according to the EULA, allowed to redistribute it without an agreement with Adobe.04:44
crimsunWhoopie_: no, the issue is covered in bug 4378004:44
UbugtuMalone bug 43780 in acroread "Acroread: Redistribution may not be allowed" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4378004:44
Whoopie_crimsun: ok, so you fixed both. ;)04:45
crimsunWhoopie_: I am solely responsible for the update. The removal from the archive is not my decision.04:45
crimsunNor am I an archive admin.04:45
Whoopie_np at all. I have a problem with password protected pdfs with evince. so acroread was the workaround.04:47
Whoopie_but as you shiped it with edgy, a security update would be wise.04:49
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asabilhi all05:27
asabilhow can I request a software to be added to feisty ?05:28
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geserasabil: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates05:41
asabilunfortunately the last time I submitted something there it just remained there :/05:42
geserasabil: the other solution is to create the package yourself and get it on revu reviewed05:43
asabilokey thanks05:43
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ScottKIs there another REVU sprint planned for Feisty?  The last one got me started here and I think another would be of benifit.05:59
LutinScottK: maybe it's a bit late now, uvf in on feb. 8th iirc06:01
ScottKI know.06:01
ScottKI've got two packages with one sponsor right now and another that's waiting for one of those before it can be REVUed.06:02
ScottKI'm starting to wonder if I'm doing to get stuff in by then...06:02
ScottKI was sort of hoping for another push before Feb 8.06:04
crimsunwhich upids?06:05
ScottKhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4070 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=407106:08
ScottKcrimsun: Real life called me AFK for a few minutes.06:09
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crimsunok, I'll look now06:17
crimsun(sorry, phone conf)06:17
ScottKUnderstand and thanks.06:18
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crimsunScottK: for postfix-policyd-spf-perl, it'd be a good idea to include the preamble for GPL2 in debian/copyright. Otherwise it looks good.06:21
ScottKHmm, I tried to follow the example in the new maintainer's guide as closely as I could: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-copyright - Is this a case where the documentation needs to be updated?06:23
palskihmmm gtetrinet is now in edgy-proposed but not for i38606:24
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crimsunpalski: it hasn't built yet. [https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/292817 ] 06:30
crimsunas noted in the builds status box on [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtetrinet/0.7.10-1ubuntu0.1 ] 06:30
crimsun(left side)06:31
palskiok, thanks06:31
bddebianSomeone please kill me :-(06:32
crimsunScottK: it's preferable (as I noted above) to include it. It wouldn't be strictly rejectable by omitting it.06:32
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crimsunbddebian: 12:33 [freenode]  -!- This command is for network staff only06:33
ScottKOK. Thanks.  I'll add it when I update my packages.06:33
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ScottKIs the license summary an issue just for GPL or for other licenses too (e.g. Perl Artistic license)?06:35
bddebiancrimsun: I meant that literally :)06:35
crimsunit's not an issue; it's just viewed as good citizenship06:35
ScottKOK.  Thanks.06:35
crimsunbddebian: your daughters wouldn't appreciate that06:35
ScottKNeither would we.06:36
ScottKbddebian:  ^^^^06:37
crimsunwe can't have 1/4 of our trinity running off06:38
crimsun1/3, even06:38
crimsunScottK: shall I wait on 4071, then?06:39
ScottKI'd appreciate a look as I had to rebuild orig.tar.gz for that one and am not as confident that the packaging is correct.06:40
ScottKSo for 4070 if I add the GPL preamble, you'd advocate?06:40
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crimsunScottK: yes06:45
ScottKOK.  Working on it now.06:45
crimsunScottK: for libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl, you have a debian/README.Debian-source, but it's not installed via debhelper files or via debian/rules06:46
crimsunScottK: as far as the rerolling of the source package is concerned, it's fine otherwise06:46
ScottKOK.  Thanks.06:48
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ScottKThe revision to 4070 is uploaded, but I don't have the new ID yet.  crimsum and bddebian I would really appreciate it if you would advocate/re-advocate.06:50
ScottKReal life is calling somewhate urgently or I'd stay and give you the new ID.06:51
ScottKThanks again.06:51
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Adri2000hey crimsun! I have some merges/sync requests waiting on malone, I don't know if you have seen them :p06:56
