[12:25] <age6racer> I'm gonna take my chances I think.
[12:26] <somerville32> Plus you have to worry about possible exploits in Wine
[12:26] <Jester45> yes first you have to get them to run then you have give them sudo ablities then somthing might happen
[12:26] <age6racer> But can we try to work out how to run something as sudo/gksudo from a launcher without having a terminal open pls?
[12:26] <maxamillion> Jester45: its not emulation? ... so you are saying wine is a functional installation of windows?
[12:26] <somerville32> maxamillion, Neither.
[12:26] <Jester45> maxamillion: its a layer
[12:27] <somerville32> maxamillion, Wine is the windows api implemented in Linux
[12:27] <maxamillion> Jester45: layer is translation, translation is emulation
[12:27] <age6racer> The Wine developers don't like it being referred to as emulation.
[12:27] <somerville32> maxamillion, Wine is not an emulator, Adam.
[12:27] <Jester45> maxamillion: the wine server pretty much changes the commands from windows to linux
[12:27] <age6racer> But it's easier for people ot get their heads around if you do.
[12:27] <maxamillion> fine ... i
[12:27] <maxamillion> nvm
[12:27] <somerville32> Good boy.
[12:29] <somerville32> age6racer, Please just do as they suggest and modify the permission on the file.
[12:30] <maxamillion> either way, "translation" or "emulation" ... if a windows exploit is executed under wine with the correct permissions then it can exploit your linux system
[12:30] <age6racer> ok then
[12:30] <Jester45> yep but you also have to have it working to get it to break somthing
[12:30] <somerville32> maxamillion, It isn't a translation either
[12:31] <Jester45> somerville32: API layer right?
[12:31] <maxamillion> somerville32: i really don't care ... i don't run windows or its software so the project could bork for all i care
[12:31] <somerville32> Jester45: Yes.
[12:31] <somerville32> Anyhow, I need to do real life stuff.
[12:31] <somerville32> :)
[12:32] <Jester45> i agree with maxamillion untill they get my favorite game working
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> *wave* somerville32
[12:32] <age6racer> How do I make a launcher for terminal? what it the terminal command for the terminal itself?
[12:32] <maxamillion> Jester45: which is?
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, what game is that?
[12:32] <Jester45> lol
[12:32] <maxamillion> age6racer: Terminal ... case sensitive
[12:32] <Jester45> just to be mean im not going to tell
[12:33] <maxamillion> meh, ok
[12:33] <age6racer> ahhh ok thanks
[12:33] <maxamillion> age6racer: np
[12:33] <Jester45> the best thing MS has made
[12:34] <vidd_laptop> no..."virus catcher" was (aka everything they wrote)
[12:34] <maxamillion> an no ... the xbox is the best thing MS has ever made, only thing they ever did right
[12:34] <Jester45> have you heard of google?
[12:35] <Jester45> maxamillion: no freelancer is first then xobox only becuase it has halo
[12:35] <maxamillion> AMEN!!!
[12:36] <Jester45> freelancer is an old game but its still looks really good and is fun to play
[12:36] <vidd_laptop> and it dont run in wine?
[12:36] <maxamillion> Halo:CE ... best fps ever made ... halo2 was alright, and i bought a xbox360 just for halo3 ... also reserved a copy of halo3:legendary edition at ebgames :)
[12:37] <Jester45> maxamillion: im going ot get a 360 just for halo 3
[12:37] <Jester45> then im going to get ps3 i hate the wii
[12:37] <Jester45> i dont want get tired of playing a game
[12:38] <somerville32> :)
[12:38] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, you mean ya want to get tire OF a game...not FROM a game?
[12:39] <Jester45> yes from not of
[12:41] <__mikem> How do I change the background for xfce panel
[12:41] <maxamillion> i will admit that wine is a good project and will help alot of people make the migration to linux
[12:42] <Jester45> maxamillion: it is it just needs to work better people that love windows and cant let go of parts of it dont want to search if the program works or not
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> what we NEED to do is get vender buy-in
[12:43] <__mikem> Does anyone know how to change the background for xfce-panel
[12:44] <vidd_laptop> convince the game makers to be compatable with wine as well as M$
[12:44] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah ... the project is OLD too, they have come a long way, i remember 5 years ago when i spent an hour hacking at things to get starcraft to run on wine because my friends wanted to have a SC lan
[12:44] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: never gonna happen
[12:44] <maxamillion> __mikem: do you want to actually change the colors of the panel?
[12:44] <__mikem> no I want to add a background picture to the panel
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> __mikem, /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/
[12:45] <Jester45> maxamillion: or dual boot
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> that is the folder you need to add your pic too....
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> then right-click on desktop
[12:45] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah ... lol, but i don't have a copy of windows ... used to have a bootleg copy of win2kpro but i lost it :/
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> desktop settings
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, if ya WANT i can dcc ya an ISO
[12:46] <__mikem> um, no vidd_laptop, I want to change the background for xfce-panel, not xfdesktop
[12:46] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: naw, i deal with enough windows at work ... thanks though
[12:47] <somerville32> Can you please take the offtopic chatter to -offtopic?
[12:47] <vidd_laptop> __mikem, oh...i dont know if you can
[12:48] <somerville32> __mikem: It is currently not possible. However, you can set the transparency of the panels in Edgy and Feisty.
[12:52] <cellofel1ow> somerville32: I'm still installing feisty with QEMU. QEMU's been running at 100% CPU for 14 hours now. (I did install kQEMU accelerator.)
[12:54] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i don't think that's right
[12:54] <cellofellow> what?
[12:54] <maxamillion> cellofellow: 14 hours of 100% cpu
[12:54] <cellofellow> I'm installing on a real hard drive. Will boot with grub.
[12:54] <maxamillion> rgr
[12:55] <cellofellow> it's taking it's bloody time. It's an emulator, and a second-rate emulator at that.
[12:55] <somerville32> Ok
[12:55] <somerville32> Well, gotta do real life stuff now
[12:55] <somerville32> lol
[12:55] <cellofellow> not 100% the whole time, just most.
[12:55] <cellofellow> firefox likes to steal some.
[12:56] <maxamillion> ah ... rgr
[01:02] <__mikem> Is it posible to make the one of the panels transparent?
[01:02] <cellofellow> Not even KDE gave me that much control
[01:03] <chris_> ok if I have installed beep media player
[01:04] <chris_> can I uninstall gxine?
[01:04] <chris_> if I try it says it wants to remove xubuntu desktop too
[01:05] <vidd_laptop>   chris_ yes
[01:05] <vidd_laptop> removing xubuntu-desktop is harmless
[01:05] <somerville32> Not exactly
[01:05] <vidd_laptop> it is a meta package that does not do anything, but required the default setup
[01:06] <chris_> well all I'm saying is I don't need 2 media players
[01:06] <chris_> so if it is going to be a real hassle to get rid of the one I don't use I'll leave it
[01:06] <vidd_laptop> somerville32, what harm is there of removing xubuntu-desktop?
[01:06] <chris_> otherwise if there is a proper way of doing things tell me how please
[01:07] <cellofellow> depends on how xubuntu-desktop was installed whether it's harmless or not.
[01:07] <vidd_laptop> chris_, it is nothing to worry about
[01:07] <vidd_laptop> you can uninstall the xubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <chris_> I installed a command interface by itself first from the alternate install cd
[01:08] <chris_> then I installed xubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <vidd_laptop> apt-get or aptitude?
[01:08] <age6racer> hey all. Does anyone know how to add sub-menu's and launchers to the xfce-menu
[01:08] <chris_> apt-get I believe
[01:09] <cellofellow> then you're allright.
[01:09] <cellofellow> age6racer: right click it, and then Edit Menu. You can move the seperators around to make things look more together.
[01:09] <chris_> ok to get rid of it?
[01:10] <chris_> I'll try it then
[01:10] <vidd_laptop> chris_, yes
[01:10] <age6racer> it doesn't list all the applications though. there's nothing in it?
[01:11] <cellofellow> I don't think the base 15MB system is usable. Not even nano or vi.
[01:11] <cellofellow> ooops
[01:11] <cellofellow> wrong window
[01:12] <cellofellow> age6racer: it imports the system menu. that's it.
[01:12] <chris_> now how do I associate my music files with beep media player?
[01:12] <Jester45> lol
[01:12] <chris_> I figured it out
[01:12] <age6racer> where do i find the config file for the system menu?
