age6racerI'm gonna take my chances I think.12:25
somerville32Plus you have to worry about possible exploits in Wine12:26
Jester45yes first you have to get them to run then you have give them sudo ablities then somthing might happen12:26
age6racerBut can we try to work out how to run something as sudo/gksudo from a launcher without having a terminal open pls?12:26
maxamillionJester45: its not emulation? ... so you are saying wine is a functional installation of windows?12:26
somerville32maxamillion, Neither.12:26
Jester45maxamillion: its a layer12:26
somerville32maxamillion, Wine is the windows api implemented in Linux12:27
maxamillionJester45: layer is translation, translation is emulation12:27
age6racerThe Wine developers don't like it being referred to as emulation.12:27
somerville32maxamillion, Wine is not an emulator, Adam.12:27
Jester45maxamillion: the wine server pretty much changes the commands from windows to linux12:27
age6racerBut it's easier for people ot get their heads around if you do.12:27
maxamillionfine ... i12:27
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somerville32Good boy.12:27
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somerville32age6racer, Please just do as they suggest and modify the permission on the file.12:29
maxamillioneither way, "translation" or "emulation" ... if a windows exploit is executed under wine with the correct permissions then it can exploit your linux system12:30
age6racerok then12:30
Jester45yep but you also have to have it working to get it to break somthing12:30
somerville32maxamillion, It isn't a translation either12:30
Jester45somerville32: API layer right?12:31
maxamillionsomerville32: i really don't care ... i don't run windows or its software so the project could bork for all i care12:31
somerville32Jester45: Yes.12:31
somerville32Anyhow, I need to do real life stuff.12:31
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Jester45i agree with maxamillion untill they get my favorite game working12:32
vidd_laptop*wave* somerville3212:32
age6racerHow do I make a launcher for terminal? what it the terminal command for the terminal itself?12:32
maxamillionJester45: which is?12:32
vidd_laptopJester45, what game is that?12:32
maxamillionage6racer: Terminal ... case sensitive12:32
Jester45just to be mean im not going to tell12:32
maxamillionmeh, ok12:33
age6racerahhh ok thanks12:33
maxamillionage6racer: np12:33
=== Jester45 whispers to maxamillion "its Freelancer"
Jester45the best thing MS has made12:33
=== maxamillion has never heard of it
vidd_laptopno..."virus catcher" was (aka everything they wrote)12:34
maxamillionan no ... the xbox is the best thing MS has ever made, only thing they ever did right12:34
Jester45have you heard of google?12:34
Jester45maxamillion: no freelancer is first then xobox only becuase it has halo12:35
Jester45freelancer is an old game but its still looks really good and is fun to play12:36
vidd_laptopand it dont run in wine?12:36
maxamillionHalo:CE ... best fps ever made ... halo2 was alright, and i bought a xbox360 just for halo3 ... also reserved a copy of halo3:legendary edition at ebgames :)12:36
Jester45maxamillion: im going ot get a 360 just for halo 312:37
Jester45then im going to get ps3 i hate the wii12:37
Jester45i dont want get tired of playing a game12:37
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vidd_laptopJester45, you mean ya want to get tire OF a game...not FROM a game?12:38
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Jester45yes from not of12:39
=== vidd_laptop heres they are starting to makelive dvd games
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__mikemHow do I change the background for xfce panel12:41
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maxamillioni will admit that wine is a good project and will help alot of people make the migration to linux12:41
Jester45maxamillion: it is it just needs to work better people that love windows and cant let go of parts of it dont want to search if the program works or not12:42
vidd_laptopwhat we NEED to do is get vender buy-in12:43
__mikemDoes anyone know how to change the background for xfce-panel12:43
vidd_laptopconvince the game makers to be compatable with wine as well as M$12:44
maxamillionJester45: yeah ... the project is OLD too, they have come a long way, i remember 5 years ago when i spent an hour hacking at things to get starcraft to run on wine because my friends wanted to have a SC lan12:44
maxamillionvidd_laptop: never gonna happen12:44
maxamillion__mikem: do you want to actually change the colors of the panel?12:44
__mikemno I want to add a background picture to the panel12:44
vidd_laptop__mikem, /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/12:45
Jester45maxamillion: or dual boot12:45
vidd_laptopthat is the folder you need to add your pic too....12:45
vidd_laptopthen right-click on desktop12:45
maxamillionJester45: yeah ... lol, but i don't have a copy of windows ... used to have a bootleg copy of win2kpro but i lost it :/12:45
vidd_laptopdesktop settings12:45
vidd_laptopmaxamillion, if ya WANT i can dcc ya an ISO12:46
__mikemum, no vidd_laptop, I want to change the background for xfce-panel, not xfdesktop12:46
maxamillionvidd_laptop: naw, i deal with enough windows at work ... thanks though12:46
somerville32Can you please take the offtopic chatter to -offtopic?12:47
vidd_laptop__mikem, oh...i dont know if you can12:47
somerville32__mikem: It is currently not possible. However, you can set the transparency of the panels in Edgy and Feisty.12:48
cellofel1owsomerville32: I'm still installing feisty with QEMU. QEMU's been running at 100% CPU for 14 hours now. (I did install kQEMU accelerator.)12:52
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maxamillioncellofellow: i don't think that's right12:54
maxamillioncellofellow: 14 hours of 100% cpu12:54
cellofellowI'm installing on a real hard drive. Will boot with grub.12:54
cellofellowit's taking it's bloody time. It's an emulator, and a second-rate emulator at that.12:55
somerville32Well, gotta do real life stuff now12:55
cellofellownot 100% the whole time, just most.12:55
cellofellowfirefox likes to steal some.12:55
maxamillionah ... rgr12:56
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__mikemIs it posible to make the one of the panels transparent?01:02
cellofellowNot even KDE gave me that much control01:02
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chris_ok if I have installed beep media player01:03
chris_can I uninstall gxine?01:04
chris_if I try it says it wants to remove xubuntu desktop too01:04
vidd_laptop  chris_ yes01:05
vidd_laptopremoving xubuntu-desktop is harmless01:05
somerville32Not exactly01:05
vidd_laptopit is a meta package that does not do anything, but required the default setup01:05
chris_well all I'm saying is I don't need 2 media players01:06
chris_so if it is going to be a real hassle to get rid of the one I don't use I'll leave it01:06
vidd_laptopsomerville32, what harm is there of removing xubuntu-desktop?01:06
chris_otherwise if there is a proper way of doing things tell me how please01:06
cellofellowdepends on how xubuntu-desktop was installed whether it's harmless or not.01:07
vidd_laptopchris_, it is nothing to worry about01:07
vidd_laptopyou can uninstall the xubuntu-desktop01:07
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chris_I installed a command interface by itself first from the alternate install cd01:08
chris_then I installed xubuntu-desktop01:08
vidd_laptopapt-get or aptitude?01:08
age6racerhey all. Does anyone know how to add sub-menu's and launchers to the xfce-menu01:08
chris_apt-get I believe01:08
cellofellowthen you're allright.01:09
cellofellowage6racer: right click it, and then Edit Menu. You can move the seperators around to make things look more together.01:09
chris_ok to get rid of it?01:09
chris_I'll try it then01:10
vidd_laptopchris_, yes01:10
age6racerit doesn't list all the applications though. there's nothing in it?01:10
cellofellowI don't think the base 15MB system is usable. Not even nano or vi.01:11
cellofellowwrong window01:11
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cellofellowage6racer: it imports the system menu. that's it.01:12
