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soulriderdenisel: i havnt been able to find anything yet, try searching on google and on http://ubuntuforums.org12:14
dwidmannwolfwalker: kipi-plugins are a set of image related plugins for gwenview and digikam that do a variety of things12:14
Daisuke_Idoso...  K3b 0.12.17 isn't recent?12:14
deniselok12:15
SchuenemannMez: I installed but still no sounds with kmplayer and vlc doesn't even play it12:15
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dwidmannYes and no Daisuke_Ido12:15
SchuenemannDaisuke_Ido: that's the latest release as I know12:15
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steve_dwidmann: was your message that you do use vmware server?12:15
Alarmhello. when i try to run something as su , i get ; alarm@rockpc:/$ sudo updatedb12:15
Alarmsudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jan 16 17:02:11 200712:15
sleepy495agente2012, one more question, how do I install the latest java?12:15
Alarmwhy is that /12:15
Schuenemannsleepy495: you have to download it manually from sun's site12:16
Daisuke_Idohow yes and how no?12:16
SchuenemannI'd install java 5 if I were you12:16
Schuenemannvia apt-get12:16
wolfwalkerOh yeah, one more thing. Pic editor12:16
wolfwalkerWhat picture editor should I get?12:16
Daisuke_Idolatest in the .12 branch, but the 1.0 RC line supercedes it?12:16
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dwidmann2gah, I keep getting disconnected12:16
Schuenemannwolfwalker: GIMP?12:16
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Daisuke_Idogimp or krita12:17
sleepy495Schuenemann, sudo apt-get (what then)?12:17
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wolfwalkerAlso, why can I not see all the files on my computer? I'm used to Windows Explorer, being able to see ALL files.12:17
kkosmo!grub12:18
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:18
dwidmann2wolfwalker: in konqueror, view -> show hidden files12:18
Schuenemannsleepy495: you want JRE or JDK?12:18
Mezwolfwalker - view -> hidden files12:18
wolfwalkerPeople keep saying in konqueror. What is Konqueror and where is it?12:18
Daisuke_Idokonqueror is your file manager12:19
JosefKwolfwalker: konqueror is the file browser, like explorer12:19
sleepy495I'm not familiar with those, what's the difference? I'm on Edgy 6.1012:19
hassan2a_!french12:19
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.12:19
Schuenemannkonqueror is the default web browser and file manager12:19
wolfwalkerHey, I told you I was a newbie :P12:19
Daisuke_Idofair enough :)12:19
wolfwalkerSo how do you access it?12:19
agente2012sleepy495:  add repository:  deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ breezy java12:19
dwidmann2konqueror = awesomeness in a window12:19
Schuenemannsleepy495: JDK is the development toolkit. if you don't know what JDK is, you probably don't want it12:19
agente2012lasted in Adept manger package12:19
agente2012in seach12:19
agente2012sun-java12:19
JosefKwolfwalker: just open up a window, say to your Home or the root ('/') of your filesystem, open the "View" menu and select "Show Hidden Files"12:20
agente2012request install12:20
dwidmann2"sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre"12:20
Schuenemanndamn... I'll guess I'll stick with kaffeine and use mplayer when I need FLV12:20
JosefKagente2012: don't try to install sun-java using adept12:20
wolfwalker10/412:20
wolfwalkerThanks12:20
dwidmann2Schuenemann: did you try using -ao alsa as an argument to mplayer in the kmplayer config?12:20
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Schuenemanndwidmann2: to mplayer or kmplayer?12:21
agente2012JosefK: is easy12:21
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Mezwolfwalker - we're all newbies sometimes, which is why we're happy to help :D12:21
K-Ryan!wine12:21
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.12:21
JosefKagente2012: no, it's impossible - you can't accept the DLJ license using the terminal adept uses for configuration12:21
Schuenemanndwidmann2: Unknown option: -ao12:21
Mezfun - wolfwalker wasnt even using linux ;)12:22
JosefKagente2012: you wind up having to kill adept and dpkg, then force a reconfigure manually12:22
dwidmann2kmplayer -> configure -> general options -> mplayer. Set the mplayer command to "mplayer -ao alsa"12:22
sleepy495dwidman, that command you gave me, is it safe to use to install java?12:22
deniselim just getting a bunch of stuff to download and i dont know witch one12:22
dwidmann2or wait12:22
dwidmann2better yet, leave the "mplayer command" alone, and put "-ao alsa" in additional command line arguments12:23
agente2012JosefK: I accept the license from Adept ... simply showing the process of installation xD12:23
deniselthe last time it worked was when i had a cd for the comp but i lost the cd my brother said it sould work with out the cd but i thinki i might need it12:23
agente2012;)12:23
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agente2012hi [GuS] 12:24
Schuenemanndwidmann2: I tried and no dice... weird that those arguments get erased when I restart12:24
dwidmann2Schuenemann: weird indeed, make sure that kmplayer is set to use the mplayer engine and not xine (which is likely the default)12:25
Schuenemannsorry, how do I check that?12:25
dwidmann2right click in the play window, play with -> mplayer12:26
Schuenemannoops, that was stupid12:26
soulriderdoes anyone know if solaris is based on linux ?12:26
Schuenemannon unix12:26
agente2012on unix12:26
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agente2012BSD on uni12:26
soulrideroh, ok12:26
agente2012solaris too12:26
agente2012unix**12:27
soulriderbecuase sun is shipping solaris DVDs for free12:27
Schuenemanndwidmann2: going well now :)12:27
agente2012soulrider:  and serious?12:27
agente2012xD12:27
Schuenemanninteresting that mplayer renders a lot better than xine12:27
Schuenemannxine was very slow12:27
soulriderthey really are...12:27
sleepy495so the best way to install the latest java is just to type sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre ?12:28
Schuenemannlatest java is 612:28
sleepy495really? what should I type then? just replace 5 with 6 using the aptitude command?12:29
soulridersleepy495: i dont think its on the repos yet12:29
SchuenemannI don't think is available through apt12:29
N6REJsoulrider: solaris is a serious enterprise ready OS12:29
agente2012what date go KDE 4?12:29
deniseloh u have to put A50 on the end to find the camra im useing12:29
dwidmann2soulrider: nor will it be, at all12:29
Schuenemannjust install 512:29
dwidmann2agente2012: maybe in 6 months or so12:29
sleepy495ok12:29
agente2012thank dwidmann212:29
Schuenemanndwidmann2: why java 6 won't be in the repositories?12:30
dwidmann2Schuenemann: probably will be in the repos for feisty, but not dapper or edgy12:30
Schuenemannahh..12:30
soulrideragente2012: unless youre developing i don think you need to worry about having java612:30
N6REJSchuenemann: ubuntu lags a bit behind on releases12:30
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Schuenemannactually it has nothing to do with developping12:31
Schuenemannit's not JDK12:31
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soulriderSchuenemann: i know12:31
soulriderbut unless he wants to develop for java12:31
Schuenemannbut I don't know any applications up to know that REQUIRE version 612:31
soulriderits ok if he gets java 512:31
Schuenemannup to now*12:31
soulrideryeah, i havnt seen any either12:31
soulrideri dont think there were many changes in java 612:32
grumblyhello... how do I mount a smb share at boot for all users?12:32
Schuenemannbut I have 6 anyway :)12:32
JosefK!smbfs12:32
ubotusmbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 900 kB12:32
grumblythank you12:32
JosefKgrumbly: see above, you can put the mounts in your fstab12:32
grumblyJosefK: thanks12:32
JosefKgrumbly: np's12:32
N6REJsoulrider: are they shipping solaris or just dl?12:33
soulriderN6REJ: shipping12:33
grumblyand one other thing, I cant seem to get beyond the home dir in konqueror12:33
soulriderfor limited time only12:33
Schuenemannfor free?12:33
N6REJsoulrider: you got a link?12:33
grumblyis there some setting I am forgetting?12:33
Schuenemannsoulrider: shipping for free?  (!!!)12:34
N6REJgrumbly: look at the bottom right corner of konqueror for a how to... some of the buttons are in strange places.12:34
soulrideryes12:34
Schuenemannwow12:34
dwidmann2https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+package/sun-java6-jre - java6 is already in feisty by the looks of things12:34
N6REJI miss my sparc1012:34
grumblyok12:34
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Schuenemannsoulrider: you know the link to request it?12:36
soulriderhttp://www2.sun.de/dc/forms/reg_us_2211_391.jsp12:36
N6REJsoulrider: do you know if that includes the companion dvd?12:36
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Schuenemannit seems they hide that form12:36
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soulriderno idea N6REJ12:37
soulriderSchuenemann: why do you say they hide it?12:37
sampandownloading the install cd for edgy and ... can't find the md5sum anywhere ... (why isn't this right on the download page?)12:37
SchuenemannI looked for at their page and did not find12:37
N6REJsoulrider: ok, just wondering... didn't know if I should get it just to be safe.12:37
soulriderN6REJ: im not sure either lol12:37
sampandoes anyone have a link to an official edgy md5sum?12:37
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N6REJsampan: go to the dl site and look for "md5sum" :D12:38
N6REJits right there.12:38
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soulrideris there a java 6 jdk on the repos ?12:38
soulriderSchuenemann: you gonna order one ?12:38
sampann6rej  it's not on the page where i am at least12:39
Schuenemannyes, I was just about to press Submit when you called me :p12:39
N6REJany mirror should have it, its a requirement.12:39
agente2012for lasted java add repository: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ breezy java12:39
soulriderlol12:39
soulrideri guess ill order one12:39
soulrideris ti a good OS? :P12:39
Schuenemannit surely is, but I don't know about desktop users12:40
sampann6rej the page: www.kubuntu.org/download.php -- has direct links to iso images that download, but no md5sum at all ...12:40
Schuenemannmaybe it's like linux was 10 years ago :)12:40
sampanand all the bottom links to mirrors are for dapper and not edgy12:40
soulriderit does have GNOME12:40
Schuenemannhmm12:40
Schuenemanntoo bad it doesn't send many, I could distribute around12:40
N6REJat one time, if you wanted to have a high quality server, you ran solaris or stayed home!12:41
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N6REJdvd or cd sampan?12:41
sampann6rej  cd12:41
N6REJk12:41
agente2012gnome is not good xD12:41
soulrideri dont like GNOME L:P12:42
N6REJsampan: http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/edgy/12:42
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SchuenemannI thing gnome is ugly12:42
Schuenemannthink*12:42
soulrideri really dont know if i should ask for a CD12:42
sampann6rej   no worries -- i foudn it -- just weird that it's not right on the main page when you can one-click to dl12:42
Schuenemannit's a DVD12:42
sampanahhh :D12:42
soulrideryes, DVD12:42
soulrideri just call everything a CD :P12:42
agente2012gnome suck12:42
agente2012xd12:43
N6REJSchuenemann: when you are running solaris the last thing you really are supposed to be worried about is eye-candy... its designed to be heavy duty!12:43
N6REJlol12:43
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agente2012kde rulez!!12:43
Schuenemannhehe12:43
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Schuenemannthat's nice sometimes12:43
soulriderSchuenemann: it it as easy to install software there as it is on ubuntu, and, is there a lot of software available?12:43
SchuenemannI don't know12:43
N6REJhttp://solaris.kde.org/12:43
endo602can anyone help me with a login issue12:44
endo602?12:44
grumblyok, so smbfs is installed, what do I put into fstab to mount the share?12:44
Schuenemanndo GTK applications run slowly in KDE?12:44
Schuenemannfirefox and thunderbird are slow here12:44
endo602i type in my password and it knocks me right back to the login screen12:44
soulriderSchuenemann: i dont think so12:44
N6REJSchuenemann: with 2 dvd's I would hope so! my gosh... thats up to 16G depending on the format12:44
N6REJendo602: check your caps12:44
N6REJendo602: its case sensitive12:44
endo602caps?12:44
SchuenemannN6REJ: it's just 1, no?12:44
endo602doesnt say login failed12:44
soulridercheck that capo lock is not on12:44
N6REJSchuenemann: there's a companion dvd for free dl12:45
soulriderthe damn green light on top of the bnumpad :P12:45
Schuenemannhmm12:45
N6REJendo602: do you have bash access?12:45
endo602yes12:45
sleepy495Does anyone know if SuperKaramba programs are buggy with Beryl installed or it works good?12:45
N6REJendo602: check your error logs /var/log12:45
endo602i have console access12:45
soulridersleepy495: as far as i can remember, its all good12:45
endo602one sec12:46
sleepy495o, cool :)12:46
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N6REJI guess when I go in for the night I'll dl the companion just in case.12:46
endo602what log there?12:46
N6REJprobably syslog12:47
grumblyhow do I mount SMB shares for all users, that is, at boot?  I have smbfs but the only thing I can find is how to mount for specific users12:47
N6REJ!samba | grumbly12:47
ubotugrumbly: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT12:47
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grumblyTHANK YOU MUCH N6REJ12:47
N6REJyw12:47
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endo602N6REJ what should i be looking for in particular12:48
endo602alot of stuff here12:48
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N6REJendo602: error messages... tell it "tail /var/log/syslog"12:49
N6REJcorrection sudo tail /var/log/syslog sorry12:49
endo602what does tail doo?12:49
Schuenemannwhat is that apt command to remove dependencies not used anymore? auto-remove something12:49
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grumblyN6REJ: do you know if I need to specify a gid or uid?12:49
soulriderok, i ordered solaris :P12:49
Schuenemannsudo apt-get autoremove?12:49
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Schuenemannthx12:50
N6REJyw12:50
endo602internal error12:50
Schuenemanninvalid operations12:50
endo602memory corruption detected12:50
N6REJgrumbly: I don't remember... it just "worked" for me12:50
Schuenemannoperation*12:50
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gilesacan any one help with an apt-get problem?12:50
endo602cant open default user face12:50
N6REJ!autoremove12:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about autoremove - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:50
N6REJbah12:50
Schuenemann!autoclean12:50
grumblyok12:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about autoclean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:50
grumblyI'm gonna try12:50
N6REJSchuenemann:  try sudo apt-get remove autoremove I know its one of the two12:51
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endo602N6REJ says Can't open default user face.... Internal Error: memory corruption detected12:51
Schuenemannnah...12:51
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endo602what should i do12:51
endo602recovery console works12:51
Schuenemannsays impossible to find package autoremove12:51
gilesaWhen I run apt-get update it goes to ip 1.0.0.0 and so can't get updates.12:51
N6REJendo602: there's your answer... you've got memory problems12:51
N6REJSchuenemann: thats weird12:52
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N6REJlet me look12:52
endo602like ram12:52
Schuenemannisn't it autoclean?12:52
endo602or disk space12:52
endo602what should i do12:52
endo602?12:52
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K-RyanHey guys12:52
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N6REJsounds like ram... try reboot and if that doesn't work put live cd in and "test ram"12:52
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elyonMy entire system is locking up almost every time a user logs off.  Black screen, mouse cursor, but nothing works (can't restart X, can't launch a terminal, etc).  It has done this ever since I installed K/Ubuntu.12:53
lnxkdeI made a little mistake :s12:53
N6REJautoclean will clean old packages12:53
lnxkdeI erased the mbr12:53
lnxkde:s12:53
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lnxkde:s12:54
lnxkdesomeone can help me to get grub working again>12:54
N6REJ!hardware elyon12:54
lnxkdeplease12:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hardware elyon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:54
bubu1ukgilesa: and u can get on internet without problems?12:54
N6REJgrrrrr12:54
bubu1uk!grub12:54
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:54
N6REJ!hardware | elyon12:54
ubotuelyon: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport12:54
gilesaI had it do the ivp6 dissabale first but yes12:54
lnxkdethankx buboiuk12:55
grumblyN6REJ: it worked! thanks12:55
N6REJgrumbly: congrats! glad to hear it12:55
elyonN6REJ: I've already confirmed my hardware is compatible.  And it doesn't happen EVERY time... just usually.12:55
bubu1ukgilesa: and it still doesnt' work since u got net?12:55
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gilesano12:55
=== N6REJ cotton picken adept is installing all kinds of weird crud~!
K-RyanAnyone know why Linux never really caught on with computers?12:56
K-RyanIt's always been "Windows this, Windows that..."12:56
sleepy495Can someone recommend a good up to date Linux book, I don'y mean gui books, just general Linux commands12:56
bubu1ukgilesa: hmm, are sources setup properly?12:56
N6REJelyon: do a ram test, see if you've got problems12:56
gilesanope, It's driving me crazy12:56
grumblyN6REJ: it seems like linux is substantially different from FreeBSD.  similar commands but the implimentation is different enough to drive me a little batty12:56
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elyonN6REJ: How do I do that?12:56
N6REJK-Ryan: yeah, because windblows was first and had massive money behind it.12:56
K-RyanBut Linux is so much better12:56
bubu1ukgrumbly: BSD and linux are pretty different, either both *nix12:56
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N6REJgrumbly: yeah, but at least we don't bite when you ask for help like FREBEES do12:57
K-RyanI mean Mac is more popular than Linux, and it's better than that too!12:57
gilesaI think so but its tring to acess a non exsitent ip so it can't get there12:57
N6REJelyon: install your live cd, reboot and run "test ram"12:57
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grumblyK-Ryan: I disagree.  they are different is all12:57
elyonK-Ryan: Linux is still quite daunting for the computer illiterate and requires someone with computer know-how to get it running correctly.12:57
MinatakuLinux is a Unix clone12:57
Schuenemannwell, most users don't know there are other OS... most don't even know what is an OS12:57
MinatakuBSD is a Unix derivative12:57
grumblyN6REJ: I never had any problems with freebsd help12:57
elyonN6REJ: That take a long time?12:57
K-RyanI think it's worth finding out how to use12:57
N6REJK-Ryan: bsd is more robust then *nix... Mac osX is built on BSD12:57
grumbly(thats probably because the handbook is QUITE extensive.)12:57
N6REJelyon: it can sure, depends on your ram.12:57
bubu1ukgilesa: i mean repos in /etc/apt/sources.list12:57
MezK-Ryan, can we keep that sort of thing to #kubuntu-offtopic, people in here obviously like linux, and well, there are obviously benefits of linux and mac#12:57
MezK-Ryan - it's all personal preference12:58
K-RyanYeah I was just curious if there was some big flaw in Linux in the past.12:58
elyonN6REJ: Just wanted to know what to expect.  Do I need to sit here and watch the output as it tests?12:58
MinatakuOSX is a bastardized FreeBSD12:58
gilesaI've look and it looks ok, although I'm a newbie12:58
MezK-Ryan - usability mainly.12:58
SchuenemannK-Ryan: past? it's quite new12:58
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MinatakuIt uses a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland12:58
MinatakuIt's really quite horrible, actually12:58
MezPeople see it as hard to use... and thats really just a misconception nowadays12:58
K-RyanIt's not that new, is it?12:58
N6REJelyon: for a while anyway i would... if you want, let it just "cook" thats the best test... we used to "burn" in our machines that way every time we built them12:58
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SchuenemannI think it is relatively new12:58
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K-RyanI think it's been around since the early 90's if I'm not mistaken.12:59
Schuenemannand it was made for programmers... few time ago it started being driven for end "normal" users12:59
N6REJK-Ryan: its JUST beginning to mature... *nix was created in 199412:59
elyonN6REJ: Alright... appreciate it!12:59
N6REJelyon: np12:59
grumblyThe only difference i can see is documentation-  that is, theres SOOOOOO many linux variations that it makes learning them all a little scary (Impossible)...  But onto the niceness of FBSD v. Linux, both "groups" have their friendlies and not-so-friendlies12:59
MinatakuWRONG12:59
MinatakuN6REJ: VERY Wrong12:59
N6REJMinataku: compared to MacOS its nicer.12:59
N6REJMinataku: huh?12:59
Minataku[18:57:45]  N6REJ K-Ryan: its JUST beginning to mature... *nix was created in 199412:59
MezN6REJ - 91 :D https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhasan/linux/12:59
MinatakuExtremely wrong01:00
elyonHmm... I thought the first Unix machines were around in the 80's01:00
mineurunix is from the 70's :)01:00
gilesabubu1uk: its all a new install and I've not mucked anout with the sourses file01:00
MinatakuUnix began WAY FARTHER BACK at Bell Telephone Laboratories with Unix Version 101:00
elyonhehe, or 70's01:00
K-RyanUnix and Linux are different right?01:00
n8k99unix is from ibm in the 60s01:00
Minatakun8k99: Wrong again01:00
N6REJMinataku: we're talking *nix  not unix!  I was only off by 3 years sheesh01:00
elyonK-Ryan: Different yes... but Linux is based on Unix01:00
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Schuenemannunix is from 191001:00
MinatakuUnix is included in *nix01:00
aibhow can I tell what packages depend on a package I already have installed?01:00
K-RyanWhich is why I asked about Linux, not Unix =P01:00
MinatakuConsidering there are still direct Unix descendants that exist not counting the BSDs01:01
n8k99ah yes01:01
JosefKanyone played around with KDE's subversion repositories?  I'm trying to checkout Adept, but keep failing with a propfind error01:01
N6REJMinataku: ok, I'll accept that one.01:01
bubu1ukgilesa: is it just apt-get update u tried? what bout adept? (either u'll probably end up with same error)01:01
JosefKah, nvm, anonsvn.kde.org01:01
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MezJosefK - http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html01:01
MinatakuGotta know your history ;301:01
gilesaIbubu1uk: i don't know about bout adept01:01
grumblyLinux, if i remember, is a variant of AT&T system501:02
n8k99linux is linus's version of minux01:02
bubu1ukgilesa: u use kde?01:02
Schuenemannminix?01:02
JosefKthanks a lot Mez01:02
n8k99phat phingers on a qwerty kybd01:02
gilesabubu1uk: kubuntu on one comp and ubumtu on the other same prob on both01:03
MezJosefK - no problem01:03
bubu1ukgilesa: u behing router?01:03
Mez!kdesvn is http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html01:03
ubotuI'll remember that, Mez01:03
N6REJMinataku: this is what I meant when I said 1994..... March 1994  Linux kernel version 1.0 is released01:03
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gilesabubu1uk: yes01:03
Minatakulol01:03
N6REJI know cause I remember it well!!!01:03
Mez!no, kdesvn is <reply> See http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html for details on accessing KDE's code via SVN01:03
ubotuI'll remember that, Mez01:03
MinatakuLinux is a Unix clone, written from scratch containing no AT&T code01:03
N6REJby June of 94 I was using it01:04
MinatakuIn fact, many people don't know that Linux is JUST the kernel01:04
MinatakuIt's NOTHING ELSE01:04
bubu1ukgilesa: and what exactly is problem? just pointing to IP 1.0.0.0?01:04
N6REJMinataku: yep, thats true...01:04
n8k99most of the other important tools are GNU01:04
MinatakuLinux is also not based on Minix01:04
N6REJMinataku: remember redhat 5.1  UGH!01:04
grumblyMinataku: and freebsd is the entire system.01:04
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MinatakuLinux was developed on Minix originally01:04
grumblyi need some help with amarok01:04
Minatakugrumbly: Correct, the BSDs are Kernel and Userland01:04
sinbad33_looks like we're into sumthing good01:05
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gilesabubu1uk: well I'd just like to get the updates on my system as its new and I cant get them. As ar as I can tell its cause it goes to the wrong ip addie01:05
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grumblyMinataku: I find comfort in that01:05
JosefKhehe, took me a while to notice it was websvn and not apache, got it check out now - thanks again01:05
Alarmhello. with what command can i upgrade-update the allready installed packages on my system ? apt-get update ?01:05
Schuenemannupgrade01:06
bubu1ukgilesa: seems like ur DNS is doin something wrong. althought i dont understand, why u can connect to net, just apt-get plays monkeys01:06
MinatakuIf you care to see the whole lineage of all the Unixes01:06
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N6REJMinataku: have you looked at solaris 10?01:06
Minatakuhttp://www.levenez.com/unix01:06
MinatakuN6REJ: I even have a Sun Ultra 5 to run it on01:06
bubu1ukgilesa: do u have firewall setup on router?01:06
MinatakuThough I'ma drop her to Sol 9 because 10 is too slow on her01:06
gilesabubu1uk: I'll try that01:06
N6REJMinataku: I miss my sparc10 :D01:06
dec_hello maybe someone can help, I used the command from terminal sudo apt-get install teg01:06
grumblyMinataku: blech... boring.  I'm just sick of using pirated MS software to do the things I need, so I started with freebsd...01:06
AlarmSchuenemann,  that will only upgrade the installed packages or will also install other things that are not on my system at that moment ?01:06
gilesabubu1uk: no01:06
N6REJI just ordered the media kit from sun01:06
Schuenemannonly the installed01:07
Alarmok. thank you01:07
dec_after it downloaded and I thought installed, it returned that i should run sudo apt-get install updates01:07
MinatakuN6REJ: My SPARCstation 10 is busted01:07
dec_now i can not find the application01:07
MinatakuArrived from eBay BAD01:07
Minatakulol01:07
bubu1ukgilesa: so no firewall on router at all?01:07
MinatakuI should be getting replacement parts soon01:07
MinatakuHopefully it's just a bad CPU and not a bad MB01:07
N6REJMinataku: ewwww that sucks... mine was missing a part and the part was like $400 so I said forget it.  sometimes I'm sorry I did.01:07
gilesabubu1uk: not at the moment no its all new set up01:08
grumblyso, anyone know how to get amarok to store it's collection on a smb share?01:08
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MinatakuN6REJ: Ah01:08
grumblycause thats where it is01:08
bubu1ukgilesa: new setup on linux, get that, but what bout router?01:08
grumblyand i cant play Nuthin'01:08
MinatakuI have in the way of working Suns a SPARCstation 5/17001:08
MinatakuThe aforementioned Ultra 501:08
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MinatakuAnd a SPARCstation LX01:08
dec_can anyone help as to where the application is or how do i start it?01:08
grumblyI had an ultra501:08
N6REJgrumbly: you may have to set permissions or make a link01:08
nnsensehi !! :)01:09
gilesaits an old one my dad gave me, he said no fire wall01:09
grumblyN6REJ: but the fs is mounted,01:09
N6REJMinataku: sweet!01:09
grumblyI hated the ultra501:09
bubu1ukdec_: what app?01:09
dec_teg01:09
N6REJgrumbly: that doesn't mean anything, permissions are different.01:09
N6REJ!chmod | grumbly01:09
ubotugrumbly: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux01:09
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bubu1uk!teg01:09
ubotuCome play teg with us!  (Like the board game Risk.)  Game will start when we get some players rounded up - get yourself set up and join quickly if you'd like to participate.  Install the "teg" package, run 'tegclient', and connect to server yarusso.no-ip.org, port 2000.  Ping tonyyarusso for more info.01:09
grumblyN6REJ: I know.... I was just hoping against hope it wasnt that01:09
bartisthello averybody01:09
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bartisti had ubuntu dapper and everything was fine01:10
bubu1ukgot it dec_?01:10
MinatakuN6REJ: Yeah, I love the lunchbox SPARCs01:10
N6REJgrumbly: when you have problems in *nix its almost always something to do with permissions in one form or another.01:10
bartistnow i run kubuntu edgy, and my sound es messed up ..01:10
Alarmwhat i find strange is that the canditate version on the upgrade is the same version with the installed. for example: avahi-deamon 0.6.13 to upgrade to to 0.6.13  . canditate version 0.6.13 , installed version: 0.6.13 . that should happen right ?01:10
grumblyI know01:10
dec_the problem is that when i installed teg it returned that i should run install updates when i did now i cannot find the app01:10
N6REJMinataku: I want a nice mac monitor for my blue/white G301:10
ubuntualgum de vcs falam portuguese01:10
bartisti've spent days on google to find out how to fix it01:10
bartistwith no succes01:10
MinatakuEw... Mac01:10
grumblyI hate permissions... Always askin for 'em, tryin to circumvent them,01:10
MinatakuMy only Mac is a 68k one01:10
MinatakuWell past EOH... End Of Hatred01:11
grumblysee, the weird part is it plays the mp3s but cant make the collection db01:11
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N6REJMinataku: a friend gave me a b/w with MAX ram as a gift for developement :D01:11
bubu1ukdec_: try to reinstall01:11
dec_i did and it returned that it is already there01:11
N6REJgrumbly: that sounds like write permission problems in that folder01:11
dec_i am using apt-get install teg01:11
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MinatakuN6REJ: Nice01:12
gilesabubu1uk: thanks for the help01:12
gilesabye01:12
bubu1ukgilesa: dont' know really. u could check ur network settings, and setup DNS manually, but dont know if that helps01:12
K-Ryandec_ you can't just get it through Add/Remove Programs?01:12
grumblybut the collection is stored locally01:12
dec_how do i do that01:12
grumblyer, the collection db01:12
bubu1ukdec_: sec01:12
N6REJMinataku: yeah, its only a 500 but its sweet.  Did you notice the K7 kernel is now obsuficated in edgy?01:12
K-RyanGo to your K Menu, then click Add/Remove Programs01:12
dec_don't understand01:12
bubu1ukdec_: wait a minute01:13
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K-RyanThe icon that lets you pick games/internet/multimedia/office/etc.01:13
MinatakuI don't even use Kubuntu01:13
MinatakuI use Gentoo01:13
MinatakuI was lured in here with free stuff01:13
N6REJMinataku: ah... alot of folks do.01:13
Minatakulol01:13
grumblyMinataku: you ever use gentoo with the freebsd kernel01:13
N6REJMinataku: lol01:13
K-RyanThat's the K menu, go there then click Add/Remove programs01:13
grumbly?01:13
sleepy495Whats a good KDE in pdf format I can print out?01:13
Minatakugrumbly: I haven't01:13
sleepy495a kde guide01:13
grumblythat was an adventure setting up... not all that usefull, but if you've got a couple days, it's a challenge01:14
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dec_went to add remove programs and it is not there01:14
N6REJbrb, gotta get some info from my windblows side.01:14
grumblyfun challenge01:14
MinatakuHeh01:14
K-Ryandec_ it's not under games?01:14
dec_no not under games01:14
MinatakuNah, if I'ma use the FBSD kernel I'ma use the FBSD userland too01:14
K-RyanHrmm, hold on01:14
matthewsleepy495, not sure what you mean....01:14
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MinatakuPortage tends to have a "mystery mix" of patches01:14
Mezsleepy495 - one sec01:14
bubu1ukdec_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall packagename01:15
sinbad33_FBSD kernel?   FBSD userland?01:15
Mezsleepy495 http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/userguide.pdf01:15
bubu1ukdec_: should work. if understood man properly. lol01:15
sleepy495thanks!01:15
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MinatakuFBSD == FreeBSD01:15
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sinbad33_Min, hah u been in here all afternoon havent u ?01:16
matthewsinbad33_, I prefer brandy, myself (and yes, I know, !offtopic)01:16
Mez!kdeguide is <reply> See http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html for a guide to using KDE01:16
ubotuI'll remember that, Mez01:16
dec_just ran the reinstall and it seemed to run when it was finished i input teg in terminal and got nothing?01:17
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grumblyMinataku: yeah, thats probably a great idea... but i was curious one night (for a week and a half)01:17
Minatakusinbad33_: Here in connection presence01:17
MinatakuNot at the keyboard01:17
Minatakugrumbly: rofl, whole new meaning to "long night"01:17
bubu1uk!ted01:17
MinatakuXD01:17
ubotuted: graphical RTF (Rich Text Format) editor, stable lesstif version. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.17-1 (edgy), package size 654 kB, installed size 1732 kB01:17
bubu1ukops01:17
bubu1uk!teg01:17
ubotuCome play teg with us!  (Like the board game Risk.)  Game will start when we get some players rounded up - get yourself set up and join quickly if you'd like to participate.  Install the "teg" package, run 'tegclient', and connect to server yarusso.no-ip.org, port 2000.  Ping tonyyarusso for more info.01:17
bubu1ukdec_: tegclient01:17
Mezbubu1uk - whats up ?01:17
bubu1uku dont read messages here properly dont u?01:17
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grumblyI still like the maintainence of freebsd-  Though if Kde is any indication, it shouldnt be too different in linux01:17
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grumblythat came out way wrong01:18
grumblybut you get the idea01:18
bubu1ukMez: ehm, nuffin. lol01:18
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Mezbubu1uk - nvm - I just saw you say "ops"01:18
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bubu1ukMez: misspelled. wrote ted instead teg. lol01:18
grumblyso, to make a dir rw for all users, chown 777 yeh?01:18
sinbad33_HAHA01:18
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sinbad33_*hiccups*01:19
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Mezgrumbly - technically 666 ;P01:19
grumblywhat'd i type?01:19
Mez77701:19
grumblyoh!01:19
grumblyhah01:19
Mez666 = rw 777 = rwx01:19
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dec_logged on yarrusso now what01:20
grumblywth01:20
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grumblyargh01:20
bubu1uksinbad33_: u make me thirsty. lol01:20
grumblyI cant get amarok to frikkin build the collection01:20
grumblyarh01:20
bubu1ukMez: sorry. ;)01:21
bubu1ukgrumbly: why?01:21
grumblyit sees all the files, it plays them, but no dice.....01:21
Mezgrumbly... kill it and restart it - then change it to use no folder for the collection, set it up to scan the right folders, then do it again01:21
grumblydunno. its a blank collection01:21
Mezno dice ?01:21
Alarmhow can i see number of open connections on linux ?01:21
Mezor01:21
grumblyMez: doin it now... thanks for the idea01:21
K-Ryanno dice = not working01:21
bubu1ukgrumbly: in tools menu choose rescan collection.01:21
Meztools -> rescan collection01:21
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sinbad33_alcopop??@#!01:22
bubu1ukgrumbly: also i hope u setup folders to scan in settings.01:22
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rEvolution27Goodnight everyone, here to pick your  brains again. If I ever want to move my OS to another hard drive saving all installed programs and all my files, is that possible?01:22
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grumblyI think its actually scanning it now01:23
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grumblyhrm... that was a little frustraticationizing01:23
bubu1ukalcopop: how u like that?01:23
bubu1uk:p01:23
Mezshould be a lil status bar at the bottom01:23
grumblyyeh... it's at 0% still01:23
Mezgrumbly - try donig it with around 200000 oggs01:23
Mezgrumbly - it'll stay there for a while - it's annoying like that01:23
kamelFrancels01:24
grumblynah... I'm gonna stick with the 90k mp3s01:24
bubu1ukMez: lol. true. i had only 8000.01:24
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bubu1ukMez: long time enough.01:24
grumblyand the best part is I actually OWN all that music01:24
bubu1ukMez: he didn't get that, did he. with those oggs.01:24
Mezgrumbly - me too - I'm a DJ / digital music artist in my spare time01:25
grumblyexcept for whatever my little sister decided to put in there from her collection (like ace of base and cold play01:25
Mezbubu1uk - ? ??01:25
grumbly)01:25
grumblyick01:25
bubu1uknm01:25
Meztehres nothing wrong with cold play01:25
Mezlol01:25
Mezhttp://last.fm/users/mezola01:25
grumblyMez: Sure there isnt.  but I hatem01:25
grumblylike i hate detective robert goren01:25
bubu1ukthey not bad.01:25
matthewknow how I know you're gay? You listen to ColdPlay (Not my personal statement, it was from 40-year old Virgin)01:26
Mezsorry01:26
Mezhttp://www.last.fm/user/mezola/01:26
grumblyit's jumped from 3%  to 10 and it found very little01:26
Mezgrumbly - it shouldnt update the list till the end - ish01:26
bubu1ukgrumbly: told u takes some time01:26
Mezand if you're on network mounts01:26
Mezthen it sucks ass even more01:27
grumblyno, it really found very little01:27
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matthewhmm, having some trouble connecting to the yarusso.no-ip.org server for teg01:27
grumblythat 10 should have been 10001:27
Mezgrumbly - just wait till it's finished01:27
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flipjargHello all...01:28
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bubu1ukgrumbly: while scanning u dont really see how much it already went throu01:28
uberspacedahh, much better.01:28
uberspacedok.01:28
grumblybubu1uk: it's done scanning01:28
flipjargHas anyone else had problems installing Edgy Eft? No matter what i do it tells me i need to set a root partition.01:28
grumblyit found very little01:28
uberspacedso, i installed kubuntu, and in firefox, / does not show up as a possible place to save01:28
uberspacedwhat a pain!01:28
bubu1ukgrumbly: then u probably dont have watched folders properly setup01:29
grumblyyeh. i do01:29
grumblyit's something to do with sharing somewhere01:29
uberspacedis this new to firefox? or is KDE in this version of ubuntu told not to allow users to navigate to / when saving stuff?01:29
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Mezuberspaced - it gives your a dropdown list, then like - an advanced button or something01:29
Mezor find more folders01:29
Mezuse that01:29
flipjargHas anyone here installed Edgy Eft?01:29
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dwidmann2flipjarg: probably most of us01:30
uberspacedMez, meh, symlinked solved it, i was just wondering if it's done on purpose?01:30
bubu1ukalcopop: lol01:30
flipjargDid you have any problems with the install? i'm trying to install v. 6.1001:30
bill_so, I would like to put a shortcut to my home on kicker. would the command be konqueror '/home/bill' ? or should I add something else to it?01:30
root_I'm mounting samba share in fstab .. the line reads :  \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)/media/BIIG cifsguest,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0    .....   but name of block device is being read as mount point because of the space in the name \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)01:30
dwidmann2No, no problems here, I've been running it for months01:30
root_oops01:30
root_hi01:30
root_Im root01:30
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grumblyroot_: try using // instead of \\01:31
dwidmannFinally, it let me switch m y nick back ....01:31
flipjargHmm, i've done everything i can and even though i designate a root partition it tells me i need to set one.01:31
jpiccoloanyone know of a guide to make a usb key bootable without linux on it, just bootable01:31
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dwidmannflipjarg: I'd give the alternate disk a try if I were you ... the partitioner in the livecd is flaky01:31
root_g01:31
bill_I would like to put a shortcut to my home on kicker. would the command be konqueror '/home/bill' ? or should I add something else to it?01:32
flipjargAh, yes it is. i had to reinstall windows because of it.01:32
grumblygrrrrr01:32
grumblythis be pissin me off01:33
grumblyso bab I be jamaican01:33
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n8k99bill_ there is aa applet you can add to your kicker that does that01:33
alcopopHAHAHA01:33
flipjargdwidmann: when you say an alternative disc do you mean to download from another mirror or is there another disc i can download?01:33
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Martiinihow do I make "space" part of mountpoint in fstab?01:34
bill_n8k99 - yeah I see that applet, but I would like it on the kicker menu not the panel01:34
dwidmannflipjarg: it's a different disk image ... it's called the alternate install disk, it looks a lot like the debian text mode installer01:34
n8k99oh on the k menu?01:34
bill_yes01:34
flipjargThanks dwidmann i'll give it a shot when i find it.01:34
Martiiniwho's from USA , hands up01:35
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n8k99bill_ sounds like  kde wishlist item to me01:35
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Martiiniyou, US people01:35
Martiiniyo01:35
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bill_I put the command konqueror '/home/bill' & it opens up my home, but not as fast as a desktop icon...so im wondering if I need to include a switch to the command (i.e. -u -S whatever)01:35
alcopopme us xpatriot01:35
alcopopsoon to be rastaman01:35
Martiiniamericans up already?01:35
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dwidmannup already? Hmm, it's only 7:37pm here ... not really all that late yet01:36
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Martiinidont you mean am01:37
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dwidmannno, it's 7:37pm01:37
Martiini7:37am .. maybe?01:37
bubu1ukdwidmann: where u from?01:38
dwidmanncurrently residing just outside of Gordonsville, Virginia01:38
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Mez@now01:38
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: January 16 2007, 00:38:4401:38
mineur1:38 am... I'm off to bed :)01:38
grumblyPISSY CRAP NOZZLE!!!01:38