[01:12] <cellofellow> right click, open with, choose BMP, and check the always open with box. (In Thunar.) That's the quick ugly way.
[01:14] <chris_> how do I kill something?
[01:14] <chris_> sorry but I'm sort of new to linux
[01:14] <cellofellow> kill pid, or killall command
[01:15] <cellofellow> or you can use top. htop is better.
[01:15] <cellofellow> (htop isn't installed by default yet.)
[01:15] <chris_> I'm in graphics mode right now
[01:15] <cellofellow> wb maxamillion
[01:15] <chris_> and how do I find the pid?
[01:15] <cellofellow> terminal is still available
[01:15] <chris_> ctrl+alt+f1?
[01:15] <cellofellow> process manager in Apps -> System should work.
[01:17] <chris_> ok thanks
[01:29] <chris_> I'm having the hardest time getting foxytunes to find my player
[01:30] <chris_> anyone know where I find the firefox profiles folder?
[01:30] <maxamillion> chris_: profiles or preferences?
[01:31] <chris_> I think I want profile
[01:31] <cellofellow> it's ~/.mozilla/Firefox
[01:31] <maxamillion> i think somewhere in /usr/share/firefox/
[01:31] <cellofellow> for the profile prefs
[01:31] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i thought that was prefernces?
[01:32] <chris_> oh nevermind
[01:32] <cellofellow> profiles are sets of preferences
[01:32] <maxamillion> meh ... i dunno that much about firefox, nvm me
[01:32] <chris_> I guess what I need to do is create a symbolic link
[01:32] <chris_> ln -s /usr/lib/libbeep.so.2.0.0 /usr/lib/libxmms.so
[01:32] <chris_> "On some systems you will have to create a symbolic link from libbeep dynamic library to libxmms."
[01:33] <cellofellow> create a symlink to beep called xmms in /usr/local/bin
[01:33] <chris_> ok I know what I have to do but not how
[01:34] <cellofellow> /usr/local/bin takes preference over /usr/bin
[01:35] <chris_> oh I navigated to /usr/local/bin in thunar
[01:35] <chris_> now what?
[01:37] <cellofellow> oh, use ln. try ln -s /usr/bin/beep /usr/local/bin/xmms
[01:37] <cellofellow> the command xmms runs beep
[01:37] <chris_> not sure what you mean exactly
[01:37] <chris_> never made one of these links before
[01:38] <chris_> I'm a noob
[01:38] <chris_> what is ln?
[01:38] <cellofellow> ln meens link
[01:39] <cellofellow> just add sudo to that command, but replace /usr/bin/beep with whatever the command really is.
[01:39] <chris_> so I need to do ctrl+alt+f1 to get the command line first?
[01:40] <cellodinner> apps -> system -> terminal
[01:40] <bradley> does anyone know where i can find the specifics of xubuntu feisty's features?
[01:42] <chris_> not really. google?
[01:42] <maxamillion> bradley: errr ... actually i am falling behind, i was supposed to write that yesterday and put it on our website
[01:42] <maxamillion> sorry
[01:42] <maxamillion> bradley: lemme try to find a basic specification outline though
[01:44] <bradley> maxamillion, no worries, it would be great to see anything i can... i am getting pretty excited about it.
[01:45] <maxamillion> bradley: here is the specifications nav page on the wiki for feisty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty
[01:46] <maxamillion> bradley: the wish list is a pretty good thing to read, i don't know for sure how much of it will be implemented but to my knowledge that is what is being attempted to be added
[01:46] <bradley> i'm checking it out now...
[01:47] <maxamillion> :)
[01:48] <maxamillion> bradley: check out the Welcome Center too ... that is something I am personally proud of because i was a part of it, granted i wasn't able to code any of it because i hadn't learned python at the time of its creation, but if we ever need to add anything to it .... i'm on it ;)
[01:48] <chris_> I can't even find libxmms.so
[01:48] <bradley> where do i check out the Welcome Center?
[01:49] <maxamillion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter
[01:50] <maxamillion> bradley: ^^^ there is a link for a screenshot too, that was early development so it doesn't have any content ... but the wiki that screenshot is hosted on is made to look like the welcome center and has all the documentation that will be included posted on it
[01:50] <__mikem> how do I view an smb share in xfce
[01:51] <maxamillion> __mikem: takes some trickery to be honest ... another thing that will be added to feisty
[01:51] <__mikem> I know I can use smbmount, but I forget how to
[01:52] <maxamillion> __mikem: man smbmount <--- in the Terminal
[01:58] <noalternative> Why does thunar open twice when I click file manager?
[01:58] <Jester45> are you double clicking?
[01:58] <noalternative> no
[01:59] <Jester45> bye bye all but dont worry i will be back in a couple of hours
[01:59] <noalternative> I right click to open the applications menu and when i click file-manager the applciations menu closes so it seems impossible to double click.
[01:59] <noalternative> I am using xubuntu dapper.
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> have you downloaded all the updates?
[02:01] <noalternative> I have used apt-get update.
[02:02] <noalternative> also my version of xubuntu was upgraded from breezy to dapper, so that would have updated everything. I think?
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> not sure
[02:04] <noalternative> should I use update-manager?
[02:04] <vidd_laptop> i would
[02:04] <noalternative> yes, but it didn't come in a specific distro.
[02:04] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: don't think there is, but there was the xubuntu meta package at the time ... just not a released sub distro (iirc)
[02:05] <vidd_laptop> ic
[02:05] <noalternative> You had to use the ubuntu breezy disks to do a network install then install xubuntu_desktop with apt.
[02:05] <maxamillion> noalternative: i will warn that if you use update-manager to get from a previous release to edgy, it will probably fail ... there is a known critical bug that i don't think is fixed yet
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> you would be better advised to svae your data and do a clean install to edgy
[02:06] <noalternative> I got them a year ago, but was using feather linux at the time.
[02:07] <noalternative> can you use update manager to just update within dapper?
[02:07] <maxamillion> noalternative: not sure, never used it ... to update within dapper i just do "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade"
[02:08] <noalternative> this works almost perfectly but for that one thing, so I don't want to wipe everything out over the thunar glitch.
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, you remember that glitch with thunar opening 2 times?
[02:09] <ron_o> vidd_laptop -  I thought that was me doing that!
[02:09] <ron_o> damn.
[02:09] <noalternative> I also am not keen to install edgy given the long term support offered to dapper users.
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> noalternative, i dont blame you
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/page/2/
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> i KNEW i read about a glitch
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> ill pastebin it....
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> !pastebin
[02:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1640/
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> it is because of the "save session" thing
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> noalternative, ron_o http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1640/
[02:15] <chris_> I guess foxytunes is failing because I have 64 bit xubuntu
[02:16] <noalternative> thanks vid
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> noalternative, np
[02:19] <chris_> oh well it isn't essential
[02:21] <Shaezsche> i issued the command "sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/xfce4-panel" and now when i login my panel doesnt show up. how can i set it back to what it was originally
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> chmod +s?
[02:22] <Shaezsche> yea
[02:22] <Shaezsche> suid
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> ah
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> give me a sec
[02:23] <Shaezsche> cant i -s or something simple
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> try that first
[02:25] <maxamillion> apparently gnash+youtube=flashplayer just sitting there
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> doesnt adobe own youtube?
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> Shaezsche, it work for you?
[02:28] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: no .. google just bought youtube
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> hmmm works for me
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> oh yeah...i have adobe
[02:29] <maxamillion> i don't do adobe, their software is awesome but horribly slow
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> is anyone working on a shockwave player for linux?
[02:29] <maxamillion> i get annoyed with slow
[02:29] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i thought shockwave went out of business a long time ago
[02:30] <vidd_laptop> there are STILL sites that insist on using it
[02:30] <Shaezsche> i cant try it atm
[02:51] <Jester45> how do you make isos from a cd/dvd
[02:54] <Jester45> i remember now
[03:30] <cellofellow> why is it that in htop, qemu's time is 15h+, while X's time is only barely 1h, while has been running for much longer than qemu?
[03:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's cpu time, not regular time.
[03:31] <cellofellow> what's CPU time then?
[03:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The amount of the cpu's time it's taken.
[03:31] <TheSheep> cellofellow: the time that cpu spent executing this process's commands
[03:32] <cellofellow> ok. so X has been mostly idle for these many hours, while qemu has been chugging away at high speed.