chris_now how do I associate my music files with beep media player?01:12
chris_I figured it out01:12
age6racerwhere do i find the config file for the system menu?01:12
cellofellowright click, open with, choose BMP, and check the always open with box. (In Thunar.) That's the quick ugly way.01:12
chris_how do I kill something?01:14
chris_sorry but I'm sort of new to linux01:14
cellofellowkill pid, or killall command01:14
cellofellowor you can use top. htop is better.01:15
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cellofellow(htop isn't installed by default yet.)01:15
chris_I'm in graphics mode right now01:15
cellofellowwb maxamillion01:15
chris_and how do I find the pid?01:15
cellofellowterminal is still available01:15
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cellofellowprocess manager in Apps -> System should work.01:15
chris_ok thanks01:17
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chris_I'm having the hardest time getting foxytunes to find my player01:29
chris_anyone know where I find the firefox profiles folder?01:30
maxamillionchris_: profiles or preferences?01:30
chris_I think I want profile01:31
cellofellowit's ~/.mozilla/Firefox01:31
maxamillioni think somewhere in /usr/share/firefox/01:31
cellofellowfor the profile prefs01:31
maxamillioncellofellow: i thought that was prefernces?01:31
chris_oh nevermind01:32
cellofellowprofiles are sets of preferences01:32
maxamillionmeh ... i dunno that much about firefox, nvm me01:32
chris_I guess what I need to do is create a symbolic link01:32
chris_ln -s /usr/lib/libbeep.so.2.0.0 /usr/lib/libxmms.so01:32
chris_"On some systems you will have to create a symbolic link from libbeep dynamic library to libxmms."01:32
cellofellowcreate a symlink to beep called xmms in /usr/local/bin01:33
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chris_ok I know what I have to do but not how01:33
cellofellow/usr/local/bin takes preference over /usr/bin01:34
chris_oh I navigated to /usr/local/bin in thunar01:35
chris_now what?01:35
cellofellowoh, use ln. try ln -s /usr/bin/beep /usr/local/bin/xmms01:37
cellofellowthe command xmms runs beep01:37
chris_not sure what you mean exactly01:37
chris_never made one of these links before01:37
chris_I'm a noob01:38
chris_what is ln?01:38
cellofellowln meens link01:38
cellofellowjust add sudo to that command, but replace /usr/bin/beep with whatever the command really is.01:39
chris_so I need to do ctrl+alt+f1 to get the command line first?01:39
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cellodinnerapps -> system -> terminal01:40
bradleydoes anyone know where i can find the specifics of xubuntu feisty's features?01:40
chris_not really. google?01:42
maxamillionbradley: errr ... actually i am falling behind, i was supposed to write that yesterday and put it on our website01:42
maxamillionbradley: lemme try to find a basic specification outline though01:42
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bradleymaxamillion, no worries, it would be great to see anything i can... i am getting pretty excited about it.01:44
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maxamillionbradley: here is the specifications nav page on the wiki for feisty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty01:45
maxamillionbradley: the wish list is a pretty good thing to read, i don't know for sure how much of it will be implemented but to my knowledge that is what is being attempted to be added01:46
bradleyi'm checking it out now...01:46
maxamillionbradley: check out the Welcome Center too ... that is something I am personally proud of because i was a part of it, granted i wasn't able to code any of it because i hadn't learned python at the time of its creation, but if we ever need to add anything to it .... i'm on it ;)01:48
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chris_I can't even find libxmms.so01:48
bradleywhere do i check out the Welcome Center?01:48
maxamillionbradley: ^^^ there is a link for a screenshot too, that was early development so it doesn't have any content ... but the wiki that screenshot is hosted on is made to look like the welcome center and has all the documentation that will be included posted on it01:50
__mikemhow do I view an smb share in xfce01:50
maxamillion__mikem: takes some trickery to be honest ... another thing that will be added to feisty01:51
__mikemI know I can use smbmount, but I forget how to01:51
maxamillion__mikem: man smbmount <--- in the Terminal01:52
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noalternativeWhy does thunar open twice when I click file manager?01:58
Jester45are you double clicking?01:58
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Jester45bye bye all but dont worry i will be back in a couple of hours01:59
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noalternativeI right click to open the applications menu and when i click file-manager the applciations menu closes so it seems impossible to double click.01:59
noalternativeI am using xubuntu dapper.01:59
=== vidd_laptop seems to recall reading about a known glitch involving single click opening two thunar windows....
vidd_laptophave you downloaded all the updates?02:01
noalternativeI have used apt-get update.02:01
noalternativealso my version of xubuntu was upgraded from breezy to dapper, so that would have updated everything. I think?02:02
vidd_laptopnot sure02:03
noalternativeshould I use update-manager?02:04
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vidd_laptopi would02:04
noalternativeyes, but it didn't come in a specific distro.02:04
maxamillionvidd_laptop: don't think there is, but there was the xubuntu meta package at the time ... just not a released sub distro (iirc)02:04
noalternativeYou had to use the ubuntu breezy disks to do a network install then install xubuntu_desktop with apt.02:05
maxamillionnoalternative: i will warn that if you use update-manager to get from a previous release to edgy, it will probably fail ... there is a known critical bug that i don't think is fixed yet02:05
vidd_laptopyou would be better advised to svae your data and do a clean install to edgy02:06
noalternativeI got them a year ago, but was using feather linux at the time.02:06
noalternativecan you use update manager to just update within dapper?02:07
maxamillionnoalternative: not sure, never used it ... to update within dapper i just do "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade"02:07
noalternativethis works almost perfectly but for that one thing, so I don't want to wipe everything out over the thunar glitch.02:08
vidd_laptopmaxamillion, you remember that glitch with thunar opening 2 times?02:08
ron_ovidd_laptop -  I thought that was me doing that!02:09
noalternativeI also am not keen to install edgy given the long term support offered to dapper users.02:09
vidd_laptopnoalternative, i dont blame you02:09
vidd_laptopi KNEW i read about a glitch02:11
vidd_laptopill pastebin it....02:12
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:12
vidd_laptopit is because of the "save session" thing02:13
vidd_laptopnoalternative, ron_o http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1640/02:14
chris_I guess foxytunes is failing because I have 64 bit xubuntu02:15
noalternativethanks vid02:16
vidd_laptopnoalternative, np02:16
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chris_oh well it isn't essential02:19
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Shaezschei issued the command "sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/xfce4-panel" and now when i login my panel doesnt show up. how can i set it back to what it was originally02:21
vidd_laptopchmod +s?02:22
vidd_laptopgive me a sec02:23
Shaezschecant i -s or something simple02:23
vidd_laptoptry that first02:23
maxamillionapparently gnash+youtube=flashplayer just sitting there02:25
vidd_laptopdoesnt adobe own youtube?02:25
vidd_laptopShaezsche, it work for you?02:26
maxamillionvidd_laptop: no .. google just bought youtube02:28
vidd_laptophmmm works for me02:28
vidd_laptopoh yeah...i have adobe02:28
maxamillioni don't do adobe, their software is awesome but horribly slow02:29
vidd_laptopis anyone working on a shockwave player for linux?02:29