Mezgrumbly - mind your language01:38
grumblyI hate amarok01:39
mineuramarok is sweeeeeeeeet01:39
mineur:)01:39
grumblyi know01:39
dwidmannwhy?01:39
MinatakuNone of that language was bad01:39
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grumblycause it wont build my collection01:39
dwidmannamarok is the best thing since sliced bread, so why do you hate it grumbly? ...... oh, that would be a good reason then01:39
grumblyMinataku: thanks for noticing01:39
Mezgrumbly, just be patient and poke #amarok01:40
mineur[sleep] does it give an error?01:40
mineur[sleep] damn... I'm supposed to be sleeping :p01:40
dwidmanndon't worry mineur[sleep] , sleep is overrated01:40
Minatakugrumbly: np01:41
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mineur[sleep] that's what I say too.... but then my girlfriend who's addicted to sleep starts over-worrying :)01:41
Martiinihow do I make "space" part of mountpoint in fstab?01:42
Martiini I'm mounting samba share in fstab .. the line reads :  \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)/media/BIIG cifsguest,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0    .....   but name of block device is being read as mount point because of the space in the name \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)01:42
Martiiniquotes?01:43
MartiiniIve tried quotes ... didnt work01:43
MezMartiini - why not just use smb4k01:43
Mez!smb4k | Martiini01:43
ubotusmb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (edgy), package size 1176 kB, installed size 2984 kB01:43
Meztakes care of teh mounting for you#01:43
mineur[sleep] sweet I need that lol01:43
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Martiininot an answer .. but I'll give it a try01:44
dwidmannMartiini: you would definitely need quotes or something else to deal with those spaces, perhaps preceeding the spaces with a backslash would work01:44
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mineur[sleep] btw is there a front end to configure samba?01:45
mineur[sleep] the server then01:45
Mezmineur - kcontrol has nice file sharing bit01:45
bubu1ukMartiiny: aint there problem with those brakes? it does problems in command line, i think.01:45
jpiccolohow would i go about making a usb stick bootable01:45
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bubu1ukjpiccolo: does ur bios support it?01:46
jpiccoloyes01:46
bubu1uku should be able to enable it there01:46
jpiccolobut it needs a mbr i think01:47
jpiccoloit says no system disk01:47
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dwidmannmineur[sleep] : in kcontrol, yes01:48
bubu1ukjpiccolo: u installed on usb? it should make it somehow bootable01:48
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jpiccolono i dont want to install linux from the usb stick, i just want to make it bootable01:48
bubu1ukjpiccolo: u tried to google for it? i found some solutions ages ago. but never tried.cuz my bios doens't support it01:48
jpiccoloand be able to run a program from it01:48
bubu1ukjpiccolo: bootable OS u mean01:49
jpiccoloall the tuts i found where how to install linux from the usb01:49
bubu1ukjpiccolo: from or on?01:49
jpiccoloi want to run a flash program from the stick01:49
bubu1ukjpiccolo: something have to be bootable, so OS. aps run on kernel (either win kernel, if not linux)01:50
jpiccololike making a floppy bootable, but i want to use a usb stick01:50
bubu1ukah, got u now.01:50
bubu1ukbut running what on it?01:50
jpiccolook hehe sometimes i guess i am not clear01:50
grumblyplease dont laugh, but how do I start a stopped process if ctrl+x01:51
grumblyer, z01:51
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jpiccolono i just need a prompt from the usb stick to run a flash program01:51
jpiccololike dos01:51
bubu1ukgrumbly: i dont laugh, cuz dont know either. ;)01:51
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sorush20is it okay to mix kubuntu repositories with parsix ones?01:51
bubu1uklike DOS is OS as well.01:51
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jpiccolook so i need to find out how to install dos on the usb stick?01:52
bubu1ukjpiccolo: u'll have to have some OS there runin.01:52
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bubu1ukno app runs without OS.01:52
dwidmannMartiini, I on a wim decided to install/test smbfs ... seems to be working well. "//GAIA/SharedDocs /media/gaia smbfs rw 0 0"01:52
bubu1ukjpiccolo: or go for some minimal linux distro.01:52
bubu1uklike puppy or dsl01:53
jpiccoloyeah but i cant run a exe in that01:53
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dwidmannsorush20: I'm not familiar with the parsix ones, but if they work for you ... use them. If it complains about dependency problems, then it probably isn't a good idea.01:57
bubu1ukjpiccolo: then just install that software on usb instead prog files and run it from usb.01:57
sorush20there are about 28 packages in gnome that are supposed to be updated in by the source deb http://parsix.org/packages sid main, and on the home page it does say they can be used.. although the users on the parsix channel are low.01:58
rEvolution27why doesn't my adept have certain packages that i know are supposed to be there? Like gkrellm. Is there a repository i need to add or something?01:59
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endo602in my grub bootloader i see two kernels there01:59
endo602how can i get rid of one01:59
endo602i think it is causing problems01:59
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bubu1ukrEvolution27: u have universe and multiverse repos enabled?02:00
rEvolution27i'll check02:00
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bubu1ukendo602: i have 3 kernels in grub menu. doestn really matter how many02:00
rEvolution27btw all my repos are dapper for some reason02:01
bubu1ukand u r on?02:01
rEvolution27lol nvm apt-update fixed it02:02
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rEvolution27but why don't i have the edgy repos?02:03
BluesKajendo602, don't worry about the other kernels , just be thankful , they're backups :002:03
bonbonthejonanyone know a lot about svn02:05
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BluesKajrEvolution27, check this out : http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-csudo%20dpkg-reconfigure%20xserver-xorgomplete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html02:06
rEvolution27tnx02:06
rEvolution27i need all the help i can get ;)02:06
BluesKajnp02:07
BluesKaj!svn02:08
ubotusvn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/02:08
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BluesKaj!cvs02:08
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bonbonthejonBluesKaj: thanks, ill try looking there02:09
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dsmithhi dawn02:11
dawnHi Doug02:11
dawnhow was your day02:11
dsmithgood02:11
dsmithyou?02:11
dawnthats good02:11
dawnfine02:11
dsmithdo you like your kubuntu?02:11
dawngot alot done02:11
dawnyes i do02:11
dawnits cool02:11
dsmithahhh sweet02:11
dawnbuddy02:11
dawnyhank you02:12
dawnfor helping me put it on02:12
dawnyour the man02:12
dsmith;)02:12
dsmithnp02:12
dawn>:O)02:12
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kcHi everyone, when you shut down kubuntu can you have it show all the processes its stopping like ubuntu does?02:16
dsmithhmmmm02:16
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dsmithnever knew Ubuntu does that...02:16
JucatoI think he means the one in usplash02:16
kcI"m just a rookie so I might not have stated that corrrectly.02:17
dsmith<---- rookie too02:17
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dsmith:)02:17
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kcWhen I tried ubuntu, when I shut it down it would go to a screen that looked like the shell(full screen though) and list a bunch of stuff one line at a time, with OK at the end of each line02:18
dsmithlol02:18
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dsmithoh02:18
Jucatokc: hm.... Ubuntu Edgy?02:18
dsmithI know what your talking about02:18
dsmiththe DOS stuff02:18
dsmithcommand line02:18
kcI think it was breezy02:18
Jucatooh...02:18
kcyes02:18
soulriderhi everyone02:19
kcmy kubuntu sometimes hangs on shutdown02:19
dsmithwhy do you want to see it?02:19
dsmithoh nm02:19
dsmithhmmm02:19
bubu1ukkc: u definitely can do that, but dunno how. lol02:19
dsmithI dont know either02:19
dsmithI would say sure you can do that02:19
Jucatoabout shutting down not showing the splash screen... that means it's a bit broken...02:19
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bubu1ukJucato: he just want's to see all proceses that are stoppin.02:20
kcI sometimes get a white screen, then black and it shuts down.  Occasionally the monitor goes crazy with lines all across it, and thats when it hangs02:20
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bubu1ukkc: tried F1 or F2?02:20
kcits onboard intel 945g02:20
Jucatobubu1uk: I know. but under normal circumstances, during shutdown, the shutdown splash screen should show up. if it doesn't, then there's something wrong02:21
JucatoAlt+F1 would only spit out messges if the "quiet" option is removed02:21
kci think i have seen that, the blue kubuntu with the little blue line in the middle of the screen?02:21
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Jucatoin /boot/grub/menu.lst, there are options to turn off the splash screen and to show the messages02:22
bubu1ukJucato: under normal circumstances yes. not if u change it lol.02:22
Jucatobubu1uk: that wouldn't be a "normal circumstance", would it? :P02:22
bubu1ukaint' it just for boot up process?02:22
bubu1ukJucato: that definitely would. :)02:22
JucatoI think it does for both.02:22
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kci just changed grub to show the menu on boot, i guess when i shut it down i'll see.02:23
bubu1ukhmm, now i'd like to know if my yum freezes or actually does some work. lol. (offtopic of course. lol)02:24
Jucatokc: um... that's different...02:24
Jucatolook for the entry for your kernel near the bottom. the grouped entries with "title", "root", "initrd", etc02:24
Jucatoyum.... :P02:24
Jucatokc: in the "root /vmlinuz-...." line, remove the "quiet" option to see status messages and remove "splash" to turn of the splash screen02:25
bubu1ukJucato: lol. ur' faster. was just bout to write that. :p02:26
Jucatotake note that if you turn off quiet, but leave splash on, you will have "pretty" messages in the splash screen, like Dapper's. if on the other hand you turn off splash and leave quiet on, you will have no splash screen, but no or few status messages too02:26
kcis it this line02:26
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kc  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash02:27
dwidmannor not so pretty messages, if you encounter usplashes many bugs :\02:27
Jucatokc: yes. if that's the kernel you boot into (which is the default)02:27
kcyes, its the only one other than the recover02:28
Jucatothen that would be it02:28
kcso i just delete "quiet"02:28
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Jucatosee my "note" above02:30
sorush20is there any way that I could upgrade and downgrade ?02:30
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sorush20I want to try a few packages from another repository before I carryon can I undo this and use the old packages?02:30
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tamacrackaHey guys?02:31
tamacrackai need to download and install something called "lynx" onto nicotine02:31
tamacrackadoes anyone know about that?02:31
BluesKajprolly a python thing02:32
matthew!lynx02:32
ubotuBrowsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache202:32
bubu1ukJucato: lol. i think my fedora will go to bin. altough i like it. yum does still have some problems. on server i stick still with ubuntu. ;)02:32
tamacrackait's for me to get google time when i use /gtime "city"02:32
BluesKajnicotine runs on python02:32
matthewlynx is a text-based internet browser02:32
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BluesKaj!nicotine02:32
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BluesKaj!python02:33
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tamacrackamatthew how can i get this lynx?02:33
matthewtamacracka, uh, sudo apt-get install lynx02:33
tamacrackathanks :P02:33
tamacrackagonna try it02:33
bubu1uktamacracka: or thru adept.02:33
Jucato!lynx02:33
ubotuBrowsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache202:33
matthewtamacracka, if that doesn't work, sudo apt-cache search lynx02:33
Jucatoer...02:33
Jucato!info lynx02:33
ubotulynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.5-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1077 kB, installed size 4568 kB02:33
tamacrackaok02:34
Jucato^^^^^^^02:34
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PPAAUULLanyone know anything about beryl?02:35
Jucato!beryl | PPAAUULL02:36
ubotuPPAAUULL: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl02:36
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PPAAUULLok I guess not then02:37
PPAAUULLlol02:37
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K-RyanAnyone know any software that I could resize a video with?02:39
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BluesKajtovid02:40
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BluesKajor Kino video editor02:41
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K-RyanEither or?02:41
K-RyanOr is one better?02:41
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tamacrackaeeeek02:42
tamacrackait doesn't connect to google02:42
matthewtamacracka, did it work for ya?02:42
BluesKajactually Kino is prolly what you're looking for, K-Ryan02:42
tamacrackayeah it installed02:42
K-RyanThanks BluesKaj02:42
BluesKajnp02:42
tamacrackabut seems like google doesn't like it lol02:42
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matthewprolly because google is so little text...it's mostly graphical and a text field...02:43
BluesKajtamacracka, wtf are you taliking about?02:43
tamacrackalol02:43
tamacrackai scroll to google02:43
tamacrackaand i get a 400 Bad Request02:44
tamacrackayeah matthew that's what i was thinkin02:44
BluesKajwell don't clutter up with yer comments , it's confusing for others02:44
matthewBluesKaj, chill out. that's the way things work here.02:45
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BluesKajI'm chilled , it's NOT the way things work here02:46
tamacracka>.>02:46
tamacrackaBluesKaj go smoke some pot man... and calm down :P02:46
Jucatoway things work here??02:46
matthewyes. people talk back and forth. the conversation is public so others may follow along.02:46
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tamacrackathanks anyways matthew ill see what i can do02:46
matthewtamacracka, ok, see ya later02:46
tamacrackasee you again!02:46
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BluesKajwow ...yer telling an old hippie to chillout  :) ..now that's funny02:48
matthewlol, yeah... BluesKaj, we good?02:48
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rEvolution27anyone have some good linux file sharing (p2p) programs for linux?02:53
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matthewrEvolution27, uh, bit torrent?02:53
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Jucatoktorrent for bittorrent02:54
rEvolution27yeh i know02:54
Jucatothen there's amule, frostwire, and apollon for the others...02:54
rEvolution27these any good?02:54
rEvolution27which do you recommend?02:55
SlackwiseFrostWire02:55
rEvolution27k02:55
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SlackwiseFrostWire is the fully open sourced version of LimeWire02:55
rEvolution27oh02:55
SlackwiseSo if the company that runs LimeWire gets RIAA'd to the ground, FrostWire will live on.02:55
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JucatorEvolution27: I really don't. I only use ktorrent02:56
SlackwiseFrostWire and BitTorrent are the way to go, to get your file sharing needs.02:56
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matthewI like azureus.02:56
rEvolution27yeh02:56
rEvolution27i find bit torrent a bit slow at times02:56
matthewrEvolution27, have you port forwarded ports on your router?02:57
rEvolution27umm i don't think so (but then again i dunno what that is)02:57
SlackwiseJust turn on UPnP on your router, then use a compatible client. :P02:57
matthewrEvolution27, google port forward02:57
rEvolution27ok02:58
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kcsome ISP's are blocking or throttling bitorrent02:58
matthewit basically opens ports on your router to allow you to accept incoming anonymous connections (bittorrent traffic)02:58
matthewkc, azureus provides encryption schemes02:59
rEvolution27my isp won't jail me for this right?02:59
rEvolution27lol02:59
kci enabled that on ktorrent,is azureus better?02:59
bubu1ukrEvolution27: no if u dont download copyrighted stuff. lol02:59
matthewidk...ktorrent doesn't really work for me...I use azureus...but it's pretty resource intensive....02:59
bubu1ukkc: i think personal preference03:00
matthewazureus is a java app...03:00
kci got up to 60-70K on one file, another was 6K, just like dial up03:00
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bubu1uki use rtorrent. lol. not much resources. console based so can even ssh .03:00
bubu1ukeasy to manage. all i need.03:01
matthewrtorrent, aye?03:01
matthewgotta check that one out...03:01
bubu1ukkc: u should understand also how sharing works.03:01
matthewI've got a server that's doing nothing....03:01
bubu1ukmathew: lol. run it on my server as well.03:01
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rEvolution27my dl speed is very slow and tuff get's stalled alot03:02
K-Ryanhttp://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1618/snapshot1sp1.jpg03:02
K-Ryan=)03:02
bubu1ukkc: down/upspeed is not allways because off network or system  issues03:02
bubu1uki download sabayon linux torrent for example now and get only 3 kb down.03:03
rEvolution2712 seeders03:03
kcas in not enough people sharing the file?03:03
bubu1ukkc: yes, also if they actually logged in that time, free slots etc.03:03
kcthe couple of files i did get i was uploading way faster than i was getting others03:04
bubu1ukrEvolution27: does it tell u to how many ur connected and how many have opened line with u aka from whom ur downloadin03:04
bubu1ukthat's torrents, sometimes works, sometimes dont03:05
bubu1ukand sometimes dead. lol03:05
kcdoesn't ktorrent have a shares tab? or something like that03:05
bubu1uknope03:06
bubu1uk!torrent03:06
ubotuTorrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html03:06
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bubu1ukread faq03:06
kchow abuot peers then03:06
bubu1ukp2p connection is when both system operate as server and client for each other03:07
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kcfor those that helped with my last question, removing quiet caused the system to hang the 2 times I tried shutting it down, screen like a tartan.  Removing splash also seems to have worked, lots of text flying by.03:08
bubu1ukkc: so it works how u wanted now?03:10
matthewlol, kc wants a _true_ hackers machine...03:10
kcseems to, thanks, although its not as neatly formatted as it was for ubuntu03:10
kcthats way over my head03:11
bubu1ukkc: it's allways different. on many distros03:11
bubu1ukkc: good to know. will have to remember that solution. lol03:11
kcya, i don't know if its a video issue, I can hear the CRT monitor click away changing resolutions03:12
bubu1ukmatthew: lol. he should go 4 gentoo or slacware without GUI then.03:12
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matthewlol, yeah03:12
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matthewgentoo for sure...03:13
bubu1ukkc: probably its only cuz xorg changes it.03:13
matthewbubu1uk, I tried gentoo, but I guess I don't have the mindset (nor the patience) required....03:13
kcits getting something wrong because the monitor is left with a pile of coloured lines on it03:14
bubu1ukmatthew: kinda true. lots of reading, surfing etc03:14
matthewI was simply looking for the easy, out of the box solution.....03:14
bubu1ukkc: it's probably then hardware driver problem.03:15
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bubu1ukmatthew: just bout to try sabayon, if will work. 3.25c didn work on my laptop. just didnt even start installer. that's gentoo based.03:15
kchow can you tell what version of video drivers came with kubuntu?03:15
bubu1ukif not, goin back to gentoo.03:15
bubu1ukkc: what graphic card?03:16
kconboard intel 945g03:16
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bubu1ukmatthew: been happy with fedora for ages. whole fc4 era. with fc5 things went wrong, so changed.03:17
matthewbubu1uk, lemme know how that turns out...looks fantastic!03:17
matthewyou don't like ubuntu?03:17
bubu1ukmatthew: server is ubuntu.03:17
bubu1ukjust laptop.03:17
bubu1ukto play with something else. lol03:17
matthewah, but as a desktop environment, it's a no-go?03:17
bubu1ukdidnt get that question03:18
bubu1ukkc: u might need to look for kernel modules.03:18
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matthewbubu1uk, I'm asking if you like/dislike ubuntu as a desktop environment...03:19
kcoh boy, not there yet03:19
williamwhat could be some of the problems with the stand alone ltsp server03:19
kccan't adept fix it <g>03:19
bubu1ukmatthew: well, use kde actually, although i have gnome and xfce4 installed.03:20
neddiWhi, i wanna know, how can i automount and ipod or usb drive?03:20
bubu1ukand that is same on all distros. lol. maybe not as basic config, but u can change it. :p03:20
matthewso you like kubuntu/xubuntu? I'm just wondering (no distro-specific rage intended!)03:20
neddiWi run kubuntu 6.0603:20
matthewneddiW, why?03:20
bubu1ukneddiW: should work automaticly03:20
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matthewneddiW, sudo mount /dev/device03:21
bubu1ukmatthew: yes, of course i like it. was thinkin bout putting kubuntu on laptop as well. but just wanted something else.03:21
matthewwhere device is the device number of usb device (generally sda1, sdab103:21
matthew, etc...)03:21
bubu1ukmatthew: he wants to setup automount,03:21
matthewbubu1uk, ah, you're one of those *gasp* people who get out of their comfort zones03:22
bubu1ukas it will do it for him automaticly03:22
bubu1ukmatthew: lol. not really.03:22
neddiWmatthew, it does not mount automatically, dunno why :S03:22
matthewbubu1uk, ah, right...sorry! seems like it should...isn't there an automount script buried in /etc somewhere?03:22
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neddiWmatthew, "03:23
neddiWsudo mount /dev/sda203:23
neddiWPassword:03:23
neddiWmount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab03:23
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bubu1ukneddiW: sda1?03:23
bubu1uk!automount03:23
tamacrackaQuestion... youtube videos keep stuttering a long with the sound.03:23
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:23
tamacrackawhat can i do?03:23
bubu1ukhmm03:24
bubu1uk!mount03:24
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter03:24
matthewtamacracka, do you have the latest Flash 9 beta?03:24
tamacrackaim pretty sure i do.03:24
matthewwell then, Idk...sorry03:24
tamacrackawhat is the command to check the version, please?03:24
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phobiacHow do I use chmod to assign a directly to a user?03:25
phobiacchomd -R something03:25
matthewtype about:plugins in the firefox address bar03:25
matthew@tamacracka03:25
bubu1ukphobiac: chmod or chown?03:25
phobiacchmod03:26
bubu1ukphobiac: u tryin to change permitions or ownership?03:26
phobiacI think03:26
phobiacOwnership03:26
bubu1ukchown then03:26
phobiacSo chown what?03:26
neddiWbubu1uk, it supposed to i think03:26
bubu1ukman chown, but shorter help is sudo chown user:group -R file03:26
neddiWbut it says sda2 for the ipod03:27
phobiacThank you, that's what I needed.03:27
bubu1ukneddiW: what's ur sda1 then?03:27
neddiWbubu1uk, nothing i dont have anything more mounted03:28
tamacracka    File name: libflashplayer.so03:28
tamacracka    Shockwave Flash 9.0 d5503:28
bubu1ukneddiW: so it should be sda1 then.03:28
bubu1uki think03:28
tamacrackai have 3 shockwave plugins ><03:28
bubu1uktry mount /dev/sda103:28
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bubu1ukneddiW: try to have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org03:32
grumblyhello...  Is there an m4a codec for kde?03:32
juanoneddiW: sudo mkdir /media/ipod03:32
juanoneddiW: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod03:33
bubu1ukjuano: it told him it cant find sda2 in fstab/mtab. dont' think that will help03:34
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startswithz_does anyone have beryl on kubuntu?03:34
juanobubu1uk: the line mount /dev/sda2 is wrong, your not giving mount point03:34
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juanobubu1uk: it wont find it cause its not mounted, and to mount it you dont put mount /dev/sda1 , you need to declare the mount point, that would be some dir where you want to mount the sda103:35
bubu1ukjuano: ah, right, forgoten bout that. usually do it /media/something.03:35
juanobubu1uk: yeah03:35
Schuenemannwhat can I do so every time I time 'opera' it runs /usr/lib/opera/opera ?03:35
Schuenemanneverytime I type*03:36
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bubu1ukjuano: i think bit too late for me. forgoten to do so many things today. brain is not working very well today. lol.03:36
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juanobubu1uk: hehe lol, nah it happens03:37
phobiacSchuenemann: A bash script would work03:37
juanobubu1uk: everyone forgets stuff03:37
Schuenemannnot a link?03:37
phobiacLook into google for how to write one03:37
juanobubu1uk: :) i forget many times03:37
Schuenemannsymbolic link03:37
phobiacI have no idea, but I do know a bash script would work for sure.03:38
bubu1ukjuano: it's good thats so many of us here. lol. every1 will remember 1 part and together we'll even make a command. :p03:38
juanoSchuenemann: phobiac: yes, it should work with a script03:38
SchuenemannI would like to type opera anywhere, a shell script won't do that... will it?03:38
juanobubu1uk: LOL yes03:38
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SchuenemannI'd have to type it in the shell script's directory03:38
dwidmannSchuenemann, put said script in /usr/bin or some other directory that's in your path03:39
juanoSchuenemann: yeah, create a script that calls opera.sh and put it in your path dirs03:40
mshade-laptopSchuenemann: what's the problem you're having?03:40
juanoSchuenemann: do what dwidmann suggests03:40
Schuenemannmshade-laptop: it's not exacly a problem... I would like to start opera without having to navigate to its directory03:40
Schuenemannjust like I do with anything I install through apt-get03:41
MezSchuenemann - right click the k menu03:41
MezSchuenemann - edit menu03:41
mshade-laptophave you tried ln -s /path/to/opera /usr/local/bin/opera03:41
Mezand create a shortcut through that interface03:41
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SchuenemannI was looking for that03:41
Schuenemannthe link03:41
neddiWjuano, thanks!03:41
neddiWbubu1uk, thanks!03:42
mshade-laptop:)03:42
juanoneddiW: no problem :)03:42
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Schuenemannthe second argument is where the link will be created?03:42
mshade-laptopcorrect03:42
mshade-laptopln -s source destination03:42
ctothejhow do i configure vmware player to look at my second network card instead of the first one?03:43
mshade-laptopjust like copy or move03:43
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neddiWjuano, after the commands you gave me, it mounts but when i unmount it does not mount automatically :(03:45
neddiWjuano, when i tried to open the folder of the mounted ipod i says, An unknown error occured03:46
juanoneddiW: you must add a line to your fstab or mtab03:46
Schuenemannmshade-laptop: how do I start it, then?03:46
juanoneddiW: you could add a line to you mtab03:47
juanoneddiW: one sec03:47
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mshade-laptopSchuenemann: you should be able to type whatever you named the link anywhere03:47
Schuenemannmshade-laptop: that opera is a shell script03:47
neddiWjuano, I'm sorry im new to this :(03:47
mshade-laptopshould still work03:47
neddiWit says "Media Device: could not find iTunesDB on device mounted at /media/ipod. Should I try to initialize your iPod?"03:47
Schuenemannnamed? where did I name it?03:47
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mshade-laptopthe second part of your ln -s command03:48
juanoneddiW: try clicking ok or yes there03:48
ForzaPalermohey everone... i cant uninstall wpasupplicant....not through adept or konsole03:48
ForzaPalermocan someone please help?03:48
Schuenemannit was named opera03:48
phobiacNight all03:48
mshade-laptophave you tried just typing opera?03:48
juanoneddiW: i recomend using amarok for ipod03:48
Schuenemannyes03:48
mshade-laptopand?03:48
mshade-laptopopen a new xterm03:48
dwidmann/usr/bin/opera = shell script to start opera, /usr/lib/opera/9.10-20061214.6/opera = actual app03:48
SchuenemannI did03:48
neddiWjuano, amarok gives the same error03:49
mshade-laptopyou get a 'not found' error?03:49
Schuenemannyes03:49
mshade-laptopls -l /usr/local/bin/opera (or wherever you put it)03:49
lters_can I update my sources in edgy and get the fiesty update?03:49
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mshade-laptopmake sure the link is pointing to the correct binary03:49
juanoneddiW: cat /etc/mtab and paste it pls03:50
Schuenemannlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-01-15 23:44 /usr/local/bin/opera -> opera03:50
Schuenemannit's not03:50
juanoneddiW: use pastebin03:50
mshade-laptopSchuenemann: you need to use the full path03:50
mshade-laptoprm /usr/local/bin/opera03:50
neddiWjuano, ok03:50
mshade-laptopln -s /full/path/to/opera /usr/local/bin/opera03:50
SchuenemannI thought I did... yuck03:50
juanoneddiW: is it plugged in now_03:50
mshade-laptopheh :) it's ok03:50
juanoneddiW: ?*03:50
Schuenemannwhy do I need root for that?03:51
mshade-laptopSchuenemann: because /usr/local/bin/ is only writable by root03:51
juanoSchuenemann: usually global dirs are better of modified as root03:51
mshade-laptoponce you write it as root, it's readable to everyone in that particular location03:51
Schuenemannhmm03:51
neddiWjuano, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1782/03:52
ForzaPalermohey everone... i cant uninstall wpasupplicant....not through adept or konsole03:52
ForzaPalermodpkg: error processing wpasupplicant (--remove):03:52
ForzaPalermo Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should03:52
ForzaPalermo reinstall it before attempting a removal.03:52
ForzaPalermoterminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'03:52
ForzaPalermo  what():  basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid03:52
ForzaPalermoAborted03:52
juanoneddiW: you cant mount it_03:53
ForzaPalermoroot@ThinkPadR40:~# Errors were encountered while processing:03:53
ForzaPalermo wpasupplicant03:53
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ForzaPalermo03:53
juanoneddiW: whats the error?03:53
ForzaPalermocant reinstall iit either03:53
neddiWjuano, on amarok it says: "Media Device: could not find iTunesDB on device mounted at /media/ipod. Should I try to initialize your iPod?"03:54
Jucatosudo apt-get install --reinstall wpasupplicant03:54
CVirus!wine03:54
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.03:54
K-Ryan!3ddesktop03:54
neddiWi already did this and nothing...03:54
ubotu3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB03:54
juanoneddiW: what kind of ipod is it??03:54
juanoneddiW: cause i have a motorola rokr and itunes just DOESNT work here :P03:54
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neddiW30gb video03:55
juanoneddiW: but some other ipods work with it03:55
neddiWohhh :S03:55
juanoneddiW: usually some ipods work, motorola rokr is a whole different story though03:55
neddiWjuano, oh well i dunno i have heard that is not the same03:55
juanoneddiW: are you trying to sync itunes? or just mount it as a plain usb device?03:56
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grumblyI'm getting an error with libtag 1.4.4 and reinstalling it dosn't resolve the issue.  what else could be causing it?03:56
juanoneddiW: cause if you want to mount it as a plain usb device u can use this line:03:57
SlackwiseAdept really needs to stop crashing every 5 seconds.03:57
neddiWjuano, trying to sync some tunes on amarok03:57
juanoneddiW: ahh..03:57
juanoneddiW: anyway try using this line:03:57
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neddiWthe problem is that no usb o removable drive mounts automatically :(03:58
neddiWit did in the past but not now03:58
neddiWok03:58
juanoneddiW: /dev/sda2 /media/ipod vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 003:58
neddiWjuano ok03:58
juanooh neddiW03:58
juanoneddiW: did you run sudo mount -a?03:58
neddiWn ope03:59
juanoneddiW: you should do it after changing fstab or mtab03:59
neddiWwell i dunno how to change fstab or mtab03:59
neddiWjuano, im a newbie :P03:59
K-Ryani'm out for the night guys, cya04:00
juanoneddiW: does the ipod appear in your desktop?04:00
neddiWjuano, yes04:00
juanoneddiW: have you tried rhythmbox?04:00
juanoyou could try rhythmbox, that was the closest one to sync my motorola rokr lol04:01
neddiWjuano, let me try04:01
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malik_how do i tell FF to play all real media files including smil.smi/rtsp files with real player instead of mplayer plugin?04:07
unix_infidelwhy not get real player codecs for mplayer and have mplayer handle it.04:08
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malik_i accidently installed mplayer which does have real player codecs from ubuntu repos but it plays some files and some dont plus when it plays the whole window turns into mplayer window n site disappears04:10
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malik_i have xine/Kmplayer(towork in konqi) /also now mplayer04:10
malik_and i installed FF becoz videos from msnbc and msn.com wouldn't play in konqi.............any suggestions?04:12
neddiWjuano, im downloading rythmbox04:12
juanoneddiW: ok04:12
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neddiWjuano, how can i edit the fstab o whatever is called :) to mount automatically the usb drives and ipod, etc?04:13
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juanoneddiW: try adding the line i gave you to the end of mtab, do gksudo gedit /etc/mtab04:14
draikHello everyone04:14
draikHow do I convert wmv format to create a DVD?04:14
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malik_is any one able to play videos from msn.com in konqi?..........if yes can i be guided how to play that ?04:15
malik_draik: use k3b04:15
draikmalik_: k3b will allow me to create a DVD?04:15
draikI have a few videos that I want to put to 1 DVD04:16
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neddiWjuano,04:16
neddiW sudo gksudo gedit /etc/mtab04:16
neddiW(gksudo:1272): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.04:16
neddiW        Using the fallback 'C' locale.04:16
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juanoneddi04:16
juanoneddiW: no04:16
malik_yes04:16
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juanoits gksudo gedit /etc/mtab04:17
malik_im tryin to make one so that i can tell u how to do that exactly04:17
ForzaPalermohey everone... i cant uninstall wpasupplicant....not through adept or konsole. i get errors04:17
Schuenemanndwidmann: where did you say opera binary was?04:18
draikmalik_: Trying to do one what?04:18
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malik_draik: use k3b...........open k3b then goto file n then to new project n from there select new video dvd project and u shud be set04:19
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malik_provided u have dvd burner04:19
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dannyhello guys, does anybody know where kmail stores the account settings?04:19
Thehound666I got a huge problem04:20
dwidmann/usr/lib/opera/9.10-20061214.6/04:20
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Hawai`i ive installed kubuntu and i installed proftpd to share files with friends, but my logs are filling up with trouble makers and i was wondering if theres any way to block the ip04:20
draikmalik_: Thank you. I'm sorry. I was only looking at the main menu for that. Since I only have video, do I just place the wmv videos in VIDEO_TS?04:20
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Thehound666I need disk space but as I delete files, my disk space is not increasing04:20
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Thehound666it keeps saying same amount free04:20
sampani've forgotten how to turn off the bouncy icons when i start a program, anyone remember which setting in kcontrol that is (on edgy)?04:20
malik_danny: goto settings>configure Kmail> n there u ll have it in the left hand panes04:21
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Thehound666I deleted 5 gigs04:21
Thehound666no increase04:21
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Thehound666and emptied trash04:22
malik_draik: i guess after u select ur video or after u have added it to the project just click on burn n u shud be set04:22
dwidmannSchuenemann: /usr/lib/opera/9.10-20061214.604:22
draikmalik_: Right. But do I add the video to the VIDEO_TS folder?04:22
Schuenemanndwidmann: how did you install it?04:23
dwidmannSchuenemann: the debian package04:23
neddiWjuano, look04:23
neddiWjuano, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1785/04:23
dwidmannor rather, the ubuntu package ... same deal really04:23
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SchuenemannI got the tar.gz04:23
Schuenemannwell, executing the binary directly doesn't work04:24
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dwidmannSchuenemann: any reason why?04:24
dannyfile:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/Business Documentation04:24
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dannyfile:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/Downloads04:24
dannyfile:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/My Documents04:24
dannyfile:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/Temp04:24
dwidmannSchuenemann: I know, you need to use the script to start it, /usr/bin/opera04:24
SchuenemannThe Opera binary is not located at "./bin/opera".04:24
SchuenemannPlease modify the wrapper script at "/usr/local/bin/opera".04:24
dannyoops04:24
Schuenemannany reason why what?04:24
dwidmannSchuenemann: wait a minute, I guess that script wouldn't have been put th ere then, oops04:25
malik_draik:no u just add the video by clickin on it n leave the rest with k3b coz i think it will put some other files in that folder i just tried and ir doesnt let me put video files in there04:25
dannyhello guys, does anybody know where kmail stores the account settings?04:25
Schuenemannthat was the bin04:25
malik_danny: goto settings>configure Kmail> n there u ll have it in the left hand panes04:25
draikmalik_: I was able to place videos in there, but it's still trying to burn them as data, not video04:25
juanoneddiW: yea.. you can try it though04:25
dwidmannSchuenemann: might be better off backtracking, and using the *.deb to install it, that gives you all you need, menu entry, startup script, etc04:25
juanoafter that you do sudo mount -a04:26
SchuenemannI'll remove and use that04:26
Thehound666how do I recover disk space? It seems deleting files doesn't work04:26
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neddiWjuano, ok let me see04:26
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dwidmannThehound666: are you deleting files that are on the same partition that you want to free disk space in?04:27
Thehound666yes04:27
Thehound666I have 1 partition04:27
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Thehound666besides swap04:27
neddiWjuano,04:27
neddiWsudo mount -a04:27
neddiW[mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/mtab04:27
Thehound666it seems it's not updating free space04:27
Thehound666even after a reboot04:27
Martiinianyone know where I can get freenx ?04:27
Martiini!freenx04:28
ubotuFreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX04:28
draikmalik_: Any other apps that can create a DVD from wmv for me?04:28
dwidmannthehound666, what are you using to check freespace? df -h works well04:28
malik_draik: i wudnt have clue then coz i dont have dvd burner so it doesnt let me pass the second step04:28
Thehound666right clicking folders then properties04:28
Martiinitheres no freenx packages anymore04:28
Thehound666it's on the bottom04:28
dwidmannthehound666, the easiest way to free up a gig or so of space is to run "sudo apt-get clean"04:28
Thehound666and it's in rtorrent04:28
Thehound666I deleted 5 gigs04:28
malik_draik: check adept04:28
Thehound666how do I free that04:28
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juanoneddiW: gksudo gedit /etc/mtab and after the line you putted hit ENTER and put save04:29
draikmalik_: Devede04:29
juanoneddiW: and try again04:29
Schuenemanngoal04:29
Schuenemannoops04:29
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didomanhi04:30
neddiWjuano, ok did it, everything ok :)04:30
dannymalik: thanks but thats not what i need04:30
Thehound666didn't look as if it did anything04:30
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dannyi installed a new hard drive with kubuntu 6.0604:30
juanoneddiW: can you access your ipod now?04:30
Thehound666ok it freed 200 MB04:31
Thehound666what about the 5 gigs I deleted?04:31
dwidmannthehound666, not sure04:31
juanoanyone know how to sync to a motorola rokrs database???04:31
malik_draik: yes that shud do.........also there are one or two others04:31
neddiWjuano, it says the same warning, "An unknown error occured"04:31
dannymalik: and i want to copy my kmail settings from my old kubuntu 6.06 on an old hard drive to my new kubuntu on a new hard drive04:31
Thehound666well I need the disk space I removed the files for that reason04:31
dwidmannThehound666: on the bright side, hdd space is relatively cheap :)04:31
Thehound666this is really bad04:31
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neddiWjuano, it tries to open the folder of the ipod but it says the message "An unknown error occured"04:32
Thehound666looking at a format it seems04:32
Schuenemanndwidmann: what do I do with that debian package?04:32
dwidmannthehound666, how much space does df -h say you have?04:32
juanoneddiW: mmm... yeah ipods with itunes are a big deal in linux, cause theres no good support04:32
Thehound666-h?04:32
dwidmannSchuenemann: dpkg --install <packagename>04:32
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Schuenemannthx04:32
didomanplz someone can tell me how can i play medias ?04:32
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dwidmannthehound666: -h = human readable ... it'll show it in MB or GB instead of bytes04:32