[03:32] <TheSheep> bingo
[03:34] <cellofellow> so, what's load average?
[03:34] <cellofellow> mine's at about 1.5
[03:36] <cellofellow> hi
[03:37] <TheSheep> cellofellow: load average is the <number of system calls waiting>/<number of systems calls actually executed>
[03:38] <cellofellow> ok
[03:39] <TheSheep> cellofellow: system calls are things like disk access, graphics card access, etc.
[03:40] <cellofellow> yay! my qemu installation of feisty is almost done after just shy of 16 hours of CPU time. Prolly 18-19h of real time.
[03:41] <cellofellow> now it's done. just need to add it to grub
[03:43] <TheSheep> cellofellow: cpu it can get weird if you have mutliple cpus or cores :)
[03:44] <TheSheep> cellofellow: my university project used to use at least 16x more cpu time than wallclock time ;)
[03:45] <cellofellow> that makes sense. multicore, multiply time by cores. (sort of)
[03:52] <cellofellow> now, in grub, hdb1 == (hd1,0) right?
[04:25] <Jester45> when i try to change some settings i get the error:The configuration could not be loaded you are not allowed to access the system configuration
[04:25] <Jester45> anyone know what this happens it does this b4 i can give the password
[04:27] <Jester45> i know it happens when i try to look at the start up services menu->system->services
[04:29] <Jester45> hey cellofellow
[04:29] <cellofellow> hey, I've just install Feisty, and X isn't working. I have an Nvidia TNT2 which used the nvidia-glx-legacy driver in Dapper and Edgy, but I can't find it in Feisty. NV not working either.
[04:29] <Jester45> wanna help me  with somthing
[04:29] <cellofellow> I need help. :)
[04:29] <cellofellow> but, sure, if it's simple.
[04:29] <Jester45> lol
[04:30] <Jester45> when i try to change some settings i get the error:The configuration could not be loaded you are not allowed to access the system configuration
[04:30] <Jester45> anyone know what this happens it does this b4 i can give the password
[04:30] <cellofellow> are you superuser?
[04:30] <Jester45> i know it happens when i try to look at the start up services menu->system->services
[04:30] <Jester45> no but it doesnt ask me for pass
[04:30] <Jester45> this open happens when i use the menu
[04:30] <cellofellow> that launcher should use gksudo, if it doesn't, fix it.
[04:31] <cellofellow> Feisty Xorg. Anybody?
[04:31] <Jester45> its not launcher its part of the xfce menu
[04:31] <cellofellow> that's a launcher, a .desktop file, somewhere in /usr/share/applications
[04:32] <Jester45> o and cellofellow whats the diffirence between Xfree86 and xorg
[04:32] <Jester45> strange  i didnt mess with that stuff
[04:32] <cellofellow> Xorg is a fork of Xfree86.
[04:32] <cellofellow> with new features.
[04:32] <Jester45> is one faster?
[04:32] <cellofellow> Xorg is I think.
[04:32] <cellofellow> supports more drivers I know.
[04:32] <cellofellow> and compositing.
[04:32] <Jester45> so free86 is older
[04:32] <cellofellow> yes.
[04:32] <Jester45> o
[04:33] <Jester45> k
[04:33] <cellofellow> !info nvidia-glx-legacy feisty
[04:33] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+2.6.20.1-6 (feisty), package size 2991 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[04:33] <cellofellow> multiverse, of course.
[04:35] <Jester45> cellofellow: whats in the .desktop file that would be stoping me
[04:35] <Jester45> normal things ask for the password but now it gives that error
[04:36] <cellofellow> Jester45: the exec line should say gksu command cause that needs to run as superuser.
[04:36] <Jester45> ok it says Exec=network-admin
[04:37] <Jester45> i need to add gksu
[04:37] <Jester45> ok well this gonna take time
[04:37] <cellofellow> drat
[04:37] <cellofellow> I can't find the legacy driver
[04:38] <Jester45> cant you install old version from edgy
[04:38] <cellofellow> not good idea. Edgy has Linux 2.6.17, Feisty has Linux 2.6.20
[04:39] <cellofellow> I wish just good old nv would work.
[04:39] <Jester45> o
[04:41] <cellofellow> yeah, x works now
[04:43] <Jester45> thanks mine works also
[04:44] <cellofellow> had problems with screen
[04:44] <cellofellow> I'm back now.
[04:46] <cellofellow> !info feisty vlc
[04:46] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in edgy
[04:46] <cellofellow> !info vlc feisty
[04:46] <Jester45> haha
[04:46] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[04:47] <cellofellow> it isn't downloading
[04:47] <crimsun> what isn't?
[04:47] <Jester45> vlc for fiesty
[04:47] <cellofellow> vlc. It's not there. I have universe and multiverse enabled.
[04:48] <cellofellow> never mind. spelling error in sources.list
[04:48] <crimsun> never tell a package maintainer that his package is "not there"
[04:48] <cellofellow> oh, sorry. I didn't know you maintained that.
[04:48] <somerville32> lol
[04:49] <Jester45> wow no wonder why i have problems with vlc :)
[04:49] <crimsun> I'm joking, but yes, I do most of the maintenance work on that package.
[04:49] <Jester45> crimsun: do you know why the ati drivers in the repos are so old
[04:49] <cellofellow> I love VLC and love the windows version and use it for streaming across the lan. It's called VideoLAN Client isn't it?
[04:49] <crimsun> cellofellow: yes
[04:50] <Jester45> they did just get updated but not to the current
[04:50] <crimsun> Jester45: I don't maintain l-r-m, so I don't know offhand
[04:50] <cellofellow> crimsun: that was a retorical question. :)
[04:50] <crimsun> this might be a rhetorical answer ;)
[04:51] <cellofellow> ooops. I figured I misspelled that.
[04:52] <Jester45> humm
[04:52] <Jester45> converting 8 dvds takes a bit of time
[04:52] <cellofellow> what with? I've tried using VLC for that.
[04:53] <Jester45> acidrip
[04:53] <Jester45> frontend to mencoder
[04:53] <Jester45> my harddrive is going bonkers
[04:54] <Torist> can someone help me setup postfix
[04:54] <Jester45> accessing that much data plus im using azureus and its going pretty fast
[04:54] <Torist> or any other email server when they get a chance
[04:54] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[04:54] <somerville32> Hello! :)
[04:54] <kalikiana> hi
[04:54] <somerville32> !hi
[04:54] <Torist> hey every1
[04:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[04:54] <Torist> thanx
[04:54] <spasticteapot> Can anyone help me install Xubuntu off of a USB hard drive?
[04:55] <Jester45> spasticteapot: how big is it
[04:55] <spasticteapot> I have a laptop that won't accept my PCMCIA CD-ROM drive as a boot device.
[04:55] <cellofellow> 8$
[04:55] <spasticteapot> There's...23.5GB of free space.
[04:55] <Jester45> o boot from then drive
[04:55] <spasticteapot> How?
[04:55] <Jester45> i thought you ment install to
[04:55] <spasticteapot> No, I need to use the hard drive in place of a CD-ROM drive.
[04:56] <cellofellow> I just used QEMU to install Feisty from an ISO image. Took 16 hours of CPU time, about 18 real time.
[04:56] <cellofellow> that won't work.
[04:56] <spasticteapot> QEMU?
[04:56] <spasticteapot> Feisty?
[04:56] <spasticteapot> There's a new Ubuntu already?
[04:56] <cellofellow> it's an emulator
[04:56] <cellofellow> !feisty
[04:56] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:56] <Jester45> and in devolopment
[04:56] <cellofellow> not till April, thus it's 7.04
[04:56] <cellofellow> I'm testing the ISO and I really want Linux 2.6.20
[04:57] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[04:57] <crimsun> we're only at 2.6.20-rc5
[04:57] <spasticteapot> All I know is that they're mad for not including a GUI wifi manager.
[04:57] <cellofellow> it should have usbvision working though, I hope.
[04:57] <cellofellow> Wifi Radar please!
[04:57] <spasticteapot> Yes!
[04:57] <spasticteapot> I'll take just about anything, though.
[04:58] <cellofellow> What would it take to get Radar in main?
[04:58] <spasticteapot> The problem is that often you don't have access to a wired connection, so you can't download it from a repository unless you can connect to wifi.