maxamillioni get annoyed with slow02:29
maxamillionvidd_laptop: i thought shockwave went out of business a long time ago02:29
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vidd_laptopthere are STILL sites that insist on using it02:30
Shaezschei cant try it atm02:30
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Jester45how do you make isos from a cd/dvd02:51
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Jester45i remember now02:54
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cellofellowwhy is it that in htop, qemu's time is 15h+, while X's time is only barely 1h, while has been running for much longer than qemu?03:30
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's cpu time, not regular time.03:31
cellofellowwhat's CPU time then?03:31
PuMpErNiCkLeThe amount of the cpu's time it's taken.03:31
TheSheepcellofellow: the time that cpu spent executing this process's commands03:31
cellofellowok. so X has been mostly idle for these many hours, while qemu has been chugging away at high speed.03:32
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cellofellowso, what's load average?03:34
cellofellowmine's at about 1.503:34
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TheSheepcellofellow: load average is the <number of system calls waiting>/<number of systems calls actually executed>03:37
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TheSheepcellofellow: system calls are things like disk access, graphics card access, etc.03:39
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cellofellowyay! my qemu installation of feisty is almost done after just shy of 16 hours of CPU time. Prolly 18-19h of real time.03:40
cellofellownow it's done. just need to add it to grub03:41
TheSheepcellofellow: cpu it can get weird if you have mutliple cpus or cores :)03:43
TheSheepcellofellow: my university project used to use at least 16x more cpu time than wallclock time ;)03:44
cellofellowthat makes sense. multicore, multiply time by cores. (sort of)03:45
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cellofellownow, in grub, hdb1 == (hd1,0) right?03:52
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Jester45when i try to change some settings i get the error:The configuration could not be loaded you are not allowed to access the system configuration04:25
Jester45anyone know what this happens it does this b4 i can give the password04:25
Jester45i know it happens when i try to look at the start up services menu->system->services04:27
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Jester45hey cellofellow04:29
cellofellowhey, I've just install Feisty, and X isn't working. I have an Nvidia TNT2 which used the nvidia-glx-legacy driver in Dapper and Edgy, but I can't find it in Feisty. NV not working either.04:29
Jester45wanna help me  with somthing04:29
cellofellowI need help. :)04:29
cellofellowbut, sure, if it's simple.04:29
Jester45when i try to change some settings i get the error:The configuration could not be loaded you are not allowed to access the system configuration04:30
Jester45anyone know what this happens it does this b4 i can give the password04:30
cellofelloware you superuser?04:30
Jester45i know it happens when i try to look at the start up services menu->system->services04:30
Jester45no but it doesnt ask me for pass04:30
Jester45this open happens when i use the menu04:30
cellofellowthat launcher should use gksudo, if it doesn't, fix it.04:30
cellofellowFeisty Xorg. Anybody?04:31
Jester45its not launcher its part of the xfce menu04:31
cellofellowthat's a launcher, a .desktop file, somewhere in /usr/share/applications04:31
Jester45o and cellofellow whats the diffirence between Xfree86 and xorg04:32
Jester45strange  i didnt mess with that stuff04:32
cellofellowXorg is a fork of Xfree86.04:32
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cellofellowwith new features.04:32
Jester45is one faster?04:32
cellofellowXorg is I think.04:32
cellofellowsupports more drivers I know.04:32
cellofellowand compositing.04:32
Jester45so free86 is older04:32
cellofellow!info nvidia-glx-legacy feisty04:33
ubotunvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+ (feisty), package size 2991 kB, installed size 9780 kB04:33
cellofellowmultiverse, of course.04:33
Jester45cellofellow: whats in the .desktop file that would be stoping me04:35
Jester45normal things ask for the password but now it gives that error04:35
cellofellowJester45: the exec line should say gksu command cause that needs to run as superuser.04:36
Jester45ok it says Exec=network-admin04:36
Jester45i need to add gksu04:37
Jester45ok well this gonna take time04:37
cellofellowI can't find the legacy driver04:37
Jester45cant you install old version from edgy04:38
cellofellownot good idea. Edgy has Linux 2.6.17, Feisty has Linux 2.6.2004:38
cellofellowI wish just good old nv would work.04:39
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cellofellowyeah, x works now04:41
Jester45thanks mine works also04:43
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cellofellowhad problems with screen04:44
cellofellowI'm back now.04:44
cellofellow!info feisty vlc04:46
ubotuPackage feisty does not exist in edgy04:46
cellofellow!info vlc feisty04:46
ubotuvlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3212 kB04:46
cellofellowit isn't downloading04:47
crimsunwhat isn't?04:47
Jester45vlc for fiesty04:47
cellofellowvlc. It's not there. I have universe and multiverse enabled.04:47
cellofellownever mind. spelling error in sources.list04:48
crimsunnever tell a package maintainer that his package is "not there"04:48
cellofellowoh, sorry. I didn't know you maintained that.04:48
Jester45wow no wonder why i have problems with vlc :)04:49
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crimsunI'm joking, but yes, I do most of the maintenance work on that package.04:49
Jester45crimsun: do you know why the ati drivers in the repos are so old04:49
cellofellowI love VLC and love the windows version and use it for streaming across the lan. It's called VideoLAN Client isn't it?04:49
crimsuncellofellow: yes04:49
Jester45they did just get updated but not to the current04:50
crimsunJester45: I don't maintain l-r-m, so I don't know offhand04:50
cellofellowcrimsun: that was a retorical question. :)04:50
crimsunthis might be a rhetorical answer ;)04:50
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cellofellowooops. I figured I misspelled that.04:51
Jester45converting 8 dvds takes a bit of time04:52
cellofellowwhat with? I've tried using VLC for that.04:52
Jester45frontend to mencoder04:53
Jester45my harddrive is going bonkers04:53
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Toristcan someone help me setup postfix04:54
Jester45accessing that much data plus im using azureus and its going pretty fast04:54
Toristor any other email server when they get a chance04:54
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somerville32Hello! :)04:54
Toristhey every104:54
ubotuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!04:54
spasticteapotCan anyone help me install Xubuntu off of a USB hard drive?04:54
Jester45spasticteapot: how big is it04:55
spasticteapotI have a laptop that won't accept my PCMCIA CD-ROM drive as a boot device.04:55
spasticteapotThere's...23.5GB of free space.04:55
Jester45o boot from then drive04:55
Jester45i thought you ment install to04:55
spasticteapotNo, I need to use the hard drive in place of a CD-ROM drive.04:55
cellofellowI just used QEMU to install Feisty from an ISO image. Took 16 hours of CPU time, about 18 real time.04:56
cellofellowthat won't work.04:56
spasticteapotThere's a new Ubuntu already?04:56
cellofellowit's an emulator04:56
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+104:56
Jester45and in devolopment04:56
cellofellownot till April, thus it's 7.0404:56
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cellofellowI'm testing the ISO and I really want Linux 2.6.2004:56
crimsunwe're only at 2.6.20-rc504:57
spasticteapotAll I know is that they're mad for not including a GUI wifi manager.04:57
cellofellowit should have usbvision working though, I hope.04:57
cellofellowWifi Radar please!04:57
spasticteapotI'll take just about anything, though.04:57