crimsunAdri2000: I've been in a phone conf most of the morning06:57
crimsun(so no, I have not)06:57
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luisbgLaser_away, ping06:57
Adri2000crimsun: ok, you can see them at +reportedbugs :)06:58
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crimsunthat "sound" highlight is driving me batty07:13
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jamesbroseHow would I add my own ubuntu deb to apt-mirror?07:39
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pianoboy3333What are provides?08:17
imbrandonjamesbrose, just one deb ?08:27
LaserJockluisbg: pong08:28
imbrandonjamesbrose, it wasent made to just add / remove one deb, you would have to make a repo just for that one deb then mirror it08:28
imbrandonheya LaserJock 08:28
Lutin'morning ajmitch08:32
LaserJockhi imbrandon and ajmitch 08:33
ajmitchimbrandon is here, a rare sight these days08:34
imbrandonhehe ajmitch yea i lurk alot more08:34
ajmitchalmost as much as I do08:34
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imbrandoni'm actualy here alot durring work i just read backscrolls08:35
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imbrandonbut today ( and the next two ) are mine off08:35
ajmitchI don't have that luck08:35
imbrandonmon tue wed seem to be my "normal" days off now08:35
imbrandonleaste this month08:35
ajmitchI prefer having a normal week, and having weekends08:36
ajmitchsince my friends tend to have weekends off as well :)08:36
imbrandonme too, but i'm still training some new people for the weekends08:36
ajmitchyes, I do actually have friends outside of irc ;)08:37
imbrandonhahah ;)08:37
LaserJockajmitch: really?!?08:37
LaserJockI don't08:37
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imbrandoni met this nice little gurl the other night, took some ubuntu time from me ( not that i was complaining though )08:37
ajmitchLaserJock: yeah, we had a great night last night at a friend's place :)08:37
fernando"outside of irc" this makes no sense to me08:38
ajmitchimbrandon: heh08:38
imbrandonfact i'm supose to call her today sometime .......... hum08:38
pianoboy3333What are provides in relation to a package/packaging system?08:38
ajmitchpianoboy3333: virtual packages08:39
ajmitcheg apache2 can provide httpd08:39
LaserJockpianoboy3333: there's also some good info in the Debian Policy08:39
ajmitchexim & postfix can provide mail-transport-agent08:39
pianoboy3333ajmitch: but what does that mean if apache2 provides httpd, isn't httpd already another package?08:39
imbrandonor X for xfree86 and xorg 08:39
pianoboy3333Is it just explaining what's in the package?08:40
ajmitchimbrandon: a little harder, they're too many packages now08:40
ajmitchpianoboy3333: it's for dependencies08:40
imbrandonajmitch, true08:40
ajmitchso you can have something depend on apache2 | httpd08:40
pianoboy3333I see...08:40
ajmitchif you have another webserver installed, the package will use that08:40
ajmitchotherwise it goes with what the package maintainer suggests08:40
imbrandonor soemthing depend on a mta but dosent care if its postfix or exim08:40
pianoboy3333so it's like08:40
pianoboy3333package X also contains what's in package Y, so if something depends on package Y, it could depend on package Y, or X08:41
ajmitchpretty much08:41
ajmitchequivalent functionality08:41
imbrandonmostly yes08:41
imbrandonhum food08:41
ajmitchmmmm, food08:41
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imbrandonnoodles sounds good right now08:42
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ajmitchnoodles & mt dew08:42
ajmitchwhat a mix08:42
imbrandoni finaly got CS:SOURCE to install under kubuntu too08:43
LaserJockI haven't tried Ramen+Dew, it could be interesting08:44
ajmitchclassic student food08:44
LaserJockI know a guy who always ate his cereal with Dew instead of milk08:44
LaserJockyeah, that's what I thought08:44
LaserJockbut he was in the army08:44
imbrandonfruity pebbles and dew is nice08:44
LaserJockand apparently that was a good way to get food fast08:44
LaserJockplus some caffeine08:44
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imbrandoni'm trying to install debian via plip,very annoying08:45
ajmitchhow slow is it?08:46
imbrandonvery , special since its on a p13308:46
imbrandonwith 16mb ram08:46
imbrandoni just want to run a c64 emu on it08:46
ajmitchit'll probably be too slow for that :)08:46
imbrandonthis old lappy with no cdrom or nic08:46
ajmitchno floppy drive either?08:46
imbrandonso plip or 100000 floppys was the only choice08:47
ajmitchI've done a floppy-only install08:47
imbrandonhow many floppys ?08:47
imbrandonwith no nic ?08:47
ajmitchthough that was in the days of potato or earlier08:47
ajmitchah, it had a nic, so we just got the bare installer on 08:47
ajmitchwith a stack of floppies08:48