[04:58] <Torist> can someone PM me on how to setup an email server on xubuntu?
[04:58] <Torist> step by step
[04:58] <spasticteapot> Of course, configuring wifi from the command line is a huge, huge, huge headache.
[04:58] <spasticteapot> Aynway...
[04:59] <Jester45> Torist: try installing a server then man <servername>
[04:59] <cellofellow> I tried to get Wifi Radar working on Ubuntu Edgy LiveDVD today, and it wouldn't let me put my WEP key in.
[04:59] <Torist> ok, i tried all the mans online
[04:59] <Torist> no help, they were too complicated
[04:59] <somerville32> Torist: Try #ubuntu-server
[04:59] <cellofellow> manpages are like that.
[04:59] <Torist> is there any email program that has a GUI
[04:59] <Torist> that anyone knows about
[04:59] <Torist> oh
[04:59] <Torist> ok, i'll try ubuntu-server
[04:59] <Torist> thanks
[04:59] <spasticteapot> Mozilla Thunderbird?
[05:00] <Torist> thats client only
[05:00] <Torist> no server
[05:00] <cellofellow> there may be python or perl-based gui configurators for the conf files.
[05:00] <Torist> thanks though anyway spasticteapot
[05:00] <cellofellow> like apache
[05:00] <Torist> i'll check w/ the server ppl
[05:00] <Torist> got apache up on my own
[05:00] <Torist> i'll move to the server room, thanks
[05:01] <spasticteapot> So...does anyone know how to install Xubuntu off of a USB hard drive?
[05:01] <cellofellow> you could put thec ISO on there are use QEMU, but that would take all day. And you would have to use the alt CD, not Live.
[05:02] <spasticteapot> ..pass.
[05:02] <Jester45> pop harddrive out and install on a diffrent computer?
[05:02] <cellofellow> what are some of the non-cd ways of insatlling Ubuntu? What about Debian net-install. can that be hacked into downloading ubuntu?
[05:03] <cellofellow> That would be easiest
[05:03] <spasticteapot> No good - it's a 1.8" super-micro-sized IBM hard drive.
[05:03] <spasticteapot> Completely incompatible with anything.
[05:03] <cellofellow> lappy?
[05:03] <spasticteapot> Bingo.
[05:03] <spasticteapot> IBM X40.
[05:03] <spasticteapot> Great laptop.
[05:03] <cellofellow> :(
[05:03] <spasticteapot> Refuses to boot off of anything,though.
[05:03] <spasticteapot> What's wrong with a laptop?
[05:03] <spasticteapot> Thinkpads have good Linux support.
[05:04] <cellofellow> no, just trying to think about ways to install on there. You sure it won't boot from CD?
[05:05] <spasticteapot> The X40 has no internal optical drive.
[05:05] <spasticteapot> It's why it's so bloody small.
[05:06] <crimsun> netboot it
[05:06] <cellofellow> will it boot from USB? Like maybe DSL on USB Thumbdrive.
[05:06] <cellofellow> yeah, or set up a terminal server. :)
[05:06] <crimsun> yes, it will, but if he doesn't have a usb device, it's moot
[05:06] <cellofellow> same thing
[05:06] <spasticteapot> I have a USB hard drive.
[05:06] <spasticteapot> It's the only thing it even recognizes.
[05:06] <crimsun> I netbooted my X41 with 5.04
[05:07] <spasticteapot> What I want to know is if I can get the hard drive to act as a CD-ROM drive.
[05:07] <cellofellow> crimsun: you're gonna have to tell him how. I've no idea how to set up a terminal server.
[05:07] <Torist> can someone give me the room for ubuntu server stuff again?
[05:07] <cellofellow> best bet is to get the nic to work as hard drive.
[05:07] <Torist> i can't seem to find it on the channel lists
[05:07] <Jester45> cellofellow: use the alt cd and dont pick the first option
[05:07] <cellofellow> #ubuntu-server is what somerville32 said
[05:07] <spasticteapot> Alt CD?
[05:07] <crimsun> spasticteapot: you can certainly boot off a usb drive at a higher priority over your onboard
[05:08] <spasticteapot> Booting off the USB hard drive is easy - it's installing from it that's hard.
[05:08] <Torist> there is no such room "ubuntu-server"
[05:08] <cellofellow> Jester45: I saw the LTSP option, but I don't think he wants to reinstall on another box just to get LTSP.
[05:08] <Torist> there is an "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:08] <spasticteapot> ?
[05:08] <cellofellow> somerville32: where can Torist get to a server room?
[05:08] <Jester45> Torist: ask in #ubuntu
[05:08] <Torist> ok, thanks
[05:09] <Jester45> problem solved
[05:09] <crimsun> 3:09 -!- Topic for #ubuntu-server: Ubuntu Server *development* discussion |
[05:09] <crimsun>           general support -> #ubuntu
[05:10] <Jester45> oo i bet i know what he did
[05:10] <Jester45> he did /join channel no #
[05:10] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[05:11] <spasticteapot> I wish I had an effing CD-ROM drive right about now.
[05:11] <Jester45> whould anyone here like to teach me some programing language
[05:11] <spasticteapot> ....that's a tall order.
[05:11] <spasticteapot> Perhaps you should ask someone else that?
[05:11] <spasticteapot> Like your local university?
[05:11] <cellofellow> Jester45: I have lots of books on C, Java, Python, and Ruby.
[05:12] <Jester45> cellofellow: E-books or the much funner regualr books
[05:12] <cellofellow> ebooks
[05:12] <cellofellow> on DVD
[05:12] <cellofellow> 2GB of them
[05:12] <spasticteapot> That's a lot of books.
[05:12] <Jester45> dcc them?
[05:12] <cellofellow> not all of them
[05:12] <cellofellow> but let me look through a list
[05:12] <Jester45> :(
[05:12] <Jester45> whats your upload rate?
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Changing topic...so, is there a way I can do this?
[05:13] <cellofellow> ~256KBps
[05:13] <Jester45> k
[05:13] <Jester45> spasticteapot: do you have a 2nd cmoputer?
[05:13] <cellofellow> spasticteapot: like crimsun said, use network boot.
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Yah.
[05:13] <Jester45> cellofellow: wanna to go -offtopic
[05:13] <spasticteapot> How do I do that?
[05:14] <spasticteapot> And, more specifically, do I need Linux installed on the second PC?
[05:14] <Jester45> do what
[05:14] <spasticteapot> Network boot.
[05:14] <Jester45> no
[05:14] <Jester45> you have a little but of linux and boot it then install from the internet all the rest
[05:15] <Jester45> bit*
[05:15] <cellofellow> Jester45: C, Java, Python, TCL/TK, shell, MySQP, CSS, JavaScript, and HTML books.
[05:15] <Jester45> well i know html
[05:15] <Jester45> java to slow
[05:15] <cellofellow> just a list
[05:15] <cellofellow> Python is fun
[05:16] <Jester45> thats what i was thinking
[05:16] <cellofellow> I'll send you the one I'm reading.
[05:16] <spasticteapot> Er...so then how to I do it?
[05:16] <Jester45> spasticteapot: im not sure i just know the main idea behind it
[05:16] <Jester45> spasticteapot: try google its knows all
[05:17] <Jester45> cellofellow: how have a beginner python
[05:17] <Jester45> how about*
[05:18] <cellofellow> I have several. Yes, I'm still beginning.
[05:18] <cellofellow> one second...
[05:18] <Jester45> yey we can work together
[05:18] <Jester45> i read it you do it k?
[05:18] <cellofellow> haha
[05:19] <Jester45> i read fast
[05:19] <cellofellow> Jester45: /dcc get
[05:19] <Jester45> not often but fast
[05:20] <Jester45> hehe silly cellofellow i use gaim
[05:20] <Jester45> it pops up a accept/denie thing
[05:21] <cellofellow> reading ebooks is sort of hard.
[05:21] <Jester45> come on cellofellow close your downlaods :)
[05:21] <Jester45> yeps
[05:22] <Jester45> no pages to turn
[05:22] <cellofellow> sorry, that book 15MB and it's going as fast as it can.
[05:22] <Jester45> hehe 13.26mb on my end
[05:22] <Jester45> its ok its not dail up speed
[05:22] <cellofellow> crimsun: is /dev/dsp the input on my soudcard by default.