cellofellowWhat would it take to get Radar in main?04:58
spasticteapotThe problem is that often you don't have access to a wired connection, so you can't download it from a repository unless you can connect to wifi.04:58
Toristcan someone PM me on how to setup an email server on xubuntu?04:58
Toriststep by step04:58
spasticteapotOf course, configuring wifi from the command line is a huge, huge, huge headache.04:58
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Jester45Torist: try installing a server then man <servername>04:59
cellofellowI tried to get Wifi Radar working on Ubuntu Edgy LiveDVD today, and it wouldn't let me put my WEP key in.04:59
Toristok, i tried all the mans online04:59
Toristno help, they were too complicated04:59
somerville32Torist: Try #ubuntu-server04:59
cellofellowmanpages are like that.04:59
Toristis there any email program that has a GUI04:59
Toristthat anyone knows about04:59
Toristok, i'll try ubuntu-server04:59
spasticteapotMozilla Thunderbird?04:59
Toristthats client only05:00
Toristno server05:00
cellofellowthere may be python or perl-based gui configurators for the conf files.05:00
Toristthanks though anyway spasticteapot05:00
cellofellowlike apache05:00
Toristi'll check w/ the server ppl05:00
Toristgot apache up on my own05:00
Toristi'll move to the server room, thanks05:00
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spasticteapotSo...does anyone know how to install Xubuntu off of a USB hard drive?05:01
cellofellowyou could put thec ISO on there are use QEMU, but that would take all day. And you would have to use the alt CD, not Live.05:01
Jester45pop harddrive out and install on a diffrent computer?05:02
cellofellowwhat are some of the non-cd ways of insatlling Ubuntu? What about Debian net-install. can that be hacked into downloading ubuntu?05:02
cellofellowThat would be easiest05:03
spasticteapotNo good - it's a 1.8" super-micro-sized IBM hard drive.05:03
spasticteapotCompletely incompatible with anything.05:03
spasticteapotIBM X40.05:03
spasticteapotGreat laptop.05:03
spasticteapotRefuses to boot off of anything,though.05:03
spasticteapotWhat's wrong with a laptop?05:03
spasticteapotThinkpads have good Linux support.05:03
cellofellowno, just trying to think about ways to install on there. You sure it won't boot from CD?05:04
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=== cellofellow was just thinking that nothing must be final on the Feisty artwork cause it looks identical Edgy.
spasticteapotThe X40 has no internal optical drive.05:05
spasticteapotIt's why it's so bloody small.05:05
crimsunnetboot it05:06
cellofellowwill it boot from USB? Like maybe DSL on USB Thumbdrive.05:06
cellofellowyeah, or set up a terminal server. :)05:06
crimsunyes, it will, but if he doesn't have a usb device, it's moot05:06
cellofellowsame thing05:06
spasticteapotI have a USB hard drive.05:06
spasticteapotIt's the only thing it even recognizes.05:06
crimsunI netbooted my X41 with 5.0405:06
spasticteapotWhat I want to know is if I can get the hard drive to act as a CD-ROM drive.05:07
cellofellowcrimsun: you're gonna have to tell him how. I've no idea how to set up a terminal server.05:07
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Toristcan someone give me the room for ubuntu server stuff again?05:07
cellofellowbest bet is to get the nic to work as hard drive.05:07
Toristi can't seem to find it on the channel lists05:07
Jester45cellofellow: use the alt cd and dont pick the first option05:07
cellofellow#ubuntu-server is what somerville32 said05:07
spasticteapotAlt CD?05:07
crimsunspasticteapot: you can certainly boot off a usb drive at a higher priority over your onboard05:07
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spasticteapotBooting off the USB hard drive is easy - it's installing from it that's hard.05:08
Toristthere is no such room "ubuntu-server"05:08
cellofellowJester45: I saw the LTSP option, but I don't think he wants to reinstall on another box just to get LTSP.05:08
Toristthere is an "ubuntu-desktop"05:08
cellofellowsomerville32: where can Torist get to a server room?05:08
Jester45Torist: ask in #ubuntu05:08
Toristok, thanks05:08
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Jester45problem solved05:09
crimsun3:09 -!- Topic for #ubuntu-server: Ubuntu Server *development* discussion |05:09
crimsun          general support -> #ubuntu05:09
Jester45oo i bet i know what he did05:10
Jester45he did /join channel no #05:10
spasticteapotI wish I had an effing CD-ROM drive right about now.05:11
Jester45whould anyone here like to teach me some programing language05:11
spasticteapot....that's a tall order.05:11
spasticteapotPerhaps you should ask someone else that?05:11
spasticteapotLike your local university?05:11
cellofellowJester45: I have lots of books on C, Java, Python, and Ruby.05:11
Jester45cellofellow: E-books or the much funner regualr books05:12
cellofellowon DVD05:12
cellofellow2GB of them05:12
spasticteapotThat's a lot of books.05:12
Jester45dcc them?05:12
cellofellownot all of them05:12
cellofellowbut let me look through a list05:12
Jester45whats your upload rate?05:12
spasticteapotChanging topic...so, is there a way I can do this?05:13
Jester45spasticteapot: do you have a 2nd cmoputer?05:13
cellofellowspasticteapot: like crimsun said, use network boot.05:13
Jester45cellofellow: wanna to go -offtopic05:13
spasticteapotHow do I do that?05:13
spasticteapotAnd, more specifically, do I need Linux installed on the second PC?05:14
Jester45do what05:14
spasticteapotNetwork boot.05:14
Jester45you have a little but of linux and boot it then install from the internet all the rest05:14
cellofellowJester45: C, Java, Python, TCL/TK, shell, MySQP, CSS, JavaScript, and HTML books.05:15
Jester45well i know html05:15
Jester45java to slow05:15
cellofellowjust a list05:15
cellofellowPython is fun05:15
Jester45thats what i was thinking05:16
cellofellowI'll send you the one I'm reading.05:16
spasticteapotEr...so then how to I do it?05:16
Jester45spasticteapot: im not sure i just know the main idea behind it05:16
Jester45spasticteapot: try google its knows all05:16
Jester45cellofellow: how have a beginner python05:17
Jester45how about*05:17
cellofellowI have several. Yes, I'm still beginning.05:18
cellofellowone second...05:18
Jester45yey we can work together05:18
Jester45i read it you do it k?05:18
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Jester45i read fast05:19
cellofellowJester45: /dcc get05:19
Jester45not often but fast05:19
Jester45hehe silly cellofellow i use gaim05:20
Jester45it pops up a accept/denie thing05:20
cellofellowreading ebooks is sort of hard.05:21
Jester45come on cellofellow close your downlaods :)05:21
Jester45no pages to turn05:22
cellofellowsorry, that book 15MB and it's going as fast as it can.05:22
Jester45hehe 13.26mb on my end05:22
Jester45its ok its not dail up speed05:22
cellofellowcrimsun: is /dev/dsp the input on my soudcard by default.05:22
crimsuncellofellow: only for oss emulation.05:23
cellofellowhmm. what would the input device on my soundcard be? I'm trying to use VLC and V4L to digitize videotapes.05:24
Jester45crimsun: how do you know so much05:24
cellofellowJester45: he's a lot older than you. ;)05:24
cellofellowcrimsun: ?05:25
crimsuncellofellow: default, or hw:0,0 if you must specify an explicit alsa device05:27
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cellofellowso, /dev/dsp will work?05:27
crimsunyou don't want to use /dev/dsp unless you _have_ to05:30
Jester45thats sweet05:30
crimsunthat's the oss-emulated device05:30
Jester45im encoding my dvds at allmost real time05:30
cellofellowwhat's a good video editor? Preferably lightweight, and not pro quality, mostly some clean-up and cutting.05:30
cellofellowcrimsun: ok. when I open the Video4Linux tab in vlc, the default video device is /dev/video, which I changed to /dev/video0, and the default audio input device was /dev/dsp05:31
crimsunyou don't have a /dev/video symlink?05:31
cellofellowoh, and good codec support for the video editor. I want to be able to DVD and YouTube the videos.05:32
Jester45the transfer is done :)05:32
cellofellowno, no /dev/video, just /dev/video005:33