imbrandonsee i booted from a floppy and started the plip install08:48
ajmitchabout 3 that we constantly recycled :)08:48
imbrandonhaha yea08:48
imbrandoni had to find a floppy drive08:48
imbrandoni dident have one in any of my computers08:48
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ScottKbddebian and crimsun: The revised postfix-policyd-spf-perl is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 - I'd appreciate it if you would look at it/advocate again.  08:57
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zulhey ajmitch 09:00
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bddebianScottK: I'm trying, I'm just buried at work atm :-(09:10
LaserJockhi zul 09:11
ScottKUnderstand.  I really appreciate your persistence on helping me.  The only change is to add the GPL preamble that crimsun suggested.09:11
Adri2000bddebian: are you going to merge gwget2?09:24
bddebianAdri2000: Go ahead and try it :)09:29
Adri2000I already *tried* :)09:29
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tsmithebddebian, could you advocate alsa-firmware? :P09:52
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bddebiantsmithe: Did you fix it? :)09:57
bddebianAll of them ;-P09:58
tsmithehuh?? /me confuzzled09:58
Adri2000LaserJock: in http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html wouldn't it be possible to have a link to the last debian changelog?09:59
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ScottKbddebian: While tsmithe is confused, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4079 is updated to resolve crimsun's comments in addition to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 that I mentioned earlier...10:01
Nafallobddebian: vare to look at wave-look @ REVU?10:02
bddebiantsmithe: I want to talk to crimsun about it since it's alsa and firmware packages aren't my specialty10:02
tsmitheoh ok10:03
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tsmithebddebian, i dunno how to fix the alsa-tools script problem, and i don't know how to do man pages for apps i don't know what they do, and am only updating to fix an issue with the new alsa-firmware10:03
ScottKNafallo: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=357010:03
tsmithethe lintian errors on alsa-firmware *are* to de expected10:03
geserAdri2000: isn't the link to the PTS enough?10:03
NafalloScottK: indeed :-)10:03
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bddebianI've never heard of an "expected" lintian error :)10:05
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tsmithebddebian, well they are firmware10:07
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tsmitheso they are to expect that error10:07
ScottKtsmithe: If they are expected, you might want to create over-rides for them and document why.  Then it'll be clearer to people what's going on. http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html#s2.410:08
LaserJockAdri2000: it's possible, I just don't want to crowd it too much10:09
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Nafallothat LDAP thing in the Ubuntu Classroom? when was that again?10:23
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tsmitheopen week?10:29
LaserJockNafallo: ask imbrandon 10:31
Nafalloimbrandon: at LDAP thing in the Ubuntu Classroom? when was that again?10:31
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LaserJockhmm, any schroot users around?10:39
Adri2000LaserJock: it'd be useful to see if changes in debian are enough important to request a sync10:40
geserI use it for preparing uploads10:40
LaserJockAdri2000: yes, but you can also get that from the PTS link10:40
LaserJockAdri2000: just with a few more clicks10:41
LaserJockgeser: do you have a feisty one?10:41
LaserJockI assume so10:41
geserLaserJock: yes10:41
Adri2000LaserJock: ok :)10:41
geserAdri2000: sometimes you need more than the last changelog10:41
LaserJockgeser: would you mind pastebining your config for me?10:41
joejaxxHello Everyone10:42
imbrandonNafallo, tomarrow10:42
bddebianHeya joejaxx10:42
Nafalloimbrandon: ah. any time set yet? :-)10:42
imbrandonummm, i dont rember to be honest, i would have to check my email10:43
joejaxxbddebian: :)10:43
LaserJockNafallo: right after he's stocked is frig with Mt. Dew10:43
bddebianNafallo: Go fix wave-look :-)10:43
imbrandonman its snowy and icey outside, but i dont wanna stay home10:43
tsmitheimbrandon, lucky devil10:44
Nafallobddebian: what's wrong with it? :-P10:44
Nafallocomments maybe :-)10:44
imbrandontsmithe, lucky?10:44
tsmithefor snow, yeah!10:44
imbrandoni hate the snow10:44
=== white waves to siretart and invites all to the utnubu-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org list :)
imbrandonugh another mailing list 10:45
imbrandoni already ignore the 50 i'm on10:45
whitewell then one more does not make a difference ;)10:45
bddebianWhat's utnubu?10:46
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imbrandontypo i hope10:46