juanoneddiW: try sudo mkdir /media/ipod04:32
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malik_danny: then u shud check it in the hidden files in ur home directory in old HDD04:33
neddiWjuano, yeah :S04:33
Schuenemannwhat kind of medias?04:33
juanoneddiW: then do sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod04:33
didomanvideos04:33
Thehound666typed -h in konsole04:33
didomanfor exp04:33
neddiWjuano,04:33
Thehound666gave me a bash error04:33
neddiWsudo mkdir /media/ipod04:33
neddiWmkdir: cannot create directory `/media/ipod': File exists04:33
Thehound666command not found04:33
Schuenemannyou can't play anything?04:33
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juanoneddiW: hehe, you got it already04:33
dannymalik: i already copied my old settings - it got everythin except the account settings themselves04:33
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juanoneddiW: ok, go inside /media/ipod04:33
didomanyes04:33
dwidmannthehound666, "df -h", -h is a switch for df ... the command for checking free space04:33
neddiWok04:34
juanoneddiW: can you see your ipod there?04:34
rositassalguien sabe espaol04:34
juanoneddiW: i mean04:34
dannymalik: plus it doesnt show my imap accounts04:34
juanoneddiW:  the files from it04:34
Schuenemanndidoman: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs04:34
Schuenemann!es | rositass04:34
uboturositass: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.04:34
neddiWjuano, it says "media:/sda2"04:34
neddiWjuano, im inside now04:34
didomanthank u04:34
Thehound666it only says 1 more GB than properties04:34
neddiWbut i did a: "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod"04:35
Thehound666why are these files permanently occupying my HDD04:35
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Thehound666after deletion04:35
juanoneddiW: ok, yeah i really cant help with sync in itunes here04:35
juanoneddiW: i tried myself a million times with a million programs04:35
dwidmannthehound666, which files did you delete ... maybe much of what you deleted were symbolic links, or something04:35
juanoneddiW: and no luck in linux with my rokr04:35
malik_danny: /home/malik/.kde/share/apps n then copy the Kmail folder from there.............replace malik with ur home directory..................have u tried that?.............where did u copied the settings of kmail from?04:35
Thehound666an iso to the tune of 3.6 GB04:36
Thehound666and a 1.37 GB video04:36
juanoneddiW: i even tried itunes through wine (app that lets you open windows applications) and no luck04:36
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dwidmannthehound666, did you really delete, or just move to trash? Be sure to empty your trash bin04:36
Schuenemannthat deb package is a hand on the wheel04:36
Thehound666move to trash->empty trash04:36
didomanschuenemann it works th u v muuuuch04:37
dannymalik: yes exactly that directory in /home/danny/.kde/share/apps/kmail and kontact and knotes and korganizer04:37
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neddiWjuano, well maybe im out of luck :(04:37
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juanoneddiW: you can google it and see04:37
neddiWjuano, thanks for your patience and help . learned a lot :)04:37
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neddiWjuano, thats what i will do :)04:37
neddiWjuano, thanks!04:37
shahidanyone know what program i can use to edit a PSD (Photoshop) file?04:37
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mshade-laptopgimp04:38
dwidmannthehound666: try using filelight,k it will tell you where the most space is being taken up at04:38
juanoneddiW: anytime :) wish you good luck :)04:38
Thehound666ok did 1 more file at 700 MB(I have these backed up)04:38
mshade-laptopkrita04:38
dwidmannyou'll have to apt-get install it first though04:38
shahiddoes it edit text?04:38
matthewanyone have any experience w/ rtorrent? I'm having trouble w/ starting a torrent....04:38
mshade-laptopthey both work for psd04:38
juanoneddiW: oh and by the way, if you get somethin neat ring the bell lol04:38
Thehound666filelight k04:38
Thehound666the 700 MB file showed free space04:38
neddiWjuano, ok i will ;)04:39
shahidi have the gimp installed already, but can't figure out how to edit text, how do i do that with the gimp?04:39
Thehound666see it in google04:39
Thehound666am I stuck compiling it?04:39
shahidalso how do upload my website to the web in ubuntu?04:39
malik_danny: then i am sorry ..........im a newb myself04:39
Thehound666all I see is rpm and tared source04:39
dannymalik: ok thanks for the effort, anyway do you happen to know the irc channel for kmail?04:40
dwidmannthehound666: sudo aptitude install filelight04:41
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malik_i think it will b kmail or kontact n if not then just kubuntu i suppose where u already are04:44
Thehound666filelight is reporting correct disk usage btw04:45
Thehound666Kubuntu is not04:45
matthewnever mind, I figured it out04:45
dannymalik: ok thanks it looks like it doesnt have an irc channel of its own04:45
MinatakuWhat's a good CLI program to author an audio CD?04:46
matthewcdrecord04:46
matthew!cdrecord | Minataku04:46
MinatakuAuthor, not write04:46
ubotucdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 567 kB, installed size 1176 kB04:46
MinatakuI know cdrecord already04:46
matthewoh, whoops...what do you mean, author?04:46
MinatakuMake the CD, I don't think mkisofs is the right tool04:46
matthew!k3b04:46
ubotuk3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto04:46
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Thehound666so now to get Kubuntu to report what filelight reports04:47
MinatakuCLI04:47
Thehound666open to suggestions04:47
MinatakuNot GUI04:47
Minatakulol04:47
matthewooops, sorry....04:47
malik_danny: are u there goto this place n copy this file /home/malik/.kde/share/config and copy kmailrc it has ur account details04:47
MinatakuOh, snap04:48
Minatakucdrecord WILL do it04:48
Minataku:O04:48
malik_danny: are u there goto this place n copy the file from  /home/malik/.kde/share/config and copy "kmailrc" it has ur account details04:48
dannymalik_: ok sorry i didnt see the underscore for your name :)04:48
Minatakumatthew: Cancel that help, turns out cdrecord can do it04:48
Minatakulol04:49
didoman<schuenemann>plz how can i install plugin for firefox04:49
matthewyay!04:49
Thehound666we know the files got deleted but Kubuntu refuses to update stats04:50
matthewI'm still kind of confused with rtorrent...anyone want to help?04:50
malik_danny: try that last step i pasted n lemme know if it works04:50
Schuenemannwhat plugin?04:50
Thehound666any way to force it?04:50
Thehound666since filelight sees it04:50
dannymalik_: aight just a sec04:50
manchicken!bzr04:50
ubotubzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.04:50
didomanrealplayer04:50
Schuenemannhmmm I never installed that, but then you open a page that requires it, don't you have an option to install?04:51
Minatakumatthew: Heh, sorry about that X304:51
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matthewMinataku, sorry for what? the cdrecord thing? no prob...04:52
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Minatakumatthew: :304:53
seven11how do i connect to kpf?04:55
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Thehound666do I need to format to correct this?04:56
Thehound666getting close to doing so04:56
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dannymalik_: !!!04:57
dannymalik_: !!!04:57
dannymalik_: it worked!04:57
Thehound666Kubuntu says 178 GB used, filelight says 169 GB used04:57
Thehound666169 is now about correct04:58
malik_danny: hehehehehe..............glad i cud be any help04:58
Thehound666hmmm no torrenting with Kubuntu. Seems I can't get space back04:59
Thehound666:(04:59
MinatakuMmmmm... pthalocyanine04:59
dannymalik_: man thanks a lot i cudnt find that in google - anywAy howd u know the config file for kmail?04:59
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Thehound666going to format.05:00
Thehound666is there any way to unmount my drive and remount it, making it think it found a new drive?05:01
Thehound666long shot but my last hope05:01
malik_danny: well i just poked around in all the directories in .kde n then went to config instead of apps since we had already tried that n then found that text file n opened it to c whats in there n Bingo!05:02
matthewI'm having trouble with rtorrent...anyone want to help me?05:02
Dr_willismatthew,  elaborate...05:02
Dr_willis:)05:02
dannymalik_: thanks again man you just made my day :) :) :)05:02
malik_danny: u r welcome mate05:03
joshyre05:03
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matthewlol, yeah...I'm having trouble having torrents work...they are "activated" and start, but my test torrent (ubuntu server 6.10) is stuck at no d/l and no u/l and only 1.2 megs downloaded...I'm on a 4.3Mbps cable line.05:03
matthewElaborate?05:03
sampangrrrr, how can i kill these bouncing icons when i start an app?05:04
malik_matthew: sounds like a bad torrent05:04
Carbon_Monoxidehello05:04
joshyCarbon_Monoxide: moin05:04
matthewno way! it's the torrent for a copy of ubuntu, no way it's bad!05:04
Carbon_Monoxidemy Kubuntu performed a disk scan while starting, and said it found some non-contingous block. How can I check the detail of that scan performed?05:05
malik_Dr_willis: can u help me with associatinmg all the real media files with real player 10 instead of mplayer codec?05:05
malik_Dr_willis: or if u can tell me how to change a files association in FF that wud be great too05:06
Carbon_Monoxidebecause I'm afraid my ext3 partition was damaged by malwares and trojans which affected by WindozXP recently05:07
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Dr_willismalik_,  i cant even rember the last time i used/played any real media stuff..05:09
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malik_Dr_willis: oki then just can u plz tell me how to change a files handler in FF coz it doesnt even open the links starting with mms?05:10
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malik_Jucato: are you at your comp mate?05:12
Jucatomalik_: barely05:12
malik_hehehehehehe05:12
Jucatohow may I be of service (before I rush off to lunch)05:13
malik_Jucato: can u tell me how to change a files handl;er application in firefox?05:13
Jucatoum.. unfortunately, I'm  not a fox user...05:13
Jucatoabout:config gives you nothing?05:13
malik_Jucato: my real player 10 doesnt pick any thing in FF or even in konqi05:14
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Hobbseemalik_: what are you trying to do, sorry?05:15
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Jucatohi Hobbsee05:16
Hobbseeheya05:16
Jucatomalik_: really sorry... you asked 2 of things I don't use... Firefox and Real Player...05:16
malik_i am tryin to play real media files ...........some come as smil some as rstp and both konqi or FF dont recongnise it05:16
Hobbseemalik_: edit, preferences, config....05:16
crustyhello! looking for a good program to convert avi in to wmv........any advice???? many thanks05:17
Hobbseefiletypes section, manage05:17
dannybuntudannybuntu: hoy kain na kanina ka pa dito05:17
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dannybuntudannybuntu: kain na05:17
Hobbseedannybuntu: english only please05:17
Jucatolol05:18
Jucatodannybuntu: yeah, gonna eat lunch now :)05:18
danny:)05:18
dannybuntu:)05:18
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malik_Hobbsee: and then where or how should i change since i dont see any real media files in files types menu?05:19
seven11someone any idea about kpf how do i connect05:19
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Hobbseemalik_: not sure.  should be auto-recognised, actually05:21
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malik_Hmmm oki ........been googling it for hrs but no luck05:21
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Thehound666I tried a remount and now everything says partition not writable05:37
Thehound666will reboot fix?05:38
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Thehound666ok fsck now says errors05:42
leexgxi get this when i try and update ?? W: GPG error:  edgy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key05:42
Thehound666recovery mode should fix. It fixed my friend's system which was unbootable even05:44
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bonbonthejondoes anyone know where mysql keeps its databases05:45
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chris_how do i do a streach icon in kde?05:47
bonbonthejonchris_: what do you mean05:47
chris_in gnome i right click strech icon and i can make it bigger05:47
chris_how can i do that in kde?05:47
bonbonthejonchris_: do you mean just have bigger icons?05:48
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chris_i want it only one 1 icon (my home)05:50
chris_i like i big home icon :D05:50
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bonbonthejonchris_: ok, in system settings > appearances > advanced, you can specify the icon size05:50
crazy_busKtorrent worked yesterday.  But today trying to load it just causes 100% of my memory to be used and the mouse only moves in jerks.  And ktorrent doesn't load.  Can anyone help?05:51
chris_system settings?05:52
chris_kcontrol?05:52
bonbonthejonchris_: that works05:52
chris_where in kcontrol05:52
bonbonthejoncrazy_bus: try running ktorrent from konsole and see if it gives any errors05:53
crazy_buskio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found05:53
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bonbonthejonchris_: appearance & themes --> icons --> advanced05:54
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bonbonthejoncrazy_bus: I dont know what that means, but now you can try to find a solution05:54
bonbonthejoncrazy_bus: did you do an update or something05:54
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chris_i only want 1 desktop icon bigger05:56
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tommyhello05:57
tommyi just switched from windows to kubuntu, and i cant figure out how to change my screen resolution05:57
leexgxhmm thats an bug that can get boring fast haveing to move my mouse away to click on an button05:57
crazy_busI update manager updated 2 files this monrning05:57
tommyit doesnt do anything when  i try it in system settings, it just asks me if i want to keep the settings but nothing changges05:57
chris_can you guys help me with wine and quicken?05:58
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bonbonthejoncrazy_bus: what files updated05:59
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crazy_busI can't remeber the download size of 99kbs05:59
chris_my dad loves it05:59
tommyhow can you change the screen resolution ?05:59
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Dr_willis!fixres05:59
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto05:59
matthewYES! I finally got rtorrent working!06:00
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Thehound66675% fixed06:00
Dr_willistommy,  if yoru video card drivers are isntalled right you should be able to use that kde control settings under "perhierfials/Monitor"06:00
Thehound666almost scared me though not afraid of killing Kubuntu06:00
Thehound666have a utility on Windows to browse ext306:01
Thehound666to recover data06:01
Thehound666if Linux becomes not bootable06:01
Dr_willisBah! thats what live cds are for!06:01
Dr_willis:)06:01
chris_ohhhh yeah and one more thing :D, i ran apt-get install kde (there was a newer version :D) and i was wondering how do i stop both battery programs from loading?06:01
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Dr_willischris_,  remove 1 from the panel?06:01
chris_from auto start?06:02
Thehound666yeah but booting Windows and pulling onto another partition is faster06:02
Dr_willischris_,  what battery program are you refering to anyway06:02
Thehound666trust me, I don't dedicate more space than I must on any of my machines for windows06:02
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chris_the one that comes with ubuntu?06:04
chris_kubuntu*06:04
Pensa`MIAhow to reset kicker preferences?06:04
Dr_willischris_, assume i am NOT on a laptop or machine that has a battery... :)06:05
Dr_willischris_,  you are refering to some sort of battery montioring program in the panel?06:05
chris_yeah06:05
chris_i killed it so i dont know the name :/06:05
Dr_willisif ya close out the programs and log out of KDE - it 'should' rember what you have running and just restart the ones you had06:06
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Pensa`MIAwhat folder do I need to delete to reset kicker?06:07
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Dr_willisall kde settings are in .kde  - not sure what specific dirs are for kicker however. :()06:07
Pensa`MIAok thx06:08
Dr_willis.kde/share/config/kickerrc is one file I think.. there may be some others in the other dirs06:08
Pensa`MIAthx, that fixed it06:11
Thehound666what does Kicker do?06:11
Thehound666the KDE crash handler just came up for kicker06:11
Dr_willisits the taskbar/panel at the bottom of the screen06:12
Thehound666ahh it disappeared and reappeared06:12
Thehound666wonder why it would crash06:12
Dr_willisDust Bunnies.06:14
Dr_willis:)06:14
Thehound666ok in more relevant terms, should I be concerned or go about what I'm doing?06:14
Thehound666lol06:14
Dr_willisproberly some app did somthing bad..06:14
Dr_willisive rarely had kicker die so badly that it screwed anything up.06:14
Thehound666and last question06:14
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Dr_willislinux/kde is a bit more bullet proof then windows in that area06:15
Thehound666a good linux virus scanner?06:15
Dr_willisBetter Question - why do you THINK you need a virus scanner...06:15
Dr_willis:)06:15
Dr_willisWhat viruses ya planning on scanning for?06:15
Thehound666just to be sure06:15
Thehound666some things have been acting weird06:15
Thehound666and needed fixing06:15
Dr_willisThe virus scanners out 'for linux' scan for windows viruses in files...06:15
Dr_willisto work as a 'main server/detector/tools' theres very few if any real linux viruses out to be worried about06:16
Thehound666and what use is that06:16
Thehound666lol06:16
Dr_willisyou put the linux box in as a mail server.. it scans the files for viruses.06:16
Dr_willissimple eh..06:16
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Dr_willisor ftp server. or whatever.. or ya use it to scan the various samba/windows  shares and so forth06:16
Thehound666once on a file I downloaded in Windows, I always scan and it found a Linux virus06:17
Thehound666in a Windows .exe06:17
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Dr_willisI would bet that was a false positive in the virus checker program06:17
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Dr_willisI had a windows program detect a virus in a 'compressed amiga disk file'06:17
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Dr_willisconsidering the disk image was like from a 20+ yr old floppy... it was wrong.06:18
Dr_willis:)06:18
Thehound666well I mean the virus said Linux instead of W3206:18
MinatakuUh06:18
Thehound666was a Windows exe06:18
Thehound666weird06:18
MinatakuThere were viruses 20 years ago06:18
Dr_willisMinataku,  but it was an AMIGA disk...06:18
MinatakuThere were a lot of Amiga viruses06:18
Dr_willisit wasent even in fat/whatever format, and it was compressed with lzh06:18
MinatakuParticularly nasty ones, too06:18
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Dr_willisit dident detect an AMIGA virus.. it detected a windows virus06:19
MinatakuOh06:19
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MinatakuSorry XD06:19
Thehound666lol06:19
Dr_willisand it was a 'compressed' amiga disk image as well. :)06:19
MinatakuYeah, that would most likely be a false then XD06:19
MinatakuMost scanners uncompress06:19
Thehound666Was it Windows 1.0 back then?06:19
Dr_willisthis was befor windows 1.006:19
Dr_willisThis was Dos Days06:19
Thehound666lol a virus writer ahead of his time06:20
Dr_willisand yes - i do have a lot of Very old files. :)06:20
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Thehound666actually the uploader said the Linux virus was legit but it would hurt Windows06:20
Thehound666some editions of the disc came out with one06:21
Thehound666wouldn't*06:21
Thehound666old game06:21
Dr_willisOh for the days of simple Floppy boot sector Viruses06:22
Dr_willis:)06:22
Dr_willisnow we got companies installing CrudWare on machines as  they leave the factory06:22
Thehound666all my prebuilt machines had that06:23
Thehound666I immediately formatted06:23
Dr_willisyep - when you are getting 2+GB of crudware... and 3 DVD's to restore the systems to it crudware infested state...06:23
Dr_willisits getting a bit silly06:23
Dr_willisThank you Mr. Dell.. but i do NOT need demos of stuff..06:24
Thehound666Use: Kubuntu single CD or my special Windows CD I made a long time ago06:24
Thehound666200 MB06:24
Thehound666bloat removed06:24
Thehound666it'll be awhile before you can do that to Vista06:25
Dr_willisif ever06:25
Dr_willisAmazing thing about Vista - i cant find Anyone thats actually looking forward to it...06:25
Dr_willis:)06:25
Thehound666I see no future in Windows past xp06:25
Thehound666why I got more into this06:26
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Thehound666<--Vista beta tester who has final code since November06:26
Dr_willisi got win95 running in a vmware session for just a few apps.06:26
Dr_willisgetting a bit annoyign when ya got to have .net  stuff installed just for video card drivers and so forth...06:27
Thehound666how is Linux VMWare?06:27
Dr_willis.NET - got to be the worse name for a product06:27
Thehound666tried asking in off-topic06:27
Dr_willisVmware Server for linux is now Free.06:27
Dr_willisjust got to send them an email address.. and they dont even check it.06:27
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Dr_willisfill in questionare... and get serial #06:27
Dr_willisthey got higher end products they charge for.06:28
Thehound666I use Workstation 6.0 beta in Wintrash but think I might want to play the classics under Linux06:28
Dr_willisPlay what classics? DosBox rules for most dos games.06:28
Thehound666how does it work compared to Windows?06:28
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Thehound666well a few are incompatible 95 games06:29
Thehound666.exe form06:29
Dr_willisnever tried vmware under windows.. so cant tell ya much.06:29
Dr_willisGiven i got a few dozen x 10+gb of dos games.. :) i got plenty to play06:29
Thehound666great under Windows for Linux, if you want to distro hunt06:29
Thehound666most run perfect06:29
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Thehound666ok for win8506:30
Thehound666a bit of tweaking06:30
Thehound66695*06:30
Thehound666example:to get good sound06:30
Thehound666Win 95 has a known issue in VMWare but it's fixable06:31
Thehound666far as audio06:31
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morticihmmm06:31
Dr_willisnight all06:32
Thehound666my Linux drive is small but I ftp it to my network storage06:32
Thehound666as I download stuff06:33
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Thehound666have a Windows pc with 2x1 TB on board06:34
Thehound666my gaming monster06:34
Thehound666like to make and use .iso06:34
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Thehound666no disc access time06:34
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Daisuke_Idowouldn't that be 2TB?06:36
Thehound666yes06:36
Thehound6661 drive=disc images06:36
Thehound666other=my installs06:36
Thehound666+temp storage06:36
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Daisuke_Idowow06:36
Daisuke_Ido1TB hard drives aren't even shipping yet.06:36
leexgxi run vmware under windows06:37
Thehound666yes they are06:37
leexgxor ubuntu on vmware on windows06:37
Thehound666for about 300 pounds06:37
Thehound666Western Digital06:37
Thehound666how big can ext3 handle for partition size?06:38
Thehound666if I wanted to get one for a Linux machine06:38
Daisuke_Idothe first 1tb drive was announced a week ago, by hitachi, and won't ship for some time yet.06:39
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Daisuke_Idobut whatever's cool with you :P06:39
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monziehi all06:39
Thehound666you're wrong. Western digital is in stores06:39
monziei want to do network printing in kubuntu Edgy06:39
monziethe printer is configured just fine06:40
monziebut konqueror shows "printing page 1"06:40
monzieand then crashes06:40
monzie i cant even print to a pdf file06:40
Thehound666browse in a minute. my cpu usage will be down06:40
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Daisuke_Idohttp://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=26706:41
Daisuke_Idothat's the *only* 1tb offering on WD's site06:41
Daisuke_Idoand it's an external, and it's 2x500gb06:42
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monziecan someone please help me with a printing problem?06:42
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morticianyone know why quicktime files don't play properly in firefox?06:45
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morticii have sound but no video06:45
phobiacWhere does Wine keep it's C drive?06:46
Jucato~/.wine/drive_c06:46
phobiacAha, thank you06:47
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morticianyone06:48
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neddiWhi, does anyone know how to automount usb drives and ipods06:53
neddiWi dunno why but i get error whenever i try to open and usb drive06:54
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ubuntuHi there, is there a channel for kubuntu feisty?06:56
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Jucato!feisty | ubuntu06:56
ubotuubuntu: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+106:56
fellipehello?06:57
ubuntuubuntu+1 !! thanks jucato :-)06:57
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dglnzanyone able to help kde desktop appears on half the screen now07:04
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davehelp on KDE desktop display now only half the screen, installed vmware before this happened /usr space full07:10
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davemode07:14
daveanyone here?07:14
dwidmannI'm around, now anyway07:15
dwidmannrunning out of space doesn't sound like a pleasant thing to have happen.07:15
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jbinderhi07:16
dwidmannhello07:16
davedwidmann i can only see you here is there only 2 here?07:16
jbinderdoes kubuntu come with openoffice?07:16
jbinderor koffice07:16
sampanjbinder  OOo07:16
dwidmanndave, I'm more than willing to bet there are plenty of idle people07:17
jbindersampan: k07:17
jbinderand07:17
jbinderdoes it come with firefox?07:17
jbinderor konqueror07:17
dwidmannNo07:17
dwidmannKonqueror07:17
jbindernooo07:17
jbinderlol07:17
jbinderdoes it come with kmplayer?07:17
dwidmannI can't recall, I don't think so, could have sworn it was in the default set when edgy was in development, maybe I was just dreaming though. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure it isn't.07:18
fowlduckabout 300 idle people actually07:18
fowlduckor busy people07:18
sampani just installed edgy and unless firefox came in surreptitiously with a language pack install it's already on here07:18
davehelp kde only on half the screen, loaded a guest OS into /usr and filled it up got kde backup but only hlf screen any help?07:18
dwidmannjbinder, for multimedia, it *does* come with kaffeine, k3b, and amarok, and I can't recall what else because I think I uninstalled all of the other ones.07:19
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dwidmanndave, I don't get it ... only half the screen is showing anything ... I've never heard of anything like that ... ever07:20
davewell top half shows my desktop other half is black07:20
dwidmanndave, had you changed anything else?07:21
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daveI've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg07:21
dwidmannno luck I presume?07:21
dwidmannwhat video driver are you using?07:21
dwidmann(my most obvious suggestion being to try something else)07:21
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daveno!, whole ugly story is, d/l vmware installed it all okay07:22
dwidmanninstalled all of what? What is the host OS here?07:22
davethen loaded a guest OS, left things as they appeared07:22
daveOooops w2k as guest with 15 Gig space (20gigs total for /usr which is part of root partition07:23
daveclosed down for night 2 days later rebooted and got errors (things froze, no clr login prompt).07:24
dwidmannIt apparantly doesn't like running out of storage space ...07:25
davei then went into rescue mode deleted the vmx files form /usr/lib/vmware/...../windows professional/all files found in the directory07:25
dwidmann20gig was a very tiny amount of space to give your root partition if you were planning on using it to store virtual machines ... they add up fast.07:26
dwidmannI'm currently moving 80gig worth of vmware related files to another partition myself ...07:26
davefound i'd recovered all the 15gigs of space but desktop os now only half the screen07:26
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dwidmanndave: my assumption is that somehow some configuration file somewhere probably got messed up.07:27
davewell i wasn't actually going to be loading a virtual OS in there, didn't really read the path details (should've tho)07:27
dwidmannFirst thing you could try would be creating a new user account, and log in with it ... if it hasn't the problem then that makes the problem really easy to fix.07:28
daveYes that is why after deleting the vmx files i did a dpkg-reconfigure of xorg07:28
dwidmanndave, which is why I'm suggesting it might be a problem with user settings ... simply create a new user account (doable with the adduser command, or via systemsettings (or a number of other things))07:31
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dwidmanntry logging in with that new user account and see if the problem exists there also .... oh, and do you have the same problem in a VT (ctrl + alt + f1 will take you to a vt, ctrl + alt + f7 will bring you back to X)07:31
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dwidmannWhat about kdm, do you only see a half screen when you're at the kdm screen?07:32
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ramanujwhen i am opening any movie in mplayer it is giving a mesg07:32
ramanujXlib:  extension "GLX" 07:32
ramanujmissing on display ":0.0".07:32
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ramanujwhat is wrong07:32
ramanujor what i should do07:33
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dwidmannramanuj, sounds like the glx module isn't loaded. There should be a line like 'Load "glx"' in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, is it there?07:34
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dave<dwidmann> under kde i only have 1 screen so with ctrl+alt+F1 does nothing for F2 for that matter.07:36
ramanujactually i have nvidia display but it has not detected by ubuntu or kbuntu07:37
_deb_Hi *07:37
ramanujmay this is causing the probs07:37
dwidmannramanuj, an n vidia card eh? what driver are you using?07:37
dwidmanndave, so you can't switch? Have you tried?07:37
ramanujvesa07:37
ramanuji tried07:37
_deb_is there a seperate channel for kubuntu feisty ?07:37
dwidmannprobably #ubuntu+107:38
ramanujinstalled nvidia but it is not taking07:38
Jucato!feisty | _deb_07:38
ubotu_deb_: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+107:38
davedwidmann switch? as in going to kde->switch 2 option from bottom??07:38
dwidmannwhat method did you use to install the nvidia drivers ramanuj?07:38
dwidmanndave, as in, pressing ctrl + alt + f1 and seeing what it does.07:38
_deb_thanks.07:39
ramanujfirst i used .run file from nvidia home page07:39
ramanujafter installing it said that unable to open display07:39
daveCtrl+alt+f1 or F2 does nothing (well that was what happened in past)07:39
ramanujthen i tried with the method given on ubuntu web site07:40
ramanujby that also display is not coming07:40
ramanujpreviosly i was using Mandriva 2007 that was taking it fine07:40
dwidmannramanuj: the easiest way is to first uninstall the one from the nvidia website with the same file you used to (try to) install it, then run sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig07:41
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ramanujok , i m tryin07:42
djdarkman_hy ,can someone suggest an alternative to windows program WhereIsIt ,it`s a cd cataloging program ,that scans the cd for files and makes catalogs...?07:42
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ramanujit is compleated07:44
dwidmannramanuj, try restarting X, you'll know if it worked or not then07:44
K`zanAnyone have problems using any browser to deal with Bank Of America?07:44
dwidmanndjdarkman_: A cataloguing program, what information does it keep track of exactly?07:45
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K`zanBOA doesn't seem to like any browser running under ubuntu - same ones work under gentoo - weird?!??!07:45
dave<djdarkman_> just googled for the program and then added linux to it and it popped up a linux version, any help07:45
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dwidmannK`zan: try playing with the user agent that the browsers are sending then07:46
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djdarkman_linux version of WhereIsIt....strange ,ok I`ll do that too ,thanks dave07:47
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dave<djdarkman_> also check out the repositories you have as their might be something there that will fit your needs too07:48
K`zandwidmann: Tried all of them - same...07:48
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dwidmannK`zan, I say that, because the only way BOA could tell you'07:49
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dwidmannre using ubuntu would be if it were in the user agent07:49
dwidmannMaybe gentoo does something with the default user agents for those browsers or some such/07:49
K`zandwidmann: Heh, I wish, they are not helpful unless you are running IE, but oddly, both browsers work fine with them under gentoo...07:50
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dave<dwidmann> thanks for your help i'll log off now and give your suggestions a try.07:50
djdarkman_hmmm I`ll try ,btw there is only a plugin to open rpm files for whereisit ,or something like that ,there is no linux version07:50
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dwidmanndjdarkman, what about the cds does it catalog exactly?07:51
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djdarkman_dwidmann: the files that are on the cds07:52
djdarkman_if you write many cds it is essential to have a catalog like that07:53
djdarkman_for example if you write at least 200GB of music on cd or dvd ,and you want to know wich cd contains the one that you need ,you cant try all discs07:55
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dwidmanndjdarkman, sounds kind of handy07:55
dwidmannFortunately, I have 900GB of hdd space, so I just keep it all on the hard disk :D07:56
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djdarkman_yeah but here in my country you cant even dream of having a hdd that big ,so you have to right everything on cd/dvds :)07:57
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dwidmannIt's three hard drives, actually07:57
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dwidmannThe largest hard drive out there that I know about is the Seagate 750GB07:57
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djdarkman_I have 2 80 GB hdds ,and i always face the problem of running out of free space07:58
dwidmannI could see that happening ... the two 250gb hdds I have don't cost nearly as much as they used to ... I think they're down to $75 on newegg08:00
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chavoI had 2 250's but one is getting smart errors so I took it out08:01
dwidmannI've not had any problems with mine :) I'm one of those lucky few who has never had a problem with a hard drive, ever.08:01
dwidmannNot even that maxtor I had, stroke of luck there, I think.08:02
djdarkman_problem nr. 2 that I`m a university student that makes my wallet very thin ;)08:02
dwidmanndjdarkman_: It's a proven fact that all students are poor.08:02
djdarkman_altough i would gladly buy a 500GB hdd ,that would give me a little extra space08:02
dwidmanndjdarkman_: It'd be a lot cheaper to buy two 250's08:03
chavoI've had a couple of harddrives die on me but luckily I caught them before they completely died08:03
chavoand got all of the data off08:03
djdarkman_I have a PC and a notebook ,so I mirror important data08:04
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dwidmanntransferring giant vmware files takes forever :(08:07
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AyabaraHi guys. Is there a repo where I can get a precompiled version of Krusader 1.80b1 for kubuntu?08:13
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Jucato!printing08:18
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows08:18
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dannyhello :) does anyone know why the df command does not update what it shows - i just deleted 3 GB of info yet it is still showing the same amount of hdd space b4 i deleted08:27
dwidmanndanny, did you really delete, or just move to trash?08:28
dannyi moved to trash then emptied it08:28
dannydwidmann: i moved to trash then emptied it08:28
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dwidmanndanny: if it's still present, perhaps you can figure out where it is ... filelight is a neat little program for checking such things08:29
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dannydwidmann: ok i heard about filelight a while ago - where do i get it?08:30
dwidmann"sudo aptitude install filelight" will work danny08:30
dannydwidmann: ok thanks will dl it now08:31
dwidmannside note, it's in the universe repository08:31
dannydwidmann: aight - i have all repositories enabled including those from automatix208:32
dannyoh08:32
dannydwidmann: which reminds me - im running automatix2 right now08:32
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dwidmannI've personally never used it ... never had a need to08:33
dannydwidmann: i guess ill have to wait til its done dling before i can install filelight08:33
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Ayabarais there by chance any krusader developers here?08:33
dwidmanndanny: you figure that will be a while then?08:33
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dannydwidmann: we have connection issues and downloading right now is a pain because of the taiwan earthquake08:34
dwidmannAyabara: I wouldn't count on it08:34
dwidmanndanny: there was a quake? I didn't know08:34
Ayabaradwidmann, I'm currently alone in #krusader, so I had to give it a try :)08:35
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dannydwidmann: yep a week ago - destroyed many tubes down the ocean affecting most of southeast asia region08:35
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granitiHi. is there a way to have a black full-screen for N seconds? thnks...08:37
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dwidmanngraniti, sure there are ways, just a matter of if they're what you have in mind08:38
granitidwidmann: tell me one of them:)08:39
wallacould anyone tell where i can find plugins for beryl?08:39
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granitidwidmann: i wouldn pass through an image... I would like something faster08:39
dwidmannthe easiest one is to turn the screen off ...08:39
chavowalla, most of them come with it08:39
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granitidwidmann: I have to do it through a script08:40
dwidmannah, always a catch ;)08:40
wallai'm basically just looking for the beam up effect08:40
chavobeam up?08:40
jpiccolohow can i completly remove vmware08:41
dwidmanngraniti, if it's in a terminal, you could do something like "clear && sleep 5s"08:41
chavojpiccolo, how did you install it?08:41
wallahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Ig0NFjxkU08:41
dwidmannjpiccolo, how about with the uninstall script that came with it (in the case of vmware server)08:41
jpiccoloi dont remember08:41
granitidwidmann: i have to launch the script from the desktop08:41
chavowalla, you have to get the svn version for that08:42
dwidmannwhy does it need to blank the screen graniti?08:42
jpiccolodwidmann: were is the uninstall script08:42
wallaok, thanks08:42
dwidmannone sec jpiccolo, things are being slow for me right now while I transfer 100 gig or so of files08:43
granitidwidmann: it's long to explain.... It must reside into a program. this program launches the script, which keep the screen black for 10 seconds and then it returns to the desktop08:43
chavowalla, there's some packages for edgy available here http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=7008:43
dwidmannah, here it is jpiccolo, /usr/bin/vmware-uninstall.pl08:43
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chavobut the settings manager is a little messed up in that version. I just updated and built it from svn and it's all good now08:44
jpiccolodwidmann: ok nothing there08:44
jpiccoloand i have removed everything thing that i saw in adept08:44
dwidmannjpiccolo, try this: sudo updatedb  && locate vmware | grep uninstall.pl08:44
jpiccoloi think i tried to install the vmware-player before08:45
dwidmannvmware is *easy* to remove, just aptitude remove vmware-player08:46
dwidmann**vmware-player is ...08:46
fowlduckspeaking of virtualization, did you guys see this new OSS program? http://www.virtualbox.org/08:46
dwidmanngraniti, I'll see if I can think of anything then08:46
dwidmannI've heard about it08:46
fowlduckjust saw it on digg today08:47
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granitidwidmann: thnks08:47
fowlduckwondered if anyone had tried it08:47
jpiccolo <- thats where i have it downloaded to install08:47
dwidmannheard it doesn't run on x86_64, so I have temporarily lost any interest in reading about it08:47
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granitiil' be back later08:49
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dwidmannwow .... cp and mv can be a real processor hog if you run that at normal priority o.o08:49
jpiccoloA previous installation of VMware software has been detected. arg08:49
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jpiccolois nvidia messed up for anyone else?09:01
jpiccolonvidia.com09:01
chavojpiccolo, works for me09:01
SlackwiseI see no issues either.09:02
jpiccoloreally wtf09:02
jpiccoloi am seeing the html code not the page09:02
SlackwiseCtrl+F5?09:02
SlackwiseTo refresh your cached copy of it.09:02
notechheard that from someone else earlier too09:02
jpiccolobody { background-image: url(/docs/TEMPLATE/487/SubBackground.gif) that kind of crap09:02