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cellofellowyeah, it is low quality, but it works on my computer with Gnash and semi-sow internet.05:33
cellofellowcrimsun: so, what do I put in the Video4Linux tab for audio in?05:34
Jester45google video is a bit better05:37
cellofellowsame company.05:37
cellofellowso, competition isn't there.05:38
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Jester45im going05:51
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cellofellowhmph. The family is watching TV so I can't test my video capture device. (We've only one VCR.)06:18
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_3oo3hello hello!  I'm considering using an ubuntu install, and I'm used to running openSUSE with gnome.  What would be major differences between opensuse/gnome and xubuntu?06:44
_3oo3(also not familiar with the xfce environ, so I may need breifed about that as well)06:44
SchijnnAre there any 3rd-party repos with more recent versions of packages than the official ones?06:45
_3oo3also, what's the difference between 'Edgy Eft' and 'Dapper Drake'?06:46
Schijnn_3oo3: Edgy Eft is newer06:48
cius_3oo3 Edgy is the latest release, Dapper is the next to latest release, aka the 'long term service' release.06:48
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maxamillion_3oo3: the main differences will be xfce4 vs. gnome ... its a much more simplistic environment, it has all the features you need, none you don't and isn't redundant ... i recommend downloading the 6.10 edgy "desktop" cd which is a live cd and you can try it out before deciding if you would like to install it06:50
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cellofellowWhat would the device file be for my line-in sound?07:18
maxamillioncellofellow: no clue :(07:19
cellofellowuhgg. I got the video working, but now no audio.07:21
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cellofellowwow. ok, that worked.07:25
cellofellowswitched from line in to mic in, and bingo.07:25
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cellofellowin audacity, not a video player.07:28
maxamillionahhhh ok07:28
cellofellowso, audio capture in audacity works, video watching in XawTV works. Now I really need a program that will capture and save both.07:29
maxamillioncinerella maybe?07:29
cellofellowhmm. maybe07:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cinerella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:29
cellofellow!info cinerella07:29
ubotuPackage cinerella does not exist in any distro I know07:29
cellofellowcan't find it.07:30
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maxamillioncellofellow: i dunno .. it was a program in elive07:30
Schijnnit's cinelerra or cinelarra07:31
Schijnn!info cinelerra07:31
ubotuPackage cinelerra does not exist in any distro I know07:31
Schijnn!info cinelarra07:31
ubotuPackage cinelarra does not exist in any distro I know07:31
maxamillionlemme find the actual program name07:31
Schijnn!info cinellara07:32
ubotuPackage cinellara does not exist in any distro I know07:32
cellofellowok, I've got video coming in on /dev/video0 and audio on ALSA device hw:0,307:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cinelera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:34
cellofellowIt'd be nice to have the audio capture and edit, and video capture and edit all in one app. If not, then I think I can manage capturing them seperatly and maybe possibly mix them in another app, I still need a video capturer.07:36
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maxamillionapparently its the most kept secret ... i can't find anything about it on google other than some mentions of it in forums07:37
cellofellowwhat about a v4l2mpeg or v4l2avi program of some sort. I tried VLC and it balked. MPlayer doesn't even pretend to support V4L. A command-line capture program would be fine. Seeing as the video device doesn't support audio at all, at least when using component, I need something that can handle seperate devices, ALSA devices.07:39
cellofellowwell it's good-night time07:47
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mike_ajicould anyone help me with the update manager? i would like to automatically check once a day the available updates and to have some kind of notification in the upper panel is there are any. how could i do that?11:47
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grazieCan anyone tell me how to check whether my isp is blocking certain ports?12:26
TheSheepgrazie: use nmap12:27
grazieTheSheep: thanks12:34
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galorinI've just instaled xubuntu and got my wireless working following a howto from the ubuntu forums.  It's a rt61 chip, and with this being a laptop, I'd like to be able to use it out and about.  How can I get scanning to work?12:40
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LinLapApexhey fellas01:59
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dag_dganybody got a good embedded multimedia plugin for the xfce version of firefox? I can't get mozilla-plugin-mplayer to be recognized, and vlc's plugin works, with no sound02:47
dag_dgtotem fails as well02:47
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dag_dgmplayer on xubuntu? anybody? (not kmplayer)03:19
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apokryphosubotu: mplayer03:23
ubotumplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile03:23
ubotuFor Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.03:23
dag_dgI tried compiling her, she won't compile03:27
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apokryphosdag_dg: why not install it from the repos?03:33
dag_dgshe's not in the xubuntu repos03:33
apokryphosshe is indeed03:33
dag_dgI've enabled restricted, universe, and multiverse03:34
apokryphossee the link above for instructions03:34
dag_dgkmplayer's there03:34
dag_dgnot mplayer03:34
apokryphosubotu: info mplayer03:34
ubotumplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB03:34
dag_dgI need the mozilla mplayer plugin03:34
apokryphosyou can't have multiverse enabled03:34
apokryphoskmplayer is in Universe03:34
apokryphosubotu: info mplayer-mozilla03:35
ubotuPackage mplayer-mozilla does not exist in any distro I know03:35
apokryphosubotu: info mozilla-mplayer03:35
ubotumozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB03:35
grazieapokryphos: I've installed mplayer and gmplayer and the plugin no problems03:37
grazieapokryphos: Look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy03:37
apokryphosgrazie: I know where they are, it was dag_dg wondering03:38
apokryphosand it's covered on the Ubuntu wiki03:38
grazieapokryphos: sorry!03:38
apokryphosno worries ;-)03:38
dag_dgkk, my multiverse was spelled multi-verse03:38
graziedag_dg: Look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy03:39
dag_dggah, just new to xubuntu. My synaptic isn't even showing, so I have to sudo aptitude it03:42
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dag_dghow do I reinstall the synaptic package manager? I mean, what package is the synaptic package manager?03:44
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dag_dgeyah, I'm getting dependency problems when trying to install mplayer03:47
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fontpdI installed a command line screenshot utility a while back, but can't remember the name. Does anybody know what the name of it is ?05:00
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Jester45whats a good python interpreter?05:09
Jester45nevermind i got it05:14
fontpdeverybody has today off from irc, i see05:30
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PuMpErNiCkLeYou can view installation history in /var/log/dpkg.log05:37
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icheynehow come my PC cannot shut down in Xubuntu? It hangs at the progress bar screen with the black mouse - with the progress bar 100% complete06:52
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cellofellow'cuse me, but why isn't there an nviidia-glx-legacy driver for 2.6.20 in Feisty? I tried to install it but it was going to install 2.6.17 and I need
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PuMpErNiCkLe!info nvidia-glx-legacy feisty06:58
ubotunvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+ (feisty), package size 2991 kB, installed size 9780 kB06:58
PuMpErNiCkLeI see it there.  Your mirror might not have it.06:58
cellofellowwell, apt was downloading 2.6.17 cause that was a dependancy.07:00
icheyneI found the answer to my problem I think. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288735&page=2&highlight=xubuntu. I'll try it tonight.07:03
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dosnlinuxcan I edit config files if I use xubuntu, or do I have to use a special tool?07:30
PuMpErNiCkLeEditing config files works.07:30
dosnlinuxyay! With Suse I had to do everything through Yast :P07:31
dosnlinuxI heard rumors that xubuntu was going to have beryl installed by default07:32
dosnlinuxare they true?07:32
PuMpErNiCkLeLat I checked, they were considering that for Ubuntu for the next release.  I'm not sure if they've decided anything yet.07:33
PuMpErNiCkLe(They were still debating whether it should be done as default, as an option, not at all, and whether to use Compiz or Beryl if they did.)07:34
dosnlinuxI hope not, at least not by default07:35
dosnlinuxseems kinda counter productive for Ubuntu's objective, or at least my understanding of it07:36
dosnlinuxat least having it installed by default07:37
PuMpErNiCkLeNot entirely - compositing managers offer some useful features.  It would be counter intuitive if they included it in Xubuntu, which is targetted at low-spec machines.07:37
dosnlinuxboy, I'm using "at least" a lot today :P07:37
dosnlinuxI agree07:38
dosnlinuxplus it's just one more thing to fit on a CD07:38
dosnlinuxmaybe they should have something like bubuntu that has it installed by default?07:39
dosnlinuxthen you could install it with a simple apt-get bubuntu desktop07:39
dosnlinuxIs xubuntu "official" or is it a community led thing?07:41
PuMpErNiCkLehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeByDefault <--- discussion on Composite by default, in case you're interested.07:41
dosnlinuxthanks, I'll take a look :)07:42
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's an official release.  It's missing Shipit, but that's about it.07:42
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leobloomcan I ask help fo a problem on xubuntu?08:01
leobloomI have a problem, I have a very old laptop and  installed xubuntu dapper from alternate cd, everything was ok but after a while the menus diisappeared and I even had troubles with the  background image08:02
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leobloomI know the first bug is  common and I've found a guy who explained how to fix it but he connected to the web and I can't do that on that laptop, it doesn't even have an ethernet!08:03
PuMpErNiCkLeThe menu disappearing can be fixed by replacing ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml with /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml.08:05
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's a backup default menu.08:05
PuMpErNiCkLeWhat happened with the background image?08:05
leobloomwell I'm a noob, how can I replace that?08:06
leobloomIt doesn't charge it, it's a gif 2.3 mb thoguh and the laptop is an old PII 400 mhz 128 RAM, when I switch it off though I can see it for a ocuple of seconds, then it disappears08:07
PuMpErNiCkLeIn a terminal, run 'cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml'.08:07
Jester45leobloom: turn it off as in the laptop or just turning off the background08:08
leobloomwhat do you mean jester, sorry I haven't got. and btw, is that menu bug fixed on xubuntu 6.10? Will I have to manually fix it everytime it happens or is there some kind of patch?08:09
leobloomdo you mean to turn the background off, that is, not to use any background?08:10
Jester45no what did you mean by "It doesn't charge it, it's a gif 2.3 mb thoguh and the laptop is an old PII 400 mhz 128 RAM, when I switch it off though I can see it for a ocuple of seconds, then it disappears" are you switching off the laptop or just the backgrond08:11
leobloomthat the laptop doesn't charge that image if I change the default background image on the desktop, but I can see it for  some seconds as I switch the pc off, I suppose it's a ram memory but I'm not sure08:11
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leobloomI tried to use no background image and just leave a colorful background but the menus leave "a trace" somehow, if I open them there is a shadow of them on the background as they close and it stays there08:12
Jester45it might be your screen but i dont think thats the problem it could be that the computer has the background at the bottom of the list of things to turn off so its the last thing08:12
mAIJKHello! I want to install xubuntu on my lappy. But I only have one floppydisk. Is it possible? I do not have an CD-rom drive. I have the ISO on my drive and a network access.08:13
Jester45mAIJK: you might want to talk to PuMpErNiCkLe about that08:13
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leobloomwell, anyway I'd like to gain more speed there so I chose not to use any pic or stuff as background but I still have those stupid shadows as I open the menus08:14
PuMpErNiCkLe!netboot | mAIJK08:15
Jester45leobloom: the default background is a picture the only thing that makes it slow down would be that your picture is a bigger file/higher detail so it takes longer to process08:15
ubotumAIJK: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues08:15
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mAIJKPuMpErNiCkLe Yes but it says 3 floppydisks08:15
Jester45then i might need 308:16
leobloomso it's a ram trouble as I thought =o/08:16
Jester45you might be able if you have a 2nd computer is use the 1 disc and when it ask for a 2nd rewrite over the first08:16
Jester45leobloom: not really, try gettting a very small picuter as a background then turn it off08:17
leobloomwhat do you mean with "trun it off", =o/ how can I turn a pic off??08:19
Jester45leobloom: what ever you did b4 to get the picture to stay on the screen do it again after you change to a smalller picture08:19
PuMpErNiCkLemAIJK: Try this one, instead, then.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows08:20
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leobloomI did nothing, as soon as I changed the default one and tried the new one it hasn't work, default one was still there eve n thoguh it should not  and I've only seen the one I tried to have for a couple of seconds as I switched the computer off08:21
Jester45leobloom: o08:21
Jester45leobloom: what happens after you restart?08:22
mAIJKPuMpErNiCkLe I have downloadad instlux but I can't seem to find wich file to start in windows?08:23
mAIJKPuMpErNiCkLe there is just alot nsi files08:23
mAIJKAn is there support for xubuntu 6.10?08:23
Jester45mAIJK: you can install 6.06 then update but that has had problems08:24
leobloomnothing, I just restarted a couple of times and after a while the menu disappeared, the default image was still there and in the end I decided to instal ubuntu but it's damn heavy on my laptop =o(08:24
Jester45leobloom: yes i wouldnt use ubuntu on a 400mhz 128 ram thats gonna slow it down alot08:25
Jester45leobloom: what verson of xubuntu was it08:25
leobloomdapper drake from alternate, a guy suggested me the OEm but since I have no way to connect that laptop to  interneta and I have no idea on how to install everything from packages and in addition  with commands... :D08:26
Jester45leobloom: try edgy08:27
leobloomedgy xubuntu? Well, I can't install a OEM anyway =o/08:28
Jester45just a regluar edgy install it will run much better than ubuntu on that08:29
leobloombut will that menu bug be fixed? And all in all I need some stuff that I have on ubuntu but I do not have on xubuntu =o(08:30
Jester45im not sure if its would be fixed08:33
leobloomwait, I'll show you something08:33
leobloomobviously this guy has a far better laptop but if mine was even 1/10 of that I'd be extremely happy =o)08:36
Jester45whats the point of that video08:38
Jester45he just opened somthings08:38
leobloomthe speed08:38
Jester45im about that fast08:39
Jester45my firefox is faster08:39
leobloomhe managed to install a hyperlite verison of ubuntu, removed everything he didn't need08:39