[05:23] <crimsun> cellofellow: only for oss emulation.
[05:24] <cellofellow> hmm. what would the input device on my soundcard be? I'm trying to use VLC and V4L to digitize videotapes.
[05:24] <Jester45> crimsun: how do you know so much
[05:24] <cellofellow> Jester45: he's a lot older than you. ;)
[05:25] <cellofellow> crimsun: ?
[05:27] <crimsun> cellofellow: default, or hw:0,0 if you must specify an explicit alsa device
[05:27] <cellofellow> so, /dev/dsp will work?
[05:29] <Jester45> humm
[05:30] <crimsun> you don't want to use /dev/dsp unless you _have_ to
[05:30] <Jester45> thats sweet
[05:30] <crimsun> that's the oss-emulated device
[05:30] <Jester45> im encoding my dvds at allmost real time
[05:30] <cellofellow> what's a good video editor? Preferably lightweight, and not pro quality, mostly some clean-up and cutting.
[05:31] <cellofellow> crimsun: ok. when I open the Video4Linux tab in vlc, the default video device is /dev/video, which I changed to /dev/video0, and the default audio input device was /dev/dsp
[05:31] <crimsun> you don't have a /dev/video symlink?
[05:32] <cellofellow> oh, and good codec support for the video editor. I want to be able to DVD and YouTube the videos.
[05:32] <cellofellow> maybe...
[05:32] <Jester45> oo
[05:32] <Jester45> the transfer is done :)
[05:33] <cellofellow> no, no /dev/video, just /dev/video0
[05:33] <cellofellow> yeah, it is low quality, but it works on my computer with Gnash and semi-sow internet.
[05:33] <cellofellow> semi-slow
[05:34] <cellofellow> crimsun: so, what do I put in the Video4Linux tab for audio in?
[05:37] <Jester45> google video is a bit better
[05:37] <cellofellow> same company.
[05:38] <cellofellow> so, competition isn't there.
[05:51] <Jester45> im going
[06:18] <cellofellow> hmph. The family is watching TV so I can't test my video capture device. (We've only one VCR.)
[06:44] <_3oo3> hello hello!  I'm considering using an ubuntu install, and I'm used to running openSUSE with gnome.  What would be major differences between opensuse/gnome and xubuntu?
[06:44] <_3oo3> (also not familiar with the xfce environ, so I may need breifed about that as well)
[06:45] <Schijnn> Are there any 3rd-party repos with more recent versions of packages than the official ones?
[06:46] <_3oo3> also, what's the difference between 'Edgy Eft' and 'Dapper Drake'?
[06:48] <Schijnn> _3oo3: Edgy Eft is newer
[06:48] <cius> _3oo3 Edgy is the latest release, Dapper is the next to latest release, aka the 'long term service' release.
[06:50] <maxamillion> _3oo3: the main differences will be xfce4 vs. gnome ... its a much more simplistic environment, it has all the features you need, none you don't and isn't redundant ... i recommend downloading the 6.10 edgy "desktop" cd which is a live cd and you can try it out before deciding if you would like to install it
[07:18] <cellofellow> What would the device file be for my line-in sound?
[07:19] <maxamillion> cellofellow: no clue :(
[07:21] <cellofellow> uhgg. I got the video working, but now no audio.
[07:25] <cellofellow> wow. ok, that worked.
[07:25] <cellofellow> switched from line in to mic in, and bingo.
[07:27] <maxamillion> nice
[07:28] <cellofellow> in audacity, not a video player.
[07:28] <maxamillion> ahhhh ok
[07:29] <cellofellow> so, audio capture in audacity works, video watching in XawTV works. Now I really need a program that will capture and save both.
[07:29] <maxamillion> cinerella maybe?
[07:29] <cellofellow> hmm. maybe
[07:29] <cellofellow> !cinerella
[07:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cinerella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:29] <cellofellow> !info cinerella
[07:29] <ubotu> Package cinerella does not exist in any distro I know
[07:30] <cellofellow> :(
[07:30] <cellofellow> can't find it.
[07:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i dunno .. it was a program in elive
[07:31] <Schijnn> it's cinelerra or cinelarra
[07:31] <Schijnn> !info cinelerra
[07:31] <ubotu> Package cinelerra does not exist in any distro I know
[07:31] <Schijnn> !info cinelarra
[07:31] <ubotu> Package cinelarra does not exist in any distro I know
[07:31] <maxamillion> lemme find the actual program name
[07:32] <Schijnn> !info cinellara
[07:32] <ubotu> Package cinellara does not exist in any distro I know
[07:32] <cellofellow> ok, I've got video coming in on /dev/video0 and audio on ALSA device hw:0,3
[07:34] <maxamillion> !cinelera
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cinelera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <cellofellow> It'd be nice to have the audio capture and edit, and video capture and edit all in one app. If not, then I think I can manage capturing them seperatly and maybe possibly mix them in another app, I still need a video capturer.
[07:37] <maxamillion> apparently its the most kept secret ... i can't find anything about it on google other than some mentions of it in forums
[07:39] <cellofellow> what about a v4l2mpeg or v4l2avi program of some sort. I tried VLC and it balked. MPlayer doesn't even pretend to support V4L. A command-line capture program would be fine. Seeing as the video device doesn't support audio at all, at least when using component, I need something that can handle seperate devices, ALSA devices.
[07:47] <cellofellow> well it's good-night time
[07:47] <cellofellow> laters
[11:44] <mike_aji> hi
[11:47] <mike_aji> could anyone help me with the update manager? i would like to automatically check once a day the available updates and to have some kind of notification in the upper panel is there are any. how could i do that?
[12:26] <grazie> Can anyone tell me how to check whether my isp is blocking certain ports?
[12:27] <TheSheep> grazie: use nmap
[12:34] <grazie> TheSheep: thanks
[12:40] <galorin> I've just instaled xubuntu and got my wireless working following a howto from the ubuntu forums.  It's a rt61 chip, and with this being a laptop, I'd like to be able to use it out and about.  How can I get scanning to work?
[01:59] <LinLapApex> hey fellas
[02:47] <dag_dg> anybody got a good embedded multimedia plugin for the xfce version of firefox? I can't get mozilla-plugin-mplayer to be recognized, and vlc's plugin works, with no sound
[02:47] <dag_dg> totem fails as well
[03:19] <dag_dg> mplayer on xubuntu? anybody? (not kmplayer)
[03:23] <apokryphos> ubotu: mplayer
[03:23] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[03:23] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[03:27] <dag_dg> I tried compiling her, she won't compile
[03:33] <apokryphos> dag_dg: why not install it from the repos?
[03:33] <dag_dg> she's not in the xubuntu repos
[03:33] <apokryphos> she is indeed
[03:34] <dag_dg> I've enabled restricted, universe, and multiverse
[03:34] <apokryphos> see the link above for instructions
[03:34] <dag_dg> kmplayer's there
[03:34] <dag_dg> not mplayer
[03:34] <apokryphos> ubotu: info mplayer
[03:34] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB
[03:34] <apokryphos> :)
[03:34] <dag_dg> I need the mozilla mplayer plugin
[03:34] <apokryphos> you can't have multiverse enabled
[03:34] <apokryphos> kmplayer is in Universe
[03:35] <apokryphos> ubotu: info mplayer-mozilla
[03:35] <ubotu> Package mplayer-mozilla does not exist in any distro I know
[03:35] <apokryphos> ubotu: info mozilla-mplayer
[03:35] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB
[03:37] <grazie> apokryphos: I've installed mplayer and gmplayer and the plugin no problems
[03:37] <grazie> apokryphos: Look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[03:38] <apokryphos> grazie: I know where they are, it was dag_dg wondering
[03:38] <apokryphos> and it's covered on the Ubuntu wiki
[03:38] <grazie> apokryphos: sorry!
[03:38] <apokryphos> no worries ;-)
[03:38] <dag_dg> kk, my multiverse was spelled multi-verse
[03:39] <grazie> dag_dg: Look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[03:42] <dag_dg> gah, just new to xubuntu. My synaptic isn't even showing, so I have to sudo aptitude it
[03:44] <dag_dg> how do I reinstall the synaptic package manager? I mean, what package is the synaptic package manager?
[03:47] <dag_dg> eyah, I'm getting dependency problems when trying to install mplayer
[05:00] <fontpd> I installed a command line screenshot utility a while back, but can't remember the name. Does anybody know what the name of it is ?