whitethe "merging things from ubuntu into debian" project10:46
nixternali have always wondered the same. probably some drunk coder did a typo and it stuck10:46
bddebianHeya siretart10:46
shawarmaNo, it's ubuntu backwards.10:46
bddebianOh, I thought that died? ;-P10:46
nixternalor that10:46
siretartbddebian: utnubu is an debian initiative to merge ubuntu work back to debian!10:46
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bddebiansiretart: Yeah, I recall that now :)10:46
ajmitchhi siretart 10:47
bddebianHeya ajmitch10:47
siretartbddebian: white (and some other crazy guys like me) want to revive it10:47
imbrandonohh, i just work with my dd sponsors for the packages i look after heh10:47
siretarthuhu ajmitch, hi imbrandon 10:47
imbrandonheya siretart 10:47
bddebiansiretart: Are you a DD?10:47
siretartbddebian: since about a wekk, yes ;)10:47
bddebianAh, nice, congrats10:47
imbrandoncongrats siretart 10:47
ajmitchsiretart: well done10:47
siretartbddebian: slomo as well, btw :)10:47
imbrandoni have another DD to bug then ;)10:48
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whiteimbrandon: that's what utnubu is about as well ;)10:48
imbrandonheh, i'll need an advocate soon i guess ( soon == next 6 months )10:48
siretartthe channel here seems to be pretty crouded with DDs.. which is great10:48
imbrandonwhite, i have 2 or 3 that i bug now and then ( and 2 or 3 that bug me about stuff in ubuntu ;P )10:49
bddebianScottK: What changed in libnet-dns-foo-bar-baz?10:49
ajmitchpeople know not to bug me10:49
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imbrandonhum , time for a clean install, i think i've messed this one up enough10:50
Nafalloajmitch: I'm not people ;-)10:50
ScottKbddebian: I added the license preambles crimsun wanted and added README.Debian-source to the docs file to it gets installed.10:50
LaserJockwell, I hope utnubu gets revived. I'm a little skeptical of projects like that but it'd be nice if they worked well ;-)10:50
whiteLaserJock: feel free to join in, you are welcome :)10:50
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whitesome manpower for writing the wnpp bugs and asking the ubuntu developers if they want to take care of the package in debian as well is needed10:51
whiteand then of course reviewing, or giving advices if needed and stuff10:52
bddebianScottK: Oh, I thought that was the other one.. Hmm10:52
imbrandonwhere is the ML signup page, i guess one more procmail rule wont kill me10:52
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ajmitchover 1000 rules yet? :)10:52
ScottKbddebian: They both needed the license change.10:53
ScottKThat was the only change in the other one.10:53
LaserJockimbrandon: seriously?!?10:53
imbrandoncan we get a naibed-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com ? heheh just tesin10:53
LaserJockwhen I used procmail I had ~ 20 rules10:53
ajmitchimbrandon: no10:53
bddebianScottK: OK, got it10:55
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imbrandonLaserJock, did you see http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/15/198212&from=rss10:58
imbrandonthat might intrest you10:58
ScottKbddebian: Thanks for the re-review/advocacy. Any other MOTUs up for looking at  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4079 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 - They are both in need of a 2nd advocate.10:58
LaserJockimbrandon: wow, that is interesting10:59
LutinLaserJock: could you have a look at kayali on revu ? computer algebra system, might interest you :)11:00
bddebianLutin: I'm uploading it now :-)11:00
Lutinbddebian: ohhh great :)11:00
Lutinthanks :)11:00
LaserJockphew, got out of that one ;-)11:00
ajmitchLaserJock: you just have to learn how to duck fast11:01
imbrandonwow , ok this laptop is going in the trash11:04
imbrandon12+ munites to load a c64 emulator11:05
imbrandoni mean damn its only a 6510 1mhz proc11:05
imbrandoni wonder if i could rip the lcd out of it for anything usefull11:05
imbrandons/usefull/geek worthy11:06
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imbrandonyea the c64 ran at something like 1.04 mhz11:09
imbrandondont rember exactly but something close to that11:09
ScottKOf course it way only a 6502, not the advanced 6510.11:09
imbrandonthe 6510 was justa 6502 with more busses iirc11:09
imbrandonahh yea11:10
imbrandon6510 @ 1.02 MHz (NTSC version) / 0.99MHz (PAL version)11:10
imbrandonpeeks and pokes from my childhood11:11
ScottKDidn't know that.  I went from 6502 to Z80 and nevery did anything with 6510.11:11
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imbrandonyea , infact the c64 had an add on cart that added a z80 proc11:11
imbrandonso you could do cb/m stuff11:11
ScottKYep.  I had an add-on card for my Apple ] [+ that did Z80.11:12
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bddebianSing it LaserJock11:12