leobloomeh, well I'm not, not even on my pc, which is just  a PIII 733 Mhz but at least  it's faster than the laptop08:39
Jester45i didnt see the computer specs he had08:40
Jester45but my firefox is totaly in my ram :)08:40
leobloomhe has everything in RAM !!08:41
Jester45you know what he could of did? install xubuntu08:41
leobloomhe claims it's so fast even  when it switches it on08:41
leobloomand he recompiled the kernel so now it takes 20 seconds to switch everything on =o/ I'm envoius08:41
Jester45he wasted his time08:41
leobloomyep but he said he likes the gnome and ubuntu has fewer bugs.. and of course he wanted to show off :D08:42
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Jester45he could of used a DSL live cd08:42
Jester45it coming with the opton to load it all to ram08:43
leobloomI thought about it =o) but I'm not sure I'm able to manage with stuff like that :SD08:43
leobloomisn't damn small linux completely via commands?08:43
leobloomubuntu edge amd athlon 64 3400+ (2400 Mhz) ram 512 are his specs08:44
Jester45it has an xserver08:44
Jester45he need more ram08:44
leobloomuhm and what's an xserver in veery easy words?=o)08:44
Jester45the thing that gives you windows and color and a gui08:45
Jester45its non command line08:46
leobloomlike gnome and xfce?08:46
Jester45gnome and xfce are window mangers they control settings and resize the windows and things like that the xserver is what displayes things08:47
leobloomI evne thought about waiting for a stable verison of ubuntu lite or try the fluxbuntu but I've read it's still very buggy and from next month on I'll never have access to internet so I need quite a stable release08:47
Jester45xubuntu is the light verson of ubuntu and its stable08:47
leobloomso gnome needs xserver too  doesn't it?08:47
Jester45anything with a gui needs a xserver08:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:48
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:48
Jester45thats doenst explain anything08:48
Jester45maybe PuMpErNiCkLe could explain a little better08:49
Jester45explain what a xserver is08:50
leobloomis there a way to make xfce even lighter? All in all the only softwares I need on my laptop are those of openoffice (it's a pain to load it though) and something to listen to music/watching a video like vlc08:51
PuMpErNiCkLeAn Xserver is a graphical input/output control.  It creates windows, controls where they appear relative to each other, controls which gets focus, input from devices, etc.  It controls the display elements common to all graphical programs.08:52
Jester45mpayer is good for video08:52
leobloomand what's the difference with gnome and xfce or fluxbox then?08:53
PuMpErNiCkLeThe desktop environment.08:53
leobloombut vlc is lighter and more versatile =o) I stil havetroubles to understand how to install something on linux from a source or a .deb package :D08:53
Jester45gnome is slow fluxbox ugly and xfce is just right08:54
leobloomso to make things simple gnome comes after xserver?08:54
Jester45from a deb you just double click08:54
leobloomI've read I have to use the terminal and tell the pc I want to charge stuff from differante locaitons (either from a cdrom or from files I  put on my desktop via usb stick)08:55
Jester45like coping files?08:56
leobloomI simply  look for the file I need from the repository and manually download everything hoping not to forget some dependencies, I'm collectiong them in a folder, as soon as I have enough of them I'l create a cdrom that my laptop can read and charge them from the cd...08:58
Jester45u can use the file manger i dont know what the one for ubuntu is08:58
Jester45xubuntu hasthunar08:58
Jester45it just lke windows you can drag and drop08:58
Jester45i gtg08:58
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leobloombtw, a stupid question, if I download a software, let's say abiword and it has some dependencies, let's say some libs I donwload them all right? and what if these same libs have other dependencies? I have to download those too right? Thus I'd have to download thousands of things!=o/08:59
PuMpErNiCkLeYou don't normally have to download that many.  In any case, that's what apt is for - it handles the dependencies automatically.09:01
leobloombut my laptop doesn't have ibnternet09:02
leobloomI can't use apt09:02
leobloomI've found some dvd 's iso images of the whole ubuntu reopository on bittorrent, I might download them  and buy a dvd drive for my laptop09:03
PuMpErNiCkLeWhy not buy a NIC instead? o.O09:03
leobloomwhat's a nic?09:06
PuMpErNiCkLeNetwork interface card.09:06
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PuMpErNiCkLeIt doesn't have to be.09:07
leobloomuhm so what is it? I'm a complete noob, I'm learning everything bout my pc just by trying this and that on linux :D09:09
decaeloNetwork Interface Card doesn't necessarily need to be an Ethernet, although it does fall in the category. Any networking card can pretty well be considered an NIC as far as I know, wether it is ethernet, wifi, etc..09:10
leobloomI don't even know if and how I can isntall an ehternet on my old laptop :D it old has a rj11and a usb plus some serial and parallel ports...09:10
leoblooma wifi for a laptop like that?=o)09:11
decaeloLike what? Are you asking if a wireless card for a laptop is considered an NIC?09:13
leobloomno, if a wiki card can actually be installed on such an old machine09:13
leobloomit's a PII 400 mhz =o)09:14
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leobloomI know it has some infrared stuff but I've never understood how to make it works and what for and linux dowsn't even recognize it09:14
decaeloYeah, it probably doesn't work out-of-the-box, more than likely you'll need tweaking. Even though it's an old computer, I think it should work as long as you can physically connect it inside the computer, I don't think there is a difference in architecture.09:15
decaeloI know Bluetooth didn't work with my computer when I first installed Ubuntu.09:16
leobloomuhm I'd like to have it done by a technicvian :D but the only two I know don't even know what ubuntu is so I fear their "deeds" :D09:16
decaeloLoL.. well, although the word Ubuntu isn't really IT jargon, I'd be more worried if you told him you were running Linux and he was like 'Whats Linux?'09:17
decaeloIn fact, I'd put his MCSE cert somewhere he wouldn't like.09:18
decaeloLike the recycling bin.09:18
leobloomyesterday noght (or should I say this morning lol) I browsed here and there  on the web to find a way to connect my pc to my laptop and create a tiny lan, I've read there is a way with a laplink cable via serial or parllel port, even though it's slow it' wouldn't be much slower than a normal ethernet lan (which I oculdn't have now since I have no ethernet on my laptop and only one already used on the pc)09:19
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decaeloWhy don't you just get a router?09:20
decaeloIt'll make your life much easier. Much less headaches, too.09:20
dosnlinuxDoes the Xubuntu install require internet access?09:20
decaeloNope. None of the Ubuntu installs do unless you specifically choose 'Network Installation'. If you downloaded the CD-Image from the site / mirrors, you should just be able to burn the disc and boot it up.09:21
leobloomactually  the adsl modem I have "should" also be  a router, I just dunno how to configure it and I'd need to install stuf on my laptop anyway plus I'm moving to a different nation in a few weks so I dunno yet if I need it then09:21
leobloombut you need one to have the updates, no?09:21
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dosnlinuxThe edgy installer seemed to get hung up trying to install openoffice from the web09:22
decaeloLeo: Yes, you need a connection to get the updates.09:22
leobloomor a cdrom =o) as I'm trying to do =o)09:23
decaeloHeh, yeah, if you find someone nice/patient enough to burn stuff for ya09:23
decaelodos: did the installer physically freeze? or just the progress bar for your openoffice install?09:24
leobloomwell, real problem is, if i FIND  a way to make it works lol :D do you think a dvd drive can be put on a laptop like that? I've found some but I dunno if there is any difference between a laptop or a pc for them09:24