[05:09] <Jester45> whats a good python interpreter?
[05:14] <Jester45> nevermind i got it
[05:30] <fontpd> everybody has today off from irc, i see
[05:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You can view installation history in /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:52] <icheyne> how come my PC cannot shut down in Xubuntu? It hangs at the progress bar screen with the black mouse - with the progress bar 100% complete
[06:53] <cellofellow> 'cuse me, but why isn't there an nviidia-glx-legacy driver for 2.6.20 in Feisty? I tried to install it but it was going to install 2.6.17 and I need 2.6.20.
[06:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info nvidia-glx-legacy feisty
[06:58] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+2.6.20.1-6 (feisty), package size 2991 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[06:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I see it there.  Your mirror might not have it.
[07:00] <cellofellow> well, apt was downloading 2.6.17 cause that was a dependancy.
[07:03] <icheyne> I found the answer to my problem I think. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288735&page=2&highlight=xubuntu. I'll try it tonight.
[07:30] <dosnlinux> can I edit config files if I use xubuntu, or do I have to use a special tool?
[07:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Editing config files works.
[07:31] <dosnlinux> yay! With Suse I had to do everything through Yast :P
[07:32] <dosnlinux> I heard rumors that xubuntu was going to have beryl installed by default
[07:32] <dosnlinux> are they true?
[07:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Lat I checked, they were considering that for Ubuntu for the next release.  I'm not sure if they've decided anything yet.
[07:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (They were still debating whether it should be done as default, as an option, not at all, and whether to use Compiz or Beryl if they did.)
[07:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/Lat/Last/
[07:35] <dosnlinux> I hope not, at least not by default
[07:36] <dosnlinux> seems kinda counter productive for Ubuntu's objective, or at least my understanding of it
[07:37] <dosnlinux> at least having it installed by default
[07:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not entirely - compositing managers offer some useful features.  It would be counter intuitive if they included it in Xubuntu, which is targetted at low-spec machines.
[07:37] <dosnlinux> boy, I'm using "at least" a lot today :P
[07:38] <dosnlinux> I agree
[07:38] <dosnlinux> plus it's just one more thing to fit on a CD
[07:39] <dosnlinux> maybe they should have something like bubuntu that has it installed by default?
[07:39] <dosnlinux> then you could install it with a simple apt-get bubuntu desktop
[07:41] <dosnlinux> Is xubuntu "official" or is it a community led thing?
[07:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeByDefault <--- discussion on Composite by default, in case you're interested.
[07:42] <dosnlinux> thanks, I'll take a look :)
[07:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's an official release.  It's missing Shipit, but that's about it.
[07:43] <dosnlinux> cool
[07:51] <Jester45> hello
[07:59] <leobloom> hello!
[08:01] <leobloom> can I ask help fo a problem on xubuntu?
[08:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yup.
[08:02] <leobloom> I have a problem, I have a very old laptop and  installed xubuntu dapper from alternate cd, everything was ok but after a while the menus diisappeared and I even had troubles with the  background image
[08:03] <leobloom> I know the first bug is  common and I've found a guy who explained how to fix it but he connected to the web and I can't do that on that laptop, it doesn't even have an ethernet!
[08:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The menu disappearing can be fixed by replacing ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml with /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml.
[08:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a backup default menu.
[08:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What happened with the background image?
[08:06] <leobloom> well I'm a noob, how can I replace that?
[08:07] <leobloom> It doesn't charge it, it's a gif 2.3 mb thoguh and the laptop is an old PII 400 mhz 128 RAM, when I switch it off though I can see it for a ocuple of seconds, then it disappears
[08:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In a terminal, run 'cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml'.
[08:08] <Jester45> leobloom: turn it off as in the laptop or just turning off the background
[08:09] <leobloom> what do you mean jester, sorry I haven't got. and btw, is that menu bug fixed on xubuntu 6.10? Will I have to manually fix it everytime it happens or is there some kind of patch?
[08:10] <leobloom> do you mean to turn the background off, that is, not to use any background?
[08:11] <Jester45> no what did you mean by "It doesn't charge it, it's a gif 2.3 mb thoguh and the laptop is an old PII 400 mhz 128 RAM, when I switch it off though I can see it for a ocuple of seconds, then it disappears" are you switching off the laptop or just the backgrond
[08:11] <leobloom> that the laptop doesn't charge that image if I change the default background image on the desktop, but I can see it for  some seconds as I switch the pc off, I suppose it's a ram memory but I'm not sure
[08:12] <leobloom> I tried to use no background image and just leave a colorful background but the menus leave "a trace" somehow, if I open them there is a shadow of them on the background as they close and it stays there
[08:12] <Jester45> it might be your screen but i dont think thats the problem it could be that the computer has the background at the bottom of the list of things to turn off so its the last thing
[08:13] <mAIJK> Hello! I want to install xubuntu on my lappy. But I only have one floppydisk. Is it possible? I do not have an CD-rom drive. I have the ISO on my drive and a network access.
[08:13] <Jester45> mAIJK: you might want to talk to PuMpErNiCkLe about that
[08:14] <leobloom> well, anyway I'd like to gain more speed there so I chose not to use any pic or stuff as background but I still have those stupid shadows as I open the menus
[08:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !netboot | mAIJK
[08:15] <Jester45> leobloom: the default background is a picture the only thing that makes it slow down would be that your picture is a bigger file/higher detail so it takes longer to process
[08:15] <ubotu> mAIJK: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[08:15] <mAIJK> PuMpErNiCkLe Yes but it says 3 floppydisks
[08:16] <Jester45> then i might need 3
[08:16] <leobloom> so it's a ram trouble as I thought =o/
[08:16] <Jester45> you might be able if you have a 2nd computer is use the 1 disc and when it ask for a 2nd rewrite over the first
[08:17] <Jester45> leobloom: not really, try gettting a very small picuter as a background then turn it off
[08:19] <leobloom> what do you mean with "trun it off", =o/ how can I turn a pic off??
[08:19] <Jester45> leobloom: what ever you did b4 to get the picture to stay on the screen do it again after you change to a smalller picture
[08:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mAIJK: Try this one, instead, then.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[08:21] <leobloom> I did nothing, as soon as I changed the default one and tried the new one it hasn't work, default one was still there eve n thoguh it should not  and I've only seen the one I tried to have for a couple of seconds as I switched the computer off
[08:21] <Jester45> leobloom: o
[08:22] <Jester45> leobloom: what happens after you restart?
[08:23] <mAIJK> PuMpErNiCkLe I have downloadad instlux but I can't seem to find wich file to start in windows?
[08:23] <mAIJK> PuMpErNiCkLe there is just alot nsi files
[08:23] <mAIJK> An is there support for xubuntu 6.10?
[08:24] <Jester45> mAIJK: you can install 6.06 then update but that has had problems
[08:24] <leobloom> nothing, I just restarted a couple of times and after a while the menu disappeared, the default image was still there and in the end I decided to instal ubuntu but it's damn heavy on my laptop =o(
[08:25] <Jester45> leobloom: yes i wouldnt use ubuntu on a 400mhz 128 ram thats gonna slow it down alot
[08:25] <Jester45> leobloom: what verson of xubuntu was it
[08:26] <leobloom> dapper drake from alternate, a guy suggested me the OEm but since I have no way to connect that laptop to  interneta and I have no idea on how to install everything from packages and in addition  with commands... :D
[08:27] <Jester45> leobloom: try edgy
[08:28] <leobloom> edgy xubuntu? Well, I can't install a OEM anyway =o/
[08:29] <Jester45> just a regluar edgy install it will run much better than ubuntu on that
[08:30] <leobloom> but will that menu bug be fixed? And all in all I need some stuff that I have on ubuntu but I do not have on xubuntu =o(
[08:33] <Jester45> im not sure if its would be fixed
[08:33] <leobloom> wait, I'll show you something
[08:35] <leobloom> http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=3905272932709240636&hl=it
[08:36] <leobloom> obviously this guy has a far better laptop but if mine was even 1/10 of that I'd be extremely happy =o)
[08:38] <Jester45> whats the point of that video
[08:38] <Jester45> he just opened somthings
[08:38] <leobloom> the speed
[08:39] <Jester45> im about that fast
[08:39] <Jester45> my firefox is faster
[08:39] <leobloom> he managed to install a hyperlite verison of ubuntu, removed everything he didn't need
[08:39] <leobloom> eh, well I'm not, not even on my pc, which is just  a PIII 733 Mhz but at least  it's faster than the laptop
[08:40] <Jester45> i didnt see the computer specs he had
[08:40] <Jester45> but my firefox is totaly in my ram :)
[08:41] <leobloom> he has everything in RAM !!