SlackwiseYes, that would be CSS.09:03
jpiccolocould you guys give me the link for linux drivers so i can wget them09:03
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SlackwiseThey're available straight from the Ubuntu repositories09:03
SlackwiseNo real need to download them manually09:03
chavowhich version?09:03
jpiccololatest09:04
chavohttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run09:04
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jpiccolosweet, doing a kernel upgrade09:04
chavothat's 32 bit09:04
jpiccoloand have to reinstall the drivers09:04
jpiccologood09:04
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dannytest09:12
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dannyum why are people being kicked?09:15
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dwidmann:D it looks like that operation went flawlessly09:19
dwidmannnow to wipe that disk and set up the lvm ...09:20
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elyonCould someone please help me track down an error that is causing my system to lock up?  Happens almost every time a user logs off (black screen, only a frozen mouse cursor visible... Ctrl-Alt-F1, etc does not work).09:24
elyonI'm running Ubuntu Edgy with KDE and Gnome.09:24
dwidmannelyon: what video drivers are you using?09:24
elyondwidmann: I have a Radeon 9600 with the fglrx driver.09:25
dwidmannWell, we certainly did track down that problem fast, now didn't we :O09:25
elyonhey now lol09:26
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elyonI know ATI's aren't good for Linux, but I know many people have gotten it to work just fine09:26
dwidmannthe fglrx driver is full of problems, you just listed two of them09:26
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elyondwidmann: I was under the impression (from the official Ubuntu documentation and wiki), that fglrx is more stable than the ati drivers.09:27
dwidmannI never did get around to looking into the fix for it ... I gave my computer with an ati card to my brother and lost interest when I built this one09:27
Dell-Nethi09:27
dwidmannelyon: I found the ati drivers pretty stable, but lacking in performance. The fgrlx drivers I found were the other way around09:28
Dell-Neti have a problem when the screensaver starts the kdm restarts09:28
elyonhmm... the ati drivers couldn't support 3D acceleration at all.09:28
dwidmannand that was with a pretty close video card as well elyon, a 970009:28
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Ayabaraanyone know if there is a precompiled package of krusader 1.80b1 floating around?09:29
Dell-Netwhen i trying to change the screen saver "settings desktop" -> kdm restarts09:29
Dell-Netit have worked beore09:29
Dell-Netbefore*09:30
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dwidmannDell-Net, could be some sort of issue with your video card drivers ... tends to be when X restarts because you try to use OpenGL or something else'09:30
Dell-Nethmm yes but it have worked for me09:30
Dell-Netwithout any  problem09:30
elyonOKay, how about another problem?  In KDE, when I try to Add New Panel, the Kpanel app crashes... every time.09:30
dwidmannelyon: that's odd ... I'll try it .... hmm, couldn't reproduce it09:31
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elyondwidmann: Okay, let me change that.  Its only when I try to add the "Universal Sidebar"09:31
dwidmannCan't reproduce that either, it shows up fine for me09:32
elyonAny idea how I can track it down?09:33
dwidmannHmm, not sure09:34
Dell-Netdwidmann do u have any solution ?09:34
dwidmannDell-Net, which video driver are you using?09:34
Dell-Netnvidia09:34
dwidmannversion?09:35
Dell-Net1.0-962909:35
dwidmannhmmm, I've not had any trouble with that either09:35
Dell-Netmaybee it helps to reinstall it09:35
dwidmannthough, it might still be worth it to update to the 1.9-9631 drivers09:36
dwidmann*1.009:36
Dell-Nethmm ok i gonna give it a try09:36
dwidmannenvy is a neat little tool if you haven't tried it, Dell-Net09:36
Dell-Netstrange when i dont had any problem with it before09:36
Dell-Netenvy?09:36
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Dell-Netok give that a try 2 :)09:39
dwidmann!envy | Dell-Net09:41
ubotuDell-Net: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy09:41
d0dgeHow to get DirectX9 for Wine?09:42
d0dgeI've been trying the WineCVS.sh but all I got is error on Make09:42
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d0dgeAny howtos or manuals ?09:43
usamahashimihello everyone!09:43
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usamahashimiwhat should I install or configure my kde so that when I hover my mouse to any audio file, kde can preview it (without clicking it, like gnome can do)?09:44
dwidmannusamahashimi: view -> preview -> sound files09:44
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dwidmannd0dge, might have more luck in #wine09:45
d0dgedwidmann: Oh, you're right09:45
usamahashimidwidmann: it is already selected09:45
dwidmannusamahashimi: that should be it, if it's still not working, try restarting konqui09:46
usamahashimiit is selected since the first day of installation, still i have to restart konq?09:46
dwidmannNot sure09:47
dwidmannalso, is it a file you can actually play back?09:47
usamahashimidwidmann: sorry?09:48
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dwidmanncan you play back the file normally in something else (amarok, kaffeine, etc) ... just checking because as we all know, mp3's can't be played back by default, and they happen to be rather popular so I thought I'd ask09:48
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usamahashimidwidmann: yes, i have installed restricted formats and can play ALL types of formats :)09:49
dwidmannhmm09:50
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usamahashimidwidmann: i tried to google but dont know what phrase i should i put in search box, google was misleading me, it was thinking that i want to buy a mouse :)09:51
dwidmannhahahaha, how silly of google09:52
JOSFHow do I revert to the last installed version of a package ? Installed some libcairo update and gkrellm crashes on it. So I want the last libcairo back again.09:52
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usamahashimidwidmann: after all google is not human :)09:52
dwidmannthat's right, google is a god, and google decided you wanted to buy a mouse today (kidding)09:53
usamahashimidwidmann: so can you tell me any solution of that problem?09:53
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dwidmanndo you want the good news or the bad from my little test?09:54
usamahashimiboth :)09:54
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dwidmannthe good news is that preview worked great for me on ogg and wav files09:55
dwidmannare you sure you still want the bad?09:55
usamahashimithat it did not worked for mp3 and other files?09:55
dwidmannand that is correct, show him what he has won!09:56
dwidmanni'm not sure why, I'll have to consult the mighty google for information ;)09:56
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usamahashimii won my lunch, cuse i am going for lunch :)09:56
usamahashimithanks by the way09:56
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Dell-Netyeap I installed envy and then the newest driver and now it works again thank you very much :)09:57
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dwidmannDell-Net, good to hear it09:57
Dell-Net:)09:57
dwidmannI had to redo my drivers an hour or so ago, seems there was an xorg update this week10:00
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Dell-Netyeah?10:01
dwidmannyeah ... it took me a few minutes of playing to figure out why X crashed after being up for about 10 seconds10:03
dwidmann(every time)10:03
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Dell-Nethmm ok seems to have been i update then10:04
Dell-Netwhen i locked my computer it crashed10:04
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swenewbie I will move some files from kubuntu machine A to B and I think about using shared folder. Do i need to install samba or what ??10:07
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dwidmannswe: you could use nfs10:08
dwidmannof course, sama would also work10:08
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dwidmann*samba10:09
sweyes but what is easiest ... I found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo?highlight=%28nfs%2910:09
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kkosmo!samba10:11
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT10:11
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crazy_busktorrent loads from a new user10:11
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ArtOfBlueexcuse, anyone know hot to make my iroffer work on ubuntu ?10:12
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dannyhello does anyone know how to put some programs on a DVD so that i dont have to download them from the repositories?10:12
kkosmowhat you want to do danny i dont understand10:12
kkosmoyou want10:12
kkosmoto see dvd10:13
kkosmoor to make10:13
jpiccoloWhat is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running10:13
kkosmo?10:13
jpiccolokernel?10:13
kkosmolocate stdio.h10:13
kkosmotry10:13
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dannykkosmo: for example i want to use the program atanks, but i am not connected to the internet - how do i put it on a dvd so that i could install it from there?10:14
kkosmooo man i dont know about that sorry are you want to burn it on dvd10:15
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dannykkosmo: yes exactly - i want to burn it on a dvd so i dont have to download it again and again everytime i reinstall kubuntu10:15
kkosmoso burn it what the problem10:16
ArtOfBlueAnyone here that can help me set up iroffer ? I would really appreciate the help10:16
dannykkosmo: i install using apt-get install - do you mean to say that i should just burn the files?10:17
kkosmono when you install in apt the install file is saved10:17
kkosmoburn the install file10:17
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dannykksmo: ok thanks i will see if i can locate the files that i need10:19
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kkosmohere /var/cache/apt/archives/10:20
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dannykkosmo: ok thanks :) :)10:22
kkosmono problem10:22
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jpiccoloanyone have vmware server running?10:31
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startswithzhow do I enable/disable desktop icons in KDE?10:33
mineur[sleep] startswithz: rightclick on it... configure and then behaviour10:33
mineur[sleep] ok I'm awakez now :p10:34
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startswithzthanks10:35
mineurnp10:35
jpiccolomineur: you ever get vmware-server up?10:35
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mineurno, sorry10:36
jpiccolook10:36
jpiccoloi think it has a bug in it10:36
startswithzI'm trying to set up beryl but the window borders aren't showing up10:38
startswithzanyone have any ideas how to fix the problem?10:38
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mineuris beryl set as the window manager?10:39
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bertolinoGoede morgen!!10:49
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mineurhallo10:49
bertolinodit is mijn eerste irc ervaring...10:50
kkosmo!beryl10:50
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl10:50
bertolinospreekt er iemand nederlands?10:51
mineurja10:51
bertolinooh dat is wel plezant..10:52
mineurwaar kom je vandaan?10:53
bertolinoIk kom uit Belgi dicht bij de nederlandse grens10:54
mineurahzo10:54
stdin!de10:54
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de10:54
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mineurstdin: wrong :p10:54
mineur!be10:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:54
mineur!nl10:55
ubotuNederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl10:55
stdinwhy I did de10:55
mineur:p10:55
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mineurnot the same language :)10:55
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stdinI just thought it looked similar, I'm not an expert :P10:55
bertolinook, nog een fijne dag! ik moet nog wat werken!10:56
mineurhehe10:56
mineurhave fun bertolino :)10:56
kkosmostdin:10:56
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kkosmohow can i make shortcut that do some command?10:56
apokryphosEnglish only in here guys10:56
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stdinkkosmo: depends what command you want to do?10:57
kkosmoits dont change i only want to make the shortcut10:57
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jpiccoloi am running feisty how can i go back to edgy10:57
mineurfresh install :)10:58
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apokryphos!downgrade10:58
ubotuAttempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.10:58
kkosmo!shortcut10:58
ubotuKeyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net10:58
stdinkkosmo: do you want a shortcut to an application?10:58
jpiccolomineur, well how can i go to a older kernel10:59
kkosmoto close10:59
kkosmoapplication10:59
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kkosmosomthing like10:59
kkosmopkill amarok10:59
kkosmothis the command10:59
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kkosmostdin11:00
kkosmoyou know how to do taht11:00
andreaswstdin: tell me why they changed the password dialog in kde so it displayes solid dots11:00
kkosmothat11:00
andreaswstdin: usability seems to me no reason11:00
fuelhi i installed all the development packages for kde..........however kdehome and kdeprefix are not set11:00
fuelany ideas how to rectify it ?11:00
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stdinkkosmo: you have a couple choices, you can either make a "link to application" on the desktop with that as the command, or you can make a script with that line in it, then just double click it11:01
kkosmook11:02
stdinandreasw: I have no clue, ask in #kubuntu-devel (or for feisty #ubuntu+ )11:02
Tumppi-`umm I'm having a slight problem with my audio card11:03
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Tumppi-`when I reboot my computer, I can either hear music payed by amarok, or sounds coming from embedded internet videos, but not both :/11:03
Tumppi-`any idea what could be the problem?11:03
andreaswstdin: I will do so11:04
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norm_i'm sorry tumppi i don't ... maybe someone else in the room can help ya11:04
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Tumppi-`I have two soundcards, integrated soundmax and a soundblaster live 24-bit11:05
Tumppi-`can kubuntu handle both well11:05
Tumppi-`?*11:05
norm_perhaps, one is handling one, and the other the other11:05
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norm_i know my subwoofer has two imputs, i would try putting an audio out cable out of both cards and see if you can hear both11:06
norm_or, if your subwoofer or speakers do not, then11:06
norm_i would try to see, if you can hear one out of one, and the other out of the other11:06
norm_but that's a noob's suggestion11:07
norm_the other alternative is to remove the soundblaster or disable the onboard sound from the bios11:07
Tumppi-`actually I should've started by doing just that =)11:07
norm_just to eliminate that possibility11:07
Tumppi-`brb11:07
Tumppi-`its just that I usually use headphones on the intergrated one, and 5.1 speaker son the soundblaster11:08
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Tumppi-`All I would do in windows is change the output11:08
norm_well the alternative to THAT is to find a mixing board11:08
norm_and mix the sounds11:09
norm_but that's a large cost involved, mixing boards are not really that cheap11:09
norm_especially one that will segregate the sound11:09
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d0dgeOk I really need help right now :D, I '/etc/init.d/kdm stop', then installed nvidia drivers and rebooted, kdm is still running but I can't get to KDE anymore.11:10
d0dgeIt's like no X server running. But it says it's running.11:10
norm_have you tried startx?11:11
Tumppi-`well its seems that nothing is currently playing the internet video-sounds, since soundblaster outputs nothing, and soundmax plays amarok music11:11
d0dgenorm_: I'll try that now, thanks11:11
norm_hmmmm11:11
Tumppi-`should I just try removing the soundmax from the bios then? is it easy? I dont remember seeing that option in my bios :/11:12
d0dgenorm_: It gives me fatal server error.11:12
norm_well depending on the motherboard you use, it usually is11:12
d0dgeCan I use backup settings somehow?11:12
norm_i'm trying to remember the command to start kde11:12
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norm_it will usually say "onboard sound"  tumppi11:13
norm_then you just disable it, and then reboot11:13
norm_like i said, it's usually pretty simple11:13
norm_as far as dodge, i'm not sure how to fix your issue11:13
d0dgeHow can I use backup conf file? I found them at /etc/X11/11:13
stdind0dge: you can use the backup, or create a new one, but you may want to copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log so you can examine it later11:13
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norm_thank you stdin, i wasn't sure i could even come close to fielding that one11:14
Tumppi-`cp /etc/X11/"backup conf" /etc/X11/xorg.conf would it  be like that?11:14
d0dgestdin: Ok but how to use them?11:14
stdinheh, I've had experience with X errors before :P11:14
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norm_lol so have i, cept i just reinstall lol11:15
norm_<--- lazy11:15
stdind0dge: ok, so 1st you want to copy the log, so you can view it later "cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~/Xorg.0.log11:15
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Tumppi-`I too had x-errors after installing the nvidia drivers, just couple of days ago11:16
d0dgeok I copied11:16
stdind0dge: then you want to restore the xorg.conf file, if you have a backup you can just do "cd /etc/X11/" then "mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.broken" then "mv xorg.conf.(backup_file) xorg.conf"11:17
gabrieldainHi, I got myself into a very stupid problem. I messes up CUPS' configuration, an now it won't run, and I can't reinstall (missing, obsolete or only available from another source). Is there a way to go back to the default setting without going through the wizard (because it won't even start up).11:17
stdind0dge: then restart KDM, and you should be able to login again11:17
Jucatogabrieldain: you tried localhost:631?11:18
gabrieldainJucato, one sec11:18
gabrieldainJucato, unable to connect, cups is down11:18
Jucatois cupsd running11:19
Jucato?11:19
Jucatosudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start11:19
gabrieldainJucato, apparently starting11:20
gabrieldainJucato, looks stalled11:20
gabrieldainJucato, oh, it wasn't11:20
gabrieldainJucato, ok, I can't configure from the System Settings window, but I can enter localhost:631. Any way of reversing my errors without having to do it one-by-one?11:21
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Jucatothat I wouldn't know... :(11:21
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Jucatobasically, the KDEPrint module in System Settings is a KDE frontend to the cups web interface in localhost:63111:22
norm_how'd it go tumppi?11:22
norm_i really need to get a copy of Kubuntu11:23
norm_i don't even run it11:23
Tumppi-`lets see, I disabled some "Onboard AC97 Audio DEVICE" =P11:23
dannykkosmo: hello , i put you in my blog is it ok?11:24
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kkosmook11:24
Tumppi-`um now that I've possibly disabled the soundmax soundcard, would I have to enable the soundblaster somehow?11:24
danny:) its at http://jolly-penguin.blogspot.com/11:24
norm_that's the soundmax tumppi11:25
norm_you did well11:25
kkosmook =[11:25
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norm_soundmax is TECHNICALLY an AC97 soundcard11:25
Tumppi-`Ill see if I can hear anything via the soundblaster now11:26
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Tumppi-`so far so good, at least amarok plays through soundblaster already11:27
Tumppi-`everything seems to work now =)11:28
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Tumppi-`internetvideos also play through soundblaster11:28
norm_good deal :D11:28
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Tumppi-`thanks for the help, norm_ =)11:28
norm_anytime dude11:28
norm_glad it's fixed man11:28
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d0dgestdin: Thanks for help!11:29
stdind0dge: no problem, when you look at the log file, you want to look at lines starting with "(EE)" those are errors :)11:30
d0dgeAlright11:30
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d0dgestdin: Btw, does 'app-defaults' in etc/X11 mean the default settings?11:33
stdind0dge: yeah, they are some defaults for some X apps, like xterm11:34
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waylandbillis there a way on the CLI to query the files a package installs?11:39
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stdinapt-file does that11:40
stdinapt-file show package11:40
Jucatoapt-file isn't installed by default11:40
stdin(you need to install it)11:40
Jucatobut "dpkg -c <.deb>" works too11:40
ubuntucan some one discuss/ help  "11:41
ubuntuSound server fatal error:11:41
ubuntucpu overload, aborting11:41
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Jucatowaylandbill: little Kubuntu/Konqueror trick.. use apt:/11:41
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stdinit's not CLI tho11:41
waylandbillyeah.. in Konq... I know about that. :-D11:41
Pensacolakatapult stopped being a calculator :s11:41
JucatoPensacola: Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure Katapult, Catalogs11:42
Pensacolaok thx11:42
Pensacolathat fixed it11:42
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Pensacolayou guys rock11:43
dannybuntuHello jucato11:43
Jucatohello dannybuntu11:43
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daveanyone here use ffmpeg to do avi -> dvd conversions? need help11:44
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dannybuntu:) which command do you do to make the fonts red?11:44
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Jucatodannybuntu: it's automatic, when somebody mentions your nick in the  text11:45
Jucatoonly you will be able to see it11:45
stdindannybuntu: red11:45
stdinnot red :P11:45
dannybuntu:)11:45
Vluidhello. does anyone know how to change the query language in kdict? i want to use german.11:45
daveanyone help in converting an AVI to DVD format??11:47
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Vluiddave: tovid or qdvdauthor. second is quite buggy, but when it works its great.11:49
dave<Vluid> do they decode AVI files and is tovid in dapper repositories?11:50
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banjogoodmorning all11:51
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stdin!info tovid dapper11:51
ubotuPackage tovid does not exist in dapper11:51
banjoneed some help with psp11:51
dave<ubotu> Yes just had a check Grrr any other ideas?11:51
dannybuntu!info filelight dapper11:52
ubotufilelight: show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99beta6-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 317 kB, installed size 856 kB11:52
dannybuntucool11:52
Vluiddave: tovid isnt actually a "program", it is a script. you can easily install it from their page http://tovid.berlios.de/en/11:52
dave<banjo> do u mean p2p?11:52
dave<Vluid> Oh so what's do??11:53
stdindave: there is also kmediafactory11:53
stdin!info kmediafactory dapper11:53
ubotukmediafactory: template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2330 kB, installed size 5944 kB11:53
dave<vluid> just going there now :)11:53
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Vluiddave: but i would use qdvdauthor. you can make more sophisticated menus with it11:54
stdinthere is also devede11:55
stdin!devede11:55
ubotudevede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 243 kB, installed size 664 kB11:55
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stdinpick and choose what works for you :)11:56
JOSFI have problems with an update of libcairo2. How do I recert to my last installed version ?11:57
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dave<vluid> I'm after a "simple" convert AVI file to dvd compatible format then burn with K3b, not really after menus etc11:59
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bartistg'day mates12:01
Vluiddave: qdvdauthor, devede, tovid, ... ...12:01
Vluiddave: install and try them12:01
bartistwhat is the comand to check what is my kernel version12:01
bartist?12:01
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Vluidbut again does anyone know how to chnge the query language in kdict to german.12:02
chavobartist, uname -r12:02
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bartistchavo it says 2.6.17-10-generic12:03
bartisti want to know if its 386 or 68612:03
davedo these use ffmpeg or memcode? got ffmpeg but it doesn't know about AVI files and i don't know why!!!12:03
Vluidchavo: uname -a12:03
stdin!generic | bartist12:04
Vluiddave: ?12:04
ubotubartist: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)12:04
chavo-a is all, -r is kernel version12:04
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bartistLinux bartist-laptop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i68612:05
bartisti installed 68612:06
bartisthow can it be it also mention smp?12:06
ForgeAushey all :)12:06
chavoi think all kernels do smp now12:06
stdinbartist: the -generic kernel is for all, and it also has smp built in12:06
bartistok i am rending the article from the bot stdin12:07
Vluidbartist: generic!12:07
bartisti am reading sorry..12:07
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Vluidbartist: np12:10
startswithzI can't get kde to install the codecs necessary to allow me to watch AVI movies12:10
bartistwell guys the last days i've been bothering you about my sound problems12:10
Jucato!libxine-extracodecs | startswithz12:10
ubotulibxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB12:10
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ForgeAusjucato which actual codecs are they?12:11
bartisti've discovered that my Intel AC97 sound card with realtek chipset is not supported by edgy12:11
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ForgeAusavi what else?12:11
startswithzwell I can see the libxine codecs in adept installer but they are no selectable12:11
bartisthowever it worked with dapper12:11
bartistso I am going to install dapper12:11
Jucatostartswithz: you need to enable multiverse12:11
Jucato!multiverse | startswithz12:12
ubotustartswithz: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu12:12
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JucatoForgeAus: sudo apt-cache show libxine-extracodecs: "This packages just contains the following plugins for xine:* xineplug_decode_faad.so * xineplug_decode_ff.so * xineplug_decode_mad.so12:12
bartist!universe | bartist12:12
ubotubartist: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu12:12
startswithzalright cool12:12
startswithzthanks guys I just really needed that link12:12
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Alarmwhat is getty ?12:14
JOSFI have problems with an update of libcairo2. How do I recert to my last installed version ?12:14
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stdinAlarm: it's what allows you to login to a console12:15
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Alarmokie . thanks12:15
JucatoJOSF: first, "apt-cache policy libcairo2" to list the available versions. take note of the version number (Edgy's default is 1.2.4-1ubuntu2). then try "sudo apt-get install libcairo=1.2.4-1ubuntu2"12:16
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JOSFJucato: Thanks a lot!12:16
translation Can some one help regarding sound server?12:16
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Alarm does aio/1 and aio/2 have to do with sound ?12:16
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dave<vuild> i've found that there are 2 type of underlaying programs that do the decoding/encoding they are ffmpeg and mencode to see what i mean12:20
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Alarmi got a problem with kde. when i close the application , the sound still continues to plays and when i open the application again no picture is displayed. and dont manage to turn of the sound again12:21
JOSFJucato: http://rafb.net/p/lwylFX76.html12:22
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Alarmwhat proccess could i try to kill ?12:22
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Jucatoheh this should be a lesson to you to be very careful in adding non-standard repositories...12:23
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JucatoJOSF: the last one in the list is Ubuntu's12:24
JOSFYes, but it says it can't find it12:24
JOSFE: Version 1.2.4-1ubuntu2 for libcairo could not be found.12:24
startswithzwht can't I get the xine extra plug ins?12:25
stdinJOSF: "1.2.4-1ubuntu2 0" not "1.2.4-1ubuntu2"12:25
JOSFoh, ok12:25
startswithzthe icon is not selectable in adept installer12:25
stdinopps, no I was wrong actually12:25
stdinJOSF: you could download the deb and install manually12:26
JOSFstdin: will try, since this: sudo apt-get install "libcairo=1.2.4-1ubuntu2 0" gives an "not found" error as well12:26
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JucatoJOSF: don't include the last 012:28
stdinJOSF: are you sure it's "libcairo" not "libcairo2" ?12:28
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Jucatoer.. my bad.. the command was wrong :P12:29
=== stdin see Jucato did :)
Jucatolibcairo2...12:29
Jucatohehe12:29
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JOSFI used yours Jucato. There was an error: It is sudo apt-get install libcairo2=1.2.4-1ubuntu2 and not sudo apt-get install libcairo=1.2.4-1ubuntu2 ;-)12:30
Jucatoyeah. my bad...12:30
JOSFoh, yes, ok, anyway, it worked :-)12:30
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Valmarko...12:33
dopezhello12:36
dopezsince i've build in a second disc with 2 partitions, only the second partition appears on the desktop as an icon, how do i remove it and why is only the second icon visible ?12:37
Valmarkohello12:37
dopez(it's not just in the Desktop directory)12:37
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Valmarko!ext312:43
ubotuext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org12:43
Valmarkovalmarko12:44
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dvayanuhi12:47
dvayanucan someone give a helpful hint how to run flash on a x86_64?12:48
dvayanuwithin a 64 bit firefox12:48
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stdinmaybe with gnash, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash <<-- Look at the AMD64 section12:49
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dvayanuthx12:50
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Ayabarahow can I turn off the system beep in kubuntu without deactivating the internal speaker?12:51
ubuntuwitam wszyskich12:51
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stdin!pl12:51
ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl12:51
ubuntudzieki12:52
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lotusleafdo the kubuntu.org repos have a specific changelog location (url?)?01:03
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Jucato!changelogs01:04
ubotuchangelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com01:04
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[StingRay] Hi, stdin :)01:04
lotusleafJucato: right, thanks, but sometimes there are updated packages @ kubuntu.org repo which aren't @ ubuntu repo01:05
lotusleafI'll check though and see, thanks ;)01:05
stdinhay [StingRay]  :)01:05
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Jucatolotusleaf: ah... you have to ask Riddell about that...01:05
lotusleafJucato: gotcha, thx ;)01:05
[StingRay] stdin, I made apt-get update and I haven't had any crash problems with wine and tightvnc all day :)01:07
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stdin[StingRay] : cool, lets just hope it stays like that :)01:08
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[StingRay] The stupid part with xmodmap remains however. If i use xmodmap .../xmodmap/xmodmap.us on :0 all is fine (I have the correspongin characters on all keystrokes), however if I do it on a tighvnc session every symbol is 3 positions on the left?01:09
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[StingRay] I have to remake the xmodmap.us and xmodmap.bg by hand,stdin...01:09
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stdinouch :P01:10
Riddelllotusleaf: they don't01:11
lotusleafRiddell: darn, thx =)01:11
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[StingRay] stdin, very strange...however I am happy that this can be fixed somehow :)01:11
stdinyeah, me too :)01:11
Ash-FoxWhere does one configure the default value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time on bootup?01:12
meduxa <meduxa> hi all: take a look at the apps included in meduxa (although it is a document in spanish you the names of those apps are the original ones)01:13
meduxa[12:12]  <meduxa> http://www.grupocpd.com/archivos_documentos/info_meduxa/meduxa_project_released/PloneArticle_view01:13
meduxathey are on two .pdf attachment01:14
stdinAsh-Fox: maybe add something like this to /etc/rc.local "echo [value]  > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time"01:14
Ash-Foxstdin, there was a configuration file in the past todo set this specific option in /etc, but I can't remember what it was.01:15
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Riddellmeduxa: can I add that to Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter?01:15
Ash-FoxI'd rather use the 'proper' method01:16
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meduxayes01:16
meduxado you want me to do something?01:16
mika__hey i have a question about KDE teme installation can anyone help me?01:16
mika__theme01:17
meduxamaybe give you the list in english would be better right?01:17
stdinAsh-Fox: it might be /etc/sysctl.conf01:18
stdin!theme01:18
ubotuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy01:18
Ash-Foxstdin, ah, thankyou! That's the config :P01:18
stdin!changethemes01:18
ubotu[Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.01:18
mika__its cool i know where to get them but i dont know how to install them, i have looked at a couple of forums and followed their advice but its still not working for me01:18
stdinAsh-Fox: heh, I couldn't remember either, had to look around /etc :P01:18
stdinmika__: look at the 2nd line from ubotu01:19
mika__yeah i am gonna check that out01:19
Ash-Foxstdin, yeah, I had been looking in /etc and for some reason it just didn't stand out :P01:19
Ash-FoxAnyway.. net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time was the value if I recall from memory01:20
Jucatomika__: check out that last link (CustomizeKubuntu)01:20
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meduxaRiddell: do you want the list in english?01:20
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mika__its come up with that the page dosent exist yet :(01:21
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Riddellmeduxa: I don't think it's too important, the app names are the same :)01:22
meduxaok01:22
Jucatomika__: let me check01:23
Jucatomika__: it exists. are you sure you got it right? (just click on it) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu01:23
stdinahh, it's the "." at the end of the link01:23
Jucatobah silly irc clients :P01:23
Alarmthe acrobat reader packages , is acrobat , or acroread ?01:24
mika__curses!!  thanks01:24
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Jucato!changethemes01:25
ubotu[Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu01:25
Jucatothat's better...01:25
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JucatoAlarm: KPDF :D01:25
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Alarm!acrobat01:25
Jucatoj/k... it's acroread, afaik01:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about acrobat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:25
Jucato!acroread01:25
ubotuacroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.8-0.0.ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 22368 kB, installed size 54692 kB (Only available for i386)01:25
AlarmJucato,  it doesnt work fine with some pdfs , thats the one i got. thats why i want to install acrobat reader01:25
Alarmso , acroreader is the package01:26
Alarmthanks01:26
Jucatoacroread, not acroreader01:26
Alarmyes acroread :)01:26
Alarmand acrobat thats what ?01:26
ForgeAusgrr acrobat :(01:26
ForgeAusbloatware from adobe01:26
Alarmokie dokie. thanks01:27
ForgeAusis there a better alternative? does something like evince do the same job?01:27
Jucatowhat kind of PDF can't KPDF read?01:28
ForgeAuskpdf? do I have that?01:28
ForgeAus(ie is installed in Kubuntu by default?)01:28
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stdindon't think it's default, no01:29
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ForgeAushehe sounds like it should be added tho :) I like the idea of a kpdf or k ps/eps/pdf multiformat viewer01:29
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Jucatoit is installed by default01:29
JucatoK Menu -> Graphics01:29
stdinok, so it is then :P01:30
Jucatoof course, it is :)01:30
ForgeAusyup kewl :)01:30
Jucatojust not in the place you expect it to be :P01:30
stdinwouldn't it be better placed in Utilities ?01:31
ForgeAusahh kpdf does ps as well!01:31
ForgeAusawesome01:31
ForgeAusie no need for adobe at all that I can see01:31
JucatoForgeAus: yes it does. or if you want a standalone PS reader, there's KGhostView01:32
ForgeAusjucato is there any advantage to that over kpdf?01:32
ForgeAus(mostly thinking of printing I guess)01:32
JucatoForgeAus: I encountered one (just one) PDF that would make kpdf crash, but opened properly in kghostview...01:33
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Jucatothat's the only advantage I could see01:33
ForgeAusis kile in any way related to these kinda formats?01:33
Jucatokile is for latex afaik01:34
ForgeAusyeah latex (ie TeX) but isn't dvi/ps/eps/pdf somehow related to TeX/bibtex etc?01:34
Jucatonot really sure01:35
ForgeAusfirst of all Tex is typesetting for things like non-standard characters, equations, etc? right?...01:35
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JucatoI'm not into kinky stuff :P01:36
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ForgeAusrofl well I"m new to it so I was just trying to get an overall picture...01:36
ForgeAusoh well01:36
ForgeAusthanx aynway01:36
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d0dgeCan't get my KDE running anymore >.<01:37
d0dgeafter installing Nvidia drivers01:37
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ForgeAusI thought Nvidia were better for linux than ATI (like mine)01:38
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tn-stdin ?01:40
d0dgeForgeAus: Hmm, how can I enable KDE?01:41
ForgeAusenable?... um can you get into another desktop like gnome?01:41
d0dgeForgeAus: I've tried /etc/init.d/kdm start / reload / restart01:41
ForgeAusand download kubuntu desktop or kde-core01:41
stdintn-: yes?01:41
ForgeAus???01:41
Jucatod0dge: how did you install the nvidia driver?01:42
d0dgeJucato: Stopped X server and installed01:42
ForgeAusif oyu can get to a terminal screen/prompt you can probably: sudo dpkg install <insert either of the two packages kde-core or kubuntu-desktop here> ... I think that would work01:42
tn-stdin: to you remember my problems about intel-hda sound driver ?01:42
Jucatod0dge: nvidia-glx?01:42
tn-I have new information :-/01:43
stdintn-: got it to work yet?01:43
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tn-as I left the computer shut down for a week-end, sound came back alone01:43
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tn-but it is still fading away with time !01:44
stdintn-: strange, that sounds like a hardware problem for sure01:44
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tn-I don't know01:44
tn-I'm working on embedded linux distros I'm building01:44
ForgeAusgrrr um how to uninstall mzscheme?01:44
tn-and I never saw that kind of behavior01:45
ForgeAusits got a service it runs which possibly may have been deleted but it messes with my apt-get01:45
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stdintn-: have you tried with another OS (win), and see if it still happens ?01:45
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tn-couldn't find the time to :(01:45
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tn-too much work by now01:45
tn-I'll try to let my boss touch the computer with is ugly w2k :)01:46
sadistic_kittenuh hi, I don't know exactly what happened, but all my personal settings just got messed up and it just reverted to default01:46
tn-+h01:46
stdinit sounds like one of the connections on the mb aren't right01:46
sadistic_kittenis there any way to do something like a system restore?01:46
sadistic_kittenI remember doing it before, but I can't remember how01:46
tn-I don't know : it's a closed box01:46
kkosmohi somone01:47
tn-we didn't even opened it01:47
kkosmohave some program to kde that record videos from the desktop01:47
kkosmo?01:47
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stdintn-: it could be something as simple as a component isn't soldered correctly01:47
tn-well sound wouldn't even work if it was so, no ?01:48
stdinkkosmo: recordmydesktop in the repos or "xvidcap" (not in the repso)01:48
tn-we're designing our own ARM board and if a component is not well soldered, it simply don't work01:48
tn-so I think it would be the same on an intel mobo01:49
kkosmostdin what the respoties of this software01:49
stdintn-: no it would work, but if the solder was loose or something, it may do what you're describing01:49
tn-well maybe01:49
tn-I'll see with our electronicians :)01:49
tn-I'll tell you more later01:50
tn-thanks01:50
tn-see you later01:50
stdinkkosmo: look here http://popey.com/Creating_Screencasts01:50
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sadistic_kittenstdin, you wanna help me quickly if it's not too much trouble?01:50
stdinsadistic_kitten: depends on the problem01:51
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kkosmostdin01:51
sadistic_kittendo you know how to do something like a system restore?01:51
kkosmoits not take a lot of cpu01:51
kkosmo?01:51
kkosmoi have not best computer01:51
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stdinkkosmo: recordmydesktop is better then01:51
kkosmowhere i can get it01:51
stdinsadistic_kitten: unless you backed-up your ~/.kde directory, no01:52
stdin!recordmydesktop01:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about recordmydesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:52