tsmithe@lart lintian-overrides! why do you hate me, lintian???11:12
imbrandonMOS Technology 6510/8500 (the 6510/8500 being a modified 6502 with an integrated 6-bit I/O port)11:13
imbrandonScottK, ^^11:13
ScottKHrrm.  This brings back memories.11:13
imbrandonheh i even though about getting one of those c64 DTV things and modding it the other day11:13
ScottKIt was a Z80 project on the Apple ] [+ that was the first time I stayed awake so long programming that I started hallucinating.11:13
ScottKWhen the guy over your shoulder starts making suggestions and you're the only one in the room, it's time to go to bed.11:14
imbrandonor when you feel something cold on your shoulder and look up to see its the floor , it might be time to stay there11:15
ScottKYeah, althougth that's never happened to me because of programming.11:16
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crimsunbddebian: hi11:19
ScottKcrimsun: Hi.11:20
crimsunScottK: hi11:20
imbrandonhi, *11:21
crimsunhi, motu trinity member11:21
bddebiancrimsun: Heya11:21
ScottKI updated my packages to fix the licensing question and install the README.Debian-packaging problems http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4078 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4079 I'd appreciate another look when you have a moment.11:21
crimsunwow, all three of the trinity present11:21
crimsunwe are blessed!11:21
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LaserJockhmm, I saw s/blessed/cursed/ 11:23
bddebiancrimsun: If you get a minute could you possibly check out alsa-tools and alsa-firmware on REVU?11:23
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crimsunI've been attempting to get revu work done, but wifi has not been cooperating, so I took a break to swim11:24
LaserJockbirrrr, too cold to swim here11:25
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bddebiancrimsun: No worries11:27
tsmithecrimsun, so are you possibly able to do some now? /me asks11:28
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crimsuntsmithe: you're queued behind ScottK 11:28
tsmithecrimsun, cool11:29
Adri2000crimsun: and where am I? :p11:29
LaserJockhmm, schroot is creeping me out. I'm not sure what it's doing :-)11:30
tsmithebddebian, thanks greatly for asking for me :D11:30
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bddebianAdri2000: What's your package?11:30
Adri2000bddebian: it's merges and syncs on malone11:30
bddebianAh, pfft :)11:30
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Adri2000https://launchpad.net/~adri2000/+reportedbugs :)11:31
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crimsun  postfix-policyd-spf-perl_1.08.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.11:33
crimsunSuccessfully uploaded packages.11:33
crimsunthanks for your work!11:33
ScottKThank you!11:33
bddebianw00t, finally! :-)11:34
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crimsunScottK: sorry, I should have been clearer: the section that's normally quoted in debian/copyright is the section at the end of /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL11:38
crimsunScottK: the part following "To do so, attach the following notices to the program"11:39
ScottKHow about the artistic license quote?11:39
crimsunthat's fine11:39
ScottKI'll be right back.11:39
bddebianGah, gotta head home, later gang11:42
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ScottKcrimsun: The new ID is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4081.  I'd appreciate getting another look...11:50
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crimsun  libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl_0.002.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.11:57
crimsunthank yo!11:57
crimsunyou, even11:57
crimsunSuccessfully uploaded packages.11:57
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Hello58 hi all12:00
ScottKThanks for reviewing.  The one remaining package I have pending needs that one in the archives before it will build, so in the meantime I'll review that package for lessons learned from these two.12:00
ScottKHI Hello5812:00
Hello58 hi scott12:01
Hello58 can you help me out with installation of murrine?12:01
crimsunok, there's conspiracy afoot12:03
crimsunthat random drive-by corresponded with a panhandler just accosting me in the coffee shop12:03
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LaserJockcrimsun: hmm, see anybody in a suit and black glasses around?12:05
LaserJockif somebody comes up to you and says their name is Jack Bauer, run12:06
geserLaserJock: did you got schroot running?12:08
LaserJockgeser: yes, although I'm not really sure how to use it or what it's doing12:10
LaserJockI did schroot -c feisty and I get a chroot12:10
LaserJockit must mount my /home though12:10
geserschroot does it for me (mounting /home)12:11

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