decaeloYeah PC DVD-Roms are about twice the size of laptop drives...09:25
dosnlinuxprogress bar, the install continued once I plugged the net-cable in, but seemed to be stuck before that09:25
decaeloI'm pretty sure you could find a USB DVD-ROM09:25
decaeloDos: That's really weird. If you have no life like myself, try duplicating the error. Might just be a coincidence.09:27
leobloomahah it's a 1.0 usb and it's the only one I have, a friend of mine told me to use that usb with an adapter for ethernet to connect the laptop to the adsl modem but after seeing it  he just laughed and said it's useless =o/09:27
dosnlinuxI'll try again next time I install09:28
decaeloDoes OpenOffice run fine right now?09:28
dosnlinuxshould I report it if I am able to duplicate the problem?09:28
decaeloYep. There are certain standards for reporting bugs.. you have to be able to dupe the bug being one of the standards. There are a few more, but they're listed on the page.09:29
dosnlinuxOO.o seems to work fine09:29
decaeloCool. Was it near the end of the install when it 'hung'?09:29
dosnlinuxthe first package (right before core) was skipped though09:30
dosnlinuxyeah, It was about 85% installing packages09:30
decaelocuz really the only thing I can think of, is that OO.o was near the end of install when it froze, finished the install, looked for a NIC, and hung like that as it searched (sometimes it can take a while), and perhaps the next step in the install was to configure network access09:31
dosnlinuxconfiguring network was towards the begining09:31
decaeloWell, perhaps not necessarily something that configures the network, but tries to use it.09:32
dosnlinuxit's the edgy alternate install cd if that helps09:32
dosnlinuxany install logs I can check?09:33
decaeloThat's what I am trying to figure out also... forgive me, I am not a guru yet :)09:34
dosnlinuxnp, first ever install of *buntu09:37
dosnlinuxfor me09:37
decaeloGood for you, wise of you to take the initiative.09:39
dosnlinuxnot really, I mainly installed it to do some config scraping for some stuff on Slackware09:39
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dosnlinuxI don't mind trying to duplicate the error though09:40
dosnlinuxIt may just be a patience problem ;)09:40
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dosnlinuxheh, root does exist on ubuntu09:45
dosnlinuxhe's just well hidden ;)09:45
leobloomback =o)09:48
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leobloomcan I ask something else, is there some difference among the repositories of kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu and all the non official versions?09:48
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dotBL0tcan i ask you a question about apt in xubuntu?09:52
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dosnlinuxI think they're all the same repo's, just the desktop package is different09:52
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dotBL0tanyone knows if there's an automated way to remove unused (uninstalled) packages from apt cache and keep only the installed ones?09:53
leobloomI thought that too but then I've also noticed there is a difference among the different softwares, some are only for kde, for ex. katomic09:53
dosnlinuxfor scheduling09:53
leobloomautoclean cache doesn't work?09:53
dosnlinuxleobloom, those apps may need QT to run, Ubuntu/Xubuntu use GTK09:54
dotBL0twell i didn't tried because i don't know if it will clean all packages and not only the uninstalled ones09:54
leobloomso it's a question oif libraries?09:54
leobloomI'm not 100% sure but I think that autoclean should only clean that09:55
dosnlinuxI think most KDE apps need QT/kdelibs as minimum requirements09:55
dotBL0tso autoclean is similar to autoremove but it's about cached packages?09:55
dotBL0t(sorry for my english)09:56
leobloommy pc is too old to be usable under kde i think, it's already rather slow with gnome09:56
leobloomeh, you're talking to a noob here, I don't really know09:56
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dosnlinuxwhat app are you trying to install?09:57
grazieleobloom: I wouldn't bother trying Open Office with that machine either09:57
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leobloomI have OO oin that laptop :D it's deadly slow but it's very good and stable, i need it for my thesis10:01
dosnlinuxwow! QT pulls a lot of dependancies :P10:02
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leobloomwhat's the*buntu command for the task manager? my synaptic is stuck an I want to force it to quit10:02
grazieleobloom: abiword would be faster...10:03
hyper_chhiho, big troubles... somehow I keep getting disconnected from my wifi and when I try to enter the network configuration I just get an error message:  The Configuration could not be loaded.  You are not allowed to access the system configuration.10:03
dosnlinuxleobloom: xfce4-taskmanager10:03
leobloomI know but abiword is less good when i have to switch to office, I migth work and write my thesis onboth and since I'll have no internet I can't afford have some toruble with softwares and such10:04
dosnlinuxor xkill and then click on it10:04
leobloomis it installed by default?10:05
dosnlinuxfor both10:05
hyper_chno one knows?10:08
dosnlinuxhyper_ch, are you asked for a password at all?10:09
hyper_chdosnlinux: nope, just that screen pops up10:10
dosnlinuxwhat's the name of the program?10:11
hyper_chdosnlinux: trying to get into the standard networking tool provided by xfce10:11
hyper_chTheSheep: please help *g*10:12
dosnlinuxno idea what the problem could be, sorry10:14
TheSheephyper_ch: sudo network-admin10:14
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brohanwhat is the partition manager provided by ubuntu?10:43
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dosnlinuxI wasn't able to recreate the problem10:54
dosnlinuxbut I think I know what went wrong10:55
dosnlinuxI misconfigured my nic and the installer was looking online for OO.o packages10:55
leobloomhello I'm back again and wit hanother question =o)10:55
dosnlinuxleobloom, what's your question10:56
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leobloomwhen I install something, I can use the temrinal, add/remove and synaptic, do all of them work well? Does synaptin take all the required libs and stuff by itself or do I have to choose them manually?10:57
dosnlinuxthey should all be the same10:57
leobloomI personally don't like add/remove, the terminal seems the fastest and easiest but just in case...10:57
dosnlinuxjust different faces for the same tool10:57
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leobloomso, for ex, I've installed the vlc via terminal, it has done everyting by itself, what if I wanted to isntall it via synaptic? I've seen there are many files there, does it download themall by default?10:58
dosnlinuxIt should11:00
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leobloomok =o) I was justcurious, I'l try to use the terminal as often as possible though, thanks a lot for this and the other answers too11:01
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Jester45what the default folder for apache11:24
Jester45the website folder11:24
somerville32look @ your apache config :P11:24
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hyper_chback again11:31
hyper_chmy sys was totally wrecked11:32
Jester45sounds fun11:32
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imon9hello...need help in creating ISO image11:43
imon9i want to create an ISO image to mont as CD-ROM for the virtualization program11:43
imon9i tried using xarchiver to create the ISO file (which inside consist of 2 files sizing to 1.9GB) ...i took 1 hour plus and it is not done yet...11:44
imon9i wonder if i am doing something wrong here, since this is my first time making an ISO file11:44
imon9btw, i am running P4, 2.4Ghz, on Xubuntu... cpu doesnt show much usage when xarchiver is "processing" the ISO11:45
imon9anyone can help, please?11:45
imon9why isnt there anyone here?11:47
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jendais xubuntu and the logo a  of Canonical?11:59
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