stdinhmm, 1 sec01:52
kkosmoright01:52
stdinok, so it's in the fiesty repos, but not the edgy ones :P01:53
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kkosmodamn01:53
sadistic_kittenargh that sucks so much, I remember doing it on a linux box, and I'm pretty sure it was kubuntu (although it was possible SuSE)01:54
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stdinkkosmo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29460501:55
kkosmoman its for dappar01:55
kkosmoooo01:55
stdinsadistic_kitten: afaik there is no system restore feature unless you install one01:55
kkosmodown01:55
sadistic_kittenbah01:55
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sadistic_kittenkk thanx anyway01:56
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stdineveryone learns to backup sooner or later :)01:56
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kkosmostdin:02:00
kkosmo?02:00
kkosmoyou can give me the respoties02:00
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kkosmoi cant get into the fourm02:00
kkosmoi dont register02:00
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tobias_:)02:03
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tobias_any1 else here having trouble downloading the supergamer2 iso from torrent?02:04
markus_hi... why can't I see more than the home and media folder in kde konqueror when I select the tab "rootfolder"? The same think, when I save a file in firefox or want to search for a program to open with... I am not able to enter the folder /usr/bin for example02:04
Riddellmeduxa: feel free to join us in #kubuntu-devel to hang out with the developers02:05
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Jucato!hidden | markus_02:07
ubotumarkus_: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles02:07
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markus_ah, thx :)02:07
Jucatomarkus_: you are still able to enter those. either show hidden files or enter the direct path02:08
markus_yes, but it won't work with the file save dialog from firefox, would it?02:08
Jucatoit would02:08
Jucatoyou can right-click -> Show Hidden Files in Firefox as well (iirc)02:09
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markus_oh okay, Jucato. it works. thanks a lot :-)02:11
sahin_hHi, I just tried Kubuntu Herd-2. I realized kcontrol acting really weird.02:11
sahin_hkcontrol contains only two empty items02:11
stdin_for feisty issues #ubuntu+102:12
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sahin_hOk. Thanks.02:12
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Alarmwhen opening the proccess table i dont see any process listed and all i can see is at the bottom: 88888Processes, Memory: 8888888 , kb used: 888888  Swap: 888888 . also trying to run ps -x doesnt show any resutls at all. it doesnt respont actually02:18
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Alarmi had a problem with kdetv application and after closing the application that appeared .02:19
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tobias_it would be so cool if all the games on linuxgames.com were added to repositories so I could install them with adept :D02:25
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tobias_is there a gaming repository?02:25
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Newbsterhello02:26
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kkosmohi02:27
Newbsterhi can you tell me how to delete a folder - i cant delete it02:27
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Newbsterits name is .trash-0 and its on another hard disk02:28
stdin_what error do you get?02:28
Newbsterin konqueror its Access denied to /media/hdb/.Trash-0.02:29
stdin_what filesystem is it?02:29
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Newbsterstdin: someone told me that it can be deleted through the konsole - its ext302:29
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stdin_if it's ext3 then it would need to be deleted by the user that owns it, or by root02:30
Newbsterstdin: but when i type ls it doesn't show the directory02:30
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Newbsterstdin: ummm.. i own it02:30
Newbsteri guess...sort of02:30
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stdin_dot (.name) files/directories are hidden02:31
stdin_ls -A will show it02:31
Newbsterstdin: aight that did it - then?02:31
stdin_who owns it? root?02:31
Newbsteryep02:31
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Newbsterstdin: forgive me coz im a newbster - how do i delete a hidden folder again as root?02:32
stdin_Newbster, use "sudo rmdir .Trash-0" if it's emply, or "sudo rm -r .Trash-0" if not02:32
stdin_Newbster, in Konqueror you can just do View -> Show hidden files02:33
syfer83d02:33
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Newbsterstdin: the hdd is making crunch crunch sounds02:33
stdin_it's probably because it's being accessed02:34
Newbsterstdin: w00t it worked!02:34
Newbsterstdin: thank you thank you thank you02:34
stdin_heh, no problem :)02:35
Newbster=] 02:35
syfer83stop02:35
syfer83!stop02:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about stop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:35
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Newbster!kmobiletools02:38
ubotukmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 128 kB, installed size 484 kB02:38
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Newbster!df02:41
ubotuGraphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T02:41
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tobias_I was wondering if the wine in adept is the latest, its called "0.9.9" while on the wine homepage it is called "0.9.29"02:41
tobias_?02:41
Newbster!wine02:42
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.02:42
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stdin_tobias_, it's not the latest, but it's the most stable on ubuntu02:42
tobias_aah02:42
tobias_cool02:42
tobias_stdin: does it work?02:42
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stdin_depends what you mean by "work"02:43
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tobias_hehe02:43
tobias_I want to play heroes 302:43
tobias_or four02:43
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stdin_have a look on the wine application database, on the wine website02:43
tobias_is it like i write "wine setup.exe" and it installs just like in evil xdows02:43
draremcan I disable the touchpad on my laptop, or at least decrease the sensitivity?  I'm using an external mouse02:43
tobias_ok02:43
tobias_thanx02:44
stdin_np02:44
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tobias_Im gettin wine tralala, gonna waste my time.. :D02:45
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Newbstertobias: you like fantasy turn based games? try battle for wesnoth02:48
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Newbstertobias: some versions of Heroes might work02:50
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Newbstertobias: here check this out02:50
Newbsterhttp://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=39402:50
ForgeAushmm heroes of might and magic uner wine... thats interesting02:51
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Newbsterhavent played that though for ages02:51
kkosmo!crossover02:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about crossover - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:52
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icheynedoes anyone here use a Radeon 9250 or other 92** card?02:53
kkosmohi somone can help me how i can02:54
kkosmoinstall ietab02:54
kkosmoin linux02:54
stdin_ietab?02:55
kkosmoextanison for firefox02:55
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dopehow do i access and edit the user list from the console?02:55
stdin_kkosmo: is that the one to open a internet explorer tab?02:55
kkosmoyes02:56
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stdin_dope: depends what you want to do, to vesw users look at /etc/passwd, to add users user adduser02:56
dopei need to edit a password02:57
stdin_dope: for a user who isn't you?02:57
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tobias_is it possible to make my main partition bigger?02:58
dopei'm logging in as root02:58
dopecause i forgot the pw to my account02:58
tobias_I got a biig partition, and I got a small main partition02:58
alcopopanyone know if GParted LiveCD is easy for a beginner to use for diskimage making ?02:58
alcopopi understand it uses dd02:58
stdin_dope: use "passwd username"02:58
dopealcopop: yea it's fairly simple02:58
stdin_kkosmo, why do you want it, IE is only for windows02:58
tobias_my small main partition only has 7 gigs so the best would be to merge my giant partition with my small default installation partition, but is it possible without deleting any files?02:59
alcopopcuz ppl were telling me 'dd' is hard for beginners to use02:59
kkosmodamn02:59
kkosmowindows dont work on my computer02:59
kkosmoand02:59
kkosmomy brother02:59
dopestdin_: i don't quite understand02:59
kkosmowant to enter to site that soppurted only in windows02:59
stdin_dope: you are logged in as root?02:59
dopecorrect02:59
dopeand i'm in that file02:59
dopeand i see my username02:59
tobias_what is kubuntus version of pqmagic?03:00
stdin_kkosmo: complain to the website, or you can try installing IE in wine03:00
kkosmoi dont have time to complain to the website03:00
stdin_dope: to set a password, you don't use that file03:00
tobias_!partition03:00
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter03:00
dopeoh03:00
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stdin_dope: just use the cammand "passwd [username] "03:01
dopewell what file do i use then?03:01
stdin_dope, you don't use any file03:01
dopeah nice03:01
dopethx03:01
stdin_np03:01
dopei just got a little confused03:01
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stdin_the /etc/passwd files stores usernames, not passwords (anymore)03:02
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tobias_wow03:03
tobias_if I use qparted and resize my extended partition, will it affect my linux-swap or my ext3 partition inside that extended partition?03:03
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tobias_!qparted03:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:04
tobias_!qtparted03:04
ubotuqtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB03:04
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stdin_reside the logical partitions, if you change the extended one, you could damage the partitions inside it03:05
stdin_*resize03:05
tobias_but the logical partitions doesnt have the option to rezise03:05
tobias_except the swap partiton03:05
tobias_but thats only one gig03:05
tobias_I want my giant 30 gig to be 20 and to put that extra space in my dev/hda103:06
tobias_so I can play games03:06
tobias_:)03:06
kkosmostdin03:06
kkosmobut03:06
kkosmoin wine03:06
stdin_try gparted, and make sure you arent using the disk03:06
kkosmowhy the internet explorer03:06
kkosmojumping03:06
tobias_aha03:06
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kkosmoflickring03:07
kkosmo?03:07
kkosmoi can fix it03:07
tobias_I must unmount it first then, will resizing it delete the data on it, or is it trouble free like partitionmagic?03:07
stdin_kkosmo: I don't know, I don't use wine03:07
kkosmook03:07
stdin_kkosmo: maybe ask in #winehq03:07
Newbsterkkosmo: i think it is universal it happens to me too when i tried ies4linux03:07
tobias_wow03:07
tobias_there is a #winehq03:07
tobias_nice03:07
tobias_XD03:08
kkosmoi can fix it03:08
stdin_tobias_, if you only have 1 disk, and you are booted from it, use a live CD to repartition03:08
kkosmonewbster03:08
kkosmo?03:08
tobias_aha03:08
Newbsterkkosmo: yes?03:08
tobias_thanx stdin03:08
kkosmohow03:08
kkosmo?03:08
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stdin_tobias_: no problem :)03:08
tobias_now to find my ubuntu cd ;)03:08
tobias_kubuntu even03:08
Newbsterkkosmo: sorry man, i dont know03:09
stdin_there is a gparted cd too :)03:09
tobias_I probably borrowed it to some lucky people03:09
Newbsterkkosmo: theres not much news in ies4linux website either03:09
os2macis there anyone here from "the company"03:09
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os2macI would REALLY like to be able to use my wireless nick in the upcoming version of Kubuntu without having to use an additional software. I am not a programmer. I am willing however to install the current (or additional test builds) on my computer to allow for feedback of trouble shooting03:12
os2macI have a Broadcom NIC and BCM43xx-fw doesn't install correctly on my machine when I use the current herd CD.03:12
vgeos2mac: welcome to i hate broadcom club03:13
os2macI have gone beyond that... I am willing to do what ever it takes to make it happen.03:13
os2macincluding installing software that I know doesn't work to allow for a development testing platform.03:13
Newbsterlike windows03:14
os2macI am a UNIX admin. I need to use some form of *NIX at home because it's frustrating to me to switch back and forth from work to home. but I am NOT a programmer.03:14
Newbster!kilpper03:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kilpper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:15
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Newbster!klipper03:15
os2mac!klipper03:15
ubotuklipper: clipboard utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 271 kB, installed size 940 kB03:15
tek_hey03:15
Newbsterthanks03:15
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Newbster!krfb03:17
ubotukrfb: Desktop Sharing for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 921 kB, installed size 1644 kB03:17
Newbsterwow this exclamation point thing is amazing03:18
Newbster!kwin03:18
ubotukwin: the KDE window manager. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 997 kB, installed size 3284 kB03:18
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Newbsterhmmm what if i try this03:19
Newbster!windows03:19
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents03:19
Newbsterloool03:19
Newbster!billgates03:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about billgates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:20
stdin_!botabuse03:20
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...03:20
Newbsteroops ok sorry03:20
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stdin_just keeps the channel open for support requests :)03:21
Newbsterbut you have to admit ubotu does a pretty fine job compared to the faqs at ubuntu03:21
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Newbsterfast reliable information03:22
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chihhi03:29
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tibbar!smb tibbar03:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about smb tibbar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:30
tibbar!sambazasmb tibbar03:30
stdin!samba | tibbar03:31
ubotutibbar: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT03:31
tibbarthanks03:31
stdinnp :)03:31
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shankygood afternoon03:32
tobias_does wine 0.9.29 work with kubuntu?03:32
tobias_wine 0.9.9 is crap03:32
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kkosmodamn03:34
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kkosmoi faild03:34
kkosmoto install internet explorer03:34
kkosmoits too bad03:34
Newbsterwhat version kkosmo?03:34
kkosmonot in wine03:35
tobias_check out the winehq page for compability issues with internet explorer, I remember seeing it listed there which version works03:35
kkosmoin les4linx03:35
kkosmowhat i need to install 603:35
kkosmoor 503:35
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kkosmo?03:35
tobias_it says on the winehq page I guess03:35
kkosmodamn my brother03:36
tobias_ooh03:36
kkosmowait to that03:36
krautmoin03:36
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Newbsterkkosmo: i will try too after i install swiftfox plug inx03:37
Newbsters03:37
kkosmowhat03:37
kkosmoswiftfox03:37
kkosmo?03:37
Newbster!swiftfox03:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about swiftfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:37
tobias_!wine03:38
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.03:38
kkosmo!recordmydesktop03:38
Newbsterer...ok its a firefox which is more customized for your processor03:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about recordmydesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:38
kkosmook03:38
kkosmoand he can run sites for internet explorer03:38
kkosmoshit03:39
Newbsterwell no03:39
kkosmowhat i do now03:39
Newbsterwhich site do you want to go to?03:39
kkosmolivegoal03:39
kkosmoits israli site03:39
Newbsterlemme check03:40
kkosmomy brother03:40
kkosmonot03:40
kkosmome03:40
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Newbsterwhat url?03:41
kkosmowww.livegoal.co.il03:41
kkosmothe site is work03:41
kkosmobut in side its need to show games03:41
kkosmobut it not03:41
shankyafter edit /etc/hostname must I reboot?03:41
shankyI'm trying to update from dapper to edgy using update-manager03:42
kkosmonewbster03:42
kkosmoyou do it03:42
kkosmo?03:42
Newbsterkkosmo: i cant read it03:43
kkosmoi know03:43
kkosmobut in side03:43
shankyI have a problem with gethostbyname so I have to change my hostname03:43
kkosmoyou get a game scors03:43
kkosmo0-003:43
kkosmo1-003:43
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kkosmono right03:43
Newbsterok i will try for you i will install ies4linux03:43
tobias_oh btw03:43
stuffidhello...all...03:44
tobias_firefox can emulate internet exploder03:44
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tobias_so that the site thinks ur using internet explorer any version u want03:44
tony_hello...having a problem...azureus was working fine...than it crashed for some reason and now everytime it starts up it immediately shuts down...I don't understand03:44
TheGateKeeperthere is a firefox extension for that03:44
tobias_yupp03:45
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kkosmowhat the name03:45
kkosmoi try that03:45
tobias_kkosomo: i think its default in the program, let me check03:45
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tony_can anyone help out or point to a place where I can find the answer...thanks so much03:45
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kkosmohow much problems i have03:46
kkosmodamn03:46
TheGateKeeperkkosmo,  User Agent Switcher03:46
TheGateKeepergoogle for that03:47
K-Ryan!azureus | tony_03:47
ubotutony_: azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo03:47
K-RyanYou can try there03:47
tony_i will thanks03:47
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K-RyanOtherwise a restart might do it03:48
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K-RyanI had a problem like that with a different program.03:48
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K-RyanRestarting fixed it03:48
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tobias_kkosmo: actually its konqueror that comes with automatic "pretending to be any browser" function03:48
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shankyany idea about the hostname?03:48
tobias_kkosmo: you just push the "tools" menu item and u will se it on the bottom03:49
mikkihow do i view  a .daa file ?03:49
tobias_kkosmo: probably the addon for firefox will let u see more pages since firefox seems to read pages better sometimes03:49
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tobias_kkosmo: I dont know about that one tho, but konqueror might work fine so try that first :)03:50
kkosmoi try03:50
kkosmobut its not work03:50
kkosmoshit03:50
slestakive been having problems for +1 week wrt us repositories.  failed downloads, name resolution, all other apps are fine.  i switched one laptop to use ca repositories and all is well.  are the us repos down or overused, or misconfiogured?  is there a status page from canonical or some way to see system-wide repo status?03:50
tobias_humf03:50
K-Ryanslestak, I'm new but I03:52
K-Ryanam in the US and my repos are working fine.03:52
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tobias_is there a difference between how I add repositories in kubuntus adept and synaptic?03:54
K-Ryanas long as you add it correctly and in the right file, it shouldn't03:54
slestaktobias_: results should b the same, but the tools are a little different03:54
tobias_cant find the new wine files even tho I added the "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main" rep03:55
K-Ryan!wine | tobias_03:55
ubotutobias_: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.03:55
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tobias_k-ryan: me knows03:55
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mikkihow do i view  a .daa file ?03:55
tobias_k-ryan: my question is more connected to adept03:55
K-Ryantobias_ Just making sure03:55
Newbster!synaptic03:56
ubotusynaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto03:56
K-Ryantobias_: if it doesn't work from synaptic, try it with Adept03:56
K-RyanI did it that way and the repo worked03:56
tobias_should I replace the "main" part with "universe multiverse" ? in adept of course, I like adept :)03:56
tobias_aha03:57
K-RyanI think you are supposed to03:57
tobias_I am, cool03:57
K-RyanI'll check the wine page03:57
K-Ryannope,  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main03:57
tobias_k-ryan but that is for synaptic03:58
tobias_k-ryan it doesnt say how it works in adept03:58
K-RyanBy Adept you mean the Add/Remove Programs?03:58
tobias_adept is a nice package manager just like synaptic03:58
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tobias_just I like adept better03:58
Xerasynaptic is better imo03:58
Xerafaster, stabler03:59
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K-RyanI have Adept for package managing03:59
tobias_xera: I think adept is prettier03:59
Xeralol03:59
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tobias_:)03:59
Newbsterpretty03:59
uranoswenas03:59
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uranoscomo andamos03:59
Xera!foreign04:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about foreign - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:00
K-Ryan!es04:00
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.04:00
tobias_lol04:00
uranoshi04:00
Xera!ew > uranos04:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ew - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:00
Xeraoops04:00
Xera!es > uranos04:00
XeraXD04:00
tobias_pretty is good! we want the xsoft users to have a safe arrival04:00
Xeraum04:00
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K-RyanXera you mean...04:01
K-Ryan!es | uranos04:01
ubotuuranos: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.04:01
Xerayes04:01
Xeralol04:01
K-Ryan;)04:01
tobias_what is the wine package from deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main called in adept?04:02
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tobias_or synaptic04:02
K-Ryanwine?04:02
K-Ryanim pretty sure04:02
tobias_!adept tobias_04:02
ubotuadept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB04:02
tobias_damn04:02
tobias_no help file04:02
JucatoK-Ryan: | <nick> pipes the message to <nick>, making it appear in here. '>' sends the message in a pm04:03
Newbstercan anyone tell me why this happens when i do a 'sudo apt-get install wine' WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!04:03
K-RyanAh, so either works04:03
JucatoK-Ryan: yep04:03
K-RyanThanks jucato04:03
JucatoNewbster: it means that you need a key to authenticate/verify that the source is a trusted source04:03
Jucatounfortunately, the wine website doesn't give that key...04:04
Newbsterso you mean to say that i could not be sure if my wine installation is good?04:04
K-RyanI think regardless it's Wine04:04
Jucatonot really04:04
JucatoNewbster: it just means that the system doesn't know that you allowed this new repository to be added04:05
K-RyanBut that's just what I think, don't quote me on it.04:05
Newbsterok thanks04:05
NewbsterK-Ryan: lol04:05
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K-Ryan=P04:05
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tobias_where can I find more cool repositories?04:07
tobias_Specifically GAMES! yay!04:07
K-RyanYeah the package is just called wine04:07
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tobias_I found it :)04:07
Jucatotobias_: Ubuntu has around 20,000 packages in its repositories...04:07
K-RyanYeah you just need to look through them04:08
tobias_it seems that adept removed the stupid old version of wine that was previously offered04:08
K-RyanOr get the tags to work, I can't drag them from the availible =(04:08
tobias_and just replaced it with the new one04:08
tobias_I forgot to look at first.04:08
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K-Ryantobias_ you can go for the abuse package04:09
K-Ryanside scroller shoot em up04:09
tobias_k-ryan: oh cool :)04:09
tobias_k-ryan I will04:09
JucatoNewbster: download the GPG file from http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ then, in the directory where you downloaded it, run "sudo apt-key add <GPG file>"04:09
K-Ryani played it on windows going to test it on here now04:09
K-Ryanlet you know if it's good =P04:09
Newbsterits like duke nukem the other way around04:10
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Newbsteryou look like predator04:10
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tobias_lol it sounds cool04:10
tobias_Im gonna try04:10
Newbsterjucato: ok i will dl it after i install ies4linux04:11
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Newbsterlol04:12
Newbsterim doing it for kkosmo04:12
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Newbsterwho is also doing it for his brutha04:12
K-Ryanyeah tobias_ abuse is worth getting04:12
Newbsterkkosmo: still there man?04:14
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eMaXhi all04:18
eMaXOT: anyone here happens to have a sat receiver?04:18
[StingRay] stdin, can you please tell me if I can edit the default commands for changing of language layouts in  Control Center ->Regional & Accessability-> Keyboard Layout04:18
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[StingRay] You can see the commands at the bottom, but cannot change them, stdin.04:19
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ringtonehi all04:22
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ringtonesomebody can help04:22
ringtoneme04:22
K-RyanIf you tell us the problem, maybe someone can =P04:22
ringtonek ryan..04:22
mpathyHi there.. I want to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu.. But I have to know if all things I want to have are available or usable there the same way or with similar programs!04:23
ringtoneif i want to get update my kubuntu software04:23
ringtonewhat the right command must i type in console ?04:23
K-Ryanmpathy for the most part everything you use on ubuntu can be used on kubuntu and vice versa04:23
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K-Ryanringtone do you mean upgrade to 6.10, or normal updates?04:24
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ringtoneno system update04:24
K-Ryansystem update, I'm not sure I know what you mean04:24
ringtonebut, only want to download software04:24
mpathy1. Clicking on Calendar, enter sth., get remindend (like with evolution) 2. some hw stats (like temperature etc.) in the taskbar http://computertemp.berlios.de/ 3. tv programm via the taskbar like with onTV04:24
ringtoneapt-get update ?04:25
ringtonelike this ?04:25
K-RyanLike that?04:25
mpathyand other little gimmicks, that I really wouldnt miss..04:25
K-Ryantype sudo apt-get update04:25
ringtonek-ryan : can I private messange u04:25
K-Ryanmpathy you should be able to get similar programs if not use the same ones04:25
K-Ryansure ringtone04:25
K-RyanHowever I'm not too experienced with this, only been using this for 2 days or so.04:26
mpathyK-Ryan: Are Gnome Taskbar-Applets compatible with KDE?04:26
Newbster!kontact | mpathy04:26
ubotukontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1574 kB, installed size 3400 kB04:26
ringtoneregister ?04:26
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K-Ryanmpathy I think so, I haven't tried taskbar-applets04:26
K-RyanBut I know the normal programs are.04:26
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Newbster!korganizer | mpathy04:27
ubotukorganizer: KDE personal organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1530 kB, installed size 4596 kB04:27
mpathyNewbster: I know what Kontact is.. I want to now if under KDE I have the same great task applet functionality like in Gnome04:27
Newbster!superkaramba | mpathy04:27
ubotumpathy: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org04:27
ringtoneryan : why if i login as user $ and type su04:27
KaljakoppaHi, could somebody assist me with the installation (I'm running a live CD)?04:27
ringtonepassword : .....04:27
mpathyNewbster: I also know what Superkaramba is04:27
ringtonethis error messange04:27
K-RyanKaljakoppa I'll help just give me one second04:27
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K-Ryanringtone type it exactly like this without quotes "sudo apt-get update04:28
Jucato!sudo | ringtone04:28
uboturingtone: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.04:28
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mpathyRead my messages.. My question where spectific about the taskbar04:28
mpathy;)04:28
K-Ryanthen just type in your password04:28
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Newbstermpathy: yes you can add applets to the kde taskbar04:29
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mpathyNewbster: I also know THAT *sigh* ;)04:29
Newbstermpathy: sorry i dunno much about gnome :)04:30
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mpathyHmm.. Seems I am faster when I try it myself in a VMware image ;)04:30
Newbstermpathy: what I know is KDE ROX!04:30
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draremwho is 10.96.240.104:31
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KaljakoppaMy problem with the installation of Kubuntu 7.04 32-bit Herd #2 that after the keyboard selection (pressing next) the screen goes mad04:31
drarem?04:31
K-RyanSory, internet kicked.04:31
Jucato!feisty | Kaljakoppa04:32
ubotuKaljakoppa: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+104:32
K-RyanWow, what is with these names...04:32
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K-RyanDapper, edgy, breezy, feisty...04:32
Jucatoyou forgot hoary and warty04:33
K-RyanAre you serious?04:33
Newbsterlol04:33
BluesKajHowdy all :)04:33
K-Ryan(I listed the ones I knew about)04:33
Jucatoserious04:33
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Newbsterhi blue04:33
JucatoWarty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft, Feisty Fawn04:34
K-Ryano.O04:34
Newbsterjucato - resident specialist04:34
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BluesKajwho comes up with these silly titles ?04:34
K-RyanSomeone playing WoW04:34
Jucatosabdfl04:34
Newbsterself appointed benevolent dictator for life04:34
Newbsterlol04:35
Jucatoyes04:35
Newbsterhey thats mark shuttleworth04:36
BluesKajbenevolent dictator = a contradiction in terms04:36
Jucatoyes04:36
KaljakoppaSeems a little bit quiet channel for Feisty there, but what could cause the screen go mad?04:36
KaljakoppaI changed "vesa" to "nv" already04:36
KaljakoppaWith different resolution04:36
K-Ryanbad cd?04:36
JucatoKaljakoppa: unfortunately, those people in there would be the ones who would best know about it04:36
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KaljakoppaI don't think it is a bad CD04:36
K-RyanJust throwing it out there04:37
KaljakoppaAMD64 installation worked "fine", but I decided to change because of the obvious difficulties with the 64-bit04:37
KaljakoppaI would use Edgy if it only worked (Core 2 Duo, Intel G965)...04:38
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Newbsterjucato: please educate me for a moment04:40
Newbsteri want to know the process for installing stuff04:40
Jucato??04:40
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Newbsterjucato: so first off wget downloads the program right?04:40
Newbsterjucato: tar decompresses it04:41
JucatoNewbster: er.. depends... you should always look for the program in the repositories first04:41
Newbsterjucato: ok so what does ./ do?04:41
Jucatotake this pattern when looking for software: Repositories -> .deb made for Ubuntu -> general .deb for Debian-based distros -> source code04:41
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Newbsterjucato: actually i want to remove ies4linux and i dont know where it put itself04:42
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Newbsterjucato: all i know is that i did these:04:43
Newbsterwget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies4linux-latest.tar.gz04:43
Newbstertar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz04:43
Newbstercd ies4linux-*04:43
Newbster./ies4linux04:43
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Jucato'.' means "this current directory". '/' means (in this case) "directory or folder". "./configure" means "run the executable file named 'configure' which is located in this directory"04:43
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Newbsterjucato: amazing how i can do stuff without really understanding what i did04:44
Jucatoin that case, it's telling the system to run the ies4linux installer, which is found in the directory that you are currently in04:44
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Jucatowhich is not really wise in all cases...04:44
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JucatoNewbster: *never* run this command "sudo rm -rf /" and I mean never!04:44
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Newbsterjucato: i guess... ok i wont run that cmd...so if i want to remove it i can just delete the files that it created and downloaded?04:45
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JucatoNewbster: ies4linux will install everything in a hidden directory in your home folder (~/.ies4linux). It will not touch any system files (that's why you don't need to run it as root). if you want to remove it, just delete that folder04:46
jontecanyone know about mod_proxy? there's no package for it in the repo...04:47
Newbsterjucato: i see, so if we compare it to windows - the home folder is like Program Files, right?04:47
JucatoNewbster: nope04:47
Jucatothere is no direct comparison between the Windows file system heirarchy and Linux's04:48
Jucato!filesystem04:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about filesystem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:48
Jucatobah04:48
Newbsterjucato: that explains my conundrum - i dont know where to put where04:48
JucatoNewbster: because in most cases, you don't have to know.04:49
Jucatothat's what package managers do for you04:49
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Newbsterjucato: package manager = add / remove programs04:49
JucatoNewbster: that's a package manager frontend (GUI app). but yeah, you could consider that, in simple terms...04:50
JucatoAdd/Remove is a sort of simplified and prettified version of the Adept Manager04:50
Newbsterpretty04:50
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Newbsterjucato: i see, so even if i install using the CLI - i can also remove it by using adept04:51
Jucato(but technically, the package manager in Ubuntu and Debian-based systems is DPKG...but that might be too much info for now...)04:51
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JucatoNewbster: depends04:52
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Jucatofor example, ies4linux, can't be removed with apt-get or Adept04:52
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Newbsterjucato: it can't?04:53
Jucatoit can't. because you didn't use the package manager (adept or apt-get or dpkg) to install it04:54
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Newbsterjucato: yep ur right i just tried04:55
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Newbsterjucato: so deleting the hidden folder in the home directory would do it? i thought the home directory was only 4 settings04:56
pip`anyone know what might have happened?... my kubuntu box wont boot at all now. the last things i did before trying to restart my kubuntu box was i clicked something on a webpage and all of a sudden i got like 50 new browser launch icons down on the bottom of my screen & my computer got bogged down, then after my first reboot,  my graphics got all fuzzy looking... so i tried to reboot but now nothing happens when i turn my box on except my cpu fa04:57
pip`help helP04:58
JucatoNewbster: well, that's a simplified way of looking at it04:58
Newbsterjucato: thanks man you've been really helpful :)04:58
Jucatono problem04:59
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Newbsterjucato: sometimes the websites just tell you to cut and paste code but users like me just don't get what the codes mean or do04:59
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Jucatopip`: sorry... no idea about it...04:59
=== pip` hopes he didnt loose a mobo
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pip`:(05:00
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hattaNewbster, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/05:00
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bipolarpip`: why did you loose it? did it run away?05:00
pip`well i wont give a signal to my monitor now05:01
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pip`but my cpu fan does turn on05:01
=== pip` didnt think virus were a problem in linux
bipolarhaha05:01
bipolarpip`: what did you do just before it stopped booting05:02
pip`:(05:02
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pip`the last things i did before trying to restart my kubuntu box was i clicked something on a webpage and all of a sudden i got like 50 new browser launch icons down on the bottom of my screen & my computer got bogged down, then05:02
pip`then after my first reboot,  my graphics got all fuzzy looking... so i tried to reboot but now nothing happens when i turn my box on except my cpu fan turns on, no signal at all to the screen05:02
waylandbillyour video card may have failed.05:03
bipolarpip`: the web browser thing is unrelated. sounds like your video card burned up05:03
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pip`it was an onboard gigabyte mobo about a year old05:03
pip`ohh noo05:03
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waylandbillif its a desktop and if the case allows it, use a plugin video card.05:04
pip`i was also getting errors whenever i tried to install packages using adept05:04
Newbsterhatta: wow thats a long read05:05
pip`yes i can try my spare addon video card05:05
pip`i guess05:05
JucatoNewbster: tldp.org has a lot of good reads for Linux. some are newbie oriented. maybe you'd want to take a peek sometime, since you're not like the other newbies :)05:05
Newbsteri managed to finish the introduction lol05:06
hattalearning the shell isn't exactly easy, but doing the work to build the mental models so you understand what's happening pays off greatly05:07
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mick666hello05:07
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frejoooo05:10
frecvakes???05:10
frewie kent er hier wa van linux???05:10
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Jucato!de05:12
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de05:12
=== waylandbill didn't know what language that was. :-)
Newbstergerman i suppose05:12
K-RyanI think so05:13
Newbsterwhich reminds me kopete has some nice plugins that enable instant translation05:13
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K-Ryaninstant?05:14
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K-RyanThat's not really possible is it? Considering the grammar structure of languages vary.05:14
Newbsteryes thats why the translations usually are lopsided05:15
waylandbilland sometimes entertaining.05:15
K-RyanI wouldn't really call that translation05:15
K-RyanJust kind of swapping words...05:16
Newbsterspecifically for languages where it is common to put the predicate before the subject05:16
Newbsterthat would be a more accurate description05:16
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Newbsterbut given the number of people who are bilingual and show interest in this field, it would be possible in the near future05:17
Newbsterso instead of 'swapping words' they can 'swap phrases or sentences'05:18
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K-RyanBut it would still be off05:18
K-RyanEveryone speaks different, individually I mean.05:18
hattamachine translation is AI-complete05:19
yogiRiddell: The POP filters in KMail 1.9.5 are STILL completely inoperable.  (I first reported this when Dapper was still in beta.)05:19
hattaeven talented humans can't translate things perfectly05:19
Riddellyogi: is this likely to be a kubuntu specific problem?05:19
hattafor further reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot05:19
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yogiRiddell: I honestly don't know, Sir!  I DO know that the POP filters worked in the Breezy distro...05:20
Riddellyogi: it's probably worth asking on #kontact if it's a general issue05:21
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yogiRiddell:Very well... I will check there, too.  I will get back to you on the negative.05:21
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yogiRiddell:Thank you, SIr.05:22
hanseatix#mkbw05:22
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linux_denany way to get w32codecs for kubuntu05:23
yogilinux_den:Restricted Formats page.05:23
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K-Ryan!adonthell05:23
ubotuadonthell: A 2D graphical roleplaying game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.4.cvs.20050813-2.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 249 kB, installed size 916 kB05:23
linux_denwhere do i find that05:23
waylandbill!Restricted05:23
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats05:23
yogilinux_den: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-848295cba1b3591a4b4a0dbea5844fd5d2894b6b05:24
yogilinux_den:That is where I got it all set up for the last three versions05:24
linux_denthank you05:25
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NewbsterK-ryan: "It would still be off" Agreed, though attempts to create such a software would be continuosly made of course05:27
K-RyanIt would never be perfect =P05:27
Newbsteras all human endeavors ;)05:27
K-RyanThe only way to effectively translate would be to limit the amount of phrases that you would be able to say. ie. preset phrases05:28
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Newbsterlike: "get chair"05:28
Newbsteror sudo delete [file name] 05:29
K-RyanNo as in things like "Good game!" or "Play again?"05:29
Dr_willisFinal Fantasy online can do that K-Ryan  :)05:29
mick666excuse me05:29
Newbsterlol05:29