[08:41] <Jester45> you know what he could of did? install xubuntu
[08:41] <leobloom> he claims it's so fast even  when it switches it on
[08:41] <leobloom> and he recompiled the kernel so now it takes 20 seconds to switch everything on =o/ I'm envoius
[08:41] <Jester45> he wasted his time
[08:42] <leobloom> yep but he said he likes the gnome and ubuntu has fewer bugs.. and of course he wanted to show off :D
[08:42] <Jester45> he could of used a DSL live cd
[08:43] <Jester45> it coming with the opton to load it all to ram
[08:43] <leobloom> I thought about it =o) but I'm not sure I'm able to manage with stuff like that :SD
[08:43] <leobloom> isn't damn small linux completely via commands?
[08:44] <Jester45> no
[08:44] <leobloom> ubuntu edge amd athlon 64 3400+ (2400 Mhz) ram 512 are his specs
[08:44] <Jester45> it has an xserver
[08:44] <Jester45> he need more ram
[08:44] <leobloom> uhm and what's an xserver in veery easy words?=o)
[08:45] <Jester45> the thing that gives you windows and color and a gui
[08:46] <Jester45> its non command line
[08:46] <leobloom> like gnome and xfce?
[08:46] <Jester45> sorta
[08:47] <Jester45> gnome and xfce are window mangers they control settings and resize the windows and things like that the xserver is what displayes things
[08:47] <leobloom> I evne thought about waiting for a stable verison of ubuntu lite or try the fluxbuntu but I've read it's still very buggy and from next month on I'll never have access to internet so I need quite a stable release
[08:47] <Jester45> xubuntu is the light verson of ubuntu and its stable
[08:47] <leobloom> so gnome needs xserver too  doesn't it?
[08:47] <Jester45> yes
[08:48] <Jester45> anything with a gui needs a xserver
[08:48] <Jester45> !xserver
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <Jester45> !xorg
[08:48] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:48] <Jester45> thats doenst explain anything
[08:49] <Jester45> maybe PuMpErNiCkLe could explain a little better
[08:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm?
[08:50] <Jester45> explain what a xserver is
[08:51] <leobloom> is there a way to make xfce even lighter? All in all the only softwares I need on my laptop are those of openoffice (it's a pain to load it though) and something to listen to music/watching a video like vlc
[08:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> An Xserver is a graphical input/output control.  It creates windows, controls where they appear relative to each other, controls which gets focus, input from devices, etc.  It controls the display elements common to all graphical programs.
[08:52] <Jester45> mpayer is good for video
[08:52] <Jester45> mplayer
[08:53] <leobloom> and what's the difference with gnome and xfce or fluxbox then?
[08:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The desktop environment.
[08:53] <leobloom> but vlc is lighter and more versatile =o) I stil havetroubles to understand how to install something on linux from a source or a .deb package :D
[08:54] <Jester45> gnome is slow fluxbox ugly and xfce is just right
[08:54] <leobloom> so to make things simple gnome comes after xserver?
[08:54] <Jester45> from a deb you just double click
[08:55] <Jester45> yes
[08:55] <leobloom> I've read I have to use the terminal and tell the pc I want to charge stuff from differante locaitons (either from a cdrom or from files I  put on my desktop via usb stick)
[08:55] <Jester45> no
[08:56] <Jester45> like coping files?
[08:58] <leobloom> I simply  look for the file I need from the repository and manually download everything hoping not to forget some dependencies, I'm collectiong them in a folder, as soon as I have enough of them I'l create a cdrom that my laptop can read and charge them from the cd...
[08:58] <Jester45> u can use the file manger i dont know what the one for ubuntu is
[08:58] <Jester45> xubuntu hasthunar
[08:58] <Jester45> it just lke windows you can drag and drop
[08:58] <Jester45> i gtg
[08:59] <leobloom> btw, a stupid question, if I download a software, let's say abiword and it has some dependencies, let's say some libs I donwload them all right? and what if these same libs have other dependencies? I have to download those too right? Thus I'd have to download thousands of things!=o/
[08:59] <leobloom> brb
[09:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You don't normally have to download that many.  In any case, that's what apt is for - it handles the dependencies automatically.
[09:02] <leobloom> but my laptop doesn't have ibnternet
[09:02] <leobloom> I can't use apt
[09:03] <leobloom> I've found some dvd 's iso images of the whole ubuntu reopository on bittorrent, I might download them  and buy a dvd drive for my laptop
[09:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Why not buy a NIC instead? o.O
[09:06] <leobloom> what's a nic?
[09:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Network interface card.
[09:07] <leobloom> ethernet?
[09:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It doesn't have to be.
[09:09] <leobloom> uhm so what is it? I'm a complete noob, I'm learning everything bout my pc just by trying this and that on linux :D
[09:10] <decaelo> Network Interface Card doesn't necessarily need to be an Ethernet, although it does fall in the category. Any networking card can pretty well be considered an NIC as far as I know, wether it is ethernet, wifi, etc..
[09:10] <leobloom> I don't even know if and how I can isntall an ehternet on my old laptop :D it old has a rj11and a usb plus some serial and parallel ports...
[09:11] <leobloom> a wifi for a laptop like that?=o)
[09:13] <decaelo> Like what? Are you asking if a wireless card for a laptop is considered an NIC?
[09:13] <leobloom> no, if a wiki card can actually be installed on such an old machine
[09:14] <leobloom> it's a PII 400 mhz =o)
[09:14] <leobloom> I know it has some infrared stuff but I've never understood how to make it works and what for and linux dowsn't even recognize it
[09:15] <decaelo> Yeah, it probably doesn't work out-of-the-box, more than likely you'll need tweaking. Even though it's an old computer, I think it should work as long as you can physically connect it inside the computer, I don't think there is a difference in architecture.
[09:16] <decaelo> I know Bluetooth didn't work with my computer when I first installed Ubuntu.
[09:16] <leobloom> uhm I'd like to have it done by a technicvian :D but the only two I know don't even know what ubuntu is so I fear their "deeds" :D
[09:17] <decaelo> LoL.. well, although the word Ubuntu isn't really IT jargon, I'd be more worried if you told him you were running Linux and he was like 'Whats Linux?'
[09:18] <decaelo> In fact, I'd put his MCSE cert somewhere he wouldn't like.
[09:18] <decaelo> Like the recycling bin.
[09:18] <leobloom> =o)
[09:19] <leobloom> yesterday noght (or should I say this morning lol) I browsed here and there  on the web to find a way to connect my pc to my laptop and create a tiny lan, I've read there is a way with a laplink cable via serial or parllel port, even though it's slow it' wouldn't be much slower than a normal ethernet lan (which I oculdn't have now since I have no ethernet on my laptop and only one already used on the pc)
[09:20] <decaelo> Why don't you just get a router?
[09:20] <decaelo> It'll make your life much easier. Much less headaches, too.
[09:20] <dosnlinux> Does the Xubuntu install require internet access?
[09:21] <decaelo> Nope. None of the Ubuntu installs do unless you specifically choose 'Network Installation'. If you downloaded the CD-Image from the site / mirrors, you should just be able to burn the disc and boot it up.
[09:21] <leobloom> actually  the adsl modem I have "should" also be  a router, I just dunno how to configure it and I'd need to install stuf on my laptop anyway plus I'm moving to a different nation in a few weks so I dunno yet if I need it then
[09:21] <leobloom> but you need one to have the updates, no?
[09:22] <dosnlinux> The edgy installer seemed to get hung up trying to install openoffice from the web
[09:22] <decaelo> Leo: Yes, you need a connection to get the updates.
[09:23] <leobloom> or a cdrom =o) as I'm trying to do =o)
[09:23] <decaelo> Heh, yeah, if you find someone nice/patient enough to burn stuff for ya
[09:24] <decaelo> dos: did the installer physically freeze? or just the progress bar for your openoffice install?