K-RyanI've seen it done before, I'm just saying that's the only way for perfect translation.05:30
mick666can i work for Canonical in Italy?05:30
mick666do you know something?05:30
Newbsteris there a Canonical in Italy?05:30
K-RyanIf you attempted to take normal everyday chat and translate it perfectly, you would end up with preset phrases05:30
K-RyanAnd nobody would have their own personality to express.05:31
K-RyanOr be able to anyway05:31
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mick666yes there is05:31
NewbsterJust like pc speak05:31
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Newbsteradd emoticons then05:31
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Dr_willis:)05:32
K-RyanBut everyone would sound the same05:32
Dr_willis0_o05:32
K-RyanPlus or minus an emoticon05:32
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Newbsterer...download personalized themes?05:32
K-RyanSo you would have 200 other people using the same theme as you anyway =P05:32
K-RyanUnless you made your own translation setup for a theme that is05:33
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tobias_if I boot the kubuntu cd, can I change the size of my partitions and put space from one partition to another without deleting data?05:34
NewbsterK-Ryan: anyway, you are right - there can be no perfect translation - its a linguistic and philosophical fact05:34
K-RyanI know, I just wanted to make sure you understood why =P05:34
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HymnToLifetobias_, yes, though it's always wise to save important data before, just in case05:35
K-Ryantobias_ as long as you are moving unused space05:35
pip`welp my mobo is looking deader n deader by the minute... swapping video cards doesnt fix it... next i guess i should try swapping ram05:35
tobias_kool05:35
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tobias_thanx05:35
K-RyanNp05:35
pip`:((05:35
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hamzorhello05:35
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hamzori need little help05:35
hamzorwith nvidia drivers05:36
K-RyanHey would you guys reccomend getting....05:36
K-Ryan!aegis-virus-scanner05:36
ubotuaegis-virus-scanner: A virus scanner for Linux/Unix systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-1 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 144 kB05:36
K-RyanJust in case?05:36
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hamzorwhen i try to install Nvidia 64bit drivers i get error = "Unable to find the system utility please check ld"05:37
=== pip` didnt think viri were a problem in linux
K-RyanThey aren't05:38
Dr_willisK-Ryan,  just in case of what?05:38
K-RyanI don't know05:38
Dr_willis:)05:38
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pip`haha05:39
Dr_willisOnly use ive seen for virus scanners in linux - is to scan your ftp/downloads and other things for windows virusisisisis.05:39
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Dr_willisor to work with your email/other servers05:39
slougihey all, someone wanna help me out a bit with zeroconf? when I run mdns-scan in a console it finds all the services, but the kde zeroconf:/ ioslave is not working. any ideas on how to fix this?05:39
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Dr_willisagain - to scan for files with windows viruses..05:39
waylandbilllet the windows friends scan them themselves. ;-)05:40
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pip`Dr, what might cause the problem i just had right before my screen went fuzzy & now i got no monitor signal on boot, before that happened i had a bunch(50) of browser icons popping up at bottom of my screen after i clicked on a weblink ?05:41
DinkAnyone know if you can increase the scroll buffer / history in konsole ??05:42
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pip`paging Dr_willis paging Dr_willis  :)05:42
Dr_willispip`,  you had firefox or konqueror - web surfing and got a bunch of popup ads/sites? now X wont load?05:42
hamzoranyone how can help me with my problem plz /q me05:42
pip`i might have had both browsers on, but i know i had atleast firefox on05:43
PupenoRWas Amarok's support for gstreamer removed in Kubuntu ?05:43
Dr_willisi cant think of anything running the browser as a user. could do to mess up X.05:43
Dr_willispip`,  now you cant even get to the KDM login screen?05:43
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pip`now my mobo wont send signal to my monitor at all, but my cpu fan does turn on05:43
waylandbillDr_willis: it won't even boot. I told him his video card is probably done for. The browser issue was probably unrelated.05:43
linux_denwhat program can i use to play quicktime files05:43
pip`after i tried to reboot05:43
linux_denPlease05:44
Dr_willisI agree with you waylandbill .05:44
pip`its not my video card i just swapped them out05:44
Dr_willispip`,  can you even get to the BIOS settings? see the memorycount/stuff ?05:44
JosefKpip`: does it POST?05:44
pip`no05:44
Dr_willisYea the 'POST' messages..05:44
pip`no post05:44
pip`no signal05:44
pip`to monitor05:44
waylandbilldoes it beep the internal speaker?05:44
Dr_willisThat sounds like got some hardware issue. or cable problem then.05:44
JosefKpip`: try swapping most of your RAM sticks out, try them in various combinations in different slots05:44
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pip`yes, i switched out my ram chips as well05:45
JosefKpip`: all of them?05:45
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JosefKpip`: mind, it would still beep like crazy if you had no RAM sticks in there05:45
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pip`well i tried diff combos using the 2 ramchips that were in there05:45
pip`i still need to tried a new ramchip i guess05:45
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Dr_willismay want to try a new monitor...05:46
pip`well my monitor seems good cuz thats what im using now05:46
K-RyanGuys, every half hour to an hour Kubuntu freezes and I have to restart, any idea what might cause it?05:46
pip`off my other box05:46
Dr_willisbut if the pc isent even beeping - that sounds bad...05:46
Dr_willisbut it could be a loose cable, or somthing05:46
JosefKindeed Dr_willis, does it beep if you try to switch it on with on RAM in?05:46
hamzorDr_willis could  you help me with my problem with nvidia drivers05:46
pip`well i dont hear any beeping but then i dont have my sound connected either05:47
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K-Ryanthe pc speaker would beep05:47
waylandbillfrom the internal speaker05:47
JosefK*no RAM05:47
pip`i think i pulled out the pc speaker last year05:47
Dr_willishamzor,  i dont use 64bit disrto stuff.. I dont see the point in it at this time. Theres too many little issues.05:47
pip`hmm05:47
JosefKoh :/05:47
K-RyanGot too anoyying?05:47
waylandbill:-O05:47
pip`yea05:47
K-RyanI knew it =P05:47
JosefKpip`: 'sudo rmmod pcspkr' - a less destructive option05:47
pip`heh05:47
hamzorcan you say where to get binutils05:47
hamzori think im missing it05:47
Dr_willisHeck most little speakers are built onto the MB these days.05:47
K-Ryanbuilt in, but still plugged in05:48
K-Ryanpull the wire and it won't play05:48
hamzori solved it :D05:48
pip`well let me try listening for beeps05:48
JosefKpip`: one single, relatively short beep indicates everything's fine05:48
pip`k05:48
K-RyanThat's why my computer beeps on startup?05:48
JosefKpip`: iirc it's always three for RAM, not sure about VGA issues though05:48
K-RyanI thought it was to bother me...05:48
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K-RyanI've been through so much with this computer it's not funny05:49
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Dr_willisthats to bother you. :)05:49
pip`no beeps but the cpufan is on05:49
pip`:(05:49
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K-RyanWell now we know it isn't your cpufan causing the trouble05:49
K-Ryan=P05:49
JosefKhmm, the CPU fan comes on just when the motherboard has power, doesn't indicate success/failure05:49
Dr_williscpufan on - tells ya that at least the Powersupply isent totally dead. :)05:49
Dr_willispart of the PS could be dead.05:50
K-RyanCan you hear the hard drives start to spin?05:50
pip`yes i can hear the drives05:50
K-RyanHrmm05:50
fuelhi how can i export the paths when kubuntu boots up ??? its not reading the .profile in my home.... any other way?05:51
Dr_willisfuel,  normally the .bash_profile and .bashrc are used.. not .profile05:51
fueloh! i recently migrated from suse.......and it was .profile there05:51
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pip`how easy is it in kubuntu to get into a video loop that might hurt the mobo or video card in general ?05:52
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Dr_willispip`,  next to impossible id say05:52
pip`ahh ok, so even a virus cudnt cause that kinda problem? ok05:52
Dr_willisits hard to do anything that can damage the  hardware.. (short of overclocking)05:52
fueli installed sun' java05:52
pip`ahh ok05:52
fuelhow do i remove gij ???? its not allowing me to do showing some dependency05:52
Dr_willis!info java05:53
ubotuPackage java does not exist in any distro I know05:53
Dr_willis!java05:53
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository05:53
K-RyanAnyone know what would cause Kubuntu to freeze every hour or so and require a reboot?05:53
Dr_willisfuel,  ive never had to remove that to get java working.05:53
pip`guess its just a coincidence i got all those annoying browser popups just before my problem05:53
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fuelno the fact is gij and sun's are conflicting......... i installed sun's manually05:54
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fuelfrom .bin->.deb05:54
Dr_willisfuel,  manually? egads... ya could of used the package manager05:54
pip`no i gotta shell out $$ for a new p4 mobo :(05:54
pip`now05:54
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Dr_willispip`,  ive seen comlete Linux box's for $100 US at some electronic places. :)05:55
K-RyanWell you could always get something with minimum spec's then replace it with what you have in your current.05:55
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Dr_willisheh - a Minimum spec system = 3x what i got now.05:55
Dr_willis:)05:55
hamzorhow to stop and start xserver @ kubuntu05:55
K-RyanDr_willis what are you running?05:56
K-RyanHardware wise05:56
Dr_willisgot an old amd64 at 2.3 ghz05:56
K-RyanOh you think that's old?05:56
K-RyanI've got a 1.8ghz in mine =(05:56
K-RyanUpgraded everything else though05:56
JosefKhamzor: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop05:57
Dr_willisits 2+ yrs old. :) i do have a decent video card - and 7 hd's .05:57
K-RyanMine is 5 years old =P05:57
Dr_willismy mythtv box is just a 1.8 ghx05:57
hamzorjosefK wont work05:57
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K-RyanMy specs are: 128 vid ram, 512 ram, 410gb of space on 2 HDDs(1 external 1 internal) and my 1.8ghz proccesor05:58
K-RyanCan you tell I upgraded? =P05:58
Dr_willisi got 1.25 TB of drive space. :)05:58
hamzormine is amd opteron 146, 2048mb RAM, 2x500Gb, Nvidia 7800GTX05:58
K-Ryani dont need that much05:58
JosefKhamzor: well, that stops it - 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' would just do a restart05:59
hamzorno05:59
hamzorthat command dosen`t work on me05:59
Dr_willisuse 'kdm' not gdm05:59
JosefKchrist, sorry, forgot which *ubuntu I was in there05:59
Dr_willisor perhaps xdm05:59
Dr_willis:)05:59
animimotushi06:00
K-RyanThat reminds me, why do people say *nix?06:00
Dr_willisto mean Unix and its variants06:00
animimotusI just want to control my cpu and hdd temperatures, what can I use please ?06:01
boriehello under dapper with a pcmcia wifi card ASUS WL-107G (it is a chipset RT2500); on my hostpoint I have 3 WPA modes : 1) TKIP;  2) AES/CCMP &  3) TKIP+AES;  FINALLY I succeeded to connect me on TKIP while following this french tutorial: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/wifi/rt2500dapper; on the other hand impossible to connect in TKIP+AES  & it is the mode which is advised.ideas? (I am already too glad to be connected in WPA (: )06:01
borie06:01
K-RyanAh, thanks Doc06:01
JosefKanimimotus: fire and ice?06:01
animimotusJosefK: I don't know it, is it un QT ?06:01
K-Ryananimimotus I haven't heard of actually controlling the temperatures. I've seen monitoring programs though06:02
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K-RyanIf that is what you are looking for06:02
JosefKanimimotus: not quite ;) do you want to 'view' the temperatures, or control them?06:02
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JosefKanimimotus: if you want to view, KSysGuard is what you need, you could browse for ACPI Thermal Zones06:03
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animimotusJosefK: I just want to view the temperature06:03
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animimotusJosefK: I can't see temperature with conky, in fact I don't know if it supply it06:04
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JosefKanimimotus: ksysguard, browse 'localhost' on the left, then 'ACPI', then 'Thermal Zones'06:04
JosefKanimimotus: check what sensors there are in there06:04
K-RyanJosefK when I click local host nothing pops up, unless you mean on the right?06:04
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JosefKK-Ryan: well, it's on the left here :/06:05
cyanid3I'm trying to add a new user.  The add is successful but I don't have access to X with the new one. What am I doing wrong??06:05
K-RyanOh, there we go, now it's working.06:05
Daisuke_Idois the new user in the right groups?06:06
cyanid3I put it in the same groups that the default kubuntu created user was in06:06
cyanid3I'm banging my head right now...06:06
K-Ryanmy local host doesn't have an ACPI JosefK, any idea?06:06
animimotusJosefK: no ACPI seems to be here06:07
animimotusK-Ryan: same problem :)06:07
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K-RyanYeah06:07
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animimotus$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep acpi06:08
animimotus# defoptions=quiet splash locale=fr_FR apm=off acpi=force06:08
animimotuskernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda7 ro quiet splash locale=fr_FR apm=off acpi=force06:08
animimotusacpi=force ? is it ok ?06:08
JosefKK-Ryan: old motherboard I guess :/ not sure where temperature information is if it isn't there, but ksysguard is the place to look06:09
cyanid3the groups that the user is in are: adm, admin, audio, cdrom, dialout, dip, floppy, lpadmin, plugdev, scanner, video06:09
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K-RyanYeah it's no biggie, I didn't think my processor had a thermometer anyway =P06:09
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kde_alinhow does Intel GMA 900 video card works in Linux?06:11
kde_alinis there OpenGL support for it?06:12
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kde_alinor should i have to compile the module for it?06:12
K-Ryan!opengl06:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:12
K-RyanHrmm06:12
kde_alinwhit what version of ATI video card could you compare?06:12
kde_alinwith06:13
K-RyanATI's don't completly work with Linux06:13
K-RyanUses a different thing06:13
LynoureK-Ryan: Some of them do.06:13
kde_alinI know that k-ryan06:13
K-RyanWhy would you compare it then?06:13
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cyanid3Could the fact that I don't have the files .Xauthority and .ICEauthority in a new users home directory be preventing them from using X?06:14
mineur!samba06:14
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT06:14
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kde_alini have to choose betwen a laptop with ATI X200 and another with Intel GMA 90006:14
cyanid3nevermind06:14
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LynoureK-Ryan: Go look at some benchmarks for the cards you are considering. I think I was comparing Radeon X600 and intel GMA 950, and choose the X600, which also works with open source drivers quite well06:15
kde_alinthanx06:15
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K-Ryankde_alin needs to know, not me =P06:15
LynoureK-Ryan: oops, got you people wrong way around :)06:15
K-RyanIt's okey06:15
pip`Kafka..06:15
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Morrisseyhi, anyone know how I can get full 800dpi for an MX Revolution? The Logitech MX Revolution mouse? :)06:19
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slougihey all, someone wanna help me out a bit with zeroconf? when I run mdns-scan in a console it finds all the services, but the kde zeroconf:/ ioslave is not working. any ideas on how to fix this?06:22
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sergio_ol06:25
wimpiesHi all, when I set the keyboard repeat rate, apply, stop the system manager and start it again the settings are gone.  How can save these settings ?06:25
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sergio_Ol para todos, algum fala portugus a06:28
BluesKaj!pt06:28
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:28
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washingtonol06:31
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K-Ryan!pt06:31
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:31
K-Ryan!es06:31
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.06:31
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sandra__OL06:33
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washingtonforro moral06:33
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.06:33
K-Ryan!pt06:33
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:33
sergio_ol tia06:33
sandra__RSRSRS06:33
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sandra__TIA  O TEU...06:33
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washington2007 o ano do coquim06:33
K-RyanCan someone tell them that this is the English only channel?06:34
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sandra__TEM ALGUEM QUE POSSA CONV COMIGO QUE NO SEJA AS BIBAS DO MEU TRAB?06:35
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sandra__DIGA LA GOSTOSO06:35
ismael_ola06:35
Jucatosandra__: English please06:35
Daisuke_Ido!pt | sandra__06:35
ubotusandra__: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:36
sergio_ismael06:36
ismael_muita  boa06:36
K-RyanI already posted that twice06:36
K-RyanThey aren't going there06:36
sandra__VC ACHA ?06:36
Jucato!pt06:36
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:36
Daisuke_Idoi noticed :\06:36
K-Ryanand sandra is using all caps -.-06:36
ismael_fico so imaginando06:36
sandra__N FIQUE ASSIM AMIGUINHO FAA ...06:37
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ismael_kkkkkkkkkk06:37
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Jucatothey have the same IP address... how amusing06:37
ismael_serginho ta por ai06:37
K-Ryanthey are using this to chat amongst themselves06:37
Jucatoismael_, sandra__ this is an English-only channel.06:37
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PINPON__TEM CORAGEM?06:37
K-Ryanthey aren't listening they aren't even here for Kubuntu06:37
PINPON__ISMAEL06:37
K-RyanGotta kick em or something06:37
freekkkgreetings out there06:37
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freekkkis there any big german channel?06:38
PINPON__ESTOU COM UMA IMPRESSO QUE VC  UM MORENO CHOCOLATE!06:38
K-Ryan!de06:38
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de06:38
PINPON__  VERDADE?06:38
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freekkkthx06:39
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PINPON__VC TA AI?06:39
JucatoPINPON__: stop it06:39
sergio_ESTOU AQUI06:40
PINPON__KD ELE?06:40
PINPON__ISMAELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL06:40
PINPON__KD VC06:40
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K-RyanPINPON__, sergio_ ENGLISH06:42
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inteliwasphow can i make ssh accept a new key from a known good server?06:42
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mark__oi'm trying to copy /home from one HD over /home on another HD. I'm on a live CD and right now it won't let me modify files of mounted HD's. Says owner and group are "1000"06:43
pip`which is buggier? ubuntu or kubuntu ?06:43
K-Ryani dont think they are buggy at all06:44
Thehound666ku by a little IMO06:44
K-RyanAlthough I haven't really used Ubuntu06:44
Thehound666but an thee are, mr06:44
pip`ok06:44
ismael_dia zmacho06:44
ismael_eu quero  comer06:44
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ismael_.........06:44
ismael_melancia06:44
Thehound666all of them are minor06:44
Thehound666*06:45
K-Ryanismael_ English06:45
Thehound666why that came onot sure06:45
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Giltonola06:46
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K-Ryan!es06:46
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.06:46
K-Ryan!pt06:46
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:46
sergio_OLA GILTON06:46
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Giltonoxe06:46
K-RyanENGLISH06:46
sergio_VC CONVERSA COM VARIAS PESSOA EM TODO O MUNDO06:46
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K-RyanSomeone help me out here06:46
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Giltonlegal06:47
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K-Ryan#kubuntu = English ONLY06:47
Jucatosergio_, ismael_, PINPON__ this will be your last warning. speak in English or take your chat elsewhere06:47
Jucatothat goes for you too Gilton06:47
Jucato!pt06:47
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:47
K-RyanJucato they aren't even talking about Kubuntu06:47
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JucatoK-Ryan: I know06:48
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hassan2a!pt06:48
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.06:48
hassan2a!pty06:48
hassan2a!pyt06:48
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:48
hassan2a!pt06:48
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pyt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:48
Jucatohassan2a: stop that06:48
hassan2astop what ?06:49
Jucato!fishing06:49
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...06:49
crustyhi everyone! need to convert avi in to wmv.....what program do i need to i install? got kubuntu 6.10. meny thanks!06:49
Thehound666ok this should work06:49
Thehound666damn mangled packets06:49
Thehound666contacted my host before on that06:49
Thehound666ok I seem fine06:49
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esteusonOLA06:51
sergio_diz esteuson06:51
K-RyanJucato it's another one =/06:51
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sergio_ legal06:51
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K-RyanAnother one!06:52
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K-RyanOh, same one as before...06:52
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cyber-hazard30 seconds in the channel and banning is happening. looks to be entertaining :)06:53
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K-RyanThese guys are speaking portuguese(excuse my spelling) and have been for the past 10-15 minutes06:53
K-RyanThey aren't even talking about Kubuntu...06:53
cyber-hazardhehe06:54
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K-RyanJucato: Don't like being labeled as operator?06:54
JucatoK-Ryan: it's an Ubuntu policy06:54
K-RyanAh, didn't know.06:54
cyber-hazardno one should have to go through being an op. constant outcries, "Op me! Op me!" /me shudders06:55
Jucato"Don't stay +o for long: After you did what you needed the operator privileges for, de-op yourself again. Staying +o for long times is not really useful (and you'll attract all questions - which may not be what you want)."06:55
K-RyanAnyway I was going to say "I don't blame you"06:55
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K-RyanJucato why do most of their names still show in the user list?06:57
JucatoI didn't kick them :)06:57
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K-RyanHah!06:58
cyber-hazardi think my favourite part of kubuntu thus far is the big X logo for a screensaver :P06:58
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K-RyanX screensaver? I don't think I saw that one...06:58
cyber-hazardsure it has something to do with me not configuring it. but it's just so....minimalist06:58
Daisuke_Idocyber-hazard: correct, there are a lot more than just that06:58
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cyber-hazardK-Ryan: it's the only one I've seen so far06:58
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cyber-hazardDaisuke_Ido: yeah, just too lazy to fix it. other than dealing with my iPod, I'm usually in cli06:59
Daisuke_Idoi'm a gui boy myself, but that's mostly from being a windows convert07:00
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Daisuke_Idoso yes, i was one of the unwashed masses for a long time ;)07:00
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K-RyanI get a kick out of the pendulum screensaver07:00
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kaozHallo07:00
K-RyanHi there07:00
cyber-hazardyeah. I love GUI's, don't get my wrong. my KDE is all tricked out with crazy effects and what not. but Kubuntu is on my laptop, so it's mostly for cli since it can't handle crazy effects07:01
cyber-hazardmy workstation here at the office, however (what I'm on right now), is all configured. too many shells and RDP connections open to not be in GUI :)07:01
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rodrigohola07:03
cyber-hazardspeaking of converts, I'm actually a gentoo convert. hence the cli :P07:03
cyber-hazardhey there, rodrigo07:03
rodrigohola que tal07:04
K-Ryan!es07:04
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.07:04
cyber-hazardoh, hehe07:04
K-Ryan=P07:04
rodrigook!!! hi07:04
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rodrigoi am from argentina07:04
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cyber-hazardsorry, I live in Southern California. So even if we see a "hola" it's usually just an english speaker :P07:05
K-RyanI figured07:05
rodrigosorry07:05
K-RyanIt's okay, it's just easier to get help in your language from people who speak it07:05
rodrigowho knows about beryl07:06
K-Ryan!beryl | rodrigo07:06
uboturodrigo: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl07:06
cyber-hazardthat bot is just plain handy07:06
K-RyanIt's great07:06
JucatoK-Ryan: btw, not everyone who comes in here with hola, ola, or bonjour actually don't speak English... some actually just like to come in greeting like that...07:06
rodrigook, soo i need the drivers nvidia07:06
K-RyanJucato I know07:06
K-RyanBut I figured an offer is nice =P07:06
Jucatorodrigo: yes07:07
K-Ryan!nvidia07:07
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:07
K-Ryan=)07:07
Jucatoanyway, time to hit the sack07:07
cyber-hazardhahah07:07
cyber-hazardthat's awesome!07:07
K-RyanCya Jucato07:07
cyber-hazardg'night, Jucato07:07
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Jucatog'night! and behave :P07:07
K-RyanWait Jucato07:07
rodrigoi ask because i am new in linux07:07
K-RyanWhat about that guys name?07:08
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JucatoK-Ryan: huh?07:08
K-RyanIsn't that breaking some policy rule?07:08
K-RyanUsing the name "administrador"07:08
Jucatonope07:08
K-RyanJust making sure07:08
Jucato:)07:08
K-RyanContinue on with you're hitting the hay.07:08
K-Ryan*your07:08
cyber-hazardhehe07:08
Jucatoif someone comes in with "root" or "root_"... just warn them not to go online as root07:08
cyber-hazardyeah07:09
K-RyanWhat's wrong with that?07:09
Jucatospecially on IRC07:09
LjLeverything's wrong with it07:09
K-RyanI don't get it07:09
cyber-hazardyeah, quite a bit07:09
JucatoK-Ryan: you're basically exposing yourself to everyone :)07:09
LjLwhy would you ever do something like going to IRC as *root*? that's utterly stupid07:09
Daisuke_Idogoing online as root?  it's an open invitation "hey!  use me!  i have permission to do EVERYTHING!"07:09
cyber-hazardif their username is root, that means you're logged in an connected as root07:09
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cyber-hazardyeah07:09
cyber-hazardbasically what they both said, though LjL was a little more realistic and Daisuke_Ido was a little more helpful :P07:10
K-RyanI still don't get how if their name is root, it's bad.07:10
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cyber-hazardcause if their name is root then they are just using their login name as their nick by default07:10
LjLit's not07:10
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LjLbut if the nickname's root, chances are it's because they're logged in as such07:10
JucatoK-Ryan: most of the time, the IRC client uses the user's username as the default IRC nick07:10
thybohmm07:10
thyboirc://irc.kaffeinenet.com/nubuntu07:10
K-RyanMhm, but I still don't get how "root" tells everyone else your info.07:11
Jucatoso if you launch an IRC client as root, it will get the root's user name ("root") as the default nick07:11
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JucatoK-Ryan: it's not about telling everyone your info07:11
cyber-hazardK-Ryan: it's about telling everyone that you're vulnerable07:11
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Daisuke_IdoK-Ryan: it doesn't, directly, but it tells them that you're logged in as root (most likely) and are therefore vulnerable07:11
Daisuke_Idowow07:11
Daisuke_Idostereo07:11
K-RyanStill don't get it =/07:11
cyber-hazardIRC isn't really the most friendly environement07:11
K-RyanI know that07:11
Random_Transitanyone here ever tried setting up a WebDAV server on ubuntu?07:11
K-RyanI mean I get how it's bad, but telling someone your username, that's bad?07:12
cyber-hazardno07:12
JucatoK-Ryan: it's not about telling people your username...07:12
Daisuke_Idoit's not about the username07:12
K-RyanThen what does it tell them?07:12
K-Ryan>.<07:12
cyber-hazardit's about programs running with specific permissions07:12
Daisuke_Idoit's about what a root account is capable of07:12
cyber-hazardif you are logged in to IRC as root, that means the IRC program is running as root07:12
JucatoK-Ryan: when someone goes online with the "root" nick, most often than not it means that he is running the IRC client or going online as the root user07:12
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cyber-hazardif the program is running as root, it has permissions just like the root user does07:13
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K-RyanWhat could they do with it though? o.O07:13
Jucatoit's not about the nick. it's about the (system) user account07:13
cyber-hazardif someone can comprimise your client (not hard through most IRC clients) then they can do whatever they want07:13
JucatoK-Ryan: to the knowledgeable? a lot07:13
Daisuke_Idoand you don't want to go online as the root user (minimize the attack vectors, if you want to be pseudo-technical about it)07:13
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cyber-hazardstarts with simple things like opening your cd tray to get a laugh07:13
Jucatospecially if you use port 6667 to connect, which means DCC is enabled07:13
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cyber-hazardends up with bad things like #rm -rf /07:14
K-RyanCould that be why my computer keeps freezing?07:14
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JucatoK-Ryan: heh no07:14
K-RyanI mean this isn't my root nick07:14
cyber-hazardhaha07:14
K-RyanBut07:14
K-RyanEvery once in a while Kubuntu locks up07:14
LjLK-Ryan, try to look at it from another point of view - why do you think there exist accounts that are *not* root?07:14
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cyber-hazardK-Ryan: i had problems with Kubuntu my last time I installed like that. actually shelved it for a while cause of it. I reinstalled though and now it's fine. no idea what the issue was07:14
JucatoK-Ryan: nope. don't develop conspiracy theories :)07:15
K-RyanRight now it seems to be fine so I'm okay.07:15
JucatoK-Ryan: as long as you don't go online as the root user/administrator (sudo, in Ubuntu), you're practically safe07:15
DerPlanloseIs firestarter a good firewall for kubuntu ???07:15
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K-RyanSo Jucato, don't open IRC through the terminal? =P07:15
LjLprobably DerPlanlose, but for KDE there's alternatives07:15
LjL!guarddog07:16
ubotuguarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 1424 kB07:16
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JucatoK-Ryan: no... you can launch GUI apps as root with kdesu07:16
DerPlanlosehave i to config iptables for guarddog ?07:16
K-RyanI'm not sure I get it, but it's ok07:16
K-RyanYou can go to bed now =P07:16
blue|palmI have had a bad experience installing kubuntu, one where i am able to install it succesfully but then it wont boot!!! can anybody assist?07:16
cyber-hazardK-Ryan: if you'd like, we can discuss in PMs07:16
K-Ryanbluejpalm are you getting any error?07:17
LjLK-Ryan: uh? you can open an IRC client from the terminal, and still it's not root, as long as you don't tell it to be07:17
blue|palmno none at all07:17
LjLroot has nothing much to do with terminals07:17
K-RyanDo you have another OS on yoru computer?07:17
blue|palmit freezes during booting actually07:17
blue|palmyes07:17
K-Ryan*your07:17
blue|palmwinxp x6407:17
K-RyanDid you install it after installing Kubuntu?07:17
blue|palmbefore07:17
DerPlanlosehow could i access my ntfs windows partition ?07:17
blue|palmi have 2 hdds07:17
cyber-hazardblue|palm: what part of the boot do you get dropped at?07:17
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K-RyanDerPlanlose if it is mounted you can read it but can't save on it or change anything.07:18
LjLblue|palm: could it not be trying to boot the wrong one? check in the BIOS07:18
cyber-hazardDerPlanlose: do you know which partition the windows is? hda1,2,3?07:18
michaelpohow do i cd into my ext hdd? cd\media\mobile hdd doesnot work07:18
blue|palmI get frozen at the blue "kubuntu" text and blue loading bar07:18
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blue|palmit doesnt load at all07:18
DerPlanloseK-Ryan i cant edit or change enything ? what about my mp3s for example ?07:18
K-RyanSo you're past picking Windows or Kubuntu?07:18
blue|palmGrub works properly... and xp boots perfectly fine07:18
K-RyanDerPlanlose you can only read it07:18
cyber-hazardmichaelpo: probably something like $sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/external && cd /mnt/external07:19
LjLblue|palm: hm, at the Grub menu, hit "e" to edit the command line. "e" again, and remove "quiet" and "splash". that way, at least, you should see where it's getting stuck07:19
rodrigothanks07:19
DerPlanloseshit ;-)07:19
blue|palmthanks07:19
LjLblue|palm: oh, then "b" to boot07:19
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blue|palmoh ok07:19
DerPlanloselike kubuntu soo much much better then windows ;-(07:19
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cyber-hazardDerPlanlose: you can still play mp3's07:19
K-RyanYou just can't edit or delete them.07:19
DerPlanlosewhat to do make aonother fat partition for mp3s ?07:19
K-RyanActually, can you delete off NTFS? Didn't try deleting..07:19
cyber-hazardDerPlanlose: you can also do that07:19
LjLblue|palm: if it says it can't find the root filesystem, then i guess it got something wrong with your HDs, and it's trying to look for the filesystem in hda while it's really in hdb, or viceversa07:19
pip`DerPlan, yes isnt it great ?!07:19
blue|palmone more thing, when i boot into recovery mode... i get straight into a root@desktop command line07:20
Dr_willistheres support for read/write to ntfs - but theres alwas a risk.07:20
LjLblue|palm: otherwise... well, make a note of the errors (or the point it gets stuck at), and ask07:20
blue|palmok07:20
cyber-hazardthere is a kernel module for editing NTFS that you can compile in07:20
DerPlanloseyes i had suse before a year but i dont liked it really *G*07:20
cyber-hazardsays it's stable, but I haven't tested it yet07:20
blue|palmok thanks guys. ill do that now07:20
Dr_willisor the FUSE tools for ntfs i hear07:20
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LjLblue|palm: hm, that's right in recovery mode - would seem to rule out the filesystem problem, i think07:20
K-RyanDerPlanlose Fat32 works with Windows and Kubuntu so if you want to change back and forth, that's your best bet.07:20
blue|palmok07:20
michaelpohow do i cd into my ext hdd? cd\media\mobilehd does not work07:20
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LjLmichaelpo: cd /media/mobilehd07:21
DerPlanloseK-Ryan ohh that means i need a new/bigger arddsik ;-)07:21
cyber-hazardmichaelpo: is it mounted correctly?07:21
|Daisuke_Ido|michaelpo: cd /media/mobilehd07:21
DerPlanlosethx 4 ya help07:21
K-RyanWait07:21
DerPlanlose?07:21
K-RyanDerPlanlose you can resize partitions through a Live CD07:21
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K-RyanAdd/Remove/Delete/Resize07:21
DerPlanlosecuz i cant copy the files temporary anywhere07:21
K-RyanBut if you have extra space you can trim it and paste the mp3's in there07:21
DerPlanloseyeah but i have at leasst 10gb free and 110gb data ;-)07:22
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LjL!convertfs | DerPlanlose07:22
ubotuconvertfs: in-place filesystem conversion. In component universe, is extra. Version 20050113-1 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 116 kB07:22
DerPlanlosenot 110mp3s ;-(07:22
LjL(warning, can be dangerous)07:22
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cyber-hazardLjL: wow, never heard of that, that's awesome07:22
DerPlanlosehehe07:22
michaelpo|Daisuke_Ido|: actually it is MOBILE HD07:22
DerPlanloseLjL ill google for it07:22
LjLcyber-hazard: read the documentation though - it actually *can* be dangerous, not just in the "if-power-goes-out" kind of scenario07:23
michaelpobash: cd: /media/MOBILE: No such file or directory07:23
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cyber-hazardLjL: yeah, sounds like something that can be bad. not planning on running out and toying with it in production :P but still a neat little toy07:23
LjLDerPlanlose, i think almost everything there is to know (i.e. how it works, and that it's dangerous) can be found without any googling07:23
michaelpocd /media/MOBILE HD07:23
michaelpobash: cd: /media/MOBILE: No such file or directory07:23
cyber-hazardgoogle = awesome07:23
|Daisuke_Ido|michaelpo: cd /media/MOBILE\ HD07:24
|Daisuke_Ido|i think07:24
LjLyeah07:24
cyber-hazardmichaelpo: spaces aren't allowed07:24
DerPlanloseLjL hehe07:24
LjLor cd "/media/MOBILE HD"07:24
cyber-hazardcd into media and type ls to see what there is07:24
cyber-hazardthen you can always type cd mob and then hit tab07:24
akrus_hm07:24
cyber-hazardtab completion is your friend if you don't know the syntax of a directory07:24
akrus_I'm not able to remove/install python-xlib package07:24
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akrus_it's annoying x_X07:24
LjLmichaelpo: linux filesystems 1) are case sensitive 2) separate directories with /, not \ and 3) the shell doesn't accept filenames with spaces, unless you quote them or escape them07:24
cyber-hazardakrus_: are you trying to remove or install it?07:24
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akruscyber-hazard: anything07:25
akrusit does not install or remove anyway :)07:25
cyber-hazardakrus: well, you won't be able to remove it if it's not instaleld :P07:25
bxnphi everybody i upgraded kde from 3.5.3 to 3.5.5 but now usb automounting is not working anymore anyone encountered this problem07:25
akrusit's installed07:25
akrusjust it's about to upgrade07:25
akrusbut upgrade does not work as well as remove07:25
DerPlanlosehmm one more question if i put a folder with programms in /usr/bin 4 example, there is no like in windows a path entry, why didtn it work for folders in bin ?07:25
cyber-hazardakrus: it might be a dependent of something else07:25
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akrusnah07:26
LjLDerPlanlose: eh?07:26
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akrus__main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version07:26
akruspost-intallation returned error code 107:26
DerPlanlosefor example /usr/bin/nefolder/programm    if i write programm in the bash i cant execute it07:26
cyber-hazardakrus: out of my knowledge of ubuntu for the moment, sorry :(07:26
LjLakrus: is that k3d?07:26
akrus> /var/cache/apt/archives/python-xlib_0.12-5.1ubuntu2_all.deb07:26
DerPlanloseonly if the programm directly is in the bin folder07:26
DerPlanloseor i have to cahcne directory first ;-(07:27
cyber-hazardDerPlanlose: unless you put /usr/bin/nefolder/programm into the path07:27
DerPlanloseyes but each new folder07:27
DerPlanlosei have to put in the path ??07:27
cyber-hazardtype $ export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/nefolder/programm07:27
cyber-hazardyeah07:27
DerPlanloseis there no better way ?07:27
LjLDerPlanlose: yes. but don't do that.07:27
LjLDerPlanlose: to start with, you should NEVER put stuff in /usr/bin manually.07:27
cyber-hazardthe path is how the OS knows where to find commands07:27
LjLuse /usr/local/bin, if anything07:27
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DerPlanloseis there no option for working with folders ? ;-P07:27
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LjLand if you want to organize programs by directories (i.e. everything related to a program in one directory), use /opt07:28
DerPlanloseif i use tools in the terminal i dont wann to switch directorys each time07:28
michaelpoit works!!! thanks... cd /media/cd MOBILE\ HD/   then wine startportableapps.exe07:28
DerPlanloseLjL and it works in opt that i could access the programm directly ?07:28
DerPlanlosesorry for my bad englisch , me is from germany07:28
DerPlanlose;-P07:29
K-Ryan!de07:29
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de07:29
K-RyanIf you want07:29
DerPlanlosenice07:29
DerPlanlose;-)07:29
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LjLDerPlanlose: no, not automatically. why don't you, for instance, just create symlinks in a directory that is in the path? still, anyway, you *should not ever* mess with /usr07:29
DerPlanloseohh sweet thank you ubotu ;-P07:30
LjLactually, you should never touch any directory except /home and /etc manually07:30
DerPlanlosehehe07:30
DerPlanloseLjL lol why this ?07:30
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LjLDerPlanlose: because /usr is under the control of APT, and it's not supposed to be messed with manually07:30
DerPlanlosei wondered first time i saw that all folders was hidden07:30
LjL /usr/local, on the other hand, is. and so is /opt07:30
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DerPlanlosemkay07:31
LjLDerPlanlose: yeah, that's as a way to discourage you from touching them. it was a failure anyway - but the fact that you shouldn't touch them remains07:31
bxnphi everybody i upgraded kde from 3.5.3 to 3.5.5 but now usb automounting is not working anymore anyone encountered this problem07:31
akrusnano /var/lib/dpkg/status and the problem is fixed xD07:32
DerPlanlosecould i put kubuntu on usb stick ? how much mb i need for ?07:32
LjLDerPlanlose: you can. how much space you need, depends...07:32
DerPlanlosewith minimal packets07:32
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DerPlanlosewithout open office07:32
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LjLat least about 400Mb, for a console-only install07:32
DerPlanlosejust with few tools *G* etwork tools07:33
DerPlanlosemediaplayer and so on07:33
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K-RyanKubuntu takes about 2GB for a normal install if I'm not mistaken07:33
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DerPlanloseno i wanna have kde ** i tried nubuntu.org but its too small *G*07:33
LjLDerPlanlose: then about 2GB or more, yes07:33
DerPlanlosewow07:33
cyber-hazardi wasn't given an option on configuring the install for kubuntu 6.1007:33
cyber-hazard:(07:33
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cyber-hazardhad to go and rip out a bunch of packages on my own after the install07:34
LjLakrus: i can't find that problem in python-xlib, however i was aware of a problem with the same error in k3d... you might still find some information in the bug report perhaps (and the related ones) - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+bug/6484807:34
K-Ryanthe barrage package is fun =)07:34
DerPlanloselol could anybody told me why its so difficult to install vlc in linux ? you need x libs to install all manually takes 30mins to isntall vlc ;-P07:34
LjLeh?07:35
LjLi type sudo apt-get install vlc to install vlc07:35
cyber-hazardhaha07:35
DerPlanloseyes if you wanna install vlc he need very much dependents07:35
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LjLyeah, it surely has dependencies. are you intending to use VLC without X?07:35
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Dr_willisive never had any issues installing vlc07:35
DerPlanlosehe mean he need this and this and in apt-manager it dont find vlc ???07:35
Dr_willis!info vlc07:36
ubotuvlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB07:36
Dr_willisits in 'universe' he needs that repo enabled.07:36
DerPlanloseyeah but then07:36
DerPlanlosei need soo much libs07:36
Dr_willisDerPlanlose,  so....07:36
DerPlanlosehmm weird07:36
bxnp!info libhal107:36
ubotulibhal1: Hardware Abstraction Layer - shared library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 157 kB, installed size 240 kB07:36
LjLDerPlanlose: you should have 'xlibs' and whatever already installed, unless for some reason you don't have X07:36
LjLDerPlanlose: what dependencies does it ask for, *exactly*?07:36
DerPlanloseno x it was about codecs and stuff like that07:36
DerPlanlosehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/vlc look here07:37
DerPlanloseall the files07:37
Dr_willisthe win32 codecs will help vlc play more files.07:37
LjLDerPlanlose: well, you said that... anyway, which dependencies?07:37
LjLDerPlanlose: no, not really - that's the *complete* list of the dependencies07:37
LjLi want to know which ones are being installed on *your* system07:37
DerPlanloseno i dont need all07:37
DerPlanlosebut about 20 ??07:37
LjLyeah. which ones?07:38
DerPlanlosedont remember exactly07:38
Dr_willisI would guess that most of them are allready installed.07:38
Dr_willis20 is rather... low actually . :)07:38
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DerPlanlosei wondersd why is dthere no package like in windows the setup exe wich installs all oine deb file or tar.gz07:38
LjLit would certainly need to install wx and gtk, if it's on a Kubuntu system07:38
LjLDerPlanlose: ...sorry again?07:38
LjLyou want something more *complicated*? suit yourself07:39
LjLi'm sure there's a binary on the VLC website07:39
DerPlanlosehehehe07:39
K-RyanHey guys, why is a nonfree package in Adept for download?07:39
DerPlanlosenow it works after 30mins istnall tiem07:39
Dr_willisWIndows isent Linux.. and Linux isent windows.07:39
DerPlanloseyeah and vista suckz07:39
DerPlanlose;-P07:39
Dr_willisthe idea of self installing .exe's leads to many many problems.07:39
LjLDerPlanlose, i really can't understand why you'd rather have something that you download from the web (and then hope it works) rather than just type "apt-get install vlc". it installs dependencies, sure, but that's because they're NEEDED07:39
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LjLit doesn't just installed them to make you wait07:40
Dr_willissuch as every .exe package including libs and stuff that you may allready have installed.. so you end up redownloading the same stuff over and over.07:40
DerPlanloseyes and i have installed them all manually ;-(07:40
LjLthese are the dependencies it should normally install on a Kubuntu system anyway - http://apt.byethost14.com/?repo=Edgy&arch=x86&package=vlc&have=kubuntu-desktop'07:40
LjLhttp://apt.byethost14.com/?repo=Edgy&arch=x86&package=vlc&have=kubuntu-desktop that is07:40
K-Ryan!bsdgames-nonfree07:40
ubotubsdgames-nonfree: rogue, the classic dungeon exploration game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.17-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 300 kB07:40
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LjLtotal size, 12 megs. obviously, that'll be mostly due to the GTK libraries i suppose07:40
K-RyanGuys, why would that be availible for download?07:40
paulcarpenterwhy is that such a problem?07:40
LjLDerPlanlose: manually..?07:41
LjLwhy manually?07:41
paulcarpenterthe multiverse is meant to have non-free pakages in it.07:41
K-RyanBut isn't that illegal? Downloading something that isn't free for free?07:41
DerPlanlosehrhr07:41
paulcarpenterno07:41
LjLUbotu, tell K-Ryan about free | K-Ryan, see the private message from Ubotu07:41
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LjL"non-free" doesn't mean "non gratis"07:41
DerPlanlosei have to go , thnak you guys for ya help07:41
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LjLDerPlanlose, come back when you want to get a clue how the packaging system works - i don't think you've quite got it. especially if you installed the VLC dependencies manually.07:42
Dr_willisits non-gpl07:42
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paulcarpenterDr_willis, non-free doesn't non gpl either07:43
paulcarpenter*doesn't mean07:43
Dr_willisits just a 'name' they used to catagorize things actually :) so ya could put ya porn in there too i guess!07:43
Dr_willis:)07:43
paulcarpenterlol07:43
K-RyanI don't get it07:44
Dr_willis gpl = free I guess.. all else thats not comercial goes in non-free ?07:44
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Dr_willisrest goes ... somewher.. heck i dont know. :)07:44
Dr_willisi enabled them all anyway07:44
K-Ryanwell if the package says -nonfree, I'm not allowed to download it, right?07:44
Dr_willisK-Ryan,  Incorrect07:44
paulcarpenteryou can have libre but not GPL07:44
K-RyanThat's what I wanted to know07:44
LjLpaulcarpenter: rougly speaking, something's defined as "free software" if you can modify the source and redistribute the (modified) source freely, as long as you don't touch the license. that's07:44
paulcarpenterI know07:44
Dr_willisits NON-free in the terms of the definition of whats called 'Free'07:44
LjL*very* roughly speaking (various distributions have different definitions of "free")07:45
K-RyanOkay okay07:45
K-RyanI don't have to pay anything for it, correct?07:45
Dr_willisJava was free to download.. but not 'free' untill recently.07:45
LjLK-Ryan: depends07:45
paulcarpenterbut you can do all that with lisences other than GPL.07:45
K-RyanI get the whole "free" thing, what I meant was price not actual freedom07:45
LjLK-Ryan: some stuff that is in multiverse is non-free in the sense that patent holders expect you to pay a patent fee07:45
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LjLthat applies in certain countries, and not in others07:45
K-RyanNot as black and white as I'd like it to be is it?07:46
LjLno07:46
paulcarpenterit's fairly black and white07:46
LjLnot really07:46
paulcarpenterbut with one other shade07:46
paulcarpenterso not completely07:46
LjLhow can you tell if a piece of software is "patented enough" to be called non-free? you just can't. it's a decision distributions make07:46
paulcarpenterusually, the manufacturer will tell you.07:47
LjLwhy?07:47
LjLthe manufacturer of *what*, specifically?07:47
LjLyou mean the guy who writes the program? he probably doesn't even *know*07:48
paulcarpenterhe should know what he wants people doing with his software07:48
paulcarpenterelse he wouldn't let it out.07:48
LjLpaulcarpenter: and? it's not in his powers to control other people's patents, or know what they are about07:48
Dr_willisisent this gettting into the arguments against 'software patents'07:48
LjLfor instance, it's well-known enough that the MP3 format is covered by patents. that's why the Ubuntu distribution doesn't ship it by default. but, what about a ton other formats and programs that *may or may not* be covered by other patents?07:49
Dr_willishe could write stuff that violates a patent he dosent even know about.07:49
LjLUbuntu simply assumes those patents aren't being enforced very actively07:49
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LjLassumption could be wrong07:49
paulcarpentertrue, true.07:49
Dr_willisactually gif is now free aint it?07:49
LjLDr_willis: he "could"? he does.07:49
LjLhappened before, will happen again07:49
LjLDr_willis: i think so07:49
LjLwe've got PNG now anyway07:50
Dr_willisI got to go to work... :) byeeeeeeee07:50
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cyber-hazardhmmm, i hate my office workstation07:51
LjLpaulcarpenter: if i write some open-source software to make flying pigs, i can't really be *expected* to know whether some of my algorithms were patented. i just can't, unless i spend a huge amount of money (and even then, i can't be sure). Ubuntu will just include it anyway, if there's no evidence of it being covered by patents... but if strong evidence later shows up, it's very probable that my software will be taken out and put into multiverse07:51
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K-RyanLjL you mean to say that if someone patents a line of code, nobody else can use that without their permission?07:54
K-RyanSomething as simple as a line of code?07:54
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K-RyanThat's like copyrighting the word "the"!07:54
paulcarpenterno, simpler than that.07:54
paulcarpenterthe algorithm used.07:54
paulcarpenterso really just an idea.07:54
paulcarpenterit can't be done by european law.07:55
K-RyanOk, I'll pretend I'm in Europe then if I ever take up coding =)07:55
K-Ryan!algorithm07:55
LjLK-Ryan: not at all, you can't patent something as trivial as one line of code. you can patent original ideas for how to do things, roughly speaking07:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about algorithm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:55
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LjLwhether the idea is original and conspicuous enough etc is up to 1) the patent office and 2) the judge, later to decide07:56
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LjL(the patent office usually grants just about anything in the US, though i guess not one single line of code perhaps)07:56
K-RyanSo if someone says "These couple lines of code should work" then they can try to get that patented? Those couple lines of code?07:56
paulcarpenternot really07:56
LjLK-Ryan: no07:56
K-RyanAlright, I get it then07:56
K-RyanExcept for one thing07:56
JuJuBeeI am running a tftp server on my laptop.  How do I make it so anthing that gets put into the trtproot folder is owned by me?07:56
K-RyanWhat's an algorithm?07:56
cyber-hazardhowever you can contest patents now, even while paying license fees and royalties :)07:56
paulcarpenterlook it up on wikipedia07:57
LjLK-Ryan: they must say "this couple of lines does something quite useful that nobody has ever thought of, or managed to implement succesfully, before"07:57
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paulcarpenterthe specific code is irrelevant07:57
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paulcarpenterit's what the code is doing that can be patented (in the US)07:57
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K-RyanSo if Code A draws a box, the box drawing is an algorithm?07:57
paulcarpenterurm, kind of.07:57
K-Ryanlol I'll check wikipedia ;)07:58
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paulcarpenterit'd be more analytical than that.07:58
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LjLK-Ryan: an algorithm is a series of unambiguous instructions that can be carried out by a machine, and that terminate.07:58
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LjLbut i'm sure wikipedia will have a better definition.07:58
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K-RyanKind of like a "When 1+x=2, execute this command, then when 1+x=2 is no longer true, terminate the command" ?07:59
aseigoLjL: the "by a machine" part isn't necessary07:59
paulcarpenterish07:59
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K-Ryanish? what have I got wrong?08:00
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K-RyanOh I get it08:00
LjLaseigo: i'm not sure. "if A tastes better than B, then go to line 1" doesn't sound like part of an algorithm to me08:00
K-Ryanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LampFlowchart.svg08:00
K-RyanLike that?08:00
paulcarpenterbut it definately is08:00
tobiis anyone running photoshop under UNIX ?08:00
LjLK-Ryan: no, the "terminate" part doesn't refer to that08:01
aseigoK-Ryan: that could be an algorithm, yes.. as long as it consists of a finite number of well-defined instructions that terminates in a known state ...08:01
binksLjL noi use the Gimp08:01
aseigotobi: disney?08:01
LjLK-Ryan: i meant that the entire procedure must come to an end (i.e. terminate) sooner or later08:01
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paulcarpenterK-Ryan, yes that is definately an algorithm.08:01
K-RyanI get it now08:01
LjLK-Ryan: an algorithm is a procedure that terminates <- that's the real definition. then look up "procedure" ;)08:01
mineur[afk] an algorithm doesn't have to end08:01
binksooops no i meant tobi i use the Gimp08:01
tobik08:01
binkswhy do u need photoshop08:02
LjLmineur[afk] : it most definitely does.08:02
tobijust because i was working with ps under my "old" windows system ...08:02
LjLmineur[afk] : "an algorithm is a procedure (a finite set of well-defined instructions) for accomplishing some task which, given an initial state, will terminate in a defined end-state."08:02
binkstobi check out Picasa08:02
LjL(wikipedia - but most if not all textbooks will agree)08:02
binksor Gimp if your a pro08:02
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tobithan Gimp ;-)08:02
tobithanks a lot08:02
cyber-hazardyeah, GIMP rocks08:03
paulcarpenterbinks, you don't need to be a pro to use GIMP, it's fairly easy.08:03
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cyber-hazardpaulcarpenter: it is easy, though it also has many advanced features for pros08:03
cyber-hazardsort of like photoshop :P08:03
paulcarpenteryeh.08:03
K-RyanSo, "If a car comes to a stop sign, stop, if there is no stop sign keep going." Yes?08:03
paulcarpenterKrita is also worth a look in.08:03
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paulcarpenterK-Ryan, no because that doesn't have a clear start state or end state08:04
LjLK-Ryan: that could be part of an algorithm. but it can be more complicated. for some procedures, we *don't know* whether they'll eventually terminate08:04
K-RyanStart state is "You're driving"08:04
K-RyanEnd state is "Keep driving"08:04
cyber-hazardso fsck can't run on LVMs, can it? or am I just completely inept this morning?08:04
K-RyanThat or end state could be "Car no longer drives"08:05
K-Ryanlol08:05
LjLactually, wheter any given procedure will terminate is an undecidable problem08:05
mineur[afk] K-Ryan: keep driving isn't a stable end state... end state could be, keep driving until it runs out of gas....08:05
K-RyanWell I'm assuming other algorithms would be in place as well08:05
K-RyanMine was a very simplified one08:05
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paulcarpenterafaik it is considered impossible to know for sure if any algorithm will terminate08:05
mineur[afk] but then we're at the scope of pre and post conditions....08:06
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mineur[afk] if some conditions are fulfilled when the algorithm start, it is guarenteed it will end...08:06
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cyber-hazardanyone know about those LVMs an fsck?08:06
K-RyanBut the algorithm would keep going until it ends?08:06
paulcarpenteryes08:06
LjLK-Ryan: this is an algorithm: 1) fill a cup with water 2) put it on the gas 3) put some salt in it 4) check if the water is boiling 5) if not, go back to 4 6) put pasta in the water 7) turn off the gas after 10 minutes08:07
binkspaulcarpenter i no u dont need to be a pro to use gimp but if your a pro then gimp is the only option in *nix08:07
mineur[afk] soundness, completeness, all pretty theoretical stuff :)08:07
paulcarpenterbinks, yeh, that works.08:07
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K-RyanThere's something wrong with your algorithm.08:07
LjLpossibly08:08
K-RyanWhat if the pasta doesn't cook in 10 minutes? And what if it cooks in 5 minutes? =P08:08
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cyber-hazardthen your algorithm is flawed :P08:08
mineur[afk] pre-condition: the pasta is cooked in 10 minuts :)08:08
LjLK-Ryan: you'll get over- or undercooked pasta. it's still an algorithm, but not too good :)08:08
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LjLanyway, a more major flaw is that i never mention turning the gas on08:08
K-RyanYes, but it won't perform as intended.08:08
jatoshey08:08
LjLthat would make the procedure never terminate - and thus not be strictly an algorithm08:08
LjLK-Ryan: depends what you "intend". it'll "cook the pasta", so if that was your purpose, it'll do08:09
K-RyanI understand, now I'm just teasing you =P08:09
mineur[afk] it does perform if you bring in the pre-condition that the paste used is pasta that needs exaclty ao minuts of cooking... :)08:09
LjLif the purpose was "cooking the pasta optimally", then it's not an algorithm for that08:09
LjLK-Ryan: no - they're perfectly valid objections08:09
jatoshey would I recover a deleted partition (I asked this yesterday and I was told Gparted could do it, but I can't find how to recover partitions with it)08:09
K-RyanSo hold on a second.08:09
LjL!testdisk | jatos08:09
ubotutestdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 459 kB, installed size 1232 kB08:09
cyber-hazardi think i'm in love with that bot08:10
LjLjatos: i don't think gparted is the best tool. if you didn't overwrite much of anything, careful use of fdisk would probably be better08:10
eimajenthatAfternoon all, having a curious issue.  I'm running Edgy Eft, Ubuntu and Kubuntu.  That is, I installed Ubuntu, then came to conclusion that I would prefer a KDE environment, and install Kubuntu-desktop.  However, I browse with Firefox.  Konqueror is nice, even superior in some ways, but I'm used to Firefox.  At any rate, since I had Ubuntu first, Firefox defaults to opening PDFs in Evince, media in Totem, etc.  Now that I'm using08:10
eimajenthatKDE, I was going to switch Firefox's default application choices, but they seem to have disappeared.  The only file extension I see to reassign is SDL (Shockwave something).  However, when I open media apps, they attempt to open themselves in the gnome apps still.  Anyone seen this before?08:10
LjLyou do have to know what you're doing08:10
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LjLan easy fix is probably uninstalling the gnome counterparts ;)08:11
jatosmind if I PM you LjL?08:11
LjLjatos: no, but i'll be out for dinner quite soon, and recovering a partition is no easy task08:11
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jatosI know...08:11
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K-Ryan1)Put cup of water on gas 2) turn on gas 3)leave water for 5 minutes 4)If water is not boiling go to 3   5)Pour pasta in water  6)Leave pasta for 2 minutes 7)Check pasta to see if it is cooked, if not go to 6   8)Turn off gas08:11
K-RyanI improved your algorithm =P08:12
LjLK-Ryan: better than mine, though depending on what you want, it could still be flawed08:12
K-RyanOf course08:12
K-RyanIt doesn't check the gas supply.08:12
LjLfor example, you might not want to waste time - or the 2-minutes accuracy for cooking might not be adequate. those are all requirements that have to be stated08:13
K-RyanSo a perfect algorithm would have to check for all...08:13
LjLthat, too08:13
K-RyanWhat's the word I'm looking for08:13
K-RyanAnything that would prevent the algorithm from continuing08:13
cyber-hazardpossibilities? realities?08:13
LjLexceptions?08:13
paulcarpenterconditions? variables?08:13
K-Ryanconditions works I guess08:13
cyber-hazardpigs?08:13
K-RyanAh ha!08:14
K-Ryanpigs!08:14
cyber-hazardi knew it08:14
K-RyanMuch better =)08:14
cyber-hazardalways gotta watch out for those volatile pig algorithms08:14
K-RyanSo I just learned a big part of coding right?08:15
K-RyanNot the actual commands, but the structure?08:15
cyber-hazarderrr08:15
cyber-hazardsorta08:15
cyber-hazardyour peeked into logical thinking08:15
cyber-hazardwhich could be a large part of the "idea" of coding if you learned more specifics08:16
tobiwhen i install the GIMP with Adept, is it better to install all plugins as well ?08:16
K-Ryantobi depends on what you want to do with it08:16
paulcarpenternot *all* the plugins.08:16
paulcarpenterI'd just get them as and when you want to use them.08:16
K-Ryancyber-hazard the algorithm thing is kind of like AI right?08:16
K-Ryanthat's what you meant by logical thinking?08:17
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tobithanks08:17
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cyber-hazardK-Ryan: programming in general is a very simple AI (abstractly, don't jump on me quite yet, programmers :P)08:17
cyber-hazardprogramming is telling something mechanical (usually computers, these days) to do something based on a series of conditions. in a sense, it "decides" "on it's own" based on what you told it previously08:18
cyber-hazardgoogle pseudocode standard08:18
cyber-hazardhas a lot of pseudocode information for you :)08:18
K-RyanIt isn't really deciding anything, it just does what it is told to do depending on what conditions are met, right?08:18
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cyber-hazardright08:18
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K-Ryan=)08:19
cyber-hazardbut it simulates a decision to the end user, who has no previous knowledge of your involvement with the machine08:19
K-RyanThat has nothing to do with the algorithm though =P08:20
cyber-hazardsure it does08:20
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K-RyanI don't see how08:20
cyber-hazardjust so happens that you wrote something that is more like directions for someone to cook. however a good algorith is complex enough that the object following the algorith can follow it with no intelligent thought on it's own08:20
K-RyanOf course08:21
K-RyanBut if I sat down and wrote out the whole algorithm that would take longer.08:21
cyber-hazardright08:21
K-RyanSo I cheated and pretended there were no variables.08:21
K-RyanThat's the word I was looking for before08:22
cyber-hazardeh, not really cheating, it was just a simple example :P08:22
cyber-hazardanyways, long overdue for a smoke break. be back in a few08:22
K-RyanBut if it were an algorithm that would be cheating because it doesn't take into account all other variables.08:22
K-RyanWell it just wouldn't work...08:22
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humeanyone here using a palm that can sync it with kpilot and korganizer in edgy? I have severe problems and have had so for months08:23
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fdovinghume:08:26
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jolHi, is there a way to install kubuntu in text mode ?08:26
fdovinghume: there is a bug report with links to working packages. hang on.08:26
K-Ryanjol, having trouble installing it graphically?08:26
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jolK-Ryan: the problem is that the portable is very slow08:27
jollow memory etc ...08:27
jolso I would like to install it in text mode08:28
fdovinghume: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/6631308:28
K-Ryanportable?08:28
jolsorry08:28
jollaptop08:28
jol;)08:28
K-RyanAh08:28
K-RyanAre you sure the laptop would be able to run it?08:28
jolI wish08:28
K-RyanOr is it just the whole running from a cd thing08:28
jolit is because the cdrom is slow, few memory ...08:29
jolhowever is it possible ?08:29
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K-RyanI don't know how but I'm sure there is08:29
K-Ryan!install08:29
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues08:29
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K-RyanTry those08:29
n0neheyal08:29
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n0nestupid question, but where is language config? :)08:29
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n0nei want to change cp-1251 to utf808:30
K-Ryansystem settings i believe08:30
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n0neyea thx alot08:30
n0ne)))))))))))))))))08:30
K-RyanNp08:31
n0neam i need to reboot to make settings work?08:31
K-RyanProbably08:31
n0neok thx08:31
K-RyanYour welcome08:31
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cyber-hazarddon't need to reboot, just restart your X session08:32
K-RyanAh, welcome back08:32
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cyber-hazardLinux: because rebooting is only for hardware changes :P08:32
K-RyanHe left already08:32
cyber-hazardthanks :)08:32
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cyber-hazardyeah, was just notifying you :)08:33
K-RyanThanks08:33
Alarmhello, how could i make kaffeine work as a tv tuner application ?08:33
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Alarmcant find anything as an option. does any lib or plugin to be installed ?08:33
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boss_78Hello08:34
cyber-hazardhey there, boss08:34
boss_78gow are you today?08:34
boss_78how are you?08:34
cyber-hazarddoing alright, yourself?08:34
boss_78to08:35
boss_78too08:35
K-Ryanso cyber the algorithm format is kind of like "start>if a is satisfied, move to b, if a isn't satisfied move to c>(insert long if lines)>end"08:35
cyber-hazardK-Ryan: algorithms are more of an idea. can have any form, from a math equation to a program. I think you're thinking of it too literally08:35
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K-RyanI understand the If stuff is different depending on the algorithms point, but isn't that how they would all work?08:36
cyber-hazardmore or less, yeah08:36
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K-RyanOkey dokey, now to find me one of those algorithm games...08:37
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stamenhi08:38
cyber-hazardhey there, stamen08:38
K-RyanHello08:38
stamenI have problem with my USB connection08:38
K-RyanWhat's on the other end?08:38
stamenNOKIA GSM with PC08:38
BroxtorI'm trying to mount an ext3 read/write for a normal user, but somehow I don't seem to succeed. My fstab line is: /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ext3 defaults,auto,rw 0 008:38
stamenit was working perfectly with the transfers of data08:39
cyber-hazardBroxtor: have you tried manually mounting?08:39
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Broxtorcyber-hazard: yes, but only with "sudo mount /dev/hdb1", so it uses fstab then, doesn't it?08:40
stamenbut now when I plug the cable, kubuntu recongnize the memory card as data storage, and when I start to copy my pictures in the08:40
boss_78join #driver08:40
stamenbox dialog on the speed bar there says Staleed08:40
stamenstalled08:40
cyber-hazardBroxtor: sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 should work manually. however that will disappear at next reboot, which is why you add to fstab.08:40
stamenand after a while the keybord and the mouse are blocked, and I have to reset the PC08:40
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boss_78#driver08:41
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cyber-hazardlet me look closer at the line your provided08:41
stamendid somebody has the same problem?08:41
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stamenor idea, what is happening???08:41
Broxtorcyber-hazard: just tried what you proposed. Still read-only to normal user08:41
cyber-hazardhmmm, think I was missing the point of your post. thought you couldn't get the fstab to mount at all.08:42
boss_78#savage_driver08:42
tobias_how do I set up XOrg properly?08:42
Broxtorcyber-hazard: that does work, but only read-only08:42
cyber-hazardah, okay, one sec08:42
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tobias_!XOrg08:43
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:43
cyber-hazardBroxtor: you need to add the group you want to be able to rw to the options part of the fstab08:44
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Broxtorcyber-hazard: should I just list the group name there?08:47
cyber-hazardthat's what my fstab has in it08:47
cyber-hazardBroxtor: have to admit though, I'm not an expert in the fstab area08:47
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ubu_re08:48
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hume_fdoving, thx08:49
melangeHmm - for some reason java fails with this error: http://bottiger.com/paste/Jfa1LHztKm1eRzCqBU7a . What does it mean? what do I do?08:50
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humei have a problem with knetworkmanager and kwallet: the passphrase to my WEP-encrypted wlan seems not to be stored in the wallet.... anyone knows about this?08:51
scifiis there a graphical FTP client already installed in kubuntu, or is there one i should install ?08:51
melangescifi: konqueror08:52
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cyber-hazardscifi: when I use graphical ftp (not often) there's a plugin for firefox that's pretty good.08:52
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cyber-hazardscifi: FireFTp is the name of the extension08:52
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scifimelange: really, sweet.........'konq' never ceases to amaze ^^ :)08:52
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cyber-hazardscifi konq does quite a few nifty things :)08:53
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scificyber-hazard: thnx for the firefox tip, but for the moment i dont see the point in using anything other than konq :)08:53
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paulcarpenteris it advisable for a someone who knows nothing about computers to risk using installing the Herd 2 CD?08:54
cyber-hazardpaulcarpenter: for someone who knows nothing about computers, I'd recommend OSX08:54
humeis there any alternative to using knetworkmanager to connect to an encrypted wlan? I do NOT travel between, wlans, this is a sofa laptop....08:54
paulcarpentero.k., I know enough that I'm managing the current release of kubuntu08:54
scifiso do i just basically type the ftp url in the address bar of konqueror ?08:55
cyber-hazardpaulcarpenter: i was just playing :P i personally love playing around with the latest and greatest, but I'd test it on non production box or something08:55
paulcarpenterI was wondering how significant the chances of the test realese buggering everything up are.08:55
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humescifi, yes08:55
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cyber-hazardpaulcarpenter: best thing I've ever done for my linux experimenting experience was going to find an old P133, picking up some ram for it, and using it as a sandbox sort of environment08:56
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paulcarpenterso best not to try it on the computer that I actually use reguarly then?08:56
cyber-hazardi wouldn't suggest it08:57
paulcarpentero.k, thanks.08:57
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cyber-hazardespecially if you're like me and just start messing with config files at random and no regard :P08:57
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cyber-hazardbut seriously, go to a local school and see if you can buy one of their machines that they're getting rid of. typically they just donate them or recycle them, so they'll be greatful for the money. and you get a machine that can usually do anything with linux for under $100 :)08:58
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jpiccoloUptime: 1 hours and 54 minutes08:59
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Wikipedia-Gast75hello lloyd08:59
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eimajenthathow do I make it so that /usr is NOT a hidden file in Konqueror?09:01
DelbertGradyhello lloyd09:01
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humeI have a problem with kwallet /knetworkmanager - kwallet seem NOT to store password between sessions - anyone recognizes this?09:08
cyber-hazardi actually had this issue the other day as well. I just resolved not to use kwallet anymore09:08
cyber-hazardnot a big fan of storing passwords anyways09:08
humecyber-hazard, well, here its a wep-key, 128 bit, a bit tooo long for my memory...09:09
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cyber-hazardah09:09
cyber-hazardhume: haven't checked it in Kubuntu yet, but KDE Control Center used to have a seperate section for wireless networks and you could store the wepkey in one of the network profiles09:10
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tobias_that was annoying09:11
simon__n09:11
narasim_7hello..the power management in display seciton of kdecontrol center always reverts back to  a setting of 30 minutes09:11
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tobias_XOrg setup crashed my machine while detecting the screen09:11
cyber-hazardtobias_: ouch, that sucks09:11
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cyber-hazardnarasim_7: for your laptop?09:12
tobias_now I know why wine wont work09:12
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humecyber-hazard, ok, seems to be here in kubuntu too, though I never used it, gonna try now09:12
narasim_7cyber-hazard: no mine is a dekstop09:12
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tobias_it found my integrated laptop screen card tho09:12
narasim_7cyber-hazard: i am using dapper drake now..09:12
FastFrenzyadios wrong chan09:12
tobias_only didnt find my screen09:12
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tobias_I can set it up manually?09:13
cyber-hazardhume: lemme know if that works. still haven't looked around too much in the Kubuntu control center. seems to be different though09:13
tobias_!XOrg09:13
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto09:13
cyber-hazardnarasim_7: no idea then, sorry. never really looked around power management on anything but laptops09:13
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narasim_7is there such a problem in edgy?09:13
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narasim_7its ok.. can u check that if u have edgy?09:14
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cyber-hazardnarasim_7: i am currently using edgy, yeah09:14
narasim_7cyber-hazard: do u have such a problem..?09:14
draremif i run an apache2 server on my installation along with mysql - would it and my intranet of windoze boxes behind the firewall be secure?  how paranoid do i need to be?09:14
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fxrhi can does the linux kernel headers be installed by default in kubuntu & xubuntu.. where can i find this info out?09:15
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cyber-hazardnarasim_7: i don't currently have any problems relating to pwoer management with my laptop09:15
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narasim_7cyber-hazard: great...that should do :)09:15
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narasim_7cyber-hazard: thanks a tonne09:15
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cyber-hazardnarasim_7: np :)09:15
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hattafxr, dpkg --get-selections | grep headers09:16
hattawill tell you whether it's installed or not09:16
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agnosticsomeone can  help with Grub error 2209:16
draremcan i disable the touchpad on my laptop without messing anything else up?  I'm using an external mouse09:17
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cyber-hazardagnostic: dual boot system?09:18
narasim_7agnostic: looks like you modified some partition in either windows or linux09:18
jontec*kid voice* how come we don't have the newer versions of apache? we only have 2.0.55?09:18
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agnosticyes, winme :( and kubuntu 5.1009:18
fxrok thanks hatta, but i wanna do a fresh install and the how-to (install a wireless nic) requires me to have the linux headers installed .. ll have no internet connection til i get the nic working... so i wanna make sure them headers are installed with my CD09:19
cyber-hazardagnostic: step 1> replace winme with something else09:19
draremjontec - I'm guessing cause it's at a stable release?09:19
cyber-hazardanything else09:19
agnostici have added a second HDD09:19
gkjonesis there a site that lists additional repositories for Adept manager please09:19
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jontecdrarem: but according to apache 2.3 something is a stable release?09:20
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dopeif i have a pen drive is there some sort of program i can put on it that'll store passwords and enter them automatically09:20
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dopemaybe i'm asking for too much09:20
cyber-hazarddope: I think kwallet does something close to that, not experienced with kwallet though09:20
daleghi all,  is thare any command-line torrent client supporting data encryptio?09:21
dopeyea exactly like that only with a pen drive so i can wonder to differen tcomputers09:21
cyber-hazarddope: I meant, I'm pretty sure that they have a function to store it on a pen drive09:21
jontecdrarem: sorry, not 2.3.* 2.2.3?09:21
dopeoh09:21
draremHave you done sudo apt-get update?  I really couldn't tell you, still learning this too.09:21
dopethat would be great too09:22
eimajenthatgkjones: here's some to start you off09:22
cyber-hazardjontec: just because there is a stable release from the manufacturer doesn't mean it's been completely tested for a distro. Debian/ubuntu is really careful with adding stuff to their repo's to make sure that they're stable and won't break things09:22
eimajenthatgkjones: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories09:22
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cyber-hazardjontec: can try unmasking the universe and multiverse repos to see if they're in there09:23
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jonteccyber-hazard: :D how? I only know how to add them to the lists in adept?09:23
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Zigmundciao a tutti09:24
cyber-hazardjontec: lemme try and remember real quick. new to kubuntu09:24
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jonteccyber-hazard: okay. :D09:24
eimajenthatgkjones: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/09:24
cyber-hazardjontec: /etc/apt/sources.list is the file you're looking for09:24
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marco_hi09:25
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cyber-hazardjontec: uncomment the repos. there's instructions in the comments for you in that file09:25
cyber-hazardhey, marco_09:25
jonteccyber-hazard: okay, if you know how to do it that way, that's okay with me09:25
gkjonesmagic09:25
BluesKaj!it  | Zigmund09:25
ubotuZigmund: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!09:25
agnosticif i reinstall Grub, error 22 will disappear?09:25
eimajenthatHow come when I go to / in Konqueror, all I see is "media" and "home"?09:25
cyber-hazardagnostic: it doesn't sound like a grub install error, more a config error. means it can't find a partition you specified09:26
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cyber-hazardeimajenthat: because the ubuntu developers decided that everything else is generally too dangerous for the average user to access normally09:26
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cyber-hazardeimajenthat: you can show hidden directories, or you can access the directories through command line09:27
jonteccyber-hazard: :D all of my repos are uncommented. O_o09:27
agnosticso must edit Grub conf file?09:27
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cyber-hazardagnostic: yes, I would09:27
Slackwiseeimajenthat: If you're curious, go read the file /.hidden09:27
SlackwiseSame file and concept used in MacOS X :P09:27
Slackwiseeimajenthat: If you want to see those files, just select "View" --> "Show Hidden Files" in Konqueror09:29
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DelbertGradyhello lloyd09:29
eimajenthatcyber-hazard: that seems kinda goofy to me09:30
DelbertGradyhello lloyd09:30
cyber-hazardeimajenthat: eh, i didn't notice for the first few days cause I don't usually use the GUI filebrowser :P09:30
andreaswhow can I make a pdf document from two .tif files really fast?09:30
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cyber-hazardeimajenthat: but yeah, threw me off as well09:31
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agnosticif i reinstall Grub, it do not configure properly by itself?09:31
DelbertGradyhello lloyd09:31
cyber-hazardagnostic: sec09:32
tobias_how do I find the refresh rate for my monitor? packard bells homepage wont tell me anything, and the list in the kubuntu help file had all the companies listed, except packard bell, am I wrong to assume that packard bell doesnt want anyone to know the refresh rate of my easynote m5 256?09:32
cyber-hazardagnostic: edit /boot/grub/grub.conf09:32
tobias_does this mean anything at all :"LCD 15.1" TFT XGA"?09:33
cyber-hazardagnostic: see if the pointers to the partitions look correct. if they don't, fix them09:33
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eimajenthatcyber-hazard: has it been like that since edgy was released?09:33
cyber-hazardtobias_: sorry, it's been a while since I've dealt with that. lemme see if I can dig something up real quick09:33
tobias_thanks cyber :)09:33
cyber-hazardeimajenthat: it's been like that the last few days since I've started using kubuntu :)09:33