[09:24] <leobloom> well, real problem is, if i FIND  a way to make it works lol :D do you think a dvd drive can be put on a laptop like that? I've found some but I dunno if there is any difference between a laptop or a pc for them
[09:25] <decaelo> Yeah PC DVD-Roms are about twice the size of laptop drives...
[09:25] <dosnlinux> progress bar, the install continued once I plugged the net-cable in, but seemed to be stuck before that
[09:25] <decaelo> I'm pretty sure you could find a USB DVD-ROM
[09:27] <decaelo> Dos: That's really weird. If you have no life like myself, try duplicating the error. Might just be a coincidence.
[09:27] <leobloom> ahah it's a 1.0 usb and it's the only one I have, a friend of mine told me to use that usb with an adapter for ethernet to connect the laptop to the adsl modem but after seeing it  he just laughed and said it's useless =o/
[09:28] <dosnlinux> I'll try again next time I install
[09:28] <decaelo> Does OpenOffice run fine right now?
[09:28] <dosnlinux> should I report it if I am able to duplicate the problem?
[09:29] <decaelo> Yep. There are certain standards for reporting bugs.. you have to be able to dupe the bug being one of the standards. There are a few more, but they're listed on the page.
[09:29] <dosnlinux> OO.o seems to work fine
[09:29] <decaelo> Cool. Was it near the end of the install when it 'hung'?
[09:30] <dosnlinux> the first package (right before core) was skipped though
[09:30] <dosnlinux> yeah, It was about 85% installing packages
[09:31] <leobloom> brb
[09:31] <decaelo> cuz really the only thing I can think of, is that OO.o was near the end of install when it froze, finished the install, looked for a NIC, and hung like that as it searched (sometimes it can take a while), and perhaps the next step in the install was to configure network access
[09:31] <dosnlinux> configuring network was towards the begining
[09:32] <decaelo> Well, perhaps not necessarily something that configures the network, but tries to use it.
[09:32] <dosnlinux> it's the edgy alternate install cd if that helps
[09:33] <dosnlinux> any install logs I can check?
[09:34] <decaelo> That's what I am trying to figure out also... forgive me, I am not a guru yet :)
[09:37] <dosnlinux> np, first ever install of *buntu
[09:37] <dosnlinux> for me
[09:39] <decaelo> Good for you, wise of you to take the initiative.
[09:39] <dosnlinux> not really, I mainly installed it to do some config scraping for some stuff on Slackware
[09:40] <dosnlinux> I don't mind trying to duplicate the error though
[09:40] <dosnlinux> It may just be a patience problem ;)
[09:45] <dosnlinux> heh, root does exist on ubuntu
[09:45] <dosnlinux> he's just well hidden ;)
[09:48] <leobloom> back =o)
[09:48] <leobloom> can I ask something else, is there some difference among the repositories of kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu and all the non official versions?
[09:51] <dotBL0t> hi
[09:51] <leobloom> hello
[09:52] <dotBL0t> can i ask you a question about apt in xubuntu?
[09:52] <dosnlinux> I think they're all the same repo's, just the desktop package is different
[09:53] <dotBL0t> anyone knows if there's an automated way to remove unused (uninstalled) packages from apt cache and keep only the installed ones?
[09:53] <dosnlinux> cron?
[09:53] <leobloom> I thought that too but then I've also noticed there is a difference among the different softwares, some are only for kde, for ex. katomic
[09:53] <dosnlinux> for scheduling
[09:53] <leobloom> autoclean cache doesn't work?
[09:54] <dosnlinux> leobloom, those apps may need QT to run, Ubuntu/Xubuntu use GTK
[09:54] <dotBL0t> well i didn't tried because i don't know if it will clean all packages and not only the uninstalled ones
[09:54] <leobloom> so it's a question oif libraries?
[09:55] <dosnlinux> yeah
[09:55] <leobloom> I'm not 100% sure but I think that autoclean should only clean that
[09:55] <dosnlinux> I think most KDE apps need QT/kdelibs as minimum requirements
[09:55] <dotBL0t> so autoclean is similar to autoremove but it's about cached packages?
[09:56] <dotBL0t> (sorry for my english)
[09:56] <leobloom> my pc is too old to be usable under kde i think, it's already rather slow with gnome
[09:56] <leobloom> eh, you're talking to a noob here, I don't really know
[09:57] <dosnlinux> what app are you trying to install?
[09:57] <grazie> leobloom: I wouldn't bother trying Open Office with that machine either
[10:00] <leobloom> me?
[10:01] <leobloom> I have OO oin that laptop :D it's deadly slow but it's very good and stable, i need it for my thesis
[10:02] <dosnlinux> wow! QT pulls a lot of dependancies :P
[10:02] <leobloom> what's the*buntu command for the task manager? my synaptic is stuck an I want to force it to quit
[10:03] <grazie> leobloom: abiword would be faster...
[10:03] <hyper_ch> hiho, big troubles... somehow I keep getting disconnected from my wifi and when I try to enter the network configuration I just get an error message:  The Configuration could not be loaded.  You are not allowed to access the system configuration.
[10:03] <dosnlinux> leobloom: xfce4-taskmanager
[10:04] <leobloom> I know but abiword is less good when i have to switch to office, I migth work and write my thesis onboth and since I'll have no internet I can't afford have some toruble with softwares and such
[10:04] <dosnlinux> or xkill and then click on it
[10:05] <dosnlinux> *synaptic
[10:05] <leobloom> is it installed by default?
[10:05] <dosnlinux> yep
[10:05] <dosnlinux> for both
[10:08] <hyper_ch> no one knows?
[10:09] <dosnlinux> hyper_ch, are you asked for a password at all?
[10:10] <hyper_ch> dosnlinux: nope, just that screen pops up
[10:11] <dosnlinux> what's the name of the program?
[10:11] <hyper_ch> dosnlinux: trying to get into the standard networking tool provided by xfce
[10:12] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: please help *g*
[10:14] <dosnlinux> no idea what the problem could be, sorry
[10:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sudo network-admin
[10:43] <brohan> what is the partition manager provided by ubuntu?
[10:54] <dosnlinux> I wasn't able to recreate the problem
[10:55] <dosnlinux> but I think I know what went wrong
[10:55] <dosnlinux> I misconfigured my nic and the installer was looking online for OO.o packages
[10:55] <leobloom> hello I'm back again and wit hanother question =o)
[10:56] <dosnlinux> leobloom, what's your question
[10:57] <leobloom> when I install something, I can use the temrinal, add/remove and synaptic, do all of them work well? Does synaptin take all the required libs and stuff by itself or do I have to choose them manually?
[10:57] <dosnlinux> they should all be the same
[10:57] <leobloom> I personally don't like add/remove, the terminal seems the fastest and easiest but just in case...
[10:57] <dosnlinux> just different faces for the same tool
[10:58] <leobloom> so, for ex, I've installed the vlc via terminal, it has done everyting by itself, what if I wanted to isntall it via synaptic? I've seen there are many files there, does it download themall by default?
[11:00] <dosnlinux> It should
[11:01] <leobloom> ok =o) I was justcurious, I'l try to use the terminal as often as possible though, thanks a lot for this and the other answers too
[11:01] <dosnlinux> np
[11:24] <Jester45> what the default folder for apache
[11:24] <Jester45> the website folder
[11:24] <somerville32> /var/www
[11:24] <Jester45> ok
[11:24] <somerville32> look @ your apache config :P
[11:24] <Jester45> thanks
[11:31] <hyper_ch> back again
[11:32] <hyper_ch> my sys was totally wrecked
[11:32] <Jester45> sounds fun
[11:43] <imon9> hello...need help in creating ISO image
[11:43] <imon9> i want to create an ISO image to mont as CD-ROM for the virtualization program
[11:44] <imon9> i tried using xarchiver to create the ISO file (which inside consist of 2 files sizing to 1.9GB) ...i took 1 hour plus and it is not done yet...
[11:44] <imon9> i wonder if i am doing something wrong here, since this is my first time making an ISO file
[11:45] <imon9> btw, i am running P4, 2.4Ghz, on Xubuntu... cpu doesnt show much usage when xarchiver is "processing" the ISO
[11:45] <imon9> anyone can help, please?
[11:47] <imon9> why isnt there anyone here?
[11:58] <jenda> Hello
[11:59] <jenda> is xubuntu and the logo a  of Canonical?
[11:59] <somerville32> Yes.
[11:59] <jenda> thx