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cyber-hazardtobias_: check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:34
DelbertGradycyber-hazard sucks09:34
cyber-hazardtobias_: there's some comments to help a bit, or google for a sample on, maybe09:35
eimajenthatcyber-hazard: I guess it doesn't make that much difference normally.  I just noticed it when I was trying to tell Firefox to use KDE apps to open stuff instead of Gnome ones09:35
tobias_oki thanki09:35
tobias_I googled a lot09:35
DelbertGradytobias sucks09:35
tobias_delbergrady rocks09:35
DelbertGradyyes09:35
tobias_:P09:35
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eimajenthatcyber-hazard: thanks for de-confusing me09:35
cyber-hazardeimajenthat: np :)09:36
DelbertGradyeimajenthat sucks09:36
DelbertGradycyber-hazard sucks09:36
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DelbertGradyflavio sucks09:36
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DelbertGradyfowlduck sucks09:36
cyber-hazard<3 ignore lists :)09:36
tobias_err, I think DelbertGrady is confusing this channel for some other channel09:36
tobias_lol09:36
DelbertGradywgy09:36
DelbertGradywhy09:36
fowlducklol09:36
fowlducknice09:36
fowlduckthanks09:36
DelbertGradyshoudl I konfuse it09:37
fowlduckDelbertGrady: any particular reason why I suck?09:37
fowlduckor are you just a troll?09:37
DelbertGradybecause you're gay09:37
cyber-hazardfowlduck: looks like a troll. just ignore him09:37
tobias_<3 ignore lists too09:37
fdovingDelbertGrady: please behave and keep on topic.09:37
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fowlduck!ops09:37
ubotuHelp! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO09:37
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fowlduckthanks09:37
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fdovingyou're welcome.09:38
cyber-hazardick, Javausers :P09:38
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cyber-hazardthanks, fdoving09:38
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boriedo u have a link for filesharing behind a NAT on Kubuntu ???09:39
boriesharing folders 192.168.1.x's PC i mean...09:40
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fowlduckborie: you ought to look into your router's NAT and port-forwarding functionality09:40
boriebetween computers  on my local network !  (sorry)09:40
fowlduckoh09:40
fowlducki dunno09:40
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cyber-hazardborie: all *nix computers? or mixed?09:41
trappistfowlduck: you're going to need to forward a range of ports, depending on the file sharing protocol (samba, nfs, etc.)09:41
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boriecyber-hazard> right now all are on kubuntu ( but some are with dual boot (XP) )09:41
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fowlducktrappist: yes, i was just giving general help09:42
cyber-hazardborie: would probably do it via nfs mounting09:42
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boriecyber-hazard>care i dont09:43
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trappistfowlduck: sorry, I meant to say that to borie :)09:43
elyonWhat is the app called that lets me change startup programs?09:43
fowlducktrappist: np :)09:43
borietrappist> wich one ??09:44
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agnosticwere can be found "grub.conf"  file in ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)?09:47
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cyber-hazardagnostic: try /boot/grub/menu.lst09:48
cyber-hazardagnostic: looks like a grub.conf, don't see an actual grub.conf on my machine though09:48
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elyonWhat is the app called that lets me change startup programs?09:51
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agnostica good manual for editing "menu.lst"  please09:57
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trappistagnostic: it's very well documented inside itself09:58
cyber-hazardagnostic: yeah, the comments inside the file are very helpful09:58
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vikalpoprosze do ubuntu .pl09:58
vikalubuntu.pl09:58
humecyber-hazard, seems to be working well..:)09:58
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cyber-hazardhume: excellent. glad it worked out for you :)09:59
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humecyber-hazard, thx for the advice..:)09:59
cyber-hazardhume: anytime. glad I can help :)09:59
vikal#ubuntu.pl09:59
vikaldzieki10:00
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apokryphoselyon: this is done through kcontrol10:01
apokryphosor Kubuntu's system settings10:01
apokryphos(in the menu)10:01
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cyber-hazardapokryphos: thanks for pointing that out. I've been scouring the internet looking :P10:02
apokryphosalmost all of KDE's standard settings are handled through there, yeah :)10:03
cyber-hazardapokryphos: yeah, just never used a distro that was so integrated with KDE before10:03
apokryphosintegration is goood, yup 8)10:04
agnosticso, at final,  to edit menu.lst according to "sudo fdisk -l"  ?10:04
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xenophile7x7hey, im not sure if this is offtopic or not, but im tryin to compare gnome and kde to decide which *buntu version to stay with. can anyone offer some suggestions or feedback?10:07
cyber-hazardagnostic: no, that actually only lists your partitions so that you know how to edit the menu.lst10:07
cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: since this is the kubuntu room, most people will prolly say KDE :)10:07
xenophile7x7lol, yeah i figured10:08
korielxenophile7x7: that's true10:08
cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: I'd recommend finding a livecd that has both on it, and play around, see which one you like10:08
xenophile7x7just hopin to get some pro's and con's10:08
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agnosticyes, that i was trying to say :)10:08
elyonI'm having a problem here (and have been for weeks).  My entire system locks up nearly every time a user logs off.  Black screen, only a mouse cursor showing.  Ctrl-Alt-F1, etc. do nothing.  I have a Radeon 9600 and am runny Kubuntu Edgy.10:08
cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: example: Pros: KDE pwns. Cons: there is none, cause it pwns10:08
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elyonxenophile7x7: Do you have Ubuntu installed already?10:08
xenophile7x7rofl, well that settles it i guess10:08
xenophile7x7yes. ive been bouncing between them for a few horus now, comparing10:09
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elyonxenophile7x7: You can run both KDE and gnome on the same machine and select which one you want when you login.10:09
elyonxenophile7x7: If you don't like gnome, simply logout (not restart), and select KDE.  Quick and easy way to compare and still have access to all your programs and files.10:10
cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: in the end, it really comes down to which you feel is more comfortable and which looks better to you. they can both run eachothers programs, and both accomplish pretty much the same functions10:10
cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: and both give you access to the terminal, which is the only important part anyways :P10:10
xenophile7x7true enough10:11
elyoncyber-hazard: Try telling my mother that.  She just wants to play solitaire ;)10:11
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DeadFishManelyon: Did you ever see an error message referring to ksmserver?10:11
xenophile7x7theres parts of both that i like and dislike.10:11
cyber-hazardelyon: in that case, definitely KDE. KPatience is the best solitare program ever! :P10:11
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elyonDeadFishMan: There haven't been any error messages.  But I have the same problem with gnome.10:11
elyoncyber-hazard: I'm playing KP right now, actually ;)10:11
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cyber-hazardelyon: haha, awesome10:12
xenophile7x7but im still new to linux, so i figured id get some other opinions.10:12
elyoncyber-hazard: Just wish it hand a few sounds for the card animations10:12
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elyonxenophile7x7: You know how to have both KDE and gnome at the same time?10:12
cyber-hazardelyon: yeah, I usually listen to my iPod, so i don't care that much10:12
xenophile7x7yeah10:12
DeadFishManelyon: I see... I started to have something similar, however this is a known bug on kubuns KDE10:12
DeadFishManelyon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/6788910:12
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elyonxenophile7x7: Alright.  I've found that gnome is a really easy way to transition from Windows, while for me KDE seems a bit quicker and more polished-looking.10:13
xenophile7x7do you guys knwo of any messengers, like kopete and gaim, that support vid/voice?10:13
DeadFishMani am waiting for the patch to make into the repositories for kubuntu dapper10:13
xenophile7x7kde seems to have alot more packaged with it10:13
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cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: kopete supports vid, not sure about voice. i usually use skype for voice though10:13
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elyonDeadFishMan: I'm not positive if the problems were present before installing KDE (since I did that pretty much right away).  Would that bug affect gnome sessions as well?10:14
xenophile7x7gnome has some neat tools, like the system monitor. havent found anything like that in KDE yet10:14
DeadFishMancyber-hazard: Skype for the KDE oriented person, Gizmo Project for the rest :P10:14
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elyonxenophile7x7: You can run gnome's system monitor in KDE too ;)10:14
cyber-hazardDeadFishMan: we're in a KDE oriented channel :P10:14
DeadFishManelyonI am not convinced that this is the same bug as it appears to be in Kubuntu s KDE implementation only and only shows up when one upgrades to KDE 3.5.510:14
xenophile7x7can it be installed in kde, without installing gnome?10:14
jatoshey10:15
xenophile7x7and can ekiga be used with skype?10:15
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elyonxenophile7x7: That I'm not sure about.  I'm pretty sure that you would need to install at least the gnome-base system (similar to requiring kde-base for KDE programs in Gnome)10:15
DeadFishManxenophile7x7: You can pretty much install anything on any desktop as long as the dependencies are installed with it10:15
cyber-hazardxenophile7x7: which apt-get takes care of for the most part10:15
DeadFishManxenophile7x7: which is, of course, a moot point on a Debina-derived distro :)10:16
DeadFishMan*Debian10:16
xenophile7x7ok.10:16
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elyonDeadFishMan: Yeah, I tried Mandriva and SUSE a while ago, but didn't like it nearly as much :)10:16
xenophile7x7lol, im sure there are similar apps i could find to do the same thign anyway10:16
cyber-hazardi love how kubuntu makes such a big deal everytime i run something as root. it's so cute how excited it gets. pop up warning, flashing box in the panel10:16
lupine_85hehe10:17
elyonxenophile7x7: There isn't much out there that anyone wants to do that hasn't already been coded :)10:17
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DeadFishMancyber-hazard: LOL10:17
xenophile7x7yeah, ive started to notice that10:17
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xenophile7x7i should have switched to linux a long time ago10:17
lupine_85xenophile7x7, elyon: can you write a decoder/encoder for SMV videos? *flutter flutter*10:17
tobi!divx10:17
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:17
lupine_85;)10:17
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cyber-hazardi come from a slackware and then gentoo background, so root isn't a huge deal to me.10:17
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elyonxenophile7x7: I'm a gamer... pretty tentative about installing my games with Wine.10:18
Shyneim confused - which dvd/cd do i need for intel 64bit ? i386 or amd6410:18
elyoncyber-hazard: Ahh... I'm a child of Microsoft (adopted now, of course)10:18
cyber-hazardelyon: wine rocks. though I've found crossover office actually does a bette job for me10:18
DeadFishMancyber-hazard: I also used to use hardcore distros, but even so, I do not like to logon as root unless really needed10:18
elyoncyber-hazard: Crossover isn't free, is it?10:18
xenophile7x7same here.  ive actually been thinkin that it may jus tbe easier to duel boot, or use vmware.  wine seems pretty touchy10:18
cyber-hazardelyon: wel yeah, I was MS before slack, and still use it occasionally10:18
cyber-hazardDeadFishMan: never log in as root, but when I run something as root, I'm not used to the fanfare10:19
jatoshey10:19
elyoncyber-hazard: I never paid for Windows.  Finally started feeling bad about it, so I went OSS ;)10:19
DeadFishMancyber-hazard: Still getting used to the whole sudo thing, though. I am not sure if I like it.10:19
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cyber-hazardthink I'm gonna right a script that shoots up fireworks everytime I type SU or sudo10:19
cyber-hazardDeadFishMan: i like the sudo thing, but not used to the "only sudo" thing10:19
DeadFishManROTFL10:19
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elyoncyber-hazard: For good measure, add a crowd shouting "YAY!"10:20
xenophile7x7have to pull the clip from monty python10:20
cyber-hazardelyon: yeah, crossover is $40 fore the real version. but for the linux community, I'm willing to pay a little extra10:20
xenophile7x7when they eat the minstrels10:20
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cyber-hazard$40 is nothing for the ability to not have to run windows at all :P10:20
magical_trevskyhi, does anyone know how (or whether it's possible) to make the application icons in my kde taskbar autohide themselves, since I have lots of applications with taskbar icons, and they fill up a lot of space!10:20
elyoncyber-hazard: What about Cedega?10:20
jatosI just recovered part recovered a partition using testdisk (after I accidently deleted my partition table...) and there two unrecovered partitons, anyone know how to recover the other 4 partitions that I have?10:20
DeadFishManWell... Gotta go now10:20
cyber-hazardelyon: haven't looked at Cedega too much. all I know is crossover has tested WoW extensively10:20
jatosthat I have unrecovered tgat is...10:20
DeadFishManSee you later guys!10:21
cyber-hazardDeadFishMan: later, man10:21
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elyonmagical_trevsky: Right click on the system tray handle, and choose Configure System Tray10:21
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xenophile7x7elyon: ever looked at rappelz? basically WoW but free10:21
magical_trevskyelyon, thanks :)10:21
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elyonxenophile7x7: I'm not a WoW fan.10:21
cyber-hazardokay, time for some more coffee and maybe a cigarette10:21
elyonxenophile7x7: I'm more of an FPS player.10:21
cyber-hazardbe back in a few10:21
xenophile7x7i just dont like it because i refuse to pay monthly for a game10:22
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xenophile7x7but i bounce around between fps, rts, and rappelz is my only mmo10:22
Shynewow is well worth the money if u play it at all often10:22
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xenophile7x7not to me10:22
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elyonShyne: I don't want any part of a game where the players have a *real* wedding in-game.10:23
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Shyne8.99 is 3 pints here and the wow subs lasts a lot longer10:23
Shyneand u dont have to be in the wedding10:23
Shynejust walk on by :P10:23
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root____hi10:23
elyonShyne: I'd end up trying to kill the bride, actually.10:23
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Shyneid sign a petition for same race pvp for that purpose10:24
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xenophile7x7'buy my paperweight. now continue to pay me almost its full price every month, for my permissin to use it as somethign other than a paperweight'10:24
xenophile7x7its a bit too MS'ish for me10:24
elyonxenophile7x7: Amen.10:24
Shynewtf10:24
Shynethat makes no sense10:24
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elyonxenophile7x7: Of course, if you want quality games, you have to go for Windows... sad, huh?10:24
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xenophile7x7yeah, thats a big part of why it too me so long to switch10:25
elyonYou know, I think I'm going to attempt installing CoD2 with Wine10:25
xenophile7x7then vista hit, and pushed me over the edge10:25
xenophile7x7is wine easy to work with? ive heard it can be really touchy on games10:25
elyonxenophile7x7: No clue... haven't tried it with many games lol10:26
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elyonxenophile7x7: I know its easy to use, though... install and forget it :)10:26
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xenophile7x7i might try it out then.  hopefully it will work with some of the less-commercial software i use, like rappelz10:26
elyonxenophile7x7: My absolute FAVORITE waste-of-time Windows game is impossible to play in Linux... because to login and launch the executable, you need ActiveX... grr.10:27
xenophile7x7whats that?10:27
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elyonxenophile7x7: GolfKing (golf.ijji.com)10:28
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xenophile7x7never played it. im not a big golf fan10:28
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xenophile7x7screw it, ive already started with KDE, so im just goign to stick toit10:29
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elyonxenophile7x7: Its one of those multiplayer, play4free games (same publisher as WarRock)10:29
xenophile7x7ahh, ok10:29
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elyonOkay... wish me luck on my CoD Wine install ;)... seems to be fine, but I haven't tried running it yet lol10:31
xenophile7x7good luck!10:31
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elyonAHH!  Well, that is stupid.  I can't even eject the first disc...10:32
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elyonCan someone help me here?  I can't eject my CD (either by pressing the open button, OR selecting 'Eject' in KDE)!10:33
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spitwisegot a paperclip?10:34
dvayanuhi. i know this is extremely dumb question but where can i find out what kernel options in boot command actually mean10:34
dvayanulike quiet10:34
spitwisedid you try typing eject in konsole?10:34
elyonspitwise: I could do that, but it seems like it may still be spinning.10:34
xenophile7x7reboot10:34
xenophile7x7or at least log out10:34
elyonspitwise: Yeah... it gives the all-helpful "eject: unmount of `/media/cdrom0' failed" error.10:35
elyonSeems a lot like the Windows "Fatal Error" message lol10:35
spitwiseya perhaps a reboot is in order.10:35
elyonspitwise: I'm in the middle of an installation from that CD... lol its asking for disc 210:35
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xenophile7x7alright guys, im gonna reformat. ill be back in a few. thanks for everyones help!10:38
spitwiseelyon: read the umount man page10:38
cyber-hazardon the way back in i got cornered :( turns out someone in the office had a birthday =\10:38
pip`hahaha10:38
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twosouls82hello there :)10:40
pip`ello10:40
elyontwosouls82: Hello to you, sir.10:40
pip`mate10:40
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cyber-hazardhehe10:42
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elyonokay... so with Wine at least, I can't install ANYTHING that is more than one CD10:45
twosouls82elyon, you can make an iso of the cds and then force a remount I guess10:45
pip`wow now thats wat i call 'hamstrung'10:45
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pip`uhh.. so i guess ..  Wine sux from the gettgo10:46
twosouls82no, that is not what I said10:47
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elyonWell, I guess I'm just being overly optimistic as it is... trying to play windows games.10:47
cyber-hazardelyon: always cedega or crossover :P10:48
elyonDoes K3B rip ISOs?10:48
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twosouls82elyon: dd does and cp does too, google "linux iso from cd"10:48
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twosouls82:\10:51
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phuxso nabernd10:52
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pip`lala10:55
elyonhehe, there's no progress display for dd?10:55
pip`isnt dd a backup program?10:56
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elyonpip`: I have no idea... but I'm using it to rip a CD to iso ;)10:56
cyber-hazardyeah, but also works for generating an iso10:57
pip`oh really10:57
cyber-hazardpip`: tar is also just a program designed to use with tapes :P10:57
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pip`sumone told me dd was too hard for noobs to try10:57
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pip`noobs like mee10:57
Alarmhello, when i open konsole it runs with the user alarm. how could i run konsole as a different user ?10:58
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elyonpip`: I'm as green as they get and it wasn't hard for me ;)10:58
cyber-hazardAlarm: konsole will run as whatever user you are logged on as10:58
pip`ohh really?10:58
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Alarmcyber-hazard,  and what happens if i want to run as a new user that i created ? in that case mythtv10:59
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elyonpip`: Nevermind... it gave me yet another extremely vague error.  I give up.10:59
pip`elyon, well yer prolly a smart noob, ima dumb noob10:59
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pip`haha oops sorry10:59
cyber-hazardAlarm: you can su <user>10:59
elyonlol you spoke too soon.10:59
Alarmok, thanks10:59
cyber-hazardAlarm: np :)11:00
pip`*huggies*11:00
phuxanyone lost settings in beryl?11:00
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omicron_hi there. which package do i need to install to get the kde header files?11:01
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jatosanyone know a Linux tool for looking at hard disk in Hex?11:05
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phuxanyone got an awnser?11:07
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kkosmophux11:07
kkosmoyou lost setting11:07
kkosmoin beryl11:07
kkosmo?11:07
phuxoh11:07
phuxthx11:07
phuxnt really11:07
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phuxberyl running11:07
kkosmook11:07
kkosmoand you lost settings11:07
phuxbut settings r unchanged every time11:07
kkosmoooo ok11:08
phuxi wanna change em11:08
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phuxhad it but beryl crashed so i had to remove them11:08
kkosmowhy it crashed11:09
kkosmoyou have low computer11:09
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phuxdon't know11:09
phux;)11:09
phuxnot really11:09
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phuxwill be enough11:10
kkosmowhat you11:10
kkosmotell me the info about your computer11:10
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phuxnv 6600gt, 2000+amd 512mb11:11
kkosmoand it crashed11:11
tobi[GdK-Warning **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap]  All my windows in "gxine" and "gimp" are black. any idea?11:11
kkosmoi have nv 440mx11:11
Wepwawethi... back to x86  from 64bit11:11
kkosmo256 mb ram11:11
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kkosmoand 2400 intel11:12
phuxso u run beryl?11:12
kkosmoyes11:12
phuxnp?11:12
kkosmono11:12
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phuxdon't think of hw probs11:12
kkosmonot super fast11:12
kkosmoyes11:12
kkosmobut is work good11:12
yelonekhi, i have a bit silly question11:12
kkosmoask11:12
yeloneki'm sharing a directory with kpf11:12
cyber-hazardtobi: that seems way over my head, man. sorry :(11:13
yelonekit says it's http server11:13
phuxit must have been the child in me playin with beryl settings11:13
phux2 quick11:13
yelonekhow do i connect to this server ?11:13
yelonekhttp://localhost/ ?11:13
yelonekit's listening on 800111:13
kkosmotry http://yourip11:13
kkosmoor localhost11:13
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tobicyber-hazard: way over your head, that means you have no idea ?11:13
cyber-hazardyelonek: probably. but if it's a httpd you might need to start the process11:13
yelonekso that's http://localhost/:8001 ?11:13
cyber-hazardtobi: yeah, sorry11:13
tobihmmm...11:14
tobidamn11:14
kkosmoyes11:14
cyber-hazardyelonek: would be http://localhost:800111:14
cyber-hazardyelonek: no slash after localhost11:14
elyonIs there a GUI program that will rip CDs to ISOs?11:14
cyber-hazardelyon: i don't know for linux11:14
yelonekcyber-hazard: thanks, I knew i was doing sth wrong, but didn't know what :)11:15
phuxkkosm: can change beryl as much as u like?11:15
cyber-hazardyelonek: np :)11:15
kkosmosure11:15
phuxf....11:15
kkosmowhat f...11:15
phuxdon't know the prob of my comp11:16
phuxrunning without any setting it is fast but furrious11:16
kkosmoits weak11:16
kkosmowithout the setting11:16
kkosmoits not fun11:16
phuxjop11:16
phuxthats what i meant11:17
phuxi just saw the  teeth of the monster but now i just dream of it11:17
lupine_85elyon: doesn't dd cut it for you?11:17
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kkosmoman i am not to expert in linux but you can try install your graphic card driver maybe its help11:18
kkosmotoo11:18
elyonlupine_85: Gave me a very vague error...11:18
kkosmo*11:18
phuxso i did twice11:18
kkosmoyou already install your graphic card driver11:18
kkosmo?11:18
elyon"I/O error" lol that's about it.11:18
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phuxy11:19
phuxlol11:19
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lupine_85mm, is it an audio cd?11:19
phuxsome conf won't be taken11:19
phuxbut thx so far11:20
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kkosmophux ok man i dont know what to tell you but now i go to learn i have tomorow a test in  biology so i go bye11:20
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phuxjop cu thy11:21
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yelonekcyber-hazard: what package do i need to set up smb server ?11:21
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yelonekI found smb4k and linneighbourhood11:22
cyber-hazardyelonek: not entirely sure. don't know how ubuntu organizes it's package manager yet (new to kubuntu)11:22
killerbeehello. I am having problems using fglrx (ati display drivers). They seem to run in failsafe kde but when I run regular kde they lock up11:23
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killerbeeany ideea what is a stable version of the drivers or what is causing this?11:23
yelonekall I'm finding is smb browsers11:23
yelonekI can't find anything to make a server11:23
tobicyber-hazard: maybe i found a solution for my "black-window-problem" but i have to reinstall gtk. in fact i'm a perfect newbie, is it riskfull to deinstall gtk ?11:23
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cyber-hazardyelonek: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=samba+server+howto&btnG=Search <- try that11:24
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fkrieghoffHello. :)11:24
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phuxoh..11:24
cyber-hazardtobi: my viewpoint is that no software change is ever irreversable. however my viewpoint has caused me a lot of work in the past. so it's really your decision11:24
cyber-hazardtobi: however, gtk isn't that big of a deal to uninstall and reinstall. just make sure you follow whatever solution you have to a T11:25
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tobicyber-hazard: we will see... whatever, thanks a lot11:26
cyber-hazardtobi: no problem. good luck :)11:26
yelonekthx cyber-hazard, it's not that urgent11:27
cyber-hazardyelonek: okay. well, goodluck on it when you decide to tackle it11:27
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sleepy495If Install a new video card do I have to install the same drivers I had before or no need since they are already installed11:28
fkrieghoffI can't select my microphone as the capturing device...There's no button or something to select a capturing at kmix...Could somebody help me out? :)11:28
cyber-hazardsleepy495: call me a gentoo user, but I'd recompile the drivers for optimisations anyways :)11:28
katabaticanybody got an idea why on my wired connection it won't get an IP automatically at boot, when I have network-manager installed? if I remove network-manager, it works fine11:29
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K-RyanHey everybody11:34
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KyralICMP ECHO11:35
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fkrieghoffHi K-Ryan..11:36
K-RyanHello =)11:36
fkrieghoffSorry...I'm just busy, googling about my little microphone-problem..11:37
K-RyanWhat's the problem?11:37
fkrieghoffGot some probs with activating full-duplex on my audigy sound card.11:38
K-RyanNo idea what full-duplex is, I figured you had some kind of recognization issue. Sorry I can't really help you on that one =P11:39
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K-Ryan!commonlisp11:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about commonlisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:45
K-Ryan!common lisp11:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about common lisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:45
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K-RyanHrmm, anyone know what Common Lisp is?11:46
cyber-hazard!common-lithp11:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about common-lithp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:46
spitwisehahahahaha11:46
K-Ryanlol...11:46
Kr4t05Ok, I have libxine-extracodecs and the latest amarok installed, and, it worked fine only two days ago, but all the sudden, amarok is now complaining about no MP3 support and when I press the button to install it, it hangs.11:46
K-RyanNo, I see a big section of programs for it in Adept Manager11:46
katabatic!lisp11:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:46
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K-RyanKr4t05 I get the same thing every once in a while, try a different station11:47
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Kr4t05K-Ryan: Station? I'm playing local files.11:47
K-RyanOh, thought you were off streaming radio11:47
K-RyanThat's what I use Amarok for and my friends do to so sorry.11:47
K-RyanI haven't tried opening mp3s in Amarok but I do know that XMMS works with them.11:48
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forceflow_hey, anyone interested in handing out kubuntu disks outside best buys, circuit city stores, etc, on the day of windows vista release?11:52
K-Ryan=D11:52
K-RyanI would SO do that11:52
forceflow_exactly!11:52
forceflow_im trying to get as many people as i can to do it11:52
dwidmanngive me the disks and I'd think about doing it in Charlottesville11:52
forceflow_maybe get some news coverage11:52
forceflow_i think it would be a party11:52
jamrsin regards to vista, has everyone seen this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt11:52
tek__dlaczego ni nie moge zapisac na HDD11:53
K-Ryanuhh, i see "test"11:53
K-RyanThat's it11:53
jamrswow11:53
jamrsit was just there an hour ago11:53
jamrshold on11:53
jamrshttp://antbeeb.members.beeb.net/vista_cost.html11:54
jamrstry that11:54
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MaxDamage``hey all11:55
MaxDamage``(yes, im here again to ask noob questions :P)11:55
K-RyanWow, just reading the section titles11:55
K-RyanI can't believe it11:55
MaxDamage``uh, adept keeps saying that there's another packaging program running and it cant work :/11:55
MaxDamage``whats up with that?11:55
dwidmannspeaking of vista cost, jamrs, are they any solid numbers on the up front $ Microshaft intend to ask for it?11:55
K-RyanMaxDamage`` did you terminate Adept?11:55
forceflow_yeah so 6.06 is available free: maybe we order a good number of those and hand them out:P11:56
K-RyanLike, was it not responding a while ago and you terminated it?11:56
forceflow_i dont know, it's an idea:) anyone who wants to show up, bring your laptop to show off if you want11:56
MaxDamage``terminate it.. as in shut it down?11:56
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dwidmann!adeptfix11:56
ubotuIf adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'11:56
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K-RyanTerminate it as in a little box came up where you could click "Terminate"11:56
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MaxDamage``thanks dwidmann and ubotu :p11:56
K-Ryanubotu is a bot11:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is a bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:57
MaxDamage``i know11:57
K-RyanJust making sure11:57
MaxDamage``but machines need love too :p11:57
K-Ryan=P11:57
cyber-hazardhaha11:57
cyber-hazard!machine-love11:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about machine-love - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:57
MaxDamage``hahahaha11:57
cyber-hazardevidently they don't11:57
K-Ryan!love11:57
ubotuLove is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.11:57
cyber-hazardhahahahahhaa11:57
K-RyanYou were saying?11:57
MaxDamage``uh yeah11:57
K-Ryanlmao11:57
MaxDamage``your right11:57
cyber-hazardfair enough11:57
dwidmann... ubotu must be crazy o.O11:57
K-Ryan... in love11:58
K-Ryan=)11:58
dwidmannbut we still love him/her/it11:58
cyber-hazardwish I would have talked to ubotu before falling for my ex. would have saved a lot of problems :P11:58
MaxDamage``well i luv him anyway11:58
MaxDamage``he helped me many times when i typed stuff with ! for help11:58
MaxDamage``it worked11:59
MaxDamage``thanks :)11:59
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forceflow_so yeah11:59
forceflow_anyone interested at all?11:59
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K-RyanNp11:59
K-Ryanforceflow_ I'd do it, when's Vista coming out?11:59
forceflow_jan 30th11:59
MaxDamage``*cough* vista?11:59
K-RyanI wouldn't get the cds in time =(11:59
forceflow_handing out kubuntu cds on the release date12:00
Zamber!DVI12:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about DVI - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:00
forceflow_im thinking about making them CDs on the spot using my laptop12:00
dwidmannforceflow, I wonder what it would take to get them to sell the disks on the shelf alongside M$? hmmm, offer them the disks for free perhaps, and tell them they can sell them for $5 each ... they could make good money that way.12:00
dwidmannFree money12:00
Kr4t05Does anyone else have a suggestion for my Amarok problem?12:00
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MaxDamage``Kr4t05: what's the problem?12:00
forceflow_yeah, they really could, the only problem is getting the disks out:P12:00
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K-Ryandwidmann Having them sell Kubuntu would completely defeat the purpose of FSF12:00
K-RyanAnd the Linux way12:01
dwidmannKr4t05: No idea, except perhaps dpkg --purge 'ing amarok, and reinstalling, and seeing if it takes12:01
MaxDamage``hey12:01
MaxDamage``sell is a strong word12:01
yuriyK-Ryan: nothing wrong with selling gpl software12:01
MaxDamage``and it's not that expensive12:01
MaxDamage``compared to unix or windows12:01
K-RyanI'm not saying it's not allowed, I'm saying it's wrong.12:01
MaxDamage``well yeah :/12:01
Kr4t05MaxDamage``: I have libxine-extracodecs and the latest amarak installed, yet it still complains about MP3 support. It worked yesterday, though.12:01
MaxDamage``but .. i saw it coming too12:01
Kr4t05amarok*12:01
MaxDamage``oh i had the same problem12:01
MaxDamage``and ran an update with adept12:02
cyber-hazardK-Ryan: a lot of people sell cd's of products. a lot of people want the comfort of having a cd, which most distro's don't provide. the minimal fee ($5) is usually to cover cost of media and handling12:02
MaxDamage``it all worked fine :)12:02
dwidmannWhen I say thety can sell them for $5, I'd rather they be there and get given out for free ... but giving them incentive to do so could go a long way.12:02
forceflow_my goal though is to offer it for free, so that people realize theyre paying money when they could get something better for free:P12:02
yuriynah people like to pay for packaging (as in a nice box), i don't see the problem with making a buck off that12:02
K-Ryancyber-hazard We're talking about Kubuntu cds though12:02
forceflow_packaging can add that touch though12:02
cyber-hazardK-Ryan: it doesn't matter. any linux can be sold for a few bucks. the world doesn't spin for free12:02
forceflow_well, technically, the world does spin for free12:03
dwidmannI wonder what they would do if I put a pile of them on the shelf next to "the other OS"12:03
K-RyanNo but they could order the CD for free12:03
forceflow_at least ive never payed that fee:P12:03
cyber-hazardK-Ryan: as long as they aren't selling it for $50 like Fry's is for Slackware =\12:03
K-RyanInstead of paying12:03
MaxDamage``cyber-hazard: nicely said :)12:03
yuriyYou didn't pay the spin the earth fee? OH NOOOO12:03
MaxDamage``oh my god12:03
MaxDamage``he didnt?!12:03
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cyber-hazardhaven't you guys seen the satellite photos of the "insert 25 cents here) machine?12:03
dwidmannOh noes, the earth might stop spinning now :O12:04
cyber-hazardthe world is like a giant bed found in the rent by the hour hotels12:04
MaxDamage``now we're all gonna blast to the east with a speed between 850 and 990 km/h12:04
yuriyi bet if you put a pile of kubuntu ship-it cd's in a store next to other software, if somebody actually looked they would ask "how much?"12:04
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sleepy495Question, if I upgrade my video card will I see a noticible difference in kubuntu, like speed, beryl graphics, etc? I'm upgrading from nvidia 5900 to nvidia 780012:05
K-RyanOf course12:05
Kr4t05sleepy495: Indeed.12:05
dwidmannI still really wonder what they would do if I put said pile of cds on the shelf. Would they remove them, throw them away, let people take them? I wonder what their take on it would be.12:05
cyber-hazardyuriy: of course they would. so make a couple bucks for your trouble, and distribute linux around the world :P12:05
K-Ryan(talking to yuriy)12:05
MaxDamage``sleepy495: yes :p12:05
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yuriysleepy495: do you notice beryl being slow now?12:05
sleepy495ok, thanks :)12:05
Kr4t05That's like trading in an '86 Chevelle for an '06 Corvette.12:05
MaxDamage``yeah12:05
sleepy495yeah its a little slow, but alot more apps are slow too12:05
Kr4t05You will notice it.12:05
MaxDamage``but nothing can beat the '69 charger ;)12:06
cyber-hazarddwidmann: if it's a small enough store prolly just put them out, just like they do AOL cd's, or fliers for clubs12:06
yuriysleepy495: i don't think you'd notice a difference unless you're playing games. that applies to any OS upgrading from a 5900 (except maybe vista)12:06
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dwidmannSmall store? No12:06
dwidmannI'm talking about a larger store12:06
rEvolution27how do i get amarok to play mp3s?12:06
yuriy!mp312:06
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:06
Kr4t05That's something for Canonical's promotion department to consider.12:06
forceflow_automatix2 might help:P12:07
Kr4t05Places like Walmart and Target would be great.12:07
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dwidmannI was thinking BestBuy12:07
sleepy495Can I just install my new card and start working or I have to re-install the drivers again?12:07
forceflow_that's where im going to be camping12:07
yuriyrEvolution27: basically, you need to install the libxine-extracodecs package12:07
Kr4t05The retail version sould come with a small sheet detailing what you would need to install as far as codecs and drivers.12:07
forceflow_best buy12:07
dwidmannsleepy495, should go seemlessly12:07
forceflow_until they probably kick me out for losing them business:P12:07
Kr4t05Although, that may be taken care of in Feisty.12:07
dwidmannI've switched from a 6600gt, to a 7600gt, to a 7900gtx without any driver issues12:08
MaxDamage``you know.. if im not sick tomorrow im gona make several copies and give em to my friends lol12:08
sleepy495cool12:08
cyber-hazardmy amarok asked, when I plugged in my iPod, if I wanted to install the mp3 codecs automatically12:08
cyber-hazardi said yes, it installed, and asked em to restart amarok12:08
cyber-hazardproblem solved12:08
cyber-hazardmaybe I'm just special :P12:08
forceflow_yeah, in the past week ive converted 3 friends to kubuntu:) all because i gave them free install disks to try12:08
Kr4t05I'm going to keep a CD rack in the back of my car full of K/X/Ubuntu CDs and other GNU stuff. When someone complains about Vista being over-inflated with spyware, I'll toss one at their head.12:09
forceflow_they all loved it12:09
dwidmannI'll be a mailing out a few disks tomorrow :)12:09
MaxDamage``lol12:09
MaxDamage``nice12:09
yuriyforceflow_: nice!12:09
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forceflow_:)12:09
MaxDamage``i think im gonna give some to the local software shop too12:09
forceflow_thank you, thank you12:09
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|Daisuke_Ido|forceflow_: it's amazing what an easy-to-use distro can achieve12:09
MaxDamage``here in my country12:09
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MaxDamage``if its cheap - people get it12:09
Kr4t05My future business will give the option of Ubuntu and Windows XP/Vista12:09
forceflow_it really is12:09
MaxDamage``and i have 25 - 30 cd's laying around doing nothing...12:10
Kr4t05With options for Dual-Boot12:10
MaxDamage``im gonna linux the hood12:10
MaxDamage``:D12:10
dwidmannI've got a dozen dvds left to waste, as well as a spindle of cds :)12:10
Kr4t05Shipit has offcially expired?12:10
dwidmannhas it?12:11
Kr4t05I thought it was supposed to be for LTS versions only, as of Dapper.12:11
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dwidmannKr4t05: that's what I thought too12:12
pip`me too12:12
K-RyanShipit is no more?12:12
pip`wats shipit12:13
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forceflow_wait, shipit died???12:13
K-RyanShipit is where you order your Ubuntu cds12:13
K-RyanHey, when is the next LTS release?12:14
Kr4t05K-Ryan: Feisty+112:14
pip`wat happend 2 shipit12:14
K-RyanAh so it isn't too far away12:14
K-RyanJust getting used to Dapper too...12:14
Kr4t057.10?12:14
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